23/06/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

Polls are open across Britain as voting begins in the historic

referendum on whether to leave or remain inside the EU.

In an exclusive interview with this programme, a 21-year-old woman

from Wolverhampton talks about being the first person

in the UK to get a court order against her father

protecting her from female genital mutilation and a forced marriage.

She asked for her voice to be disguised to protect her identity.

It got to the point where I stopped eating, stopped hoping about my

future. There was not any hope about my future. I fainted a few times.

And US Democrats are staging a sit-in protest in Washington

to demand tighter gun controls after the mass shootings in Orlando.

You can help us win this battle, America. Hold your respect -- hold

job representative up, hold these Republicans up and tell them we want

a vote! Good morning from Paris,

where we're recovering from a dramatic night

at the European Championship. A late winner against Italy

put Northern Ireland It also means Wales will now play

Northern Ireland on Saturday. Hello, welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11am this morning. Later we'll be finding out why

thousands of prisoners in the UK who've served their sentences have

not been released. Plus it's been a night of torrential

downpours for many of you. Carol will be here with a full

weather report before 10am, but do let us know if it's flooded

where you live this morning. If you are getting in touch, do use

the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Our top story today -

polls are open in the historic referendum on whether the UK should

remain a member of the The Electoral Commission suggests

that a record number of voters are eligible to take part, with more

than 46 million people registered. Let's speak to Carole

Walker at Westminster. The day is finally here!

Jesko -- yes, after all of the campaigning, the polling stations

opened at 7am and the decision they have to make, the question on the

ballot paper, should the United Kingdom remain a member of the

European Union or leave? In the last hour or so the Prime Minister, David

Cameron, has been out with his wife, Samantha, to cast his vote. Just a

short distance from here, casting his vote this morning, but of course

after all of the rows and arguments today every single vote has an equal

weight and every single vote counts. The polling station are now open

until 10pm this evening. Once they close, the ballot papers will be

taken to around 382 local counting centres, where the tallies will be

counted up and each of those centres will make their announcements

through the night. We should get the first result at around midnight but

it will be around 7am, perhaps a little earlier, maybe even later,

before we know the final result, which will be announced at

Manchester town Hall by the chair of the electoral commission. So this is

the first time that British voters have had their chance to have a say

on Britain's place in Europe, only the third referendum we have had, so

it is a big day, a big decision and a lot of excitement ahead.

And we'll have a special programme with live coverage

as the results come in for this historic referendum.

From 9.55pm this evening on BBC News, David Dimbleby is your guide

as the votes are counted around the country.

He'll be joined by Emily Maitlis and Jeremy Vine - they'll be

analysing the results as they come in through the night.

We will be live in Manchester tomorrow morning as the vote is

announced from Manchester town Hall. Rachel is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary The man accused of murdering the MP

Jo Cox is due back before 52-year-old Thomas Mair

will appear via video link Jo Cox was shot and stabbed

in the street in Birstall A group of politicians has been

staging a sit-in protest in the US It follows last week's shooting

at an Orlando nightclub Our Washington correspondent

Laura Bicker reports. A pledge to stop everyone

in Congress going on holiday until there is a vote on stricter

gun control measures. And so they sat,

and there they stayed. The House cameras were turned off,

but they kept broadcasting The debate on gun control comes

as those in Orlando, Florida, 49 lives lost in the deadliest mass

shooting in recent US history. But there have been calls

for tighter gun controls The problem is the powerful gun

lobby, the National Rifle Association, who fund many

politicians' campaigns. They say any changes would be

unconstitutional and take away the right of law-abiding Americans

to carry a firearm. You can help us win

this battle, America! Years of frustration, culminating

in unprecedented political drama. 100 bills have come before

Congress on gun reforms in the last five years -

all of them unsuccessful. The House Speaker Paul Ryan tried

to call the House back in session and ordered a vote

on normal business. It wasn't easy, and

the protest continued. One more vote on gun control

might not make a difference, but this action just might resonate

with some voters in an already The first person in the UK

to get a court order protecting her from female genital

mutilation and from a forced marriage has told this programme

about how she had once lost all hope In her first national TV interview

the 21-year-old from Wolverhampton, who we are calling Zara,

has also told Victoria about the terror of trying to seek

help. She asked for her voice to be

disguised to protect her identity. It got to a point where I felt like

circumcision is normal, you have to go through it will stop I went to my

GP, I spoke to her, she was a Muslim GP herself and she told me it is not

something you should be doing and it is illegal. And then I phoned NSPCC.

Self-harm among inmates serving indefinite sentences in England

and Wales has risen by 50% in the last four years, according

Researchers say prisoners who are serving sentences

without a release date are more likely to be in despair.

No such sentences have been handed down since they were scrapped

in 2012, but thousands are still being served.

The Ministry of Justice says it is urgently

There's to be an independent inquiry into a claim that live fox cubs

were taken into the kennels of a hunt to train its

Covert footage passed to the BBC shows the foxes being carried

into the South Herefordshire Hunt kennels and their dead bodies

Here's more from our home affairs correspondent Tom Symonds.

In a rear yard at the headquarters of the South Herefordshire hunt,

this man was secretly filmed taking young foxes to and from a cage.

Anti-hunting investigators went in at night -

Then hidden cameras twice captured this.

Inside the shed is the hunt's pack of hounds, the soundtrack

suggests something has attracted their attention.

Within a few minutes, the man appears with a dead fox.

Before they could be disposed of, the investigators removed two bodies

and gave them to the police, along with the footage.

Their spokeswoman, who asked not to be named to protect her safety,

claims to have uncovered the training of hounds

They don't naturally hunt foxes, they have to be taught

to recognise foxes as prey, and not only to hunt them

We believe this evidence shows that fox cubs were thrown

or given to the hounds, because the bodies came out.

Police have arrested three people on suspicion of animal cruelty.

A hunt staff member has been suspended.

Intentional fox-hunting with a pack of hounds was banned in 2005

The Countryside Alliance said, if this is as it seems,

it had nothing to do with legal hunting.

Three-quarters of gay and transgender people

still feel the need to lie about their sexuality

or the gender they identify with, according to research commissioned

The charity, which hosts a major festival in the capital this

weekend, found that nearly half of gay men and a third of lesbians

think twice before holding hands with their partner in public,

and that half of those in same-sex relationships would not

Researchers say fears over the Zika virus have led to a big increase

in the number of women wanting abortions in Latin America.

Estimates suggest that online requests for abortion pills doubled

in Brazil and Ecuador, after the first warnings

Health authorities in many countries have advised women not to get

pregnant due to the possible risk of babies being born

Tesco has reported a second successive quarter of underlying

sales growth in the UK, the first time it's achieved that

Sales at the supermarket grew by 0.3% in the 13 weeks

Chief executive Dave Lewis said he was encouraged by the progress

Conservationists have set out to save one of the world's most

The wild mountain chicken frogs have been almost wiped out

Now team at Chester Zoo has converted a shipping container

into a climate-controlled haven for the amphibians.

One of the world's most endangered and largest frogs.

The mountain chicken's unusual name comes from its size and the fact

that, in its native Caribbean, it is commonly eaten.

But this once-widespread creature has almost been wiped out

by a disease called chytrid, which is also linked

Now conservationists have screened and matched up the 12 breeding pairs

of mountain chickens that remain in captivity.

I am actually inside a shipping container in Chester Zoo,

and this is a quarantine area, which is why I have to wear these

This has been converted into mountain chicken frog paradise.

It has been divided into four private spaces for four

The hope is that these biologically matched frogs will produce a new

We're trying to put the best conditions for breeding

here and hopefully get them breeding and ship them back home.

A tiny tropical haven in the north of England could be

a new start for a species on the brink of extinction.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

In a moment, an exclusive interview with the first woman in the UK

to get a court order protecting her from female genital

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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Let's get some sport power. What a night, it was fantastic!

It was brilliant, this tournament came to life last night. It is a

rest day today, and we need a rest after the final round of group games

proved dramatic. The Republic of Ireland needed to beat Italy to take

their place in group B, which they did. Robbie Brady scored just five

minutes before the end of the game, while scenes of celebration from the

island bench, the island fans, and Robbie went and found his brother in

the crowd. They join England, Wales and Northern Ireland in the last 16.

Listen to what it means to everybody involved, me included. I grew up

waiting to play at this stage, dreaming about it since I was a

little kid. To do it in the end of my family is the best feeling in the

world. -- to do it in front of my family.

You saw the scenes of celebration among the Republic of violent fans

and players and the mood stayed jubilant. Striker Robbie Keane

posted this last night, the players thinking after the match. -- Singh

gained. The other game in group Esau Belgium

beat Sweden 1-4 rewrote, Belgium through, Sweden out. England on

course to face Portugal until, not far from here, the smallest country

in the competition secured their first victory. Iceland jumped into

second spot in group F thanks to a goal from their substitute. He slid

in at the far post to give Iceland at 2-1 win over Austria and send

them through. So, here is the last 16, Wales will

play another home nation, Northern Ireland, here in Paris on Saturday

afternoon. The Republic of Ireland rewarded with a match against the

hosts, France, on Sunday. The tie of the round sees Italy take on

defending champions Spain on Monday, followed by England's tie against

Iceland. And if Iceland win that match, I'm

not sure if Icelandic commentator will be able to cope. He, I think,

captured the mood perfectly, showing what the first win at the Euros

means to a country of just 330,000 people. COMMENTATOR: Care

COMMENTATOR SQUEALS. COMMENTATOR SQUEALS. That is the

best commentary in the world! Ever. Isn't it brilliant? Can you imagine

if Iceland beat England? Where would that commentator go in terms of

pitch and tone? What's he going to do next?

Brilliant, I love it. If we have any Icelandic viewers, maybe one of you,

I don't know, please can you tell us something about your country, I know

three things. The population, 323,000, the size of Wigan. 10,000

Icelandic supporters are in France. And several of your banks crashed or

defaulted in the financial crash of 2007-2008. Icelandic viewers, this

is ugly, send us facts about your country. -- this is a plea.

First this morning, in an exclusive interview with this programme -

we speak to the young woman from the West Midlands

who is the first person in the country to get a court order

protecting her from female genital mutilation and

Zara is 21, she's from Wolverhampton and her parents wanted her

to undergo FGM to secure an arranged marriage, to become,

In her first national TV interview, Zara describes losing all hope

for her future and exactly how terrifying it is to seek

help to keep her safe from the very people

she was meant to trust the most - her mum and dad.

Zara still lives at home with her parents, with the two

In this interview, alongside Zara - is Sergeant Sharon Smith

and PC Jody Edwards - the West Midlands Police Officers

who've been working with her since she first called the NSPCC

For her protection, Zara is not her real name,

you won't see her face and she asked for her voice to be disguised.

First of all, thank you very much for talking to us.

It was only a few months ago that you rang the NSPCC.

Because I was really feeling pressurised at

I'd been getting rejected so many times because I wasn't

circumcised, FGM, so they would class me,

I'm not respectable, I'm not Muslim, so there'd were many

I'm not respectable, I'm not Muslim, so there were many

then my dad told me that it's because you're not circumcised and

they are saying you're not Muslim, you're not respectable.

Some of them were being emotional and threatening

him, that he's not doing his job as a father, so it got

to the point where I felt like

And when you say circumcision, most people would say

And when you say you were being rejected, that was by men who might

But it was not happening because you hadn't

Yes, so I went to my GP because it came to a mindset where it's normal,

I have to go through it, so

I went to my GP, I spoke to her and she was a Muslim GP herself and she

told me, it's not something you should be doing and it's illegal

and your dad cannot ask you or say

things like the family keep on saying, that you're not a

So, she was explaining the long-term, so I just

clicked on with what my mum's going through,

Because your mum has undergone female genital mutilation.

Urine infections, mental health and skin rashes.

So it has damaged her physically and mentally you would

Mentally, she wasn't really stable enough.

She gets really aggressive sometimes,

I would say not in a normal mental state.

I would believe so because my GP was explaining about

mental side-effects, short-term and long-term.

And then she gave me the

NSPCC number and said if things escalate at home, you need to phone

Then, the other day, the conversation the same, people

are not willing to get married to you and people are rejecting you,

they are saying you are not my child because you're not willing to

undergo and then I phoned NSPCC and I told them,

I just wanted to know, what are my rights?

They took a few informations and they said they would pass it

As soon as they said police, I just flipped out.

I was crying, police was the last word I

wanted to hear, because that's how we are grown up.

Being involved with police is something not normal.

That's how they teach us within an Asian background.

It's not someone who you should associate

And she was asking for basic information, name, and she wanted me

to come to the police station or she said she'd

come to the college but I

I went there and I just clicked on when I saw her.

I felt protected, the way she was talking to me.

She didn't make me feel like I was talking some

alien language to her with my culture.

She understood really well and I was surprised because there

have been some times when I wouldn't understand my culture.

But she understood and they never made me

feel like I was in a police station or they are police officers.

Before I bring PC Jodie Edwards in, I just want to ask you,

Zara, how frightened you

It got to a point where I stopped eating, stopped hopes

There weren't any hopes at all about my future.

And that's because you thought you were going to have

to undergo female genital mutilation in order to get married?

The NSPCC took that call from Zara and contacted you, PC Edwards.

We can hear Zara describe how afraid she was about the police

How do you approach a situation like that?

Just constant reassurance, constantly.

It wasn't just from the first day, it was

I would make a phone call to her to see how

things were going, also to update her.

She just constantly needed to be reassured.

Reassured that you were going to protect her or that you

wouldn't pursue legally the parents or what kind of reassurance?

She thought that she would have to stand

But when I explained that I could do it,

take all the information from her, and I could apply to the courts on

And I think once that was explained and

constantly reassuring, I think that was what did

It was just all about the reassuring.

We can prevent it from happening will stop and talking her

through the orders as well and the process.

And these orders are female genital mutilation protection

orders and also forced marriage protection orders.

Tell us a little more about both of them and also

The process basically is we speak with the victim

first, we get their views, explain the full procedure and at any point

they can stop that progression if they don't want to go any further.

But we explain everything, we will then go to court, a civil court.

In this instance, we had to have a High Court judge.

Yes, it can be done as an urgent issue.

In this case, we got it in a week or two,

then those orders have to be served on those that are responsible.

In this case, it was Zara's father that

we served the orders on and we had to fully explain

it is illegal to force someone into marriage

and to force them to have

Once we'd done that and he understood the

process, Zara felt completely protected and they continue in their

family unit, as Zara's wishes, living together and go

So the protection orders are served on your

father in your family home, where you still live, and you are now

protected from undergoing female genital mutilation and being forced

By the law of this land despite still living with

From the very beginning, I didn't want him to be

criminalised, because, to be honest, he had

never laid a finger on me or

never shouted at me, so I know he loves me.

community and this culture, they pressurise people, parents.

So what in their mentality, what they're doing

is right, so from the very beginning I told her, I need someone to

explain to my dad that this isn't normal.

We don't have to live with this community thinking

The way they pressurise people is horrible, because I

A few of my uncles would say that he's not

doing a good job as a father or they would say we wouldn't come to your

final prayers, we wouldn't let you be buried in an Islamic

So those comments are harsh from a parent's point of

They are trying to do the best for their daughter.

My dad was trying the best for his

daughter and I could understand his point

of view and I wanted him to

What is the atmosphere like in your home?

But we had our mediation yesterday, so we are trying to move forward

and he just wanted some time to

come out from it because it's a big shock.

And the mediation to which

Zara refers is effectively you talking to him about what is legal

That's already taken place when the orders

But again, it is the culture, so it's very difficult for

myself to sit down in their family home and preach that to him.

So there are external agencies in place now and in fact,

Talking in the same room about what's happened.

It was very awkward in the beginning but

during that session, it progressed quite well, didn't it?

Despite the pressure you say he was feeling

from his community, do

you think he understands he can't force you into a marriage, he can't

Yes, because there are certain conditions

he has to set with, like he can't speak to his community again,

changed his number and email address.

There are some practical things that he can and cannot do now as well?

Yes, in the orders, he can't encourage or assist another to

remove Zara from the country or to assist anyone

It's also about him encouraging others.

I think that's a really important point to get

It also stops the victim being taken out of this country to

another country to have it done so there is full protection.

I told them, I felt like I have got a new life, I was born again.

What our audience can't see is that you've got a smile

on your face, which is remarkable to see.

And what our audience won't necessarily be

extraordinary bond of trust that I can feel in this room between you

I know, Sergeant Smith, you want to say to people,

they really should trust people like you.

We are specifically trained in safeguarding and I would

love to encourage anybody to come forward if they think they're going

there up and down the country, domestic violence units,

People might not see it as domestic violence

That is something we have to explain.

It is time consuming but I would encourage anyone to have that

faith to come forward and we will assist them

and I want to protect as

many people as I can, me and my team, in this country.

What do you think about what Zara has done?

She's had the guts to come forward and

She wants to help others for that protection and that's

I've got a lot of service in the job and it's made me feel really

It's just a nice feeling, that we've protected

I'm really grateful that you spoken to us about it.

Thank you all for coming on the programme.

Some comments on Twitter. One says, I admire Zara for her courageous

stand. This tweet, a brave young woman sharing her experiences and

how she has been protected. An e-mail, I wish her every look in the

world, she is revolutionary. But those of you asking what exactly is

female genital mutilation, it is a procedure where the female genitals

are deliberately cut, injured or changed where there is no medical

reason for that to be done to stop it is illegal in Britain. If you

want to share that interview, go to our programme page.

We look at fears that funding for HIV may be in trouble with the

threat of future cuts. US presidential hopeful meets

opposition from locals in Scotland We will speak to some people

awaiting his visit with anticipation.

Thank you for your facts on Iceland, I will read some in the next half an

hour. Here's Rachael in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. Polls have opened in the historic

referendum on whether the UK should remain a member

of the European Union or leave. The Prime Minister,

David Cameron, has cast his vote with his wife,

Samantha, in Westminster. It's only the third nationwide

referendum in UK history and comes after a four-month battle for votes

between the Leave Torrential downpours have caused

flooding and transport disruption in the London -- in London and

south-east England. The London Fire Brigade said it was inundated with a

date's was of course in 90 minutes and received hundreds of calls about

lightening strikes, flooded properties and rising water trapping

vehicles. The man accused of murdering the MP

Jo Cox is due back before 52-year-old Thomas Mair

will appear via video link Jo Cox was shot and stabbed

in the street in Birstall A group of politicians has been

staging a sit-in protest in the US They are refusing to budge

until they get a vote on the issue. It follows last week's shooting

at an Orlando nightclub The Republican speaker of the House

has dismissed the protest The first person in the UK

to get a court order protecting her from female genital

mutilation and from a forced marriage has told this programme

about how she had once lost all hope In her first national TV interview

the 21-year-old from Wolverhampton, who we are calling Zara,

has also told Victoria about the terror of trying to seek

help. You can hear some of that interview

again after 10am on this programme. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10am. Let's get some sport now with Sally

in Paris. We have an Icelandic viewer here! Good morning to him. He

has sent me a fact about Iceland, the gift mountain in

Iceland -- the biggest mountain in Iceland is Eyjafjallajokull.

Did you know 10% of the population of Iceland is here in France?

Yes, people have been going on about that since the start of the Euros!

The Republic of Ireland have joined England, Wales and Northern Ireland

in the last 16, as they beat Italy 1-4 era prompting celebrations among

the fans and players alike. His family were in the crowd. They now

face France on Sunday. The smallest country in the competition, Iceland,

are also through, they finished second in their group and now face

England on Monday. England's women cricketers sealed an emphatic

one-day series win over Pakistan at Worcester. They eased to victory to

take an unassailable 2-0 series lead. And the weightlifting teams of

Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus could be banned from the Rio Olympics for

anti-doping violations. Samples from 2008 and 2000 Olympics were

retested. And, in case you missed it, have you

heard 10% of the population of Iceland is here in France?!

I certainly have! Thank you very much, Sally. Some

more facts on Iceland... The Icelandic language remains unchanged

from patient -- ancient laws which means text from thousands of years

ago is still easily read today. As Presidential hopeful Donald Trump

prepares to fly to Scotland to officially open his Turnberry

golf resort following a ?200 million facelift tomorrow, tensions

amongst locals and those The controversial billionaire

is a divisive figure locally. Some say his investment

is good for business. It's not the first time Donald Trump

has invested in Scotland - he built the International Golf

Links Resort on a beach in Aberdeenshire five years ago

amidst angry local protests. A billionaire businessman who prides

himself on being an American success He's not entirely self-made,

however - he had a very generous It has not been easy

for me, and I started My father gave me a small loan

of $1 million, I came to Manhattan, and I had to pay him

back, with interest. He's now worth over $4

billion, making him one of He's almost certainly

going to be the He is determined to win

because he absolutely Let's talk to the director

of the film You've Been Trumped, Christina Auld is in Turnberry,

where she runs a Bed Breakfast opposite

the newly-refurbished resort. Also with us, Jonathan Shafi from

the group Scotland Against Trump, which has organised one

of the protests tomorrow. And David Milne, who lives 400

metres from the International Golf Resort in Aberdeenshire,

which is also owned by Donald Trump. And today, why have so many people

near the International Golf Resort been opposed to the building of its?

Donald Trump promised $1.5 billion of investment, 6000 jobs, a 450

bedroom hotel, and here we are in 2016, he has not got a golf resort,

he has built one golf course, a clubhouse, the hotel has never been

built, but most importantly the unique site of special scientific

interest which was essentially destroyed through the construction

of the golf course has been lost forever, it has been lost for

generations. All of the economic benefits were missed by Donald Trump

have never materialised. But in terms of the SSI, this site of

specialist scientific interest, he has been given permission to build

there by the local authority in the area? The Scottish Government called

in the emission or -- the initial plans saying it was in the interest

of the country because the Aberdeenshire Council had rejected

the proposals for the golf course because of the environmental impact.

It is important, what we see in Aberdeenshire is really a microcosm

of what is going on in the United States. Donald Trump saying he will

be the president, look at his track record in Scotland, 6000 jobs was

the promise, a few have been created, most of them low paid, so

what he says and what he does are two very different things and it is

important we remember that. Christine, you are looking forward

to Donald Trump arriving tomorrow? We are, the whole village is looking

forward to him coming here. He has made an amazing changes to the

hotel. I am not a golfer but a lot of my friends are members and they

said the golf course is just fantastic. They are loving it. You

are speaking to us from your Ian B, has the investment benefited your

business? The hotel and golf course has been closed for many months so I

cannot tell you whether it is going to impact on my B and B business but

I would hope so because when there is a wedding at the hotel I always

get guests staying here. I advise them to go up to the hotel, have a

look around, have a cocktail, it is amazing, what he has done to the

hotel is absolutely fantastic. But what do you think about Anthony

pointing out that Mr Trump promised thousands of jobs and I think it is

a couple of hundred? I cannot comment, I take it he is talking

about Aberdeen, I don't know how many jobs he has created here, we

will probably find out in the near future. I just think he is good for

the area, he is going to bring in a lot of revenue, the shops will be

better, the restaurants roundabout, the historic sites will benefit from

it. I just think that he is going to make a great difference to the area.

It was very sad looking before he took over the hotel, the golf course

needed with Fergie Schmid, the clubhouse needed refurbishment, he

has done all of that -- needed refurbishment. David, you are about

400 metres from the new golf resort and I gather you have put a Mexican

flag in your garden in solidarity with the Mexicans that Mr Trump does

not want in America if he becomes president. Why are you not a fan?

I'm not a fan of anyone who threatens me and tries to use

compulsory purchase to take my home away. Add to that the huge

environmental destruction of the loss of this site of special

scientific interest, and the fact that he promises the earth and gives

you a handful of mud, an approach we have seen so often lately, and there

is no reason to be a fan of this man. He says one thing and does

another. He comes in and act like a bully and a dog. Is that not a

complaint to make to the Scottish Government who gave him permission?

We have done so but there are things the Scottish Government and local

council has no control over, which are the individual actions of Donald

Trump. You are seeing pictures of the Earth banks being put behind my

house, it was without planning permission. He was told to remove

them, it took him over six months to remove them, then he replaced them

with another bank to block the view and the light and in a direct

attempt to intimidate myself and my wife out of our home.

If the truth there is a fence around your home? -- is it true? There is

indeed, a cheap and nasty chestnut pale fence most of the way around

the house. That has been constructed by his people? Yes, they came onto

my land, argued about the title deeds, instituted by the government

in 1956 when the property was first struck off. Put up a fence where

they said the boundaries should be. Then send me a bill for the fence.

What's your problem with Mr Trump Jonathan? Where do you start? I'll

point out at the beginning is membership of the global Scot

business network has been rescinded by the Scottish Government as has

his honorary degree at the Robert Gordon University. Donald Trump,

getting into the politics of it, there are some things more important

than a nice golf course and hotel. He wants to ban Muslims from

entering the states, he thinks climate change is a hoax developed

by China. Donald Trump is a thug, he's encouraged political bile is at

his rallies, it's well documented. We will organise a protest to

reflect the broad opinion of Scots that his values are incompatible

with ours. The demonstration on Friday will reflect that very well.

It's too late, the golf courses are he's coming tomorrow. The thing

about the Trump brand, it's damaging to the Scottish economy, you have to

remember his rhetoric, his policies, he's been promoting, the sort of

attitude he's been provoking in a very heated debate is actually

putting people off going to trump establishments. To be honest we

don't need Trump, don't need his investment, it's about standing in

solidarity with those millions of Americans. Equally shocked and app

or his rise in US politics. -- app or his rise.

If he gets the view of the vast majority of Scots and people right

across the world. In terms of Donald Trump's political views I have no

idea where you stand, essentially not enough to stand in the way of

you going to the opening of the resort, I know you've been invited

by his son and him. We have been invited and I'm not getting into the

political side of it, I don't know enough about American politics, I

just know what he's done for the hotel is just fantastic. I have a

feeling maybe if he hadn't bought the hotel it may well have closed

down and it would have been like the mausoleum sitting in the Hill,

ruined the village for all the people who live here. What do you

say to that Anthony? I just think, first of all, Mr Trump has said he's

invested ?200 million at Turnberry, his numbers, nobody has verified

that, exactly what happened in Aberdeenshire. He claimed he would

invest all this money, it didn't materialise. It's down to the

dignity of residents like David, I call Forbes, Molly Forbes, Susan

Munro, who stood firm and stood up to the environment which has been so

tragically lost in Aberdeenshire, that unique scientific interest,

those tunes will never be the placed, because they've been

destroyed for golf course. -- there's sand dunes. We seem bullying

and harassment of the local residents which has left people

absolutely appalled at Mr Trump's behaviour. We need to remember that

as he comes to Scotland tomorrow. Thank you all of you for your time,

it'll be an interesting day tomorrow. With the result in the EU

referendum, of course. Coming up - Self-harm

rates rise in prisons - among thousands of prisoners

who have no idea when they'll be released and said to be

living in despair. There have been extraordinary scenes

in the US Congress after a sit in that lasted throughout the night

on the floor of the House About a hundred Democrats,

armed with blankets and biscuits are demanding a vote

on gun control legislation. It comes after the recent shooting

at a gay nightclub in Florida. The protest was led by

the Democratic Congressman and civil For months, even for years, I've

wondered what would bring this body to take action rest, what will

finally make Congress do what is right, what is just, for the people

of this country have been demanding, and what is long overdue. We have

lost hundreds and thousands of innocent people to gun violence. And

what has this body done? Mr Speaker, nothing. Not one thing. We have

turned a deaf ear. We have turned deaf ears to the blood of the

innocent, and the concern of our nation. We are blind to a crisis. Mr

Speaker, where is the heart of this body? Where is our soul? Those who

pursue common sense improvement are beaten down, reason is criticised,

obstruction is praised. Newtown, Charleston, Orlando, what is the

tipping point? Are we blind? We're calling on the leadership of the

house to bring gun control legislation to the house floor. Give

us a vote, let us vote, we came here to do our job. John Lewis committee

was passionate, wasn't he? The Republican Speaker Paul Ryan

tried to regain control but was met with chants of 'no bill,

no break' You can help us win this battle,

America. All these Republicans... Tell them we want to vote. America,

you can win this battle tonight for us.

The Republicans switched off the House TV cameras

but Democrats continued to feed live pictures via social media.

Extraordinary scenes. Still to come, we'll look at fears that funding for

HIV and AIDS may be in trouble with cuts.

Downpours across south east England have led

A wild and woolly night, especially in London and around the south-east.

And the like 1000 lightning strikes. Almost half the monthly average

rainfall total for June in just one hour overnight. It gives you a sense

what it was like. The London Fire Brigade took 300 calls between

1:30am and 3am, the amount they get in a normal day. They were inundated

with the number of calls of people complaining about lightning strikes

to property, worried about flooding in their homes, cars trapped. Quite

an experience. This morning the clean-up continues. Reports of the

London Fire Brigade taking people out of their houses by boat in

Romford in Essex, east of London. And of course many other people

reporting clubs and cars in flooded areas. It is affected schools and

people's commute. Hundreds of thousands will have had their

journey to work delayed. Half the London Underground lines affected.

Major trunk roads closed, standing water on motorways, which has led to

slow journeys. And people getting out of London today, rail services

to Stansted and Gatwick both affected, and other rail services

reporting cancellations and delays. In terms of trains, do they have any

idea when trains will be back to normal? Problem is, as much as

anything, major termini have been flooded, particularly around

Liverpool Street, a big station for people arriving and departing from

London. Rob Evans have affected sibling, leading to delays in all

areas as trains can't get to the places they are supposed to continue

onward services. It's the knock-on effect. The rain has stopped for now

but we expect more torrential rain this afternoon.

We'll get you over the forecast in the second. Some comments from you,

thank you very much for them. Regarding the interview with is our

role be brought to you earlier. The 21-year-old from Wolverhampton, the

first person in the UK to get caught orders protecting her from her own

father when it comes to female gentle mutilation and forced

marriage. A tweet says, sad and horrific this still continues, even

worse the poor girl is here in the UK. This tweet from Mahmood, Zara is

courageous committee in her story is inspiring, all I can say is, I hope

it helps others in similar circumstances. Why are there not

posters in the doctors surgeries warning of the dangers of FGM? The

body says great piece on FGM and forced marriage, I hope it helps

other women and girls prevent this happening to them. One more, from

someone on Twitter, Zara is so brave to speak out about FGM and forced

marriage, well done to her. Richard was telling us about

flooding and travel problems across the south-east. Carol, how is it

looking for the rest of the day? Slight improvement for a time before

more thunderstorms, and we're not all seeing them, it's the south-east

and East Anglia affected. You can see from these weather Watchers

pictures we've had flooding in Greater London, the cumulonimbus

producing thunderstorms. Some of those earlier taken in Greater

London. This is what happened, thunderstorms came across the

channel islands, into the south-east of England and East Anglia.

Overnight we reckon we're just under 1000 lightning strikes. They

averaged at about 1000 an hour. In all those areas. In the hour between

eight and nine is diminished to 54 in the hour, now almost gone as the

storm continues to move away. In St James's Park London we have 40

millimetres of rain, what we'd expect for the whole month of June.

Going through the morning it continues to push into the North

Sea, showers behind, but then as humidity and temperatures rise, once

again, we see to understand is developing, coming across the

channel islands and back into the south-eastern quadrant of England.

Again, away from that, looking at sunshine and showers. Not a bad day

for Scotland, blue skies around, a few showers. At worst, bright

spells. Northern Ireland also have sunshine and showers with some of

the showers in the afternoon heavy and Dundry. Northern England, Wales

and the south-west, feeling pleasant in sunshine. Highs of 19 and 20.

Getting back into the Channel Islands and south-east, into muddy

conditions, high humidity and further downpours. More of the same

in this evening's rush-hour. There is a risk of further flooding. The

BBC local radio station will keep you right up to date with what is

happening where you are. Through the evening you can see how they

continue to rumble away. Eventually clearing into the North Sea. Behind

them, dry conditions and clear skies, La Serra showers across

northern and western areas. Not going to be cold, most of us will

stay in double figures. What a difference across the south-east

tomorrow, dry, sunshine. You will be very unlucky if you catch a shower.

Across Scotland and Northern Ireland, showers from the word go,

sunshine in between. In the afternoon, some of those could be

heavy and Dundry. For western and central parts of England and Wales,

sunshine and showers. Some of those heavy. You could catch one at

Glastonbury tomorrow, but not expecting any rumbles of thunder. We

start to lose the human ditty in the south-east, 22 in sunshine. It won't

feel too bad. Into the weekend the wind changes direction, we import

weather from the Orlando, a fresh direction from us. The first front

brings showers, the second brings rain. To put that on the charts,

during Saturday, we've got the showers. Some could prove to be

heavy here and there, but not as bad as this. Looks like we have a lot of

water coming our way. There will be sunshine in between. Temperatures

fresher, it won't feel cold, but fresher than it has, temperatures of

12-20dC. Heading into Sunday, a largely dry note, some showers in

the East, the second weather front comes in, introducing rain. It'll

progress east, not clearing until sometime on Monday. Feeling pleasant

in the sunshine with highs of 22. Just to mention, pollen levels

across the UK are high or very high except in northern Scotland where

they are moderate. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme The Prime Minister casts his vote

as polls are open across Britain for the historic referendum

on whether to leave In an interview exclusive,

a 21-year-old woman from Wolverhampton speaks

out as the first person in the UK to get court orders

against her own father, protecting her from female genital

mutilation and a forced marriage. Her voice is disguised

to protect her identity. It got to the point where I stopped

eating, stopped hoping about my future. There wasn't any hope about

my future. I think it quite a few times.

To see the full interview visit our programme page -

Self-harm rates are on the rise in prisons -

as thousands of inmates face living in despair with no idea

And torrential downpours are causing flooding and transport description

across the south-east. It is a rest day at the Euros and we

needed after last night, it was so dramatic, the Republic of Ireland

beat Italy to make it into the last 16.

Here's Rachael in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Polls have opened in the historic referendum on whether the UK

should remain a member of the European Union or leave.

The Prime Minister, David Cameron, has cast his vote with his wife,

It's only the third nationwide referendum in UK history and comes

after a four-month battle for votes between the Leave

Torrential downpours have caused widespread flooding and transport

disruption in London and South East England.

Red "immediate action" flood warnings have been issued

The London Fire Brigade said it was inundated with a day's worth

It received hundreds of calls about lightening strikes,

flooded properties and rising water trapping vehicles.

The man accused of murdering the MP Jo Cox is due back before

52-year-old Thomas Mair will appear via video link from Belmarsh prison.

Jo Cox was shot and stabbed in the street in Birstall

The UK population grew by half-a-million last year.

Latest estimates from the Office for National Statistics show

there were 65.1 million people living in Britain in June 2015.

The increase was driven by net migration and

A group of politicians has been staging a sit-in protest in the US

They are refusing to budge until they get a vote on the issue.

It follows last week's shooting at an Orlando nightclub

The Republican speaker of the House has dismissed the protest

The first person in the UK to get court orders protecting her

from female genital mutilation and from a forced marriage

has told this programme about how she had once lost all hope

In an exclusive interview, the 21-year-old from Wolverhampton,

who we are calling Zara, has also told Victoria about

You can hear some of her story again before 11am.

Oscar Pistorius has said Reeva Steenkamp would not want him

The former Paralympian will be sentenced on July 6th

for shooting Miss Steenkamp dead in 2013.

His original conviction for manslaughter was upgraded

In his first television interview since the shooting,

I don't want to go back to jail. I don't want to have to waste my life

sitting there. If I was afforded the opportunity of redemption I would

like to help the less fortunate, like they have in my past. I would

like to believe that if Reeva could look down on me, that she would want

me to live that life. The thoughts of Oscar Pistorius.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

Thank you for your facts about Iceland, I appreciate them. I'm not

sure if Sally does in Paris! I would not blame you if you are getting

sick of this! Did you know that the majority of Icelanders believe in

elves? I love them for it as well! I would

like to know if anyone at home is watching, what is the origin of the

celebration where the team go to the fans at the end and cupped their

hands over their heads? It reminds me of a scene from Game Of Thrones,

I am loving it. Maybe by the end of the bulletin someone will have told

us! Great idea!

This tournament really sprang to life last night with the final

round of group games which decided all the knockout

The Republic of Ireland needed to beat Italy to take

third place in Group E - which they did by a goal to nil.

They left it late though - Robbie Brady scored the winner

for them just five minutes before the end of the game.

Cue wild scenes of celebration from the Ireland bench, the fans.

From everyone in there who was supporting Ireland.

They now join England, Wales and Northern Ireland

Of course the other amazing story from last night was Iceland.

The smallest country in the tournament, and in their first

ever major tournament they've made it through to the last 16,

That's because Iceland finished in second spot in Group F

after a late goal from substitute Arnor Ingvi Traustason.

He slid in at the far post to give Iceland a 2-1 win over Austria

So here is the last 16 in full, that game between England

and Iceland takes place on Monday in Nice.

Ahead of that, Wales will play Northern Ireland,

at the Parc de Princes here in Paris on Saturday afternoon.

The Republic of Ireland are rewarded with a match against the hosts

The tie of the round sees Italy take on defending champions Spain

A busy weekend of football watching for everybody, I'm sure.

And in the end, Olly, the draw worked out fairly

Well... For the next round, at least! I think they will still rue

the fact that they are on that very, very difficult side of the draw,

that is the repercussion of finishing runner-up to the Welsh,

because if they get past Iceland then it is possibly the French next,

if the French beat Ireland, then Spain, Italy or Germany before they

even think about the final. They will not get too far ahead of

themselves. Let me get out of the way because the England players have

walked onto the pitch, the first open session since they got back

from Saint Etienne and the draw against Sabatier, all 23 a here.

They have had a couple of nice days off, all things for some of the

players, time with their wives and families, a bit of shopping. But a

fair few of them will have watched those matches last night and there

was relief, because for a few minutes they thought they would be

facing Portugal, but it was relief when they found out they are going

to be facing Iceland instead. It should be to rip the atmosphere, a

fantastic set of fans from Iceland and England, but Roy Hodgson is just

over to my left here and he seems very happy and in a very smiley

frame of mind this morning. Are we expecting to hear from Roy

Hodgson today? Not Roy Hodgson but later we will

hear from the captain, we believe. A lot of questions to him, he was one

of the players that was dropped against Slovakia, rested, however

you want to look at it. We will get his take on things and how the

players are now fully focused after a couple of days in limbo, not

knowing who they would be playing on Monday night. But now it is all

about Iceland, forget about the European beasts that might lie

beyond. Thank you very much indeed, we will

let the England team get back to that Pilates!

If Iceland win the big match against England on Monday, I'm not sure if

the Icelandic commentator will be able to cope. I think he captures

perfectly the mood, showing what the first win in the European

Championship means to a country of just 330,000 people.

COMMENTATOR SQUEALS. CHEERING. I think he is happy! I think so, he

sounded reasonably pleased! I think he is really, really, really

excited, he just cannot believe what has happened.

Thank you, Sally. Thousands of prisoners in England

and Wales have no idea when they'll be released -

even though they've served It's called Imprisonment

for Public Protection and, although no new sentences

have been handed down since they were scrapped

in 2012, many prisoners The Prison Reform Trust says rising

self-harm rates show the "growing despair" amongst offenders on these

kind of sentences. To give us more detail

about all of this, let's talk now to our

reporter Zoe Conway. What exactly is an IPP?

It stands for imprisonment for public protection, brought in by

Labour in 2005 and was only ever meant to be applied to 900 serious

violent and six-year-old offenders but that is not what happened, it

was applied far more widely and we ended up with 6000 prisoners on

IPPs. Ken Clarke came in as Justice Secretary in 2012 and abolished

them, the two reasons. He decided it was impossible for prisoners to

prove, once they are inside, whether they will or will not reoffend, and

there was also a recognition by the Government that the resources were

simply not going to be there to help prisoners progress through the

system. How many people have them?

Despite the fact they were abolished, we have more than 4000

IPP prisoners on the inside, 3300 have already served the minimum,

many of them years over the minimum sentence. To give you an idea, 400

of them have served their minimum sentence five times over.

That is extraordinary. We have heard this morning about the rates of self

harm amongst IPP prisoners, tell us about that?

These are Ministry of Justice figures compiled by the Prison

Reform Trust and they showed 2500 rate of self harm -- 2500 incidents

of self harm amongst IPP prisoners, we don't know how often or how many

are self-harming but to give you a sense of this what is interesting is

the we are talking about 550 self harm incidents amongst IPP prisoners

per 1000 of the population, but look at the difference with someone on a

life sentence, it is more than double. Life sentences are sentences

without a release date, people who know there will be in prison for a

long time, and yet look at the doubling of the rate. What is

interesting about this is that it suggests IPP prisoners, in the words

of the Prison Reform Trust, are losing hope. You go into prison

thinking you will be there for one or two years but seven years later

you are still there, so the Prison Reform Trust says this is about not

being able to see light at the end of the tunnel.

If they have been scrapped and people are no longer given them, why

are the people who are still inside, sometimes after years, not being

released? The Prison Reform Trust would say it

is about resources. A prisoner can wait years to get a parole review,

maybe two years to get in front of one. The parole board could say, you

need to do a course, and they could wait months to do the course. They

might wait years to get on a course. But also the other problem with this

is his point about, can an offender ever really prove that they are

still a risk or not? How do you do that? Very difficult

to answer. Thank you. Let's talk now to Shaun Lloyd -

he was given an IPP sentence of two years and nine months for two street

robberies when he was 18, but spent And April Ward, sister of James Ward

- he was given a 10-month Now, nearly 10 years on, he is still

inside and has no release date. I just don't know what you do,

April, what can you do about that, how is your brother? He is not doing

so well at the minute because he is up for parole but has been knocked

back until September because they could not get the help reports in.

They have had two years to get the reports, tending his parole, so now

he will have to wait until September before he will then no doubt be

knocked back for another two years to do all of the different courses.

They taunt him with his freedom. When he first got the IPP, when

parole came up it was like, yes, you have done your courses, kept your

head down like they asked you do, then they come back and say, no, you

need another course, you need to do something else. I'm trying to see

the other side. The justification for that is that your brother might

be a risk to the public therefore has to go through these courses...

But he has been through them twice now and they are still saying he

needs to do another. The one he has been told he to do a game, we have

found that it is a substance course whereas James is suffering with

mental illness, he has ADHD and a personality disorder, but the TC

cause does not cater for that so we don't know why he has been put

forward for it because he does not have a problem with substances, he

is not a drug addict or an alcoholic. He has been put forward

for a Beacon course for people with personality disorders but that is a

new course, he has never been offered that in ten years. Now, ten

years down the line, he has been offered that cause but it is 18

months long, we know that in September when he gets knocked back,

he has waited nearly a year and a half for parole for them to now say,

you have got to do a course that you should have done from day one.

Good morning to you, Sean, you had a two-year and nine-month sentence for

two street robberies, you were 18 at the time, spent more than 18 years

in prison, can you describe what it's like not having a date for

release? Psychologically how to go through that, not know when you are

coming out, what you said about the courses, sometimes it's like they

could renew them for the sake of doing them, to justify you being in

so long, they give you courses you don't have to do. I've done some

courses twice over I shouldn't have had to do so many courses. That was

hell for me personally. You are not presumably arguing with the original

sentence you got, the minimum sentence, it's the fact it went on

and on and there is no light? I deserved a prison sentence for what

I did, two street robberies. Nine years of my life, what I've

witnessed in those nine years, will affect me for life. What you

witnessed inside. I've lost friends, countless friends have killed

themselves. The things that will never go from my mind. The parole

process, can you give the audience an insight into that, what happens?

Do you go in a room and there are three people behind a desk, I have

no idea. You go in the room, there are three judges, a promotion,

offender managers, other people with psychological problems or whatever.

Mike offender manager I only met twice, ten minutes each time, my

parole document I was fighting statistics that said I had an 87%

chance of being recalled within 12 months. I don't know how they could

come with that statistic so precise. I've been out two and a half years.

How did you get out? Basically on my seventh parole hearing... Yourself

in? I told the truth, I told them I had enough of prison, deserved to be

out, I'd done all the courses, I can't take no more prison. I just

talked how I felt was right to talk. News from the Prison Reform Trust

that rates of self harm amongst prisoners with these sentences is so

high. How old do you react to that? James self harm is quite a lot, he's

got no hope. It's hard as a family to keep giving James Hook after ten

years. From the start of the sentence it was like, you can do

this. -- keep giving James hope. James has done courses for ten years

and there are only so many times. When parole comes now, we'll say, if

you don't get this one permits the next one, just do your courses, like

you say, do as you are told. He's done that and still parole have

always got something like ridiculous courses. He shouldn't even be

taking. It so they have a reason to keep James in prison, by putting him

on any course, which is ridiculous. We've had two years for a

psychological report on James and they still can't get it in time,

still wake till September, it's not just a piece of paper, that is his

life, they are keeping James in prison because they've not got that

report. When I asked how he was coming you said he's not good, can

you give us more insight? He self harms and has threatened to take his

own life a few times. They don't see that, as a family, when James is

winning, you know, I know my brother, I know when he's not doing

well. -- when James is ringing. You have to say, I know you see no hope

and don't appreciate your life, but we do. Eventually you'll get what

Sean has got. It's inspirational to meet Sean today. He is married, he's

been out two years, he a child. Total transformation. This is what I

want to see James doing, he is desperate for Sean's life, and the

public protection, James hasn't been in the public for ten years. The

crime he committed was imprisoned. They gave him for... He came out, he

got rested, the court report him to the police for the crime he

completed in prison. He should only have done ten months, if James did

the same crime today he would get ten months and do five. The IBC

sentences have been scrapped. You heard the reporter talking about the

fact Michael Gove is looking into this, is there anyone else fighting

your corner? Doesn't feel like that, don't know if there is, doesn't feel

like there is. There are campaign groups fighting the corner but the

politicians I've heard, you know, different politicians saying the

same thing all the time. It's not enough. There is no results, that's

the thing you get people who want to help but nobody is getting the job

done, which means James and Sean should never have got that IPP in

the first place, the fact it's no longer sentence, why should people

like Sean and my brother the suffering in prison with these

sentences. James said he could understand if he had a sentence he

would have hoped, he could get his mental health in order like you did

commit you it was such mind-boggling, not knowing all the

time. Knowing that parole would say, more courses. We haven't got this

report in. It's another two years James will have to do. Come

September. What about the effect on you and the wider family? It's

massive, just like we touched upon with self harming, James tries to

hide it from us, tries to hide he's been self harming, we went to see

him a few weeks back and didn't want to see us, but he arranged it

anyway. He had to tell us he had self harmed the cars we could see

the bandages. Can I ask if you don't mind, how can he self harm, what's

he doing? The first one he sharpened a toothbrush, basically anything, he

said all different things, there are means and ways when you want to harm

yourself. I remember a phone call a few months back he was in tears, I

could tell he was mentally, basically, going to take his own

life. I made him promise, I said, you can't do that, you don't

appreciate your life, but we do, we will fight and get you to where Sean

is. Let me read comments from people listening to you speak. Richard

says, the prison system is broken, it feels like a waste of taxpayer

money. Sophie says, IPP prisoners losing hope, still in prison years

after a release date. It seems shocking two year before parole.

David says, it's shocking, false imprisonment, and must be costing

the taxpayer millions. That's the thing, to retry James or release him

under tag where they can keep an eye on him, and James has a real good

support network waiting to help him, to be able to get him in a good

place, like I say, there are lots of other ways of keeping the public

safe. This curfew, hostels he could go to, he doesn't have to be in

prison. Taxpayer money, keeping James in prison, when they could

release him to his family with the right help we could get him into a

good... Where you are today. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming on

the programme, a Paul Ward and Sean Long. -- April.

The Ministry of Justice released this statement: The number of IPP

prisoners has reduced over the past year.

However, we recognise there are problems in the system

which is why the Justice Secretary has asked the Parole Board

to urgently look at how we can improve the way these

There are over 100,000 people living with HIV in the UK,

Six years ago, the government abolished the ring-fencing

of funding for HIV support services which has lead to a gradual

The latest threat of cuts is to services in the London

Both have the highest instance of people with living

So how is the drop in cash affecting these services?

Let's talk now to Robert Fieldhouse, whose service ABplus in Birmingham

has lost its funding and will close in July.

Jacqui Stevenson who is an HIV researcher.

Thomas Lange, a Lambeth resident facing the prospect of his local

support services being decommissioned by the local council.

and Dr Michael Brady, the Medical Officer at HIV charity

Welcome all of you, thank you for coming on the programme, can I start

with Doctor Brady, if I may? One of your centres is facing closure in

Lambeth, why? A funding issue, almost a double whammy of funding

cuts, you mentioned the loss of the ring fence so there is no protection

of funding for HIV specific services and all local authorities are taking

it cuts in their budgets, funding from central government,

across-the-board. Both of those are impacting on this important HIV

service. When it closes, what effect will it have? One of the reasons we

are particularly concerned about Lambeth and Southwark, it's

important in all parts of the country, but Lambeth and Southwark

have the highest rates of HIV in the country, those services close, it'll

affect most. Our other concern is it may almost become a test case, so

people will say, if Lambeth and Southwark don't need those services,

I don't need them where I am. What do you provide at the centre? A

range of services, the important thing to note is they are provided

to the most vulnerable people, the people with the greatest number and

broadest range of risks and problems, whether those are mental

health problems, alcohol and drug problems, welfare problems, people

in poverty. Housing. Advice, support. The importance of advocacy.

Often people struggling under the weight of all these economic or

social problems don't have the strength or energy to make their way

to services to fill in the forms, find things that are there, that

specific focus and supporting people through this system are things you

don't get in a generic service. Thomas was nodding in agreement when

Michael was talking about helping the most vulnerable, told the

audience your own story. I was diagnosed at the age of 18 in 1985,

I was HIV-positive. I ran away from HIV, continued my career. In 2007 I

became severely ill. I became homeless, lost my home, and I slept

rough. Really suicidal. Didn't have any counselling. Until a support

worker from the Terrence Higgins trust helped me get back on track. I

was provided with counselling. Which was the first time I could ever

speak to anyone about my HIV, my health, my future. They helped me

get a home. Housing advice. Specialist lawyer. They helped me

claim benefits because I was previously told I wasn't untitled to

benefits. It was wrong information given by the council at the time.

Without the Terrence Higgins trust I wouldn't be alive. I slept rough in

the royal Parks for nearly a year. It was only because of the help of

Terrence Higgins trust that I am here now. The statement we've got

from authorities in Lambeth... Lambeth, Lewisham and Saddam are

carrying out proposals to change the way people with HIV get support. It

runs until the end of June. They are not acknowledging there is a

reduction in funding. The consultation they refer to is a

consultation on the reduction in funding. The Terrence Higgins trust

and a number of other people, Thomas has a petition online, contributing.

There is a cut in funding, if it goes ahead the specialist HIV

support services will go. The suggestion is that the work we and

other organisations are doing will be taken up by generic services. We

know they don't have the capacity or skill to do that specialist work.

Let me bring in Robert and Jacqui. Robert, you have been living with

HIV since you were 30 and the centre you use for support in Birmingham is

due to close in the next few weeks. Yes, the centre is ABplus in

Birmingham. You have to understand the situation is people live in,

abject poverty, we have a food bank where you can go twice a week, get a

few meal. -- free meal. This service costs ?2 per head per day for

someone to come in and access. That is dirt cheap. It's a voluntary

agency. That's the reason it's so cheap, we spend too much time

talking about the cost, not enough talking about the value. Very true.

But there is a cost and when the ring fencing was abolished six years

ago we had a Coalition Government saying we have to make the "Tough

choices". Do you accept those decisions had to be made or not?

What I don't accept is that anybody can do it cheaper, it's impossible,

for the services provided, the access to support workers, food

bank, peer support environment, where people can make friends with

other people with HIV, can learn about HIV, it's cheap as chips.

We have talked about London and Birmingham, Jacqui, you have done

research into the effect on different communities of HIV and the

problems are more pronounced outside of London? Yes, they can be. There

is an organisation focus on women and HIV, Sofia Forum, and they are a

minority of the population with HIV. Because the numbers are smaller

outside of London, particularly since the ring fence was removed,

services are vanishing. Is it easy because the numbers are smaller for

the funding to disappear? I think it is, and it is twofold, firstly

because the numbers are smaller and also because it is challenging for

people with HIV to speak up and protest, to call for services to be

protected, and because of that it is sometimes an easy target. On that

point, you have all made the point about, particularly you, Robin, that

it could not be done cheaper, but if I had to say, OK, you can keep the

money but some of the organisation, group, charity, support network in

your community will have the money taken from them instead, you would

not want to suggest anyone, would you? Or would you? You wouldn't, we

all realise the austerities and challenging financial environment,

but I think a black and white brutal cut to services is not the answer.

In south London, the Terrence Higgins Trust has tried to work with

local authorities to see what we could do to provide services

differently, maybe more online services to provide support that way

and maybe obscure from other services. I want to read this

statement from Birmingham City Council.

This is not a cut. Funding has been reallocated from one provider to

another so it is not the case that there will no longer be in

provision. It is interesting, the contract was

won by a drugs and alcohol agency who only go into people's homes and

do a one-to-one, which is inappropriate for the majority of

people with HIV. They will not give the agency is their home phone

numbers, they will not want that individual going to their homes.

People live with family who do not know they are HIV-positive, people

in shared houses will not want a word that... I do not accept that as

a model. But if that is the alternative, maybe people would

accept someone their home? If there is no centre and the only thing

offered is someone coming to your home... You are shaking your head? I

run a peer-to-peer support group and I am aware of a lot of people

attending because they have nowhere else to speak to, they cannot come

out to their families as HIV-positive. So someone coming to

the door is an absolute no? They will hide it from their families,

hide their medications and often it means they do not take their

medication and the only way you can stop HIV is if everybody with HIV is

on treatment will stop the Terrence Higgins Trust and these charities

will make sure they stop the stigma. Jacqui, you wanted to come in? I am

doing Ph.D. Research talking to older women with HIV... Do you know

how many old women there are with HIV in this country? It is a growing

number, people are living longer and ageing, an increasing number of

women diagnosed with HIV are already over 50, and the biggest issue for

those women is isolation and loneliness. Women are telling me

that in the absence of the support groups they used to attend which

have been lost because of the funding cuts, they feel trapped at

home, isolated. We know that loneliness has a big impact on

mental health so it is not saving any money in the long run because

you are building up the problems. As you would imagine I have a

statement from the Department of Health.

What do you say to that? How much did they use to spend on social

care? A statement of how much is spent it blows and brushes over the

amount that has been taken out of the system and I think the case we

are trying to make, there are other disease areas like HIV that don't

fit neatly into generic services and need to have a specialist approach,

otherwise they will fall through the net.

Thank you all very much for coming on the programme, nice to meet you.

Still to come: Another chance to hear the story of a woman saved

by UK court orders from genital mutilation and forced marriage.

And, has the world forgotten about the desperate civilians -

tens of thousands of them - forced to flee the Iraqi

city of Falluja amid the most intense fighting?

Polls have opened in the historic referendum on whether the UK

should remain a member of the European Union or leave.

The Prime Minister, David Cameron, has cast his vote with his wife,

It's only the third nationwide referendum in UK history and comes

after a four-month battle for votes between the Leave

Torrential downpours have caused widespread flooding and transport

disruption in London and South East England.

Red "immediate action" flood warnings have been issued

The London Fire Brigade said it was inundated with a day's worth

It received hundreds of calls about lightening strikes,

flooded properties and rising water trapping vehicles.

The man accused of murdering the MP Jo Cox is due back before

-- has appeared before the Old Bailey.

52-year-old Thomas Mair appeared via video link from Belmarsh prison.

Jo Cox was shot and stabbed in the street in Birstall

A provisional trial date has been set for the 14th of November.

A group of politicians has been staging a sit-in protest in the US

They are refusing to budge until they get a vote on the issue.

It follows last week's shooting at an Orlando nightclub

The Republican Speaker of the House has dismissed the protest

The UK population grew by half-a-million last year.

Latest estimates from the Office for National Statistics show

there were 65.1 million people living in Britain in June 2015.

The increase was driven by net migration and

Here is Sally in Paris. It is a rest day today and we needed after a busy

few days at the Euros. As England prepare to play

Iceland in the last 16 of the European Championship,

the club future of one of their players

appears to be sorted. Leicester City have announced

that they have reached an agreement with Jamie Vardy

to extend his contract He was the subject of a bid

from Arsenal. So Iceland next up for England -

their last-gasp 2-1 win over Austria last night meant they finished

second in their group, in their The Republic of Ireland can look

forward to a last 16 tie against France in Lyon on Sunday

after Robbie Brady's late goal gave them a fantastic

1-0 victory over Italy. That goal also meant

Northern Ireland will now face Wales England's women's cricketers sealed

an emphatic one-day series win over England eased to a 212-run

victory to take For a number of weeks,

we've been looking at the situation in the refugee camps around

Falluja in Iraq. Although the fighting rages on, the

story has fallen from the front pages.

The city was captured by so-called Islamic State in 2014,

but last month Iraqi forces and Shia militia moved to take it back.

Amidst the fighting, some of the population -

the lucky ones - fled their homes and made it to those refugee camps.

We've spent the last few weeks reporting on the aid

efforts in those camps, where food is scarce, sanitation

is often poor and disease is spreading.

Last week, Iraq's Prime Minister claimed his army had won

That claim now looks premature.

As the Iraqi forces have advanced on the city,

it's allowed thousands more residents who were trapped

in their homes there to flee to those camps,

which were already over-populated and under strain.

Let's speak to two people working with charities in the camps now.

Jeremy Courtney is from an American charity called

His team picks supplies up from Baghdad and delivers mainly

food to the camps around Falluja on a daily basis.

And Salah Noori from the Norwegian Refugee Council,

whose team provides food, water, basic hygiene care

and medical assistance to people in the camps.

Jeremy, thank you for talking to us, tell us about the conditions in the

camps right now. Thank you for having me. The conditions on the

ground in and around Falluja are nothing short of atrocious. People

cradling their disabled children, no attempts to shield them, no one

coming to save them. It is unconscionable what we are seeing

right now. The aid effort has been woefully underprepared and a lot

more coordinated efforts, funds and support are needed to care for these

people in their time of need right now. Salah, could you estimate how

many more people have arrived in the camps in recent days and weeks? We

are talking about more than 86,000 civilians fleeing the contested

areas inside Falluja. This is since the 21st of May, 2016, but in the

last six days we have not seen that many civilians since the vast

majority of the civilians inside Falluja fled the contested zones

since the 21st of May. Now the situation is getting worse inside

the displacement camps, and more support is urgently needed, in fact,

to avert a humanitarian crisis that could happen in the next days. We

have a majority of internally displaced children that our

children, women, elderly people and people with disabilities. They are

collapsing from exhaustion, with scant medical services and aid

available in the camps. The humanitarian agencies working here

in the displacement camps are overstretched and unable to deliver

at the moment food, drinking water and a six applies. We are running

out and we will be unable -- and basic supplies. We will be unable to

provide this aid for a long time. It sounds very desperate, despite your

best, best efforts. Jeremy, I wonder if you are able, it sounds from

Salah that so many people are going to the camps that Falluja might be

pretty empty of residence, is that fair or not? There are conflicting

reports right now, we have been as to go into Falluja city proper and

serve the civilians that remain. As you noted at the top, the

declaration of Falluja being free from Isis control is certainly

premature, we are hearing reports of maybe 25 to 50% of the city is free

and in the remaining parts there are still pockets where civilians

remain. We have heard up to maybe 10,000 civilians remain trapped

inside Falluja or somehow stranded inside Falluja. Isis have used these

people as human shields, killed them with snipers as they run, when they

try to feed they get maimed by landmines that prevent them from

getting out so we are doing everything we can to get into

Falluja city proper to provide those who remain with the food that they

need. OK, I think Skype has frozen...

Forcing people into their ranks. The screen froze but we got what you

were saying, which is really important. You are trying to get

into Phil Ujah but haven't managed to yet, is that right? -- Falluja.

We have not made it into Falluja city proper, we're working with the

powers that be to try and do that. One of our greatest concerns is that

there are reportedly 10,000 detainees, prisoners of war, coming

out of village, you've been captured on suspicion of being aligned with

Isis. We are doing everything we can and demanding those people be

treated fairly and justly. Islam teaches prisoners of war should eat

before the army so we're doing everything we can with Muslim

colleagues to make sure it's happening. From the Norwegian

refugee Council, you said, you can't cope, despite best efforts, without

more assistance. What good anybody watching right now, for example, do?

Let me provide an example. The refugee Council can provide up to

three litres of drinking water for displaced civilians. Another 30

days. At the moment we need another 10 million. For the next six months.

To provide food, water and hygiene kits to those currently in our

camps. I'm talking about just one area, one displacement camp.

Thousands of civilians... Are expected to get... Their situation

will be getting worse. If urgent actions have not been taken at the

moment. That's why the international community needs to step up the

emergency funding. We risk letting down thousands of women... I

understand. OK. Thank you very much, I really appreciate your time.

As you may have noticed, we are keeping in touch with various

charities working in those refugee camps every week. We'll continue to

do so. Earlier in the programme,

we spoke exclusively to the young woman who is the first person

in the country to get two court orders - one

from protecting her from a forced marriage, and one from female

genital mutilation. Zara is 21, she's from

Wolverhampton, and her parents wanted her to undergo FGM to secure

an arranged marriage. Female genital mutilation

is a procedure where the female genitals are deliberately cut,

injured or changed, but where there's no medical reason

for this to be done. Zara was terrified by

the prospect and sought help. First her GP - who told Zara that

FGM was illegal, and then the NSPCC It was West Midlands Police

who secured the two orders protecting Zara from her own

parents, despite the fact that she In this interview, alongside Zara -

is Sergeant Sharon Smith and PC Jody Edwards - the West

Midlands Police Officers who have been working

with her for the last few months. For her protection -

Zara is not her real name, you won't see her face and her words

are spoken for her... I'd been getting rejected so many

times because I wasn't circumcised, FGM, so

they would class me, I'm not respectable,

I'm not Muslim, so there'd were many then my dad told me that it's

because you're not circumcised and they are saying you're not Muslim,

you're not respectable. Some of them were being

emotional and threatening him, that he's not doing his job

as a father, so it got to the point where I felt

like I went to my GP, I spoke to her and

she was a Muslim GP herself and she told me, it's not something

you should be doing and it's illegal and your dad cannot ask

you or say things like the family keep

on saying, that you're not a They took a few informations

and they said they would pass it As soon as they said police,

I just flipped out. I was crying, police was the last

word I wanted to hear, because that's

how we are grown up. The NSPCC took that call from Zara

and contacted you, PC Edwards. We can hear Zara describe how afraid

she was about the police How do you approach

a situation like that? Just constant

reassurance, constantly. It wasn't just from

the first day, it was I would make a phone

call to her to see how things were going,