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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire - | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
Our top story today: The head of the English Football Association | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
is seriously worried about the safety of England | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
fans ahead of their next game in Euro 2016. | :00:18. | :00:25. | |
Yes, Greg Dyke has said stewarding arrangements inside the stadium in | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
Marseille on Saturday were unacceptable, and has rejected the | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
notion that England fans were partly to blame for the trouble. | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
Also on the programme: Vigils have been held in Orlando | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
and across the world to remember the victims of America's deadliest | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
We condemn the ideology of hate and death and destruction, and we call | :00:44. | :00:55. | |
for all Muslim leaders and communities across this nation and | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
across the world to stand up and to deal with this cancer and remove it | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
once and for all. But what does Islam say | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
about homosexuality, and does its stance make it harder for gay | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
Muslims to accept themselves? A gay Muslim and an imam | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
will give us their views. If there was a child in the home and | :01:13. | :01:21. | |
the night before there has been called the police and there has been | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
domestic abuse, I, as a teacher, will be told that have happened | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
prior to 9am the next day, and what it means is that we, their teachers, | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
who spend large parts of their time with us, we can do something to | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
support them. And more exclusive access | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
to a scheme in schools which helps children who've been exposed | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
to domestic violence at home. Hello, welcome to the programme - | :01:47. | :01:55. | |
we're live until 11am. Throughout the programme we'll bring | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
you the latest breaking news and developing stories, | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
including a story about a mum in Newcastle who's had | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
17 children removed We'll discuss repeat | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
removals before 11am. Do get in touch on all the stories | :02:07. | :02:15. | |
we're talking about - If you text, you will be charged | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
at the standard network rate. Our top story today: The chairman | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
of the FA, Greg Dyke, has written to Uefa to say he has | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
serious concerns about security England fans will gather in the city | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
ahead of Thursday's match against Wales in the nearby small | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
town of Lens. Russia play in Lille | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
the night before. Uefa has warned both teams | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
they could be expelled from the Euros if there's further | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
violence by their fans. The issue is that Lens and Lille are | :02:48. | :02:59. | |
pretty close together so Russian supporters will be mixing with | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
English supporters? Yes, it is a potential flash point | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
because the Russia game, as you said, is on the Wednesday night but | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
Lille, lots of accommodation, all the bars will be open, compared with | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
Lens, which is a smaller town where the bars are likely to be closed, so | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
lots of England and Wales fans are expected to stay in Lille on | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
Wednesday night. When we looked at accommodation for Lens for Thursday | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
morning we could not get any because it is booked up, so Lille is | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
potentially the scene where supporters from all four teams | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
playing on Wednesday and Thursday will be, and you have to look at the | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
station as potentially an area where there might be a problem. An advance | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
team has gone ahead and made the journey from Lille to Lens and have | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
reported back and said the situation is tricky because they will check | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
all to get manually going onto the trains, trains from Lille to Lens | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
are incredibly small so the supporters will be | :03:58. | :04:13. | |
packed in close proximity for a decent length of journey before | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
getting to the stadium, and potentially they will have been | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
drinking in the bars of Lille that day already. One advantage is that | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
the England game on Thursday is the early kick-off which potentially | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
cuts down the number of drinking hours, and there is also the | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
possibility that alcohol may be banned completely. But I think the | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
authorities are looking closely at Wednesday in Lille and Thursday in | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
Lens as potentially a problem. What is Greg Dyke thing into Uefa | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
about this? Greg Dyke's T Uefa was interesting. | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
He condemned the violence in the old port in Marseille, he said he didn't | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
approve of the England fans who were part of that. He made no bones about | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
that, frankly, but he went on to say, almost standing up for the | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
England supporters who were in the stadium, making the distinction | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
between what happened in the old port and what happened in the | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
stadium. He said the segregation inside the stadium on Saturday was | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
inadequate, the stewarding was not appropriate, and we have heard from | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Mark Robinson this morning, the BBC pundit, who was there, who said Uefa | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
can manage Champions League and big European games by segregating the | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
fans well. You might lose some seats but it has to happen, keeping the | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
fans apart, making one set of fans leave the stadium while another is | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
kept inside the stadium for 20 minutes after take-off. He makes the | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
valid point, why are they not looking at doing that here? I think | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
Greg Dyke's intervention at this point is an marker because he has to | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
acknowledge a problem with the fans but also says that the security | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
arrangement for the fans and the teams are not quite as good as the | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
FA would like it to be. Sadly, for the moment, thank you. | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
Vigils and memorials have been held in Orlando, | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
across the UK and around the world for the victims of Sunday's | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
There are reports that the gunman visited the club several times, | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
and authorities are still trying to understand his motives, | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
and whether he was inspired purely by so-called Islamic State. | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
President Obama will travel to Orlando on Thursday | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
to meet the families and friends of those who died. | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
This is a show of unity and strength, defiance | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
in the face of terror and hate, as the community comes together | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
There was support too from around the world. | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
Thousands took to the streets of London in solidarity, | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
as stories spread from those who survived. | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
You hear what sounds like fireworks and balloons popping and you assume | :06:45. | :06:52. | |
it is part of the show. And then you hear people start screaming. The | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
sound doesn't stop. More details have emerged | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
about the man at the centre 29-year-old Omar Mateen, | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
a US citizen of Afghan descent. He called to declare allegiance | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
to the so-called Islamic State, The FBI said there is no clear | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
evidence he was directed They believe he may have been | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
radicalised within the US, What he did was totally, | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
totally wrong. Even though he's my son, | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
I have to admit this I mean, it is terrorising the whole | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
people, and I don't forgive him. The brutality of one man | :07:28. | :07:35. | |
is difficult for many to comprehend. But age, sexuality, race, | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
or religion, it does A message of hope, after one | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
of the darkest days And we can speak to Laura | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
live now from Orlando. As we were seeing there, a community | :07:50. | :08:04. | |
coming together and president Obama is going to visit as well? | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
Yes, we are expecting President Obama here on Thursday. A statement | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
from the White House, we are not sure what the visit will entail but | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
we understand it is expected he will speak with victims' families, the | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
police and FBI to get an update on the operation here. We have been | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
getting reports in the last few hours that the gunman, Omar Mateen, | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
had visited the Pulse nightclub on previous occasions. These reports | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
come from local newspapers who said they spoke to regulars at the club | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
who recognised him. We don't know why he visited the club, was he | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
scouting out a potential target or was he there for other reasons? We | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
have had no comment so far from Orlando police or the FBI on this. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
We know the FBI is investigating whether or not he was scouting out | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
other targets here in Orlando, including Disney World, but as you | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
saw from the pictures, thousands of people gathered here in the last few | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
hours, and just as dusk fell per bel told 49 times, one for each of the | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
lives lost -- the Bell tolled. The French President, | :09:15. | :09:28. | |
Francois Hollande, has described the killing of a senior police | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
officer and his partner near Paris, The officer, who wasn't in uniform, | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
was stabbed outside his home by a man who then barricaded himself | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
into the house. A police raid found the bodies | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
of a woman and that of the attacker. It's reported that the attacker | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
claimed allegiance to With just over a week to go | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
until the EU referendum, the Vote Leave campaign says it | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
will maintain funding to universities, regions | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
and organisations that currently receive money from | :09:51. | :09:51. | |
the European Union The leading Conservative | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
campaigners Boris Johnson and Michael Gove say the same money | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
will still be found. The Remain side says the claims | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
are "fantasy economics". Oscar Pistorius is back | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
in court in Pretoria this morning for the second day | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
of his sentencing hearing. The athlete was found guilty | :10:08. | :10:09. | |
of murdering his girlfriend Yesterday a psychologist | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
for the defence said Pistorius was a "broken man" suffering | :10:12. | :10:19. | |
from "major depression", and was not The trial starts today | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
of Led Zeppelin founders Robert Plant and Jimmy Page | :10:24. | :10:35. | |
in a copyright row over The band's been accused of lifting | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
the song's famous opening from an instrumental called Taurus | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
by the American band Spirit, who they appeared alongside | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
at their first concert back in 1968. I think the band actually was called | :10:44. | :10:55. | |
Torres and the song was called Spirit, but there we go. | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
Back to Sally in Paris for the sports headlines. | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
It is a relief to talk about sport and not potential flash points here. | :11:14. | :11:15. | |
Here in Paris yesterday Ireland against Sweden | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
And it was an own goal that cost Martin O'Neill's side the win. | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
Sweden didn't have a single shot on target. | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
The atmosphere in Paris must have been just what the tournament | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
And the Republic of Ireland's performance got the seal of approval | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
The way the Irish set about Sweden was impressive. | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
The only thing missing from the first half, a goal. | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
High tempo from Martin O'Neill's side created plenty of high drama. | :11:42. | :11:52. | |
Jeff Hendrick could, but only with the crossbar. | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
The luck of the Swedish finally ran out in the second half. | :11:57. | :11:58. | |
Great work from Everton's Seamus Coleman. | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
He picked up Wes Hoolahan of Norwich, no stopping this one. | :12:03. | :12:11. | |
Ireland had kept Sweden's star man quiet for most of the match, | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
but it was Zlatan Ibrahimovic's cross which turned | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
The unfortunate Irishman Sweden had to thank next was Ciaran Clark. | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
His manager naturally had mixed feelings about the 1-1 draw. | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
Massive disappointment we didn't take three points. | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
Eventually things like that become costly. | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
They will need to be terrific again against Belgium | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
Italy are in charge in Group E after a 2-0 win over Belgium. | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
This late goal from Southampton striker Graziano Pelle | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
Defending champions Spain are up and running. | :12:51. | :12:59. | |
Despite being totally dominant against the Czech Republic | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
they could only muster one goal in Touluse. | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
One other line of football news and Chinese businessman Dr Tony Xia | :13:05. | :13:12. | |
has completed his ?76 million takeover of Championship | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
England's cricketers were frustrated by the weather as rain forced a draw | :13:15. | :13:25. | |
After a delayed start, they managed only one of the ten | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
wickets they needed for a win before the heavens opened again. | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
Rain also put paid to some tennis yesterday but Heather Watson made | :13:33. | :13:40. | |
the second round of the Birmingham open. And these are the scenes at | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
Queens. Andy Murray faces Nicolas Mahut later. | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
Now how about this for a practice partner? | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
Andy Murray warmed up for Queens with a knockabout | :13:53. | :13:54. | |
And his dad David has praised him as a role model. | :13:55. | :14:02. | |
When you look at role models, you want them to be passionate about | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
their sport, passionate about what they do. Play hard all the time, and | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
Andy is one of those players. It is great for any junket to have great | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
role models in sport and Andy is definitely one of those for many | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
kids around the world. You have set the bar high, he has practised with | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
Andy Murray so you have two up your game, David! I was going to play | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
with him tomorrow morning but I don't I will now! | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
I'm sure he will be ready good at tennis just like everything else! | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
Back to you, Victoria. What happens to children who are | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
exposed to domestic abuse at home? It's thought that as many as one | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
in five children are affected by it and in many instances they go | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
to school the next day This programme has been given | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
exclusive access to one scheme The plan is based on a simple idea, | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
that if the police are called to a domestic violence incident | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
and there's a child there, the officers will tell that child's | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
school by 9am the next day. The school can then offer | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
them specific help. It's called Operation Encompass, | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
and it's now being run in schools with the help of 12 | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
police forces in the UK. Our reporter Rebecca Wilcox has been | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
to find out more. I just heard rustling, I turned | :15:15. | :15:21. | |
around and I got severely beaten up. I don't remember | :15:22. | :15:31. | |
anything for three days. I had lumps on the back of my head | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
like I have never felt or seen, blood in my hair, | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
on my ear, it was awful. Out of all the punches and bruising | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
and the mental torture to me, that is the worst part, | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
children seeing was really hard, hard for a parent and, | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
more importantly, hard He would push me, shove me, | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
there have been occasions In England and Wales a quarter | :16:01. | :16:14. | |
of a million women experience Jane, not her real name, | :16:15. | :16:30. | |
is one of them, and, like many Locking me out of my | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
house with my children. I could not go back to the house | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
to get my stuff, because he Her kids make up just three | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
of the estimated million children in the UK who have been | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
affected by domestic abuse. Lis Carney-Howarth is | :16:49. | :16:59. | |
the headteacher of an infant She was frustrated by the lack | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
of help given to kids She turned to her husband David, | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
he was then a police sergeant who regularly | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
answered domestic-violence I came home from work one | :17:13. | :17:14. | |
day absolutely furious, because in school I'd | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
had a meeting with my educational-welfare officer, | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
and she told me about a case of domestic abuse that had happened | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
to one of my children five weeks five months earlier, | :17:28. | :17:38. | |
and I could pinpoint It had changed from being | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
a perfectly happy little boy in school to being a child who came | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
in not wanting to leave the classroom, go to assembly, | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
hiding under tables, running out I came home and David | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
was in our sitting room and I suspect I was angry with him | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
and said to him that this was so ridiculous, | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
because the police have been called If I had been told, | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
I might have been able You off-load, and she said, | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
"This has happened in school today, I thought, I know that | :18:08. | :18:17. | |
information is there, but it is not something | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
I have had to think about, I thought, it is a simple | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
thing to do, to say, They spent all of their spare time | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
when not tending to their picks trying to find a way to help kids | :18:32. | :18:45. | |
who have witnessed Eventually they came up | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
with a new initiative called Operation Encompass, | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
and they pushed to get it set up in a handful of schools in Plymouth | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
and the surrounding area. If there is a child in a home | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
and the night before there has been a call to the police and there has | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
been domestic abuse, I will be told that has happened | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
prior to 9am the next school day. It means that the teachers, | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
who will spend a large part of time with them, | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
can support them. We can have school uniform ready, | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
so they don't feel different, if they have not had breakfast, | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
we can make sure they have some. We can sit down with them and say | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
that we know something happened last night, and if they want | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
to talk to us, they can. Because we know this is a home | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
where there is domestic abuse, we would always have special | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
attention on those children. That is where Jane | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
and her son come in. We're calling him Alex, | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
he was just five when the scheme This is the first time the mother | :19:51. | :19:52. | |
of a child who has been on the scheme has | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
spoken to the media. We wanted to speak to him as well, | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
but understandably Jane was worried So she told me what | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
they had been through. He had seen me getting my hair | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
pulled, to the point where We went out for a while, | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
and as we came back he locked all of the doors and we could not | :20:13. | :20:21. | |
get back into the house. There was shouting and screaming, | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
lots of shouting and screaming. Lis remembers it well, | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
it was the first call she received. I got the call to say there had been | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
an incident the night before, I spoke to his reception class | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
teacher and fed her for it. When he arrived at school, | :20:47. | :20:55. | |
Alex brought with him a teddy bear. Normally, when a child brings one | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
in, we would say, "Is Mummy taking the teddy bear home or shall we put | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
it somewhere safe in the classroom?" Because we knew what had happened, | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
his class teacher did not do that, and she let him bring | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
it into school. All we did was not ask | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
that the teddy bear go home and not For us, that was nothing, | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
but to that little boy That really helped him and it | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
helped me to stay strong, because I knew I was not just | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
sending my boy to school to be worrying about what is going | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
on at home, feeling frightened, having nobody to talk to, | :21:43. | :21:44. | |
because the headteacher and his They really nursed him and gave him | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
all of the attention he needed, He came out of school that day much | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
brighter than when he went in, and it makes my hair | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
stand up, it really does. I did not want to send my baby | :22:05. | :22:12. | |
to school that day. That was a lot of weight | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
taken off my shoulders. So I could concentrate on trying | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
to clear up the mess and then think about my next move to get away | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
from this situation. Jane thought things were getting | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
better, but worse was yet to come. It was about 11:30pm, | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
maybe 12am by the time you have done the cleaning, | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
I have to look to doors, and when I got to the second | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
door, I heard rustling. I turned around, I got | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
severely beaten up. I don't remember | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
anything for three days. My lips were cut, all over my head, | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
lumps on the back of my head that I have never felt or seem, | :23:05. | :23:12. | |
I could not brush my hair, I felt like my hand was there, | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
there was blood in my head, I thought I would never get out | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
of this, I thought, this is it, But there is light at | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
the end of the tunnel. Alex is in a lovely village | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
school now, he loves it. There is light at the end | :23:37. | :23:47. | |
of the tunnel. From these small beginnings, | :23:48. | :24:05. | |
Operation Encompass has been rolled out in at least 12 other police | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
forces, including Merseyside, Everybody thinks it is | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
already being done. Unless you are in the police | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
or education, everybody else automatically shims this | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
information is already shared. Now, what we are trying to do | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
is make sure that every police force Lots of them are doing this already, | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
but lots is not enough. It should be in every force, | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
every school, every child. We want more momentum, | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
somebody to take control, maybe from Government, and say, | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
as a stand-alone project, Even though Jane has moved on, | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
she is still grateful for the support her youngest | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
received from Operation Encompass. Before the school got involved, | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
she told me Alex had started That is so out of character, | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
he has always been I could see it with my own eyes, | :25:04. | :25:12. | |
him changing, with what was going I thought it was | :25:13. | :25:20. | |
going to damage him. As soon as he became part | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
of the Operation Encompass, the bad behaviour stopped, | :25:25. | :25:26. | |
he stopped spitting and swearing. He was getting back | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
to the lovely little boy. I was very lucky to have Lis | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
and be part of the school, and Alex could be loved and nurtured | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
and helped in every If he would not have had that help | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
when he was five, it makes me feel sick to the stomach to think | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
what he might be like now. Let's hear from the Police and Crime | :25:51. | :26:14. | |
Commissioner from Northumbria, one of the areas where the scheme is | :26:15. | :26:15. | |
run. Why did you want this? It seems like | :26:16. | :26:25. | |
an obvious idea. 80% of families with children, the children are | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
either there in the room or witnessing it from their bedroom | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
with this domestic abuse happens. Lots of children are affected. They | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
go to school, perhaps they do not have uniform or have had breakfast, | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
they must be in danger of being told off, but they need support. Why | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
don't the police pass on the information to a key adult so that | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
extra care can be given to the child to try to normalise it? The child is | :26:54. | :27:01. | |
likely to be badly affected by what has happened, anxiety, scared, | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
traumatised, and that will impede their learning. The school needs to | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
normalise it, agreed the child, take more care of them, so they don't | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
lose out. How is it working? There are a number of local authorities. | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
We started it in one of the six, it took a long time, because it is new. | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
And schools are quite fragmented, academies, free schools and so on. | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
We had to go to each school, it took a year. But it went down so well, | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
including a really good Ofsted of children services in Gateshead that | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
said, though it has not yet been evaluated, it is really promising. | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
What happened then was some of the Gateshead teachers helped us move it | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
into the other local authorities. It is now in five out of the six, with | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
the sixth to come. How many children have been helped in your area? In | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
the first year in Gateshead, 1500 children were helped. The likelihood | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
is it is a big thing. Similar stories to those that Rebecca was | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
bringing us on the film, children who might turn up with their teddy | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
bear because it is comfortable? Yes, one boy came with a doll of some | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
kind, normally that would not be allowed, just because the police had | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
told the school he was allowed to keep it, it was a comfort to him. | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
Teachers would say it is just a smile and a greeting when the child | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
comes through, it makes them realise their whole world has not just been | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
fractured and ruined, there is something stable. Peter is | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
interested, he says, it sounds like a logical idea, I wonder if it has | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
occurred to teachers that telling the child they know could be | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
devastating to the child. I am not sure the teachers would go that far, | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
do they? I don't think so. You need to ask a teacher about that, but my | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
guess is they give a bit of extra help and support. Depends how the | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
child reacts, I would guess. Is there any reason why it could not be | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
rolled out across all of England and Wales? It should be. My suggestion | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
to the great folk in your film who organised it, we have got an | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
association of Police and Crime Commissioners, they could come to | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
that, I could sponsor them to do that, they could talk to all 40 | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
commissioners, described how straightforward and obvious it is, | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
and I would be very surprised if they did not all take it on. It is | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
just a relatively new idea that folk have not realised is there and does | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
unmitigated good. And if you want to watch - | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
or share - that full film you can find it | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
on our programme page, Unconfirmed reports that the man | :29:58. | :30:09. | |
responsible for killing 49 gay people in that nightclub in Orlando | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
had previously visited the club as a customer. And used gay dating apps. | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
We will look at what Muslims say about homosexuality and whether it | :30:21. | :30:30. | |
makes it harder for gamers limbs to accept themselves. | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
And a mum in her 40s has 17 children taken into care. | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
The. With before 11am. -- duffle story. | :30:40. | :30:48. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :30:49. | :30:59. | |
The Chairman of the FA, Greg Dyke, has written to European | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
football's governing body, Uefa, to express 'serious | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
concern' about security arrangements in Lille, | :31:06. | :31:06. | |
where England and Russia fans will gather for this | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
Both sets of supporters clashed in Marseilles at the weekend. | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
Both teams have been warned they could be expelled | :31:13. | :31:14. | |
from the Euros if their supporters are involved in more violence. | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
The FA chairman has rejected a suggestion that England fans | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
were at fault for scenes inside the stadium | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
Oscar Pistorius is back in court in Pretoria this | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
morning for the second day of his sentencing hearing. | :31:25. | :31:26. | |
The athlete was found guilty of murdering his girlfriend | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
Yesterday a psychologist for the defence said Pistorius | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
was a "broken man" suffering from "major depression", and was not | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
Reeva Steenkamp father is currently giving evidence and we can hear some | :31:38. | :31:46. | |
of it. It is very difficult to explain when | :31:47. | :31:57. | |
you talk about the incident, are you talking about what happened that | :31:58. | :32:07. | |
day? Yes. I don't wish that on any human being. Finding out what | :32:08. | :32:25. | |
happened, it devastated us. So many things since then have happened, we | :32:26. | :32:34. | |
have gone to doctors and surgeons which I still have to go to pour my | :32:35. | :32:43. | |
heart, and everything like that. I just don't wish that on anybody in | :32:44. | :32:52. | |
this whole world. Let us put the family into perspective. You have a | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
son from a previous marriage? I have a son from a previous garage, Adam, | :32:58. | :33:04. | |
he is in England. How old is he? He has just turned 40 years old. June | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
has a daughter from a previous marriage, Simone. How old is she? | :33:10. | :33:19. | |
Simone is 50. Do you mind if I ask your age? I'm 73 years old. Kim gave | :33:20. | :33:33. | |
evidence and she indicated that you lived in Cape Town and then moved? | :33:34. | :33:41. | |
That is correct, I think the year 1991. In Port Elizabeth, was Reeva | :33:42. | :33:57. | |
there as a minor child? She was the only minor child that lived there | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
with us. We will view the day of the incident in more detail, but you | :34:04. | :34:11. | |
explained to me one of the consequences of what happened is | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
that your landlord took certain steps? Yes. We were, at that time, | :34:16. | :34:33. | |
in financial difficulty, and with Reeva's passing the landlady had | :34:34. | :34:45. | |
found out that I was virtually bankrupt, and within two weeks after | :34:46. | :34:55. | |
Reeva's death, she gave us notice on the house. We had never been behind | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
in anything but she gave us notice because of what she read in the | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
newspapers. We could have stayed on but we decided it was so distasteful | :35:03. | :35:10. | |
of her to do something like that that we decided to reallocate | :35:11. | :35:22. | |
immediately. Mr Steenkamp, Kim also gave evidence that Reeva indicated | :35:23. | :35:31. | |
that she one day wanted to look after you, do you know that? Yes, I | :35:32. | :35:44. | |
do know about that. Reeva left me to come up to Johannesburg thinking | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
that things would move faster here for her, Port Elizabeth commie sorry | :35:50. | :35:56. | |
Port Elizabeth and is, it is a little bit further behind as far as | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
things like modelling are concerned, so she decided to come here, go | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
through the whole cycle of her modelling career, and there | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
afterwards to go back into law and one day open up her own thing, and | :36:12. | :36:20. | |
she had always said when that time comes that she would look after June | :36:21. | :36:28. | |
and myself. Were you proud of her having completed her studies? Very | :36:29. | :36:36. | |
proud of Reeva, yes. She got bursaries and distinctions, and she | :36:37. | :36:49. | |
also helped herself by going through varsity, we had taken out certain | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
insurers is and that for her to go through varsity and of course, yes, | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
we were completely and utterly proud of her, yes. As far as looking after | :36:59. | :37:07. | |
you is concerned, you have indicated that, at that time, financially you | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
were in a difficult time but something interesting happened on | :37:12. | :37:19. | |
the 13th? Yes, just before the 13th, Reeva phoned home mum and said, I'm | :37:20. | :37:32. | |
on Tropic, you must watch. June said, our TV is not working so we | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
will have to do something about it. She said, don't worry, I will pay | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
for that for you straightaway but just make sure that you watch the | :37:42. | :37:53. | |
episode of Tropica. So she paid for your television on the 13th of | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
February? That's right. Then... Unfortunately I have to take you | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
back to the day of the murder. Where were you? I was at work. When I | :38:04. | :38:16. | |
trained the horses are used to get to work at 5:30am, 6am. I got a | :38:17. | :38:28. | |
phone call from June. I couldn't really understand what she was so | :38:29. | :38:38. | |
upset about, screaming and shouting. At first I thought most probably one | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
of our animals had got killed. She said, come home immediately, come | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
home. I dropped everything and on my way home I tried to fathom at what | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
she tried to tell me, then I realised that she had mentioned | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
Reeva. She said, come home immediately, Reeva's name was there, | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
and that was when I started to panic. Driving home I realised more | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
and more, Reeva has been killed, it hit me then. It is like it happened | :39:08. | :39:18. | |
yesterday. That is how I first heard about it. When you got home? | :39:19. | :39:30. | |
Complete chaos. Thank God we had a friend of ours staying at the house. | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
If he wasn't there, a friend of mine, Dave Cox, he was trying to | :39:37. | :39:47. | |
comfort June. And when we were there, I can't go into the whole | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
thing and tell you exactly how we felt. And you wanted to see somebody | :39:53. | :40:03. | |
immediately, who? I phoned my brother immediately in Cape Town. I | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
said, Mike, get up here in immediately, this has happened. | :40:10. | :40:11. | |
Within a couple of hours he had got on a plane and he was there with me. | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
Why did you want to see your brother? I confide so much more in | :40:17. | :40:28. | |
my brother. I'm sure with Mr Pistorius and his brother, he would | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
confide, that is how I would confided my brother and he was the | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
first one I thought of. If you could put it into perspective, your | :40:36. | :40:43. | |
brother is the father of Kim? My brother is the father of Kim. When | :40:44. | :40:53. | |
you think back, during consultation you told me of what happened that | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
night in that house, what do you think, in the house of Mr Pistorius | :40:59. | :41:07. | |
were Reeva was murdered? I personally think that there was an | :41:08. | :41:19. | |
argument. I'm going to stop you, my lady, allow me to stop the witness. | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
Let's talk about what you think, in consultation you told me how you | :41:27. | :41:34. | |
think Reeva felt. What she must have gone through in those split-second | :41:35. | :41:44. | |
's. -- split-seconds. She must have been in so much fear and pain, that | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
is what I think Bob a time, I visualise that I can see it myself | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
-- that is what I think of all the time. It must have been absolutely | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
awful. You, because of that, also try to hurt yourself? Yes. Can you | :42:03. | :42:13. | |
tell the court about that? At times I thought the pain that Reeva went | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
through, I used to just... I don't know whether I was going mental or | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
whatever but are used to take my fist against the wall, my knuckles, | :42:24. | :42:32. | |
my injured from my diabetes, are used to shove it into my stomach to | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
see if I could feel the same type of pain. | :42:37. | :42:51. | |
Are you OK to continue? As far as your health is concerned, you said | :42:52. | :43:01. | |
you had strokes shortly after the incident ) raised -- had a stroke | :43:02. | :43:11. | |
shortly after the incident? You have also consulted doctors about your | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
heart? I went to the doctor, they did tests on me, just recently I had | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
tests. I have to go into hospital in August for my valves in my heart. | :43:24. | :43:35. | |
I have held back with everything now, I must go for a biopsy as well. | :43:36. | :43:47. | |
You indicated to me that Reeva's habit of phoning up her parents was | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
interesting, could you explain that to the court? It was virtually a | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
habit that Reeva would phone her mother on Saturdays, not talk to me, | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
but on the Sunday would phone me, her father, and talk to me about | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
different things that she would talk to June about, but that is how it | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
went most times it was the Saturday and the Sunday. So she would phone | :44:13. | :44:20. | |
you on the Sunday and only talk to you? And then talk to me. And that | :44:21. | :44:30. | |
happened every week? Virtually every week, it would be the odd weekend | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
that was missed but virtually every weekend, yes. You have also | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
indicated to me that, although every day is difficult, Christmases and | :44:41. | :44:49. | |
birthdays are more difficult, why? Well, Reeva is not there with us. | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
She is there with us in spirit, but, like at Christmas time, with the | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
family, we would sit down and one chair would be there for Reeva, and | :45:02. | :45:09. | |
that is how we... I say celebrated Christmas, that is how we had our | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
Christmas. Just give a bit more details, the last Christmas you went | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
down to Cape Town to your brother's? I went to my brother's. And you | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
indicated at the table there was a setting and a chair? A setting and a | :45:26. | :45:35. | |
chair therefore reefer, and on her birthdays the family would have a | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
celebration for her, not in our house, my family photographed with | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
her and her place there as well, yes. | :45:47. | :45:57. | |
The relationship between Reeva and the accused, did you know about | :45:58. | :46:06. | |
that? I did not, no. Did she never tell you? I don't think the time was | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
right for her to tell me, otherwise she would have told me. But I did | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
know that there was a relationship. Have you had contact with the | :46:16. | :46:23. | |
accused on this matter? No contact. But I believe that through the | :46:24. | :46:44. | |
lawyers there was something. But we declined getting together and having | :46:45. | :46:46. | |
a talk. We talked about the amount of money | :46:47. | :47:01. | |
you received every month after Reeva's death. Yes. | :47:02. | :47:11. | |
It was discussed between the defence lawyer and our lawyers. They | :47:12. | :47:26. | |
arranged that amongst themselves. He approached us and told us about it. | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
We did not like the idea, but we were in dire straits. I said, do | :47:32. | :47:39. | |
what you must do, and he said, don't worry, this will be private and | :47:40. | :47:48. | |
confidential, so I said, I it up to up to you to do what you must do for | :47:49. | :47:51. | |
us. Who requested it should be private and confidential? I heard it | :47:52. | :48:06. | |
was Barry, or his lawyer, that requested that it stays private and | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
confidential. Were you surprised when it was mentioned? I was | :48:11. | :48:19. | |
disgusted. I was disgusted when it came out. That something like that | :48:20. | :48:33. | |
could have been brought up. And when we were offered 360, 350,000 rand, | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
we declined it, our lawyer said, you must take the money, we said, we | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
don't want the money after what was brought up in court. I have learned | :48:44. | :48:51. | |
to live with that, it makes no difference, it is my daughter that | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
has gone, it is not the money or anything like that. | :48:56. | :49:04. | |
Have you seen any of the photographs of your daughter's --? The only | :49:05. | :49:14. | |
photo I have seen was the photograph that you produced here in court. | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
That is the only one I have seen. But I can imagine what it was like. | :49:21. | :49:30. | |
I want to ask the court now, a lot of people will disagree with me, and | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
think that I am callous or whatever it is, but what I would like the | :49:36. | :49:43. | |
world to see the wounds inflicted on to Reeva and the pain that she must | :49:44. | :49:51. | |
have gone through so that the world can see this and distract people who | :49:52. | :50:01. | |
are thinking of that type of deed to stop them in future. That is why I | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
ask if something like that could be shown to everybody. | :50:06. | :50:14. | |
It will help for the future, I don't know, that this is the way I feel. | :50:15. | :50:26. | |
Apart from that one photograph that was shown in court, you have not | :50:27. | :50:35. | |
seen any of the others? No. Your wife June, how is she doing? Through | :50:36. | :50:49. | |
the media and a lot of people, they have said she is the stonefaced | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
person, but I know that she greets like I do all the time. She is a bit | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
stronger, but she greets, I hear her at night, I hear her cry, I hear her | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
talking to Reeva. Thank you, I have nothing further. | :51:05. | :51:30. | |
Truly searing testimony from the father of Reeva Steenkamp, she was | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
murdered by Oscar Pistorius, he is back in court this week, waiting to | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
hear what his punishment will be for killing his girlfriend. We are | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
hearing his testimony for the first time, because he was not well enough | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
to attend the original trial of Oscar Pistorius. Very upsetting and | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
moving, incredibly poignant, especially towards the end, where he | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
was expressing his desire that images of his dead daughter should | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
be shown publicly to stop others killing other human beings, | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
effectively. He revealed in the last minute or so his wife June, Reeva's | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
mother, still talks to her daughter. We will continue to monitor the | :52:16. | :52:17. | |
testimony and bring you more later. Vigils have been held in Orlando | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
and around the world for the victims of Sunday's deadly gun attack | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
on a gay nightclub, which left 49 US authorities say gunman | :52:28. | :52:29. | |
Omar Mateen pledged allegiance to so-called Islamic State shortly | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
before the attack, though the FBI say there was no clear co-ordination | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
with them before the attack. It's also being reported that | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
Omar Mateen had previously visited the Pulse bar as a customer and used | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
gay dating apps. A Muslim cleric told those attending | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
the Orlando event that Muslims stood united with them against | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
"the ideology of hatred, We cannot believe that someone | :52:57. | :52:59. | |
who claims my peaceful faith has brought a massacre, | :53:00. | :53:11. | |
an atrocity to our city, We condemn this act of terrorism | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
and all the acts of terrorism that are done in the name of Islam, | :53:16. | :53:24. | |
or any faith, for that matter. We condemn in the | :53:25. | :53:31. | |
strongest terms... We condemn the ideology of hate | :53:32. | :53:32. | |
and death and destruction, and we call for all Muslim leaders | :53:33. | :53:43. | |
and communities across this nation and across the world to stand up | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
and to deal with this cancer Most Muslim reaction from around | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
the world has echoed those thoughts But what does Islam say | :53:56. | :54:02. | |
about homosexuality and does its stance make it harder for gay | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
muslims to accept themselves? We can talk now to Asif Quraishi, | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
a gay Muslim who is also And Ajmal Masroor, an imam | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
who abhors the weekend's events but says there will always be | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
a difference of opinion You identify as gay and Muslim, | :54:22. | :54:34. | |
clearly be too can live in harmony? Definitely. When I came out, the | :54:35. | :54:41. | |
first question was asked, how can you be gay and Muslim? I was taken | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
to my Imam. There were all sorts of things put on the table, around | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
celibacy or marriage, but I said, no, you can do both. I am in a | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
marriage to my partner, who is also a Muslim. I believe you can be both | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
and ultimately Allah will have the final say. What is your attitude to | :55:04. | :55:13. | |
him? We are sidestepping the issue, what happened in Orlando. The guy | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
who murdered, he himself was a closet Muslim, or a gay himself, | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
battling with his sexuality or something. We don't know yet, but it | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
is in question. Those say they have seen him in the club, found him | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
drunk, he had been thrown out because of his bad behaviour. He was | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
not a practising Muslim, his father and wife said, he regularly eat up | :55:44. | :55:46. | |
his wife. The discussion should not be about Islam and sexuality in this | :55:47. | :55:54. | |
incident. 49 lives have been lost. It has come from hatred, something | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
happened. Why does it happen? We need to be stronger against it. I | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
find it interesting that many Muslims fail to recognise two | :56:05. | :56:14. | |
fundamental concepts, justice. Your own love and self-interest should | :56:15. | :56:17. | |
not deter you from justice. What has happened now is injustice. In its | :56:18. | :56:23. | |
worst possible form, and we have to can -- condemned that. What is your | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
attitude to somebody who is gay and Muslim? It is between him and his | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
God. People have spoken to me about the same issue what should I do? I | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
say, it is your journey. You do not condemn all hate that person? Why | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
would I have to? I am giving you a rhetorical response. It is not my | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
job to condemn people. My job is to be available, to help people in | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
their spiritual journey, with their questions and dilemmas. You will | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
note this, this is a quote from the Koran, and as for the two of you men | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
who are guilty of lewdness, punish them both, and if they repent and | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
improve, let them be. How open to interpretation is that? There is an | :57:14. | :57:21. | |
issue. If I submit to God, if I accept God is my ultimate authority | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
for everything, and if the Koran is the source of my inspiration, I take | :57:26. | :57:33. | |
God's word entirely, that is made... I always accept what God says. I am | :57:34. | :57:39. | |
not selective. I know in Islam there are many things Islam clearly says | :57:40. | :57:46. | |
are not acceptable, one of them is sex outside marriage, homosexuality, | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
and so on. I accept them wholeheartedly, I do not question | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
God. I am asking how open to interpretation it is. You were | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
emphatic it is act of homosexuality, lewdness and what does that mean? It | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
is open to interpretation. It is not black-and-white. It is all down to | :58:08. | :58:15. | |
interpretation. What is happening in Orlando, it is a homophobic attack, | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
a terrorist attack. At the heart of it, if reports are to be believed | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
that he was battling with internalised homophobia, where has | :58:24. | :58:31. | |
that stemmed from? It has stemmed from his cultural and religious | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
background. This is the underlying theme. Yes, what has happened is a | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
total tragedy, I am not condoning what he has done, but what needs to | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
be looked at... You are condemning it but not condoning it? Yes, but | :58:46. | :58:52. | |
what needs to be looked at is if he was battling with internalised | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
homophobia, when I went to my mum, I was told to marry a woman, because | :58:59. | :59:06. | |
that was the solution. When you are a Muslim, a gay muscle, and the | :59:07. | :59:12. | |
think you are seeing is either, marry a woman, remain celibate or | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
commit suicide, because when you are seeing people being thrown off a | :59:17. | :59:22. | |
mountain, from where he is, maybe he felt the only way to purify himself | :59:23. | :59:30. | |
was... I wonder if there is a possibility of an evolution of that | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
quote from the Koran in the way we have seen Catholicism involve, if | :59:34. | :59:40. | |
that is the right word, the Pope say, if you are gay, who am I to | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
judge? The Church of England accepting gay people as long as they | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
don't engage in actual sex. Is there the possibility of Islam evolving? | :59:51. | :59:56. | |
The understanding has to be clear. The solution from his Imam was not | :59:57. | :00:02. | |
for him. None of them are a solution. This does not seem like | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
somebody who has actually helped him. I say simply, Islam has some | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
irreconcilable differences with the proposed way of life we have in this | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
country, or in the West at the moment. This is one of them, but we | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
can learn to manage and live civilly and coexist. Just because I | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
disagree, I don't have the right to judge you or to take your life or to | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
threaten you. I cannot does, Nate. These are Islamic intervals. Those | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
Muslims leaved to be Muslims, they also need to adhere to the Islamic | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
principles fully. I understand where you are coming from, can Islam | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
evolve? It has evolved throughout time, Muslims need a change. They | :00:47. | :00:53. | |
need to embrace the concept of justice, fairness and accepting | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
there is something called living with differences. Certain principles | :00:59. | :00:59. | |
of Islam will not change. Isn't it about time there was some | :01:00. | :01:09. | |
reform on homosexuality? You and I can demand that, that is the idea... | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
For British LGBT Muslims in the UK there is definite demand and a call | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
for acceptance and tolerance around this. Let's say we accept that, | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
accept and tolerate one another's differences, but with the Koran, the | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
Word of God, change? Note it, it would, because it came to Prophet | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
Muhammad as it was revealed. If it changes, it changes the fundamental | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
principles of Islam. But Muslims under no circumstances should be | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
intolerant or unfair, but the principles of Islam will remain the | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
same. I understand, thank you both for comment on the programme. | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
Let's get the weather with Carol Kirkwood. | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
We have got a lot of cloud, some bright spells, and we have also got | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
some thunderstorms around as well. If we start the forecast looking at | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
the broader picture, my charts are not working, there they are, we have | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
got rain coming across eastern Scotland, moving out of Northern | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
Ireland, and we have got a plethora of showers across England and Wales, | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
some of which will be slow-moving, heavy, and also thundery. | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
Temperatures up to about 19, it will feel quite Mcgee, if you are out and | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
about. The lion share of the sunshine will be across Orkney and | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
Shetland 's. As we had through the evening and overnight, some | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
persistent rain across northern Scotland, the air coming from a more | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
northerly direction which means it will turn that bit fresher but still | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
a lot of showers across England and some murky conditions from the North | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
Sea, low cloud here. It will not be a particularly cold night except in | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
the far north. As we head into tomorrow, persistent rain across | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
Scotland, some showers across Northern Ireland, more showers for | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
England and Wales, not all of us catching them, but potential for | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
them to be heavy and thundery, and dry, bright conditions in between, | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
some of us even seeing the sun and maximum temperatures tomorrow up to | :03:15. | :03:15. | |
20 Celsius. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
welcome to the programme Our top story: I don't wish this on | :03:21. | :03:33. | |
any human being, the father of the murdered South African model Reeva | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
Steenkamp is giving testimony in court for the first time since she | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
was shot dead by her boyfriend, the athlete Oscar Pistorius. He says he | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
wants the world to see the wounds that killed his daughter. A lot of | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
people will disagree with me and think that I am callous or whatever | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
it is, but what I would like the world to see are the wounds | :03:55. | :04:05. | |
inflicted on to Reeva and the pain she must have gone through, so that | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
the world can see this and most probably distract people who are | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
thinking of that type of deed to stop them in future, and this is why | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
I ask if something like that could be shown to everybody. | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
The head of the FA is worried about the security arrangements at head of | :04:28. | :04:40. | |
England's next game in Euro 2016. He has rejected the idea that fans | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
were partly to blame the trouble inside the stadium. | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
We will get reaction from England supporters before 11am. | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
And, exclusive access to a scheme in schools which helps children | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
who've been exposed to domestic violence at home. | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
If there is a child in a home and the night before there has been a | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
call to the police and there has been domestic abuse, I, as the | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
headteacher, will be told that have happened prior to 9am the next | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
school day. What it means is that we, their teachers, who spend large | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
part of time with them, we can do some support for them. | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
And, a mum in her 40s has 17 children taken into care. | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :05:25. | :05:34. | |
Reeva Steenkamp's father has given emotional | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
testimony at the sentencing of Oscar Pistorious, | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
The athlete is back in court in Pretoria this morning | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
for the second day of his sentencing hearing after he was found guilty | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
of murdering his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp last December. | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
Ms Steenkamp's father, Barry Steenkamp, told | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
of the toll his daughters death had on him, saying he is unable to "mix | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
with people" since his daughter's murder. | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
What she must have gone through in those split seconds, she must have | :06:09. | :06:17. | |
been in so much fear and pain. That is what I think of all the time will | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
stop I visualise that I can see it myself. It must have been absolutely | :06:24. | :06:33. | |
and utterly awful. Because of that, you also tried to hurt yourself? | :06:34. | :06:42. | |
Yes. At times... I thought the pain that Reeva went through, I used to, | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
I don't know whether I was going to mental or whatever, but are used to | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
take my fist and hit it up against the wall, my knuckles, might | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
injection from my diabetes, I used to take the needle and shove it into | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
my stomach and my arms to see if I could feel the same type of pain, | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
but no. We will speak to a spokesperson for | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
the family just before 10:30am, stay with us for that. | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
The chairman of the FA, Greg Dyke, has written to European | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
football's governing body, Uefa, to express 'serious | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
concern' about security arrangements in Lille, | :07:20. | :07:20. | |
where England and Russia fans will gather for this | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
Both sets of supporters clashed in Marseilles at the weekend. | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
The two teams have been warned they could be expelled | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
from the Euros if their fans are involved in more violence. | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
The FA chairman has rejected a suggestion that England supporters | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
were at fault for scenes inside the stadium | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
Let's go live to Sally Nugent in Paris. What is being done about | :07:37. | :07:48. | |
security? You mentioned the flash point, | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
Russia due to play in Lille on Wednesday, England and Wales playing | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
in Lens on Thursday, Greg Dyke in his letter this morning has said | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
clearly he would welcome an alcohol ban, particularly in Lille on | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
Wednesday when many English fans have been told to gather their ad of | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
Thursday's match against Wales in Lens. There were security worries | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
about English and Welsh bands being together in Lens in a smaller space | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
so the advice was to go to Lille and stay there but of course the Roger | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
Barnes will have just seen their side place of IKEA there so Greg | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
Dyke is appealing for an alcohol ban to be put on plays in Wednesday in | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
Lille. New figures show around one in six | :08:28. | :08:38. | |
children in England missed out on a place at their first choice | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
of secondary school this year. In total, 84.1% of 11-year-olds | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
were given a spot at their first preference, | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
compared with 84.2% in 2015. One in eight primary school children | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
didn't receive their That's a summary of | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
the latest BBC News. Yes, it is a relief to be talking | :08:52. | :09:06. | |
about sport instead of security problems in Paris over the last few | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
days, across the country, I should say. The Republic of Ireland were 20 | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
minutes away from victory at the Stade Francais against Sweden | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
yesterday. They scored a wonderful opener. Wes Hoolahan with a | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
wonderful half volley into the corner. Sweden did not have a single | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
shot on target but Ciaran Clarke headed into his own net. 1-41 the | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
Final Score, the Republic face Belgium next on Saturday. -- 1-41 | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
was the final school. Italy are in charge in Group E | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
after a 2-0 win over Belgium. This late goal from Southampton | :09:45. | :09:52. | |
striker Graziano Pelle Defending champions Spain | :09:53. | :09:52. | |
are up and running. Despite being totally dominant | :09:53. | :09:52. | |
against the Czech Republic, they could only muster | :09:53. | :09:53. | |
one goal in Toulouse, So, the home nations are next | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
in action on Thursday. England will play Wales | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
and Northern Ireland Michael O'Neill's side need a win | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
after their opening Our reporter Katie Gornall | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
is with the team at their training They need to lift themselves | :10:05. | :10:18. | |
somehow, don't they? They certainly do, training has just | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
started but before the players came onto the pitch they were brought | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
into a huddle with Michael O'Neill who spoke to them for several | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
minutes. They have got plenty to work on, there was a lot of | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
excitement ahead of their opening game, their first in 30 years, but | :10:31. | :10:40. | |
it did not go as planned, they only lost 1-0 but the gulf between the | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
sides was quite great and we had some words from Kyle Lafferty in the | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
aftermath of the game where he said the team failed to register a single | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
shot on target and it was not a Northern Ireland performance so they | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
will hope to put that right against Ukraine on Thursday, there is a | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
danger man there on the wing but they know that realistically they | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
need to get something out of that game if they are to avoid the | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
prospect of having to play world champions Germany and win in their | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
final match. We will hear more about that later when the players do their | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
press conference but I think also in that match we will see an emotional | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
tribute from supporters but Darren Rogers, the Northern Ireland fan who | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
sadly lost his life in an accident on Monday, something that has | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
resonated sadly with the fans and players here, and I think we will | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
hear from Jonny Evans and Michael McGovern, the goalkeeper, later with | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
more on that. Thanks very much. | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
Away from the US, Ronald Koeman has finally been confirmed as the new | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
Everton manager, replacing Roberto Martinez. He has signed a three-year | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
deal after Everton agreed to pay ?5 million to release him from | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
Southampton. Wales have lost 40 points to seven | :11:59. | :12:06. | |
to New Zealand's superbug beside the cheats in Hamilton. -- super rugby | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
side the Chiefs. One in five children are exposed | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
to domestic violence in homes, but in many instances the schools | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
are unaware that This programme has been given | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
exclusive access to one scheme It's called Operation Encompass | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
and aims to support children by ensuring police communicate | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
directly with schools to inform them that an incident of domestic abuse | :12:30. | :12:31. | |
has happened in a child's home. It was developed by a couple | :12:32. | :12:40. | |
who are a head teacher and a police officer, and wanted to come up | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
with a plan to stop schools being left in the dark | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
about the home life of pupils. That couple, David and Lis | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
Carney-Howarth, are here now. Also, Zoe Billingham, the lead of | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
child inspection with Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary, and also | :13:02. | :13:10. | |
a representative from a charity supporting women who have been | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
exposed to domestic abuse. You started to talk to your husband, | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
a police officer, about sorting this out, tell our viewers? I was angry | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
because I had a visit from an education welfare officer in the | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
October, she came to talk about attendance targets and at the end | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
she said, there was an incident, and detailed it to me, and it had | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
happened and -- it had happened in June, it was now October and the | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
child was not even in my school any longer. I could pinpoint the change | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
in that child's behaviour to when that domestic abuse incident | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
happened and I was furious because I knew that we have been given no | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
chance to support the child and his last few months with us and the | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
experiences he was now having in his next school may never have happened | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
if we had been given the chance to make a difference for that | :13:57. | :14:13. | |
little boy. Hence this simple but logical idea, and so effective that | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
how many children now do you think have been helped by the skin? | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
Thousands, literally thousands. It is hard to put a number on it | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
because there are 15 forces that have embraced this. I thought it was | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
12, has it gone up? Yes, it is hard to know exactly but we are in the | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
thousands. In the first few months in Plymouth there were 1000 | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
children, we held an event at Plymouth Argyle football ground | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
where we got 1000 children to come in and represented the victims that | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
we had supported. We saw in the film earlier, we had an example of a | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
little boy who turned up with his teddy bear which normally would have | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
been removed, but he was allowed to keep the teddy bear that day. Give | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
us another example of somebody you have helped to have been exposed to | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
domestic abuse who you were able to help because the police had informed | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
you? This is another example from Plymouth, a much older child, to | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
show the difference. There had been an incident of domestic abuse, she | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
was about to sit her exams that morning, so they met her and took | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
her to one side, told her they knew what had happened at home and they | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
said, have you had breakfast? Do you need to sit your exams somewhere | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
else or do you want to sit it with everyone else? They took the time to | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
talk to how to make sure she was calm and in an emotionally as good a | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
place as you could be with what had happened and was therefore able to | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
sit her exams. Another example of a child of a similar age, they spoke | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
to her about what was happening at home and she was fine, I don't need | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
to talk about it, it is fine. A few weeks later she went back to them, | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
because they knew what was happening in the home, and she said, I cannot | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
live there any longer, I need to move out but I want to move out | :16:00. | :16:10. | |
safely, said because of Operation Encompass she was able to move out | :16:11. | :16:12. | |
safely instead of possibly becoming a missing child who left home and | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
nobody knew where due was, anything like that, so she was able to do | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
that in a positive way, so it ranges from a teddy bear to helping a | :16:19. | :16:20. | |
16-year-old move out safely, that is what it can do. | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
Thank goodness not only has somebody realise the impact of domestic abuse | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
on children, which is extremely severe and long-lasting, but is | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
doing something about it which is really practical. What has to be in | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
place is support for the victim as well, because domestic abuse | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
absolutely eat away at the very heart of a woman's ability to parent | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
her children. It is important, this is happening at a time and we are | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
seeing support services for women scaled back, and we need to make | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
sure that the support is there is a follow up. It is fantastic, I know a | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
boy who was not going to school, because he was too scared to leave | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
his mother. Truancy, the effect on her of that, her legal | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
responsibilities in relation to his truancy, all of that could have been | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
avoided with this scheme. You have inspected forces, how do you rate | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
Operation Encompass? We think it is fantastic, what is there not to | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
like? It is so common sense. There is often a tendency to | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
overcomplicate, here is a simple way that children can be looked at and | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
looked after at school, just a passing a simple piece of | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
information overnight to the school. There are only 15 forces in the | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
country doing this that we are aware of. For those that are doing it, | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
please carry on, for those that are not, we are coming back to inspect | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
forces to see how well they are providing a service to victims. We | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
will look to see whether or not those remaining forces of the 43 | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
going to introduce this scheme. Why wouldn't you? You raise one | :18:10. | :18:19. | |
question, might it stop some women potentially reporting domestic abuse | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
to the police, because they know the school might be involved? We need to | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
make sure this does not happen. As more and more forces role in this | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
out, they need to keep track of women coming forward to make sure | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
that that is not negatively impacted, occurs we don't want to | :18:38. | :18:45. | |
create a fear that women won't tell the police because they know the | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
information will be passed on. I hope that won't happen. On the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
contrary, what a victim should feel is if this scheme is in place, it | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
means the police are treating domestic abuse in a victim centred | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
and compassionate way. It should be a good sign, but I hope it does not | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
deter women from reporting. Really appreciate it. If you want to watch | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
our full film, you can find it on our programme page on your website. | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
"I don't wish this on any human being." | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
The father of the murdered South African model Reeva Steenkamp | :19:25. | :19:26. | |
is giving testimony in court for the first time since | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
she was shot dead by the athlete Oscar Pistorius. | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
He says he wants the world to see the wounds that killed his daughter. | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
Barry Steenkamp says he would stick needles in his arms and stomach | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
to see if he could feel the pain Reeva had felt and that | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
Oscar Pistiorus must pay for his crime. | :19:50. | :19:58. | |
The house to pay for what he did. He has to pay for it. | :19:59. | :20:08. | |
That is all I can say. How should he pay for it? That is up to the court. | :20:09. | :20:20. | |
And we will go by the decision the court hands down to Oscar. He has to | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
pay for his crime. Utterly distressing testimony from | :20:26. | :20:40. | |
her father this morning, tell us more. It was a sad, emotional | :20:41. | :20:48. | |
moment, completely heart-wrenching evidence that her father gave inside | :20:49. | :20:57. | |
the courtroom. He recounted the day Reeva was killed, he said he was at | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
work, he got a distressed phone call from his wife June and rushed home. | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
As he got there, he realised that his daughter had been murdered. He | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
also told the court he feels that he wants the world to see the wounds | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
that killed Reeva Steenkamp, and he also says Oscar Pistorius should pay | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
for the crime, but at the same time we heard before his evidence from a | :21:23. | :21:31. | |
woman, a famous chef from Ireland, she said she feels that Oscar | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
Pistorius has already been punished enough, he is a model citizen, and | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
he should contribute to South African society. In terms of the | :21:42. | :21:50. | |
hearing this week, from eyeing our audience why Oscar Pistorius is back | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
in court. This is the recent and think. In December he lost the | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
appeal to still stick with the culpable homicide conviction. After | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
he was sentenced to five years for manslaughter, the equivalent of | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
culpable homicide, the state went and approached the Supreme Court of | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
Appeal, wanting the conviction to be turned to that of murder. The state | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
one that appeal. Oscar Pistorius was convicted for murder. That is why he | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
has been resentenced. According to the criminal procedures act of South | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
Africa, a minimum sentence for murder is 15 years. | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
America has been mourning its dead after the mass murder in the gay | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
Mourning its dead and asking questions about the nation's | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
Vigils have been held around the United States | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
and in this country, from Glasgow to Manchester, | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
In Soho, the heart of London's gay nightlife, thousands of people | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
packed into Old Compton Street, itself the victim of a homophobic | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
terror attack in 1999, for a two-minute silence. | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
Our reporter James Longman went to join them. | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
A moment for London to remember Orlando's dead. | :23:10. | :23:18. | |
So, silence ending with a spontaneous round of applause, | :23:19. | :23:27. | |
as multicoloured balloons rise into the air over London. | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
Similar vigils were marked all over the world, but here, | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
Orlando's victims were honoured in a place hatred has struck before. | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
Three people died in a homophobic nail-bomb attack in 1999 | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
A fitting place to think of those killed at the weekend. | :23:44. | :23:53. | |
I don't think people who are not gay, lesbian, bisexual | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
or transgender realise the mental gymnastics that | :23:56. | :23:57. | |
What's going to happen if I hold this guy's hand, or kiss this guy? | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
Can you maybe explain a little bit about why gay venues, | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
LGBT venues are important for people to be able to go to historically? | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
Well, I think they are a safe space, and I think it's really sad | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
that we can't actually go to these places and not feel safe, and that's | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
And will you all be going to Pride this year? | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
This again is making it more obvious, more clear that, yeah, | :24:26. | :24:35. | |
we've won a lot of the battles in the UK and Europe, | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
Going into a queer space, a gay club, yes, it's | :24:40. | :24:54. | |
about having a good time and being with your friends, | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
but it's also about a safe space, a place of sanctuary. | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
I've been going to gay clubs for 18 years or more, and probably | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
And I went there for fun and debauchery. | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
But I found my community and my friends and a place where I'm | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
not worried to go to the toilets on my own because nobody | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
So we're are mourning the loss of the people that we love, | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
whether we knew them or not, but I think we are also mourning | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
I woman from Newcastle has had 17 different children taken into care. | :25:22. | :25:44. | |
One woman has given birth 17 times and all children have been taken | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
into care. That is right. We put in a Freedom of Information request to | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
Newcastle City Council when we found out they had approached a charity | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
and asked for help. That is when we got the figure of 17. This is a | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
repeat removal, researchers say this happens either immediately after | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
birth or very shortly after birth. For these women, life has always | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
been difficult, 50% have been in care themselves, even more have been | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
in domestically violent relationships, and many have had | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
drug and alcohol problems. That is why their children have been | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
removed. You believe that this is the highest amount of children taken | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
from one mother in the whole of England? We do. We approached | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
researchers at Lancaster University with the figure of 17. We said, have | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
you heard of a figure as high as that? They said, no, that was the | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
highest they had heard. They'd use reliable data sets that they have | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
got from family courts. They are the leading UK authority on repeat | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
removal is. In terms of Newcastle, do they say, this is a particular | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
problem in our area? They have identified it as a problem, but it | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
is a nationwide problem. The charity they work with has worked with seven | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
local authorities, Newcastle will be the eighth, they have worked with | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
people in London, Doncaster and Hull. Newcastle has the attention | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
grabbing figure, but it is a nationwide issue. What do they say | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
in their statement? They have not been able to put anybody up for | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
interview, but I have some of the statement. It would not be | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
appropriate to comment on a specific case. As for care for mothers, it | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
will be dependent on the needs of each mother, who made themselves be | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
vulnerable. In Newcastle we have taken a robust approach to gathering | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
and analysing data and using this information innovatively to improve | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
outcomes for children we have studied the practice from other | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
parts of the country, where there have been success in identifying and | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
addressing the issue of mothers who repeatedly have their children | :28:02. | :28:02. | |
taking into care. On this programme recently | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
we spoke to Annie - She had several children taken | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
into care and fought to regain When you put your children into | :28:13. | :28:23. | |
care, there is always the thought you can do some work, try and write | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
the prongs that have meant they have had to go into care. When the child | :28:27. | :28:36. | |
is taken, the story has already started to be written, and if the | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
child is a baby, you know the child may never come back to you, it may | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
be adopted. You do not know what the future holds for your family. When | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
you have been reunited with some of your children after they have been | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
taken into care, what is that like? It is lovely, wonderful, great, that | :28:55. | :29:03. | |
it is also very scary, because your children have lost trust in you, | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
because you have put them in a house with strangers through no fault of | :29:07. | :29:12. | |
their own. They have not done anything to warrant being there. | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
They have to build up their trust in you again. You also have to | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
demonstrate that the reason they went into care will not happen again | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
to the local authority. Let's talk to Sophie Humphreys - | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
she runs Pause, a project working with women who have experienced | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
what are called repeat removals. Andy Elvin is a social worker | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
who has carried out several He now runs a charity for fostering | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
and adopting children. Your response to the fact that one | :29:41. | :29:52. | |
woman has given birth to 17 children and they all have been removed? This | :29:53. | :30:00. | |
is a national issue. 17 is the more extreme end, but we are working in | :30:01. | :30:07. | |
seven local areas currently, we are about to start a Newcastle, and we | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
are looking at working with women who have an average of four children | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
removed, often you will see ten, 11, 12. How do you react to this? It is | :30:17. | :30:25. | |
at the extreme end, but I have been involved in cases where we have | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
removed three or four children. In the early 2000 is, we were crying | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
out for a service like Pause, because you know you will be back | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
with the same other in months, you get to the end of one set of | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
proceedings, the mother was already pregnant, and nothing had changed. | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
The social workers are there for the child, so once the child is removed, | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
there is not a service for the parent. It is vital we work with | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
these women, because they will be back in. Not only is it bad for | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
children, it costs a fortune. Tell our audience about the lives of | :31:03. | :31:04. | |
these women who get pregnant continually. The reason that Pause | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
came about was because of that experience of removing children from | :31:12. | :31:12. | |
the same women. When you look at their lives, they | :31:13. | :31:24. | |
are very vulnerable. They have very comp like slides. The majority of | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
them have had extremely poor childhood experiences, they will | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
have been sexually abused, they may have been sexually exploited, often | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
missed education during that time, they have also, 50% of them, been in | :31:39. | :31:46. | |
care themselves, so we are looking at a transgenerational issue. What | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
we are about is trying to break that cycle. | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
To break that cycle, did the women on the programme have to be on | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
contraception? Absolutely, it is a voluntary programme but for them to | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
have the balls, and to have what we have named it for, to create space | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
for those women to focus on other aspects of their lives, if it is | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
caught up with the risk of getting pregnant and all the things that | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
kick into play once a woman is pregnant, it will sap the tide -- | :32:19. | :32:25. | |
sabotage the chance of them making a change and tackling those | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
destructive issues and behaviours they have been called into because | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
of not having had the opportunity to focus on themselves before. Andy, | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
you said as a social worker you were involved in a number of repeat | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
removal cases. It is worth emphasising it is not a social | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
worker who make the decision to remove a child? Absolutely not. You | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
said your interest is the child but a judge makes the decision. What | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
were they things as a social worker that you have to consider? You | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
considered the best interests of the child and whether they are likely to | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
suffer significant harm, and if the mother has not received services to | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
move on from the issues that have led to children being removed, the | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
legal threshold will be met and the judge will allow you to remove the | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
child. In social work we are good at supporting children but sometimes | :33:10. | :33:10. | |
not supporting parents have lost their children and | :33:11. | :33:26. | |
we don't sufficiently support payments when the children are | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
returned to them. When a child goes into foster care there is a lot of | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
support but when they returned to both parents there is little support | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
and it is a hidden area in social work and we have to get better at | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
both. Let me bring in Karen Broadhurst from Lancaster University | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
has researched the issue. Welcome to the programme. Thank you. We started | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
looking at a family court records in 2014 and what we were able to do | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
with those records was establish the size of the problem, so as Sophie | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
and Andy are talking about practitioners on the front line were | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
meeting those cases in their day-to-day work but we were able to | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
quantify the size of the problem nationally and to identify that | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
returning to court is far from unusual. Using probabilities, one in | :34:02. | :34:08. | |
three very young women and one in four older women will return to | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
court, so this is something the Family Court are dealing with | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
typically on a day-to-day basis. In terms of numbers, what are we | :34:18. | :34:28. | |
looking at? During the 2007-2000 14, 7000 women, a sizeable population, | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
all individual women, not duplicate -- 2007 to 2014. We have to take | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
into account they are coming back on multiple occasions, twice, three | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
times, more than four times. Thank you, we are going to leave it there | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
but we appreciate your time very much. | :34:49. | :35:06. | |
With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom. | :35:07. | :35:08. | |
Reeva Steenkamp's father has given emotional | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
testimony at the sentencing of Oscar Pistorious, | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
describing his grief over his daughter's death. | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
Pistorious is back in court in Pretoria this morning | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
for the second day of his sentencing hearing after he was found guilty | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
of murdering his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp last December. | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
Ms Steenkamp's father Barry Steenkamp told | :35:22. | :35:22. | |
of the toll his daughter's death had on him, saying he is unable to "mix | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
What she must have gone through in those split seconds... She must have | :35:27. | :35:40. | |
been in so much fear and pain. That is what I think all the time, I | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
visualise that I can see it myself. It must have been absolutely and | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
utterly awful. The chairman of the FA, Greg Dyke, | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
has written to European football's governing body Uefa to express | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
"serious concern" about security arrangements in Lille, | :35:59. | :36:00. | |
where England and Russia fans will gather for this | :36:01. | :36:02. | |
week's Euro 2016 matches. Both sets of supporters clashed | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
in Marseilles at the weekend. The two teams have been warned | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
they could be expelled from the Euros if their fans | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
are involved in more violence. Vigils and memorial services have | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
been held in Orlando, across the UK and around the world | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
for the victims of Sunday's Authorities are still | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
trying to understand the motives of Omar Mateen, | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
and whether he was inspired purely by so-called Islamic State, | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
with new reports suggesting the gunman visited | :36:27. | :36:28. | |
the club several times. The French President Francois | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
Hollande has described the killing of a senior police officer | :36:34. | :36:35. | |
and his partner near Paris The officer, who wasn't in uniform, | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
was stabbed outside his home by a man who then barricaded | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
himself into the house. A police raid found the bodies | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
of a woman and that of the attacker. It's reported that the attacker | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
claimed allegiance to so-called That's a summary of the latest | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
news, join me for BBC Thank you, Victoria, | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
here are today's sport headlines, starting here in Paris, | :36:59. | :37:08. | |
where Ireland started their Euro 2016 campaign | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
with a draw against Sweden. A Wes Hoolahan goal had seen | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
Martin O'Neill's side into the lead, before an own goal meant | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
it finished 1-1. Italy are in charge in Group E | :37:20. | :37:21. | |
after a 2-0 win over Belgium. This late goal from Southampton | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
striker Graziano Pelle Defending champions Spain | :37:27. | :37:28. | |
are up and running. Despite being totally dominant | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
against the Czech Republic they could only muster | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
one goal in Toulouse. Away from the Euros, | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
Ronald Koeman has finally been confirmed as the new Everton | :37:41. | :37:47. | |
manager, replacing Roberto Martinez. Koeman has signed a three-year deal | :37:48. | :37:49. | |
after Everton agreed to pay ?5 million to release | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
him from Southampton. Finally, Wales have lost 40-7 | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
to New Zealand Super Rugby side Wales captain Luke Charteris says | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
they let themselves down. That is all the sports News from | :38:01. | :38:16. | |
here in Paris, back to you. Is there panic in the Labour Party | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
over the possibility of Britain voting to leave the European Union? | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
Let's speak to our political Guru Norman Smith. | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
Is there? There is a certain gallows humour in the Remain camp. I am at | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
the TUC headquarters where Mr Corbyn will be arriving with his Shadow | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
Cabinet shortly for a lovey-dovey photo to underline how they are all | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
together, campaigning to keep Britain in the EU. But what do you | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
do if you are a Labour Leader and you think Labour supporters are just | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
not listening to you? There are two things, you could go and cry in the | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
corner or you can press the NHS buttons. That is pretty much what | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will do today, he will hammer it with an almighty great | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
mallet in the hope that saying the NHS is at risk if we vote to leave | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
will get Labour people to back Remain because there is growing | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
concern that a large swathe of them, primarily because of immigration, | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
will vote for Brexit, so today Mr Corbyn will say, be careful because | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
Boris Johnson and the leaders of the Brexit campaigns are not big on the | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
NHS, they have spoken about privatising it, talking about social | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
insurance schemes for the NHS, and he will warn that if we pull out the | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
economy will take a huge hit which will mean less cash for the NHS. | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
Against that, he has run up against them of his own MPs who are | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
campaigning for Brexit, people like Labour's Bradfield, who have written | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
a joint letter to the Sun newspaper, about a dozen of them, saying, there | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
is nothing disloyal about voting for Brexit -- Labour's Frank Field. | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
Don't be bad as a Labour person if you vote Brexit, and you sense there | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
is tension now in the Labour camp with all sides trying to appeal to | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
Labour voters -- don't feel bad. In terms of the pledge from the | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
Leave side to organisations, academics, universities, various | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
institutions, that they will continue to receive that European | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
funding in the event of a vote to leave, how can they make that | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
promise? It is a very good question. What | :40:29. | :40:36. | |
they say is that the money we give to Europe and Europe gets back to us | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
in terms of cash through the Common Agricultural Policy or cash for | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
universities, all cash for deprived areas of Britain, they will make | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
good the money, they say, they will not just have it cut up with a | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
resounding thud, and they said they will make the sums add up because, | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
they say, we will no longer be paying, they say, ?350 million a | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
week to the EU, and we know that they do has been challenged and the | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
Institute for Fiscal Studies and others will be gunning through the | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
latest numbers, but you get the sense they want to reassure people | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
it will not all be massive change and their lives will not be thrown | :41:15. | :41:24. | |
up in the air and people will be destitute if we leave the EU. In | :41:25. | :41:26. | |
other words, trying to reassure voters that if we take this huge | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
step it will be all right on the night. | :41:30. | :41:31. | |
I wonder if there are some around Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
Labour Party, wondering if they have left it a bit late to reassure their | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
own supporters that they should be voting to remain? | :41:40. | :41:46. | |
Sorry, I'm afraid I missed that, you broke up a bit. | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
I was saying I wonder if Jeremy Corbyn and those around him at the | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
top of Labour are wondering whether they left it a bit late to convince | :41:53. | :42:00. | |
their supporters to vote to remain? It is a fraught moment for the | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
Labour Party, let's be honest, because there are some who fear that | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
something much more profound is going on with Labour here, it is not | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
just about immigration, it is a much longer term issue and in a way it is | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
like what happened in Scotland, with many traditional Labour voters, | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
predominantly in northern old manufacturing seeds feel the party | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
does not represent them, it is too middle-class, to metropolitan, and | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
that is precisely the sort of voter that people like Frank Field are | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
trying to appeal to, and when I spoke to him this morning he said Mr | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
Corbyn should not think you can simply tell Labour voters what to do | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
when they will follow him. This has been wonderful, this | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
globalisation moves throughout the world, for the rich, but if you are | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
at the bottom of the pile you have paid the price, and we are seeing it | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
in America, we are seeing it in France, Germany, Austria, and we are | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
seeing it here, people saying, it is enough, I am fed up, and we don't | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
have to take it. That is partly what this boat is about, to say, we have | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
borne this price of your open markets with our wages being pushed | :43:06. | :43:25. | |
down, our children not being able to get houses, not being able to get | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
into the schools that we would like to get them into, of lengthening | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
queues in the NHS, and the referendum day will be a day when | :43:31. | :43:32. | |
they say, enough is enough. Here is a funny thing, a lot of the | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
Labour folk gathering here take the view that we in the media are partly | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
to blame for what is happening to the Labour vote because they say we | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
are not reporting what Labour is doing and therefore it is impossible | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
for Team Corbyn and others to get the message across. My understanding | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
is today Mr Corbyn won't be taking any questions from the media and you | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
are left scratching your head and thinking, if you want us to report | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
what you are doing, surely you at least have to | :43:55. | :44:08. | |
allow us to ask you some questions? Maybe that will change but at the | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
moment it seems there will not be any cue an day with people like me. | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
There is no law requiring politicians to take questions from | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
people like yourself, Norman, as you know! Thank you for them moment. | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
If you've got any questions on the EU referendum, let us know. | :44:21. | :44:22. | |
The Conservative MP and former Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox, | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
who supports Britain leaving the EU, will be answering your questions | :44:26. | :44:27. | |
at 11:30am tomorrow morning here on the BBC News Channel. | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis, | :44:31. | :44:32. | |
It is an alarming statistic, one in five children exposed to domestic | :44:33. | :44:43. | |
abuse in their own home but many schools are unaware anything is | :44:44. | :44:44. | |
going on. This programme has been given | :44:45. | :44:55. | |
exclusive access to one scheme It's called Operation Encompass | :44:56. | :44:57. | |
and aims to support children by ensuring police communicate | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
directly with schools to inform them that an incident of domestic abuse | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
has happened in a child's home. It was developed by a couple | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
who are a head teacher and a police officer, and wanted to come up | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
with a plan to stop schools being left in the dark | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
about the home life of pupils. We bought you Rebecca Wilcox's full | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
report earlier in the programme. He would push me, shove me, | :45:16. | :45:18. | |
there's been occasions In England and Wales, | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
around a quarter of women experience Jane, which isn't her real name, | :45:22. | :45:24. | |
is one of them, and, like many of those victims, | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
she has kids. Locking me out of my house | :45:29. | :45:30. | |
with my children, I couldn't go back to the house to go and get my stuff | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
because he said he will kill me. Jane's kids make up just three | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
of the estimated million children in the UK who've been | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
affected by domestic abuse. Lis Carney-Howarth is | :45:42. | :45:50. | |
the headteacher of an infant She was frustrated by the lack | :45:51. | :45:52. | |
of help given to kids She and her husband David, | :45:53. | :45:59. | |
who was then a policeman, came up with a plan to help kids | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
who have witnessed domestic abuse. Operation Encompass | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
is an incredibly simple idea. What it means is that | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
if there is a child in a home and the night before there has been | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
a call to the police and there's been domestic abuse, | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
I, as the headteacher, will be told that has happened prior | :46:20. | :46:21. | |
to 9am the next school day. And what it means is that we, | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
their teachers, we can actually do That is where Jane and her | :46:27. | :46:29. | |
son come in. We're calling him Alex, | :46:30. | :46:37. | |
and he was just five years old when the scheme was introduced | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
at Lis' school. This is the first time the mother | :46:41. | :46:42. | |
of a child who has been on this We wanted to speak to Alex as well, | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
but understandably Jane worried it So she told me how much | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
support they had got It helped him and it | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
helped me to stay strong, because I knew that I wasn't just | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
sending my little boy to school to be worrying | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
about what has gone on at home, feeling frightened but having no-one | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
to talk to, because the headteacher and his teachers were made aware | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
of this, so they really nursed him and gave him | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
all the attention that he needed, He came out of school that day much | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
brighter than when he went in. It was the first Operation Encompass | :47:20. | :47:30. | |
call she had ever received. When he arrived at school, | :47:31. | :47:37. | |
Alex brought with him a teddy bear. Normally when a child brings a teddy | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
bear to school we would say, "Is Mummy taking the teddy bear home | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
with her, or shall we put the teddy bear somewhere safe | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
in the classroom?" But because we knew what had | :47:49. | :47:51. | |
happened, his class teacher didn't do that, and she let him just | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
bring his teddy bear into school. For us, that was absolutely | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
nothing, but to that little From these small beginnings, | :48:00. | :48:01. | |
Operation Encompass has been rolled out across at least 12 other police | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
forces including Merseyside, Cheshire and Cleveland, | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
but Elisabeth and David want more. It should be in every force | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
for every school for every It is happening slowly, | :48:16. | :48:17. | |
but we want more momentum, we want somebody to take control, | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
maybe from Government. Even though Jane has moved on, | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
she is still grateful for the ongoing support | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
that her youngest received As soon as he became part | :48:28. | :48:29. | |
of Operation Encompass, the bad behaviour stopped, | :48:30. | :48:37. | |
he stopped the spitting, He was getting back to that lovely | :48:38. | :48:39. | |
little boy, and if he wouldn't have had that help when he was five, | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
it makes me feel sick to the stomach So many comments, this is Kate, I | :48:45. | :49:08. | |
have been through 17 years of domestic file and is, I have two | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
children, I cried when I watched your report, I thought it was | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
fantastic. Might child still has panic attacks, she has not been to | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
school for three years. This scheme would have helped both my children. | :49:21. | :49:27. | |
Joy says, I survived domestic abuse as a child. Mostly when I went to | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
school I was in deep shock or traumatised and I could not take in | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
what the teacher was saying. They thought I had learning difficulties. | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
Nobody helped, especially not our school, so I am relieved somebody is | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
now deciding to help, and Liz is thoughtful and caring to stop this. | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
Denise says, thank you to Lis and her husband Tom at this is hugely | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
positive, I remember abuse happening, and my son has | :49:58. | :50:00. | |
psychological effect which have broken my heart. Bring this into the | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
open. Sarah says, I wanted to say how wonderful Operation Encompass | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
sounds, I watched my mother and sisters be beaten when I was a | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
child. Michael says, it is a shame nothing like this was available some | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
time ago, my mother was a victim of domestic abuse, something which | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
filtered to my brother and me. We removed to foster carers and build | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
our lives, but we are both affected and events that happened those years | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
ago. Help is hard to come by. It is good for kids now that there is | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
something in help -- in place, but for children who suffered years ago, | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
we continue to suffer. Thank you for those. | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
FA chairman Greg Dyke says he's very concerned about the levels of French | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
security and the safety of England fans ahead of the team's | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
English and Russian supporters, who clashed violently | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
at the weekend in Marseille, are expected to gather | :50:56. | :50:58. | |
Uefa is investigating after Russia supporters went | :50:59. | :51:06. | |
for England fans in the stadium after their draw on Saturday. | :51:07. | :51:17. | |
Some Russian supporters are moving out of their area towards the | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
England fans of. The trouble began in the stadium | :51:21. | :51:21. | |
after flares were let off by Russian Some then climbed across pretty | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
flimsy barriers designed A number of Russia supporters kicked | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
and punched fleeing England fans, who were forced to clamber over | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
fencing to escape. Uefa has threatened to ban both | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
teams if there is further violence. We can speak to Dr Joel Rookwood, | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
an expert in football hooliganism And in Compiegne in France | :51:43. | :51:45. | |
is Mark Knapper and Tony Robinson, Tell us if you are worried. We would | :51:46. | :52:07. | |
not want it to be repeated. Marseille was very hairy. Lots of | :52:08. | :52:14. | |
people attacked, and not just in the ground, but outside. That is very | :52:15. | :52:20. | |
worrying. There is no apparent police presence. I could not see one | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
policeman in the ground, but when you came outside there were | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
minibuses of police. Both of my kids were attacked, they are in their | :52:31. | :52:40. | |
20s. The police came up and just discharged tear gas at everybody. | :52:41. | :52:47. | |
Their response to any problem is so limited, and there is no | :52:48. | :52:56. | |
differentiation between it. They will have seen the people attacking | :52:57. | :52:59. | |
outside the ground with attackers -- balaclavas on. It is more likely | :53:00. | :53:06. | |
they are doing the attacking. It has been scary. | :53:07. | :53:13. | |
In terms of Thursday's game, you are near Lens, where will you be between | :53:14. | :53:23. | |
now and then, because you want to avoid Russian supporters, who are | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
playing tomorrow night? We have made a decision that on Thursday we will | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
drive straight to the game, Park at the ground and then we will drive | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
straight out afterwards. Ideally, we would like to mingle with the | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
supporters, like we did in South Africa and other tournaments, but we | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
are not able to do it, it is too volatile. We are stopping about 40, | :53:48. | :53:58. | |
50 kilometres south of Lens, we are out of the way a bit at the moment. | :53:59. | :54:06. | |
What has to change in terms of the safety of fans before Russia's game | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
on Wednesday and England against Wales on Thursday? There has to be | :54:12. | :54:18. | |
acknowledgement it is a significant problem. I don't think the | :54:19. | :54:20. | |
authorities have clamped down on this effectively, they have not | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
understood the scale of the problem. They have not responded effectively | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
to the violence we have seen. If we don't see a change in police tactics | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
in terms of how they treat fans and segregate them, we will see further | :54:38. | :54:42. | |
problems in the north of France. Let's hope that does not happen. We | :54:43. | :54:48. | |
wish you all the best, take care. It has been reported that the man | :54:49. | :55:02. | |
who shot down 49 people in the gay nightclub in Orlando had been there | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
regularly. Clubbers said they had seen him their drinking heavily and | :55:07. | :55:08. | |
they said he used gay dating apps. We can talk now to Stephen McKinney, | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
who knew one of the victims of the Orlando shooting, | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
Louie Vielma. I wonder if you could tell us about | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
your friend. Wonderful, 22, he worked at capital | :55:23. | :55:44. | |
letter universal, Orlando. He was in my youth group as a youth leader, he | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
started at the inception with Michelle Murphy as one of the youth | :55:49. | :55:58. | |
team. Upon graduation, he became one of the youth leaders with my wife | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
and myself. I cannot hear you. I wonder if we | :56:04. | :56:18. | |
can persist, though. He knew one of the victims of the Orlando shooting. | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
Try a game, keep talking and we will see if we can hear you. | :56:24. | :56:34. | |
OK. I am really sorry, that is our fault, the line is not good enough. | :56:35. | :56:52. | |
It is a shame, because we want to hear about him. I could tell you a | :56:53. | :57:00. | |
bit about him, one of the victims of the shooting on Saturday night. He | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
worked on the Harry Potter ride at universal Judeo 's. He is 22, he was | :57:05. | :57:15. | |
a ride attendant. Only 22, goodness. One of the 49 killed at the | :57:16. | :57:18. | |
nightclub when the gunmen opened fire inside. You might know that JK | :57:19. | :57:26. | |
Rowling has tweeted about him, he worked on the Harry Potter ride, he | :57:27. | :57:36. | |
was 22, I cannot stop crying. Let's return to the main story, the | :57:37. | :57:39. | |
sentencing of Oscar Pistorius, he was found guilty of murdering his | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
girlfriend and her father has been giving moving and emotional | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
testimony this morning. Oscar has to pay for what he did. He | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
has to pay for it. How should he pay for it? That is up | :57:55. | :58:13. | |
to the court. It is up to the court, and we will go by the decision the | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
court hands down. But he has to pay for his crime. | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
We will keep you up-to-date with that live from South Africa across | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
the day on BBC News. Have a good day, back tomorrow at 9am. | :58:30. | :58:34. |