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It is Thursday, nine o'clock, I am Jeremy Gosling. -- Joanna Gosling.


Lloyds Bank has announced it is axing a further 3,000 jobs


and doubling its planned branch closures, with 200 more


to be go from the UK's high-streets by the end of 2017.


The cuts are in addition to the 9,000 job and 200 branch


The man in charge of the bank is blaming brexit.


We are talking exclusively to a woman who's dad died


in hospital after doctors decided wrongly that his life could not be


They used the controversial Liverpool Care Pathway and have


admitted for the first time that it killed him.


Should the photos of terrorists be splashed across the media?


France's leading newspaper is banning them - saying it


gives them the publicity and glory they crave.


Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.


Lots coming up, do you think that the names and photos


of terrorists should be published - does it give them the


Tell us what you think as a leading french newsaper has


Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -


use the hashtag VictoriaLive and If you text, you will be charged


Lloyds Banking Group is cutting a further 3,000 jobs


The high street lender - still ten per cent


owned by the taxpayer - says it's preparing for a cut


in interest rates after last month's vote to leave the EU.


Let's go straight to our Business Correspondent Ben Thompson


who has all the details - he's at the London Stock


They are blaming breaks it, tell us why taking this action. Looks like


cannot hear us. We cannot go to him. We will check in with then a little


later to get more on exactly what is happening with Lloyds, and why they


say breaks it is to blame. Actually, I think you can hear us now. Can you


hear me? I can, welcome to the stock exchange. Technical gremlins getting


in the way. Nevertheless we are talking about Lloyds, a raft of


details coming through from all sorts of businesses. Lloyd is one of


the crucial ones. Recapping on what he said in the introduction. Another


3000 jobs to go at Lloyd's, on top of the 9000 already announced last


year, taking to 12,000 across the country. Also more branch closures.


Closing another 200 branches up and down the UK. By this time next year


400 will have disappeared from our high street. Why are they doing it?


They have blamed breaks it, because of the record low interest rates,


there is an expectation that the cost of borrowing will fall further.


That means the profit margin that the banks can charge, on loans and


mortgages get smaller and smaller. Making less money. Pointing to the


fact we're changing the way we our banking. Not going into bank


branches, doing it on our phones and mobiles, tablets and computers


instead. They want to save about ?400 million. Announcing plans to


cut those jobs, close those branches this morning. The biggest fall is on


the stock market, Lloyds down almost two and three quarters of a percent.


That is what investors are thinking. Not going down well with people


campaigning to keep branches open. All of this coming at the same time,


that they have announced pre-tax profits doubling to ?2.5 billion.


All other factors they are citing as reasons for job losses and closures


could apply to any banks, we will expect others to do similar? We have


seen a raft of bank closures and lay-offs in the past few years.


Largely as a result of the changing weight weedy banking. When was the


last time you went to a branch, paid in a cheque over-the-counter? That


has changed. Progress suggests it will go one. More of us using mobile


phones to do our banking. Contactless payments, credit cards.


All of that changing the way we do banking. No surprise they are


closing. After all they are very expensive, prime high street


locations, costing money to run and keep staff in them. Particularly


important in rural areas, they need to stay open, according to critics.


It is the lifeline of the local community. Local businesses paying


money and, taking cash out, also needed for older people unable to


access Internet or do it on the mobile phone. They want face-to-face


interaction. A lot of banks struggling with how they adapt to


new technology. What will they look like 5-10 years from now, still


trying to work that out. Particularly galling, given they


have announced profits rising to ?2.5 billion. At the same time


escalating the cost-cutting strategy, laying 3000 staff off on


top of the 9000 last year. 200 branches to go. On top of 200 last


year. 400 in total. Let's catch up with the rest of the


news. Anita is in the newsroom. The long-awaited decision


on whether a new nuclear power will be built at Hinckley Point


in Somerset could come today. The French energy firm EDF


is holding a board meeting where it's expected to approve


the giant ?18 billion pound project. Here's our business


correspondent John Moylan: It is a project on a vast scale. The


twin nuclear reactors planned for Hinkley point will provide 7% of the


UK's electricity. Due to start generating in 2025, one of the first


nuclear plants to be given the green light in Europe in years.


Preparation work at this site is under way. EDF ploughing in 2.5


billion euros. After years of delays it is set to be approved. Hinkley


point See will cost 21 billion euros. One of the most expensive


man-made structures on the planet. The Chinese group CGN is a 35% stake


in the project. Part of a wider deal which could see Chinese reactors


built in Britain. French ambitions to export nuclear technology around


the world have suffered a series of setbacks. The EDF project in France


has been hit by delays and is billions of euros over budget. The


finance chief resigned earlier this year, amid concerns soaring costs


could destabilise EDF's finances. The powerful unions want Hinkley


point to be delayed. Earlier this week the shareholders approved a


major refinancing plan, paving the way for today's decision. The UK


looks set to enter a new nuclear era.


French police have formally identified the second of the two


attackers who killed an elderly priest in Rouen on Tuesday.


He's Abdelmalik Petitjean, who was 19 and from eastern France.


An identity card belonging to Abdelmalik Petitjean was found


in the house of the other attacker, Adel Kermiche, but because his body


was so badly disfigured in the police shooting


it was impossible to be sure it was him.


But now DNA tests have confirmed it.


The group calling itself is Lamex Stadium has allegedly released video


evidence of the two pledging themselves to its leader.


Barack Obama has urged Democrats to unite behind Hillary Clinton


as the most qualified person ever to run for the White House.


Closing the third day of the Democratic National Convention,


the outgoing President praised Mrs Clinton as someone


Meanwhile, the Republican candidate Donald Trump took advantage of more


controversy surrounding the leak of emails and voicemails


from the Democratic national Committee.


Kim Ghattas reports from Philadelphia:


On the third night of their convention,


the Democrats brought out their biggest asset.


The popular president, and gifted speaker, he


for Hillary Clinton as the Commander-in-Chief.


Time and again you have picked me up.


Tonight I ask you to do for Hillary Clinton what you


I ask you to carry the same way you carried me.


President Obama knows that to preserve his


legacy he needs Hillary Clinton to win the White House.


Her rival had just stirred up a storm, after


allegations Russia was behind hacking into the Democrat party.


He suggested Russia should hack Hillary


Russia, I hope you are able to find the 30,000


You will be probably rewarded mightily by our


At the Democratic convention, from Joe Biden, to Senator Ted Caine,


They all attacked Mr Trump as a demagogue and


After President Obama laid out his vision


for America, a surprise appearance by the woman he hopes will take it


Theresa May's European Union tour moves to Poland and Slovakia today


as she continues talks on preparing for Brexit.


It follows a meeting with the Italian Prime Minister


yesterday, as well as talks in Germany, France and Ireland


Slovakia and Poland are among the EU states which benefit most


They have voiced concern about the rights of their nationals


The Turkish Government has ordered the closure of nearly


100 media organisations, as part of the crackdown


Almost 100 newspaper and broadcast journalists have also been arrested


The crackdown by Turkey's president has also targeted service personnel,


judges, government officials, school teachers


Immigration officials have arrested dozens of workers


at the burger chain, Byron.


The Home Office said 35 people from Albania, Brazil,


The operation took place earlier this month at restaurants


across London, but information has only just emerged.


Officials said it had been carried out with the restaurant chain's


A study of more than a million people has found that doing an hour


of activity a day could offset the health risks of sitting


The journal the Lancet has published a series of papers on the costs


of physical inactivity which is linked to an increased risk


of heart disease, diabetes and some cancers.


we know that sedentary behaviour is detrimental to health.


We wanted to understand whether physical activity


to eliminate the association between sitting time and inactivity.


If you are physically active for at least


one hour a day you are able to offset the association between


We're going to have tips on the sort of exercise you can do when you are


sitting down, stay with us. Plenty coming up on the programme. Do you


think the names and photographs of terrorists should be published? Does


it give them the publicity they crave? A leading French newspaper


has decided to ban them. We are looking into the new research, with


some experts, to give us some handy tips.


Let's catch up with the sport. We have an Olympic themed bulletin


this morning. Why not? The games are just a week away. We will hear from


the under fire IOC boss in a moment. First, to Team GB's preparations.


They have arrived at their training camp, 300 miles from Rio. It has


been financed by lottery grants, and officials say it has the best


facilities in Brazil. We have been to Brazil to take a look.


Sonny Webster may not be one of Team GB's best medal prospects. No


attention to detail has been spared. The under 98 kilograms weightlifter


provided with the same equipment at the training camp that he will use


later in Rio. Written's two weightlifters among the first to


arrive in Brazil along with the big boxing contingent, among them Nicola


Adams. Gold medallist in London, favourite to repeat that in Rio,


clearly enjoying the Olympic atmosphere. ?1.6 million in lottery


funding has been spent on getting this training camp right. Ringing


together athletes from 28 different sports, under one flag. The key part


is bringing the team together, not the individual national governing


bodies going to rear, the aim is Team GB, trying to unite the team to


bring them together to take on the world in the greatest challenge of


their lives, the Olympic Games environment. After coming third in


the medals table in London, Team GB has set a realistic but difficult


target of 48 medals in Rio. Using the best facilities is a key part of


achieving that target. This is a brand-new swimming pool in Belo


Horizonte, used by the entire squad. By their own high standards British


swimmers underperformed four years ago. Fran Halsall and Hannah Miley


among the swimmers in Brazil, training in reportedly the best


facilities in the country. More than 270 miles from Rio, this training


camp is inadvertently keeping UK athletes away from wider


distractions, including the political dispute on whether Russian


competitors should be excluded. Reports of the much travelled


athletes village, that should be ready by the time they arrive in


Rio. The British athletes will use facilities installed and paid for by


Team GB. Bosses insist they will have the best preparation possible.


Well, the Russian athletes who have not been band have also been


arriving in Rio. The IOC president has been justifying the decision not


to ban the entire Russian team. It is appreciated, on the one hand we


are sanctioning the system, but on the other hand, we give athletes who


are not part of the system, the opportunity to demonstrate this.


That is all the sport for now, but at 9:30am, we will take a look at


all the stories today and an in-depth look in our 's time.


Thank you. In an exclusive interview


this morning, Her dad died after doctors wrongly


decided that his life could not He was put on the notorious and now


discredited end of life care plan This meant that doctors withdrew


fluids and medication from Joseph and told Jayne


he was close to death. She spent the next three years


fighting to get answers and the hospital trust


has now apologised. This is believed to be the first


time hospital chiefs have publicly accepted the Liverpool Care Pathway


had "killed" a patient. We'll speak to Jayne in a moment,


but first let's remind ourselves Just under half of us die in a


hospital. Good end of life or palliative care is designed to make


that last experience as comfortable and dignified as possible. The


Liverpool care pathway, introduced in the 90s in England, Scotland and


Northern Ireland was meant to make that easier. Among other things, it


introduced a check list, think of it as a prompt for hospital staff to


help them work out when drugs, fluids and invasive tests can be


stopped. Those kind of treatments can be painful or unhelpful in the


last stage of life. The pathway often worked well, but when it went


wrong, it was extremely controversial. There were reports of


treatments being moved too quickly. Some families said their loved ones


had been left without food or water. The most damaging complaint was


around communication. Some patients were being put on the LCP without


anyone giving permission. Some families only found out about it


after a loved one had passed away. After all the controversy, in 2013,


the government scrapped the Liverpool care pathway in England.


It is also being phased out in Scotland and Northern Ireland. It


should be replaced with individual end of life plans, tailored to the


patient and discussed with their family but the discussion is not


over. Some critics say the government have just rebranded the


LCP, giving it a different name but continuing many of the same


practices. Well, Jayne Boberek,


whose father would have home had he not been placed


on the Liverpool Care Pathway, Thank you for coming in. You have


had a long battle to prove what happened. Take us back to when your


father went into hospital. He was 92. He had chronic background


conditions but these were being treated adequately. He had a routine


chest infection and he was admits it being dehydrated already, so I


presume the hydration aspect was being taken care off, as it usually


was. A few days later, I noticed he was not eating or drinking properly,


although he said he wanted food so I knew he had an appetite. I reported


this to the visiting therapist and she told the staff on the Monday


morning and they gave him extra fluids. But I didn't know at the


time, less than a quarter of these had been administered, and a few


days later, a junior doctor told me that the whole team had been talking


and they were thinking not to treat my father, because he had developed


a further infection, and his chronic heart, kidney and liver conditions


were at a terminal stage. That is how it was presented. I said, if


antibiotics had a good effect, what would be the result? They said, even


then, the problem is his heart. So effectively, he was not being


treated at this point. I only found out later he already was not being


treated. This was 29 hours without oral fluids and a day and a half


without his routine medications by the time I was approached. It was


quite confusing picture, in that you were being told that there were


various conditions going on which you subsequently discovered were not


the case. He seemed to be deteriorating, but you now know that


is because he was not getting the fluids. Was it a simple case of the


hydration, do you think? I think it was lack of care, lack of oral


dehydration, lack of clinically assisted rehydration, and I am not


sure if this was deliberate incompetency or what. You were told


that he was getting a lot of fluid, but he wasn't? I had alerted them to


the fact I felt he was not getting enough intake, yes. I presumed this


was being taken care of. Why do you think he was not being given that


fluid? I think it was a mixture of things. I think it was difficult.


The cannula came out, it was not reinserted. The fluid was not


continued. I am really not sure. I think it was a lack of factors, a


lack of substandard care and a lack of adequate care. That is your dad.


That is him, yes. Tell us a bit about him. He was quite a character.


That is what people said to me in the hospital, he is quite a


character, your dad. He was. He was very fiery, very opinionated, and


even though he was over 90, he had life left in him yet. When I saw him


in the bed deteriorating, I presumed, and it was presented to


me, that this was part of his condition, his medical condition. I


found out from the report, and from my research, that it wasn't. The


dehydration was the likely cause, and the removal of his routine


medications. Why were you so certain, because you had doctors


telling you he had an infection, you could see the deterioration, and you


did not know at that stage it was down to hydration, why were you so


sure that you were not getting the whole picture? I still, even up to


the moment he died, I believed he had another infection, and that his


organs were failing, but it looked to me like he was battling for life.


They looked like he was not ready to let go, and the question was,


whether to intervene, when I believed his organs were absolutely


failing, and this was the end stage. Afterwards, I left the hospital,


knowing that something profoundly wrong had happened, that I had


witnessed, something deeply wrong, and that is when I started to pursue


it myself, and got his records. The doctors said they had been talking


about his condition and whether to effectively put him on the Liverpool


Care Pathway. How's that bit to you? This was very odd, because it was at


530 in the late afternoon and I had been asking them all day, I had been


alerting them, he has not eaten, he has not drunk all day, I am


concerned. I was alerting them that there was something wrong, and I


presumed as if this was presented as his ongoing medical conditions, this


was a consequence of them. Hydration wasn't even on my radar. I naturally


assumed, it was such basic care, that he had been given all adequate


hydration. This was what I presumed. Word they open with you about the


Liverpool Care Pathway? No. The junior doctor said I can go and get


the papers for the Liverpool Care Pathway now. That alerted me that


something was wrong. And so, I said, I agree to hold on. I thought I was


agreeing just to stop the antibiotics, just to hold onto that,


but I presumed everything else was continuing, it was just the


medication that was on hold. So you did not know it was effectively a


pathway that would ease him to his end? I did not know that it had been


started. I think it was effectively underway without the paperwork. The


paperwork was put in place the next day. I think a day and a half before


I was even spoken to, it was already underway. I had power of attorney,


so this is the last thing I was expecting. When I had power of


attorney, I should have been consulted regarding all medical


decisions, all clinical decisions. So after he died, you asked to see


the records? Yes. How quickly did you work out what had happened? The


records in themselves that were sent to me were not complete. There were


a few crucial pages missing which confirmed he had not received all


his hydration, or his IV fluids. These pages I received after the


investigation when I pursued and pursued them, asking for an


explanation, or to give me these pages. So I received the pages


incomplete. I did a lot of research and I could see the responses given


by the hospital. The first response said they followed the best


principles of palliative care, and his organs were failing, he would


not have recovered anyway even with treatment. The second response told


me that his diagnosis of dying and his care was correct in all aspects.


I could see the information they were giving me did not match up with


the medical records. I am a non-medical person. What is your


background? It is quite something went doctors are telling you


something... Very senior doctors. And then everyone is saying they are


agreeing with a position which is very different from the position you


suspect. What was your background that made you sort of able to pick


through that and keep on fighting? It was odd to me that a very senior


palliative care physician was telling me that my father was dying


on a Wednesday morning, but it was okayed to consult me on a Thursday


evening. That sounded odd in itself. When I picked through the detail and


I could see it did not match up with his medical records, all that was


left was a prognosis that he was likely to die in the future. That


was really literally all that was left, when you removed the incorrect


statements made. This was a fight that went over three years. Yes! How


much toing and froing was there? I managed to get the final pages a


year and a half after he died, the puzzle fell into place because there


were nursing notes and you could see he had the, the fluids had not been


administered. I referred it to the ombudsman because the hospital did


not want to pursue it any further. And the ombudsman said you were


right? Yes. What was it like when you had that three? It was not a


surprise really. I had still believed at that point that my


father's organs had been at the end stage, that his background


conditions were terminal. But that was a shock to me, that he wasn't.


As far as we know, yours is the only case, where it has been assessed,


that the Liverpool care pathway did actually lead to the death of


somebody who otherwise would have survived? Yes, his withdrawal of


treatment, long before the Liverpool Care Pathway was in place, yes. His


reduction. If you reduce fluids and they sit medications in a healthy


person, you are going to cause deterioration, but if you do that to


an old man, you certainly are. The reason the Liverpool Care Pathway


was introduced was to try and ensure a dignified and comfortable death


for somebody who was certainly dying, but it has now been phased


out, because of concerns around why it was used. Do you think there are


other lessons? I think the new guidelines are deeply worrying and


repeat many of the same elements. The constant repetition in the new


guidelines about diagnosing the dying patient, as if they can beat


diagnosed. There is an inference that you can diagnose someone as


dying and you cannot. There is no clinical evidence. Once you make


that assumption and start removing treatment, it is a self-fulfilling


prophecy. What would you tell somebody if they have concerns if


they have a relative in hospital? You shouldn't have to do this but


I'm afraid you do, you have to be suspicious about what is going on,


and make sure your relatives is fully hydrated, orally and even IV.


Make sure IV fluids are all given, or if they are taken down, why they


are taken down. And be constantly aware that treatment and care can be


removed without being aware of it. Thank you.


We asked the Imperial College Healthcare Trust for a statement


The UK could be getting its first nuclear power plant for 20 years


at Hinkley Point in Somerset - we'll find out what impact


the decision will have on our energy prices and the environment.


And could your office job be bad for your health?


Scientists say you should do one hour of exercise every day to combat


the negative effects that sitting all day at work could have


Let's catch up on all the news with a meter. -- Anita.


Lloyds has announced this morning that it's cutting 3,000 jobs -


that's in addition to the 9,000 posts it said it was


It's also closing an additional 200 branches.


The bank - which is part state owned - warned that Brexit


could have an adverse impact on its future performance.


Britain's first new nuclear power plant for decades is expected


The board of the french energy firm EDF will make its final investment


Hinkley Point in Somerset will take a decade to build and will supply


7%of the UK's electricity over its estimated


It's scheduled to begin generating power in 2025, several


French police have formally identified the second of the two


attackers who killed an elderly priest in Rouen on Tuesday.


He's Abdelmalik Petitjean, who was 19 and from eastern France.


DNA tests have confirmed it his him after an identity card belonging


to Abdelmalik Petitjean was found in the house of the other


The group calling itself Islamic State has released video


footage, allegedly showing the two men pledging allegiance


Barack Obama has urged Democrats to unite to make Hillary Clinton


Closing the third day of the Democratic National Convention,


the outgoing President said his former rival


Mrs Clinton was the only choice for an optimistic America.


And the most qualified person ever to run for the White House.


Nearly 100 media organisations in Turkey are being closed down


as part of a crackdown following a failed coup


Almost 100 newspaper and broadcast journalists have also been arrested


The crackdown by Turkey's president has also targeted service personnel,


judges, government officials, school teachers and university heads.


A study of more than a million people has found that doing an hour


of activity a day could offset the health risks of sitting


The journal the Lancet has published a series of papers on the costs


of physical inactivity which is linked to an increased risk


of heart disease, diabetes and some cancers.


A lot of you getting in touch with your thoughts on whether terrorists'


photographs should be published, after one French newspaper said they


would not be doing it. One reviewer said they glory in the publicity,


deny them the gratification. John said, absolutely yes. Images of


atrocities should be published widely and honestly. Good for France


for banning images of the terrorists, we had to suppress our


impulses to their faces. Well done France, someone with sense. They


should not get media coverage anywhere. Anonymous text, I agree


with banning the faces of terrorists in the papers and all media, what


those murderers crave is that kind of fame and attention. Encouraging


other young people to follow. As a viewer I don't want to see the faces


of killers, we should focus on telling the stories of the victims.


I totally agree, Isis and other terrorist groups faces should not be


published. Videos should not be allowed on Facebook or similar


social media sites. Let them be treated as the insignificant cowards


that they are. Kevan Hurst texting, terrorism and publicity,


broadcasting needs to think about this is one as the medias. Nonstop


coverage by broadcasters leads into future terrorist incidents. Once


they are reported, some curtailment should happen to restore is a sense


of proportion. Well done to the French media, we give too much


coverage to the terrorists. Do keep that coming in. Hello, there


anticipation is growling ahead of next week's Olympic Games, written's


first athletes arriving in Brazil, beginning their preparations. Those


who have arrived in Belo Horizonte include Nicola Adams and the rest of


the boxing squad. They arrive against a difficult backdrop.


International Olympic Committee chief Thomas Bach has defended the


decision, after Vladimir Putin called it discrimination. Celtic


drew their first leg of their Champions League qualifier, 1-1.


Leigh Griffiths with a late goal. Johanna Konta through to the third


round of the Rogers cup in Montreal. The world number one, Jason Day,


says he is running on empty as the prepares to defend the USPGA


Championship in New Jersey later today. The Australian managing only


one practice round after spending time with his wife is suffered an


allergic reaction. More sport just after ten o'clock.


Prime Minister Theresa May is continuing her whirlwind


diplomacy tour of Europe with a visit to Poland.


She will meet Prime Minister Polish Prime Minister Szydlo.


It is expected they will discuss the ramifications of the UK's vote


to leave, including the residency status of the 850,000 Poles


that currently reside in the UK.


We can speak to Conservative MP Daniel Kawczynski who voted to leave


and originally came to Britain as a Polish immigrant in the 1970s.


Kate Fejfer who is a Polish community leader


and Ola Rybinska a polish journalist from Warsaw who can give us


Thank you for joining us. Kate, what will Polish people living here be


hoping for on freedom of movement? For us, important to make sure we


are safe, secure to stay here. Our rights to get a job and still work,


without losing care. Our Polish people feeling vulnerable about


their future? Yes, we have... I spoke to friends and clients, and


they are fearing for the future. You are a journalist in Poland, what


will Poland be wanting to get out of the Brecht it negotiations? I think


the first thing will be that Poland will want the UK to take a lot of


time to leave the European Union. Poland is hoping for Brett set after


2020. The Polish Prime Minister will try to convince Theresa May to take


time, this bone breaks it until 2020. The reason is simple, it is


about the EU funding. After 2020, the rules will change anyway for the


reallocation of EU funds. If the UK leaves before that, the rules will


change, and Poland will receive less money from the EU budget. This will


certainly be one thing you are telling us about the EU funds, what


about freedom of movement? Freedom of movement is important, but David


Cameron gave us guarantees, not much will change, at least for the Polish


people in the UK. Not such a big issue. We have, and the Polish


government has a lot of trust in the UK, that the rules will not change,


essentially. Theresa May has not given that guarantee. Let's bring in


Daniel. How should Theresa May handle the talks, balancing


written's interest on free trade, and the question of freedom of


movement? She has two obviously pursue what is in the British


National strategic interest. What will be vital is that we protect the


rights of the British citizens living in the European Union. There


are currently 1.8 million Britons living in the EU. 3 million EU


citizens living in the United Kingdom. I understand the polls want


to have safeguards for their continued residence in the United


Kingdom, that should come about, but only when we are given the same


guarantees for our citizens, currently living in the European


Union. Where do you see the balance of what is in the British interest?


850,000 Polish people living and working in the UK. Should they all


be allowed to stay? The free movement of people is a wonderful


concept in theory. In practice it has not worked, only to make


countries in the European Union. Ourselves and island-macro. English


is the international language, we have received a massively


disproportionate number of migrants from all over the European Union in


to come, work and live in the European union. I believe


immigration is good for our country, but it has to be managed. The


concern is that the Polish government has played to its own


domestic audience, to say to them we are standing up for your rights, to


live and work wherever you like in the European Union, but that is


unsustainable. Bad for Poland. Because there are cities and towns


rapidly becoming depopulated in Poland. They are having real


problems providing public services because of the brain drain. It is


bad for the United Kingdom, certain communities like Peterborough,


Boston, where local services are being overwhelmed by the sheer


numbers. Yes, let's protect people already here, but Syriza may must


ensure that wrecks it means breaks it. United Kingdom takes back


control of our borders. So we can decide who gets to come into our


country to work, if they have the relevant skills, matching our skills


shortages. Have you seen evidence of the brain drain? Yes, of course.


This is absolutely true. It would be in the interest Poland these people


came back. The problem is, I'm not sure we can assure jobs from all of


them. On the same level and position, certainly not for the same


money they get by working in the UK for the future. The Polish


government would like to get people back, the brain drain is bad for us.


The question is do we have jobs and housing for all these people? Kate,


you are concern is primarily with people here already. If there were


guarantees that people already here could stay, would that be what you


want? Do you have concerns about future freedom of movement? Or not


so much? Definitely, we still have family in Poland. Living in the UK,


we are still going for holidays. Automatically, this may be more


difficult for us. The future for us is very important, we still have


family, children, they go to school, university, we would like to know


what will happen. What has been the particular law of Britain for Polish


people? Why have they been particularly attractive to coming to


Britain in Europe? For the time, the financial programme. We don't have


enough Social Security in Poland. We are looking for a better life.


Depending where we are giving from experience, we may stay. Are we


coming back to Poland, which is not good, the level of life is better,


but still not enough to stay there. Talk about a seven year emergency


brake on freedom of movement, as part of a trade deal with the free


market, what do you think of that? No, I would be uncomfortable with


that. A lot of other Conservative Parliamentary colleagues would be


uncomfortable with anything which radically falls short of our ability


to take back control of our borders. As I said, immigration was the


number one issue at the last general election, quite extraordinary that


rather than the economy which has been the number one issue,


immigration was the number one issue at the last general election. People


expect us to take back control of our borders. The vast majority of


people in the United Kingdom unwelcoming, very tolerant to


foreigners. They understand the economic benefits to our country of


allowing people with skills to come and work. They do expect very keenly


that the government has the ability to control the numbers coming in.


Last year we had net migration of 350,000 into the country. Completely


unsustainable. To answer the other lady's point, Poland is grabbing at


a phenomenal pace. Its economy is growing at a faster rate than most


other countries in the European Union. Standards of living are going


up in Poland. Poland will ultimately reach the stain standard as we have


in the United Kingdom. -- the same standard. It is vital that Theresa


May explains to the Polish government that if we are going to


help Poland with various issues she has going forward, one of which is


security. They want a permanent Nato base east of Warsaw, if they want


that support on fundamentally important things they feel keenly


on, they must start to understand and respect some of the problems we


have in the United Kingdom with migration, and try to work with us,


so we can resolve them, in the interests of our own citizens.


And is there an understanding of the sort of arguments that Daniel is


talking about in Poland? Yes of course, there is. The point is that


most immigration we see from Poland to the UK is from very small towns.


It is from more or less the countryside where there is really


structural unemployment. The point is, if it was that easy to take


those people back and put them into work, the problem is, there is no


work, that is why they left. That problem hasn't been solved. But the


Polish economy is growing. Isn't it better to build a stronger economy


with their workforce? Of course, but it will not happen tomorrow or the


day after tomorrow. This will take years. We have structural problems


in Poland which need to be solved but the government has only just


started working on it. During that time there is no employment in these


regions where these people left for the UK. Of course, the Polish


government sees the arguments of the UK, and the British government sees


and understands the problems they have with migration, but I think a


compromise will have to be worked out. I then think all the posts will


be back immediately, and there will be a time for maybe a couple of


years that they will stay in the UK, and some kind of compromise will


have to be worked out. How quickly do you want deals to be sewn up? We


are thinking that article 50 may be invoked after Christmas, when


Article 50 is invoked we have a period up to two years for


renegotiation. I had a debate in the House of Commons just the other


week, about the contribution of polls in the UK, because I wanted to


explain to fellow parliamentarians and the extraordinary contribution


that Polish people have made to this country, not just in the recent


years, but most importantly during the Battle of Britain when the


Polish 303 Squadron was the most accessible Squadron in the Battle of


Britain. Polish people have made a huge contribution and their


reputation in this country is second to none. Most of the people I have


spoken to know Polish migrants to be hard-working, paying their taxes,


contributing to society, so they are the ideal type of migrants, and we


are very appreciative of their contribution. But the Polish economy


has grown by 500% since the fall of communism. It is continuing to grow


and I very much hope the Polish government will start to ensure


there are more jobs available for Polish workers, because the numbers


that have been coming over I just unsustainable, and yes, we must


protect the rights of the people who are here already, yes, first and


foremost we must protect the rights of British people in the European


Union, but the Polish government has the government around the European


Union and must now understand that we want to trade with them, we want


to cooperate with them in terms of security, but there is free movement


of -- this free movement of people concept coming to the United Kingdom


is gone. We gave them a chance repeatedly in the negotiations. Mr


Cameron went over and over again to Warsaw, to explain how difficult it


was to deal with these numbers. They chose to ignore our concerns. That


is why we are pulling out of the European Union, and that is why this


concept of completely controlled migration to this country, those


days are gone. Daniel, Kate and Ola, thank you. Coming up...


Are prisons able to cope with older inmates?


A watchdog says many age-related conditions like dementia


The crackdown in Turkey following the failed coup is continuing with


the dismissal or a rest of thousands of people from all walks of life.


The military, the media and education officials, more than 100


media outlets were ordered to close yesterday. Dozens of journalists


have been arrested in recent days. Yesterday we spoke to Yavuz Baydar,


who has 40 years' experience as a journalist and was the founding


member of Platform for That was before this latest


round of closures - We are not revealing his location


due to concerns for his safety. Thank you very much for joining us


again. Since we spoke, there has been more of a crackdown, what is


your reaction to it? The most recent news piece is younger, investigative


reporter, was caught by police and this is a reporter awarded the


runner-up in the EU investigative reporting award this year. That is


the latest peace. And then the decree last night, the massive


closure of as you said, more than 100 news outlets, about 45


newspapers, 16 TV stations and radio stations and three news agencies.


This is a large bulk of whatever remains in a semi-independent


segment of the media. That is continuing and increasing a growing


clamp-down of media segments in Turkey. What is left in terms of


freedom of speech in Turkey? Our investigations are monitoring


reports... INAUDIBLE


Now we have a few tiny news sites, sort of left-leaning or centre


independent but struggling financially, four or five


newspapers, one with editors sentenced to five years in prison


at, another one the editor in chief is in prison and has threats over


his life. There are three or four newspapers, mainly left and one


Kurdish newspaper and no TV channel at all at the moment which can


report independently and freely at the moment in Turkey. You mentioned


some news sites, is the Internet still freely accessible? That is not


freely accessible. The emergency rule regulations, the law about


emergency rule approved without the concerns of the Internet, because it


is rather old, so it falls out of the jurisdiction of emergency rule,


that is why we did not see any lists of news sites in this one last


night, but a disk all upon the jurisdiction of the so-called peace


Courts, also strictly controlled by the Justice ministry at the moment.


It is the Internet, the bounds of new sites will continue to be


decided by the courts and judges. Lots of people have been arrested


and there have been concerns voiced by Amnesty International as well as


other organisations about what is happening to them in custody, how


easy is it to monitor what is going on and what sort of access to those


who are arrested have to any legal representation?


There are -- due to the severely restricted conditions of the media,


we have severe difficulties to understand the breadth of the


round-up. Also, human rights organisations like you and rights


watch and Anstey International are also having difficulties for access


-- Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. The less free the


media is, the more curved the media is, the more it more difficulties we


will have two establish the facts. What is your view of where things


are going to go in Turkey? The pattern leaves very little doubt


about whether or not democratic position in Parmenter, the main


opposition and the second opposition and perhaps more importantly the


third-largest party in parliament, whether they will be establishing or


forming enough of a strong enough by now Mick for returning to


normalisation process. As one critical columnist pointed out this


morning, he said, ironically, Erdogan is ready to listen to the


opposition and to agree with the opposition, as far as the opposition


does not object to whatever he wants. The pattern is by the decrees


which means authoritarian and arbitrary rule. Turkey is drifting


more and more towards an authoritarian rule, because now,


given the... 145 generals were dismissed last night


by a decree, which means half of the total generals in the Turkish army.


The Armed Forces are also at its weakest point, state institutions


are mainly controlled by President Erdogan and the government, which


means everything is now to be described in terms of arbitrariness.


Unfortunately, the opposition is weak, scattered and NGOs are also


under the threat of the strict regulations by the emergency rule.


The judges were given immense jurisdiction for closing, seizures,


appropriation of the properties, so it is a very precarious situation.


It is a very delicate stage of things at the moment. Yavuz Baydar,


thank you for joining us, a journalist with 40 years experience.


Sorry about the problems with the line there but I think we could hear


most of what he was saying. In the wake of the attacks in France


- some French media say they will no longer publish the names and photos


of terrorists - Now, let's catch up with the latest


weather update. Carol is looking very sunny.


Thank you. The rain is moving from the west to the east, but we do have


a beautiful picture sent in from one of our BBC Weather Watchers of


Swanage in Dorset where it is sunny. You can see already the cloud is


romping from the west to east. The whitest cloud is where we do have


some rain at the moment. That rain is heaviest anywhere from the


Midlands northwards and lighter from the Midlands southwards. The whole


lot is driving over towards the North Sea. The hind it, some


brighter skies, some sunshine and also the risk this afternoon of some


thunderstorms, particularly so across the Midlands. As we drift


westwards, you can see we are expecting some spells. The showers


will be hit and miss. At times there will be more cloud around. Across


the Midlands we have rain extending across Scotland and into Northern


Ireland. North of that, a lot of dry and bright weather in Scotland apart


from the north and Western Isles and the North Mainland where we will see


some showers. The showers this evening and overnight will slowly


started to descend southwards. The rain across Northern Ireland and


Scotland is doing the same thing, pushing into Wales and the


south-west. Just ahead of it, you could catch one or two showers.


Tomorrow, here is our weather front bearing that rain. Showery outbreaks


pushing down to the south. Behind it, there will be sunny spells or


bright spells. Quite a lot of showers across the north and west of


Scotland. Temperatures 13 to 22 in the south-east. Then for the


weekend, this weather front continues to drift down towards the


south-east, and tends to fizzle. For Friday, and into the weekend, we


lose the warmth behind that weather front and cool air streams in as a


north-westerly dominates the weather but it will only be a breeze so it


will feel cooler rather than cold, but it will feel a lot colder by


night and paired with what we have been used to in many parts.


Saturday, a mixture of bright spells and showers but the emphasis is on


more dry weather than wet. Feeling warm in the south-east. Then a quick


look at Sunday. Bright spells, sunny spells or showers, but the emphasis


is on the dry weather, rather than the wet. If you are camping at any


of the festivals it will feel cool by night.


I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme


if you've just joined us, coming up before 11.


Lloyds has announced it's cutting a further 3,000 jobs and closing 200


more branches by the end of next year.


The bank is part state-owned and is warning that uncertainty


surrounding the Brexit vote could affect its profits in future.


It's already in the middle of cutting 9,000 posts.


The bank reported a ?2.5 billion pre-tax profit for the half


The first new nuclear power plant in the UK for decades is expected to be


given the go-ahead to. The French company EDF will be financing most


of the project and is holding a board meeting in Paris where it is


expected to approve the investment. A daughter has told this programme


how her dad died after doctors wrongly decided that his life


could not be saved after he was put on the notorious and now discredited


end of life care plan called It looked like was battling for


life, not ready to let go. To intervene when it looked like his


organs were failing. France is banning terrorist


photographs in the media, saying it gives them the publicity that they


crave. Lloyds has announced it's cutting


a further 3,000 jobs and closing 200 more branches by the end


of next year. The bank is part state-owned


and is warning that uncertainty surrounding the Brexit vote


could affect its profits in future. It's already in the middle


of cutting 9,000 posts. The bank reported a ?2.5 billion


pre-tax profit for the half The first new nuclear power plant


in the UK for decades is expected The French company EDF


will be financing most French police have formally


identified the second of the two attackers who killed an elderly


priest in Rouen on Tuesday. He's Abdelmalik Petitjean,


who was 19 and from eastern France. His identity card had been found


in the house of the other attacker, earlier identified as Adel Kermiche


and DNA tests confirmed it was him. He was shot dead by police


as he tried to flee the scene Campaigners have won Italians at the


Supreme Court against the Scottish Government's proposes to appoint a


named person for every child. A point of contact such as headteacher


would be assigned to look after children under 18. Campaigners say


it breaches the human rights of parents.


Barack Obama has urged Democrats to unite behind Hillary Clinton


as the most qualified person ever to run for the White House.


Closing the third day of the Democratic National Convention,


the outgoing President praised Mrs Clinton as someone


A daughter has told this programme how her dad died after doctors


wrongly decided that his life could not be saved after he was put


on the notorious and now discredited end of life care plan called


Josef Boberek was admitted to Hammersmith hospital


with a chest infection, but a wrong decision meant fluids


Jayne Boberek who fought for three years to get the truth said


she still has concerns about hospital procedures.


I think the new guidelines are deeply worrying and repeat


The constant repetition in the new guidelines


about diagnosing the dying patient as if they can be diagnosed.


There is an inference that you can diagnose somebody as dying


and you cannot there is no clinical evidence that you can do that.


And once you make that assumption and start removing treatment,


Britain's first new nuclear power plant for decades is expected


The board of the French energy firm EDF will make its final decision


Hinkley Point in Somerset will take a decade to build and will supply


7%of the UK's electricity over its lifetime of 60 years.


But the project remains controversial - critics say the UK


has guaranteed too high a price for its power


Russia says it is working with the Syrian army to open humanitarian


corridors to allow evil to leave the besieged city of Aleppo. It is also


said Syrian fighters will be allowed to leave. They comes after all


supply lines to the east of Aleppo had been cut. Charities are warning


of a deepening humanitarian crisis in the city. A lot of you getting in


touch with our -- after our interview about the man put on the


Liverpool care pathway plan. Seeing in hearing how a lovely elderly


gentleman was made to suffer the LCP method for his last days and hours,


my mother was killed in the same way. I had the same experience, my


mother spent a last days after the lot of a Liverpool care pathway, if


I add with this book. And if that each thing is its this is an healthy


he effect you can even those let's catch up with the sport. So


much to look forward to. The Great Britain team arriving in Brazil


ahead of the games. Their training camp is in Belo Horizonte, 273 miles


from Rio, where the games open next Friday. British officials believe


their facilities are the best in the country. Not the individual national


bodies, we are going as Team GB, trying to unite the team, bringing


together to take on the world in the greatest challenge of their lives.


Russian athletes who have not been banned are arriving in Rio. Much


criticism of the IOC, and deposition not to ban the entire Russian team


after a state-sponsored doping programme was uncovered. IOC


president Thomas Bach has been justifying his decision. It is


appreciated, on the one hand, we are sanctioning the system, but on the


other hand, we give athletes who are not part of the system the


opportunity to demonstrate this. Some of today's football stories.


Brendan Rodgers called Celtic's 1-1 draw in their Champions League


qualifier in Kazakhstan outstanding. They went behind early on, but their


hopes of qualifying for the group stages for the first time since 2013


was lifted by Leigh Griffiths' late equaliser. The next leg is next week


in Glasgow. High-profile pre-season friendlies continue all over the


world. Chelsea beat Liverpool, Gary Cahill scoring the only goal of the


game in front of 50,000 people at the Rose Bowl in California. Cesc


Fabregas sent off in the second half for this challenge. Transfer news,


Manchester City are thought to be close to agreeing a fee with Everton


for their defender John Stones. Everton likely to ?150 million for


the 22-year-old, part of England's squad at Euro 2016. He came close to


joining Chelsea last summer. Johanna Konta through to the third round of


the Rogers cup in Montreal. She won her first tour title last weekend.


She beat the American qualifier in straight sets. She will play another


American in the next round. After the tournament she will head to Rio


for the Olympics. One person who will not be there is golf's world


number four, Rory McIlroy. With the USPGA championship darting later in


New Jersey, the former world number one is hoping for a return to form,


after winning four major titles between 2012 and 2014, he has failed


to win one since, but he doesn't believe he's far-away. 2012, three


to 2014, I averaged one major a year. No reason why I cannot do that


for the foreseeable future. That is my benchmark, I feel like I can


attain that, and play my best golf. Sometimes it is hard to come up with


your best golf each and every week, but I feel it is attainable. The


women's British Open is under way at Woburn. Live coverage from one


o'clock this afternoon. Prisons are ill-prepared to deal


with our ageing population, that's according to the Prisons


and Probation Ombudsman who says age-related conditions like dementia


are being overlooked, with prison staff unable to properly


assess or care for older prisoners. The Ombudsman singled out


the example of a 77-year-old inmate who remained handcuffed


while in hospital with pneumonia. His condition deteriorated and yet


he remain handcuffed For more on this story I'm joined


by Peter Dawson, the Deputy Director of the Prison Reform Trust,


Mary Piper - a trustee at the Restore Support Network


which works with older offenders - Ian Weatherhead, Senior


Admiral Nurse with Dementia UK, and Eric Allison,


the Guardian's Prison Correspondent Peter, you are soon to be director


of the Prison Reform Trust. Give us your reaction, to this report? It is


a worrying case. Terribly predictable. We publish a report in


2003 saying this issue was coming because of the number of people


serving longer sentences, older people sentenced for the first time.


It is the fastest-growing section of the prison population. You've


flagged it in 2003, what is being done to tackle the needs? In some


places, really good work. As is so often in prisons, the good work does


not occur everywhere. During that period, the resources available to


prisons to deal with these complex issues, just as complex as the


community, in some ways, more so. Those resources have been cut


erratically by 30% in public prisons in the last three years. The most


precious commodity, time, time to get to know people, to understand


issues, to understand where people's condition may be changing. That is


the commodity we have lost. Your organisation represents older


prisoners, is this something you have been concerned about? Like the


one picked out by the ombudsman today? Yes I'm a trustee of Restore,


a user led organisation for older prisoners. This is a matter of


concern. I am also a medical practitioner, so I would like to put


it into context. Prisons are not islands, they are part of the


community. People who come into prison come from the community.


Prisons, since 2006, all people in prison are NHS patients. Since the


1st of April, 2015, local authorities have a responsibility to


meet the social care needs of people in prison. Of course this is a


worrying report. A deeply distressing event. Prisons are not


there on their own, coping with this. This is a partnership, for the


NHS, and for local authorities to assist. In practice, what are you


seeing, are they working well together?


I think as Peter says, it is patchy. We have only had one year of local


authorities being responsible for social care. There was research by


the Association of directors of social services, which showed that


some prisons are faring people and they are being assessed, but a very


large percentage, still that relationship has to be embedded.


Ian, you are to mention nurse, anyone who has had or had as a


relative with dementia, knows the difficulties of looking after


somebody with dementia. Do you think prison is a place for somebody with


dementia? That is obviously a very difficult question and will depend


on individual to individual. I think if people are developing dementia


within an institution, within a prison setting, one has to look at


that individual as the disease progresses. Prison environments


would cause problems for somebody with dementia. The problem in a


prison is it can be harder to identify compared with a community


setting. Why's that? Because of the structure and the routine. And


because they are not with people who know them well? And we all function


better within our own homes. Are you seeing something which could look


like dementia in prison might not be dementia or that prison could bring


an dementia? It may not bring an dementia but it may not be noticed


because of the routine that people go through on a day-to-day basis. It


is only when different aspects of the illness, different behaviours,


and different idiosyncrasies that somebody may come out with, more


confused, more forgetfulness, inappropriate behaviour, that is


when Sandie may start flagging up there is an issue but it may go


unnoticed for quite a long time. We are also joined by Eric Allison, the


Guardian's prison correspondent. You spent many years in prison and I


know you have contact with older prisoners. Is this something you


have been looking at? Yes, and sadly, the case of this 77-year-old


man is not unusual. Elderly and infirm prisoners who cannot possibly


present a danger routinely handcuffed when they go to prison. I


have come across cases where people have died in handcuffs. Peter, is


prison a place for somebody with dementia? Should someone with


dementia be handcuffed? Two different issues. People get a


sentence from the court. If people are dying, it is possible for people


to be released on compassionate grounds. Governors also have the


power to release people temporarily, and one of the things that the


ombudsman says is that power is not used enough. The handcuffing issue,


it is very reminiscent of debates we had years ago about women who were


pregnant and were being handcuffed. There were a series of cases which


came to light where people said, what on earth are we doing? I think


we should have a sense of deja vu that this should be a wake-up call.


Again, it is down to time. One of the things prison managers are


expected to do is go to a hospital where someone is being cared for and


check if the level of security is appropriate. I cannot believe if a


manager had had time to go out, they would have said this person needs to


be chained up when clearly, they are not only near the end of their life


but also not in a position to escape. When you say about letting


some doubt on a temporary basis, is that for an assessment? It can be to


work, to volunteer, to live. It could be the most compassionate


thing to do for somebody who's not coping well in prison and is near


the end of their life. It is difficult. Some of these people are


serving very long sentences for very serious crimes so there is a


judgment in every case. Could almost see a loophole opening up but if


dementia becomes a ticket out of jail, someone could put on the


symptoms? I do not think that is a real risk. Do you think that is a


risk? I suspect not. I think with the appropriate services and a


psychiatrist with the right expertise going support the prison


staff I think that is a greater reduced risk of that happening.


Mary? I agree. I would like to go back to what you were talking about


before, about dementia and other conditions, and in research


undertaken many years ago, looking at older people in prison, their


mental health, actually 30% of the men in that sample had a depressive


illness, and only a small percentage dementia. I think that from our


perspective, we would want the right services to be available to people


in prison. For older prisoners, just like older people in the community,


to have access to appropriate services with an accurate diagnosis.


Old-age medicine is complex. We had GPs in prison but the older


prisoners should be referred to the specialist services in just the same


way as they would be if they were living in their own home. And Peter,


as you have said, all of that stuff is expensive. Do you see any signs


of this being an issue that will be invested in? The huge dilemma for


the prison service is the work does not match the resources at the


moment. You can either increase the resources or you can reduce the


work, and if we sent people to prison for shorter sentences, and


not so many people, then we would have less work to do and the people


who really needed to be there could get the care they are entitled to.


Thank you for joining us. We unfortunately lost our


communications with Eric after we heard a brief word from him. In a


statement the Ministry of Justice said the


Could your office job be bad for your health?


According to scientists you should do one hour of physical activity


a day to combat the negative effects a desk job could have


The new nuclear plant to be built at Hinkley Point in Somerset,


is set to get it's final approval later today.


The French firm EDF - which will finance most


of the 18 billion pound project - is holding a board meeting


at which it is expected to approve the investment.


Following that agreement, legally-binding contracts will be


signed and construction work can begin on what will be the UK's first


new nuclear power plant in more than 20 years.


I'm joined by Dr Jenifer Baxter, Head of Energy and Environment


at the Institute of mechanical Engineers and Molly Scott Cato


who is a Green MEP for South West England.


Jennifer, what is your response to this? Broadly speaking, I think it


is important for the nuclear skills in the UK, it brings high value


opportunities for people living in the south-west. And if I can come to


you all so, Molly, what is your reaction? I'm very concerned that in


order to persuade EDF and the Chinese companies, we have had to


offer them a huge price for the electricity and an enormous subsidy


so it will be three times the market price and we are tied into that deal


for 35 years so it will make it more expensive for us to pay our


electricity bills, and will also put pressure on companies who will have


to pay high prices and cannot compete with foreign investors.


There was talk about this not going ahead because of Brexit. It is


clearly seen as a viable proposition? I think Brexit will not


make a significant difference. We are very close to France and we will


continue to work very closely with them as engineers. And in terms of


the costs of the energy that will be produced for consumers, we were


hearing there from Molly concerns about that. What is your view on


that? The cost of electricity depends on a number of factors. It


is not just what a facility is producing but also other types of


electricity coming onto the grid. Over the next ten years it is very


likely we will see a lot of investment and the renewable sector.


It may be that it does not end up being more expensive, but there is


no denying that any large infrastructure project like this


will cost a significant amount of money. Is there a sustainable energy


policy without nuclear in this country? At the moment we are in a


position of transition. This transition has come about because of


some of the consequences of success, and that is pushing large amounts of


renewables onto the grid. At the moment, we cannot quite manage how


they are distributed and at what times of day. We have a very limited


storage window and we are looking at new innovation around demand site


management. We could get to a point where we will be completely


sustained by renewable resources? There will always need to be a base


level and it goes up and down at different times of the day. What we


need to be sure is we don't not have that electricity that all of our


hospitals and critical services are well taken care of. In the future,


looking ten or 15 years away, there will be a lot of changes. We will


learn how to manage the renewables on the grid so very large projects


like Hinckley, we may not need so many in the future. Molly Scott


Cato, when you hear that argument, how would you respond to that? We


could not do it at the moment without a nuclear plant? I agree we


are seeing huge changes and innovations in the renewable market


and energy generally, which is why it is a bad idea to tie ourselves


into this high energy price over 35 years. I am concerned because I


represent the south-west and this is an important investment for


Somerset, but actually, it will only create 900 permanent jobs and


renewables, if we really put our money into them we could create over


120,000 jobs just in the south-west. In terms of making sure the lights


stay on and everything else in the meantime, is there really any other


answer other than this? Hinkley is making it likely we will have an


energy gap because it is an untested technology and it will be ten years


before we get any energy from Hinkley and the two other places


where they have tried to build this reactor have failed and they are


years behind schedule. It will be a good idea to put our future in the


renewables basket. But it is not there now? It absolutely is there


now. Renewable technology is working. We are making it important


advances in terms of storage. The boss of the National Grid himself


has said the baseload concept is an obsolete concept now and we need to


have more diversify technology and focus on matching supply and demand.


Jenifer, Molly says renewable mix our resources less reliable? We are


in a transition point. At times we have too much electricity and we are


paying through consumers at these for companies to turn up and use


that electricity. We are not in a place and there is not likely to be


at any time soon that we will have storage which will last longer than


three or four hours. We do need to have some form of baseload. It can


come from nuclear or fossil fuels. We should have some form of carbon


capture and storage to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide going into


the atmosphere, and nuclear does very well there. It is very low


emissions. Doctor Jenifer Baxter and Molly Scott Cato, thank you both


very much. Judges at the High Court of Scotland


have ruled against the controversial named Person scheme. Judges say some


proposals breach rights to privacy and family life. Our correspondent


Stephen God and is in Edinburgh. Tell us what the thinking was behind


this policy? I think it has been a controversial policy ever since it


was introduced a couple of years ago, voted through unanimously but


since then the controversy has snowballed culminating in today's


decision. I think it is useful to look at the background to this, what


exactly is the named person scheme? You touched on it in your


introduction. It would mean every child from zero to 18 in Scotland


would have a state appointed named person. That would be a teacher or


health visitor who would offer additional support to a family, if


it was felt it was needed. The Scottish Government say it would


provide a vital safety net across communities to ensure that children


don't slip through that net. But opponents of its day it is an


unjustifiable intrusion into family life. The opponents took their


concerns, first of all to the Court of Session here in Edinburgh who


dismissed their concerns and said they were guilty of hyperbole. Then


they took it to the Supreme Court of the UK. The Supreme Court ruling was


today. The judges had two days of evidence in March and since then,


the five judges have spent time considering what they heard over


those two days, and they have given us their judgment. In some ways, it


is a double-edged sword. They have ruled it cannot go ahead in its


current form. They say the aim of act is benign but the problem they


have with it is the way particularly the Scottish Government are


proposing to share information. They say it is unlawful and does not


comply with European Convention on human rights. Those defective


provisions they say mean it cannot be brought into force. What is key


now is the timetable. It was due to come into effect on the 31st of


August, so the end of next month. That cannot now happen. The Scottish


Government have been given 42 days to come up with a timetable which


would mean making the changes which mean the legislation could comply


with the Supreme Court findings. The Deputy First Minister John Swinney


says they are absolutely committed to the policy. Thank you. Still to


come... In the wake of the attacks in France


- some French media say they will no longer publish the names and photos


of terrorists - we want And could your office job be


bad for your health? Scientists say you should do one


hour of exercise every day to combat the negative effects that sitting


all day at work could have Let's catch up on the news with


Anita. Lloyds has announced it's cutting


a further 3,000 jobs and closing 200 more branches by the end


of next year. The bank is part state-owned


and is warning that uncertainty surrounding the Brexit vote


could affect its profits in future. It's already in the middle


of cutting 9,000 posts. The bank reported a ?2.5 billion


pre-tax profit for the half Campaigners have won in the High


Court against the Scottish Cabinet but that as the name of a garden for


each and every child under 18. Opponents argue that the breach the


human rights of parents. Britain's first new nuclear power


plant for decades is expected The board of the french energy firm


EDF will make its final decision Hinkley Point in Somerset will take


a decade to build and will supply 7% of the UK's electricity


over its lifetime of 60 years. But the project remains


controversial - critics say the UK has guaranteed too high


a price for its power President Hollande says France will


former National Guard to better protect the country from terrorist


attacks. French police have formally


identified the second of the two attackers who killed an elderly


priest in Rouen on Tuesday. He's Abdelmalik Petitjean,


who was 19 and from eastern France. His identity card had been found


in the house of the other attacker, earlier identified as Adel Kermiche


and DNA tests confirmed it was him. He was shot dead by police


as he tried to flee the scene A daughter has told this programme


how her dad died after doctors wrongly decided that his life


could not be saved after he was put on the notorious and now discredited


end of life care plan called Josef Boberek was admitted


to Hammersmith hospital with a chest infection,


but a wrong decision meant fluids It meant fluids and medication were


withdrawn for him. The NHS Trust has apologised. Russia says they're


working with Syrian fighters to open humanitarian escape lines from the


city of Olympia. Humanitarian bodies are warning of a deepening crisis in


the city. If you sit behind a desk in your job


a new study suggests an hour's light exercise a day could help you avoid


an early death. The medical journal the Lancet has


published a series of papers The research claims it's linked


to increased risks of heart disease, That's a summary of the latest news,


join me for BBC Newsroom The anticipation is growing ahead


of next week's Olympic Games, with Britain's first athletes having


already arrived in Brazil Those who have arrived


in Belo Horizonte include Nicola Adams and the rest


of the boxing squad. Well, they arrive against


a difficult backdrop - International Olympic Committee


President Thomas Bach has defended the controversial decision not


to ban the entire Russian team. He says it's to give


clean athletes a chance. Celtic came from behind


in Kazakhstan to draw their Champions League third


round qualifier first leg against Astana -


thanks to a late goal from striker The second leg at Parkhead


is next weekend. Johanna Konta is through


to the third round of The British number one,


beat American qualifier Vania King in straight


sets 7-5, 6-1. Rory McIlroy is hoping to return to


form at the final golf major the season, the USPGA in New Jersey. He


has not biggie-macro majoring two years. --


he has not won major FIFA years. France is still reeling


from the murder of an innocent, defenceless priest, at the hand


of IS terrorists, earlier this week. It's the latest in a string


of attacks on the French people over Now a French Newspaper has announced


it's changing the way it It says it'll no longer publish any


photos of the terrorists responsible, to stop them


from being glorified. It's also refusing to print any


of the propaganda material that terrorists post online,


or any of the claims IS make This is the editorial published


by Le Monde's director For us, this battle cannot be


considered an exclusive cause intelligence agencies


or politicians. This battle concerns


all components of society and primarily our media landscape,


restructured by the After the Nice Attack,


we are publishing no more images of terrorists,


perpetrator of killings We can speak now to


Christian Makarian, who's the editor of L'Express -


a French magazine. And here with me to discuss


the decisions is David Aaronivitch, Rachel Johnson, who writes


for the Mail on Sunday. Jonathan Russell, from


the counter-extremist think tank Qullium, and Jacqui Putnam


who survived the London tube Thank you for joining us. Christian,


you are and editor in France, will you do the same? I don't think so.


Even if there is a very good intention, we can have very many


doubts on the effects of the good intention. The intention is good,


the media does not want to bury their head in the sand. They take


seriously into consideration the possible responsibility of the media


in the Isis propaganda throughout Europe. This is good, showing that


the media does not want to stay apart. They are also part of the


fight against this horrible propaganda. This is for the good


part. I have many doubts. As do many other journalists in Paris. Are we


sure this is a way of reacting against a sophisticated propaganda,


like Isis? In other words, I don't think Isis propaganda is frail, and


can be fought by anonymity. I recall anonymity is thought by people


changing their identity. Going to Syria, they use other passports and


names. They play with identity themselves. I am not sure hiding


their identity or faces is a very efficient way to fight this very


deep propaganda. That works in the minds and the brains. Nevertheless,


I think some of the media has the right to take the decision. Jackie,


you survive the 77 bombings, how do you feel when you see the faces of


terrorists in newspapers? I would not rather not remember them. The


people that should be remembered people who died survive. I don't


think giving them the oxygen of publicity is doing any good. I


understand everyone needs to know who they are, but the general public


do not. The anti-terrorist people do. I don't want to know the name of


a man who killed the priest. Is that because of personal sensitivity, or


wider concerns about what is in the public interest? It is the second. I


don't think it is in the public interest to encourage people to


think if they perpetrate such a terrible event, making this happen,


I don't think it is good to give them the publicity. They seek it. I


would like to deny them that. David, do you think it is right to deny


them? The first responsibility that journalists have in a democracy is


to give people the information, what is going on, tell the truth. I am


afraid to say, other considerations that are important, and sometimes


become pre-eminent, they are usually secondary. The first issue, where


does the logic of this take you. The thing that most sparks people do


acts of terrorism is not that they have been name, but the acts


themselves. Should you give publicity to acts of terror? If you


suppress it, you might not giving people the information they need.


How does the picture gives somebody information present people have a


great deal of curiosity. Giving them the capacity to understand the


location. Even the picture of the person themselves. It will tell them


something about their rage, the kind of person they are. But they think


the cost of showing that picture is some kind of incredible publicity


that otherwise this person would not get, let's say, on the Internet.


Which is actually where probably most of the self sterilising takes


place. Rachel, do you think they should be published? No, I don't. It


was time for a futile gesture, as someone said. I like the fact that


France take the lead, not putting on front pages mugshots of terrorists.


It is contagious. 247 people have died in six countries over the


summer. We cannot name a single number of these people. The killers


have been publicised. Do you think it is the pictures out there? Is the


crisis of toxic masculinity. As will the radicalisation and jihadist


glorification of these men. It is not the 72 virgins in heaven, it is


everybody will be looking at their faces on the front page, that has to


be part of it. Quite right not to put them on. What do you think?


There are two types of jihadists propaganda. The pieces of video


content they will put out, Isis coming through the Internet. The


second propaganda is the propaganda of the deed. In the last 53 days,


with the 72 attacks claimed by jihadists. They know there will be a


constant stream of media attention, causes, motivations, and to the


individuals carrying them out, they know they can stay relevant by


creating something so barbaric and shocking, the media cannot help but


publish it. I'm glad there is a discussion about how they publish


it. How they follow that. Whether there is information so the public


can keep themselves safe. To understand the authorities are


taking appropriate action. I'm glad Le


Monde has taken a stand, saying not gay to glorify you in this way, not


the publicity they crave. What about the fact it is on the Internet


anyway? The social media and Internet aspects is part of this,


too. For them to say they are part of the full-spectrum response. Not


just looking to the security services, the military and the


government to keep us safe, but civil society has a role to play. I


think it is Le temporary standing up saying, it is not just their


response, what can you do? I am not going to publish stills of Isis


propaganda, I am not going to do this, I'm going to remember those


who have died. I'm going to do something productive to turn the


tide I completely understand the impulse


and there are all kinds of places that journalists exercise restraint.


We do it when we report suicide, four example. The first thing is,


you have to be careful where this leads to. It is not actually the


role of the media to do some of the things you have been talking about.


You may wish that we do but actually, the information aspect of


education and democracy is the main functional role of the media. If you


in any substantial way start restricting the information you put


out, because you are afraid of the impact that information may have, in


that case, you are beginning the act of self censorship, which means you


see yourself as part of a mobilised force in society, rather than a


force which looks at that society and reports back to itself. David is


making a Freedom of Information point. It is not as if news agencies


are required by law to put this information in. The editor has


exercised his right to do so. I take the point that if mainstream media


decides to be much more selective about what information it that is


out there, and I think it should, because the daily atrocity factor we


have been living through means we all feel we do not want to go to


France or go to Turkey. It is having a direct impact on people's live as


a result of the media coverage. But if Isis think the mainstream media


will not cover it, they might do other things like streaming of


atrocities and mounted on their own platforms. Let them do that but I do


not like to see it on the front pages. People have a choice about


whether to buy a newspaper or listen to the radio. But it is everywhere.


In America after the Twin Towers fell, the bereaved families had to


join together to ask the media and to get a law, I could be wrong about


whether it is a law or not, but to actually stop them filming, showing


these films again and again and again. And I met a lady whose mother


died on one of the planes, and she worked very hard to make sure that


they could stop this, it is almost a pornography, isn't it? People forget


that these are real lives which have been affected. We need to know these


things are happening but we don't need to glorify the people who are


doing it. I take your point, David, about the democracy and the need to


know and they need to inform, but we don't need to lionise these people,


we don't need to make them into an Isis superstar, we don't. Other


media organisations in France are following Le Monde's decision not to


publish names, how do you guard against the kind of lionise Asian


that we were hearing described there? There are other places making


that decision. But what are we talking about? Changing the rules of


democracy, regarding the media, just because that is supposedly, it has


an effect on, and amplification of Isis propaganda, is also a way to


give Isis a victory inside the media landscape in the democracies. I


think the answer is not simple, I don't say yes or no, I say it is


very complex, to establish a link between their propaganda and what we


call the glorification. I have never seen a newspaper, magazine, TV or


radio in France or refine the murderers, never. So this notion of


glorification has to be defined clearly. That is the first point.


The second point is, personally as a journalist, I refuse to give up and


change the rules of democracy, just because it can have this or that


type of effect that I cannot evaluate. So it also has to be taken


in consideration, in this crucial debate, and finally, the last


argument, these people, are we sure that they look for fame? Or do they


look for blood? You can say that fame can help them to make more


massacres of things like that, but you have to demonstrate it. Is that


their propaganda is very sophisticated. It is in their way of


thinking, or in their way of not thinking, but it is very difficult


to fight just with a question of image. It has to be found by the


media, in the core of it, in the way it works, for instance, there is a


crucial fact which is the age of the murderers. They are all very young


people. This has to be examined. And on that point, the fact they are


young people, the fact that the names and pictures are out there,


that a lot of digging goes on about the lives behind these people who


have committed whatever they have committed and stories emerge about


the lives which are perhaps that odds with the message they want to


put out, which is it is being done in the name of religion, the sort of


reasons that are put out there? That is right. And while the French press


has been responsible historically on this point, we have to remember that


right here in the UK, we live streamed a press conference in which


an organisation called jihadi John a beautiful young man. We had a


magazine, Rollingstone Magazine put the Boston bomb up on its front


cover and called him the bomber as if he was some sort of music star.


It is outrageous? Should that be banned? Dodig should be banned and I


don't think it is the job of governments or press regulators to


say this is how you should do it, but within a free speech debate, I


think media editors can take that decision themselves, and if they


want to be responsible within that, just as they do want covering


stories of suicide, that is fine, and should be encouraged, and should


be replicated if they can on social media as well. This is why it has to


be taken out of the government 's fear and into the public debate as


we are doing now. A lot of people getting in touch. Jay says we should


certainly name these murdering terrorists, the more we know, the


better we can protect ourselves. Another says all media should not


publicise anything to do with Isis or any organisation, a total media


blackout needed. Thank you for your comments and thank you for joining


us as well. Some news just coming


in to us this morning. Stockport's Stepping Hill hospital


has confirmed that it's to cut 350 full time jobs and close a ward due


to budget pressures. The hospital is ?40 million


in deficit and plans The hospital trust says it's hoping


the posts can be lost How many times do you get up


from your desk and go for a walk - even if it's just to grab some fresh


air during your lunch? Well, not enough according


to new research. It's found that doing at least one


hour of "brisk walking" each day, could offset the risks of early


death linked to a Let's talk to Lauretta Johnnie,


a personal trainer and the founder of Full Figured Fitness


and Lucy Wilkinson, a senior cardiac nurse at the British Heart


Foundation. Thank you both for joining us. What


do you make of this research, do you think we are spending too much time


at our desks and it is damaging our health, the researchers are saying


more than smoking? It is interesting looking at these large reports and


the suggestion that an hour of brisk walking could offset the eight hours


of sitting at a desk a day. It is a subject that we need to approach.


Physical inactivity is a huge problem worldwide. The World Health


Organisation says it is the fourth leading risk factor for mortality


worldwide. It is something we need to address and we need to make it


accessible to people and we need people to think, I'm sitting here


for eight hours and I need to do something to counteract that and it


needs to be through physicality. OK, Lauretta, you have brought some kit


in. You can see by their posture that they sit in chairs for a long


time. When we get to the stage of having physical pain we think we


should address it so we should start addressing it now. So you need to


think about your posture but that will not improve your fitness?


Definitely. Our muscles can become underactive definitely, and even


before you get into work, you can do things like leaving home earlier,


walking to an extra bus stop, when you meet people at the bottom of the


stairs, you can walk to work. And you can set challenges in the


workplace and do exercises together. Things like taking the stairs,


walking rather than driving, if you can, if your journey is short enough


for that, or many of us doing that or have we got too lazy? These


things do add up. It is about doing small, manageable pieces of


activity. What we recommend and what the British Heart Foundation


recommends is 150 minutes moderate intensity activity a week. We say


that is easily broken down into 530 minute periods and you can break


that down into ten periods. It does not sound like much? It is about


setting yourself and achievable target. If you get to that,


brilliant. How minibus are not doing that? Cardiovascular disease is huge


in the UK. There are seven million people living with cardiovascular


disease and inactivity is a huge risk factor. There are a lot of


people not reaching their activity levels. But do you have to get to


the stage where you are out of breath and stretching yourself? It


is about building up to that point. This report says an hour of physical


activity a day can offset sitting at a desk. But one hour is a lot for


people who do not do anything on a daily basis, so it is about breaking


that down? A quick tip? First and foremost, get the OK from the


doctor, you can hold your tummy in, clench or bottom, you can do walking


and running, you can do some leg lifts. I have got the band here. You


can do some stretches with the band so it is a nice chest stretch


breathing in and out, moving your arms to the side and bring it


forward, so there is a lot you can do. Lots of good tips there. Thank


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