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It's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria. | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
Our top story this morning: Now that David Cameron has | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
published his tax returns, pressure mounts on other senior | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
Chancellor George Osborne may do so in the next few days. | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
But is it enough to draw a line under the row | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
about David Cameron's financial affairs? | :00:27. | :00:37. | |
Also on the programme: Abused by Jimmy Savile. | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
One woman and her partner tell us their story. | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
He knew that I had been abused the years. We have our own little gang, | :00:42. | :00:52. | |
your eyes go down to the floor, your body language of hold yourself, you | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
are quite tense, and they know that. And an American mother says | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
she faces deportation because her British husband of nine | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
years earns less than ?18,600. We'll talk to her before | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
the end of the programme. We're live until 11 | :01:05. | :01:19. | |
every weekday morning. Later in the programme we'll talk | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
about a survey which suggests more than half of British Muslims think | :01:24. | :01:33. | |
homosexuality should be illegal. The former head of the Equality | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips, says | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
British Muslims are increasingly Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
we're talking about this morning. And if you text, you will be charged | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
at the standard network rate. And don't forget if you've | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
got a story you think we should be covering, | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
do send it to us. Some of our best stories come | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
from you, our viewers. The BBC has learned | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
that the Chancellor, George Osborne, may publish his tax | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
returns in the next few days. It comes as David Cameron will today | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
face MPs for the first time since the leaking | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
of the Panama Papers which exposed the extent to which offshore | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
companies are used to hide money Mr Cameron will announce plans | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
to create a new criminal offence committed by companies that fail | :02:20. | :02:28. | |
to do enough to stop staff With us now is our political guru | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
Norman Smith at Westminster. Norman, the politicians falling over | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
themselves to publish their tax returns? The tax bandwagon is | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
rolling, and it is picking up speed. We have already seen the Prime | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
Minister Forster publishes tax returns, and now it seems the | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Chancellor is likely to do so within the next few days, although his | :02:50. | :03:00. | |
aides stress that his tax affairs are simple. | :03:01. | :03:13. | |
Ministers are demanding that all Cabinet Ministers disclose whether | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
they have benefited from an offshore fund. | :03:19. | :04:23. | |
How far should tax disclosure go? Should it go to journalists like you | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
and me, too? Should we have today close our tax affairs? Some in | :04:28. | :04:34. | |
Westminster are nervous that this is becoming far too all-encompassing, | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
and that is the view of the Lib leader, Tim Farron. If we or issue | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
our tax returns, I think if people did that, that is up to them, but I | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
am worried that what you end up with is a witchhunt of individuals, | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
rather than tackling the bigger picture, so what the Liberal | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
Democrats want to see happen is a general anti-avoidance rule, | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
something we push for in coalition. It is not what we needed. We will | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
get more of this in the Commons when the Prime Minister will be making a | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
statement about tax, but also taken Rhys Jones about his own personal | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
tax affairs, and I am told he is quite willing to take quite detailed | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
questions on his specific tax arrangements. ISA I have to say mine | :05:18. | :05:27. | |
would be thunderously dull if I ever have published them! | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
Over to the BBC Newsroom for more on that and a summary | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
Maxine is in the newsroom. Good morning, everybody. | :05:36. | :05:45. | |
The former defence secretary Liam Fox has called for those | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
campaigning to leave the European Union to be allowed | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
to include their views in the controversial EU referendum | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
leaflet that's being mailed to households across the UK. | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
The document, which will set out the Government's case | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
for staying in the EU, is costing the taxpayer nine million | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
pounds, and the first batches will be delivered to households | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
MPs campaigning to leave are also expected to call in Parliament today | :06:02. | :06:17. | |
for changes to the Finance Bill, to secure an extra ?9 million | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
in funding for their campaign to compensate. | :06:23. | :06:23. | |
More than 200,000 members of the public have signed a petition | :06:24. | :06:26. | |
demanding the mailing is cancelled altogether. | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
A deal that would safeguard the future of the Tata steelworks | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
in Scunthorpe is expected to be signed today. | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
It's thought the investment firm, Greybull Capital, | :06:33. | :06:34. | |
will announce the sale, following nine months | :06:35. | :06:35. | |
Also today, Tata is also expected to begin the formal | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
process of selling the rest of its loss-making UK plants. | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
If the Scunthorpe deal is approved, it will secure about 4,000 jobs. | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
It is massive, and secures the future for Scunthorpe, our | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
communities, the Scunthorpe workforce, we are talking up to | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
40,000 jobs saved, a community that can carry on, the council still | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
receiving their taxes to pay their workers, it is massive for the town. | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
Around 7,000 pupils in Edinburgh will not be | :07:10. | :07:11. | |
able to return to school from the holidays today | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
because of concerns that school buildings may | :07:15. | :07:15. | |
17 schools have been closed until further notice. | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
It was checks at this school, Oxgang's Primary, on Friday, | :07:19. | :07:28. | |
which led to concerns that there might be a wider problem. | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
One official said that the standard of construction was completely | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
That discovery means that there is concern about other | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
schools built by the same company, Miller Construction, as part | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
The lateness of the decision on Friday to the following Monday | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
means alternative arrangements had not yet been put in place. | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
We were told earlier in the week it would be open, | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
and then to find out on Friday that it is not is a nightmare, | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
because we don't have child-care options. | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
My concern is if they move them to another school, | :08:01. | :08:02. | |
Scotland's Education Secretary Angela Constance has now told | :08:03. | :08:26. | |
councils across the country to carry out whatever checks they think | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
are necessary to make sure that their schools are safe. | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
This is a hugely embarrassing and difficult situation | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
Apart from anything else it causes problems for pupils sitting exams | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
The council's case simply that safety has to come first. | :08:37. | :08:54. | |
Nearly a quarter of children referred to specialist mental health | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
services in England are turned away, according to a report. | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
The research also found wide variations in average waiting times | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
for young people to receive treatment, ranging from | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
It was produced by Centre Forum, an education | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
The writer and convicted drug smuggler, Howard Marks, | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
He came to prominence for his best-selling memoir | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
It was published in 1996, a year after he was released | :09:15. | :09:22. | |
He served seven years of a 25 year jail sentence for drugs offences. | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
A petition urging the Home Office not to deport an American woman | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
living in the UK has been signed by over 1,000 people. | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
has been refused a visa because her British husband Dominic, | :09:36. | :09:44. | |
a self-employed bike dealer, earns less than ?18,600 a year. | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
The couple have a daughter, Madeleine, aged two. | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
Mrs James said she has been ordered to leave by 16 April | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
The Home Office says all applications are considered | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
on individual merit, in line with immigration rules. | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
And we'll be talking to the James family at about 10:40. | :09:58. | :10:06. | |
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will pay their respects | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
to the Indian republic's founding father, Mahatma Gandhi, | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
when their tour of India and Bhutan takes them to New Delhi today. | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
Yesterday they attended a glittering Bollywood gala dinner. | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
Our Royal Correspondent Nicholas Witchell's report | :10:18. | :10:18. | |
At a gala dinner organised by the British High Commission | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
for Bollywood's stars and Indian business leaders, Williams spoke | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
When Catherine and I were married, India was the first place | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
on Catherine's list that she told me she wanted to visit. | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
Two children and five years later, we have finally made it. | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
They have come to India to experience something | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
They have already seen one of the slum areas of Mumbai. | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
Today they will see the other side of the city, the high-tech | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
community which is a centre for young entrepreneurs. | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
And then they will travel to New Delhi to lay a wreath | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
at India's main war memorial, a reminder of Indian sacrifice | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
There will be a visit to the home of India's founding father, | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
Mahatma Gandhi, and a reception at the British High Commission. | :11:14. | :11:23. | |
That reception in Delhi is to mark the Queen's 90th birthday, | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
which falls on Thursday of next week. | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
William is expected to make a speech, and pay tribute | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
The global population of wild tigers has increased for the first time in | :11:31. | :11:46. | |
more than a century. It is gone up to nearly 4000 today. The | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
environmental organisation is attributing the rise to better | :11:52. | :11:53. | |
conservation efforts in countries such as India and Russia. That is a | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
summary of the latest BBC News. I will have more from you at half past | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
nine. Now back to Joanna. In the next few minutes, we will hear Sam's | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
story. She was abused by Jimmy Savile from the age of 11 to 14 of | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
Stoke Mandeville Hospital. She lived with that abuse of years before | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
coming forward after his death to report it. Now she says she is on a | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
mission to have a voice of everyone who isn't strong enough to have | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
their own voice. Do stay with us for that interview. But if you have your | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
own experience of abuse, do get in touch with us. Now let's catch up | :12:30. | :12:38. | |
with the sport. Olly Foster has news of those amazing scenes at Augusta | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
with Danny Willett's win. Could not go to bed! I planned on | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
going to bed early, but when Jordan Spieth started hitting it into the | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
water, you had to wait to see what was going to happen. Danny Willett | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
says he simply cannot believe that his name will now be on the roll of | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
mock Masters champions. -- the roll call of Masters champions. Reigning | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
champion Jordan Spieth blow up on the back nine, threw away a five | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
shot lead, and will Danny Willett had nerves of steel. Adam Wilde | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
reports. It is one of golf's | :13:19. | :13:31. | |
most exclusive clubs. Danny Willett from Sheffield | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
is now its newest member. In truth, few at | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
Augusta expected it. The American Jordan Spieth led | :13:36. | :13:37. | |
from start to finish last year. It seemed he was destined | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
to do it again. Moving further and further ahead, | :13:41. | :13:42. | |
surely no one could catch him. But a few were beginning | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
to get close. Danny Willett was now | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
leading the chase. Louis Oosthuizen's hole in one was | :13:50. | :14:03. | |
perhaps the most remarkable shot. Cheers of delight, but soon stifled | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
with gasps of disbelief. Jordan Spieth brought down to earth with a | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
bump and then a splash, twice into the water at the 12th, his lead | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
evaporated. COMMENTATOR: Jordan Spieth is | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
sinking without trace at the Masters. This is extraordinary. | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
Danny Willett just had to hold his nerve before heading back to the | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
clubhouse for an anxious wait and a quick word with family back home. | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
There was no need for any of them to worry. Jordan Spieth had no answer. | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
I hope I have done them proud, and not just because of the golf, but | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
because of the person I have become and what we're trying to do the | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
game. I am sure they are back home now, maybe shedding a little tear. | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
Just the second Englishman to where the famous green jacket, quite some | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
souvenir to take home. Danny Willett was being faded at | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
Augusta, his Peter was the toast on Twitter. He | :15:06. | :15:15. | |
added his own unique take on what was happening... Here is one of them | :15:16. | :15:16. | |
we can actually showed you... And here is one from the Prime | :15:17. | :15:42. | |
Minister... The previous one from Sir Nick Faldo. | :15:43. | :15:51. | |
Jordan Spieth had his Devon Loch moment last night. Leicester City | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
fans will be keeping everything crossed they do not have theirs. | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
Seven points clear at the top of the Premier League, five matches to | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
play, winning 2-0 at Sunderland. Jamie Vardy scoring twice. Ten | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
points clear for a couple of hours, closest challengers Spurs beat Man | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
United 3-0 in the Late Kick Off. United's defeat mean Leicester are | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
guaranteed Champions League football next season. Strange to say, they | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
are going to be aiming a lot higher than that over the next few weeks. I | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
will be back with the headlines after 9:30am and after 10am, we will | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
hopefully chat to Danny Willett! Fabulous. I cannot wait and I am | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
sure Green is his favourite colour. Yes, and it does not make you look | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
fat at all. In the weeks after the death | :16:43. | :16:44. | |
of Jimmy Savile - the nation was shocked by the horrific | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
revelations of sexual abuse As momentum built, thousands | :16:48. | :16:49. | |
of people came forward to report abuse they had | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
suffered in the past - With the scale of the abuse | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
apparent, questions were then asked about why none of this had been | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
exposed during his life. Tonight in a documentary on the BBC, | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
some of those people speak out about their abuse for the first | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
time, and the impact that coming forward has had on them | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
and their families. It was in secret, it was shame. | :17:10. | :17:28. | |
Wasn't it? You were ashamed of it. It went through my mind, should I | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
tell my wife? Do you know what happened? Not completely, no. You | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
think, you have the marriage, the French, and all of a sudden there is | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
this great big world that you did not know about. -- the friendship. | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
For decades, there was a secret at the heart of British life. I don't | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
think I told you for years. I know, and you still haven't told me fully | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
and I don't want to have that in my head. It lay hidden in our biggest | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
institutions... And with an ordinary family... She told me not to tell | :18:08. | :18:18. | |
anybody. I wiped it... Wiped it from my memory entirely. For how long? 46 | :18:19. | :18:28. | |
years. But when the truth about one man was revealed... The nation was | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
forced to examine its past... And the secret was out. I am not | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
ashamed. This is my face. This is what I look like. I have done | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
nothing wrong. These are the people who broke their silence and changed | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
a nation. The documentary looks | :18:54. | :19:03. | |
at the watershed moment created by Savile's death, | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
and why so many people chose at that After Savile, the Crown Prosecution | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
Service accepted mistakes had been made, and it was forced | :19:09. | :19:15. | |
to change the way it dealt Tonight's documentary also | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
follows the story of Katy, who says she was sexually abused | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
when she was nine. Now an adult, she has pressed | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
charges, and must go to court to be This is how she reacted. | :19:26. | :19:43. | |
Nearly five years since first going to the police, Katie is going to be | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
cross-examined by the defence who will challenge her version of | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
events. I don't think anybody would relish or enjoy someone questioning | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
their reliability, they are going to try and save the witnesses telling | :19:57. | :20:04. | |
lies. I have got to go, goodbye. Goodbye, darling. We all love you. | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
We love you. See you shortly. See you soon. I love you. It is the fear | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
they have had all their lives that no one will believe them. It is | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
playing to their biggest fears. You are going to be fine. | :20:22. | :20:40. | |
She said that you grew ten feet. You did, you grew ten feet! What do | :20:41. | :21:01. | |
victims say it is like? More often than not they say I will never do | :21:02. | :21:03. | |
that again. Yes... The jury will deliver its verdict | :21:04. | :21:26. | |
tomorrow. We can speak now to SAM Brown | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
and her husband Jim who appear in tonight's documentary - | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
Sam was abused by Jimmy Savile and reported him to the police | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
after his death. Some of the details of this | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
conversation will be upsetting and you may not want young children | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
to hear everything we talk about. Thank you both somewhat coming in. | :21:42. | :21:53. | |
You were abused by Jimmy Savile for several years. Yes. You did not talk | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
about it for a long time. Take us back to how you first met him and | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
what happened. I used to go to a chapel in Stoke Mandeville Hospital | :22:06. | :22:07. | |
for evening mass on the Saturday night. And a couple of times a month | :22:08. | :22:15. | |
he would be at chapel. I used to go into the presbytery room and collect | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
the plate, the collection plate. While I was in there collecting my | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
plate and waiting for the right time in the service, he used to do what | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
he wanted to do with me while the door was open. While you could see | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
the congregation. And that would last for as many minutes until the | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
service was at the right time and I would go past the plate around, come | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
back in, put the plate down and go and sit back in church. You were | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
only actually alone with him for a matter of minutes. Yes, five minutes | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
each time. And you and he were obviously very aware of other people | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
out there. How did he behave? He was always very confident. I used to | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
collect the plate, turn around and stand and look at everybody while | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
mass was going on and on that time, I used to look at everybody and I | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
used to shut down any of my feelings or anything that was going on while | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
he would do what he wanted to do. Did he speak to you? No, he never | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
really spoke to me. He would put his hands around my face and sometimes | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
his fingers into my mouth which obviously would silence me. And... | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
Make me realise that I had no choice. In what was happening. In | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
all that time, he would do whatever he wanted to do with me with his | :23:50. | :23:56. | |
hands. Do you feel he sort you out. Yes. It was clear to him... Because | :23:57. | :24:03. | |
I already had had a lot of abuse, I knew, I think, that we all have a | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
certain stance that we take, our body language is quite blatant to | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
somebody who is an abuser. So we are kind of easy to pick, you know, we | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
are eyes down, head down, closed... Show no emotion on an basis. -- on | :24:24. | :24:32. | |
our faces. It is apparent to those who are good to see us. You had been | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
abused by your grandfather. That is right. By the time Southall had got | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
to me I was really well primed for that. I was an easy pick. For Jimmy | :24:45. | :24:53. | |
Savile. That is a picture of you there as a child. We can just see | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
it, if you look behind you. Look at yourself as a child. Yes... What did | :25:01. | :25:08. | |
you think? Did you have a childhood? I did not. I spent my childhood | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
hiding, scared of everything. I used to hide under cupboards, under | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
tables, I could not have an education because I was too afraid | :25:20. | :25:27. | |
of everything, life. I missed out on my childhood, an my whole life | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
because I felt nothing. Everybody else remembers stuff about their | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
childhood, I remember nothing other than pain. And sadness. And | :25:38. | :25:46. | |
loneliness. And you couldn't put a voice to it? I did not have a voice. | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
When you as a person... Or stripped and taken you have taken no voice. I | :25:53. | :25:59. | |
was taught not to have a voice, I was taught not to show my emotions, | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
I was taught not to trust anybody. My grandad was a policeman... Who | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
did I go to? My grandad was my mother's father, could I go to my | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
mum and tell her that her dad was abusing me, could I go to the | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
police, he was a policeman. My teachers at school hurt me. When you | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
say, they hurt you. Not sexually, but they would hit my head against a | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
wall phone I could not remember tables, things like that... I | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
suppose, for an adult to deal with the child who has nothing, no | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
emotions, no reactions... Must be kind of hard for them. So nobody | :26:46. | :26:52. | |
understands you. Because you are a nothing person, I was a nothing | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
child. My mum always said I was a good child, a good, quiet child. I | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
was a good, quiet child because I had frozen. You had a child when you | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
were still a child, 15, you fell pregnant. She saved my life. I was | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
in hospital with an overdose at 15 and that is how I found out I was | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
pregnant with my eldest and she saved my life because I know I would | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
not have been here. From 12, I tried to kill myself time and time again, | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
put myself in situations that were sold dangerous so I did not have to | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
get up and carry on. I did not want life. But at 15, I found out I was | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
pregnant and I wanted life. That was the moment things changed. Yes, you | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
did not ever expect to love a man but then Jim came into my life. It | :27:47. | :27:53. | |
was funny, I did not even have them feelings for any man, ever, to be | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
honest. But Jim was so kind, he worked for my mum and dad and he | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
built a relationship with Gemma which... Because she was mine, she | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
was just mine. But I watched him with her and... She was probably | :28:09. | :28:19. | |
three... Five? Gradually, the two of you created a new life but inside | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
you, your past was still there. You were coping. I had to cope, because | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
I had a family, other people to look after. It is easy to look after | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
other people, not to look after yourself. What happened when Jimmy | :28:35. | :28:42. | |
Savile died, suddenly... I was in the gymnasium one day, because I had | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
got really heavy covering myself with fat so that no one could say | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
you look attractive or nice, my son help me with that, I went to the gym | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
one day, and one of the trainers, and older guy, very white hair and a | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
beard, he came in and put his arm on my shoulder and I could not move, I | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
was on a machine. I could not move, I could not think, I felt like I | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
could not breathe, I could not move from the treadmill and the other guy | :29:10. | :29:17. | |
helped me off and because his picture was everywhere, it was in | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
the paper, everyone was talking about it, I was walking past people | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
in the street saying these are money diggers... They are making it up, it | :29:26. | :29:33. | |
was so... There was no, for me, being able to lock things away, was | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
the way I coped, being able to put it in a box and put it in a place, | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
that was the way I could cope but I had no option because his image was | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
everywhere and I could not cope and it stopped me living. I left the gym | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
and I went to the police station and I spoke to the police about him and | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
my grandfather. Because I was being crippled. And when did you first | :29:58. | :30:05. | |
speak to gym about it? I cannot really remember, apparently I | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
mentioned years ago... To be quite honest, we have never really had a | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
conversation where she has talked. It's something in the back of my | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
head, I know it has happened and we sort of tried to deal with it as a | :30:21. | :30:28. | |
couple. There was no... I'd do not really want to know the ins and | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
outs, I can imagine it, but I don't really want to be told, I don't | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
think Sam personally wants to tell me either. But we tried to get, we | :30:37. | :30:42. | |
go through day-to-day. As best we can. Is it hard for you, | :30:43. | :30:50. | |
realising... You obviously knew that Sam had been through difficult | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
times, was it hard for you to realise quite what she had been | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
through? Yes, for a normal person, anyway, I don't mean that this | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
respectfully, but for the person who hasn't been abused, they cannot | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
imagine, you cannot imagine... I don't think you perceive it, the act | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
of what it is. And I think that is where most of us struggle. | :31:18. | :31:26. | |
Once you had had that conversation with the police, and words were | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
coming out of your mouth that you had never voiced, did it then | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
becomes easy to talk about it? It is way more easy to talk to a stranger, | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
because I think my family and my friends and my husband, to give that | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
pain to their heads isn't nice. How did you still yourself to do | :31:48. | :32:08. | |
that? I have to... I know... I'm crying now, and I don't mean to cry, | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
and I don't want to cry, but further this to be changed, for this to have | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
the secrecy and the shame taken away from it, it needs to be spoken out | :32:20. | :32:28. | |
loud, because why we are feeling our shame, and feeling... Being taught | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
to say nothing, nothing is happening. Nobody wants to listen | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
and nobody wants to listen because we are not being forceful enough | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
with our choice of words. And I need to talk, because I don't want more | :32:45. | :32:53. | |
people, adults, kids, anybody, having to find their way through | :32:54. | :33:01. | |
life inside dead. I don't want that. You talk about shame, and everybody | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
would say you should absolutely feel no shame. But you do. It is my | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
shame, because why didn't I turn around and say, get off me, I don't | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
like this? Why didn't I do that? Why didn't I say to somebody else, you | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
need to help me, because this is not right? Therefore I have done | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
something wrong, and that is what it feels like. Have you been able to | :33:27. | :33:33. | |
overcome that? Yes. I know it is not my shame, but it still feels my | :33:34. | :33:43. | |
shame. Have of your family been? Fantastic. I family are fantastic, | :33:44. | :33:50. | |
but it wasn't until I enabled them to be fantastic, and that was really | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
hard. Having to say to them, listen, I'm not having a good day, but women | :33:56. | :34:02. | |
are strong, and men. To admit to somebody else that you are really | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
having a hard time is hard, because it is weakness, because you are | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
taught not to do it, it is so against... Me showing emotion is so | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
against how I was brought up. I was brought up to show no emotion, not | :34:20. | :34:26. | |
to be weak. This goes against every rule for me, this crying. But my | :34:27. | :34:35. | |
family have been great, when I have been honest and said, I need help, | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
I'm not having a great day, they have been there, but I didn't give | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
them the opportunity years ago when I should have done to support me, | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
because I couldn't find the right words to ask for that help. It is | :34:46. | :34:56. | |
tricksy. Helen has texted to say, well done to this brave lady, it is | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
wonderful to hear a strong voice for the victims, I myself have made lots | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
of changes, keep up your strength. And an anonymous text, I was abused | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
from the age of four by my stepfather for nine years, it never | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
goes away, you have flashbacks, mental health issues and you | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
generally don't feel worth anything all of your life. These men still | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
think it doesn't matter, kids forget, but we don't. Esther says, a | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
heartbreaking story, I can't imagine the bravery it takes to come forward | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
and discuss sexual abuse. Linda says, absolutely heartbreaking, may | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
he rot in hell, no forgiveness. When you see pictures of him now, how do | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
you feel? I don't know. I try not to look, to be honest. When the report | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
came out, I couldn't watch it when it was on the news, because half of | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
it was yourself speaking, and the rest of the screen was filled with | :35:54. | :36:01. | |
his picture, so... I don't like to look. I want to listen, but that is | :36:02. | :36:14. | |
just too disgusting for me. Thank you for talking to us. We will be | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
talking again after the news, and we will also be talking to other people | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
who have been involved in the aftermath, the watershed ad is -- as | :36:26. | :36:34. | |
it is being called, it came to prominence after his death, so do | :36:35. | :36:35. | |
stay with us for that. Now let's catch up with the days | :36:36. | :36:44. | |
news, Maxine is in the newsroom. Joanna, thank you for stop good | :36:45. | :36:45. | |
morning. The BBC has learned | :36:46. | :36:47. | |
that the Chancellor, George Osborne, may publish his tax returns | :36:48. | :36:49. | |
in the next few days. It comes as David Cameron will today | :36:50. | :36:51. | |
face MPs for the first time since the leaking of | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
the Panama Papers which exposed the extent to which offshore | :36:55. | :36:56. | |
companies are used to hide money Mr Cameron will announce plans | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
to create a new criminal offence committed by companies that fail | :37:00. | :37:13. | |
to do enough to stop staff helping Caesar's wife must be above | :37:14. | :37:21. | |
suspicion, and if you are managing the countries affairs and voting on | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
them, then the electorate want to know that you're doing it properly | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
and appropriately. I think it is a pity we have lost privacy, but it is | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
politicians' fault because we lost the trust of the public over the | :37:34. | :37:34. | |
expenses affair. The former Defence Secretary Liam | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
Fox has called for those campaigning to leave the European Union to be | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
allowed to include their views in the controversial EU referendum | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
leaflet that's being mailed The document, which will set out | :37:44. | :37:45. | |
the Government's case for staying in the EU, | :37:46. | :38:02. | |
is costing the taxpayer ?9 million and the first batches will be | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
delivered to households MPs campaigning to leave are also | :38:06. | :38:07. | |
expected to call in parliament today for changes to the Finance Bill, | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
to secure an extra nine-million in funding for their | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
campaign to compensate. More than 200,000 members | :38:15. | :38:15. | |
of the public have signed a petition demanding the mailing | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
is cancelled altogether. A deal that would safeguard | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
the future of the Tata steelworks in Scunthorpe is expected | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
to be signed today. It's thought the investment | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
firm, Greybull Capital, will announce the sale, | :38:26. | :38:27. | |
following nine months Also today, Tata is also | :38:28. | :38:28. | |
expected to begin the formal process of selling the rest | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
of its loss-making UK plants. If the Scunthorpe deal is approved, | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
it will secure about 4,000 jobs. The global population of wild tigers | :38:37. | :38:55. | |
has gone up from an estimated 3220 ten to nearly 4000 today. The | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
environment organisation is attributing the rise to better | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
conservation efforts in countries such as India and Russia. That is a | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
summary of the latest BBC News. I will have more for you at ten. Now | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
back to Joanna. Begu, Maxine. Let's catch up with | :39:13. | :39:18. | |
the sport, and Olly Foster has the details. Sheffield's Danny Willett | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
is the Masters champion. He finished three shots clear of his compatriot | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
Lee Westwood, and is the first British player to win at Augusta in | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
20 years. The reigning champion Jordan Speith throw away a five shot | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
lead with nine to play. Leicester City are still seven points clear at | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
the top of the Premier League after beating Sunderland 2-0. Jamie Vardy | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
scored both goals. They are guaranteed Champions League football | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
next season, because fifth placed Manchester United lost to Tottenham | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
3-0. With five games to play, Spurs are still Leicester's nearest | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
challengers. And it has been a great week for Rangers, after promotion to | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
the Scottish Premiership yesterday they won the Challenge Cup against | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
Peterhead 4-0. They face Celtic next weekend. I'm back after ten with | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
that chat with Danny Willett's parents, I hope. Thank you very | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
much, Olly Foster. Let's go back to our conversation about historical | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
sex abuse and the watershed moment it created for victims of child | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
sexual abuse. Jenna has e-mailed to say, I have never written to show | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
before, but I felt I really wanted to say how amazing the lady is. Sam | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
is it with this talking to us about her past. She wishes you all the | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
best for the future. Sam and Jim still with us,. | :40:44. | :40:57. | |
Also with us is Alison Levitt QC who worked for the Crown Prosecution | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
Service at the time of Savile's death as well as Andy Connolly, | :41:02. | :41:03. | |
a counsellor for survivors of sexual abuse, and Louise Exton | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
The death of Jimmy Savile is being talked about as a watershed moment | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
for people like you and others in encouraging people to come forward. | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
Does it feel that way to you? The best thing to come out of him is the | :41:14. | :41:20. | |
fact that there has been so many people have spoken out, asked for | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
help and told their people they love, that is the positive out of | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
all of this. Louise, when the allegations first started to emerge | :41:34. | :41:35. | |
after the death of Jimmy Savile, what happened? Certainly far as the | :41:36. | :41:44. | |
helpline at NSPCC, we saw a huge increase in contact from adults who | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
wanted to talk about their experiences in childhood, many of | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
whom had never had spoken to anybody about it, whether that was family or | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
professionals, they had never told anybody. And it really enabled them | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
to come forward and talk about what happened to them and start to deal | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
with some of those feelings and understand that it wasn't their | :42:05. | :42:06. | |
fault and they shouldn't be feeling ashamed for what happened. So much | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
of what Sam has been saying there was echoed by the people that we | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
spoke to at the time who had very similar feelings that they now felt | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
able to come forward and talk about. Were you surprised that so mini | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
people were coming forward? I don't know that we were surprised that | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
there were so many people who had had those experiences. I think | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
obviously the scale of what it unlocked was unexpected to us to | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
some extent. The fact that that one moment was so significant in | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
allowing people to come forward, I think was really important. Andy, it | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
unlocked people's silence, didn't it? Or at least the silence for | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
many. How does it impact on somebody when they have something they felt | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
they could live with, but clearly it has caused them all sorts of issues, | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
and then they have managed to finally speak out about it? I think | :43:05. | :43:11. | |
it can be really devastating. Many people who've experienced abuse, | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
their way of coping will be to kind of repress those memories or to put | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
them at the back of their mind. And then we talk about triggers to | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
disclosing, that often is with the death of the abuser or the break-up | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
of a relationship or something like that, and in this case, I think many | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
people were potentially triggered by something that was so outside of | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
their control, it was really a massive thing, and it is a massive | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
thing to come forward and talk about it, it is a very vulnerable position | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
to be in. And the trigger fee was a traumatic one, when his picture was | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
everywhere and people were talking about the same thing that happened | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
to you. Had you fairly successfully been able to live with feelings in a | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
box until then? Yes, I had. But everybody that knew me, I was really | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
good at being a normal person, functioning well, but I did all of | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
my functioning dead inside. Alison, after Jimmy Savile died, your job | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
was to look at whether anyone had actually spoken out in his lifetime, | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
and what happened if that had been the case. Tell us what you | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
uncovered. We knew that there were four complaints made when he was | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
still alive, and a decision had been made that there was insufficient | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
evidence to prosecute him. I was asked to look at those decisions and | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
see whether they were right or not. It took awhile. Those things had to | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
be unpicked, but as I did so, I had a growing sense of horror, really, | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
that I knew that the decisions were wrong, the complaints that had been | :44:55. | :44:56. | |
made were obviously credible, but in the case of each of them, what each | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
of them said was, I don't want to do this if it's just about me. And what | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
undoubtably well-meaning police officers, and that in the way is the | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
sadness of it, very well-meaning investigators took the decision not | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
to tell them that there were others because of the risk of, I think, | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
contaminating the evidence. And when I spoke to each of the victims | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
after, as part of my investigation, each of them said to me, had they | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
known there had been others, they might have been prepared, would have | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
been prepared to support a prosecution, and I wanted to ask | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
Sam, we have all been amazingly touched by listening to what she | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
says, and very admiring of your ability to find your voice and say, | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
I will not be silenced by this. If you had known when Jimmy Savile was | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
alive that there were other victims who might have been prepared to say | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
something, might it have made a difference to you? It would have | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
made a massive difference to me. Because people in my position think | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
it is just them. What you think might have happened? De think you | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
might have said something? I do, yes, I do think I would have said | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
something. I find that a terrible sadness, and it makes me angry, it | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
makes me determined that we really have to do something about this and | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
to help women like Sam, men as well, there are men out there who were | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
abused, to find a voice and say that they will not be made to keep quiet. | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
And your report did lead to an overhaul the way situations will be | :46:31. | :46:37. | |
handled in the future? We saw a number of parallels, it wasn't just | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
cases involving well-known people like Jimmy Savile, but there were | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
similarities in the way for example the child grooming cases in Rochdale | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
and Rotherham, similar sorts of issues had arisen there. Where for | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
example, the police would rather than looking at the credibility of | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
the complaint that was being made, they were looking at the character | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
of the person making it and if they thought that person is not going to | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
be very believable, they have been drinking, they have been taking | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
drugs, they have been children in dare, they have been truanting. | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
There is another issue about repeat victimisation and Sam touched on | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
this. We know through research that people who are victims of sexual | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
abuse are likely to have been victims on repeat occasions. And | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
yet, many people think that common sense says, "Oh well, if you have | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
made a complaint before and it wasn't taken forward, it means you | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
are lying. Lightening doesn't strike twice." That's a myth that the | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
Criminal Justice System are trying to eradicate from our thinking. Do | :47:41. | :47:43. | |
you think the conspiracy of silence ends because of what has happened | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
here, people speaking out and it will lead to a child potentially | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
like Sam, who thought she was the only person out there, realising, it | :47:52. | :47:58. | |
is something that's out there. Do things change materially going | :47:59. | :48:01. | |
forward? I wouldn't say that things changed that significantly. I mean, | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
they have improved, but talking about the myths around sexual abuse | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
and rape, at Survivors UK we work with male victims of sexual abuse | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
and sexual violence and there are so many myths that go around that | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
people really invest in and believe in, things like that, you know, this | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
doesn't happen to men at all first of all or that men can take care of | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
themselves, men can protect themselves and that can really get | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
internalised by the survivors, why wasn't I able to protect myself? Why | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
wasn't I able to stop this? A common myth that arises this relation to | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
trials of these things, if the victim has no injuries then members | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
of the public, who have never been in this situation which may include | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
jurors would say, "If someone attacked me like this, I would have | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
fought back." What they don't realise the freeze response may set | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
in and you maybe incapable of fighting back. Jurors may say, | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
"Well, if you have got no injuries, that must mean you are not a genuine | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
victim." That's an example of a myth. It is difficult for men who | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
will have the same freeze response in certain situations to try and | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
explain why they don't have injuries. So many people getting in | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
touch with messages directly for you, Sam. Ah, thank you. Dawn says, | :49:20. | :49:26. | |
"I cannot put into words how powerfully the broadcast on Savile | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
abuse reached me. I was abused by a local celebrity. One of the issues I | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
have not been able to deal with is the treatment by the police. People | :49:38. | :49:40. | |
should speak out about this. I would, if given the chance." Gary | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
tweeted, "Such power words from the guests on your show." LJ Hunter, | :49:47. | :49:53. | |
"How brave is Sam's story? It is a process to talk to counsellors." | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
Dougie says, "What a brave lady to come on and tell her story. | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
Hopefully she will inspire others to do like wise and step out of the | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
shadow." Another viewer says, "Tell Sam what a brave lady. The thoughts | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
are with her and her family. Well done, Sam. You are truly amazing." | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
Donald says, "This woman is so brave. Everything is true including | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
the self inflicted shame that never goes away." Thank you for coming in | :50:21. | :50:22. | |
and talking to us. Abused, the Untold Story | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
is on BBC One tonight at 8.30pm. Still to come: Last year the odds | :50:28. | :50:29. | |
on Leicester City winning Now they're just three wins away | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
from the top of the league. We'll hear from two fans who have | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
been keeping video diaries about their club's remarkable | :50:42. | :50:43. | |
turnaround. Who are the celebrity couple | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
who have taken out an injunction They've been named in Scotland, | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
but pressure mounts on the pair for the ban to be lifted | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
across the whole of the UK. One MP may name the celebrity today, | :51:00. | :51:01. | |
we will bring you what we can. David Cameron has endured one | :51:02. | :51:14. | |
of his most challenging weeks - culminating in him becoming | :51:15. | :51:16. | |
the first British Prime Minister ever to make public his tax returns | :51:17. | :51:18. | |
for the last six years. The Chancellor George Osborne | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
is likely, the BBC has learned, to follow his example and publish | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
details of his own. Despite Mr Cameron's unprecedented | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
move, critics are now asking about the specifics of the return | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
including a gift from his Today he'll appear before MPs | :51:34. | :51:36. | |
to propose toughening up the rules on companies that help | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
clients evade tax. He'll hope it could draw a line | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
under the row, but will it? Joining us now are two members | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
of the Treasury Select Committee. The Labour MP Wes Streeting, | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
who thinks Mr Cameron has more questions to answer, | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
and Conservative MP Mark Garnier So Wes Streeting, where are you now | :51:53. | :52:03. | |
having seen everything unfold as it has and David Cameron's tax returns | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
out there? Well, you think David Cameron's reputation has taken a | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
battering in the last week and probably frustratingly for the Prime | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
Minister and some of the people around him, the issues being made | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
were not so much by the content of his own tax arrangements but by his | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
chiviness in refuse to go answer initially at all any questions about | :52:25. | :52:27. | |
his tax affairs and over the course of the week gradually having the | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
information dragged out of him and I think what we need to see today he | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
is doing a statement to the House of Commons this afternoon, I think to | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
rebuild his own credibility, some concrete proposals to tackle, not | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
just illegal tax evasion, which still takes place and is illegal, | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
but also aggressive tax avoidance which David Cameron himself argued | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
is immoral, but legal and I think that there is action the Government | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
can take, not just domestically, but internationally. So I'm calling on | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
David Cameron to make sure the issue of tax havens for example is on the | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
agenda of his own anticorruption summit next month so the public can | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
have confidence when David Cameron says that this sort of action is | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
immoral that he is going to take action to effectively tackling it. | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
Mark, where do you stand on this? Well, I certainly think I would | :53:16. | :53:18. | |
agree with David Cameron himself that he probably has no career in | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
public relations and media handling after he stops being Prime Minister. | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
The problem with this is the whole debate has sort of spun into some | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
sort of furious tornado of confusion. Wes is right, we need to | :53:33. | :53:41. | |
bear down on aggressive tax evasion or tax avoidance because it is where | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
you use the letter of the law to avoid the spirit of the law, what | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
David Cameron has done in terms of investing into the off-shore | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
investment trusts and unit trusts is actually no different than probably | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
everybody who has a pension scheme does in this country where they will | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
probably benefit by the pension scheme making investments into these | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
funds which are legal. This is what we need to get clear. Wes Streeting? | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
One of the issue we have got around tax havens is they are used by | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
wealthy individuals and multinational corporations to manage | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
their own tax arrangements in ways that minimises their tax leuct and | :54:16. | :54:18. | |
that's not just having an impact on the UK, whereas we know, public | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
finances are tight. We could do with that money, it is also having a | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
really significant impact on developing countries and I think I | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
saw a report that said something like $170 billion worth of money is | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
sitting in tax havens that probably should have been paid to developing | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
countries and when you think about how much this country for example | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
commits to those countries through oversea aid budgets and | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
international development, I think we would all agree that the | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
objective of development is to try and make sure that these countries | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
can stand on their own two feet and if we allow wealthy individuals and | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
corporations to avoid their tax liabilities, not just to this | :54:59. | :55:00. | |
country, but to developing countries, it has a detrimental | :55:01. | :55:06. | |
impact and somehow, you know, ordinary taxpayers in this country | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
who don't have the luxury of determining how much tax they pay | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
end up footing the bill. Wes that's not true. The problem is and I agree | :55:16. | :55:25. | |
a lot of what you said. Again, we are confusing three points. The | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
first is this secrecy bit which is illegal. We are trying to clamp down | :55:29. | :55:31. | |
on secrecy, that's right. The second point you made is about corporation | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
tax and Britain is leading the way in trying to deal with the | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
corporation tax with the base erosion and payment shifting | :55:40. | :55:41. | |
investigations of which we are the chair of that with 90 countries | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
around the world. The third part is this whole business of tax planning | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
and tax planning is what everybody who uses an Isa or a pension or | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
anything else does and actually the reason we have the investment trusts | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
and unit trusts and you know and if you look at I shares, the tradable | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
funds listed on the London Stock Exchange they are domiciled in | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
Dublin which is a tax haven and the reason we have these collective | :56:08. | :56:10. | |
investment schemes in these tax havens is so we don't introduce an | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
extra layer of tax which would prohibit people from investing in | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
them which would therefore prohibit this money going into things like | :56:20. | :56:21. | |
British businesses and British industry where they create millions | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
of jobs and those jobs and those activities in turn generate huge | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
amounts of tax receipts. I want to get the thoughts from both of you on | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
the publication of tax returns. David Cameron is doing it. Nigel | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
Farage is the only party leader who said he won't. What do you think? Is | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
it a good thing? Should it end up with all MPs publishing their tax | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
returns as Jacobries mooing indicated this morning? -- Jacob | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
Rhys Mogg? I'm not sure that people will get what they want through the | :56:56. | :56:58. | |
publication of tax returns because tax returns tell you a certain | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
amount about people's tax affairs, particularly how much tax they're | :57:03. | :57:05. | |
paying in any given year. What it doesn't do is give you a complete | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
picture about how people are managing their tax affairs overall. | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
On illegal tax evasion for example, that wouldn't show up by definition | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
on the tax returns. So I think where I'd like to see the debate really | :57:19. | :57:27. | |
concentrated is on how we tackle the thorny issue of tax reform. | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
Successive governments tried to wrestle with this. We are better off | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
thinking about how we fix the system rather than publishing MPs tax | :57:37. | :57:39. | |
returns is going to make a difference. Mark, your thoughts on | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
the publishing the tax returns? Unless you publish the tax returns | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
of the family as well, you are not going to get a full picture. There | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
is a more important point. Is that actually if you treat members of | :57:57. | :57:58. | |
Parliament different from everybody else who have a right to tax | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
privacy, you're putting members of Parliament, if you like, on the | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
naughty stair. We want more people to come into politics. Wet want to | :58:07. | :58:09. | |
encourage good, honest, deisn't people to come into politics and if | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
we send a message to those people who are thinking about it that | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
actually you're regarded as a lower level of humanity that can't be | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
trusted, then we're going to be driving away really good people and | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
this is something we have to be very, very careful of. Thank you. | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
Steel workers in Scunthorpe are hoping a new deal | :58:31. | :58:32. | |
Now the latest weather update with Alex. Thank you very much, Joanna. | :58:33. | :58:48. | |
There is plenty going on with the weather at the moment. Certainly | :58:49. | :58:51. | |
some sunshine around yesterday, but as well as that, there were stormy | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
conditions to be had across the far south-west of England. Some problems | :58:56. | :58:59. | |
across Devon and Cornwall. Strong winds and unusually strong for the | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
time of year. 60mph gusts that really whipped up the seas and the | :59:04. | :59:09. | |
area of low pressure responsible for both the strong winds and the big | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
seas was the spring tides. They caused problems across Devon and | :59:15. | :59:17. | |
Cornwall throughout the course of Sunday. Things have calmed down | :59:18. | :59:23. | |
overnight and today, thankfully. Thankfully it is a lot calmer. | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
Overall the far south-west of England should stay dry today, but | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
other parts of the UK not faring quite so well. There is a lot of | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
cloud around across Northern Ireland, Wales and down into | :59:35. | :59:37. | |
southern parts of England. A stripe of rain if you like that's really | :59:38. | :59:43. | |
not moving very far, very quickly. This zone staying soggy throughout. | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
There will be showers throughout Eastern Scotland. Across the far | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
north-west it should stay fine and dry. There should be sunshine across | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
the Highlands of Scotland. A chilly wind blowing too, keeping the | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
temperatures in single figures from Aberdeen down Edinburgh. There is | :59:59. | :00:01. | |
that area of rain across Northern Ireland and sitting across much of | :00:02. | :00:04. | |
Wales to the north-west of England, some rain this morning. It is | :00:05. | :00:07. | |
brightening up here and the Lancashire coast may see the top | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
temperatures today 16 Celsius or 17 Celsius is possible, but soggy under | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
this band of rain through parts of the Midlands, Southern England and | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
the far south-west. Now the line of rain, just sort of | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
pivots around. The rain returns to Northern England and pushes into | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
Southern Scotland and Northern Ireland. To the south, generally | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
dry. It may turny misty and generally dry and not a cold night. | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
The area of rain then is around tomorrow bringing for dull damp | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
conditions for Northern Ireland, central and Southern Scotland and | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
for Northern Ireland. Rain on and off. For the south, sunshine, but | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
the potential for really big and beefy showers to develop as | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
temperatures again get into the mid-teens. Some warmth in the south. | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Further north with the cloud and the rain it will be cold particularly on | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
the North Sea coasts with the winds coming in from the east. All from an | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
area of low pressure dominating, but sitting well to the south-west of | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
the UK, but it is controlling. This wriggling weather front will mark | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
the boundary between something colder across the north and | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
something drier and warmer to the south, but where the weather front | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
lies, there will be cloud and outbreaks of rain. Again across | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
parts of Northern Britain and the potential for warmth and sunshine, | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
but big potentially powerful April downpours. That's the way it's | :01:28. | :01:28. | |
looking. I'm Joanna Gosling in for | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
if you've just joined us. MPs are falling over themselves to | :01:37. | :01:50. | |
publish their tax affairs, but does it restore our trust in them? And we | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
hear from one woman, Sam Branca, who said the abuse she suffered as a | :01:55. | :02:02. | |
girl by Jimmy Savile caused her years of damage. | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
I missed out on a whole childhood, missed out on a whole | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
Everyone else remembers their childhood. | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
I remember nothing except pain and sadness and loneliness. | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
Lots of you getting in touch about Sam's story, and you can watch her | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
interview on our programme page. You can hear her full story | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
on our programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria and there's more | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
tonight on the BBC One documentary Plus, Ayeeshia Jane Smith, murdered | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
by her mother, and an MP is calling for an independent enquiry into her | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
death. And an American mother says she is facing deportation because | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
her British husband of nine years is earning less than ?18,600, the Home | :02:44. | :02:53. | |
Office threshold that would mean she could stay. We will hear from her | :02:54. | :02:54. | |
before the end of the programme. Let's bring you right up with all of | :02:55. | :03:03. | |
the day's news. Maxine is in the newsroom. | :03:04. | :03:16. | |
Treasury sources say that the Chancellor, George Osborne, | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
may publish his tax returns in the next few days. | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
It comes as David Cameron will today face MPs for the first | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
time since the leaking of the Panama Papers which exposed | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
the extent to which offshore companies are used to hide money | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
Mr Cameron will announce plans to toughen up the rules on companies | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
that don't do enough to stop staff helping clients evade tax. | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
One senior backbencher explained the pressure | :03:36. | :03:36. | |
The argument for doing so is that Caesar's wife must be above | :03:37. | :03:46. | |
suspicion, and if you are managing the country's affairs, the | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
electorate want to know you are doing it properly and independently. | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
I think it is a pity we have lost privacy, but some extent it is | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
politicians' fault because we lost the trust of the public over the | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
expensive affair -- expenses affair. The former Defence Secretary Liam | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
Fox has called for those campaigning to leave the European Union to be | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
allowed to include their views in the controversial EU referendum | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
leaflet that's being mailed The document, which will set out | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
the Government's case for staying in the EU, is costing | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
the taxpayer ?9 million, and the first batches will be | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
delivered to households MPs campaigning to leave are also | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
expected to call in Parliament today for changes to the Finance Bill, | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
to secure an extra ?9 million in funding for their | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
campaign to compensate. More than 200,000 members | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
of the public have signed a petition demanding the mailing | :04:34. | :04:35. | |
is cancelled altogether. A deal that would safeguard | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
the future of the Tata steelworks in Scunthorpe is expected | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
to be signed today. It's thought the investment | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
firm, Greybull Capital, will announce the sale, | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
following nine months Also today, Tata is also | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
expected to begin the formal process of selling the rest | :04:51. | :04:58. | |
of its loss-making UK plants. If the Scunthorpe deal is approved, | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
it will secure about 4,000 jobs. It secures future of Scunthorpe, our | :05:02. | :05:13. | |
communities, the workforce, contract workforce. We are talking 30 or | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
40,000 jobs saved, a community that can carry on, the council still | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
receiving their taxes to pay their workers, it is massive for the town. | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
Around 7,000 pupils in Edinburgh will not be | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
able to return to school from the holidays today | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
because of concerns that school buildings may | :05:34. | :05:34. | |
17 schools have been closed until further notice. | :05:35. | :05:44. | |
One of Jimmy Savile's victims told this programme how Jimmy Savile | :05:45. | :05:52. | |
singled her out for abuse. She is one of several victims to speak out | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
tonight in a BBC One panorama documentary. It features people | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
speaking about about their abuse for the first time, and the impact that | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
coming forward has had on them and their families. Sam Brown described | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
how Savill abused her. He would put his hands around my face, and | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
sometimes his fingers into my mouth, which obviously would silence me. | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
And make me realise that I had no choice in what was happening. In all | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
that time, he would do whatever he wanted to do with me. | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
The writer and convicted drug smuggler, Howard Marks, | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
He came to prominence for his best-selling | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
memoir of his exploits, called Mr Nice. | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
It was published in 1996, a year after he was released | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
He served seven years of a 25-year jail sentence for drugs offences. | :06:46. | :06:55. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30. | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
Now back to Joanna. So many of you getting in touch with us this | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
morning after my interview earlier with Sam who was abused by Jimmy | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
Savile from the age of 11 to 14. An anonymous text says I send my | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
heartfelt thoughts on love to Sam. I can relate as it happened to me | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
through my childhood at the hands of a family member. It is hard to speak | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
of this in public, bless you, and I send you much love. Another | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
anonymous text, such a brave lady to speak on television, I have a | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
historic abuse case coming up, we reported hours before Jimmy Savile, | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
six years to get to court, another few months to weight. I will be 55 | :07:39. | :07:47. | |
before this can be a new era for us, I still freezing trigger situations. | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
Sam's strength for the radiator victims, and I hope I will be a bit | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
to do this, too. Carroll says, I was abused by my grandfather from the | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
age of four years old, I dreaded seeing him even from a distance, he | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
blighted my life completely. I have talked about this to several people, | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
but you never forget. Sam is a remarkable lady, the voice of our | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
childhood which we missed out on. Thank you for all of your comments. | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
Lots of you getting in touch on that, and we do read all of your | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
messages. If you want to get in touch, please do remember the | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
hashtag. You can also see the interview with | :08:25. | :08:39. | |
Sam again on the programme page. Let's catch up with all the sport, | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
and Olly Foster has news of the memorable Masters from British golf. | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
Sheffield's Danny Willett won the first major of the year last night, | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
in an enthralling final round in Augusta as the reigning champion | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
Jordan Speith throw away a five shot lead at the turn. It made for an | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Wael biting final few holes, but Danny Willett won by three shots. We | :09:04. | :09:16. | |
can talk to Steve and Elisabet, Danny's parents. You are moving from | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
Sheffield to Anglesey, where you have retired, so you weren't at | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
Augusta. How did you take it in? The first thing we set up was the | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
television! And what were the emotions as you're watching him do | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
what he was doing? Excitement, absolute terror, particularly when | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
he finished his round and had no more control over what was | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
happening. Those last 40 minutes were a nightmare, wondering if | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
Jordan Spieth could come back. But that is done, and he didn't. He | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
didn't, but you never quite trusted that he wouldn't. We saw the | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
pictures of Danny waiting in the scorers' hut, and he was faced | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
tanning his wife and then he was mobbed by his caddie, here we go, | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
that was the moment, we are just seeing that now, when Jordan Spieth | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
missed that putt. Amazing pictures, you must have wished you were there. | :10:14. | :10:20. | |
When his caddie caning and threw his arms around him, that was the best | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
shot on television. We have dreams about this Valentine. When we were | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
aware that he could probably make a living out of playing golf? I think | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
when he went to America. We knew he was good, but you don't know how | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
good until people pit themselves against other people, but when he | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
went to America and went right at the top of the amateur world | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
rankings, we thought, this isn't just a flash in the pan. He held | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
that position for 12 weeks until he went professional, which is a long | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
time to hold onto the number one Amateur Place. So we knew then that | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
he had something special. It is fantastic, and he is not a nobody, | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
he has moved into the world's top ten, he has won some big | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
tournaments, he led the Open for a bit last year, but you just must be | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
so proud that he is a major winner. It is unbelievable, isn't it? It is | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
unbelievable. Where do you put that? It will take us weeks to file this | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
away properly. Can I speak to Elisabet? You can, no problem. | :11:30. | :11:40. | |
Hello. Good morning to you. What a wicked has been, new grandparents to | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
Zachary who came early, so Danny could actually go to Augusta. It was | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
wonderful, it really was. They couldn't have planned it any better. | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
Grandchild number five, so he has come into a big family already, so | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
it is fantastic. And you have a few sons as well. Where you aware of | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
what your son Peter was up to? It caused quite a storm on Twitter, let | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
me read a few things out. He was getting evolved from afar, he is in | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
Birmingham, a teacher? He says, if the boy does what he should, I will | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
be able to say I have shared a bath with a Masters winner. Green makes | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
you look fat, refused the jacket! I love that one! And finally, | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
speechless, you have a bit of a story about this one. I once pledged | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
that kid in the head for hurting my pet rat, and now look. They had a | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
pet rat, and Peter was really funny, his was so tame it used to sit on | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
his shoulder when he would take the dogs for a walk, he was very fond of | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
his rat. They were for boys growing up, but they also kept his feet | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
firmly planted on the ground. You were watching in Anglesey, you got | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
the telly set up straightaway, watching on BBC Two, I hope! Were | :13:06. | :13:17. | |
you hiding behind the sofa? My husband is the one going in and out, | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
he can't bear to watch it, but I can't bear to leave. You want to be | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
there through the bad and the good, it was just fantastic. Are you | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
planning an enormous party for him when he gets back? We will do. Today | :13:30. | :13:38. | |
is Nicole's birthday, his wife, and he won't be back until tomorrow | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
morning, so we will all be there. I think he is just looking forward, he | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
is now off for four weeks, he always planned to do that, so he could just | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
be a daddy, and they are looking forward to that, that will be really | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
nice for them. Have a wonderful, wonderful time, and wish him well | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
from all of us as well. And don't miss his next A major! You were | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
moving to a new life on Anglesey, but thank you very much. Can I make | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
one small point, you always caught in Yorkshire in which he truly is, | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
but this boy is half Swedish, you know. He is flying the flag for | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
Sweden as well! Elisabet and Steve, many thanks indeed. You are welcome. | :14:23. | :14:31. | |
Goodbye. There you go, very proud, Danny Willett's parents, he is the | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
Masters champion. They are so proud, as we all are. It | :14:36. | :14:37. | |
is 14 minutes past ten. She was known to social services | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
from birth and had been in care for a brief period before | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
returning to her mother. She was killed at the age of 21 | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
months - stamped on by A postmortem found other injuries | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
including extensive Police officers compared her | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
injuries to like that of someone Today her mother will be sentenced | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
after being convicted of her murder, and her step-father will be | :14:58. | :15:09. | |
sentenced for his part in her death. The case has already been | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
compared to that of Baby P, with social services being accused | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
of missing crucial warning signs. Our correspondent Phil Mackie | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
is at Birmingham Crown Court where sentencing is | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
expected to take place. BP | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
In the next few minutes the defendants will return to the dock | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
at Birmingham Crown Court to hear what sentence they will get. Having | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
been convicted of various offences on Friday. Catherine Smith, AJ's | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
mother was found guilty of murder. She will face a life sentence. What | :15:45. | :15:57. | |
the judge Mrs Justice Andrews will have to decide is how long she will | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
spend in custody before eligible for parole. Her partner was found guilty | :16:04. | :16:10. | |
of causing the death of a child as well as child cruelty, the first | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
offence carries a maximum sentence of 14 years and the second carries a | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
maximum sentence of ten years. Lots of questions have been raised about | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
the case because as we know, there was plenty of contact between the | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
family and the authorities. Especially in the months before | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
Ayeeshia Jane died. Let's briefly remind you of some of the injuries | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
that she suffered. Multiple wounds around her body. In fact the expert | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
witness who is came to give evidence at the trial said it was like | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
somebody who had been the victim of a fall from a great height or a car | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
crash. They never know what caused her death, but there was a tear to | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
her heart that suggested she had perhaps been stamped upon. Now | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
during the trial Matthew Rigby and Catherine Smith blamed each other so | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
we don't know what happened. We do know social services and various | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
hospitals and doctors, various authorities had been aware of | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
potential issues in AJ's life up until her death in May 2014. And | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
that means there will be a Serious Case Review. That's been carried out | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
by Derbyshire County Council who said because of new evidence that | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
came out during the trial, they can't publish it, but we have seen | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
many of these case reviews in the past relating to child deaths and we | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
know many of those phrases that we hear depressingly often will | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
re-emerge when it is published, missed opportunities, failure to | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
communicate between different agencies, the lack of sharing | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
information and of course, the lack of professional curiosity. All of | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
those things will appear in the Serious Case Review. There will be | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
sentencing from the prosecution about any previous offences Matthew | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
Rigby and Catherine Smith may have committed and that will bear | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
relevance as to how long they will have to serve inside prison. It will | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
be a lengthy custodial sentence for both and we should know what the | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
sentences are in the next hour or so. | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
A serious case review has been launched by the Derbyshire | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
Safeguarding Children Board to look at health and social services' | :18:22. | :18:23. | |
involvement in the lead-up to Ayesshia's death in May | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
Andrew Griffiths is the Conservative local MP | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
for Burton who is calling for an independent enquiry | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
into Ayeeshia's death, like Baby P and Victoria Climbie. | :18:32. | :18:43. | |
Joanna Nicholas is a social worker with over 20 years experience | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
and also a child protection consultant and works | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
And Claude Knights is the CEO of Kidscape who says this shows | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
again we haven't learnt enough lessons from Baby P. | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
You're the local MP, what's been your reaction | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
There is a sense of shock and revulsion of the brutality of which | :18:56. | :19:12. | |
Ayeeshia died, but there is a growing sense of anger that so many | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
opportunities to intervene and to save the life of this little child | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
were missed. Hearing the evidence given in court, there were so many | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
signals that should have set the alarm bells ringing and the lights | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
flashing and yet social services didn't intervene. They knew about | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
this child from the day she was born and in fact at one stage she had | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
been taken into care and given to a foster parent where she flourished | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
and yet the catastrophic decision to hand her back to her mother which | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
led to her death was made by social services and I think people locally | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
want answers they don't want to cover up, they want to know what | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
happened that led to the terrible death. | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
Let's bring in Joanna, not involved in this case, but involved in | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
difficult situations involving kids who are in a vulnerable situation. | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
How do you see it? What are the complexities dealing with a case | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
like this? The first thing to say is that a Serious Case Review looks at | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
all the agencies, not just health and children's social care. I'm | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
really surprised to hear an MP talking about pre-empting what will | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
come out of this Serious Case Review. The process that's followed, | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
it is led by an independent person. It is a Government process. It is a | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
statutory requirement that we undertake Serious Case Reviews so to | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
hear an MP talking about mistakes that had been made prior to the | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
publication of the Serious Case Review is surprising. The other | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
thing that I would say is it is so easy to be wise with hindsight, we | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
can look back and see the world as linear. If things, if mistakes are | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
made, which almost always they have been, yes, we need to learn from | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
them. Yes, we need to accept that and take it on the chin, but we | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
should not be pre-empting what's going to come out of the Serious | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
Case Review. Just respond to that. Perhaps I can come back on that. I'm | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
talking about the evidence that was given to court. Social services knew | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
this child was in danger. They knew that three of her partners were | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
violent. There was actually an exclusion order on one of her | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
partners that was ignored. They knew about the smell of cannabis and the | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
mum being spaced-out when they visited. They went and they saw on | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
three separate occasion doors were kicked in and mirrors smashed. They | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
saw the bruises on this little girl. They saw the fingerprints on her | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
thighs. They knew that she had gone to A with a plead on the brain. | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
There were so many opportunities that social services knew about and | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
what I think we need to know is how the judgement was made, not to | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
intervene when social services knew on so many occasions that things | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
were wrong and that this child was in danger. I think that's what I | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
want to see. That's what a Serious Case Review will look at. You talk | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
as if social services act in isolation. They absolutely don't. | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
What we know from serious case reviews published is we need to work | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
better with other agencies. Please stop talking about it as if it is | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
just social services. They make decisions with all the agencies | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
involved and the courts and if the timeline is to be believed in this | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
court, the courts were involved as well. They are all making decisions | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
together. These decisions are not made in isolation. Perhaps I could | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
just come back. It is true the police were involved. They told | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
social services of the calls where the mum was saying that the partner | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
wanted to burn the house down, where he was threatening to cut himself | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
and blame her. The Fire Brigade were involved. They called social | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
services and said when they fitted a letterbox that was to prevent arson | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
to prevent the partner from burning the house down, they said that the | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
mother was spaced-out, and they could smell cannabis. So all of the | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
services were involved. They were all talking. All of the information | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
is catalogued and known to social services, but there was a judgement | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
made not to act. One social worker visited the home more than 20 times. | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
It is not that social services weren't involved, it is not that | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
they weren't aware, it is that they came to the wrong decision and I | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
want to get to the reason why those decision were made? I want to bring | :23:32. | :23:42. | |
in Claude? One of the great concerns is that we have had so many reports. | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
We have had Lord Lib Demming's report in 2009 which led to aids | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
maizingly useful and effective recommendations but actually, we we | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
are in a situation where year upon year we have more and more children | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
being, you know, abused in this way and lessons don't seem to have been | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
learned. One of the things that really chills my blood is after a | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
horrific situation like this and an avoidable death, people come out and | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
say, "Yes, there will be a Serious Case Review and lessons will be | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
learned." I'd like to know when will these be learned? We know what we | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
should be doing. Why aren't we doing it? | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
We're out of time. Thank you to all of you. | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
A deal that could safeguard the future of Tata's steelworks | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
in Scunthorpe is likely to be signed today. | :24:34. | :24:34. | |
Our correspondent Sarah Corker is there with the latest. | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
What is the latest, Sarah? Well, if a sale is agreed today, as is | :24:38. | :24:47. | |
expected we could get an announcement by midday. It will come | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
as a huge relief to this town. It is difficult to under estimate just how | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
important the steel industry is here. The steelworks just 100 meters | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
down the road there. It employs 4,000 people, but the plant also | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
supports another 30,000 jobs in the wider economy. The plant has been up | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
for sale for the last two years, way before Tata said it wanted to off | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
load the rest of its UK business and after months of negotiation between | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
Tata Steel and investment firm, the take-over deal is expected to be | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
finalised today. The investment firm have been putting together this ?400 | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
million rescue package. As part of that turnover deal will work as they | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
have been asked to take a hit on pay and pensions. They have been asked | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
to vote on a temporary cut to pay a 3% reduction for 12 months. A drop | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
in pension contributions for a year and the end of the final salary | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
pension scheme. They are being balloted by unions on that at the | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
moment and that ballot process finishes on the 19th April. But the | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
sense I have been getting from workers here is they're willing to | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
make that sacrifice if it means securing the long-term future of | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
this plant. One steel worker this morning told me, a 3% cut is better | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
than having no job at all and no steelworks. That is how much is at | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
stake here and it is under the investment firm thinks it can turn | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
around this business in the next 18 months or so and steel workers here | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
after months of bad news, they're hoping there will be something for | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
them to smile about today. Thank you very much. | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
We can speak now to Angela Smith, a Labour MP who has 900 Tata | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
employees in her constituency and Stephen Surtees Davies who faces | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
losing his steel worker job at Port Talbot this summer. | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
Thank you for coming in. Angela, how are you feeling about the future | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
prospects for those in your constituency and what are they | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
telling you, how are they feeling? The passion that local people and | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
the local workforce feel about this is, you have to see it to believe it | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
and to feel it. The workforce is so proud of what it does. It makes some | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
of the very best steel in the world. It is a very highly skilled | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
workforce and they are determined to make sure that that plant has a | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
future and it should have a future. It makes steel for the aerospace | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
industry and steel for the automotive industry and we can't | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
afford to lose it and I'm confident that it has got a future as long as | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
the Government does the job it needs to do which is to step in and | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
support the industry to get over this crisis. Stephen, your dad | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
worked at the steelworks in Port Talbot and you do, your son does, | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
you have been there since you were 16. How is everyone reacting around | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
you? They're devastated with what's going on at this moment as we have | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
been saying in the past now, we don't want any charity, we want an | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
even playing field with the energy costs compared with what is | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
happening in Europe. We are paying double and we can't compete at the | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
moment and plus and we have been asking for that for many years. Now | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
with the influx of the Chinese steel, that's crippling us even | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
more. There is two points the Government need to take up on this | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
and act straightaway. I think the energy costs is really important. It | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
is not just about the green taxation on energy, it is the basic price of | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
electricity that's the problem for industry and I think it is double, | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
89 #3Ers higher than the EU average. So the Government really needs to | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
get to grips with this. It needs to tackle the big six. How much of a | :28:37. | :28:43. | |
factor is that? Even if that were dealt with, would that make the | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
industry viable right now? It would help and the Chinese steel issue is | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
a big problem at the moment so the Government needs to start to work | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
co-op ratively with its European Union partners to ensure we have a | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
safeguarding of steel in the ushg. This isn't about protectionism. This | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
is about the fact that steel is being sold in the UK at below cost | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
price. So we need to see measures to deal with that and then there is | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
business rates. 11 times higher than in the European Union for the steel | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
industry. That is unsustainable. All these things need to be dealt with | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
as well as supporting the short-term to give the industry a future and we | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
need to make the industry resilient in order to meet future economic | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
down turns, my family were in steel. They are not in the industry after | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
200 years, they are not in the industry anymore. I don't want to | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
see Steve's job go. We want a future for what is a really important | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
industry. We are highly motivated and highly skilled and we want that | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
opportunity to prove everyone, we are sustainable and we will go | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
forward together. Thank you very much. Thank you. | :29:53. | :30:03. | |
Why can the celebrity who took part in a threesome be named in Scotland | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
and the USA, one MP is threatening to identify the celebrity today. We | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
will bring you what details we are legally allowed to. We hear from the | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
woman who might be deported to America because her British husband | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
less than the Home Office says he needs to earn in order for her to | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
stay here. Now let's catch up with the news. | :30:28. | :30:35. | |
Treasury sources say George Osborne is likely to publish details | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
about his income and tax payments in the coming days. | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
It comes as David Cameron prepares to face MPs for the first | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
time since the leaking of the Panama Papers which exposed | :30:46. | :30:47. | |
the extent to which offshore companies are used to hide money | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
He'll announce plans to toughen up the rules on companies that don't do | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
enough to stop staff helping clients evade tax. | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
One senior backbencher explained the pressure | :30:57. | :30:57. | |
The argument for doing so is that Caesar's wife must be above | :30:58. | :31:06. | |
suspicion, and if you are managing the country's affairs, the | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
electorate want to know you are doing it properly and independently. | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
I think it is a pity we have lost privacy, | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
but some extent it is politicians' fault because we lost | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
the trust of the public over the expenses affair. | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
The former Defence Secretary Liam Fox has called for those campaigning | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
to leave the European Union to be allowed to include their views | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
in the controversial EU referendum leaflet that's being mailed | :31:32. | :31:42. | |
The document, which will set out the Government's case for staying | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
in the EU, is costing the taxpayer ?9 million, | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
and the first batches will be delivered to households | :31:49. | :31:50. | |
More than 200,000 members of the public have signed a petition | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
demanding the mailing is cancelled altogether. | :31:54. | :31:55. | |
A deal that would safeguard the future of the Tata steelworks | :31:56. | :31:57. | |
in Scunthorpe is expected to be signed today. | :31:58. | :31:59. | |
It's thought the investment firm, Greybull Capital, | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
will announce the sale, following nine months | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
Also today, Tata is also expected to begin the formal | :32:05. | :32:11. | |
process of selling the rest of its loss-making UK plants. | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
If the Scunthorpe deal is approved, it will secure about 4,000 jobs. | :32:15. | :32:23. | |
It secures the future for Scunthorpe, our communities, | :32:24. | :32:42. | |
We are talking 30 or 40,000 jobs saved, a community that | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
can carry on, the council still receiving their taxes to pay their | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
Around 7,000 pupils in Edinburgh will not be | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
able to return to school from the holidays today | :32:53. | :32:54. | |
because of concerns that school buildings may | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
17 schools have been closed until further notice. | :32:57. | :32:59. | |
One of Jimmy Savile's victims tells this programme how Jimmy Savile | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
Sam Brown reported the abuse to police after Savile's death. | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
She is one of several victims to speak out tonight | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
in a BBC One Panorama documentary Abused, | :33:08. | :33:09. | |
It features people speaking out about their abuse for the first | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
time, and the impact that coming forward has had on them | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
Sam Brown describes how Savile abused her. | :33:17. | :33:27. | |
The writer and convicted drug smuggler, Howard Marks, | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
He came to prominence for his best-selling | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
memoir of his exploits, called Mr Nice. | :33:34. | :33:35. | |
It was published in 1996, a year after he was released | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
He served seven years of a 25-year jail sentence for drugs offences. | :33:39. | :33:49. | |
That's the latest news. Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock. | :33:50. | :33:57. | |
Here's some sport now with Olly Foster - | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
and a memorable Masters for British golf. | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
Danny Willett is the Masters champion, finishing three shots | :34:02. | :34:08. | |
clear of his compatriot Lee Westwood, the first British player | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
to win at Augusta in 20 years. Reigning champion Jordan Spieth | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
threw away a five shot lead with nine holes to play. Leicester City | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
are still seven points clear of trouble the Premier League after | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
they beat Sunderland 2-0, Jamie Vardy scored both their goals. There | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
are now guaranteed Champions League football next season because fifth | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
placed Manchester United lost a Tottenham 3-0 at White Hart Lane. | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
With five games to play, Spurs are still Lester's nearest challengers. | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
It has been a good week Rangers after promotion to the Scottish | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
Premiership and winning the challenge cup against Peterhead 4-0. | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
They face Celtic in the Scottish semifinals next weekend. That is | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
your sport for this morning, more coming up for you in just a moment | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
with the latest instalment from the Leicester video diaries. That is | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
well worth looking out for, coming up shortly. An American mother says | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
she is facing deportation because her husband of nine years earns less | :35:07. | :35:16. | |
than ?18,000. The couple moved back to the UK, but the family risk being | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
split up after the Home Office rejected her Visa application. | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
British citizens have to earn a certain amount before they qualify | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
to bring in a non-EU partner. The Government says the minimum income | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
rule is to prevent unqualified spouses coming to the UK and | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
becoming dependent on the state. We can speak to Dominic, Katy and | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
Marilyn from their home in Eastbourne. Tell us what the | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
situation is. Katy, as things stand, you're not allowed to stay? You | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
potentially will not be allowed to stay here with your daughter and | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
husband. We have been told by the Home Office in a letter that my Visa | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
was refused and that I would have to leave the UK in 14 days, that is | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
what the letter says, and I can leave without my daughter and they | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
have no concerns about her safety welfare because she would be here | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
with her father. And Dominic, this is because you don't earn enough on | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
the Home Office rules introduced in 2012 to be able to have your wife | :36:22. | :36:29. | |
here stay under immigration rules? Actually I think I do earn enough, | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
because I have my own business, I am self-employed, and I think at the | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
moment I am earning around that money required, but because it takes | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
time for a self-employed person to submit their taxes and prove their | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
income, I can't prove it to them, so I am unable to show them, but I can | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
reach that figure. The law is very rigid, it doesn't take into account | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
family income, it doesn't take into account my income either. You are | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
not allowed to have any income at the moment, because you are not able | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
to work? I am not able to work now, but it doesn't take into account my | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
previous income from before, last year and the before. When you apply | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
for it, it doesn't take into account, it only takes into account | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
the British person's income. So as things stand, you have had a letter | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
from the Home Office saying you are not allowed to work or claim | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
benefits, if you use health services, you would be invoiced for | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
that. You were given a date on which you had to leave the country, but it | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
is all up for appeal. When you received that letter and it said | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
that there was effectively no issue in you leaving the country and | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
leaving your daughter behind, how did you feel about that? Obviously I | :37:45. | :37:52. | |
felt horrible about it, being told that you don't matter, basically, | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
and that the welfare of your daughter doesn't matter, and that | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
she doesn't need her mother. It is just horrible, to think that a | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
Government would do that, would separate a mother from her child. | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
The Home Office makes a point that you could go and live in the United | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
States as a family, you have lived there before. Is that something that | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
you will consider? We have been trying to come back to the UK. We | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
lived here before, after we were married, for three years, and I | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
worked and paid taxes the entire time, and we left to go back to the | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
US for a temporary time period, and we always wanted to come back, but | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
in 2012, the law came in, and we realised they were making it very | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
difficult for us and we probably wouldn't be able to come back under | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
this new rule, and so since then we have been trying to make our way | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
back, because we have a large family network here. And then after we had | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
Madeleine, we wanted to come back even more, because we wanted her to | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
be around the large spread family we have here, grandparents, aunts and | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
uncles, all of her cousins, and we felt it was the best place for her. | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
And why should we have to go to the United States to live? I am a | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
British citizen, Madeleine is a British citizen, I have my whole | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
family here, I have a business. Katy had a five-year spousal Visa, and in | :39:22. | :39:30. | |
2006, she earned $80,000 in her last job, and in the States she is highly | :39:31. | :39:37. | |
skilled. I have a degree. So why should we have to go and live | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
somewhere else where there is no proper family and no proper life for | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
us when we have everything here? Dominic and Katy, thank you very | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
much for joining us. I Home Office spokesman said all applications are | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
considered on their individual merits, and in accordance with the | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
immigration rules. This case is ongoing, said it would be | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
inappropriate to comment further. Leicester City are one step closer | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
to completing one of the most remarkable feat in British football | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
history by beating Sunderland 2-0 yesterday at the Stadium of Light. | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
The team are now seven points clear of the top of the Premier League | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
with just three wins needed. To put that into context, this time last | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
year, they were battling relegation, and at the start of the season, the | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
odds on the league were 5000 to one. That is the same odds you'd get from | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
proving that Elvis Presley was alive. Over the last month, two | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
Leicester fans have been keeping diaries for us, Gary Johnson whose | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
middle name is Leicester and who was named after Gary Lineker. This video | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
contains flashing images. It is Sunday and it's | :40:46. | :41:15. | |
a beautiful morning. It is a long trip up | :41:16. | :41:17. | |
the M1 and A1 to see It is a ridiculous time of morning | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
to be up on a Sunday, but we are here to support | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
the boys in blue. Hopefully we can get | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
three points to make up Big Ann and Matt have | :41:34. | :41:35. | |
turned up for the match. What do you think | :41:36. | :41:42. | |
this morning, folks? I think it is too early and too cold | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
but we are going to win. I think it will be | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
a tough one today. It is 7:20, and here we are, | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
the mad people, getting Because we are going to win | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
the league aren't we? Are we going to win | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
the league? We are leaving the King Power | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
Stadium to make our way We are now 15 minutes away | :42:17. | :42:38. | |
from the Stadium of Light and we are stopping off | :42:39. | :42:54. | |
for a quick cup of tea. Big Ann has a cup of tea and Matt | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
is engrossed in his phone. And we have picked Frankie up | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
on the way and we have been talking to Sunderland supporters | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
who hope we win the league Very nice hospitality up here, | :43:08. | :43:09. | |
very nice cup of tea, And I'm not nervous yet, | :43:10. | :43:22. | |
which is most unusual. Here we are in the Sunderland fan | :43:23. | :43:34. | |
zone surrounded by very friendly Let's hope that the match | :43:35. | :43:45. | |
is as good-natured as this is. Here we are, just getting off | :43:46. | :43:59. | |
the coach in Sunderland. Making our way to the stadium | :44:00. | :44:08. | |
which is just down there. Hopefully we will see | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
the boys in blue win today. It means an awful lot to Leicester | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
to win, but what does I hope Leicester win | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
the whole thing. If you beat us today and we stay | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
up, I will be happy. I will be happy if we win today, | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
but I want you to win We have just come out | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
from another fantastic Two goals at this time, | :44:31. | :44:58. | |
the pressure on at all times, it is absolutely unbelievable | :44:59. | :45:07. | |
and we are going to win the league. # We're going to win the league, | :45:08. | :45:15. | |
we're going to win the league. # I know you won't believe us, | :45:16. | :45:24. | |
I know you were believe us. And you watch all of their diaries | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
on our programme page: We'll hear more from Gary | :45:28. | :45:45. | |
and Sandra next Monday. And if you can put a price on that | :45:46. | :45:53. | |
success, one fan put a fiver before the season began at odds of 5000 to | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
one on them winning, standing to win ?25,000 if they make it. | :45:59. | :46:01. | |
Why can a married celebrity who has taken out an injunction preventing | :46:02. | :46:04. | |
details of a threesome from being published be named | :46:05. | :46:06. | |
in Scotland and America but not in the rest of the UK? | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
Our correspondent Andy Moore can tell us a little bit more, | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
but there's an awful lot we can't tell you. | :46:13. | :46:14. | |
First of all, tell us what you can | :46:15. | :46:16. | |
Well, this was in the court of apile and it overturned a previous ruling | :46:17. | :46:26. | |
in the High Court which ruled in favour of the paper. I'm going to | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
refer to my notes and be careful because I don't want to break the | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
terms of injunction. It concerns a man well-known in the entertainment | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
business who is married somebody well-known in the entertainment | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
business and they have young children. The Sun on Sunday wanted | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
to publish a story about an affair in 2009. Beyond that, I can't tell | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
you much. But viewers in Scotland will be wondering why because it was | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
over the front page of one of their papers yesterday. We can't show you | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
that, but we can show you what The Sun makes of it in England. Their | :47:00. | :47:14. | |
front page, "Och aye they know" It is over the internet of course as | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
well. Now it has been reported that one MP, we're not sure, maybe | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
standing up in the House of Commons and breaking the injunction using | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
Parliamentary privilege basically where an MP can say anything thet | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
want without being bound by the legal rules that you and I are bound | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
by. What issues did the court have to weigh up? The celebrity's right | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
to private life versus the paper's right to freedom of expression. The | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
celebrity said that this was tittle-tattle, it was his private | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
life. There was no public in it and he said he wanted to protect his | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
children. The paper said that the couple projected an image of a cosy | :47:56. | :48:02. | |
family life and this evidence of an exta martial affair was at odds with | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
that. The judge said well, they can have an open marriage and still have | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
commitment to each other and you know a perfect family life caring | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
for their children. On balance the judge said that he was ruling in | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
favour of the celebrity, and against the paper. It is not the first time | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
there has been a fight between the courts and the media over | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
injunctions. There have been high-profile cases in the past, | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
haven't there? You have to cast your mind back five years to the era of | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
super-injunctions when we couldn't even tell you there was an | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
injunction. Ryan Giggs tried to cover up a story about an affair. He | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
was named in the Scottish press and then he was named in Parliament by | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
the MP John Hemming and that came out. Top Gear presenter tried to | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
cover up an interview with his wife. He gave up after a while because he | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
said it was pointless. The celebrities who are trying to cover | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
up something in their private life may achieve the opposite effect. It | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
is called the Streisand affect after Barbra Streisand. She tried to stop | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
publication of a photograph of her clifftop home in Malibu. It was on | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
some obscure scientific website talking about coastal erosion and | :49:20. | :49:22. | |
six people viewed the imagement she went to court and before long | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
500,000 people had seen that image! I think celebrities perhaps in this | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
case have to be aware that in trying to protect their private life so | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
fiercely in the courts they might actually be telling everybody what | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
is going on and more people will get to know about it. Thank you very | :49:39. | :49:39. | |
much. A survey of British Muslims suggests | :49:40. | :50:00. | |
that more than half believe homosexuality should | :50:01. | :50:03. | |
be illegal in the UK. The poll will feature | :50:04. | :50:04. | |
in a documentary called What British Muslims Really Think, | :50:05. | :50:06. | |
which seeks to investigate why some Trevor Phillips says | :50:07. | :50:09. | |
the findings pose profound questions for society - | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
and for future relations between Britain's Muslim | :50:13. | :50:14. | |
and non-Muslim communities. This survey is really an attempt to | :50:15. | :50:22. | |
find out what most Muslim people think on a range of issues. What it | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
tells us is that for the most part they are just like everybody else. | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
They love Britain. Probably slightly more than others. They love the | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
opportunity to worship as they please. They trust the authorities | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
and so on, but on a number of very specific issues, the centre of | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
gravity of Muslim opinion is very different from everyone else and | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
those issues are family and sex. Attitudes towards Jewish people and | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
then a bundle of issues which you might call the law and violence and | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
terrorism and on freedom of expression. Those issues, Muslim | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
opinion is very different and what we are trying to say is that this is | :51:05. | :51:11. | |
now 6%, 7% of our citizens, soon it will be 10% and the rest of us have | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
to understand what they really think. What do you take then from | :51:15. | :51:21. | |
something like only 34% of people surveyed would tell the police if | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
they thought someone was involved with supporters of terrorism in | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
Syria? Well, it is pretty alarming, isn't it? We know if we are going to | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
tackle that kind of activity, it is going to be because somebody who | :51:36. | :51:42. | |
knows, informs the authorities and the person involved is apprehended, | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
talked to about what they are trying to do and so on. I think what we | :51:47. | :51:52. | |
understand by this most British Muslims, who do not support violence | :51:53. | :51:54. | |
by the way, a very small proportion. They will go to an | :51:55. | :52:13. | |
imam and persuade the person out of this kind of activity, but the other | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
reason which is something they have to worry more about, they feel they | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
themselves if they come forward to the police or to the authorities may | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
become suspect, suspect and they will be treated as such I think that | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
is an issue we could do something about and we need to worry about. | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
Trevor Phillips says we rarely here from the average British Muslim. | :52:39. | :52:40. | |
Let's do that just now. I can now speak to Surfaraz Mustafa | :52:41. | :52:42. | |
from South London who is currently sitting his A levels, | :52:43. | :52:45. | |
Jahangir Mohammed who lives in Manchester and runs his own | :52:46. | :52:47. | |
consultancy firm and Madiha Hussain from West London who owns an organic | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
whole foods business. Thank you very much for joining us. | :52:51. | :52:59. | |
What do you think about the claim that there is a nation within a | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
nation? Firstly, I believe that religion | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
should be used as a means of spreading love and compassion in | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
society rather than to spread hatred. I am happy to hear 8 # % of | :53:12. | :53:17. | |
Muslims feel they are at home in this nation. I don't think there is | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
really a nation within a nation. I feel that if we continue to bring up | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
surveys, targeting Muslims then we could end up seeing what we really | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
went to see and we will start making up our own statements and | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
integration is just a part of Islam, it is an extension of my of my body. | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
I feel that being Muslim and being British there is no incompatibility | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
whatsoever. What do you think about the statistics that this survey has | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
thrown up like 47% not believing it is acceptable for a schoolteacher to | :53:49. | :53:57. | |
be homosexual? 52% not believing homosexuality should be legal in | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
Britain? And also the statistic that only 34% of people surveyed would | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
tell police they someone they knew were involved with supporters of | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
terrorism in Syria? Islam is a religion of compassion and love. | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
There should be no hatred towards any other citizen whatever they | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
choose to believe. That's just completely against Islam and what | :54:21. | :54:23. | |
Islam truly stands for. Secondly, in regards to telling the police, I | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
think, it is the responsibility of the Government and the authorities | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
to ensure that its citizens are safe and secondly, that youth are | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
choosing not to go and join Isis. However, on the other hand, we have | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
seen in the past that now and again, certain incidents are blown out of | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
proportion and we find that the backlash is quite heavy and it's not | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
proportionate at all and it is not right. So I think that one can | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
understand as to why some Muslims may feel it is better to try and | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
handle the situation first, however I do believe it is the authority's | :55:02. | :55:11. | |
job and the police and they should be aware of any people who have | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
these ideas as we are not what we stand for. What do you think about | :55:15. | :55:22. | |
the survey? Obviously some of the results, you don't need a survey to | :55:23. | :55:29. | |
tell you that a religiously inclined community whether Muslim, Jewish, | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
Hindu or Sikh has particularly conservative attitudes towards sex | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
and marriage and some other things. I think that what concerns me is the | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
spin and the commentary around the survey which has been presented in a | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
way which suits the current political narrative and it is | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
dangerous and Britain is not, Muslims are not a nation within a | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
nation. Britain itself is, you know, a nation of communities. We have | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
different communities. If you surveyed for example the Catholic | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
community, you would find, there would be some strong views on sex, | :56:09. | :56:16. | |
adultery, contraception, abortion, equally within the Jewish community | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
you would find similar views to the Muslim community and the Christian | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
community as a whole on homosexuality. This is dangerous. | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
But also, some of these attitudes that are reflected and some of the | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
problems that have been talked about in talk of parallel lives and | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
segregation, there is a whole history behind racism and the | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
evolution of communities, minority communities in this country. Now, I | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
would expect a former head of the equalities commission to have put | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
quite a bit of context into for example the issues around housing | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
and... I have to interrupt you. We're short on time. What's your | :57:03. | :57:12. | |
view? Well, I'm a born British Muslim living in this country and I | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
feel like some of these polls that are thrown up, Muslims, I agree they | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
are dangerous topics to be thrown out at Muslims. Being a British | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
Muslim you don't really feel like you know there is any judgement on, | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
you know, people, you know, practising their, you know, sexual | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
preference or any of those things and I just, I just feel that you | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
know, these things, I just feel that we should be looking at what Muslims | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
are about. We are about peace and we are about trying to make this world | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
a better place, but that's not really targeted ever like at the | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
looking at that subject. So I just feel that some of these polls | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
misconstrued a lot of what our beliefs are and it is a shame | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
because you get these small amount of people that are very uneducated | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
and they start, you know, throwing out all these ideologies and then | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
they just get really hyped up by the media. We're out of time. Thank you | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
so much. Thank you for your company this | :58:17. | :58:31. | |
morning. Victoria is back tomorrow. I will | :58:32. | :58:32. |