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It's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme.

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France is suffering severe fuel shortages as strikes

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against new labour laws cripple the country.

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Bank holiday and half term travellers face disruption

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and things could get worse ahead of Euro 2016.

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And Roberto Saviano, an Italian journalist whose books

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on the mafia have lead to death threats and a life under

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After I wrote my book the Italian state put me

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And this year will be the tenth year I have been under protection.

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And do you find it hard to talk to your children about drugs?

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We'll have the details and hear from parents and young people.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11:00am.

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We'll also have more on the EU referendum,

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and we'll be asking a group of undecided voters if Victoria's

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BBC 1 debate last night helped them make up their minds.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

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Use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged

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could see their travel plans disrupted this Bank Holiday weekend,

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because of widespread industrial action in France.

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Protests over changes to employment laws have led to severe fuel

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shortages in the country, as hundreds of workers

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There have been violent clashes between police and protestors.

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On the streets of Paris, police and protesters clash

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as France's labour strike grips the country.

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The unions are digging their heels in over the proposed changes

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These violent clashes are not widespread, and travellers should

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However, people in vehicles may not be able to avoid

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The Foreign Office is advising British drivers they may not be able

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to fill up jerry cans, and fuel rationing may be imposed.

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50% of petrol stations are affected, especially in the north and west.

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As many as 80% are reporting shortages in the areas

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Motoring organisations have warned drivers to fill up before

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crossing the channel, but not to carry extra supplies

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French railways say there may be some local disruption,

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but say it is not widespread, and cross-Channel ferries

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While this type of trouble is isolated, travellers this weekend

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are likely to be impacted by the industrial

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Those heading to the European Football Championships starting

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in two weeks may also face travel problems.

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Joining me now from Paris is our correspondent, Hugh Schofield.

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What is the latest? I think the picture today is that things have

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eased compared to yesterday. Yesterday was a national day of

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action, so the strikes and protests and demonstrations were linked to

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yesterday. Today, that action has been suspended. We still have the

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petrol blockades. Blockades outside petrol refineries and so on. You're

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obviously having trouble, we'll leave it. We will keep you updated

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on the best advice is you are planning to travel to France this

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weekend. We'll speak to some of the people who have been affected by the

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shortages, later. Let us know if you have been affected. The usual ways

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to get in touch. The leaders of the world's top seven

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economies have said that a vote by the UK to leave

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the European Union would pose In their final statement

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from a two-day summit in Japan, the G7 warns that leaving

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would reverse the trend of increased global trade,

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investment, and jobs. Vote Leave campaigners have accused

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the government of breaching the spirit of its own rules

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by publishing analysis late last night suggesting millions of current

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and future pensioners would be worse off if Britain

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left the European Union. The publication says

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basic state pensions would be worth at least ?137

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a year less in real terms. Tell us more about the so-called

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purdah period and why the Vote Leave amp a nose are annoyed about the

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timing of the pensions analysis? The period kicked in at midnight and one

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of -- what it effectively is, a period running up to the referendum

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when the government cannot use the machinery of government to make its

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case, it can't publish papers in support of remaining in the European

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Union. It hasn't done that, but last night at 10pm it published a report

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on the effect of leaving on pensioners. This was a follow-up to

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the big report on the effects of leaving the EU that the government

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published on Monday and what it said is that if there is a recession, a

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shock to the economic system, if inflation goes up, asset prices go

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down, pensioners will be affected. If you are on the state pension,

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because of higher inflation, and if you have a workplace pension,

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because share prices will go down. The Vote Leave amp a have come out

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and attacked this as outrageous because they say that it is an

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attempt to scare pensioners and they say that although the government

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hasn't technically broken the rules, it has broken the spirit of the

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rules by coming out with this last night so they can dominate the news

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agenda for another day. David Cameron has had to declare that he

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is not a closet Brexit fan, something he would not want to deal

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with at this stage. This came from one of his closest political

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advisers, Steve Hilton, who has been doing the rounds of TV studios

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generating the City for a book he has written. He has said that if

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David Cameron wasn't in ten Downing St he would be campaigning for

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Britain to leave the European Union. So David Cameron, at the

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International summit in Japan, has said that this is not the case, he

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is not a closet Brexit fan, he is passionate about remaining in the

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EU, but it is embarrassing for him nevertheless. Thank you for joining

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us. President Obama is attending

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a ceremony in the Japanese city of Hiroshima to remember

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the 140,000 people who died when America dropped

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an atomic bomb there in 1945. He's the first US President

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to visit Hiroshima. Mr Obama has already made it clear

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he won't be making an apology Joining me now from Hiroshima

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is our correspondent Mariko Oi. What's happening, there has been

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criticism of the visit from North Korea, and China, but what do Japan

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and America hope to get from it? I think the clear message that the

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visit sense to the world is that the two countries, once the enemies, are

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now very strong allies. President Obama has left the US airbase about

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15 minutes ago and is affected to arrive very shortly and should be

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arriving in about 15, 20 minutes, to the peace Memorial Park just to the

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left of me. Security is high, we are surrounded by police officers. Early

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this morning we were broadcasting closer to the Dome, but security has

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definitely tightened ahead of the President's arrival. Thank you for

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joining us. David Cameron has announced that

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a Royal Navy warship will be sent to the Mediterranean to help tackle

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people and arms smuggling It will join the survey vessel HMS

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Enterprise that's already on duty there and target boats smuggling

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arms to so-called Islamic State, as our diplomatic correspondent,

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James Landale explains. The Prime Minister described this

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as a step forward in British naval At the moment, essentially

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the British ships that are there are doing mainly search

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and rescue for the migration ships, He wants that to move forward,

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so he's going to send a warship to the region,

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to help support that process of getting the Libyan government's

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coastguard and navy up and running, so they can start stopping these

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migration boats getting off But also he said he wants

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this navy warship to get involved in something else,

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and that is detecting and stopping boats that are transporting

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and smuggling arms to so-called Islamic State fighters that

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are operating on the The EU has to formally agree it,

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the United Nations has to give it permission, but the Prime Minister

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said it is in Britain's national interest that the UK supports

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what he called the fledgling government in Libya,

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to actually start trying to get control over the migration crisis,

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which, as he said, is getting worse, but also to begin to put some

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pressure on those Islamic State fighters operating off

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the north coast of Libya. A British tourist has died

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and another is missing after a speedboat capsized

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near Koh Samui, in Thailand. The boat was carrying 32 passengers

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and four crew when it hit a large Two other tourists also died and a

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third British person was injured. Rescuers freed one woman by cutting

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into the overturned hull. It's emerged that the accidental

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deletion of fingerprint and DNA records of terrorism suspects

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is almost twice as extensive In March it was announced that 450

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profiles had been deleted from a police database

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in England and Wales. But the Biometrics Commissioner now

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says that the figure is over 800. The Home Office says steps

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are being taken to fix the issue. An American hiker who was

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lost on a remote part of the Appalachian Trail survived

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for 26 days before she died from starvation and exposure,

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newly released papers show. Geraldine Largay, who went missing

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in 2013, sent text messages to her husband but they were never

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sent because there was no signal. The 66 year old left a final note

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asking whoever found her body to call her husband and daughter

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to let them know she had died. That's a summary of

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the latest BBC news. In the next half-hour,

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we'll have tips on talking Do get in touch

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with your experiences. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning. Today it is the story of waiting for

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Jose, the story of our lives so far, but Jose Mourinho is edging closer

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to being confirmed as the new manager of Manchester United.

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He was looking smart for negotitions yesterday.

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And we now know a deal has been agreed, the former Chelsea boss is

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Mourinho will soon be working with United

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He's set to make his senior England debut

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tonight, just 92 days after his

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The 18 year old is likely to start at the Stadium of Light this evening

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as he makes a late bid for inclusion in Roy Hodgson's Euro 2016 squad.

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The striker has risen to prominence with eight goals in 18

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I am more than content that he will handle that situation. I would have

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preferred, I suppose, in some ways, to have avoided all of the headlines

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that will come with a debut at such a young age, after such a meteoric

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rise. But I can't do that without either lying, or trying to disguise

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my intentions in some kind of fog, and I don't want to do that either.

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Northern Ireland manager Michael O'Neill has a final chance

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to look at his Euro 2016 options, as they host Belarus

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O'Neill will announce his 23-man squad tomorrow ahead

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of their participation in their first

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England's second test against Sri Lanka gets underway

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in less than two hours time in Durham.

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Captain Alastair Cook needs just 20 runs to reach

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There's one change to the team, Chris Woakes comes in for

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All-rounder Woakes is in form after taking nine wickets

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He's already got six test caps and will bat at number eight,

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with Jonny Bairstow and Moeen Ali moving up the order.

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Olympic boxing champion Nicola Adams is into the final of the

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championships in Kazakhstan. This is the only title she has never won but

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she's on the of success after beating her opponent on points in

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the flyweight semifinal. Double Olympic Champion Rebecca

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Adlington has given her backing to the retesting programme that's

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catching drugs cheats. Earlier this week it was revealed

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that samples taken from the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing showed

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positive tests for 14 Adlington says it's important

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for athletes to be able As an athlete, you don't want to

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stand up to somebody -- stand up next to somebody on the block and

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think that you can't win. That must be an awful feeling for an athlete.

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We're always trying to play catch up with the drug cheats and we need to

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a way to find people cheating and pinpoint them and have a severe

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enough consequence as well. There needs to be Olympic bans as well.

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And lifetime bans. We will be back shortly

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with the sport headlines and maybe just maybe,

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that Jose move will We will see Jose's best bits just

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after 10. Ten years ago, journalist

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Roberto Saviano published a book It was a decision that

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would see his life The book itself, an expose

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of the inner workings of the Mafia It was translated into 54 languages,

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and made into an acclaimed film. But it's proved a life

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sentence for Saviano himself First, though, here is

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more about his story. Matthew Price has been speaking

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to Roberto Saviano about his life ten years on from when he first

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exposed Mafia secrets. Roberto Saviano,

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thank you for coming. Ten years ago, you did what really

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nobody else had been brave enough to do, you wrote a book that exposed

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the brutality of the organised Most Italians - maybe most Italians

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describe you as a hero. Certainly Italian friends of mine

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say you're a hero to them, The Mafia have put a price tag

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on your head, they want you dead, and essentially you are now

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in hiding, aren't you? TRANSLATION: After I wrote my book,

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the Italian state put me Currently, I live with bodyguards,

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and this year will be the tenth year I didn't believe I would

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end up like this. I am aware that I am not brave

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when I say if I went back in time, What you are describing,

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in terms of your own personal life in the last ten years, would,

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to most people be pretty horrific. You have bodyguards,

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you say, how big a team? TRANSLATION: It depends

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on the location. At the moment, whenever I am outside

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in public I have seven bodyguards Otherwise, five

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bodyguards and two cars. It depends on the country

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hosting me, though there are few countries that have

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decided not to let me in. It might seem absurd,

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but this is very common for people At the moment, in Europe

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and South America, there are many writers

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who are in the same situation. I found myself in this situation,

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because I didn't hide my face. I never wanted to hide my

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identity when I am on TV. It's fundamentally important that

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I put myself out there. My face, my eye, my name,

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my blood and my body. You have bodyguards then,

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are you able to live I mean, presumably over some

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of the ten years you've not been out in Italian society,

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if you like. TRANSLATION: Bodyguards are given

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to people like myself. To be able to say these death

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threats will not stop you. For example, when I go to a venue

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and give a talk, I will be Sometimes I can go to a restaurant,

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but I will be surrounded There is a part of me that longs

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for revenge against the people I don't want to give

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my life over to them. It's inconceivable that

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I give it away to them. All this came about because you

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pointed the finger directly at the criminal bosses,

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the Mafia bosses. Perhaps we, in Britain,

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in America and places, we have a romanticised image

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of the Mafia, from the movies Yet you are saying -

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I mean, the Mafia, does it really It controls Italy in the violent way

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that you suggest? TRANSLATION: The Mafia has a big

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control over the Italian And also some military control

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in certain areas. A small segment of their

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activity is illegal. The illegal segment mainly

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comprises cocaine, marijuana The legal operations

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on the other hand mainly focus on waste management,

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including toxic waste. And there is a lot of funding

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placed into construction. The best way to understand Mafia

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organisation is to think Which not only use their wealth,

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lobbying and marketing when they do business,

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but also rifles, bombs, The Mafia has special rules,

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and they clearly state That is how they define themselves,

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and men of honour listen A few years ago, I spent some time

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in Mexico, covering the drug wars I was struck by something that

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you are quoted as saying. You said, if Mexico is the heart

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of the drugs war, then London, the city we are sitting in, is its

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head, the head of the drugs war. TRANSLATION: A university study has

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demonstrated that over 90% of money made through drug trafficking

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is laundered in the US and Europe. In Europe, this mainly

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happens in London. TRANSLATION: A university study has

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demonstrated that over 90% of money made through drug trafficking

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is laundered in the US and Europe. In Europe, this mainly

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happens in London. Without London, Mexican cartels,

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money for example, it Thanks to the offshore financial

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system that Britain allows, cash gets straight into Europe

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through the front door, The British public think

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they are detached But if you see the way

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in which money is moved around, you can see that London

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is actually very close It's obvious you're

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passionate about this subject, about corruption,

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but what about the psychological You must be scared, you must fear

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for your life. TRANSLATION: I am scared

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I will never escape the situation. It's difficult for British

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people to understand, because the threats on my life

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were not by phone or letter. But they put, as I understand it,

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a leaflet through your mother's door with a picture of your face on it,

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a gun to your head, a picture of this, and the word "condemned"

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written across the top. I mean, you're laughing

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but the impact on your mother, on your family, on you,

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surely that is huge? TRANSLATION: This sort

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of threat I'm used to. The impact on my family,

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on my mother - I am not sure I am suffering the threats,

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but I am also continuing to work. At the moment, I'm here with you,

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speaking out, but my family are not. I will never forgive myself

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for what I have done to my family. They have lost their happiness,

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their quality of life. The only way of getting out

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of this is to be conscious I know that what I am

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doing has a purpose. For what it's worth,

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I think you are incredibly brave. Roberto Saviano talking

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to Matthew Price there - his new book out yesterday

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is called My Italians: True Stories The Home Office has told us the

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current Government has done more than any other to tackle

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money-laundering. Let us take you live to Japan, where

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President Barack Obama will lay a wreath in memory of 40,000 people

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killed instantly from radiation, in 1945. This is the peace Memorial

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Park. The Cenotaph is where the US president will lay a wreath with its

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eternal flame. We can see the group making its way to the Cenotaph.

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It is the President's entourage, not President Barack Obama himself. He

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is the first sitting US president to visit Hiroshima. After the G-7

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summit. That is why he is in the region. He has said he will not

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issue an apology for the nuclear attack, but he will honour all those

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who died in the Second World War. That is the Cenotaph, with the

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eternal flame, where President Barack Obama will lay a wreath. He

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is expected to pay tribute to those killed in the bombing. He will offer

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a simple reflection and acknowledging the devastating toll

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of war, and saying also the world can and must do better.

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We will go back there when President Barack Obama lays the wreath, that

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is expected in ten minutes or so. One in five 16- to 24-year olds

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admits taking illegal How should parents tackle

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the issue with teenagers? We speak to one of its new

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presenters, Rory Reid, and show you his 30-second audition

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tape which apparently Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom

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with a summary of today's news. President Obama is to attend

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a ceremony today in the Japanese city of Hiroshima to remember

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the 140,000 people who died when America dropped

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an atomic bomb there in 1945. President Obama is to attend

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a ceremony today in the Japanese city of Hiroshima to remember

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the 140,000 people who died when America dropped

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an atomic bomb there in 1945. He's the first US president

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to visit Hiroshima. Mr Obama has already made it clear

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he won't be making an apology Thousands of British holiday makers

:29:58.:30:00.

could see their travel plans disrupted this Bank Holiday weekend,

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because of widespread Protests over changes to employment

:30:05.:30:05.

laws have led to severe fuel shortages in the country,

:30:06.:30:09.

as hundreds of workers There have also been violent clashes

:30:10.:30:11.

between police and protesters. The leaders of the world's top seven

:30:12.:30:16.

economies have said that a vote by the UK to leave

:30:17.:30:21.

the European Union would pose In their final statement

:30:22.:30:24.

after a two-day summit in Japan, the G7 warns that leaving

:30:25.:30:28.

would reverse the trend of increased global trade,

:30:29.:30:30.

investment, and jobs. Vote Leave campaigners are accusing

:30:31.:30:31.

the government of breaching the spirit of its own rules by

:30:32.:30:34.

publishing analysis late last night. It suggested that millions

:30:35.:30:39.

of current and future pensioners would be worse off if Britain

:30:40.:30:41.

left the European Union. The publication says basic state

:30:42.:30:44.

pensions would be worth at least A British woman has died

:30:45.:30:46.

and a British man is missing after a speedboat capsized

:30:47.:30:56.

near Koh Samui in Thailand. The boat was carrying 32 passengers

:30:57.:30:58.

and four crew when it hit Two other tourists also died

:30:59.:31:02.

and a third Briton was injured. Rescuers freed one woman by cutting

:31:03.:31:08.

into the overturned hull. An American hiker who was

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lost on a remote part of the Appalachian Trail survived

:31:14.:31:16.

for 26 days before she died of starvation and exposure,

:31:17.:31:21.

newly-released papers show. Geraldine Largay, who went missing

:31:22.:31:23.

in 2013, tried to text her husband to call for help but the messages

:31:24.:31:27.

were never sent because The 66 year old left a final note

:31:28.:31:29.

asking whoever found her body to call her husband and daughter

:31:30.:31:33.

to let them know she had died. That's a summary of

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the latest BBC News. Good morning, and day

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should finally be the day. I say "should", you never

:31:41.:31:49.

know with Jose. But we do expect he will be

:31:50.:31:52.

confirmed as the new manager of Manchester United,

:31:53.:31:55.

replacing Louis van Gaal, Well Mourinho will inherit

:31:56.:31:56.

the talents of 18-year He's set to make his England

:31:57.:32:02.

debut this evening. They're taking on Australia

:32:03.:32:07.

at the Stadium of Light Boss Roy Hodgson says 'the whole

:32:08.:32:09.

of English football will be Eyes too on England's

:32:10.:32:14.

cricketers today, Chris Woakes He replaces the injured Ben Stokes

:32:15.:32:17.

for the Second Test against Captain Alastair Cook is aiming

:32:18.:32:23.

for his 10,000th Test run. Masters champion Danny Willett

:32:24.:32:30.

is keeping up his very He's one shot off the lead

:32:31.:32:32.

of Australian Scott Hend at the PGA Championship,

:32:33.:32:35.

after a 6-under par opening That's all of the sport for now. We

:32:36.:32:44.

will be back with you just after 10am to talk about Jose.

:32:45.:32:48.

Concern about drugs is high up the worry

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list for most parents, especially when children

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But it can be a hard subject to talk about,

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often because, as parents, we don't have all

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But with one in five 16-to-24-year-olds admitting

:32:59.:33:02.

to taking illegal drugs in the past year, it's clearly

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Let's talk now to Dr Owen Bowden-Jones,

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This is his first interview about his brand-new book,

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It's about how parents should talk to their kids about taking drugs.

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Also with us is Binder Bhardwaj who is a dad who thinks you should

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talk to your kids about things like drugs at a young age.

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And his son, 19-year-old Dhillan Bhardwaj, who is an entrepreneur.

:33:32.:33:39.

Polly Wilshaw, a recovering addict, and mum-of-two in Norwich.

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And Anne-Marie Cockburn, whose 15-year-old daughter Martha

:33:46.:33:47.

died from an ecstasy overdose in 2013.

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Thank you for joining us. Starting with you, Owen, it isn't an easy

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conversation, as any parent knows. Why did you decide to write the

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book? Not an easy conversation. I wrote the book because parents kept

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asking me the same questions. They said, I don't know about drugs, what

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do I do if I think my child is using drugs, how can I help them? So the

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book is an easy to read con site summary of the available best

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research evidence combined with my 20 odd years of clinical practice. I

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put a lot of clinical examples, case studies, through the book, to try

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and illustrate different points. Are you saying that the parent needs to

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be well armed with the information before embarking on the

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conversation? One of the anxieties that parents have is that they don't

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have enough information. The book tries to give them enough

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information, not to be a drugs expert, but to have enough

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information to have a credible conversation with their child. Give

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us the broad brush, the kind of drugs that kids are coming across

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and at what age? I advocate in the book to start talking to your child

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earlier than many people would think. Most children get some kind

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of education about drugs at year six, about the ages of ten, 11. I

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think that's a good time to start. I suggest people start talking to

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their children before they are exposed to drugs and people using

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drugs. There is a fear, as a parent of giving your children knowledge

:35:27.:35:29.

that they don't listen severally need and opening them up to

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something when you want them to be children. Absolutely, that's a

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reasonable anxiety. What I've done in the book is that I have given

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them examples, almost scripts of how to have the conversation so it's

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clearly not glamorising drugs. We also have to be realistic. There

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have never been more drugs in the drug market and there are now. Drugs

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have never been more available, the ability to buy them on the Internet

:35:57.:36:01.

is very new and concerning than there are now. People have heard

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about drugs, on the Internet and at school, so it's important for the

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parents to engage early and point their children in the direction of

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quality information because there is so much misinformation about drugs.

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Let's talk to Polly, a recovering addict. You've got two children,

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aged watcher and eight and you can give us your perspective on the drug

:36:28.:36:34.

conversation -- aged four. What are your thoughts? I totally agree with

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the doctor about his opinions and I think it's very fair. But I also

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agree that maybe year six is pushing it a bit too much. I think maybe

:36:50.:36:54.

start year four, year five. Drug addiction should be like six

:36:55.:37:07.

education. Education is key. It isn't losing their life or worrying

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them about anything, it is making them into adults that can understand

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and appreciate what's going on, especially with all of the legal

:37:20.:37:24.

highs these days. I think it's imperative to educate your children.

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Tell us a bit more about your experience because you started

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smoking cannabis at 14. Had you had conversations with your parents

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about drugs? Yes, with my mother and father. My father, I had three detox

:37:38.:37:46.

is in one year because of alcohol addiction and my father was very

:37:47.:37:52.

supportive -- detoxes. I didn't feel able to talk to my mum. My alcohol

:37:53.:37:56.

addiction started after my mother died. I'm sorry, when you were

:37:57.:38:03.

younger, talking to you about drugs before you got there. No, my mum

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smoked hash is a bit and I could smell it and I knew what she was

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doing and are used to steal it. I'm going to interrupt you, I'm sorry,

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we are going to come back. I just want to take us to Hiroshima because

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President Obama is there and he is about to lay a wreath at the

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Cenotaph. Forced the first sitting US president to

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visit Hiroshima. He will pay tribute to the 140,000 people killed in the

:38:44.:38:46.

bombing, seven decades ago. Moments of reflection and a

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handshake at the Cenotaph as President Obama lays a wreath. A

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very Simba lick moment, the first sitting US president to visit

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Hiroshima -- symbolic moment. It looks like he may be about to say

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something. Seven decades ago, on a bright,

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cloudless morning, death fell from the sky and the world was changed. A

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flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a City and demonstrated

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that mankind possess the means to destroy itself. Why do we come to

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this place, to Hiroshima? We come to ponder the terrible force unleashed

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in the not so distant past. We come to mourn the dead, including over

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100,000 Japanese men, women and children. Thousands of Koreans, a

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dozen Americans held prisoner. Their souls speak to us. They asked us to

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look inward, to take stock of who we are and what we might become. It is

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not the fact of war that sets Hiroshima apart. Artefacts tell us

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that violent conflict appeared with the very first men. Our early

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ancestors, having learned to make blades from Flint, Spears from wood,

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use these tools not just for hunting but against their own kind. On every

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continent, the history of civilisation is filled with war.

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Whether driven by scarcity of grain, hunger for gold, compelled by

:43:41.:43:47.

nationalist fervour or religious zeal. Empires have risen and fallen,

:43:48.:43:59.

peoples have been subjugated and liberated. And at each juncture,

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innocence have suffered. A countless toll, their names forgotten by time.

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The world war which reached its brutal end at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

:44:22.:44:30.

was fought amongst the wealthiest and most powerful nations. The

:44:31.:44:33.

civilisations had given the world great cities and magnificent art.

:44:34.:44:39.

Their thinkers had advanced ideas of justice and harmony and truth. And

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yet the wall grew out of the same base instinct for domination, for

:44:49.:44:55.

conquest, which had caused conflict between the simplest tries -- the

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war. A pattern amplified by new capabilities and without

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constraints. And the span of a few years, some 60 million people would

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die. Men, women, children.

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No different than us. Shot, beaten, marched, bombed, jailed, starved,

:45:34.:45:44.

gassed to death. There are many sites around the

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world that chronicle this wall. Memorials that tell stories of

:45:50.:45:53.

courage and heroism. Graves and empty camps that echo of

:45:54.:46:04.

unspeakable depravity. Yet, in the image of a mushroom

:46:05.:46:13.

cloud that rose into these skies, we are most starkly reminded of

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humanity's core contradiction. How the very spark that marks us as a

:46:20.:46:25.

species, our thoughts, our imagination, our language, our tool

:46:26.:46:29.

making, our ability to set ourselves apart from nature, and bend it to

:46:30.:46:37.

our will, those very things also give us the capacity for unmatched

:46:38.:46:43.

destruction. How often does material advancement

:46:44.:46:51.

or social innovation blind us to this truth?

:46:52.:46:58.

How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher

:46:59.:47:04.

cause? Every great religion promises a

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pathway to love and peace and righteousness, and yet no religion

:47:08.:47:11.

has been spared from believers who have claimed their faith is a

:47:12.:47:18.

licence to kill. Nations arrived telling a story that

:47:19.:47:22.

binds people together in sacrifice and cooperation, allowing for

:47:23.:47:27.

remarkable feats, but those same stories have so often been used to

:47:28.:47:33.

oppress, and dehumanise those who are different.

:47:34.:47:41.

Science allows us to communicate across the seas, and fly above the

:47:42.:47:48.

clouds, to cure disease, and understand the cosmos. But those

:47:49.:47:54.

same discoveries can be turned into ever more efficient killing

:47:55.:47:59.

machines. The walls of the modern age teach us

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this truth. -- wars. Hiroshima teaches at this truth. Technological

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progress without an equivalent progress in human institutions can

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doom us. The scientific revolution that led

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to the splitting of an atom requires a moral revolution as well.

:48:30.:48:40.

That is why we come to this place. We stand here, in the middle of this

:48:41.:48:48.

city, and force ourselves to imagine the moment the bomb fell.

:48:49.:48:56.

We force ourselves to feel the dread of children confused by what they

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see. We listen to a silent cry. We

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remember all the innocents killed across the arc of that terrible war

:49:11.:49:21.

and the wars that came before, and the wars that follow. Mere words

:49:22.:49:30.

cannot give voice to such suffering. But we have a shed this possibility

:49:31.:49:35.

to look directly into the eye of history, and ask what we must do

:49:36.:49:41.

differently to curb such suffering again.

:49:42.:49:54.

Some day, the voices will no longer be with us to bear witness.

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But the memory of the morning of August the 6th 1945 must never fade.

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That memory allows us to fight complacency. It fuels our moral

:50:12.:50:17.

imagination. It allows us to change. And since

:50:18.:50:27.

that fateful day, we have made choices that give us hope.

:50:28.:50:35.

The united states and Japan forged not only an alliance, but a

:50:36.:50:44.

friendship that has won far more for our people than we could ever claim

:50:45.:50:51.

through wars. The nations of Europe but a union that replaced

:50:52.:50:54.

battlefields with commerce and democracy. Oppressed peoples in

:50:55.:51:04.

nations one liberation. And international duty established

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institutions and treaties that worked to avoid war and aspired to

:51:07.:51:15.

restrict and roll back and ultimately eliminate the existence

:51:16.:51:25.

of nuclear weapons. Still, every act of aggression

:51:26.:51:30.

between nations, every act of terror and corruption and cruelty and

:51:31.:51:34.

oppression that we see around the world, shows our work is never done.

:51:35.:51:45.

We may not be able to eliminate man's capacity to do evil, so,

:51:46.:51:51.

nations and the alliances we have formed must possess the means to

:51:52.:51:57.

defend ourselves. But among those nations like my own that hold

:51:58.:52:03.

nuclear stockpiles, we must have the courage to escape the logic of fear,

:52:04.:52:12.

and pursue a world without them. We may not realise this goal in my

:52:13.:52:16.

lifetime. But persistent effort can roll back

:52:17.:52:24.

the possibility of catastrophe. We can chart a course that leads to the

:52:25.:52:29.

destruction of these stockpiles, we can stop the spread to new nations,

:52:30.:52:34.

and secure deadly materials from fanatics.

:52:35.:52:42.

And yet that is not enough. For, we see around the world today

:52:43.:52:49.

how even the crudest rifles and barrel bombs can serve up violence

:52:50.:52:55.

on a terrible scale. We must change our mind set about

:52:56.:53:02.

war itself. To prevent conflict through diplomacy. And strive to end

:53:03.:53:13.

conflicts after they have begun. To see our growing interdependence

:53:14.:53:18.

as a cause for peaceful cooperation and not violent competition.

:53:19.:53:22.

To define our nation is not by our capacity to destroy, but by what we

:53:23.:53:30.

have built. And perhaps above all we must

:53:31.:53:36.

reimagine our connection to one another as members of one human

:53:37.:53:44.

race. For this is what makes our species unique, we are not bound by

:53:45.:53:49.

genetic code to repeat the mistakes of the past. We can learn. We can

:53:50.:53:59.

choose. We can tell our children a different story. One that describes

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a common humanity. One that makes war less likely. And cruelty less

:54:10.:54:15.

easily accepted. We see these stories from the woman

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who forgive a pilot who flew the plane that dropped the atomic bomb

:54:26.:54:28.

because she realised what she really hated was war itself. The man who

:54:29.:54:36.

sought out to families of Americans killed here because he believed

:54:37.:54:48.

their loss was equal to his own. My own nation's story began with

:54:49.:54:56.

simple words. All men are created equal. And

:54:57.:55:05.

endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. Including life,

:55:06.:55:11.

liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

:55:12.:55:18.

Realising that ideal has never been easy.

:55:19.:55:21.

Even within our own borders, even among our own citizens, but staying

:55:22.:55:28.

true to that story is worth the effort.

:55:29.:55:35.

It is an ideal to be strived for. An ideal that extends across

:55:36.:55:42.

continents, and across oceans. The irreducible worth of every person.

:55:43.:55:49.

The insistence that every life is precious.

:55:50.:55:56.

The radical and necessary notion that we are part of a single human

:55:57.:56:05.

family that is the story that we must tell.

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That is why we come to Hiroshima. So that we might think of people we

:56:18.:56:23.

love, the first smile from our children in the morning, the gentle

:56:24.:56:31.

touch from a spouse over the kitchen table.

:56:32.:56:42.

The comforting embrace of a parent. We can think of those things and

:56:43.:56:46.

know that those same precious moments took place here, 71 years

:56:47.:56:55.

ago. Those who died, they are like us.

:56:56.:57:07.

Ordinary people understand this, I think.

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They do not want more war. They would rather that the wonders

:57:14.:57:21.

of science be focused on improving life, and not eliminating it.

:57:22.:57:30.

When the choice is made by nations, when the choices made by leaders

:57:31.:57:38.

reflect this simple wisdom, then the lesson of Hiroshima is done.

:57:39.:57:50.

The world was forever changed here. But, today, the children of this

:57:51.:57:57.

city will go through their day in peace.

:57:58.:58:04.

For the -- what a precious thing that is.

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It is worth protecting. And then extending to every child.

:58:12.:58:20.

That is a future we can choose. A future in which Hiroshima and

:58:21.:58:30.

Nagasaki are known not as the dawn of atomic warfare, but as the start

:58:31.:58:36.

of our moral awakening. STUDIO: President speaking, having

:58:37.:58:54.

laid a wreath at the Cenotaph in a Russian an eternal flame remembers

:58:55.:58:57.

the dead in Hiroshima. He said the world was forever

:58:58.:59:03.

changed because of what happened at Hiroshima.

:59:04.:59:07.

It demonstrated that mankind had the means to destroy itself. But he

:59:08.:59:12.

spoke of the legacy as being one of starting our own moral awakening.

:59:13.:59:20.

And he spoke of this. That is the first time a sitting US

:59:21.:59:24.

president has been to brush, is usually symbolic visit by the

:59:25.:59:28.

President. We will go back to our drugs

:59:29.:59:32.

conversation shortly, we interrupted it because of the events in

:59:33.:59:35.

Hiroshima. Do get in touch if you have thoughts

:59:36.:59:39.

about how to talk to your kids about drugs. If you have issues about

:59:40.:59:43.

that, if you have any advice for parents.

:59:44.:59:47.

We are talking to Doctor O Winberg and is who has written a book about

:59:48.:59:54.

the best way parents to speak to children about drugs. And about how

:59:55.:00:00.

we listen to our children about it. Stay with us, that is coming up.

:00:01.:00:03.

Let us catch up with the weather. Not a bad day but the raw showers in

:00:04.:00:13.

that mix, they are already there across southern counties.

:00:14.:00:22.

This is still producing a lot of m bash back producing a lot of murk.

:00:23.:00:33.

Hazy sunshine elsewhere and in the south, 22. North Sea facing coasts,

:00:34.:00:38.

some cloud later, 12, 13 degrees. Plenty of thunderstorms overnight,

:00:39.:00:43.

pushing across Wales and the south-west and more coming into the

:00:44.:00:47.

south-east. Saturday morning, this is the focus, southern and western

:00:48.:00:50.

parts of the British Isles, the heaviest showers. To the north and

:00:51.:00:56.

east, drier and finer. Eastern shores again on the colder side.

:00:57.:01:01.

Sunday, fewer heavy showers. A sprinkling of showers to the west

:01:02.:01:04.

and maybe some more wind to the east. As you can see, a lot of dry

:01:05.:01:11.

weather and still the bank, Dave. -- bank holiday.

:01:12.:01:15.

I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme

:01:16.:01:17.

President Obama lays a wreath at Hiroshima to honour the thousands

:01:18.:01:23.

killed when the US dropped the world's first atomic bomb.

:01:24.:01:31.

On a bright, cloudless morning, death fell from the sky and the

:01:32.:01:39.

world was changed. France is suffering severe fuel

:01:40.:01:40.

shortages as strikes Bank holiday and half term

:01:41.:01:45.

travellers face disruption. I do not know what to do and I blame

:01:46.:01:53.

you lot entirely for that. 150 young voters asked tough

:01:54.:02:00.

questions about the EU referendum in the first of our special

:02:01.:02:02.

debates. Did the answers sway any undecided

:02:03.:02:14.

voters? And we want to know what you think.

:02:15.:02:16.

Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:17.:02:22.

President Obama has laid a wreath at a ceremony in the Japanese city

:02:23.:02:26.

of Hiroshima to remember the 140,000 people who died when America dropped

:02:27.:02:30.

He's the first sitting US President to visit Hiroshima.

:02:31.:02:38.

Mr Obama hasn't made an apology for what happened but he said he hoped

:02:39.:02:43.

for a world that was one day without nuclear weapons.

:02:44.:02:46.

Manchester United have confirmed that Jose Mourinho will be

:02:47.:02:48.

The former Chelsea and Real Madrid boss has signed a three-year deal

:02:49.:02:53.

that has an option to stay until at least 2020.

:02:54.:02:56.

In a statement, Mourinho said it was a special honour

:02:57.:02:58.

to become United's manager, saying he has always felt

:02:59.:03:00.

Thousands of British holiday makers could see their travel plans

:03:01.:03:08.

disrupted this Bank Holiday weekend, because of widespread

:03:09.:03:09.

Protests over changes to employment laws have led to severe fuel

:03:10.:03:17.

shortages in the country, as hundreds of workers

:03:18.:03:19.

There have also been violent clashes between police and protestors.

:03:20.:03:27.

The leaders of the world's top economies say economic growth around

:03:28.:03:29.

the world would be seriously threatened if the UK leaves the EU.

:03:30.:03:32.

In their final statement after a two-day summit in Japan,

:03:33.:03:35.

the G7 says an exit vote would reverse the trend

:03:36.:03:37.

of increased global trade, investment and jobs.

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Let's go back to our conversation about how you can approach talking

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to children about drugs. Let's talk now to Dr

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Owen Bowden-Jones, This is his first interview

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about his brand-new book, We started the conversation before

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we went to President Obama in Hiroshima. Tell us first of all,

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Owen, because many parents will be watching, contemplating the need to

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have this conversation and find it difficult. How do you talk to your

:04:24.:04:27.

kids about something like drugs in a way that will get them to listen?

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Anyway, that's why I wrote but because so many people asked me the

:04:35.:04:42.

question -- in a way. Parents wanted conversations on -- tips on how to

:04:43.:04:45.

have the conversation and avoiding it being a lecture and going wrong.

:04:46.:04:51.

I have given almost a script of a conversation that goes the way you

:04:52.:04:55.

want it and one that doesn't. So avoiding the lecture. Every parent

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will have run into that on whatever subject with a child, how do you do

:04:59.:05:05.

that? The point of the conversation is firstly to make your child

:05:06.:05:09.

understand that this is not a taboo subject, it is one you are happy to

:05:10.:05:14.

talk about and that is important. The second point is that when you

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have opened the conversation, it is much more likely that if your child

:05:19.:05:21.

has problems in the future, they will come back to you and ask for

:05:22.:05:26.

your advice. The third point of the conversation is to give information.

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There is so much misinformation around drugs. The conversation is an

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opportunity to sign post your child to the best possible information,

:05:36.:05:39.

which they may not know is out there. So you need to be well

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informed? Absolutely, the book gives lots of links and advice about the

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sorts of places where your child can get that information. Less talk to

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the father and son, Binder and Dhillan because you have a good

:05:59.:06:01.

relationship in how you talk about these issues. That's right, I

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learned from my parents, the old-fashioned way and I have brought

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it into the new generation, social media and the Internet, where we

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embrace it, we have family time and we talk about it that way. If he

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were to say that drugs is bad, drugs is bad and there is no more

:06:27.:06:30.

information about it. So if someone took that approach it would make you

:06:31.:06:42.

climb up? -- would make you clam up. We talk to each other like friends,

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we don't really need orders. We try and police it in a friendly way.

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Dhillan has many social media followers and I am one of them which

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means I can follow his conversations and that is something that parents

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need to do, they need to embrace social media. It's a really big

:07:13.:07:22.

platform. I want to bring in Hania, you are 19, do you have open

:07:23.:07:28.

conversations about it? Not merely. Why not? It is a bit awkward,

:07:29.:07:32.

sitting down and basically asking, are you on drugs? It is different

:07:33.:07:37.

cultures as well, some cultures are more open and less open about drugs.

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Have you had any conversation about it? Not really. Do you feel you

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would like to. I wouldn't mind, sitting down and talking about the

:07:49.:07:51.

dangers. If you don't talk to your parents about it, where do you get

:07:52.:07:55.

guidance about something like that? From your friends. Do you feel that

:07:56.:08:03.

you've been able to find your own way through it, then? Yes back. We

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also joined in the studio by Mamta, and you have kids. They are very

:08:15.:08:20.

young. They are but as parents I feel we need an open dialogue and

:08:21.:08:23.

environment where you can have conversations with each other about

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what's important, how to deal with pressure. If someone is influencing

:08:31.:08:34.

you, how to deal with that. With my four yo, we are role-playing what

:08:35.:08:40.

you would do at nursery if you are pressured into something you don't

:08:41.:08:44.

want to do. Those conversations are very useful because my four-year-old

:08:45.:08:49.

is completely clueless, obviously, how to manage herself and the

:08:50.:08:53.

assertive in that context and that's where it needs to start. We need to

:08:54.:08:56.

start early with embedding really good behaviour and confidence and

:08:57.:09:01.

assertiveness in your children to know what's right and what's wrong

:09:02.:09:06.

and how to hold themselves when they are in a situation with the unknown

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and how to manage it. Let's bring in Polly, you were nodding, you are a

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recovering addict... Have we lost Polly? Unfortunately she has done.

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Alongside Polly, we could see Anne-Marie Cockburn. You really have

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a very devastating story in that your daughter, Martha, died when she

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was just 15 after taking ecstasy a couple of years ago. Tell us your

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experience. A few months before she died, she admitted that she had

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taken ecstasy and I was horrified. I shouted at her, I closed down the

:09:49.:09:53.

conversation. She was trying to be honest. I didn't know where to look

:09:54.:09:58.

for information and I wish that the book had existed then. Such a human

:09:59.:10:04.

reaction, that any parent will completely understand, when

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something terrifies you about your children and what they might be

:10:09.:10:14.

doing, you want to shut it down. And obviously hearing you talk, you have

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reflected a lock on that since. What are your thoughts now on how the

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conversations might be handled? -- a lock. After she died I found that

:10:25.:10:29.

she had been looking online for ways of doing it safely -- a lot. Luke

:10:30.:10:37.

that devastates me -- that devastates the because she wanted to

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get high safely. We need to get rid of the stigma and get the

:10:45.:10:47.

conversation on the table. It needs to be part of the school curriculum

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as well because for some children, just saying no won't work and my

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story highlights that. They need good access to good information and

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parents need that as well. What do you say to that, owing, the just

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saying no not always working? I think it's a complicated message to

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a child who is thinking of taking a drug. On the one hand, there is no

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safe way to take a drug. Any drug use comes with a risk. But on the

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other hand we have to be pragmatic. One in four 15-year-olds say they

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have taken an illicit drug at some point and one in five say they have

:11:34.:11:37.

done it in the last 12 months. There are plenty of people out there who

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are trying drugs. If you ask me what I should say to a child who is

:11:44.:11:48.

thinking of taking a drug, then the advice is not to, clearly, but if

:11:49.:11:51.

someone is determined to take a drug, then clearly we have to say

:11:52.:11:55.

that the most important thing is that they must have the information.

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How do you have the conversation because if you say, it isn't right

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to take anything, why would a child necessarily talk to you if they

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think that they might? That's about it being a dialogue and not a

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lecture. For the drug conversation to work, it has to be an open

:12:20.:12:24.

conversation. As we were hearing, it's about how you relate as a

:12:25.:12:29.

parent to your child and open the communication channels. I think we

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can't underestimate the impact of listening to your children and

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having resilience as a parent, being resilient enough to hear the

:12:38.:12:42.

difficult messages and not shut the conversation down. It can provide

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such insight. Even with my four-year-old, she is at nursery but

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the insight into the dynamics of that environment and who is the

:12:55.:12:57.

strongest person in the room and how are they treating her and dealing

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with her? It is no major issue but when you open a dialogue and start

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to understand the psychology of your child you can influence them and

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embed the values you need them to have when they grow up. Time goes by

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and they are being exposed to these things in the playground. That takes

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a bit of personal training, doesn't it, not to react with shock?

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Absolutely, and judgment. It helps that I'm a psychologist. I have

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known the impact of discussions being closed down and also the

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opportunity that is presented when you have an open dialogue and the

:13:33.:13:35.

sense of resilience and not being judgmental as a parent. It is

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difficult because as a parent you don't want to expose your child to

:13:41.:13:43.

any danger. So you shut it down because you would rather not hear

:13:44.:13:49.

about it but parents need to be more open and trust that they can

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influence and continue to speak with their child and create an

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environment of openness. I think Anne Marie wanted to come back in?

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I'm sorry, I was having an echo in my ear that they were trying to sort

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out. One reason that parents shut down the conversation is that they

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are worried they don't have the right information. The drug market

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has changed so much since they were young, they don't have the right

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information to talk to their child. What if the parent has taken

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something when they are younger and they are fearing what their child

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will do? It is inevitable that if you have the conversation with the

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child they are going to ask you if you use them yourself. The response,

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if you have used the drug, depends a little bit on the H. If you have a

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conversation with a child who is ten, 11, 12, it may confuse them if

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you tell them about drugs and then when you say you have used them

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yourself -- depends on the age. But when you're 15, 16 it may break down

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the stigma, you say that you tried them but decided they were not for

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you. Polly, we have got you back and you are in the situation of having

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taken drugs and now you have children, how do you see this? I

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think 15, 16 is too old to contemplate having a discussion

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about drugs. It needs to be addressed a lot earlier and it

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should be part of school education, like six education. The sad thing is

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that you have alcohol, which is one of the main killers, which is

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taxable, and people can readily get it. I think they need to know the

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withdrawal symptoms. They need to be educated early enough. And how old

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are your children? They are four and eight. When would you start talking

:15:56.:15:58.

to them and how open would you be about your experiences. I am open

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with my nine-year-old. He has quite a good understanding of, you know,

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addiction and the cycle of addiction. Poppy, I would probably

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wait, he is in year five and that's probably a good time. They start to

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have assemblies in year six and year five is a good age to start tackling

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that. Was anybody open with you when you were growing up, before you took

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anything? You had smoked cannabis at 14. Had you ever had any

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conversation before that? No. Do you wish you had? Of course. The more

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open you are with your children, I mean, the child, if you take

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something away from the child, they are going to be inquisitive about

:16:49.:16:49.

it. It is like taking the Xbox away as

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punishment. They get it back, they are inquisitive and want it more.

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You are saying you haven't had conversations at home about drugs.

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Peer pressure, tell us what that is like now? A lot changes from one

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generation to the next, but a lot doesn't.

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Peer pressure is one of the key factors of teenagers trying drugs.

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You go to a party, everyone is taking it.

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Literally. You will be left out.

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How do you navigate that? You just say no, you don't have too

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follow the crowd. When I was in school, I was more

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interested in getting second in the dinner Du! People aren't afraid to

:17:44.:17:48.

say no. It depends how confident you are.

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How do people react if they feel you are preaching.

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Do you walk away? I would walk away and get over it.

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It comes down to parenting again, to give your kids that bit of strength

:18:09.:18:12.

to say no, to be different, not to follow the crowd. Where I got my own

:18:13.:18:24.

confidence and to inspire kids to do their own instead being surrounded

:18:25.:18:29.

by so many strong people who forced you to do things you don't want to

:18:30.:18:33.

do. The best gift a parent can give

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their children is confidence, and a good set of values. When parents

:18:39.:18:43.

aren't around, and there is peer pressure, they ultimately have their

:18:44.:18:46.

compass and know right from wrong, it even without having the

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conversations, but you know it is not the right thing to do. That

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comes from your culture and foundation.

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Culturally, I can relate to you. Speaking to your parents about

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drugs, it is awkward. Again, in the century we are in now,

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parents need to develop that sort of relationship with their kids.

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I would like to think we are like friends rather than father and son.

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A final word from you. We have had lots of interesting insights. You

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wrote this book to make it easier for parents to have these

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conversations. My advice to parents is start early.

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Make it a conversation, not a lecture. Even if you have had that

:19:33.:19:39.

concession once, you have opened the door, it is no longer a taboo

:19:40.:19:43.

subject and your child knows if they are having problems they can ask you

:19:44.:19:46.

for help. I would like to say thanks you very

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much, it is really insightful. A lot of parents wouldn't understand or

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no. I look forward to reading your book, thank you very much.

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Thank you all for joining us. Let us know your thoughts on that and

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everything else we are talking about this morning.

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We are talking about the EU referendum. We have had one tweet, I

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was in the audience last night, I wouldn't this fight if more people

:20:19.:20:21.

were undecided. Derek said, top-class programme last

:20:22.:20:25.

night. We will be talking to a panel of

:20:26.:20:27.

undecided voters. Should the UK remain a member

:20:28.:20:31.

of the European Union Will I have a job if we

:20:32.:20:33.

leave the EU, will be You stand a far better chance

:20:34.:20:43.

of a good job where you are not competing with potentially thousands

:20:44.:20:49.

of other Europeans, if we actually leave

:20:50.:20:50.

the European Union. The straight answer,

:20:51.:20:53.

it would not be an economic But there are more jobs

:20:54.:20:55.

and chances if we stay. Me and my mum lives

:20:56.:20:58.

in a council house. My mum is disabled and need

:20:59.:21:00.

a bungalow but there The more we let in, the less houses

:21:01.:21:03.

we will have to house them, Remember how many immigrants

:21:04.:21:11.

like family and many in the audience We get ?350 million

:21:12.:21:19.

a week to the EU. We don't give ?350 million a week

:21:20.:21:29.

to the EU. If you look at how much we give

:21:30.:21:34.

to the EU, how much we get back and we do get some back,

:21:35.:21:37.

there is a net difference The Leave campaign will throw out

:21:38.:21:40.

a figure that you will rubbish. I do not have an issue

:21:41.:21:47.

with admitting I have no idea, What will we lose and gain

:21:48.:21:52.

in terms of international relations and travel,

:21:53.:21:56.

if we leave? I don't think you need

:21:57.:21:59.

to lose anything. People go and study and travel

:22:00.:22:02.

and have holidays elsewhere. My dad was taught French and Spanish

:22:03.:22:13.

and long before the EU we holidayed People did continue to go and study

:22:14.:22:16.

in other countries. Because it is in the

:22:17.:22:21.

interests of both parties. We can go anywhere within the EU,

:22:22.:22:29.

it is a two-way process. No other country has more

:22:30.:22:32.

of its citizens living and working in other developed countries

:22:33.:22:34.

than Great Britain. If we are not to have visas to go

:22:35.:22:43.

on holiday or for people to come here, there are 2.5 million tourists

:22:44.:22:47.

who come to Scotland every year. How are you going to differentiate

:22:48.:22:50.

between the Polish plumber Are you saying if Britain

:22:51.:22:52.

votes to leave, there You can get up and go anywhere

:22:53.:22:56.

in Europe. You can come with me, we can

:22:57.:23:06.

go together. I want to ask, what do you think

:23:07.:23:09.

of the Leave campaign? The Leave campaign have been

:23:10.:23:22.

scaremongering. Your own side have been

:23:23.:23:26.

appalling, in what way have Some of the noise we have

:23:27.:23:28.

heard about immigration, I think we will be

:23:29.:23:35.

better if we leave. The Remain campaign should be

:23:36.:23:43.

talking about Apathy is always the biggest winner

:23:44.:23:45.

in any UK election. I can see the same

:23:46.:23:55.

thing happening again. If you have made a decision,

:23:56.:24:01.

please do put your hand up now. Wow, that is about half

:24:02.:24:07.

of you, I would say. undecided if they had

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been swayed in or out, Let's talk to Francesca Keig

:24:10.:24:23.

who's in the studio. And Elle Leslie and Kayode Damali

:24:24.:24:29.

who join us from Glasgow and are part of BBC

:24:30.:24:32.

Referendum Generation. In Cardiff are Pauline Thomas,

:24:33.:24:38.

and Jarel Robinson-Brown. Thank you for joining us. You will

:24:39.:24:49.

all undecided yesterday, any of you decided today, raise your hand if

:24:50.:24:54.

you have made up your mind. I am more decided. Your hand went

:24:55.:24:59.

right up, the only one fully up. Tell us which way you are leaning?

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Leaning strongly on remaining, really. I was quite disappointed by

:25:08.:25:11.

the scaremongering that went on, and other things, which I expected, but

:25:12.:25:16.

I thought it was so extreme yesterday.

:25:17.:25:19.

What was it that made up your mind? Listening to things said, I am quite

:25:20.:25:25.

conscious of the fact of climate change. We can only do that, combat

:25:26.:25:32.

that together. It sounds weird, but I was impacted by what was going on

:25:33.:25:39.

in America, and thinking about developments there, and in the world

:25:40.:25:45.

which is so fragmented, unity is crucial.

:25:46.:25:46.

Francesca, you half put your hand up.

:25:47.:25:53.

60% undecided? I am getting closer. A huge influence on me from last

:25:54.:25:58.

night was the audience. This sounds really bad, that made the biggest

:25:59.:26:02.

impact on me. I am sure this isn't the case, but

:26:03.:26:12.

the Leave audience came across as ignorant.

:26:13.:26:15.

Why do you say that? Because of some of the comments that were made,

:26:16.:26:22.

referring to foreigners as them. And the implications, implying they were

:26:23.:26:25.

stealing our houses and jobs. I don't think that is particularly

:26:26.:26:29.

accurate. Everyone is nodding. You are in the

:26:30.:26:32.

audience, what is your perspective on the debate and where you stand

:26:33.:26:37.

now? It was really interesting. A lot of

:26:38.:26:40.

it was petty with insults thrown around. Especially from the Leave

:26:41.:26:46.

campaign. A lot of the audience were intense, and taken aback by how good

:26:47.:26:52.

the remain campaign as well. Alex Salmon is an excellent speaker.

:26:53.:26:56.

People did not expect such a strong argument from the opposing side.

:26:57.:27:00.

You still haven't decided? I am a lot more informed now.

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What will it take you to make up your mind?

:27:05.:27:08.

There are a lot of things, not enough facts, I say that over and

:27:09.:27:11.

again. In the debate there were statistics

:27:12.:27:15.

about how much we give to the EU, how much we take out. Everyone was

:27:16.:27:21.

saying different numbers. We need real statistics everyone can agree

:27:22.:27:23.

on. What will it take you to make up

:27:24.:27:26.

your mind? I have always been a fan of the

:27:27.:27:31.

facts. It is difficult to decide when you are not sure what the facts

:27:32.:27:33.

are. Last night, one person on the Leave

:27:34.:27:43.

campaign said we give 350 mg a week. That was counteracted by someone.

:27:44.:27:47.

Who do we believe? The facts haven't been laid out clearly.

:27:48.:27:52.

What about your gut on this? Other than telling me I'm hungry, my

:27:53.:27:59.

gut feeling, I am bang on the fence. Until I see clear facts, it is hard

:28:00.:28:03.

to make a decision based on opinions.

:28:04.:28:08.

Pauline, your perspective? From last night, all I saw was immigration are

:28:09.:28:14.

taking out jobs, taking our houses. That is complete nonsense. Those

:28:15.:28:23.

thousands and thousands of jobs, if they were taking them, there would

:28:24.:28:27.

be no jobs to have. And with housing, if they were taking our

:28:28.:28:32.

housing, there would be no empty properties in this country, and

:28:33.:28:34.

there are thousands upon thousands of empty properties.

:28:35.:28:40.

Jarel, you have said how you will vote. The rest of you haven't. Will

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you vote? Yes, I will vote. When you make up

:28:45.:28:54.

your minds, what will it take, Francesca?

:28:55.:28:58.

Walking into the polling station. Will you leave it that late?

:28:59.:29:03.

Ii properly won't. I am leaning towards remaining. It is up in the

:29:04.:29:11.

air. It is just as a backlash from last night that I am going to

:29:12.:29:16.

remain. But I will change back to lead tomorrow, or what ever.

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What about you, when will you decide?

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I am completely undecided. I keep hearing things from different sides,

:29:25.:29:29.

that is interesting, that is interesting as well.

:29:30.:29:33.

Probably not until a couple of days before.

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Is it a conversation you are having with everyone around you, our people

:29:37.:29:41.

engaged? In Glasgow, the Scottish

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independence referendum felt like it was something everybody in Scotland

:29:45.:29:48.

had a well-informed view on, and it was the only subject of discussion

:29:49.:29:52.

at the time, it felt. Very true, a lot of young people

:29:53.:29:58.

were engaged, that was excellent, I enjoyed that.

:29:59.:30:00.

People aren't as engaged with this one, people are fed up with

:30:01.:30:05.

politicians. My friends are interested. But a lot

:30:06.:30:11.

of young people are more disengaged with this EU referendum than the

:30:12.:30:15.

independence one. Thank you very much. Stay in touch,

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we will see if you make up your mind before you enter the polling booth.

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Have you decided how you're going to vote

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Well, you are very welcome to take part in one of our big TV audience

:30:24.:30:28.

On the 6th June, we're in Manchester, just over a fortnight

:30:29.:30:32.

It's open to everyone, and will take place in our normal

:30:33.:30:36.

If you want to take part, and can get to Manchester

:30:37.:30:39.

from wherever you are in the UK, do email [email protected],

:30:40.:30:42.

to have your chance to quiz senior politicians from the Leave

:30:43.:30:44.

Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:30:45.:30:56.

President Obama has laid a wreath at a ceremony in the Japanese city

:30:57.:31:00.

of Hiroshima to remember the 140,000 people who died when America dropped

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He's the first sitting US president to visit Hiroshima.

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Mr Obama hasn't made an apology for what happened but he said

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he hoped for a world that was one day without

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Among those nations like my own that hold stockpiles, we must have the

:31:16.:31:31.

courage to escape the logic of fear and pursue a world without them. We

:31:32.:31:39.

may not realise this goal in my lifetime. But persistent effort can

:31:40.:31:44.

roll back the possibility of catastrophe.

:31:45.:31:47.

Manchester United have confirmed that Jose Mourinho will be

:31:48.:31:49.

The former Chelsea and Real Madrid boss has signed a three-year deal

:31:50.:31:55.

that has an option to stay until at least 2020.

:31:56.:31:58.

In a statement, Mourinho said it was a special honour

:31:59.:32:00.

to become United's manager, saying he has always felt

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We will have more reaction in sport in a moment.

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Thousands of British holiday makers could see their travel plans

:32:11.:32:12.

disrupted this Bank Holiday weekend, because of widespread

:32:13.:32:17.

Protests over changes to employment laws have led to severe fuel

:32:18.:32:25.

shortages in the country, as hundreds of workers

:32:26.:32:27.

There have also been violent clashes between police and protestors.

:32:28.:32:31.

An American hiker who was lost on a remote part

:32:32.:32:33.

of the Appalachian Trail survived for 26 days before she died

:32:34.:32:36.

of starvation and exposure, newly-released papers show.

:32:37.:32:38.

Geraldine Largay, who went missing in 2013, tried to text her husband

:32:39.:32:41.

to call for help but the messages were never sent because

:32:42.:32:44.

The 66 year old left a final note asking whoever found her body

:32:45.:32:51.

to call her husband and daughter to let them know she had died.

:32:52.:33:01.

After several days of waiting, Jose Mourinho has been officially

:33:02.:33:11.

unveiled as the manager of Manchester United.

:33:12.:33:18.

Yes, what we have all been waiting for this week but some may say it's

:33:19.:33:22.

The confirmation is finally here, Jose Mourinho is the new manager

:33:23.:33:26.

and joins our Sports News Reporter David Ornstein.

:33:27.:33:33.

It is a massive appointment and it will draw attention from around the

:33:34.:33:37.

world, what have the club had to say about it? It has been the worst kept

:33:38.:33:42.

secret in football, hasn't it? They have been in talks all week, they

:33:43.:33:46.

were wrapped up yesterday in London and confirmation has come, Jose

:33:47.:33:50.

Mourinho has signed a three-year contract but with the option of

:33:51.:33:54.

another year to take him to 2020. The executive vice-chairman Ed

:33:55.:33:57.

Woodward said that Jose Cotto is the best manager in the game today and

:33:58.:34:04.

he has won trophies across Europe and he knows the Premier League very

:34:05.:34:08.

well, having won three titles here, at Chelsea -- Jose is the best

:34:09.:34:14.

manager. "I Would like to welcome him to Manchester United. His track

:34:15.:34:18.

record of success is ideal to take the club forward. " As for Mourinho,

:34:19.:34:23.

he says "To become the manager of Manchester United is a special

:34:24.:34:26.

honour, the club is known and admired through the world. There is

:34:27.:34:31.

a mystique and romance about it which no other club can match. I've

:34:32.:34:36.

always felt an affinity to Trafford. It has hosted some important

:34:37.:34:39.

memories for me in my career and I've always enjoyed a rapport with

:34:40.:34:43.

the Manchester United fans. I'm looking forward to being their

:34:44.:34:46.

manager and enjoying their magnificent support for many years."

:34:47.:34:52.

Those fans will be expecting a lot, the three-year plan under Louis van

:34:53.:34:56.

Gaal is out of the window. What will the club be hoping to achieve under

:34:57.:35:02.

Jose? Van Gaal was sacked on Monday despite leading to Manchester United

:35:03.:35:08.

's Mac FA Cup success on Monday, their first success in several

:35:09.:35:12.

years. He was criticised for the style of play but he brought through

:35:13.:35:15.

some young players which will be a focus for the fans and the media on

:35:16.:35:18.

Jose Mourinho, his behaviour, style of play and his commitment to youth.

:35:19.:35:24.

Let's look at what's coming up for him. He will be at the dugout a week

:35:25.:35:30.

on Sunday, the 5th of June, taking charge of an England 11 against a

:35:31.:35:34.

rest of the world 11 in a charity match. He has the Eva Carneiro

:35:35.:35:43.

tribunal, a messy situation harking back to his Chelsea days. And a

:35:44.:35:50.

mouthwatering clash in Beijing against Manchester City and their

:35:51.:35:53.

new manager, Pep Guardiola come on the 25th of July. Leicester City

:35:54.:35:58.

await, Claudio Ranieri against Mourinho, on the 7th of August at

:35:59.:36:02.

Wembley and on the 13th of August, the Premier League season starts

:36:03.:36:06.

with Jose Mourinho as the Manchester United manager. Thanks, should be a

:36:07.:36:09.

very interesting start. So in Mourinho, United now have

:36:10.:36:11.

one of the world's most Our Sports Editor Dan Roan

:36:12.:36:13.

looks at the magnitude United at last, one football's

:36:14.:36:26.

biggest clubs has one of the game's biggest coaches, both desperately

:36:27.:36:29.

hoping it's the start of something special. Jose Mourinho is the

:36:30.:36:34.

manager with the Midas touch and the ego to match. I think I'm the

:36:35.:36:39.

special one. Few would argue, he has won league titles in four different

:36:40.:36:42.

countries, the Champions League twice and a lot more besides. He

:36:43.:36:47.

first made his mark on Manchester United in 2004 when his Porto team

:36:48.:36:52.

memorably knocked Alex Ferguson's out of the Champions League. They

:36:53.:36:57.

shared a mutual respect, Renee never hid his ambition to take over at Old

:36:58.:37:00.

Trafford one day and now he has his wish -- Mourinho. He's a great

:37:01.:37:05.

manager, he the Premier League really well and I think he will be a

:37:06.:37:10.

fantastic signing for Manchester United to improve and be better than

:37:11.:37:18.

than the last two years. But his management comes with consequences

:37:19.:37:21.

and controversy, by the time he was dismissed from Chelsea for the

:37:22.:37:23.

second time it seemed he had fallen out with everybody. Struggling

:37:24.:37:27.

United were prepared to gamble, courting Mourinho four months when

:37:28.:37:30.

it became apparent that Louis van Gaal wouldn't meet expectations. He

:37:31.:37:35.

was sacked last weekend despite winning the FA Cup. Nurturing

:37:36.:37:39.

youngsters like Marcus Rashford is something that Mourinho has never

:37:40.:37:42.

really excelled at and some will worry about his pragmatic style of

:37:43.:37:47.

football but ultimately United have put winning about any worries they

:37:48.:37:50.

may have had. They paid a lot of money for him, there will be a few

:37:51.:37:55.

big players and he will need to improve the squad because the

:37:56.:37:58.

players who are there, there is a lot of ability but they have lost

:37:59.:38:01.

confidence and hopefully he can instil some of that. Mourinho's

:38:02.:38:06.

arrival sees the resumption of one of football's great Wevill rez, he

:38:07.:38:09.

and Pep Guardiola simmered as opposing managers at Real Madrid and

:38:10.:38:15.

Barcelona and now they are in charge of Manchester United and Manchester

:38:16.:38:18.

City, both chasing the same price -- rivalries. After several days of

:38:19.:38:23.

negotiations held up confirmation of the appointment, this afternoon

:38:24.:38:27.

Mourinho left his London home to complete one of football's worst

:38:28.:38:30.

kept secrets. His task at Old Trafford is to succeed where others

:38:31.:38:34.

have failed and return the club to former glories.

:38:35.:38:41.

So there you have it, just to recap, Jose Mourinho has been

:38:42.:38:43.

confirmed as the new manager of Manchester United.

:38:44.:38:45.

It's a three-year deal with the option of another.

:38:46.:38:48.

We will see if he can extend his great record at Old Trafford.

:38:49.:38:52.

Before I go, Nicola Adams, from Great Britain, has won her first

:38:53.:38:58.

world title at the world boxing Championships in Kazakhstan.

:38:59.:39:01.

Good to hear that, thank you. 6th August 1945, the day the US

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dropped the world's first atomic bomb on the Japanese city

:39:04.:39:07.

of Hiroshima, killing thousands By the end of that year at least

:39:08.:39:09.

140,000 had died as a Three days after the first attack,

:39:10.:39:15.

a second nuclear bomb Today Barack Obama

:39:16.:39:20.

is visiting Hiroshima, the first sitting US president to do

:39:21.:39:28.

so, and in the past hour has paid Here's a look back at the events

:39:29.:39:32.

of August 1945 and the The sight that greeted our eyes was

:39:33.:39:36.

quite beyond what we had expected. We saw this cloud of boiling dust

:39:37.:40:04.

and debris below us with this Beneath that was hidden the ruins

:40:05.:40:08.

of the city of Hiroshima. TRANSLATION: With President Obama's

:40:09.:40:53.

visit to Hiroshima and him planning to touch upon the reality

:40:54.:40:56.

of the effects of the atomic bombing, I believe this will add

:40:57.:40:58.

great strength to getting closer The President intends

:40:59.:41:01.

to visit to send a much more forward-looking signal

:41:02.:41:09.

about his ambition for realising the goal of a planet

:41:10.:41:14.

without nuclear weapons. President Obama laid a wreath

:41:15.:41:22.

in the city of Hiroshima this morning and honoured the thousands

:41:23.:41:25.

that died, but stopped short We stand here in the middle of this

:41:26.:41:40.

City and force ourselves to imagine the moment the bomb fell. We force

:41:41.:41:50.

ourselves to feel the dread of the children confused by what they see.

:41:51.:42:01.

We listen to a silent cry. We remember all of the innocent people

:42:02.:42:07.

killed across the art of that terrible war and the wars that came

:42:08.:42:16.

before and those that would follow. Mere words cannot give voice to such

:42:17.:42:25.

suffering, but we have a shared responsibility to look directly into

:42:26.:42:30.

the eye of history and ask what we must do differently to curb such

:42:31.:42:33.

suffering again. Keni Sabath is the granddaughter

:42:34.:42:38.

of a survivor of the bombing. Her grandmother, Tomiko Shoji,

:42:39.:42:43.

was 18 when the tobacco factory she was working in was hit

:42:44.:42:46.

by the atomic blast. Thank you for joining us. President

:42:47.:42:54.

Obama saying that words cannot give voice to the suffering endured after

:42:55.:43:02.

Hiroshima. Tell us more about your grandmother and what happened to her

:43:03.:43:06.

and the impact it had on her and subsequently the generations that

:43:07.:43:10.

have followed. Thank you for having me. My grandmother was in the

:43:11.:43:17.

tobacco victory, it was at and immediately a large door fell on

:43:18.:43:20.

her, which protected her from sustaining more serious injuries --

:43:21.:43:25.

Tobacco factory. When she emerged she had glass shards stuck in her

:43:26.:43:32.

skin. She tried to go to the bomb shelter, that was the immediately at

:43:33.:43:35.

Wii action when she regained consciousness but it was smoky and

:43:36.:43:40.

she describes the surrounding seen as a living hell, really, scorched

:43:41.:43:49.

corpses around her. She tried to find her sister, trying to walk

:43:50.:43:53.

around the City, trying to help people who were in even worse shape.

:43:54.:43:58.

One of the striking images she described to me when I was young and

:43:59.:44:02.

I first visited Hiroshima peace Park and saw the river is that these

:44:03.:44:06.

balls were floating on the River that ended up being scorched heads

:44:07.:44:13.

of humans, she said that the river became a blood River. After

:44:14.:44:20.

experiencing that for several weeks, she eventually found her sister who

:44:21.:44:24.

was not in the City at the time. She started receiving treatment. One of

:44:25.:44:31.

the first things that impacted her, though, was Reverend Sensie who

:44:32.:44:39.

introduced her to Christianity and that became a sustaining force in

:44:40.:44:46.

her life in terms of reconciliation and giving her life meaning, which

:44:47.:44:55.

for her is to share her story. She moved to Taiwan's and met my grandpa

:44:56.:45:07.

and had four daughters, including my mum, who was the youngest. However,

:45:08.:45:11.

due to the radiation poisoning she continued to get more ill, her hair

:45:12.:45:17.

was falling out, her teeth started falling out and by the time she was

:45:18.:45:24.

40 she had dentures. And of course, psychological trauma, Poster Matic

:45:25.:45:29.

stress disorder. It came to the point where she made the hard

:45:30.:45:33.

decision to leave Taiwan's and my mum and my aunts -- post-traumatic

:45:34.:45:39.

stress. She went to Japan to receive medical treatment. As far as my

:45:40.:45:45.

family goes, it divided the family and caused my mum and my aunts to

:45:46.:45:52.

participate in the side-effects of the atomic bombing as they impacted

:45:53.:45:58.

her mother. And ultimately lead to a very kind of transnational journey.

:45:59.:46:04.

She moved to Hawaii in the late 1980s with my father and my mother

:46:05.:46:08.

and she currently is an American citizen and has been since then.

:46:09.:46:16.

How do you, how does the family view the visit of President Barack Obama

:46:17.:46:24.

and what he said? He said he wouldn't make an apology, he didn't,

:46:25.:46:29.

but he spoke strongly about thinking of the victims. Is that enough? Do

:46:30.:46:33.

you think people do desire an apology?

:46:34.:46:40.

No, my family doesn't feel like an apology is necessary, my grandmother

:46:41.:46:44.

doesn't as well. For me personally, I strongly support the sentence

:46:45.:46:50.

President Barack Obama expressed. When I first visited the place,

:46:51.:46:57.

Hiroshima peace Park, it was very dramatic. It gave me the first-hand,

:46:58.:47:04.

as close as I could get, being there with my grandmother, seeing the

:47:05.:47:09.

horrific mannequins in the museum, there are the life-sized figures

:47:10.:47:14.

with melting flesh, tattered clothes. Reconciling that passed

:47:15.:47:18.

with the present city eyesore, it gave me a sense how real this was,

:47:19.:47:27.

how precarious reality is as well. How this could happen again, on an

:47:28.:47:34.

even more destructive scale. For President Barack Obama to be

:47:35.:47:39.

visiting this place was enough of an acknowledgement of the horrors of

:47:40.:47:44.

the past, and also the pressing need to prevent another Hiroshima in the

:47:45.:47:50.

future. It is that sense of focusing on the humanity amidst discussions

:47:51.:47:57.

of military strategy, what was historically necessary in World War

:47:58.:48:03.

II, all today as well. Thank you so much for joining us.

:48:04.:48:08.

We are short on time. It has been fascinating to hear you speak this

:48:09.:48:10.

morning. Thank you.

:48:11.:48:13.

We speak to one of its new presenters Rory Reid and show

:48:14.:48:18.

you his 30 second audition tape which apparently

:48:19.:48:20.

It's feared the trouble and chaos in France caused by industrial

:48:21.:48:28.

action over new labour laws will hit bank holiday travel from the UK.

:48:29.:48:32.

There are petrol shortages caused by oil refinery

:48:33.:48:35.

blockades, there are protests and demonstrations, and road

:48:36.:48:36.

Despite some signs the crisis may have stabilised, the Foreign Office

:48:37.:48:42.

is setting out its own warnings, urging British motorists to be aware

:48:43.:48:45.

they might not be able to fill up over the Channel.

:48:46.:48:50.

Joining me now from Paris is our correspondent, Hugh Schofield.

:48:51.:48:53.

How bad is it there? The good news is that they must have eased since

:48:54.:49:06.

yesterday. We don't have the protests and violence and blockades

:49:07.:49:09.

of roads and bridges we had yesterday.

:49:10.:49:13.

Yesterday was a special day of national action.

:49:14.:49:17.

Still going on our blockades of refineries and oil depots.

:49:18.:49:21.

The good news there is also things seem to have eased somewhat.

:49:22.:49:25.

I have been watching the television and listening to the radio or

:49:26.:49:29.

morning. The situation is patchy and fluid, there are still, there are

:49:30.:49:35.

some areas where petrol is in short supply, but the general picture is

:49:36.:49:40.

there are enough depots open and enough tankers on the roads, tanker

:49:41.:49:46.

drivers are working overtime, to ensure that more is getting through

:49:47.:49:49.

to petrol stations. The message for visitors coming over

:49:50.:49:53.

will be, don't put off your journey, come with a full tank, expect some

:49:54.:49:59.

difficulty in finding petrol but you should find it.

:50:00.:50:10.

Get hold of one of these Papps -- apps, essence.fr.

:50:11.:50:15.

Let's speak now to Nick Baker who is on a road trip in

:50:16.:50:18.

When did you first know about the strike?

:50:19.:50:34.

I was on a resort on the south coast. I hadn't been aware of the

:50:35.:50:42.

disruption until I got there. I joined the queue at the petrol

:50:43.:50:45.

station. I am not very good at queueing. I left the queue.

:50:46.:51:01.

I struggled to find diesel. Most of the forecourts seemed to have petrol

:51:02.:51:06.

but not diesel. I was stuck for three days.

:51:07.:51:14.

There were deliveries to certain forecourts.

:51:15.:51:16.

I was very concerned about running out of fuel.

:51:17.:51:25.

Let us bring in Sylvia, what impact is this having on you?

:51:26.:51:35.

In this region, it has been a bit difficult since the beginning of a

:51:36.:51:38.

week when I went to fill petrol, there wasn't any petrol left. So, I

:51:39.:51:48.

had to turn around to find a petrol pump, otherwise I couldn't get to

:51:49.:51:54.

work. Basically, people are feeling a lot of tension is rising. In one

:51:55.:52:01.

week or so, if the problem is not solved, we are really going to have

:52:02.:52:07.

a problem. Especially the old people who are really insecure, that is

:52:08.:52:12.

what I see. My neighbour who is an 85-year-old man. The moment he saw

:52:13.:52:20.

that, he filled his petrol tanks just to feel secure. But he doesn't

:52:21.:52:27.

have a problem, although he needs to go to hospital for tests. Basically

:52:28.:52:35.

it is old people feeling the impact of it. While the youngsters, they

:52:36.:52:42.

are not that much affected. We are just hoping the situation gets a bit

:52:43.:52:47.

better. Thank you, Sylvia. We have a couple

:52:48.:52:49.

more people and want to talk to. Young people are so stay affected,

:52:50.:53:05.

we are in the middle of exams, starting out diploma exams. The

:53:06.:53:09.

adult students had to travel over 100 kilometres to their independent

:53:10.:53:15.

test centres. A very big worry. Students at 2am looking for diesel

:53:16.:53:19.

on the day of their exams, where their exam starts 9am. We are facing

:53:20.:53:27.

problems with bridges and across the river, there have been blockades.

:53:28.:53:33.

Students needing to cross them. It is a real difficulty. Everybody is

:53:34.:53:39.

stressed, worry. Yes, we are coping, we are car sharing, putting people

:53:40.:53:45.

up in hotels, with families. It is the worry, the uncertainty whether

:53:46.:53:50.

even an exam will take place or be cancelled.

:53:51.:53:54.

Colin, you are back in the UK. You had your site affected, what

:53:55.:53:58.

happened with you? No, I am still in the Costa Blanca,

:53:59.:54:03.

a lovely part of the world to be in but frankly I would rather be London

:54:04.:54:08.

catching up with family and friends. Our flight was cancelled late

:54:09.:54:12.

yesterday. We received an e-mail saying the flight was cancelled by

:54:13.:54:16.

one of the major carriers going out of Alicante. They offered a free

:54:17.:54:20.

change flights. But the next available once wasn't until 11:30pm.

:54:21.:54:27.

So we switched apples and are flying out, fingers crossed, this afternoon

:54:28.:54:32.

-- switched airports. The advice is, if you are heading to

:54:33.:54:39.

France, do still go but with a full tank.

:54:40.:54:43.

It's been one of the most talked about and hotly anticipated shows

:54:44.:54:46.

of the year and, finally, this Sunday, Top Gear

:54:47.:54:48.

returns to our screens with a brand-new line-up.

:54:49.:54:50.

It comes after Jeremy Clarkson was famously sacked

:54:51.:54:54.

after assaulting a producer, and his co-presenters

:54:55.:54:58.

Unless your other car is a superbike, or a cheetah with

:54:59.:55:08.

a saddle on it, that ought to be enough.

:55:09.:55:10.

Rory Reid is one of the two unknowns in

:55:11.:55:25.

The south Londoner won his position after impressing the producers

:55:26.:55:34.

with a 30-second audition tape which Chris Evans

:55:35.:55:35.

Chris Evans said on radio he was putting out a call, and one would be

:55:36.:55:46.

selected from the public. He put that out to the world, anyone could

:55:47.:55:51.

apply, you needed to submit a 32nd audition tape to be considered.

:55:52.:56:00.

Why were you so keen? I am a motoring journalist anyway, my day

:56:01.:56:05.

job is filming Top Gear but on a lower budget on YouTube. I jumped in

:56:06.:56:09.

a car and tell people whether those cars are worth buying or not. It is

:56:10.:56:13.

what I have done for the better part of ten years. I am a great fit in

:56:14.:56:18.

that respect. But my talent is just being able to communicate how cars

:56:19.:56:23.

make you feel, how much you will enjoy it or hate driving those cars

:56:24.:56:27.

in a particular environment. There has been so much expectation

:56:28.:56:32.

and talk about Top Gear. Chris Evans was talking about what was and what

:56:33.:56:38.

will be. He said there is nothing wrong with the old show, the

:56:39.:56:41.

presentation, just something went wrong with one of the presenters.

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Nothing was broken. Other than the new line-up, will it be pretty much

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as it was? Top Gear is Top Gear, everything

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that people love about the old show, we will stop at the banter, the

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beautiful cars. We will step it up in terms of the production values,

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it will be beautiful to watch. What we have now is a bigger line-up

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of people. In the past, you can watch Top Gear and predict what each

:57:11.:57:14.

presenter might say about a particular car based on the

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caricature of those individuals. Right now we have a fresh new team,

:57:19.:57:23.

you don't know what we will say. All new and fresh. Some big figures,

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people successful in various fields, are there were a lot of egos or are

:57:29.:57:32.

you getting on? I had the same concern. I jumped in

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and I was relieved to see that everybody is a team player,

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everybody gets on with each other, especially on the presenting team.

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We all have this thing in common which is cars, we love the same

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things. When we talk to each other, we don't have to find a common

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ground, it is already there. We love driving around in some

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amazing cars, we share that passion, it is easy to get on.

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Thank you, good luck, the first show is on Saturday.

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On Sunday. Followed by Extra Gear on BBC Three.

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Thank you for your company today.

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