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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock.

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This is Victoria Derbyshire with you, welcome to the programme.

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More medals for Team GB in the dressage, cycling and hammer.

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Mark Cavendish scoops up the final point on offer, which makes sure

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that he has the silver medal for Great Britain after all the effort

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and all the Olympic heartache. Mark Cavendish has an Olympic medal.

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What a wonderful throw! She is guaranteed the bronze medal. Only

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two throws remain, they have already gone past her. 74.50 four.

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We'll talk to Charlote Dujardin's mum about that amazing win.

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And could Britain's cycling power couple of Jason Kenny

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and Laura Trott take their joint tally of golds to ten?

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Also on the programme - held hostage and tortured

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by so-called Islamic State for 13 months before being released

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We'll bring you an exclusive interview with the Danish photo

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journalist who now says he feels sorry for his captors.

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I would really love to have a talk with one of them at some point. Just

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sit down when this is over with, have a talk and ask them why. Why

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could they do such things? Watch Daniel Rye's first British

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interview on the programme today. And a man is facing jail today

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after threatening to kill a Labour MP the day before Jo Cox

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was murdered in her constituency. We'll talk to that MP -

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Ben Bradshaw - about death threats Welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11 this morning. A little later in the programme

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we'll bring you the case of the mother jailed

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for seven and a half years after forcing her children

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to undergo unnecessary surgery so she could claim hundreds

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of thousands of pounds in benefits. It has shocked parents

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and medical professionals. How on earth was she able to calm

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those doctors into performing surgery on her two who works

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completely fine? We will talk about that at about 945.

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As always, do get in touch on all the stories we're talking

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about this morning - use the hashtag #VictoriaLive.

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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First, of course, the latest on the Olympics.

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I feel like I say this every day, it has been another impressive 24 hours

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for Team GB, Will Perry? Absolutely. We will start with Mark Cavendish in

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the Omnium, I don't know if any of you stayed up to watch that. We

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thought it would be a short race but it went on for ages. Mark Cavendish

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has this silver medal, this Olympic medal which eluded him. He competed

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in Beijing in 2008 and in London four years ago. Cavendish caused

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that crash that we just saw. He Head the South Korean, then he Head

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Elliot Daly ani, who won goals. The Omnium is 60 events, this is the

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final. He desperately wanted a gold medal. Mark Cavendish is very much

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from the School of silver, second being the first loser. There were no

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celebrations, he said he was reasonably happy. He wanted the gold

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medal around his neck. He celebrated with his family afterwards. The

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inevitable questions came up with him, he pulled out of the Tour de

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France this year to concentrate on the Olympics. Afterwards, Jill

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Douglas as Tim if he had another shot in Tokyo in four years? -- Jill

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Douglas asked him. I am tired, I can't do that Olympic cycle again.

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But I don't know, I said that eight years ago. I say I will retire at

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some point, but I know I told people get sick of me and tell me to go

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back on my bike. So hard to make that decision, but to be asked that

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as soon as you come off track, of course you feel knackered, so it is

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tempting to say, I can't do that again, that he might fancy another

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crack. Laura Trott in the gold medal position in the same event? She is a

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little bit younger in terms of going through an Olympic cycle. That is

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what Cavendish was thinking about, do I want to go through another four

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years? Laura Trott on course to become the first British woman to

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win four gold medals 48 hours after becoming the first British woman to

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win three. She finished second in the scratch race in the Omnium, she

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won the individual pursuit and easily won the square of the race.

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She won three at the 60 beds to take the title in London in 2012. If

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anything she looks much stronger this time. Her big rival is in third

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position. A fourth gold medal is very much on the cards fall Laura

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Trott. At the moment, Laura is level on those three Olympic golds with

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Charlotte Dujardin after Charlotte took Team GB's gold medal tally to

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16 with an impression of 24 hours for Team GB? It is a bit like Mark

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Cavendish, it might not be as hectic and physical, but do you want to go

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through another Olympic cycle? I don't know of anybody listen to the

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commentary on Radio 5 live, the cricket commentator Jonathan Agnew

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was almost in tears. Her horse, of Allegro, she has won three gold

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medals and a silver medal with it. Charlotte Dujardin winning the gold.

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The horse is owned by somebody who competed for Team GB. The big

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question is whether she will go again in Tokyo. Because the horse's

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owner said that if the horse could do it, he would prefer to just

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retire because he has done his job. Charlotte Dujardin ecstatic, she

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spoke to us afterwards. In London I had no expectation or pressure to go

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there. Today I felt a huge amount of pressure and expectation. For me, it

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could be one of the last rites arms Allegro. There is the talk of

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retirement for him. -- one of the last ridess on the Allegro. It is a

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really emotional time. Namibia Sophie Hitchon, 25 years of age,

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only doing something no British person has done since Paris in 1924.

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Winning a medal in the hammer. The first British woman to ever win a

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medal in that discipline. She threw a new British record, 74.5 four.

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This is her final attempt. She climbed from fifth to third on her

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final attempt. A huge jump when you consider that she finished 12th at

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London 2012. Her dad was on Radio 5 live this morning gobsmacked. He was

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speaking to Nicky Campbell. He said he tried to watch it on BBC TV,

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could not find the coverage, he watched it on the website, he

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watched his daughter winning a bronze medal on the BBC sport

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website. He said she is not your typical hammer thrower, she is a

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little bit smaller, not as muscular as the others, she used to be a

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ballet dancer, so quite a transition. It was just incredible.

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To see the number three at the national record, I could not be

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happier. My coach has stuck with me through the bad times and,

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obviously, the good times. Thank you for everyone that helped me at home,

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my mum, my family, the national lottery and all the players. We

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could not do it without you. It has been an amazing day. And she only

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took up the hammer because her athletics club needed points for

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participating in local competitions, which is part of their brilliant

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back story. Let's talk marriage proposals. Calm down, it is not your

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lucky day! There have been quite a few, and we now have another one

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involving a Team GB athlete? There have been three so far, Tom

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Bosworth, that is the one you will be familiar with. You had him in the

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studio before he went out to Rio. Tom is a race walker, this is a

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picture of him on the beach at Copacabana. That is his partner, his

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now fiancee, Harry. He put a caption on Twitter, he said, he said yes.

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That is Tom on his knees. The first marriage proposal was a Brazilian

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women's rugby sevens player and her girlfriend. And there was that pair

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of Chinese divers, he went down on his knee on the three metre

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springboard next to the green pool, a nice setting! Everybody loves a

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good celebration, we just saw that in the weightlifting? If you are a

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fan of David Brent or The Office, you might find this amusing. This is

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a Kazakhstan weightlifter. 195 kilograms. Look at that. Very David

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Brent. He has got moves and skills. More importantly, they be not more

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importantly, less amusingly, we will have big chances today of more

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goldss for Great Britain, Laura Trott is the main one. Halfway

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through the Omnium and probably be odds-on favourite for another gold

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medal. Laura Trott is going at five past nine tonight, UK time. Her

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fiance, Jason Kenny, he has five golds so far. He could match Sir

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Chris Hoy's total of six golds in the men's keirin, which is tonight

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at 10:15pm UK time. The Kazakhstan dancing, we will definitely play

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that again during the course of the programme, don't worry.

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Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The number of patients in England waiting over 18 weeks for planned

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surgery is up by almost 80%, according to new research.

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The Patients' Association says delays are the longest they've been

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since it began collecting data six years ago.

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Here's our health correspondent, Jane Dreaper.

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David Fearnley faced an agonising wait for a hip replacement,

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and he worried about being away from his farm at a busy time.

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He had to be referred to hospital twice.

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David's op then happened a month ago, after he was offered

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The pain was getting worse all the time.

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You know, a couple of days when I could barely walk,

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I were on one kind of painkillers and then went on to another kind.

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NHS trusts in England were asked about their waiting times

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Almost 80% responded to the Freedom of Information questions.

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The average waiting times for five procedures,

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including hip and knee ops, are now above 100 days,

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and three quarters of trusts didn't inform patients if they missed

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People contact us and tell us they have been on the waiting list

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for several months, and they have had no communication

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Now, these are people who are in pain and discomfort,

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and their ability to perform their normal daily tasks

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is inhibited because of the pain that they are in.

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David is recovering well from his op.

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The Government says the Patients Association's

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figures are misleading, because nine out of ten patients

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still wait less than the 18-week target for treatment,

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and many more operations are being carried out overall.

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The last Western hostage to be released alive by so-called Islamic

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state says he feels sorry for Jihadi John and his other kidnappers.

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Photographer Daniel Wright travelled to try to document the lives of

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people affected by the civil War, and was seized by the terror group.

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We will show you his first British interviewer just after 9:30am.

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The police watchdog is investigating the death of the former footballer

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Dalian Atkinson after he was shot with a taser by officers

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The former Aston Villa striker, who was 48,

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It's reported he was having dialysis treatment for kidney problems.

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Fifteen people have been transferred from the Guantanamo Bay

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detention centre in Cuba, to the United Arab Emirates.

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The release of the twelve Yemeni nationals and three Afghans

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is the largest single transfer of detainees during

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Sixty one people remain at the facility, which Mr Obama has

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pledged to close, despite opposition from the Republicans.

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Viruses could be more dangerous if people become

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infected in the morning, new research indicates.

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Scientists from Cambridge University found that viral levels in animals

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were ten times higher, if they had been infected

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in the early hours, rather than another time of day.

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They also found that shift workers have a higher risk

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of infection, because their body clocks are disrupted.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30am.

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Back to you, Victoria. Thank you very much. Good morning.

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12 years ago a gold, a silver and a bronze on one day

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at an Olympic games for Team GB would have been quite something -

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these days, though, it's just normal isn't it?

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In the dressage - often described as ballet on horses -

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Charlotte Dujardin became the second British woman to win three

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Olympic golds by retaining her individual title.

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I have been worrying about messing up her surname and now I'm messing

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up her Christian name! COMMENTATOR: Looks amazing. 14 years

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old now. Valegro. They have been the stars of the sport worldwide now.

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Since London 2012. We have had some wonderful medals here and of course,

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at these games, athletics or other titles, but this will be a pretty

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unique thing. Charlotte has done enough. A big challenge, no doubt

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about that whatsoever. London, I had no expectation, no pressure to go

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out there. Today I felt a huge amount of pressure and expectation

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and, for me, it could be one of the last rides of Valegro. There was

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talk of retirement for him so for me to finish it in this way, yeah, it's

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really an emotional time. Her feat is even more amazing

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because before the London Olympics, Britain had never won a single medal

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in the event. The 31-year-old helped Great Britain

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secure two golds back in 2012 and her defence of the individual

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title makes her Britain's joint most successful female Olympian

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alongside Laura Trott. Charlotte has been described

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as the greatest rider She cried partly because it's

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the end of her working relationship with her horse Valegro after nine

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years of competitions. By the way that horse -

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who she describes as her best friend No one knows more about the emotions

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behind Charlotte's success than her mother Jane,

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who is with us from the family And her sister Emma Jane. We will

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also talk to Debbie Thomas or change charlotte for four years and

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transitioned into dressage and also an international dressage rider.

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First of all, Jane, good morning to you. So, only the second British

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woman to win three Olympic golds and she is your daughter. Absolutely.

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It's just phenomenal. I can't believe she has achieved what she

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has in such a short space of time. Emma Jane, talk through yesterday.

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How was it for you and the family? The thing ever. So nerve wracking.

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We were all sitting there, -- worst thing ever. I knew deep down she

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would do it. There's no one who is more of a fighter than Charlotte. If

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anybody was going to bring a medal, it would beat Charlotte. She has

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always been a fighter from a child. Really competitive. She got into

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horses because you love them. Wash your natural? Absolutely. Both my

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girls, to be fair -- was she a natural? I did show jumping myself

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but when I became a mother, I could never continue my hobby because with

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the children, it was difficult to take them with me so being a

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competitive minded mother, I decided to try and incorporate the children

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within my hobby but thankfully, they loved it. So we did all the showing.

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Emma Jane was older when Charlotte started but she used to have to

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dress up and where the whole shenanigans when Emma Jane came out

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of the arena, so she could get on and do her little bit but it was

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hysterical. Just amazing. You had to beg borrow and steal to get the

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money together for that first pony, didn't you? Yes, in the beginning,

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unfortunately we lost our home and everything. My dad played a great

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part supporting us to keep everything. He kept saying to me,

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"Jane, this better things to put your money towards." But it was

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something I had a passion for. It kept us together as a family. We

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loved it. It was something we could all do regardless of what the

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situation was. I suppose in hindsight I should have listened to

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my dad in the early days because he made sense but it's what we loved.

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It's how we fulfilled our dreams, really. Emma Jane, tellers about the

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partnership relationship between Charlotte and Valegro. There's an

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amazing bond between the two of them. You can just see, everything

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they do together, they worshipped the ground they walk on between the

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two of them. Blue Brie loves Charlotte. She walks around the

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yard. He knows she is coming. Just together, the way they work,

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complete harmony. Let me bring in Judy. You have been Charlotte coach

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and employer. How did you celebrate? We had a great evening. All the

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potential Charlottes, three girls working for me now, they came over

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and we had Brazilian cocktails and Brazilian food set up, and we all

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settle down to watch and we had a great evening. Why did you give

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Charlotte her first job as an apprentice at your stables when she

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was a teenager? Well, she came along for a lesson. Her great buddy at the

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in Rio with her, Ian, was teaching her at the time and you was

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interested in making the transition from showing to dressage. I was able

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to have a vacancy and you could see she was a great rider. She needed to

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change some things about her style, but even at that stage, she had a

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little glint of termination and thirst for knowledge and the desire

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to improve herself everyday and also the desire to improve the horses

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everyday. She had a real goal and it was to be the best. Debbie Thomas,

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you are Charlotte 's first trainer. Welcome. You have been watching your

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riding since you was a toddler. What kind of advice did you use to give

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her? When she was in the showing world, we always used to say that

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when she started to go to the big shows like Wembley and Olympia, we

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would just say it's just another arena and just another show, so it

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would keep her calm. She was absolutely always keeping it

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together. I wonder if she was thinking that yesterday? There been

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a little bit of pressure. I think she was under a huge amount of

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pressure yesterday. As she set herself when she went to London,

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nobody had any expectations of her. This time, we all had expectations

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but I didn't have any doubt in my mind she wasn't going to bring home

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the gold medal for us. How do you train a horse to do what Valegro

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did? Many years and a lot of hard work. Go on, Judy. She went from me

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to Carl and he has been a huge influence on her career and he has

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got to be the best trainer in the world. He a trainer all of our

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dressage team and is a great rider himself and, with his backing, the

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phenomenal horse Valegro and Valegro's owners, it gave Charlotte

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an opportunity to get in there and go for gold and yesterday, watching

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her ride around the arena, she was smiling and when I saw her smiling,

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I thought, she is absolutely in the writer 's owner. She won't make a

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single mistake and she got on and did the job and it was phenomenal to

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watch. Jane and Emma Jane, it looks like you will be going to her

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wedding very soon? She has been saying this since 2012, so I'm not

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sure I'm going to buy my hat just yet. You will have seen that little

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notice Dean put on his shirt, "Can we be married now?" It's a wonder he

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is carried on waiting, let me tell you, he's desperate. With Charlotte,

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horses always come first and if there's something not going on, Dean

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has to take second place. Thank you very much. Thank you so much and

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Emma Jane, well done, thank you for coming on the programme, everyone.

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One of Britain's most successful cyclists, Mark Cavendish,

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has finally achieved his ambition of winning a medal at the Olympics.

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The man from the Isle of Man, who has already won four world

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titles on the road and track, and 30 stages at the Tour De France,

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took silver in the Omnium, which is cycling's answer

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COMMENTATOR: Mark Cavendish get the final point on offer to make sure he

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has the silver medal. For Great Britain. After all the effort and

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all the Olympic heartache, Mark Cavendish has an Olympic medal. It

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is a silver one and it is richly deserved. Honestly, I think

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everyone, the lambs, -- labs, the Sprint, the team behind us, we've

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got incredible riders in Great Britain. The nutritionist,

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mechanics. The guy who developed the bikes and the suits, our data

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analyst and everyone, incredible how it's worked. I've learned a whole

:24:44.:24:51.

new thing for the last ten years and I know without those guys I would

:24:52.:24:53.

not be on the podium today. During the race though Cavendish

:24:54.:24:54.

was involved in a crash which not only brought down

:24:55.:24:57.

Italy's Elia Viviani, who remarkably recovered to win

:24:58.:25:02.

gold, but also injured South Korea's Park Sang-Hoon

:25:03.:25:04.

who ended up being taken to hospital COMMENTATOR: Elia Viviani, the gold

:25:05.:25:25.

medal rider at the moment has hit the deck. There was a collision

:25:26.:25:31.

involving Mark Cavendish. He clipped him. I think it was Park Sang-Hoon

:25:32.:25:37.

from South Korea. Let's have a look at it now. Well, Cavendish could get

:25:38.:25:42.

a warning for that because he just swung down into him. The Korean did

:25:43.:25:46.

not do anything wrong, I'm afraid and that could be a real problem for

:25:47.:25:48.

Mark Cavendish. It's a big day for British

:25:49.:25:50.

cycling's dream couple, Jason is on course to match

:25:51.:25:52.

Sir Chris Hoy's all time British He has already matched Sir Steve

:25:53.:25:59.

Redgrave and Sir Bradley Wiggins The 28-year-old will race his final

:26:00.:26:04.

Olympic event starting this His fiance cyclist Laura Trott,

:26:05.:26:09.

who is Britain's joint female most successful Olympian with three

:26:10.:26:15.

gold medals, could be about to win her fourth

:26:16.:26:19.

in the Omnium, a six-track event She won her earlier event yesterday

:26:20.:26:22.

in spectacular style. Francis Gallacher has

:26:23.:26:31.

known COMMENTATOR: Basically we got to know each other

:26:32.:26:47.

swimming on a Saturday morning full is as parents do, use it in the

:26:48.:26:50.

gallery and watch your kids swimming. It all started off.

:26:51.:26:57.

Chatting with Glenda for several weeks, she wanted to actually lose

:26:58.:27:01.

weight and I suggested get her on a bike. We got the family on a bike

:27:02.:27:07.

and the girls came, too. I was an active cyclist myself. Mountain

:27:08.:27:14.

biking. My children were racing in the under tens. We took the family

:27:15.:27:20.

away for a weekend to Hartington hall with friends and family and

:27:21.:27:28.

just had fun on the weekend, we saw Laura on her bike and choose

:27:29.:27:31.

competitive doing her swimming and was already doing a bit of

:27:32.:27:35.

trampolining at Grundy Park sports centre, as well, at the time. I

:27:36.:27:40.

suggested to bring the girls down to the track where I was a member and

:27:41.:27:45.

they loved it from day one. It started from there. So you noticed

:27:46.:27:51.

the competitive streak? From when she was riding a bike. But does not

:27:52.:27:56.

mean you end up Olympic champion winning possibly four goals, does

:27:57.:28:00.

it? No, with Laura, she's always been a fighter. She was born

:28:01.:28:06.

prematurely. Do you think that was significant? I think it was part of

:28:07.:28:11.

their guts and determination. No matter whether she was swimming,

:28:12.:28:15.

riding a bike, trampolining in the early days, she was always

:28:16.:28:20.

competitive. And I think that is the edge. With youngsters, it's all

:28:21.:28:25.

about having that spark of determination. I think whether she

:28:26.:28:29.

had been a swimmer, trampoline store cyclist, whatever sport she chose to

:28:30.:28:33.

do in her career, I think she would have been successful. Do you think

:28:34.:28:38.

she would get another gold today? Yes. Anything can still happen. But

:28:39.:28:44.

yes, I think the elimination race yesterday, she rode it to

:28:45.:28:47.

perfection. Just fantastic to see. I'm very proud of starting here on

:28:48.:28:54.

the road, small cog in a big wheel. So you should be. Do you think Jason

:28:55.:28:59.

Kenny can get another gold medal today? This is a really fascinating

:29:00.:29:02.

one where there's six or eight riders and a man on open the front

:29:03.:29:08.

keeps the pace down. For a few laps, and then he clears off and a belt

:29:09.:29:12.

around, don't they? The performance he showing at the moment, he's

:29:13.:29:16.

odds-on favourite to win. Hopefully, fingers crossed, they can get the

:29:17.:29:23.

gold medal. Fantastic. What a household. They are due to get

:29:24.:29:28.

married in September. However many gold medals they will have on the

:29:29.:29:33.

mantelpiece, in their front room, I wonder if they are competitive

:29:34.:29:38.

together? Or they talk about the weather when they go home? I haven't

:29:39.:29:44.

met Jason, at all. I haven't seen Laura personally for a few years

:29:45.:29:49.

now, because she is encapsulated in this bubble to protect everything

:29:50.:29:56.

going on, but I think it's fantastic and I think they both bounce off

:29:57.:30:02.

each other, to support and encourage and they look very happy together

:30:03.:30:06.

and I think that's the thing which shines out from Laura. She's always

:30:07.:30:12.

had fun doing what she does. I think if kids don't have fun, when they

:30:13.:30:19.

compete, they will want to compete and their bubbly characters come

:30:20.:30:22.

through. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming on the programme.

:30:23.:30:29.

Let's talk about Sophie Hitchon, she won Bronson became the first British

:30:30.:30:35.

hammer thrower to win an Olympic medal for decades. I can Chalobah

:30:36.:30:39.

how many years, I will tell you in a minute. -- I can't remember how many

:30:40.:30:43.

years. 76.75 a round number five.

:30:44.:31:02.

Lets talk to Sophie's mum Wendy, who I think it's at home in Burnley. How

:31:03.:31:09.

are you? Very well, thank you. Congratulations, how did you follow

:31:10.:31:14.

your daughter's amazing achievement? Walking in and out of the house,

:31:15.:31:18.

hanging washing out and generally hiding. So you did not follow it?

:31:19.:31:25.

Well, get, we did, really, but behind the fingers. You obviously

:31:26.:31:33.

get serious anxiety when she's about to compete? I don't know. You want

:31:34.:31:39.

them to perform to the best of their abilities and it is always nerve

:31:40.:31:43.

wracking when you can't see what is going on. Although we are watching

:31:44.:31:48.

it on the telly, it is delayed. We tend to watch it a bit more on the

:31:49.:31:55.

live results feed that you can follow, it brings up the results

:31:56.:32:00.

afterwards. So you sort of have the delayed reaction. It is not so bad

:32:01.:32:05.

when you are in the stadium, but not being there, you can't tell how she

:32:06.:32:12.

is feeling and how things are going. Everybody is making a huge deal

:32:13.:32:16.

about this journey from a ballet dancer as a young girl to hammer

:32:17.:32:22.

thrower, Telus about that? She started at nursery, really, most

:32:23.:32:27.

nursery schools they get them into activities at an early age. It was

:32:28.:32:32.

ballet dancing. She did all sorts of things, trampolining and VAT. She

:32:33.:32:38.

just stuck with dancing. She did tap dancing, modern dancing. And when

:32:39.:32:43.

athletics became more prominent, she gave that up. To actually further

:32:44.:32:51.

her career as a hammer thrower. The first Briton to win an Olympic

:32:52.:32:56.

hammer medal since a man called Malcolm Noakes in 1924. 90 odd years

:32:57.:33:03.

ago. Hammer for women has not been going that long. She is certainly

:33:04.:33:10.

putting it on the map. I hope there are lots of young girls and young

:33:11.:33:16.

boys coming through. I know we have quite a few down at Blackburn

:33:17.:33:21.

Harriers that are clean and is doing really well. They had just won the

:33:22.:33:25.

northerner, they will be going to the British Championships in a

:33:26.:33:31.

couple of weeks. Looking good. Lovely to talk to you,

:33:32.:33:34.

congratulations, thank you for coming on the programme. Cheers,

:33:35.:33:38.

Wendy, the mother of Sophie Hitchon, who has won bronze for Team GB.

:33:39.:33:45.

An exclusive interview with the Danish photo-journalist

:33:46.:33:48.

who was held hostage and tortured by so-called Islamic State for 13

:33:49.:33:51.

of a mother who was jailed for faking her children's illness

:33:52.:34:03.

so she could claim hundreds of thousands of pounds in benefits..

:34:04.:34:11.

All the Olympic news with Will Parry.

:34:12.:34:17.

The sports headlines, Mark Cavendish achieved his ambition of winning an

:34:18.:34:21.

Olympic medal by taking silver in the Omnium for Team GB. The Manxman

:34:22.:34:27.

missed out on his medal in the previous two Games, he says it would

:34:28.:34:30.

have been nice to finish the collection with gold, he says he

:34:31.:34:33.

does not think he will be going for it in Tokyo, but you never know.

:34:34.:34:37.

Defending champion Laura Trott the women's Anyon -- leads the women's

:34:38.:34:43.

Anyon. She is three races away from claiming a fourth Olympic gold

:34:44.:34:47.

medal, 48 hours after she became the first British woman to win three.

:34:48.:34:51.

Charlotte Dujardin is the second British woman to win three Olympic

:34:52.:34:55.

golds, retaining the individual dressage title in Rio on her horse

:34:56.:35:03.

Valegro. And Sophie Hutcheon became the first British woman to win an

:35:04.:35:08.

Olympic hammer medal by taking bronze, climbing from fifth to third

:35:09.:35:11.

with a British record on her final throw.

:35:12.:35:12.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:35:13.:35:16.

The police watchdog is investigating the death of the former footballer

:35:17.:35:20.

Dalian Atkinson after he was shot with a taser by officers

:35:21.:35:23.

The former Aston Villa striker, who was 48,

:35:24.:35:26.

It's reported he was having dialysis treatment for kidney problems.

:35:27.:35:31.

The number of patients in England waiting over 18 weeks for planned

:35:32.:35:34.

surgery is up by almost 80%, according to new research.

:35:35.:35:39.

The Patients' Association says delays are the longest they've been

:35:40.:35:41.

since it began collecting data six years ago.

:35:42.:35:44.

Here's our health correspondent, Jane Dreaper.

:35:45.:35:50.

It also said that many people are having their operations cancelled at

:35:51.:35:56.

short notice. Government describes the as misleading.

:35:57.:35:59.

Rail fares have increased at double the speed of wages

:36:00.:36:01.

in the last six years, research by trade unions suggests.

:36:02.:36:03.

The new figures say fares are up 25% since 2010,

:36:04.:36:06.

while the average weekly earnings have risen by 12%.

:36:07.:36:08.

It comes on the day commuters will find out how much regulated

:36:09.:36:11.

Viruses could be more dangerous if people become

:36:12.:36:17.

infected in the morning, new research indicates.

:36:18.:36:19.

Scientists from Cambridge University found that viral levels in animals

:36:20.:36:23.

were ten times higher if they had been infected

:36:24.:36:25.

in the early hours, rather than another time of day.

:36:26.:36:28.

They also found that shift workers have a higher risk

:36:29.:36:31.

of infection, because their body clocks are disrupted.

:36:32.:36:36.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:36:37.:36:43.

Thank you very much. News just in, inflation is up a tiny bit. The

:36:44.:36:50.

Office of National Statistics says the rate of consumer price index

:36:51.:36:57.

inflation rose to 0.6% in July from 0.5% in June. Inflation up a tiny,

:36:58.:36:59.

tiny bit. The last Western hostage to be

:37:00.:37:00.

released alive by Islamist terror group Isis has told this programme

:37:01.:37:03.

in his first British interview that he feels sorry

:37:04.:37:06.

for so-called Jihadi John In 2013, photographer Daniel Rye

:37:07.:37:08.

travelled to Syria to try and document the lives of people

:37:09.:37:16.

affected by the war, For 13 months he was held hostage,

:37:17.:37:19.

along with British aid worker David Haines,

:37:20.:37:24.

British taxi driver Alan Henning and US journalist James Foley -

:37:25.:37:26.

three men who were executed by Isis. Subjected to brutal attacks

:37:27.:37:35.

and forced to witness a bloody execution at the hands

:37:36.:37:39.

of Jihadi John and the so-called Beatles, Rye has now written

:37:40.:37:45.

a book of his ordeal - the most detailed account ever

:37:46.:37:47.

from inside an Isis jail - and he spoke to us in this

:37:48.:37:50.

exclusive interview. He explained why he decided

:37:51.:37:52.

to travel to Syria. When I left for Syria, at that point

:37:53.:38:08.

one fifth part of the Jordanian population was Syrian refugees.

:38:09.:38:12.

There were so many people leaving Syria at that point. So my interest

:38:13.:38:19.

was to go and find... Just across the border, find a family that had

:38:20.:38:23.

not yet fled but were about to. I wanted to have a picture of a family

:38:24.:38:28.

before they became refugees. I wanted a family while they were

:38:29.:38:35.

still a Syrian family. And then, basically start the trip towards

:38:36.:38:40.

wherever they were going, to have a picture where people could identify

:38:41.:38:44.

with, basically. So that is what I was going for. When I left Syria

:38:45.:38:53.

into the town, about four kilometres across the Turkish/ Syrian border.

:38:54.:38:57.

And on your first day in Syria you were detained, and it was not long

:38:58.:39:03.

before you were blindfolded, handcuffed and being taken away? No,

:39:04.:39:12.

I think now it is about, how much is it, three years, three and half

:39:13.:39:15.

years ago, three years ago I was taken. At that point, nobody really

:39:16.:39:22.

knew who Isis was. They were not and anybody's radar as much. They were a

:39:23.:39:27.

very small group starting to evolve a bit. What happened to me, I

:39:28.:39:33.

believe, was to come in between these things. Had I went one month

:39:34.:39:40.

earlier, nothing would probably have happened. Did I decide to go one

:39:41.:39:45.

month later, certainly we could see that many French people have been

:39:46.:39:49.

taken. Lots of people were taken in the beginning. That was when the

:39:50.:39:57.

whole kidnap of all the Western journalists started. When you look

:39:58.:40:01.

at Syria and big parts of Iraq today, Western journalists just

:40:02.:40:04.

don't go there any more, especially not into ice is held territories.

:40:05.:40:12.

They will be kidnapped. -- Isis held territories. You document in your

:40:13.:40:17.

book the horrific torture you were subjected to. Would you talk a

:40:18.:40:21.

little about the kind of violence perpetrated against you? I think

:40:22.:40:30.

when you think about what would happen when you get kidnapped by a

:40:31.:40:35.

group like that, torture is the first thing that comes up in your

:40:36.:40:41.

mind. So, yes, there was torture. What I think is very interesting was

:40:42.:40:48.

that when I was witnessing this torture, the real torture, for me,

:40:49.:40:54.

was only the first, like, two weeks or so. Then it basically stopped

:40:55.:40:59.

again. But at that point it was like it was the most normal thing in the

:41:00.:41:04.

world. What was going on, it seemed like everybody was totally cool with

:41:05.:41:09.

what was happening, people were not even paying attention that the guy

:41:10.:41:12.

was hanging down from the ceiling, it was just another day at the

:41:13.:41:18.

office, basically. For them? For them. What was happening to you? One

:41:19.:41:23.

of the reasons why I wrote this book was to tell people what happens in a

:41:24.:41:29.

way so they can put all the things together. I don't like to talk about

:41:30.:41:34.

how I was tortured. I don't like to talk about what I was feeling, what

:41:35.:41:42.

I was... What I was thinking etc. And I think telling it in a book is

:41:43.:41:50.

a good way for me to give the story its own life. People can read it and

:41:51.:41:54.

have an understanding not only of the torture but of how we survived

:41:55.:42:03.

as a big group, me and my friends who were detained together. There is

:42:04.:42:07.

a particular time early on in your captivity where you were

:42:08.:42:12.

effectively... Your arms were changed to a ceiling. And you got

:42:13.:42:17.

through that. When they threaten to do it again, and to do it again and

:42:18.:42:20.

said it would last for three days, you didn't think you could get

:42:21.:42:24.

through that. And you actually manage with your feet, with your

:42:25.:42:28.

toe, to pull a table towards you say you were able to stand on the table

:42:29.:42:34.

so your body was not elongated and in such agony. And after

:42:35.:42:38.

consideration you thought, you thought you wanted to take your own

:42:39.:42:47.

life? Year. -- yes. At that point it felt like the only thing to do. I

:42:48.:42:51.

was pretty sure I would never be able to come home alive after what

:42:52.:42:54.

they had basically started doing with me. I was like... My family and

:42:55.:43:02.

friends should not with me being executed in a video or whatever, so

:43:03.:43:08.

I might as well, you know, do it myself. For me, that was the only

:43:09.:43:12.

thing. And after that, they made sure that I could not do that again,

:43:13.:43:17.

even though I wanted to for a long time. That was the only way out. And

:43:18.:43:25.

I understand why it is a very... It is a very interesting subject. It is

:43:26.:43:32.

very crazy to be that guy suddenly who decides to do things like that.

:43:33.:43:36.

I have always been very happy about my life and happy about... I always

:43:37.:43:41.

had a lot of friends, I did not go to Syria to escape anything. I went

:43:42.:43:45.

to Syria to do this story and go back again. To my girlfriend, my

:43:46.:43:53.

family, everybody. And suddenly standing there, thinking, OK, I am

:43:54.:43:58.

not going to witness that any more, I am not going to see... I'm not

:43:59.:44:03.

going to have kids, I'm not going to... All the things you dream about

:44:04.:44:07.

as a kid that you will do when you grow up, that is not a part of your

:44:08.:44:11.

life. That was the hardest part, definitely, about all of this. And

:44:12.:44:17.

when I think it is important about it, this story, especially when you

:44:18.:44:26.

read the media, they tend to really go into all the torture parts. In

:44:27.:44:31.

terms of violence, some pretty horrific stuff, beatings on the

:44:32.:44:35.

soles of your feet, kicking, general humiliation. People trying to break

:44:36.:44:39.

you because they thought you were a spy, because you are taking

:44:40.:44:43.

photographs. And at one point you were performing for them some

:44:44.:44:47.

gymnastic moves because you had been an elite gymnasts as a younger man,

:44:48.:44:52.

you were trying to prove you were a normal bloke, a photojournalist from

:44:53.:44:53.

Denmark? Exactly, that's one of the things

:44:54.:45:03.

that, for me, is interesting when stories like this surprise you. And,

:45:04.:45:12.

for me, suddenly standing there in a cell, telling them I'm a gymnast and

:45:13.:45:16.

they didn't believe me, I said, how can I prove to you I am a gymnast?

:45:17.:45:20.

And standing there in handcuffs, trying to make... I've been watching

:45:21.:45:27.

so much of the gymnastics in the Olympics, and doing gymnastics all

:45:28.:45:31.

my life and suddenly I was standing there in front of these torturers

:45:32.:45:38.

having to do a back tax, a backflip to prove and the best part about

:45:39.:45:46.

this was the experience, the expression afterwards. These guys,

:45:47.:45:52.

they didn't know what to say. They were, like, that's stupid. And then

:45:53.:45:59.

they kept on with something else. Because they have been used to

:46:00.:46:04.

torturing people, to do these kinds of things for such a long time, the

:46:05.:46:10.

don't expect people to do a flip in the middle of the room. Just that

:46:11.:46:15.

second, I remember very well, this expression on his face. He didn't

:46:16.:46:22.

know what to say. Awesome. It still didn't convince them, though? They

:46:23.:46:28.

say whatever they want to say. You didn't manage an escape attempt,

:46:29.:46:36.

inspired, you say in the book, by a film featuring Christian Bale. What

:46:37.:46:42.

did you do, how to do get out? I saw Rusty and bail was opening his

:46:43.:46:48.

handcuffs with a male, a few weeks before I left for Syria, so it was

:46:49.:46:52.

very clear in my head, this experience and suddenly, I watched

:46:53.:47:00.

the movie I seem to be in a movie almost and I found a small nail.

:47:01.:47:05.

It's very easy, actually. I managed to open these handcuffs behind my

:47:06.:47:14.

back. Finally, I opened them and there was a whole in the wall that I

:47:15.:47:24.

could walk out of and suddenly I was almost free. But they found you in

:47:25.:47:31.

some fields and took you straight back to the man who had been

:47:32.:47:37.

torturing you? Yes, at that point, I was in the middle of a depot, so no

:47:38.:47:43.

matter where I was, which way I was running, I would go directly into

:47:44.:47:45.

people who were not used to seeing people like me, but some people have

:47:46.:47:56.

escaped prison but, at that point, I think that was three hours after I

:47:57.:48:01.

tried to hang myself. I tried to escape. I was not thinking very

:48:02.:48:09.

much. It was not like I have to run, I have to say because people say

:48:10.:48:12.

there's a bigger chance of surviving if you stay. I just had to go. I was

:48:13.:48:17.

just waiting for them to come back again. It also felt like the most

:48:18.:48:25.

natural thing. Several weeks after that, you were moved to a basement

:48:26.:48:30.

under the Children's Hospital in Aleppo where other Western hostages

:48:31.:48:32.

were being held. And you find yourself in a cell in a very small

:48:33.:48:40.

space with two Frenchmen where you have open wounds on your wrists from

:48:41.:48:47.

your handcuffs, violent diarrhoea, and that scenario, if it wasn't

:48:48.:48:50.

difficult enough already is much harder in a way when you have to

:48:51.:48:55.

cope with that, sharing with two other hostages in that tiny space? I

:48:56.:49:02.

think the reason why I can sit here now and be a completely normal

:49:03.:49:08.

person is because I think the way my situation was, that the first three

:49:09.:49:16.

weeks was the most heavily tortured, and I was not, in my wildest

:49:17.:49:19.

imagination, thinking I would come out alive again. In the end you are

:49:20.:49:24.

held in the same place as the US journalist James Foley. And John

:49:25.:49:30.

Cantley, an aid worker, David Haynes, Alan Henning, the taxi

:49:31.:49:34.

driver. You said in particular in the book James Foley lifted the mood

:49:35.:49:40.

of you all. Why? I think he comes from a very strong family. As I said

:49:41.:49:46.

before, I don't think that I was going to Syria... I didn't want to

:49:47.:49:55.

escape from anything back home, so definitely, James comes from a very

:49:56.:50:00.

strong family and has three brothers and one sister and two very lovely

:50:01.:50:04.

parents. I've met them many times and I think the fact that he knows

:50:05.:50:09.

himself, he was raised among other people taking care of them, as the

:50:10.:50:15.

eldest one. Somehow, he managed to be very... Have some extra energy to

:50:16.:50:22.

ask for extra food full whenever he got beaten, he was not crying,

:50:23.:50:29.

listen to me, everything is bad. No, he was like, everything will be OK.

:50:30.:50:33.

It's always everything will be OK. In this basement you all came across

:50:34.:50:41.

the British guards, the men you described as the Beatles. We know

:50:42.:50:47.

him as Jeff Hardy John, Ringo and George. -- Jihadi John. What were

:50:48.:50:57.

they like? There was a big difference between the local members

:50:58.:51:06.

of ices and the foreign fighters -- Isis. The locals were much more cool

:51:07.:51:20.

and relaxed in a way. I don't know if it's different places on the

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planet... Why do you say you feel sorry for them?

:51:25.:51:34.

I would really love to have a talk with one of them at some point. Just

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to sit down when this is over with, have a talk, and ask them why. Why

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could you do such things? You can read his full story in his book.

:51:52.:51:53.

And we'll be hearing more from Daniel Rye later

:51:54.:51:56.

on about being released, how he came to terms with leaving

:51:57.:51:58.

other hostages behind - people who became his friends -

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and why he doesn't wish his captors dead.

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That is in the next hour of the programme. Tomorrow we will be live

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in Nottingham with audience of floating Labour voters for a Labour

:52:22.:52:25.

leadership programme. Owen Smith, who wants to be leader and Jeremy

:52:26.:52:29.

Corbyn, who wants to continue being leader of Labour will be there, too,

:52:30.:52:33.

taking questions from an audience wherever you are around the country

:52:34.:52:34.

so do join us from 9am tomorrow. The case of the mother jailed

:52:35.:52:37.

for seven and a half years after forcing her children

:52:38.:52:40.

to undergo unnecessary surgery so she could claim hundreds

:52:41.:52:42.

of thousand pounds in benefits has shocked parents and

:52:43.:52:45.

medical professionals. Our reporter Lesley Ashmall

:52:46.:52:50.

can tell us more. Over ten years she abused her little

:52:51.:53:00.

boy saying things like he had ufology problems, asthma, autism and

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gastric problems. They were prescribed untold quantities of

:53:05.:53:09.

medication, they even had invasive procedures to have feeding tubes

:53:10.:53:12.

inserted into their stomachs, even though they could need perfectly

:53:13.:53:16.

fine. She coached the little boy to behave as she perceived children

:53:17.:53:21.

with autism would behave, so she never toilet trained them. He was

:53:22.:53:26.

still in nappies because she thought children without condition had

:53:27.:53:30.

problems with that. We have heard of parents abusing their children in

:53:31.:53:35.

cases similar to this before. What is different is that this woman, who

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we can't name to protect the children, could collect benefits. I

:53:40.:53:43.

know, it's one of the largest overpayments to a single person

:53:44.:53:48.

ever. She claims disability allowance, she also claimed she was

:53:49.:53:51.

a single mother needing income support although she had a partner

:53:52.:53:56.

who earned nearly ?40,000 a year and don't forget the cost to the NHS. We

:53:57.:54:03.

are talking nearly ?150,000 worth of unnecessary drugs and treatment and

:54:04.:54:09.

consultancy fees. Huge police investigation involving different

:54:10.:54:14.

agencies. Questions are being asked as to why this did not come to light

:54:15.:54:19.

earlier. A serious case review has been launched because a medical

:54:20.:54:23.

professional raise the alarm, concerns, six years ago, but this

:54:24.:54:27.

current investigation has taken three years, 140 witnesses called

:54:28.:54:33.

altogether, and the man who led it says it's one of the most shocking

:54:34.:54:40.

cases he's ever worked on. The investigation just grew and we were

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astounded. I certainly remember the day when we decided to enter the

:54:44.:54:49.

house and make the arrest. We saw the actual children, the youngest

:54:50.:54:54.

one drinking out of a baby bottle in a nappy, it just was unique. Leslie,

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thank you very much. He's a Consultant Paediatrician

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and he's an expert in cases Good morning to you. People will

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just want to know how this woman, this mum, could convert the medical

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professionals and convince them effectively to carry out surgery on

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her perfectly well children. It does sound completely bizarre. That

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doctors could be taken in by this kind of thing. The trouble is,

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doctors depend very much on the history they are given by the parent

:55:32.:55:36.

of the child they are seeing. A lot of medical conditions depend almost

:55:37.:55:38.

exclusively on the history you get from the parent and the children may

:55:39.:55:43.

have very few if any physical signs in between consultants. You do test

:55:44.:55:52.

before you carry out surgery, don't you? A lot of conditions don't have

:55:53.:55:58.

simple tests. It's unusual the parent was alleging autism full we

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encounter many people who think their children have autism that it's

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difficult to prove or disprove. I'm talking about the surgery. The

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little boy had a stomach shrunk by 20% after she convince them that

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operation was necessary. In fact, the operation, it's the commonest

:56:18.:56:27.

carried out in children. The parent was alleging their child can't eat

:56:28.:56:31.

properly. Vomiting all the time and effort child is losing weight, the

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doctors will feel compelled to do something about it. They may go

:56:36.:56:42.

ahead as a feeding tube. Right. This woman was doing this for ten years.

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One medical professional was suspicious and did write to various

:56:49.:56:51.

other medical professionals and only got one reply. The mum was able to

:56:52.:56:57.

continue treating their children and abusing them in this way. Yes,

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unfortunately, that is very much the way these things go. Very often

:57:03.:57:06.

people have concerns that they are not able to persuade other people of

:57:07.:57:10.

their concerns or get somebody to take the case on and have a careful

:57:11.:57:17.

look at it. Are you alarmed by that? I'm afraid I've seen many things

:57:18.:57:21.

over the years and I have ceased to be alarmed by things. You're not

:57:22.:57:26.

alarmed that colleagues would not take another colleague concerns

:57:27.:57:31.

seriously? I think we need to do better. It sounds like they were

:57:32.:57:33.

deficiencies in this case but there is a believability angle here.

:57:34.:57:39.

Often, when you go to other people and say I think this parent to beat

:57:40.:57:43.

fabricating their child illness, they think you are mad, but the

:57:44.:57:47.

child has a real medical conditions and you are not clever enough to

:57:48.:57:52.

work it out. Right, so that's what some medical professionals think of

:57:53.:57:57.

their colleagues? I wouldn't say it about the medical colleagues. There

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is a believability, one colleague may be concerned and the other may

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say, are you sure you haven't ruled out a certain medical condition?

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Should we do other tests and ask for a second opinion? I think it's

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wrong. I've argued for years we need to express our concerns and most of

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all, avoid harming children until we have ruled out the possibility of

:58:23.:58:26.

child abuse. What sort of physical and psychological damage could this

:58:27.:58:32.

do to these children, do you think? Obviously, I can't, it on an

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individual case, but we know from research done years ago the outcome

:58:37.:58:39.

of the children after this is very poor. Probably one quarter carried

:58:40.:58:47.

on having limiting symptoms after they've been protected from the

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abuse. Some of the children end up dead or even severely disabled.

:58:51.:58:55.

Goodness. Thank you very much for talking to us. Doctor Paul Davies, a

:58:56.:59:02.

consultant paediatrician. That's mother has just been jailed for

:59:03.:59:06.

seven and a half years. It's coming up to ten o'clock. The latest

:59:07.:59:09.

Olympic news and the rest of the day 's news before that, the weather.

:59:10.:59:16.

Thank you. I'm going to let you enjoy more of this.

:59:17.:59:29.

normal bloke, a photojournalist from Denmark?

:59:30.:59:33.

Just a little more cloud towards the eastern side of the British Isles,

:59:34.:59:39.

coming in from the North Sea. As the heat of the day pours through, we

:59:40.:59:44.

will bubble up with the more cloud. Essentially, a glorious, fine day. A

:59:45.:59:49.

bit breezy across some western areas and the Channel coast. Watch out for

:59:50.:59:55.

the UV strength, quite powerful. Across the West Midlands, 28, the

:59:56.:00:01.

Highlands and the Moray coast, 25. More cloud bringing rain into

:00:02.:00:05.

Northern Ireland and eventually floating into the south-west of

:00:06.:00:10.

England and Wales. Elsewhere, another fine, warm day, with perhaps

:00:11.:00:13.

the highest of the temperatures towards the eastern side of the

:00:14.:00:14.

British Isles. Hello, it's Tuesday,

:00:15.:00:21.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, More medals for Team GB

:00:22.:00:22.

in the dressage, cycling and hammer. Mark Cavendish scoops up the final

:00:23.:00:39.

point on offer, which makes sure that he has the silver medal for

:00:40.:00:44.

Great Britain. After all the effort and after all the Olympic heartache,

:00:45.:00:53.

Mark Cavendish has an Olympic medal. What a wonderful throw! She is

:00:54.:00:57.

guaranteed the bronze medal. We will bring you up to date with all of the

:00:58.:01:01.

action. Plus which gold medal takes the most hard work, dedication and

:01:02.:01:06.

training to achieve? Our group of experts across sports including

:01:07.:01:10.

track and field, cycling, rowing and gymnastics will all tell us why

:01:11.:01:14.

their sport requires the hardest work ball! -- hardest work of all!

:01:15.:01:21.

Held captured and tortured by the group calling

:01:22.:01:23.

itself Islamic State - in the second part of our exclusive

:01:24.:01:25.

interview former hostage Daniel Rye tells us about his ordeal.

:01:26.:01:27.

When you think about what will happen when you get kidnapped by a

:01:28.:01:32.

group like that, torture is the first thing that comes up in your

:01:33.:01:40.

mind. So, yes, there was torture. We will bring you the rest of his

:01:41.:01:42.

interview after 10:30am. And a man is facing jail today

:01:43.:01:44.

after threatening to kill a Labour MP the day before Jo Cox was shot

:01:45.:01:47.

and killed in her constituency. We'll talk to that MP -

:01:48.:01:50.

Ben Bradshaw - about death threats Great Britain's Mark Cavendish

:01:51.:01:53.

achieved his ambition of winning an Olympic medal by taking silver

:01:54.:02:08.

in the omnium. The Manxman missed out on a medal

:02:09.:02:13.

in his previous two Games. He won four world titles and one

:02:14.:02:24.

Commonwealth in his career previously.

:02:25.:02:26.

He admitted it would have been nice to finish the collection

:02:27.:02:29.

with a gold and says, "I don't think I'll be going

:02:30.:02:32.

I can't do that cycling thing again, the Olympics.

:02:33.:02:38.

I don't know, I said that eight years ago.

:02:39.:02:41.

I said I would retire at some point but when I get home people will get

:02:42.:02:46.

sick of me and tell me to get back on my bike, so...

:02:47.:02:50.

Laura Trott could go one better in the women's omnium.

:02:51.:02:52.

She leads at the halfway stage of the event.

:02:53.:02:54.

The 24-year-old is now just three races away from claiming a fourth

:02:55.:02:57.

Olympic gold medal, 48 hours after she became the first

:02:58.:02:59.

Trott finished second in the scratch race,

:03:00.:03:02.

won the individual pursuit and then easily won the elimination race.

:03:03.:03:12.

Charlotte Dujardin joined Laura Trott on three Olympic gold medals

:03:13.:03:18.

by retaining her individual dressage title in Rio. The 31-year-old won

:03:19.:03:27.

gold on her horse Valegro. She was ahead of two Germans, who took

:03:28.:03:31.

silver and bronze respectively. Charlotte Dujardin amp won team

:03:32.:03:36.

dressage gold four years ago in London.

:03:37.:03:39.

London, I had no expectation or pressure. Today I felt a huge amount

:03:40.:03:44.

of pressure and expectation. For me, it could be one of the last rites on

:03:45.:03:50.

Valegro. There is the talk of retirement for him. So for me to

:03:51.:03:55.

finish in this way, it is really emotional.

:03:56.:03:56.

Diego Costa's late strike gave Antonio Conte a dramatic winning

:03:57.:03:59.

start as Chelsea manager with his side taking three points

:04:00.:04:01.

in their season-opener against West Ham with a 2-1 victory.

:04:02.:04:04.

With 89 minutes on the clock, the Spain striker picked up

:04:05.:04:06.

Michy Batchuiyi's header and found the net from 20 yards to spark wild

:04:07.:04:09.

Eden Hazard had put Chelsea in front from the spot before James Collins

:04:10.:04:16.

To start a new season with a victory, it is very important. The

:04:17.:04:37.

last season was very bad. When you have a bad season it remains in the

:04:38.:04:46.

mind of the players. A very sloppy goal. To be at 1-1

:04:47.:05:02.

until the second goal, we were at least controlling the game. Make no

:05:03.:05:10.

mistake, you are big disappointed when you concede a late goal. But

:05:11.:05:15.

they were better than us tonight. A winning start for Chelsea in the

:05:16.:05:18.

Premier League, I will have the headlines at 10:30am.

:05:19.:05:21.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:05:22.:05:23.

The UK's inflation rate, as measured by Consumer Prices Index,

:05:24.:05:26.

rose to 0.6% in July, official figures show.

:05:27.:05:29.

That compares with a rate of 0.5% in June.

:05:30.:05:34.

Let's go live now to the BBC Business Centre and speak

:05:35.:05:36.

to our correspondent Jamie Robertson.

:05:37.:05:42.

Jamie, tell us what this means? The inflation rate is a little bit of a

:05:43.:05:49.

surprise. We thought it would pretty much stayed the same. Two figures

:05:50.:05:53.

you have to look at, the consumer price inflation and retail price

:05:54.:05:58.

inflation. It is the RPI, the second one, on which things like train

:05:59.:06:03.

fares are set. That has jumped up in June, the yearly figure was 1.6%, it

:06:04.:06:10.

has gone up to 1.9%. That is a figure on which increases in 2017,

:06:11.:06:16.

lots of train prices, not all, but about half of them, particularly

:06:17.:06:22.

commuter fares, will be based. The consumer price inflation figure,

:06:23.:06:29.

0.6%, up a bit from 0.5%. What is interesting is that people thought

:06:30.:06:32.

it would take a little bit longer for the fall in the pound to bring

:06:33.:06:37.

in these inflationary pressures which are beginning to show

:06:38.:06:39.

themselves sooner than people thought. We thought that the slump

:06:40.:06:46.

in the pound which would make imports more expensive would feed

:06:47.:06:49.

through more gradually into the economy, but at the moment they seem

:06:50.:06:52.

to be coming through really quite quickly. Thank you very much, Jamie.

:06:53.:06:57.

The last Western hostage to be released alive by the self-styled

:06:58.:07:00.

Islamic State group says he feels sorry for so-called Jihadi John

:07:01.:07:02.

Photographer Daniel Rye travelled to Syria in 2013 to try and document

:07:03.:07:06.

the lives of people affected by the civil war when he was seized

:07:07.:07:09.

We'll show you the second part of his exclusive interview with this

:07:10.:07:13.

The police watchdog is investigating the death of the former footballer

:07:14.:07:19.

Dalian Atkinson after he was shot with a taser by officers

:07:20.:07:22.

The former Aston Villa striker, who was 48,

:07:23.:07:25.

It's reported he was having dialysis treatment for kidney problems.

:07:26.:07:35.

US Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has called for extreme

:07:36.:07:38.

vetting of immigrants to the United States.

:07:39.:07:40.

In a speech in Ohio, he outlined his plans

:07:41.:07:44.

to combat Islamic extremism, including a new screening test

:07:45.:07:46.

He said applicants would be tested to determine if they share

:07:47.:07:50.

His rival Hillary Clinton called the plan a cynical ploy.

:07:51.:07:58.

15 people have been transferred from the Guantanamo Bay

:07:59.:08:00.

detention centre in Cuba, to the United Arab Emirates.

:08:01.:08:04.

The release of the 12 Yemeni nationals and three Afghans

:08:05.:08:06.

is the largest single transfer of detainees during

:08:07.:08:08.

61 people remain at the facility, which Mr Obama has

:08:09.:08:15.

pledged to close, despite opposition from the Republicans.

:08:16.:08:20.

Viruses could be more dangerous if people become

:08:21.:08:22.

infected in the morning, new research indicates.

:08:23.:08:26.

Scientists from Cambridge University found that viral levels in animals

:08:27.:08:29.

were ten times higher if they had been infected

:08:30.:08:31.

in the early hours, rather than another time of day.

:08:32.:08:35.

They also found that shift workers have a higher risk

:08:36.:08:38.

of infection, because their body clocks are disrupted.

:08:39.:08:41.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30am.

:08:42.:08:48.

The Olympic gold medal - it's what every single

:08:49.:08:50.

athlete in Rio is desperate to get their hands on.

:08:51.:08:53.

Team GB athletes have got 16 of them so far.

:08:54.:08:55.

But are some gold medals more valuable than others?

:08:56.:08:57.

Do some athletes have to train and sacrifice far more than others?

:08:58.:09:03.

How do you compare, for example, four hours on the tennis court

:09:04.:09:06.

to win a gold with ten seconds on the running track

:09:07.:09:09.

This morning we're going to try and examine the training programme

:09:10.:09:17.

which goes into winning some of the most high profile medals

:09:18.:09:19.

in athletics, cycling, rowing, swimming, tennis and golf.

:09:20.:09:23.

But first here's an idea of just how much winning gold means

:09:24.:09:26.

I work hard and spend a lot of time away from my family and everything.

:09:27.:09:50.

You know, that one moment could be gone, it is not in your control. I

:09:51.:09:55.

just had to believe in myself, get through it. I wanted to do it for my

:09:56.:10:05.

kids. COMMENTATOR: Oceans of clear blue water between Adam Peaty and

:10:06.:10:10.

the rest of the world. Utterly brilliant, fantastic. Adam Peaty

:10:11.:10:13.

takes Olympic gold for Great Britain by an absolute street.

:10:14.:10:18.

It is a product of seven years of work. More importantly, I did it for

:10:19.:10:21.

my country, it means so much to me. The overriding emotion for me is

:10:22.:10:40.

relief, relief that this day is over, this week, this build-up, this

:10:41.:10:46.

four years leading up to it. It is literally four years, 350 Daisy

:10:47.:10:50.

Dick, building up to this moment, that six minutes, then it is over.

:10:51.:10:55.

COMMENTATOR: He has taken a breath, he knows he just needs to land this

:10:56.:11:01.

tumble. Fabulous landing, what a

:11:02.:11:06.

performance. Hours and hours, years and years in the gym, you get about

:11:07.:11:10.

one minute to show what you have been working on. To do it today, I

:11:11.:11:15.

don't know what to say, I am so happy. COMMENTATOR: It will

:11:16.:11:20.

certainly be Great Britain, Britain and a world record time! The awesome

:11:21.:11:25.

foursome have done it. Gold for Britain once more.

:11:26.:11:28.

The last 12 months, we've pretty much done everything together,

:11:29.:11:37.

training camps at altitude, early starts, late finishes up the track

:11:38.:11:40.

before Christmas Day, and all for this, you know.

:11:41.:11:51.

Band -- BAND PLAYS GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.

:11:52.:11:52.

OK, so let's try and work out how hard athletes have to work

:11:53.:11:55.

to get their hands on one of those precious golds.

:11:56.:11:58.

going to break it down now into some of the key sports and key figures

:11:59.:12:02.

The fastest man in the world won his gold medal in the 100 metres

:12:03.:12:09.

But how hard does he have to work to get

:12:10.:12:13.

He trains for 3 hours a day, 6 days a week.

:12:14.:12:17.

Each day's programme includes a 90 minute gym session which is designed

:12:18.:12:20.

towards developing explosiveness to maintain his top speed

:12:21.:12:22.

Well you may remember his Beijing olympic golds were fuelled

:12:23.:12:35.

These days he consumes around 5000 calories

:12:36.:12:38.

Compare that then to Mo Farah Mo Farah runs around 120

:12:39.:12:42.

A typical day can consist of a 10 mile morning run and a 6 mile

:12:43.:12:50.

Plus mid-week interval training up hills so he can fine

:12:51.:13:06.

On top of that he has one hour conditioning sessions several

:13:07.:13:09.

Mo Farah also spends several months away from home and his family each

:13:10.:13:14.

year, as he trains at high altitude camps out of the country.

:13:15.:13:16.

A more modest 2,500 to 3,500 a day - which even allows room for the odd

:13:17.:13:24.

Sticking with the track - what about Jess Ennis-Hill?

:13:25.:13:28.

She famously came back to win the world championships

:13:29.:13:31.

a year after giving birth to her son Reggie -

:13:32.:13:33.

She began training again three months after he was born and now

:13:34.:13:38.

trains twice a day - once in the morning and once

:13:39.:13:40.

in the evening in a gym in her garage once her son has

:13:41.:13:44.

Training for a heptathlon involves practising for seven track and field

:13:45.:13:47.

events and honing technique for each discipline.

:13:48.:14:00.

Away from the track - the most decorated Olympian

:14:01.:14:02.

of all time Michael Phelps is usually in the pool by 6:30 am

:14:03.:14:05.

where he swims for an average 6 hours - that's around 8 miles a day.

:14:06.:14:09.

And he consumes a whopping 12,000 calories - that's over quadruple

:14:10.:14:11.

Over the space of one five year period he trained every single day -

:14:12.:14:16.

without taking a single day off - no Christmas, holiday

:14:17.:14:18.

He did this because he worked out he would gain an extra 54 days worth

:14:19.:14:26.

the amazing American gymnast Simone Biles She trains up to 50

:14:27.:14:31.

hours a week - with gruelling sessions 6 days a week.

:14:32.:14:39.

Her coach says she's never worked with an athlete more committed

:14:40.:14:42.

Simone's routines are so difficult that she could even

:14:43.:14:45.

She is said to treat herself with a peperoni pizza

:14:46.:14:49.

He's the first male tennis player to ever win back

:14:50.:14:54.

To be the best, he trains for over six hours a day,

:14:55.:15:01.

on court, in the gym - even doing a bit of pilates too.

:15:02.:15:04.

His training programme can be so intense that he will work out

:15:05.:15:07.

on the step machine to the point of virtual collapse

:15:08.:15:10.

to make sure he's got the stamina for an epic match.

:15:11.:15:13.

This can include a whopping 50 pieces of sushi after a match.

:15:14.:15:20.

Let's quickly look at some other sports

:15:21.:15:28.

starting with rowers and Helen Glover.

:15:29.:15:31.

Rowers are famed for seriously

:15:32.:15:32.

Team GB's Helen Glover says she trains up to 3 times a day

:15:33.:15:37.

mixing it up between being out on the water and lifting

:15:38.:15:40.

That's double what the NHS recommend for an average woman.

:15:41.:15:47.

to win three Olympic gold medals - and she could add another before

:15:48.:15:53.

the end of Rio - so what does that take?

:15:54.:15:55.

Six hours training a day both in the gym and out

:15:56.:15:58.

cycling on the road - and a high carb and protein diet.

:15:59.:16:01.

After 112 years, golf is again an Olympic sport and Team GB's

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He says there's no way you can succeed at golf

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He regularly trains hard at the gym lifting weights

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Let's talk now to a group of people who are going to try and persuade us

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With us here, Paul Mill, a cycling trainer.

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And professor Amuelle Maracora, an endurance expert.

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Why are you going to pitch cycling is the hardest gold to get? I think

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a lot of it would be, from my perspective would be the endurance

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and the weather and the climate you have to train in a lot of the time.

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Especially in the UK, we have to go through variable climates and stuff

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like that and also in the clip we saw there with Brad talking about

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altitude camps and stuff, having to train from environment to

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environment, change things, I would say cycling is very much up there at

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the top. There are similarities. You would say rowing would equal that.

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Definitely, there is a solidarity amongst the swimmers, cyclists and

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rowers, it's brutal and tough and is a huge volume, so there's basically

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three sessions a day. Two hours in the water, then maybe two hours on

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the rowing machine and then two hours in the gym lifting weights in

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the afternoon. That's basically everyday. There is no bank holidays,

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no Christmas, which probably goes across all sports. We're outdoors

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and all-weathers and you are using all the muscles in your body. It's

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endurance. When you need speed and power, so you have to cover all the

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volume side of things or that base level of endurance and the ability

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to sprint so you can move them get out of the start fast and hopefully

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get those medals at the end. Steve, golf? We need a lot of endurance but

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golf is very technical. It requires a greater range of disciplines. They

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need to be athletes now at the top of their game. The game has got

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longer, the players have got stronger, they propel the ball

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tremendous distances. In the men's game, over 300 yards. There's no

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room now to think you can get away on your talent. You have got to

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train hard. Golf requires great coordination. It's a very technical

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sport. Not only do you need to propel the ball, it's about having a

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feeling and attach, and that takes an immense time to develop. A lot of

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training hours. One of the biggest things about golf, because the ball

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starts and stops stationery, we can measure everything about it, so we

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have to find you the golfer. Some golfers will need conditioning

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programmes so need more help with their coaching and some may need

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more help with their long game so it depends on the player. Certainly,

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the young players in England are very committed. Golf has not been an

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Olympic game for so long now, but for us to add to the tally is pretty

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good. The 200 metres sprinter, winning gold at the Commonwealth

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Games in Delhi. In terms of sprinting, on the track, how does it

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compare when you talk about the training to the rowing and the

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cycling? I think there's problems, longer running at the beginning of

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the season. A lot of speed, power, skill, coordination, required to run

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at the highest level. If you look at the likes of Usain Bolt, Justin

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Gatlin, those guys get out of the blocks very, very fast, and it's a

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skill they have two practice time and time and time again. They work

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with some of the best to improve their performances. What is a

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biometrics? It measures how fast you are running. They will do that on a

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regular basis. Like everyone here, you have to find thousands of the

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second but the training will go through your energy system. It is

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tough. For myself, I would run 300 metres in training and that, for me,

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was three times my distance. The 100 metres. Everyone here, if you add

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that up, people will run three times the distance, quite a lot in

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comparison. It doesn't sound like a lot but if you were... It's only 300

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metres, come on, blimey! Talk to us about endurance events including

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long-distance and swimming. I agree with my colleagues for the

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endurance, it's the hardest sport in term of training. I have scientific

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evidence for that. There was overtraining syndrome where people

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get chronic fatigue. It can ruin their careers and it's prevalent in

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newer sports. It seems that the amount of training, and I study

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mental fatigue, and the mental effort training requires can induce

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this state that you see in other sports. I do know if any body watch

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the documentary about Mo Farah and he was overtraining and his coach

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was saying, you need to stop now and he wanted to carry on mentioning

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Michael Phelps. Although it may be negative not to train that hard, not

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doing it and feeling you give an advantage to your competitors might

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have a psychological effect. It reduces your confidence that you

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will do better than them so we need to weigh the physiological effects

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on training where the psychological ones. You agree? Yes, it was a great

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insight, the Mo Farah documentary, because it showed that he was a

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person who was overtraining and he had the stuff around him to tell him

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that. As athletes, sometimes you might think you're not doing as much

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as you should be doing. In fact, you are full to be good almost get a

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little bit obsessed and think I need to do more and more and sometimes,

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that's not the case because you are at risk of injury, illnesses. And

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that's something you don't want to miss, the Olympic Games. Thankfully,

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he done really well a few days ago. He showed that all our hard work is

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doing is paying off. With the whole of the Olympics itself, whenever

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anyone gets gold, the first thing they do is thank their team and

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their support because without that, they wouldn't be winning gold

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medals, without a doubt. You do need coaches who will slow you down and

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take a back-seat and make you slow down on the training regime. If you

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don't, you're not going to achieve gold. I think that is across all

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sports now, the support behind it, it's massive. You also need to

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quantify the psychological effort and I think this is what is coming

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out now, although we started off saying how many hours a day do you

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do, there's no end to the psychological preparation? After

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those sessions, you might have specific video techniques or tactic

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sessions but you're also in your mind thinking, did I do that session

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well enough and how can I do the best one better and where can I get

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an edge? Where can I do something in a smarter way? The psychological

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training never stops and it's what food you eat, how well you sleep,

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recover, that is 24 seven. And that really came out when you saw Alex

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Gregory, the men's roller saying, it's four years, he was... His

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motion was relief winning the gold, not euphoria celebration, that will

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come, of course, and he knows what it feels like, but absolute relief

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about that for years was not wasted in that six minutes. That is

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pressure. Then there is oppression if you don't succeed, as well some

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of these guys may go through two Olympic cycles, eight years, and may

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have the opportunity to go for another one. How'd you build up for

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another four years, when you don't achieve, that's difficult? That's

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where psychologists play their part. Learning from previous mistakes that

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you've done past also. Also, it's not just about the training on the

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track and the swimming pool, on the boat, but the whole amount of

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psychological stress, self-control and athlete has, in terms of diet,

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if you put weight on, to control yourself, this is very tiring.

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Mentally. You need to take that into account as an athlete. I've just

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published recently some work which found a lead road cyclists, not only

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have better muscle resistance to fatigue and stronger hearts etc, but

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also more resistant at brain level. How does that work? We don't know

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why, it's properly a mix of genetics and training. You train your brain.

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We don't know exactly but there was a clear difference. The lower level

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athletes get mental fatigue and their performance suffered when we

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ask them to do a taxing cognitive task but the elite athletes didn't

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full service not just about the muscle but are very much about how

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well you are up here and how fatigue resistant you are in your brain.

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When you stop and retire, give it all up, do you lose all those

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skills? Training your brain? You do. You try to transfer it into other

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things but you inheritance we have that desire to do it a little bit

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better. -- inherently. Could I do it better? Now I'm a mother, that are

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very difficult thing because I can always do things a lot better. It's

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part of your mindset how you look at things. That's a great skill to work

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in the world which is why it retired athlete are fantastic resources

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because if you can get that discipline, that focus, ability to

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work with others translated, there's no end to what they can achieve in

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other fields should they choose to. I certainly agree the golfers get to

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the top and have a great advantage in our sport that there's not a

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retirement age people can go on and be competitive, and major winners go

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into their 30s so it's not unusual, Tom Watson, less than a decade

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nearly won a major at 59 on the seniors tour. And they can now help

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children into the game through coaching. We are very lucky in that

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respect. It's a game for life, perhaps, than some of the other

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sports. I would like to say, mental strength everybody talks about that

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edge, athletes, elite ones, it's true, however a lot of it is

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probably genetic. There was a thing on you tube about children trying to

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resist eating marshmallows. With kids? Three years old. Forget! There

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was a lot of outcomes later on in life, the ones who resisted, did

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better. People think genetics is about muscle and height, whatever,

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but it's also about the brain. Your ability to control yourself. Don't

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give up. It's very much, largely genetic. This has come from Ipswich

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fencing, I wonder what they are going to say? Fencing required

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speed, whilst trying to use precision timing and strategy. This

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e-mail from Gareth, sailors can only get one medal per Olympic Games and

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have two sailors many as 13 races over a period of a week or more

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sometimes, and it requires high intellectual ability whilst pushing

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your body to the limits. John on Facebook said, do some athletes

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train harder than others? Possibly. Because they have to have a natural

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ability than others also. There's a whole new area we could go into

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there. For another day, perhaps. So, there's no point me asking for a

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conclusion but I'm going to ask you for a conclusion. Is there a sport

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here, whether it is sprinting, golf, rowing, cycling, endurance events,

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which requires more training, more dedication, more commitment?

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It is the type of training. Different sports have different

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amounts. There are lots of psychological traits going on that

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we can all familiarise with, it all depends on the nature of the sport

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and the discipline required to be successful. It is hard to measure.

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If I was to try to do golf, I would find it extremely hard. Maybe if you

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were to try sprinting, you might find that odd. I think that is true!

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I love rowing, I love being on a boat, love being on a river. I could

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not translate that to something else because it was a bit less training.

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There is a 24-hour commitment for all these sports, there are

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differences but it is a huge life commitment to be the best in the

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world at what you want to do. That is a nice conclusion, I will take

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that. Thank you all! We have mentioned

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boxing when it comes to how hard athletes work and train. Nicola

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Adams' work ethic is never in question. She hopes to become the

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first female boxer ever to win gold in the sport. Women's boxing made

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its debut at London 2012. We went to train with her and get some tips on

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how to box. This is my signature move.

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I'm really excited, it is a chance for me to hopefully become a double

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Olympic champion. It has never been done before, I would love to add

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that piece of history to my belt. In boxing defence, you can slip, you

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can roll, hand offences, step away. How do you feel that you are an

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inspiration to women doing boxing now? It was a weird feeling at

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first, but I think it is nice. When I was growing up, there was not any

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female Olympic champions for me to look up to. Nicola Adams puts boxing

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gloves on me. It has taken some time for women's sport to progress, but I

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am glad that everybody is starting to see it and publicise it more.

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Look down. Start again. I was quite lucky, my coach did not mind me

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being a female and boxing in the gym. With some of the other girls,

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they got turned away from gins and they said no, women are not allowed

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to box. But you kept going, you did not give up? Yes. My coaches were

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always really good. They said there is no male or female here, only

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boxers. You can hit harder than that!

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No pressure. This time around, I will be a lot more confident. I feel

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a more rounded athlete. I have done in one Olympics already, I know what

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it is like, I know what to expect. Nicola takes to the ring today,

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follow her progress on BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Four, the sports website,

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Radio 5 live. You know the drill. Yesterday we bought

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you news of a marriage Race walker Tom Bosworth,

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whose story we've been following since he came out on this

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programme last year, popped the big question

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to his partner, Harry. Charlotte Dujardin got yet another

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proposal from her boyfriend. You will have seen him on the telly,

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can we get married now? He is sick of waiting.

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Elsewhere on social media, lots of love for this guy

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That was Kiribati weightlifter David Katoatau.

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And here is how the Kazakhstan he weightlifters celebrated.

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COMMENTATOR: A world record, the roof is coming off the plays,

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deservedly so. What a performance! And just how good are these

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two at diving? Do you see what's a man has done?

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Dived into a cup! -- what someone has done. That is how good the

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Chinese are at diving! Let's have a look at another

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dive featuring no water. Have a look at Shaunae Miller's

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amazing dive across the finishing Look at this picture

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which really captures it. And this is Michael Johnson's

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response. And here's one person's

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take on her dive. When there's one piece of pizza left

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family dinner. The second part of exclusive

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interview with the man held captive by Isis -

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former captive Daniel Rye tells us he never imagined

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he could come out alive. Here's some sport

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now with Will Perry. Great Britain's Mark Cavendish

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achieved his ambition of winning an Olympic medal by taking silver

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in the omnium. The Manxman missed out on the podium

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in his previous two Games. Having won four world titles and one

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commonwealth he admitted it would have been nice to finish

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the collection with a gold and says, "I don't think I'll be

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going for Tokyo but you never know." Defending champion Laura Trott leads

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the women's omnium at the halfway Trott's now three races away

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from claiming a fourth Olympic gold the first British

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woman to win three. Charlotte Dujardin is now

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level with Trott, picking up her thirrd Olympic gold

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by retaining her individual She won aboard her 14-year-old horse

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Valegro. And Sophie Hitchon became the first

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British woman to win an Olympic hammer medal by taking bronze,

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throwing a new British record on her final attempt to climb

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from fifth to third. They are the headlines,

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I'll have an Olympic round up for you on the BBC

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News Channel at 11am. Earlier in the programme we heard

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the first part of an exclusive interview with Daniel Rye,

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a Danish photographer who was kidnapped and held hostage

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by Isis for 13 months. He was captured along with other

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hostages including US journalist James Foley,

:37:30.:37:31.

British taxi driver Alan Henning and aid worker David Haines,

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all of whom were murdered by IS. At his lowest point in captivity,

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Daniel Rye tried to take his own life rather than face weeks,

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months or potentially years more torture at the hands

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of so-called Jihadi John, Mr Rye tells us today that

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despite the vicious cruelty he endured, he feels sorry

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for Jihadi John, whose real name was Mohammed Emwazi -

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brought up in London and reportedly He said he'd want to sit down

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with his kidnappers and ask why they treated him

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with such brutality. Daniel Rye's family eventually his

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family raised enough money - over ?1 million -

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to secure his release. -- Daniel Rye 's family eventually

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raised enough money to secure his release.

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In the second part of his first British interview, Mr Rye explained

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how he came to terms with what had happened after he was freed.

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When I was released, I came back to my family. That is not the things

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that you want to speak about, the first... I don't want to sit down

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and tell my mum Halai try to kill myself and stuff like this, she

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didn't want to sit down and tell how she was crying behind a container

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where she was working. So the person who wrote the book, having them

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sitting down and doing very much in-depth interviews with both me and

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then my family, put it together in a book that both of us could read. I

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have written things in my book that I did not know anything about it all

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-- I have read things in that book. And my mum wrote to me and she said,

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I did not know it was that bad. As, she always thinks the best scenario

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for her son, of course. -- as a mum. So far is to know each other's story

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was very important for me. They had to raise the money, because the

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Danish government, like the American and British governments, will not

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pay ransom is all hostages. Before I left for Syria I had kidnapping

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insurance which was supposed to help me in case of some of the small

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groups, but suddenly I was taken by Isis and the insurance did not last

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at all. A bigger power had to help me. You had to give answers to three

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what are described as proof of life questions so that your family would

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know you were still alive and it was worth raising this money. And

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through the help of a man called Arthur in the book, they are

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effectively having an e-mail conversation with your kidnappers,

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with Isis, in order to negotiate the money, the drop points and where you

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will be transported to? When you realised you were going to be

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released, and I think it was, in fact, so-called Jihadi John who

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said, OK, Daniel, you are going home, what did you think? Right

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away, I was very excited. Like, the first thing I was thinking was

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finally me. It is a very selfish way of thinking, but I have seen... We

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were 19 guys in the same room, most of us, at that point I had seen ten

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of my fellow cell-mates going home. So I was like, finally me. And then

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I stood up, because we always had to face the wall when they came in and

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spoke to us, and when they left, I stood up, turned around and looked

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at my friends. The three British guys and three American guys. And

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then I completely lost all the excitement inside myself. I felt so

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bad. I felt so ashamed about the feeling I just had. Because, you

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know, we had this thing that we wanted to leave together. We had

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this idea that when we're going to be released, we are going to the

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hotel and we are eating everything from the buffets and having long

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showers and we just imagines how we would experience this release

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together. And then suddenly that was not the plan. From the book, it

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sounds like it was clear to you when you were still in captivity that the

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British men, the American, they were being treated differently from other

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nationalities. They were never asked to record a ransom video, they were

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never asked proof of life questions. Know. So we could see there was a

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picture starting to appear. That was difficult. That was when you kind of

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start to face the reality a bit. When Orange Guantanamo Bay style

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jumpsuits were brought to you all, what did you think at all? It was an

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awkward situation. I really had to go to the toilet at that point, I

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remember, so I was not thinking but much. First afterwards we started to

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talk about it. But you obviously did not know it was a precursor to you

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being taken to watch one of your friends to be executed? We didn't

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watch one of our friends being executed. That was a guy we did not

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know, he just came in from the street, basically. That guy, we did

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not know. Seeing that man's execution, I remember my feeling was

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very strange, I felt very relaxed afterwards. I was like, OK, if that

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is the way it is going to be, it seems like a quiet way, you know? A

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bullet through the head, it is all over with. You know? At least you

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had a very clear vision of how it will end. That kind of made me calm

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down a bit. In a strange way. What do you think it was that kept

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you going through the 13 months? My friends. It was the fact we were

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people together for the even though sometimes we hated each other more

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than anything because we were in a small room, it kept us sane, the

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thing which helped us. I tried to take my own life after two weeks in

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captivity. If I had been together whether a person, that person might

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have said to me, don't do that. We will get through this. So the fact

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that every time something bad happened, we could tell each other,

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come on, we will get through this. When there was something a bit more

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exciting happened, we could laugh together, enjoy this moment together

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if we had a bit extra food. Definitely, definitely it was the

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fact that we were held together. That kept me sane, kept all of us

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sane. And sometimes, I know it sounds laboured, but sometimes I

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miss... Because there was nothing, at some point there was nothing that

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disturbed us. There was nobody sitting on an iPhone, talking, we

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could have a conversation for four or five hours, straight, without

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anybody interrupting, just about one very boring subject. If we were

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there, we were speaking very clearly to each other. And being so, I don't

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know the words, so intense, sometimes, that was a strong

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feeling. I remember. Something like this. A little bit from back then.

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Reports suggest that Jihadi John was killed by a drone strike last year.

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When you heard that news, what did you think? First of all, I was

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not... I did not react very much to it because, first of all, we heard

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of terrorists reportedly being dead three or four times, so we cannot

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check if he is dead. It is in Isis' interests to tell us he is dead, so

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maybe he is dead or maybe he is not dead, maybe just sitting in one

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place laughing because we all think he is dead but my point is, I am not

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happy about anybody's being killed, even him, I don't think it's fair. I

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don't think it's justice. I know it is a war, but throwing bombs from

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drones down to people, you can't check if they hit a school, or

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Jihadi John, and that puts them back to the point, if they caught him,

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and put him into a fair trial, I would have loved to have come and

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bear witness. I would loved to have been part of what I believe is a

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fair system. So the fact of just celebrating a person being blown

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into pieces, I don't really think that is how I raised and how I

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believe the world should be. Can I ask you how, if it's possible, how

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you rationalise the fact that people that became your friends lost their

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lives after you afraid, people like James Foley? Alan Henning. David

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Haynes. The first thing you say is why them? And, yeah... That was how

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it ended. I cannot do anything about that. So I tried to think about how

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it would have been for myself and I know how it is to see a place where

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you would rather be dead than alive. Daniel Rye.

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You can read Daniel's full story in his book,

:48:37.:48:38.

Thank you to those who got in touch about what Daniel Rye has said this

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morning. Ishmael says, he is amazing. The most amazing interview

:48:49.:48:51.

I never listen to on your programme. I pray for him and wish them well.

:48:52.:48:57.

Ian, I admire Daniel Rye for forgiving his Isis captors. This

:48:58.:49:01.

from Chantelle, I'm so moved by this man's experience whilst being held

:49:02.:49:06.

hostage by Isis. Jan says, watching Daniel Rye on your programme, a

:49:07.:49:10.

sympathetic interview, amazing interviewee. What an amazing story.

:49:11.:49:17.

I'm so glad he was freed to tell the world what was going on. You can

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watch the full interview again on our programme page.

:49:23.:49:25.

A 37-year-old man is facing jail today after admitting threatening

:49:26.:49:29.

to kill a Labour MP the day before Jo Cox was murdered

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Geoffrey Farquharson left a message of venom on Exeter MP

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The two minute call, which included homophobic comments,

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ended with the words, "I will kill you, you expletive."

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Good morning. Hello, Victoria. Tell us more about this phone call to

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your office. It was the culmination of several months of abuse and

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aggression in the form of e-mails and calls and visits to my

:50:10.:50:16.

constituency office. From this gentleman, who appeared to believe

:50:17.:50:21.

that he was the victim of anti-white racism and I repeatedly asked him

:50:22.:50:25.

for evidence of that and he had complaints against the police and I

:50:26.:50:28.

asked for evidence of that and he never provided any evidence but his

:50:29.:50:31.

behaviour became more and more angry and aggressive and it finally

:50:32.:50:34.

culminated in this death threat the day before Jo was killed. It

:50:35.:50:43.

included homophobic abuse, as well? Yes, homophobic abuse, pretty

:50:44.:50:46.

graphic homophobic abuse but also racist and Islam are phobic abuse

:50:47.:50:50.

not directed at me obviously, but directed more generally at society

:50:51.:50:57.

as he saw it. He did I think introducing self on the call and

:50:58.:51:03.

give his full address as well. Yes, we knew who he was because he'd been

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in touch with my office and had been, you know, dealing with my

:51:07.:51:12.

staff in my constituency office on a fairly regular basis. Yes, he wasn't

:51:13.:51:17.

somebody who tried to hide his identity or appear from nowhere.

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Nevertheless, we had to take the call seriously. We were advised as

:51:23.:51:25.

MPs to report death threats like that. I have to say, the police

:51:26.:51:31.

dealt with it extremely quickly and very effectively. I would like to

:51:32.:51:34.

thank Devon and Cornwall police for the way they handled this case. This

:51:35.:51:40.

man Geoffrey Farquharson had a YouTube channel when he published a

:51:41.:51:43.

video of a separate phone call he'd made to your office in April before

:51:44.:51:45.

he was arrested. Here's a clip of comments

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he made in that video, People phoning the police

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on you because you're telling They are out to choke

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stuff out of us. They're allowed to abuse us,

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physically attack us and we're the ones getting

:51:58.:51:59.

arrested and subjugated. There is something very wrong

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going on here and I am I can tell you that we're

:52:02.:52:04.

heading towards civil war. I'm trying to stop this but I can

:52:05.:52:10.

tell you it's heading that way. If you love your country like I do

:52:11.:52:13.

then you would be doing something Because if you're just moaning

:52:14.:52:17.

online then you're a coward. You've

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got to start doing action now. It doesn't mean going to marches

:52:26.:52:27.

and beating people up, you don't have to do that,

:52:28.:52:30.

you can go on marches and do it You can write letters to the MP,

:52:31.:52:33.

you can make appointments to see the MP, and keep

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going on and on and on and on. I don't think you necessarily had

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that before. What did you think? No, that was pretty mild in comparison

:52:47.:52:53.

to some of the stuff we received. I don't know anything about his

:52:54.:52:55.

politics. I haven't sat through the court case and maybe more details

:52:56.:53:01.

will come out but I saw a picture of him wearing a vote leave T-shirt at

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the time he issued a death threat to me. We'll have to wait and see what

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the judge decide on what comes out when the sentencing happens. I think

:53:10.:53:15.

psychiatric reports have been asked for. Our death threats to MPs

:53:16.:53:20.

actually the new normal, part of your regular working life? Well,

:53:21.:53:25.

I've had them before. I was animal welfare minister mummy took through

:53:26.:53:27.

the hunting ban and that was a pretty rough period. There were

:53:28.:53:33.

statistics out recently which showed a big increase in threats and death

:53:34.:53:36.

threats in particular to members of parliament in the last few years and

:53:37.:53:43.

I certainly I think many of us hoped Joe Oxman was killing would lead to

:53:44.:53:47.

a deeper reflection of the culture we have in a moment -- Jo Cox's. I'm

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afraid this has become socially acceptable. It's got worse full

:54:02.:54:05.

subeditor on the dreadful abuse Angela Eagle suffered when she

:54:06.:54:08.

challenged Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership, I think, if

:54:09.:54:14.

anything, it's got worse, not better since Jo's death. I hope when that

:54:15.:54:19.

case comes to court, we can have a deeper reflection as a country as to

:54:20.:54:23.

how we build a kinder and more civilised political discourse. Some

:54:24.:54:28.

of the abuse Angela Eagle received that you mentioned where from Labour

:54:29.:54:32.

supporters, who didn't particularly supported her challenging Jeremy

:54:33.:54:35.

Corbyn. I don't know whether they were Labour supporters. Most MPs

:54:36.:54:42.

have had this kind of abuse in their time. There seems to be a particular

:54:43.:54:47.

problem with misogyny. My female colleagues get much worse than male

:54:48.:54:51.

colleagues do. Whether social media has given the misogynists are

:54:52.:54:57.

licensed to sound off. But we have it from extremes of left and right,

:54:58.:55:02.

but, yes, you are right, what Angela had to put up with is absolutely

:55:03.:55:07.

unacceptable and dreadful and, you know, I do hope that we can learn,

:55:08.:55:13.

as a society, from some of these incidents and tried to do better in

:55:14.:55:17.

future. Jeremy Corbyn himself, since he became leader, there has been

:55:18.:55:22.

plenty of absolutely vicious abuse directed at him, too. Yes. That

:55:23.:55:29.

should be condemned as well. But I think, in the end, condemnation is

:55:30.:55:35.

not enough. Political parties, whichever party, has to have proper

:55:36.:55:40.

procedures in place and a complete no tolerance approach to this sort

:55:41.:55:44.

of abuse fall for this not just condemned and criticised, but the

:55:45.:55:48.

people responsible for it dealt with quickly and efficiently and I'm not

:55:49.:55:53.

sure that has always happened in the last few months. In my own party,

:55:54.:55:56.

I'm sure other parties suffer similar problems. Are you saying

:55:57.:56:01.

there's not really those systems in your party to deal with those

:56:02.:56:08.

hurling at this abuse? I think it's got better and the general Secretary

:56:09.:56:15.

General medical and his hard-pressed staff in our central office in

:56:16.:56:18.

London have worked their socks off to deal with some of this and to

:56:19.:56:23.

filter out some of the people responsible for it. It's a

:56:24.:56:27.

responsibility to report it and I'm confident in the Labour Party and

:56:28.:56:30.

its staff. Political leadership however requires not just absolutely

:56:31.:56:37.

strong and unequivocal condemnation, but action against all forms of

:56:38.:56:41.

abuse and threats and intimidation. I do worry that we have a culture

:56:42.:56:47.

building up in the context of this leadership campaign, where those

:56:48.:56:50.

sorts of civilised norms are not always being respected on both sides

:56:51.:56:54.

and I think that's something we should take very seriously. Thank

:56:55.:57:01.

you for your time this morning. The 37-year-old, who left about

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threatening message will be sentenced today. We will hear the

:57:07.:57:07.

outcome on BBC News. Just before the end of the programme

:57:08.:57:15.

time to bring you this. Professor Brian Cox has had a public

:57:16.:57:18.

row with a newly elected Australian politician who believes climate

:57:19.:57:21.

change is a global conspiracy. The British physicist was appearing

:57:22.:57:23.

on an Australian TV show called Q and A alongside senator-elect

:57:24.:57:26.

Malcolm Roberts from the The absolute, absolute consensus is

:57:27.:57:38.

that human action is leading to an increase in average temperatures for

:57:39.:57:40.

the view may try to argue with that, but you can't. I'm absolutely

:57:41.:57:47.

stunned that someone who is inspired by Richard Feynman, a fantastic

:57:48.:57:50.

scientist who believes in empirical evidence, is quoting consensus. I

:57:51.:57:59.

have brought the graft. First of all, the data has been corrupted and

:58:00.:58:07.

we know... Corrupted? By whom? Manipulated by Nasa. As far as I'm

:58:08.:58:10.

concerned for politics should be based on empirical evidence and

:58:11.:58:14.

policy should be based on it, I've heard consensus which is not

:58:15.:58:17.

science, appeals to authority which is not science, I have heard

:58:18.:58:27.

various... Hang on. The evidence. Always bring a graph.

:58:28.:58:30.

Tomorrow we're live from Nottingham from 9 o'clock in the morning

:58:31.:58:32.

for a Labour leadership special featuring a live audience

:58:33.:58:34.

and the two men who want to be leader of the Labour Party,

:58:35.:58:38.

Wherever you are in the UK do join us from 9 tomorrow.

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