26/07/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme We'll have the latest from Japan,

where 19 people have been stabbed to death at care home for people

with mental disabilities in the city of Sagamihara.

Customer data for sale, this programme has found that O2

users information is being sold by criminals on the so called dark

net - the part of the internet which is hidden and often used

And we are talking to a former firefighter who was wrongly jailed

for sexually assaulting a teenage boy 40 years ago, he was freed

after his wife hired a private detective to prove

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text,

you will be charged at the standard network rate.

We particularly want to hear about Internet safety, we can put your

questions to an expert later. At least 19 people have been killed

and 20 injured, many seriously, in a knife attack at a care home

in Japan. It happened at a centre for people with learning

difficulties in the city of Sagamihara, 25

miles west of Tokyo. A 26-year-old man, who used to work

at the home, later turned These pictures show the massive

response from the emergency services at the centre for disabled people

where the attack happened. At 2:30am Japanese local time police

say they were called by a member of staff who is said to have told

them something horrible A man, armed with a knife,

had started to attack residents, killing and injuring dozens

of people at the home in the city of Sagamihara, about 40 kilometres

south-west of Tokyo. A member of this man's

family was a victim. TRANSLATION: I can't believe he has

done something so cruel. There had been eight staff on duty

at the centre, which houses 149 A 26-year-old man named in local

media as Satoshi Uematsu He is said to have driven

to a police station It's understood he is a former

employee of the care home. The chief cabinet secretary in Japan

said there was no evidence the attacker had any

links to the so-called Islamic State group and a police

investigation is underway. TRANSLATION: I sincerely pray

for peace for the souls of those killed and extend condolences

to the bereaved families Police are investigating the

incident to get the whole picture. The suspect is reported to have told

officers he wishes disabled Now the area around the centre

remains cordoned off, as police try to understand one

of the worst mass killings in Japan. These pictures show the massive

response from the emergency services Brett Bull, from the Tokyo Reporter.

This is unusual for Japan, to have 20 people killed or injured,

that is significant. Why did this happen? You touched upon how he had

gone to a member of Parliament, submitting a letter, desiring a

world where it was possible to euthanise people with disabilities,

because living in a home with a person who is disabled is very

difficult. What reaction has there been so great? I am in Tokyo right

now, I cannot sense a huge reaction. The reaction is on social media,

Twitter, Facebook will stop a lot of outrage on Japanese social media.

Thank you for updating us. day's news from Rebecca Jones in the

BBC newsroom. America's first lady Michelle Obama

has delivered a passionate endorsement of Hillary Clinton to be

the next president She was speaking on the opening

night of the Democratic Party's National Convention in Philadelphia

- where Mrs Clinton's former rival, Bernie Saanders, also told his

supporters to get behind her. The first day of the

Democratic Convention. I hereby call the 47th quadrennial

Democratic National Convention But even the gaveling

was a struggle, that's because she was only the stand-in,

called in a hurry to replace a woman The Chair of the Democratic National

Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, faced a mutiny over leaked e-mails

that showed the party had favoured She resigned before

the day was over. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders may

have started a movement even And we have got to elect

Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine! All day across Philadelphia his

supporters protested. In the evening they

were still booing. But for him they cheered,

so he tried again to get them onboard, giving

Hillary Clinton his most forceful Hillary Clinton will make

an outstanding president and I am Mrs Clinton was not on stage

tonight, but there were plenty of people who were ready to vouch

for her, her character Only one person who I believe

is truly qualified to be President of the United States

and that is our friend Hillary There may have been chaos

and booing during the day, but there was also a lot

of enthusiasm this evening The big question now is: will this

will be enough to get the Democratic Kim Ghattas, BBC News,

Philadelphia. The Bavarian government will discuss

measures to strengthen its police force after recent attacks have

raised questions over Germany's security.

On Sunday evening a Syrian man set off a bomb outside a music festival

in southern Germany, killing himself and wounding

twelve other people. It follows other attacks

across the country in which ten people have been killed and more

injured in separate gun, Let's speak to our correspondent

Richard Galpin who's Do we know what the Bavarian

government will announce? Not much beyond the fact they are thinking

about strengthening the police force, possibly giving them more

equipment will stop one of the key question is, how to secure areas,

keep the population safe. With the spate of attacks, four over the past

eight days, people are understandably shocked and scared.

Here, a small town, 40,000 people, they were never imagined they would

have a suicide bomber blowing themselves up at this wine bar. For

them, a key need to get reassurance from

the government, that security forces are on top of the problem. We have

heard from security forces, saying they have 400 leads on people they

believe are potential extremists, linked to Islamist groups.

across with the refugees in the past year, into Germany. Looking for a

lot of people. As for the bombing there, they're trying to find if

there are other accomplices. One person has been arrested, a friend

of the bomber. Questions whether this person may have felt to build

the bomb that was detonated in. The battle over the Labour

leadership enters the courts this morning - with a legal challenge

against the Labour Party brought by party donor

and former MP, Michael Foster. He is contesting the decision

by the party's national executive that Jeremy Corbyn should

automatically stand in the leadership contest -

without having to secure nominations The communications regulator, Ofcom,

says BT's Openreach broadband operation should become a "distinct

company" within the BT Group as part of reform proposals.

However, it falls short of recommending a sell-off

following criticisms of BT for poor customer service and a failure

to invest. There are calls for a reduction

in the number of prisoners given unspecified sentences,

who continue to be held in jail beyond their minimum term.

The new Chair of the Parole Board, has suggested changing the test

which determines when prisoners in England and Wales can be

safely let out. There are more then three-thousand

prisoners who have completed their minimum term but remain locked

up. It is now safe for pregnant women

and the elderly to to eat raw eggs, a food safety committee has

recommended. Up until now they were warned

against eating them because of the risk

of food poisoning. A report by a food safety committee

says there is a "very low" risk of salmonella from UK eggs

which have been produced under It's recommending that the Food

Standards Agency changes its advice. The first solar-powered

round the world flight The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two,

landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months It is powered by 17,000 solar cells,

and is Mehmedi is car. -- no heavier than a car

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text, you will be charged

We will be talking about Internet safety, if you have issues or

worries, get in touch. We start with Russia's involvement

in the Olympic games, seven Russian swimmers have been banned, the IOC

said International federations have to decide whether Russian athletes

can compete. Athletes have been arriving in Rio, unsure whether they

can compete in the games. Only archery, tennis, volleyball have

cleared Russian participants. The governing body of swimming said they

will retest samples taken from Russian swimmers at the 2015

championships, as more firms could follow. It was as close to perfect

as you could want for England's cricketers, they levelled the series

with Pakistan. Apart from a nasty injury to Ben Stokes, it was

flawless, winning by 330 runs, thanks to impressive batting from

Joe Root, and the captain, Alastair Cook. Ben is a pretty tough nut, he

said he felt something gophers we will know a lot more tomorrow

morning. The good thing is he's walking around up in the changing

room. He would be a fairly big doubt for Edgbaston, that is fairly

obvious. If it is a good scan result, you can start treating the

person. That would be a big risk. The new England manager Sam

Allardyce has a tough job of Nissan 's committee did not look like a man

who does. He cuts and relaxed figure facing the media for the first time

yesterday. Having missed out on the job in 2000 XT Steve McClaren, he

was like getting the top job in English football this time around.

He promised to build a strong team ethic, as he builds for his first

game in charge, a World Cup qualifier against Novak year. I am

hard in that many years. You toughen yourself for whatever job you take

me take the good with the bat, otherwise you don't do it, don't

bother. I am here because I want to be there. I want the challenge. I'm

here because I believe I can make the team better. I think I'm tough

enough to take it. Bring it on, lads. Absolutely. Forget using a

buddy, a new way of carrying your clubs around the course was so who

needs four wheels, when you have a jet pack. The idea of a New Zealand

-based designer. If you think you will see it in use when golf returns

to the Olympics, you are very much mistaken, still some checks to go

through. As a rule, surely this will get more people playing golf. Looks

like a lot of fun. That is super cool. It would make me stop playing

golf. O2 customer data is being sold

by criminals on the dark net - a hidden part of the internet often

used for illegal activity. Names, emails, passwords,

date of births and phone numbers An investigation by this programme

has found that it's highly likely a result of something called

'credential stuffing' where stolen information is used

to log into personal accounts Our reporter Catrin Nye has been

looking at it and is here with me How did you find out this was for

sale? This was brought to us by a ethical

Hacker, a good hacker who looks out for this kind of activity online. He

told us that O2 customer data was being sold on the dark net, and more

hidden part of the Internet. It is accessed using a special browser and

a lot of criminal activity goes on there, you can buy guns, drugs, a

lot of stolen data like this. You can see this is the O2 customer data

for sale on the dark Net, on a Dark Net market which looks like a market

you might use on the normal Internet. It

is on offer, by five, get two free, so by five sets of personal details

of O2 customers and get to. We bought a small sample to check it

was genuine and immediately contacted all of the people whose

details we had, because we had their telephone numbers. This is me making

those calls. On this screen is a list of names,

e-mail addresses, passwords, telephone numbers of O2 customers

who I will cool and tell their data has been stolen.

Is that George? Is that Roman, is that David?

Your details have been stolen by a hacker. Your date of birth, name,

telephone number that I have called you on is for sale, and your

password is... I know, this is a really strange cool, isn't it?

As you can see, some unusual phone calls, people were quite alarmed

that I had been able to contact them using stolen details. What I said to

the customers was, change your password on your O2 account and on

other accounts that use the same password.

How did the information get their? We started investigating, and O2

were also investigating, and together we found out this is

something called credential stuffing. What had happened to these

customers, without them knowing, if they had already been hacked, years

ago, on a gaming site called XSplit. Usernames and passwords had been

stolen and where credential stuffing comes in is that those usernames and

passwords were used to log into the O2 account, get more information,

and that is what is being sold again. Criminals stuff millions of

sets of data through websites like O2 and every now and then they

will get a result. If you put in 1 million usernames

and e-mails, every now and then Babel match because people use the

same details again and they are able to get more data and criminals are

able to sell it on places like this. What did O2 say?

They investigated this with us and gave us a statement saying, we have

not suffered a data breach, credential stuffing is a problem for

many companies. O2 have passed on the details to law enforcement and

continue to help with investigations.

It is important to say this is not just a problem for O2, these

customers were hacked years ago, they did not know about it, but they

used the same username and password so it was able to be put through the

O2 website and can be tried on multiple websites, so many companies

are vulnerable. The key is that the username and password are the same

and if you do that you are vulnerable to something like

credential stuffing. Thank you.

Hussain Shaw is one of the O2 customers whose details were sold

Also here is Graham Cluley, a security expert who can talk to us

Thank you both very much. Hussain, tell us what happened to you? I was

approached by Joshua, a BBC reporter on your team, who said he had my

details, my e-mail address, password, which was for sale online.

Obviously initially I was wary of his contact, but because he had his

Twitter handles and everything I knew he was genuine or stop I knew

that my account had been compromised because back in February eBay

contacted me and suspended my account one evening because of

suspicious activity. Someone had used my password to put up lots of

adverts for motorcars at that time, and they e-mailed me again recently

to say it is possible that my details are on an online database

for sale, which was confirmed by your team as well. When you got the

call, what did you think, how you? Do you know what your information

may have been used for? I do try to stay safe online, it was a cardinal

mistake by myself to use the same password across all accounts, so it

was worrying initially but I was quite aware that the details that

had been compromised were not too critical in terms of banking and

e-mails, it was only things I had used for online forms, nothing too

critical in that respect. Graham, how often is this happening,

people's information being stolen and they did not even know that it

is out there for sale? It is happening all the time. These days,

if you are on the Internet, you have probably got hundreds of different

accounts, on websites, places you have bought things, football forums,

eBay, plenty of places. If any of these places gets hacked and the

hackers grab your data, your details, your credentials, they

will try to monetise it and one of the best ways is what we have seen

with the O2 case, they used the information to go to the O2 site and

grab further data which adds to the band you of it. And this is what is

called credential stuffing? And it is possible because people will so

often have the same password for everything you are talking about?

This is the cardinal sin, the big mistake, people use the same

password on multiple sites. You have to use it unique passwords for every

website you have an account on. Each time you get asked for a password

you should put something in every time? It should always be something

different. People will say, if we have got lots of different

passwords, how will we remember them? You don't have to do. I don't

know my e-mail password, my eBay, Amazon, Twitter, I don't know any of

them, and they are all complicated, but what I know is how to get into

my password manager programme, and that is a programme which stores my

passwords securely and generates random gobbledygook password because

my puny human brain would only choose really dumb passwords which

are easy to guess. Is that not "Ability as well? It is good that

you ask that cynical question! -- vulnerability. It is always possible

that someone could hack into my computer and hack into the password

manager but, as a security expert, I feel that is less of a risk. Some

people don't like password managers, you could write down your password

in a book, there is a risk there if you share a house with someone else

or your relationship goes sour, someone could have made a copy. All

of this stuff is on the Dark Net and with a special browser anyone can

get onto it. Is it quite easy to police? No, it is difficult to

police these things. The Dark Net is a shady alleyway off the regular

Internet where there are criminal marketplaces where you can buy just

about everything, weapons, credentials, drugs, and it is

difficult for the police to find out who is running these Dark Net

website and shut them down because it is all based on very strong

anonymity. Katrin phoned up the people whose information she had got

and in many cases they did not know their details had been stolen. What

is it used for? They might have used those time and time again to log

into different accounts to steal information, in some cases it might

not lead to identity theft. There are simply just people selling it on

to others who may feel they can monetise it, so if one group of

hackers feel they have not been able to do anything with it it does not

mean it is of no value. Organised criminal gangs, we have seen huge

growth in cyber crime, criminals love to use the Internet because it

gives them some kind of anonymity, they can reach far overseas, a long

way from law enforcement in this country, but breaking into British

accounts. It won't always be bank accounts, it could be your e-mail,

that is one of the things you need to protect the strongest Commodore

e-mail account, because it is the crux of your online accounts, you

need stronger security on that, more than just a password, it gets a bit

nerdy but you should enable features like to step authentication which

gives you an additional level of security so even if you lose your

password the hackers should not be able to hack into your account --

two step authentication. You say it is difficult to police the Dark Net,

what is being done to crack down on this? Some criminals make mistakes

and sometimes will use the information to have goods shipped to

them which they can sell for profit, and when you have an address or a

money trail, that is something that computer crime specialists around

the world are pursuing, so there is a lot of effort being made to combat

computer crime but it you are a competent cyber criminal you can

cover a lot of your tracks. Annie is asking, how can someone like me, a

grandmother, make sure my O2 Mobile is safe from criminals? Can I kick

something to prevent this? It is not as simple as that, you can speak to

the guys at O2 about what extra levels of security they can give

you, but what I would recommend is having a strong unique password,

that is the number-1 rule. It may be that are not familiar with it, they

could give you two step verification or said they could turn something on

to prevent people logging into your account if they are in the far east,

or China, something like that, which is not something you would normally

do, which should ring bells and prevent them from giving people

access to your account. What our company is doing to protect

customers People's data? As we have seen more and more hacks,

organisations are realising they need to protect the data so they are

looking at implementing strong encryption on details and enabling

this extra level of security, two step verification, which is when you

log into your account, give your username and password, then it asks

you for maybe a six digit number, something sent to your mobile phone

or displayed by an app on your smartphone, an extra level of

security because the hackers, even if they have your password, they

don't have physical control over your mobile, so you have possession

of that and it authenticates that you are who you said you are, the

real account holder. Hussain, you have had an awakening on this,

having been hacked yourself. Have you changed the way you will behave

in the future? Yes, like your guest mentioned, changing passwords was

the first step, making sure each one was unique. I have not yet used a

password manager, purely for the reason that I have not done enough

research into how secure they are, but it was very shocking initially

to learn that this kind of thing goes on. Thank you both very much,

Graham, I think you are coming back later to answer some questions, so

do get in touch if you have any questions and we will put those

questions to Graham later. Still to come:

With 13,000 people arrested in Turkey after the failed coup,

Amnesty International claims some of the detainees are

We'll talk to some of those living under the threat of detention.

And as a legal action is launched to overturn the Labour party's

decision to guarantee Jeremy Corbyn a place on the leadership ballot,

we will be live at the High Court with our political guru

Let's catch up with all of the news with Rebecca in the newsroom.

At least 19 people have been killed, and many injured, in an attack at a

centre for people with learning disabilities near Tokyo. 27-year-old

man who used to at the home later turned himself into the police.

The man Hillary Clinton beat to become presidential candidate for

the Democrats have forcefully endorsed her in a speech at the

party's National Convention. Bernie Sanders urged his supporters to

unite behind his former rival, who will run against Republican Donald

Trump in the elections in November. But many of them ignored his call,

booing and jeering at those expressing support Mrs Clinton.

The Bavarian Government will discuss measures to strengthen its police

force after recent attacks have raised questions over Germany's

security. On Sunday evening a Syrian man set off a bomb outside a music

festival in southern Germany, killing himself and wounding 12

other people. It follows a series of incidents across the country in

which ten people have been killed and more injured in separate gun,

axe and machete attacks. The battle over the Labour

leadership enters the court this morning with a legal challenge

against the Labour Party brought by the party donor and former MP

Michael Foster. He is contesting the decision by the party's National

executive that Jeremy Corbyn should automatically stand in the

leadership contest, without having to secure nominations from 50 other

MPs and MEPs. O2 customer data is being sold by

criminals on the Dark Net, and hidden part of the Internet often

used for illegal activity. The data for sale includes phone numbers,

e-mails, passwords and dates of birth. It is highly likely a result

of credential stuffing, where stolen information is used to log into

personal accounts and steal more data. is for

The first solar-powered round the world flight

The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two, landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months

It is powered by 17,000 solar cells, and is no heavier than a car.

We start with Russia's involvement at the Olympic Games,

with news seven Russian swimmers have been banned from

competing after the IOC said international federations must

decide whether Russian athletes can compete.

Members of their team have begun arriving in Rio, still unsure

if they'll be able to take part in the Games, which start in under

Only archery, tennis, equestrian and volleyball have

cleared Russian participants, with at least 20 other

It was as close to perfect as you can get for England's

cricketers who won the second test at Old Trafford to level

Apart from a nasty looking injury to Ben Stokes, it was a flawless

performance as they won by a huge 330 runs.

If the new England manager Sam Allardyce has a tough job

on his hands, he certainly didn't look like a man who does, as he cut

a relaxed figure facing the media for the first time yesterday.

He promised to build a strong team ethic,

as he prepares for his first game in charge, a World Cup qualifier

Who needs four wheels when you've got a jetpack?

It's the idea of a New Zealand based designer.

But if you're thinking you'll see it in use when golf

returns to the Olympics, you'd be mistaken -

it's still got some checks to go through.

Turkey's President Erdogan has sent a strong message in the wake

of a failed military coup that descent of any sort

So far he's arrested around 13,000 people.

Amnesty International have said the treatment of detainees

is so severe it extends to torture and rape and has called

for international monitors to be sent in immediately.

Turkey's President Erdogan has sent a strong message in the wake

for international monitors to be sent in immediately.

Whilst in the UK opponents of the Erdogan government have

received death threats and intimidation.

Let's talk now to Ozcan Keles, a supporter of Fathullah Gulen,

the man Turkey blame for the failed coup, Gauri Van Gulik,

Amnesty International's Deputy Europe Director,

and Bulent Mumay a Turkish journalist who yesterday had

Tell us what you are hearing about what is happening to detainees? We

have seen an unprecedented crackdown after the coup. The

scale is worrying. 13,000 people in detention.

ill-treatment, ranging from beatings, starvation, stress

positions. Cases of torture. We are calling on

international monitors to be allowed in and check these places of

detention. These are not always official

places, stables,, Sony people being detained. Worrying situation. How

are you getting the evidence? We get it through lawyers, family

members, research on the ground. so little access, people held

incommunicado. Without a lawyer or access to their family.

Difficult to find out. We have an urgent need for transparent paper

nest, where people are being held, what is happening to them. A warrant

was put out for your arrest yesterday. What is that for? What

does it say? I don't know the details. I read it from some

websites close to the government. They publish a story yesterday

morning, there was a list, my name was on the list. Accusing me of

being part of the military coup, Absolutely I'm worried. I have been

working for 19 years as a generalist in Tokyo. Never supporting anything.

I always criticise the Army. am an opponent of the government,

either generalist one of my duties is to criticise and write about the

government. Turkey, unfortunately it is a

tradition. When the government cannot find

something to wealth, they add your name into the list, to make your

name dirty. Gulen, who has denied being behind

the coup. The edge -- government has said he was. You

have received messages threatening you. What have they

said? The day after the coup, I got a text

message signed off by the angel of death.

MIT, Turkish intelligence services, UK branch.

suggesting we should be aware. What were the

It was the movement that Ireland part of that party miscue.

Cursing that movement. Offering obscenities to be.

It was sent in Turkish, signed off by the

National intelligence services special Branch.

I offered it to Scotland Yard and the police. Was there an actual

threat? Putting accusations, the tone, the

wait was drafted, implying that, it did not

say directly we are going to kill you, if that is what you are

asking. Sent to my private mobile phone, not

available online. That's a message sent to numerous

people. I have had threats then by social media. On the

night of the coup, a cute hours mosque in Edmonton, people descended

on it, people started shouting and threatening

people. You believe this is orchestrated? A

lot of circumstantial evidence online.

This is not just happening in London,

happening across Europe, other parts of the world. Looking at the pattern

of the behaviour, the people involved, looking at what is

coming out of official Turkish outposts.

What they are saying. They are naming this social movement that I

am part of as being part of a terrorist organisation, without a

court order. When you add that emerges, not my responsibility to

apportion blame. What I would kindly ask, so far we have not had the FCO,

the Home Office involved, it is their responsibility to investigate

and to speak and say this kind of behaviour

should not be encouraged. We don't want Turkish problems exported into

UK communities. Scary, is this something Amnesty has been a

whereof? There is a climate of fear, very extreme at the moment,

certainly in Turkey. Seasoned journalists, who have been doing

this for decades, they are scared to talk to us. We are also seeing,

linking to what we said, as an international

organisation, human rights organisation, not affiliated with

any movement. We have also been accused of having ties

to the Gulen movement, because we have criticise the government.

Certainly a trend of repeating these kind of accusations, this was the

minister of justice. Not protecting people enough from the violence we

are seeing in Turkey against people accused of having a link to the

movement. A real stifling climate of fear, accusations with real

consequences, people getting hurt. Adding we have lost our line to

Turkey. -- I hear we have lost them alone.

We will hopefully get back. Are you in touch with people in Turkey

describing feeling that way? We had a call last week from a family

living in a block of seven flats, the residence of the six

other flats got together, going to the residence of the seven

flats was he happens to be in English language teacher, they said

to this man, the family living there for ten

don't want you in our apartment anymore. You need to get out.

Ordinarily residence. -- ordinary residents. The children of the six

families got together, made a pact, going to the children of the seven

family, saying we are no longer friends with you, you are part of a

terrorist organisation. We are hearing stories like this,

child going to buy bread, the shopkeeper refusing to sell bread to

that child, the child is a member of their family supporting the

movement, donating to the movement. The level of purge is that the

public level. It is a lynch mob mentality. People getting involved.

Citizens encouraged. We have had messages circulated in the UK,

asking UK residents to report on the other UK residents supportive of

Gulen, to report them to the presidential hotline. It is beyond

belief. A telephone number for the presidential hotline, saying for

these people. A second message circulated, updated, they have given

Turkey's National intelligence services details. A UK-based local

newspaper turning this into a local item, they say, if people are trying

to report these terrorists to Turkey, and they cannot get through,

report it to our local newspaper, and we will pass it on. Not sure you

could hear those claims, people reporting on those supporting the

opposition to the president. Is that happening? It is not a new thing in

Turkey. I am a journalist who has been a

target in the protests three years ago. At that time I was the editor

in chief of one of Turkey's Figgis website. The government did not like

us to publish stories about people's writes, and streets. I name my

telephone was being recorded by the government. Several people text

thingy on Twitter, using my own sentences, they were using my mate.

They put my ex-wife's numberplate on Twitter. It

is an issue. Unfortunately the online has gone again.

of these things, and now the death penalty being talked about. It has

come out a few times. The president seems keen to bring it up, talking

about bringing it back retrospectively. Those responsible

for the coup can be put to death. That is absolutely unacceptable. We

are always against the death penalty. Unacceptable to the Council

of Europe, ending any negotiations in Europe.

Extremely worrying. I'm keen to continue what was said before.

Freedom of expression, crackdown on journalists, activists, it is not

news, something we have seen for a while, getting worse. Even before

the coup, this was escalating. concerned. That crackdown has been

deepened, rather than finding criminal actors, or those

responsible for the crimes. Thank you very much.

How a Dorset woman hired a private detective to clear her husband's

name after he was wrongly convicted of historic sexual abuse.

Prisoners held indefinitely after serving their minimum term

or tariff should not have to prove it is "safe" to release

them, that's according to the new Parole Board chairman,

He says various factors make it "incredibly difficult" for some

inmates on Imprisonment for Public Protection

sentences to find such proof, and wants new criteria for freeing

It is effectively a sentence which means someone could be held in jail

indefinitely. Shaun Lloyd was given an IPP

sentence of two years and nine months for two street robberies

when he was 18, but spent more than He told Victoria what it was like

not having a date for release. Psychological hell, to go

through that and not know when you're coming out,

and what you say about the courses, sometimes it's like they're giving

you them for the sake of just doing them, to justify why

you're in for so long. They give you courses that you don't

really have to do. I did some courses twice over

and I should not have had to do So you are not, presumably,

arguing with the original sentence you got, the minimum sentence

you got, it's the fact that it went on and on and there is no light

at the end? I deserved a prison sentence

for what I did, I did Nine years of my life, what I've

witnessed in those nine years, What I witnessed inside,

I lost friends, countless friends killed themselves,

self-harming, things that And the parole process,

can you give our audience a little What happens, do you go

in a room and there are three I have got absolutely no idea,

describe it for us. You'll have three judges,

you will have probation, offender managers and certain other people,

if you've got psychological My offender manager I only met twice

for ten minutes each time. On my parole document I was fighting

statistics that said there was an 87% chance

of being recalled within 12 months. I don't know how they could come

with that statistic, so precise. I have been out 2.5 years,

so I've proved them wrong. Basically, on my seventh

parole hearing... Yeah, I just told the truth,

I told them that I've had enough I've done all the courses,

I cannot do any more, We will pick up on that in a moment

but I want to bring some breaking news out of France. The Reuters news

agency reporting this, two men armed with knives have taken several

people hostage in a church in the northern Normandy region, quoting a

police source. The source saying between four and six people being

held by assailants in centre tea and, that is just through -- Saint

Etienne. Two men holding people hostage in a church in centre tea

and, in the northern part, Normandy in the northern part of France. We

will check out those reports and bring you more as soon as we can.

Let's go back to those indefinite sentences.

Our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw is here.

How many people are in jail on indefinite sentences?

Over 4000 at the moment even though the sentences were abolished in

2012, and around 3300 are in prison having served their minimum term,

their tariff, and some of those have been held years longer than their

minimum term, perhaps they were given two or three years and are

still in custody five, six, seven, eight years later, in a Catch-22

situation where they have to convince the parole board it is safe

for them to be released and they don't present a danger. To do that,

they have to show they have been on behaviour courses but the longer

they have been in prison the harder it becomes for them to convince the

parole board it is said to be let out.

It is all about public protection, isn't it? How are they going to

change it and ensure public protection is not compromised?

This is a proposal from Nick Hardwick, head of the parole board.

He wants to turn the test on its head so the parole board would have

to show that they were still dangerous enough to be locked up, so

it is putting the onus on the parole board to show that they are

dangerous, rather than putting the onus on the president to show they

are safe. He believes it would benefit three categories of prison

at the most, those on short tariffs who have served many years beyond

their tariff, some prisoners who are in prison for longer than they would

have got under the maximum sentence for the offence they were convicted

off, and also some IPP prisoners who he says are frail and elderly and

don't present a risk. Those are the three groups who could

be released if these provisions were accepted by the new Justice

Secretary, Liz Truss. It seems anachronistic when the fact is these

sentences are not handed out any more.

Yes, the Government has replaced them with a kind of indeterminate

sentence liked where the parole board still has to decide if

dangerous prisoners can be released but there is a cut-off point at

which point they have to be released into custody. I should say, these

are controversial proposals because changing the released test goes to

the heart of that question about public protection and safety, and

some of these prisoners were convicted of serious offences

including sex offences, violence, and robbery, and there may be

members of the public who would be very concerned if they were

released. Could we see some high-profile

prisoners in jail, with an assumption they would never come

out, ending up being released? I don't think these sentences were

ever in post on people with the expectation that they would never

come out, the expectation was they would at some point but they would

have to prove it was safe. But clearly the idea of the prison gates

opening and people convicted of dangerous crimes walking free may

alarm some individuals. On the other hand there is a sense that this is

not a sentence that is working as it was originally intended to do.

Thank you very much. The telecoms regulator has stopped

short of ordering BT to sell-off Openreach, the firm behind much

of the UK's broadband network. Instead, Ofcom has this morning said

that Openreach should become a "distinct company"

within the BT group. Rivals - like Sky and TalkTalk -

had said Openreach should be taken away from BT following criticisms

over lack of investment and poor service levels,

and because they claim the fact that BT owns the company that develops

and maintains the network gives it The chief executive of BT said there

was no evidence that a separation of the company would be any better for

customers. There is no evidence anywhere around

the world that structural separation works. In fact, the few countries

that have done it have led to chaos in many cases, prices going up, no

additional choice for customers. Openreach will be able to provide,

under this proposal, better service, more investment, more choice for

customers. The chief executive of Ofcom said

their decision to make Openreach more independent means it will have

a legal obligation to customers to provide a faster, more reliable

service. What we expect the changes to date

to bring about absolutely are faster, more reliable broadband,

because Openreach, Bilawal, will have to act in the interest of all

its customers, not just eat eat -- by law. That means it will have to

provide a more reliable service, and customers want faster speeds,

fibre-optic cable to their doorstep, and Openreach, by law, will have to

respond. In the studio with me

is Rachel Neaman from Dot Everyone, a charity that campaigns

for reliable internet Kirsty Styles is a technology

journalist and editor at The New Statesman

and spin-off website NS Tech. And on Skype is Dido Harding,

the CEO of TalkTalk. She wants Openreach

to be separated from BT. Thank you all for joining us. It all

sounds very technical, why should anybody out there actually care

about this, what difference does it make? Internet connectivity is like

asking people to chat about plumbing, you are not necessarily

that bothers unless something goes wrong and you are happy to leave it

to an expert if it does go wrong. The issue with Openreach is that it

is a deal that was struck ten years ago when Facebook was still in

nappies, before Snapchat existed, and before the first iPhone came

out. The landscape, digital landscape, has transformed

incredibly even beyond BT's possible understanding over the last ten

years, and that means that we need a better additional infrastructure so

that people can have better access to digital services, Government

services, and so that businesses can do what they need to do, doing

business on the Internet. Everybody knows there are the haves and

have-nots when it comes to access to good Internet. Will what has been

announced today make a big difference? I hope it will because I

think there are still too many people who do not have access to

fast and reliable Internet. Clearly that is essential now for the way we

live our lives. For economic and social reasons, even in the

political and democratic process, it is essential to have fast and

reliable access to the Internet. Do you believe it is being hampered

because of the way the system is set up at the moment? I think it is

essential that there is enough competition to allow other

organisations and corporations to provide what is needed. I don't

think the average consumer minds about the institutional

organisational structure behind it but they need access to the

Internet, so however that can be best delivered I think is what your

average consumer is interested in. Dido Harding, opening up Openreach

to companies like yours, for you to have a greater say in what is

effectively done with the plumbing behind the Internet, is that going

to make of difference to consumers? I think it is a step in the right

direction to create a separate Openreach, but there is a real

danger that it looks like a good thing but it doesn't change anything

at all. The problem we have got is that the copper wires that go to

homes and businesses across the country are all owned and run by BT,

and by Ofcom, the regulator's own analysis, BT has made ?4 billion

more over the last ten years than they should have done in the current

regulatory regime, because Openreach's current functional

separation has not been working, so the danger is replacing the word

functional with legal but we are still dependent on lots of

regulation, lawyers, things small businesses don't care about, and it

won't change anything. Which is why I think it would be much better to

create and Openreach plc, a separate company, where we can all see how

much money it is making, whether they invest what they make in

improving our Internet... Sorry to interrupt, when you talk about the

money BT is making, it sounds like it is more about commercial interest

than what is in the public interest? Correct, and that is what Ofcom have

said, that BT Group's ownership of Openreach enables them to maximise

their shareholders' best interest... So you are not concerned in terms of

making things better for people out there, it is about individual

companies' commercial interest? Quite the opposite, I think

Openreach needs to be run for the country, for all of us who use it,

regardless of whether we get services from BT, TalkTalk, sky,

Vodafone, anyone, and the problem is you currently have that national

asset owned by one retail provider and the regulator says they have

abused that ownership. They are proposing what I think is in danger

of being a fudge, which is a bit more regulation to try to prevent BT

abusing that ownership going forward and we should all be scared that if

we don't understand it, and the danger is non-others care about the

detail. Thank you all very much. Just to bring you a quick statement

from BT saying, we welcome Ofcom's recognition that structural

separation would be a disproportionate move. Our proposals

provide Ofcom with the benefits they seek but without substantial and

unavoidable costs associated with legal incorporation. We will

continue to engage with them over the coming months.

Coming up: We'll be putting your questions to computer safety expert

Graham Cluley after this programme reveals O2 customer data

If you have got any questions for the expert, do get in touch.

Let's get the latest weather update with Darren Bett.

Good morning. The weather this week very different from what we had last

week. This time last week we had temperatures of 33.5 degrees in

Oxfordshire. Lots of strong, hot sunshine. Today, seven days later,

the best temperature will be maybe 23 degrees. That could be in

Norfolk, where we started quite funny this morning. It has not been

suddenly everywhere, lots more cloud out towards the rest, this picture

by a weather watch in Worcestershire. Over the next few

days it will be cooler than it was last week, no sign of a repeat of 33

degrees. There will be sunshine but a lot more cloud and that will bring

some showers, maybe longer spells of rain. Our weather is coming in from

the west, all this cloud streaming towards the UK from of the Atlantic,

and it will be beginning to give us outbreaks of rain in the West today.

It will always be bettered towards the

east though we will see more cloud this afternoon, losing some of the

sunshine and we could pick up one or two showers. More showers for

Scotland into the afternoon, and some rain and drizzle developing in

Northern Ireland, that will peg back the temperatures. Some of that will

stream into the north-west of England, brighter to the east of the

Pennines. But the south, more low cloud across Wales and the

south-west, outbreaks of light rain and drizzle, showers ahead of that

through the Midlands and the south-east, where temperatures could

get as high as 22 or 23. In the evening, wet weather continues

across Northern Ireland, south-west Scotland, north-west England, rain

and drizzle developing overnight, spilling South into England and

Wales. The cloud will keep the temperature is up, 16 or 17 in the

towns and cities, but low cloud over the hills so quite gloomy. Fresh

conditions for Scotland and Northern Ireland. Tomorrow, rain and drizzle

for England and Wales, it will tend to Peter Wright as it heads to the

south-east, dull and dump, possibly heavy showers in the Midlands

through the afternoon, but further north we get some sunshine across

North Wales, northern England, sunshine and showers in the North of

Scotland and a much better day for Northern Ireland, where it should be

dry with some sunshine. But there is more rain to come, areas of low

pressure again of the Atlantic. Not quite sure where this will fit, near

the centre we will see most of the rain, so that may push across

Northern Ireland into Wales, northern England. To the south of

that, warmer but with some heavy showers, and to the north, sunshine

and a few showers for northern Scotland.

Hello it's 10.00 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling.

Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us; coming up before 11.

We'll have the latest from Japan where 19 people have been stabbed

to death at a care home for people with mental disabilities

We'll talk to a former firefighter who was wrongly jailed for sexually

assaulting a teenage boy 40 years ago, he was freed after his wife

hired a private detective to prove her husband's innocence.

Customer data for sale; this programme has found that O2 users

information is being sold by criminals on the so called dark

net, the part of the internet which is hidden and often used

Good Morning, here's a summary of today's news

At least 19 people have been killed and 20 injured, many seriously,

in a knife attack at a care home in Japan.

It happened at a centre for people with learning difficulties

in the city of Sagamihara, 25 miles west of Tokyo.

A 26-year-old man, who used to work at the home,

Two men armed with knives have taken several people hostage

Police say between four and six people are being held

by the assailants in a church in Saint Etienne du-Rouvray.

The man Hilary Clinton beat to become presidential candidate

for the Democrats has forcefully endorsed her in a speech

Bernie Sanders urged his supporters to unite behind his former rival,

who will run against republican Donald Trump

His fans booed and jeered throughout the event at those who expressed

it is no secret that Hillary Clinton and I disagree on a number of

issues. That is what this campaign has been about, that is what

democracy is about. Hillary Clinton will make an outstanding president,

and I am proud to stand with her tonight this thank you all very

much. The Bavarian government will discuss

measures to strengthen its police force after recent attacks have

raised questions over Germany's security.On Sunday evening a Syrian

man set off a bomb outside a music On Sunday evening a Syrian man set

off a bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany,

killing himself and wounding It follows other attacks

across the country in which ten people have been killed and more

injured in separate gun, O2 customer data is being sold

by criminals on the dark net, a hidden part of the internet often

used for illegal activity. The data for sale includes users'

phone numbers, emails, It's highly likely a result

of 'credential stuffing' where stolen information is used

to log into personal accounts A computer security expert explained

that policing the dark net is extremely difficult. The dark net is

a shady alleyway, off the regular Internet, where there are big

marketplaces, criminal marketplaces, where you can buy just about

everything, weapons, credentials, drugs online. Very difficult for the

police to find out who is running these dark websites and shut them

down. The battle over the Labour

leadership enters the courts this morning with a legal challenge

against the Labour Party brought by party donor

and former MP, Michael Foster. He is contesting the decision

by the party's national executive that Jeremy Corbyn should

automatically stand in the leadership contest

without having to secure nominations The communications regulator, Ofcom,

has ordered BT to make its Openreach broadband operation a "distinct

company" within the BT Group. The move follows complaints

about Openreach's poor customer performance,

and demands that Britain's broadband But Ofcom's decision stops short

of the complete split from BT The first solar-powered

round the world flight The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two,

landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months Pilot Bertrand Piccard brought it

down safely in the early hours of this morning,

marking the end of an epic The plane is powered by more

than 17,000 solar cells, That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 10.30. Breaking news on the hostagetaking

in a church in France. We are hearing from Reuters, quoting a

police he two hostage-takers have been neutralised, the words they are

using. This story breaking in the past 15 minutes or so. Two people

taking a priest, two nuns and several members of the congregation

hostage at the church, near to Rouen. We are hearing police are

saying the two hostage-takers have the Neutralizer. There are reports

several hostages have been injured. Picked up by BBC monitoring.

Firefighters have arrived at the scene of the hostagetaking. Several

people injured. This is a situation which has just emerged. Sounds

potentially it is over, police saying the two hostage-takers had

been neutralised or stop only just emerging in the last ten, 15

minutes. We will keep you updated on the latest of that. To get in touch

through the morning. Russian athletes have

begun arriving in Rio, still unsure whether they will be

able to compete in the games, after the IOC said International

Federations must decide whether to allow

Russian participants. So far Russia have only been cleared

to compete in Archery, tennis, Equestrian and volleyball

events, with at least 20 other FINA, who govern swimming have said

they will retest samples collected from Russian swimmers at the 2015

World Championships, after banning seven swimmers

from competing in Rio. Irish Jockey JT Mcnamara has

was paralysed after a fall at the 2013 Cheltenham Festival,

has died at the age of 41. Mcnamara was a leading amateur rider

with over 600 winners He fractured two vertebrae

in his neck when he fell at the first fence at the Festival

three years ago. It was as close to perfect

as you can get for England's cricketers who won the second test

at Old Trafford to level Apart from a nasty looking injury

to Ben Stokes, it was a flawless performance as they won

by a huge 330 runs. Thanks in part to impressive batting

displays from Joe Root Stokes is a pretty tough nut, he

said he felt something go. We will know a lot more tomorrow morning.

The good thing he is walking around up in the changing room now this I

would say he would be a fairly big doubt for Edgbaston, fairly obvious

stop if the scan is a good result, we can start treating him coming

here is a tough guy, but that would be a big risk.

If the new England manager Sam Allardyce has a tough job

on his hands, he certainly didn't look like a man who does, as he cut

a relaxed figure facing the media for the first time yesterday.

Having missed out on the appointment back in 2006 when it

went to Steve Mclaren, he was clearly delighted

after getting the top job in English Football this time round.

He promised to build a strong team ethic,

as he prepares for his first game in charge, a World Cup qualifier

And forget using a buggy, there's a new way of carrying your clubs

It's the idea of a New Zealand based designer.

But if you're thinking you'll see it in use when Golf returns

to the Olympics, you'd be mistaken, it's still got some

But as a rule, surely this alone is going to get more

David Bryant, a retired fire-fighter from Dorset,

had his life turned upside down when he was accused

of historic sexual abuse, a crime he didn't commit.

Despite repeatedly denying the accusations, he was convicted

It was only after his wife Lynn hired a private detective

to prove his accuser was a serial liar that the conviction

After nearly three years behind bars, David was released last week.

He and his wife Lynn are now calling for an urgent review of how historic

They're both here now, thanks for joining us.

Thank you for joining us, it has been a whirlwind? The last fortnight

has been a mad two weeks. Gradually getting used to going where I want

to go. Take us back, this started to unfold when a letter was posted

through your door four years ago. What did it say? I cannot remember

exactly. It was, do you remember me? We used to know each other years ago

from the British Legion. The time has come to pay now, one way or

another for us the person that made the accusation said he was going to

the police at six o'clock if I did not contact him. The national press

at seven o'clock. We rang the police to find out what was going on, they

did not know anything at the time. At seven o'clock in the evening...

They arrived at our house, they said they will not be coming to us, the

person accusing my husband went to the police station, making

accusation, they would not tell us what, from that day they labelled

him guilty. This person was Danny Baker waiving right to anonymity.

Did the name mean anything to you? Yes, I did remember him from way

back was the only reason I knew him, he used intellect glasses in the

British Legion branch where I used to go for a drink now and again.

When you knew he was making these allegations against you, how did you

feel? Completely dumbstruck. Did not know where he was getting them from.

Nothing I could do about it, I had to find out and wait until the

police told us what was going on. What did you think? When the police

were not prepared to come to our house they came to seize the letter,

we said, we can most probably prepare an alibi, we have the log

books of the fireman. It was not until the first magistrates'

hearing, when they said they went spinning to charge him, we learnt

the full allegation. We were sat with our solicitors in the

Magistrates' Court. He was reading everything put against my husband.

We said we can prove he could not have happened on a Tuesday or

Thursday. We have the books to say they were people on the station on

that day. He said there was a pool table, there was a pool table since

1992. Said he was led out for a fire exit door, there was no fire exit

door. If they had asked David when questioning him, more thoroughly,

doing 20 minutes of investigation, they could have found this guide was

lying. The information was there at the early stage, but you were

convicted? We started a complaint after David was convicted. The

police's attitude was, he was convicted, nothing you can do. That

is where I came in to action, saying this is not right. My friend and I,

we put the evidence together in 14 minutes. For our team, for them to

go forward and do more investigation. That'll came after

the moments when you were convicted. You have been sent to jail. When the

jury verdict was delivered, and you knew you had been found guilty, how

did you react? Absolute shock, nothing you can do. They made their

decision, you have to go to prison. So you went to prison, what was it

like? There is always that fear, you hear rumours of what prison is like,

but I got treated quite fairly. It is hard, locked away for several

hours a day, you don't see your family, you don't even get a lot of

fresh air, but I found the best thing to do was get yourself a job,

keep busy all day long and the time went a little bit quicker. While you

were in jail, your wife was doing what she could to get you out, but

were you despairing? You were sentenced to eight years in prison,

did you think that you might end up serving all of that? You only serve,

as far as I'm aware, half, so that meant I had for years to do and we

both said before, if it is three to four years, we will just get on with

life, go through it, if we can find the evidence to get me out, we will,

but we will stay together. That is quite an attitude to take when you

have been wrongly accused of something. We made the conscious

decision between being found guilty and him being sent to prison, we had

one month because they had to do probation reports and a medical

report, so we had Christmas together, spent it with some

friends, and we all made the conscious decision that we knew it

wasn't true, we would do our best to fight it while he was in there, and

that is what we did. We were very fortunate to have a legal team that

came forward to help us free of charge, and if it had not been for

them, we would not be sat here now. They have been amazing, absolutely

amazing. They were too modest to admit it but without them we would

not be here and Mark, our solicitor, we would not be here without them,

they were amazing. Do you worry about what people would think around

you? At first, yes, we did. It is out there that we did briefly

contemplate a double suicide because we didn't know what people's

reactions would be. That is all for, when did you... We thought, no one

is going to believe us, this accusation has been made against

him, it is horrendous, we both knew it wasn't true, and it crosses your

mind. But only for a fleeting second. We decided that if we did

that then we were giving in to this person. We have to stay strong, we

just made the conscious decision and I said, while you are in now we will

do our best to do everything we can to get you out because this isn't

right. You said it took you a very short amount of time to actually

come up with what you needed to get David out? How did you do it? Burst

of all, the plans of the fire station, we were sat round with our

friends and he said, why don't you go to the council to see if you can

get the plans of one the station was changed? Within ten minutes we had a

set of plans which showed the station had not been changed until

1991 to how Mr Day had described it. The log books we already had and we

put the whole what together in 40 minutes. If the police had spent 40

minutes, if we could have had a chance to have told them, they could

have most probably put a stop to the whole thing within half an hour to

an hour because we can prove it. When you came up with that, how did

you feel? I'm assuming you would have felt delighted that you had

that, but was there a certain amount of anger as well? A certain amount

of anger, because we felt we were beating our head against a brick

wall. They were not prepared to listen when we made a complaint. My

friend and my cousin, we went to the police to start a complaint

procedure. It was not getting anywhere. We felt angry at that

point because we could provide the evidence that they were not prepared

to go and find. The Crown Prosecution Service said they

reviewed the available evidence at the time in the case and decided it

was sufficient and in the public interest to prosecute. However, new

evidence recently came to light about the credibility of a key

witness would fatally undermined the prosecution case.

Obviously that was down to you uncovering that? Yes, and when they

said they had evidence to prosecute, that makes me angry because there

was no evidence from Mr Day committee could provide no evidence.

One of the main things that turned it around for us, he said that he

was heading for a boxing career, he was going to go professional boxing

and we stopped him from having that career. Maybe three weeks ago he did

another statement to say he did not have a boxing career, his fights

were all illegal, it was all underground and he was never

selected for the British Olympics. That was something else that we

found out that the police, if they had questioned him again, he lied to

the police at the beginning. The period when the allegations were put

against you was the time after Jimmy Savile being exposed. Do you think

that the climate then may have impacted? Yes, we certainly do,

because it was in the press found that the police had said, if

somebody comes forward with a claim of six-year-old assault, whether

they have got any back-up or not, they were to be believed -- sex

assault. It is difficult because allegations need to be taken

seriously but in your case the evidence in the end was not their?

If the police had taken the time to talk to me, they would have seen

that we had evidence to say it could not have happened on... Well, he did

not have a date, he gave a two-year timespan, who can prove an alibi for

every night or every day for two years? You just cannot do it. It was

very difficult. We were lucky that we were able to find the evidence

and that it forward and for the proud classic -- Crown Prosecution

Service time to say, yes, you are right, you have enough evidence, and

that was down to Peter and Rachel, our legal team, working so hard to

predict the Crown Prosecution Service again. I know you said,

David, that you discuss and felt if you would serve three or four years

that you would hunker down and get through that and move on, but you

would have forever been a guilty man? Yes. But, where I come from, I

have had no adverse comments at all, non-at all, not from people I meet

in the town, friends, relations, they have all stuck by me. We have

had 100% support from everybody, nothing too blog a tree at all, and

that has kept me going -- nothing to Rogge tree at all. It has kept me

going to work every day, because I have had to pay the bills, the

support has been fantastic. Work colleagues, all the family, it has

bought the family closer together, all our friends have been so

supportive, we have to thank them, too, because they kept me going,

certainly. Before you went through this, would you have thought that

you would... Obviously it is not something anybody would contemplate

but we never know what challenges might be thrown at us, would you

have thought you would be able to whether something like this? With

you imagine you could have fought in the way you did? Not at all. Before

this happened we were fortunate to be semi retired, had a great life,

and when this came along the first thought is absolute despair, then

the realisation sets in and you just cannot allow it to go on, you have

got to fight. If you don't fight, you give up, and we had to fight.

The thing that got us through, we were able to speak most days, if we

were able to speak for a ten minute call each day, it kept you going to

the next day, and that was good. If there was not a call, you would

worry, has he been moved, is their segregation, has he been taken

poorly? Briefly spoke each day, it kept us going, and try the day at

weekends. Has it changed you? Yes, I'm a little more cautious now. I

like to know where I'm going, who I'm going to see, but I'm gradually,

that is wearing away now. Now I'm allowed out and about, I'm getting

used to going and beating friends whenever I want, and there is no

feeling like that. You can go where you want to go. While this was going

on, I existed, I wasn't living, but now we can get back to living again,

which is really good. How do you feel about your wife? She

effectively cleared your name? She's brilliant. I knew she was strong,

but I never realised how strong she was. It has made me a lot stronger.

I don't trust people any more. It just shows that if you have got to

do it, you have got to fight, and I told the police I was never going to

give up until David was acquitted and I would keep going. They just

said, he is convicted, get over it. How do you feel about that? Are you

able to get past that? No, I'm angry at the police, very angry. The

treatment I have had from the police has not been very good, but they

have got a job to do and I know they are under pressure, but when it

comes to people's lives it is not good enough. If I had done my job in

the way that they had done their job, I would not be in a job now. It

has to be more thorough, they have to be more considerate, they have

to... It takes away from the true big tins, you know? -- true victims.

Something has got to be done where it happens differently.

There is brief statement from Dorset Police:

"Dorset Police takes any allegations of sexual abuse very seriously

and conducted a thorough investigation in this case.

The findings of the investigation were passed to the CPS,

Linda has tweeted to say, how can a court convicts with no physical

evidence? Another says, it is a disgrace that

it was down to his wife to present the to clear her husband.

How do you move forward? Do you now just put this behind you? We wanted

to get the story out there because we don't want this to happen to

someone else because it is so easy, I could turn round and say, that man

raped me 20 years ago, I will go to the police, they will take a

statement from me, from that person, and you can end up in prison. There

has got to be more to it. We just wanted out there to help other

people so it doesn't happen to anybody else and hopefully if we can

get that message across, we want to then get back to a normal life. But,

you know, if we can help people then we want to do that, because we feel

so strongly about it. Ross has tweeted, very sad for this

blog, police and CPS need to review how they approach this, police

should take all evidence given. Another, when the CPS reviewed

available evidence they mean only prosecution lies and false witness

statements, no defence evidence. David, you will not get back that

time that you spent in prison, you won't get back that time that you

spent apart. But, I guess, from what you are saying, you have both

changed in ways that you can take forward in a positive way? We will

do our best to get that time back. We are going to have quality time

together now. Spend it with family and friends that have supported us.

We can't thank the legal team enough, they are all very modest and

say it is not just down to them, but, for me, they have a special

place in our lives because... We have got a lot of new best friends

now, and all public, a lot of people to be grateful for. Without them, we

wouldn't be here. Thank you both very much for coming in.

And thank you for your comments, as well.

Let me bring you an update on the situation in France, where we were

telling you that several people have been taken hostage in a church near

Rouen, the situation was that two people took a priest, a nun, and

some congregation members hostage at that church, in Normandy. We

understand that several people have been injured, there are possibly

even reports that somebody has been killed in that hostagetaking, but we

have heard from the police that the hostage-takers have been

neutralised, that is the word that they are using. So we will stay

across those reports and keep you updated when we can bring you more

on that. As a legal action is launched

to overturn the Labour Party's decision to guarantee Jeremy Corbyn

a place on the leadership ballot, we'll be live at the High Court

with our political guru Norman And retail giant Amazon is to start

testing drones to drop off parcels That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom It is being reported a priest has

been killed after two men armed with knives took people hostage in

southern France. They were held in the church just outside Rouen. The

people enter the church as a mass was taking place.

At least 19 people have been killed and 20 injured, many seriously,

in a knife attack at a care home in Japan.

It happened at a centre for people with learning difficulties

in the city of Sagamihara, 25 miles west of Tokyo.

A 26-year-old man, who used to work at the home,

The man Hilary Clinton beat to become presidential candidate

for the Democrats has forcefully endorsed her in a speech

Bernie Sanders urged his supporters to unite behind his former rival,

who will run against republican Donald Trump

His fans booed and jeered throughout the event at those who expressed

The Bavarian government will discuss measures to strengthen its police

force after recent attacks have raised questions over Germany's

On Sunday evening a Syrian man set off a bomb outside a music

festival in southern Germany, killing himself and wounding

It follows other attacks across the country in which ten

people have been killed and more injured in separate gun,

O2 customer data is being sold by criminals on the dark net,

a hidden part of the internet often used for illegal activity.

The data for sale includes users' phone numbers, emails,

It's highly likely a result of 'credential stuffing'

where stolen information is used to log into personal accounts

The battle over the Labour leadership enters the courts this

morning with a legal challenge against the Labour Party

brought by party donor and former MP, Michael Foster.

He is contesting the decision by the party's national executive

that Jeremy Corbyn should automatically stand

in the leadership contest without having to secure nominations

The first solar-powered round the world flight

The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two, landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months

Pilot Bertrand Piccard brought it down safely in the early

hours of this morning, marking the end of an epic

The plane is powered by more than 17,000 solar cells,

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

We are hearing the French president Francois Hollande is heading to that

church in Normandy where two hostage-takers took several people

hostage. It is a place near to the city of Rouen. The latest reports

are that different security officials say police are killed two

attackers using knives to take hostage in that church. The

officials saying the identity of the attacker, and the motive for the

attack are unclear. It happened in Saint-Etienne du-Rouvray. Near to

Rouen. We are hearing Francois Hollande is heading there. This

comes after the Bastille day attack in Nice. Several attacks claimed by

the Islamic state group. This church in Normandy, we understand a priest

two nuns and several members of the congregation were taken hostage. We

understand the situation is over, reports that the two hostage-takers

have been killed by security services. We will get the latest

from our correspondents on the situation there shortly. For now,

let's break away and catch up with the sport.

Russian athletes have begun arriving in Rio,

still unsure whether they will be able to compete in the games,

after the IOC said International Federations must decide

whether to allow Russian participants.

So far Russia have only been cleared to compete in Archery,

tennis, Equestrian and volleyball events, with at least 20 other

Irish Jockey JT Mcnamara has was paralysed after a fall

at the 2013 Cheltenham Festival, has died at the age of 41.

Mcnamara was a leading amateur rider with over 600 winners

He fractured two vertebrae in his neck when he fell

at the first fence at the Festival three years ago.

It was as close to perfect as you can get for England's

cricketers who won the second test at Old Trafford to level

Apart from a nasty looking injury to Ben Stokes, it was a flawless

performance as they won by a huge 330 runs.

Thanks in part to impressive batting displays from Joe Root

If the new England manager Sam Allardyce has a tough job

on his hands, he certainly didn't look like a man who does, as he cut

a relaxed figure facing the media for the first time yesterday.

He promised to build a strong team ethic,

as he prepares for his first game in charge, a World Cup qualifier

The battle within the Labour Party rages on and the lengths that people

are prepared to go to now to stop Jeremy Corbyn being leader

Today it's reached court, as one of the party's major donors

tries to stop Jeremy Corbyn from being automatically allowed

Michael Foster has handed large sums to the party,

and has now gone to the High Court to fight the decision to let

the Labour leader run without the support of his MPs.

Our political guru Norman Smith is at the High Court for us this

Silas the arguments being put forward at the High Court? -- talus.

I have just come out of court 76, out of the bowels of the building.

No Jeremy Corbyn, but around a dozen legal eagles poring over the Labour

Party rule book. The issue is whether Jeremy Corbyn should be

allowed onto the ballot automatically for the Labour

leadership. Or like the other contenders he has to get the backing

of 20% of Labour MPs and MEPs. Often, when politicians or

representatives go to court it is a lot less about the law, an awful lot

about raw politics. You kind of thing that is what is going on here.

Those challenging Mr Corbyn in the court calculates that if he has to

get the nomination of 51 MPs and MEPs he won't be able to do it is up

he won't be able to get on the ballot paper, knocked out of the

leadership race before it had begun. What do those appealing for the

court to force Mr Corbyn to get the nomination say? If you look at the

rule book, it is clear, anyone challenging for the leadership has

to get 20% nominations. Pointing back to the example of Neal Kinnock

in 1988, challenged for the leadership from he did get the

nominations. Not clear whether he did that to show the support amongst

MPs, or forced to do so by the rule book. Mr Corbyn's team say the law

but is not so clear. In fact it only suggests those challenging the

leaders need 51 nominations, more than that, they say it would be

unfair, beyond the natural justice if the leader was not able to defend

themselves. Crucially they point to the ruling by the party's National

executive committee, the governing body of the Labour Party, last week

ruling in Mr Corbyn's favour. What can we expect? We will not get a

clear decision to day, the judge may want time to reflect on it. A couple

of thoughts. Judges are wary of getting involved in political

disputes. Talking to lawyers, often when there is something like the

Labour Party, with its own rules governing body, they prefer to let

the party make its own decision about what complies with the rules

and what does not what does it mean? Those challenging Mr Corbyn, I

suspect, have an uphill legal tussle.

The party has arguably never been more divided,

between those who want Mr Corbyn in the top job, and those who don't.

On one front it's a battle between the big party donors -

and the ?3 party members who signed up to vote him in.

Let's speak to Dr Assem Allam, who is a leading donor to the party

and the owner of Hull City Football Club, who has called for the party's

He gave the party half a million pounds in 2015 to help fight

We're also joined by one of the party's largest

donor's John Mills And here are two members of Momentum -

the part of the Labour Party which supports Jeremy Corbyn -

Thank you very much. When the row over who gets to be on the ballot

paper goes to the highest court, pretty horrendous for a party? Yes.

The party, if they cannot make up their own rules, how can they ruled

Great Britain? If they cannot rule the party. Serve story. They had to

go to the courts, to help with the rules. Does it mean, if they win the

election next time, which is a possibility. Does it mean that the

government, it will have to go to the United Nations, or a High Court?

Sad story. Not unexpected, when you have what we have in the Labour

Party. A damning assessment of how you see the Labour Party right now.

Not fit to govern the party. Do you totally withdraw your support for

Labour? Yes, as I said before, I am not in the habit of backing lame

horses. Would anything persuade you to start donating to Labour against?

You need a Labour Party to start again. As we had it before, during

Harold Wilson, Tony Blair, so one. We had a successful Labour Party

before. Recently under Tony Blair, right wing, winning an election

three times. What is wrong with the? I believe Churchill had a saying, it

is insane you do the same thing twice. And expect different results.

Here you have left wing failing badly, Michael foot, Neil Kinnock, I

can name others. -- Michael Foot. The more right wing, Harold Wilson,

Tony Blair, three times. Why have we decided to move? I said this to Ed

Miliband, why are you moving left? It badly failed. Let's will not

govern. I wish the Labour Party would wake up. They need to be a

proper party to rule all be in opposition. Let them wake up. For

God's say. Stay with us, I want to get reaction to what you're saying,

Tim Johnson. Going so far left is not the way to rule the country and

women election is not he seems to say that Jeremy Corbyn and John

McDonald cannot govern the Labour Party, but he cannot govern his own

football club. His own fans having said protest about his leadership.

In terms of labour being right wing or left wing, you don't double the

membership within the space of the year, you don't win all your

by-elections, winning four may or elections, forcing 22 government

U-turn city cannot govern your party. The idea Tony Blair was a

success story, he was electoral success story, but we lost 3 million

Labour voters, victors of first past the post, he was able to get

elected, we saw Labour governments. He seems to think a Labour

government under any circumstances is a good idea. Not a good idea to

have a centrist Tory party in government, as opposed to an actual

Labour Party. If you want to talk about the history of the Labour

Party, that is what we need. The question for the Labour Party, who

is more in June, Momentum, or people like MEPs and MEPs not backing

Jeremy Corbyn? Who is most in tune with public opinion? Jeremy. Why use

soap convince? 183,000 members in a couple of days signing up to vote

for Germany. Last time, when he was voted, less than a year ago, he was

voted in, people signed up to support him. How do you see it?

I have been involved with the Labour Party as a supporter for 50 years,

it goes through good times and bad times. It is depressing to see the

situation in the Labour Party is in at the moment, I don't see a clear

way ahead. I'm not sure legal action in the court is the best way to

solve this problem. Whether Jeremy Corbyn should be on the ballot or

not is a political decision, not a legal decision, and I have to say

that if he was kept off the ballot this would be regarded as being a

real betrayal by large numbers of members of the Labour Party and I

would not support that happening. What do you see happening? Do you

think the party will spit? Do you want the party to split? I certainly

don't because if it does we will finish up with two weakened

left-wing parties and just a Conservative Government forever and

a day. They're right enormous problems about splitting the Labour

Party, who would own the brand, who would be in charge of the

liabilities and assets and the organisation in the country? Who is

going to get involved in it? I think the best thing to do really is for

the MPs to just accept the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is going to be elected

and carry on until we see whether the Labour Party can shake it sucked

into a position where it is more electable and have policies which

appeal to the country. Will you donate to the Labour Party with

Jeremy Corbyn as leader? You have got a situation where you donated in

the past and it means dividends from the shares you have given to the

party keep giving returns to the Labour Party but you have not chosen

to keep effectively giving money under Jeremy Corbyn? The arrangement

I have got is that the shares to the Labour Party paid dividends which go

to the Labour Party automatically. If the parties but I'm not sure what

the situation would be. I have supported the Labour Party since

making that arrangement, for example I supported Sadiq Khan becoming

Mayor of London, so I'm not against some financial support for the

Labour Party but it would be nicer if the Labour Party was in better

shape. The Labour Party is spit, there is a division, isn't there,

clearly, in the way different people want to see the party going. Do you

two think the party should split? Are those two sides reconcilable? I

don't think they should split, I think they can be reconciled. It is

going to take a lot of work but it needs to come together and the MPs

that are not representing the people but voted them in need to come into

line. They need to get behind Jeremy and at least give him a chance. They

have not given him the chance since he has been there, they have often

talked behind his back, gone behind him... Let's see what Tim thinks,

very quickly. I agree, I don't think the Labour Party should split but no

doubt if the PLP don't come onside and supports Jeremy, support the

members who are supporting Jeromy and whose support is increasing the

Jeremy, they make up the vast majority of the Labour Party, I

think it will be difficult for the Labour Party not as bit, and that is

entirely the responsibility of the PLP, not the responsibility of

Jeremy or the members. Thank you all very much. Let's go

back to the breaking story from northern France, where it is

reported a priest has been killed after two men armed with knives took

several people hostage in a church. A police source has said the

hostage-takers have now been neutralised. Let's talk to a

journalist in Paris. What are you hearing? The latest information is

that the two hostage-takers have been neutralised, a euphemism for

killed, allegedly also a police officer wounded during the

operation. Inside the church there, one person killed, one of the

hostages, probably the priest, and another person, very seriously