01/06/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Our top story, in the next hour a coroner will announce

whether inquests will be resumed into the Birmingham pub

Families believe it could be their last chance to hear evidence

in public that wasn't available in 1974 and find out from the police

and security services what really happened.

It's alleged the authorities didn't do enough to evacuate the two pubs.

NEWSREEL: Two explosions have gone off within seconds of each other.

In such confined surroundings packed with youngsters the blasting

explosive inflicted hideous injuries.

21 including Jane Davis and her friends died.

Also on the programme, "It controls my life.

I've been suicidal, bankrupt and ?1 million in debt."

Snooker legend Willie Thorne tells us about his daily fight to beat

We'll talk to him in the next few minutes.

And the family of a mentally ill father who killed himself in prison

tells this programme his treatment there was "despicable".

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Our top story today, a coroner will announce

today whether an inquest into the Birmingham

pub bombings in 1974, in which 21 people died,

The original inquest was adjourned days after the attack

and because of the criminal investigation, which later resulted

in the conviction of six men, it was never resumed.

The so-called Birmingham Six were convicted in 1975

It's widely believed the IRA was behind the attack,

though there's never been an admission of responsibility.

The coroner reviewing the case has spoken

The bombs ripped through the two Birmingham pubs

21 people were killed and 181 were injured.

An inquest was opened, but adjourned in 1975

when six men were tried and convicted of the bombings.

But they were cleared by the Appeal Court in 1991.

Twice since then, the police have reviewed the evidence and been

The coroner says she has received a significant new piece of evidence

that's never been heard before about the attacks all those years

ago here at the Tavern in the town and along

What the families are hoping is there will be an inquest

because it could be the last chance they get in their lifetimes to hear

some of the evidence about what went on that night.

Several of the men responsible are believed to still be alive,

but in an exclusive interview with the BBC, a senior IRA figure

at the time says it is unlikely they'll ever face trial.

The only way there could be convictions would be if the man

walked into police stations in the UK and confessed

to their parts in the bombing and that ain't going to happen.

Which means everything rests on today's ruling.

Campaigners have described the possibility that the inquest

Well, let's talk to Phil who is in Solihull outside the Coroners'

Court. Phil, what sort of things will the coroner be considering

before reaching the decision? Well, we have had submissions over the

last couple of months. There have been three days of submissions from

president various interested parties. Lawyers for the families

and the survivors have argued that there is a lot that's never been

heard in public. The families and survivors deserve the chance to hear

some of that evidence in public for the first time. In fact, at the last

hearing two weeks ago, Louise Hunt said she had been given some

significant new evidence which has never been heard before and never

been written about in many of the books about the Birmingham pub

bombings in 1974. West Midlands Police lawyers argue for a coroner

to hold an inquest they need to determine who died, how they died,

where and when they died and all of those facts are pretty well-known,

November 2 #1s, 1974, the bombs went off in the pubs in the Tavern and

the Mulberry Bush. She is in there preparing her final ruling and we

expect to hear that beginning at 10am. It may take sometime to go

through the law and to go through her reasoning, but at some point the

families and the survivors will be told either yes, there will be a

resumption of the inquest or no, there won't. It is a case of joy or

despair depending on the two rulings. Phil Mackie in Solihull

outside the Coroners' Court. Phil will be back with us when there is a

decision, of course. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary The Vote Leave campaign is calling

for big changes to the immigration system if Britain votes

to leave the EU. It wants to scrap the automatic

right of EU citizens to work in the UK and replace it

with a points based system, The Remain Campaign says the

proposals would wreck the economy. If you've got any questions

on the EU Referendum, let us know. The Ukip MP and supporter

of Vote Leave Douglas Carswell will be answering your questions

at 11.30am tomorrow morning You can get in touch via Twitter

using the hashtag BBC Ask This Nearly 8,000 people have been

arrested in England and Wales for driving under the influence

of drugs since April last year, when it became a specific

offence for the first time. The figures come from

a BBC Radio Five Live freedom of information request,

which gives the first insight The Metropolitan Police carried out

the most arrests followed A plan to build a lorry park

near the M20 in Kent to deal with congestion

when cross-Channel services are disrupted has been

criticised by MPs. The Transport Select Committee said

the decision to proceed with the park, which will cost

?250 million, was taken It comes after part of the M20

was used 32 times last summer by queuing lorries, a process

known as Operation Stack. New evidence has emerged of lengthy

delays in diagnosing and treating A survey of people in England,

Wales and Northern Ireland who have the illness,

found a fifth had to wait more than a year to see a specialist

after going to their GP. Here's our health

correspondent, Adam Brimelow. Nearly 12 months on from being

diagnosed with motor neurone disease, Bob Keats can still enjoy

walks with his family Two years ago he started developing

slurred speech, and then he had trouble breathing,

but it took repeated visits to his GP, and referrals

to a range of specialists, From the first onset of symptoms,

to getting face-to-face And that was only after

the neurologist had been suggested More than half of people with motor

neurone disease die within two There is no cure, but treatment can

ease the symptoms and slow progression so it's

important to avoid delays. More than 900 people with MND,

28% of those contacted, Of these, one in five had to wait

at least a year to see a neurologist Two in five went to their GP

at least three times before MND symptoms are similar to other

conditions, so it's But the survey suggests a scheme

to help them spot signs earlier The Royal College of GPs,

with the Motor Neurone Disease Association have

developed this very clear, simple list of symptoms,

which might indicate Bob Keats is making the most

of his remaining precious The family of a man who killed

himself at Chelmsford prison says lessons are not being learned on how

to treat inmates with mental health Across England and Wales 89

prisoners took their own lives last year, with this number likely to get

higher as investigations In 2014 the then Chief Inspector

of Prisons, Nick Hardwick, said prison overcrowding

was contributing to suicide. Japanese soldiers have joined

the search for a seven-year-old boy who has been missing

in mountains since Saturday. His parents had abandoned

him as a punishment. The couple have told police

they left the boy for only a few minutes, but he was gone

when they returned. The mountains, on the island

of Hokkaido, are known The world's longest, and deepest,

rail tunnel will be officially opened in Switzerland today,

after almost two decades The Gotthard tunnel is 35 miles long

and will provide a high-speed rail Carla Lane, one of Britain's most

successful television writers, She rose to fame after creating

several popular BBC series, including The Liver Birds,

Butterflies, and Bread. She was also a keen

animal rights activist. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. We will talk to Willie Thorne about

his gambling addition. At the height of his habit he was spending tens of

thousands of pounds a week. He will talk about how he tried to manage

that addiction. We will talk to his wife as well and the impact it had

on her. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

and If you text, you will be charged England supporters debating Roy

Hodgson's squad. Good morning.

England manager Roy Hodgson has selected their youngest squad

for a major tournament with an average age of 26.

The headline of course was the inclusion of Manchester United

striker Marcus Rashford, who will be the youngest player

at Euro 2016 when the tournament begins next week.

If you can play for Manchester United, still one of the biggest

clubs in the world, no matter what their form, playing in front of

75,000 people with the pressure that comes at playing at Manchester

United, he can handle international football no problem. He has done

incredibly well. He is young. He's fresh. He offers something a little

bit different. He is in very, very good form. Why wouldn't you take

him? Wales midfielder Joe Ledley

is in their squad less than month Gareth Bale will join up

with the squad today after winning his second

Champions League title Manager Chris Coleman has urged

the rest of his squad to follow You've got a great player which we

have and one of the best players in the world. Then you are talking

about levels that are extremely high. So we need to all try to be

realistic in where we can get to, but we need to be as best as we can.

To utilise what we've got and players like himself and we have got

top players, Ashley Williams and Joe Allen, but to back them up, we've

got good players also. Everybody wants to talk about certain players,

but we've got good players in this group.

Weather permitting, Andy Murray will play his French Open

He faces the home favourite Richard Gasquet after their match

The world number one Novak Djokovic was 4-1 up in the third set

of his last-16 tie, when the rain intervened.

He shared the first two sets with Spain's Roberto Bautista Agut.

Imagine being told continuing your sport could put your life at risk.

Well, that's what happened to England cricketer

James Taylor six weeks ago when he was diagnosed with

For a Special Radio 5 Live programme tonight Taylor has

met Fabrice Muamba, the retired footballer nearly

lost his life four years ago after suffering a cardiac problem

Enjoy every single moment you have with your friends, family, fiancee

and just embrace whatever life has to offer for you. For us to be alive

it is a huge bonus. There is people who weren't fortunate enough, you

know, to be alive because they found themselves in a similar situation to

us, but they won't be able to survive, but we have come to the

other side of it and be strong. We are still here so we have to enjoy

every day and enjoy our family. As soon as this happened you were my

inspiration and now it is funny sat here talking to you. Just appreciate

life and every second and life is a real gift that we've got.

That is on Radio 5 Live at 9pm tonight.

You can see more of the interview tomorrow on Derbyshire.

The family of a man who killed himself at Chelmsford prison says

lessons are not being learned on how to treat inmates with

Across England and Wales 89 prisoners took their own lives last

year, with this number likely to get higher as investigations

In 2014 the then Chief Inspector of Prisons, Nick Hardwick,

said prison overcrowding was contributing to suicide.

When there's a suicide in a jail, an investigation is carried out.

There've been 12 suicides at Chelmsford since 2011 and so far

nine reports have been carried out by the Prison

The prison's been criticised over six of those deaths.

Matt Precey from BBC Look East can tell us more.

First of all, Chelmsford Prison itself, what's it like? Chelmsford

ford is a category B prison and a Young Offenders Institution. It is a

local prison and this means a significant proportion of its

inmates are there on remand. They are there temporarily. There has

been a prison at that site since 1819 and it has an operational

capacity of 745. What have you found out then about the cases of suicide

at the jail? We have been through the nine most

recent ombudsman reports, of which six have had a serious criticisms.

These reports, some of them, echoed the concerns of the family you're

about to talk to. There are repeated references to suicide risk

information not being sheared -- shared. There was the case of Tony

Lake, found hanging in March last year. Staff were not alerted to a

report about the high risk of suicide. The same thing happened in

the previous incident at Chelmsford, which happened the same month. Simon

King, took his life in 2011, was placed on hourly monitoring, which

the PPO describes as poor practice. The findings of these reports are

not enforceable, so there is no obligation on the prison to

implement the recommendations. That chimes with the findings into last

year's review into prison suicide, which found mistakes are being

repeated across the prison system. What do Chelmsford prison say? The

prison officers Association point to a 25% reduction in staffing. They

told us not enough is being done to divert mentally ill people away from

custody. They quote figures shown that in 2010... By the end of last

year there were 686 incidents. They say there is an explicit connection

between the increase in suicide and self harming across the prison

estate, and budget cuts and reduction in staffing levels. Thank

you. Dean Saunders was taken to

Chelmsford jail and took his own life in January. His father, Mark

Saunders, is here. How are you? Yes, mixed emotions. It only happened in

January. It is still fresh. Annoyed. And angry. Like Matt said, I have

worked with Matt looking at previous investigations from the PPO, like

anyone else, had no dealings with prison until something like this

happened. I was shocked. I went back ten years of suicides at Chelmsford,

18 deaths in ten years, which is averaging nearly two a year. And

like Matt said, there is a kind of practice that the PPO -- PPO going

to investigate these deaths, they report their failings, they put in

recommendations, these recommendations are not enforceable.

There are no penalties, finds, nothing if they do not conform. And

when you look over the previous investigations, there are definitely

patterns. Lack of communication within the prison, lack of gathering

information, lack of listening, lack of training, lack of staff. Over and

over again. And it seems the same kind of thing in other prisons. They

pay for the funeral. They put their hands up and say, yes, we will learn

our lessons. The PPO openly investigations to put the

recommendations in, and then the state pay the family and everybody

moves on. And the same thing happens again and again. I think it is

worth, if you don't mind, telling your audience -- our audience a

little of how your son ended up in jail? We're running two

investigations, one with the prison and one with local mental health

partnerships. Our concerns are that Dean should never have gone to

prison. He was suffering some sort of mental illness which was totally

out of character. He should have been assessed Wylie was in custody

in the police station. And admitted to a secure hospital. You wanted him

to be sectioned for his protection and everybody else's protection. The

night before he had had a paranoid episode and he had attacked EU and

his brother and himself. That is how I got my injuries. He turned a knife

onto himself and looked me in the eyes and said, I've got to do this.

He was so paranoid, he thought there was a third party who was going to

give him a slow, tortuous death. And the only way he could escape that

was to take his own life. Like any other father, I couldn't stand by. I

wrestled him and I got injured. Because of the extent of the

injuries and the attack on his brother... He attacked his brother

because five and is before they were laughing together. He came back with

a knife from the kitchen and said, he has changed. He has physically

changed, dad. That is what I got when I took Dean to the ground. He

ended up being charged with attempted murder? He was not

charged. He was arrested in connection with attempted murder.

Yes. The police thought the mental health team would assess him and he

would be transferred. They interviewed him in the cell and they

came out, phoned me up and said they found it inconclusive because Dean

would not comply. Yet he was in a paranoid state. He had been in that

environment for nearly... Mental health staff visited him. Obviously

he was not going to comply. He feared the staff. He thought they

were the ones who were going to do this act. When he was in Chelmsford

jail, he was monitored regularly. 30 minute intervals, is that correct?

Initially, from the custody, he went to the magistrates court and he was

sent to Chelmsford for remand. The plan was he would get properly

assessed. And then we could percent everything. He was taken to

Chelmsford prison hospital. He went straight into the hospital.

Information came from the custody suite that he had tried to take his

own life and he had admitted to the police that he would take his own

life when he had the chance. Chelmsford prison put him on

constant suicide watch. On Monday morning, it seems like a handover

time, he was taken off. Their normal protocol would be to go from

constant to five minutes, ten minutes, 15 minutes. But the

decision was to go straight from constant to every Havenaar. These

half in our checks are not even monitored, they are not documented.

You do not even know how long. It could be longer. The investigation

has turned up that they are are definitely failings. I also took it

upon myself to learn the ins and outs of the prison. I know who

should be doing what. I even know what colour forms you have to fill

out and what colour trays you have to put them into. I am highlighting

some failings. The fact that went from constant supervision to every

30 minutes, when he had already expressed a desire to take his own

life, but before that he should never have been on remand in

Chelmsford jail because if the team had assessed incorrectly he would

have been taken to a secure hospital. He was an ill man. He was

ill. He has never been in trouble with the police. Totally out of

character. The police could see there was something wrong. The on

staff medic at the custody suite who asked for the assessment obviously

knew there was something wrong. More annoying that one of the doctors who

assessed him at Basildon police station, they actually sat on the

assessment. He was known to them. I found out that he would have needed

to be moved to what they call an intensive ward, which is a secure

hospital. What is it that you want now? There are so many different

things that have gone wrong. Like I said, I have not looked at prison

until something like this happened. I find a lot of people in prison who

should not be there in the first place. They say about the

overcrowding, but if they put the support structure outside of prison,

that. A lot of people going in there. So many in their have mental

health issues, learning El difficulties. -- learning health

difficulties. They do not get the support on the outside. There are

exposed to all sorts of issues, bullying, sexual abuse etc. When

they shared back they find themselves on the wrong side of the

law and they cannot cope with prison life. They self-harm and take their

lives. More should be done on the outside. But in terms of the gaol

stem cells... In terms of the jails themselves, it seems that what goes

on behind closed doors, stays behind closed doors. It does not seem like

anybody really bothered what was going on, who was doing what. The

ombudsman was bothered and is try to find out. As you said earlier, what

recommendations the prison ombudsman put forward do not have to be

implemented and that would seem to be a big flaw in the system to Yes,

and also if they are putting the same recommendations in time and

time again, surely they should be doing something? I asked them on our

investigation if they could say not only if they are failings, but they

failed to act on previous recommendations. They said they

could not do that, they could only make recommendations. They are not

enforceable. They should be enforceable. Like I said, the state

pay-out, they move on. Nobody is held responsible. Someone should

take the blame, someone should stand up and say, it was my fault. I did

not do my job properly. I am a bus driver. If I kill someone, I am held

responsible. Someone should be held responsible and maybe things might

change if they know that people are going to be held responsible for

their actions. Thank you so much for talking to us. We asked the Ministry

of Justice for an interview. We wanted them to come on the

programme. They turned down our request. They said the welfare and

well-being of those in their custody was a top priority. They said they

were training staff to respond to suicide, self-harm issues.

Coming up, snooker legend Willie Thorne tells us about his fight to

beat an addiction to gambling. We will talk to him in the next few

minutes. And abandoned as a punishment and now missing. Japanese

soldiers joined the search for a seven-year-old boy in remote

mountainous woods. Here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's main news. A coroner will announce later

today whether an inquest into the Birmingham pub bombings

in 1974, in which 21 people The original inquest was adjourned

a year after the attacks when six men were convicted

although they were later It's widely believed

the IRA was responsible. The coroner, who has been reviewing

the case, says she's received some The Vote Leave campaign is calling

for big changes to the immigration system if Britain votes to leave the

EU. It wants to scrap the automatic right of EU citizens to work in the

UK and replace it with a points -based system, similar to that used

in Australia. Remain can save the proposals would wreck the economy.

If you've got any questions on the EU Referendum, let us know.

The Ukip MP and supporter of Vote Leave Douglas Carswell

will be answering your questions at 11.30am tomorrow morning

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This

Nearly 8,000 people have been arrested in England and Wales

for driving under the influence of drugs since April last year,

when it became a specific offence for the first time.

The figures come from a BBC Radio Five Live freedom

of information request, which gives the first insight

The Metropolitan Police carried out the most arrests followed

A plan to build a lorry park near the M20 in Kent to deal

with congestion when cross-Channel services are disrupted has

The Transport Select Committee said the decision to proceed

with the park, which will cost ?250 million pounds,

was taken "hastily" by the government.

It comes after part of the M20 was used 32 times last summer

by queuing lorries, a process known as Operation Stack.

The family of a man who killed himself at Chelmsford prison says

lessons are not being learned on how to treat inmates with

Across England and Wales 89 prisoners took their own lives last

year, with this number likely to get higher as investigations

In 2014 the then Chief Inspector of Prisons, Nick Hardwick,

said prison overcrowding was contributing to suicide.

The world's longest and deepest rail tunnel will be opened in Switzerland

today. The tunnel is 35 miles long and will provide a high-speed rail

link for freight. The project cost ?8.5 billion. Now back to Victoria.

Thank you for your comments about Mark Saunders who took his own life

in January this year. Jane on e-mail says, "Sadly I'm living through my

first and only Prison Service experience. Finding my partner in

jail. Everything said about Chelmsford is by no means isolated

to that jail. It is widespread across the service. I'm surprised

there are not many more suicides. In trying to help loved ones through

and do anything about the awful system, it is difficult for get us

to get through the system bureaucracy. I'm not optimistic that

the Government's proposed changes to the Criminal Justice System will

result in much improvement." Paul e-mails to say, "I was a prison

officer for 25 years. The main problem is a lack of staff. There

are thousands of prisoners that should be in mental health

institutions, but the lack of places results in people being placed in

jails and this will keep happening." Kelly tweets this, "People do care

on the inside. I mean staff, says Kelly, but there just aren't enough

of us." News from the Organisation for

Economic Co-operation and Development. It is one of the

biggest global think-tanks. It says leaving the European Union would

have a substantial impact on the UK and global economy. While also

sparring turmoil in world stock markets. So the OECD has just said

in the last minute or so that Britain leaving the European Union

would have a substantial impact on the UK and the global economy whilst

also sparking turmoil until world stock markets. More reaction to that

throughout the programme. It is time for the sports headlines.

Good morning. Varying opinions on the England

squad in today's newspapers. Are they too inexperienced

or will youthful exuberance prevail? We'll hear from Roy Hodgson today

after he included the 18-year-old Manchester United striker

Marcus Rashford in his squad. As could Chris Coleman's

selection of Joe Ledley. He's in the Wales squad less

than a month after suffering After winning the Champions League

with Real Madrid last weekend, Gareth Bale will join up

with the squad today. Steve Evans has become the sixth

Leeds United manager The Scot parted company

with the club last night after just and if the rain ever relents

in Paris, Andy Murray will play Richard Gasquet today for a place

in the French Open semi-finals. This morning, former snooker

champion Willie Thorne, who's been addicted to gambling

for much of his adult life, tells this programme of his daily

fight to resist gambling again. Willie Thorne, who's now bankrupt

after racking up debts of ?1 million, says his

gambling became so bad At the height of his addiction

he was spending tens He now says he's spent 18 months

trying to avoid it, The 62-year-old, who has appeared

on Strictly Come Dancing and is a BBC commentator,

says more needs to be done and is a BBC commentator,

shops and online bookies. Hello. Tell our audience Willie how

much gambling controlled you? Well, it got to a state when I was a

professional snooker player, I got to a state where I was thinking I

have got to get to the quarterfinal of a tournament to pay off the debt.

The last time was three years ago when through the company I was

involved with that lied to me about my 30% interest in the company and

that just suddenly spiralled out of control then and there is something

that triggers you doing it genl. I have been virtually in control of it

for the last two or three years, but three years ago was the moment when

I went out of debt. There were pictures in a newspaper this year of

you sitting at a fixed odds betting terminal. Do you count that as a

relapse or not? Not at all. This was taken out of all contest. John Virgo

and Ken Doherty were doing a world exhibition and we went in to watch

the exhibition and have something to eat. I put ?20 in a machine and

suddenly somebody took a picture of me. Is it not like alcoholism, if

you are an alcoholic, if you have one drink that opens the door to

further drinking in is it not the same? Yeah, I think so. You're

always tempted. But I'm not earning the amount of money I used to earn

now. With splitting from my management company I'm finding it a

struggle. When you have been lied to for a long time, it is hard to kind

of, you know, get yourself going again. What impact has it had on

you, Jill? Well, obviously I didn't realise the depths of the gambling

and it was a shock to be honest because I knew he was gambling but

it was under control as far as I knew. It was fun? It is not a crime,

is it? If you keep it with responsible, you know, it is the

same as anything, eating, drinking, smoking, but the shock was when

people were knocking on the door for debts to be paid which I didn't know

about at the time and that was a great shock. And then also, you

know, it is the stress that comes with it. I'm glad I was with him

when we were in Sheffield and we went into that casino as guests, we

were invited to go in because he was with me and he wasn't doing anything

out of order, just like everybody else, he put ?20 is not ?20,000, you

know. Did you think that was all right then? Yes. Yeah, you set your

limits don't you? If you read the leaflets for the gambling aware you

set your limits, but it is not something I have been involved with,

you know, it is only just recently that I found out. So after that

initial shock then how do you adjust and think, "OK, we need to sort this

if we can." What do you do? It is difficult because it is the deceit

and the lies really. The same with anything, drug taking, alcohol, the

person involved always wants to deny it and cover it and sugar coat it.

So it is getting past that to the truth. And making sure really I'm

with him most of the time, but you know, you're doing quite well,

aren't you? It is fine. It is fine. Financially I'm secure at the

moment, but I work. I do after dinners, I dot commentary on the

smaoker and enjoy life and do the odd TV programme, Strictly and Cash

In The Attic and you keep battling on and it was a thing that happened

three years ago that kind of triggered me suddenly going berserk

and I wanted to win enough money to tell the management company where to

go. They coned me into thinking I was a 30% shareholder, but I wasn't.

As Jill said, you were lying to her? You think it is a white lie though.

You don't think it is a bad thing. You don't need to tell her, I'm

protecting her? When you are a gambler, you think tomorrow you can

win. When you've run out of money drinking, you can't buy a drink

anymore. Credit, anybody from the street can go into a bookmakers and

if they start gambling ?300 or ?300 they are given ?1,000 credit. The

argument against that, it is up to the individual to say, "No, thank

you. Yeah, you have choices. It is hard, buff a choice. Whether you are

an alcoholic or a drug taker or gambler... When you're gripped by

the addiction. Do you see it as an illness? Oh, absolutely. Oh without

a doubt. It spoilt my life. It cost me my first marriage, gambling, I

went bankrupt 15 or 16 years ago and that cost me my first marriage. I've

met Jill now. We have been together 22 years and she has been a rock.

She stood by me thick and thin. You know, I'm happy, we're happy, but

we've got to knuckle down and start again. I know previously you've

talked about other sports in football for example, players on

masses of money every week, ?100,000 a week and they are in debt. I know

of two premiership players, one of which is getting ?80,000 a week and

one is getting ?100,000 a week and they have had to remortgage their

house. That's not common knowledge at the moment. The problem with

sport you get so much free time. Most clubs ban them playing cards on

the bus because they weren't playing a card for ?20 each, they were

betting hundreds of thousands of pounds on the bus. The same in the

snooker. We used to have a game of poker now and things and casinos, it

was never really been my forte, it was something I don't think that's a

way I'd like to gamble. My problem was horses. I used to love betting

on the horses. I think you had your first bet at 15. My father had a

horse. That's how it first happened. My near a pub and he had a horse and

I was involved in watching the horses and things and because of

there was no snooker clubs in my area, to want to improve I had to go

to a snooker club. In the snooker club, if you wanted a television you

went in the snooker club because they could get it for you and

gamblers were in there. I have been in touch with gambling since I was

16 years of age. Jill have you forgiven your husband for the lies

and the deceit? Yes. In a way. There was a hesitation. I'm surprised she

said yes. It is difficult really to come to terms with the fact that he

was very, very secretive, but I can understand that he was trying to

protect me and at the didn't want me to know. Who wants to go home and

say o to their wife, "I've just lost ?20,000." My wife was carrying on as

normal because I had, you know, I've got two children, I've got three

grandchildren and I was working as well, so very much wrapped up in

normal every day life, so not really knowing what he was doing when he

wasn't with me. So you know... This is how gamblers are as well, you

never leave with nothing in your pocket. I would always keep ?100 in

my pocket. If Jill said, "Let's go down to the pub for a bite to eat."

I would never say I have lost it gambling. I never went completely

broke. Obviously bankruptcy you are completely broke. I always kept 100

quid and she never knew the full extent. Really it is an illness and

that's how I viewed it. The fact that he tried to commit suicide

twice and that was the biggest shock. Something is broken, you try

and mend it and that's what I have always tried to do with him. And not

to walk away. So obviously if you love somebody, that's a natural

thing to do. Is there total honesty now, do you think? Oh, absolutely,

yeah. I would be lying if I said I didn't have a few pounds on the

Lottery every week. At the minute, it is a chance... Again, that's not

a crime. I have not been in a betting shop for over 18 months.

Allegedly I was seen going into a Ladbrokes and place a substantial

bet because is nonsense because there is no Ladbrokes in the village

I'm in. I have never been in a betting shop for 18 months of the

When you are in the public eye it becomes more knowledgeable people

are out there looking and taking pictures or whatever and it looks

bad even if it is not sometimes. Some comments from our viewers. Adam

on Twitter says, "Grease to see you raising awareness of the tragedies."

Brendan tweets, "The Government needs to ban all gamble adverts on

TV for a start and get rid of the fixed point betting machines." Na,

"I am a compulsive gambler and I have been off gambling for 16 years

now. I still have this illness until the day I die. I recently had to

leave my job with a council due to lack from help and recognition for

this illness. There are various organisations out there who can help

and one of them is Gambles Anonymous." You never used them? I

never used Gamblers Anonymous. I never gambled every day. I never got

up and thought, "I need to have a bet." Sometimes I would go a week

without having a bet, but the biggest thing with going back to the

bookmakers is they are always giving little things to entice people N

there is an advert in, if your horse comes second you get your money

back. All those things. People are thinking, it is bound to be first or

second. If it wins, I win. There is so many different things like that.

Going back to the credit, I think the country is in a terrible state

because of credit cards and credit. Graham on Twitter says, "Surely a

casino who invites a known problem gambler into their establishment

must have a motive for doing so?" Every year at the World

Championship, the casino have an exhibition of snooker, Ken Doherty

and John Virgo, after I finished commentating, we go into the casino

to meet the lads, I wasn't going in to bet on the tables and the snooker

exhibition hadn't finished and we had ?20 on the machine before we

went into dinner and that's how simple it was. Thank you. Thank you

for. Nice to meet you. Nice to see you both.

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The Birmingham pub bombings were the deadliest terrorist

attack on mainland Britain for at least 60 years.

On a quiet November evening in 1974, two pubs were blown apart

This is how the devastating events unfolded.

Two explosions went off within seconds of each other. In such

confined surroundings packed with youngsters, the explosions inflicted

hideous injuries. 21 people died. 166 were maimed and mutilated and

lay screaming in the darkness. The force of one of the explosions was

so greatly damaged a bus passing in the street. Within minutes, the

bombers were changing trains at Crewe, not knowing they had already

committed mass murder, not knowing police had heard about a suspicious

Irishman on the train. When the bombers arrived at the ferry, the

police were waiting. Four of the five were detained. Paddy Hill got

onto the boat but was arrested before its sale. All five were taken

to Morecambe police station while detectives drove up to interrogate

them. At that time the man who had given the order for the bombing,

travelling by a different route, was already in Ireland and out of reach

of the police. A year after the blasts in 1975,

six people were found guilty But the Court of Appeal ruled

the verdicts were unsafe In the next hour a judge will decide

whether to reopen the inquests into those who were killed,

to try and find out what happened. It is actually a coroner who will

make this decision. What kind of things will she be considering? Yes

it is Louise Hunt, the Birmingham coroner. There have been several

days of submissions before today's hearing. She hired lawyers arguing

from both sides. On behalf of the family and survivors, they argue

there is a lot to come out about the events. And that there are serious

questions that need to be answered. This may be the only chance to hear

those, to hear that evidence in public in their lifetime. A lot of

them are in their 60s, 70s and 80s. They have asked for a public

enquiry, that has not happened. West Midlands Police have looked at the

evidence and there is not enough to bring prosecutions. We heard from

West Midlands Police to say that the job of the coroner is simply to

determine who died at the circumstances surrounding their

deaths. We know what happened in those cases, they say, so there is

no need for an inquest. I think what the families and survivors will be

looking at is what happened regarding Hillsborough, and hoping

the submissions made on their behalf will persuade Louise Hunt that yes,

an inquest can be heard. We already know from her the last time we were

here, that she has had some significant new evidence never

before heard, never written about, which has already been submitted.

They want to know what that is, and whether or not, for instance, the

security services knew anything about the bombs in advance, whether

there were, whether the authorities were guilty of not evacuating the

pubs quickly enough and perhaps adding to the death toll that night.

I have been to Dublin to speak to the former IRA intelligence chief,

Kieran Conway, to get his views of what happened that night 42 years

ago. I remember the bombs, the reports of

the bombs and being absolutely shocked and appalled.

I have got one person very interested in what is happening.

That is Bill Craig. Tell us about your experiences and who you lost

that night? My brother was the last one to die. He died on Monday the

9th of December. He was 34. I was 27. I found him the following day in

Birmingham hospital. At four o'clock on the Friday. All of these years on

you have never had the answers. You always wanted to know who is

responsible. Is this the last chance you will get? No, it is not the last

chance. If the coroner says no, we will still carry on. There are other

things in the pipeline and this will hang over Birmingham until we get

the truth. For a long time the Birmingham pub bombings and the

victims of it seemed to be forgotten. Why is there more

interest in the case now four decades on? I don't know, it is hard

to say. With Hillsborough, they stuck together. This is so painful

for the families and it has been firm E4 40 years, it is so painful

to go over this again. -- for me for 40 years. We want to know what

happened on that Thursday night because we have not been told the

truth. I spoke to survivors and relatives and they said they would

never get the answers. Let's leave it now, it is too hard. I think

there has been a change, actually. More people are turning up today and

more people are getting involved in the campaign. The coroner is aware

of significant information. We are not aware of it. I honestly cannot

see her not going ahead with this but we still have doubts. We have

been pushed back so many times. What has been said by Mr Underwood, you

cannot see her say no. Mr Underwood, who represents the families, the

barrister, has said there may be -- have been advance knowledge that

there would be bombs planted in Birmingham, not that night but at

some stage. You would clearly want to hear whether that is the case?

Yes, we want to know the truth. The coroner has said she will ask the

Ministry of Defence, the Foreign Office and secret services to

provide the evidence if she goes ahead with the inquest. I think that

will be held in private. I do not think we will get to know that. I

think we should but I don't think we will. What about the police that

night? There has been a suggestion they were slow to react. You were

there that night and that next day. Do you think there was a chance that

perhaps more people could have been saved? I think so, yes. There is a

possibility the pubs could have been cleared. They had a warning. Then

there was a thing about the emergency services not turning up,

people being taken to hospital in private cars and black cabs. This

could more lives have been saved? Could be pubs have been cleared?

Could more lives have been saved on the way to the hospital? Kieran

Conway, the IRA chief of intelligence at the time, said there

was a mistake, that the bombers actually should have had better

plans to get the warnings in. They did not intend to kill civilians, it

was a disaster for the IRA. Does that make you feel better? Not

really, no. Kieran Conway knows who is responsible. Chris Mullen knows

who is responsible. The West Midlands Police know who is

responsible and nobody is doing anything about it and that is true.

Thank you for talking to us. Louise Hunt is about to begin delivering

that ruling. It is impossible to say how long it will take. It could be

half an hour, it could be an hour. As soon as we have the ruling, I

will be out to talk to you. Thank you both. Now the weather with

Carol. Good morning. We have lots of

different weather around the country. Beautiful sunshine. This is

in Northern Ireland. Lovely blue skies. We have had some rain. This

picture is from Norfolk. We have changed the colour bra strap to

read. It was green. That is because we are following the meteorological

seasons. Today is the first day of summer. You would not believe it

looking at that picture! We use a lot of Weather Watchers pictures. If

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get them into the weather centre, we use them on television or burned

down the land through the national and regional forecasts. This was

sent in this morning. Again, lovely blue skies in contrast to what we

are looking at as we push elsewhere. In Suffolk and it has been a Web

start. Today we're looking at a mixture of patchy rain and some

sunshine. Do send us your pictures. We love seeing them. Thank you for

sending in those we have already had. We have 110,000 Weather

Watchers. They have sent in half a million pictures so far. We have

cloud. Towards the West, a beautiful day. Temperatures climbing rapidly.

If you are exposed to the northerly wind, it is a brisk wind and it is a

cold wind. Across England and Wales we have got a lot of cloud, some

murky conditions and some patchy rain and drizzle. Drift out towards

the West, Northern Ireland has got a cracking day. Temperatures 19 to 20.

Yesterday the top temperature was in Glasgow. In the north and north-east

of Scotland we are going to be prone to more cloud. That keen wind really

making it feel colder and those temperatures suggest. North-west

England started off on a brighter note but cloud building through the

day. For the rest of England we carry on with cloud and drizzle.

Rain getting down into Cornwall. Some sunny spells. Pembrokeshire

seeing some sunshine. The rest of Wales prone to patchy rain. Still

pretty windy overnight. A lot of cloud as well. Rain turning more

showery. The heaviest rain will be across the English Channel. To the

west and north, under clear skies, patchy mist and fog will lift quite

readily tomorrow. Tomorrow, for much of Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales

and south-west England we are looking at some sunny skies. Showers

in the south-east. Rain in the far north of Scotland. Despite the fact

we have got all this cloud, here and there we will see some brighter

skies at times. As we move into Friday and Saturday, it is the north

and west that hangs the sunshine. Central and eastern areas will have

more cloud and thundery showers. Our top story today,

in the next few minutes a coroner will announce whether inquests

will be resumed into the Birmingham Families believe it could be

their last chance to hear evidence in public that wasn't available

in 1974 and find out from the police and security services

what really happened. It's alleged the authorities didn't

do enough to evacuate the two pubs. NEWSREEL: Two explosions have gone

off within seconds of each other in such confined surroundings packed

with youngsters, the blasting explosive inflicted hideous

injuries. 21, including Jane Davis, and her friends died.

Liam Feed murdered by his mother as partner. Other children were kept in

a cage and tied to a chair. We will ask how the abuse went unnoticed for

so long? And the father of a mentally ill dad

of one who killed himself in prison tells this programme his treatment

there was "despicable". They said there was failings and

we'll learn from these. The PPO put the recommendations in and then the

State pay the family and everyone moves on.

Before 11am we will get reaction from the Prison Officers'

Association. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary A coroner will announce

today whether an inquest into the Birmingham pub bombings

in 1974, in which 21 people The original inquest was adjourned

days after the attack and because of the criminal

investigation, which later resulted in the conviction of six men,

it was never resumed. The so-called Birmingham Six

were acquitted in 1991. The bombs ripped through

the two Birmingham pubs 21 people were killed

and 181 were injured. An inquest was opened,

but adjourned in 1975 when six men were tried

and convicted of the bombings. But they were cleared

by the Appeal Court in 1991. Twice since then, the police have

reviewed the evidence and been The coroner says she has received

a significant new piece of evidence that's never been heard before

about the attacks all those years ago here at the Tavern

in the town and along What the families are hoping

is there will be an inquest because it could be the last chance

they get in their lifetimes to hear some of the evidence

about what went on that night. Several of the men responsible

are believed to still be alive, but in an exclusive interview

with the BBC, a senior IRA figure at the time says it is unlikely

they'll ever face trial. The only way there could be

convictions would be if the man walked into police stations

in the UK and confessed to their parts in the bombing

and that ain't going to happen. Which means everything

rests on today's ruling. Campaigners have described

the possibility that the inquest The Vote Leave Campaign is calling

for big changes to the immigration system if Britain votes

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of Vote Leave Douglas Carswell will be answering your questions

at 11.30am tomorrow morning You can get in touch via Twitter

using the hashtag BBC Ask This Nearly 8,000 people have been

arrested in England and Wales for driving under the influence

of drugs since April last year, when it became a specific

offence for the first time. The figures come from

a BBC Radio Five Live freedom of information request,

which gives the first insight The Metropolitan Police carried out

the most arrests followed A plan to build a lorry park

near the M20 in Kent to deal with congestion when cross-Channel

services are disrupted has The Transport Select Committee said

the decision to proceed with the park, which will cost

?250 million, was taken "hastily" It comes after part of the M20

was used 32 times last summer by queuing lorries, a process known

as Operation Stack. The family of a man who killed

himself at Chelmsford prison says lessons are not being learned on how

to treat inmates with Across England and Wales, 89

prisoners took their own lives last year, with this number likely to get

higher as investigations In 2014, the then Chief Inspector

of Prisons, Nick Hardwick, Mark Saunders told this programme he

thought some staff weren't concerned about inmates welfare. Someone

should take the blame and stand up and say, "It was my fault. I didn't

do my job properly." I am a bus driver. If I kill someone, I'm held

responsible. Someone should be held responsible. Maybe things might

change if they know that people are going to be held responsible for

their actions. Carla Lane, one of Britain's most

successful television writers, She rose to fame after creating

several popular BBC series, including The Liver Birds,

Butterflies, and Bread. She was also a keen

animal rights activist. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Thanks Maxine. Thank you for your

comments about suicide in jail. You saw a clip of Mark Saunders talking

about the death of his Son, Dean. He was on remand at Chelmsford. This

e-mail from someone who doesn't give their name. "My 24-year-old nephew

was in jail. He was on a 15 minute suicide watch, within that quarter

of an hour he took his own life. How did the authorities believe you

won't be able to take your life in that time? It doesn't make sense?"

Somebody watching the programme who works in a prison, "The biggest

issue facing prisoners when they are received into custody is the delay

receiving their medication, they panic and deteriorate. Overcrowding

is a smoke screen to cover-up the real medical failings, but many

mentally ill prisoners should not be there at all." You're welcome to get

in touch with us. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

and If you text, you will be charged Here's the sport

with Hugh Woozencroft. A few moments ago it has been

announced that the governing body of Boxing has voted to allow

professionals into this summer's The AIBA says 26 entry places

are available at a qualifying That means the IBF World Heavyweight

champion Anthony Joshua could defend Earlier this year Wladimir Klitschko

said he'd love to represent Ukraine, 20 years after he won a gold

medal in Atlanta. England manager Roy Hodgson has

selected their youngest squad for a major tournament

with an average age of 26. The headline of course

was the inclusion of Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford,

who will be the youngest player at Euro 2016 when the tournament

begins next week. If you can play for Manchester

United, still one of the biggest clubs in the world, no matter their

form, playing in front of 75,000 people with all the pressures of

playing for Manchester United. I has done incredibly well. He is young

and fresh and he offers something a little bit dimpblet he is in very,

very good form. Why wouldn't you take him?

Wales midfielder Joe Ledley is in their squad less than month

Gareth Bale will join up with the squad today

after winning his second Champions League title

Manager Chris Coleman has urged the rest of his squad to follow

We have got' great player and one of the best players in the world. Then

you're talking about levels that are extremely high. So we need to all

try to be realistic in where we can get to, but we need to be as best as

we can to utilise what we've got and players like himself and Ram burn,

we have got top players, Ashley Williams and Joe Allen. To back them

up, we've got good players. I know everybody wants to talk about

certain players, but we have got good players in this group.

Imagine being told continuing your sport could put your life at risk.

Well that's what happened to England cricketer James Taylor six weeks ago

when he was diagnosed with a potentially fatal heart condition.

For a Special Radio 5 Live programme tonight Taylor has

met Fabrice Muamba, the retired footballer nearly

lost his life four years ago after suffering a cardiac problem

Enjoy every single moment you have with your friends, family and

fiancee and just embrace whatever life has to offer for you because

for us to be alive it is a huge bonus. There is people who weren't

fortunate enough, you know, to be alive because they find themselves

in a similar situation to us, but they won't be able to survive, but

we have come to the other side of it and be strong. We're still here. So

we have to enjoy every day and enjoy our family. As soon as this

happened, you were my inspiration and now it is funny sat here talking

to you and that's the message that you're saying back to me, just

appreciate life and every second and life is a real gift that we've got.

James Taylor meets Fabrice Muamba IS on 5live at 9pm and see

more of the interview here on Derbyshire tomorrow.

Look forward to that, thank you very much, Hugh.

This is two-year-old Liam Fee, neglected and abused

by his mother and her partner until they eventually killed him.

His lifeless body was found in a buggy.

He'd been struck so hard in his midriff

Yesterday his mother and her partner were found guilty of his murder.

They were also convicted of abusing two other boys.

One was kept in a cage, another tied to a chair

in a dark room where snakes and rats were kept.

They'd told the children the animals were there to "eat

The children were also forced to eat dog mess and vomit.

You didn't see him. You didn't know he existed to be honest with you.

REPORTER: Did you ever see him in the street in the buggy? Yes, but

always coveredment never saw him sit up and look or that, but why does he

keep himself covered? Because he doesn't like to interact with other

people because he gets upset. There were a range of agencies

involved in supporting Liam and his family and the details of that will

be looked at through the significant case review. You can't call it

anything other than a failure, can you? I think it is important that we

allow the significant case review to consider the circumstances of what's

happened with Liam in some detail. It is a horrific case. The because

and the neglect and when Liam dies one of the children have to admit to

his death. It our partner agencies we teased out the truth and

discredited Rachel and Nyomi's version of events.

There were more than 30 injuries on Liam Fee's body including

bruising to his private parts and fractures to his

Liam's mother Rachel Trelfa and her partner Nyomi Feead had

Liam's mother Rachel Trelfa and her partner Nyomi Fee had had

Googled searches such as "how do you die of a broken hip",

"how long can you live with a broken bone" and "can wives be

They were asked about it during a police interview.

Did you have any drawers? Can you tell us when they were used for?

It is 9.24pm. "If I go to jail, who pays your bills?"

, "Can wives be in prison together?" There was like no emotion in them.

They weren't bothered. They were sort of laughing and joking that

they were going to get sent to jail for neglect because they knew they

were getting done with neglect anyway that's what they were saying,

but laughing and joking, "Do you think we will get the same cell

together?" Stuff like that. Evidence provided by other children

was crucial in this case. As the police put it,

"This was a complex, challenging and sensitive

investigation which involved interviewing two young children

to establish the level of abuse and neglect both they and Liam Fee

had been subjected to." To get some

insight into this kind of work, Alison Levitt QC is head

of business crime at the law She was the Principal Legal Advisor

to the Director of Public Prosecutions and drew up a set

of Guidelines on Prosecuting Cases And speaking to us from Edinburgh

is Alison Todd, Chief Executive And Professor Brigid Daniel from the

University of Stirling. How do you react to this case? The whole of

Scotland is really shocked from this case. It was quite unimaginable

cruelty and unimaginable to imagine the suffering of the children

involved. All of us looking for answers -- are looking for answers.

It is important to be significant case review does pick up on the

unanswered questions so we can make sure that no one suffers in the same

way that Liam Fee did. What are some of the questions you would like

answered? There were a range of people who raised concerns. It is

important that we understand how we can better coordinate concerns going

forward. I think we have heard that Liam fell off the radar. Again it is

important to understand why that happened and make sure that we make

provision so it does not happen again. Professor Daniel, on at least

three occasions social services were alerted by Liam's Nursery, a

childminder, someone who saw them on the street and saw Liam in his

buggy, did not know whether he was dead or alive. What does the case

review needs to find out first ball? It is difficult for us to comment on

a particular situation. There has been a huge amount of work over the

last few years in Scotland trying to improve the arrangements for

multidisciplinary discussions around complex situations like this. One of

the things would be to ascertain what happened then. Perhaps even

more important is to look at the situation today post the

disciplinary developments, to see if there is a better approach to the

different disciplines being able to share their concerns together.

Rather than one discipline trying to make a referral to another. The

Scottish framework for children, that is the aspiration. It has been

shown to work where it has been piloted. There are better mechanisms

for the different disciplines to compare notes about concerns. I

would say this is not typical of the kind of situations many

practitioners are working with. This is a situation where it appears as

if people were trying to avoid any contact with professionals. Whereas

the kind of chronic neglect people are working with tends to be

different from this specific case. Indeed, the family, when they were

approached, they would lie about Liam's injuries. They would say he

had fallen over, there was absolutely nothing wrong. Yes, one

of the real challenges for social workers is that they need -- and it

is the same for other professionals involved with children, may have

been empathic support for parents, understanding the challenges of

parenting, particularly in times of austerity, but also being able to

maintain that sharp focus on the part of the child and assessing the

risks of the child. -- for the child. It is getting that balance

right. It is a very tricky balance to attain. If you are overly

vigilant and overly judgmental, then society feels as if the profession

is overly intrusive. Whereas if we stand back and provide more support

rather than protection, the system is accused of not being alert

enough. It is a constant challenge trying to get that right. I think in

Scotland there has been a lot of work going on in the last few years

to try to take that head on. Let me bring in Alison Levet QC. Those who

witnessed Liam Fee's torture, apart from the perpetrators, were young

children. How do you go about drawing information out from

children who witnessed such behaviour? Interestingly, until

relatively recently, as recently as 1986, very young children were

presumed to -- to be incapable of giving evidence in court. Even those

who were a bit older, judges were forced to remind juries of the

dangers of convicting on their evidence unless they had supporting

evidence. There was a turning point, probably in the case of baby P,

which many people will remember, in which a four and a half -year-old

child gave evidence about what had happened to her when was to. -- two.

If children's evidences excluded, there may be some crimes that go

unpunished because, as appears to have been the case here, the

children may be the only witnesses. The second thing is that with

appropriate safeguards, children can give evidence that is not only

reliable, but is incredibly persuasive as well. The critical

question for the court is whether or not the child is capable of

understanding the question and giving an understandable answer to

that question. If that is the case, it becomes a matter for the jury as

to whether or not that child is telling the truth or might be

exaggerating. Obviously trained professionals will be the ones

talking to those children. They have two ask questions in a particular

way. They cannot influence the child. It is wrong to treat children

as miniature adults. Their brains do not work the same way. They may not

have the sophistication of vocabulary that an adult may have to

explain the nuances of what has happened. Their memories, or the

recall of their memories, does not work in the same way. They may not

remember things as a linear progression. Or they might be

susceptible to wanting to please people. We know the way the

questions are asked can be very influential in the way the child

responds. A tag question is one that contains both a statement and a

question in the same sentence, as it were. Something like, and advocate

saying, daddy did not hit you, did he? That is confusing to a child

because it is a statement from a personal authority with a question

at the end. Now we have two things that have advanced the development

of children's evidence in court. The first is that all police officers

taking evidence have to be specially trained. The evidence is taken on

video. There is the full disclosure of not only what was said but what

was asked. That video can be played in court. We also have

intermediaries. They are specially trained people. They are not

interpreters. They are there to assist a vulnerable witness, it

could be a child or someone with learning difficulties, by saying for

example, I am not sure that she understood that question. Can you

explain it? If the child's evidences videoed and that is played in court,

how can the evidence be tested? The defence advocate is entitled to ask

questions on cross examination. How that is done is now carefully

controlled by judges to ensure the child is capable of giving his or

her best evidence, but it is properly tested. The advocates have

to change to meet the needs of the witness rather than the witness

accommodating the needs of the court. Thank you for coming on the

programme. Thank you all of you. We're expected a decision any time

now on whether the inquests into the 1974 Birmingham pub

bombings will re-open. A coroner has been reviewing

the case and says some of the new material she's

received is significant. In the last few minute coroner

Louise Hunt began the hearing by describing the 1974 bombings

as a "terrible atrocity resulting in multiple deaths

of innocent people". She then read out the names

of all 21 victims. Julie Hambleton - whose 18 year

old sister Maxine died in the bombings - spoke to reporters

on her way into the Coroners' Court. She said if the coroner decided not

to hold new inquests into the deaths of those who died -

she would be devastated. We have never had an inquest. And we

believe we have the right to go through the same process as any

other process who lost a loved one in suspicious circumstances. That is

all we want. How important is this to you as a group? It is momentous.

This is the most important day in our lives and for the memory of our

loved ones. Everything we do, we do for our loved ones and for a

surviving parents and siblings. All we want is the truth. And justice

and accountability to come alongside that. Any family in our position

would want what we want. Whilst we wouldn't wish any other family to

walk in our shoes, if they did, they would understand the desire for us

to come to a day like today. I mean, you have to remember, the

accumulation of where we are today has come about on the back of our

fantastic supporters in Birmingham, around the country, people would

travel from Wales, London, all over, too, and support us and still do.

Northern Ireland and Ireland, all over the world, even. And the

fantastic local newspaper, the Birmingham mail, has become one of

our staunchest supporters. And without our legal team based in

Belfast, we would not be where we are today. And we will be, forever,

indebted to all of them. As soon as there is a decision we

will bring it to you first. Still to come, the continuing horror of the

battle for Falluja. The UN warns of civilians being used as human

shields and 20,000 trapped children, some being forced to fight for

Islamic State in Iraq. 75 grams of the Japanese defence forces have

joined the search for a boy missing in mountains since Saturday. His

parents admitted leaving him in a densely forested region populated by

wild bears, as a punishment for throwing stones. They say it was for

about five minutes. When they returned to collect him, he had

disappeared. Let's talk to our correspondent who has been following

the story from Singapore. Fill us in with more details will stop

Victoria, as you said, today was the first day the Japanese military got

involved, searching for the seven-year-old boy who has been

missing since Saturday. Police officers, firefighters and civilians

have been looking for him with no luck. It is getting late, it is

getting dark in Japan and there has been no news. I presume the search

effort will probably have to continue tomorrow on day six since

he went missing. They are concerned about his health, because he is

believed to be dressed in just a T-shirt with no water, no food. And

the area is believed to be home to wild bears. There were fresh bear

tracks found. Not just those volunteers searching and police

officers, but local hunters were added to the search in case of wild

bears appearing when they were looking. What kind of reaction has

there been to the parents acknowledging they had left their

son there as a punishment, albeit for five minutes? There have been

different reactions, when you compare local media and online. On

local media television, the father spoke to them briefly over the

weekend, apologising for troubling Sony people with the search effort.

And they have not really been criticising the father or the

parents just yet. They seem to be respecting the families privacy as

well as focusing on the boy's safety. Online it is a totally

different story. A lot of people criticising the parents, saying this

is abuse and not discipline. Of course, just like everywhere else,

opinions are split about what the appropriate measure is to discipline

your child. But it seems like everyone agrees that leaving a child

in a mountainous forest was a step too far. Thank you very much. Coming

up in the last Havenaar, Madonna and Guy Ritchie are back in court today.

The latest twist in their custody battle over their teenage son. We

bring you the details. And the family of a mentally ill father of

one who killed himself in jail has told this programme his treatment

was despicable. We get reaction to the interview from prison officers.

With the News here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom.

A coroner will announce today whether inquests into the Birmingham

pub bombings in 1974, in which 21 people died,

The original inquests were adjourned because of the criminal

investigation that ended with the conviction of six men

It's widely believed the IRA was behind the attacks.

The coroner who has been reviewing the case says she's received some

The Vote Leave Campaign is calling for big changes to the immigration

system if Britain votes to leave the EU.

It wants to scrap the automatic right of EU citizens to work

in the UK and replace it with a points-based system,

The Remain Campaign say the proposals would

Nearly 8,000 people have been arrested in England and Wales

for driving under the influence of drugs since April last year,

when it became a specific offence for the first time.

The figures come from a BBC Radio Five Live freedom

of information request, which gives the first insight

The Metropolitan Police carried out the most arrests followed

A plan to build a lorry park near the M20 in Kent to deal

with congestion when cross-Channel services are disrupted has

The Transport Select Committee said the decision to proceed

with the park, which will cost ?250 million, was taken "hastily"

It comes after part of the M20 was used 32 times last summer

by queuing lorries, a process known as Operation Stack.

One in five people with motor neurone disease wait more

than a year to see a brain specialist for help with diagnosis -

An MND Association report points to delays which prevent

people getting early care for the condition,

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

Here's the sports headlines now with Hugh Woozencroft.

Very interesting story this morning as boxing's world governing body

decides to allow professional boxers into this summer's

That means World Heavyweight Champion Antony Joshua

could defend the gold medal he won at London 2012.

We'll hear from Roy Hodgson later today after he included the

18-year-old Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford in his

It could be a risk as could Chris Coleman's selection

He's in the Wales squad less than a month after suffering

After winning the Champions League with Real Madrid last weekend

Gareth Bale will join up with the squad today.

Play has resumed at Roland Garros - meaning there's a better chance

Andy Murray will play Richard Gasquet today for a place

That's all the fort for now, Victoria, but I will be back with

more on BBC News throughout the day. Calling all university students,

or would be students, not to mention the thousands

of staff at universities. How are you going to vote

in the EU referendum? Do you want to remain

in the EU or leave? In the latest in our series looking

at the various issues which might affect your vote,

we're going to talk about universities,

and whether students and staff would be better or worse off

if Britain were to leave the EU? A group of vice-chancellors

from some of the country's top universities has already warned that

exiting the EU could be disastrous for research funding and would leave

British institutions And what about students

wanting to travel elsewhere When we held the BBC One TV debate

on the EU for under-30s last week, this is what Stephanie

from Glasgow asked. I am a student and I intend to study

abroad at some point, so what will we lose and what will we gain in

terms of international relations in terms of the EU Liam Fox? I don't

think you need to lose anything at all. There is a world outside the

European Union. People do go and study and travel and have holidays

elsewhere. APPLAUSE

My dad was a taught French and Spanish and long before we were in

the European Union we used to have holidays in France and Spain and

people did continue to go and study in other countries. That will

continue. Why do we have the arrangements? Because it is

genuinely in the interests of both parties to do so. People want to

come and study in our country. It is good for us to go and study

elsewhere. The idea that because we're not in the European Union,

you're not going to be able to have a holiday in Majorca. To be fair, no

one is suggesting we won't be able to have a holiday in Majorca. As

members of the EU, anyone here would be able to study in other EU nations

as home students. That's right. Compared to the fees charged to

international students, home fees are generally lower or nonexistent?

The point about the difference between Europe and the European

Union because programmes which have got bigger student programmes are

not just... That's an exchange programme? Yes, an exchange

programme is not just the European Union. It is the European Continent.

So it is countries like Turkey as well, Norway, Iceland, Europe is a

great Continent of individual nations with their own history. The

European Union is a political construct. Europe...

APPLAUSE Europe and exchange and trade and

travel existed before there was a European Union... But Stephanie's

fees might be higher if Britain is outside the European Union if she

wants to go and study at a university abroad. But why would

that be because the programmes are decided because they are in the

mutual interests. It is the same as trade. It is in our both our

interests to - that's why we do it. We have had all these programmes

before we were in the European Union and we'll have them when we're not

in the European Union just as we have programmes and people study in

the United States or Canada... I don't have a lot of money. I'm

working class. I have like a ten hour wage. I'm a ten hour contract.

Where am I supposed to get the money from? How am I supposed to support

myself in other country if it is not going to be treated like home?

APPLAUSE But you're making an assumption here that because we're

not in the European Union Germany is not going to want German students to

come to the UK and we're not going to want to go to study in Germany. I

don't think that makes any sense. I think we will have agreement because

it is in both our interests to do so I want to make a point because it

comes back to what Diane was saying. This is a crucial issue of whether

if we're outside the European Union we would need visas to travel. At

the moment we have a beneficial system we can go anywhere within the

European Union, it is a two-way process. No other country has more

of its citizens living and working in other developed countries than

Great Britain. Now, if we're not to have visas and Diane you said we

wouldn't, to go on holiday or for people to come here, there are 2.5

million tourists who come to Scotland every year. How are you

going to different ate between the Polish plumber and the Polish

tourist? It means surely a system of visas. If you haven't got a system

of visas, how are you going to deal with, you're going to be telling

people we're going to stop free movement, but not introduce visas,

so free movement will be there and unless you put a border and watch

towers across the borders between the Republic of Ireland and Northern

Ireland, you're going to have people coming across there because it would

be an EU country and a non-EU country.

That was last Thursday might. Norman Smith has got

the facts and figures. We have been in the academia

business than any other country. Oxford has been around since 1096.

Our universities have been here since medieval times. The argument

is do we really need to be part of the European Union for them to

prosper? Well, Mr Cameron thinks so. So here is Professor Cameron and his

fear is, there will be less funding for our universities if we leave. We

get more cash from the EU than any other European country. We get

around ?1 billion a year which goes not just to research, but building

new campuses. Secondly, Mr Cameron fears there will be less

co-operation because if we start putting up barriers maybe academics

elsewhere the EU won't be able or won't want to come to British

universities and that will have an impact on the research they do and

maybe an impact on the calibre and quality of education at British

universities. Lastly, studying abroad, maybe that will become

harder for British students. Around what, 13,000, every year, at the

moment, go and study in other EU universities. If we start imposing

tiger controls, maybe they'll retaliate and it will be harder for

our students to go and study elsewhere in Europe. As for the

universities, what do they think? Well, it is interesting. There seems

to be a pretty large consensus amongst many academics that we are

off in the EU. 100 vice chancellors said we should stay in. Among them

was the vice Chancellor of Cambridge? It is China. It is the

growing power of India and it is North America and the United States

in particular. That's where our graduates have to compete in the

future and that's why I believe being in a wider grouping gives us

the best opportunity to remain globally competitive. Now, the

Brexit side say hang on a sec, what matters is our universities are

global institutions. They're not just competing or dealing with other

countries in the EU. They're competing against universities in

America, China, and India. They don't have to be confined by the

European Union. And so let's just see what their arguments are. Here

is Boris Johnson, Professor Johnson, of Eton Towers, what's his argument?

Well, his argument is more places for British students. If we're out

then we don't have to give so many places to other EU students. Around

120,000 come here every year. Those places could actually go to British

students. Also clinical trials. We would have more scope in British

universities to do the sort of research, the sort of clinical

trials we want which are restricted by some of the red tape and

regulations imposed by the European Union. Lastly, there would be more

cash for funding. The Brexit eers say the EU gives us money, but this

is cash we've already given to them and by the way, they say, some of

the university budget in the EU gets sievoned off into other areas. Some

of it went to help bail out Greece. Their argument is there is nothing

to fear about leaving the European Union and when you listen to some

academics they say there is no reason we couldn't continue to apply

for research funds from the European Union. Have a listen to this

academic from the Cardiff Business School. Tunisia is in it, Norway is

it in, these are not EU members. Now, why should you think that the

EU has a monopoly on academic excellence? The best academics are

in the States. They come from all over the world. We have to be open

to the rest of the world and not just the European Union. Vic, the

argument about universities and the EU is a massive argument because it

is not just about students, it is not just about academics. The

universities are a massive revenue generator for UK Plc, more than

that, you know, we've got ten universities in the top 100 and the

rest of the world. British universities are part of the UK

brand. So what happens to them is massively important.

Thank you very much, Norman. Tom Harwood is a 19-year-old student

at Durham University and from Students for Britain,

which his campaigning Amy Longland is 21 and studying

at Nottingham University and from Students for Europe,

which is campaigning for Britain Hello Amy. 17% of students

questioned by an international student recruiters said leaving

would make British universities more attractive to students. What do you

think of that? Well, you know, that's not simply not true. The fact

of the matter is, being in Europe is beneficial for British universities.

We get funding from the EU and it is not just that, it is the vital

framework, the financial framework and the collaboration between

researchers and scientists which is why there has been that grass-roots

campaign scientists for EU has come out. It has got 100,000 members, it

is in favour of staying in the EU. It said look, it is vital for UK

research and UK universities that we stay in the EU and for the

opportunities for EU students to come here and enrich our, you know,

knowledge economy that we have here. That we're lucky to have. Tom, it

could, if there is a vote to leave the EU, it could end up being more

expensive for British students to study elsewhere in Europe and you

put the research funding at risk say the other side? So this is the point

we often hear about funding as if we're imaginically getting some EU

funding when actually we know we are a net contributor. We put in ?20

billion a year to the EU and only get ?10 billion back. So when we

look at collaborative funding for example the Horizon 2020 scientific

research funding scheme, the EU raided 2 billion euros from that

scheme to bail out the euro. The EU is not interested in scientific

research. It is not good for our universities because it is hell bent

on propping up its own political ambition. What about the point it

could end up being more expensive for British students to study in

Europe if we are not a member of the EU, because they are treated,

wherever you want to study, you're treated as a home student so your

fees are cheaper? So the UK has four of the world's top 20 universities,

the eurozone has none. Of the 25 top universities in the world, we have

six and thures has none. Switzerland which is isn't in the EU has one of

them. So really when it comes to academic excellence we are at the

top of the table. I'm not knocking that? The EU would be really keen to

engage with us and have co-operative schemes. A programme, Turkey... I'm

talking about British students wanting to go and study in Germany

say, they might charge us the fees that international students are

charged iee non-EU students. We have a discriminatory migration policy...

Yeah, you're not answering the question. You're not answering the

question. This points This comes to the point of it. Where everyone can

have a more equal chance to study at not only EU universities, but

universities across the world. We need a system that's fair for

everyone and has the best and brightest students coming to the UK.

Amy that point if Britain votes to leave, actually, you know, countries

elsewhere in Europe are going to want to have these arrangements.

They are not going to suddenly punish Britain students, are they? I

want to pick up what Tom is saying about other countries. It is not

either or. It doesn't mean because they are part of Europe we can't

have these arrangements, but being in Europe, being part of this

scheme, it facilitates students that otherwise couldn't afford to go and

study in other EU countries. It facilitates and it provides the

funding available for the students which wouldn't necessarily be there.

Another thing that's really interesting as well, this is really

important, is that the Leave Campaign are advocating for measures

on immigration and trying to restrict it. Switzerland is not part

of this scheme. And Switzerland, Switzerland was part of it, but it

is not part of the EU sorry, but since Switzerland restricted free

movement of people, it has been cut from the programme and it has been

cut from the EU science programme. So if we were to leave and you're

saying yes, they will want to of exchange programmes, but if we try

and restrict immigration, we will be cut from the programme. We will be

cut... Turkey, Israel, they are not in free

movement. They have these programmes. Are opportunities as

young people are protected by being in Europe and we need to stay. Thank

you. Next Monday, 6th June,

we're in Manchester just over It's open to everyone and will take

place in our normal airtime If you want to take part and can get

to Manchester from wherever you are in the UK, do

email [email protected] to have your chance to quiz senior

politicians from the Leave We are expecting a decision any time

now on whether the inquest into the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings will

reopen. In the last few minutes we can tell you the coroner has said

she has received information about the possibility that the authorities