24/08/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Wednesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling

in for Victoria, welcome to the programme.

An earthquake has struck central Italy leaving

The epicentre was only 65 miles from Rome, with the worst damage

I am a mother no longer. under the house.

excited. That was taken away from me seven weeks ago. I just hope that it

was worth it. At least 20 people have been killed

and others trapped in rubble after an earthquake in the central

Italian region of Umbria. Amatrice, has said that many

buildings have collapsed. He said he believed half

of the town had gone. The quake, which measured magnitude

6.2, hit at about half past three local time this morning and was felt

as far away as Rome and Venice. Reports of lives lost

and buildings reduced to rubble. At 3:30am the earthquake struck,

reaching a magnitude of 6.2. It was felt across large

swathes of the country, The worst hit areas appear to be

small hilltop villages in the area. Helicopters are being sent out

to assess the damage. At the moment I am in a little

village called Camartina. But I know that for sure,

we had two people die in the location called Arquata del

Tronto, that is the municipality. So we have so many houses that

may be destroyed. The Mayor of the small town

of Amatrice told Italian television that buildings had collapsed,

saying half the town was gone. And in close by Accumoli,

it's reported that a family of four This is an area vulnerable

to earthquakes. In 2009, the same region was struck,

more than 300 people died. As the day goes on, and more help

arrives, the true extent Eve Read is on holiday near Perugia,

and was woken by the earthquake. Thank you for joining us. Tell us

what happened. There's ten of us staying in a farmhouse. Three

generations of my family. We were all woken after 3am with relatively

violent shaking off the bed. Was it clear to you what had happened? Not

me, I said to my husband, what is that. He said, don't panic, it is an

earthquake. We waited until it had subsided. How long did it go on and

how violent was the shaking. I think it was six or seven seconds after we

woke up that we heard it. Can you describe what it was like to be in

the house, was damage happening at the same time as the movement was

happening? It was not clear whether damaging things were happening, it

was shaking quite a lot. It is quite a strong old building, 200 years old

farmhouse. Obviously it has been standing for some time, renovated

relatively recently. There has been some damage, one of the ceilings has

come down in the bathroom. Otherwise, some cracks but it

appears to be OK. You mentioned there were ten of you in the house.

While you worried? Yes. Tried not to panic. First thought was the

children, then checking the rest of the family was OK. Congregated in

the hallway of the house. At that point in time I guess we did not

think about after-shocks because it is not something British people are

prepared to think about. That happened, about one hour later. That

shook us to the same extent. How many after-shocks have there been?

Quite a lot, to be honest. Probably six or seven relatively large ones.

Excuse me, a lot of small ones. We only noticed them because glasses

were clanking together or things were moving. Have you been able to

see much outside and whether there's any damage around you in the area?

We are in an extremely rural area, we can only see a couple of

properties close by. We know that the neighbours ROK. We've spoken to

another couple whose house has been damaged more than this one. But it's

very difficult for us to see whether anything else destroyed or damaged.

Presumably this will dominate your thoughts, even though luckily you've

been unscathed and there's very little damage where you are. Are you

trying to keep across everything that is happening in the aftermath?

We are staying ahead of what is happening on social media. We don't

have any access. Trying to relax after what is happening. We are

still a little bit shaken and clearly we've not suffered anything

near the amount of damage. Thank you very much. Let's go to our

correspondent, tell us exactly where you are. Clearly quite a lot of

damage behind you. I've arrived in Amatrice. You can see some of the

damage behind me. I've seen some sniffer dogs in the last few minutes

instructed to go inside the buildings and see if there are any

survivors trapped inside, and if we look this way you can see the extent

of the damage on one of the main roads here. There are relief

workers, ambulance workers, men and women, I've seen policemen as well.

We came up the hill with relief workers. We saw men with spades and

shovels. I should stretch is -- I should stress that the atmosphere is

quite calm. A number of people have been walking quietly down the hill.

One man was carrying a suitcase. A lot of the people looked dazed.

People have been removed from the hospital. Patients have been treated

in the courtyard. The atmosphere is calm. We still don't know how many

people may be trapped underneath the rubble. This obviously struck in the

middle of the night. Potentially half the town has gone. What is your

assessment? It's hard to tell. We've walked through the entryway to the

town. Looking past the camera I can see at damaged building over there.

The main street, about a third of the buildings are damaged beyond

repair. It is difficult to verify but it is easy to say that there is

significant damage her. There are helicopters in the sky so it is

clear that the... The relief work is carrying on as they tried to work

out the scale of the disaster. They are trying to work out who is

missing. Everybody here knows each other. Local people will be

reporting in. Most people here will have been asleep at home so it might

have been easy to account for people. I can see more dogs working

over there. That is one of the most immediate ways to work out if

anybody is trapped underneath the rubble. What size is the tone? Do

you know how many people live there? I don't have an estimate at the

moment. But just looking at the number of buildings, there are

probably several thousand people coming here, living here. Obviously

they will need to do a very big count of exactly who has survived

and who is missing. I should stay that we should stay out of the way

because they are escorting some one which we will not sure you for the

moment. We're not getting in the way of emergency workers, there are a

lot of media around here and we step out of the way any time an emergency

worker needs to get by. Thank you very much. The population of

Amatrice is around 2700. James will keep us up to date on it. We saw the

helicopter is trying to assess the scale of the damage in the

surrounding area. Let's go to the deputy editor of The Times

newspaper. She is on holiday and staying about 50 miles from the

epicentre. Thanks for joining us. Tell us what happened where you are.

Like the previous lady you interviewed, we were fast asleep,

dead bait. -- dead of night. When the earthquake struck, it really

could not have been anything else. It was utterly terrifying. The house

started to shake, it gradually got more intense, the noise was

appalling, this rumbling thunderous clinking as if there was a train

approaching us. I sat up and yelled at by husband, it's a earthquake. We

got out of bed by which time on of the people we were staying with was

yelling upstairs because we had 17 teenagers asleep on the top four.

They came eventually. All of them were very dazed. The electricity had

gone. Somebody grabbed the phone. We got and into the garden. We chatted

and assessed what happened. We were baffled. We had no clue what to do

so we went back to bed. Within ten minutes the after-shock hit which

was more terrifying because by then we were conscious of what was going

on. At that point we abandoned the house altogether, grabbed sheets and

blankets, it was very cold. It was the middle of the night. There were

a lot of tremors carrying on. As the sun came up, we saw how badly the

house was damaged. Cracks down on the walls. One of the chimney is

looking very wobbly. All the plaster on the top floor has come off the

walls. With every half hour that goes by it looks worse. I cannot

imagine what it is like in the towns you've been reporting on. We can see

the damage behind you and obviously you left the building because you

were concerned people could get harmed. Is the scale of it enough

that if you'd stayed in the host people could have been harmed? There

were some very large chunks of plaster dropped onto the bed of the

kids and because it was pushed against the wall, it landed on top

of them. One of them clearly put his arms out because he had scratches

down the back. They might have got bashed on the head but nothing

actually collapsed. The really scary thing was none of us had a clue what

to do. There was a lot of flapping around and what we did was get out

of the house. In many ways I'm more afraid and than I was when it

happened because it was an intense experience and not something people

would want to go through. If it is as bad as it was where we are, I

cannot imagine what it is like. It looks like a pretty solid building

from what we can see behind you but does it feel safe to still be there?

It's funny you ask. We've gone back into clear up. It does feel solid.

It is a solid looking farmhouse. Everything is working apart from the

electricity. I got quite a few tweets after I said we had got back

into the house, saying, don't go back into the house.

We have a builder coming this morning to have a look. And my

friend has gone into the village to find out the extent of the damage to

her house. I think people here are used to earthquakes, although it has

not happened here since our friends have been in the area, which is a

good ten years. Thank you for joining us. We will of course keep

you up-to-date with the situation in central Italy throughout the day.

Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

A 21-year-old British woman has been stabbed to death at a backpackers'

A 30-year-old man, also from the UK, is in a critical condition.

used the Arabic phrase "Allahu akbar" during the attack.

We have had three people stabbed, one deceased and two injured. It is

shocking and the motivations for it are unclear. As I have said, there

are a number of different circumstances that could be at play

here. Our investigation is trying to determine what they are.

The man challenging to become the leader of the Labour Party says

if he wins the contest he will try to stop Theresa May

Owen Smith said the party would oppose triggering Article 50

until the Government agreed to a second referendum or a general

Meanwhile, current leader Jeremy Corbyn will pledge today

to renationalise the NHS and bring services provided privately

Turkey says it has started a military offensive to drive

so-called Islamic State militants out of northern Syria.

The Turkish army says it has begun firing artillery rounds

into the IS-held border town of Jarablus.

US Vice President Joe Biden will visit Turkey today,

the most senior Western official to visit since last

A worldwide ban on plastic micro-beads in cosmetics should be

imposed as soon as possible, according to a group of MPs.

The Environmental Audit Committee says the tiny balls

of plastic used in shower gels and face scrubs can be

found in Arctic sea ice and on the deep ocean.

The MPs say synthetic fibres from warm car tyres and even fleece

We want the Government to institute a national ban to deal with the

national problem we have in the UK. We would also like to see the

government working with other European countries and the cosmetics

industry to get that ban rolled out across the European Union, because

it is a transnational problem and these particles move about in the

seas and end up on our shores. We will talk to a reporter and a

microbiologist about this in an hour's time.

Detectives leading a criminal investigation into the Hillsborough

disaster have released CCTV images of 19 men they want to speak to.

96 fans were killed as a result of the crush

at the football ground in Sheffield in April 1989.

Senior officers have stressed that the men pictured had

And Joanna will be speaking to relatives of two

Hillsborough victims and a lawyer in the next hour.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

Let's get some sport now with Tim Hague at

Celtic are through to the Group Stages of the Champions League

for the first time in three years - but they had a real

scare against Israeli champions Hapoel Beer Sheva.

Celtic took a 5-2 lead to Israel, but a poor defensive display saw

But they scraped through on aggregate and will earn at least

They'll will find out on Friday who they face when the draw is made

Manchester City look certain to follow Celtic

They have a 5-0 advantage over Steaua Bucharest heading

into their second leg at the Etihad Stadium tonight.

Watford and West Brom were knocked out by lower league opposition in

the second round of the EFL cup last night.

There were no such problems for Liverpool, though.

Daniel Sturridge scored the best of their goals in the 5-0

win over Championship side Burton Albion.

American surfer Kelly Slater has recorded an extremely rare

perfect score at the world surf league in Tahiti.

And to give you an idea how hard that is to do,

it's only the ninth time that's ever happened

Surfing will be part of the Olympics in Tokyo in four years' time.

Not too late for you to go for gold, Joanne!

Thank you very much! Use of MDMA, the key

component of ecstasy had been It's use has dipped over the last

year but now the concern is, increasingly strong forms

of the drug are on the market and they're widely

available on the dark web. James Longman has spent some time

with 18-year-old Leslie, In his film, he also met the mother

of 22 year old Stephanie Shevlin, who died in June, after

taking an ecstasy pill. At just about any festival

in any part of the country, But the people doing it

are getting younger. It's the drug of choice

for 18-year-olds at festivals The purity of the drug has also

increased, exposing young lives to even larger doses,

and it is now around online, making it easier

than ever before to buy I've come to Nass Festival

in Somerset. It's an event that

celebrates music, The crowd here is young,

15,000 people will And although the event has a zero

tolerance on drugs, you can tell We've joined up with Leslie,

not his real name, and his mates. He's 18, and he's pretty open

about his drug-taking. Last year, we had something

that wasn't that strong, So you know what you're

taking is stronger now? I do a lot of research

before I buy it. MDMA is the main chemical element

in what's commonly called ecstasy. The higher the amount of MDMA,

the stronger the pill. He tells me that the MDMA he's

taking this year is very strong. The night before, he said

it was the first time he had ever Just when I was walking to one

of the sets, it suddenly hit me. I'd be happy, just really

excited, raring to go. I don't know, you just feel

like you can do a lot more. For this weekend,

Leslie bought 24 pills. They cost him ?85, and he bought

them off the internet, He says they are some

of the strongest available, one Because he's buying online,

Leslie thinks he knows So the quick answer

to that is, you don't When you buy this on the internet,

you're taking the word And you think that the level

of purity in these drugs has been going up and up,

because you can buy them directly from the internet,

you don't have to go You literally just log on,

click "Buy", and they are Do you think that's how

most people here will be Stupid people will get dirty stuff

from the streets before they come. So you think because you buy

it on the internet, They are a lot cleaner,

from experience of what I've taken. Buying online has not only made

getting drugs easier, it's also meant that pills

with higher concentrations of MDMA have become more widely available

to people like Leslie. Without the dealer, those making

the drug can sell directly Organiser Ryan Matthews is clear

his festival is against drugs, but it's difficult to see how

an event like this and you can see his eyes

wide with the drug. It's not as bad today

as it was yesterday. Walking down from the campsite,

I talked to his friend. because you don't know

what you're taking. You're taking something that's been

made, probably in a garage, in Luton on a trading

estate, by some guy who's And the night really begins

for Leslie and his friends. A lot of people here seem

like they're on something. Drugs have long been

a part of growing up. But the drugs are getting stronger,

and the users younger. So it's just coming up

to 12 o'clock. They've got another couple

of hours left of partying, But what he did do is, he gave me

a pill, and we are going to go and get it tested to check just

what's inside these things. And then hopefully,

we are going to meet up with him and tell him just

what he was taking. walks with the dogs, arguments.

Make-ups. Just playing with the kids,

being with the family. Michelle Shevlin knows

about the dangers of MDMA. In June this year, her 22-year-old

daughter Stephanie died after taking When I found out that MDMA was one

of the causes of her death, that contributed to her

death, I was angry. It's hard to understand how

somebody can be here one minute, I do cry, I cry to sleep,

I cry when I wake up, It doesn't get any easier,

and the days at the moment seem I just have to try and get

through it as best as I know how. She's a mother in mourning,

but also angry at the people who sold her daughter

the pill that killed her. I just hope that person's losing

sleep every night they're alive. That was taken away

from me seven weeks ago. I just hope that what they sold my

daughter, I just hope it doesn't happen

to another person, I just don't know how they can

sleep at night. Two weeks have passed since

the festival, I've come to Tictac drug

identification in London to meet Can you tell me

what you found in it? If you go back, traditionally

an average dose in an ecstasy tablet would have been somewhere

between 85-115 mg. So the one you brought

in is considerably higher than that. And for someone to be taking maybe

two or three of these in one evening, that's close

to a gram of MDMA. It's a lot of MDMA the person

would have in their system. So Leslie's pill was as strong

as he thought it was. Trevor says it's incredibly

rare for a user to know So we know that Stephanie Shevlin,

who died just a few weeks ago from an MDMA overdose,

was taking this drug, But we also know that Leslie

was taking a very powerful dose of MDMA, and he hasn't had any

negative side effects. I think that illustrates very well

the lottery of taking There are a lot of reasons,

or a lot of ways in which drugs affect people,

and they affect people differently. Trevor says MDMA has had a definite

resurgence this year, with a greater variety of shapes

and colours, a sign perhaps I met back up with Leslie

to tell him what we found. Do you remember what happened

the rest of your night? I'd love to tell you,

but I can't remember. I can't remember,

to be honest. Because with MDMA, your isotones

drop when you take it, so you have to take more to feel

the same effects as the first time. So, I have the certificate here,

and the only active So, it had pretty much

exactly what you thought Because it was risky buying

it off the dark net, and it coming to you, you really

don't know if what they said, what they said might not be what's

actually in it. This time, the pills Leslie bought

were what he thought they were. But, what you actually get

is still a lottery. So, I think probably what he wanted

to make clear is that this is an extraordinary

amount of drugs I took about, probably,

nine or ten of them. When you put it like that,

that's a lot, isn't it? But I only took about

three, four night. We've also filmed a woman,

Michelle, whose daughter died just a few

weeks ago, actually. And, she died after taking half

a pill, and then another half pill Considering how much I took,

and how much she took, it's quite a big difference,

and she died from it, unfortunately. Lucky, but I get the sense this

won't be the last time The MDMA available to him

and others his age is far stronger than it's ever been,

and much more readily available. But while the dangers are obvious,

the party continues. And we'll be speaking with some

experts around some of the issues covered in James Longman's films

a little later in the programme.If you've been affected by any

of the issues raised in our film and are looking for further help,

support or information on mental health then please call the BBC

Action Line on 08000 564 756 or head Let's show you some pictures

from Italy now following this To recap - at least

20 people reported Several towns and villages have been

destroyed.It had a magnitude Its epicentre was close to the town

of Norcia, near Perugia. Buildings have collapsed and many

people are missing. is popular with tourists and many

are there as it is the Those are the latest pictures coming

with the rescue effort under way. We'll be talking to

the mother of a British man accused of trying to shoot

the Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump -

who's been told she can now And growing calls for

a ban on microbeads - the tiny plastic balls found

in facial scrubs and shower gels - Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news. At least 20 people have been killed

and others trapped in rubble after an earthquake in the central

Italian region of Umbria. The mayor of one town in the area,

Amatrice, has said that many He said he believed half

of the town had gone. The quake, which measured magnitude

6.2, hit at about half past three local time this morning and was felt

as far away as Rome and Venice We were all fast asleep,

absolute dead of night. When the earthquake struck,

although I've never experienced an earthquake before,

it couldn't have been anything else. A 21-year-old British woman has been

stabbed to death at a backpackers' She was from Wirksworth in

Derbyshire. Another man also from the UK is in a critical condition.

It's alleged that the French suspect used the Arabic phrase "Allahu

We've had three people stabbed and one dead

It's a shocking attack by any standards.

There are a number of different circumstances that could

be at play here, and our investigation is trying to determine

The man challenging to become the leader of the Labour party says

if he wins the contest he will try to stop Theresa May

Owen Smith said the party would oppose triggering Article 50

until the government agreed to a second referendum or a general

Meanwhile current leader Jeremy Corbyn will pledge today

to renationalise the NHS and bring services provided privately 'back

Turkey says it has started a military offensive to drive

so-called Islamic State militants out of northern Syria.

The Turkish army says it has begun firing artillery rounds

into the IS-held border town of Jarablus.

US Vice President Joe Biden will visit Turkey today,

the most senior Western official to visit since last

A worldwide ban on plastic micro-beads in cosmetics should be

imposed as soon as possible, according to a group of MPs.

The Environmental Audit Committee says the tiny balls

of plastic used in shower gels and face scrubs can be

found in Arctic sea ice and on the deep ocean.

The MPs say synthetic fibres from warm car tyres and even fleece

I'm going to be speaking about micro beads with a marine biologist.

Sometimes it is obvious with whether they are in the products. Sometimes

it is not. We will keep you up-to-date. Let's catch up on the

sport. Celtic are through to the Group

Stages of the Champions League for the first time in three years -

but they had a real scare against Israeli

champions Hapoel Beer Sheva. Celtic took a 5-2 lead to Israel,

but a poor defensive display saw But they scraped through

on aggregate and will earn at least Manchester City look

certain to follow Celtic They have a 5-0 advantage over

Steaua Bucharest heading into their second leg

at the Etihad Stadium tonight. Watford and West Brom

were knocked out by lower league opposition

in the second round of

the EFL cup last night. There were no such problems

for Liverpool, though. Daniel Sturridge scored the best

of their goals in the 5-0 win over Championship

side Burton Albion. Olympic bronze medallist

Chris Froome remains in third place after stage four

of the Tour of Spain. Frenchman Lilian Calmejane

took the stage victory with Froome finishing in the pack

alongside his main rivals. After a brilliant test

series which finished 2-2, England and Pakistan go head to head

in the first of five one day Ben Stokes returns after injury,

while England could play A police officer who served for 20

years has successfully sued Scotland Yard after it

unlawfully obtained details of where she and her daughter

had been on holiday. Andrea Brown won her case

last month. We'll be

speaking to her in a moment. First, we can get the

details from our legal Andrea served for 20 years. In 2011

she was off sick, she had depression. She decided to take her

mother and daughter on a trip to see the family in Barbados. She informed

her representative but did not inform her line manager. At this

point, senior officers working at Sutton police station decided to use

powers that the state gave to police to obtain personal data on Andrea.

They managed to get details on her travel going back five years. She

approved an application to Virgin Atlantic and in doing that cited an

act of Parliament that does not actually exist. Managed to obtain

details about them and took action to sue the police. Provided some of

the information. Shortly before the trial they admitted the breach in

data protection and of her human rights, to a private life. The

misuse of private information, we are more used to hearing that about

celebrities but she fought and won that in both cases. The judge said

she appeared glib and flippant and was astonished at how loose and

casual grasp of the law. She lost claims for misfeasance in public

office. She won that victory. The Met police have said they are not

commenting on the case until damages are awarded. How did you find out

that your case was being dealt with in this way? That five years of

records were being trawled. I took them to an employment Tribunal for

victimisation, disability discrimination and other matters.

Part of the procedures means you need to disclose documents. I

discovered the application form sent in. It was the National border

targeting Centre. They gave her five years of information about my travel

arrangements in and out of the country. One of the things was an

act of Parliament which does not even exist being cited. How did you

feel when you discovered that has been done? I saw, I had never heard

of that, I tried to look it up and it did not exist and that's why I'd

never heard of it. Were you angry? I was very angry. How did it make you

feel about the way you'd been treated? I just thought, if another

police officer had successfully obtained information we would have

been sacked and dismissed for misconduct. Yet we've got an

inspector that done this, I'd not done anything wrong, did not realise

I needed to inform my line managers I've gone away, they thought that

justified them to take the action needed and it was totally

disproportionate, it was not necessary, and it was illegal. Has

been an explanation as to how an act that does not exist was quoted? I'm

not sure. For what relatively speaking was a minor matter, they

had the power to use investigatory Powers. If you had a disciplinary

matter at the BBC, you would not expect them to be able to

investigate you as a criminal and go back and find your travel

arrangements, who your travel companions were. That's what's

perfect in this case, -- that what happened in this case. The judge

commented that there was a very loose grasp of the law. Is this

likely to be a one-off? They campaign on the data protection and

issued a report, they discovered over a 4.5 year period there was

something like 2050 breaches of data protection and in 80% it was for no

purpose whatsoever. It is clearly not an isolated incident and it

seems to illustrate a lack of awareness of data protection law

within sections of the police. Andrea, what do you want to happen

now? I am still waiting for a judgment from the court case. What

sort of damages would you anticipate? They have got to pay

back my legal fees because I won most of the case. I am just waiting

to see how much compensation I get. But I sold my house to finance this

and I own family members and friends money, so I would like to be able to

pay them back. And the fact that it happened at all, how does that leave

you feeling? Obviously, the issue is known about. I feel very

disappointed in the way the whole matter has been investigated. When I

reported what the eye Sarah Rees had done, no one appeared to be

interested and they were just like, well, we are entitled to do that and

we were justified in doing that. But I knew they were not. You so you had

a battle. A big battle. Thank you for coming in.

Let's show you some pictures from Italy now following this

morning's strong and deadly quake.

at least 20 people are reported to have been killed.

Several towns and villages have been destroyed.

Up to 60 after-shocks were reported after the first quake.

Its epicentre was close to the town of Norcia, near Perugia.

Buildings have collapsed and many people are missing.

The area is popular with tourists and many are there, as it is

Emergency services are trying to use earth-moving equipment and sniffer

The mayor of Accumoli has said "Now daylight has come,

we can see the situation is more dreadful than we feared".

"Buildings have collapsed, people are trapped under

The mayor of the town of Amatrice has said "Three quarters of the town

"There are voices under the rubble, we have to save the people

The town of Amatrice has a population of 2700. You can see the

rescue workers trying to listen out for noises under the rubble.

Speaking this morning in the Vatican, the Pope has said

that "Hearing the mayor of Amatrice say that the town no longer exists

and hearing that there are children among the victims,

We have just made it to the town of Amatrice, and this looks like one of

the worst affected areas. This is one of the town's main streets, and

as I look down on it, I can see damaged buildings on either side of

the road. We made our way in with relief and rescue workers, and you

can see that they are going about their work, trying to find whether

anybody is still trapped under the rubble. There are also Sniffer dogs

here. Every few minutes, you see somebody going by with a sniffer dog

to see whether there are any survivors. The earthquake hit this

town are 3.30 in the morning, meaning that most people here will

have been asleep in their homes. Helicopters are flying around the

area as they tried to assess the scale of the impact of that

earthquake. As daylight broke, it has become clear that the scale of

the disaster is worse than they had feared. On the left-hand side of the

screen, 2700 people lived in Amatrice, and helicopters are trying

to assess how many other towns may be similarly affected. We will keep

you updated. There are growing calls for plastic

"microbeads" found in many cosmetics and toiletries to be banned

because they're polluting our seas The tiny plastic balls,

commonly used in facial and body scrubs, are already being phased out

in the United States, and today a group of MPs

are calling for the Government In a moment, we'll speak to marine

biologist Dr Laura Foster, but first we sent our reporter

Lesley Ashmall out to buy some You have come back with quite a

stash. This is just a tiny handful of the 80 or so products out there

that contain these tiny plastic microbeads. You will know what I

mean, the small, abrasive beads in a lot of exfoliating creams and so on.

You can see them clearly in some products. You can. Supposedly, if

you are very thorough at exfoliating in the shower, you can release as

many as 100,000 of these tiny plastic beads into the sea. And is

it always clear? It isn't always clear, even when you can see them.

Some products label very clearly that they have got microbeads in

them. With others, you have to look at the tiny small print on the back.

Polythene is one of the most common ingredients of microbeads. But some

products are a bit misleading. For example, the toothpaste we see here

says it has bicarbonate of soda in it, so you would think that was the

abrasive ingredient. A natural ingredient. But actually, if you

look closely, they have also got the polythene in them. Lawro, you are

concerned about the impact of the plastic on the marine environment --

Lawro. What are your concerns? Our concerns are that people are buying

these products, they are using them and than that plastic is ending up

in the ocean and being ingested by marine organisms. How much plastic

do you think there is in the ocean? Millions of tonnes are being

released into the ocean over a year. And this is a highly preventable

problem. The report is saying we can do something about this. The concern

is that fish are consuming this. What are the fears about the impact

on fish, and punitively in the end on people consuming those fish --

presumably? We already know that consuming microplastics has a

negative impact in terms of reproduction. So you can imagine

that they are ingesting this and then they are feeling full, for

example. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. This allows certain

chemicals to be concentrated in these microplastics, which has

potential for added health problems. If it is causing health problems for

fish, what is it doing to us when we put it on our faces? We don't know,

and there has not been any proper research on the harm it could do us.

But there is a general international concern that we have way too much

plastic in our oceans, that it isn't good for anyone. You mentioned the

United States phasing it out. Europe is also looking for a ban. This

report is calling for a reduction in this plastic. If it is phased out,

there will be wholesale changes in the products we have got used to. It

is interesting, because all of these companies say they are working to

phase it out, which would be in line with the US ban. By 2020 at the

latest, they will phase it out. I know Laura may disagree, but they

said it takes time to find and test alternative ingredients. This

product, the Clinique product, the older versions of this have

microbeads. The newer now coming into our do not. Some manufacturers

are at least starting to change the ingredients. Before microbeads

Camelot, there were products. -- before they came along. With sand

and coconut, yes. How long have these products been around the

Laura? The first record we have is 1974, but really in the last ten

years, it has picked up the pace. If you look at an average bottle, you

can see how many thousands of micro plastic bits you can get. In the

Marine Conservation Society, we have been pushing firstly for a voluntary

ban, which did not work. Now we are pushing for legislation. We have had

a statement through from Ahmad Hammer, which says it has been

proactively working towards a new formulation that does not contain

lethally microbeads, which will replace the current product in

December 20 16. -- from Ahmad Hammer. We will develop an

alternative to deliver the results that loyal customers expect. That

was the toothpaste we were talking about. All of these manufacturers

say they are working on it, it just will not come into force yet. A lot

of it will come in by 2017. Laura, are you reassured that it is being

looked at an actual -- manufacturers are starting to do something? One of

the challenges is how they define microbeads. We really want to talk

about microplastics. Microbeads can sometimes only mean one type of

plastic. We want to cover all types of microplastics. When we first

started this project with flora and fauna International, looking at UK

retailers, we were focusing on the scrubs. Then we realised that they

were in things like deodorants, and we saw that actually, we need to

look at a range of products. Shaving foams as well. We also know that

flushable wet wipes have plastic in them. There is a whole range of

products that people have not realised about. Many are focused on

these microbeads. Thank you very much.

Still to come, we'll have more on the earthquake that's

Let's get the latest weather update with Jay Wynne.

Yesterday was a very hot day across swathes of England and Wales. The

heat today is more restricted to East Anglia and the south-east. The

main reason is this rather diffuse era of cloud, which is a weak cold

front drifting slowly eastwards, introducing more clout for Northern

England, parts of Wales and the Midlands. Still some spells of

sunshine. Hazy sunshine for East Anglia and the south-east. In

Scotland and Northern Ireland, a much better today than yesterday.

And warmer than yesterday as well. On the other side of that weather

front, we have hot air lingering in the south-east. This evening, we

will see thicker cloud drifting up from the south. A few rumbles of

thunder with that, but not much rainfall. Not as warm as last night,

but still in the upper teens. A bit fresher across Scotland. A decent

day again for Scotland and Northern Ireland tomorrow. A different day,

though, for England and Wales, with heavy downpours developing and

potentially a rumble of thunder. Some of the downpours could be

torrential across northern England. In most places, temperatures are

down a good not draw two. Then into Friday, the wetter weather eases. We

will see wet weather in the north and west, but other places will have

a decent day. More clout in the south-east, but a lot of dry and

bright weather. Towards the start of the weekend, this area of low

pressure will push this weather front and northwards, which will

spread some thundery rain across England and Wales, but it will also

turn things warmer in the south-eastern corner.

It is Wednesday, I'm Joanna Gosling, in four Victoria.

The epicentre was only 65 miles from Rome, with the worst damage

We will bring you the latest. The atmosphere is calm. We still don't

know how many people may be trapped underneath some of the rubble. There

are fears people could be trapped under the rubble. Also on the

programme, more about the increasing strength of the drug MDMA and the

risks. Normally I react well. What does that mean? I would be excited.

Welcome to the programme. At least 20 people have been killed after a

strong earthquake hit central Italy. Amatrice, has said that many

buildings have collapsed. He said he believed half

of the town had gone. The quake, which measured magnitude

6.2, hit at about half past three local time this morning and was felt

as far away as Rome and Venice. Reports of lives lost

and buildings reduced to rubble. At 3:30am the earthquake struck,

reaching a magnitude of 6.2. It was felt across large

swathes of the country, The worst hit areas appear to be

small hilltop villages in the area. The Wall fell and did not hit me. I

was lucky. The ceiling fell on my head. I was luckily not hurt. Small

towns are among the worst hit. The mere of Amatrice told Italian

television half the tone was gone. Emergency services treat local

people here, as yet, the extent of the casualties remains unknown. We

don't want to give figures because the risk giving the wrong numbers.

The system is efficient and ready to act. We have difficulties in

reaching areas and we are trying to solve with the help of the Army.

People are trying to accept what happened and this local priest is

distraught. We are living through the tragedy and hoping there will be

the fewest number of victims possible and we will have the

courage to move on. As the day goes on, the true extent of the damage

will be revealed. The tone of Amatrice has a

population of 2700 people. Our correspondent is there. We just made

it here. From what we can tell this looks like one of the worst affected

areas. This is one of the main streets. As I look down at, I can

see damaged buildings on either side of the road. We make our way in with

relief and rescue workers. You can see that they are going about their

work trying to find whether or not anybody is still trapped. Every few

minutes you see somebody going by with a sniffer dog to try to see

whether there are any survivors. The mind that this earthquake hit at

3:30am. Most people here will have been asleep in their homes here.

Right now, the mayor and the authorities, we need to move away

whilst a fire engine comes through. They will be trying to account for

everyone here so they can see if anyone is missing. This is one of

the biggest buildings that has been hit. You can see that it has not

collapsed but is now almost uninhabitable. The dogs have been

going through is building to check for survivors but it has only just

begun here. The relief effort is getting under way. Every moment I

see more coming over the hill. This is a challenge for the authorities

to make sure they can rescue everybody and make sure nobody is

trapped under. Lets talk to a law student in Brighton who is in Italy

looking after his grandmother. Can you tell us what has happened? I

was woken up by this loud noise and then I realised everything was

shaking. The first thing I was thinking was this earthquake is

similar to 2009. I made sure that it was OK for my grandmother as well.

Then I just stayed there. When I went back in, I saw some of the

furniture had collapsed. Thankfully, nothing bad happened just some small

creases. Was there much damage? Just

furniture damage. Not too much damage outside. Mostly because

buildings in this neighbourhood were badly damaged from another

earthquake a couple of years ago, they were built in such a manner,

they were able to withstand this. Did you experience the earthquake in

2009? I did not. But I did in 2011. This was the worst I've experienced

so far. It happened at night. I could not see anything because we

don't have any street lighting. The concern is the scale of it has not

to be assessed. How well do you know the area? What is the population

where you are? The region has many villages. They build on the side of

mountains because the valleys in the mills were swamped it is very

difficult to act in these villages. It is hard to get to these places.

The villagers themselves have a couple of hundred in them. It is

hard to move from one village to the next one. These villages have

withstood problems in the past. They are buildings that were built to

last. We are seeing pictures where the earthquake has brought down some

of these robust stone buildings. It is incredibly sad. Unfortunately,

most of these were built before there were measures for earthquakes.

Thank you for joining us. You were around 50 miles from the worst hit

areas. Thank you for joining us. What is the picture where you are? I

went out this morning and everything seems absolutely fine and calm. Last

night, when I will suddenly, the bed was moving round the room, the

furniture was shaking, my mother was screaming. She is 90 years old, my

first thought was to get to her. There was another quick 20 seconds

after and I went to her bedroom to make sure she was OK. I went outside

the block of flats, it's a new build, the structure should be

sound. The lights were on. The reality of this morning, looking on

the BBC News website. What's devastation has happened. I felt

quite calm at the time. It is very sad to see all these people caught

up in the earthquake. Everyone was talking about it. When you speak

about that, what you've seen on the images that is away from where you

are? It felt really strong, to move a

double bed from the left to the right with me on it, and the

wardrobes and a chest of drawers, we were just looking at pictures on the

walls and they are slightly tilted. It was with quite a force, the

earthquake. It must have been a big shock. Thank you for joining us.

Let's show you some pictures we've got. You can see they are carrying a

little girl out from the rubble. That girl was dug out of the rubble.

It's hard to see how old she is from those pictures. Being brought out of

the rubble. Obviously the focus in the immediate aftermath, trying to

get out to anybody who may be alive and trapped. The rescuers are using

sniffer dogs, mechanical equipment. This is the scene live. It is the

village that the mayor has said has been effectively destroyed, around

half to three quarters of the buildings in that village are

estimated to have been destroyed. It has a population of 2700 and it is

not possible to estimate how many residents may have been trapped in

their beds when that great hit and have not yet been able to report

safety. But our correspondent is there and will keep us up to date.

You can see people waiting when the rubble. The rescue operation

involves a lot of listening and patience at this stage. We will keep

you updated on what is happening. Also, that is another of the

villagers that has been hit by the quake. -- villages. Let's talk to a

resident in south-west of Perugia. Tell us what happened where you are.

Unfortunately, he cannot hear me right now but we will try to talk to

him shortly. Pope Francis has cancelled a speech and spoken about

the earthquake before leading Amatrice. The virgin is embracing

you with her motherly love and we are embracing you from St Peter's

Square. I would like to thank all the volunteers and the workers from

the civil protection who are rescuing people and I would like you

to join me in prayer so that the Lord may comfort these hearts and

give them peace. Let us be moved with the Lord. We

will postpone until next week and I invite you to recite with me for our

brothers and sisters are part of the holy Rosary. The Pope speaking

earlier. These pictures, we will keep you up-to-date with them

throughout the day. Annita is in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of the rest A 21-year-old British woman has been

stabbed to death at a backpackers' as Mia Ayliffe-Chung

from Wirksworth in Derbyshire. A 30-year-old man, also from the UK,

is in a critical condition. used the Arabic phrase

"Allahu Akbar" during the attack. We've had three people

stabbed and one dead It's a shocking attack

by any standards. There are a number of different

circumstances that could be at play here, and our

investigation is trying to determine Turkey has begun a military

offensive to drive Islamic State militants out of a border town

in northern Syria. Turkish tanks have crossed

into Syria, and warplanes and artillery have hit targets

in the IS-held town of Jarablus. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan,

says the move is aimed at "putting Owen Smith, who's challenging

Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership of the Labour Party, says if he wins

he will try to stop Theresa May Mr Smith said the party would oppose

triggering Article 50 until the Government agreed

to a second referendum or a general Meanwhile, current leader

Jeremy Corbyn will pledge today to renationalise the NHS and bring

services provided privately A worldwide ban on plastic

micro-beads in cosmetics should be imposed as soon as possible,

according to a group of MPs. The Environmental Audit Committee

says the tiny balls of plastic used in shower gels

and face scrubs can be found in Arctic sea ice

and on the deep ocean. The MPs say synthetic fibres

from warm car tyres and even fleece We want the Government to institute

a national ban to deal with the We would also like to see

the Government working with other European countries and the cosmetics

industry to get that ban rolled out across the European Union, because

it is a transnational problem and these particles move

about in the seas The danger to people's mental health

from taking increasingly strong ecstasy and MDMA is the "greatest

it's been" in decades. That's the message from health

experts who say they're worried the negative affects the class

A drug has on people Figures show the number of people

going to hospital for treatment for mental and behavioural issues

after taking stimulants Detectives leading a criminal

investigation into the Hillsborough disaster have released CCTV images

of 19 men they want to speak 96 fans were killed

as a result of the crush at the football ground

in Sheffield in April 1989. Senior officers have stressed

that the men pictured And Joanna will be speaking

to relatives of two Hillsborough victims

and a lawyer in the next hour. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. Celtic are through to the Group

Stages of the Champions League for the first time in three years -

but they had a real scare against Israeili

champions Hapoel Be'er Sheva. Celtic took a 5-2 lead to Israel,

but a poor defensive display saw But they scraped through

on aggregate and will earn at least They'll will find out on Friday

who they face when the draw is made Manchester City take a 5-0 lead

into their second leg certain to follow Celtic

into the group stages. They have a 5-0 advantage over

Steaua Bucharest heading into their second leg

at the Etihad Stadium tonight. It could be England goalkeeper

Joe Hart's final appearance He's likely to play but will soon be

third choice at City, once Barcelona goalkeeper

Claudio Bravo signs this week. Premier League sides Watford

and West Brom were both knocked out by lower league opposition

in the second round of There were no such problems

for Liverpool, though. Olympic bronze medallist

Chris Froome remains in third place after stage four

of the Tour of Spain. Frenchman Lilian Calmejane took

the stage victory on the final climb with Froome finishing in the pack

alongside his main rivals. After a brilliant test

series which finished 2-2, England and Pakistan go head to head

in the first of five one day Ben Stokes returns after injury,

while England could play American surfer Kelly Slater has

recorded an extremely rare perfect score at the world

surf league in Tahiti. And to give you an idea how

hard that is to do - it's only the ninth time

that's ever happened Earlier, we brought you a film

by reporter James Longman, exploring with Warren Kane, who says there's

no problem taking the drug, along with Dr Dima Abdulrahim,

who specialises in drug treatment. But first, take a look at when James

met MDMA user Leslie. Drugs - they've long been

a part of growing up. But MDMA, which is the main chemical

element in ecstasy, is And it's more powerful

than ever before. The users are also getting younger,

able to buy it online We've joined up with Leslie,

which isn't his real name, and his mates at a festival in

Somerset. For this weekend,

Leslie bought 24 pills. They cost him ?85 and he bought

them off the internet, Because he's buying online,

Leslie thinks he knows So the quick answer

to that is, you don't know But when you buy this

on the internet, You are taking the word

from someone... And you think the level of purity

in these drugs has been going up and because you can buy them

directly from the internet, you can literally log on,

click buy and they are A little later and Leslie

has taken a pill. You can see his eyes wide

with the drug. The MDMA, is it stronger

than you remember? It's not as bad today

as it was yesterday. I think it's because I did it

yesterday. And the night really begins

for Leslie and his friends. But what he did do is he gave me

a pill, and we are going to go and get it tested to check just

what's inside these things. Two weeks later, and

the results are in. If you go back, traditionally,

an average dose in an ecstasy tablet would have been somewhere

between 85-115 mg. So the one you brought

in is considerably higher than that. So, Leslie's pill was as strong

as he thought it was. Trevor says it's incredibly

rare for a user to know It seems MDMA has come

back bigger this year, with a greater variety

of shapes and colours. A sign, perhaps,

of a growing market. I met back up with Leslie

to tell him what we found. So, I have the certificate here,

and the only active substance So it had pretty much exactly

what you thought was in it, 230 mg. Because it was risky buying it off

the dark net, and it coming to you, you really don't know

what they've said. What they said might not be

what's actually in it. This time, the pills Leslie bought

were what he thought they were. But what you actually

get is still a lottery. So, I think probably what he wanted

to make clear was that this is an extraordinary amount

of drugs to be taking. In the end, Leslie took ten

of the pills he bought that weekend. That's nearly two and

a half grams of MDMA. For young people like Leslie,

the drugs are getting stronger, the dangers greater,

yet the party continues. We can talk now to Dr Dima

Abdulrahim, who works with the NHS club drug service in London, which

helps people who think them drug habits are getting out of hand. And

Warren Kane, who has used MDMA since the 1990s, joins us from Cornwall.

Dr Dima Abdulrahim, are you seeing an increase in the number of people

experiencing problems, having taken MDMA? Well, at the club drug clinic,

we see people who have problems resulting from chronic use of MDMA.

There has not been an increase yet, because it usually takes a while for

problems to develop, possibly as a result of the much stronger pills.

But we are aware that there is a new generation of stronger pills going

around, potentially causing severe problems, one in terms of overdose

and drug poisoning, but also a minority who get into trouble as a

term of longer term infrequent use who will end up at services like

ours when they feel the problems have gone beyond what they can

manage, like the moment they feel they cannot stop using on their own.

Do you feel there is a new level of risk as a result of the pill is

getting stronger? Well, it is early days and the research is limited.

But yes, we assume that because of the new generation of pills, which

is significantly more potent than the generation before, the harm will

increase. In the first people who will see the harm is will be people

within emergency departments, who will see people turning up as a

result of overdose of MDMA. Having said that, I don't want to over

sensationalise the issue. We know millions of people use ecstasy every

year, from the crime survey of England and Wales. Warren has been

taking MDMA since the 1990s. I wonder if you have experienced a

difference in the sort of MDMA you are taking now, compared with

previously? From the early days, it was probably similar strengths

anyway, to be honest. So I would say it has gone back to the strength of

the first ones I was taking. So you're saying it was strong, and

then it got weaker and now it is strong again. What is the different

experience when you take those? Have you had a knee problems? No. It's

like with anything. If you take the drug in moderation, it's fine. You

just have to know what your limits are. If you take two or three pills

at once, you will have problems. But I don't think the strength is an

issue, it's just how people use it. Dr Dima Abdulrahim, is that a fair

thing to say, that if you know your limits, you are OK? As with all

drugs, people react differently to the same drug and the same person

may react differently at different times. One person could have a

terrible reaction and the other might not. Absolutely, or the same

person could have a different reaction at different times. But

there is always a risk, because you never know what you are taking and

how potent it may be. Warren, how do you react to that? I think it's very

rare that people have a reaction to it. People have a reaction to

alcohol every weekend, people get poisoned and nothing gets sad about

that. These drugs are obviously illegal, and Dr Dima Abdulrahim says

it is a lottery when you take it. I would not promote people taking it,

it is a personal choice. It is a lottery as to what is in the pills.

If it is pure MDMA, the risks are very low. But the pills are made in

factories where people do not know what is in them. It could be

anything that is mixed with the MDMA. But you are prepared to take

something where you do not know what is in it? I have done in the past,

yes. I have taken that risk. But I am not saying you should. And I have

been fine. What is the difference now? Probably now, there is more

chance that you will get MDMA from what I have heard in your film. So I

would say the risk is less, it is just the strength issue. But if you

don't go crazy, you should be fine. I am not promoting it, but I am

saying I have never had any issues and I have seen more people have

issues with alcohol at the weekend and with MDMA. Dima, how would you

respond to that? Well, as I said, I do not want to sensationalise this.

Many people take it without any serious effects. But sometimes it

does go wrong, and there is a whole host of health harms and social

harms that can happen, in as much as it takes over your life, it affects

work and family. Of course, there is no denying that some people manage

to take it without having any long term effects. But it is a lottery.

You do not know what you are taking, and you do not know the potency of

what you are taking. Dima and Warren, thank you. We will talk

about how MDMA can affect mental health later. If you have been

affected by any of the issues raised in our film and are looking for

further support, please call of the BBC action line.

Let's get the latest on the earthquake in Italy. Let's show you

the latest pictures we're getting. These are live pictures from

Amatrice and you can see that the rescue workers are working their way

through the rubble. One small area of one small village. This has

happened in a rural area where there are a number of hilltop villages,

and that quake has brought down a number of buildings but at this

stage it is still difficult to establish what the impact will have

been in terms of the number of casualties. It was a magnitude 6.2

quake and it hit at 3:30am. It was felt as far away as Rome and Venice.

This particular tone we are looking at has said that more than half the

buildings in the town have been destroyed. The epicentre was close

to Perugia. Buildings have collapsed and many people are still missing.

The intensity of this has been compared to one in April 2009 in

which 2009 people died. Emergency services I using sniffer dogs as

part of the rescue. Pope Francis cancelled a speech he was due to be

giving. The mother of a British man accused

of trying to grab a police officer's gun to shoot the Donald Trump has

been granted the chance to visit him in prison. The 20-year-old has

pleaded not guilty to disrupting an official function and weapon charges

that could get him up to 30 years in prison.

I want the fairest possible outcome for my son.

He attempted to do something very severe and that needs to be

taken into consideration, but I need to know how it's come

to this point, what has happened to him in the last year in America?

Who he has been mixing with, what has put these

Because people with autism, they do suffer with

single-mindedness, but for someone who has never been

considering politics in any way to be so extreme,

something, somewhere, has changed that.

Do you accept he might potentially get a lengthy prison sentence?

I have been told through reading the press he faces 30

years in prison and a ridiculous amount of fines.

There is no way he would be able to cope with that.

As I said, he's a gentle, very calm person by nature,

and he would just see there is no point.

Why would he live the next 30 years of his life in the situation?

So I fear he would attempt to commit suicide again.

The latest as you will be able to visit him. Yes. Unfortunately, my

mother and daughter would love to visit as well. I'm hoping we can

raise the funds. When do you think you can go out and see him

face-to-face. How have you been able to contact him? He made reverse

charge calls to me, I have received a bill of thousands of pounds which

is ridiculous. When I speak to him he is extremely distressed and

angry. He's just not coping. He just wants to come back to the UK and get

help. That is what you want. He went there as an adult, why should he not

face justice in the United States as an adult? As long as he faces

justice I cannot see why it should be in the UK. You have the

facilities to give him the care he needs. It would be costly to them

over there. Why should he be brought back here? The help he needs is not

available over there. He's a young man with considerable, extensive

medical health conditions that are very complex and severe. He is still

very much a little boy in an adult's body. You said he does not

understand the seriousness of the situation. You are saying he's very

sorry for what has happened. He understands now. He did not realise

at the time. People with autism understand things in a different way

to the rest of us. He was clearly not in the right frame of mind. I'm

not saying for one minute he should not have a sentence but it needs to

be over here where he can have love and support from his family

alongside any psychiatric care. We are fundraising for legal fees on

the crows Justice website. Let's bring you an update on the latest

death toll. We are hearing that the number of people believed to have

died in the quake is 37. It has just gone up in the past few moments from

20. Obviously, this is still unfolding situation with the quake

hitting. Emergency services still trying to get a handle on how this

has affected them. We are focusing on two places which are the worst

hit areas. Amatrice has a population of 2700. You can expect that people

will have been asleep in their beds. It is a situation of trying to

establish how many people are alive and how many villages are affected.

The latest figure that we have is at least 37 have been killed in that

earthquake. Earlier this year, the families

of the 96 men, women and children who lost their lives

at the Hillsborough disaster were told that their loved ones

were unlawfully killed, Now those looking at the criminal

investigation into the disaster have released new images of 19 people

they think may have invaluable information that could lead

to prosecutions in the Operation Resolve is

the network which was set up to gather evidence that may help

bring some of those responsible which launches today,

hopes to get more answers Our correspondent

Sima Kotecha spoke to the Senior Investigating Officer

at Operation Resolve, Neil Malkin. It is an appeal for 19 people

who were outside gate C at 2:52pm We want to be able to try to trace

these people, to interview them and understand what they've got

to say and what they heard There are so many in that footage,

that you've picked out What is it about them

you want to know? It is their proximity to the opening

of that gate at that time. By choosing a group of people,

we hope to give them the best In previous witness appeals,

we've relied heavily Now we are trying to provide

context, so people can decide if they were in a group of people,

whether they interacted It might help them jog

their memories about In our Liverpool studio

is lawyer Elkan Abrahamson, who represented 20 of the families

at the new inquests. In Birmingham is Lou Brookes -

she lost her brother, Andrew Mark Brookes,

in the disaster. speak to Becky Shah -

her mother Inger was also amongst What is your reaction to this latest

release of CCTV footage showing the 19 people who could have

information? I welcome anyone with information that can help with the

enquiry. However, I must say I'm not entirely sure why we are focusing on

19 individuals outside gate C when the inquest went into the issues in

quite some depth. I think they would be better off targeting resources

and time towards the cover-up. You represent several of the families.

What is your perspective on this? I would not want to discourage

evidence -- witnesses from coming forward but we are very puzzled as

to why they are pursuing this line of enquiry. "With The theory that

the gate was open before the order was given. Their timings were wrong

and we showed them that and they still pursued this theory. I think

this is a dead end and a waste of resources. They should be focusing

on allegations of cover-up which were not fully explored. The senior

investigating officer says this is about thoroughness so they can make

sure that when the cases go to the CPS they get is clear picture as

possible. Why do you think putting out this CCTV indicates what you are

suggesting? If the case was Boro, should that not have been raised in

the inquest? Why are they only trying to approach these witnesses

now. It helps to be thorough but the fact is, they will not speak to the

people in the stadium that day, each of the people, there needs to be

selection and they need to decide what is important. This is a

dead-end they should not be pursuing, I believe. Your brother

died at Hillsborough. What is your thought? I absolutely believe. I'm

disgusted. I'm going to go one step further. I have a serious concern

for their motives and their objectives for pursuing this issue.

A jury, during the inquest, established. We know who gave the

authority to open gate C. If they had put so much time and effort into

concentrating on other individual families evidence, they might have a

few more happy families, I have serious reservations about it. They

need to stop wasting taxpayers money and start investigating other areas.

This is a complete dead-end and they are wasting time and money. I'm

absolutely outraged by it. I'm very, very suspicious. I question their

motives. I really do. Becky, it is clear that you have

very little trust left. I would totally echo what Lou just said. I

have serious reservations about the police investigating the police in

any case. The history of Hillsborough is that the original

investigation, which started in 1989, was an absolute fudge. It was

a disgrace. So I don't think lessons have been learned, unfortunately,

since those days. And I agree, I think this is disgusting and I am

completely suspicious about their motives. It could be a case of

trying to shift the blame again. After the openness of the inquest

and everything that was said at the inquest by politicians and others,

do you still not trust but things are in a different place? Absolutely

not. I don't trust anybody in authority where Hillsborough is

concerned. The establishment think that giving us the unlawfully killed

verdict is going to make us happy and walk away. They have got another

think coming. To me, this verdict is not the end, this is the beginning.

I am in this for the long haul. So if they think they are going to

repeat history by trying to make everybody happy, I will not be happy

until I see people, certain people and organisations, in the witness

box and hopefully, some of them behind prison bars. Thank you all

for joining us. And if you recognise any of the 19

people we have been showing you, you can go to the website.

We have been talking this morning about the physical risks associated

with taking increasingly strong ecstasy and MDMA, but there is also

concern about the effect it could have on mental health. Radio 1

Newsbeat's Jim Connelly has the details. What are the concerns? We

know the concerns about the physical effects and the deaths connected to

it. The police have linked a lot of those deaths to this increasingly

strong ecstasy that is on the market at the minute, but we have been

speaking to psychologists and medical experts who are worried

about the effects on the brain am a the cognitive effects, the ability

to remember and process information, paranoia, things like that. We spoke

to a guy called Phil Murphy from a till university. He has studied the

drug for 25 years. I have worked in the field of ecstasy research for

nearly 20 years. The risk now, in terms of young people using stronger

ecstasy to be compared with the late 1990s, is higher in terms of being

able to retain the ability to regulate emotion, your ability to

think clearly and memorise efficiently. The danger is much

greater now, in my opinion, than in the late 1990s, because of the

greater strength of ecstasy today. It is a drug that has been around

for years. Who is using it today? Well, it kind of went away for a

while. It had a period during the 90s which one of your guests talked

about when it was a drug of choice and was very strong. Then it became

weak and low quality, so people were not using it in the same way. We

then saw the rise of legal highs and substances that took away from its

interest for people, but now it has seen a resurgence. There was a

report out last year that said it is becoming stronger and more popular.

It now tends to be people at festivals, taking it in a binge

rather than the kind of week in, week out use we saw when it came

onto the scene. People have got in touch with us who have noticed this

increasing strength and the problems they have seen. We spoke to a guy

called Gaz, who we had to disguise because he didn't want his profile

put out there, and also someone called Grace, who uses it at

festivals. And in his words, he used it far too much. Going out on a

weekend, friends, socialising, try a little bit of this and that. Then it

became a more regular occurrence. Was similar for you? Definitely. I

started out doing, and things like ecstasy and smoking weed. Then it

escalated into thinking that was not enough. It was great for partying,

but as we got older, we got more chilled, so we directed things

towards taking things to make us hallucinate. Mentally, how does it

feel when you have overdone it, mainly with ecstasy? Drained. You

feel really tired on a come-down, like there is nothing good in life.

You have a really bad next day. But I have personally felt that the high

at the time was worth it. It is like a hangover. Tell me the mental

issues you have had coming off it? I had lots of paranoia. I have always

been quite a paranoid person anyway, but the drugs enhance it 100 fold.

Mood swings are a big one. I could be your best friend one minute, and

the next minute, don't talk to me ever again! I feel quite alone as

well sometimes. You're very needy, but very alone at the same time. You

want someone to be there, but you don't. Recently, ecstasy has been

getting stronger. Did you notice the increase in strength in MDMA and

ecstasy when you were taking it? Yeah, I have done very different

strengths of ecstasy. When it is stronger, obviously, the highs get

arguably better and you get more out of it in that sense. But are you

also get in the mental health problems associated with it, and

paranoia becomes stronger and sleep gets disrupted the more you take of

it? Logically, that makes sense. But at the same time, if you are not

prone to the negative side-effects, you will not receive them, no matter

how pure it is. Describe the come-down is as you take more

ecstasy. Drug-induced psychosis stays around for a while. It is

quite unsettling. We had a big night out one day, and the next day, we

both looked at each other we crawled out of our corners, like, don't want

to eat, and we were quite unsettled. We were not sure what to do with

ourselves and we thought we should stop doing it for a bit. More and

more people have ended up in hospital for treatment across the

country for mental and behavioural disorders connected to stimulants.

Can you imagine a time when you could have ended up in hospital for

something like that? There were a few occasions where I could have

taken more and ended up in hospital, even for an overdose. You can start

going a bit crazy. It is just weird. A friend of mine took acid once at

an open rave, and he thought people were chasing him. So when we took

him to a festival later that year and he took something completely

different, it brought back that feeling that people were chasing him

and he ended up trying to set fire to the person's tent next to us and

running back to the car. A lot of people will think that doesn't sound

fun. You're messing around with things that are on the edge of being

very dangerous. You could die or profoundly change who you are by

taking this stuff. I think everything comes with its risks. If

you feel you're the type of person that can withstand the risks that go

with it, if you're going to use it rather than abuse it, it's like

drinking. People become alcoholics all the time, yet no one found some

people drinking socially. How long have you been off it? A few months.

Do you feel better? I do, but I have a long way to go. I had heavy usage.

We should make that clear. There is a difference in scales. Your

partying and enjoying it, where as you have probably pushed it too far.

Yeah, it became a daily, more than just a social aspect. For me, it was

day in, day out. There were days I would wake up and there would be

drugs next to my bed from the night before, and that would be my

breakfast. Eat, sleep, sniff, repeat would be the pattern for a while.

When I broke out of that, I felt a lot easier about myself again. You

do lose your sense of who you are. I guess if you are always high, you

don't know who you are. There is plenty more of that at Newsbeat

online and more on Radio 1 Xtra. Back to central Italy, where at

least 37 people have been killed and a more are missing after a 6.2

magnitude earthquake struck the area. It was felt as far away as

Rome and Venice. Some of the worst damage is in the town of Amatrice,

where at least five people have died. Rescue efforts are under way

to find survivors. The town mayor said the roads in and out of town

are cut off. Half the town is gone. We are preparing a place for the

bodies. In a short to the north of the epicentre, the mayor said there

was a family of four in a collapsed house and there are two small

children among them. Pope Francis said he was stunned by the

devastation. These are the live pictures from

Amatrice, where the search and rescue operation continues. We will

keep you updated on the rescue effort throughout the day on BBC

news. Thank you for your company today. See you at the same time

tomorrow. Bye-bye. The rugby league giants

from Hull FC and Warrington go head-to-head at Wembley

in the Challenge Cup final.