31/08/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

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at the standard network rate. We will have more on our exclusive

report on the anti-malaria drug Lariam and just a moment. But first,

our top story. from the European Union will be top

of the agenda for Prime She's chairing a Cabinet meeting

at her official country residence Our political correspondent

Tom Bateman reports. It is over two months since Britain

voted to leave the European Union. The British people have spoken and

the answer is "we are out." Since then the Prime Minister

Theresa May has said that she intends to make a success

of Brexit but behind the sound bites lies the hugely complex negotiations

that Britain must undertake with 27 remaining members of the EU,

not to mention the timetable for triggering Britain's exit

and the calls from some opposing MPs for another vote

by the public on any deal - Mrs May will today chair her first

meeting of the Cabinet She gave them some homework -

to identify what she called Brexit could bring each

of their departments. That tactic may help defuse some

of the political intensity focussed on the ministers

closest to the process, Today's meeting at Chequers takes

place amid lush surroundings but must confront hard realities,

bringing together ministers who are deeply divided

over the referendum. Now they have to start work

towards a collective decision The most challenging

of all is likely to be over how far Britain has access to the European

single market while honouring the promise made during

the referendum to control migration. Our Political Correspondent Chris

Mason is at Westminster. I they likely to come up with a

consensus? The short answer is not. There is a huge range of

perspectives around the table, there was before the referendum and there

certainly is now, albeit a different looking cabinet table, not so much

about whether or not the UK will leave the European Union, because

the vast majority of politicians are Democrats and respect the fact that

that is the way the country voted regardless of their view before the

referendum. It is more about what Brexit looks like, so the Prime

Minister said Brexit means Brexit, but what does it actually mean? It

boils down to two things, trade and immigration. What willingness is

there to do something about the free movement of people around the

European Union wants the UK leads? What changes there? But if there are

changes in that direction, and many will acknowledge that is a huge

motivating factor in many people in voting to leave was to see some

thing done about immigration, what then happens to the UK's trading

relationship outside the European Union with the 27 members of the

club? They are in essence the two big elements of this whole

negotiation. But to give you some sense of how long this is going to

take, we don't know for certain yet when the door will open for us to

start walking out, when the triggering of Article 50, to use the

terminology, will actually happen. Once that does happen, it sets in

train a process that will last it is estimated two years, some think it

might take even longer. A topic that will dominate the Cabinet discussion

at Chequers this morning and Dominic politics for years to come. Thank

you very much. Now let's catch up with the rest of the news with Ben

in the BBC newsroom. The former head of the Army has told

this programme that his fears over potentially catastrophic side

effects of an anti-malaria drug led him to refuse it -

while he knew it was being Lord Dannatt said his own son had

become extremely depressed after taking the drug Lariam,

also known as Mefloquine, before visiting Africa

as a civilian in the late 1990s. The Ministry of Defence said it

had a duty to protect personnel from malaria,

and in some cases Lariam was the most effective

way of doing that. My middle son, who was prescribed

Lariam, he was in Africa shortly after taking a couple of doses,

he became very unwell very quickly fortunately, that point,

stopped taking Lariam. He recovered from the physical

effects of Lariam. Because I had first-hand experience

of what could happen, I couldn't see the point of putting

myself in the same position. And you can see our exclusive

interview with Lord Dannatt in full A senior commander of

the Islamist terror group -- so-called Islamic

State has been killed. Media linked to IS says Abu Muhammad

al-Adnani died in Syria. It hasn't given any details of how

he died but the US military has confirmed it targeted him

during an air strike on Tuesday. Officials are still

assessing the results. A teenage boy remains in custody,

after a 40-year-old Polish man was killed in Harlow in Essex

at the weekend. The man was attacked on Saturday,

and died on Monday. Our correspondent Frankie McCamley

is in Harlow for us now. As you can see, flowers have been

arriving throughout the morning. People paying respects, this is the

area where the 40-year-old man, who has now been named locally has been

killed on Saturday night. A 43-year-old Polish man was also

injured. We found out this morning that the sixth teenager arrested by

police has now been bailed pending further enquiries. Local people say

this place is an area where a lot of teenagers will congregate, and

police have said that they have now put out a dispersal order, which

means that they can come to this area and break up any teenagers that

might be intimidating shoppers. We also know that later tonight, people

from this local community say that they are going to be coming together

and holding a vigil here too, in their words, stand up to racism,

because they say any hatred in this community should be challenged.

Frankie McCamley reporting there. Pregnant women and new mums need

more protection at work - that's according to a group of MPs

who say there has been a "shocking" The Women and Equalities Committee

is calling for the Government to act following a report

earlier this year suggesting that the number forced

to leave their jobs after giving birth has almost doubled

to 54,000 since 2005. Many of the 6,500 people rescued

in the Mediterranean yesterday have started arriving at

ports in Sicily. The increase in the number of people

trying to cross from North Africa to Europe is being partly attributed

to calmer weather in the region. So far this year more

than 100,000 people Thousands have died

making the crossing. Humanitarian groups say the large

number of arrivals It's not unusual that this large

number of people are arriving In other months, other weeks,

we saw arriving a large number The US Republican Presidential

Candidate Donald Trump has accepted an invitation to visit Mexico

and meet its president after months of campaigning

on illegal immigration. That war will go up so fast, your

head will spin, and you will say, you know, he meant it! And you know

what else I mean? Mexico is going to pay for the war. -- wall.

Mr Trump tweeted that he was looking forward to the visit,

President Enrique Pena Nieto said dialogue would help "protect

He's also invited the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton.

Police in Los Angeles have arrested the American singer, Chris Brown,

on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon.

It follows a stand-off after a woman made an emergency call from his

home. Our correspondent

David Willis has more. Police were called to Chris Brown's

sprawling mansion after receiving the woman's call for help

at around three o'clock in the They were allegedly denied entry

and had to wait for a charge to approve a search warrant before

entering the property There is currently

an investigation going on. If you can see, we are in

the process of transition in that investigation to robbery

and homicide division. Robbery and homicide

division will now take The woman who called the police

later told local media that the dispute centred over a row

over some jewellery. Chris Brown spent some time posting

videos online, protesting his innocence and accusing

the police of harassment. But it wasn't until his

lawyer arrived that he He is expected to be

charged with assault. Chris Brown has had a number

of run-ins with the law in recent years, beginning with his conviction

for assaulting his then girlfriend, the singer Rhianna,

in February 2009. David Willis, BBC News,

Los Angeles. And some news just coming in.

Northumbria Police say a 17-year-old boy has died after getting into

difficulties in a Denny at the mouth of the River Wear in Sunderland.

More on that when we have it. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 9:30am. It's transfer deadline day so no

doubt a hectic day ahead for Will Perry at

the BBC Sport Centre. Will, it's been a busy summer

already with clubs breaking It has. This is the calm before the

storm in here. Everyone is typing quietly and all that, but you wait,

14 or 15 hours, it goes bananas in here, everyone will be on the phone,

on the computers, it goes manic, believe me. It is interesting, one

question is why is the business always left so late? Why is it left

to the deadline? The big clubs get their business out of the way, look

at the deals for example for Paul Pogba, that was a record deal, ?89

million, Manchester United getting this one done nice and early with

all the other deals they did as well with Ibrahimovic, and of course

their neighbours, Manchester City, a big deal for John Stones, ?47.5

million, he was at Barnsley only five or six years ago, via Everton

and then to Manchester City. So the big clubs getting those deals done,

but that doesn't say that they might not get back in later on, then you

have clubs who perhaps have a budget of 50, 60, 70 million pounds for the

window, they will wait for the prices to drop right down, they will

be talking to agents and chairman of the clubs to the last minute. 12

Premier League clubs have broken their records for transfer deals

already out of 20 clubs in the Premier League. And then you look at

the figures we are talking about. We are already over the billion pounds

mark, the previous record was ?870 million, last year, already over ?1

billion today. That is an incredible deal. What kind of deals can we

expect to be done today? There are always deals done very late on, and

some of them we don't even find out until tomorrow morning, but lots of

outgoings, particularly Manchester City, because Joe Hart is an

interesting one, he hasn't yet left the Etihad. He is set to sign for

Torino on a season-long loan deal, Manchester City will be off-loaded

quite a few, Samir Nasri as well to similar, Elliot Kear Mangala, talk

about him going back to Porto, and Wilfried Bony, all outgoing. And

Jack Wilshire is another interesting one to keep an eye on. He has been

talked about being the next Paul Gascoigne, but it hasn't happened

for him at Arsenal. He had a brilliant loan spell at Bolton, but

he is set to leave, looks like it is between Crystal Palace and

Bournemouth, but AC Milan has been touted as well, and then Crystal

Palace will try to keep hold of Wilfried Zaha. But Jack Wilshire is

set to leave Arsenal. Another interesting one, we could stand here

for an hour and talk about it, but David Luiz at Chelsea. This is a

defender Chelsea sold, very is at the PSG training kit. ?32 million,

they are talking about buying him back, they sold him for 50 million,

and at the time, Chelsea were quite happy to get that money, because he

hadn't really settled, was he a centre back or a midfielder? No one

could work out what his best role was. It really would be a sort of

two fingers up to Jose Mourinho, because Jose Mourinho got rid of

him, and they have got rid of Jose Mourinho since, and now signing back

a player they were glad to see the back of, so plenty happening. West

Brom, Tony Pulis has been saying they need five new players for about

five months, so they need three or four. West Ham, you can keep

up-to-date with all of that. We have a four-hour deadline day special at

seven o'clock this evening, and Dan Walker will be here on BBC One at

10:45pm. Turning attentions to tennis

and tell us about the British contingent at the US Open and how

they're getting on? Pretty good, I'd say. Out of eight

Brits, five through to the second round at Flushing Meadows. Andy

Murray made it through last night, beating Lukas Rosol of the Czech

Republic in the night session. He will play Marcel Granollers in the

second round. They were now on day two with Kyle Edmund and Joanna

Konta already into the second round. Heather Watson out.

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In an exclusive interview with this programme,

the former head of the British army tells us he refused to take

an anti-malaria drug that he knew was being given

to his troops because of his concerns about what he calls "pretty

General Sir Richard Dannatt, is speaking for the very first time

about his own son's mental health issues after an army doctor

He says his son, Bertie, a former soldier, became "extremely

depressed" when he took it in the late 1990s.

That was before he went into the army.

General Dannatt is urging the Ministry of Defence to show

"generosity" towards service men and women seeking compensation

Whenever I've needed antimalarial drugs, I said I'll take anything,

I'll take anything, but I'm not Lariam.

You wouldn't take Lariam at the same time as members who were serving

under you as chief of the general staff were taking Lariam?

I mean, if your life has been blown apart,

I'm afraid the only thing that I can get from the Ministry

In an extraordinary revelation, the former head of the British Army

tells us he refused to take a drug that was being given to his troops,

General Sir Richard Dannatt tells us his own son Bertie suffered

mental health issues, after an Army doctor gave him Lariam.

After that, General Dannatt made up his own mind

that the antimalarial wasn't safe to take,

but he admits he put the issue on the back burner when

he was in the top job, allowing his own troops to carry

My middle son, who was prescribed Lariam, he was in Africa shortly

after taking his first couple of doses and became very

He was flown back to the UK and fortunately at that point

He recovered from the physical effects of Lariam, but over a period

of time there clearly were mental health issues.

Tell us a bit more, if you will, about the impact that it

He was normally very bubbly and a personable individual.

He got very withdrawn and we got very worried about him,

and I think if that had been unrecognised and untreated, frankly,

There are other cases whereby the symptoms that people exhibit

as a result of taking Lariam, or probably having taken Lariam can

Because Bertie had that effect, whenever I needed antimalarial

drugs, I said, I'll take anything, I'm not taking Lariam.

I took something else on one occasion and made myself very ill,

but I realised very quickly and I didn't

You knew you wouldn't take Lariam at the same time as members

who were serving under you, as chief of the general staff,

That is true, but again, I think it was because the organisation

hadn't reached a settled view on whether Lariam

But it wasn't good enough for you, should it have been good enough

Because I had first-hand experience of what could happen,

I couldn't see the point of putting myself in the same position,

But other people were being put in that position.

Well, this is true, but again, I come back to the fact

that the Ministry of Defence, as an organisation, is still trying

to come to the conclusion in general terms whether the beneficial

or harmful effects of Lariam were greater or less.

But you personally had reached your own view it wasn't

Because I had some personal experience, I thought

Concerns were raised, many years ago, about Lariam.

Was there negligence in the way it was prescribed?

Well, I've often thought about this because after all,

I was head of the Army in 2006 until 2009.

During this ten-to-15 year period when we were increasingly getting

Well, I suppose in that sort of period from 2003 right

through to 2014 when we are focused in Iraq and Afghanistan,

which were not malarial areas and we weren't giving large numbers

of people Lariam, I think it probably slightly slipped

Tens of thousands of British soldiers have been given

It is one of a number of antimalarial drugs used

For years, soldiers who were given it knew it was causing side-effects.

A look, a phrase, a word, something completely innocent

in somebody else's eyes, but it would be enough

But it was a reaction you knew you were doing, but you

It was as if the wiring in your brain had completely gone,

You knew it was going on, but you could not stop it.

I do get depressed to the point of suicidal thoughts.

That has crossed my mind, on a number of occasions.

I have a little girl now and she needs a daddy.

when prescribing medicines, has made absolutely clear what anyone

being given Lariam should be told about it.

It lists a series of neuro psychiatric side-effects and says

that the drug must be stopped immediately if any of

We have spoken to many members of the military who said

they were simply not made aware of that.

We were told to report to the medical centre.

We signed a form, saying that we were taking Lariam.

We were given the doses, because we had to take doses before

we deployed, during deployment and then afterwards.

That was basically what we were given.

We weren't given any form of medical assessment.

We were just told, this is what you're taking, away you go.

Were you told there might be side effects?

In a statement issued last year, the MoD said since 2013 mefloquine,

or Lariam, has only been prescribed after an individual risk assessment.

Lawyers take this as confirmation that prior to 2013 there was no

systematic requirement for individual assessments.

Philippa Tuchman is a lawyer who is now representing nearly 800

service personnel who want redress from the MoD.

By and large, the requirements to guard people

against harm when Lariam was given were not observed.

I think potentially thousands of people have been harmed by it

in one way or another in some, short-term, in others long term.

I think that the use of Lariam and the failure to take the basic

absolutely compulsory precautions on the part of the MoD does,

I'm afraid, illustrate something I have seen in a lot of other cases,

which is a failure to see the individual service man or woman

as a person who is entitled to absolutely as great a duty

of care as the rest of us would expect in our civilian lives.

The problem the MoD has is that if it had admits something

like the negative effects of prescribing a drug like Lariam,

it kind of opens the floodgates to a lot of very expensive

legislation and frankly, it doesn't have much money.

These are people, though, who have served their country,

who were prepared to lay down their lives for their country.

Which is why I think the right response of the MoD would be to take

a generous approach as far as Lariam is concerned and invite those

who think they have lost a loved one, or indeed an individual

who believes he or she is still suffering as a result of Lariam,

to put the case forward and have the case examined.

And I think if the MoD wants to show, belatedly in this instance,

it's a caring and good employer, it should err on the side

of generosity and close a settlement with those people.

Had I known what the side-effects were, I'd have taken my

Why are the side-effects worse than getting malaria?

Because malaria is obviously an horrendous illness to get.

and this is what Lariam does, it messes with your head.

It's turned me into a horrible person, and a person that

I can be a nasty, violent person and I can

only attribute it to having taken this drug.

A group of senior MPs have backed what the lawyers and

They have recommended a near-total ban on the

In a report on the issue published earlier in

the summer, they said the MoD has displayed a lamentable

weakness in its duty of care by handing out Lariam two soldiers

without proper screening and that there are significant risks attached

to the use of Lariam for military personnel.

What do they want, the people coming to you?

I mean, if your life has been blown apart, I'm afraid the

only thing that I can get from the Ministry

of Defence is compensation, and they do deserve compensation.

What I would urge the Ministry of Defence

to do is to take a really good, hard realistic look at whether it really

can put its hand on its heart and say,

yes, on most occasions we did give the warnings

We did give the advice and we

If they can show that, then please, show us

the documents that show that they did that.

If they didn't, in any individual case, it would really

help and it would be greatly appreciated if they would not put my

client through the agony of long, drawn-out court cases and they will

Now can we please talk about how we can put this right.

It's been described as the worst form of friendly fire.

Yes, I think the worst form of friendly fire is a

After all, you have been given a drug by the

organisation in which you work and in which you place your trust,

supposedly for your health, but ultimately for your lack of health.

When a soldier, in all good faith, is prescribed Lariam by his medical

officer because he is going to a malarial area, if you've been told

you've got to take drugs, you take drugs.

It's something you're order to do and of course you will do.

And if people aren't aware that in a significant minority of cases

it can have adverse mental effects, then

The members of the military who I've spoken to who have come forward and

who are in some cases pursuing legal action,

they wanted their voices to be heard, for somebody to say sorry.

Do you feel that you owe anybody an apology?

I think, I mean, as someone who has been head of the army at a time

when we were prescribing a drug that we now know has probably caused

adverse circumstances for people, I'm quite content to say sorry

to anybody during the period of time that I have responsibility

Why do the British Government continue to give this drug

They saw fit to send us to war zones.

We went, willing to lay down our lives if needs be.

It is incumbent on them to look after us now.

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Coming up in the next hour, we hear from families

affected by Lariam, including a wife who says

this drug played a part in her husband's death.

As well as Dr Lillywhite, who was for a time the most senior

medical officer in the Army responsible for prescribing Lariam.

Alice on Facebook says my father was given Lariam while serving in 2000.

He suffered the same effects as this man's son, but the army didn't want

to see the effects until he killed himself in 2006, so how can this man

simply say sorry when the drug has ripped apart people's lives. Paula

says my ex-husband took Lowry whilst serving in the Army. He realised it

was affecting him, and changed to a different drug. Service personnel

are given various drugs, and these on top of tours of duty affected him

and had a terminal effect on our marriage. I remember sitting with

his welfare officer after our separation. He was home on two

weeks' leave from Afghanistan and had discussed with me how he had a

choice of guns with which to kill himself. He is still not well. Roy

has texted, the second tablet I took before deploying to Sera Leone in

2007 caused a seizure or fit. When I collected my 12 months supply of an

alternative, the doctor commented on how much it cost. My adverse

reaction was not reported or detailed in my medical record. I was

lucky. Thank you for those comments, do keep on getting in touch, and we

will be talking more on that after ten.

Still to come: A new survey suggests children as young as three years

If you have children under the age of ten,

are you worried about how they see themselves?

Do get in touch, #VictoriaLive or text us on 61124,

we'll be discussing this at about 10:40am and we'd love

They defended their Olympic title in the coxless pairs and then

what better way to celebrate than with a hen do in Rio?

We talk wedding preparations and returning to the Army with gold

medallists Helen Glover and Heather Stanning

Now, Ben has all the news. Good morning.

Thanks, Joanna. The former head of the Army has told

this programme that his fears over potentially catastrophic side

effects of an anti-malaria drug led him to refuse it even

while he knew it was being Lord Dannatt said his own son had

become "extremely depressed" after taking the drug Lariam,

also known as Mefloquine, before visiting Africa

as a civilian in the late 1990s. The Ministry of Defence said it

had a duty to protect personnel from malaria,

and in some cases Lariam was the most effective

way of doing that. The Cabinet will hold its first

meeting after the summer break today, as Theresa May looks

to discuss the next steps in Britain's plan to leave

the European Union. The meeting will be held

at Chequers, the Prime Minister's Senior ministers have been asked

to consider the opportunities A 17-year-old boy has died

after getting into difficulties in a dinghy at the mouth

of the River Wear in Sunderland. A major search and rescue operation

was launched last night when he and three other teenagers

ran into problems on the water. Two girls and another boy

were quickly rescued. The 17-year-old was airlifted

to hospital in Newcastle, A senior commander of so-called

Islamic State has been killed. Media linked to IS says Abu Muhammad

al-Adnani died in Syria according It hasn't given any details of how

he died however the US military confirmed it targeted him

during an air strike on Tuesday. Officials are still

assessing the results. A teenage boy remains in custody,

after a 40-year-old Polish man was killed in Harlow in Essex

at the weekend. The man, named locally

as Arkadiusz Jozwik, was attacked on Saturday,

and died on Monday. In total, five 15-year-old boys

and one 16-year-old boy were A vigil is being held

in Harlow, today. That's a summary of the latest

BBC News, more at 10am. Here's some sport now

with Will Perry, who has some very I am joined by two Legends of

Olympic sport, their achievement is incredible, Helen Glover and Heather

Stanning, Bolder the coxless pair in Rio. A gold medal from London, a

gold medal from Rio. You just told me it is the first time you have put

the alarm on today. It is strange! We have been enjoying the luxuries

Lyons. Of lying in. You are back to earth with a bumper little bit, but

to be back to earth and have the we have had, and to be able to relive,

it has only been a week since we landed, that it feels like it has

been a month, because everyone is so interested and we are touched by the

encouragement. Let's go back to the race, what was it like when you were

about to cross the line? You must have known that this was in the bag,

New Zealand approaching to your right, but you knew you had done it.

What was going through your body, your mind? Heather was saying, stay

in the moment, stay in the moment. We had got a big enough lead by

halfway, we still had that lead, and it was just stay in the moment, we

know we have got this, let everyone else fight around us. Head in the

moment. Don't make a stupid mistake in front of the world and falling in

the last part of the race! And John Inverdale and Sir Steve Redgrave,

they were trying to get you straightaway to make a decision on

Tokyo. Can we get a decision live on BBC Two now, are you going to Tokyo

2020? We are still undecided. Is their pressure to make the decision?

We don't, really. We will have a break for now and see how we feel.

And you have a lot of things on your mind, because you have a wedding

coming up, you had the hen do in Rio, how was that? If you go to Rio,

why not have a hen do? We went to a samba dancing class, it was

incredible. Have you got an invitation? I am made of honour! You

have had so much focus on those four years, and you were telling me

before, the alarm goes off, it is a seven day a week job for four years,

so that is why you are suddenly enjoying all this, but to have that

to be organised as well. Yes, every single minute of every single day,

no exaggeration, for four years, has been about seven minutes of racing

on that one day in August, it is all about the Olympic final, so there

isn't much time for wedding planning or socialising, my mum has been

amazing in helping plan the wedding, but it is all about that race. You

have a homecoming parade in Penzance on Sunday. You were worried no one

would turn up, but I don't think that will be the case! We are living

at near Marlow at the moment, but I was brought up in Cornwall, so I

gets to go home, and I'm so excited to take my medal home, because

everyone has supported me for so long. Come rain or shine, the

Cornish folk will be out. We have had so many people bringing their

medals, we talk about dominance in sport, but your dominance in

particular in the coxless pairs, 39 races is astonishing. Has that sunk

in? We have to go back to 2011 to see the last time you two were

beaten. Everyday we train, it is just what we do. It has come from a

lot of hard work, it isn't a big coincidence, and we didn't sit there

four years ago and say, we must not lose a race. We said, the race we

have to win as the Rio final, so how do we get there? And Robin, our

coach, it has just happened it means winning races, but you win one and

you don't want to lose the next, so there is a competitive spirit behind

it. From everyone at the BBC and watching, huge congratulations, it

is amazing to watch, and I think we got a yes that they will both be at

Tokyo! They will think about it. Thank you very much, well.

Ministers are gathering for a brainstorming summit on how

to negotiate the UK's exit from the EU.

Theresa May has called the cabinet to Chequers,

the Prime Minister's country residence, to thrash out a strategy.

She's reportedly told them to come armed with ideas

The key issues are expected to be the single market

Mrs May has already said the Government won't trigger Article

50 and the process of separation until at least the

Let's talk now to Conservative MPs Kwasi Kwarteng, who voted

for Britain to leave the EU, and Sir Peter Bottomley,

Thank you both for coming in. Sir Peter, you didn't want Britain to

leave, but you have said the best now needs to be made of the

situation. Before the decision was made, we didn't want to come out or

get terribly far away. We have close neighbours and close trading ties,

and now we need to look at making exciting exciting. My advice would

be, don't start putting stories in the paper about yourself, the

ministers, just work corporate only... But what would your ideal B

Right now when you look at balancing trade and immigration? The European

Union needs reform, so by leaving, we have to be saying to them, why

did you come with us and makes the EU change, we will come back if you

make it different. Why would they listen to us. This is about scoring

forward now, so what we want? The answered your question is it is good

for us and good them. We don't want things to be good for us and bad for

them, we want things to be good for us and good for others. How you see

it? I think Peter is right, we have to corporate in a spirit of

friendliness and corporation, but I do think this issue of freedom of

movement is important, and for example, it was the fact that David

Cameron couldn't get a concession on freedom of movement, that is what

caused this whole thing to happen in the first place in many ways, and

certainly from my point of view and many people in my constituency, the

reason we voted out was we wanted to get a concession on freedom of

movement. If they come to us and say, that isn't possible, we have to

look at perhaps even exiting the single market. So the freedom of

movement from several thing as far as you are concerned? We had a Prime

Minister who left, he lost a referendum. One of the big issues in

that referendum was this issue of freedom of movement, and if we don't

get a concession on this... When you say a concession, what should it be?

Anyone with an EU passport can come to Britain, without a job, they

could just come, and during the course of the campaign, this was a

big issue. So what should it look like going forward? What I am saying

is we need to have a situation in which people don't have the right,

they don't simply have the right to come, they have to have a job in

order to come, there has to be some sort of arrangement. So not a

situation like Norway which has to accept freedom of movement? I don't

see why we had the referendum on the first place. So it is a red line for

you? For me it is. Sir Peter, would it be a red line for you? I come

from a family of people who have tried to find agreements, local

diplomats, local service, doctors, teachers. Rather than just draw red

lines were you box yourself in, you have to try to say to your partners

in Europe and the rest of the world, let's go on developing the rest of

the world which has free trade, movement of people who have jobs and

are needed, let's consider what people can do when they retire,

which is quite important, people shouldn't be tied to their own

country in retirement, which is a variation on freedom of movement. It

is the ability to do things rather than always the right to do them.

What about people voted for here, and a very clear message was, we

don't want that freedom of movement any more.

I was trying to put it more delicately. But you need to look at

it both ways. The ability of my hospital to recruit east European

doctors and nurses saying, we have a job, will you come here, you can do

it easily from the Philippines. It is not always easy but if there is a

job, you can come for categories of workers. That is an ability to come.

We are not questioning that. The issue is people coming on spec. It's

about who gets the right to decide on whether the government gets to

decide? That is right. There is an issue about people coming to Britain

who don't have jobs, coming to Britain because they have the right

to and they may pick up jobs, they may do what ever they are doing.

That's one of the fundamental issues about this debate. When you are

describing what you are describing in terms of who should be allowed to

come in, that is then insuring that the government has the right to

decide, isn't it? Which is completely different. The way the

process works, partly government, partly the people. Partly what the

law says. There are three or four players in this. The other thing to

bear in mind is that we need to keep an eye on what we want for the

long-term, for us, for Europe, for the world and work out the

transition, which will be very complicated. Most of our

environmental protections are within the European Union and the world,

how do we come out of those? That should be easy. The questions of

tariffs should be easy. The question of things like the rights of

European health insurance when we go abroad, that should be manageable.

These things require time. The word corporation is the right one. We

would agree on three things, those who voted to stay in and go out and

agree on three quarters of the things. Let's not look for punch-ups

but practical things. My resolvers to get things good for the United

Kingdom and Europe and the world. -- resolve is. The Paulao at Chequers,

do you expect that to end in consensus? -- the talks going on at

Chequers. We have different views and needs to cooperate but in a

negotiation we need to look after our interests and they will look

after their interests. We have do have a spirit of openness and listen

to what to the people have decided and what they voted. We had a very

clear message. I would suggest to the Prime Minister and the

government that they need to take on board what actually happened in the

referendum. Every media should say to anyone who

briefs on behalf of an individual cabinet minister, we are recording

this and we will use it. Just ban of the record briefings by individual

Cabinet ministers and then you have the government work better. We will

see if that happens. Thank you. The US singer Chris Brown

is arrested after a day long We'll get the full story

from our entertainment team. Pregnant women and new mothers often

face shocking treatment at work. Including being forced

out of their jobs. Members of the Women

and Equalities Committee are calling for women to get better protection,

including changes to health and safety practices,

because of a rise in It says mothers are more

likely to face negative treatment at work now,

than they were a decade ago. With me in the studio

are Fiona Chow. She was made redundant two weeks

before returning to work Also, Madihia Hussain, who runs her

own business employing mums. Emily May Buning, a mum of two

from Germany who feels the system works better for mums

there than it does in the UK. Jessica Shears, who advises small

business on maternity policy and Sue Coe from the European

Human Rights Commission. Thank you for joining us. Fiona,

tell us, first of all, you were made redundant two weeks before you were

due to return back from maternity leave. Two weeks before I was due to

return to work, I was called for a meeting with my boss who was in San

Francisco and the manager of the London office and was informed that,

due to a restructure, my role was being made redundant and they were

beginning the consultation process. It was a bit of a shock and a

surprise. It was a hugely stressful process to

go through with a young baby, worrying about how I was going to

find a new role, when I was going to find a new role at how difficult it

would be. What happened? Were you effectively out? Did you go back? I

left at the end of October after the consultation process and the person

covering my maternity leave was kept on on a temporary basis and later

given the role permanently at a more senior role. Did you feel it was

because you had had a baby? I felt one aspect of it, certainly. Until

then, all of my performance appraisals had been stellar, the

only material changed between that and being made redundant was that I

had a baby. Did you think about legal action? I took legal advice,

as was the process, but I eventually felt that I wasn't in the emotional

and financial and physical state to be able to confront the prospect of

really lengthy tribunal action. That is the problem with women, less than

1% of women take the cases to tribunal because of issues like

that. You have a nine-year-old son, used

to be a marketing consultant, what has your experience been of being a

working mother? When I was working in the corporate

world I found that I had to constantly hide the fact that I was

a mother, that I have responsibilities outside of work,

just so that I could fit into the culture of where I was working. Why

did you feel you had to hide the fact you were a mother? It was just

because I felt that if I had told them, straightaway, that I was a

mother, and talk about my son and his responsibilities that he has at

school, I would be seen as... You know, that I'm not as good as the

other workers, the other employees. Was that coming from within you? Was

that your fear or were things happening to make you have reason to

be concerned about it? Where I was working, there was nobody that

was... None of the employees were mothers or fathers. I was the only

person that was a mother in the environment. I already felt that I

was special, being there. I wondered why there weren't other parents

there. I thought maybe because they didn't fit in. Within myself, I had

this fear of discussing it too much. When I did try to discuss it, I kind

of felt like, you know, there wasn't much of an interest. My peers were

just... They just had other things they were talking about. Let's bring

in an early. You are in Germany and you are a

mother of two -- let's bring in Emily. Did you have concerns about

being discriminated against because you are a working mum? I have never

experienced anything like that. The kids Fiona described would not be

possible in Germany because we have the legal right to take parental

leave. Your employer cannot terminate your contract right you

are on parental leave. You have the right to return to your post after

parental leave, which can be up to three years, we have a different

legal situation in Germany. Jessica, you are a manager with the company

and you advise small and medium-sized businesses on maternity

issues. Is the law clear-cut? It's difficult to comment on the

changes in legislation without actually seeing it in full. I think

it's a shame that we have to bring in new legislation, because

standards are obviously slipping at the moment.

We hope as employers we are meeting standards and it is a shame that

employers aren't. Is it a headache for a small company of someone goes

on maternity leave? It is difficult for businesses, financially and

operationally, you lose a key member of the team which has the skills and

knowledge of the client and customer base. But more and more women are in

the workplace. Employers would be selling

themselves short if they are not able to... Give the women in the

package that they require. Sue, your perspective with the European rights

commission, are you surprised to know the number of expectant and new

mothers forced to leave their job has almost doubled since 2005? It

was research that we carried out but revealed this shocking rise, over

the past ten years -- that reveal. In discrimination against pregnant

women and new mothers. It is 54,000 women, every year, forced out of

their jobs. What do you put it down to? We looked at this really

carefully and conducted the biggest piece of research that had been

done. We found a number of complex reasons. Some employers just don't

know what their obligations are. Just don't know? Yeah. Jessica, what

do you think about that? Is that really true. Surely that is the

absolute responsibility of an employer to know their

responsibilities. Yes. As accountants, that is the questions

we get, what our employees entitled to, what do we need to do? We advise

on that. If businesses don't know, they need to seek the advice. What

we found in our research, something like health and safety, a really

important thing for pregnant women and new mothers, 21,000 women are

being forced out of their jobs every year, forced to choose between the

health of the unborn baby, their health and their job. But only 4% of

employers seek advice and guidance on health and safety. Explain that a

bit more, what are the issues with health and safety? With house and

safety, of course, there are additional risks that need to be

managed -- with health and safety. When one of your employees is

pregnant. More manual jobs? Yeah, manual jobs and other jobs, handling

chemicals, exposure to radiation or if you are a care worker, working

with lifting, people who may lash out at you. There are things which

may need to be taken into account. There are practical realities, is

there a way around that? What we found was that we employers had open

and ongoing conversations with pregnant women about what they

needed, what they wanted, how to and all risks, these were easily

resolved by things like a woman with bad morning sickness coming in this

later -- how to handle risks. Providing chairs. The -- these are

not complex things. Employers need support and information and women

need support and information. Do have these informed early

conversations. You now volunteer with the campaign group Pregnant

Then Screwed what are your worst examples. We had 500 people share

their stories in the US, UK and Spain. Blatant and horrific examples

of discrimination like being fired or made redundant but then more like

the insidiously discrimination examples. Lack of opportunities, for

example. Suddenly, a promotion that was in the offing has disappeared.

In some ways, they are more damaging because they affect the underlying

confidence of women. They have a huge factor in the amount of women

who go back to work after having a baby. Is it fair to say you are

putting it down to ignorance on the part of the employers rather than

malign intentions? There is always a mixture. We know there are bad

employers who, you know, don't just need information and support but

there are a lot of employers who can be helped by proper, easily

accessible information and support. That is why at the equality and

human rights commission, we are starting a new initiative where we

have leading firms like Ford, Barkley 's, John Lewis, who know the

value to their business of getting this right -- Barclays. They will

join and talk to their peers across business and give them advice and

support about how to get things right. Jessica, quickly, as the

voice, effectively, of employers in this particular discussion, what is

your take on that? I think that is a fantastic idea to bring up the

standards set across the country. Thank you for joining us, let us

know your experiences of being a working mother.

Let's get the latest weather update, with Alex.

Thank you, of clout going south, cloudier than yesterday. Not quite

so warm for many of us. Satellite images. A cold front and it produced

a fair bit of rain, still providing some rain as it trickles across

northern England, the Midlands over the next few hours, clearing from

Wales with damp weather over south-west England. A band of cloud

in east Anglia and the south-east. Also a few showers, quite a blustery

day in the far north-west in Scotland, strong winds. Afternoon

sunshine, 20 degrees, before the cloud builds in across East Anglia

and the south-east, 23 or 24. Not as warm as yesterday. The cloud

disappears this evening and showers will fade in the north-west and the

wind will die down. A dry and comfortable night. 13 or 14. It will

be a fine day for many tomorrow but it gets conjugated as we go through

Friday and the weekend in particular you will need your umbrella,

potential for heavy rain on Saturday -- it gets complicated.

Because I have first-hand experience of what could happen, could not see

the point of putting myself in the same position. I took something

else. In many respects, I am a broken man. The Army has broken me,

the government has broken me. Why do the British government

continued to give this drug to its serving members? You can watch the

full film. We will get the reaction of two

women who believe Lariam played a part in the deaths of their

husbands. Back from the holidays and straight down to Brexit business,

Theresa May calls her cabinets to a brainstorming session at Chequers.

Does your preschooler worry about how they look? A new survey suggests

a quarter of children aged between three and five are unhappy with

their bodies and it gets worse as they get older. We have the details.

We bring you the latest on singer Chris Brown who was arrested after a

daylong stand-off with police after a woman said he threatened her with

a gun at her home. He visited Africa as a civilian in

the late 1990s. The Ministry of Defence said it had a duty to

protect its personnel from malaria. In some cases, Lariam was the most

effective way of doing that. My middle son, who was prescribed

Lariam, was in Africa shortly after taking his first couple of doses. He

became very unwell, very quickly. He was flown back to the UK. At that

point, he stopped taking Lariam and recovered from the physical effects

of Lariam. Over a period of time, there were mental health issues.

Because I had first-hand experience of what could happen, I could not

see the point of putting myself in the same position. So I took

something else. The Cabinet will hold its first meeting after the

summer break today as Theresa May looks to plan the next steps in

Britain's exit from the European Union. The meeting will be held at

Chequers. Senior ministers have been asked to consider the opportunities

presented by Brexit. And to come to the summit armed with ideas. A

17-year-old boy has died after being pulled from the sea after being

pulled from the River Wear in Sunderland. He got into

difficulties. Airport officials say the extent of

the delays are not yet clear. Police had to close parts of terminal one

after a passenger entered the air side part of the airport without

fully completing the security check. Thank you for the comments you have

been sending through to us on body image. Lots getting in touch.

Janmaat on Facebook, they will have a problem if parents tell them --

Janet. At three, they would not be aware of it. On what that, nothing

will change the view of children's body if the media does not say that

size zero is beautiful. Mike says care about body image?

Just go out and enjoy yourselves and climb a tree. Thank you for your

comments. Lots of you getting in touch on the interview I did with

General Sir Richard Dunnett. We will talk more about that and Lariam and

its side-effects shortly. Get in touch.

I am with Sir Trevor arriving in marvellous shoes to talk about

transfer deadline day. 13 hours to go in England, 14 in Scotland. Joe

Hart off to Torino, a good move? 11th in Serie A last season, could

he not have done better? Possibly but as a goalkeeper you need to be

used, not sat in the goal, not having to make saves. He will get

plenty of action in the game at Torino. With his career and

seemingly going anywhere with Manchester City it is a good move.

If you look at Italian football, it is probably one of the best

defensively in Europe, and why not? It would benefit him in the

long-term. Loads more to talk about, Wilfried Bony after Stoke. Jack

Wilshire, this young bright star, potentially now at Crystal Palace on

loan from Arsenal. Crystal Palace and Bournemouth have been rumoured.

He was put into the England squad in the summer unfairly, he has not

played a lot of football, if any at all, last season, and to be put into

the England squad and expects to come up trumps when they needed you,

it was a big call. I feel it is a good move for him, he needs to play

football and keep his fitness. It is like Rooney, he needs to play every

week, and we will soon see what he has got. He has great ability, great

talent, we just haven't seen it enough, and I hope he gets some

luck. I'm sure wherever he goes, whether it is Palace or Bournemouth,

they will be getting a great midfield player. And what about

Davide Louise? He left Chelsea for ?50 million, and is returning to ?20

million. He wasn't a defender when he left. He has been playing for

Paris St Germain, a great football team, and I think he has got rid of

that little error, I have a feeling he liked to get a little too close,

and his individual battles sometimes got the better of the bigger

picture, which was winning the football match. And that could be a

good signing under Antonio Conte, I think he would look after him and

get the best out of him. You have Jacob Zuma coming back as well, I

would like to see Chelsea backing a centre forward. If you look at James

Rodriguez, he is not being used well at Real Madrid,. Those are the

thoughts of Trevor Sinclair, West Brom will need to new players,

Moussa Sissoko is supposedly on his way to Spurs. Lots to happen over

the next 13 hours. Dan Walker is on BBC One at 10.45, and we will have

updates on Sports day at half past six and half past ten.

Thank you very much. The former head of the British Army tells us he

refused to take a drug he knew was being given to his troops because of

his concerns about its safety. General Dannatt is speaking for the

very first time about his own son's mental health issues after an Army

doctor gave him the antimalarial drug Lariam. He says his son,

Bertie, a former soldier who had taken Lariam try to becoming a

soldier became extremely depressed when he took it in the late 1990s.

General Dannatt is urging the Ministry of Defence to show

generosity towards service men and women seeking compensation over its

effects. This is a snapshot of the film we played you earlier.

In an extraordinary revelation, the former head of the British Army

tells us he refused to take a drug that was being given to his troops

because he didn't think it was safe. General Sir David Richards on at

tells us his own son, Bertie, suffered mental health issues after

an army doctor gave him Lariam. He was in Africa shortly after taking

his first couple of doses, and became very unwell very quickly. He

became extremely depressed, not the person that he would normally be, he

was normally very bubbly. He got very withdrawn, and we got very

worried about him. Have you ever taken Lariam? No. Because Bertie had

that effect, whenever I take antimalarial drugs, I said, I will

take anything, I am not taking Lariam. And at the same time... I

took something else on one occasion and make myself very ill, but that

wasn't the mental health issue. You knew you wouldn't take Lariam at the

same time as members who were serving under you were taking it.

Yes. That is true. But again, I think it was because the

organisation hadn't reached a settled view on whether Lariam was

beneficial... But if it wasn't good enough you shouldn't have been good

anybody serving on the? Because I had first-hand experience of what

could happen, I couldn't see the point of putting myself in the same

position, so I took something else. But other people were being put in

the position. This is true. But I think I come back to the fact that

the Ministry of Defence as an organisation was still trying to

come to the conclusion in general terms whether the effects were

beneficial or harmful. The effect almost immediate. It was as if the

wiring in your brain had completely gone or completely rewired. I do get

depressed to the point of suicidal thoughts. Since 1997, the British

and a formulary which GPs consult when prescribing medicines has made

absolutely clear what anyone being given Lariam should be told about

it. It lists a series of neuropsychiatric side-effects, and

says the drug must be stopped immediately if any of them are

experienced. We have spoken to many members of the military who say they

were simply not made aware of that. We were just told, this is what you

are taking, away you go. Were you told there might be side-effects?

Not at all. In a statement, the Ministry of Defence said the vast

majority of deployed personnel already receive alternatives to

Lariam, and where it is used, it is only prescribed after an individual

risk assessment. In many respects, I am a broken man. The Army has broken

me, the Government has broken me. Why do the British Government

continue to give this drug to it serving members?

If you want to share or watch that film again, please head our

programme page. We can talk now to Dr Louis Lillywhite, a former

Surgeon General in the British Armed Forces the 2009, Alan Duncan whose

husband Alistair died last month, he took Lariam during his time in the

military. We're also joined by Johnny Mercer, MP on the Defence

Select Committee and former Army officer, and from Sydney by Dr Jane

Quinn, whose husband Cameron took his own life in 2006, and she feels

Lariam played a part in his death. Thank you all very much for joining

us. LN, our condolences for the loss of your husband Alistair. In 1993 he

was in Bosnia and caught up in an explosion. He had post-traumatic

stress disorder, but when he was deployed to Sierra Leone in 2000, he

was prescribed Lariam, and you believe Lariam played a part in what

happened to him at his death. What is your reaction to hearing General

Dannatt say he would have taken any drugs but Lariam for malaria? I

think it is very sad that they are put into such a position. I think it

is very difficult when you are in that position of command if what is

being given is something else, and you feel you shouldn't take it I

don't really know how they could have stood out against what was the

general orders, because that is what they were, really. They were orders

that you took this drug. Why are you so sure that Lariam played a part in

what happened to your husband, who had suffered post-traumatic stress

disorder? There was a question of post-traumatic stress. There are so

many factors, and it is difficult to peace them apart. It was his

reaction to drugs to treat the symptoms, he reacted well to

anti-convulsants, and Lariam is known to cause seizure disorder. He

reacted very badly to anti-psychotics, and to

benzodiazepines, they caused paradoxical reactions. The drug is

not recommended for anybody who has an existing mental health condition.

How do you feel about the fact that he was given Lariam? I think it was

very early on in the knowledge of that, so that is a difficult

question. But in 1996, they did know it shouldn't have been given if you

had any form of question. Let's bring in Jane Quinn from Sydney.

Your husband took Lariam in 2001 in Kenya, he took his own life in 2006,

and you believe there was a direct link. When you hear General Dannatt

say he wouldn't take it, what is your reaction? I'm quite incensed,

to be honest. The symptoms that he describes in his son are exactly the

same as the symptoms I saw in my own husband. Identical reaction. I wrote

to General Dannatt in 2006 after the death of my husband, describing what

had happened to him, and asking him, urging him, pleading with him to

review the use of Lariam in the British military at that point in

time. Certain now know that he actually had pre-existing knowledge

of how dangerous this drug could be from personal experience, was

refusing to take it himself, but did not intervene to prevent the drug

being given without any appropriate information on side-effects to large

numbers of troops from that point onwards, I think is unforgivable, to

be honest, and I think that also the Surgeon General at the time are

culpable in the injury that has been caused thousands of troops who were

given this drug without proper prescribing practices, and without

records for when their symptoms were acknowledged. I have the Surgeon

General Louis Lillywhite sitting next to me right now. Very handily

brought in! Let me say out front that obviously Lariam does cause

mental health issues, it is acknowledged as doing that. So do

some of the other antimalarials, it is not the only other up one that

does so. None of them are free from side effects, so it is a balancing

act. Last year, half a million people died from malaria. Malaria

kills. In the United Kingdom, we had 1500 cases in the United Kingdom. So

it is a balancing act, I would make that point. There are other

antimalarials yes, they have side-effects... But Lariam

specifically, on the fact it was given to troops when it has known

side effects, are you completely comfortable that in every case when

a soldier was given Lariam that they were given it with the correct

guidance, they were given an individual assessment and warned

about the possibility of side-effects. It is difficult to say

that... Shouldn't you be able to say yes? I should be able to say I am

confident in the last four years. Why Emily the last four years?

Because policies have developed as convocations have become known.

Since 1987, it was in the British and formulary that GPs have... I

agree with you, that should be the case. I know that on occasions it

didn't happen. But you said in the last four years. That is a lot

longer period when warnings should be given. I said with certainty in

the last four years because of the way that the organisation has

changed. But in terms of what has happened in the past, there have

been occasions when almost certainly it was not given with the

appropriate advice, as it were, often because of operational

reasons. If I might actually say, in 2000, when the Prime Minister said

to the Armed Forces, you will go to Sierra Leone and go tomorrow to

rescue the British hostages, and to defeat those holding them, you went

very quickly, and then of course I think that corners were cut...

Are you saying, prior to the last four years, the drug was given

without individual prescriptions? No, there might have been occasions

when it would have been given. Jane wanted to come in. What has to be

acknowledges that it is very likely, from the descriptions that we have

been given, so far, and that are available through a number of

different resources, but it is likely that the majority of people

did not receive appropriate prescribing of Lariam from the time

it was instigated in the British formulary for the military through

to 2013. We know of 17,336 individuals between 2007 at 2015. At

that point, Lariam was the second line antimalarial. Prior to that, it

had been the drug of choice for a large number of deployments.

The number of deployments prior to that could be substantially higher.

It is very clear, from talking to many individuals it was the

exception, rather than the rule, for them to receive any information on

this drug, despite it being a prescription only drug. For the

entire time it has been available in the UK. There is an important point

which has not been covered at all. MPs and the population have made it

clear to the Armed Forces that we must not withhold from the United

Kingdom, the service population, treatments that are recognised and

recommended for the general UK population. The decision on whether

or not you should use Lariam is made by an expert committee. But it's

about whether the appropriate warnings were given or not. If you

look at the case specifically of General Dunnett's son, Bertie, he

was prescribed Lariam in 1999 by a military doctor, he was not in the

army but it was prior to him going into the army. As soon as he

suffered side effects he stopped taking it and he suffered mental

health issues that required treatment and they were treated. His

case shows in 1999 that was recognised, presumably by the people

treating him then, that it was vital that any side-effects were dealt

with quickly. And that there was a warning so he recognised how to

handle it. Indeed, in the early 90s, if you gave Biddulph Grange Lariam,

you early to identify whether there were

side-effects -- if you gave Lariam. If that wasn't being done in many

case, how are there so many cases, 17,000 cases... How come there are

so many cases where there have been side-effects and they clearly

weren't dealt with? I am not sure of the truthfulness of that figure.

Bearing in mind this national committee which is nothing to do

with the MOD but a group of experts, looks at all complications of all

antimalarial drugs. It will be the case that if they consider the

side-effects are significant, and greater than other antimalarial

drugs, they withdraw the recommendation. If an individual is

told, on taking a drug, if you experience any side effect, you must

stop taking it immediately and seek medical treatment. Yes. You would do

it, wouldn't you? Yes. Clearly, people weren't always reporting.

That is right. Alistair was given something else but it appears he

took both. Because he was so affected. You can be so affected,

immediately. Soldiers tend to follow orders. If he had misunderstood,

which is very likely, because it says six months later he is still

taking it appears not to be a problem, he said, I was having bad

dreams, terrible dreams from Bosnia. He said, I didn't realise this was

so serious. Was he told he should stop taking it? He was. No, I don't

know. He was given something else but he appeared to be taking both.

Nowadays, there would be an individual risk assessment where the

doctor looks at the notes, looks at past medical history and will make

an individual decision on that basis. Back in the early 90s and

2000, the soldiers will be told, this could cause side-effects. They

would be given the drug in advance of deployment. There may be one

exception. They are told they get side-effects

and dreams are one that dominate. If that happens, they should stop

taking drugs and given another one instead and that is what I believe

happens. It isn't happening. This is anecdotal, we know of one young man

who was sent to Afghanistan, Mehdi back back with a bad reaction, sent

back at three months later was given it again. Let's bring in Johnny, he

carried out the report, health select committee, what is your

reaction to what you are hearing, today?

I'm listening very clearly to what the Surgeon General is saying and I

get a bit tired of families constantly being told that malaria

is a killer and all drugs have side effects, everybody knows that. This

is a very clear case that the manufacturer said, if you give out

this drug, which is very effective against malaria, which is a killer

disease, you need to go through these procedures. Those procedures

were not followed, it is as simple as that. What Lord Dannatt has said,

I know Bertie, I know his son, I'm just very sorry there seems to have

been so much collateral damage on this pathway to getting people

looked after, properly, when it comes to dispensing this drug.

Malaria is extremely dangerous. It's a killer. It killed a lot of people,

last year, as we have just heard. But it is not good enough to simply

say, we should do this differently, because I know someone who has been

affected by it. Or something like that. It is one of these issues,

such as veteran's care or mental health, we've got to get with the

programme on this. I don't understand why it takes so long in

the country at the moment. I understand we are totally sort of,

fixated on Brexit and so on, but none of this stuff happens, healthy

economy, without the Armed Forces. Without getting defence right. A

fundamental part of defence is looking after people. I don't know

why it takes us so long to understand that. Your committee

called for a near complete ban on Lariam, do you think there should be

a total ban? Do you think there should be a more detailed report,

looking back over what happened in the past?

I think that is for the scientists, and those who are extremely clever,

far cleverer than me, and all these matters to work out exactly what

needs to be done. If you are going to use a drug that have clear

guidelines on the use by manufacturers... If you give it to

people with pre-existing mental health condition, they will get a

lot worse. You should simply not be using it. It is a fairly basic

point. All those points about malaria being a killer, all drugs

having side-effects, yes, absolutely. But, if you are going to

use this drug, you need to use it within these very clear parameters,

set down by the manufacturer. If you don't do that, you need to explain

why you haven't been doing that and look after people properly.

That is absolutely right. I would not differ from anything that he

said. If it's used, we know it needs to go through this individual risk

assessment. We need to make sure, as I said, that the history doesn't

include any mental health. Now. But what about those in the past, who

were not dealt with in that way? This belies the... What do you want

me to say about both? How do you put it right? If they have ongoing

issues, that is something I think the Minister of the Armed Forces has

said, has he not, that we will look into. It's not for me to be able to

give you an opinion on that, but it is quite clear to me that if anybody

in the Armed Forces has suffered illness or injury, as a result of

anything that has happened to them in service, there should be

appropriate compensation for that. That is a process that I hope the

Ministry of Defence will go to. I understand it will. You are

absolutely right, if anyone is damaged by virtue of their service,

they need to be taken care of. Their needs to be appropriate measures in

place to compensate them, that is absolutely right. But we do not have

the facilities to care for them. The fact that my husband spent a year in

a short stay unit, seven months he was held in the extra care area,

which is effectively a corridor, with a piece of land with a green

chain-link fence around it, made him feel it was a military prison. While

they experimented with 20 different psychoactive medications. Absolutely

unacceptable. I have everything documented. I warned, each time,

please don't give him this, it happened. It got worse and worse.

When we got him somewhere, we don't have the facilities. We need units.

That is not a stand-alone case. There is... Chain just wanted to

come in. -- Jane. There is huge stigma around this. When the

Ministry of Defence is essentially denying or has been denying for a

decade or more, that this is a serious health issue and it has been

caused by taking this drug for active service in this particular

population, remember, we only had a tacit admission of that in the last

6-8 months, there has been enormous difficulty in people being able to

access the right care, because this drug has not been taken into account

in their diagnosis. As we have clearly identified, the damage that

is done to the brain by Lariam, a physical damage at a chemical level,

is not something that can be ignored, when looking at the use of

various different drugs to treat the symptoms. Even though the symptoms

may be very similar to a number of other psychiatric disorders.

Whether it is caused by PTSD or something else. There are features

which make it unique, but it is not easy. But in the case of Lariam, is

any soldier given Lariam and not warned about the side-effects, were

they let down? I can't identify any but I cannot

say absolutely not. You said it is only in the last four years that the

warnings for individual prescriptions would have been

happening. There are a lot of people out there who have mental health

issues in the veteran community. It is in this particular community that

it is so important, because they are exposed to other factors such as

blast injuries, traumatic things they see.

The meeting will be held at Chequers, the Prime Minister's

Senior ministers have been asked to consider the opportunities

A 17-year-old boy has died after being pulled from the sea

at the mouth of the River Wear in Sunderland.

A search and rescue operation was launched

teenagers in a dinghy ran into problems on the water.

Two girls and another boy were quickly rescued.

The 17-year-old boy was airlifted to hospital in Newcastle,

A senior commander of the Islamist terror group,

Media linked to IS says Abu Muhammad al-Adnani

It hasn't given any details of how he died, however the US military

confirmed it targeted him during an air strike on Tuesday.

Officials are still assessing the results.

A teenage boy remains in custody after a 40-year-old Polish man

was killed in Harlow in Essex at the weekend.

The man, named locally, was attacked on Saturday and died on Monday.

In total five 15-year-old boys and one 16-year-old boy were

A vigil is being held in Harlow today.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom

Let's catch up with the sport again now.

It is transfer deadline day, and plenty of players on the move before

tonight's deadline. Manchester City's striker Wilfried Bony has

said he is looking forward to an exciting new challenge, he is in

talks with Stoke over a transfer. He cost ?25 million in 2016. Another

player out the door at the Etihad will be Joe Hart, the England

goalkeeper out-of-favour under Pep Guardiola will complete his transfer

to Torino. Jack Wilshire is going out on loan from Arsenal, Crystal

Palace and Bournemouth the favourites to sign him. The total is

now over ?1 billion. England posted the highest ever

one-day international total yesterday to secure a series victory

over Pakistan. Out of the eight Brits at the US Open tennis, five

are now through to the second round at Flushing Meadows, with Andy

Murray, Naomi Brodie and Dan Evans all progressing on the second day in

New York. I am off to put a suit on, and I will see you on the BBC News

Channel at 11.15! Thank you.

One of so-called Islamic State's snenior

Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, who led IS's propaganda campaign,

His death was confirmed by US media. Frank Gardner is here. Tell us more

about him. He is more than just a senior commander. He is probably the

second most high-profile figure in so-called Islamic State, second only

to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. This is someone who has been sending a

stream of vitriol out onto the Internet, encouraging people to

carry out so-called lone wolf attacks, telling people to attack

pretty much all the enemies of IS, which ranges from Bangladesh to

Turkey to Orlando to Nice. He called for a whole lot of intensification

of attacks jeering Ramadan, and sure enough, it was the bloodiest Ramadan

in recent history. This is someone who was considered extremely

dangerous, he was a senior planner and somebody who was very good at

organising groups of people to come together and then form attack plans

overseas. So it is a loss for them. They will replace him, but he was

one of the original founding members of so-called IS when it was Islamic

State in Iraq. He is a Syrian, and it is not quite clear how he died,

because IS say he was killed whilst surveying operations in Aleppo

province, and the Americans say they targeted him on Tuesday, but they

haven't confirmed that they killed him necessarily in an air strike.

You say he will be replaced. How significant you think this killing

is? It is significant, he will be replaced by somebody you and I have

never heard of, who in turn will get killed in an air strike or a battle

with a rival group, but they are running out of people with the kind

of experience that this man had. He had a rare blend of oratory and

oratorical skills and military strategic planning. Look what

happened to Al-Qaeda after Osama bin Laden was killed in 2011. Who is the

leader today? I challenge you to name him. I am not trying to test

you, the point is most people don't know who he is. Al-Qaeda has

haemorrhaged support as IS has taken over from them because the guy has

no charisma. This guy had a certain amount of charisma among troubled

people, and he encouraged people to do very bad things and kill innocent

people, so his departure from the scene has made the world slightly

safer place. Thank you, Frank. As we have been hearing, Theresa May is

sharing a brainstorming summit on how to negotiate the UK's exit from

EU at Chequers, her country resident. Glenn Campbell is there.

What are they aiming to do, and is it likely? Brexit is not the only

issue, but it is top of the Government's agenda, as Cabinet

meets here at Chequers for the first time since Parliament broke up for

the summer break. And here we are, more than two months on from the

vote to leave the European Union, and what is striking, Joanna, is how

little we actually know about what Brexit means. Theresa May has

repeatedly used the catchphrase Brexit means Brexit, in that she

thinks there should be no attempt to try and remain inside the EU, no

attempt to try to rejoin it by the back door, no second referendum, but

beyond that, no attempt to set out in any detail what future

relationship with the EU she is setting out the UK. Their husband

something approaching a summer of silence. -- there has been something

approaching a summer of silence. And they have gone to the table with the

aim of coming up with a collective view. How likely is it that that

will be achieved? I don't think that will be particularly easy. Obviously

the referendum was divisive, the Cabinet has about a third of its

members who favoured a cat might leave vote, and two thirds who

backed the Remain campaign. Theresa May sent away her ministers and

tasked with looking at what opportunities Brexit might bring in

their area of responsibility, so today is a chance for them to report

back to the wider Cabinet, and it has also said that the new

Department for exiting the European Union under David Davis has been

drawing up an options paper which could also form an important part of

those discussions, but there are some big decisions for them to take,

such as should the UK seek to remain a full member of the EU single

market, that massive market of 500 million consumers? If it does, it is

likely that the UK would have to continue contributing to the EU

budget, and would have to continue to accept the free movement of

people. Areas that may be unacceptable to some of those who

campaigned hard for a Leave vote. Those and other issues need to be

sorted out before the UK will be in a position to start to negotiate its

exit from the EU by triggering so-called Article 50, and Theresa

May has made clear she won't be in a position to do that before the end

of this year. Thoughts of you getting in touch on

our Lariam report, the comments by the former general of the army that

he would not take Lariam after his late son to get in the late 1990s.

Bill said, our GP happily prescribed Lariam, after two days of nausea, we

stopped using it, we preferred to run the risk of malaria. Michael has

said, it has saved my life on two occasions. Sharon has said my

husband is one of these fallen men who dedicated his life for 33 years,

and it finished at me in a tour to Sierra Leone and the gift of

epilepsy. Flown home and left alone, no medical contact all concerned.

Medical notes went missing. Brian e-mailed. In 1999, I was serving on

secondment in Uganda. Lariam Was the drug of choice for malarial

protection. We were offered an alternative. This did not prevent

malaria but cure it as you were bitten because you had a large dose

of antibiotic in your system. Abdullah says, could this affects to

ordinary citizens? I now know its effects, I have been suffering from

anxiety, nightmares and changes in my behaviour including being

frightened to travel by air. Another tweet, no antimalarial drug is free

from side effects but it has an exhausted list of almost every side

effect, that is not good. Some children are starting

to worry about body image at a surprisingly young age,

according to a new study. Research from a charity,

which works with nursery school-age children suggests that

children as young as three

will sometimes refer to their 'fat tummies',

with the problem getting more acute In the studio are Dr

Jacqueline Harding from the Professional Association

for Childcare and Early Years, the charity which carried out

the study and Kayleigh Hollingsworth, who's

an Early Years Practitioner running Thank you for joining us.

Jacqueline, kids as young as three? There is a wealth of evidence and

research for older children around this. Around self-image,

self-esteem, what they are thinking of themselves. This is fairly new,

to be looking at such young children. This is the age where the

foundations for who you are again. It is really significant. And

important that we look at this mental processing that these little

ones are having around their body image. Because it has emotional

significance. Do you really see examples of kids as young as three

expressing anxiety around their bodies. I am sad to say we are

picking up now. Give us some examples of what they have said.

Things around what they are looking at, whether they should be wearing

those shoes, does this look right with my dress, are you sure? They

are expressing concern over their hair, their tummies, whether they

are fat, whether they are ugly, it is quite disturbing, such a young

age. You work in a nursery, is this

something you've ever come across? Yes. It's becoming more and more

noticeable. I've been in early years for 11 years now. The example we

gave about fat tummies, there are children that are aware of their

parents trying to lose weight. Even though the parents aren't saying

anything negative about the child, they are picking up on... "You know,

I can't eat that, because I have a flat tummy or that will make me

fat". You have heard children as young as three saying that? Yes,

over the whole of my career, not just now. I have worked in

nurseries, I've been a nanny, I've been in schools. Plenty of other

examples, even what Jacqueline was saying with shoes, they cannot get

their shoes wet, they can't wear them because they are Princess

shoes. You blame the parents? Not at all. That is why we are doing the

research, because we are here to educate everyone, practitioners as

well. Where are they getting the ideas from, Breese -- preschool

kids. Multifaceted. If we look at some animation is why it is all just

too perfect, parents taking selfies, we need to be careful, the sort of

things we are saying around young children because they may be looking

at a book or playing with an iPhone or what ever, but they are really

picking up on the messages around them. If parents and adults can be a

bit careful about what they are saying about themselves. For

example, if you think your eyes are too closely sets together or your

nose isn't the right shape, it is the thing not to say around your

child. Isn't it obvious? It is obvious but because I have seen it

so many times, because they are half the size, we assume they have half

the hearing. They are just absorbing everything going on around them.

What are your concerns about the impact? Don't we want a society

where we value, much more, what's on the inside? For example,

helpfulness, kindness. Creativity. That's brilliant, I saw you solve

that problem, rather than on firming and praising the outward appearance.

Surely parents are doing that as well? We all try our best, but

sometimes we are just not aware that being a role model, we need to be

very careful about what we say around children. They are all ears

when it comes to the kind of messages we are saying about

ourselves. What do you think about that?

I totally agree, we are all guilty of it even me, I am a qualified

early years teacher. Things slip out that you don't realise. If they are

wearing a new dress, you say, that dress is beautiful, but we should

praise the child for what they can do. It is not all about body image.

You can tell a child they look lovely, can't you? Of course you

can, I am not saying that but it is getting to the point, when I took

part in the study, I am 29 years old but I still hate wearing my glasses

because children picked up that I wore glasses when I was younger. It

is as simple as that, when you are three, four, five, they pick

everything up, they are sponges. It is the developmental process that

needs to be understood. It is how we build a view of who we are. We don't

suddenly arrive as a teenager and then decide about body image, it

starts at a very early age. As Caley said, growing up, it was the kids

talking about your glasses. -- Kayleigh. That can't be policed,

children will say what they say. Adults can think more carefully.

Absolutely. It is around protective factors, what can we do to make our

children a bit more resilient? A bit more able to combat things, when

they happen. That's what I mean about putting in some sort of

inoculation. And anaesthetic. How do you do that? Be very careful of the

words that we use and the values we are placing around what is going on

in the inside, who we are as people. Also to point out presumably that

things will be said and how to shake it off. Of course. Have that

conversation. Little ones in an age appropriate way, you can describe to

them how photographs are manipulated, to look better

and to be enhanced. That isn't real life. They are onto that,

straightaway, as you explain that, I get it, they say. Life isn't as

perfect as it might seem. They can take credit for understanding a lot

more. The earlier we start with giving this kind of protective

factors that value the things that will help them with later academic

success, how you feel about yourself is a great predictor to academic

success as well. Comments from people watching, Helen has tweeted,

we need to be careful from discouraging kids from thinking

about body image at all. Pamper parties are a real problem. Darren

has e-mailed it is normal for a child at this age to become aware of

the differences between themselves and others as part of understanding

the world. To suggest it is an image of body image projects issues onto

the children. Sally has said, my little girl who is four often refers

to herself as having a big tummy. She has always commented on big