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It's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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Our top story today: An act of terror targeting lesbian,

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gay, bisexual and transgender people.

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50 dead, many more critically injured, after a gunman opened fire

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Nobody can tell me where my son is. If he has been shocked... Nobody

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knows. They told me there are fit allergies. -- fatalities.

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The gunman had sworn allegiance to so-called Islamic State.

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The FBI interviewed him three times as a possible terror

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The FBI had first become aware of Omar Mateen when he made

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inflammatory, trees to co-workers alleging terrorist ties. We used

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records checks. In the course of the investigation, Omar Mateen was

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interviewed twice. Later in the programme we'll hear

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from the cousin of one Do get in touch with your reaction,

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particularly if you are gay. Also this morning: Staff in betting

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shops have told this programme they're being told to offer

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customers perks and incentives to keep them playing

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on controversial high There was a suggestion from the area

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manager at one time if we had a customer coming in in their lunch

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hour, to make sure they didn't waste time getting a cheese and ham roll

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instead of playing machines. That you could go out there, get the

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cheese and ham roll, and get it ready for them.

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And Oscar Pistorius is in court again as sentencing begins

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for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.

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Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

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and we'll keep you up to date with all the developments

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in the Orlando shooting, the worst mass shooting

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If you're getting in touch, use the hashtag VictoriaLive

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and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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Our top story today: The FBI says the gunman who carried out the worst

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mass shooting in US history had been investigated three times

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for possible terrorism links but agents concluded

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Omar Mateen, a US citizen of Afghan descent, phoned the emergency

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services to pledge allegiance to the Islamic State group,

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before killing 50 people in a gay nightclub in Orlando.

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His ex-wife has said he was mentally unstable.

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President Obama called the killings an act of terror and hate.

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Vigils have been held across the United States,

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and flags are being flown at half mast on federal buildings.

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Omar Mateen was described by the President as a person

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Born in New York, the 29-year-old travelled to Orlando to a gay club

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The shots from his assault rifle killed 50 people,

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He took dozens of clubbers hostage for hours, before police

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They shot him before he could do more harm.

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His ex-wife says she too suffered at his hands.

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Yeah, he was very short tempered, and he would often get into fights

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Because I guess I was the only one in his life, most

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of the violence was towards me at that time.

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Police are still identifying his many victims.

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Relatives and survivors searched hospitals hoping for some good news.

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He works at Universal and I'm just hoping we find him.

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I could smell the ammo in the air, and I thought, this is a gun,

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this isn't fireworks, we need to leave.

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As the investigation continues, there are several words that sum

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This is a city trying to make sense of the senseless,

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and they are doing it in their own way.

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Hundreds of people queued for hours to donate blood to help those

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in hospital, a small act of kindness that gave Orlando a glimpse

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of humanity at its best, after it had seen its very worst.

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In Orlando, the city's authorities have started to release

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Gathering together, families hoping for good news or fearing the worst.

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But the fate of some of the victims is clear.

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34-year-old Edward Sotomayer Junior died in the attack.

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His cousin David said he was a caring, energetic man.

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He was known for wearing a silly top hat on cruises.

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Stanley Almodovar also killed at the age of 23,

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described as kind but sassy and proud of who he was.

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His mother, Rosalie Ramos, said he posted a video of himself

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And 22-year-old Luis Vielma lost his life during the mass shooting.

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These are the names of the other victims confirmed by police.

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But some were more lucky and managed to escape.

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You hear what sounds like fireworks and balloons popping,

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and you assume it's part of the show, and then you hear

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people start screaming, and the sound doesn't stop,

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and people start falling, and you realise it's not

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And at that point I realised I needed to get out.

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The extent of this attack is still unfolding as the number of people

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killed may still rise. Our correspondent Laura

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Bicker is in Orlando. What more can you tell our audience

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about this man's links to Islamic State? What we do know is that

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police confirmed that he dialled 911 before he carried out the shootings.

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In that call, he pledged allegiance to the so-called Islamic State. We

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also have heard from an unofficial social media account which is linked

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to Islamic State, and in that account, they say that one of their

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fighters carried out this atrocity. That has yet to be confirmed. You

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also mentioned that he was investigated back in 2013 and in

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2014 for terrorism linked by the FBI, but that was because a

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co-Walker -- co-worker said he made inflammatory comments but the FBI

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found nothing suspicious. We have also heard from his ex-wife who

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builds up a picture of a volatile, unstable man. She seemed surprised

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when she was told that this shooting could be motivated by religious

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beliefs. It will take some time for the FBI to build a picture, to try

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to figure out what motivated this mass murder. Thank you. Laura Bicker

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reporting live from Orlando. Clearly today's programme will be dominated

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by events there. Joanna has the rest of the news from the BBC newsroom.

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The French authorities have urged cities hosting Euro 2016 matches

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to ban the sale of alcohol, in an effort to curb the violence

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that has marred the opening days of the competition.

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There are fears of further clashes as the tournament progresses,

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following trouble at Saturday's 1-1 draw between England

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The French government said nations should be held accountable

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Meanwhile, French police have confirmed that a Northern Ireland

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fan has died in Nice, in what's thought to

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The Shadow Home Secretary, Andy Burnham, will today urge MPs

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of all parties to support a so-called Hillsborough Law.

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It would ensure that bereaved families are given the same amount

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He said the Hillsborough families' long fight had shown how the odds

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were stacked against ordinary people seeking truth and justice.

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Oscar Pistorius is due in court this morning to face sentencing

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for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp three years ago.

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The athlete was previously charged with culpable homicide,

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a charge equivalent to manslaughter, but that was overturned and changed

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The Paralympic gold medallist is facing a minimum 15-year

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Some betting shop staff have reported they're being told to offer

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customers perks and incentives to keep them playing

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A BBC investigation found some managers were being told to offer

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free bets, and to bring free drinks to customers to encourage them

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The industry says it takes responsible gambling seriously

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and has procedures in place to support anyone with a problem.

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Salvage work has begun in South Korea to raise the Sewol,

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More than 300 people died in the sinking,

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The ferry is now lying more than 130 feet underwater on the sea bed.

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A Chinese company will try to put long beams under the ferry

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in an attempt to lift it to the surface without

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Relatives of the victims have put pressure on the South Korean

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government to recover the vessel so that the remains

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

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Thank you. And thanks to you for getting in touch with your reaction

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to the shootings in Orlando. Jonathan on Facebook says he cannot

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work it out. He has been awake most of the night thinking about Orlando.

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As a proud gay man who has been to Orlando and who has gay friends

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United States, why? If you are getting in touch with us this

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morning, particularly if you are going, use the hashtag and if you

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text you will be charged at your network rate. Sally is in Paris with

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the sport and the violence is taking the headlines. Yes. Isn't it

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distressing at this point in the tournament? So many nations coming

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here with high hopes and we have got to talk about violence. It has been

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happening across this country, mainly in Marseille at the weekend.

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I just want to share something that we have been reading this morning in

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the Figaro. They have a picture just before the England- Russia game in

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the centre of Marseille. It is a really interesting stance that they

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are taking on this. They are describing how an English fan was

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provoked by a local, somebody French, who was swearing at them,

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calling them names, and that is how one little pocket of trouble

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started. Interesting that the French reporting here is really very

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balanced, you have got to say, and very honest about the causes of

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parts of the trouble. This seems that we are witnessing now, what you

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are seeing on your screens now, this does not happen in the UK now

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because of the way that the government and the police have

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changed the rules regarding football matches, and the change in approach

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and style and attitude of the British police when it comes to big

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Premier League matches. This is something that they are talking very

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positively about in the French press today, suggesting it is something

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they should look at for the rest of the Euros. Shall we talk about the

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sport for a moment? The fairy tale of Northern Ireland is one everybody

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has been watching. They came into this tournament on a wave of great

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results and widespread goodwill. Thousands of fans travelled with

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them to witness their first appearance in a major tournament for

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almost three decades. If that fairy tale is going to continue, they have

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got their work cut out. Katie is following the team throughout this

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tournament and is in Nice this morning. Not a good result for them

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last night. That is right. There has been a vibrant atmosphere in Nice

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over the last couple of days but Northern Irish fans will be waking

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up this morning feeling a sense of pride in their team but also

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disappointment that they were not able to get something from the match

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against Poland. It was a 1-0 defeat, narrow on paper, but actually the

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gulf between the teams was greater, and they face an uphill

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It was a great day and a great occasion but we didn't deserve to

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win. We are still going to win and we will be there for the quarters!

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Such belief is why Northern Ireland are here in the first place. Michael

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O'Neill's sites topped the group and qualification that this was another

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step up entirely and it was clear that Michael McGovern would be busy

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early on. Resistance could only last so long. Northern Ireland have spent

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weeks getting to know Robin livered of ski, but in the end it was their

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strike partner who mattered. This approach from the captain Stephen

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Davis summed up their lack of success. We tried to get everything

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out of the game and we did not create anything of real significance

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and we have to be honest and say the better team won on the day. Northern

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Ireland leave Nice defeated but not disgraced but with Ukraine and

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Germany still to come, they will need to defy the odds once more to

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keep their European dream alive. Michael O'Neill will have to lift

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his players for that game. Germany beat Ukraine 2-0 at Michael O'Neill

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knows that he has got to beat Ukraine to avoid the prospect of

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going into that game against Germany needing to get something from it. An

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uphill challenge for Northern Ireland and that game against

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Ukraine really does feel like the group decider. I am sure it does. In

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the last hour we have had some desperately sad news about a fan who

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travelled to the south of France to watch his team. That is right.

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Details are still emerging, but this appears to be a tragic accident.

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Police have confirmed that a young Northern Ireland fan died after

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falling from the railing that lines the beach-front here, onto the stone

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beach, and landing on his head. His family have been informed. It is

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worth stressing that they suspect that this was an accidental death

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and nothing to do with any football hooliganism or any of the minor

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trouble that we saw in Nice on Saturday night. A tragic accident

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and tragic news from Nice after Northern Ireland's match against

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The Republic of Ireland play Sweden in Paris. Italy against Belgium is

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on BBC One at 8pm tonight before those two games, Spain play the

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Czech Republic. So plenty to look forward to, Victoria.

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A carefree Saturday night, hundreds of people dancing,

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laughing and enjoying life at a gay Latin night in a club in Orlando.

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All that changed in seconds just after 2am when a 29-year-old

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American and father of one walked in and began firing

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Fleeing from the scene, Anthony Torres filmed what happened.

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Look at that, they're shooting back and forth.

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Oh, my God, they're all shooting back and forth.

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We barely made it out, out of there.

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At 5am, several hours after the first shot was fired,

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heavily armed SWAT team members used an armoured vehicle to smash down

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a door at the club, clearing the way for around 30

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In total the carnage lasted three hours.

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People fled, hid in toilets, tended to the injured and wounded.

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There was a guy who got hit in the back. I took my bandanna off and put

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it on him so his blood wouldn't gush out. But he had blood everywhere and

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there was another girl got hit in the arm. I helped her, we wrapped

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it. We tried to keep her awake, but still, you could still hear the

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boom, boom, it had to be more than one person. It was just too

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continuous. Was like you were in a gun range and all you hear is bang,

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bang, bang, I can't even describe it. It was really difficult to see

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in real life a horrible situation. REPORTER: Did people realise what

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was going on? I don't think anyone knew what was going on until they

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saw people on the floor. You don't know when you are in a bar like

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that, you think it is music because there is three different places,

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there is sounds on the patio and sounds inside where the main area

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and there is another area where they were dancing, there is three

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different types of music playing at the same time. So how would you

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really know what's what? The man we now know as 29-year-old

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Omar Mateen shot people dead and held people hostage for some

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of the time and also rang 911 emergency services to pledge

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allegiance to so-called Islamic Eventually SWAT officers

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confronted him in the doorway, His father says the attack wasn't

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motivated by religion, but anger he felt when he saw

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two men kissing. He also said he never thought his

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son had "hatred in his heart". In the name of God, brave people of

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my country, I am informing you of the death of my son in the United

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States. It is a very sad moment. I would like to bring to your

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attention that my son Omar Mateen was a very good and educated boy. He

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has a wife and a child and he was very respectful of his family. I

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don't know what caused this whole thing. He was working for a company

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that had provided him with a pistol. I never figured out that he had

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hatred in his heart. He went to the gay club, shot and killed about 50

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men and women. I'm grief stricken and I have announced that to the

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people of the United States. Why he did such a thing in the holy month

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of ran dam, I don't know. The issue of homosexuality and punishment for

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that is up to God alone. This is not in the hands of human beings. What

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he has done has affected me deeply. I wanted you to know about this. May

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God guide all the young people towards the pure faith of Islam.

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The so-called Islamic State group says it was behind the attack,

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but the extent of its involvement is still not clear.

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The FBI says it had interviewed Omar Mateen three times

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as a possible terror suspect, but took no action

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because they didn't think he posed a threat.

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Meanwhile, his ex-wife says he was "mentally unstable"

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A few months after we were married I saw his instability and I saw he was

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bipolar and he would get mad out of nowhere. That's when I started

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worrying about my safety and then after a few months he started

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abusing me physically. Very often and not allow me to speak to my

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family, keeping me hostage from them. And I tried to see the good in

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him even then, but my family was very tuned into what I was going

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through and decided to me visit me and rescue me out of that situation.

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The number of people who've died so far is 50 -

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the worst mass shooting in US history.

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So far we know a little about the victims, most

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The number of people who've died so far is 50 -

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We'll tell you about some of those victims after 10am this morning,

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but many relatives are still waiting to find out of their

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I don't know where my son S no one can tell me where my son is, if he

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has been shot, if he is dead, they told me there are fatalities.

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US President Barack Obama has described the gun attack as "an act

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Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder,

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horrific massacre, of dozens of innocent people.

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We pray for the families who are grasping for answers

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We stand with the people of Orlando, who have endured a terrible

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Although it's still early in the investigation,

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we know enough to say that this was an act of terror,

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And, as Americans, we are united in grief, in outrage,

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I just finished a meeting with FBI director Comey and my

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Homeland Security and National Security advisers.

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The FBI is on the scene and leading the investigation in partnership

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I directed that the full resources of federal government be made

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In the last 24 hours, many gay Muslims from around the world have

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taken to social media to give their reaction.

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Shawn Ahmed posted saying, "I'm gay and Muslim.

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I want to tell the Muslim community the Islamophobia being spewed

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now doesn't reflect my values as a gay man".

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Raillan Brooks tweeted, "The best part of today

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is all my queer Muslim siblings finding me, and us

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And this from Samira Ahmed, "To my gay Muslim brothers

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and sisters, I see you. I hear you.

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And the hashtag, GaysBreakTheInternet

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Nearly 200,000 people have tweeted using the phrase.

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Some people have responded to the dreadful events by coming out

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Bay posted this, "After today I want to properly come out.

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And Tim Tim tweeted, "After years of being bullied

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and harassed I can finally say I love who I am

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By the way, if you're gay and have come out as a result

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of what happened on Saturday night, do let me know.

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You can tweet me @Victoria Live or send me

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Rob Demenco, a volunteer at The Centre Orlando,

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a leading charity that supports the LGBT community in the city.

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Kelly Johnson, is a gay man in Orlando.

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Rachel Kiki, is going to a vigil tonight in London for the victims

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John Paul Brammer, a Latino gay rights campaigner in New York.

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Pastor Paul Valo, from the Christ Church of Orlando,

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a church just round the corner from the nightclub -

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they've been offering front line workers food and support.

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Let's speak to Kelly and Robert. How do you respond to what happened in

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Orlando on Saturday night? Wellks we were stunned and it is just

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horrific. We were glued to the television yesterday. We're still in

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shock, disbelief actually. Orlando is such a peaceful community and to

:24:42.:24:44.

have this event occur here, there is no words.

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Is this to do with religion or to do with homophobia or both? I think

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both. Initially when the events were unfolding I thought it was perhaps

:24:59.:25:02.

somebody local, a hate crime and then when we heard there was perhaps

:25:03.:25:10.

an Isis connection to this, it is just stunning to hear a small club

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in Orlando is targeted for such an event.

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Sorry, are you Kelly, or are you Robert? I'm Kelly. Robert, let me

:25:20.:25:25.

ask you, your reaction to the events on Saturday. Hi. I just couldn't

:25:26.:25:33.

believe it. The day before Kelly and I were downtown Orlando and we were

:25:34.:25:38.

saying how safe and peaceful and open society in or land owe is and

:25:39.:25:45.

then we woke up with the horrible news, the massacre at the club. As a

:25:46.:25:50.

gay couple in Orlando, are you out and proud? Is it fine for you to

:25:51.:25:56.

walk about? Is there any any negative reaction? No, we are very

:25:57.:26:01.

involved in the community and in our particular neighbourhood, we live in

:26:02.:26:05.

a suburban area of Orlando. I happen to be the HOA president of our

:26:06.:26:10.

community and I wondered over the years if I would get negative

:26:11.:26:14.

backlash from residents because it is not always a happy fun task

:26:15.:26:19.

enforcing rules, but never, not once, not a peep. No heckling, no,

:26:20.:26:28.

nothing, no bullying, nothing. We have been treated very, very well by

:26:29.:26:31.

the peoplement Orlando is very accepting and welcoming and we love

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it here. Let me bring in Pastor Paul from the Christchurch of Orlando.

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Why has this happened? Well, I don't know that I can speak to why it

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happens, you know? Obviously, who can figure out the mind of somebody

:26:49.:26:54.

who is full of hate and maybe somebody who has some imbalance in

:26:55.:26:57.

their life. Who can figure that out? Other than the fact that we can say,

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it is our job to kind of respond afterwards and figure out what do we

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do from here and how do we help our community? How do we help the people

:27:07.:27:10.

who have been injured and that's really been the response to our

:27:11.:27:15.

church is how do we help and how do we move forward? Well, how do you

:27:16.:27:20.

bring the community together then? Well, yesterday we brought our

:27:21.:27:22.

community together. We had people that showed up at our church just,

:27:23.:27:25.

there was so many people that showed up just to help, we had pretty early

:27:26.:27:30.

made the decision that we were going to help the first responders.

:27:31.:27:34.

Obviously, they had kind of taped the area off so there wasn't a lot

:27:35.:27:38.

of traffic, but a lot of people came on foot and we had restaurants that

:27:39.:27:43.

started to offer food. Our church had food that we were able to

:27:44.:27:47.

prepare and we put it out for the first responders for the police

:27:48.:27:52.

officers, for those that were in on the extraction team and even some of

:27:53.:27:55.

our Government officials came through and we were offering a cool

:27:56.:27:59.

place for them as well as a place for them to rest, use rest rooms and

:28:00.:28:04.

get water and some food. Let me bring in John Paul. You are a

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gay rights campaigner in New York and I think, John, you are angry

:28:10.:28:14.

that most gay and by sexual men in the States are banned from giving

:28:15.:28:18.

blood to help the victims. Just tell our audience about the law in the US

:28:19.:28:23.

and why you want it changed now? Yes, I am angry about it. I wrote a

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column about it in the Guardian today. Currently, it says that gay

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and by sexual men or men who have engaged with sexual activities with

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men can give blood, but only after a year of celibacy which obviously

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excludes the vast majority of us. You could be a gay couple in a

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completely month og mus relationship and you would still have the ban.

:28:47.:28:50.

You still wouldn't be able to give blood if you've had sexual relations

:28:51.:28:54.

with your parten and with your husband in the past year. You can be

:28:55.:28:57.

in a heterosexual relationship and have as much sex as you want and

:28:58.:29:00.

have sex outside of that marriage and the rule would not apply, you

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would be able to give blood. It is just way outdated and something the

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facts don't support anymore. The medical community, the scientific

:29:10.:29:13.

community, it has all been condemned and it needs to go away. Homophobia

:29:14.:29:18.

keeps it in place. And discrimination at the best of times,

:29:19.:29:22.

but right now actually, there is a medical need for the blood of gay,

:29:23.:29:29.

sexually active men? Absolutely. You saw earlier, the huge line of people

:29:30.:29:33.

trying to give blood in Orlando and that was such a beautiful display of

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solidarity and we really need it because we can't do it ourselves

:29:37.:29:40.

because of this ban. But it really is such a tragedy that there were a

:29:41.:29:45.

lot of gay men who wanted to give blood in the wake of this awful

:29:46.:29:50.

massacre and the tragedy was compounded when they ran into more

:29:51.:29:53.

oppression, things they couldn't do. These

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against. You are chair of the American Muslim Community Centres, I

:30:02.:30:04.

wonder how anxious you are about a potential backlash against Muslim

:30:05.:30:08.

people? Good morning. There is always a possibility, but over the

:30:09.:30:17.

years we have in Orlando good relations among people of all walks

:30:18.:30:22.

of life. We constantly have open houses at our mosque. Tomorrow, we

:30:23.:30:26.

have a sharing, a Ramadan programme where we invite civic leaders,

:30:27.:30:29.

leaders of different faith communities. We have always worked

:30:30.:30:35.

with the LGBT community in central Florida. So there can always be some

:30:36.:30:42.

hate around there. We are cautious the law enforcement community has

:30:43.:30:46.

been very supportive of us without us prompting them. They have

:30:47.:30:49.

stationed a police officer by our community isn't ter and we have

:30:50.:30:54.

cautioned our community to be careful, but we are going out there

:30:55.:31:01.

in public doing blood drives and also interacting. I'm scheduled to

:31:02.:31:05.

go to the hospital this morning to meet with the families of the

:31:06.:31:11.

victims. Our hearts and prayers are with them -- our thoughts and

:31:12.:31:14.

prayers are with them. We will get through this by working with one

:31:15.:31:19.

another and not allowing hate and haters to divide us.

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I would just like to ask you for a few more minutes of your time, and

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also our guests in the studio. We want to bring our view is the news

:31:34.:31:38.

and sport and also comments from viewers around the UK listening to

:31:39.:31:41.

you speak this morning. This just in. The pride flag will fly at

:31:42.:31:47.

half-mast over the Scottish headquarters today in memory of

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those who lost their lives in Orlando. That is a treat. And this

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is. This is a reminder of the hated tax that the LGBT community suffers

:31:57.:32:01.

daily. Until that stops we will never be free. Sean has emailed

:32:02.:32:06.

this. I am a gay man aged 24 and I have been open for four years now.

:32:07.:32:11.

It is those that what has happened and I am feeling incredibly sad at

:32:12.:32:14.

this time and also scared because of the rise of aggression and attacks

:32:15.:32:20.

against the LGBT community that we have been seeing around the world.

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Jerome has tweeted this. Orlando, too easy to link the attack to

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terrorism. Homophobia exists in many sections of the UK society as well.

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And this tweet from Warren. Please attend the Soho vigil tonight. Be

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out there and be seen. These people cannot win. And Edwards says this.

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As a gay man I feel sadness about what has happened in the United

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States. My thoughts are with the friends and families of those who

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died. Please tweet us. We will talk more in a second but first the

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headlines with Joanna. At least 50 people have been

:32:55.:32:58.

killed in a gun attack Vigils are being held across the

:32:59.:33:01.

country. America is still struggling to come

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to terms with the worst mass The gunman worked as a security

:33:13.:33:23.

guard and did have a license to carry a concealed weapon. Nobody can

:33:24.:33:27.

tell me where my son is. If he has been shot, if he is dead, nobody

:33:28.:33:32.

knows. They have told me there are fatalities.

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The French authorities have urged cities hosting Euro 2016 matches

:33:38.:33:40.

to ban the sale of alcohol, in an effort to curb the violence

:33:41.:33:43.

that has marred the opening days of the competition.

:33:44.:33:45.

There are fears of further clashes as the tournament progresses,

:33:46.:33:47.

following trouble at Saturday's 1-1 draw between England

:33:48.:33:49.

The French government said nations should be held accountable

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Meanwhile, French police have confirmed that a Northern Ireland

:33:53.:33:56.

fan has died in Nice, in what's thought to

:33:57.:33:58.

Oscar Pistorius is due in court this morning to face sentencing

:33:59.:34:06.

for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp three years ago.

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The athlete was previously convicted of manslaughter.

:34:15.:34:20.

The Paralympic gold medallist is facing a minimum 15-year

:34:21.:34:25.

That is a summary of the latest BBC News. More at ten o'clock. Now the

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sport. Thank you. Here are your sporting headlines from Paris.

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Northern Ireland have it all to do to make it through the group stage

:34:40.:34:42.

of the European Championships after they lost their opening match to

:34:43.:34:46.

Poland last night. It was only 1-0 but the Irish failed to register a

:34:47.:34:51.

decent shot on target and they will need to improve with Ukraine and

:34:52.:34:54.

world champions Germany still to come. Those two sides also played

:34:55.:35:00.

last night with Germany winning 2-0. Bastian Schweinsteiger sealed the

:35:01.:35:03.

victory with his side's second in the last few minutes. In other news,

:35:04.:35:10.

Wales's rugby tour of New Zealand will have to continue without star

:35:11.:35:14.

player George North, who has suffered a significant hamstring

:35:15.:35:18.

injury during the defeat to the All Blacks on Saturday. Lewis Hamilton

:35:19.:35:23.

continues his charge up the F1 driver standings after winning the

:35:24.:35:26.

Canadian Grand Prix yesterday, finishing ahead of his team-mate

:35:27.:35:29.

Nico Rosberg. He is now only nine points behind him in the

:35:30.:35:33.

championship. At Alex Hales fell just short of a century as England

:35:34.:35:37.

set Sri Lanka a victory target of 362 in the third and final test at

:35:38.:35:42.

Lords. They need to take ten Sri Lanka wickets today to wrap up the

:35:43.:35:47.

series 3-0. That is all the sport from Paris. Thank you. Let's

:35:48.:35:54.

continue our conversation, the reaction to events in Orlando at the

:35:55.:35:58.

weekend. We have heard from Kelly and Robert, a gay couple in Orlando,

:35:59.:36:05.

who were telling us they have never had any negative reaction out and

:36:06.:36:10.

about in that state. John is a gay rights campaigner in New York and he

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is cross that most gay people are banned from giving blood to help the

:36:16.:36:18.

victims and he is calling for that band to be lifted right now. We have

:36:19.:36:23.

also heard from a pastor from the Christchurch in Orlando and the

:36:24.:36:26.

chair of the Muslim community centres. They are talking about

:36:27.:36:31.

trying to bring their communities together. With me is the LGBT editor

:36:32.:36:40.

for Buzzfeed News and also Rachel. There is a vigil in London tonight

:36:41.:36:44.

to express and show solidarity for those who have been killed in the

:36:45.:36:47.

United States. Why is that happening? The LGBT people of

:36:48.:36:55.

Britain along with many other people are deeply horrified about what has

:36:56.:37:01.

happened. First and foremost, we want to, I want to extend our

:37:02.:37:07.

deepest sympathies and solidarity with the people of Orlando, with the

:37:08.:37:13.

LGBT people of America, and indeed with all Americans. What we have

:37:14.:37:21.

seen in the last 24 hours is that hatred, terrorism, homophobia,

:37:22.:37:26.

transphobia, doesn't just affect LGBT people. It affects everyone. It

:37:27.:37:31.

is a stain on our society and on our culture. The best thing that we can

:37:32.:37:38.

do is join hands, join hands on a street in Soho, join hands across

:37:39.:37:44.

social media, join hands across country and country, between

:37:45.:37:47.

politician and citizen, between person in the closet, between out

:37:48.:37:51.

and proud person, between straight and gay. That is all we can do, to

:37:52.:37:55.

stand united against horror and terror and hatred. I want to ask

:37:56.:38:04.

you, Kelly and Robert, how you respond to Patrick absolutely

:38:05.:38:06.

expressing his love and solidarity to gay people here in the UK. It is

:38:07.:38:14.

wonderful to hear that and I couldn't agree with him more. We all

:38:15.:38:20.

have to bind together and we all have to fight this. I think it is

:38:21.:38:25.

really helpful the more that LGBT folks come out and admit who they

:38:26.:38:33.

are and show their real truth, that goes a long way in fighting this.

:38:34.:38:37.

Then suddenly it is someone you know, a family member, a colleague,

:38:38.:38:44.

a neighbour. I think that diminishes, it starts to whittle

:38:45.:38:50.

away slowly at homophobia. How do you react to the fact that people

:38:51.:38:53.

have been coming out on social media in direct response to the shootings?

:38:54.:38:59.

I think it is wonderful in the sense that coming out is the single most

:39:00.:39:07.

powerful act any LGBT person can make to end prejudice and bigotry

:39:08.:39:10.

towards themselves and towards their own community. Why does it end it if

:39:11.:39:17.

somebody comes out? It is the single greatest tool in helping to end it.

:39:18.:39:25.

Previously we were entirely ignored. If you ignore an entire group, you

:39:26.:39:29.

do not have to give them any rights. You do not have to acknowledge their

:39:30.:39:34.

presence at human beings. As LGBT people started to come out, our

:39:35.:39:39.

rights darted to come towards us because we started to demand it. We

:39:40.:39:45.

started to say we will not take your shame, we will not be gagged and

:39:46.:39:49.

silenced, we are here, we are human and we deserve equal human rights.

:39:50.:39:53.

It is the most potent thing we can do. However, it is utterly tragic

:39:54.:40:00.

that we live in a culture still where it takes the massacre, the

:40:01.:40:09.

merger, of 50 people before scared and vulnerable LGBT people finally

:40:10.:40:15.

have the courage to say merely who they are and who they love. Britain,

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America, the entire world needs to take an a long, hard look at itself.

:40:22.:40:34.

The truth is that homophobia is biological, social, political and

:40:35.:40:37.

cultural. All these things in telling. What we have seen with Omar

:40:38.:40:43.

Mateen is somebody who is at the intersection of those things. This

:40:44.:40:46.

is someone who was clearly disturbed, who is clearly

:40:47.:40:51.

homophobic, but that isn't in a vacuum. That happens in a culture

:40:52.:40:54.

and that culture is steeped in homophobia. LGBT people understand

:40:55.:41:00.

fear and terror because we live with it at a low level, at an invisible

:41:01.:41:07.

level often, every day. Rachel, why are you going to this vigil in

:41:08.:41:11.

London tonight? I suspect there will be vigils around the world actually.

:41:12.:41:15.

There is. I am showing support for my friends and my family and

:41:16.:41:18.

everyone. It is terrifying that we live in a time when existence is

:41:19.:41:25.

threatened simply by existing. That is terrible and all we can do now is

:41:26.:41:30.

support, show that we can love everyone for everything, and so many

:41:31.:41:34.

people want to show support like that. It is going on in loads of

:41:35.:41:37.

different places at different communities joining up will make a

:41:38.:41:45.

difference. It is terrifying. Why do you think it will make a difference?

:41:46.:41:50.

It sounds cliche but the most powerful thing we can do right now

:41:51.:41:53.

is join hands, in the literal and figurative sense, because as you

:41:54.:42:00.

said we live in a community and in a culture that is either homophobic or

:42:01.:42:05.

transphobic or discriminatory towards things that are beyond our

:42:06.:42:09.

control. Things that we don't choose. Things we are born with. To

:42:10.:42:16.

show more support would teach others that it is not a choice and it is OK

:42:17.:42:21.

to be who you are. If I can mention one tiny thing? So far in the last

:42:22.:42:28.

few hours, the Prime Minister and the First Minister for Scotland and

:42:29.:42:32.

for Wales have issued statements condemning these atrocious attacks.

:42:33.:42:36.

The First Minister of Northern Ireland, Arlene Foster, has remained

:42:37.:42:41.

silent. From the DUP, she has said nothing. That is a disgrace and she

:42:42.:42:45.

should apologise and issue a statement immediately. Thank you for

:42:46.:42:49.

coming on the programme, Patrick and Rachel, who will be at that vigil

:42:50.:42:53.

tonight. And to our friends in the USA. John Paul, Kelly, Robert, Paul

:42:54.:43:02.

and the chair of the Muslim community centres. Thank you for

:43:03.:43:05.

coming on the programme and we appreciate your time.

:43:06.:43:13.

Staff in betting shops say they're being told to offer customers perks

:43:14.:43:16.

and incentives to keep them playing on controversial high

:43:17.:43:18.

stakes betting machines, an investigation for this

:43:19.:43:20.

Managers claim they're told to offer free bets,

:43:21.:43:23.

and in one case it was suggested lunch was bought

:43:24.:43:26.

for a high-spending customer so he could keep playing

:43:27.:43:28.

The industry says it takes responsible gambling seriously

:43:29.:43:31.

and has procedures in place to identify and support anyone

:43:32.:43:33.

They say they're the safer, responsible side of gambling.

:43:34.:43:44.

There are now 9000 high street bookmakers in the UK.

:43:45.:43:48.

Are they doing enough to protect their staff?

:43:49.:43:51.

Machine gamblers, when they lose, can be quite aggressive.

:43:52.:43:53.

In 20 years of being in the betting shops, I've never had anybody come

:43:54.:44:02.

to me and say, "Do you think you're gambling too much today?"

:44:03.:44:09.

We've been speaking to people who work in the betting

:44:10.:44:12.

industry about all this, about how their jobs have changed,

:44:13.:44:15.

and about the pressure they now feel to make as much money as possible

:44:16.:44:18.

If you know someone's got an addictive personality,

:44:19.:44:23.

you can guarantee they will be spending a lot of money.

:44:24.:44:27.

On one of my first days, I was only 19, I asked somebody

:44:28.:44:30.

So why are we speaking to people who say they've received

:44:31.:44:35.

I can't answer that, but if you speak to our operators,

:44:36.:44:40.

they've trained every member of staff in responsible gambling.

:44:41.:44:54.

I'm pretty passionate about this topic!

:44:55.:45:04.

Tony Franklin has had a problem with gambling since he was a child.

:45:05.:45:13.

He'd managed to stay out of the bookies for a year,

:45:14.:45:17.

then one afternoon 18 months ago he went back in again.

:45:18.:45:21.

I was in that hairdressers over the road, and I don't know

:45:22.:45:26.

I thought, "Oh, go on, what's the harm?

:45:27.:45:31.

I fed in what I had in my wallet, which I think was about ?90,

:45:32.:45:39.

then I came out, took some money out of the cashpoint,

:45:40.:45:43.

and at this point I was totally devastated and just completely

:45:44.:45:46.

caught up in the gambling, in a red mist is probably the best

:45:47.:45:49.

way to describe it, or fog, and I just went to the counter

:45:50.:45:52.

I lost that in the space of a few minutes.

:45:53.:45:56.

Then another 1000, until I had no more money in my bank account.

:45:57.:46:02.

How did you feel after losing that?

:46:03.:46:03.

At this point, the plan was still for my wife and child

:46:04.:46:10.

to come and live here in this country with me.

:46:11.:46:17.

I'd got a flat set up and everything ready to go, but because of that

:46:18.:46:20.

relapse and because my wife realised I was still very much

:46:21.:46:23.

in the gambling, the addiction was there...

:46:24.:46:29.

Tony had a problem with all types of gambling at every bookmaker,

:46:30.:46:34.

but that day he was on a fixed-odd betting terminal, or FOBT,

:46:35.:46:37.

the controversial touch-screen machines that let you stake up

:46:38.:46:41.

to ?100 a spin on casino games like roulette.

:46:42.:46:50.

Here's ?500, then eight minutes later another ?1000

:46:51.:46:52.

He's still fighting a gambling problem.

:46:53.:46:59.

He still keeps his receipts from that day in his

:47:00.:47:02.

In 20 years of being in the betting shops, I've never had

:47:03.:47:06.

anybody come to me and say, "Do you think you're gambling

:47:07.:47:08.

Or enquiring as to where I'm getting the sums of money that I put

:47:09.:47:18.

And bearing in mind I've lost thousands in these sessions

:47:19.:47:28.

on numerous occasions, that is quite shocking

:47:29.:47:30.

These messages that come on the screen every so often,

:47:31.:47:34.

"Yhe pop-ups that say, you've spent so much money

:47:35.:47:36.

in so many minutes," I'll just hammer the button to get rid

:47:37.:47:39.

Some people, Tony, are still going to think this

:47:40.:47:42.

is about personal responsibility, no-one is putting a gun

:47:43.:47:44.

against your head and asking you to go into a betting shop?

:47:45.:47:47.

It is an addiction in the same way as alcohol and drug addiction.

:47:48.:47:50.

It's very hard to understand what goes on in someone

:47:51.:47:53.

else's head if you don't have the direct experience.

:47:54.:47:55.

Tony is now banned from every Coral shop for his own protection.

:47:56.:47:58.

The firm told us it doesn't target vulnerable players and said its

:47:59.:48:01.

staff receive comprehensive training to assist with the identification

:48:02.:48:05.

of customers who may be experiencing difficulties.

:48:06.:48:08.

Over the last five years, the betting industry has grown.

:48:09.:48:11.

Takings are up as more people use online sites and mobile apps.

:48:12.:48:18.

At the same time, the overall level of problem gambling has remained

:48:19.:48:21.

at around one in every 200 of the population,

:48:22.:48:25.

though the industry's critics question how reliable

:48:26.:48:27.

And then there are all those stories about bookies taking

:48:28.:48:33.

In fact, the number of betting shops has stayed constant, roughly 9000.

:48:34.:48:38.

Critics say the problem is when they are clustered together

:48:39.:48:41.

Here, for example, you have got BetFred,

:48:42.:48:45.

On one street in east London there are not one

:48:46.:48:52.

but two Paddy Powers, a Coral, another BetFred,

:48:53.:48:54.

another Paddy Power, a Ladbrokes, William Hill, another BetFred.

:48:55.:48:58.

And finally, ten minutes walk later from the bottom,

:48:59.:49:00.

I believe the betting shop is the safest environment.

:49:01.:49:08.

The worst environment that could be created would be to go

:49:09.:49:11.

back to pre-1960s, and illegal bookmakers.

:49:12.:49:16.

Malcolm George speaks for most of the near 9000 high

:49:17.:49:19.

Those are dangerous environments and I think the bookmakers provide

:49:20.:49:24.

some of the best and safest places for someone to gamble.

:49:25.:49:31.

But bookmakers, like the rest of the industry, have changed.

:49:32.:49:33.

Shops are now very different places than they were a decade or so ago.

:49:34.:49:38.

My first 30 years, it was just was racing and dog racing.

:49:39.:49:41.

One or two customers were problematic with their gambling,

:49:42.:49:43.

but you're talking probably ten in 30 years.

:49:44.:49:51.

John, not his real name, was, until very recently,

:49:52.:49:54.

a manager at Coral, one of the big four chains.

:49:55.:49:57.

He still has connections to the industry so doesn't

:49:58.:49:59.

In the last ten years, when the machines came in,

:50:00.:50:05.

They seemed to have a lot more problems, they got more aggressive.

:50:06.:50:12.

Fixed-odd betting terminals are big money to the big chains.

:50:13.:50:14.

Each machine makes ?1000 a week before taxes and costs

:50:15.:50:18.

Under the current rules, each shop can have a maximum of four.

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The problem is roulette, they can stick ?100.

:50:26.:50:33.

The problem is roulette, they can stake ?100.

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Not that many people do, in all fairness, but they can stake

:50:36.:50:38.

We spoke to another two store managers who still work

:50:39.:50:42.

Both talked about the pressure they feel to hit financial targets

:50:43.:50:46.

One passed us internal e-mails he was sent from Coral's central

:50:47.:50:51.

operations department about a new FOBT game called Big Banker.

:50:52.:50:56.

"Smashing your targets: Ensure your team has

:50:57.:50:58.

identified your target key customers to demonstrate our

:50:59.:50:59.

Offer a demo to all of your machine customers to whet their appetite,

:51:00.:51:04.

then encourage them to play with their own money.

:51:05.:51:06.

Once you have identified your target customers, it often helps

:51:07.:51:09.

when you use a hook to encourage them to play.

:51:10.:51:17.

"You like Big Banker, do you have our bonus card yet?

:51:18.:51:27.

It's quick, it's easy, and it's free."

:51:28.:51:29.

In a statement, Coral said: "Recent health surveys

:51:30.:51:31.

show that problem gambling rates have fallen since the introduction

:51:32.:51:33.

of FOBTs, and the average Coral customer's loss

:51:34.:51:35.

The introduction of supervised stakes above ?50 last year has led

:51:36.:51:39.

to a 70% reduction in stakes above that level."

:51:40.:51:41.

John also spoke about the special treatment he felt FOBT

:51:42.:51:44.

We were given instructions, machine players, as soon

:51:45.:51:47.

as they come in, tea, coffee, whatever they want.

:51:48.:51:50.

Were you encouraged to make machine players in particular feel

:51:51.:51:52.

If the shop was too hot for them, we had to turn the heating down,

:51:53.:52:03.

They were the gods of the betting shop.

:52:04.:52:11.

There was a suggestion from the area manager at one time,

:52:12.:52:13.

if we had a customer coming in in their lunch hour,

:52:14.:52:16.

to make sure they didn't waste time getting a cheese and ham roll

:52:17.:52:19.

instead of playing the machines that you could go out there,

:52:20.:52:23.

buy them a cheese and ham roll and get it ready for them.

:52:24.:52:27.

Were there certain financial targets which shops were expected to meet

:52:28.:52:29.

You had to make your machine target, and if you did you were guaranteed

:52:30.:52:34.

I know another firm based the whole wage on how much money

:52:35.:52:40.

So there was every incentive for the staff to encourage people.

:52:41.:52:48.

Coral told us it rejects the allegations made by the BBC.

:52:49.:52:53.

It went on to say that, "Coral takes its commitment to responsible

:52:54.:52:56.

gambling extremely seriously and has strengthened protection

:52:57.:52:58.

for all its customers, providing help and support

:52:59.:53:00.

for the very small minority that may have issues with their

:53:01.:53:04.

Training, tools and processes are in place throughout the business

:53:05.:53:08.

to ensure that potential problem gamblers are identified

:53:09.:53:10.

What we've seen in the bookmaking sector...

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We showed the e-mails to Matt from the pressure

:53:19.:53:20.

He became hooked on FOBTs as a teenager, losing ?16,000

:53:21.:53:24.

I think it shows, really, that self-regulation doesn't work

:53:25.:53:30.

and, like any business, the primary objective

:53:31.:53:32.

The issue with the machines is, first of all, they shouldn't be

:53:33.:53:41.

allowed in betting shops because betting shops should be

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places for bookmaking, so the fact that they're trying

:53:45.:53:46.

to push these machines, which is not their primary

:53:47.:53:49.

activity, is a concern and it rings alarm bells.

:53:50.:53:54.

The industry's critics worry that staff are under pressure to hit

:53:55.:53:57.

At the same time, they're being asked to weed out

:53:58.:54:02.

Under the industry's own code of conduct,

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all staff are meant to be trained to identify problem gamblers,

:54:07.:54:10.

but we were told it doesn't always happen.

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One, a woman in her 20s who doesn't work for Coral, told us...

:54:14.:54:16.

All we have is a leaflet, we're told to give them out

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But working on your own at night makes it extremely hard

:54:22.:54:26.

to speak to customers who are extremely frustrated.

:54:27.:54:30.

The people we've spoken to seemed to suggest,

:54:31.:54:32.

who work on the shop floor, that that training doesn't always

:54:33.:54:34.

cascade down to the people who are working at 7pm,

:54:35.:54:37.

It's absolutely the case that anyone joining and working in a betting

:54:38.:54:44.

shop will receive training about problem gambling.

:54:45.:54:48.

So why are we speaking to people who say they received no

:54:49.:54:51.

I can't answer that, but if you speak to our operators,

:54:52.:54:55.

they train every member of staff in responsible gambling.

:54:56.:55:02.

An undercover investigation for the BBC's panorama programme

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also linked FOBT machines to violence.

:55:05.:55:08.

The staff we spoke to said their jobs had become more

:55:09.:55:11.

Has it changed the environment for people working in companies?

:55:12.:55:16.

Machine gamblers, when they lose, can be quite aggressive

:55:17.:55:19.

I've known machines smashed up before now.

:55:20.:55:26.

Incidentally, even though I knew the guy, I knew his address,

:55:27.:55:30.

I said to my boss, did we want to go to the police?

:55:31.:55:34.

He said, "We don't want to involve the police."

:55:35.:55:38.

It is Coral's company policy to report all acts of aggression

:55:39.:55:41.

The firm said: "It is simply untrue to link problem gambling

:55:42.:55:46.

or aggressive behaviour to gaming machines."

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Staff at other chains also told us that safety was a concern.

:55:52.:55:55.

The same female shop worker we heard from earlier said...

:55:56.:55:58.

Those machines are the worst thing that ever happened.

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On one of my first days, I was only 19, I asked somebody

:56:01.:56:03.

I had a customer screaming when we tried to close last Sunday,

:56:04.:56:08.

My area manager said, "He's a big spender,

:56:09.:56:13.

Compared to the retailers on the high street, actually betting

:56:14.:56:18.

shops don't appear to receive more crime than other sectors.

:56:19.:56:22.

But is that because staff are encouraged not to go

:56:23.:56:24.

That is not the policy for any of my members, and we would not

:56:25.:56:30.

Betting shops, though, are under pressure to do more.

:56:31.:56:37.

A Parliamentary inquiry starts next month, local councils have been

:56:38.:56:40.

The industry may have to make changes before it is forced to.

:56:41.:56:49.

We began looking at the story after some of you got in touch

:56:50.:56:56.

with us to tell us your experience of working in betting shops.

:56:57.:56:58.

If you've got a story you think we should be covering,

:56:59.:57:01.

A techeser says, "Being an ex-betting shop manager, I can

:57:02.:57:19.

confirm that the incentives to customers are true, free bets,

:57:20.:57:23.

refreshments etcetera and machine tournaments with the free machine

:57:24.:57:27.

play if you win the tournament." That's why betting shops are open

:57:28.:57:32.

from 8am until 10pm as well. Most comments today are from you are

:57:33.:57:40.

about the shootings in Orlando. This e-mail from Xenia, "I don't know why

:57:41.:57:46.

it is acceptable to hate people because of their sexual ylt. It is

:57:47.:57:51.

not acceptable to hate people because of their race. There are so

:57:52.:57:56.

many who would want to take the pride from us. It is saddening and

:57:57.:57:59.

sickening to hear about the shootings." Mohamed says, "I am a

:58:00.:58:03.

gay man who couldn't be myself. I'm an Iranian and I have been living

:58:04.:58:08.

here in the UK for five years where I have never been insulted because

:58:09.:58:12.

of being gay. We all deserve a life." Martin tweets this, "The

:58:13.:58:20.

Pulse shooting is not just an attack on the LGBT community, but an attack

:58:21.:58:23.

on everyone's freedom to live as we wish." Michelle tweets this, "I

:58:24.:58:32.

cannot be what I am not. I am a proud, trans woman." Another viewer

:58:33.:58:36.

says, "The Orlando shooting hits home for me as I have a gay brother.

:58:37.:58:43.

It makes me sick to think that someone would attack someone in a

:58:44.:58:46.

safe space of acceptancemed I can only hope for mercy on the souls of

:58:47.:58:50.

the victims and strength for their loved ones." Thank you for those.

:58:51.:58:55.

We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment. Before that,

:58:56.:58:58.

here is the weather. Here is Phil Avery.

:58:59.:59:02.

A glorious start to the day for some, but and there had to be a but!

:59:03.:59:11.

It is a different kettle of fish across the north-east of England,

:59:12.:59:14.

south-east Scotland, murky fair, and it is likely to stay that way for

:59:15.:59:18.

the greater part of the day. We are dominated by an area of low

:59:19.:59:21.

pressure. This is going to be the pattern that we will see repeated

:59:22.:59:24.

through on to the middle part of the week and qate a variety in there as

:59:25.:59:28.

was the case at the weekend. There is the possibility still of some

:59:29.:59:32.

heavy and thundery downpours. For some of you, fairly laden skies, the

:59:33.:59:38.

odd drib and drab of drizzly rain passing through on what breeze there

:59:39.:59:41.

is. It is not like that everywhere, the north-eastern quarter of

:59:42.:59:43.

Scotland faring nicely today. I urge you to make the most of it. North

:59:44.:59:48.

Western Scotlandks one or two patchy showers. But then from Northern

:59:49.:59:52.

Ireland, to the north of England, south-western Scotland, on towards

:59:53.:59:55.

Eastern England, this is the zone come mid-an that we could see some

:59:56.:59:59.

of the heaviest downpours. Across the south-western quarter of the

:00:00.:00:01.

British Isles, here after a dank start, a little bit of brightness

:00:02.:00:07.

coming through, but that may spurn one or two showers. None of which

:00:08.:00:10.

makes pleasant hearing if you are aide concerned about the last day of

:00:11.:00:15.

Test match between England or Sri Lanka. There will be

:00:16.:00:20.

interpretations. The heaviest of the showers likely to rumble on and then

:00:21.:00:25.

we will see a residue of patchy rain across Northern Ireland and Northern

:00:26.:00:27.

England. Some rain getting into the north-eastern quarter of Scotland.

:00:28.:00:31.

It will be a close night across central and southern parts of the

:00:32.:00:36.

British Isles. And then, here we go again, Tuesday, the real change is

:00:37.:00:41.

for that northern part of Scotland, much, much dank affair than was the

:00:42.:00:47.

the case today. In the afternoon, there will be heat. Wales, perhaps

:00:48.:00:50.

the North Midlands and the north of England. Some brightness coming

:00:51.:00:53.

through. If you get that and avoid some of the showers, well 18

:00:54.:00:56.

Celsius, 19 Celsius, 20 Celsius could be yours. It isn't wall to

:00:57.:01:00.

wall mystery, but here we are on Wednesday. Still that low pressure

:01:01.:01:05.

anchored across the British Isles and that's going to be a real

:01:06.:01:09.

concern because that will keep those showers going for the greater part

:01:10.:01:12.

of England and Wales, and Northern Ireland. I think by that stage for

:01:13.:01:16.

the northern part of Scotland, something fresher as the isobars

:01:17.:01:19.

come in from the north-east and you may start to lose some of that rain

:01:20.:01:26.

at least. And then by Thursday, those showers tending to congregate

:01:27.:01:29.

across the southern half of the British Isles. Further north, a

:01:30.:01:32.

drier, if fresher prospect there and Welcome to the programme

:01:33.:01:44.

if you've just joined us. Coming up: The world is trying to

:01:45.:01:57.

come to terms with the deadliest shooting in US history. 50 people

:01:58.:02:05.

enjoying a night out at a Florida gay club are dead in an attack that

:02:06.:02:10.

targeted them because of their sexuality. Nobody can tell me where

:02:11.:02:15.

my son is, if he has been shot, if he is dead, nobody knows. They told

:02:16.:02:17.

me there are fatalities. The gunman had sworn allegiance

:02:18.:02:23.

to so-called Islamic State. The FBI interviewed him 3 times

:02:24.:02:25.

as a possible terror The FBI first became aware of Omar

:02:26.:02:36.

Mateen in 2013 when he made inflammatory allegations to

:02:37.:02:41.

co-workers alleging terrorist ties. The FBI thoroughly investigated the

:02:42.:02:44.

matter, including interviews of witnesses, physical surveillance and

:02:45.:02:48.

records checks. In the course of investigation, Mateen was

:02:49.:02:53.

interviewed twice. In the next few minutes we will talk to the cousin

:02:54.:02:54.

of one of those murdered. Also this morning: Staff in betting

:02:55.:02:57.

shops have told this programme they're expected to offer customers

:02:58.:03:00.

perks and incentives to keep them playing on controversial

:03:01.:03:03.

high-stakes betting machines. There was a suggestion from the area

:03:04.:03:09.

manager at one time if we had a customer coming in in their lunch

:03:10.:03:13.

hour, to make sure they didn't waste time getting a cheese and ham roll

:03:14.:03:16.

instead of playing the machines, that you could go out there, buy

:03:17.:03:20.

them a cheese and ham roll, and get it ready for them. We will speak to

:03:21.:03:28.

a gambling addict who lost ?200,000 on fixed odds betting terminals.

:03:29.:03:35.

With just two weeks to go before the EU referendum, we will put questions

:03:36.:03:38.

to truly independent and impartial experts. Now a round-up of the

:03:39.:03:51.

morning news with Joanna. Thank you. The FBI said the gunman who carried

:03:52.:03:55.

out the worst mass shooting in US history had been investigated for

:03:56.:03:59.

possible terrorism expert agents concluded he was not a threat. Omar

:04:00.:04:04.

Mateen, a US citizen of Afghan descent, phoned the emergency

:04:05.:04:07.

services to pledge allegiance to Islamic State before killing 50

:04:08.:04:11.

people in a gay nightclub in Orlando. His father said he had no

:04:12.:04:15.

idea his son had such a twit in his heart. President Obama killed the

:04:16.:04:23.

killings and act of terror and hate. -- had such hatred in his heart.

:04:24.:04:30.

Omar Mateen was described by the President as a person

:04:31.:04:32.

Born in New York, the 29-year-old travelled to Orlando to a gay club

:04:33.:04:36.

The shots from his assault rifle killed 50 people,

:04:37.:04:39.

He took dozens of clubbers hostage for hours, before police

:04:40.:04:43.

They shot him before he could do more harm.

:04:44.:04:47.

His ex-wife says she too suffered at his hands.

:04:48.:04:59.

Yeah, he was very short tempered, and he would often get into fights

:05:00.:05:02.

And because I guess I was the only one in his life, most

:05:03.:05:06.

of the violence was towards me at that time.

:05:07.:05:08.

Police are still identifying his many victims.

:05:09.:05:10.

Relatives and survivors searched hospitals hoping for some good news.

:05:11.:05:12.

He works at Universal and I'm just hoping we find him.

:05:13.:05:17.

I could smell the ammo in the air, and I thought, this is a gun,

:05:18.:05:22.

this isn't fireworks, we need to leave.

:05:23.:05:24.

As the investigation continues, there are several words that sum

:05:25.:05:27.

This is a city trying to make sense of the senseless,

:05:28.:05:37.

and they are doing it in their own way.

:05:38.:05:40.

Hundreds of people queued for hours to donate blood to help those

:05:41.:05:44.

in hospital, a small act of kindness that gave Orlando a glimpse

:05:45.:05:48.

of humanity at its best, after it had seen its very worst.

:05:49.:05:55.

In Orlando, the city's authorities have started to release

:05:56.:05:58.

Gathering together, families hoping for good news or fearing the worst.

:05:59.:06:10.

But the fate of some of the victims is clear.

:06:11.:06:16.

34-year-old Edward Sotomayer Junior died in the attack.

:06:17.:06:18.

His cousin David said he was a caring, energetic man.

:06:19.:06:22.

He was known for wearing a silly top hat on cruises.

:06:23.:06:27.

Stanley Almodovar also killed at the age of 23,

:06:28.:06:29.

described as kind but sassy and proud of who he was.

:06:30.:06:32.

His mother, Rosalie Ramos, said he posted a video of himself

:06:33.:06:35.

And 22-year-old Luis Vielma lost his life during the mass shooting.

:06:36.:06:45.

But some were more lucky and managed to escape.

:06:46.:06:49.

You hear what sounds like fireworks and balloons popping,

:06:50.:06:51.

and you assume it's part of the show, and then you hear

:06:52.:06:55.

people start screaming, and the sound doesn't stop,

:06:56.:06:59.

and people start falling, and you realise it's not

:07:00.:07:01.

And at that point I realised I needed to get out.

:07:02.:07:10.

The extent of this attack is still unfolding as the number of people

:07:11.:07:13.

killed may still rise. Oscar Pistorius is in court this

:07:14.:07:16.

morning to face sentencing for the murder of his girlfriend

:07:17.:07:24.

Reeva Steenkamp three years ago. The athlete was

:07:25.:07:27.

previously charged with manslaughter, but that was

:07:28.:07:29.

overturned and changed The Paralympic gold medallist

:07:30.:07:31.

is facing a minimum 15-year A short while ago, a clinical

:07:32.:07:48.

psychologist for the defence gave a statement of the athlete's state of

:07:49.:07:58.

health and ability to give evidence. He appeared to have limited energy

:07:59.:08:02.

and his concentration wavered. He had no perceptual disturbances. He

:08:03.:08:08.

displayed signs and reported symptoms of post-traumatic stress

:08:09.:08:10.

disorder, anxiety disorder and depressive disorder. If it was

:08:11.:08:16.

possible to call him as a witness, what is your view of his state of

:08:17.:08:21.

mind? In my opinion, he is not able to testify. His condition is severe.

:08:22.:08:27.

That is a summary of the latest news and I will be back at 10:30am. Thank

:08:28.:08:33.

you. Some comments from you at this point from Orlando. This from Becky,

:08:34.:08:41.

as part of the LGBT, I am here, I am not going anywhere, I am proud of

:08:42.:08:45.

who I am. And Mark, the owner of a LGBT venue in London, it is with

:08:46.:08:50.

sadness and anger that I watched this unfold. We have warned our

:08:51.:08:54.

police fear of constant issues regarding illicit venue visits and

:08:55.:08:58.

the venue being approached by specific groups of people. Maybe

:08:59.:09:03.

they will take seriously now. These are shocking, sad times. Do get in

:09:04.:09:07.

touch with us throughout the morning. If you are texting, you

:09:08.:09:10.

will be charged at the standard network rate. Now the sport with

:09:11.:09:20.

Sally. No? Yes! Hello. Yes, it is me, life in Paris this morning. It

:09:21.:09:25.

is worth showing everybody at home Le Figaro this morning, which has

:09:26.:09:29.

done an analysis of the trouble over the weekend. We have seen a lot on

:09:30.:09:34.

television and in the newspapers about the violence in Marseille

:09:35.:09:36.

particularly on Saturday which was very bad, which is when it flared

:09:37.:09:42.

up. There is a double page spread in this newspaper, analysing what went

:09:43.:09:47.

wrong, talking about the English fans, but really interestingly, full

:09:48.:09:50.

analysis of what happened inside the stadium and laying the blame very

:09:51.:09:54.

firmly at Russian fans, who were brutal, behaving in a brutal way,

:09:55.:09:59.

and racist actions as well. Also raising questions about the style of

:10:00.:10:04.

policing here, how it is being managed, and actually saying that in

:10:05.:10:08.

terms of English hooliganism, the British police have really got a

:10:09.:10:12.

handle on that now. In terms of Premier League matches, it simply

:10:13.:10:17.

doesn't happen so much. You can see scenes of French police, a high

:10:18.:10:20.

profile presence of the French police and the army on the streets,

:10:21.:10:26.

and roads closed everywhere. Their approach to managing football crowds

:10:27.:10:29.

is very different to the way it is at home. That is something the fans

:10:30.:10:35.

are getting used to. On the field, there was disappointment for fans of

:10:36.:10:40.

Northern Ireland. They lost 1-0 to Poland yesterday, meaning that Wales

:10:41.:10:44.

are now the only home nation to have registered a victory from their

:10:45.:10:48.

opening game, meaning Thursday's huge match against England becomes

:10:49.:10:52.

even more significant. Hywel Griffith has been following the

:10:53.:10:55.

Welsh team and joins me now from Dinard, the Welsh camp. What is the

:10:56.:11:04.

very latest from training today? Well, they are training here at the

:11:05.:11:09.

moment, as you can see. Everybody in buoyant mood. All the players who

:11:10.:11:13.

played in that historic game on Saturday have come through

:11:14.:11:16.

unscathed. Wayne Hennessey, the keeper, who sat out the game on

:11:17.:11:20.

Saturday because of a back spasm, we are told he will hopefully be fit

:11:21.:11:25.

and well for that game on Thursday against England. Everybody here is

:11:26.:11:29.

buoyant. They enjoyed that historic moment but the focus has got to be

:11:30.:11:34.

on England and that game. The players will be familiar with the

:11:35.:11:37.

challenge ahead. They will play day-to-day football some of them

:11:38.:11:41.

with their opponents, but they will have to take this challenge

:11:42.:11:45.

seriously. They go in with the wind behind them, knowing England are

:11:46.:11:47.

under pressure from the media, and it is England with only one point.

:11:48.:11:52.

Wales group leaders at the moment but they will be under no illusions

:11:53.:11:58.

that it will be a very tough test. The rivalry between Wales and

:11:59.:12:00.

England is building up as the week goes on with Roy Hodgson saying that

:12:01.:12:04.

Gareth Bale is disrespectful to say that the Welsh have more pride and

:12:05.:12:08.

passion than the English. How are they handling the extra pressure

:12:09.:12:16.

that this match is going to bring? I think arguably they took a heap

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pressure of themselves by winning that opening game three points in

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the bag already and two points to go. I will say this quietly at the

:12:25.:12:28.

moment, even if they do not beat England, they have a good chance of

:12:29.:12:33.

going through the group. That has taken pressure off. This morning we

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are seeing laughter and smiles, which gives you an impression of how

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they are enjoying the tournament so far. Of course they will be up for

:12:40.:12:44.

it. You expect this type of discussion before a game about Wales

:12:45.:12:47.

having more passion and pride. They may not have the numbers of English

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fans, but they will go in, singing their hearts out on Thursday. Lovely

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to talk to you. Be careful what you say because you never know who is

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listening! A promising day of football ahead today. Republic of

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Ireland play Sweden in Paris and that game is live on BBC One at five

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o'clock tonight. Italy against Belgium is also on BBC at eight

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o'clock. Before those two games, Spain play the Czech Republic. An

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exciting day ahead. Thank you. The FBI has said the gunman who shot

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dead 50 people at a gay nightclub in Florida was investigated

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for possible terrorism links, but officials concluded

:13:29.:13:30.

he didn't pose a threat. Omar Mateen carried out the worst

:13:31.:13:36.

mass shooting in modern US history in the early hours

:13:37.:13:38.

of yesterday morning. President Obama has called

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it an act of terror Some of the people were able

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to text their relatives One mother, Mina Justice,

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says her son texted, "Mommy I love you -

:13:47.:13:54.

in club, they shooting", then "he has us and he's

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going to kill us." "Call them

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mommy", "he's coming" And that she said was it,

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she heard no more from her son. Many of the victims have yet to be

:14:12.:14:15.

identified, but details are emerging of some of those

:14:16.:14:18.

who were slaughtered by Omar Mateen, a man who had sworn allegiance

:14:19.:14:21.

to so-called Islamic-State and was deliberately

:14:22.:14:23.

targetting gay people. 22-year-old Juan Ramon

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Guerrero had only He was worried about

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how they'd react. As it turned out they were accepting

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and just wanted him to be happy. Now they're coming to terms

:14:30.:14:33.

with the fact that their son has 23-year-old Stanley Almodovar posted

:14:34.:14:36.

a Snapchat video of himself singing and laughing on his way

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to the Pulse club. His mother had prepared a tomato

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and cheese dip for him to eat His mother described him as kind,

:14:52.:14:54.

but sassy and someone 37-year-old Kimberly Morris worked

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as a bouncer at the club. She'd only moved there

:15:00.:15:04.

a few months ago. Everyone says she was

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a kind, sweet person. One friend said, "I can't think

:15:08.:15:10.

of a time when I did not see a smile 34-year-old Edward Sotomayor

:15:11.:15:14.

is described as a caring, His cousin David Sotomayor says,

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"He was just always part We can talk to David Sotomayor now

:15:20.:15:27.

who's cousin, Edward Sotomayor, known as Eddie, was

:15:28.:15:34.

killed in the attack. We will also speak to a human rights

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activist. Tell us about your cousin, Eddie.

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Hello. Hello. Hi, can you hear me, David? I can

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hear you now. I hear you now. Thank you very much for talking to us at

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this time. I really appreciate you giving us a couple of minutes and I

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wonder if you could tell us about your cousin. Tell us what he was

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like. My cousin was an amazing person. There are tens of thousands

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of people who got the privilege of meeting. I got to meet him a decade

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ago. I didn't know my New York family at that time. I was

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privileged to perform in Florida where I met him and we tried to

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figure out our family tree and we just realised, it didn't matter, we

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were cousins and since that day, we always kept in touch and just been

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amazing and he had the privilege to work with one of the cruises I

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worked with and from there, he got to meet so many of my sisters. He

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was just amazing. His top hat, he his gimmick was with his top hat and

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outside of a cruise, outside of anything, everybody knew his top hat

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and knew his personality. He was amazing. It is just a sad day right

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now. I'm just so glad that I came out. I honestly came out to come to

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one of the organisations to raise funds for this miserable, event that

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just happened and honestly, to see all the people out here, everybody

:17:43.:17:47.

making such an effort to make it known and know that it's, it was a

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horrible moment, but I know my cousin Eddie would not want me to

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stay at home and cry, but come out and fight. And still make sure that

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everybody out here be proud. I'm here. I miss him. I can't believe

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that something so hateful, to such a great person happened. How do you

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react to the fact that it appears your cousin was killed along with 49

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others because of their sexuality? Well, the thing was that I heard

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there was a shooting. I'm from Chicago. There is so much chaos that

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happens here and I heard and I called a couple of friends to see if

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they were OK and I woke up this morning and I found out that my

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cousin was one of the victims and that's when everything just shot out

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and went crazy and I didn't get on the news. I didn't know anything. It

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wasn't until I was in the cab that I heard on the news all the

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affiliation and everything that happened which, it... I mean, you

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can imagine, how horrible that felt and knowing that my fans and it

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brought out light to a lot of people that are following, it makes me

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realise if I have a name, I need to make sure that things need to be

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changed and have a voice for the community because honestly, he was

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amazing. Anybody that knew him, knows that he had no problem. He was

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always that person to make you smile and make sure you are doing

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positivity. I have been out here all day and I will continue to strive

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forward and continue to make sure that I make this happen. And be a

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voice because if I have a voice now, I'm going to make sure that we know

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that we cannot stay silent and we have to stand strong and be proud.

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We're not going to let this happen. We are going to still celebrate

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Pride and we are going to be happy for who we are because we have gone

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through too much to let something so ignorant and so stupid stop us.

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David, you are displaying remarkable strength and stowism. I want to

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introduce you to my guest in London, Peter who is a Human Rights activist

:20:19.:20:22.

who campaigns to stop hate crime against gay people. I'm sure first

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of all you would want to express your condolences to our friend in

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Chicago? Absolutely, you know, my heartfelt condolences to all the

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loved ones of those who died. And my thanks to people who are standing up

:20:38.:20:44.

tall and proud this day to say that LGBT people won't go away, we won't

:20:45.:20:49.

be bowed down, the love about triumph over hate. I'm glad to have

:20:50.:20:53.

so many people, sending love and support, but there were so many

:20:54.:20:56.

other victims that need to know that. The pain is not just here and

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it is not just... We need to make this known. We need to stand up for

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this. I speak to all of you. Reach out to me and let me know how I can

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lend a hand. Be out there and open. I'm standing here today saying I

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need your help and I want your help to help me spread the word that we

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will not bow down. We are going to stand tall, stand strong and

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continue to be proud of who we are. Tonight in London, there will

:21:38.:21:42.

abvigil of solidarity in Old Compton Street Soho to stand with the

:21:43.:21:45.

victims in the United States. I think to remind ourselves that

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despite the huge gains made by LGBT people in countries like Britain and

:21:51.:21:55.

the United States, still there is a violent minority of homeo fobs who

:21:56.:21:58.

are prepared to hate us and sometimes even attack and kill us

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and what happened, the massacre that happened in Orlando is a snapshot of

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an extreme snapshot of a daily violence that LGBT people suffer

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over the world. There are hate crimes in Britain, the United States

:22:14.:22:17.

and every western country almost every day of the week. The situation

:22:18.:22:22.

is even worse in countries like Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq, in

:22:23.:22:27.

large parts of Africa, gay people live in constant fear of being

:22:28.:22:33.

killed. The same in Central America, in Honduras, 30 plus LGBT activists

:22:34.:22:38.

have been murdered by right-wing death squads. The picture is pretty

:22:39.:22:43.

grim for most LGBT people around the world. This is an extreme example,

:22:44.:22:48.

but there was a daily cycle of violence going on in most countries

:22:49.:22:51.

around the world against the LGBT community. It is not only LGBT, it

:22:52.:22:56.

is women's rights, it is everythingment we need to stop. It

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is unnecessary. We cannot keep doing this. It makes no sense. And to lose

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people that supported so many different rights makes no sense. It

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makes no sense. I want to ask you Peter in particular what you think

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the threat is to the gay community from Islamic extremists in the west?

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Well, I think we have in terms of organised violent terrorism, we have

:23:30.:23:34.

twin threats. Firstly from the far-right, neo-Nazi movement. We

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must remember in 1999, a right-wing extremist David cope land planted a

:23:41.:23:45.

bomb, in the black community in Brixton and then in the Asian

:23:46.:23:50.

community in Brick Lane and then in the gay community in Soho and that

:23:51.:23:57.

bomb killed three people and left many others with life changing

:23:58.:24:02.

injuries. The threat of right-wing neo-Nazi extremism is there, but

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Islamist extremism which is a version of far-right extremism.

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These people have a path owe logical hatred of Jewish people, liberal

:24:12.:24:15.

progressive mus littles and many others. So we need to be vigilant

:24:16.:24:21.

and to, as mentioned, stand together in solidarity with all vulnerable

:24:22.:24:25.

communities and I hope there will be increased steps to protect those

:24:26.:24:29.

communities, tuckly gay, Jewish and Muslim communities against the

:24:30.:24:34.

threat posed by these right-wing far-right extremists from the

:24:35.:24:37.

Islamist end. You know, they are not Muslims per se, most Muslim people,

:24:38.:24:43.

of course, disagree with this and we must never, ever deem onnise or

:24:44.:24:49.

scapegoat the Muslim community because of an extreme action by a

:24:50.:24:53.

tiny unrepresented minority. Some viewers' comments. This text from

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Jill, "I feel it is extremely important for those of us who are

:24:58.:25:00.

not gay to join hands with our peers. This ins didn't is repulsive

:25:01.:25:05.

and totally unnecessary. No matter colour, creed, gender or sexual

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preference. My support goes to all concerned. I'm a teacher and this

:25:09.:25:13.

compels me to teach more equality and diversity." This text from

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someone who doesn't leave their name, "My daughter is 14 and gay.

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She is bullied at school and to see this just makes me sick to the

:25:22.:25:27.

stomach that in such a world that there are is still such hatred

:25:28.:25:32.

towards LGBT peoplement we live in a very blinkered and small-minded

:25:33.:25:35.

world and my love goes to those who have lost a loved one." David, we

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can see behind you, various tributes, various flowers, various

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flags, I wonder if you could read some of the tributes using your

:25:46.:25:56.

camera if you wouldn't mind, David. It has been an on-going tribute and

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I am so blessed to know so many people are out there behind this

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cause and we need to make that and we are not going to be scared, we

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will stand out and we will celebrate our pride and we will continue

:26:12.:26:14.

because that's what we're here for. We can see a sign behind you. It is

:26:15.:26:18.

the white sign with the black writing, but I can't make out the

:26:19.:26:24.

words. Are you able to read for us or read one of the other tributes?

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The sign says we are a community and affected as such. Thoughts, and

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prayers to our Orlando brothers and sisters. David, thank you very much

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for your time. Thank you for talking to us. David, whose cousin, Eddie,

:26:38.:26:44.

was killed in the attack on Saturday night in the Pulse nightclub and

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Peter, thaup for your time as well. Vigils are being held across America

:26:47.:27:03.

as the country tries to come to terms with the worst mass shooting

:27:04.:27:07.

in its history. President Obama called the attack an act of terror

:27:08.:27:12.

and hate. The gunman, Omar Mateen, worked as a security guard and had a

:27:13.:27:19.

licence to carry a concealed weapon. What sounds like fireworks and

:27:20.:27:22.

balloons popping and you assume it is part of the show and then when

:27:23.:27:29.

you hear people start screaming and the sound doesn't stop and started

:27:30.:27:33.

following, you realise it is not a show anymore.

:27:34.:27:38.

At that point, I realised I needed to get out.

:27:39.:27:41.

The French authorities have urged cities hosting Euro 2016 matches

:27:42.:27:44.

to ban the sale of alcohol, in an effort to curb the violence

:27:45.:27:47.

that has marred the opening days of the competition.

:27:48.:27:49.

There are fears of further clashes as the tournament progresses,

:27:50.:27:52.

following trouble at Saturday's 1-1 draw between England

:27:53.:27:53.

The French government said nations should be held accountable

:27:54.:27:59.

Meanwhile, French police have confirmed that a Northern Ireland

:28:00.:28:04.

fan has died in Nice, after he fell over a rail

:28:05.:28:06.

Oscar Pistorius is in court this morning to face sentencing

:28:07.:28:12.

for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, three years ago.

:28:13.:28:19.

The athlete was previously charged with manslaughter,

:28:20.:28:21.

but that verdict was overturned by South Africa's Supreme Court

:28:22.:28:26.

The Paralympic gold medallist is facing a minimum 15-year

:28:27.:28:29.

A clinical psychologist gave evidence to the court. Preoccupation

:28:30.:28:43.

regarding the impending procedures, guilt and his future. He appeared to

:28:44.:28:48.

have limited energy and his concentration waivered. He had no

:28:49.:28:54.

perceptionual disturbances. He displayed signs and reported

:28:55.:28:59.

symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety disorder and

:29:00.:29:04.

depressive disorder. If it was possible to call him as a witness,

:29:05.:29:08.

what is your view on that? He is not able to TV. His condition is severe.

:29:09.:29:20.

Some betting shops are offering customers perks. Some managers were

:29:21.:29:26.

told to offer free bets and to bring free drinks to customers to

:29:27.:29:29.

encourage them to keep on playing without a break. The industry says

:29:30.:29:32.

it takes responsible gambling seriously and has procedures in

:29:33.:29:35.

place to support anyone with a problem.

:29:36.:29:39.

Well, that's a summary of the news. Join me for BBC News Room Live from

:29:40.:29:44.

11am. A viewer tweeted, "It is breaking my

:29:45.:29:48.

heart to hear stories about these decent young people who went for a

:29:49.:29:55.

night out and never came out." Mika says, "God bless you all." John

:29:56.:29:59.

says, "Very sad and moving reporting on the evil killings in Orlando."

:30:00.:30:03.

Andrew Gray says, "Your programme is the first time since the attack that

:30:04.:30:07.

the focus has been on our community and not just seeing it as a just

:30:08.:30:13.

another terrorist attack." Thank you for those. Now the sport. Here is

:30:14.:30:17.

Sally in Paris. Good morning, Victoria. Northern

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Ireland have it all to do now. They have to make it through to the

:30:22.:30:25.

group, out of the group stage of the European Championships after they

:30:26.:30:27.

lost their opening match to Poland last night. It was only 1-0. The

:30:28.:30:33.

Irish failed to register a decent shot on target and they will need to

:30:34.:30:37.

improve with Ukraine and after that, the world champions, Germany still

:30:38.:30:40.

to come! Those two sides played last night

:30:41.:30:42.

with Germany winning 2-0. In other news, Wales's rugby tour of

:30:43.:30:57.

New Zealand will have to continue without star player George North,

:30:58.:31:02.

who suffered a significant hamstring injury during the defeat to the All

:31:03.:31:07.

Blacks on Saturday. Lewis Hamilton continued his charge up the F1

:31:08.:31:11.

driver standings after winning yesterday's Canadian Grand Prix. He

:31:12.:31:15.

finished ahead of his team-mates Nico Rosberg and is now only nine

:31:16.:31:18.

points behind him in the championship. And Alex Hales fell

:31:19.:31:24.

just short of his century as England set Sri Lanka in victory target of

:31:25.:31:31.

362 in the third and final test at Lords. They need to take ten Sri

:31:32.:31:37.

Lankan wickets today to wrap up the series 3-0. That is all the sport

:31:38.:31:39.

from Paris. Back to you. Thank you. It's just 10 days until the UK

:31:40.:31:46.

decides whether it wants to remain In a campaign that has lasted

:31:47.:31:49.

what feels like forever we have seen a whole host of claims and counter

:31:50.:31:54.

claims being pumped out from both the Leave and Remain camps,

:31:55.:31:57.

but who are we to believe? Last week we brought together

:31:58.:31:59.

a couple of totally independent and impartial experts in an attempt

:32:00.:32:02.

to try to get some Lots of you got in touch to ask

:32:03.:32:06.

for more from our experts, And with them some undecided voters

:32:07.:32:11.

who want to ask them some questions. Anand Menon is Professor

:32:12.:32:21.

of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at Kings College

:32:22.:32:30.

and the director of their EU Will Moy is the director

:32:31.:32:33.

of Full Fact, an organisation fact checking on issues

:32:34.:32:39.

around the EU Referendum. And Kismet Meyon, Hannah Buchanan,

:32:40.:32:43.

Anthony Olanipekun and Lubna Why should we believe you? We are

:32:44.:32:55.

nonpartisan fact checking charity which has been going since 2010. We

:32:56.:32:59.

don't take sides on any debate and we will be fact checking after the

:33:00.:33:04.

referendum as well. We also don't take sides and we let people know

:33:05.:33:07.

what the best research as to say about things so people can decide

:33:08.:33:14.

themselves. First question? Around 80,000 people in the UK are homeless

:33:15.:33:19.

this year. My question is what we would see if we leave. Would there

:33:20.:33:27.

be more housing, less housing, with that issue get resolved, would it

:33:28.:33:31.

increase? There are lots of different bits to this. This is not

:33:32.:33:38.

something the EU does directly, so it is not like farming where if we

:33:39.:33:42.

leave we need a new policy. It is about indirect effects. Some people

:33:43.:33:45.

say we can cut down on the number of migrants and free up housing. Other

:33:46.:33:49.

experts say migration will not fall that much if we leave. There is

:33:50.:33:54.

that. There is a possibility according to many economists that

:33:55.:33:57.

house prices might fall if we leave, but actually what we do about

:33:58.:34:00.

homelessness is a matter for our government. It will depend on who is

:34:01.:34:05.

in charge after we vote to leave and it will depend on how healthy the

:34:06.:34:09.

economy is. If the worst predictions prove to be true and our economy

:34:10.:34:12.

goes downhill after we leave, there will be less money for everything,

:34:13.:34:17.

but people dispute the claims about how badly the economy will be hit.

:34:18.:34:23.

Hannah, what about you? I am concerned about the NHS because all

:34:24.:34:27.

of a certain the NHS has been in so many of these debates about funding

:34:28.:34:32.

and patient capacity. I am really concerned about what happens if we

:34:33.:34:36.

stay in, if we go out. Do I believe the facts I am told by the

:34:37.:34:42.

politicians and all these people? Do I go against them? That is your

:34:43.:34:45.

decision to believe them or not but what would you say about the NHS and

:34:46.:34:53.

funding and capacity related to net migration? The NHS is run by the UK

:34:54.:34:56.

Government, or rather the devolved governments. The NHS as England is

:34:57.:35:00.

run in Westminster and in Scotland in Scotland and so on. The EU is not

:35:01.:35:06.

in charge of it. They do do something like medicine regulation.

:35:07.:35:10.

The head of the NHS, the chief executive, stood up on the Andrew

:35:11.:35:13.

Marr Show a few weeks ago and said he thought it was an issue for the

:35:14.:35:18.

NHS. He was not saying because the EU is directly in charge of the NHS.

:35:19.:35:23.

You are saying that if you listen to the governor of the Bank of England,

:35:24.:35:26.

that leaving would be bad for the economy, and things that are bad for

:35:27.:35:30.

the economy mean less money for everything including the NHS. As far

:35:31.:35:34.

as that goes, that is logical, but it is worth saying that we had a

:35:35.:35:38.

recession in 2008 and the government increased the amount of money going

:35:39.:35:42.

into the NHS, just barely, and at the price of less money going to

:35:43.:35:46.

other things, but it does not necessarily mean that if the economy

:35:47.:35:58.

goes down the NHS gets less money. Leaving certainly doesn't mean there

:35:59.:36:01.

are direct effect on the NHS in terms of how it is run. That will be

:36:02.:36:04.

up to the UK Government or the devolved governments after we leave

:36:05.:36:06.

if we leave. And what about the staff working for the NHS who are EU

:36:07.:36:09.

citizens and the number of patients needing to use the NHS who might be

:36:10.:36:12.

EU citizens? That is a really good question and quite a difficult

:36:13.:36:16.

question as well. We know for example that around 5% of people

:36:17.:36:19.

working in the English NHS are EU citizens. We know that 5% of people

:36:20.:36:27.

in England are EU citizens. We know that there have been lots of studies

:36:28.:36:31.

of the impact of immigration on public services and they tend to

:36:32.:36:35.

think it is a bit of a wash, actually. The difference isn't

:36:36.:36:39.

massive. English immigrants to pay taxes and contribute to the economy,

:36:40.:36:44.

but they also use services, and that maybe doesn't make much difference

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overall. The problem is of course those differences are not spread

:36:49.:36:51.

evenly throughout the country. In your local area you might be getting

:36:52.:36:55.

pressure because of an influx of people it wasn't prepared for, in

:36:56.:37:00.

schools or hospitals. And whatever else. Just because there isn't a

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massive overall effect, doesn't mean there are not places where there is

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a big effect. Anthony. Hello. My question is simple. How does leaving

:37:12.:37:14.

of staying affect the average working class citizen who wants to

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carry on getting on with their lives? That is broad. Do you mean

:37:19.:37:24.

jobs? Everything, livelihood generally. For myself and I can

:37:25.:37:28.

represent other people who don't understand what we should be

:37:29.:37:32.

focusing on in this debate. We are hearing about immigration, economy,

:37:33.:37:36.

but what about education and security and other things? How would

:37:37.:37:42.

leaving remaining affect the average working class citizen? Nobody knows

:37:43.:37:49.

holds and if we leave nobody can be certain what happens but I can tell

:37:50.:37:52.

you what the two sides are saying and unpick that. On the Remain side,

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they say working people stand to lose if we leave because the economy

:37:56.:37:59.

might be small and that would mean fewer jobs. If we leave, there is a

:38:00.:38:04.

study published by the national attitude of economic and social

:38:05.:38:07.

research, and they said the lowest paid would be worth it. On the other

:38:08.:38:12.

side, the Leave camp say that what the EU does is great for big

:38:13.:38:17.

businesses and corporations and fat cats, so actually if we leave, we

:38:18.:38:21.

can retard it our energy away from those people and towards ordinary

:38:22.:38:26.

working people. -- we can target our energy. But you have to decide who

:38:27.:38:30.

you believe because we are talking about the future and we don't know

:38:31.:38:34.

what will happen in the future. But that will take time, putting that

:38:35.:38:38.

energy into the working class. That would take a long time, we are

:38:39.:38:46.

talking years. We are talking about the economic impact of the EU but

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also whichever government we voted in 2020 and what they decide to do,

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so it is as much a question at the domestic level as the referendum. I

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have a couple of questions. From both sides we hear either that the

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EU is the best thing that has ever happened to us and on the other side

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it is the worst thing, it is very black and white. I think most of us

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know, being reasonable people who can think for ourselves somewhat, we

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know it cannot be quite as black and white as that. If we were to leave,

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what are the pathways available to us? Is there any pathway available

:39:28.:39:33.

to change the EU? Are we stuck with it? If we vote to leave, you still

:39:34.:39:40.

want to change it? All of us. We don't believe the politicians who

:39:41.:39:44.

say it would all be fantastic. Let's say we do vote to leave, then there

:39:45.:39:48.

is a big choice that follows after that. The question is whether we

:39:49.:39:53.

stay in the single market or whether we leave the single market

:39:54.:39:56.

completely. If you are in the single market, which Norway is for example,

:39:57.:40:00.

you are probably signed up to freedom of movement which means EU

:40:01.:40:04.

citizens being able to come and go, and who are probably signed up to

:40:05.:40:08.

accepting a lot of EU law, not all of it, and you are probably signed

:40:09.:40:12.

up to playing some money into the EU system in some way or other. Norway

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is involved in EU lawmaking in a consultative way. They have

:40:19.:40:20.

discussions about the laws that might affect it but they don't have

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a vote on them. You might have that kind of relationship and the

:40:24.:40:31.

government would handle that for us. If we leave altogether, then you are

:40:32.:40:33.

lobbying completely from the outside, just as we do with any

:40:34.:40:37.

other group of countries outside the UK. If we remain, how can we change

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it? You are the expert here. Thanks. If we remain and retain our seat on

:40:48.:40:51.

the table, we get a vote on everything. All EU laws have to be

:40:52.:40:55.

approved by governments, so the government gets a vote. There are

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lots of things on the government agenda at the moment that we will

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like. Opening up a digital market so we can buy and sell online more

:41:04.:41:07.

easily and being in will give us a say over that. The other thing you

:41:08.:41:14.

can do if you stay in is stopping things you don't like. There has

:41:15.:41:18.

been rumour-mongering about anti-EU armoury -- and EU army. You say that

:41:19.:41:27.

but I don't feel like I have any say over Europe. They make laws for us

:41:28.:41:32.

and we don't get a chance to vote on who they are. This is where I

:41:33.:41:38.

sympathise with you. What is the impact on my life going to be? You

:41:39.:41:42.

get big overall numbers on how it will affect the economy, but nobody

:41:43.:41:48.

translates that into what it means if I live here, if I have this job,

:41:49.:41:53.

I do this with my life. On lawmaking, the process he is

:41:54.:41:56.

describing is whether the government is talking to other governments, and

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that is not a process that is very close to us. They do it on our

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behalf and we don't have a direct say. The Council of ministers is one

:42:08.:42:14.

minister from each of the countries in the EU talking about what should

:42:15.:42:17.

happen and signing off on laws. That can feel very distant from your

:42:18.:42:24.

day-to-day lives. Actually translating that is difficult. We

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don't have time now but we can bring you back. Can we talk afterwards?

:42:31.:42:37.

Yes! We have ten days to go, so obviously we will be returning to

:42:38.:42:44.

it. We want to talk about the Human Rights Act. I promise we will come

:42:45.:42:49.

to that but not now, so it looks like you guys are coming back. The

:42:50.:42:54.

Labour MP Stephen Kinnock will be answering your questions at 11:30am

:42:55.:42:57.

on the BBC News Channel. You can get in touch:

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Staff in betting shops have told this programme they're being told

:43:03.:43:05.

to offer customers perks and incentives to keep them playing

:43:06.:43:07.

on controversial high stakes betting machines.

:43:08.:43:09.

Managers claim they're told to offer free bets,

:43:10.:43:11.

And, in one case, it was suggested lunch was bought for a high spending

:43:12.:43:18.

customer so he could keep playing without a break.

:43:19.:43:20.

The industry says it takes responsible gambling seriously

:43:21.:43:22.

and has procedures in place to catch and support anyone with a problem.

:43:23.:43:28.

We brought you Jim Reed's full report earlier in the programme.

:43:29.:43:30.

The betting industry has been growing fast over the last few years

:43:31.:43:38.

and the big chains now make big money from these fixed odd betting

:43:39.:43:41.

Machines which offer electronic roulette and other casino games.

:43:42.:43:48.

Under the current rules each shop can have a maximum of four.

:43:49.:43:51.

The last ten years, when the machines came in,

:43:52.:43:53.

They seemed to have a lot more problems.

:43:54.:43:57.

John, not his real name, was until recently

:43:58.:43:59.

He still has connections to the industry so doesn't

:44:00.:44:03.

We were given instructions, machine players, as soon

:44:04.:44:09.

as they come in, tea, coffee, whatever they want.

:44:10.:44:12.

So were you encouraged to make machine players in particular feel

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If the shop was too hot for them, we would turn the heating

:44:16.:44:26.

They were the gods of the betting shop.

:44:27.:44:30.

Coral told us it rejects the allegations made in this report.

:44:31.:44:33.

We spoke to another two store managers

:44:34.:44:54.

Both talked about the pressure they felt to hit financial targets

:44:55.:44:58.

One passed us internal e-mails he was sent from Coral's central

:44:59.:45:10.

It was about a new FOBT game called Big Banker.

:45:11.:45:35.

We showed the e-mails to Matt Zarb-Cousin from

:45:36.:45:37.

I think it shows really that self-regulation doesn't work.

:45:38.:45:42.

I mean, like any business, businesses, their primary objective

:45:43.:45:47.

The issue with machines is they shouldn't be allowed

:45:48.:45:51.

Under the industry's own code of conduct,

:45:52.:46:08.

all staff are meant to be trained to identify problem gamblers,

:46:09.:46:10.

but we were told it doesn't always happen.

:46:11.:46:13.

One, woman in her 20s, who does not work for Coral,

:46:14.:46:16.

The people we've spoken to seemed to suggest,

:46:17.:46:31.

who work on the shop floor, that the training does not

:46:32.:46:34.

always cascade down to the people who are working at 7pm, 8pm,

:46:35.:46:37.

It is absolutely the case that anybody joining and working

:46:38.:46:44.

in a betting shop will receive training about problem gambling.

:46:45.:46:47.

The worst environment that could be created would be to go

:46:48.:46:50.

back to the pre-1960s, and illegal bookmakers.

:46:51.:46:55.

Betting shops, though, are under pressure to do more.

:46:56.:47:01.

A parliamentary inquiry starts next month.

:47:02.:47:03.

Local councils have been pressing for stricter regulation.

:47:04.:47:05.

The industry may have to make changes before it is forced to.

:47:06.:47:11.

We can speak now to Simon Perfitt who lost ?200,000 over

:47:12.:47:13.

Carolyn Harris, a Labour MP who has set-up a group of MPs to investigate

:47:14.:47:22.

And Malcolm George, Chief Executive of the Association

:47:23.:47:24.

Welcome all of you. Malcolm George since we played Jim's piece earlier,

:47:25.:47:37.

Matt says, "I work in a bookies. We had to find ten VIP fixed odds

:47:38.:47:42.

betting terminal players so they would play more." CT says, "I once

:47:43.:47:49.

had a customer do 10 K in a day. The area manager called me and said well

:47:50.:47:55.

done." This e-mail from Charles who uses betting shops, "I play these

:47:56.:47:58.

machines and he names three different operators. One of the

:47:59.:48:01.

operators, I'm offered a drink upon entry. One of the operators I'm

:48:02.:48:06.

being asked to trial new games. One of the operators, the manager tries

:48:07.:48:10.

to get every single person placing a bet to take on a connect card

:48:11.:48:15.

because they will earn lots of bonuses and there is no logical

:48:16.:48:19.

reason for not doing it." It is going on. Well, let's unbundle some

:48:20.:48:25.

of the accusations. We do offer tea and coffee in our shops. They are a

:48:26.:48:29.

social environment and we want our staff to interact. They are perks

:48:30.:48:34.

and incentives? Tea and coffee, anyone goes in a betting shop,

:48:35.:48:37.

whether you are betting on horses or greyhounds, you can have a cup of

:48:38.:48:41.

tea or coffee. You compare it to any other industry. In the drinks

:48:42.:48:45.

industry, they offer salty snacks that make you drink more, but in tea

:48:46.:48:49.

and coffee don't influence your gambling. Instead, they allow our

:48:50.:48:54.

staff to interact and that is the most important element of a betting

:48:55.:48:58.

shop. What about the financial targets that staff in betting shops

:48:59.:49:02.

are expected to reach. Managers at one operator get an annual bonus

:49:03.:49:06.

which is dependant on various things including having to meet financial

:49:07.:49:10.

targets on these particular betting terminals? Staff are incentivised to

:49:11.:49:16.

encourage people to ice their shops whether it is for horses... To use

:49:17.:49:23.

the fixed odds betting terminals? It may form an element of their bonus,

:49:24.:49:27.

but they are encouraged to make shops, clean and tidy and places

:49:28.:49:32.

people want to go. No alarm bells ringing about the targets and

:49:33.:49:36.

financial incentives... Across retail... No alarm bells ringing? I

:49:37.:49:43.

know how our members work. I know incentives provide a part of the

:49:44.:49:46.

package of somebody working in a shop, does that create a positive

:49:47.:49:50.

shop? Does that create an environment where people want to go?

:49:51.:49:54.

Yes, it does. Does... Do you think it leads to addiction? No, not at

:49:55.:50:01.

all. We are not, we are absolutely do not encourage addiction. Our

:50:02.:50:05.

members will remove the target of somebody if they are subsequently

:50:06.:50:11.

barred from a shop. So... You're frowning at most things Malcolm is

:50:12.:50:15.

saying, why? That's not what I'm hearing. That's not the scenarios

:50:16.:50:21.

I'm hearing. I heard the bit about being sociable and having a tea and

:50:22.:50:24.

coffee, I have been told they are providing community service. There

:50:25.:50:28.

are other places to go far more beneficial to the community and to

:50:29.:50:32.

the individual than to a bookmakers shop where these addictive machines

:50:33.:50:36.

are which are as addictive as crack cocaine. They are as addictive. And

:50:37.:50:40.

it has been my experience since I've, since I've come to be an MP

:50:41.:50:44.

and I've spoken to people and people have gone out of their way to

:50:45.:50:48.

contact me and tell me the machines are ruining lives and in some cases,

:50:49.:50:54.

taking lives. Simon, in terms of the damaging effect, your addiction to

:50:55.:50:59.

these terminals has been loosing ?200,000 over ten years. What drew

:51:00.:51:03.

you to them in the first place? Well, my experience is similar to

:51:04.:51:10.

Tony's in the film. But it is not really about money, I suppose, it is

:51:11.:51:15.

about the time you lose. The relationships that you lose. And

:51:16.:51:21.

despite what Malcolm says, they are addictive machines. His own data,

:51:22.:51:28.

from his own industry, which was looked at this year, found that one

:51:29.:51:34.

in four people that play FOBTs are addicts. That's 25%. That's not

:51:35.:51:40.

technically right, is it? The real figure is in fact, that was... I can

:51:41.:51:46.

show you the report. A small group was selected specifically because

:51:47.:51:52.

they were loyalty card players. A group which is not involved. Loyalty

:51:53.:51:59.

card customers are not the most involved gamblers. It is probably

:52:00.:52:03.

higher. Only the ones with loyalty cards are trackable or traceable. We

:52:04.:52:07.

can argue about the numbers and the figures and the percentages. What is

:52:08.:52:12.

interesting amongst many interesting things is that you say there is no

:52:13.:52:19.

issue, it is fine? No, I am not an addiction denier, but I believe that

:52:20.:52:23.

gambling addiction is multi-facetted. It can exhibit

:52:24.:52:27.

itself in machines. It can exhibit itself in casinos and exhibit itself

:52:28.:52:33.

in amusement arcades and if we are to focus on problem gamblers and you

:52:34.:52:39.

mentioned Tony and he had a multi-facetted gambling problem. His

:52:40.:52:44.

addiction started long before FOBTs. People who work in betting shops,

:52:45.:52:48.

who continue to work in betting shops, you dismiss the tea and

:52:49.:52:52.

coffee as a sociable thing. They feel it is encouraging people to

:52:53.:52:55.

stay in the shops and spend more? Do we want to go back to some 1960s

:52:56.:53:00.

environment where we are covering up the windows... No, no, they are not

:53:01.:53:05.

suggesting that. They are sensible people who work in the shops say

:53:06.:53:09.

these are incentre tis and perk that is we're expected to offer? Tea and

:53:10.:53:14.

coffee don't encourage people to gamble, they do the opposite. They

:53:15.:53:20.

allow people to take a break from their gambling and allow people to

:53:21.:53:25.

interact with our staff. Removing tea and coffee is insane. It is not

:53:26.:53:29.

just tea and coffee. A young man comes in on a Saturday to place a

:53:30.:53:36.

football bet, and you give them a voucher for a machine for free

:53:37.:53:42.

spins. You're trying to hook sports gamblers in into machine gambling

:53:43.:53:45.

because you know most of your profits come from machine gambling.

:53:46.:53:48.

That's a fact. They don't come from machine gambling. It is about

:53:49.:53:53.

half-and-half. The point is about the free voucher, that's the point.

:53:54.:53:56.

Allowing somebody to play a game or encourage somebody to play a game

:53:57.:54:01.

that is no more addictive than any other activity to where he has the

:54:02.:54:04.

option of a casino. He has the option of playing online. He has the

:54:05.:54:09.

option of a bookmaker. That is the right... If it is such a sociable

:54:10.:54:15.

and pleasant environment to be in, when the machines are getting

:54:16.:54:19.

smashed up, which they are, why is it bookmaker staff told me that they

:54:20.:54:24.

are not allowed to phone the police, they can phone to have the machine

:54:25.:54:28.

repaired and ban the player. Any aggression in a betting shop, we

:54:29.:54:32.

report it to the police. These crime numbers are down. Thank you very

:54:33.:54:35.

much for coming on the programme. Thank you.

:54:36.:54:42.

The gunman suspected of carrying out America's deadliest terrorist attack

:54:43.:54:51.

The father of one opened fire with an assault rival and took hostages

:54:52.:54:58.

before being killed by police. President Obama said the attack was

:54:59.:55:01.

a reminder of how easy it was for Americans to buy guns. According to

:55:02.:55:07.

the website Mass Shooting Tracker, the Orlando attack was the 176th

:55:08.:55:11.

time this year in which four or more people in the US were killed or

:55:12.:55:15.

injured by a single incident involving a gun.

:55:16.:55:25.

Let's talk to Benjamin Brown. Benjamin Brown first of all, you

:55:26.:55:38.

will have heard, of course, people saying that the gun controls have to

:55:39.:55:42.

be tightened. A lot of people asking why a man who was apparently

:55:43.:55:45.

mentally unstable and who had been questioned by the FBI on three

:55:46.:55:50.

occasion was able to buy a handgun and assault rival in recent days?

:55:51.:55:54.

Yes, I'm not sure why he was able to. That's a fault on the FBI for

:55:55.:56:00.

their background check. If he was able to pass a background check, the

:56:01.:56:05.

only person liable there was the FBI. If he was investigated twice in

:56:06.:56:09.

the past three years, the person who sold the firearm did his job. The

:56:10.:56:13.

gentleman who took the firearm and committed the crime, he is the one

:56:14.:56:16.

who broke the law. We did our part to prevent as much as we could.

:56:17.:56:24.

Andrew Patrick, you will have heard the cries from restricted gun

:56:25.:56:27.

ownership, it never happens, is that the will of the American people? Is

:56:28.:56:31.

that the powerful gun lobby? Well, we have seen a lot of success at the

:56:32.:56:38.

State level over the past three years, multiple States have passed

:56:39.:56:42.

universal background checks as well as stronger laws. There is a hold up

:56:43.:56:45.

in Congress, but we believe that's not the way to judge this issue.

:56:46.:56:49.

Congress can barely pass transportation for farm Bills much

:56:50.:56:53.

less than issue like gun violence prevention. But more people were

:56:54.:56:56.

involved in this issue, more people are getting involved and that will,

:56:57.:57:02.

we believe, lead to a new leadership in Congress and stronger gun laws

:57:03.:57:05.

for this country to prevent these type of tragedies from happening.

:57:06.:57:09.

Stronger in what way? I think you can look at first of all the terror

:57:10.:57:15.

gap that exists. If you were on the no fly list or the terrorist watch

:57:16.:57:19.

list, you are still allowed to buy a gun. That is a travesty. Like you

:57:20.:57:25.

said this gentleman was interviewed by the FBI three times, I believe,

:57:26.:57:32.

still able to buy a gun. Also, the national instant background system

:57:33.:57:36.

has not been funded at its proper levels. We call on Congress to fully

:57:37.:57:40.

fund the system. So that the right information is in the background

:57:41.:57:48.

check system and we have dangerous individuals, they are taken into

:57:49.:57:51.

account when the background checks are run.

:57:52.:57:56.

Benjamin, really, really briefly. What questions do you ask someone

:57:57.:58:01.

who wants a z to buy a gun from you? Is this gun for you? I make them

:58:02.:58:13.

sign a waiver. If you intend harming someone, don't come back. We need to

:58:14.:58:19.

rewrite the gun laws. Florida had a statute in Florida says that you

:58:20.:58:23.

cannot take a firearm into a nightclub or a bar. Thank you,

:58:24.:58:25.

gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you for your company today.

:58:26.:58:29.

Have a good day.

:58:30.:58:31.

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