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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

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Our top story today: The head of the English Football Association

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is seriously worried about the safety of England

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fans ahead of their next game in Euro 2016.

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Yes, Greg Dyke has said stewarding arrangements inside the stadium in

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Marseille on Saturday were unacceptable, and has rejected the

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notion that England fans were partly to blame for the trouble.

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Also on the programme: Vigils have been held in Orlando

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and across the world to remember the victims of America's deadliest

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We condemn the ideology of hate and death and destruction, and we call

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for all Muslim leaders and communities across this nation and

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across the world to stand up and to deal with this cancer and remove it

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once and for all. But what does Islam say

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about homosexuality, and does its stance make it harder for gay

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Muslims to accept themselves? A gay Muslim and an imam

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will give us their views. If there was a child in the home and

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the night before there has been called the police and there has been

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domestic abuse, I, as a teacher, will be told that have happened

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prior to 9am the next day, and what it means is that we, their teachers,

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who spend large parts of their time with us, we can do something to

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support them. And more exclusive access

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to a scheme in schools which helps children who've been exposed

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to domestic violence at home. Hello, welcome to the programme -

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we're live until 11am. Throughout the programme we'll bring

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you the latest breaking news and developing stories,

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including a story about a mum in Newcastle who's had

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17 children removed We'll discuss repeat

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removals before 11am. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about - If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Our top story today: The chairman

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of the FA, Greg Dyke, has written to Uefa to say he has

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serious concerns about security England fans will gather in the city

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ahead of Thursday's match against Wales in the nearby small

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town of Lens. Russia play in Lille

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the night before. Uefa has warned both teams

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they could be expelled from the Euros if there's further

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violence by their fans. The issue is that Lens and Lille are

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pretty close together so Russian supporters will be mixing with

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English supporters? Yes, it is a potential flash point

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because the Russia game, as you said, is on the Wednesday night but

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Lille, lots of accommodation, all the bars will be open, compared with

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Lens, which is a smaller town where the bars are likely to be closed, so

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lots of England and Wales fans are expected to stay in Lille on

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Wednesday night. When we looked at accommodation for Lens for Thursday

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morning we could not get any because it is booked up, so Lille is

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potentially the scene where supporters from all four teams

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playing on Wednesday and Thursday will be, and you have to look at the

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station as potentially an area where there might be a problem. An advance

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team has gone ahead and made the journey from Lille to Lens and have

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reported back and said the situation is tricky because they will check

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all to get manually going onto the trains, trains from Lille to Lens

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are incredibly small so the supporters will be

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packed in close proximity for a decent length of journey before

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getting to the stadium, and potentially they will have been

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drinking in the bars of Lille that day already. One advantage is that

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the England game on Thursday is the early kick-off which potentially

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cuts down the number of drinking hours, and there is also the

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possibility that alcohol may be banned completely. But I think the

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authorities are looking closely at Wednesday in Lille and Thursday in

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Lens as potentially a problem. What is Greg Dyke thing into Uefa

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about this? Greg Dyke's T Uefa was interesting.

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He condemned the violence in the old port in Marseille, he said he didn't

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approve of the England fans who were part of that. He made no bones about

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that, frankly, but he went on to say, almost standing up for the

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England supporters who were in the stadium, making the distinction

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between what happened in the old port and what happened in the

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stadium. He said the segregation inside the stadium on Saturday was

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inadequate, the stewarding was not appropriate, and we have heard from

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Mark Robinson this morning, the BBC pundit, who was there, who said Uefa

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can manage Champions League and big European games by segregating the

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fans well. You might lose some seats but it has to happen, keeping the

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fans apart, making one set of fans leave the stadium while another is

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kept inside the stadium for 20 minutes after take-off. He makes the

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valid point, why are they not looking at doing that here? I think

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Greg Dyke's intervention at this point is an marker because he has to

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acknowledge a problem with the fans but also says that the security

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arrangement for the fans and the teams are not quite as good as the

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FA would like it to be. Sadly, for the moment, thank you.

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Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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Vigils and memorials have been held in Orlando,

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across the UK and around the world for the victims of Sunday's

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There are reports that the gunman visited the club several times,

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and authorities are still trying to understand his motives,

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and whether he was inspired purely by so-called Islamic State.

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President Obama will travel to Orlando on Thursday

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to meet the families and friends of those who died.

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This is a show of unity and strength, defiance

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in the face of terror and hate, as the community comes together

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There was support too from around the world.

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Thousands took to the streets of London in solidarity,

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as stories spread from those who survived.

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You hear what sounds like fireworks and balloons popping and you assume

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it is part of the show. And then you hear people start screaming. The

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sound doesn't stop. More details have emerged

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about the man at the centre 29-year-old Omar Mateen,

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a US citizen of Afghan descent. He called to declare allegiance

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to the so-called Islamic State, The FBI said there is no clear

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evidence he was directed They believe he may have been

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radicalised within the US, What he did was totally,

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totally wrong. Even though he's my son,

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I have to admit this I mean, it is terrorising the whole

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people, and I don't forgive him. The brutality of one man

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is difficult for many to comprehend. But age, sexuality, race,

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or religion, it does A message of hope, after one

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of the darkest days And we can speak to Laura

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live now from Orlando. As we were seeing there, a community

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coming together and president Obama is going to visit as well?

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Yes, we are expecting President Obama here on Thursday. A statement

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from the White House, we are not sure what the visit will entail but

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we understand it is expected he will speak with victims' families, the

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police and FBI to get an update on the operation here. We have been

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getting reports in the last few hours that the gunman, Omar Mateen,

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had visited the Pulse nightclub on previous occasions. These reports

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come from local newspapers who said they spoke to regulars at the club

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who recognised him. We don't know why he visited the club, was he

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scouting out a potential target or was he there for other reasons? We

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have had no comment so far from Orlando police or the FBI on this.

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We know the FBI is investigating whether or not he was scouting out

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other targets here in Orlando, including Disney World, but as you

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saw from the pictures, thousands of people gathered here in the last few

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hours, and just as dusk fell per bel told 49 times, one for each of the

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lives lost -- the Bell tolled. The French President,

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Francois Hollande, has described the killing of a senior police

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officer and his partner near Paris, The officer, who wasn't in uniform,

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was stabbed outside his home by a man who then barricaded himself

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into the house. A police raid found the bodies

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of a woman and that of the attacker. It's reported that the attacker

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claimed allegiance to With just over a week to go

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until the EU referendum, the Vote Leave campaign says it

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will maintain funding to universities, regions

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and organisations that currently receive money from

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the European Union The leading Conservative

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campaigners Boris Johnson and Michael Gove say the same money

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will still be found. The Remain side says the claims

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are "fantasy economics". Oscar Pistorius is back

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in court in Pretoria this morning for the second day

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of his sentencing hearing. The athlete was found guilty

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of murdering his girlfriend Yesterday a psychologist

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for the defence said Pistorius was a "broken man" suffering

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from "major depression", and was not The trial starts today

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of Led Zeppelin founders Robert Plant and Jimmy Page

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in a copyright row over The band's been accused of lifting

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the song's famous opening from an instrumental called Taurus

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by the American band Spirit, who they appeared alongside

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at their first concert back in 1968. I think the band actually was called

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Torres and the song was called Spirit, but there we go.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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Back to Sally in Paris for the sports headlines.

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It is a relief to talk about sport and not potential flash points here.

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Here in Paris yesterday Ireland against Sweden

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And it was an own goal that cost Martin O'Neill's side the win.

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Sweden didn't have a single shot on target.

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The atmosphere in Paris must have been just what the tournament

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And the Republic of Ireland's performance got the seal of approval

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The way the Irish set about Sweden was impressive.

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The only thing missing from the first half, a goal.

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High tempo from Martin O'Neill's side created plenty of high drama.

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Jeff Hendrick could, but only with the crossbar.

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The luck of the Swedish finally ran out in the second half.

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Great work from Everton's Seamus Coleman.

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He picked up Wes Hoolahan of Norwich, no stopping this one.

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Ireland had kept Sweden's star man quiet for most of the match,

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but it was Zlatan Ibrahimovic's cross which turned

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The unfortunate Irishman Sweden had to thank next was Ciaran Clark.

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His manager naturally had mixed feelings about the 1-1 draw.

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Massive disappointment we didn't take three points.

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Eventually things like that become costly.

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They will need to be terrific again against Belgium

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Italy are in charge in Group E after a 2-0 win over Belgium.

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This late goal from Southampton striker Graziano Pelle

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Defending champions Spain are up and running.

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Despite being totally dominant against the Czech Republic

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they could only muster one goal in Touluse.

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One other line of football news and Chinese businessman Dr Tony Xia

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has completed his ?76 million takeover of Championship

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England's cricketers were frustrated by the weather as rain forced a draw

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After a delayed start, they managed only one of the ten

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wickets they needed for a win before the heavens opened again.

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Rain also put paid to some tennis yesterday but Heather Watson made

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the second round of the Birmingham open. And these are the scenes at

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Queens. Andy Murray faces Nicolas Mahut later.

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Now how about this for a practice partner?

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Andy Murray warmed up for Queens with a knockabout

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And his dad David has praised him as a role model.

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When you look at role models, you want them to be passionate about

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their sport, passionate about what they do. Play hard all the time, and

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Andy is one of those players. It is great for any junket to have great

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role models in sport and Andy is definitely one of those for many

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kids around the world. You have set the bar high, he has practised with

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Andy Murray so you have two up your game, David! I was going to play

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with him tomorrow morning but I don't I will now!

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I'm sure he will be ready good at tennis just like everything else!

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Back to you, Victoria. What happens to children who are

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exposed to domestic abuse at home? It's thought that as many as one

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in five children are affected by it and in many instances they go

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to school the next day This programme has been given

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exclusive access to one scheme The plan is based on a simple idea,

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that if the police are called to a domestic violence incident

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and there's a child there, the officers will tell that child's

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school by 9am the next day. The school can then offer

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them specific help. It's called Operation Encompass,

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and it's now being run in schools with the help of 12

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police forces in the UK. Our reporter Rebecca Wilcox has been

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to find out more. I just heard rustling, I turned

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around and I got severely beaten up. I don't remember

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anything for three days. I had lumps on the back of my head

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like I have never felt or seen, blood in my hair,

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on my ear, it was awful. Out of all the punches and bruising

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and the mental torture to me, that is the worst part,

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children seeing was really hard, hard for a parent and,

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more importantly, hard He would push me, shove me,

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there have been occasions In England and Wales a quarter

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of a million women experience Jane, not her real name,

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is one of them, and, like many Locking me out of my

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house with my children. I could not go back to the house

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to get my stuff, because he Her kids make up just three

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of the estimated million children in the UK who have been

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affected by domestic abuse. Lis Carney-Howarth is

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the headteacher of an infant She was frustrated by the lack

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of help given to kids She turned to her husband David,

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he was then a police sergeant who regularly

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answered domestic-violence I came home from work one

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day absolutely furious, because in school I'd

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had a meeting with my educational-welfare officer,

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and she told me about a case of domestic abuse that had happened

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to one of my children five weeks five months earlier,

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and I could pinpoint It had changed from being

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a perfectly happy little boy in school to being a child who came

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in not wanting to leave the classroom, go to assembly,

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hiding under tables, running out I came home and David

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was in our sitting room and I suspect I was angry with him

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and said to him that this was so ridiculous,

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because the police have been called If I had been told,

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I might have been able You off-load, and she said,

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"This has happened in school today, I thought, I know that

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information is there, but it is not something

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I have had to think about, I thought, it is a simple

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thing to do, to say, They spent all of their spare time

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when not tending to their picks trying to find a way to help kids

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who have witnessed Eventually they came up

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with a new initiative called Operation Encompass,

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and they pushed to get it set up in a handful of schools in Plymouth

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and the surrounding area. If there is a child in a home

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and the night before there has been a call to the police and there has

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been domestic abuse, I will be told that has happened

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prior to 9am the next school day. It means that the teachers,

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who will spend a large part of time with them,

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can support them. We can have school uniform ready,

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so they don't feel different, if they have not had breakfast,

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we can make sure they have some. We can sit down with them and say

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that we know something happened last night, and if they want

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to talk to us, they can. Because we know this is a home

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where there is domestic abuse, we would always have special

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attention on those children. That is where Jane

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and her son come in. We're calling him Alex,

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he was just five when the scheme This is the first time the mother

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of a child who has been on the scheme has

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spoken to the media. We wanted to speak to him as well,

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but understandably Jane was worried So she told me what

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they had been through. He had seen me getting my hair

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pulled, to the point where We went out for a while,

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and as we came back he locked all of the doors and we could not

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get back into the house. There was shouting and screaming,

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lots of shouting and screaming. Lis remembers it well,

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it was the first call she received. I got the call to say there had been

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an incident the night before, I spoke to his reception class

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teacher and fed her for it. When he arrived at school,

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Alex brought with him a teddy bear. Normally, when a child brings one

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in, we would say, "Is Mummy taking the teddy bear home or shall we put

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it somewhere safe in the classroom?" Because we knew what had happened,

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his class teacher did not do that, and she let him bring

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it into school. All we did was not ask

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that the teddy bear go home and not For us, that was nothing,

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but to that little boy That really helped him and it

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helped me to stay strong, because I knew I was not just

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sending my boy to school to be worrying about what is going

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on at home, feeling frightened, having nobody to talk to,

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because the headteacher and his They really nursed him and gave him

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all of the attention he needed, He came out of school that day much

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brighter than when he went in, and it makes my hair

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stand up, it really does. I did not want to send my baby

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to school that day. That was a lot of weight

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taken off my shoulders. So I could concentrate on trying

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to clear up the mess and then think about my next move to get away

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from this situation. Jane thought things were getting

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better, but worse was yet to come. It was about 11:30pm,

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maybe 12am by the time you have done the cleaning,

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I have to look to doors, and when I got to the second

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door, I heard rustling. I turned around, I got

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severely beaten up. I don't remember

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anything for three days. My lips were cut, all over my head,

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lumps on the back of my head that I have never felt or seem,

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I could not brush my hair, I felt like my hand was there,

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there was blood in my head, I thought I would never get out

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of this, I thought, this is it, But there is light at

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the end of the tunnel. Alex is in a lovely village

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school now, he loves it. There is light at the end

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of the tunnel. From these small beginnings,

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Operation Encompass has been rolled out in at least 12 other police

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forces, including Merseyside, Everybody thinks it is

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already being done. Unless you are in the police

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or education, everybody else automatically shims this

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information is already shared. Now, what we are trying to do

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is make sure that every police force Lots of them are doing this already,

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but lots is not enough. It should be in every force,

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every school, every child. We want more momentum,

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somebody to take control, maybe from Government, and say,

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as a stand-alone project, Even though Jane has moved on,

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she is still grateful for the support her youngest

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received from Operation Encompass. Before the school got involved,

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she told me Alex had started That is so out of character,

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he has always been I could see it with my own eyes,

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him changing, with what was going I thought it was

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going to damage him. As soon as he became part

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of the Operation Encompass, the bad behaviour stopped,

:25:25.:25:26.

he stopped spitting and swearing. He was getting back

:25:27.:25:32.

to the lovely little boy. I was very lucky to have Lis

:25:33.:25:34.

and be part of the school, and Alex could be loved and nurtured

:25:35.:25:38.

and helped in every If he would not have had that help

:25:39.:25:43.

when he was five, it makes me feel sick to the stomach to think

:25:44.:25:50.

what he might be like now. Let's hear from the Police and Crime

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Commissioner from Northumbria, one of the areas where the scheme is

:26:15.:26:15.

run. Why did you want this? It seems like

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an obvious idea. 80% of families with children, the children are

:26:26.:26:29.

either there in the room or witnessing it from their bedroom

:26:30.:26:34.

with this domestic abuse happens. Lots of children are affected. They

:26:35.:26:38.

go to school, perhaps they do not have uniform or have had breakfast,

:26:39.:26:45.

they must be in danger of being told off, but they need support. Why

:26:46.:26:49.

don't the police pass on the information to a key adult so that

:26:50.:26:53.

extra care can be given to the child to try to normalise it? The child is

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likely to be badly affected by what has happened, anxiety, scared,

:27:02.:27:04.

traumatised, and that will impede their learning. The school needs to

:27:05.:27:09.

normalise it, agreed the child, take more care of them, so they don't

:27:10.:27:15.

lose out. How is it working? There are a number of local authorities.

:27:16.:27:21.

We started it in one of the six, it took a long time, because it is new.

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And schools are quite fragmented, academies, free schools and so on.

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We had to go to each school, it took a year. But it went down so well,

:27:32.:27:37.

including a really good Ofsted of children services in Gateshead that

:27:38.:27:43.

said, though it has not yet been evaluated, it is really promising.

:27:44.:27:48.

What happened then was some of the Gateshead teachers helped us move it

:27:49.:27:52.

into the other local authorities. It is now in five out of the six, with

:27:53.:27:58.

the sixth to come. How many children have been helped in your area? In

:27:59.:28:03.

the first year in Gateshead, 1500 children were helped. The likelihood

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is it is a big thing. Similar stories to those that Rebecca was

:28:11.:28:16.

bringing us on the film, children who might turn up with their teddy

:28:17.:28:20.

bear because it is comfortable? Yes, one boy came with a doll of some

:28:21.:28:25.

kind, normally that would not be allowed, just because the police had

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told the school he was allowed to keep it, it was a comfort to him.

:28:30.:28:34.

Teachers would say it is just a smile and a greeting when the child

:28:35.:28:37.

comes through, it makes them realise their whole world has not just been

:28:38.:28:41.

fractured and ruined, there is something stable. Peter is

:28:42.:28:48.

interested, he says, it sounds like a logical idea, I wonder if it has

:28:49.:28:51.

occurred to teachers that telling the child they know could be

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devastating to the child. I am not sure the teachers would go that far,

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do they? I don't think so. You need to ask a teacher about that, but my

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guess is they give a bit of extra help and support. Depends how the

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child reacts, I would guess. Is there any reason why it could not be

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rolled out across all of England and Wales? It should be. My suggestion

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to the great folk in your film who organised it, we have got an

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association of Police and Crime Commissioners, they could come to

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that, I could sponsor them to do that, they could talk to all 40

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commissioners, described how straightforward and obvious it is,

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and I would be very surprised if they did not all take it on. It is

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just a relatively new idea that folk have not realised is there and does

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unmitigated good. And if you want to watch -

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or share - that full film you can find it

:29:54.:29:57.

on our programme page, Unconfirmed reports that the man

:29:58.:30:09.

responsible for killing 49 gay people in that nightclub in Orlando

:30:10.:30:14.

had previously visited the club as a customer. And used gay dating apps.

:30:15.:30:20.

We will look at what Muslims say about homosexuality and whether it

:30:21.:30:30.

makes it harder for gamers limbs to accept themselves.

:30:31.:30:34.

And a mum in her 40s has 17 children taken into care.

:30:35.:30:39.

The. With before 11am. -- duffle story.

:30:40.:30:48.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:30:49.:30:59.

The Chairman of the FA, Greg Dyke, has written to European

:31:00.:31:03.

football's governing body, Uefa, to express 'serious

:31:04.:31:05.

concern' about security arrangements in Lille,

:31:06.:31:06.

where England and Russia fans will gather for this

:31:07.:31:09.

Both sets of supporters clashed in Marseilles at the weekend.

:31:10.:31:12.

Both teams have been warned they could be expelled

:31:13.:31:14.

from the Euros if their supporters are involved in more violence.

:31:15.:31:17.

The FA chairman has rejected a suggestion that England fans

:31:18.:31:19.

were at fault for scenes inside the stadium

:31:20.:31:21.

Oscar Pistorius is back in court in Pretoria this

:31:22.:31:24.

morning for the second day of his sentencing hearing.

:31:25.:31:26.

The athlete was found guilty of murdering his girlfriend

:31:27.:31:29.

Yesterday a psychologist for the defence said Pistorius

:31:30.:31:35.

was a "broken man" suffering from "major depression", and was not

:31:36.:31:37.

Reeva Steenkamp father is currently giving evidence and we can hear some

:31:38.:31:46.

of it. It is very difficult to explain when

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you talk about the incident, are you talking about what happened that

:31:58.:32:07.

day? Yes. I don't wish that on any human being. Finding out what

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happened, it devastated us. So many things since then have happened, we

:32:26.:32:34.

have gone to doctors and surgeons which I still have to go to pour my

:32:35.:32:43.

heart, and everything like that. I just don't wish that on anybody in

:32:44.:32:52.

this whole world. Let us put the family into perspective. You have a

:32:53.:32:57.

son from a previous marriage? I have a son from a previous garage, Adam,

:32:58.:33:04.

he is in England. How old is he? He has just turned 40 years old. June

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has a daughter from a previous marriage, Simone. How old is she?

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Simone is 50. Do you mind if I ask your age? I'm 73 years old. Kim gave

:33:20.:33:33.

evidence and she indicated that you lived in Cape Town and then moved?

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That is correct, I think the year 1991. In Port Elizabeth, was Reeva

:33:42.:33:57.

there as a minor child? She was the only minor child that lived there

:33:58.:34:03.

with us. We will view the day of the incident in more detail, but you

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explained to me one of the consequences of what happened is

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that your landlord took certain steps? Yes. We were, at that time,

:34:16.:34:33.

in financial difficulty, and with Reeva's passing the landlady had

:34:34.:34:45.

found out that I was virtually bankrupt, and within two weeks after

:34:46.:34:55.

Reeva's death, she gave us notice on the house. We had never been behind

:34:56.:34:59.

in anything but she gave us notice because of what she read in the

:35:00.:35:02.

newspapers. We could have stayed on but we decided it was so distasteful

:35:03.:35:10.

of her to do something like that that we decided to reallocate

:35:11.:35:22.

immediately. Mr Steenkamp, Kim also gave evidence that Reeva indicated

:35:23.:35:31.

that she one day wanted to look after you, do you know that? Yes, I

:35:32.:35:44.

do know about that. Reeva left me to come up to Johannesburg thinking

:35:45.:35:49.

that things would move faster here for her, Port Elizabeth commie sorry

:35:50.:35:56.

Port Elizabeth and is, it is a little bit further behind as far as

:35:57.:36:01.

things like modelling are concerned, so she decided to come here, go

:36:02.:36:05.

through the whole cycle of her modelling career, and there

:36:06.:36:11.

afterwards to go back into law and one day open up her own thing, and

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she had always said when that time comes that she would look after June

:36:21.:36:28.

and myself. Were you proud of her having completed her studies? Very

:36:29.:36:36.

proud of Reeva, yes. She got bursaries and distinctions, and she

:36:37.:36:49.

also helped herself by going through varsity, we had taken out certain

:36:50.:36:53.

insurers is and that for her to go through varsity and of course, yes,

:36:54.:36:58.

we were completely and utterly proud of her, yes. As far as looking after

:36:59.:37:07.

you is concerned, you have indicated that, at that time, financially you

:37:08.:37:11.

were in a difficult time but something interesting happened on

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the 13th? Yes, just before the 13th, Reeva phoned home mum and said, I'm

:37:20.:37:32.

on Tropic, you must watch. June said, our TV is not working so we

:37:33.:37:37.

will have to do something about it. She said, don't worry, I will pay

:37:38.:37:41.

for that for you straightaway but just make sure that you watch the

:37:42.:37:53.

episode of Tropica. So she paid for your television on the 13th of

:37:54.:38:00.

February? That's right. Then... Unfortunately I have to take you

:38:01.:38:03.

back to the day of the murder. Where were you? I was at work. When I

:38:04.:38:16.

trained the horses are used to get to work at 5:30am, 6am. I got a

:38:17.:38:28.

phone call from June. I couldn't really understand what she was so

:38:29.:38:38.

upset about, screaming and shouting. At first I thought most probably one

:38:39.:38:42.

of our animals had got killed. She said, come home immediately, come

:38:43.:38:48.

home. I dropped everything and on my way home I tried to fathom at what

:38:49.:38:53.

she tried to tell me, then I realised that she had mentioned

:38:54.:38:59.

Reeva. She said, come home immediately, Reeva's name was there,

:39:00.:39:03.

and that was when I started to panic. Driving home I realised more

:39:04.:39:07.

and more, Reeva has been killed, it hit me then. It is like it happened

:39:08.:39:18.

yesterday. That is how I first heard about it. When you got home?

:39:19.:39:30.

Complete chaos. Thank God we had a friend of ours staying at the house.

:39:31.:39:36.

If he wasn't there, a friend of mine, Dave Cox, he was trying to

:39:37.:39:47.

comfort June. And when we were there, I can't go into the whole

:39:48.:39:52.

thing and tell you exactly how we felt. And you wanted to see somebody

:39:53.:40:03.

immediately, who? I phoned my brother immediately in Cape Town. I

:40:04.:40:09.

said, Mike, get up here in immediately, this has happened.

:40:10.:40:11.

Within a couple of hours he had got on a plane and he was there with me.

:40:12.:40:16.

Why did you want to see your brother? I confide so much more in

:40:17.:40:28.

my brother. I'm sure with Mr Pistorius and his brother, he would

:40:29.:40:31.

confide, that is how I would confided my brother and he was the

:40:32.:40:35.

first one I thought of. If you could put it into perspective, your

:40:36.:40:43.

brother is the father of Kim? My brother is the father of Kim. When

:40:44.:40:53.

you think back, during consultation you told me of what happened that

:40:54.:40:58.

night in that house, what do you think, in the house of Mr Pistorius

:40:59.:41:07.

were Reeva was murdered? I personally think that there was an

:41:08.:41:19.

argument. I'm going to stop you, my lady, allow me to stop the witness.

:41:20.:41:26.

Let's talk about what you think, in consultation you told me how you

:41:27.:41:34.

think Reeva felt. What she must have gone through in those split-second

:41:35.:41:44.

's. -- split-seconds. She must have been in so much fear and pain, that

:41:45.:41:49.

is what I think Bob a time, I visualise that I can see it myself

:41:50.:41:55.

-- that is what I think of all the time. It must have been absolutely

:41:56.:42:02.

awful. You, because of that, also try to hurt yourself? Yes. Can you

:42:03.:42:13.

tell the court about that? At times I thought the pain that Reeva went

:42:14.:42:18.

through, I used to just... I don't know whether I was going mental or

:42:19.:42:23.

whatever but are used to take my fist against the wall, my knuckles,

:42:24.:42:32.

my injured from my diabetes, are used to shove it into my stomach to

:42:33.:42:36.

see if I could feel the same type of pain.

:42:37.:42:51.

Are you OK to continue? As far as your health is concerned, you said

:42:52.:43:01.

you had strokes shortly after the incident ) raised -- had a stroke

:43:02.:43:11.

shortly after the incident? You have also consulted doctors about your

:43:12.:43:15.

heart? I went to the doctor, they did tests on me, just recently I had

:43:16.:43:23.

tests. I have to go into hospital in August for my valves in my heart.

:43:24.:43:35.

I have held back with everything now, I must go for a biopsy as well.

:43:36.:43:47.

You indicated to me that Reeva's habit of phoning up her parents was

:43:48.:43:51.

interesting, could you explain that to the court? It was virtually a

:43:52.:43:55.

habit that Reeva would phone her mother on Saturdays, not talk to me,

:43:56.:44:02.

but on the Sunday would phone me, her father, and talk to me about

:44:03.:44:06.

different things that she would talk to June about, but that is how it

:44:07.:44:12.

went most times it was the Saturday and the Sunday. So she would phone

:44:13.:44:20.

you on the Sunday and only talk to you? And then talk to me. And that

:44:21.:44:30.

happened every week? Virtually every week, it would be the odd weekend

:44:31.:44:33.

that was missed but virtually every weekend, yes. You have also

:44:34.:44:40.

indicated to me that, although every day is difficult, Christmases and

:44:41.:44:49.

birthdays are more difficult, why? Well, Reeva is not there with us.

:44:50.:44:55.

She is there with us in spirit, but, like at Christmas time, with the

:44:56.:45:01.

family, we would sit down and one chair would be there for Reeva, and

:45:02.:45:09.

that is how we... I say celebrated Christmas, that is how we had our

:45:10.:45:15.

Christmas. Just give a bit more details, the last Christmas you went

:45:16.:45:19.

down to Cape Town to your brother's? I went to my brother's. And you

:45:20.:45:25.

indicated at the table there was a setting and a chair? A setting and a

:45:26.:45:35.

chair therefore reefer, and on her birthdays the family would have a

:45:36.:45:41.

celebration for her, not in our house, my family photographed with

:45:42.:45:46.

her and her place there as well, yes.

:45:47.:45:57.

The relationship between Reeva and the accused, did you know about

:45:58.:46:06.

that? I did not, no. Did she never tell you? I don't think the time was

:46:07.:46:12.

right for her to tell me, otherwise she would have told me. But I did

:46:13.:46:15.

know that there was a relationship. Have you had contact with the

:46:16.:46:23.

accused on this matter? No contact. But I believe that through the

:46:24.:46:44.

lawyers there was something. But we declined getting together and having

:46:45.:46:46.

a talk. We talked about the amount of money

:46:47.:47:01.

you received every month after Reeva's death. Yes.

:47:02.:47:11.

It was discussed between the defence lawyer and our lawyers. They

:47:12.:47:26.

arranged that amongst themselves. He approached us and told us about it.

:47:27.:47:31.

We did not like the idea, but we were in dire straits. I said, do

:47:32.:47:39.

what you must do, and he said, don't worry, this will be private and

:47:40.:47:48.

confidential, so I said, I it up to up to you to do what you must do for

:47:49.:47:51.

us. Who requested it should be private and confidential? I heard it

:47:52.:48:06.

was Barry, or his lawyer, that requested that it stays private and

:48:07.:48:10.

confidential. Were you surprised when it was mentioned? I was

:48:11.:48:19.

disgusted. I was disgusted when it came out. That something like that

:48:20.:48:33.

could have been brought up. And when we were offered 360, 350,000 rand,

:48:34.:48:38.

we declined it, our lawyer said, you must take the money, we said, we

:48:39.:48:43.

don't want the money after what was brought up in court. I have learned

:48:44.:48:51.

to live with that, it makes no difference, it is my daughter that

:48:52.:48:55.

has gone, it is not the money or anything like that.

:48:56.:49:04.

Have you seen any of the photographs of your daughter's --? The only

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photo I have seen was the photograph that you produced here in court.

:49:15.:49:20.

That is the only one I have seen. But I can imagine what it was like.

:49:21.:49:30.

I want to ask the court now, a lot of people will disagree with me, and

:49:31.:49:35.

think that I am callous or whatever it is, but what I would like the

:49:36.:49:43.

world to see the wounds inflicted on to Reeva and the pain that she must

:49:44.:49:51.

have gone through so that the world can see this and distract people who

:49:52.:50:01.

are thinking of that type of deed to stop them in future. That is why I

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ask if something like that could be shown to everybody.

:50:06.:50:14.

It will help for the future, I don't know, that this is the way I feel.

:50:15.:50:26.

Apart from that one photograph that was shown in court, you have not

:50:27.:50:35.

seen any of the others? No. Your wife June, how is she doing? Through

:50:36.:50:49.

the media and a lot of people, they have said she is the stonefaced

:50:50.:50:53.

person, but I know that she greets like I do all the time. She is a bit

:50:54.:50:59.

stronger, but she greets, I hear her at night, I hear her cry, I hear her

:51:00.:51:04.

talking to Reeva. Thank you, I have nothing further.

:51:05.:51:30.

Truly searing testimony from the father of Reeva Steenkamp, she was

:51:31.:51:36.

murdered by Oscar Pistorius, he is back in court this week, waiting to

:51:37.:51:40.

hear what his punishment will be for killing his girlfriend. We are

:51:41.:51:46.

hearing his testimony for the first time, because he was not well enough

:51:47.:51:49.

to attend the original trial of Oscar Pistorius. Very upsetting and

:51:50.:51:55.

moving, incredibly poignant, especially towards the end, where he

:51:56.:51:59.

was expressing his desire that images of his dead daughter should

:52:00.:52:03.

be shown publicly to stop others killing other human beings,

:52:04.:52:08.

effectively. He revealed in the last minute or so his wife June, Reeva's

:52:09.:52:15.

mother, still talks to her daughter. We will continue to monitor the

:52:16.:52:17.

testimony and bring you more later. Vigils have been held in Orlando

:52:18.:52:21.

and around the world for the victims of Sunday's deadly gun attack

:52:22.:52:27.

on a gay nightclub, which left 49 US authorities say gunman

:52:28.:52:29.

Omar Mateen pledged allegiance to so-called Islamic State shortly

:52:30.:52:34.

before the attack, though the FBI say there was no clear co-ordination

:52:35.:52:38.

with them before the attack. It's also being reported that

:52:39.:52:43.

Omar Mateen had previously visited the Pulse bar as a customer and used

:52:44.:52:46.

gay dating apps. A Muslim cleric told those attending

:52:47.:52:52.

the Orlando event that Muslims stood united with them against

:52:53.:52:56.

"the ideology of hatred, We cannot believe that someone

:52:57.:52:59.

who claims my peaceful faith has brought a massacre,

:53:00.:53:11.

an atrocity to our city, We condemn this act of terrorism

:53:12.:53:15.

and all the acts of terrorism that are done in the name of Islam,

:53:16.:53:24.

or any faith, for that matter. We condemn in the

:53:25.:53:31.

strongest terms... We condemn the ideology of hate

:53:32.:53:32.

and death and destruction, and we call for all Muslim leaders

:53:33.:53:43.

and communities across this nation and across the world to stand up

:53:44.:53:50.

and to deal with this cancer Most Muslim reaction from around

:53:51.:53:55.

the world has echoed those thoughts But what does Islam say

:53:56.:54:02.

about homosexuality and does its stance make it harder for gay

:54:03.:54:07.

muslims to accept themselves? We can talk now to Asif Quraishi,

:54:08.:54:12.

a gay Muslim who is also And Ajmal Masroor, an imam

:54:13.:54:15.

who abhors the weekend's events but says there will always be

:54:16.:54:21.

a difference of opinion You identify as gay and Muslim,

:54:22.:54:34.

clearly be too can live in harmony? Definitely. When I came out, the

:54:35.:54:41.

first question was asked, how can you be gay and Muslim? I was taken

:54:42.:54:47.

to my Imam. There were all sorts of things put on the table, around

:54:48.:54:52.

celibacy or marriage, but I said, no, you can do both. I am in a

:54:53.:54:56.

marriage to my partner, who is also a Muslim. I believe you can be both

:54:57.:55:03.

and ultimately Allah will have the final say. What is your attitude to

:55:04.:55:13.

him? We are sidestepping the issue, what happened in Orlando. The guy

:55:14.:55:19.

who murdered, he himself was a closet Muslim, or a gay himself,

:55:20.:55:24.

battling with his sexuality or something. We don't know yet, but it

:55:25.:55:31.

is in question. Those say they have seen him in the club, found him

:55:32.:55:36.

drunk, he had been thrown out because of his bad behaviour. He was

:55:37.:55:43.

not a practising Muslim, his father and wife said, he regularly eat up

:55:44.:55:46.

his wife. The discussion should not be about Islam and sexuality in this

:55:47.:55:54.

incident. 49 lives have been lost. It has come from hatred, something

:55:55.:55:59.

happened. Why does it happen? We need to be stronger against it. I

:56:00.:56:04.

find it interesting that many Muslims fail to recognise two

:56:05.:56:14.

fundamental concepts, justice. Your own love and self-interest should

:56:15.:56:17.

not deter you from justice. What has happened now is injustice. In its

:56:18.:56:23.

worst possible form, and we have to can -- condemned that. What is your

:56:24.:56:29.

attitude to somebody who is gay and Muslim? It is between him and his

:56:30.:56:35.

God. People have spoken to me about the same issue what should I do? I

:56:36.:56:41.

say, it is your journey. You do not condemn all hate that person? Why

:56:42.:56:47.

would I have to? I am giving you a rhetorical response. It is not my

:56:48.:56:52.

job to condemn people. My job is to be available, to help people in

:56:53.:56:56.

their spiritual journey, with their questions and dilemmas. You will

:56:57.:57:01.

note this, this is a quote from the Koran, and as for the two of you men

:57:02.:57:08.

who are guilty of lewdness, punish them both, and if they repent and

:57:09.:57:13.

improve, let them be. How open to interpretation is that? There is an

:57:14.:57:21.

issue. If I submit to God, if I accept God is my ultimate authority

:57:22.:57:25.

for everything, and if the Koran is the source of my inspiration, I take

:57:26.:57:33.

God's word entirely, that is made... I always accept what God says. I am

:57:34.:57:39.

not selective. I know in Islam there are many things Islam clearly says

:57:40.:57:46.

are not acceptable, one of them is sex outside marriage, homosexuality,

:57:47.:57:50.

and so on. I accept them wholeheartedly, I do not question

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God. I am asking how open to interpretation it is. You were

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emphatic it is act of homosexuality, lewdness and what does that mean? It

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is open to interpretation. It is not black-and-white. It is all down to

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interpretation. What is happening in Orlando, it is a homophobic attack,

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a terrorist attack. At the heart of it, if reports are to be believed

:58:21.:58:23.

that he was battling with internalised homophobia, where has

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that stemmed from? It has stemmed from his cultural and religious

:58:32.:58:34.

background. This is the underlying theme. Yes, what has happened is a

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total tragedy, I am not condoning what he has done, but what needs to

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be looked at... You are condemning it but not condoning it? Yes, but

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what needs to be looked at is if he was battling with internalised

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homophobia, when I went to my mum, I was told to marry a woman, because

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that was the solution. When you are a Muslim, a gay muscle, and the

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think you are seeing is either, marry a woman, remain celibate or

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commit suicide, because when you are seeing people being thrown off a

:59:17.:59:22.

mountain, from where he is, maybe he felt the only way to purify himself

:59:23.:59:30.

was... I wonder if there is a possibility of an evolution of that

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quote from the Koran in the way we have seen Catholicism involve, if

:59:34.:59:40.

that is the right word, the Pope say, if you are gay, who am I to

:59:41.:59:45.

judge? The Church of England accepting gay people as long as they

:59:46.:59:50.

don't engage in actual sex. Is there the possibility of Islam evolving?

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The understanding has to be clear. The solution from his Imam was not

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for him. None of them are a solution. This does not seem like

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somebody who has actually helped him. I say simply, Islam has some

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irreconcilable differences with the proposed way of life we have in this

:00:14.:00:17.

country, or in the West at the moment. This is one of them, but we

:00:18.:00:21.

can learn to manage and live civilly and coexist. Just because I

:00:22.:00:26.

disagree, I don't have the right to judge you or to take your life or to

:00:27.:00:31.

threaten you. I cannot does, Nate. These are Islamic intervals. Those

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Muslims leaved to be Muslims, they also need to adhere to the Islamic

:00:38.:00:41.

principles fully. I understand where you are coming from, can Islam

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evolve? It has evolved throughout time, Muslims need a change. They

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need to embrace the concept of justice, fairness and accepting

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there is something called living with differences. Certain principles

:00:59.:00:59.

of Islam will not change. Isn't it about time there was some

:01:00.:01:09.

reform on homosexuality? You and I can demand that, that is the idea...

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For British LGBT Muslims in the UK there is definite demand and a call

:01:15.:01:18.

for acceptance and tolerance around this. Let's say we accept that,

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accept and tolerate one another's differences, but with the Koran, the

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Word of God, change? Note it, it would, because it came to Prophet

:01:28.:01:32.

Muhammad as it was revealed. If it changes, it changes the fundamental

:01:33.:01:39.

principles of Islam. But Muslims under no circumstances should be

:01:40.:01:42.

intolerant or unfair, but the principles of Islam will remain the

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same. I understand, thank you both for comment on the programme.

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Let's get the weather with Carol Kirkwood.

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We have got a lot of cloud, some bright spells, and we have also got

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some thunderstorms around as well. If we start the forecast looking at

:02:02.:02:05.

the broader picture, my charts are not working, there they are, we have

:02:06.:02:09.

got rain coming across eastern Scotland, moving out of Northern

:02:10.:02:13.

Ireland, and we have got a plethora of showers across England and Wales,

:02:14.:02:18.

some of which will be slow-moving, heavy, and also thundery.

:02:19.:02:22.

Temperatures up to about 19, it will feel quite Mcgee, if you are out and

:02:23.:02:28.

about. The lion share of the sunshine will be across Orkney and

:02:29.:02:34.

Shetland 's. As we had through the evening and overnight, some

:02:35.:02:38.

persistent rain across northern Scotland, the air coming from a more

:02:39.:02:41.

northerly direction which means it will turn that bit fresher but still

:02:42.:02:46.

a lot of showers across England and some murky conditions from the North

:02:47.:02:52.

Sea, low cloud here. It will not be a particularly cold night except in

:02:53.:02:57.

the far north. As we head into tomorrow, persistent rain across

:02:58.:03:01.

Scotland, some showers across Northern Ireland, more showers for

:03:02.:03:05.

England and Wales, not all of us catching them, but potential for

:03:06.:03:09.

them to be heavy and thundery, and dry, bright conditions in between,

:03:10.:03:14.

some of us even seeing the sun and maximum temperatures tomorrow up to

:03:15.:03:15.

20 Celsius. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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welcome to the programme Our top story: I don't wish this on

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any human being, the father of the murdered South African model Reeva

:03:34.:03:35.

Steenkamp is giving testimony in court for the first time since she

:03:36.:03:40.

was shot dead by her boyfriend, the athlete Oscar Pistorius. He says he

:03:41.:03:44.

wants the world to see the wounds that killed his daughter. A lot of

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people will disagree with me and think that I am callous or whatever

:03:51.:03:54.

it is, but what I would like the world to see are the wounds

:03:55.:04:05.

inflicted on to Reeva and the pain she must have gone through, so that

:04:06.:04:13.

the world can see this and most probably distract people who are

:04:14.:04:16.

thinking of that type of deed to stop them in future, and this is why

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I ask if something like that could be shown to everybody.

:04:22.:04:27.

The head of the FA is worried about the security arrangements at head of

:04:28.:04:40.

England's next game in Euro 2016. He has rejected the idea that fans

:04:41.:04:45.

were partly to blame the trouble inside the stadium.

:04:46.:04:47.

We will get reaction from England supporters before 11am.

:04:48.:04:50.

And, exclusive access to a scheme in schools which helps children

:04:51.:04:53.

who've been exposed to domestic violence at home.

:04:54.:04:55.

If there is a child in a home and the night before there has been a

:04:56.:05:01.

call to the police and there has been domestic abuse, I, as the

:05:02.:05:05.

headteacher, will be told that have happened prior to 9am the next

:05:06.:05:10.

school day. What it means is that we, their teachers, who spend large

:05:11.:05:14.

part of time with them, we can do some support for them.

:05:15.:05:19.

And, a mum in her 40s has 17 children taken into care.

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Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:05:25.:05:34.

Reeva Steenkamp's father has given emotional

:05:35.:05:37.

testimony at the sentencing of Oscar Pistorious,

:05:38.:05:39.

The athlete is back in court in Pretoria this morning

:05:40.:05:46.

for the second day of his sentencing hearing after he was found guilty

:05:47.:05:50.

of murdering his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp last December.

:05:51.:05:54.

Ms Steenkamp's father, Barry Steenkamp, told

:05:55.:05:56.

of the toll his daughters death had on him, saying he is unable to "mix

:05:57.:06:03.

with people" since his daughter's murder.

:06:04.:06:08.

What she must have gone through in those split seconds, she must have

:06:09.:06:17.

been in so much fear and pain. That is what I think of all the time will

:06:18.:06:23.

stop I visualise that I can see it myself. It must have been absolutely

:06:24.:06:33.

and utterly awful. Because of that, you also tried to hurt yourself?

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Yes. At times... I thought the pain that Reeva went through, I used to,

:06:43.:06:47.

I don't know whether I was going to mental or whatever, but are used to

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take my fist and hit it up against the wall, my knuckles, might

:06:53.:06:57.

injection from my diabetes, I used to take the needle and shove it into

:06:58.:07:02.

my stomach and my arms to see if I could feel the same type of pain,

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but no. We will speak to a spokesperson for

:07:07.:07:12.

the family just before 10:30am, stay with us for that.

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The chairman of the FA, Greg Dyke, has written to European

:07:16.:07:17.

football's governing body, Uefa, to express 'serious

:07:18.:07:19.

concern' about security arrangements in Lille,

:07:20.:07:20.

where England and Russia fans will gather for this

:07:21.:07:22.

Both sets of supporters clashed in Marseilles at the weekend.

:07:23.:07:26.

The two teams have been warned they could be expelled

:07:27.:07:29.

from the Euros if their fans are involved in more violence.

:07:30.:07:31.

The FA chairman has rejected a suggestion that England supporters

:07:32.:07:34.

were at fault for scenes inside the stadium

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Let's go live to Sally Nugent in Paris. What is being done about

:07:37.:07:48.

security? You mentioned the flash point,

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Russia due to play in Lille on Wednesday, England and Wales playing

:07:53.:07:56.

in Lens on Thursday, Greg Dyke in his letter this morning has said

:07:57.:08:00.

clearly he would welcome an alcohol ban, particularly in Lille on

:08:01.:08:04.

Wednesday when many English fans have been told to gather their ad of

:08:05.:08:09.

Thursday's match against Wales in Lens. There were security worries

:08:10.:08:14.

about English and Welsh bands being together in Lens in a smaller space

:08:15.:08:19.

so the advice was to go to Lille and stay there but of course the Roger

:08:20.:08:22.

Barnes will have just seen their side place of IKEA there so Greg

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Dyke is appealing for an alcohol ban to be put on plays in Wednesday in

:08:26.:08:27.

Lille. New figures show around one in six

:08:28.:08:38.

children in England missed out on a place at their first choice

:08:39.:08:41.

of secondary school this year. In total, 84.1% of 11-year-olds

:08:42.:08:44.

were given a spot at their first preference,

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compared with 84.2% in 2015. One in eight primary school children

:08:47.:08:49.

didn't receive their That's a summary of

:08:50.:08:51.

the latest BBC News. Yes, it is a relief to be talking

:08:52.:09:06.

about sport instead of security problems in Paris over the last few

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days, across the country, I should say. The Republic of Ireland were 20

:09:12.:09:15.

minutes away from victory at the Stade Francais against Sweden

:09:16.:09:20.

yesterday. They scored a wonderful opener. Wes Hoolahan with a

:09:21.:09:23.

wonderful half volley into the corner. Sweden did not have a single

:09:24.:09:28.

shot on target but Ciaran Clarke headed into his own net. 1-41 the

:09:29.:09:33.

Final Score, the Republic face Belgium next on Saturday. -- 1-41

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was the final school. Italy are in charge in Group E

:09:41.:09:44.

after a 2-0 win over Belgium. This late goal from Southampton

:09:45.:09:52.

striker Graziano Pelle Defending champions Spain

:09:53.:09:52.

are up and running. Despite being totally dominant

:09:53.:09:52.

against the Czech Republic, they could only muster

:09:53.:09:53.

one goal in Toulouse, So, the home nations are next

:09:54.:09:55.

in action on Thursday. England will play Wales

:09:56.:09:58.

and Northern Ireland Michael O'Neill's side need a win

:09:59.:10:00.

after their opening Our reporter Katie Gornall

:10:01.:10:04.

is with the team at their training They need to lift themselves

:10:05.:10:18.

somehow, don't they? They certainly do, training has just

:10:19.:10:21.

started but before the players came onto the pitch they were brought

:10:22.:10:24.

into a huddle with Michael O'Neill who spoke to them for several

:10:25.:10:27.

minutes. They have got plenty to work on, there was a lot of

:10:28.:10:30.

excitement ahead of their opening game, their first in 30 years, but

:10:31.:10:40.

it did not go as planned, they only lost 1-0 but the gulf between the

:10:41.:10:45.

sides was quite great and we had some words from Kyle Lafferty in the

:10:46.:10:50.

aftermath of the game where he said the team failed to register a single

:10:51.:10:54.

shot on target and it was not a Northern Ireland performance so they

:10:55.:10:57.

will hope to put that right against Ukraine on Thursday, there is a

:10:58.:11:04.

danger man there on the wing but they know that realistically they

:11:05.:11:07.

need to get something out of that game if they are to avoid the

:11:08.:11:11.

prospect of having to play world champions Germany and win in their

:11:12.:11:15.

final match. We will hear more about that later when the players do their

:11:16.:11:19.

press conference but I think also in that match we will see an emotional

:11:20.:11:23.

tribute from supporters but Darren Rogers, the Northern Ireland fan who

:11:24.:11:27.

sadly lost his life in an accident on Monday, something that has

:11:28.:11:30.

resonated sadly with the fans and players here, and I think we will

:11:31.:11:35.

hear from Jonny Evans and Michael McGovern, the goalkeeper, later with

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more on that. Thanks very much.

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Away from the US, Ronald Koeman has finally been confirmed as the new

:11:47.:11:49.

Everton manager, replacing Roberto Martinez. He has signed a three-year

:11:50.:11:54.

deal after Everton agreed to pay ?5 million to release him from

:11:55.:11:58.

Southampton. Wales have lost 40 points to seven

:11:59.:12:06.

to New Zealand's superbug beside the cheats in Hamilton. -- super rugby

:12:07.:12:10.

side the Chiefs. One in five children are exposed

:12:11.:12:17.

to domestic violence in homes, but in many instances the schools

:12:18.:12:20.

are unaware that This programme has been given

:12:21.:12:22.

exclusive access to one scheme It's called Operation Encompass

:12:23.:12:25.

and aims to support children by ensuring police communicate

:12:26.:12:29.

directly with schools to inform them that an incident of domestic abuse

:12:30.:12:31.

has happened in a child's home. It was developed by a couple

:12:32.:12:40.

who are a head teacher and a police officer, and wanted to come up

:12:41.:12:43.

with a plan to stop schools being left in the dark

:12:44.:12:46.

about the home life of pupils. That couple, David and Lis

:12:47.:12:54.

Carney-Howarth, are here now. Also, Zoe Billingham, the lead of

:12:55.:13:01.

child inspection with Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary, and also

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a representative from a charity supporting women who have been

:13:11.:13:14.

exposed to domestic abuse. You started to talk to your husband,

:13:15.:13:18.

a police officer, about sorting this out, tell our viewers? I was angry

:13:19.:13:23.

because I had a visit from an education welfare officer in the

:13:24.:13:26.

October, she came to talk about attendance targets and at the end

:13:27.:13:30.

she said, there was an incident, and detailed it to me, and it had

:13:31.:13:35.

happened and -- it had happened in June, it was now October and the

:13:36.:13:38.

child was not even in my school any longer. I could pinpoint the change

:13:39.:13:42.

in that child's behaviour to when that domestic abuse incident

:13:43.:13:46.

happened and I was furious because I knew that we have been given no

:13:47.:13:50.

chance to support the child and his last few months with us and the

:13:51.:13:54.

experiences he was now having in his next school may never have happened

:13:55.:13:56.

if we had been given the chance to make a difference for that

:13:57.:14:13.

little boy. Hence this simple but logical idea, and so effective that

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how many children now do you think have been helped by the skin?

:14:19.:14:23.

Thousands, literally thousands. It is hard to put a number on it

:14:24.:14:27.

because there are 15 forces that have embraced this. I thought it was

:14:28.:14:34.

12, has it gone up? Yes, it is hard to know exactly but we are in the

:14:35.:14:37.

thousands. In the first few months in Plymouth there were 1000

:14:38.:14:42.

children, we held an event at Plymouth Argyle football ground

:14:43.:14:46.

where we got 1000 children to come in and represented the victims that

:14:47.:14:52.

we had supported. We saw in the film earlier, we had an example of a

:14:53.:14:55.

little boy who turned up with his teddy bear which normally would have

:14:56.:14:59.

been removed, but he was allowed to keep the teddy bear that day. Give

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us another example of somebody you have helped to have been exposed to

:15:03.:15:07.

domestic abuse who you were able to help because the police had informed

:15:08.:15:11.

you? This is another example from Plymouth, a much older child, to

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show the difference. There had been an incident of domestic abuse, she

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was about to sit her exams that morning, so they met her and took

:15:21.:15:24.

her to one side, told her they knew what had happened at home and they

:15:25.:15:28.

said, have you had breakfast? Do you need to sit your exams somewhere

:15:29.:15:32.

else or do you want to sit it with everyone else? They took the time to

:15:33.:15:35.

talk to how to make sure she was calm and in an emotionally as good a

:15:36.:15:40.

place as you could be with what had happened and was therefore able to

:15:41.:15:44.

sit her exams. Another example of a child of a similar age, they spoke

:15:45.:15:48.

to her about what was happening at home and she was fine, I don't need

:15:49.:15:52.

to talk about it, it is fine. A few weeks later she went back to them,

:15:53.:15:55.

because they knew what was happening in the home, and she said, I cannot

:15:56.:15:59.

live there any longer, I need to move out but I want to move out

:16:00.:16:10.

safely, said because of Operation Encompass she was able to move out

:16:11.:16:12.

safely instead of possibly becoming a missing child who left home and

:16:13.:16:15.

nobody knew where due was, anything like that, so she was able to do

:16:16.:16:18.

that in a positive way, so it ranges from a teddy bear to helping a

:16:19.:16:20.

16-year-old move out safely, that is what it can do.

:16:21.:16:25.

Thank goodness not only has somebody realise the impact of domestic abuse

:16:26.:16:31.

on children, which is extremely severe and long-lasting, but is

:16:32.:16:36.

doing something about it which is really practical. What has to be in

:16:37.:16:41.

place is support for the victim as well, because domestic abuse

:16:42.:16:47.

absolutely eat away at the very heart of a woman's ability to parent

:16:48.:16:54.

her children. It is important, this is happening at a time and we are

:16:55.:16:57.

seeing support services for women scaled back, and we need to make

:16:58.:17:02.

sure that the support is there is a follow up. It is fantastic, I know a

:17:03.:17:08.

boy who was not going to school, because he was too scared to leave

:17:09.:17:15.

his mother. Truancy, the effect on her of that, her legal

:17:16.:17:18.

responsibilities in relation to his truancy, all of that could have been

:17:19.:17:22.

avoided with this scheme. You have inspected forces, how do you rate

:17:23.:17:29.

Operation Encompass? We think it is fantastic, what is there not to

:17:30.:17:34.

like? It is so common sense. There is often a tendency to

:17:35.:17:38.

overcomplicate, here is a simple way that children can be looked at and

:17:39.:17:43.

looked after at school, just a passing a simple piece of

:17:44.:17:48.

information overnight to the school. There are only 15 forces in the

:17:49.:17:51.

country doing this that we are aware of. For those that are doing it,

:17:52.:17:56.

please carry on, for those that are not, we are coming back to inspect

:17:57.:18:00.

forces to see how well they are providing a service to victims. We

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will look to see whether or not those remaining forces of the 43

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going to introduce this scheme. Why wouldn't you? You raise one

:18:10.:18:19.

question, might it stop some women potentially reporting domestic abuse

:18:20.:18:22.

to the police, because they know the school might be involved? We need to

:18:23.:18:28.

make sure this does not happen. As more and more forces role in this

:18:29.:18:33.

out, they need to keep track of women coming forward to make sure

:18:34.:18:37.

that that is not negatively impacted, occurs we don't want to

:18:38.:18:45.

create a fear that women won't tell the police because they know the

:18:46.:18:48.

information will be passed on. I hope that won't happen. On the

:18:49.:18:53.

contrary, what a victim should feel is if this scheme is in place, it

:18:54.:18:57.

means the police are treating domestic abuse in a victim centred

:18:58.:19:02.

and compassionate way. It should be a good sign, but I hope it does not

:19:03.:19:09.

deter women from reporting. Really appreciate it. If you want to watch

:19:10.:19:16.

our full film, you can find it on our programme page on your website.

:19:17.:19:22.

"I don't wish this on any human being."

:19:23.:19:24.

The father of the murdered South African model Reeva Steenkamp

:19:25.:19:26.

is giving testimony in court for the first time since

:19:27.:19:30.

she was shot dead by the athlete Oscar Pistorius.

:19:31.:19:35.

He says he wants the world to see the wounds that killed his daughter.

:19:36.:19:40.

Barry Steenkamp says he would stick needles in his arms and stomach

:19:41.:19:44.

to see if he could feel the pain Reeva had felt and that

:19:45.:19:49.

Oscar Pistiorus must pay for his crime.

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The house to pay for what he did. He has to pay for it.

:19:59.:20:08.

That is all I can say. How should he pay for it? That is up to the court.

:20:09.:20:20.

And we will go by the decision the court hands down to Oscar. He has to

:20:21.:20:25.

pay for his crime. Utterly distressing testimony from

:20:26.:20:40.

her father this morning, tell us more. It was a sad, emotional

:20:41.:20:48.

moment, completely heart-wrenching evidence that her father gave inside

:20:49.:20:57.

the courtroom. He recounted the day Reeva was killed, he said he was at

:20:58.:21:01.

work, he got a distressed phone call from his wife June and rushed home.

:21:02.:21:06.

As he got there, he realised that his daughter had been murdered. He

:21:07.:21:11.

also told the court he feels that he wants the world to see the wounds

:21:12.:21:16.

that killed Reeva Steenkamp, and he also says Oscar Pistorius should pay

:21:17.:21:22.

for the crime, but at the same time we heard before his evidence from a

:21:23.:21:31.

woman, a famous chef from Ireland, she said she feels that Oscar

:21:32.:21:34.

Pistorius has already been punished enough, he is a model citizen, and

:21:35.:21:41.

he should contribute to South African society. In terms of the

:21:42.:21:50.

hearing this week, from eyeing our audience why Oscar Pistorius is back

:21:51.:21:55.

in court. This is the recent and think. In December he lost the

:21:56.:22:01.

appeal to still stick with the culpable homicide conviction. After

:22:02.:22:06.

he was sentenced to five years for manslaughter, the equivalent of

:22:07.:22:13.

culpable homicide, the state went and approached the Supreme Court of

:22:14.:22:17.

Appeal, wanting the conviction to be turned to that of murder. The state

:22:18.:22:23.

one that appeal. Oscar Pistorius was convicted for murder. That is why he

:22:24.:22:29.

has been resentenced. According to the criminal procedures act of South

:22:30.:22:33.

Africa, a minimum sentence for murder is 15 years.

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America has been mourning its dead after the mass murder in the gay

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Mourning its dead and asking questions about the nation's

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Vigils have been held around the United States

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and in this country, from Glasgow to Manchester,

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In Soho, the heart of London's gay nightlife, thousands of people

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packed into Old Compton Street, itself the victim of a homophobic

:22:57.:23:00.

terror attack in 1999, for a two-minute silence.

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Our reporter James Longman went to join them.

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A moment for London to remember Orlando's dead.

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So, silence ending with a spontaneous round of applause,

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as multicoloured balloons rise into the air over London.

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Similar vigils were marked all over the world, but here,

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Orlando's victims were honoured in a place hatred has struck before.

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Three people died in a homophobic nail-bomb attack in 1999

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A fitting place to think of those killed at the weekend.

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I don't think people who are not gay, lesbian, bisexual

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or transgender realise the mental gymnastics that

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What's going to happen if I hold this guy's hand, or kiss this guy?

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Can you maybe explain a little bit about why gay venues,

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LGBT venues are important for people to be able to go to historically?

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Well, I think they are a safe space, and I think it's really sad

:24:13.:24:16.

that we can't actually go to these places and not feel safe, and that's

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And will you all be going to Pride this year?

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This again is making it more obvious, more clear that, yeah,

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we've won a lot of the battles in the UK and Europe,

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Going into a queer space, a gay club, yes, it's

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about having a good time and being with your friends,

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but it's also about a safe space, a place of sanctuary.

:24:58.:24:59.

I've been going to gay clubs for 18 years or more, and probably

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And I went there for fun and debauchery.

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But I found my community and my friends and a place where I'm

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not worried to go to the toilets on my own because nobody

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So we're are mourning the loss of the people that we love,

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whether we knew them or not, but I think we are also mourning

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I woman from Newcastle has had 17 different children taken into care.

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One woman has given birth 17 times and all children have been taken

:25:45.:25:51.

into care. That is right. We put in a Freedom of Information request to

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Newcastle City Council when we found out they had approached a charity

:25:56.:25:59.

and asked for help. That is when we got the figure of 17. This is a

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repeat removal, researchers say this happens either immediately after

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birth or very shortly after birth. For these women, life has always

:26:11.:26:14.

been difficult, 50% have been in care themselves, even more have been

:26:15.:26:19.

in domestically violent relationships, and many have had

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drug and alcohol problems. That is why their children have been

:26:24.:26:27.

removed. You believe that this is the highest amount of children taken

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from one mother in the whole of England? We do. We approached

:26:31.:26:36.

researchers at Lancaster University with the figure of 17. We said, have

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you heard of a figure as high as that? They said, no, that was the

:26:43.:26:48.

highest they had heard. They'd use reliable data sets that they have

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got from family courts. They are the leading UK authority on repeat

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removal is. In terms of Newcastle, do they say, this is a particular

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problem in our area? They have identified it as a problem, but it

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is a nationwide problem. The charity they work with has worked with seven

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local authorities, Newcastle will be the eighth, they have worked with

:27:15.:27:18.

people in London, Doncaster and Hull. Newcastle has the attention

:27:19.:27:23.

grabbing figure, but it is a nationwide issue. What do they say

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in their statement? They have not been able to put anybody up for

:27:30.:27:34.

interview, but I have some of the statement. It would not be

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appropriate to comment on a specific case. As for care for mothers, it

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will be dependent on the needs of each mother, who made themselves be

:27:42.:27:46.

vulnerable. In Newcastle we have taken a robust approach to gathering

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and analysing data and using this information innovatively to improve

:27:52.:27:54.

outcomes for children we have studied the practice from other

:27:55.:27:58.

parts of the country, where there have been success in identifying and

:27:59.:28:01.

addressing the issue of mothers who repeatedly have their children

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taking into care. On this programme recently

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we spoke to Annie - She had several children taken

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into care and fought to regain When you put your children into

:28:13.:28:23.

care, there is always the thought you can do some work, try and write

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the prongs that have meant they have had to go into care. When the child

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is taken, the story has already started to be written, and if the

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child is a baby, you know the child may never come back to you, it may

:28:40.:28:45.

be adopted. You do not know what the future holds for your family. When

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you have been reunited with some of your children after they have been

:28:50.:28:54.

taken into care, what is that like? It is lovely, wonderful, great, that

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it is also very scary, because your children have lost trust in you,

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because you have put them in a house with strangers through no fault of

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their own. They have not done anything to warrant being there.

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They have to build up their trust in you again. You also have to

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demonstrate that the reason they went into care will not happen again

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to the local authority. Let's talk to Sophie Humphreys -

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she runs Pause, a project working with women who have experienced

:29:30.:29:33.

what are called repeat removals. Andy Elvin is a social worker

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who has carried out several He now runs a charity for fostering

:29:38.:29:40.

and adopting children. Your response to the fact that one

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woman has given birth to 17 children and they all have been removed? This

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is a national issue. 17 is the more extreme end, but we are working in

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seven local areas currently, we are about to start a Newcastle, and we

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are looking at working with women who have an average of four children

:30:12.:30:16.

removed, often you will see ten, 11, 12. How do you react to this? It is

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at the extreme end, but I have been involved in cases where we have

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removed three or four children. In the early 2000 is, we were crying

:30:29.:30:33.

out for a service like Pause, because you know you will be back

:30:34.:30:38.

with the same other in months, you get to the end of one set of

:30:39.:30:43.

proceedings, the mother was already pregnant, and nothing had changed.

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The social workers are there for the child, so once the child is removed,

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there is not a service for the parent. It is vital we work with

:30:51.:30:56.

these women, because they will be back in. Not only is it bad for

:30:57.:31:02.

children, it costs a fortune. Tell our audience about the lives of

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these women who get pregnant continually. The reason that Pause

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came about was because of that experience of removing children from

:31:12.:31:12.

the same women. When you look at their lives, they

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are very vulnerable. They have very comp like slides. The majority of

:31:25.:31:29.

them have had extremely poor childhood experiences, they will

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have been sexually abused, they may have been sexually exploited, often

:31:34.:31:38.

missed education during that time, they have also, 50% of them, been in

:31:39.:31:46.

care themselves, so we are looking at a transgenerational issue. What

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we are about is trying to break that cycle.

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To break that cycle, did the women on the programme have to be on

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contraception? Absolutely, it is a voluntary programme but for them to

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have the balls, and to have what we have named it for, to create space

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for those women to focus on other aspects of their lives, if it is

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caught up with the risk of getting pregnant and all the things that

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kick into play once a woman is pregnant, it will sap the tide --

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sabotage the chance of them making a change and tackling those

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destructive issues and behaviours they have been called into because

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of not having had the opportunity to focus on themselves before. Andy,

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you said as a social worker you were involved in a number of repeat

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removal cases. It is worth emphasising it is not a social

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worker who make the decision to remove a child? Absolutely not. You

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said your interest is the child but a judge makes the decision. What

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were they things as a social worker that you have to consider? You

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considered the best interests of the child and whether they are likely to

:32:55.:32:57.

suffer significant harm, and if the mother has not received services to

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move on from the issues that have led to children being removed, the

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legal threshold will be met and the judge will allow you to remove the

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child. In social work we are good at supporting children but sometimes

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not supporting parents have lost their children and

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we don't sufficiently support payments when the children are

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returned to them. When a child goes into foster care there is a lot of

:33:30.:33:31.

support but when they returned to both parents there is little support

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and it is a hidden area in social work and we have to get better at

:33:35.:33:37.

both. Let me bring in Karen Broadhurst from Lancaster University

:33:38.:33:39.

has researched the issue. Welcome to the programme. Thank you. We started

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looking at a family court records in 2014 and what we were able to do

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with those records was establish the size of the problem, so as Sophie

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and Andy are talking about practitioners on the front line were

:33:51.:33:53.

meeting those cases in their day-to-day work but we were able to

:33:54.:33:59.

quantify the size of the problem nationally and to identify that

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returning to court is far from unusual. Using probabilities, one in

:34:02.:34:08.

three very young women and one in four older women will return to

:34:09.:34:13.

court, so this is something the Family Court are dealing with

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typically on a day-to-day basis. In terms of numbers, what are we

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looking at? During the 2007-2000 14, 7000 women, a sizeable population,

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all individual women, not duplicate -- 2007 to 2014. We have to take

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into account they are coming back on multiple occasions, twice, three

:34:41.:34:45.

times, more than four times. Thank you, we are going to leave it there

:34:46.:34:48.

but we appreciate your time very much.

:34:49.:35:06.

With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:35:07.:35:08.

Reeva Steenkamp's father has given emotional

:35:09.:35:10.

testimony at the sentencing of Oscar Pistorious,

:35:11.:35:12.

describing his grief over his daughter's death.

:35:13.:35:14.

Pistorious is back in court in Pretoria this morning

:35:15.:35:16.

for the second day of his sentencing hearing after he was found guilty

:35:17.:35:19.

of murdering his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp last December.

:35:20.:35:21.

Ms Steenkamp's father Barry Steenkamp told

:35:22.:35:22.

of the toll his daughter's death had on him, saying he is unable to "mix

:35:23.:35:26.

What she must have gone through in those split seconds... She must have

:35:27.:35:40.

been in so much fear and pain. That is what I think all the time, I

:35:41.:35:47.

visualise that I can see it myself. It must have been absolutely and

:35:48.:35:49.

utterly awful. The chairman of the FA, Greg Dyke,

:35:50.:35:55.

has written to European football's governing body Uefa to express

:35:56.:35:58.

"serious concern" about security arrangements in Lille,

:35:59.:36:00.

where England and Russia fans will gather for this

:36:01.:36:02.

week's Euro 2016 matches. Both sets of supporters clashed

:36:03.:36:04.

in Marseilles at the weekend. The two teams have been warned

:36:05.:36:06.

they could be expelled from the Euros if their fans

:36:07.:36:08.

are involved in more violence. Vigils and memorial services have

:36:09.:36:12.

been held in Orlando, across the UK and around the world

:36:13.:36:15.

for the victims of Sunday's Authorities are still

:36:16.:36:18.

trying to understand the motives of Omar Mateen,

:36:19.:36:21.

and whether he was inspired purely by so-called Islamic State,

:36:22.:36:26.

with new reports suggesting the gunman visited

:36:27.:36:28.

the club several times. The French President Francois

:36:29.:36:33.

Hollande has described the killing of a senior police officer

:36:34.:36:35.

and his partner near Paris The officer, who wasn't in uniform,

:36:36.:36:38.

was stabbed outside his home by a man who then barricaded

:36:39.:36:43.

himself into the house. A police raid found the bodies

:36:44.:36:45.

of a woman and that of the attacker. It's reported that the attacker

:36:46.:36:49.

claimed allegiance to so-called That's a summary of the latest

:36:50.:36:52.

news, join me for BBC Thank you, Victoria,

:36:53.:36:58.

here are today's sport headlines, starting here in Paris,

:36:59.:37:08.

where Ireland started their Euro 2016 campaign

:37:09.:37:11.

with a draw against Sweden. A Wes Hoolahan goal had seen

:37:12.:37:16.

Martin O'Neill's side into the lead, before an own goal meant

:37:17.:37:19.

it finished 1-1. Italy are in charge in Group E

:37:20.:37:21.

after a 2-0 win over Belgium. This late goal from Southampton

:37:22.:37:26.

striker Graziano Pelle Defending champions Spain

:37:27.:37:28.

are up and running. Despite being totally dominant

:37:29.:37:34.

against the Czech Republic they could only muster

:37:35.:37:36.

one goal in Toulouse. Away from the Euros,

:37:37.:37:40.

Ronald Koeman has finally been confirmed as the new Everton

:37:41.:37:47.

manager, replacing Roberto Martinez. Koeman has signed a three-year deal

:37:48.:37:49.

after Everton agreed to pay ?5 million to release

:37:50.:37:51.

him from Southampton. Finally, Wales have lost 40-7

:37:52.:37:55.

to New Zealand Super Rugby side Wales captain Luke Charteris says

:37:56.:38:00.

they let themselves down. That is all the sports News from

:38:01.:38:16.

here in Paris, back to you. Is there panic in the Labour Party

:38:17.:38:20.

over the possibility of Britain voting to leave the European Union?

:38:21.:38:24.

Let's speak to our political Guru Norman Smith.

:38:25.:38:29.

Is there? There is a certain gallows humour in the Remain camp. I am at

:38:30.:38:34.

the TUC headquarters where Mr Corbyn will be arriving with his Shadow

:38:35.:38:39.

Cabinet shortly for a lovey-dovey photo to underline how they are all

:38:40.:38:42.

together, campaigning to keep Britain in the EU. But what do you

:38:43.:38:46.

do if you are a Labour Leader and you think Labour supporters are just

:38:47.:38:51.

not listening to you? There are two things, you could go and cry in the

:38:52.:38:56.

corner or you can press the NHS buttons. That is pretty much what

:38:57.:39:00.

Jeremy Corbyn will do today, he will hammer it with an almighty great

:39:01.:39:04.

mallet in the hope that saying the NHS is at risk if we vote to leave

:39:05.:39:10.

will get Labour people to back Remain because there is growing

:39:11.:39:14.

concern that a large swathe of them, primarily because of immigration,

:39:15.:39:17.

will vote for Brexit, so today Mr Corbyn will say, be careful because

:39:18.:39:22.

Boris Johnson and the leaders of the Brexit campaigns are not big on the

:39:23.:39:26.

NHS, they have spoken about privatising it, talking about social

:39:27.:39:30.

insurance schemes for the NHS, and he will warn that if we pull out the

:39:31.:39:34.

economy will take a huge hit which will mean less cash for the NHS.

:39:35.:39:40.

Against that, he has run up against them of his own MPs who are

:39:41.:39:45.

campaigning for Brexit, people like Labour's Bradfield, who have written

:39:46.:39:49.

a joint letter to the Sun newspaper, about a dozen of them, saying, there

:39:50.:39:55.

is nothing disloyal about voting for Brexit -- Labour's Frank Field.

:39:56.:39:59.

Don't be bad as a Labour person if you vote Brexit, and you sense there

:40:00.:40:04.

is tension now in the Labour camp with all sides trying to appeal to

:40:05.:40:09.

Labour voters -- don't feel bad. In terms of the pledge from the

:40:10.:40:17.

Leave side to organisations, academics, universities, various

:40:18.:40:20.

institutions, that they will continue to receive that European

:40:21.:40:24.

funding in the event of a vote to leave, how can they make that

:40:25.:40:28.

promise? It is a very good question. What

:40:29.:40:36.

they say is that the money we give to Europe and Europe gets back to us

:40:37.:40:42.

in terms of cash through the Common Agricultural Policy or cash for

:40:43.:40:48.

universities, all cash for deprived areas of Britain, they will make

:40:49.:40:51.

good the money, they say, they will not just have it cut up with a

:40:52.:40:56.

resounding thud, and they said they will make the sums add up because,

:40:57.:41:00.

they say, we will no longer be paying, they say, ?350 million a

:41:01.:41:05.

week to the EU, and we know that they do has been challenged and the

:41:06.:41:08.

Institute for Fiscal Studies and others will be gunning through the

:41:09.:41:11.

latest numbers, but you get the sense they want to reassure people

:41:12.:41:14.

it will not all be massive change and their lives will not be thrown

:41:15.:41:24.

up in the air and people will be destitute if we leave the EU. In

:41:25.:41:26.

other words, trying to reassure voters that if we take this huge

:41:27.:41:29.

step it will be all right on the night.

:41:30.:41:31.

I wonder if there are some around Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the

:41:32.:41:35.

Labour Party, wondering if they have left it a bit late to reassure their

:41:36.:41:39.

own supporters that they should be voting to remain?

:41:40.:41:46.

Sorry, I'm afraid I missed that, you broke up a bit.

:41:47.:41:49.

I was saying I wonder if Jeremy Corbyn and those around him at the

:41:50.:41:52.

top of Labour are wondering whether they left it a bit late to convince

:41:53.:42:00.

their supporters to vote to remain? It is a fraught moment for the

:42:01.:42:04.

Labour Party, let's be honest, because there are some who fear that

:42:05.:42:07.

something much more profound is going on with Labour here, it is not

:42:08.:42:13.

just about immigration, it is a much longer term issue and in a way it is

:42:14.:42:17.

like what happened in Scotland, with many traditional Labour voters,

:42:18.:42:20.

predominantly in northern old manufacturing seeds feel the party

:42:21.:42:26.

does not represent them, it is too middle-class, to metropolitan, and

:42:27.:42:29.

that is precisely the sort of voter that people like Frank Field are

:42:30.:42:32.

trying to appeal to, and when I spoke to him this morning he said Mr

:42:33.:42:36.

Corbyn should not think you can simply tell Labour voters what to do

:42:37.:42:41.

when they will follow him. This has been wonderful, this

:42:42.:42:44.

globalisation moves throughout the world, for the rich, but if you are

:42:45.:42:47.

at the bottom of the pile you have paid the price, and we are seeing it

:42:48.:42:53.

in America, we are seeing it in France, Germany, Austria, and we are

:42:54.:42:58.

seeing it here, people saying, it is enough, I am fed up, and we don't

:42:59.:43:02.

have to take it. That is partly what this boat is about, to say, we have

:43:03.:43:05.

borne this price of your open markets with our wages being pushed

:43:06.:43:25.

down, our children not being able to get houses, not being able to get

:43:26.:43:28.

into the schools that we would like to get them into, of lengthening

:43:29.:43:30.

queues in the NHS, and the referendum day will be a day when

:43:31.:43:32.

they say, enough is enough. Here is a funny thing, a lot of the

:43:33.:43:35.

Labour folk gathering here take the view that we in the media are partly

:43:36.:43:38.

to blame for what is happening to the Labour vote because they say we

:43:39.:43:41.

are not reporting what Labour is doing and therefore it is impossible

:43:42.:43:44.

for Team Corbyn and others to get the message across. My understanding

:43:45.:43:46.

is today Mr Corbyn won't be taking any questions from the media and you

:43:47.:43:50.

are left scratching your head and thinking, if you want us to report

:43:51.:43:54.

what you are doing, surely you at least have to

:43:55.:44:08.

allow us to ask you some questions? Maybe that will change but at the

:44:09.:44:12.

moment it seems there will not be any cue an day with people like me.

:44:13.:44:14.

There is no law requiring politicians to take questions from

:44:15.:44:17.

people like yourself, Norman, as you know! Thank you for them moment.

:44:18.:44:20.

If you've got any questions on the EU referendum, let us know.

:44:21.:44:22.

The Conservative MP and former Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox,

:44:23.:44:25.

who supports Britain leaving the EU, will be answering your questions

:44:26.:44:27.

at 11:30am tomorrow morning here on the BBC News Channel.

:44:28.:44:30.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis,

:44:31.:44:32.

It is an alarming statistic, one in five children exposed to domestic

:44:33.:44:43.

abuse in their own home but many schools are unaware anything is

:44:44.:44:44.

going on. This programme has been given

:44:45.:44:55.

exclusive access to one scheme It's called Operation Encompass

:44:56.:44:57.

and aims to support children by ensuring police communicate

:44:58.:45:01.

directly with schools to inform them that an incident of domestic abuse

:45:02.:45:03.

has happened in a child's home. It was developed by a couple

:45:04.:45:06.

who are a head teacher and a police officer, and wanted to come up

:45:07.:45:09.

with a plan to stop schools being left in the dark

:45:10.:45:12.

about the home life of pupils. We bought you Rebecca Wilcox's full

:45:13.:45:15.

report earlier in the programme. He would push me, shove me,

:45:16.:45:18.

there's been occasions In England and Wales,

:45:19.:45:21.

around a quarter of women experience Jane, which isn't her real name,

:45:22.:45:24.

is one of them, and, like many of those victims,

:45:25.:45:28.

she has kids. Locking me out of my house

:45:29.:45:30.

with my children, I couldn't go back to the house to go and get my stuff

:45:31.:45:33.

because he said he will kill me. Jane's kids make up just three

:45:34.:45:38.

of the estimated million children in the UK who've been

:45:39.:45:41.

affected by domestic abuse. Lis Carney-Howarth is

:45:42.:45:50.

the headteacher of an infant She was frustrated by the lack

:45:51.:45:52.

of help given to kids She and her husband David,

:45:53.:45:59.

who was then a policeman, came up with a plan to help kids

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who have witnessed domestic abuse. Operation Encompass

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is an incredibly simple idea. What it means is that

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if there is a child in a home and the night before there has been

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a call to the police and there's been domestic abuse,

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I, as the headteacher, will be told that has happened prior

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to 9am the next school day. And what it means is that we,

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their teachers, we can actually do That is where Jane and her

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son come in. We're calling him Alex,

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and he was just five years old when the scheme was introduced

:46:38.:46:40.

at Lis' school. This is the first time the mother

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of a child who has been on this We wanted to speak to Alex as well,

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but understandably Jane worried it So she told me how much

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support they had got It helped him and it

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helped me to stay strong, because I knew that I wasn't just

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sending my little boy to school to be worrying

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about what has gone on at home, feeling frightened but having no-one

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to talk to, because the headteacher and his teachers were made aware

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of this, so they really nursed him and gave him

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all the attention that he needed, He came out of school that day much

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brighter than when he went in. It was the first Operation Encompass

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call she had ever received. When he arrived at school,

:47:31.:47:37.

Alex brought with him a teddy bear. Normally when a child brings a teddy

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bear to school we would say, "Is Mummy taking the teddy bear home

:47:42.:47:45.

with her, or shall we put the teddy bear somewhere safe

:47:46.:47:48.

in the classroom?" But because we knew what had

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happened, his class teacher didn't do that, and she let him just

:47:52.:47:54.

bring his teddy bear into school. For us, that was absolutely

:47:55.:47:59.

nothing, but to that little From these small beginnings,

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Operation Encompass has been rolled out across at least 12 other police

:48:02.:48:05.

forces including Merseyside, Cheshire and Cleveland,

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but Elisabeth and David want more. It should be in every force

:48:10.:48:15.

for every school for every It is happening slowly,

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but we want more momentum, we want somebody to take control,

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maybe from Government. Even though Jane has moved on,

:48:22.:48:25.

she is still grateful for the ongoing support

:48:26.:48:27.

that her youngest received As soon as he became part

:48:28.:48:29.

of Operation Encompass, the bad behaviour stopped,

:48:30.:48:37.

he stopped the spitting, He was getting back to that lovely

:48:38.:48:39.

little boy, and if he wouldn't have had that help when he was five,

:48:40.:48:44.

it makes me feel sick to the stomach So many comments, this is Kate, I

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have been through 17 years of domestic file and is, I have two

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children, I cried when I watched your report, I thought it was

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fantastic. Might child still has panic attacks, she has not been to

:49:17.:49:20.

school for three years. This scheme would have helped both my children.

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Joy says, I survived domestic abuse as a child. Mostly when I went to

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school I was in deep shock or traumatised and I could not take in

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what the teacher was saying. They thought I had learning difficulties.

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Nobody helped, especially not our school, so I am relieved somebody is

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now deciding to help, and Liz is thoughtful and caring to stop this.

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Denise says, thank you to Lis and her husband Tom at this is hugely

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positive, I remember abuse happening, and my son has

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psychological effect which have broken my heart. Bring this into the

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open. Sarah says, I wanted to say how wonderful Operation Encompass

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sounds, I watched my mother and sisters be beaten when I was a

:50:11.:50:15.

child. Michael says, it is a shame nothing like this was available some

:50:16.:50:20.

time ago, my mother was a victim of domestic abuse, something which

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filtered to my brother and me. We removed to foster carers and build

:50:24.:50:29.

our lives, but we are both affected and events that happened those years

:50:30.:50:33.

ago. Help is hard to come by. It is good for kids now that there is

:50:34.:50:38.

something in help -- in place, but for children who suffered years ago,

:50:39.:50:42.

we continue to suffer. Thank you for those.

:50:43.:50:46.

FA chairman Greg Dyke says he's very concerned about the levels of French

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security and the safety of England fans ahead of the team's

:50:50.:50:52.

English and Russian supporters, who clashed violently

:50:53.:50:55.

at the weekend in Marseille, are expected to gather

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Uefa is investigating after Russia supporters went

:50:59.:51:06.

for England fans in the stadium after their draw on Saturday.

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Some Russian supporters are moving out of their area towards the

:51:18.:51:20.

England fans of. The trouble began in the stadium

:51:21.:51:21.

after flares were let off by Russian Some then climbed across pretty

:51:22.:51:25.

flimsy barriers designed A number of Russia supporters kicked

:51:26.:51:28.

and punched fleeing England fans, who were forced to clamber over

:51:29.:51:32.

fencing to escape. Uefa has threatened to ban both

:51:33.:51:36.

teams if there is further violence. We can speak to Dr Joel Rookwood,

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an expert in football hooliganism And in Compiegne in France

:51:43.:51:45.

is Mark Knapper and Tony Robinson, Tell us if you are worried. We would

:51:46.:52:07.

not want it to be repeated. Marseille was very hairy. Lots of

:52:08.:52:14.

people attacked, and not just in the ground, but outside. That is very

:52:15.:52:20.

worrying. There is no apparent police presence. I could not see one

:52:21.:52:26.

policeman in the ground, but when you came outside there were

:52:27.:52:30.

minibuses of police. Both of my kids were attacked, they are in their

:52:31.:52:40.

20s. The police came up and just discharged tear gas at everybody.

:52:41.:52:47.

Their response to any problem is so limited, and there is no

:52:48.:52:56.

differentiation between it. They will have seen the people attacking

:52:57.:52:59.

outside the ground with attackers -- balaclavas on. It is more likely

:53:00.:53:06.

they are doing the attacking. It has been scary.

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In terms of Thursday's game, you are near Lens, where will you be between

:53:14.:53:23.

now and then, because you want to avoid Russian supporters, who are

:53:24.:53:27.

playing tomorrow night? We have made a decision that on Thursday we will

:53:28.:53:31.

drive straight to the game, Park at the ground and then we will drive

:53:32.:53:37.

straight out afterwards. Ideally, we would like to mingle with the

:53:38.:53:42.

supporters, like we did in South Africa and other tournaments, but we

:53:43.:53:47.

are not able to do it, it is too volatile. We are stopping about 40,

:53:48.:53:58.

50 kilometres south of Lens, we are out of the way a bit at the moment.

:53:59.:54:06.

What has to change in terms of the safety of fans before Russia's game

:54:07.:54:11.

on Wednesday and England against Wales on Thursday? There has to be

:54:12.:54:18.

acknowledgement it is a significant problem. I don't think the

:54:19.:54:20.

authorities have clamped down on this effectively, they have not

:54:21.:54:26.

understood the scale of the problem. They have not responded effectively

:54:27.:54:32.

to the violence we have seen. If we don't see a change in police tactics

:54:33.:54:37.

in terms of how they treat fans and segregate them, we will see further

:54:38.:54:42.

problems in the north of France. Let's hope that does not happen. We

:54:43.:54:48.

wish you all the best, take care. It has been reported that the man

:54:49.:55:02.

who shot down 49 people in the gay nightclub in Orlando had been there

:55:03.:55:06.

regularly. Clubbers said they had seen him their drinking heavily and

:55:07.:55:08.

they said he used gay dating apps. We can talk now to Stephen McKinney,

:55:09.:55:13.

who knew one of the victims of the Orlando shooting,

:55:14.:55:16.

Louie Vielma. I wonder if you could tell us about

:55:17.:55:22.

your friend. Wonderful, 22, he worked at capital

:55:23.:55:44.

letter universal, Orlando. He was in my youth group as a youth leader, he

:55:45.:55:48.

started at the inception with Michelle Murphy as one of the youth

:55:49.:55:58.

team. Upon graduation, he became one of the youth leaders with my wife

:55:59.:56:03.

and myself. I cannot hear you. I wonder if we

:56:04.:56:18.

can persist, though. He knew one of the victims of the Orlando shooting.

:56:19.:56:23.

Try a game, keep talking and we will see if we can hear you.

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OK. I am really sorry, that is our fault, the line is not good enough.

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It is a shame, because we want to hear about him. I could tell you a

:56:53.:57:00.

bit about him, one of the victims of the shooting on Saturday night. He

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worked on the Harry Potter ride at universal Judeo 's. He is 22, he was

:57:05.:57:15.

a ride attendant. Only 22, goodness. One of the 49 killed at the

:57:16.:57:18.

nightclub when the gunmen opened fire inside. You might know that JK

:57:19.:57:26.

Rowling has tweeted about him, he worked on the Harry Potter ride, he

:57:27.:57:36.

was 22, I cannot stop crying. Let's return to the main story, the

:57:37.:57:39.

sentencing of Oscar Pistorius, he was found guilty of murdering his

:57:40.:57:43.

girlfriend and her father has been giving moving and emotional

:57:44.:57:49.

testimony this morning. Oscar has to pay for what he did. He

:57:50.:57:54.

has to pay for it. How should he pay for it? That is up

:57:55.:58:13.

to the court. It is up to the court, and we will go by the decision the

:58:14.:58:18.

court hands down. But he has to pay for his crime.

:58:19.:58:24.

We will keep you up-to-date with that live from South Africa across

:58:25.:58:29.

the day on BBC News. Have a good day, back tomorrow at 9am.

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