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It's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
Our top story today: An act of terror targeting lesbian, | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
gay, bisexual and transgender people. | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
50 dead, many more critically injured, after a gunman opened fire | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
Nobody can tell me where my son is. If he has been shocked... Nobody | :00:25. | :00:37. | |
knows. They told me there are fit allergies. -- fatalities. | :00:38. | :00:45. | |
The gunman had sworn allegiance to so-called Islamic State. | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
The FBI interviewed him three times as a possible terror | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
The FBI had first become aware of Omar Mateen when he made | :00:50. | :01:00. | |
inflammatory, trees to co-workers alleging terrorist ties. We used | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
records checks. In the course of the investigation, Omar Mateen was | :01:08. | :01:08. | |
interviewed twice. Later in the programme we'll hear | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
from the cousin of one Do get in touch with your reaction, | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
particularly if you are gay. Also this morning: Staff in betting | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
shops have told this programme they're being told to offer | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
customers perks and incentives to keep them playing | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
on controversial high There was a suggestion from the area | :01:23. | :01:32. | |
manager at one time if we had a customer coming in in their lunch | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
hour, to make sure they didn't waste time getting a cheese and ham roll | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
instead of playing machines. That you could go out there, get the | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
cheese and ham roll, and get it ready for them. | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
And Oscar Pistorius is in court again as sentencing begins | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
and we'll keep you up to date with all the developments | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
in the Orlando shooting, the worst mass shooting | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
If you're getting in touch, use the hashtag VictoriaLive | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
Our top story today: The FBI says the gunman who carried out the worst | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
mass shooting in US history had been investigated three times | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
for possible terrorism links but agents concluded | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
Omar Mateen, a US citizen of Afghan descent, phoned the emergency | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
services to pledge allegiance to the Islamic State group, | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
before killing 50 people in a gay nightclub in Orlando. | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
His ex-wife has said he was mentally unstable. | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
President Obama called the killings an act of terror and hate. | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
Vigils have been held across the United States, | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
and flags are being flown at half mast on federal buildings. | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
Omar Mateen was described by the President as a person | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
Born in New York, the 29-year-old travelled to Orlando to a gay club | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
The shots from his assault rifle killed 50 people, | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
He took dozens of clubbers hostage for hours, before police | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
They shot him before he could do more harm. | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
His ex-wife says she too suffered at his hands. | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
Yeah, he was very short tempered, and he would often get into fights | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
Because I guess I was the only one in his life, most | :03:32. | :03:39. | |
of the violence was towards me at that time. | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
Police are still identifying his many victims. | :03:43. | :03:43. | |
Relatives and survivors searched hospitals hoping for some good news. | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
He works at Universal and I'm just hoping we find him. | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
I could smell the ammo in the air, and I thought, this is a gun, | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
this isn't fireworks, we need to leave. | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
As the investigation continues, there are several words that sum | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
This is a city trying to make sense of the senseless, | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
and they are doing it in their own way. | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
Hundreds of people queued for hours to donate blood to help those | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
in hospital, a small act of kindness that gave Orlando a glimpse | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
of humanity at its best, after it had seen its very worst. | :04:23. | :04:31. | |
In Orlando, the city's authorities have started to release | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
Gathering together, families hoping for good news or fearing the worst. | :04:37. | :04:49. | |
But the fate of some of the victims is clear. | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
34-year-old Edward Sotomayer Junior died in the attack. | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
His cousin David said he was a caring, energetic man. | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
He was known for wearing a silly top hat on cruises. | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
Stanley Almodovar also killed at the age of 23, | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
described as kind but sassy and proud of who he was. | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
His mother, Rosalie Ramos, said he posted a video of himself | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
And 22-year-old Luis Vielma lost his life during the mass shooting. | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
These are the names of the other victims confirmed by police. | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
But some were more lucky and managed to escape. | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
You hear what sounds like fireworks and balloons popping, | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
and you assume it's part of the show, and then you hear | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
people start screaming, and the sound doesn't stop, | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
and people start falling, and you realise it's not | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
And at that point I realised I needed to get out. | :05:45. | :05:53. | |
The extent of this attack is still unfolding as the number of people | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
killed may still rise. Our correspondent Laura | :05:57. | :05:58. | |
Bicker is in Orlando. What more can you tell our audience | :05:59. | :06:09. | |
about this man's links to Islamic State? What we do know is that | :06:10. | :06:17. | |
police confirmed that he dialled 911 before he carried out the shootings. | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
In that call, he pledged allegiance to the so-called Islamic State. We | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
also have heard from an unofficial social media account which is linked | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
to Islamic State, and in that account, they say that one of their | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
fighters carried out this atrocity. That has yet to be confirmed. You | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
also mentioned that he was investigated back in 2013 and in | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
2014 for terrorism linked by the FBI, but that was because a | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
co-Walker -- co-worker said he made inflammatory comments but the FBI | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
found nothing suspicious. We have also heard from his ex-wife who | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
builds up a picture of a volatile, unstable man. She seemed surprised | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
when she was told that this shooting could be motivated by religious | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
beliefs. It will take some time for the FBI to build a picture, to try | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
to figure out what motivated this mass murder. Thank you. Laura Bicker | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
reporting live from Orlando. Clearly today's programme will be dominated | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
by events there. Joanna has the rest of the news from the BBC newsroom. | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
The French authorities have urged cities hosting Euro 2016 matches | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
to ban the sale of alcohol, in an effort to curb the violence | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
that has marred the opening days of the competition. | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
There are fears of further clashes as the tournament progresses, | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
following trouble at Saturday's 1-1 draw between England | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
The French government said nations should be held accountable | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
Meanwhile, French police have confirmed that a Northern Ireland | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
fan has died in Nice, in what's thought to | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
The Shadow Home Secretary, Andy Burnham, will today urge MPs | :08:01. | :08:09. | |
of all parties to support a so-called Hillsborough Law. | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
It would ensure that bereaved families are given the same amount | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
He said the Hillsborough families' long fight had shown how the odds | :08:16. | :08:27. | |
were stacked against ordinary people seeking truth and justice. | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
Oscar Pistorius is due in court this morning to face sentencing | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp three years ago. | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
The athlete was previously charged with culpable homicide, | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
a charge equivalent to manslaughter, but that was overturned and changed | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
The Paralympic gold medallist is facing a minimum 15-year | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
Some betting shop staff have reported they're being told to offer | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
customers perks and incentives to keep them playing | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
A BBC investigation found some managers were being told to offer | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
free bets, and to bring free drinks to customers to encourage them | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
The industry says it takes responsible gambling seriously | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
and has procedures in place to support anyone with a problem. | :09:06. | :09:14. | |
Salvage work has begun in South Korea to raise the Sewol, | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
More than 300 people died in the sinking, | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
The ferry is now lying more than 130 feet underwater on the sea bed. | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
A Chinese company will try to put long beams under the ferry | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
in an attempt to lift it to the surface without | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
Relatives of the victims have put pressure on the South Korean | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
government to recover the vessel so that the remains | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
Thank you. And thanks to you for getting in touch with your reaction | :09:46. | :09:55. | |
to the shootings in Orlando. Jonathan on Facebook says he cannot | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
work it out. He has been awake most of the night thinking about Orlando. | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
As a proud gay man who has been to Orlando and who has gay friends | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
United States, why? If you are getting in touch with us this | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
morning, particularly if you are going, use the hashtag and if you | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
text you will be charged at your network rate. Sally is in Paris with | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
the sport and the violence is taking the headlines. Yes. Isn't it | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
distressing at this point in the tournament? So many nations coming | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
here with high hopes and we have got to talk about violence. It has been | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
happening across this country, mainly in Marseille at the weekend. | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
I just want to share something that we have been reading this morning in | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
the Figaro. They have a picture just before the England- Russia game in | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
the centre of Marseille. It is a really interesting stance that they | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
are taking on this. They are describing how an English fan was | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
provoked by a local, somebody French, who was swearing at them, | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
calling them names, and that is how one little pocket of trouble | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
started. Interesting that the French reporting here is really very | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
balanced, you have got to say, and very honest about the causes of | :11:09. | :11:15. | |
parts of the trouble. This seems that we are witnessing now, what you | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
are seeing on your screens now, this does not happen in the UK now | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
because of the way that the government and the police have | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
changed the rules regarding football matches, and the change in approach | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
and style and attitude of the British police when it comes to big | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
Premier League matches. This is something that they are talking very | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
positively about in the French press today, suggesting it is something | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
they should look at for the rest of the Euros. Shall we talk about the | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
sport for a moment? The fairy tale of Northern Ireland is one everybody | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
has been watching. They came into this tournament on a wave of great | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
results and widespread goodwill. Thousands of fans travelled with | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
them to witness their first appearance in a major tournament for | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
almost three decades. If that fairy tale is going to continue, they have | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
got their work cut out. Katie is following the team throughout this | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
tournament and is in Nice this morning. Not a good result for them | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
last night. That is right. There has been a vibrant atmosphere in Nice | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
over the last couple of days but Northern Irish fans will be waking | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
up this morning feeling a sense of pride in their team but also | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
disappointment that they were not able to get something from the match | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
against Poland. It was a 1-0 defeat, narrow on paper, but actually the | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
gulf between the teams was greater, and they face an uphill | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
It was a great day and a great occasion but we didn't deserve to | :12:42. | :13:02. | |
win. We are still going to win and we will be there for the quarters! | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
Such belief is why Northern Ireland are here in the first place. Michael | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
O'Neill's sites topped the group and qualification that this was another | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
step up entirely and it was clear that Michael McGovern would be busy | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
early on. Resistance could only last so long. Northern Ireland have spent | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
weeks getting to know Robin livered of ski, but in the end it was their | :13:24. | :13:31. | |
strike partner who mattered. This approach from the captain Stephen | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
Davis summed up their lack of success. We tried to get everything | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
out of the game and we did not create anything of real significance | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
and we have to be honest and say the better team won on the day. Northern | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
Ireland leave Nice defeated but not disgraced but with Ukraine and | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
Germany still to come, they will need to defy the odds once more to | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
keep their European dream alive. Michael O'Neill will have to lift | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
his players for that game. Germany beat Ukraine 2-0 at Michael O'Neill | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
knows that he has got to beat Ukraine to avoid the prospect of | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
going into that game against Germany needing to get something from it. An | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
uphill challenge for Northern Ireland and that game against | :14:22. | :14:23. | |
Ukraine really does feel like the group decider. I am sure it does. In | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
the last hour we have had some desperately sad news about a fan who | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
travelled to the south of France to watch his team. That is right. | :14:35. | :14:42. | |
Details are still emerging, but this appears to be a tragic accident. | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
Police have confirmed that a young Northern Ireland fan died after | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
falling from the railing that lines the beach-front here, onto the stone | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
beach, and landing on his head. His family have been informed. It is | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
worth stressing that they suspect that this was an accidental death | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
and nothing to do with any football hooliganism or any of the minor | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
trouble that we saw in Nice on Saturday night. A tragic accident | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
and tragic news from Nice after Northern Ireland's match against | :15:15. | :15:29. | |
The Republic of Ireland play Sweden in Paris. Italy against Belgium is | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
on BBC One at 8pm tonight before those two games, Spain play the | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
Czech Republic. So plenty to look forward to, Victoria. | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
A carefree Saturday night, hundreds of people dancing, | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
laughing and enjoying life at a gay Latin night in a club in Orlando. | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
All that changed in seconds just after 2am when a 29-year-old | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
American and father of one walked in and began firing | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
Fleeing from the scene, Anthony Torres filmed what happened. | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
Look at that, they're shooting back and forth. | :16:03. | :16:03. | |
Oh, my God, they're all shooting back and forth. | :16:04. | :16:22. | |
We barely made it out, out of there. | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
At 5am, several hours after the first shot was fired, | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
heavily armed SWAT team members used an armoured vehicle to smash down | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
a door at the club, clearing the way for around 30 | :16:36. | :16:37. | |
In total the carnage lasted three hours. | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
People fled, hid in toilets, tended to the injured and wounded. | :16:41. | :16:52. | |
There was a guy who got hit in the back. I took my bandanna off and put | :16:53. | :17:01. | |
it on him so his blood wouldn't gush out. But he had blood everywhere and | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
there was another girl got hit in the arm. I helped her, we wrapped | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
it. We tried to keep her awake, but still, you could still hear the | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
boom, boom, it had to be more than one person. It was just too | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
continuous. Was like you were in a gun range and all you hear is bang, | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
bang, bang, I can't even describe it. It was really difficult to see | :17:28. | :17:37. | |
in real life a horrible situation. REPORTER: Did people realise what | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
was going on? I don't think anyone knew what was going on until they | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
saw people on the floor. You don't know when you are in a bar like | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
that, you think it is music because there is three different places, | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
there is sounds on the patio and sounds inside where the main area | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
and there is another area where they were dancing, there is three | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
different types of music playing at the same time. So how would you | :18:03. | :18:03. | |
really know what's what? The man we now know as 29-year-old | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
Omar Mateen shot people dead and held people hostage for some | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
of the time and also rang 911 emergency services to pledge | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
allegiance to so-called Islamic Eventually SWAT officers | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
confronted him in the doorway, His father says the attack wasn't | :18:15. | :18:24. | |
motivated by religion, but anger he felt when he saw | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
two men kissing. He also said he never thought his | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
son had "hatred in his heart". In the name of God, brave people of | :18:33. | :18:48. | |
my country, I am informing you of the death of my son in the United | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
States. It is a very sad moment. I would like to bring to your | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
attention that my son Omar Mateen was a very good and educated boy. He | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
has a wife and a child and he was very respectful of his family. I | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
don't know what caused this whole thing. He was working for a company | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
that had provided him with a pistol. I never figured out that he had | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
hatred in his heart. He went to the gay club, shot and killed about 50 | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
men and women. I'm grief stricken and I have announced that to the | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
people of the United States. Why he did such a thing in the holy month | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
of ran dam, I don't know. The issue of homosexuality and punishment for | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
that is up to God alone. This is not in the hands of human beings. What | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
he has done has affected me deeply. I wanted you to know about this. May | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
God guide all the young people towards the pure faith of Islam. | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
The so-called Islamic State group says it was behind the attack, | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
but the extent of its involvement is still not clear. | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
The FBI says it had interviewed Omar Mateen three times | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
as a possible terror suspect, but took no action | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
because they didn't think he posed a threat. | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
Meanwhile, his ex-wife says he was "mentally unstable" | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
A few months after we were married I saw his instability and I saw he was | :20:03. | :20:16. | |
bipolar and he would get mad out of nowhere. That's when I started | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
worrying about my safety and then after a few months he started | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
abusing me physically. Very often and not allow me to speak to my | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
family, keeping me hostage from them. And I tried to see the good in | :20:31. | :20:37. | |
him even then, but my family was very tuned into what I was going | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
through and decided to me visit me and rescue me out of that situation. | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
The number of people who've died so far is 50 - | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
the worst mass shooting in US history. | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
So far we know a little about the victims, most | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
The number of people who've died so far is 50 - | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
We'll tell you about some of those victims after 10am this morning, | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
but many relatives are still waiting to find out of their | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
I don't know where my son S no one can tell me where my son is, if he | :21:01. | :21:18. | |
has been shot, if he is dead, they told me there are fatalities. | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
US President Barack Obama has described the gun attack as "an act | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder, | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
horrific massacre, of dozens of innocent people. | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
We pray for the families who are grasping for answers | :21:32. | :21:33. | |
We stand with the people of Orlando, who have endured a terrible | :21:34. | :21:42. | |
Although it's still early in the investigation, | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
we know enough to say that this was an act of terror, | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
And, as Americans, we are united in grief, in outrage, | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
I just finished a meeting with FBI director Comey and my | :21:57. | :22:05. | |
Homeland Security and National Security advisers. | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
The FBI is on the scene and leading the investigation in partnership | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
I directed that the full resources of federal government be made | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
In the last 24 hours, many gay Muslims from around the world have | :22:15. | :22:26. | |
taken to social media to give their reaction. | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
Shawn Ahmed posted saying, "I'm gay and Muslim. | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
I want to tell the Muslim community the Islamophobia being spewed | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
now doesn't reflect my values as a gay man". | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
Raillan Brooks tweeted, "The best part of today | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
is all my queer Muslim siblings finding me, and us | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
And this from Samira Ahmed, "To my gay Muslim brothers | :22:44. | :22:54. | |
and sisters, I see you. I hear you. | :22:55. | :22:56. | |
And the hashtag, GaysBreakTheInternet | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
Nearly 200,000 people have tweeted using the phrase. | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
Some people have responded to the dreadful events by coming out | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
Bay posted this, "After today I want to properly come out. | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
And Tim Tim tweeted, "After years of being bullied | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
and harassed I can finally say I love who I am | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
By the way, if you're gay and have come out as a result | :23:22. | :23:37. | |
of what happened on Saturday night, do let me know. | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
You can tweet me @Victoria Live or send me | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
Rob Demenco, a volunteer at The Centre Orlando, | :23:43. | :24:01. | |
a leading charity that supports the LGBT community in the city. | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
Kelly Johnson, is a gay man in Orlando. | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
Rachel Kiki, is going to a vigil tonight in London for the victims | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
John Paul Brammer, a Latino gay rights campaigner in New York. | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
Pastor Paul Valo, from the Christ Church of Orlando, | :24:12. | :24:13. | |
a church just round the corner from the nightclub - | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
they've been offering front line workers food and support. | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
Let's speak to Kelly and Robert. How do you respond to what happened in | :24:21. | :24:30. | |
Orlando on Saturday night? Wellks we were stunned and it is just | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
horrific. We were glued to the television yesterday. We're still in | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
shock, disbelief actually. Orlando is such a peaceful community and to | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
have this event occur here, there is no words. | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
Is this to do with religion or to do with homophobia or both? I think | :24:51. | :24:58. | |
both. Initially when the events were unfolding I thought it was perhaps | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
somebody local, a hate crime and then when we heard there was perhaps | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
an Isis connection to this, it is just stunning to hear a small club | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
in Orlando is targeted for such an event. | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
Sorry, are you Kelly, or are you Robert? I'm Kelly. Robert, let me | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
ask you, your reaction to the events on Saturday. Hi. I just couldn't | :25:26. | :25:33. | |
believe it. The day before Kelly and I were downtown Orlando and we were | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
saying how safe and peaceful and open society in or land owe is and | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
then we woke up with the horrible news, the massacre at the club. As a | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
gay couple in Orlando, are you out and proud? Is it fine for you to | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
walk about? Is there any any negative reaction? No, we are very | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
involved in the community and in our particular neighbourhood, we live in | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
a suburban area of Orlando. I happen to be the HOA president of our | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
community and I wondered over the years if I would get negative | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
backlash from residents because it is not always a happy fun task | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
enforcing rules, but never, not once, not a peep. No heckling, no, | :26:20. | :26:28. | |
nothing, no bullying, nothing. We have been treated very, very well by | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
the peoplement Orlando is very accepting and welcoming and we love | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
it here. Let me bring in Pastor Paul from the Christchurch of Orlando. | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
Why has this happened? Well, I don't know that I can speak to why it | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
happens, you know? Obviously, who can figure out the mind of somebody | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
who is full of hate and maybe somebody who has some imbalance in | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
their life. Who can figure that out? Other than the fact that we can say, | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
it is our job to kind of respond afterwards and figure out what do we | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
do from here and how do we help our community? How do we help the people | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
who have been injured and that's really been the response to our | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
church is how do we help and how do we move forward? Well, how do you | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
bring the community together then? Well, yesterday we brought our | :27:21. | :27:22. | |
community together. We had people that showed up at our church just, | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
there was so many people that showed up just to help, we had pretty early | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
made the decision that we were going to help the first responders. | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
Obviously, they had kind of taped the area off so there wasn't a lot | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
of traffic, but a lot of people came on foot and we had restaurants that | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
started to offer food. Our church had food that we were able to | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
prepare and we put it out for the first responders for the police | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
officers, for those that were in on the extraction team and even some of | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
our Government officials came through and we were offering a cool | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
place for them as well as a place for them to rest, use rest rooms and | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
get water and some food. Let me bring in John Paul. You are a | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
gay rights campaigner in New York and I think, John, you are angry | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
that most gay and by sexual men in the States are banned from giving | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
blood to help the victims. Just tell our audience about the law in the US | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
and why you want it changed now? Yes, I am angry about it. I wrote a | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
column about it in the Guardian today. Currently, it says that gay | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
and by sexual men or men who have engaged with sexual activities with | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
men can give blood, but only after a year of celibacy which obviously | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
excludes the vast majority of us. You could be a gay couple in a | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
completely month og mus relationship and you would still have the ban. | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
You still wouldn't be able to give blood if you've had sexual relations | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
with your parten and with your husband in the past year. You can be | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
in a heterosexual relationship and have as much sex as you want and | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
have sex outside of that marriage and the rule would not apply, you | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
would be able to give blood. It is just way outdated and something the | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
facts don't support anymore. The medical community, the scientific | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
community, it has all been condemned and it needs to go away. Homophobia | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
keeps it in place. And discrimination at the best of times, | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
but right now actually, there is a medical need for the blood of gay, | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
sexually active men? Absolutely. You saw earlier, the huge line of people | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
trying to give blood in Orlando and that was such a beautiful display of | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
solidarity and we really need it because we can't do it ourselves | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
because of this ban. But it really is such a tragedy that there were a | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
lot of gay men who wanted to give blood in the wake of this awful | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
massacre and the tragedy was compounded when they ran into more | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
oppression, things they couldn't do. These | :29:54. | :30:01. | |
against. You are chair of the American Muslim Community Centres, I | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
wonder how anxious you are about a potential backlash against Muslim | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
people? Good morning. There is always a possibility, but over the | :30:09. | :30:17. | |
years we have in Orlando good relations among people of all walks | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
of life. We constantly have open houses at our mosque. Tomorrow, we | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
have a sharing, a Ramadan programme where we invite civic leaders, | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
leaders of different faith communities. We have always worked | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
with the LGBT community in central Florida. So there can always be some | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
hate around there. We are cautious the law enforcement community has | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
been very supportive of us without us prompting them. They have | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
stationed a police officer by our community isn't ter and we have | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
cautioned our community to be careful, but we are going out there | :30:55. | :31:01. | |
in public doing blood drives and also interacting. I'm scheduled to | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
go to the hospital this morning to meet with the families of the | :31:06. | :31:11. | |
victims. Our hearts and prayers are with them -- our thoughts and | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
prayers are with them. We will get through this by working with one | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
another and not allowing hate and haters to divide us. | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
I would just like to ask you for a few more minutes of your time, and | :31:25. | :31:33. | |
also our guests in the studio. We want to bring our view is the news | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
and sport and also comments from viewers around the UK listening to | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
you speak this morning. This just in. The pride flag will fly at | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
half-mast over the Scottish headquarters today in memory of | :31:48. | :31:49. | |
those who lost their lives in Orlando. That is a treat. And this | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
is. This is a reminder of the hated tax that the LGBT community suffers | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
daily. Until that stops we will never be free. Sean has emailed | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
this. I am a gay man aged 24 and I have been open for four years now. | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
It is those that what has happened and I am feeling incredibly sad at | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
this time and also scared because of the rise of aggression and attacks | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
against the LGBT community that we have been seeing around the world. | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
Jerome has tweeted this. Orlando, too easy to link the attack to | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
terrorism. Homophobia exists in many sections of the UK society as well. | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
And this tweet from Warren. Please attend the Soho vigil tonight. Be | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
out there and be seen. These people cannot win. And Edwards says this. | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
As a gay man I feel sadness about what has happened in the United | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
States. My thoughts are with the friends and families of those who | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
died. Please tweet us. We will talk more in a second but first the | :32:54. | :32:54. | |
headlines with Joanna. At least 50 people have been | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
killed in a gun attack Vigils are being held across the | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
country. America is still struggling to come | :33:02. | :33:12. | |
to terms with the worst mass The gunman worked as a security | :33:13. | :33:23. | |
guard and did have a license to carry a concealed weapon. Nobody can | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
tell me where my son is. If he has been shot, if he is dead, nobody | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
knows. They have told me there are fatalities. | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
The French authorities have urged cities hosting Euro 2016 matches | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
to ban the sale of alcohol, in an effort to curb the violence | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
that has marred the opening days of the competition. | :33:44. | :33:45. | |
There are fears of further clashes as the tournament progresses, | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
following trouble at Saturday's 1-1 draw between England | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
The French government said nations should be held accountable | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
Meanwhile, French police have confirmed that a Northern Ireland | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
fan has died in Nice, in what's thought to | :33:57. | :33:58. | |
Oscar Pistorius is due in court this morning to face sentencing | :33:59. | :34:06. | |
for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp three years ago. | :34:07. | :34:14. | |
The athlete was previously convicted of manslaughter. | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
The Paralympic gold medallist is facing a minimum 15-year | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
That is a summary of the latest BBC News. More at ten o'clock. Now the | :34:26. | :34:36. | |
sport. Thank you. Here are your sporting headlines from Paris. | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
Northern Ireland have it all to do to make it through the group stage | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
of the European Championships after they lost their opening match to | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
Poland last night. It was only 1-0 but the Irish failed to register a | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
decent shot on target and they will need to improve with Ukraine and | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
world champions Germany still to come. Those two sides also played | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
last night with Germany winning 2-0. Bastian Schweinsteiger sealed the | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
victory with his side's second in the last few minutes. In other news, | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
Wales's rugby tour of New Zealand will have to continue without star | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
player George North, who has suffered a significant hamstring | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
injury during the defeat to the All Blacks on Saturday. Lewis Hamilton | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
continues his charge up the F1 driver standings after winning the | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
Canadian Grand Prix yesterday, finishing ahead of his team-mate | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
Nico Rosberg. He is now only nine points behind him in the | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
championship. At Alex Hales fell just short of a century as England | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
set Sri Lanka a victory target of 362 in the third and final test at | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
Lords. They need to take ten Sri Lanka wickets today to wrap up the | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
series 3-0. That is all the sport from Paris. Thank you. Let's | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
continue our conversation, the reaction to events in Orlando at the | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
weekend. We have heard from Kelly and Robert, a gay couple in Orlando, | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
who were telling us they have never had any negative reaction out and | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
about in that state. John is a gay rights campaigner in New York and he | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
is cross that most gay people are banned from giving blood to help the | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
victims and he is calling for that band to be lifted right now. We have | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
also heard from a pastor from the Christchurch in Orlando and the | :36:24. | :36:26. | |
chair of the Muslim community centres. They are talking about | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
trying to bring their communities together. With me is the LGBT editor | :36:32. | :36:40. | |
for Buzzfeed News and also Rachel. There is a vigil in London tonight | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
to express and show solidarity for those who have been killed in the | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
United States. Why is that happening? The LGBT people of | :36:48. | :36:55. | |
Britain along with many other people are deeply horrified about what has | :36:56. | :37:01. | |
happened. First and foremost, we want to, I want to extend our | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
deepest sympathies and solidarity with the people of Orlando, with the | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
LGBT people of America, and indeed with all Americans. What we have | :37:14. | :37:21. | |
seen in the last 24 hours is that hatred, terrorism, homophobia, | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
transphobia, doesn't just affect LGBT people. It affects everyone. It | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
is a stain on our society and on our culture. The best thing that we can | :37:32. | :37:38. | |
do is join hands, join hands on a street in Soho, join hands across | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
social media, join hands across country and country, between | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
politician and citizen, between person in the closet, between out | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
and proud person, between straight and gay. That is all we can do, to | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
stand united against horror and terror and hatred. I want to ask | :37:56. | :38:04. | |
you, Kelly and Robert, how you respond to Patrick absolutely | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
expressing his love and solidarity to gay people here in the UK. It is | :38:07. | :38:14. | |
wonderful to hear that and I couldn't agree with him more. We all | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
have to bind together and we all have to fight this. I think it is | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
really helpful the more that LGBT folks come out and admit who they | :38:26. | :38:33. | |
are and show their real truth, that goes a long way in fighting this. | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
Then suddenly it is someone you know, a family member, a colleague, | :38:38. | :38:44. | |
a neighbour. I think that diminishes, it starts to whittle | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
away slowly at homophobia. How do you react to the fact that people | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
have been coming out on social media in direct response to the shootings? | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
I think it is wonderful in the sense that coming out is the single most | :39:00. | :39:07. | |
powerful act any LGBT person can make to end prejudice and bigotry | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
towards themselves and towards their own community. Why does it end it if | :39:11. | :39:17. | |
somebody comes out? It is the single greatest tool in helping to end it. | :39:18. | :39:25. | |
Previously we were entirely ignored. If you ignore an entire group, you | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
do not have to give them any rights. You do not have to acknowledge their | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
presence at human beings. As LGBT people started to come out, our | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
rights darted to come towards us because we started to demand it. We | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
started to say we will not take your shame, we will not be gagged and | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
silenced, we are here, we are human and we deserve equal human rights. | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
It is the most potent thing we can do. However, it is utterly tragic | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
that we live in a culture still where it takes the massacre, the | :40:01. | :40:09. | |
merger, of 50 people before scared and vulnerable LGBT people finally | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
have the courage to say merely who they are and who they love. Britain, | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
America, the entire world needs to take an a long, hard look at itself. | :40:22. | :40:34. | |
The truth is that homophobia is biological, social, political and | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
cultural. All these things in telling. What we have seen with Omar | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
Mateen is somebody who is at the intersection of those things. This | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
is someone who was clearly disturbed, who is clearly | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
homophobic, but that isn't in a vacuum. That happens in a culture | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
and that culture is steeped in homophobia. LGBT people understand | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
fear and terror because we live with it at a low level, at an invisible | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
level often, every day. Rachel, why are you going to this vigil in | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
London tonight? I suspect there will be vigils around the world actually. | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
There is. I am showing support for my friends and my family and | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
everyone. It is terrifying that we live in a time when existence is | :41:19. | :41:25. | |
threatened simply by existing. That is terrible and all we can do now is | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
support, show that we can love everyone for everything, and so many | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
people want to show support like that. It is going on in loads of | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
different places at different communities joining up will make a | :41:38. | :41:45. | |
difference. It is terrifying. Why do you think it will make a difference? | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
It sounds cliche but the most powerful thing we can do right now | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
is join hands, in the literal and figurative sense, because as you | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
said we live in a community and in a culture that is either homophobic or | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
transphobic or discriminatory towards things that are beyond our | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
control. Things that we don't choose. Things we are born with. To | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
show more support would teach others that it is not a choice and it is OK | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
to be who you are. If I can mention one tiny thing? So far in the last | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
few hours, the Prime Minister and the First Minister for Scotland and | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
for Wales have issued statements condemning these atrocious attacks. | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
The First Minister of Northern Ireland, Arlene Foster, has remained | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
silent. From the DUP, she has said nothing. That is a disgrace and she | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
should apologise and issue a statement immediately. Thank you for | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
coming on the programme, Patrick and Rachel, who will be at that vigil | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
tonight. And to our friends in the USA. John Paul, Kelly, Robert, Paul | :42:54. | :43:02. | |
and the chair of the Muslim community centres. Thank you for | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
coming on the programme and we appreciate your time. | :43:06. | :43:13. | |
Staff in betting shops say they're being told to offer customers perks | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
and incentives to keep them playing on controversial high | :43:17. | :43:18. | |
stakes betting machines, an investigation for this | :43:19. | :43:20. | |
Managers claim they're told to offer free bets, | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
and in one case it was suggested lunch was bought | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
for a high-spending customer so he could keep playing | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
The industry says it takes responsible gambling seriously | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
and has procedures in place to identify and support anyone | :43:32. | :43:33. | |
They say they're the safer, responsible side of gambling. | :43:34. | :43:44. | |
There are now 9000 high street bookmakers in the UK. | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
Are they doing enough to protect their staff? | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
Machine gamblers, when they lose, can be quite aggressive. | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
In 20 years of being in the betting shops, I've never had anybody come | :43:54. | :44:02. | |
to me and say, "Do you think you're gambling too much today?" | :44:03. | :44:09. | |
We've been speaking to people who work in the betting | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
industry about all this, about how their jobs have changed, | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
and about the pressure they now feel to make as much money as possible | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
If you know someone's got an addictive personality, | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
you can guarantee they will be spending a lot of money. | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
On one of my first days, I was only 19, I asked somebody | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
So why are we speaking to people who say they've received | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
I can't answer that, but if you speak to our operators, | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
they've trained every member of staff in responsible gambling. | :44:41. | :44:54. | |
I'm pretty passionate about this topic! | :44:55. | :45:04. | |
Tony Franklin has had a problem with gambling since he was a child. | :45:05. | :45:13. | |
He'd managed to stay out of the bookies for a year, | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
then one afternoon 18 months ago he went back in again. | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
I was in that hairdressers over the road, and I don't know | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
I thought, "Oh, go on, what's the harm? | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
I fed in what I had in my wallet, which I think was about ?90, | :45:32. | :45:39. | |
then I came out, took some money out of the cashpoint, | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
and at this point I was totally devastated and just completely | :45:44. | :45:46. | |
caught up in the gambling, in a red mist is probably the best | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
way to describe it, or fog, and I just went to the counter | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
I lost that in the space of a few minutes. | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
Then another 1000, until I had no more money in my bank account. | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
How did you feel after losing that? | :46:03. | :46:03. | |
At this point, the plan was still for my wife and child | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
to come and live here in this country with me. | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
I'd got a flat set up and everything ready to go, but because of that | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
relapse and because my wife realised I was still very much | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
in the gambling, the addiction was there... | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
Tony had a problem with all types of gambling at every bookmaker, | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
but that day he was on a fixed-odd betting terminal, or FOBT, | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
the controversial touch-screen machines that let you stake up | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
to ?100 a spin on casino games like roulette. | :46:42. | :46:50. | |
Here's ?500, then eight minutes later another ?1000 | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
He's still fighting a gambling problem. | :46:53. | :46:59. | |
He still keeps his receipts from that day in his | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
In 20 years of being in the betting shops, I've never had | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
anybody come to me and say, "Do you think you're gambling | :47:07. | :47:08. | |
Or enquiring as to where I'm getting the sums of money that I put | :47:09. | :47:18. | |
And bearing in mind I've lost thousands in these sessions | :47:19. | :47:28. | |
on numerous occasions, that is quite shocking | :47:29. | :47:30. | |
These messages that come on the screen every so often, | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
"Yhe pop-ups that say, you've spent so much money | :47:35. | :47:36. | |
in so many minutes," I'll just hammer the button to get rid | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
Some people, Tony, are still going to think this | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
is about personal responsibility, no-one is putting a gun | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
against your head and asking you to go into a betting shop? | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
It is an addiction in the same way as alcohol and drug addiction. | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
It's very hard to understand what goes on in someone | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
else's head if you don't have the direct experience. | :47:54. | :47:55. | |
Tony is now banned from every Coral shop for his own protection. | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
The firm told us it doesn't target vulnerable players and said its | :47:59. | :48:01. | |
staff receive comprehensive training to assist with the identification | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
of customers who may be experiencing difficulties. | :48:06. | :48:08. | |
Over the last five years, the betting industry has grown. | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
Takings are up as more people use online sites and mobile apps. | :48:12. | :48:18. | |
At the same time, the overall level of problem gambling has remained | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
at around one in every 200 of the population, | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
though the industry's critics question how reliable | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
And then there are all those stories about bookies taking | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
In fact, the number of betting shops has stayed constant, roughly 9000. | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
Critics say the problem is when they are clustered together | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
Here, for example, you have got BetFred, | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
On one street in east London there are not one | :48:46. | :48:52. | |
but two Paddy Powers, a Coral, another BetFred, | :48:53. | :48:54. | |
another Paddy Power, a Ladbrokes, William Hill, another BetFred. | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
And finally, ten minutes walk later from the bottom, | :48:59. | :49:00. | |
I believe the betting shop is the safest environment. | :49:01. | :49:08. | |
The worst environment that could be created would be to go | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
back to pre-1960s, and illegal bookmakers. | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
Malcolm George speaks for most of the near 9000 high | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
Those are dangerous environments and I think the bookmakers provide | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
some of the best and safest places for someone to gamble. | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
But bookmakers, like the rest of the industry, have changed. | :49:32. | :49:33. | |
Shops are now very different places than they were a decade or so ago. | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
My first 30 years, it was just was racing and dog racing. | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
One or two customers were problematic with their gambling, | :49:42. | :49:43. | |
but you're talking probably ten in 30 years. | :49:44. | :49:51. | |
John, not his real name, was, until very recently, | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
a manager at Coral, one of the big four chains. | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
He still has connections to the industry so doesn't | :49:58. | :49:59. | |
In the last ten years, when the machines came in, | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
They seemed to have a lot more problems, they got more aggressive. | :50:06. | :50:12. | |
Fixed-odd betting terminals are big money to the big chains. | :50:13. | :50:14. | |
Each machine makes ?1000 a week before taxes and costs | :50:15. | :50:18. | |
Under the current rules, each shop can have a maximum of four. | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
The problem is roulette, they can stick ?100. | :50:26. | :50:33. | |
The problem is roulette, they can stake ?100. | :50:34. | :50:35. | |
Not that many people do, in all fairness, but they can stake | :50:36. | :50:38. | |
We spoke to another two store managers who still work | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
Both talked about the pressure they feel to hit financial targets | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
One passed us internal e-mails he was sent from Coral's central | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
operations department about a new FOBT game called Big Banker. | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
"Smashing your targets: Ensure your team has | :50:57. | :50:58. | |
identified your target key customers to demonstrate our | :50:59. | :50:59. | |
Offer a demo to all of your machine customers to whet their appetite, | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
then encourage them to play with their own money. | :51:05. | :51:06. | |
Once you have identified your target customers, it often helps | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
when you use a hook to encourage them to play. | :51:10. | :51:17. | |
"You like Big Banker, do you have our bonus card yet? | :51:18. | :51:27. | |
It's quick, it's easy, and it's free." | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
In a statement, Coral said: "Recent health surveys | :51:30. | :51:31. | |
show that problem gambling rates have fallen since the introduction | :51:32. | :51:33. | |
of FOBTs, and the average Coral customer's loss | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
The introduction of supervised stakes above ?50 last year has led | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
to a 70% reduction in stakes above that level." | :51:40. | :51:41. | |
John also spoke about the special treatment he felt FOBT | :51:42. | :51:44. | |
We were given instructions, machine players, as soon | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
as they come in, tea, coffee, whatever they want. | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
Were you encouraged to make machine players in particular feel | :51:51. | :51:52. | |
If the shop was too hot for them, we had to turn the heating down, | :51:53. | :52:03. | |
They were the gods of the betting shop. | :52:04. | :52:11. | |
There was a suggestion from the area manager at one time, | :52:12. | :52:13. | |
if we had a customer coming in in their lunch hour, | :52:14. | :52:16. | |
to make sure they didn't waste time getting a cheese and ham roll | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
instead of playing the machines that you could go out there, | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
buy them a cheese and ham roll and get it ready for them. | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
Were there certain financial targets which shops were expected to meet | :52:28. | :52:29. | |
You had to make your machine target, and if you did you were guaranteed | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
I know another firm based the whole wage on how much money | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
So there was every incentive for the staff to encourage people. | :52:41. | :52:48. | |
Coral told us it rejects the allegations made by the BBC. | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
It went on to say that, "Coral takes its commitment to responsible | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
gambling extremely seriously and has strengthened protection | :52:57. | :52:58. | |
for all its customers, providing help and support | :52:59. | :53:00. | |
for the very small minority that may have issues with their | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
Training, tools and processes are in place throughout the business | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
to ensure that potential problem gamblers are identified | :53:09. | :53:10. | |
What we've seen in the bookmaking sector... | :53:11. | :53:18. | |
We showed the e-mails to Matt from the pressure | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
He became hooked on FOBTs as a teenager, losing ?16,000 | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
I think it shows, really, that self-regulation doesn't work | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
and, like any business, the primary objective | :53:31. | :53:32. | |
The issue with the machines is, first of all, they shouldn't be | :53:33. | :53:41. | |
allowed in betting shops because betting shops should be | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
places for bookmaking, so the fact that they're trying | :53:45. | :53:46. | |
to push these machines, which is not their primary | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
activity, is a concern and it rings alarm bells. | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
The industry's critics worry that staff are under pressure to hit | :53:55. | :53:57. | |
At the same time, they're being asked to weed out | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
Under the industry's own code of conduct, | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
all staff are meant to be trained to identify problem gamblers, | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
but we were told it doesn't always happen. | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
One, a woman in her 20s who doesn't work for Coral, told us... | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
All we have is a leaflet, we're told to give them out | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
But working on your own at night makes it extremely hard | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
to speak to customers who are extremely frustrated. | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
The people we've spoken to seemed to suggest, | :54:31. | :54:32. | |
who work on the shop floor, that that training doesn't always | :54:33. | :54:34. | |
cascade down to the people who are working at 7pm, | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
It's absolutely the case that anyone joining and working in a betting | :54:38. | :54:44. | |
shop will receive training about problem gambling. | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
So why are we speaking to people who say they received no | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
I can't answer that, but if you speak to our operators, | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
they train every member of staff in responsible gambling. | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
An undercover investigation for the BBC's panorama programme | :55:03. | :55:04. | |
also linked FOBT machines to violence. | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
The staff we spoke to said their jobs had become more | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
Has it changed the environment for people working in companies? | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
Machine gamblers, when they lose, can be quite aggressive | :55:17. | :55:19. | |
I've known machines smashed up before now. | :55:20. | :55:26. | |
Incidentally, even though I knew the guy, I knew his address, | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
I said to my boss, did we want to go to the police? | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
He said, "We don't want to involve the police." | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
It is Coral's company policy to report all acts of aggression | :55:39. | :55:41. | |
The firm said: "It is simply untrue to link problem gambling | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
or aggressive behaviour to gaming machines." | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
Staff at other chains also told us that safety was a concern. | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
The same female shop worker we heard from earlier said... | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
Those machines are the worst thing that ever happened. | :55:59. | :56:00. | |
On one of my first days, I was only 19, I asked somebody | :56:01. | :56:03. | |
I had a customer screaming when we tried to close last Sunday, | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
My area manager said, "He's a big spender, | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
Compared to the retailers on the high street, actually betting | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
shops don't appear to receive more crime than other sectors. | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
But is that because staff are encouraged not to go | :56:23. | :56:24. | |
That is not the policy for any of my members, and we would not | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
Betting shops, though, are under pressure to do more. | :56:31. | :56:37. | |
A Parliamentary inquiry starts next month, local councils have been | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
The industry may have to make changes before it is forced to. | :56:41. | :56:49. | |
We began looking at the story after some of you got in touch | :56:50. | :56:56. | |
with us to tell us your experience of working in betting shops. | :56:57. | :56:58. | |
If you've got a story you think we should be covering, | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
A techeser says, "Being an ex-betting shop manager, I can | :57:02. | :57:19. | |
confirm that the incentives to customers are true, free bets, | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
refreshments etcetera and machine tournaments with the free machine | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
play if you win the tournament." That's why betting shops are open | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
from 8am until 10pm as well. Most comments today are from you are | :57:33. | :57:40. | |
about the shootings in Orlando. This e-mail from Xenia, "I don't know why | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
it is acceptable to hate people because of their sexual ylt. It is | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
not acceptable to hate people because of their race. There are so | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
many who would want to take the pride from us. It is saddening and | :57:57. | :57:59. | |
sickening to hear about the shootings." Mohamed says, "I am a | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
gay man who couldn't be myself. I'm an Iranian and I have been living | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
here in the UK for five years where I have never been insulted because | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
of being gay. We all deserve a life." Martin tweets this, "The | :58:13. | :58:20. | |
Pulse shooting is not just an attack on the LGBT community, but an attack | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
on everyone's freedom to live as we wish." Michelle tweets this, "I | :58:24. | :58:32. | |
cannot be what I am not. I am a proud, trans woman." Another viewer | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
says, "The Orlando shooting hits home for me as I have a gay brother. | :58:37. | :58:43. | |
It makes me sick to think that someone would attack someone in a | :58:44. | :58:46. | |
safe space of acceptancemed I can only hope for mercy on the souls of | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
the victims and strength for their loved ones." Thank you for those. | :58:51. | :58:55. | |
We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment. Before that, | :58:56. | :58:58. | |
here is the weather. Here is Phil Avery. | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
A glorious start to the day for some, but and there had to be a but! | :59:03. | :59:11. | |
It is a different kettle of fish across the north-east of England, | :59:12. | :59:14. | |
south-east Scotland, murky fair, and it is likely to stay that way for | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
the greater part of the day. We are dominated by an area of low | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
pressure. This is going to be the pattern that we will see repeated | :59:22. | :59:24. | |
through on to the middle part of the week and qate a variety in there as | :59:25. | :59:28. | |
was the case at the weekend. There is the possibility still of some | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
heavy and thundery downpours. For some of you, fairly laden skies, the | :59:33. | :59:38. | |
odd drib and drab of drizzly rain passing through on what breeze there | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
is. It is not like that everywhere, the north-eastern quarter of | :59:42. | :59:43. | |
Scotland faring nicely today. I urge you to make the most of it. North | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
Western Scotlandks one or two patchy showers. But then from Northern | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
Ireland, to the north of England, south-western Scotland, on towards | :59:53. | :59:55. | |
Eastern England, this is the zone come mid-an that we could see some | :59:56. | :59:59. | |
of the heaviest downpours. Across the south-western quarter of the | :00:00. | :00:01. | |
British Isles, here after a dank start, a little bit of brightness | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
coming through, but that may spurn one or two showers. None of which | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
makes pleasant hearing if you are aide concerned about the last day of | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
Test match between England or Sri Lanka. There will be | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
interpretations. The heaviest of the showers likely to rumble on and then | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
we will see a residue of patchy rain across Northern Ireland and Northern | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
England. Some rain getting into the north-eastern quarter of Scotland. | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
It will be a close night across central and southern parts of the | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
British Isles. And then, here we go again, Tuesday, the real change is | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
for that northern part of Scotland, much, much dank affair than was the | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
the case today. In the afternoon, there will be heat. Wales, perhaps | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
the North Midlands and the north of England. Some brightness coming | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
through. If you get that and avoid some of the showers, well 18 | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
Celsius, 19 Celsius, 20 Celsius could be yours. It isn't wall to | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
wall mystery, but here we are on Wednesday. Still that low pressure | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
anchored across the British Isles and that's going to be a real | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
concern because that will keep those showers going for the greater part | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
of England and Wales, and Northern Ireland. I think by that stage for | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
the northern part of Scotland, something fresher as the isobars | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
come in from the north-east and you may start to lose some of that rain | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
at least. And then by Thursday, those showers tending to congregate | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
across the southern half of the British Isles. Further north, a | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
drier, if fresher prospect there and Welcome to the programme | :01:33. | :01:44. | |
if you've just joined us. Coming up: The world is trying to | :01:45. | :01:57. | |
come to terms with the deadliest shooting in US history. 50 people | :01:58. | :02:05. | |
enjoying a night out at a Florida gay club are dead in an attack that | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
targeted them because of their sexuality. Nobody can tell me where | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
my son is, if he has been shot, if he is dead, nobody knows. They told | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
me there are fatalities. The gunman had sworn allegiance | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
to so-called Islamic State. The FBI interviewed him 3 times | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
as a possible terror The FBI first became aware of Omar | :02:26. | :02:36. | |
Mateen in 2013 when he made inflammatory allegations to | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
co-workers alleging terrorist ties. The FBI thoroughly investigated the | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
matter, including interviews of witnesses, physical surveillance and | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
records checks. In the course of investigation, Mateen was | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
interviewed twice. In the next few minutes we will talk to the cousin | :02:54. | :02:54. | |
of one of those murdered. Also this morning: Staff in betting | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
shops have told this programme they're expected to offer customers | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
perks and incentives to keep them playing on controversial | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
high-stakes betting machines. There was a suggestion from the area | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
manager at one time if we had a customer coming in in their lunch | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
hour, to make sure they didn't waste time getting a cheese and ham roll | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
instead of playing the machines, that you could go out there, buy | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
them a cheese and ham roll, and get it ready for them. We will speak to | :03:21. | :03:28. | |
a gambling addict who lost ?200,000 on fixed odds betting terminals. | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
With just two weeks to go before the EU referendum, we will put questions | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
to truly independent and impartial experts. Now a round-up of the | :03:39. | :03:51. | |
morning news with Joanna. Thank you. The FBI said the gunman who carried | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
out the worst mass shooting in US history had been investigated for | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
possible terrorism expert agents concluded he was not a threat. Omar | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
Mateen, a US citizen of Afghan descent, phoned the emergency | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
services to pledge allegiance to Islamic State before killing 50 | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
people in a gay nightclub in Orlando. His father said he had no | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
idea his son had such a twit in his heart. President Obama killed the | :04:16. | :04:23. | |
killings and act of terror and hate. -- had such hatred in his heart. | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
Omar Mateen was described by the President as a person | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
Born in New York, the 29-year-old travelled to Orlando to a gay club | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
The shots from his assault rifle killed 50 people, | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
He took dozens of clubbers hostage for hours, before police | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
They shot him before he could do more harm. | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
His ex-wife says she too suffered at his hands. | :04:48. | :04:59. | |
Yeah, he was very short tempered, and he would often get into fights | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
And because I guess I was the only one in his life, most | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
of the violence was towards me at that time. | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
Police are still identifying his many victims. | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
Relatives and survivors searched hospitals hoping for some good news. | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
He works at Universal and I'm just hoping we find him. | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
I could smell the ammo in the air, and I thought, this is a gun, | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
this isn't fireworks, we need to leave. | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
As the investigation continues, there are several words that sum | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
This is a city trying to make sense of the senseless, | :05:28. | :05:37. | |
and they are doing it in their own way. | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
Hundreds of people queued for hours to donate blood to help those | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
in hospital, a small act of kindness that gave Orlando a glimpse | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
of humanity at its best, after it had seen its very worst. | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
In Orlando, the city's authorities have started to release | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
Gathering together, families hoping for good news or fearing the worst. | :05:59. | :06:10. | |
But the fate of some of the victims is clear. | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
34-year-old Edward Sotomayer Junior died in the attack. | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
His cousin David said he was a caring, energetic man. | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
He was known for wearing a silly top hat on cruises. | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
Stanley Almodovar also killed at the age of 23, | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
described as kind but sassy and proud of who he was. | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
His mother, Rosalie Ramos, said he posted a video of himself | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
And 22-year-old Luis Vielma lost his life during the mass shooting. | :06:36. | :06:45. | |
But some were more lucky and managed to escape. | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
You hear what sounds like fireworks and balloons popping, | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
and you assume it's part of the show, and then you hear | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
people start screaming, and the sound doesn't stop, | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
and people start falling, and you realise it's not | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
And at that point I realised I needed to get out. | :07:02. | :07:10. | |
The extent of this attack is still unfolding as the number of people | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
killed may still rise. Oscar Pistorius is in court this | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
morning to face sentencing for the murder of his girlfriend | :07:17. | :07:24. | |
Reeva Steenkamp three years ago. The athlete was | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
previously charged with manslaughter, but that was | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
overturned and changed The Paralympic gold medallist | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
is facing a minimum 15-year A short while ago, a clinical | :07:32. | :07:48. | |
psychologist for the defence gave a statement of the athlete's state of | :07:49. | :07:58. | |
health and ability to give evidence. He appeared to have limited energy | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
and his concentration wavered. He had no perceptual disturbances. He | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
displayed signs and reported symptoms of post-traumatic stress | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
disorder, anxiety disorder and depressive disorder. If it was | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
possible to call him as a witness, what is your view of his state of | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
mind? In my opinion, he is not able to testify. His condition is severe. | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
That is a summary of the latest news and I will be back at 10:30am. Thank | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
you. Some comments from you at this point from Orlando. This from Becky, | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
as part of the LGBT, I am here, I am not going anywhere, I am proud of | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
who I am. And Mark, the owner of a LGBT venue in London, it is with | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
sadness and anger that I watched this unfold. We have warned our | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
police fear of constant issues regarding illicit venue visits and | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
the venue being approached by specific groups of people. Maybe | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
they will take seriously now. These are shocking, sad times. Do get in | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
touch with us throughout the morning. If you are texting, you | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
will be charged at the standard network rate. Now the sport with | :09:11. | :09:20. | |
Sally. No? Yes! Hello. Yes, it is me, life in Paris this morning. It | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
is worth showing everybody at home Le Figaro this morning, which has | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
done an analysis of the trouble over the weekend. We have seen a lot on | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
television and in the newspapers about the violence in Marseille | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
particularly on Saturday which was very bad, which is when it flared | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
up. There is a double page spread in this newspaper, analysing what went | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
wrong, talking about the English fans, but really interestingly, full | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
analysis of what happened inside the stadium and laying the blame very | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
firmly at Russian fans, who were brutal, behaving in a brutal way, | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
and racist actions as well. Also raising questions about the style of | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
policing here, how it is being managed, and actually saying that in | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
terms of English hooliganism, the British police have really got a | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
handle on that now. In terms of Premier League matches, it simply | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
doesn't happen so much. You can see scenes of French police, a high | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
profile presence of the French police and the army on the streets, | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
and roads closed everywhere. Their approach to managing football crowds | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
is very different to the way it is at home. That is something the fans | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
are getting used to. On the field, there was disappointment for fans of | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
Northern Ireland. They lost 1-0 to Poland yesterday, meaning that Wales | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
are now the only home nation to have registered a victory from their | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
opening game, meaning Thursday's huge match against England becomes | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
even more significant. Hywel Griffith has been following the | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
Welsh team and joins me now from Dinard, the Welsh camp. What is the | :10:56. | :11:04. | |
very latest from training today? Well, they are training here at the | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
moment, as you can see. Everybody in buoyant mood. All the players who | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
played in that historic game on Saturday have come through | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
unscathed. Wayne Hennessey, the keeper, who sat out the game on | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
Saturday because of a back spasm, we are told he will hopefully be fit | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
and well for that game on Thursday against England. Everybody here is | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
buoyant. They enjoyed that historic moment but the focus has got to be | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
on England and that game. The players will be familiar with the | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
challenge ahead. They will play day-to-day football some of them | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
with their opponents, but they will have to take this challenge | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
seriously. They go in with the wind behind them, knowing England are | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
under pressure from the media, and it is England with only one point. | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
Wales group leaders at the moment but they will be under no illusions | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
that it will be a very tough test. The rivalry between Wales and | :11:59. | :12:00. | |
England is building up as the week goes on with Roy Hodgson saying that | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
Gareth Bale is disrespectful to say that the Welsh have more pride and | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
passion than the English. How are they handling the extra pressure | :12:09. | :12:16. | |
that this match is going to bring? I think arguably they took a heap | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
pressure of themselves by winning that opening game three points in | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
the bag already and two points to go. I will say this quietly at the | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
moment, even if they do not beat England, they have a good chance of | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
going through the group. That has taken pressure off. This morning we | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
are seeing laughter and smiles, which gives you an impression of how | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
they are enjoying the tournament so far. Of course they will be up for | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
it. You expect this type of discussion before a game about Wales | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
having more passion and pride. They may not have the numbers of English | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
fans, but they will go in, singing their hearts out on Thursday. Lovely | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
to talk to you. Be careful what you say because you never know who is | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
listening! A promising day of football ahead today. Republic of | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
Ireland play Sweden in Paris and that game is live on BBC One at five | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
o'clock tonight. Italy against Belgium is also on BBC at eight | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
o'clock. Before those two games, Spain play the Czech Republic. An | :13:15. | :13:16. | |
exciting day ahead. Thank you. The FBI has said the gunman who shot | :13:17. | :13:25. | |
dead 50 people at a gay nightclub in Florida was investigated | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
for possible terrorism links, but officials concluded | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
he didn't pose a threat. Omar Mateen carried out the worst | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
mass shooting in modern US history in the early hours | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
of yesterday morning. President Obama has called | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
it an act of terror Some of the people were able | :13:41. | :13:42. | |
to text their relatives One mother, Mina Justice, | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
says her son texted, "Mommy I love you - | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
in club, they shooting", then "he has us and he's | :13:55. | :14:08. | |
going to kill us." "Call them | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
mommy", "he's coming" And that she said was it, | :14:11. | :14:11. | |
she heard no more from her son. Many of the victims have yet to be | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
identified, but details are emerging of some of those | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
who were slaughtered by Omar Mateen, a man who had sworn allegiance | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
to so-called Islamic-State and was deliberately | :14:22. | :14:23. | |
targetting gay people. 22-year-old Juan Ramon | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
Guerrero had only He was worried about | :14:26. | :14:26. | |
how they'd react. As it turned out they were accepting | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
and just wanted him to be happy. Now they're coming to terms | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
with the fact that their son has 23-year-old Stanley Almodovar posted | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
a Snapchat video of himself singing and laughing on his way | :14:37. | :14:49. | |
to the Pulse club. His mother had prepared a tomato | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
and cheese dip for him to eat His mother described him as kind, | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
but sassy and someone 37-year-old Kimberly Morris worked | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
as a bouncer at the club. She'd only moved there | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
a few months ago. Everyone says she was | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
a kind, sweet person. One friend said, "I can't think | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
of a time when I did not see a smile 34-year-old Edward Sotomayor | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
is described as a caring, His cousin David Sotomayor says, | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
"He was just always part We can talk to David Sotomayor now | :15:20. | :15:27. | |
who's cousin, Edward Sotomayor, known as Eddie, was | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
killed in the attack. We will also speak to a human rights | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
activist. Tell us about your cousin, Eddie. | :15:42. | :16:01. | |
Hello. Hello. Hi, can you hear me, David? I can | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
hear you now. I hear you now. Thank you very much for talking to us at | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
this time. I really appreciate you giving us a couple of minutes and I | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
wonder if you could tell us about your cousin. Tell us what he was | :16:14. | :16:22. | |
like. My cousin was an amazing person. There are tens of thousands | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
of people who got the privilege of meeting. I got to meet him a decade | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
ago. I didn't know my New York family at that time. I was | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
privileged to perform in Florida where I met him and we tried to | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
figure out our family tree and we just realised, it didn't matter, we | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
were cousins and since that day, we always kept in touch and just been | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
amazing and he had the privilege to work with one of the cruises I | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
worked with and from there, he got to meet so many of my sisters. He | :17:00. | :17:12. | |
was just amazing. His top hat, he his gimmick was with his top hat and | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
outside of a cruise, outside of anything, everybody knew his top hat | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
and knew his personality. He was amazing. It is just a sad day right | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
now. I'm just so glad that I came out. I honestly came out to come to | :17:27. | :17:37. | |
one of the organisations to raise funds for this miserable, event that | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
just happened and honestly, to see all the people out here, everybody | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
making such an effort to make it known and know that it's, it was a | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
horrible moment, but I know my cousin Eddie would not want me to | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
stay at home and cry, but come out and fight. And still make sure that | :17:57. | :18:07. | |
everybody out here be proud. I'm here. I miss him. I can't believe | :18:08. | :18:16. | |
that something so hateful, to such a great person happened. How do you | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
react to the fact that it appears your cousin was killed along with 49 | :18:22. | :18:30. | |
others because of their sexuality? Well, the thing was that I heard | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
there was a shooting. I'm from Chicago. There is so much chaos that | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
happens here and I heard and I called a couple of friends to see if | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
they were OK and I woke up this morning and I found out that my | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
cousin was one of the victims and that's when everything just shot out | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
and went crazy and I didn't get on the news. I didn't know anything. It | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
wasn't until I was in the cab that I heard on the news all the | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
affiliation and everything that happened which, it... I mean, you | :19:02. | :19:09. | |
can imagine, how horrible that felt and knowing that my fans and it | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
brought out light to a lot of people that are following, it makes me | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
realise if I have a name, I need to make sure that things need to be | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
changed and have a voice for the community because honestly, he was | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
amazing. Anybody that knew him, knows that he had no problem. He was | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
always that person to make you smile and make sure you are doing | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
positivity. I have been out here all day and I will continue to strive | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
forward and continue to make sure that I make this happen. And be a | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
voice because if I have a voice now, I'm going to make sure that we know | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
that we cannot stay silent and we have to stand strong and be proud. | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
We're not going to let this happen. We are going to still celebrate | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
Pride and we are going to be happy for who we are because we have gone | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
through too much to let something so ignorant and so stupid stop us. | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
David, you are displaying remarkable strength and stowism. I want to | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
introduce you to my guest in London, Peter who is a Human Rights activist | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
who campaigns to stop hate crime against gay people. I'm sure first | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
of all you would want to express your condolences to our friend in | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
Chicago? Absolutely, you know, my heartfelt condolences to all the | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
loved ones of those who died. And my thanks to people who are standing up | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
tall and proud this day to say that LGBT people won't go away, we won't | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
be bowed down, the love about triumph over hate. I'm glad to have | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
so many people, sending love and support, but there were so many | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
other victims that need to know that. The pain is not just here and | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
it is not just... We need to make this known. We need to stand up for | :21:04. | :21:12. | |
this. I speak to all of you. Reach out to me and let me know how I can | :21:13. | :21:20. | |
lend a hand. Be out there and open. I'm standing here today saying I | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
need your help and I want your help to help me spread the word that we | :21:26. | :21:33. | |
will not bow down. We are going to stand tall, stand strong and | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
continue to be proud of who we are. Tonight in London, there will | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
abvigil of solidarity in Old Compton Street Soho to stand with the | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
victims in the United States. I think to remind ourselves that | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
despite the huge gains made by LGBT people in countries like Britain and | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
the United States, still there is a violent minority of homeo fobs who | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
are prepared to hate us and sometimes even attack and kill us | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
and what happened, the massacre that happened in Orlando is a snapshot of | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
an extreme snapshot of a daily violence that LGBT people suffer | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
over the world. There are hate crimes in Britain, the United States | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
and every western country almost every day of the week. The situation | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
is even worse in countries like Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq, in | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
large parts of Africa, gay people live in constant fear of being | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
killed. The same in Central America, in Honduras, 30 plus LGBT activists | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
have been murdered by right-wing death squads. The picture is pretty | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
grim for most LGBT people around the world. This is an extreme example, | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
but there was a daily cycle of violence going on in most countries | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
around the world against the LGBT community. It is not only LGBT, it | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
is women's rights, it is everythingment we need to stop. It | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
is unnecessary. We cannot keep doing this. It makes no sense. And to lose | :23:03. | :23:12. | |
people that supported so many different rights makes no sense. It | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
makes no sense. I want to ask you Peter in particular what you think | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
the threat is to the gay community from Islamic extremists in the west? | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
Well, I think we have in terms of organised violent terrorism, we have | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
twin threats. Firstly from the far-right, neo-Nazi movement. We | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
must remember in 1999, a right-wing extremist David cope land planted a | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
bomb, in the black community in Brixton and then in the Asian | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
community in Brick Lane and then in the gay community in Soho and that | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
bomb killed three people and left many others with life changing | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
injuries. The threat of right-wing neo-Nazi extremism is there, but | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
Islamist extremism which is a version of far-right extremism. | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
These people have a path owe logical hatred of Jewish people, liberal | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
progressive mus littles and many others. So we need to be vigilant | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
and to, as mentioned, stand together in solidarity with all vulnerable | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
communities and I hope there will be increased steps to protect those | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
communities, tuckly gay, Jewish and Muslim communities against the | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
threat posed by these right-wing far-right extremists from the | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
Islamist end. You know, they are not Muslims per se, most Muslim people, | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
of course, disagree with this and we must never, ever deem onnise or | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
scapegoat the Muslim community because of an extreme action by a | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
tiny unrepresented minority. Some viewers' comments. This text from | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
Jill, "I feel it is extremely important for those of us who are | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
not gay to join hands with our peers. This ins didn't is repulsive | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
and totally unnecessary. No matter colour, creed, gender or sexual | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
preference. My support goes to all concerned. I'm a teacher and this | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
compels me to teach more equality and diversity." This text from | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
someone who doesn't leave their name, "My daughter is 14 and gay. | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
She is bullied at school and to see this just makes me sick to the | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
stomach that in such a world that there are is still such hatred | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
towards LGBT peoplement we live in a very blinkered and small-minded | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
world and my love goes to those who have lost a loved one." David, we | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
can see behind you, various tributes, various flowers, various | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
flags, I wonder if you could read some of the tributes using your | :25:46. | :25:56. | |
camera if you wouldn't mind, David. It has been an on-going tribute and | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
I am so blessed to know so many people are out there behind this | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
cause and we need to make that and we are not going to be scared, we | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
will stand out and we will celebrate our pride and we will continue | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
because that's what we're here for. We can see a sign behind you. It is | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
the white sign with the black writing, but I can't make out the | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
words. Are you able to read for us or read one of the other tributes? | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
The sign says we are a community and affected as such. Thoughts, and | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
prayers to our Orlando brothers and sisters. David, thank you very much | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
for your time. Thank you for talking to us. David, whose cousin, Eddie, | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
was killed in the attack on Saturday night in the Pulse nightclub and | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
Peter, thaup for your time as well. Vigils are being held across America | :26:47. | :27:03. | |
as the country tries to come to terms with the worst mass shooting | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
in its history. President Obama called the attack an act of terror | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
and hate. The gunman, Omar Mateen, worked as a security guard and had a | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
licence to carry a concealed weapon. What sounds like fireworks and | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
balloons popping and you assume it is part of the show and then when | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
you hear people start screaming and the sound doesn't stop and started | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
following, you realise it is not a show anymore. | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
At that point, I realised I needed to get out. | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
The French authorities have urged cities hosting Euro 2016 matches | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
to ban the sale of alcohol, in an effort to curb the violence | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
that has marred the opening days of the competition. | :27:48. | :27:49. | |
There are fears of further clashes as the tournament progresses, | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
following trouble at Saturday's 1-1 draw between England | :27:53. | :27:53. | |
The French government said nations should be held accountable | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
Meanwhile, French police have confirmed that a Northern Ireland | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
fan has died in Nice, after he fell over a rail | :28:05. | :28:06. | |
Oscar Pistorius is in court this morning to face sentencing | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, three years ago. | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
The athlete was previously charged with manslaughter, | :28:20. | :28:21. | |
but that verdict was overturned by South Africa's Supreme Court | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
The Paralympic gold medallist is facing a minimum 15-year | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
A clinical psychologist gave evidence to the court. Preoccupation | :28:30. | :28:43. | |
regarding the impending procedures, guilt and his future. He appeared to | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
have limited energy and his concentration waivered. He had no | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
perceptionual disturbances. He displayed signs and reported | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety disorder and | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
depressive disorder. If it was possible to call him as a witness, | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
what is your view on that? He is not able to TV. His condition is severe. | :29:09. | :29:20. | |
Some betting shops are offering customers perks. Some managers were | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
told to offer free bets and to bring free drinks to customers to | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
encourage them to keep on playing without a break. The industry says | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
it takes responsible gambling seriously and has procedures in | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
place to support anyone with a problem. | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
Well, that's a summary of the news. Join me for BBC News Room Live from | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
11am. A viewer tweeted, "It is breaking my | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
heart to hear stories about these decent young people who went for a | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
night out and never came out." Mika says, "God bless you all." John | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
says, "Very sad and moving reporting on the evil killings in Orlando." | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
Andrew Gray says, "Your programme is the first time since the attack that | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
the focus has been on our community and not just seeing it as a just | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
another terrorist attack." Thank you for those. Now the sport. Here is | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
Sally in Paris. Good morning, Victoria. Northern | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
Ireland have it all to do now. They have to make it through to the | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
group, out of the group stage of the European Championships after they | :30:26. | :30:27. | |
lost their opening match to Poland last night. It was only 1-0. The | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
Irish failed to register a decent shot on target and they will need to | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
improve with Ukraine and after that, the world champions, Germany still | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
to come! Those two sides played last night | :30:41. | :30:42. | |
with Germany winning 2-0. In other news, Wales's rugby tour of | :30:43. | :30:57. | |
New Zealand will have to continue without star player George North, | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
who suffered a significant hamstring injury during the defeat to the All | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
Blacks on Saturday. Lewis Hamilton continued his charge up the F1 | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
driver standings after winning yesterday's Canadian Grand Prix. He | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
finished ahead of his team-mates Nico Rosberg and is now only nine | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
points behind him in the championship. And Alex Hales fell | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
just short of his century as England set Sri Lanka in victory target of | :31:25. | :31:31. | |
362 in the third and final test at Lords. They need to take ten Sri | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
Lankan wickets today to wrap up the series 3-0. That is all the sport | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
from Paris. Back to you. Thank you. It's just 10 days until the UK | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
decides whether it wants to remain In a campaign that has lasted | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
what feels like forever we have seen a whole host of claims and counter | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
claims being pumped out from both the Leave and Remain camps, | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
but who are we to believe? Last week we brought together | :31:58. | :31:59. | |
a couple of totally independent and impartial experts in an attempt | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
to try to get some Lots of you got in touch to ask | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
for more from our experts, And with them some undecided voters | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
who want to ask them some questions. Anand Menon is Professor | :32:12. | :32:21. | |
of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at Kings College | :32:22. | :32:30. | |
and the director of their EU Will Moy is the director | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
of Full Fact, an organisation fact checking on issues | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
around the EU Referendum. And Kismet Meyon, Hannah Buchanan, | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
Anthony Olanipekun and Lubna Why should we believe you? We are | :32:44. | :32:55. | |
nonpartisan fact checking charity which has been going since 2010. We | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
don't take sides on any debate and we will be fact checking after the | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
referendum as well. We also don't take sides and we let people know | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
what the best research as to say about things so people can decide | :33:08. | :33:14. | |
themselves. First question? Around 80,000 people in the UK are homeless | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
this year. My question is what we would see if we leave. Would there | :33:20. | :33:27. | |
be more housing, less housing, with that issue get resolved, would it | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
increase? There are lots of different bits to this. This is not | :33:32. | :33:38. | |
something the EU does directly, so it is not like farming where if we | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
leave we need a new policy. It is about indirect effects. Some people | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
say we can cut down on the number of migrants and free up housing. Other | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
experts say migration will not fall that much if we leave. There is | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
that. There is a possibility according to many economists that | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
house prices might fall if we leave, but actually what we do about | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
homelessness is a matter for our government. It will depend on who is | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
in charge after we vote to leave and it will depend on how healthy the | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
economy is. If the worst predictions prove to be true and our economy | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
goes downhill after we leave, there will be less money for everything, | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
but people dispute the claims about how badly the economy will be hit. | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
Hannah, what about you? I am concerned about the NHS because all | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
of a certain the NHS has been in so many of these debates about funding | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
and patient capacity. I am really concerned about what happens if we | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
stay in, if we go out. Do I believe the facts I am told by the | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
politicians and all these people? Do I go against them? That is your | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
decision to believe them or not but what would you say about the NHS and | :34:46. | :34:53. | |
funding and capacity related to net migration? The NHS is run by the UK | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
Government, or rather the devolved governments. The NHS as England is | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
run in Westminster and in Scotland in Scotland and so on. The EU is not | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
in charge of it. They do do something like medicine regulation. | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
The head of the NHS, the chief executive, stood up on the Andrew | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
Marr Show a few weeks ago and said he thought it was an issue for the | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
NHS. He was not saying because the EU is directly in charge of the NHS. | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
You are saying that if you listen to the governor of the Bank of England, | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
that leaving would be bad for the economy, and things that are bad for | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
the economy mean less money for everything including the NHS. As far | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
as that goes, that is logical, but it is worth saying that we had a | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
recession in 2008 and the government increased the amount of money going | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
into the NHS, just barely, and at the price of less money going to | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
other things, but it does not necessarily mean that if the economy | :35:47. | :35:58. | |
goes down the NHS gets less money. Leaving certainly doesn't mean there | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
are direct effect on the NHS in terms of how it is run. That will be | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
up to the UK Government or the devolved governments after we leave | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
if we leave. And what about the staff working for the NHS who are EU | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
citizens and the number of patients needing to use the NHS who might be | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
EU citizens? That is a really good question and quite a difficult | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
question as well. We know for example that around 5% of people | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
working in the English NHS are EU citizens. We know that 5% of people | :36:20. | :36:27. | |
in England are EU citizens. We know that there have been lots of studies | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
of the impact of immigration on public services and they tend to | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
think it is a bit of a wash, actually. The difference isn't | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
massive. English immigrants to pay taxes and contribute to the economy, | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
but they also use services, and that maybe doesn't make much difference | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
overall. The problem is of course those differences are not spread | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
evenly throughout the country. In your local area you might be getting | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
pressure because of an influx of people it wasn't prepared for, in | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
schools or hospitals. And whatever else. Just because there isn't a | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
massive overall effect, doesn't mean there are not places where there is | :37:05. | :37:11. | |
a big effect. Anthony. Hello. My question is simple. How does leaving | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
of staying affect the average working class citizen who wants to | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
carry on getting on with their lives? That is broad. Do you mean | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
jobs? Everything, livelihood generally. For myself and I can | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
represent other people who don't understand what we should be | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
focusing on in this debate. We are hearing about immigration, economy, | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
but what about education and security and other things? How would | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
leaving remaining affect the average working class citizen? Nobody knows | :37:43. | :37:49. | |
holds and if we leave nobody can be certain what happens but I can tell | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
you what the two sides are saying and unpick that. On the Remain side, | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
they say working people stand to lose if we leave because the economy | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
might be small and that would mean fewer jobs. If we leave, there is a | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
study published by the national attitude of economic and social | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
research, and they said the lowest paid would be worth it. On the other | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
side, the Leave camp say that what the EU does is great for big | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
businesses and corporations and fat cats, so actually if we leave, we | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
can retard it our energy away from those people and towards ordinary | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
working people. -- we can target our energy. But you have to decide who | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
you believe because we are talking about the future and we don't know | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
what will happen in the future. But that will take time, putting that | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
energy into the working class. That would take a long time, we are | :38:39. | :38:46. | |
talking years. We are talking about the economic impact of the EU but | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
also whichever government we voted in 2020 and what they decide to do, | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
so it is as much a question at the domestic level as the referendum. I | :38:55. | :39:02. | |
have a couple of questions. From both sides we hear either that the | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
EU is the best thing that has ever happened to us and on the other side | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
it is the worst thing, it is very black and white. I think most of us | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
know, being reasonable people who can think for ourselves somewhat, we | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
know it cannot be quite as black and white as that. If we were to leave, | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
what are the pathways available to us? Is there any pathway available | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
to change the EU? Are we stuck with it? If we vote to leave, you still | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
want to change it? All of us. We don't believe the politicians who | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
say it would all be fantastic. Let's say we do vote to leave, then there | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
is a big choice that follows after that. The question is whether we | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
stay in the single market or whether we leave the single market | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
completely. If you are in the single market, which Norway is for example, | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
you are probably signed up to freedom of movement which means EU | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
citizens being able to come and go, and who are probably signed up to | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
accepting a lot of EU law, not all of it, and you are probably signed | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
up to playing some money into the EU system in some way or other. Norway | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
is involved in EU lawmaking in a consultative way. They have | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
discussions about the laws that might affect it but they don't have | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
a vote on them. You might have that kind of relationship and the | :40:24. | :40:31. | |
government would handle that for us. If we leave altogether, then you are | :40:32. | :40:33. | |
lobbying completely from the outside, just as we do with any | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
other group of countries outside the UK. If we remain, how can we change | :40:38. | :40:47. | |
it? You are the expert here. Thanks. If we remain and retain our seat on | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
the table, we get a vote on everything. All EU laws have to be | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
approved by governments, so the government gets a vote. There are | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
lots of things on the government agenda at the moment that we will | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
like. Opening up a digital market so we can buy and sell online more | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
easily and being in will give us a say over that. The other thing you | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
can do if you stay in is stopping things you don't like. There has | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
been rumour-mongering about anti-EU armoury -- and EU army. You say that | :41:19. | :41:27. | |
but I don't feel like I have any say over Europe. They make laws for us | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
and we don't get a chance to vote on who they are. This is where I | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
sympathise with you. What is the impact on my life going to be? You | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
get big overall numbers on how it will affect the economy, but nobody | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
translates that into what it means if I live here, if I have this job, | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
I do this with my life. On lawmaking, the process he is | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
describing is whether the government is talking to other governments, and | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
that is not a process that is very close to us. They do it on our | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
behalf and we don't have a direct say. The Council of ministers is one | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
minister from each of the countries in the EU talking about what should | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
happen and signing off on laws. That can feel very distant from your | :42:18. | :42:24. | |
day-to-day lives. Actually translating that is difficult. We | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
don't have time now but we can bring you back. Can we talk afterwards? | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
Yes! We have ten days to go, so obviously we will be returning to | :42:38. | :42:44. | |
it. We want to talk about the Human Rights Act. I promise we will come | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
to that but not now, so it looks like you guys are coming back. The | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
Labour MP Stephen Kinnock will be answering your questions at 11:30am | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
on the BBC News Channel. You can get in touch: | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
Staff in betting shops have told this programme they're being told | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
to offer customers perks and incentives to keep them playing | :43:06. | :43:07. | |
on controversial high stakes betting machines. | :43:08. | :43:09. | |
Managers claim they're told to offer free bets, | :43:10. | :43:11. | |
And, in one case, it was suggested lunch was bought for a high spending | :43:12. | :43:18. | |
customer so he could keep playing without a break. | :43:19. | :43:20. | |
The industry says it takes responsible gambling seriously | :43:21. | :43:22. | |
and has procedures in place to catch and support anyone with a problem. | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
We brought you Jim Reed's full report earlier in the programme. | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
The betting industry has been growing fast over the last few years | :43:31. | :43:38. | |
and the big chains now make big money from these fixed odd betting | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
Machines which offer electronic roulette and other casino games. | :43:42. | :43:48. | |
Under the current rules each shop can have a maximum of four. | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
The last ten years, when the machines came in, | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
They seemed to have a lot more problems. | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
John, not his real name, was until recently | :43:58. | :43:59. | |
He still has connections to the industry so doesn't | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
We were given instructions, machine players, as soon | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
as they come in, tea, coffee, whatever they want. | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
So were you encouraged to make machine players in particular feel | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
If the shop was too hot for them, we would turn the heating | :44:16. | :44:26. | |
They were the gods of the betting shop. | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
Coral told us it rejects the allegations made in this report. | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
We spoke to another two store managers | :44:34. | :44:54. | |
Both talked about the pressure they felt to hit financial targets | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
One passed us internal e-mails he was sent from Coral's central | :44:59. | :45:10. | |
It was about a new FOBT game called Big Banker. | :45:11. | :45:35. | |
We showed the e-mails to Matt Zarb-Cousin from | :45:36. | :45:37. | |
I think it shows really that self-regulation doesn't work. | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
I mean, like any business, businesses, their primary objective | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
The issue with machines is they shouldn't be allowed | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
Under the industry's own code of conduct, | :45:52. | :46:08. | |
all staff are meant to be trained to identify problem gamblers, | :46:09. | :46:10. | |
but we were told it doesn't always happen. | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
One, woman in her 20s, who does not work for Coral, | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
The people we've spoken to seemed to suggest, | :46:17. | :46:31. | |
who work on the shop floor, that the training does not | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
always cascade down to the people who are working at 7pm, 8pm, | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
It is absolutely the case that anybody joining and working | :46:38. | :46:44. | |
in a betting shop will receive training about problem gambling. | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
The worst environment that could be created would be to go | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
back to the pre-1960s, and illegal bookmakers. | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
Betting shops, though, are under pressure to do more. | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
A parliamentary inquiry starts next month. | :47:02. | :47:03. | |
Local councils have been pressing for stricter regulation. | :47:04. | :47:05. | |
The industry may have to make changes before it is forced to. | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
We can speak now to Simon Perfitt who lost ?200,000 over | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
Carolyn Harris, a Labour MP who has set-up a group of MPs to investigate | :47:14. | :47:22. | |
And Malcolm George, Chief Executive of the Association | :47:23. | :47:24. | |
Welcome all of you. Malcolm George since we played Jim's piece earlier, | :47:25. | :47:37. | |
Matt says, "I work in a bookies. We had to find ten VIP fixed odds | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
betting terminal players so they would play more." CT says, "I once | :47:43. | :47:49. | |
had a customer do 10 K in a day. The area manager called me and said well | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
done." This e-mail from Charles who uses betting shops, "I play these | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
machines and he names three different operators. One of the | :47:59. | :48:01. | |
operators, I'm offered a drink upon entry. One of the operators I'm | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
being asked to trial new games. One of the operators, the manager tries | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
to get every single person placing a bet to take on a connect card | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
because they will earn lots of bonuses and there is no logical | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
reason for not doing it." It is going on. Well, let's unbundle some | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
of the accusations. We do offer tea and coffee in our shops. They are a | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
social environment and we want our staff to interact. They are perks | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
and incentives? Tea and coffee, anyone goes in a betting shop, | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
whether you are betting on horses or greyhounds, you can have a cup of | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
tea or coffee. You compare it to any other industry. In the drinks | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
industry, they offer salty snacks that make you drink more, but in tea | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
and coffee don't influence your gambling. Instead, they allow our | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
staff to interact and that is the most important element of a betting | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
shop. What about the financial targets that staff in betting shops | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
are expected to reach. Managers at one operator get an annual bonus | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
which is dependant on various things including having to meet financial | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
targets on these particular betting terminals? Staff are incentivised to | :49:11. | :49:16. | |
encourage people to ice their shops whether it is for horses... To use | :49:17. | :49:23. | |
the fixed odds betting terminals? It may form an element of their bonus, | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
but they are encouraged to make shops, clean and tidy and places | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
people want to go. No alarm bells ringing about the targets and | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
financial incentives... Across retail... No alarm bells ringing? I | :49:37. | :49:43. | |
know how our members work. I know incentives provide a part of the | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
package of somebody working in a shop, does that create a positive | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
shop? Does that create an environment where people want to go? | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
Yes, it does. Does... Do you think it leads to addiction? No, not at | :49:55. | :50:01. | |
all. We are not, we are absolutely do not encourage addiction. Our | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
members will remove the target of somebody if they are subsequently | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
barred from a shop. So... You're frowning at most things Malcolm is | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
saying, why? That's not what I'm hearing. That's not the scenarios | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
I'm hearing. I heard the bit about being sociable and having a tea and | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
coffee, I have been told they are providing community service. There | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
are other places to go far more beneficial to the community and to | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
the individual than to a bookmakers shop where these addictive machines | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
are which are as addictive as crack cocaine. They are as addictive. And | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
it has been my experience since I've, since I've come to be an MP | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
and I've spoken to people and people have gone out of their way to | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
contact me and tell me the machines are ruining lives and in some cases, | :50:49. | :50:54. | |
taking lives. Simon, in terms of the damaging effect, your addiction to | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
these terminals has been loosing ?200,000 over ten years. What drew | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
you to them in the first place? Well, my experience is similar to | :51:04. | :51:10. | |
Tony's in the film. But it is not really about money, I suppose, it is | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
about the time you lose. The relationships that you lose. And | :51:16. | :51:21. | |
despite what Malcolm says, they are addictive machines. His own data, | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
from his own industry, which was looked at this year, found that one | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
in four people that play FOBTs are addicts. That's 25%. That's not | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
technically right, is it? The real figure is in fact, that was... I can | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
show you the report. A small group was selected specifically because | :51:47. | :51:52. | |
they were loyalty card players. A group which is not involved. Loyalty | :51:53. | :51:59. | |
card customers are not the most involved gamblers. It is probably | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
higher. Only the ones with loyalty cards are trackable or traceable. We | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
can argue about the numbers and the figures and the percentages. What is | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
interesting amongst many interesting things is that you say there is no | :52:13. | :52:19. | |
issue, it is fine? No, I am not an addiction denier, but I believe that | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
gambling addiction is multi-facetted. It can exhibit | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
itself in machines. It can exhibit itself in casinos and exhibit itself | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
in amusement arcades and if we are to focus on problem gamblers and you | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
mentioned Tony and he had a multi-facetted gambling problem. His | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
addiction started long before FOBTs. People who work in betting shops, | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
who continue to work in betting shops, you dismiss the tea and | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
coffee as a sociable thing. They feel it is encouraging people to | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
stay in the shops and spend more? Do we want to go back to some 1960s | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
environment where we are covering up the windows... No, no, they are not | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
suggesting that. They are sensible people who work in the shops say | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
these are incentre tis and perk that is we're expected to offer? Tea and | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
coffee don't encourage people to gamble, they do the opposite. They | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
allow people to take a break from their gambling and allow people to | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
interact with our staff. Removing tea and coffee is insane. It is not | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
just tea and coffee. A young man comes in on a Saturday to place a | :53:30. | :53:36. | |
football bet, and you give them a voucher for a machine for free | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
spins. You're trying to hook sports gamblers in into machine gambling | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
because you know most of your profits come from machine gambling. | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
That's a fact. They don't come from machine gambling. It is about | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
half-and-half. The point is about the free voucher, that's the point. | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
Allowing somebody to play a game or encourage somebody to play a game | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
that is no more addictive than any other activity to where he has the | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
option of a casino. He has the option of playing online. He has the | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
option of a bookmaker. That is the right... If it is such a sociable | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
and pleasant environment to be in, when the machines are getting | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
smashed up, which they are, why is it bookmaker staff told me that they | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
are not allowed to phone the police, they can phone to have the machine | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
repaired and ban the player. Any aggression in a betting shop, we | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
report it to the police. These crime numbers are down. Thank you very | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
much for coming on the programme. Thank you. | :54:36. | :54:42. | |
The gunman suspected of carrying out America's deadliest terrorist attack | :54:43. | :54:51. | |
The father of one opened fire with an assault rival and took hostages | :54:52. | :54:58. | |
before being killed by police. President Obama said the attack was | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
a reminder of how easy it was for Americans to buy guns. According to | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
the website Mass Shooting Tracker, the Orlando attack was the 176th | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
time this year in which four or more people in the US were killed or | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
injured by a single incident involving a gun. | :55:16. | :55:25. | |
Let's talk to Benjamin Brown. Benjamin Brown first of all, you | :55:26. | :55:38. | |
will have heard, of course, people saying that the gun controls have to | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
be tightened. A lot of people asking why a man who was apparently | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
mentally unstable and who had been questioned by the FBI on three | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
occasion was able to buy a handgun and assault rival in recent days? | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
Yes, I'm not sure why he was able to. That's a fault on the FBI for | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
their background check. If he was able to pass a background check, the | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
only person liable there was the FBI. If he was investigated twice in | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
the past three years, the person who sold the firearm did his job. The | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
gentleman who took the firearm and committed the crime, he is the one | :56:14. | :56:16. | |
who broke the law. We did our part to prevent as much as we could. | :56:17. | :56:24. | |
Andrew Patrick, you will have heard the cries from restricted gun | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
ownership, it never happens, is that the will of the American people? Is | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
that the powerful gun lobby? Well, we have seen a lot of success at the | :56:32. | :56:38. | |
State level over the past three years, multiple States have passed | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
universal background checks as well as stronger laws. There is a hold up | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
in Congress, but we believe that's not the way to judge this issue. | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
Congress can barely pass transportation for farm Bills much | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
less than issue like gun violence prevention. But more people were | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
involved in this issue, more people are getting involved and that will, | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
we believe, lead to a new leadership in Congress and stronger gun laws | :57:03. | :57:05. | |
for this country to prevent these type of tragedies from happening. | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
Stronger in what way? I think you can look at first of all the terror | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
gap that exists. If you were on the no fly list or the terrorist watch | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
list, you are still allowed to buy a gun. That is a travesty. Like you | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
said this gentleman was interviewed by the FBI three times, I believe, | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
still able to buy a gun. Also, the national instant background system | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
has not been funded at its proper levels. We call on Congress to fully | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
fund the system. So that the right information is in the background | :57:41. | :57:48. | |
check system and we have dangerous individuals, they are taken into | :57:49. | :57:51. | |
account when the background checks are run. | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
Benjamin, really, really briefly. What questions do you ask someone | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
who wants a z to buy a gun from you? Is this gun for you? I make them | :58:02. | :58:13. | |
sign a waiver. If you intend harming someone, don't come back. We need to | :58:14. | :58:19. | |
rewrite the gun laws. Florida had a statute in Florida says that you | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
cannot take a firearm into a nightclub or a bar. Thank you, | :58:24. | :58:25. | |
gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you for your company today. | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
Have a good day. | :58:30. | :58:31. |