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It's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria.

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Our top story this morning: Now that David Cameron has

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published his tax returns, pressure mounts on other senior

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Chancellor George Osborne may do so in the next few days.

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But is it enough to draw a line under the row

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about David Cameron's financial affairs?

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Also on the programme: Abused by Jimmy Savile.

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One woman and her partner tell us their story.

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He knew that I had been abused the years. We have our own little gang,

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your eyes go down to the floor, your body language of hold yourself, you

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are quite tense, and they know that. And an American mother says

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she faces deportation because her British husband of nine

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years earns less than ?18,600. We'll talk to her before

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the end of the programme. We're live until 11

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every weekday morning. Later in the programme we'll talk

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about a survey which suggests more than half of British Muslims think

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homosexuality should be illegal. The former head of the Equality

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and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips, says

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British Muslims are increasingly Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning. And if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. And don't forget if you've

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got a story you think we should be covering,

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do send it to us. Some of our best stories come

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from you, our viewers. The BBC has learned

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that the Chancellor, George Osborne, may publish his tax

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returns in the next few days. It comes as David Cameron will today

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face MPs for the first time since the leaking

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of the Panama Papers which exposed the extent to which offshore

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companies are used to hide money Mr Cameron will announce plans

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to create a new criminal offence committed by companies that fail

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to do enough to stop staff With us now is our political guru

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Norman Smith at Westminster. Norman, the politicians falling over

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themselves to publish their tax returns? The tax bandwagon is

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rolling, and it is picking up speed. We have already seen the Prime

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Minister Forster publishes tax returns, and now it seems the

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Chancellor is likely to do so within the next few days, although his

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aides stress that his tax affairs are simple.

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Ministers are demanding that all Cabinet Ministers disclose whether

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they have benefited from an offshore fund.

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How far should tax disclosure go? Should it go to journalists like you

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and me, too? Should we have today close our tax affairs? Some in

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Westminster are nervous that this is becoming far too all-encompassing,

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and that is the view of the Lib leader, Tim Farron. If we or issue

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our tax returns, I think if people did that, that is up to them, but I

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am worried that what you end up with is a witchhunt of individuals,

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rather than tackling the bigger picture, so what the Liberal

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Democrats want to see happen is a general anti-avoidance rule,

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something we push for in coalition. It is not what we needed. We will

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get more of this in the Commons when the Prime Minister will be making a

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statement about tax, but also taken Rhys Jones about his own personal

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tax affairs, and I am told he is quite willing to take quite detailed

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questions on his specific tax arrangements. ISA I have to say mine

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would be thunderously dull if I ever have published them!

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Over to the BBC Newsroom for more on that and a summary

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Maxine is in the newsroom. Good morning, everybody.

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The former defence secretary Liam Fox has called for those

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campaigning to leave the European Union to be allowed

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to include their views in the controversial EU referendum

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leaflet that's being mailed to households across the UK.

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The document, which will set out the Government's case

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for staying in the EU, is costing the taxpayer nine million

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pounds, and the first batches will be delivered to households

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MPs campaigning to leave are also expected to call in Parliament today

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for changes to the Finance Bill, to secure an extra ?9 million

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in funding for their campaign to compensate.

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More than 200,000 members of the public have signed a petition

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demanding the mailing is cancelled altogether.

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A deal that would safeguard the future of the Tata steelworks

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in Scunthorpe is expected to be signed today.

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It's thought the investment firm, Greybull Capital,

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will announce the sale, following nine months

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Also today, Tata is also expected to begin the formal

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process of selling the rest of its loss-making UK plants.

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If the Scunthorpe deal is approved, it will secure about 4,000 jobs.

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It is massive, and secures the future for Scunthorpe, our

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communities, the Scunthorpe workforce, we are talking up to

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40,000 jobs saved, a community that can carry on, the council still

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receiving their taxes to pay their workers, it is massive for the town.

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Around 7,000 pupils in Edinburgh will not be

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able to return to school from the holidays today

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because of concerns that school buildings may

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17 schools have been closed until further notice.

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It was checks at this school, Oxgang's Primary, on Friday,

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which led to concerns that there might be a wider problem.

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One official said that the standard of construction was completely

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That discovery means that there is concern about other

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schools built by the same company, Miller Construction, as part

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The lateness of the decision on Friday to the following Monday

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means alternative arrangements had not yet been put in place.

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We were told earlier in the week it would be open,

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and then to find out on Friday that it is not is a nightmare,

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because we don't have child-care options.

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My concern is if they move them to another school,

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Scotland's Education Secretary Angela Constance has now told

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councils across the country to carry out whatever checks they think

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are necessary to make sure that their schools are safe.

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This is a hugely embarrassing and difficult situation

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Apart from anything else it causes problems for pupils sitting exams

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The council's case simply that safety has to come first.

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Nearly a quarter of children referred to specialist mental health

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services in England are turned away, according to a report.

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The research also found wide variations in average waiting times

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for young people to receive treatment, ranging from

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It was produced by Centre Forum, an education

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The writer and convicted drug smuggler, Howard Marks,

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He came to prominence for his best-selling memoir

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It was published in 1996, a year after he was released

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He served seven years of a 25 year jail sentence for drugs offences.

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A petition urging the Home Office not to deport an American woman

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living in the UK has been signed by over 1,000 people.

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has been refused a visa because her British husband Dominic,

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a self-employed bike dealer, earns less than ?18,600 a year.

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The couple have a daughter, Madeleine, aged two.

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Mrs James said she has been ordered to leave by 16 April

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The Home Office says all applications are considered

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on individual merit, in line with immigration rules.

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And we'll be talking to the James family at about 10:40.

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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will pay their respects

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to the Indian republic's founding father, Mahatma Gandhi,

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when their tour of India and Bhutan takes them to New Delhi today.

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Yesterday they attended a glittering Bollywood gala dinner.

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Our Royal Correspondent Nicholas Witchell's report

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At a gala dinner organised by the British High Commission

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for Bollywood's stars and Indian business leaders, Williams spoke

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When Catherine and I were married, India was the first place

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on Catherine's list that she told me she wanted to visit.

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Two children and five years later, we have finally made it.

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They have come to India to experience something

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They have already seen one of the slum areas of Mumbai.

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Today they will see the other side of the city, the high-tech

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community which is a centre for young entrepreneurs.

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And then they will travel to New Delhi to lay a wreath

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at India's main war memorial, a reminder of Indian sacrifice

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There will be a visit to the home of India's founding father,

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Mahatma Gandhi, and a reception at the British High Commission.

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That reception in Delhi is to mark the Queen's 90th birthday,

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which falls on Thursday of next week.

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William is expected to make a speech, and pay tribute

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The global population of wild tigers has increased for the first time in

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more than a century. It is gone up to nearly 4000 today. The

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environmental organisation is attributing the rise to better

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conservation efforts in countries such as India and Russia. That is a

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summary of the latest BBC News. I will have more from you at half past

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nine. Now back to Joanna. In the next few minutes, we will hear Sam's

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story. She was abused by Jimmy Savile from the age of 11 to 14 of

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Stoke Mandeville Hospital. She lived with that abuse of years before

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coming forward after his death to report it. Now she says she is on a

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mission to have a voice of everyone who isn't strong enough to have

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their own voice. Do stay with us for that interview. But if you have your

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own experience of abuse, do get in touch with us. Now let's catch up

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with the sport. Olly Foster has news of those amazing scenes at Augusta

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with Danny Willett's win. Could not go to bed! I planned on

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going to bed early, but when Jordan Spieth started hitting it into the

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water, you had to wait to see what was going to happen. Danny Willett

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says he simply cannot believe that his name will now be on the roll of

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mock Masters champions. -- the roll call of Masters champions. Reigning

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champion Jordan Spieth blow up on the back nine, threw away a five

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shot lead, and will Danny Willett had nerves of steel. Adam Wilde

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reports. It is one of golf's

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most exclusive clubs. Danny Willett from Sheffield

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is now its newest member. In truth, few at

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Augusta expected it. The American Jordan Spieth led

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from start to finish last year. It seemed he was destined

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to do it again. Moving further and further ahead,

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surely no one could catch him. But a few were beginning

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to get close. Danny Willett was now

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leading the chase. Louis Oosthuizen's hole in one was

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perhaps the most remarkable shot. Cheers of delight, but soon stifled

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with gasps of disbelief. Jordan Spieth brought down to earth with a

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bump and then a splash, twice into the water at the 12th, his lead

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evaporated. COMMENTATOR: Jordan Spieth is

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sinking without trace at the Masters. This is extraordinary.

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Danny Willett just had to hold his nerve before heading back to the

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clubhouse for an anxious wait and a quick word with family back home.

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There was no need for any of them to worry. Jordan Spieth had no answer.

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I hope I have done them proud, and not just because of the golf, but

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because of the person I have become and what we're trying to do the

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game. I am sure they are back home now, maybe shedding a little tear.

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Just the second Englishman to where the famous green jacket, quite some

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souvenir to take home. Danny Willett was being faded at

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Augusta, his Peter was the toast on Twitter. He

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added his own unique take on what was happening... Here is one of them

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we can actually showed you... And here is one from the Prime

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Minister... The previous one from Sir Nick Faldo.

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Jordan Spieth had his Devon Loch moment last night. Leicester City

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fans will be keeping everything crossed they do not have theirs.

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Seven points clear at the top of the Premier League, five matches to

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play, winning 2-0 at Sunderland. Jamie Vardy scoring twice. Ten

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points clear for a couple of hours, closest challengers Spurs beat Man

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United 3-0 in the Late Kick Off. United's defeat mean Leicester are

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guaranteed Champions League football next season. Strange to say, they

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are going to be aiming a lot higher than that over the next few weeks. I

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will be back with the headlines after 9:30am and after 10am, we will

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hopefully chat to Danny Willett! Fabulous. I cannot wait and I am

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sure Green is his favourite colour. Yes, and it does not make you look

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fat at all. In the weeks after the death

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of Jimmy Savile - the nation was shocked by the horrific

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revelations of sexual abuse As momentum built, thousands

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of people came forward to report abuse they had

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suffered in the past - With the scale of the abuse

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apparent, questions were then asked about why none of this had been

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exposed during his life. Tonight in a documentary on the BBC,

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some of those people speak out about their abuse for the first

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time, and the impact that coming forward has had on them

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and their families. It was in secret, it was shame.

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Wasn't it? You were ashamed of it. It went through my mind, should I

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tell my wife? Do you know what happened? Not completely, no. You

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think, you have the marriage, the French, and all of a sudden there is

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this great big world that you did not know about. -- the friendship.

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For decades, there was a secret at the heart of British life. I don't

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think I told you for years. I know, and you still haven't told me fully

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and I don't want to have that in my head. It lay hidden in our biggest

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institutions... And with an ordinary family... She told me not to tell

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anybody. I wiped it... Wiped it from my memory entirely. For how long? 46

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years. But when the truth about one man was revealed... The nation was

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forced to examine its past... And the secret was out. I am not

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ashamed. This is my face. This is what I look like. I have done

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nothing wrong. These are the people who broke their silence and changed

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a nation. The documentary looks

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at the watershed moment created by Savile's death,

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and why so many people chose at that After Savile, the Crown Prosecution

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Service accepted mistakes had been made, and it was forced

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to change the way it dealt Tonight's documentary also

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follows the story of Katy, who says she was sexually abused

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when she was nine. Now an adult, she has pressed

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charges, and must go to court to be This is how she reacted.

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Nearly five years since first going to the police, Katie is going to be

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cross-examined by the defence who will challenge her version of

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events. I don't think anybody would relish or enjoy someone questioning

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their reliability, they are going to try and save the witnesses telling

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lies. I have got to go, goodbye. Goodbye, darling. We all love you.

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We love you. See you shortly. See you soon. I love you. It is the fear

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they have had all their lives that no one will believe them. It is

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playing to their biggest fears. You are going to be fine.

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She said that you grew ten feet. You did, you grew ten feet! What do

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victims say it is like? More often than not they say I will never do

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that again. Yes... The jury will deliver its verdict

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tomorrow. We can speak now to SAM Brown

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and her husband Jim who appear in tonight's documentary -

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Sam was abused by Jimmy Savile and reported him to the police

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after his death. Some of the details of this

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conversation will be upsetting and you may not want young children

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to hear everything we talk about. Thank you both somewhat coming in.

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You were abused by Jimmy Savile for several years. Yes. You did not talk

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about it for a long time. Take us back to how you first met him and

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what happened. I used to go to a chapel in Stoke Mandeville Hospital

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for evening mass on the Saturday night. And a couple of times a month

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he would be at chapel. I used to go into the presbytery room and collect

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the plate, the collection plate. While I was in there collecting my

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plate and waiting for the right time in the service, he used to do what

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he wanted to do with me while the door was open. While you could see

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the congregation. And that would last for as many minutes until the

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service was at the right time and I would go past the plate around, come

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back in, put the plate down and go and sit back in church. You were

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only actually alone with him for a matter of minutes. Yes, five minutes

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each time. And you and he were obviously very aware of other people

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out there. How did he behave? He was always very confident. I used to

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collect the plate, turn around and stand and look at everybody while

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mass was going on and on that time, I used to look at everybody and I

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used to shut down any of my feelings or anything that was going on while

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he would do what he wanted to do. Did he speak to you? No, he never

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really spoke to me. He would put his hands around my face and sometimes

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his fingers into my mouth which obviously would silence me. And...

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Make me realise that I had no choice. In what was happening. In

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all that time, he would do whatever he wanted to do with me with his

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hands. Do you feel he sort you out. Yes. It was clear to him... Because

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I already had had a lot of abuse, I knew, I think, that we all have a

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certain stance that we take, our body language is quite blatant to

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somebody who is an abuser. So we are kind of easy to pick, you know, we

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are eyes down, head down, closed... Show no emotion on an basis. -- on

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our faces. It is apparent to those who are good to see us. You had been

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abused by your grandfather. That is right. By the time Southall had got

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to me I was really well primed for that. I was an easy pick. For Jimmy

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Savile. That is a picture of you there as a child. We can just see

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it, if you look behind you. Look at yourself as a child. Yes... What did

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you think? Did you have a childhood? I did not. I spent my childhood

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hiding, scared of everything. I used to hide under cupboards, under

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tables, I could not have an education because I was too afraid

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of everything, life. I missed out on my childhood, an my whole life

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because I felt nothing. Everybody else remembers stuff about their

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childhood, I remember nothing other than pain. And sadness. And

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loneliness. And you couldn't put a voice to it? I did not have a voice.

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When you as a person... Or stripped and taken you have taken no voice. I

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was taught not to have a voice, I was taught not to show my emotions,

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I was taught not to trust anybody. My grandad was a policeman... Who

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did I go to? My grandad was my mother's father, could I go to my

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mum and tell her that her dad was abusing me, could I go to the

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police, he was a policeman. My teachers at school hurt me. When you

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say, they hurt you. Not sexually, but they would hit my head against a

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wall phone I could not remember tables, things like that... I

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suppose, for an adult to deal with the child who has nothing, no

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emotions, no reactions... Must be kind of hard for them. So nobody

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understands you. Because you are a nothing person, I was a nothing

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child. My mum always said I was a good child, a good, quiet child. I

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was a good, quiet child because I had frozen. You had a child when you

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were still a child, 15, you fell pregnant. She saved my life. I was

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in hospital with an overdose at 15 and that is how I found out I was

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pregnant with my eldest and she saved my life because I know I would

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not have been here. From 12, I tried to kill myself time and time again,

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put myself in situations that were sold dangerous so I did not have to

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get up and carry on. I did not want life. But at 15, I found out I was

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pregnant and I wanted life. That was the moment things changed. Yes, you

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did not ever expect to love a man but then Jim came into my life. It

:27:47.:27:53.

was funny, I did not even have them feelings for any man, ever, to be

:27:54.:27:59.

honest. But Jim was so kind, he worked for my mum and dad and he

:28:00.:28:03.

built a relationship with Gemma which... Because she was mine, she

:28:04.:28:08.

was just mine. But I watched him with her and... She was probably

:28:09.:28:19.

three... Five? Gradually, the two of you created a new life but inside

:28:20.:28:23.

you, your past was still there. You were coping. I had to cope, because

:28:24.:28:30.

I had a family, other people to look after. It is easy to look after

:28:31.:28:34.

other people, not to look after yourself. What happened when Jimmy

:28:35.:28:42.

Savile died, suddenly... I was in the gymnasium one day, because I had

:28:43.:28:46.

got really heavy covering myself with fat so that no one could say

:28:47.:28:50.

you look attractive or nice, my son help me with that, I went to the gym

:28:51.:28:55.

one day, and one of the trainers, and older guy, very white hair and a

:28:56.:29:01.

beard, he came in and put his arm on my shoulder and I could not move, I

:29:02.:29:06.

was on a machine. I could not move, I could not think, I felt like I

:29:07.:29:09.

could not breathe, I could not move from the treadmill and the other guy

:29:10.:29:17.

helped me off and because his picture was everywhere, it was in

:29:18.:29:21.

the paper, everyone was talking about it, I was walking past people

:29:22.:29:25.

in the street saying these are money diggers... They are making it up, it

:29:26.:29:33.

was so... There was no, for me, being able to lock things away, was

:29:34.:29:37.

the way I coped, being able to put it in a box and put it in a place,

:29:38.:29:43.

that was the way I could cope but I had no option because his image was

:29:44.:29:46.

everywhere and I could not cope and it stopped me living. I left the gym

:29:47.:29:52.

and I went to the police station and I spoke to the police about him and

:29:53.:29:57.

my grandfather. Because I was being crippled. And when did you first

:29:58.:30:05.

speak to gym about it? I cannot really remember, apparently I

:30:06.:30:10.

mentioned years ago... To be quite honest, we have never really had a

:30:11.:30:16.

conversation where she has talked. It's something in the back of my

:30:17.:30:20.

head, I know it has happened and we sort of tried to deal with it as a

:30:21.:30:28.

couple. There was no... I'd do not really want to know the ins and

:30:29.:30:32.

outs, I can imagine it, but I don't really want to be told, I don't

:30:33.:30:36.

think Sam personally wants to tell me either. But we tried to get, we

:30:37.:30:42.

go through day-to-day. As best we can. Is it hard for you,

:30:43.:30:50.

realising... You obviously knew that Sam had been through difficult

:30:51.:30:54.

times, was it hard for you to realise quite what she had been

:30:55.:31:00.

through? Yes, for a normal person, anyway, I don't mean that this

:31:01.:31:04.

respectfully, but for the person who hasn't been abused, they cannot

:31:05.:31:10.

imagine, you cannot imagine... I don't think you perceive it, the act

:31:11.:31:17.

of what it is. And I think that is where most of us struggle.

:31:18.:31:26.

Once you had had that conversation with the police, and words were

:31:27.:31:31.

coming out of your mouth that you had never voiced, did it then

:31:32.:31:36.

becomes easy to talk about it? It is way more easy to talk to a stranger,

:31:37.:31:41.

because I think my family and my friends and my husband, to give that

:31:42.:31:47.

pain to their heads isn't nice. How did you still yourself to do

:31:48.:32:08.

that? I have to... I know... I'm crying now, and I don't mean to cry,

:32:09.:32:12.

and I don't want to cry, but further this to be changed, for this to have

:32:13.:32:19.

the secrecy and the shame taken away from it, it needs to be spoken out

:32:20.:32:28.

loud, because why we are feeling our shame, and feeling... Being taught

:32:29.:32:34.

to say nothing, nothing is happening. Nobody wants to listen

:32:35.:32:39.

and nobody wants to listen because we are not being forceful enough

:32:40.:32:44.

with our choice of words. And I need to talk, because I don't want more

:32:45.:32:53.

people, adults, kids, anybody, having to find their way through

:32:54.:33:01.

life inside dead. I don't want that. You talk about shame, and everybody

:33:02.:33:06.

would say you should absolutely feel no shame. But you do. It is my

:33:07.:33:12.

shame, because why didn't I turn around and say, get off me, I don't

:33:13.:33:18.

like this? Why didn't I do that? Why didn't I say to somebody else, you

:33:19.:33:23.

need to help me, because this is not right? Therefore I have done

:33:24.:33:26.

something wrong, and that is what it feels like. Have you been able to

:33:27.:33:33.

overcome that? Yes. I know it is not my shame, but it still feels my

:33:34.:33:43.

shame. Have of your family been? Fantastic. I family are fantastic,

:33:44.:33:50.

but it wasn't until I enabled them to be fantastic, and that was really

:33:51.:33:55.

hard. Having to say to them, listen, I'm not having a good day, but women

:33:56.:34:02.

are strong, and men. To admit to somebody else that you are really

:34:03.:34:08.

having a hard time is hard, because it is weakness, because you are

:34:09.:34:14.

taught not to do it, it is so against... Me showing emotion is so

:34:15.:34:19.

against how I was brought up. I was brought up to show no emotion, not

:34:20.:34:26.

to be weak. This goes against every rule for me, this crying. But my

:34:27.:34:35.

family have been great, when I have been honest and said, I need help,

:34:36.:34:38.

I'm not having a great day, they have been there, but I didn't give

:34:39.:34:41.

them the opportunity years ago when I should have done to support me,

:34:42.:34:45.

because I couldn't find the right words to ask for that help. It is

:34:46.:34:56.

tricksy. Helen has texted to say, well done to this brave lady, it is

:34:57.:35:03.

wonderful to hear a strong voice for the victims, I myself have made lots

:35:04.:35:07.

of changes, keep up your strength. And an anonymous text, I was abused

:35:08.:35:11.

from the age of four by my stepfather for nine years, it never

:35:12.:35:15.

goes away, you have flashbacks, mental health issues and you

:35:16.:35:17.

generally don't feel worth anything all of your life. These men still

:35:18.:35:21.

think it doesn't matter, kids forget, but we don't. Esther says, a

:35:22.:35:26.

heartbreaking story, I can't imagine the bravery it takes to come forward

:35:27.:35:31.

and discuss sexual abuse. Linda says, absolutely heartbreaking, may

:35:32.:35:37.

he rot in hell, no forgiveness. When you see pictures of him now, how do

:35:38.:35:44.

you feel? I don't know. I try not to look, to be honest. When the report

:35:45.:35:48.

came out, I couldn't watch it when it was on the news, because half of

:35:49.:35:53.

it was yourself speaking, and the rest of the screen was filled with

:35:54.:36:01.

his picture, so... I don't like to look. I want to listen, but that is

:36:02.:36:14.

just too disgusting for me. Thank you for talking to us. We will be

:36:15.:36:19.

talking again after the news, and we will also be talking to other people

:36:20.:36:25.

who have been involved in the aftermath, the watershed ad is -- as

:36:26.:36:34.

it is being called, it came to prominence after his death, so do

:36:35.:36:35.

stay with us for that. Now let's catch up with the days

:36:36.:36:44.

news, Maxine is in the newsroom. Joanna, thank you for stop good

:36:45.:36:45.

morning. The BBC has learned

:36:46.:36:47.

that the Chancellor, George Osborne, may publish his tax returns

:36:48.:36:49.

in the next few days. It comes as David Cameron will today

:36:50.:36:51.

face MPs for the first time since the leaking of

:36:52.:36:54.

the Panama Papers which exposed the extent to which offshore

:36:55.:36:56.

companies are used to hide money Mr Cameron will announce plans

:36:57.:36:59.

to create a new criminal offence committed by companies that fail

:37:00.:37:13.

to do enough to stop staff helping Caesar's wife must be above

:37:14.:37:21.

suspicion, and if you are managing the countries affairs and voting on

:37:22.:37:26.

them, then the electorate want to know that you're doing it properly

:37:27.:37:30.

and appropriately. I think it is a pity we have lost privacy, but it is

:37:31.:37:33.

politicians' fault because we lost the trust of the public over the

:37:34.:37:34.

expenses affair. The former Defence Secretary Liam

:37:35.:37:37.

Fox has called for those campaigning to leave the European Union to be

:37:38.:37:40.

allowed to include their views in the controversial EU referendum

:37:41.:37:43.

leaflet that's being mailed The document, which will set out

:37:44.:37:45.

the Government's case for staying in the EU,

:37:46.:38:02.

is costing the taxpayer ?9 million and the first batches will be

:38:03.:38:05.

delivered to households MPs campaigning to leave are also

:38:06.:38:07.

expected to call in parliament today for changes to the Finance Bill,

:38:08.:38:11.

to secure an extra nine-million in funding for their

:38:12.:38:14.

campaign to compensate. More than 200,000 members

:38:15.:38:15.

of the public have signed a petition demanding the mailing

:38:16.:38:18.

is cancelled altogether. A deal that would safeguard

:38:19.:38:21.

the future of the Tata steelworks in Scunthorpe is expected

:38:22.:38:23.

to be signed today. It's thought the investment

:38:24.:38:25.

firm, Greybull Capital, will announce the sale,

:38:26.:38:27.

following nine months Also today, Tata is also

:38:28.:38:28.

expected to begin the formal process of selling the rest

:38:29.:38:32.

of its loss-making UK plants. If the Scunthorpe deal is approved,

:38:33.:38:36.

it will secure about 4,000 jobs. The global population of wild tigers

:38:37.:38:55.

has gone up from an estimated 3220 ten to nearly 4000 today. The

:38:56.:39:00.

environment organisation is attributing the rise to better

:39:01.:39:02.

conservation efforts in countries such as India and Russia. That is a

:39:03.:39:09.

summary of the latest BBC News. I will have more for you at ten. Now

:39:10.:39:12.

back to Joanna. Begu, Maxine. Let's catch up with

:39:13.:39:18.

the sport, and Olly Foster has the details. Sheffield's Danny Willett

:39:19.:39:25.

is the Masters champion. He finished three shots clear of his compatriot

:39:26.:39:29.

Lee Westwood, and is the first British player to win at Augusta in

:39:30.:39:34.

20 years. The reigning champion Jordan Speith throw away a five shot

:39:35.:39:38.

lead with nine to play. Leicester City are still seven points clear at

:39:39.:39:41.

the top of the Premier League after beating Sunderland 2-0. Jamie Vardy

:39:42.:39:46.

scored both goals. They are guaranteed Champions League football

:39:47.:39:49.

next season, because fifth placed Manchester United lost to Tottenham

:39:50.:39:54.

3-0. With five games to play, Spurs are still Leicester's nearest

:39:55.:39:59.

challengers. And it has been a great week for Rangers, after promotion to

:40:00.:40:03.

the Scottish Premiership yesterday they won the Challenge Cup against

:40:04.:40:07.

Peterhead 4-0. They face Celtic next weekend. I'm back after ten with

:40:08.:40:13.

that chat with Danny Willett's parents, I hope. Thank you very

:40:14.:40:20.

much, Olly Foster. Let's go back to our conversation about historical

:40:21.:40:23.

sex abuse and the watershed moment it created for victims of child

:40:24.:40:28.

sexual abuse. Jenna has e-mailed to say, I have never written to show

:40:29.:40:32.

before, but I felt I really wanted to say how amazing the lady is. Sam

:40:33.:40:37.

is it with this talking to us about her past. She wishes you all the

:40:38.:40:43.

best for the future. Sam and Jim still with us,.

:40:44.:40:57.

Also with us is Alison Levitt QC who worked for the Crown Prosecution

:40:58.:41:01.

Service at the time of Savile's death as well as Andy Connolly,

:41:02.:41:03.

a counsellor for survivors of sexual abuse, and Louise Exton

:41:04.:41:06.

The death of Jimmy Savile is being talked about as a watershed moment

:41:07.:41:10.

for people like you and others in encouraging people to come forward.

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Does it feel that way to you? The best thing to come out of him is the

:41:14.:41:20.

fact that there has been so many people have spoken out, asked for

:41:21.:41:26.

help and told their people they love, that is the positive out of

:41:27.:41:33.

all of this. Louise, when the allegations first started to emerge

:41:34.:41:35.

after the death of Jimmy Savile, what happened? Certainly far as the

:41:36.:41:44.

helpline at NSPCC, we saw a huge increase in contact from adults who

:41:45.:41:47.

wanted to talk about their experiences in childhood, many of

:41:48.:41:51.

whom had never had spoken to anybody about it, whether that was family or

:41:52.:41:54.

professionals, they had never told anybody. And it really enabled them

:41:55.:41:59.

to come forward and talk about what happened to them and start to deal

:42:00.:42:04.

with some of those feelings and understand that it wasn't their

:42:05.:42:06.

fault and they shouldn't be feeling ashamed for what happened. So much

:42:07.:42:10.

of what Sam has been saying there was echoed by the people that we

:42:11.:42:14.

spoke to at the time who had very similar feelings that they now felt

:42:15.:42:19.

able to come forward and talk about. Were you surprised that so mini

:42:20.:42:24.

people were coming forward? I don't know that we were surprised that

:42:25.:42:27.

there were so many people who had had those experiences. I think

:42:28.:42:32.

obviously the scale of what it unlocked was unexpected to us to

:42:33.:42:39.

some extent. The fact that that one moment was so significant in

:42:40.:42:43.

allowing people to come forward, I think was really important. Andy, it

:42:44.:42:48.

unlocked people's silence, didn't it? Or at least the silence for

:42:49.:42:52.

many. How does it impact on somebody when they have something they felt

:42:53.:42:58.

they could live with, but clearly it has caused them all sorts of issues,

:42:59.:43:04.

and then they have managed to finally speak out about it? I think

:43:05.:43:11.

it can be really devastating. Many people who've experienced abuse,

:43:12.:43:15.

their way of coping will be to kind of repress those memories or to put

:43:16.:43:18.

them at the back of their mind. And then we talk about triggers to

:43:19.:43:24.

disclosing, that often is with the death of the abuser or the break-up

:43:25.:43:28.

of a relationship or something like that, and in this case, I think many

:43:29.:43:34.

people were potentially triggered by something that was so outside of

:43:35.:43:39.

their control, it was really a massive thing, and it is a massive

:43:40.:43:43.

thing to come forward and talk about it, it is a very vulnerable position

:43:44.:43:50.

to be in. And the trigger fee was a traumatic one, when his picture was

:43:51.:43:54.

everywhere and people were talking about the same thing that happened

:43:55.:43:58.

to you. Had you fairly successfully been able to live with feelings in a

:43:59.:44:03.

box until then? Yes, I had. But everybody that knew me, I was really

:44:04.:44:09.

good at being a normal person, functioning well, but I did all of

:44:10.:44:16.

my functioning dead inside. Alison, after Jimmy Savile died, your job

:44:17.:44:22.

was to look at whether anyone had actually spoken out in his lifetime,

:44:23.:44:26.

and what happened if that had been the case. Tell us what you

:44:27.:44:31.

uncovered. We knew that there were four complaints made when he was

:44:32.:44:35.

still alive, and a decision had been made that there was insufficient

:44:36.:44:39.

evidence to prosecute him. I was asked to look at those decisions and

:44:40.:44:44.

see whether they were right or not. It took awhile. Those things had to

:44:45.:44:49.

be unpicked, but as I did so, I had a growing sense of horror, really,

:44:50.:44:54.

that I knew that the decisions were wrong, the complaints that had been

:44:55.:44:56.

made were obviously credible, but in the case of each of them, what each

:44:57.:45:01.

of them said was, I don't want to do this if it's just about me. And what

:45:02.:45:07.

undoubtably well-meaning police officers, and that in the way is the

:45:08.:45:12.

sadness of it, very well-meaning investigators took the decision not

:45:13.:45:15.

to tell them that there were others because of the risk of, I think,

:45:16.:45:20.

contaminating the evidence. And when I spoke to each of the victims

:45:21.:45:24.

after, as part of my investigation, each of them said to me, had they

:45:25.:45:28.

known there had been others, they might have been prepared, would have

:45:29.:45:33.

been prepared to support a prosecution, and I wanted to ask

:45:34.:45:37.

Sam, we have all been amazingly touched by listening to what she

:45:38.:45:42.

says, and very admiring of your ability to find your voice and say,

:45:43.:45:46.

I will not be silenced by this. If you had known when Jimmy Savile was

:45:47.:45:51.

alive that there were other victims who might have been prepared to say

:45:52.:45:54.

something, might it have made a difference to you? It would have

:45:55.:45:59.

made a massive difference to me. Because people in my position think

:46:00.:46:04.

it is just them. What you think might have happened? De think you

:46:05.:46:08.

might have said something? I do, yes, I do think I would have said

:46:09.:46:13.

something. I find that a terrible sadness, and it makes me angry, it

:46:14.:46:16.

makes me determined that we really have to do something about this and

:46:17.:46:21.

to help women like Sam, men as well, there are men out there who were

:46:22.:46:25.

abused, to find a voice and say that they will not be made to keep quiet.

:46:26.:46:30.

And your report did lead to an overhaul the way situations will be

:46:31.:46:37.

handled in the future? We saw a number of parallels, it wasn't just

:46:38.:46:41.

cases involving well-known people like Jimmy Savile, but there were

:46:42.:46:45.

similarities in the way for example the child grooming cases in Rochdale

:46:46.:46:49.

and Rotherham, similar sorts of issues had arisen there. Where for

:46:50.:46:53.

example, the police would rather than looking at the credibility of

:46:54.:46:57.

the complaint that was being made, they were looking at the character

:46:58.:47:00.

of the person making it and if they thought that person is not going to

:47:01.:47:05.

be very believable, they have been drinking, they have been taking

:47:06.:47:10.

drugs, they have been children in dare, they have been truanting.

:47:11.:47:15.

There is another issue about repeat victimisation and Sam touched on

:47:16.:47:18.

this. We know through research that people who are victims of sexual

:47:19.:47:22.

abuse are likely to have been victims on repeat occasions. And

:47:23.:47:26.

yet, many people think that common sense says, "Oh well, if you have

:47:27.:47:30.

made a complaint before and it wasn't taken forward, it means you

:47:31.:47:35.

are lying. Lightening doesn't strike twice." That's a myth that the

:47:36.:47:40.

Criminal Justice System are trying to eradicate from our thinking. Do

:47:41.:47:43.

you think the conspiracy of silence ends because of what has happened

:47:44.:47:47.

here, people speaking out and it will lead to a child potentially

:47:48.:47:51.

like Sam, who thought she was the only person out there, realising, it

:47:52.:47:58.

is something that's out there. Do things change materially going

:47:59.:48:01.

forward? I wouldn't say that things changed that significantly. I mean,

:48:02.:48:05.

they have improved, but talking about the myths around sexual abuse

:48:06.:48:10.

and rape, at Survivors UK we work with male victims of sexual abuse

:48:11.:48:15.

and sexual violence and there are so many myths that go around that

:48:16.:48:18.

people really invest in and believe in, things like that, you know, this

:48:19.:48:22.

doesn't happen to men at all first of all or that men can take care of

:48:23.:48:26.

themselves, men can protect themselves and that can really get

:48:27.:48:32.

internalised by the survivors, why wasn't I able to protect myself? Why

:48:33.:48:37.

wasn't I able to stop this? A common myth that arises this relation to

:48:38.:48:41.

trials of these things, if the victim has no injuries then members

:48:42.:48:45.

of the public, who have never been in this situation which may include

:48:46.:48:50.

jurors would say, "If someone attacked me like this, I would have

:48:51.:48:56.

fought back." What they don't realise the freeze response may set

:48:57.:49:00.

in and you maybe incapable of fighting back. Jurors may say,

:49:01.:49:04.

"Well, if you have got no injuries, that must mean you are not a genuine

:49:05.:49:08.

victim." That's an example of a myth. It is difficult for men who

:49:09.:49:12.

will have the same freeze response in certain situations to try and

:49:13.:49:15.

explain why they don't have injuries. So many people getting in

:49:16.:49:19.

touch with messages directly for you, Sam. Ah, thank you. Dawn says,

:49:20.:49:26.

"I cannot put into words how powerfully the broadcast on Savile

:49:27.:49:32.

abuse reached me. I was abused by a local celebrity. One of the issues I

:49:33.:49:37.

have not been able to deal with is the treatment by the police. People

:49:38.:49:40.

should speak out about this. I would, if given the chance." Gary

:49:41.:49:46.

tweeted, "Such power words from the guests on your show." LJ Hunter,

:49:47.:49:53.

"How brave is Sam's story? It is a process to talk to counsellors."

:49:54.:49:57.

Dougie says, "What a brave lady to come on and tell her story.

:49:58.:50:02.

Hopefully she will inspire others to do like wise and step out of the

:50:03.:50:07.

shadow." Another viewer says, "Tell Sam what a brave lady. The thoughts

:50:08.:50:11.

are with her and her family. Well done, Sam. You are truly amazing."

:50:12.:50:16.

Donald says, "This woman is so brave. Everything is true including

:50:17.:50:20.

the self inflicted shame that never goes away." Thank you for coming in

:50:21.:50:22.

and talking to us. Abused, the Untold Story

:50:23.:50:27.

is on BBC One tonight at 8.30pm. Still to come: Last year the odds

:50:28.:50:29.

on Leicester City winning Now they're just three wins away

:50:30.:50:35.

from the top of the league. We'll hear from two fans who have

:50:36.:50:41.

been keeping video diaries about their club's remarkable

:50:42.:50:43.

turnaround. Who are the celebrity couple

:50:44.:50:48.

who have taken out an injunction They've been named in Scotland,

:50:49.:50:52.

but pressure mounts on the pair for the ban to be lifted

:50:53.:50:59.

across the whole of the UK. One MP may name the celebrity today,

:51:00.:51:01.

we will bring you what we can. David Cameron has endured one

:51:02.:51:14.

of his most challenging weeks - culminating in him becoming

:51:15.:51:16.

the first British Prime Minister ever to make public his tax returns

:51:17.:51:18.

for the last six years. The Chancellor George Osborne

:51:19.:51:24.

is likely, the BBC has learned, to follow his example and publish

:51:25.:51:27.

details of his own. Despite Mr Cameron's unprecedented

:51:28.:51:29.

move, critics are now asking about the specifics of the return

:51:30.:51:33.

including a gift from his Today he'll appear before MPs

:51:34.:51:36.

to propose toughening up the rules on companies that help

:51:37.:51:39.

clients evade tax. He'll hope it could draw a line

:51:40.:51:43.

under the row, but will it? Joining us now are two members

:51:44.:51:46.

of the Treasury Select Committee. The Labour MP Wes Streeting,

:51:47.:51:49.

who thinks Mr Cameron has more questions to answer,

:51:50.:51:52.

and Conservative MP Mark Garnier So Wes Streeting, where are you now

:51:53.:52:03.

having seen everything unfold as it has and David Cameron's tax returns

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out there? Well, you think David Cameron's reputation has taken a

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battering in the last week and probably frustratingly for the Prime

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Minister and some of the people around him, the issues being made

:52:15.:52:19.

were not so much by the content of his own tax arrangements but by his

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chiviness in refuse to go answer initially at all any questions about

:52:25.:52:27.

his tax affairs and over the course of the week gradually having the

:52:28.:52:30.

information dragged out of him and I think what we need to see today he

:52:31.:52:33.

is doing a statement to the House of Commons this afternoon, I think to

:52:34.:52:38.

rebuild his own credibility, some concrete proposals to tackle, not

:52:39.:52:42.

just illegal tax evasion, which still takes place and is illegal,

:52:43.:52:47.

but also aggressive tax avoidance which David Cameron himself argued

:52:48.:52:51.

is immoral, but legal and I think that there is action the Government

:52:52.:52:55.

can take, not just domestically, but internationally. So I'm calling on

:52:56.:52:58.

David Cameron to make sure the issue of tax havens for example is on the

:52:59.:53:02.

agenda of his own anticorruption summit next month so the public can

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have confidence when David Cameron says that this sort of action is

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immoral that he is going to take action to effectively tackling it.

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Mark, where do you stand on this? Well, I certainly think I would

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agree with David Cameron himself that he probably has no career in

:53:19.:53:23.

public relations and media handling after he stops being Prime Minister.

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The problem with this is the whole debate has sort of spun into some

:53:28.:53:32.

sort of furious tornado of confusion. Wes is right, we need to

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bear down on aggressive tax evasion or tax avoidance because it is where

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you use the letter of the law to avoid the spirit of the law, what

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David Cameron has done in terms of investing into the off-shore

:53:49.:53:51.

investment trusts and unit trusts is actually no different than probably

:53:52.:53:55.

everybody who has a pension scheme does in this country where they will

:53:56.:53:58.

probably benefit by the pension scheme making investments into these

:53:59.:54:03.

funds which are legal. This is what we need to get clear. Wes Streeting?

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One of the issue we have got around tax havens is they are used by

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wealthy individuals and multinational corporations to manage

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their own tax arrangements in ways that minimises their tax leuct and

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that's not just having an impact on the UK, whereas we know, public

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finances are tight. We could do with that money, it is also having a

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really significant impact on developing countries and I think I

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saw a report that said something like $170 billion worth of money is

:54:31.:54:36.

sitting in tax havens that probably should have been paid to developing

:54:37.:54:39.

countries and when you think about how much this country for example

:54:40.:54:43.

commits to those countries through oversea aid budgets and

:54:44.:54:46.

international development, I think we would all agree that the

:54:47.:54:49.

objective of development is to try and make sure that these countries

:54:50.:54:53.

can stand on their own two feet and if we allow wealthy individuals and

:54:54.:54:58.

corporations to avoid their tax liabilities, not just to this

:54:59.:55:00.

country, but to developing countries, it has a detrimental

:55:01.:55:06.

impact and somehow, you know, ordinary taxpayers in this country

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who don't have the luxury of determining how much tax they pay

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end up footing the bill. Wes that's not true. The problem is and I agree

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a lot of what you said. Again, we are confusing three points. The

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first is this secrecy bit which is illegal. We are trying to clamp down

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on secrecy, that's right. The second point you made is about corporation

:55:32.:55:34.

tax and Britain is leading the way in trying to deal with the

:55:35.:55:39.

corporation tax with the base erosion and payment shifting

:55:40.:55:41.

investigations of which we are the chair of that with 90 countries

:55:42.:55:45.

around the world. The third part is this whole business of tax planning

:55:46.:55:49.

and tax planning is what everybody who uses an Isa or a pension or

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anything else does and actually the reason we have the investment trusts

:55:53.:55:58.

and unit trusts and you know and if you look at I shares, the tradable

:55:59.:56:04.

funds listed on the London Stock Exchange they are domiciled in

:56:05.:56:07.

Dublin which is a tax haven and the reason we have these collective

:56:08.:56:10.

investment schemes in these tax havens is so we don't introduce an

:56:11.:56:15.

extra layer of tax which would prohibit people from investing in

:56:16.:56:19.

them which would therefore prohibit this money going into things like

:56:20.:56:21.

British businesses and British industry where they create millions

:56:22.:56:26.

of jobs and those jobs and those activities in turn generate huge

:56:27.:56:30.

amounts of tax receipts. I want to get the thoughts from both of you on

:56:31.:56:35.

the publication of tax returns. David Cameron is doing it. Nigel

:56:36.:56:38.

Farage is the only party leader who said he won't. What do you think? Is

:56:39.:56:44.

it a good thing? Should it end up with all MPs publishing their tax

:56:45.:56:48.

returns as Jacobries mooing indicated this morning? -- Jacob

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Rhys Mogg? I'm not sure that people will get what they want through the

:56:56.:56:58.

publication of tax returns because tax returns tell you a certain

:56:59.:57:02.

amount about people's tax affairs, particularly how much tax they're

:57:03.:57:05.

paying in any given year. What it doesn't do is give you a complete

:57:06.:57:09.

picture about how people are managing their tax affairs overall.

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On illegal tax evasion for example, that wouldn't show up by definition

:57:14.:57:18.

on the tax returns. So I think where I'd like to see the debate really

:57:19.:57:27.

concentrated is on how we tackle the thorny issue of tax reform.

:57:28.:57:31.

Successive governments tried to wrestle with this. We are better off

:57:32.:57:36.

thinking about how we fix the system rather than publishing MPs tax

:57:37.:57:39.

returns is going to make a difference. Mark, your thoughts on

:57:40.:57:45.

the publishing the tax returns? Unless you publish the tax returns

:57:46.:57:49.

of the family as well, you are not going to get a full picture. There

:57:50.:57:56.

is a more important point. Is that actually if you treat members of

:57:57.:57:58.

Parliament different from everybody else who have a right to tax

:57:59.:58:02.

privacy, you're putting members of Parliament, if you like, on the

:58:03.:58:06.

naughty stair. We want more people to come into politics. Wet want to

:58:07.:58:09.

encourage good, honest, deisn't people to come into politics and if

:58:10.:58:13.

we send a message to those people who are thinking about it that

:58:14.:58:18.

actually you're regarded as a lower level of humanity that can't be

:58:19.:58:21.

trusted, then we're going to be driving away really good people and

:58:22.:58:25.

this is something we have to be very, very careful of. Thank you.

:58:26.:58:30.

Steel workers in Scunthorpe are hoping a new deal

:58:31.:58:32.

Now the latest weather update with Alex. Thank you very much, Joanna.

:58:33.:58:48.

There is plenty going on with the weather at the moment. Certainly

:58:49.:58:51.

some sunshine around yesterday, but as well as that, there were stormy

:58:52.:58:55.

conditions to be had across the far south-west of England. Some problems

:58:56.:58:59.

across Devon and Cornwall. Strong winds and unusually strong for the

:59:00.:59:03.

time of year. 60mph gusts that really whipped up the seas and the

:59:04.:59:09.

area of low pressure responsible for both the strong winds and the big

:59:10.:59:14.

seas was the spring tides. They caused problems across Devon and

:59:15.:59:17.

Cornwall throughout the course of Sunday. Things have calmed down

:59:18.:59:23.

overnight and today, thankfully. Thankfully it is a lot calmer.

:59:24.:59:28.

Overall the far south-west of England should stay dry today, but

:59:29.:59:31.

other parts of the UK not faring quite so well. There is a lot of

:59:32.:59:34.

cloud around across Northern Ireland, Wales and down into

:59:35.:59:37.

southern parts of England. A stripe of rain if you like that's really

:59:38.:59:43.

not moving very far, very quickly. This zone staying soggy throughout.

:59:44.:59:46.

There will be showers throughout Eastern Scotland. Across the far

:59:47.:59:50.

north-west it should stay fine and dry. There should be sunshine across

:59:51.:59:55.

the Highlands of Scotland. A chilly wind blowing too, keeping the

:59:56.:59:58.

temperatures in single figures from Aberdeen down Edinburgh. There is

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that area of rain across Northern Ireland and sitting across much of

:00:02.:00:04.

Wales to the north-west of England, some rain this morning. It is

:00:05.:00:07.

brightening up here and the Lancashire coast may see the top

:00:08.:00:10.

temperatures today 16 Celsius or 17 Celsius is possible, but soggy under

:00:11.:00:14.

this band of rain through parts of the Midlands, Southern England and

:00:15.:00:19.

the far south-west. Now the line of rain, just sort of

:00:20.:00:26.

pivots around. The rain returns to Northern England and pushes into

:00:27.:00:30.

Southern Scotland and Northern Ireland. To the south, generally

:00:31.:00:34.

dry. It may turny misty and generally dry and not a cold night.

:00:35.:00:40.

The area of rain then is around tomorrow bringing for dull damp

:00:41.:00:43.

conditions for Northern Ireland, central and Southern Scotland and

:00:44.:00:46.

for Northern Ireland. Rain on and off. For the south, sunshine, but

:00:47.:00:50.

the potential for really big and beefy showers to develop as

:00:51.:00:53.

temperatures again get into the mid-teens. Some warmth in the south.

:00:54.:00:57.

Further north with the cloud and the rain it will be cold particularly on

:00:58.:01:01.

the North Sea coasts with the winds coming in from the east. All from an

:01:02.:01:04.

area of low pressure dominating, but sitting well to the south-west of

:01:05.:01:09.

the UK, but it is controlling. This wriggling weather front will mark

:01:10.:01:12.

the boundary between something colder across the north and

:01:13.:01:15.

something drier and warmer to the south, but where the weather front

:01:16.:01:18.

lies, there will be cloud and outbreaks of rain. Again across

:01:19.:01:23.

parts of Northern Britain and the potential for warmth and sunshine,

:01:24.:01:27.

but big potentially powerful April downpours. That's the way it's

:01:28.:01:28.

looking. I'm Joanna Gosling in for

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Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme

:01:33.:01:36.

if you've just joined us. MPs are falling over themselves to

:01:37.:01:50.

publish their tax affairs, but does it restore our trust in them? And we

:01:51.:01:54.

hear from one woman, Sam Branca, who said the abuse she suffered as a

:01:55.:02:02.

girl by Jimmy Savile caused her years of damage.

:02:03.:02:07.

I missed out on a whole childhood, missed out on a whole

:02:08.:02:10.

Everyone else remembers their childhood.

:02:11.:02:12.

I remember nothing except pain and sadness and loneliness.

:02:13.:02:18.

Lots of you getting in touch about Sam's story, and you can watch her

:02:19.:02:22.

interview on our programme page. You can hear her full story

:02:23.:02:25.

on our programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria and there's more

:02:26.:02:28.

tonight on the BBC One documentary Plus, Ayeeshia Jane Smith, murdered

:02:29.:02:36.

by her mother, and an MP is calling for an independent enquiry into her

:02:37.:02:40.

death. And an American mother says she is facing deportation because

:02:41.:02:43.

her British husband of nine years is earning less than ?18,600, the Home

:02:44.:02:53.

Office threshold that would mean she could stay. We will hear from her

:02:54.:02:54.

before the end of the programme. Let's bring you right up with all of

:02:55.:03:03.

the day's news. Maxine is in the newsroom.

:03:04.:03:16.

Treasury sources say that the Chancellor, George Osborne,

:03:17.:03:18.

may publish his tax returns in the next few days.

:03:19.:03:20.

It comes as David Cameron will today face MPs for the first

:03:21.:03:23.

time since the leaking of the Panama Papers which exposed

:03:24.:03:25.

the extent to which offshore companies are used to hide money

:03:26.:03:28.

Mr Cameron will announce plans to toughen up the rules on companies

:03:29.:03:32.

that don't do enough to stop staff helping clients evade tax.

:03:33.:03:35.

One senior backbencher explained the pressure

:03:36.:03:36.

The argument for doing so is that Caesar's wife must be above

:03:37.:03:46.

suspicion, and if you are managing the country's affairs, the

:03:47.:03:49.

electorate want to know you are doing it properly and independently.

:03:50.:03:53.

I think it is a pity we have lost privacy, but some extent it is

:03:54.:03:59.

politicians' fault because we lost the trust of the public over the

:04:00.:04:01.

expensive affair -- expenses affair. The former Defence Secretary Liam

:04:02.:04:06.

Fox has called for those campaigning to leave the European Union to be

:04:07.:04:09.

allowed to include their views in the controversial EU referendum

:04:10.:04:12.

leaflet that's being mailed The document, which will set out

:04:13.:04:14.

the Government's case for staying in the EU, is costing

:04:15.:04:18.

the taxpayer ?9 million, and the first batches will be

:04:19.:04:20.

delivered to households MPs campaigning to leave are also

:04:21.:04:22.

expected to call in Parliament today for changes to the Finance Bill,

:04:23.:04:26.

to secure an extra ?9 million in funding for their

:04:27.:04:29.

campaign to compensate. More than 200,000 members

:04:30.:04:33.

of the public have signed a petition demanding the mailing

:04:34.:04:35.

is cancelled altogether. A deal that would safeguard

:04:36.:04:40.

the future of the Tata steelworks in Scunthorpe is expected

:04:41.:04:43.

to be signed today. It's thought the investment

:04:44.:04:45.

firm, Greybull Capital, will announce the sale,

:04:46.:04:48.

following nine months Also today, Tata is also

:04:49.:04:50.

expected to begin the formal process of selling the rest

:04:51.:04:58.

of its loss-making UK plants. If the Scunthorpe deal is approved,

:04:59.:05:01.

it will secure about 4,000 jobs. It secures future of Scunthorpe, our

:05:02.:05:13.

communities, the workforce, contract workforce. We are talking 30 or

:05:14.:05:19.

40,000 jobs saved, a community that can carry on, the council still

:05:20.:05:23.

receiving their taxes to pay their workers, it is massive for the town.

:05:24.:05:28.

Around 7,000 pupils in Edinburgh will not be

:05:29.:05:30.

able to return to school from the holidays today

:05:31.:05:33.

because of concerns that school buildings may

:05:34.:05:34.

17 schools have been closed until further notice.

:05:35.:05:44.

One of Jimmy Savile's victims told this programme how Jimmy Savile

:05:45.:05:52.

singled her out for abuse. She is one of several victims to speak out

:05:53.:05:55.

tonight in a BBC One panorama documentary. It features people

:05:56.:05:59.

speaking about about their abuse for the first time, and the impact that

:06:00.:06:04.

coming forward has had on them and their families. Sam Brown described

:06:05.:06:11.

how Savill abused her. He would put his hands around my face, and

:06:12.:06:16.

sometimes his fingers into my mouth, which obviously would silence me.

:06:17.:06:24.

And make me realise that I had no choice in what was happening. In all

:06:25.:06:30.

that time, he would do whatever he wanted to do with me.

:06:31.:06:33.

The writer and convicted drug smuggler, Howard Marks,

:06:34.:06:35.

He came to prominence for his best-selling

:06:36.:06:40.

memoir of his exploits, called Mr Nice.

:06:41.:06:43.

It was published in 1996, a year after he was released

:06:44.:06:45.

He served seven years of a 25-year jail sentence for drugs offences.

:06:46.:06:55.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:06:56.:06:59.

Now back to Joanna. So many of you getting in touch with us this

:07:00.:07:06.

morning after my interview earlier with Sam who was abused by Jimmy

:07:07.:07:11.

Savile from the age of 11 to 14. An anonymous text says I send my

:07:12.:07:15.

heartfelt thoughts on love to Sam. I can relate as it happened to me

:07:16.:07:18.

through my childhood at the hands of a family member. It is hard to speak

:07:19.:07:23.

of this in public, bless you, and I send you much love. Another

:07:24.:07:30.

anonymous text, such a brave lady to speak on television, I have a

:07:31.:07:35.

historic abuse case coming up, we reported hours before Jimmy Savile,

:07:36.:07:38.

six years to get to court, another few months to weight. I will be 55

:07:39.:07:47.

before this can be a new era for us, I still freezing trigger situations.

:07:48.:07:51.

Sam's strength for the radiator victims, and I hope I will be a bit

:07:52.:07:56.

to do this, too. Carroll says, I was abused by my grandfather from the

:07:57.:07:59.

age of four years old, I dreaded seeing him even from a distance, he

:08:00.:08:03.

blighted my life completely. I have talked about this to several people,

:08:04.:08:08.

but you never forget. Sam is a remarkable lady, the voice of our

:08:09.:08:12.

childhood which we missed out on. Thank you for all of your comments.

:08:13.:08:16.

Lots of you getting in touch on that, and we do read all of your

:08:17.:08:21.

messages. If you want to get in touch, please do remember the

:08:22.:08:24.

hashtag. You can also see the interview with

:08:25.:08:39.

Sam again on the programme page. Let's catch up with all the sport,

:08:40.:08:43.

and Olly Foster has news of the memorable Masters from British golf.

:08:44.:08:48.

Sheffield's Danny Willett won the first major of the year last night,

:08:49.:08:56.

in an enthralling final round in Augusta as the reigning champion

:08:57.:08:58.

Jordan Speith throw away a five shot lead at the turn. It made for an

:08:59.:09:03.

Wael biting final few holes, but Danny Willett won by three shots. We

:09:04.:09:16.

can talk to Steve and Elisabet, Danny's parents. You are moving from

:09:17.:09:21.

Sheffield to Anglesey, where you have retired, so you weren't at

:09:22.:09:25.

Augusta. How did you take it in? The first thing we set up was the

:09:26.:09:31.

television! And what were the emotions as you're watching him do

:09:32.:09:34.

what he was doing? Excitement, absolute terror, particularly when

:09:35.:09:39.

he finished his round and had no more control over what was

:09:40.:09:42.

happening. Those last 40 minutes were a nightmare, wondering if

:09:43.:09:48.

Jordan Spieth could come back. But that is done, and he didn't. He

:09:49.:09:53.

didn't, but you never quite trusted that he wouldn't. We saw the

:09:54.:10:00.

pictures of Danny waiting in the scorers' hut, and he was faced

:10:01.:10:03.

tanning his wife and then he was mobbed by his caddie, here we go,

:10:04.:10:08.

that was the moment, we are just seeing that now, when Jordan Spieth

:10:09.:10:13.

missed that putt. Amazing pictures, you must have wished you were there.

:10:14.:10:20.

When his caddie caning and threw his arms around him, that was the best

:10:21.:10:24.

shot on television. We have dreams about this Valentine. When we were

:10:25.:10:29.

aware that he could probably make a living out of playing golf? I think

:10:30.:10:37.

when he went to America. We knew he was good, but you don't know how

:10:38.:10:40.

good until people pit themselves against other people, but when he

:10:41.:10:43.

went to America and went right at the top of the amateur world

:10:44.:10:47.

rankings, we thought, this isn't just a flash in the pan. He held

:10:48.:10:53.

that position for 12 weeks until he went professional, which is a long

:10:54.:10:56.

time to hold onto the number one Amateur Place. So we knew then that

:10:57.:11:01.

he had something special. It is fantastic, and he is not a nobody,

:11:02.:11:04.

he has moved into the world's top ten, he has won some big

:11:05.:11:09.

tournaments, he led the Open for a bit last year, but you just must be

:11:10.:11:16.

so proud that he is a major winner. It is unbelievable, isn't it? It is

:11:17.:11:22.

unbelievable. Where do you put that? It will take us weeks to file this

:11:23.:11:29.

away properly. Can I speak to Elisabet? You can, no problem.

:11:30.:11:40.

Hello. Good morning to you. What a wicked has been, new grandparents to

:11:41.:11:44.

Zachary who came early, so Danny could actually go to Augusta. It was

:11:45.:11:50.

wonderful, it really was. They couldn't have planned it any better.

:11:51.:11:56.

Grandchild number five, so he has come into a big family already, so

:11:57.:12:00.

it is fantastic. And you have a few sons as well. Where you aware of

:12:01.:12:06.

what your son Peter was up to? It caused quite a storm on Twitter, let

:12:07.:12:10.

me read a few things out. He was getting evolved from afar, he is in

:12:11.:12:17.

Birmingham, a teacher? He says, if the boy does what he should, I will

:12:18.:12:21.

be able to say I have shared a bath with a Masters winner. Green makes

:12:22.:12:28.

you look fat, refused the jacket! I love that one! And finally,

:12:29.:12:34.

speechless, you have a bit of a story about this one. I once pledged

:12:35.:12:38.

that kid in the head for hurting my pet rat, and now look. They had a

:12:39.:12:44.

pet rat, and Peter was really funny, his was so tame it used to sit on

:12:45.:12:48.

his shoulder when he would take the dogs for a walk, he was very fond of

:12:49.:12:54.

his rat. They were for boys growing up, but they also kept his feet

:12:55.:13:01.

firmly planted on the ground. You were watching in Anglesey, you got

:13:02.:13:05.

the telly set up straightaway, watching on BBC Two, I hope! Were

:13:06.:13:17.

you hiding behind the sofa? My husband is the one going in and out,

:13:18.:13:21.

he can't bear to watch it, but I can't bear to leave. You want to be

:13:22.:13:24.

there through the bad and the good, it was just fantastic. Are you

:13:25.:13:29.

planning an enormous party for him when he gets back? We will do. Today

:13:30.:13:38.

is Nicole's birthday, his wife, and he won't be back until tomorrow

:13:39.:13:45.

morning, so we will all be there. I think he is just looking forward, he

:13:46.:13:49.

is now off for four weeks, he always planned to do that, so he could just

:13:50.:13:53.

be a daddy, and they are looking forward to that, that will be really

:13:54.:13:57.

nice for them. Have a wonderful, wonderful time, and wish him well

:13:58.:14:02.

from all of us as well. And don't miss his next A major! You were

:14:03.:14:06.

moving to a new life on Anglesey, but thank you very much. Can I make

:14:07.:14:12.

one small point, you always caught in Yorkshire in which he truly is,

:14:13.:14:16.

but this boy is half Swedish, you know. He is flying the flag for

:14:17.:14:22.

Sweden as well! Elisabet and Steve, many thanks indeed. You are welcome.

:14:23.:14:31.

Goodbye. There you go, very proud, Danny Willett's parents, he is the

:14:32.:14:35.

Masters champion. They are so proud, as we all are. It

:14:36.:14:37.

is 14 minutes past ten. She was known to social services

:14:38.:14:40.

from birth and had been in care for a brief period before

:14:41.:14:45.

returning to her mother. She was killed at the age of 21

:14:46.:14:47.

months - stamped on by A postmortem found other injuries

:14:48.:14:50.

including extensive Police officers compared her

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injuries to like that of someone Today her mother will be sentenced

:14:54.:14:57.

after being convicted of her murder, and her step-father will be

:14:58.:15:09.

sentenced for his part in her death. The case has already been

:15:10.:15:14.

compared to that of Baby P, with social services being accused

:15:15.:15:17.

of missing crucial warning signs. Our correspondent Phil Mackie

:15:18.:15:21.

is at Birmingham Crown Court where sentencing is

:15:22.:15:23.

expected to take place. BP

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In the next few minutes the defendants will return to the dock

:15:31.:15:34.

at Birmingham Crown Court to hear what sentence they will get. Having

:15:35.:15:38.

been convicted of various offences on Friday. Catherine Smith, AJ's

:15:39.:15:44.

mother was found guilty of murder. She will face a life sentence. What

:15:45.:15:57.

the judge Mrs Justice Andrews will have to decide is how long she will

:15:58.:16:03.

spend in custody before eligible for parole. Her partner was found guilty

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of causing the death of a child as well as child cruelty, the first

:16:11.:16:14.

offence carries a maximum sentence of 14 years and the second carries a

:16:15.:16:18.

maximum sentence of ten years. Lots of questions have been raised about

:16:19.:16:23.

the case because as we know, there was plenty of contact between the

:16:24.:16:27.

family and the authorities. Especially in the months before

:16:28.:16:31.

Ayeeshia Jane died. Let's briefly remind you of some of the injuries

:16:32.:16:35.

that she suffered. Multiple wounds around her body. In fact the expert

:16:36.:16:39.

witness who is came to give evidence at the trial said it was like

:16:40.:16:42.

somebody who had been the victim of a fall from a great height or a car

:16:43.:16:46.

crash. They never know what caused her death, but there was a tear to

:16:47.:16:52.

her heart that suggested she had perhaps been stamped upon. Now

:16:53.:16:58.

during the trial Matthew Rigby and Catherine Smith blamed each other so

:16:59.:17:02.

we don't know what happened. We do know social services and various

:17:03.:17:06.

hospitals and doctors, various authorities had been aware of

:17:07.:17:12.

potential issues in AJ's life up until her death in May 2014. And

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that means there will be a Serious Case Review. That's been carried out

:17:18.:17:22.

by Derbyshire County Council who said because of new evidence that

:17:23.:17:26.

came out during the trial, they can't publish it, but we have seen

:17:27.:17:30.

many of these case reviews in the past relating to child deaths and we

:17:31.:17:36.

know many of those phrases that we hear depressingly often will

:17:37.:17:41.

re-emerge when it is published, missed opportunities, failure to

:17:42.:17:44.

communicate between different agencies, the lack of sharing

:17:45.:17:48.

information and of course, the lack of professional curiosity. All of

:17:49.:17:52.

those things will appear in the Serious Case Review. There will be

:17:53.:18:00.

sentencing from the prosecution about any previous offences Matthew

:18:01.:18:05.

Rigby and Catherine Smith may have committed and that will bear

:18:06.:18:08.

relevance as to how long they will have to serve inside prison. It will

:18:09.:18:12.

be a lengthy custodial sentence for both and we should know what the

:18:13.:18:16.

sentences are in the next hour or so.

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A serious case review has been launched by the Derbyshire

:18:20.:18:21.

Safeguarding Children Board to look at health and social services'

:18:22.:18:23.

involvement in the lead-up to Ayesshia's death in May

:18:24.:18:26.

Andrew Griffiths is the Conservative local MP

:18:27.:18:29.

for Burton who is calling for an independent enquiry

:18:30.:18:31.

into Ayeeshia's death, like Baby P and Victoria Climbie.

:18:32.:18:43.

Joanna Nicholas is a social worker with over 20 years experience

:18:44.:18:45.

and also a child protection consultant and works

:18:46.:18:47.

And Claude Knights is the CEO of Kidscape who says this shows

:18:48.:18:51.

again we haven't learnt enough lessons from Baby P.

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You're the local MP, what's been your reaction

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There is a sense of shock and revulsion of the brutality of which

:18:56.:19:12.

Ayeeshia died, but there is a growing sense of anger that so many

:19:13.:19:15.

opportunities to intervene and to save the life of this little child

:19:16.:19:21.

were missed. Hearing the evidence given in court, there were so many

:19:22.:19:25.

signals that should have set the alarm bells ringing and the lights

:19:26.:19:29.

flashing and yet social services didn't intervene. They knew about

:19:30.:19:32.

this child from the day she was born and in fact at one stage she had

:19:33.:19:38.

been taken into care and given to a foster parent where she flourished

:19:39.:19:42.

and yet the catastrophic decision to hand her back to her mother which

:19:43.:19:46.

led to her death was made by social services and I think people locally

:19:47.:19:50.

want answers they don't want to cover up, they want to know what

:19:51.:19:53.

happened that led to the terrible death.

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Let's bring in Joanna, not involved in this case, but involved in

:20:02.:20:05.

difficult situations involving kids who are in a vulnerable situation.

:20:06.:20:10.

How do you see it? What are the complexities dealing with a case

:20:11.:20:16.

like this? The first thing to say is that a Serious Case Review looks at

:20:17.:20:20.

all the agencies, not just health and children's social care. I'm

:20:21.:20:24.

really surprised to hear an MP talking about pre-empting what will

:20:25.:20:27.

come out of this Serious Case Review. The process that's followed,

:20:28.:20:31.

it is led by an independent person. It is a Government process. It is a

:20:32.:20:35.

statutory requirement that we undertake Serious Case Reviews so to

:20:36.:20:39.

hear an MP talking about mistakes that had been made prior to the

:20:40.:20:42.

publication of the Serious Case Review is surprising. The other

:20:43.:20:48.

thing that I would say is it is so easy to be wise with hindsight, we

:20:49.:20:52.

can look back and see the world as linear. If things, if mistakes are

:20:53.:20:58.

made, which almost always they have been, yes, we need to learn from

:20:59.:21:01.

them. Yes, we need to accept that and take it on the chin, but we

:21:02.:21:05.

should not be pre-empting what's going to come out of the Serious

:21:06.:21:08.

Case Review. Just respond to that. Perhaps I can come back on that. I'm

:21:09.:21:12.

talking about the evidence that was given to court. Social services knew

:21:13.:21:16.

this child was in danger. They knew that three of her partners were

:21:17.:21:20.

violent. There was actually an exclusion order on one of her

:21:21.:21:25.

partners that was ignored. They knew about the smell of cannabis and the

:21:26.:21:30.

mum being spaced-out when they visited. They went and they saw on

:21:31.:21:35.

three separate occasion doors were kicked in and mirrors smashed. They

:21:36.:21:40.

saw the bruises on this little girl. They saw the fingerprints on her

:21:41.:21:44.

thighs. They knew that she had gone to A with a plead on the brain.

:21:45.:21:49.

There were so many opportunities that social services knew about and

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what I think we need to know is how the judgement was made, not to

:21:54.:21:58.

intervene when social services knew on so many occasions that things

:21:59.:22:02.

were wrong and that this child was in danger. I think that's what I

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want to see. That's what a Serious Case Review will look at. You talk

:22:08.:22:11.

as if social services act in isolation. They absolutely don't.

:22:12.:22:16.

What we know from serious case reviews published is we need to work

:22:17.:22:21.

better with other agencies. Please stop talking about it as if it is

:22:22.:22:27.

just social services. They make decisions with all the agencies

:22:28.:22:30.

involved and the courts and if the timeline is to be believed in this

:22:31.:22:34.

court, the courts were involved as well. They are all making decisions

:22:35.:22:40.

together. These decisions are not made in isolation. Perhaps I could

:22:41.:22:44.

just come back. It is true the police were involved. They told

:22:45.:22:47.

social services of the calls where the mum was saying that the partner

:22:48.:22:51.

wanted to burn the house down, where he was threatening to cut himself

:22:52.:22:55.

and blame her. The Fire Brigade were involved. They called social

:22:56.:22:59.

services and said when they fitted a letterbox that was to prevent arson

:23:00.:23:03.

to prevent the partner from burning the house down, they said that the

:23:04.:23:07.

mother was spaced-out, and they could smell cannabis. So all of the

:23:08.:23:10.

services were involved. They were all talking. All of the information

:23:11.:23:15.

is catalogued and known to social services, but there was a judgement

:23:16.:23:20.

made not to act. One social worker visited the home more than 20 times.

:23:21.:23:25.

It is not that social services weren't involved, it is not that

:23:26.:23:28.

they weren't aware, it is that they came to the wrong decision and I

:23:29.:23:31.

want to get to the reason why those decision were made? I want to bring

:23:32.:23:42.

in Claude? One of the great concerns is that we have had so many reports.

:23:43.:23:47.

We have had Lord Lib Demming's report in 2009 which led to aids

:23:48.:23:54.

maizingly useful and effective recommendations but actually, we we

:23:55.:23:57.

are in a situation where year upon year we have more and more children

:23:58.:24:02.

being, you know, abused in this way and lessons don't seem to have been

:24:03.:24:05.

learned. One of the things that really chills my blood is after a

:24:06.:24:10.

horrific situation like this and an avoidable death, people come out and

:24:11.:24:14.

say, "Yes, there will be a Serious Case Review and lessons will be

:24:15.:24:18.

learned." I'd like to know when will these be learned? We know what we

:24:19.:24:23.

should be doing. Why aren't we doing it?

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We're out of time. Thank you to all of you.

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A deal that could safeguard the future of Tata's steelworks

:24:31.:24:33.

in Scunthorpe is likely to be signed today.

:24:34.:24:34.

Our correspondent Sarah Corker is there with the latest.

:24:35.:24:37.

What is the latest, Sarah? Well, if a sale is agreed today, as is

:24:38.:24:47.

expected we could get an announcement by midday. It will come

:24:48.:24:52.

as a huge relief to this town. It is difficult to under estimate just how

:24:53.:24:56.

important the steel industry is here. The steelworks just 100 meters

:24:57.:25:01.

down the road there. It employs 4,000 people, but the plant also

:25:02.:25:06.

supports another 30,000 jobs in the wider economy. The plant has been up

:25:07.:25:12.

for sale for the last two years, way before Tata said it wanted to off

:25:13.:25:17.

load the rest of its UK business and after months of negotiation between

:25:18.:25:23.

Tata Steel and investment firm, the take-over deal is expected to be

:25:24.:25:28.

finalised today. The investment firm have been putting together this ?400

:25:29.:25:35.

million rescue package. As part of that turnover deal will work as they

:25:36.:25:39.

have been asked to take a hit on pay and pensions. They have been asked

:25:40.:25:45.

to vote on a temporary cut to pay a 3% reduction for 12 months. A drop

:25:46.:25:50.

in pension contributions for a year and the end of the final salary

:25:51.:25:54.

pension scheme. They are being balloted by unions on that at the

:25:55.:25:59.

moment and that ballot process finishes on the 19th April. But the

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sense I have been getting from workers here is they're willing to

:26:04.:26:07.

make that sacrifice if it means securing the long-term future of

:26:08.:26:11.

this plant. One steel worker this morning told me, a 3% cut is better

:26:12.:26:16.

than having no job at all and no steelworks. That is how much is at

:26:17.:26:22.

stake here and it is under the investment firm thinks it can turn

:26:23.:26:25.

around this business in the next 18 months or so and steel workers here

:26:26.:26:30.

after months of bad news, they're hoping there will be something for

:26:31.:26:35.

them to smile about today. Thank you very much.

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We can speak now to Angela Smith, a Labour MP who has 900 Tata

:26:39.:26:41.

employees in her constituency and Stephen Surtees Davies who faces

:26:42.:26:44.

losing his steel worker job at Port Talbot this summer.

:26:45.:26:48.

Thank you for coming in. Angela, how are you feeling about the future

:26:49.:26:54.

prospects for those in your constituency and what are they

:26:55.:26:59.

telling you, how are they feeling? The passion that local people and

:27:00.:27:05.

the local workforce feel about this is, you have to see it to believe it

:27:06.:27:10.

and to feel it. The workforce is so proud of what it does. It makes some

:27:11.:27:14.

of the very best steel in the world. It is a very highly skilled

:27:15.:27:18.

workforce and they are determined to make sure that that plant has a

:27:19.:27:22.

future and it should have a future. It makes steel for the aerospace

:27:23.:27:27.

industry and steel for the automotive industry and we can't

:27:28.:27:31.

afford to lose it and I'm confident that it has got a future as long as

:27:32.:27:34.

the Government does the job it needs to do which is to step in and

:27:35.:27:38.

support the industry to get over this crisis. Stephen, your dad

:27:39.:27:43.

worked at the steelworks in Port Talbot and you do, your son does,

:27:44.:27:47.

you have been there since you were 16. How is everyone reacting around

:27:48.:27:52.

you? They're devastated with what's going on at this moment as we have

:27:53.:27:56.

been saying in the past now, we don't want any charity, we want an

:27:57.:28:00.

even playing field with the energy costs compared with what is

:28:01.:28:03.

happening in Europe. We are paying double and we can't compete at the

:28:04.:28:07.

moment and plus and we have been asking for that for many years. Now

:28:08.:28:13.

with the influx of the Chinese steel, that's crippling us even

:28:14.:28:16.

more. There is two points the Government need to take up on this

:28:17.:28:20.

and act straightaway. I think the energy costs is really important. It

:28:21.:28:24.

is not just about the green taxation on energy, it is the basic price of

:28:25.:28:28.

electricity that's the problem for industry and I think it is double,

:28:29.:28:32.

89 #3Ers higher than the EU average. So the Government really needs to

:28:33.:28:36.

get to grips with this. It needs to tackle the big six. How much of a

:28:37.:28:43.

factor is that? Even if that were dealt with, would that make the

:28:44.:28:46.

industry viable right now? It would help and the Chinese steel issue is

:28:47.:28:50.

a big problem at the moment so the Government needs to start to work

:28:51.:28:54.

co-op ratively with its European Union partners to ensure we have a

:28:55.:28:58.

safeguarding of steel in the ushg. This isn't about protectionism. This

:28:59.:29:01.

is about the fact that steel is being sold in the UK at below cost

:29:02.:29:06.

price. So we need to see measures to deal with that and then there is

:29:07.:29:10.

business rates. 11 times higher than in the European Union for the steel

:29:11.:29:16.

industry. That is unsustainable. All these things need to be dealt with

:29:17.:29:19.

as well as supporting the short-term to give the industry a future and we

:29:20.:29:23.

need to make the industry resilient in order to meet future economic

:29:24.:29:27.

down turns, my family were in steel. They are not in the industry after

:29:28.:29:31.

200 years, they are not in the industry anymore. I don't want to

:29:32.:29:37.

see Steve's job go. We want a future for what is a really important

:29:38.:29:44.

industry. We are highly motivated and highly skilled and we want that

:29:45.:29:49.

opportunity to prove everyone, we are sustainable and we will go

:29:50.:29:52.

forward together. Thank you very much. Thank you.

:29:53.:30:03.

Why can the celebrity who took part in a threesome be named in Scotland

:30:04.:30:07.

and the USA, one MP is threatening to identify the celebrity today. We

:30:08.:30:12.

will bring you what details we are legally allowed to. We hear from the

:30:13.:30:16.

woman who might be deported to America because her British husband

:30:17.:30:20.

less than the Home Office says he needs to earn in order for her to

:30:21.:30:27.

stay here. Now let's catch up with the news.

:30:28.:30:35.

Treasury sources say George Osborne is likely to publish details

:30:36.:30:38.

about his income and tax payments in the coming days.

:30:39.:30:42.

It comes as David Cameron prepares to face MPs for the first

:30:43.:30:45.

time since the leaking of the Panama Papers which exposed

:30:46.:30:47.

the extent to which offshore companies are used to hide money

:30:48.:30:50.

He'll announce plans to toughen up the rules on companies that don't do

:30:51.:30:54.

enough to stop staff helping clients evade tax.

:30:55.:30:56.

One senior backbencher explained the pressure

:30:57.:30:57.

The argument for doing so is that Caesar's wife must be above

:30:58.:31:06.

suspicion, and if you are managing the country's affairs, the

:31:07.:31:10.

electorate want to know you are doing it properly and independently.

:31:11.:31:13.

I think it is a pity we have lost privacy,

:31:14.:31:16.

but some extent it is politicians' fault because we lost

:31:17.:31:20.

the trust of the public over the expenses affair.

:31:21.:31:24.

The former Defence Secretary Liam Fox has called for those campaigning

:31:25.:31:28.

to leave the European Union to be allowed to include their views

:31:29.:31:31.

in the controversial EU referendum leaflet that's being mailed

:31:32.:31:42.

The document, which will set out the Government's case for staying

:31:43.:31:45.

in the EU, is costing the taxpayer ?9 million,

:31:46.:31:48.

and the first batches will be delivered to households

:31:49.:31:50.

More than 200,000 members of the public have signed a petition

:31:51.:31:53.

demanding the mailing is cancelled altogether.

:31:54.:31:55.

A deal that would safeguard the future of the Tata steelworks

:31:56.:31:57.

in Scunthorpe is expected to be signed today.

:31:58.:31:59.

It's thought the investment firm, Greybull Capital,

:32:00.:32:02.

will announce the sale, following nine months

:32:03.:32:04.

Also today, Tata is also expected to begin the formal

:32:05.:32:11.

process of selling the rest of its loss-making UK plants.

:32:12.:32:14.

If the Scunthorpe deal is approved, it will secure about 4,000 jobs.

:32:15.:32:23.

It secures the future for Scunthorpe, our communities,

:32:24.:32:42.

We are talking 30 or 40,000 jobs saved, a community that

:32:43.:32:46.

can carry on, the council still receiving their taxes to pay their

:32:47.:32:48.

Around 7,000 pupils in Edinburgh will not be

:32:49.:32:52.

able to return to school from the holidays today

:32:53.:32:54.

because of concerns that school buildings may

:32:55.:32:56.

17 schools have been closed until further notice.

:32:57.:32:59.

One of Jimmy Savile's victims tells this programme how Jimmy Savile

:33:00.:33:01.

Sam Brown reported the abuse to police after Savile's death.

:33:02.:33:05.

She is one of several victims to speak out tonight

:33:06.:33:07.

in a BBC One Panorama documentary Abused,

:33:08.:33:09.

It features people speaking out about their abuse for the first

:33:10.:33:14.

time, and the impact that coming forward has had on them

:33:15.:33:16.

Sam Brown describes how Savile abused her.

:33:17.:33:27.

The writer and convicted drug smuggler, Howard Marks,

:33:28.:33:29.

He came to prominence for his best-selling

:33:30.:33:33.

memoir of his exploits, called Mr Nice.

:33:34.:33:35.

It was published in 1996, a year after he was released

:33:36.:33:38.

He served seven years of a 25-year jail sentence for drugs offences.

:33:39.:33:49.

That's the latest news. Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock.

:33:50.:33:57.

Here's some sport now with Olly Foster -

:33:58.:33:59.

and a memorable Masters for British golf.

:34:00.:34:01.

Danny Willett is the Masters champion, finishing three shots

:34:02.:34:08.

clear of his compatriot Lee Westwood, the first British player

:34:09.:34:14.

to win at Augusta in 20 years. Reigning champion Jordan Spieth

:34:15.:34:16.

threw away a five shot lead with nine holes to play. Leicester City

:34:17.:34:20.

are still seven points clear of trouble the Premier League after

:34:21.:34:24.

they beat Sunderland 2-0, Jamie Vardy scored both their goals. There

:34:25.:34:28.

are now guaranteed Champions League football next season because fifth

:34:29.:34:31.

placed Manchester United lost a Tottenham 3-0 at White Hart Lane.

:34:32.:34:38.

With five games to play, Spurs are still Lester's nearest challengers.

:34:39.:34:43.

It has been a good week Rangers after promotion to the Scottish

:34:44.:34:46.

Premiership and winning the challenge cup against Peterhead 4-0.

:34:47.:34:49.

They face Celtic in the Scottish semifinals next weekend. That is

:34:50.:34:53.

your sport for this morning, more coming up for you in just a moment

:34:54.:34:56.

with the latest instalment from the Leicester video diaries. That is

:34:57.:35:02.

well worth looking out for, coming up shortly. An American mother says

:35:03.:35:06.

she is facing deportation because her husband of nine years earns less

:35:07.:35:16.

than ?18,000. The couple moved back to the UK, but the family risk being

:35:17.:35:20.

split up after the Home Office rejected her Visa application.

:35:21.:35:25.

British citizens have to earn a certain amount before they qualify

:35:26.:35:29.

to bring in a non-EU partner. The Government says the minimum income

:35:30.:35:32.

rule is to prevent unqualified spouses coming to the UK and

:35:33.:35:35.

becoming dependent on the state. We can speak to Dominic, Katy and

:35:36.:35:42.

Marilyn from their home in Eastbourne. Tell us what the

:35:43.:35:48.

situation is. Katy, as things stand, you're not allowed to stay? You

:35:49.:35:52.

potentially will not be allowed to stay here with your daughter and

:35:53.:35:57.

husband. We have been told by the Home Office in a letter that my Visa

:35:58.:36:04.

was refused and that I would have to leave the UK in 14 days, that is

:36:05.:36:11.

what the letter says, and I can leave without my daughter and they

:36:12.:36:14.

have no concerns about her safety welfare because she would be here

:36:15.:36:18.

with her father. And Dominic, this is because you don't earn enough on

:36:19.:36:21.

the Home Office rules introduced in 2012 to be able to have your wife

:36:22.:36:29.

here stay under immigration rules? Actually I think I do earn enough,

:36:30.:36:34.

because I have my own business, I am self-employed, and I think at the

:36:35.:36:38.

moment I am earning around that money required, but because it takes

:36:39.:36:42.

time for a self-employed person to submit their taxes and prove their

:36:43.:36:47.

income, I can't prove it to them, so I am unable to show them, but I can

:36:48.:36:54.

reach that figure. The law is very rigid, it doesn't take into account

:36:55.:36:57.

family income, it doesn't take into account my income either. You are

:36:58.:37:03.

not allowed to have any income at the moment, because you are not able

:37:04.:37:07.

to work? I am not able to work now, but it doesn't take into account my

:37:08.:37:10.

previous income from before, last year and the before. When you apply

:37:11.:37:16.

for it, it doesn't take into account, it only takes into account

:37:17.:37:22.

the British person's income. So as things stand, you have had a letter

:37:23.:37:25.

from the Home Office saying you are not allowed to work or claim

:37:26.:37:29.

benefits, if you use health services, you would be invoiced for

:37:30.:37:33.

that. You were given a date on which you had to leave the country, but it

:37:34.:37:37.

is all up for appeal. When you received that letter and it said

:37:38.:37:41.

that there was effectively no issue in you leaving the country and

:37:42.:37:44.

leaving your daughter behind, how did you feel about that? Obviously I

:37:45.:37:52.

felt horrible about it, being told that you don't matter, basically,

:37:53.:37:55.

and that the welfare of your daughter doesn't matter, and that

:37:56.:37:59.

she doesn't need her mother. It is just horrible, to think that a

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Government would do that, would separate a mother from her child.

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The Home Office makes a point that you could go and live in the United

:38:11.:38:13.

States as a family, you have lived there before. Is that something that

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you will consider? We have been trying to come back to the UK. We

:38:19.:38:22.

lived here before, after we were married, for three years, and I

:38:23.:38:26.

worked and paid taxes the entire time, and we left to go back to the

:38:27.:38:31.

US for a temporary time period, and we always wanted to come back, but

:38:32.:38:35.

in 2012, the law came in, and we realised they were making it very

:38:36.:38:38.

difficult for us and we probably wouldn't be able to come back under

:38:39.:38:44.

this new rule, and so since then we have been trying to make our way

:38:45.:38:51.

back, because we have a large family network here. And then after we had

:38:52.:38:56.

Madeleine, we wanted to come back even more, because we wanted her to

:38:57.:39:00.

be around the large spread family we have here, grandparents, aunts and

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uncles, all of her cousins, and we felt it was the best place for her.

:39:06.:39:10.

And why should we have to go to the United States to live? I am a

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British citizen, Madeleine is a British citizen, I have my whole

:39:17.:39:21.

family here, I have a business. Katy had a five-year spousal Visa, and in

:39:22.:39:30.

2006, she earned $80,000 in her last job, and in the States she is highly

:39:31.:39:37.

skilled. I have a degree. So why should we have to go and live

:39:38.:39:41.

somewhere else where there is no proper family and no proper life for

:39:42.:39:46.

us when we have everything here? Dominic and Katy, thank you very

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much for joining us. I Home Office spokesman said all applications are

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considered on their individual merits, and in accordance with the

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immigration rules. This case is ongoing, said it would be

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inappropriate to comment further. Leicester City are one step closer

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to completing one of the most remarkable feat in British football

:40:07.:40:11.

history by beating Sunderland 2-0 yesterday at the Stadium of Light.

:40:12.:40:14.

The team are now seven points clear of the top of the Premier League

:40:15.:40:17.

with just three wins needed. To put that into context, this time last

:40:18.:40:21.

year, they were battling relegation, and at the start of the season, the

:40:22.:40:26.

odds on the league were 5000 to one. That is the same odds you'd get from

:40:27.:40:29.

proving that Elvis Presley was alive. Over the last month, two

:40:30.:40:34.

Leicester fans have been keeping diaries for us, Gary Johnson whose

:40:35.:40:40.

middle name is Leicester and who was named after Gary Lineker. This video

:40:41.:40:45.

contains flashing images. It is Sunday and it's

:40:46.:41:15.

a beautiful morning. It is a long trip up

:41:16.:41:17.

the M1 and A1 to see It is a ridiculous time of morning

:41:18.:41:23.

to be up on a Sunday, but we are here to support

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the boys in blue. Hopefully we can get

:41:30.:41:33.

three points to make up Big Ann and Matt have

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turned up for the match. What do you think

:41:36.:41:42.

this morning, folks? I think it is too early and too cold

:41:43.:41:45.

but we are going to win. I think it will be

:41:46.:41:49.

a tough one today. It is 7:20, and here we are,

:41:50.:41:56.

the mad people, getting Because we are going to win

:41:57.:42:02.

the league aren't we? Are we going to win

:42:03.:42:10.

the league? We are leaving the King Power

:42:11.:42:16.

Stadium to make our way We are now 15 minutes away

:42:17.:42:38.

from the Stadium of Light and we are stopping off

:42:39.:42:54.

for a quick cup of tea. Big Ann has a cup of tea and Matt

:42:55.:42:58.

is engrossed in his phone. And we have picked Frankie up

:42:59.:43:04.

on the way and we have been talking to Sunderland supporters

:43:05.:43:07.

who hope we win the league Very nice hospitality up here,

:43:08.:43:09.

very nice cup of tea, And I'm not nervous yet,

:43:10.:43:22.

which is most unusual. Here we are in the Sunderland fan

:43:23.:43:34.

zone surrounded by very friendly Let's hope that the match

:43:35.:43:45.

is as good-natured as this is. Here we are, just getting off

:43:46.:43:59.

the coach in Sunderland. Making our way to the stadium

:44:00.:44:08.

which is just down there. Hopefully we will see

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the boys in blue win today. It means an awful lot to Leicester

:44:12.:44:16.

to win, but what does I hope Leicester win

:44:17.:44:19.

the whole thing. If you beat us today and we stay

:44:20.:44:23.

up, I will be happy. I will be happy if we win today,

:44:24.:44:26.

but I want you to win We have just come out

:44:27.:44:30.

from another fantastic Two goals at this time,

:44:31.:44:58.

the pressure on at all times, it is absolutely unbelievable

:44:59.:45:07.

and we are going to win the league. # We're going to win the league,

:45:08.:45:15.

we're going to win the league. # I know you won't believe us,

:45:16.:45:24.

I know you were believe us. And you watch all of their diaries

:45:25.:45:27.

on our programme page: We'll hear more from Gary

:45:28.:45:45.

and Sandra next Monday. And if you can put a price on that

:45:46.:45:53.

success, one fan put a fiver before the season began at odds of 5000 to

:45:54.:45:58.

one on them winning, standing to win ?25,000 if they make it.

:45:59.:46:01.

Why can a married celebrity who has taken out an injunction preventing

:46:02.:46:04.

details of a threesome from being published be named

:46:05.:46:06.

in Scotland and America but not in the rest of the UK?

:46:07.:46:09.

Our correspondent Andy Moore can tell us a little bit more,

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but there's an awful lot we can't tell you.

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First of all, tell us what you can

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Well, this was in the court of apile and it overturned a previous ruling

:46:17.:46:26.

in the High Court which ruled in favour of the paper. I'm going to

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refer to my notes and be careful because I don't want to break the

:46:31.:46:35.

terms of injunction. It concerns a man well-known in the entertainment

:46:36.:46:39.

business who is married somebody well-known in the entertainment

:46:40.:46:42.

business and they have young children. The Sun on Sunday wanted

:46:43.:46:48.

to publish a story about an affair in 2009. Beyond that, I can't tell

:46:49.:46:52.

you much. But viewers in Scotland will be wondering why because it was

:46:53.:46:56.

over the front page of one of their papers yesterday. We can't show you

:46:57.:46:59.

that, but we can show you what The Sun makes of it in England. Their

:47:00.:47:14.

front page, "Och aye they know" It is over the internet of course as

:47:15.:47:17.

well. Now it has been reported that one MP, we're not sure, maybe

:47:18.:47:22.

standing up in the House of Commons and breaking the injunction using

:47:23.:47:26.

Parliamentary privilege basically where an MP can say anything thet

:47:27.:47:31.

want without being bound by the legal rules that you and I are bound

:47:32.:47:37.

by. What issues did the court have to weigh up? The celebrity's right

:47:38.:47:42.

to private life versus the paper's right to freedom of expression. The

:47:43.:47:46.

celebrity said that this was tittle-tattle, it was his private

:47:47.:47:51.

life. There was no public in it and he said he wanted to protect his

:47:52.:47:55.

children. The paper said that the couple projected an image of a cosy

:47:56.:48:02.

family life and this evidence of an exta martial affair was at odds with

:48:03.:48:06.

that. The judge said well, they can have an open marriage and still have

:48:07.:48:12.

commitment to each other and you know a perfect family life caring

:48:13.:48:15.

for their children. On balance the judge said that he was ruling in

:48:16.:48:18.

favour of the celebrity, and against the paper. It is not the first time

:48:19.:48:22.

there has been a fight between the courts and the media over

:48:23.:48:25.

injunctions. There have been high-profile cases in the past,

:48:26.:48:29.

haven't there? You have to cast your mind back five years to the era of

:48:30.:48:35.

super-injunctions when we couldn't even tell you there was an

:48:36.:48:39.

injunction. Ryan Giggs tried to cover up a story about an affair. He

:48:40.:48:43.

was named in the Scottish press and then he was named in Parliament by

:48:44.:48:49.

the MP John Hemming and that came out. Top Gear presenter tried to

:48:50.:48:54.

cover up an interview with his wife. He gave up after a while because he

:48:55.:48:59.

said it was pointless. The celebrities who are trying to cover

:49:00.:49:03.

up something in their private life may achieve the opposite effect. It

:49:04.:49:08.

is called the Streisand affect after Barbra Streisand. She tried to stop

:49:09.:49:13.

publication of a photograph of her clifftop home in Malibu. It was on

:49:14.:49:19.

some obscure scientific website talking about coastal erosion and

:49:20.:49:22.

six people viewed the imagement she went to court and before long

:49:23.:49:27.

500,000 people had seen that image! I think celebrities perhaps in this

:49:28.:49:31.

case have to be aware that in trying to protect their private life so

:49:32.:49:35.

fiercely in the courts they might actually be telling everybody what

:49:36.:49:38.

is going on and more people will get to know about it. Thank you very

:49:39.:49:39.

much. A survey of British Muslims suggests

:49:40.:50:00.

that more than half believe homosexuality should

:50:01.:50:03.

be illegal in the UK. The poll will feature

:50:04.:50:04.

in a documentary called What British Muslims Really Think,

:50:05.:50:06.

which seeks to investigate why some Trevor Phillips says

:50:07.:50:09.

the findings pose profound questions for society -

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and for future relations between Britain's Muslim

:50:13.:50:14.

and non-Muslim communities. This survey is really an attempt to

:50:15.:50:22.

find out what most Muslim people think on a range of issues. What it

:50:23.:50:27.

tells us is that for the most part they are just like everybody else.

:50:28.:50:32.

They love Britain. Probably slightly more than others. They love the

:50:33.:50:36.

opportunity to worship as they please. They trust the authorities

:50:37.:50:42.

and so on, but on a number of very specific issues, the centre of

:50:43.:50:45.

gravity of Muslim opinion is very different from everyone else and

:50:46.:50:51.

those issues are family and sex. Attitudes towards Jewish people and

:50:52.:50:55.

then a bundle of issues which you might call the law and violence and

:50:56.:51:00.

terrorism and on freedom of expression. Those issues, Muslim

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opinion is very different and what we are trying to say is that this is

:51:05.:51:11.

now 6%, 7% of our citizens, soon it will be 10% and the rest of us have

:51:12.:51:14.

to understand what they really think. What do you take then from

:51:15.:51:21.

something like only 34% of people surveyed would tell the police if

:51:22.:51:25.

they thought someone was involved with supporters of terrorism in

:51:26.:51:29.

Syria? Well, it is pretty alarming, isn't it? We know if we are going to

:51:30.:51:35.

tackle that kind of activity, it is going to be because somebody who

:51:36.:51:42.

knows, informs the authorities and the person involved is apprehended,

:51:43.:51:46.

talked to about what they are trying to do and so on. I think what we

:51:47.:51:52.

understand by this most British Muslims, who do not support violence

:51:53.:51:54.

by the way, a very small proportion. They will go to an

:51:55.:52:13.

imam and persuade the person out of this kind of activity, but the other

:52:14.:52:19.

reason which is something they have to worry more about, they feel they

:52:20.:52:23.

themselves if they come forward to the police or to the authorities may

:52:24.:52:28.

become suspect, suspect and they will be treated as such I think that

:52:29.:52:32.

is an issue we could do something about and we need to worry about.

:52:33.:52:38.

Trevor Phillips says we rarely here from the average British Muslim.

:52:39.:52:40.

Let's do that just now. I can now speak to Surfaraz Mustafa

:52:41.:52:42.

from South London who is currently sitting his A levels,

:52:43.:52:45.

Jahangir Mohammed who lives in Manchester and runs his own

:52:46.:52:47.

consultancy firm and Madiha Hussain from West London who owns an organic

:52:48.:52:50.

whole foods business. Thank you very much for joining us.

:52:51.:52:59.

What do you think about the claim that there is a nation within a

:53:00.:53:05.

nation? Firstly, I believe that religion

:53:06.:53:08.

should be used as a means of spreading love and compassion in

:53:09.:53:11.

society rather than to spread hatred. I am happy to hear 8 # % of

:53:12.:53:17.

Muslims feel they are at home in this nation. I don't think there is

:53:18.:53:20.

really a nation within a nation. I feel that if we continue to bring up

:53:21.:53:26.

surveys, targeting Muslims then we could end up seeing what we really

:53:27.:53:30.

went to see and we will start making up our own statements and

:53:31.:53:34.

integration is just a part of Islam, it is an extension of my of my body.

:53:35.:53:39.

I feel that being Muslim and being British there is no incompatibility

:53:40.:53:43.

whatsoever. What do you think about the statistics that this survey has

:53:44.:53:48.

thrown up like 47% not believing it is acceptable for a schoolteacher to

:53:49.:53:57.

be homosexual? 52% not believing homosexuality should be legal in

:53:58.:54:02.

Britain? And also the statistic that only 34% of people surveyed would

:54:03.:54:07.

tell police they someone they knew were involved with supporters of

:54:08.:54:11.

terrorism in Syria? Islam is a religion of compassion and love.

:54:12.:54:15.

There should be no hatred towards any other citizen whatever they

:54:16.:54:20.

choose to believe. That's just completely against Islam and what

:54:21.:54:23.

Islam truly stands for. Secondly, in regards to telling the police, I

:54:24.:54:27.

think, it is the responsibility of the Government and the authorities

:54:28.:54:31.

to ensure that its citizens are safe and secondly, that youth are

:54:32.:54:35.

choosing not to go and join Isis. However, on the other hand, we have

:54:36.:54:40.

seen in the past that now and again, certain incidents are blown out of

:54:41.:54:45.

proportion and we find that the backlash is quite heavy and it's not

:54:46.:54:50.

proportionate at all and it is not right. So I think that one can

:54:51.:54:55.

understand as to why some Muslims may feel it is better to try and

:54:56.:55:01.

handle the situation first, however I do believe it is the authority's

:55:02.:55:11.

job and the police and they should be aware of any people who have

:55:12.:55:14.

these ideas as we are not what we stand for. What do you think about

:55:15.:55:22.

the survey? Obviously some of the results, you don't need a survey to

:55:23.:55:29.

tell you that a religiously inclined community whether Muslim, Jewish,

:55:30.:55:34.

Hindu or Sikh has particularly conservative attitudes towards sex

:55:35.:55:37.

and marriage and some other things. I think that what concerns me is the

:55:38.:55:42.

spin and the commentary around the survey which has been presented in a

:55:43.:55:48.

way which suits the current political narrative and it is

:55:49.:55:53.

dangerous and Britain is not, Muslims are not a nation within a

:55:54.:55:59.

nation. Britain itself is, you know, a nation of communities. We have

:56:00.:56:03.

different communities. If you surveyed for example the Catholic

:56:04.:56:08.

community, you would find, there would be some strong views on sex,

:56:09.:56:16.

adultery, contraception, abortion, equally within the Jewish community

:56:17.:56:20.

you would find similar views to the Muslim community and the Christian

:56:21.:56:24.

community as a whole on homosexuality. This is dangerous.

:56:25.:56:30.

But also, some of these attitudes that are reflected and some of the

:56:31.:56:35.

problems that have been talked about in talk of parallel lives and

:56:36.:56:40.

segregation, there is a whole history behind racism and the

:56:41.:56:46.

evolution of communities, minority communities in this country. Now, I

:56:47.:56:50.

would expect a former head of the equalities commission to have put

:56:51.:56:56.

quite a bit of context into for example the issues around housing

:56:57.:57:02.

and... I have to interrupt you. We're short on time. What's your

:57:03.:57:12.

view? Well, I'm a born British Muslim living in this country and I

:57:13.:57:17.

feel like some of these polls that are thrown up, Muslims, I agree they

:57:18.:57:23.

are dangerous topics to be thrown out at Muslims. Being a British

:57:24.:57:28.

Muslim you don't really feel like you know there is any judgement on,

:57:29.:57:33.

you know, people, you know, practising their, you know, sexual

:57:34.:57:36.

preference or any of those things and I just, I just feel that you

:57:37.:57:42.

know, these things, I just feel that we should be looking at what Muslims

:57:43.:57:48.

are about. We are about peace and we are about trying to make this world

:57:49.:57:52.

a better place, but that's not really targeted ever like at the

:57:53.:57:57.

looking at that subject. So I just feel that some of these polls

:57:58.:58:01.

misconstrued a lot of what our beliefs are and it is a shame

:58:02.:58:04.

because you get these small amount of people that are very uneducated

:58:05.:58:09.

and they start, you know, throwing out all these ideologies and then

:58:10.:58:13.

they just get really hyped up by the media. We're out of time. Thank you

:58:14.:58:16.

so much. Thank you for your company this

:58:17.:58:31.

morning. Victoria is back tomorrow. I will

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