31/05/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Our top story today: Iraqi special forces try to retake the city

of Falluja from Islamic State fighters - as fears grow

Also on the programme: Were zookeepers right to shoot dead

an endangered gorilla when a four year old boy fell into an enclosure?

We're talking about an animal that I've seen, with one hand,

The boy survived - but would he still be alive

if zookeepers hadn't shot the gorilla?

Do get in touch and tell us your thoughts this morning.

The two fleets met in the historic battle of Jutland.

The battle of Jutland 100 years ago today cost the lives of 8500

men in just 36 hours - during the first world war.

We'll hear from relatives of some of those involved in the naval

Welcome to the programme, we're on air till 11 this morning

on the BBC News channel - and on BBC 2 we're off air

at the slightly earlier time of 10.43.

After 10 this morning we'll talk to the Labour MP Jess Phillips

who says in the last 36 hours she's received thousands of messages

Is enough being done to tackle online abuse?

And of course we'll keep you up to date on the latest breaking news

and developing stories throughout the programme.

Plus if you have a story to tell or an experience

to share, do get in touch - use the hashtag Victoria Live

and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

The Iraqi military say special forces

are leading a battle to recapture the city of Falluja

It was seized by IS more than two years ago.

Commanders say they've met fierce opposition, including snipers

It's believed there are 50,000 people still

Fighters are being widely accused of using them as human shields.

This is footage released by the Iraqi Ministry of Defence,

which it says shows air strikes targeting so-called Islamic State

With help from US-led coalition air strikes as well,

the Iraqi military is creeping closer to the centre

of the city, and closer to a possible all-out offensive.

Over the last few days, the Iraqi army, with the help

of Shi'ite militia, have been fighting to retake

It is believed the military wants to create a ring of steel around

the city, sealing in the IS fighters and then defeating them.

In the north-west, it is said the advance is slower as forces

fight to secure villages on the outskirts of Falluja.

Perhaps in retaliation, IS carried out suicide bombings

in the capital, Baghdad, the worst was here in Shaab

As the battle for Falluja continues, the few to make it out of the city,

besieged for some nine months now, tell their harrowing tales.

TRANSLATION: We were surrounded by Daesh for more than two years.

We survived on barley bread because there is no food.

Once the army has surrounded the city, militia commanders say

there may well be a pause to allow thousands of the trapped civilians

Maxine is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Good morning. There was a warning that three quarters of older

children with type two diabetes are not receiving key checks to keep the

conditions under control. The figures come from an audit

of their care in England and Wales. Health officials recommend

all children with diabetes have their blood sugar levels

checked, and those aged 12 and over should have six other

check-ups every year. Here's our health

correspondent Jane Dreaper. But this can make managing her blood

sugar levels tricky as she has type 1 diabetes, meaning her body

cannot produce insulin. At the moment, we look for better

ways of managing it for her. We look at ways to make her more

independent in managing it, Being on an insulin pump

and the CGMS system means she can go about her daily life

without constantly Doctors have taken a close look

at the care provided to all diabetic They examined data for almost 28,000

youngsters, the vast majority A growing proportion have excellent

control of their blood sugar levels, but only a quarter appear to have

seven vital healthcare tests. All of these healthcare checks

are checking for the possibility If you find changes you can work

with the family and the child Put your six grams in, and it

will give you a correction as well. Amber is lucky, she has excellent

care from a specialist team. She and her family work hard to make

sure her condition is well managed. The charity Diabetes UK hope

all children will have this level An inquiry into historical child sex

abuse in Northern Ireland is due to begin examining allegations

relating to the Kincora Three senior care staff

there were jailed in 1981 for abuse. The inquiry, led by a retired senior

High court judge, is expected to look at claims of links

to the intelligence services. It's already examined

allegations relating Both MI5 and MI6 have

agreed to take part. Families of patients who were abused

by staff at Winterbourne View private hospital say not enough

is being done to improve services for adults

with learning disabilities. They've written an open letter

to David Cameron saying they're angry that changes in the system

are too slow. The abuse was exposed by BBC

Panorama five years ago. You may find some of the images

in Sangita Myska's It was the BBC's secret filming

here at the private specialist hospital Winterbourne View that

deeply shocked patients' families and the authorities involved

in providing care for people The Panorama investigation showed

staff abusing patients at the private unit and repeated

incidents of severe neglect. It revealed that some patients

who should have had their needs assessed and then moved on had been

stuck there for years. All the patients involved had

had their care paid for by the NHS Today, families of Winterbourne

View's former residents have openly expressed their anger at the lack

of change five years on, despite clear commitments and plans

from the Government and NHS. The open letter claims that 3,500

people, including over 160 children, are stuck in places

like Winterbourne View In response to the families,

NHS England tell us that they recognise the pace

of reform has not been fast enough. They add that far-reaching plans

designed to provide what they call high-quality alternative care

to hospitals are now under way. Winterbourne View in Bristol

was closed down following the BBC's investigation, but according

to campaigners, the risk to residents in similar assessment

and treatment units still exist. to residents in similar assessment

and treatment units still exists. An Australian family at risk

of being deported from the UK have been told they can stay

until August, but will not be Kathryn Brain, her husband

Gregg and son Lachlan moved to Dingwall in the Highlands

in 2011 on a student visa, The family had thought

they were at risk of being They'll be speaking

to Victoria after 10. A French gardener who murdered

a British woman at her home in Southern France has been jailed

for 30 years. Jean-Louis Cayrou was found

guilty by a French court of killing Patricia Wilson,

who was 58, after their The director of a zoo

in the United States has defended the shooting dead of a silverback

gorilla, after a four year old boy There have been protests

at Cincinatti Zoo, but staff there insist that critics are not

in a position to make a judgement It was the moment

every parent dreads. A little boy dragged around

by the ankle like a rag doll. Ten minutes that ends

with the animal being The footage of the four-year-old's

terrifying ordeal at the hands of a silverback clearly shocking

to those outside the gorilla pen, and to anyone else who saw it

beamed across the world. After animal rights protests

that the gorilla could have been tranquillised rather than killed,

the director of Cincinnati Zoo stood Looking back, we would make

the same decision. I know that after it is over

and the child is safe, it is easy like a Monday morning

quarterback to say wow, don't The people who say that, A,

don't understand primate biology and silverback gorillas

and the danger the child was in, and, B, were not there

at an important time We stand by our decision,

wewould make the same call today. We stand by our decision,

we would make the same call today. Outside the zoo, the death

of Harambe, a 17-year-old western lowland gorilla whose species

is listed as endangered, A fellow Cincinnatian

who lived his life in captivity, and through no fault

of his own was thrust into a horrible, terrible situation,

and he lost his life. Cincinnati Zoo maintains

the exhibit was safe The boy apparently climbed over

a three foot barrier. He has received hospital treatment

that his injuries are not said The zoo says Harambe's DNA

was saved, and it will be used as part of an ongoing

breeding programme. And Victoria will be talking

to three wildlife experts about whether the zoo was right

to shoot the gorilla - that's just that's just after the sport

at 9.15. Ceremonies will be held

in Orkney and at sea today, to mark 100 years since Britain

and Germany fought the naval Battle of Jutland in which more than 8,000

sailors lost their lives. British and German warships

will scatter symbols of remembrance on the waters of the Jutland Bank,

above the wrecks of ships The Duke of Edinburgh was due

to attend but withdrew, Our correspondent Robert Hall

is at St Magnus Cathedral Give us a sense of what we can

expect. Good morning. From Britain's most northerly cathedral, the

Princess Royal leading commemorations both here and at the

old cemetery overlooking what was the bleat Anchorage. -- the fleet.

The result of the Battle of Jutland clash was horrendous, losses and a

rather indecisive finish because the German fleet did manage to get back

to port. The action prevented them from coming out in any way in the

rest of the war. What one is most struck by the small number of

headstones for those people. Thousands of men, British and

Germans still lie on the sea bed on the Battle of Jutland bank. There

will be a programme later at 1045 and also this afternoon.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Later in the programme we'll talk to relatives of those who fought

So many of you getting in touch already about the gorilla.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text, you will be charged

One woman said that the time-lapse could have been fatal for the boy.

Do not knock the guys who made the decision, they feel bad enough that

they were put in that decision in the first place. Julie says I am

disgusted by the death of the gorilla, people need to be extra

careful, this mother was not. This particular enclosure will be

reopened without any modifications to the surrounding fencing. I don't

know if that is true, I am sure they will close the gap. Do get in touch

with us throughout the morning. We have a special guest this

morning. Here are our headlines. Not just England beating Sri Lanka by

nine wickets to win the Test series, but Alastair Cook finally brought up

his 10,000 test runs. He is the youngest player at 31 to reach that

milestone. The Indian great stashing temple garden is 6000 runs ahead.

Roy Hodgson will name his final squad for the European Championship

later today. He needs to trim his squad by two England players, that

will be down to 23. Daniel Sturridge may be one of those to miss out. The

big question over the Wales squad announcement is whether Joe Ledley

will be included, he fractured his leg earlier this month, but he could

be fit for the final group match. Pele is selling all his football

medals and memorabilia, the reason is that the auction are on clear,

but it is expected to raise more than ?3 million. The 75-year-old is

even selling the boots that he wore in the film escape to victory. The

trivia question is what of Pele and the new champion Tony Bellew got in

common? You have both starred alongside Sylvester Stallone. In

Creed, you fought at Goodison Park, on Sunday night you fought at

Goodison Park to become the new WBC cruiserweight champion.

The dream became a reality is the best way of seeing it. It was a life

long dream and it was fulfilled on Sunday. You had a few bumps and

bruises going into the fight. You broke your nose and you thought this

isn't going very well, and you knocked him out in the third? I

first his also in the first and we got down to business and I settled

it all in the third. An amazing fight to be part of. I'm happy and

blessed and feel so lucky to have won this amazing, fantastic belt.

The most prenlg staopeblegous belt in boxing. British fight scene is

buzzing. You are the 13th world champion. 13 world champions and the

only WBC one. It is a proud, proud moment. Something like I say, I have

chased my whole life and career. 20 years of work has gone into this and

I have achieved the dream of winning it. An amazing achievement and goal.

Listen, it is down to me kids. I fight for them, me boys and me

family and stuff and I achieve this great goal through them. Boxers

always have options. There are other cruiser weights out there with world

titles. There are other great British fighters, but you probably

is a to step, have a pop at David Haye? Look, I don't want any

cherry-picking. I'm happy to fight David Haye. He put out an Instagram

video of me saying, "Come and get it." Anyone can get it in any weight

division. I'm the best cruiserweight in the world and I will beat every

small heavyweight and David Haye is a small heavyweight. He called you

out. You called him out. There you go, Victoria, a world champion and a

movie star. Thank you. Thank you very much, Tony as well.

Were zookeepers right to shoot a gorilla when a four-year-old boy

Really keen to hear your views on this throughout the programme.

Overnight, one of the bosses of Cincinnati Zoo in America says

he stands by the decision to shoot the gorilla called Harambe.

Thayne Maynard says the gorilla had been agitated and disorientated

Looking back we would make the same decision. I know that after it is

over and the child is safe, it is easy like a Monday morning

quarterback to look back and say, "Wow, wow, don't we need to do that

differently?" The people that say that don't understand primates and

the danger that the child was in and B, we're not there at an important

time to make important decisions. We stand by our decision. We would make

the same call today. That said, we were very glad that the little boy

is OK. That's one happy thing in a dangerous and bad story. Naturally,

we did not take the shooting of Harambe lightly. But that child's

life was in danger. And people who question that or are Monday morning

quarterbacks or second-guessers don't understand that you can't take

a risk with a silver back gorilla because they are three times bigger

than a man and six times stronger than that this. Is a dangerous

animal. I know photos and videos, gosh it doesn't seem dangerous. We

are talking about an animal with one hand that I have seen take a coconut

and crunch it. He was disorientated. He never had anything like that

going on and that also led to the decision, of course, not to dart the

animal. In the real world you make difficult calls, but you have to

make them and the safety of that child was paramount.

Could the gorilla which weighs about 400lbs and was the dominant male

in the pack - have put the boy's life in danger?

The zoo argue that a tranquiliser wasn't appropriate as it would take

ten minutes to take effect by which time it could be too late.

But the boy - who hasn't been named - had already spent ten minutes

with in the enclosure and wasn't hurt.

Some witnesses say they're convinced Harambe was trying to protect him.

The footage which at one point shows the gorilla holding the boy's

hands before dragging him away from the noisy crowd really

is amazing, but clearly only tells a small part of the story.

Our understanding of gorillas has been helped by a famous episode

of Life on Earth in 1979 which featured Sir David Attenborough

with a group of young male mountain gorillas.

There is more meaning and mutual understand in exchanging of grunts

with a gorilla than any other animal I know.

Nearly 200,000 people have now signed an online petition in protest

at the killing of Harambe with calls for the boy's parents

Questions are also being asked about the safety levels at the zoo

which allowed the four-year-old to crawl through a fence

In a statement on Facebook his family say the boy,

who hasn't been identified, is "doing just fine" and thanked zoo

They go on to say that they realise it was a difficult decision

for the zoo staff to shoot Harambe and that staff are grieving

With me to talk about this is Jillian Miller, Director

Ian Redmond is founder and chairman of the Ape Alliance.

And Gisela Kaplan, Professor in Animal Behaviour

at the University of New England in Australia.

Gillian, did the zoo staff dot right thing? Who knows? It is a tragic,

tragic incident. We weren't there. I looked at that footage, I err on the

side of the people who said the gorilla could have been protecting

the child, but how could the zoo take the risk. They must be heart

broken. Thank goodness the boy is all right and he is recovering, but

the keeper was so close to that gorilla. All those people would have

loved that gorilla. They must be heart broken today. It is an awful

thing. Ian, I think, I think I'm right in saying you're holding the

microphone for David Attenborough in the clip that we just showed when he

was with the young mountain gorillas, you clearly know a lot

about the species. As much as you can, what is your reading from what

you saw on the mobile phone footage? Well, I agree with Gillian, we

weren't there, we cannot judge the decision because in the moments

before the man pulled the trigger and I am assuming it was a man, they

had to take that decision. I do wonder, this would be my question if

I could talk to them, whilst sharing their grief for the loss of the

gorilla, what nonlethal measures were in place in their protocols

that they tried. Had they tried diverting the gorilla's attention

with favourite foods? Had they tried just trying to calm the situation

down? Gorillas have a mind. They think. Clearly, he was stressed. A

lot of people shouting and scream, but the longest bit of video footage

is online is over two minutes and we are told that the incident lasted

ten minutes before they took the final shot. Do I should they should

have tried other methods? Yes, I do. By all means have a man with a gun

ready to shoot if the other methods aren't working, but I don't know

what other methods were tried. We are told there was a command to the

group of gorillas, a command to move towards the door which two of the

gorillas did do, but not Harambe. Yes. He was clearly stressed and

something really different was happening and the video footage we

have seen show him both asserting his dominance in dragging the boy

through the moat, but interacting gently with the boy, but then we

don't know what happened in the next few minutes. People were apparently

herded away from the enclosure, but they were close enough to hear the

shot. Yeah. Those are the crucial minutes. I do wonder, you look at

what police or prison officers have to do when they have to quell a

disturbance and have various nonlethal methods from stun grenades

to Tasers to, there are guns that fire sticky fluid and form a net,

all sorts of things are available for humans that you want to restrain

without killing and I don't know if the zoo had or if in future they

will plan to have such methods because every year we hear several

instances around the world where zoo animals are killed to protect people

and you think well, why are they not using nonlethal methods which can

restrain the animal? I agree the zoo director saying a tranquilizer dart

is a painful and alarming procedure that would have perhaps exacerbated

the gorilla's stress, but that was the right call, but were other

methods tried? I don't know. Let me bring in a professor of animal

behaviour in Australia. Tell us broadly about the silver back

gorilla and their temperament? Well, agree very much with the last

speaker. The animal, there were no alternative methods attempted and

one wonders and one hopes that an outcome of this tragic event now

will be that strategies have to be in place. Now personally, I don't

think gorillas or orang-utans or large animals should be in zoos,

they should be in sanctuaries particularly if they are endangered

species and they maybe shown on occasion so people have a way of

interacting with them. That's a big debate and I think it is time we had

such a debate again. The other question is what the strategies are?

I understood that the staff were instructed if there are problems

they have to shoot there and then. One has to remember that a gorilla

is simply not a tiger or a lion where such immediate shooting

response maybe necessary in many occasions because they are

carnivores, but gorillas, are not carnivores, they are benign,

thinking, feeling, judging species. They are capable of making

assessment of risk and capable of making an assessment whether this

boy was a risk to the group or to the silverback and it clearly wasn't

and we have some evidence of that a situation like this can end very, in

a very benign way as was the case in England and that changed our views

and broke the imagery of the gorilla as a King Kong, as a fearful nasty,

large, destructive beast. A gorilla is certainly not a beast. It is not

necessarily aggressive. It may have been confused and certainly the

screaming of the people would have not been very helpful, but in this

case of the boy who fell into an enclosure in I think it was

Jersey... It was Jersey, yes, in England in 1986, it was a crucial

event for the world and for the perception of primates, because it

was clear there was a gorilla that had stepped in and had saved that

boy from drowning. The whole thing ran its course, but there is a very

important difference. Apparently this boy has gone on to the internet

debate to say he remembers it was all rather calm. Now if the

situation is calm also the gorilla, the silverback, the silverback can

think, but that wasn't the case in Cincinnati Zoo. People were

screaming and certainly not helping the situation. So 30 years on, we

have a very different context. Sorry, Ian, you're trying to come

back in there, go ahead. Oh, there is a third instance of a child

falling into a gorilla enclosure 20 years ago in Chicago. There famously

a female gorilla picked up the injured child and carried the child

to the hatch where the keepers were able to retrieve it. So out of three

ins stances were children have fallen into gor ril will enclosures,

in two of them nobody died and in this one, someone did. I think the

child was unconscious. That may have been the difference. As far as I

could see from the video, there was no aggression from the child and

most of the time I don't think it even cried. Even your reports

suggested you know this dangerous large beast, frankly, a silverback

is much too thoughtful to be dangerous, it can be dangerous, but

that serves a purpose to defend the group. There was no need to defend

the group. Do you accept, had the boy been injured, had the boy been

killed, then everybody would have been saying, "Why didn't you shoot

the gorilla dead?" Absolutely. What the two guests said is spot on. We

all care about gorillas. We care about gorillas and we know they have

this wonderful nature and this ability to care and feel and love

and cry. They are family animalsment we are not prey for them. They are

herbivorous and we know that, thinking about it from the zoo's

point of view, this is a $1 million facility putting animals in the

public arena for entertainment. First of all, how could a child fall

into that enclosure? There are clearly questions to answer there.

There was a gap for a child to crawl through? A wriggly four-year-old, we

know they will go anywhere. How can that happen? There are questions

whether gorillas should be used for entertainment. In a $1 million

situation could the zoo afford to risk that child's life? It is just

tragic. Thank you very much. Ian, thank you for your time. And

professor, thank you for your time as well. There is only one story

that you want to talk about today and it is from Debbie on Facebook

says, "A combination of unfortunate events. The zoo had no choice." Ken

on Facebook, "100%, they should have kill the ape." Clare on Facebook

says, "I wonder what the reaction would have been if the gorilla

killed the little boy." David e-mails: the zoo should have

moved him away from the child, they should have had a system to stop

them from falling into the pit. Sue said I am really angry because the

parents were negligent. Still to come: 2.5 million people

are living with cancer in the UK. We'll be previewing a new BBC

documentary series called The Big C Me which follows the lives of nine

people with cancer over a year. And we'll get the latest

on the Brain family we spoke to last week -

Australians who were encouraged to come to the Highlands

to work and are now They have been told that they can

stay here, but only until August and they will not be allowed to work.

Here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

Here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Iraqi military special forces are leading a battle

to recapture the city of Falluja from the so-called

It was seized by IS more than two years ago.

Commanders say they've met fierce opposition, including snipers

It's believed there are 50,000 people still trapped

in the city and IS is widely accused of using them as human shields.

There's a warning that three-quarters of older children

with Type 1 diabetes are not receiving key checks to keep

The figures come from an audit of their care

Health officials recommend all children with diabetes

have their blood sugar levels checked, and those aged 12 and over

should have six other check-ups every year.

An inquiry into historical child sex abuse in Northern Ireland is due

to begin examining allegations relating to the Kincora

Three senior care staff there were jailed in 1981 for abuse.

The inquiry, led by a retired senior High court judge, is expected

to look at claims of links to the intelligence services.

It's already examined allegations relating

Both MI5 and MI6 have agreed to take part.

The director of a zoo in the United States has defended

the shooting dead of a silverback gorilla, after a four year old boy

There have been protests at Cincinatti Zoo,

but staff there insist that critics are not in a position to make

Jillian Miller told us that zoo keepers would not have shot the

gorilla unless they felt it was absolutely necessary. We were not

there, we have looked at the footage. I out on the side that the

gorilla may have been protecting the child, but they must be heartbroken.

Thank goodness the boy is all right, but the keeper was so close to the

gorilla, all those people would have loved the gorilla. They must be

heartbroken today. An Australian family at risk

of being deported from the UK have been told they can stay

until August, but will not be Kathryn Brain, her husband

Gregg and son Lachlan moved to Dingwall in the Highlands

in 2011 on a student visa, The family had thought

they were at risk of being They'll be speaking

to Victoria after 10. Ceremonies will be held

in Orkney and at sea today, to mark 100 years since Britain

and Germany fought the naval Battle of Jutland in which more than 8,000

sailors lost their lives. British and German warships

will scatter symbols of remembrance on the waters of the Jutland Bank,

above the wrecks of ships The Duke of Edinburgh was due

to attend but withdrew, That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.00. A historic day at the cricket. Not

so much for England's nine wicket win in the second test against Sri

Lanka, but Alastair Cook brought up his 10,000 test runs. At 31 he is

the youngest England player to reach that milestone and only 11 other

players have achieved it will stop Roy Hodgson will name his England

squad later today, he needs to trim two players from his current squad

of 25. Daniel Sturridge may be one of those to miss out. The big

question over the Wales squad announcement is whether Crystal

Palace's Joe Ledley will be included. He fractured his leg

earlier this month, but he could still be fit for the final group

match and Andy Murray is juju phase Richard Gasquet for a place in the

semifinals. That is if the rain stops. -- is due to face Richard

Gasquet. Next - the Battle of Jutland -

the biggest naval engagement of the first world war -

which saw more than 8,500 killed off will be marked by a

commemorative service today. Princess Anne will be there -

but Prince Phillip won't be - We'll talk to relatives of those

who took part in the battle shortly - but first -

let's go through the events Germany could have won the war

through this. As well as being the only major naval battle of the First

World War which took place between 1914 and 1918, it became the largest

battle in naval warfare history with 250 ships involved, 151 from Britain

and 99 from Germany. It may have only lasted 36 hours, but there was

a high level of casualties, more than one in ten wounded. Elizabeth

Dixon's father survived the battle, but her uncle Archie just 16 at the

time was killed. I think it is very important to commemorate because

always the tradition of commemoration and the rituals of

commemoration are important, because they are healing. Despite the cost

in human terms, both sides claimed victory as the Germans lost 11 ships

and the enemy 14. But naval fleet was seriously weekend and was not

able to challenge the British seriously during the conflict.

Britain retained the larger navy of the two sides and insured it could

send troops and supplies to Europe until the end of the war. Let's

speak now to Pat Avery whose grandfather Basil Phillips survived

the battle of Jutland and to James Loudon whose grandfather commanded

the grand Fleet at the battle. Both join us from the Isle of Orkney

where a special service is being held to remember all those who lost

their lives. It is where the British fleet set off from. Thank you for

talking to us. Pat Avery, tell us why it was so important you to be at

the service today? For me and for my family it was a tremendous honour

and privilege to be invited here by the government and the people of

Orkney to pay tribute to these officers and men of the Royal Navy.

On a personal level, my grandfather Basil Phillips worked on one of the

destroyers of the small ship navy, but also his colleagues, the

officers, the captain, and the rest of the men on the ship, all of the

offices of the Royal Navy who made huge contributions to this

extraordinary battle. Your grandfather was the best-known naval

commander of World War I, tell us what you are thinking as you mark

this occasion to remember what he did. I am very pleased to be here

and I very much echoed Pat's thoughts and I would like to feel

that today will commemorate sailors of all ranks who fought not just in

Jutland, but there were some other engagements, I don't think we should

forget the Germans who lost their lives and this service is very much

a mutual commemoration for both British and German sailors. I am

certainly very proud to be here, I know a certain amount about the role

my grandfather played in the battle. He was appointed the commander of

the fleet the day war broke out in 1914 and it was a position that

Winston Churchill said he was the man on either side who could lose

the war in an afternoon. Tell us about the significance of the roll

your grandfather played. I think that is right and Winston

Churchill's remark has been repeated very many times, we did have control

of the high seas, the Royal Navy had control of the high seas and its

main objective of course was to keep control of the high seas. If we had

lost it, the war would have taken a very different course. Although one

can argue that the battle itself was somewhat indecisive, what was quite

decisive was we could retain control of the high seas and the German high

Seas Fleet never really came out properly enforce out port again. We

were able to maintain the blockade of Germany which eventually did lead

to our winning the war. Pat, your grandfather Basil survived the

battle of Jutland. When he was on board that ship, he was writing

diaries which I think he was not supposed to do. How did he do it and

what were some of the things he wrote about? He had been trained in

Morse code. He basically was receiving and sending the messages

from ship to ship, there was a requirement that he had a full

understanding of this method of communication. He used to keep the

pieces of paper that he had scribbled, the messages down on, and

he kept this remarkable diary of not only of the battle of Jutland, but

the entire period of the First World War. Fact is that his commanding

officer had little understanding of Morse code, actually worked in his

favour. -- the fact that his commanding officer had little

understanding of Morse code, that actually worked in his favour. He

sent a coded message to your grandmother to let her know that he

was all right. He did. When there was a fierce night action with a

re-treating German high Seas Fleet, they managed to get back to hear and

in order to let my grandmother no that he was OK and survived, he had

his photograph taken and to get around the quite strict censorship

he signed it affectionately yours, Basil. That was his way of letting

her know that he was OK. Why is it important that the experiences of

both your grandfather 's are remembered and Marks and talked

about? -- marked. I think the sometime the battle of Jutland was

forgotten about mainly because it was indecisive as a battle in

itself. But this commemoration today and other events that have been held

about Jutland have brought it very much to the forefront of the public

again. I would hope to think that that will remain the case. I would

repeat that I would hate today to be regarded just as a commemoration of

the British. I know at the same time as this ceremony, the ships of both

navies are meeting on the Jutland bank together. It is a mutual

commemoration for both fleets and both sets of savers. -- sailors.

Thank you very much, gentlemen, thank you.

You can watch full coverage on BBC One from 10.45am and throughout the

day on the BBC News Channel. Have you decided how

you're going to vote Well, you are very welcome to take

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and can get to Manchester from wherever you are in the UK,

do e-mail: [email protected] to have your chance to quiz senior

politicians from the leave That's next Monday.

A Labour MP says she received thousands of vile messages talking

about raping her. What more needs to be done to tackle online abuse?

There are 2.5 million of us and the number is growing

That's how many people in Britain are living with cancer.

A new BBC documentary series which begins tomorrow night called

The Big C Me follows the lives of nine people across

Filmed over a year, the programme films them from the moment

of diagnosis, through treatment and life at home.

It's really moving and also uplifting.

There's Dominic from Leeds who has breast cancer.

Steve, the painter and decorator, who has prostate cancer.

Then there's Yvette whose belly dancing is integral

to her managing her cancer that she's had for 20 years.

And I think that's the thing that, actually, you can be living

with cancer and actually be fit and healthy and well

But living with her cancer has meant years of treatment, including

The treatment I've been through, the medical procedures,

has been a real assault on my self-confidence and self-esteem.

For me, my way of switching off and actually being able to just

It's been just, like, a life-saver, really.

Also featured in the programme is Katy, a year after being

the all-clear after having a malignant melanoma -

She decided to take part in a new clinical trial to try

and stop her cancer ever coming back, but there were risks involved,

and it wasn't an easy decision to make.

Two days after seeing her daughter marry, Katie is en route to London

to start the trial. I can feel myself not getting bigger. The

closer we get. It is just purely the fact you don't know how your body

will react to something that's That is a trial. Cancer drug research has

always moved forward on the back of human trials, but they are

unpredictable and there is always an element of risk. For Katie, it is a

leap in the dark. These drugs may save her, but they may prove

debilitating and toxic. It is a horrible choice to face. Hi Katie.

Hello, Emily. Nice to meet you both. How was the wedding? Oh, it was

wonderful. You got the weather for it. Amazing. We were very blessed.

I've got the consent form here. This is a trial. Yeah, quite. We are

always here to answer questions and if you want to stop the trial, you

can withdraw your consent at any point? The big stumbling blocks is

the worry of actually having it. Obviously if things get too bad and

the toxicity is too bad then I would, you would either say to me,

enough is a enough and we'll come off trial. OK. OK? Yes, no problem.

I think it is that fear of unknown, but once you start people tend to

feel a lot more reassured. I'm sorry... It is not you, don't worry.

It is the fear of the unknown. Yvette Cowles, 52 has had breast

cancer for 20 years. She has had both breasts removed

and Katy Garner was first diagnosed with melanoma six years ago,

was given the all clear, Yvette how do you manage cancer over

19, 20 years and it coming back three times? Well, I think I focus

on the present. I'm really grateful for every day I am alive really. I

do things that I enjoy and I do consider myself one of the lucky

ones because I've got so many friends and family members and

fellow dancers who haven't been so lucky who have lost their lives to

cancer. So I'm still here and I focus on that. Sometimes does the

uncertainty get to you? The fact thaw don't know what's going to

happen? Yes, I think that's one of the most difficult things because

you don't know what's around the corner, but then that's true of

everybody. I think cancer certainly focuses the mind. But it is true

that none of us knows what might happen tomorrow. Katie, how did you

react when you had gone five years, you were in the sixth year after a

malignant melanoma and you thought everything was fine and you found

another lump in your groin? Well, it was devastating to find it and the

first thought, no, it is not there. I can remember going to sleep that

night and thinking when I wake up, it won't be there. But, of course,

it was. I knew what it was because it just felt the same. So it's very

hard to re-enter into that same scenario that had you in 2009 and we

had, five years is the sort of, you know, you can have a big party at

five years is what I was told. It was our 25th wedding anniversary, we

decided to wait for the sixth year and have a celebration then and so

it was quite hard to know that I had to go back and restart, but the

difference was amazing because in 2009 Dr Larkin came to see me, he is

the oncologist and said basically, you know, if this comes back, it is

going to be life limiting. And this time, he came back and was talking

about 60% reduction rates with these new drugs and the whole thing seemed

very different. Which shows the rapid progress that is being made

constantly year after year after year. This clinical trial that you

have been involved in, you stopped after seven months, I think, what

were the side effects? It is like taking the brakes of your immune

system. The body starts to destroy your own healthy cells as well as

your own cancer cells if you've got them. So I've had, am I load to say

diarrhoea? Of course you are! I have had the effect of having what's

called cold lie tis. My body has attacked my gut and given me

diarrhoea. That's been the toxicity. I've lost my thyroid. That's

manageable. But I'm still strewing alg little bit with the colitis. The

documentary follows nine people you two included and various others and

it is in parts very upsetting and in parts incredibly uplifting, but it

feels to me that it is saying that, you know, no longer do we need to

speak in hushed tones about cancer. Clearly, people have different

diagnoses, clearly people deal with it in very different ways, but you

can speak out loud about this and people don't have to necessarily

speak to you in sombre tones as though you're about to die. No, I've

noticed a huge difference since I was first diagnosed 20 years ago and

even 25 years ago, my mother had breast cancer and her friends who

are lovely people would cross the street rather than talk to her...

Because they didn't know what to say? They were afraid of saying the

wrong thing. There is so much support for different groups of

cancer sufferers, you know, whether it is online forums, I belong to one

called Flat Friends for women who have had mastectomies and have

elected not to have reconstruction. Of the younger women because your

challenges when you are younger and your concerns are different to when

you are 30, or 40 or 50 or older and I think there is so much more

information available. What should people, who say to you when you have

cancer, what shouldn't people say to you... We were discussing this. One

of the things we were saying the terrible thing they say, "Poor you."

That's really helpful. I'm not poor. I'm not poor at all. I have

something that I'm just trying to get on with. There is only one thing

that's certain in our lives, that we will all die. Whether we die of

cancer or whether we die because a bus hits you, you know, you don't

know. Like Yvette was saying, the difference about having a cancer

diagnosis it puts that diagnosis in your face a bit. You don't know

whether the bus is going to hit you or when, but that's the difference,

but I think yes, so saying something like "Poor you" Not being prepared

to acknowledge that this is something that's going on in your

life. Yeah, I think if somebody says, "I'm sorry, I really don't

know what to say." That's fine. You're just acnobblinging that, but

you get people who sometimes start talking about their friends or, you

know, experiences and one woman said to me, "Well, this friend of mine, I

mean she is dead now." She launched into this whole story... That's not

going to help. Someone said to me last week, it was said in front of

everybody, "Well, I think it is nature's way of controlling the

population like AIDS and the black death." Wow. How is that helpful.

Even if that's what you think, I think keep quiet. Thank you very

much for coming on the programme. Very nice to meet you.

The Big C Me is a three-part documentary series beginning

So many of you getting in touch about the shooting dead of Harambe

the gorilla in the States. Let me read your comments. Bear with me.

This mouse is not very good. Lesley says, "That gorilla had the ability

to tear the baby apart in a second. Had they not shot it and the gorilla

killed the baby then there would be outrage that they had done nothing."

If you a large dart fired into you, do you think that might annoy you?

If this massive animal had fallen on the child while losing consciousness

that could have killed the boy as well." James says, "It was hasty. It

was unnecessary. The gorilla showed no intention of harming the boy."

Another viewer says, "The instinct of the gorilla is to be a parent. It

recognised the little boy wasn't a threat. I blame the parents and the

zoo." Thank you for those. Keep them coming in, we will get more reaction

from some of you before 11am. Keep your thoughts coming in. Right, time

for the weather and here is Carol. Hello, how? Very well, thank you.

You look very summery. A shame about the weather! Some places have a

beautiful start to the day. I want to show you what's happening across

Western Europe. In the hours between 8pm and 8am parts of Belgium and

parts of the south-east of England and parts of Northern France had

25,000 lightening strikes. That's a fair few. The French Open was

abandoned yesterday and this caused some disruption to air transport,

but this is the picture showing the 12 hours from 8pm last night. Now

the red crosses denote the most recent thunderstorms and then they

go back to yellow which are the last ones that we had. So what's been

happening is, it is an area of low pressurement now, it is quite a

potent area of low pressure. It caused a lot of problems across

France, Germany, Poland for example, through the course of the weekend

and it is brushing against our shores and that's produced the heavy

rain and some of the thunderstorms that we have seen this morning. The

area is unstable across the near Continent and with the higher

temperatures the whole lot just goes up. We have had thunderstorms this

morning and we've had torrential rain. In parts of Suffolk, which

isn't what this picture is showing, we had over 40 millimetres in a few

hours. That's an inch-and-a-half. It has been raining in Norfolk and

Suffolk, look at this. Where is that? This is Cornwall. The west is

gorgeous. Even the scenery by itself before you look at the weather is

lovely! This is Cumbria, gorgeous as well and finally there, one is in

Wales. Yes, it is so. So lovely. A real stark contrast. If you're in

the west, you look lovely, but you would be appropriately dressed in

the west as you are in the studio because it is not raining in here!

Why did I start that? I don't know, Carol. How is it looking anyway? It

is looking wet in the east. Torrential downpours. We have seen a

lot of rain this morning in parts of the east. It could lead to hazardous

conditions, a lot of spray around and big puddles and there is the

risk of localised flooding. As well as all that rain, we've got strong

winds. That combination is leading to a cold feel, if you haven't been

out yet, expect that and the wind is strong enough, gusting to gale force

off the coastline, as we drift west, we have got the bluer skies, through

the day though, you will notice the cloud building in parts of the west

and some of us will see rain. So this afternoon, we've got rain

across Northern England and a lot of cloud and then we run into more rain

across East Anglia and the South East. More rain as we head down

towards the Isle of Wight. Where you see greens or yellows, that's

denoting heavier bursts, but Cornwall, Devon, the Isles of

Scilly, the cloud building through Somerset. For most of Wales,

beautiful this afternoon, but east Wales, you will see cloud building.

Northern Ireland, again, beautiful for you too. Highs up to 20 Celsius

in Belfast and for most of Scotland, a beautiful afternoon. A bit more

cloud at times across the north and the east, but not particularly

spoiling it. As we head on through the evening and overnight, we

continue with the rain. For a time, it will be particularly heavy from

the Wash heading up towards Yorkshire, in through Northumberland

and Durham. The rain getting over to east Wales and Somerset, but ahead

of it in the west and the north, it will be largely dry. For some, there

will be patchy mist and fog. Tomorrow, for England and Wales,

cloudy, quite windy and cool with the rain. Quite a contrast in Wales

and the south-west compared to today whereas for Scotland and Northern

Ireland, we are in the sunshine away from the East Coast and highs of

around 20 Celsius. I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme There's been a massive backlash

against the shooting dead of a gorilla in the US after a four

year old crawled into his enclosure; a lot of you think there the zoo

acted too hastily but plenty There's been a massive backlash

against the shooting dead of a gorilla in the US after a four

year old crawled into his enclosure. A lot of you think there the zoo

acted too hastily but plenty Could that zoo afford

to risk that child's life? Do I think the zoo should have

tried other methods? We'll be speaking to a female MP

who's campaign to stop sexist and racist abuse online has led

to a barrage of abuse And - we'll talk again

to the Australian family living in Scotland who are facing

deportation from the UK. Overnight they've been told they can

stay a bit longer, but not work. Good morning, here's

a summary of todays news. The Iraqi military say special

forces are leading a battle to recapture the city of Falluja

from so-called It was seized by IS more

than two years ago. Commanders say they've met fierce

opposition, including snipers It's believed there

are 50,000 people still There's a warning that

three-quarters of older children with Type 1 diabetes are not

receiving key checks to keep The figures come from

an audit of their care Health officials recommend

all children with diabetes have their blood sugar levels

checked, and those aged 12 and over should have six other

check-ups every year. All these health care checks are

checking for the possibility of early markers of risk factors and if

you find changes you can work with the family and the child to improve

diabetes control. An inquiry into historical child sex

abuse in Northern Ireland is due to begin examining allegations

relating to the Kincora Three senior care staff

there were jailed in 1981 for abuse. The inquiry, led by a retired senior

High court judge, is expected to look at claims of links

to the intelligence services. It's already examined

allegations relating Both MI5 and MI6 have

agreed to take part. Families of patients who were abused

by staff at Winterbourne View private hospital say not enough

is being done to improve services for adults

with learning disabilities. They've written an open letter

to David Cameron saying they're angry that changes

in the system are too slow. The abuse was exposed by BBC

Panorama five years ago. The group campaigning for Britain

to leave the EU has said it would allow VAT on gas

and electricity bills to be cut. The Remain campaign says

that's the latest in more than a billion pounds in unfunded

spending commitments - If you've got any questions

on the EU Referendum, let us know. Chuka Umunna from Britain

Stronger In Europe will be answering your questions

at 12.30 and Chris Grayling from Vote Leave will do

the same on BBC News at 5. You can get in touch via Twitter

using the hashtag BBC Ask This An Australian family at risk

of being deported from the UK have been told they can stay

until August, but will not be Kathryn Brain, her husband

Gregg and son Lachlan moved to Dingwall in the Highlands

in 2011 on a student visa, The family had thought

they were at risk of being They'll be speaking

to Victoria after 10. The German car-maker, Volkswagen,

has announced a huge The scandal over the rigging

of diesel emissions tests has lead The director of a zoo

in the United States has defended the shooting dead of a silverback

gorilla, after a four year old boy There have been protests

at Cincinatti Zoo, but staff there insist that critics

are not in a position to make Looking back we would make the same

decision, I know that after it is over and the child is safe, it is

easy like the Monday morning quarterback to say while, don't we

need to do this differently? But those people do not understand

primate biology and the danger the child was in and also you were not

there at an important time to make an important decision. We stand by

our decision and we would make the same today.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10.30.

James says, I cannot understand the reaction to the gorilla. This would

be the reaction that anyone would have for a child in danger. What

about a child in trauma due to people's negative reaction? Chris

says I wonder what people would say if it was their child being dragged

around by this gorilla. Liz says it was right to shoot the gorilla even

if it was ultimately protecting the child. It's strength or weight could

have crashed that the full boy. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning. Victoria Live and if you text,

you will be charged Here is the sport. The deadline to

submit international squads is midnight tonight. England and Wales

will reveal all later today. Our reporter is with me this morning.

Good morning, David. We are waiting with bated breath. We don't know

when Roy Hodgson will reveal his 23. It has been slightly delayed. Is

this all because of Daniel Sturridge and his various issues? Yes, he is

the main concern. He missed the first friendly against Turkey in

magister because of his involvement with Liverpool, he's scored, but he

picked up a calf injury. He did not play against Australia and he did

not feature on the bench on Friday in Sunderland. He did return on

Friday, their respect and elation he could be included after all as part

of five strikers which would include Marcus Rushford, the 18-year-old.

This is Daniel Sturridge's final chance to impress. We are expecting

the squad to be announced later this afternoon. There are questions over

the likes of Andros Townsend, Danny Drinkwater. Will one of them have

two miss out? We are hearing that John Stones is probably going to get

the nod for his first match against Russia. That 26 man squad has come

down to 25 with Fabian Delph being injured, but there are two more

slots to go. They have the friendly against Portugal at Wembley on

Thursday night. Wales, half past two, we will find out. It seems

astonishing if Joe Ledley does make Chris Coleman's 23. He broke his leg

three weeks ago. It is incredibly exciting for Wales, the first major

tournament since 1958, the first time they have been at the European

Championship finals. Joe Ledley fractured his leg on the 7th of May

playing for Crystal Palace. He has joined up with the squad, because he

has been a part of Wales's progress to the finals and a key part at

that, but it would be an astonishing return to fitness. Can you really

gamble with someone who is lacking such fitness. Roy Hodgson said he

would not take anyone who is not match fit. Joe Ledley certainly is

not, he missed the FA Cup final, but will he go to France? How about this

for a seamless link? Wales's last major championship was 1958 knocked

out by Brazil in the quarterfinals, Pele scored the winner and the

Brazilian legend is selling all his football medals and memorabilia. The

reason that the auction is slightly unclear, but it is expected to raise

more than ?3 million, he is selling his three World Cup winner medals

and a replica of a trophy and dozens of shirts he played in. He is even

selling the boots he wore in the film escape to victory. They are

expected to fetch about ?5,000. It is expected to take place over five

days in London next month. So much stuff, Victoria.

A Labour MP claims she's had over 1600 messages

about raping her in the space of 36 hours.

Last week Jess Phillips the MP for Yardley in Birmingham launched

a campaign against sexism, abuse and intimidation online.

But since that campaign the threats against her have

Here are some examples of the kind of messages she's received.

How do you react to those tweets? Unfortunately I have got used to it.

They are idiots on the Internet and it is not even the content of some

of the tweets. The level of discourse is that which I would

judge in Ireland and-year-old for having. -- judge my 11-year-old for

having. It is the sheer number of people who have got in touch with

me, it is dog piling, basically any normal discourse that could happen

on any social plaque home is completely crowded out. -- any

social platform. It poisons the timeline of anyone who speaks to

you. The number of tweets and the re-tweets and the people piling in,

dog piling as you call it, there have been 5000 tweets pretty much

referring to raping you or not raping you. The level of discourse

is saying they do not want to rape me as if it is something you do to

someone you like. Goodness knows where they have got it from. It is

about 5000 people, 5000 notifications, mentions that I have

got. The ones who are saying I would not rape you and the others that are

saying this is not an insult, they would not rape you as if you should

be grateful for that. I do not normally feel the need to tell

people I will not my view or hit you, because we are normal human

beings. It is as if I should be thankful that these people are

saying they are not going to rape me. You described them as idiots and

I have looked at the guidelines for what should be treated as a crime

under current law. Communication is targeting an individual which may

constitute harassment or stalking, communications which could be

considered indecent, obscene or false. Have you contacted the

police? I haven't. It all happened yesterday. While these people think

I'm sitting around playing the victim, I was playing games with my

children in the garden most of the day. I don't need to contact the

police any more, my local police officers watch what happens on

Twitter and they get in touch with me. I am sure they will. The vast

majority of people who do this are in America, so there is very little

West Midlands Police can do about it. I will be contacting Twitter

about some of the ringleaders of this dog piling. I have got to the

stage now that I feel that legal action be its civil or criminal in

some way is the way to attack these people. Rather than just ignore it

or mute them. Yes. I could never block them, you would need someone

full-time to block the number of people who got in touch with me over

the weekend. It is not a solution to block and ignore them. The only

solution in stopping seeing it is if I stop going on twitter which is a

very real possibility. I think the people who are the ringleaders of

this, some action needs to be taken against them, but also there needs

to be technology whereby I have blocked the person who started this

years ago and anyone who mentions him in a tweets and mention me, I

should not be able to see that and I don't want to see that. I think

Twitter needs to do something about that. There are things you can do.

You also wrote that Twitter is dead. As a platform, it is the worst area

for this. Until twitter makes this sort of thing stop happening and

stop accepting that this sort of dog piling and mass bullying can happen,

their business model is totally flawed. People like me and people

who do not like this terrible side of the Internet will just walk away,

we will go to Facebook, mums net, other platforms where this does not

happen. Twitter are already struggling and I don't see how it

can last. I have seen some savage stuff on

Facebook. There are some vicious stuff wherever you go. I think that

Facebook though for a start if you're not allowed to be anonymous.

There is the govern of it being an internal group of people. Facebook

are massively funding counter speech where awful things are being said.

If you look at models like Mumsnet or some of the other forums that,

you know, maybe me and you can't name because we are not into this

sort of thing, there are real community guidelines and anything

like this starts to happen, those people are either gone or the

community attacks them. Mumsnet is a really, really good example of where

this stuff just doesn't happen. In the early days of Twitter, it was

a really warm community. What has changed? Is it just because it has

become so popular? The fact that it has become, these people sort of

know that it is where you can really get at somebody. Also my husband was

just saying to me beforehand and he is a proper geek, he is on all sorts

of crazy forums that I've never heard of, he was saying to me the

difference is people go to forums like Mumsnet to speak about

something specific, he goes on computer game forums to speak about

something specific, Twitter is your playground, it is the extension of

every bit of your life. If you want to bully somebody, that's the place

to do it. Not to do it in a place where you might be talking about

your toddler having a tantrum. Do you think it is a woman thing? Is it

mostly women being bullied or are men victims too? Oh men are victims

too. Most of the research shows if you are anything outside of sort of

white, mid--le class man, you are more likely so if you're black, if

you're gay, if you're Jewish, if you're any sort of slight break from

the norm about you means that you're more likely to get more attacks.

Lots of people got in touch to say this person who start this on you,

we have had action from him, but he will never hate me as much as he

hates you because you're a woman. Thank you very much for talking to

us. No problems. Yeses Phillips the MP for Yardley.

-- jess Phillips the MP for Yardley. We reached out to Twitter

for comment on Jess' case. The social media platform told us,

"We do not comment on individual cases for privacy and security

reasons but there are multiple ways The organisation said, "We do not

tolerate behaviour that crosses the line into abuse including

behaviour that harasses, intimidates, or uses fear to silence

another user's voice." So many comments about the gorilla.

Let me get some. OK, this e-mail from Tim. He is in Hampshire. He

says, "The outcry regarding the decision to shoot the dor ril la is

truly amazing. Now senior zoo personnel are qualified zoologists

who know the behavioural characteristics and characteristics

capabilities of animals in their care. Of course, it was sad to lose

such a beautiful animal which should not even be in captivity, but what

would the public reaction had been if the gorilla killed the child?"

An Australian family facing possible deportation from the UK today have

now been told they can stay until August, but they won't

Kathryn Brain her husband, Gregg, and son Lachlan moved

to the Highlands in 2011 on a student visa,

We spoke to them exclusively on this programme last week,

since then they've both been offered jobs, which they can't take up

Greg tell our audience what the situation is? The Immigration

Minister Mr Brokenshire has given us approximately 60 days until the 1st

August to get a visa application in. However, we have not been given the

right-to-work. As you just said we have both got jobs offers. Kathryn

has an offer from a community project. They were hoping Kathryn

could start this morning. Kathryn has not been involve will have

effects on not just herself, but for this distillery. The key about being

able to work is that will help you raise money which will help in a

further application for a new visa? Yes, well, that's the complication.

Mr Brokenshire knows that we can't work. He is the Immigration

Minister? He is the Immigration Minister. Ordered us to stop in mid-

March, but we are likely to be faced with a visa requirement for what's

called maintenance funds. Which means we have to have ?3,000 sitting

untouched in an an account for 90 days prior to making an application.

I doubt whether Mr Brokenshire would have any reason to believe

otherwise, we have less than no money. We are being set-up to fail.

Kathryn, what do you think? I'm echoing what Greg just said, you

know, not just the funds having to be in the account for 90 days prior

to making the application, but we have got 60 days between now and 1st

August. Even if a wonderful person in the community are able to raise

those funds so we could have it sitting in our account, we don't

have the time to have that sitting in our account before making an

application. So you know, as Greg said, it is almost like he is trying

to appear generous by giving this extra time for us, but by the same

token taking it away by putting this impossible request on us. As Greg

also said with the job that I have been offered with the distillery and

the job that Greg has been offered, although it may not qualify for a

tier two work visa, it is a highly skilled job up here in the Highlands

where his employer needs him on the ground as well. But the job that I

have been offered is reliant on a deadline that we've got with raising

the capital for the distillery and John McKenzie needs me on the ground

as of today if possible, but without that right-to-work, I can't accept

the job even if a temporary capacity or as we have discovered recently

with another non-EU national who has been trying to organise an

indefinite leave to remain, even if I was to volunteer my services that

would be in breach. I can't even work for free! I doubt very much the

Immigration Minister is watching our programme. His officials might be.

What would you say to them directly? Well, if I can quote James

Brokenshire's letter. One of the letters he wrote to us, he said that

applicants should never assume the provisions in place at the time of

their initial entry to the UK will continue to be viable options in

future years. He seems to be saying that the UK Government's stated

position is to be untrustworthy in their dealings with immigrants. We

were promised a tier two work visa when we applied for our visa in 2010

and when it was granted which was the year before the change to the

visa regime was announced. At that point, we had to have some ?15,000

or ?20,000 maintenance funds sitting in an account for 90 days. Again,

all we're asking for is for the UK Government, this is a country which

prides itself as being the birthplace of the rule of law, you

would think dealing with the UK Government, you would be dealt with

honourably and ethnically. Mr Brokenshire's quotes appears to

suggest that's not an assumption to make. He has the opportunity to show

that we can trust the UK Government. How is Lachlan? He is fortunate to

have a seven-year-old's understanding of what is going on

and that's shielding him a bit and for that, we're grateful He is going

through a growth spurt at the moment hence the yawns!

LAUGHTER His back is always hanging out of

the fridge and he is always tired at the moment. Kathryn can you say hi

to Lachlan And how he is. Darling, do you want to tell the TV people

how you are and how you're getting on with regards to how you're

feeling about mummy and daddy doing everything we can to stay here in

Scotland? No. Sorry about that. Don't be daft. Fair enough. Thank

you very much. We will, of course, keep in touch. We will bring our

viewers any update in your story. We appreciate your time again, thank

you. Thank you. Thank you. Lachlan Is exhausted. I don't blame

her. Kathryn and Gregg Brain and Lachlan 6.

The body of Elliot Johnson was found on railway tracks. The coroner

refused a call by his family for a full inquest that could hear more

detailed about the months leading up to his death. Saying the purpose is

not to determine whether the allegations of bullying are true. We

should say those allegations have been denied from within the

Conservative Party. On this programme last year, we spoke to

Elliot Johnson's father, Ray. He told us how the family were coping.

It's very, very difficult for us. Elliot was a very bright, articulate

young man. He a great future ahead of him. He went to London in June to

start a new career and of course, that career was cut dreadfully

short. Well, Ben Ando is at the Coroners'

Court in Bedfordshire. Ben, what are we expecting today?

Yes, well, I mean, Ray and Alice Johnson are here to observe the

inquest. It started with the coroner being shown a photograph of

21-year-old Elliot Johnson on the day of his graduation proudy wearing

his robe and holding his scroll, but he did open the inquest by pointing

out that this was about ascertaining purely the facts of the case, who

the deceased was and how they came by his death and the coroner was at

pains to point out that that term phrase "How they came by the death"

Is specific in legal terms. He said it is beyond the scope of the

inquiry to look at allegations of bullying within the Conservative

Party, to look at questions of self-harming and previous suicides

attempts by Mr Johnson, to look at possible relationship breakdowns or

other factors. They would be considered, he said, but it wasn't

for the inquest to apportion blame or look to find scapegoats or any

kind of evidence that could be used later in criminal or civil

proceedings. Thank you, Ben Ando outside the

coroners' court in Hampshire. Some comments from people watching Jess

Phillips the Labour MP earlier. Last week, she launched a campaign called

Reclaim the Internet. On Sunday, into Monday, she had thousands and

thousands of comments from people talking about raping her. Many of

them incredibly abusive and horrible. David on Twitter says,

"Good point by Jess Phillips, they block out any civil conversation."

Tim on Twitter says, "Great dignity from Jess Phillips." The only

solution is to block or mute. Mark says, "A rape threat is illegal.

Report it to the police. I don't see why Twitter should be blamed for the

morans on there." Pete says, "On behalf of the 90% of the male race I

apologise for the other 10% who sicken us all." Mohamed says,

"Twitter reluctancy to react. They rely on trolls to keep the

engagement figures up." The latest from the city of Fallujah

as Government forces launch a final assault against so-called Islamic

State. We will bring you the very latest.

With the News, here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom.

The Iraqi military say special forces are leading a battle

to recapture the city of Falluja from so-called

It says about 4,000 residents fled in the last week. Commanders say

they have met fierce opposition including snipers and suicide

bombers. It is believed there are 50,000 people still trapped in the

city. There's a warning that

three-quarters of older children with Type 1 diabetes are not

receiving key checks to keep The figures come from

an audit of their care Health officials recommend

all children with diabetes have their blood sugar levels

checked, and those aged 12 and over should have six other

check-ups every year. Families of patients who were abused

by staff at Winterbourne View private hospital say not enough

is being done to improve services for adults

with learning disabilities. They've written an open letter

to David Cameron saying they're angry that changes

in the system are too slow. The abuse was exposed by BBC

Panorama five years ago. Steve Sollars, whose

son Sam was held there, is among those who have

signed the letter. There are still roundabout 3500

people in these units and they are all at risk of abuse through

medication, through restraint. Sam was one of them with the use of over

medication and overuse of the restraints. It has to stop. The

government have had five years to do something, they have not done

anything. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

And Victoria will be speaking to a woman whose daughter was sent

to a unit in Brighton and the charity Mencap

who are calling for immediate changes to the way patients

with learning difficulties are cared for.

The group campaigning for Britain to leave the EU has said it

would allow VAT on gas and electricity bills to be cut.

The Remain campaign claims it's the latest in more

than a billion pounds in unfunded spending commitments -

If you've got any questions on the EU Referendum, let us know.

Chuka Umunna from Britain Stronger In Europe

will be answering your questions at 12.30 and Chris Grayling

from Vote Leave will do the same on BBC News at 5.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This

An Australian family at risk of being deported from the UK have

been told they can stay until August, but will not be

Kathryn Brain, her husband Gregg and son Lachlan

moved to Dingwall in the Highlands in 2011 on a student visa,

The family had thought they were at risk of being

As things currently stand, Mr broken Shire has given us another 60 days

to the 1st of August to get a Visa application. However, we have not

been given the right to work. We both have job offers, Catherine has

a job offer with a distillery, a community project, we were hoping

she could start there this morning. An inquest into the death of a young

Conservative activist, who made allegations of bullying

in the party, is beginning today. The German car maker, Volkswagen,

has announced a huge The scandal over the rigging

of diesel emissions tests has lead to higher costs

and falling sales. The director of a zoo

in the United States has defended the shooting dead of a silverback

gorilla, after a four year old boy There have been protests

at Cincinatti Zoo, but staff there insist that critics

are not in a position to make I know it is easy like a Monday

morning quarterback to say wow, don't we need to do this

differently? People who do that don't understand primate biology and

the danger of the child was in and also you were not there at an

important time to make an important decision. We stand by our decision.

We would make the same today. Ceremonies will be held

in Orkney and at sea today, to mark 100 years since Britain

and Germany fought the naval Battle of Jutland in which more than 8,000

sailors lost their lives. British and German warships

will scatter symbols of remembrance on the waters of the Jutland Bank,

above the wrecks of ships The Duke of Edinburgh was due

to attend but withdrew, That is the end of your news

summary. Now to the sport. Alastair Cook scored 10,000 test runs, at 31

he is the youngest player to do that. They beat Sri Lanka to clinch

the series. Roy Hodgson will name his final England squad for the

European Championship later today, he needs to trim two players from

his current squad of 25. Daniel Sturridge may be one of those to

miss out. The big question over the Wales squad announcement at 230 this

afternoon is whether or not Joe Ledley will be included. He

fractured his leg earlier this month, but he could still be fit for

the final group match. The Arsenal full-back has been called up to the

Spain squad. He replaces. Andy Murray will be playing Richard

Gasquet, but it is still raining in Paris. It looks like there will be a

big log of matches. Families of victims of the Winterbourne view

scandal have written to the Prime Minister is saying that he should

shut outdated care institutions. After five years, not enough has

changed. You may remember panorama showed residents being slapped,

having their hair pulled and medication was forced into their

mouths. After that programme, the government vowed to move patients

with learning difficulties out of hospitals and into community care.

Five years on the charity mencap says that is not happening. We have

a spokesman from mencap and we have a mother whose daughter stays in a

care home. George Julian is from a campaign group set up in memory of

Conor sparrowhawk. Why is it not happening. They target was set in

2014 to get people out of these units and back into the community,

that has not happened, it has not happened because we have not seen

the right infrastructure put in place locally. Councils and the NHS

working together. We have not seen the right services developed in

local communities are people with a learning disability can be supported

in their community. Is it a lack of will, a lack of cash, a lack of

planning? There is money in the system, but it is a lack of

planning. The directives have come down from on high, but they have not

been delivered locally. In some areas you see change, but in others

you don't. Last October a report was published by the NHS saying of the

next three years over 50% who are in the units will come back into the

community over the next three years. That is welcome, plans are being

developed at the moment, but families have been let down before,

people with learning disabilities have been let down before. We need

to see things being done differently and lessons learned from previous

failure. Your daughter Claire has autism, she has had a year in the

assessment and treatment unit, there is no abuse, but she is quite

distressed and you would like her to move into supported accommodation.

Yes, she was sent to the forensics unit and she has been home with us

19 months. People are starting to listen and the plan is she has

supported living accommodation. It is all about working together with

families, listening to the young people, their voices, their dreams,

their wishes. They are all human beings, there are so many people

still locked up. Our daughter had been home 29 days the previous month

and then on the 1st of August she was sent five hours away from us.

She had been in the community doing no more things, but she had not been

given a chance. Now she is home, we are lucky we have support in place

now. Five and a half, six hours a day. She is living here with us,

people are listening to her. Once the child turns 18, parents are

normally just excluded completely. Why do you think in the final years

since Winterbourne view, things have not got any better for people with

learning disabilities? I am not sure there is the will. I think there is

a conflict of interest between people who are working to charities

and those who provide services and some who are not of a high enough

quality themselves, including mencap who run unsafe services. We have

known about these problems, they are systemic problems. There has been no

action and three years ago when Conor died, there was a study that

showed people were dying 20 years early, he was 18 years old, he

should not have died, it was due to neglect. His family and friends have

tried to improve things and get some answers. They talked to the chief

executive of NHS England who commissioned a review into the trust

Web Conor died. It found 337 learning disabled people died in

that four year period and only two of the deaths were investigated. --

where Conor died. Do you want to answer the point about unsafe

services? We provide services and sometimes there are issues in our

services. They are not unsafe. The care regulator has found issues in

some of our services. It is right they are identified and it is our

responsibility to put those right and we accept full responsibility

for that. The reason why we are talking about Winterbourne view

today, the families have said there has been no change over the past

five years. Plans are being developed up and down the country to

bring people out of these units and back into the community. Over the

next few months it is absolutely key that those areas are listening to

people with learning disabilities and families. You are shaking your

head. We have been saying this for five years, mencap or 151

organisations who put their name to the Winterbourne view Concorde to

change this. It is not acceptable they are calling on the government

to make changes that they have failed to make themselves. None of

their provision is outstanding and one of their services is unsafe.

Perhaps they should sort their own house out before they criticise

others. Why are we having this conversation and not people with a

learning disability. Mencap have not given the voice, not given the

power, to people who are learning disabled to put their perspective

across. We could not do that at 24 hours notice, they could have. We

are holding the power in the system, we are not giving the opportunity to

learning disabled people to speak for themselves. Go on. Talk to her.

At the end of the day, families who had relatives at Winterbourne view

wanted us to sign this letter to show there had been a lack of

progress. I agree that we need to be at the forefront. We are bringing

together a group of families to meet with NHS England to look at the

plans being developed to make sure what will be bowling out across the

country over the coming years is the right kind of support that people

want. What have you done for the last five years? What has been

happening? We signed the Concorde act to hold the government and NHS

to account, that is why we are sitting here today having this

conversation which is say there has not been the change that we want and

to raise the profile. We will pause to say goodbye to viewers on BBC

Two, the programme continues on the BBC News Channel. Do carry on, Dan.

In your answer to George. We all want the same thing, we all want

people to not go into assessment and treatment unit and we want to see

the people who are in units supported to come back to their

communities. We all agree on that and that is what we want to see in

the future and what we need to work together on. The longer these people

are away from their families, away from the communities, it gets harder

for them. The stress, the families, they all had to cope with it. It is

not easy to get them out of these places when doctors have them under

section and families have two fight against it. This is what is

happening all over the place. We will leave it there. I appreciate

your time. Have you decided how you will vote in the EU referendum?

Whether you have or haven't, you are welcome to take part on the 6th of

June next Monday, we are in Manchester, just over a fortnight

before the actual vote, it is open to everyone and it will take place

between 9am and 11am. If you want to take part and you can get to

Manchester from wherever you are in the UK, do e-mail us to have a

chance to have your chance to quiz senior politicians from the Leave

and Remain campaigns. In the last half hour,

it has been reported from Iraq that the UN refugee agency has

received several reports of people being used as human shields

by the so-called Islamic State 50,000 people are feared trapped

in the city which was captured by IS two years ago and is now

the subject of a fierce final assault by Iraqi government forces

as they try to retake it. There's growing alarm

about conditions there, with reports of people starving

to death and of being killed One women who was lucky enough

to escape to a refugee camp to the south of the city,

spoke to us of her ordeal. TRANSLATION: Thank God we were able

to get away from suffering under They let us starve

and left us thirsty. They took away our men and told us

to go home saying they'll return, but they didn't send

them back alive or dead. We can speak to Afzal Ashraf,

a consultant fellow at Royal United Services Institute

and was a senior officer And in Iraq is Becky Bakr Abulla

from the Norwegian Refugee Council. Becky, tell us about the camp first

of all. What things people are telling you when they arrive in the

camp. Well, the camps are located approximately 30 kilometres away

from Falluja town where the intense fighting is still ongoing. The

families I've met are telling me about an extremely dire situation

they have lived in for the past months. They have had no access to

proper food, water, there has been no electricity or any medicines to

get a hold of. They have been surviving on water from the river

and dry dates. Some have managed to get hold of yoghurt they told me the

escape from the intense fighting has been dangerous, they have been

running for hours at night-time carrying only the clothes on their

back and their ID cards. What do they say it is like inside fa fa?

They have been telling me they have been afraid for their lives every

minute of the day. They haven't been sleeping. They haven't been eating.

They are staying indoors. Children are not going to school anymore. It

has been extremely traumatic for them. Let me ask you. In terms of

where Iraqi Government troops are in relation to Falluja can you describe

that for our audience, please? Well, it is not entirely clear because

they haven't given a clear indication of their positions, but

it seems they have surrounded most of the city, not all of it, so that

does allow the Daesh fighters to withdraw if they wish to which may

not be a bad thing under the circumstances, if they withdraw it

means that the civilians are not in danger. With dra from fa fa? Yes. If

Iraqi Government troops are surrounding it? I'm not sure they

have surrounded it difficult. It is difficult to surround fa fa.

Fa fa the Falluja a regiment had to help the coalition which was

American to surround the city. That was to defeat Al-Qaeda back then,

wasn't it? It was the fore runners of Daesh who were Al-Qaeda in Iraq

and who have more offed into Daesh. It was this group. IS have been in

control of Falluja for two years, why is it crucial the Iraqi

Government get them out here? First of all, there have been recent

bombings. Yesterday there were several suicide bombings leading to

the deaths of dozens of people. This has been going on for a few weeks. A

few weeks ago we had the storming of the green zone because the

protesters... That's the so-called safe area in Baghdad for Government

officials, for important VIPs? The belief amongst ordinary Iraqis

particularly in Baghdad the Government is ineffective, it is not

providing for the basic needs of security, water, electricity and so

on. All of this is being now championed by a politician to led

the biggest insurgency against the Americans again in 2004 and it was

only the intervention of ayatollah Sistani that stopped that. It would

have been difficult for the coalition to keep him under control.

He is on the scene. This is conspiring to make the Baghdad

Government feel they must do something and Falluja is a

convenient and easy location for them to demonstrate success.