01/09/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

"The most devastating strike in NHS history".

That's the verdict of Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt

as junior doctors plan a series of five-day walkouts.

We'll be assessing the impact on patients and finding out how

Around 100,000 operations may be cancelled, maybe a million hospital

appointments could end up being postponed and that is going

to cause absolute misery for many, many families up

Donald Trump tells supporters he'll deport millions of illegal

immigrants if he's elected to the White House.

And he's as determined as ever to put up a barrier

On day one we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical,

tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall.

And we'll meet the London 2012 volunteer who's bought kit

for hundreds of paralympians from developing countries

after realising some were competing in running shoes that

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking

Are you due to have an operation in two weeks' time during the doctors

strike? We would like to hear from you especially.

Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin on September

Similar walkouts are planned each month for the rest of the year.

The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has said he still wants to talk.

This time, hospital managements have had a lot less notice they did

when junior doctors in England last staged walk-outs in April.

They will have to postpone thousands of routine operations and planned

rotas to allow consultants to cover their striking junior

The latest round of walk-outs will take place on five consecutive

days, rather than two, which will make it the longest such

A five-day strike will be really tough for us.

I think it will be particularly tough for our patients

because we would estimate at least 13,000 people across the country

will have their procedures cancelled or rearranged.

Strike action affecting routine care began in January this year

but in April the 1st all-out strike by a group of doctors

Then talks resumed and a deal was done between the BMA

and the government, but in July, BMA members rejected

No doctors want to take industrial action, but the silence

from the government, the lack of a response

and the rejection of the contract by junior doctors has meant that,

really, we were left with no other choice today than to take

So many lives are going to be disrupted.

Around 100,000 operations might be cancelled, maybe a million

hospital appointments could end up being postponed

and that is going to cause absolute misery for many, many families up

People will ask themselves, why the BMA, who said

this was a good deal, good for doctors, good for patients,

good for the NHS, are now saying it is such a bad deal

that they want to impose the worst strike in NHS history.

With winter approaching, NHS finances under pressure

and patient care targets being missed, there is growing

frustration across the service at the long-running dispute over

a week and pay and working conditions is not resolved and more

What chance of the dispute being sorted? There was agreement before

and now it has fallen apart. They look as far apart as they have ever

been and there is no prospect of any further talks. Jeremy Hunt said if

the BMA agreed something back in May and the members have thrown it out,

what chance of coming to any meaningful agreement with the BMA?

The BMA's view is that that is what the members wanted, they rejected

the contract and talks have got to get going and the government have

got to drop the idea of imposing the contract in October. What we don't

know is what the Prime Minister Theresa May is thinking. She might

be saying something about that later is, and it looks as if she will have

two express a view as to whether there is any prospect of further

talks or she takes the view that the government has done all it can and

this dispute just continues. Junior doctors, do they still have public

support? The polls in this bring suggested that broadly they did,

they had just over half the public saying that they did not object to

the junior doctors actions, but that might change, moving to five days

rather than two, in terms of all-out strikes in England, and that might

put extra stress on hospitals. That might result in appointment is being

cancelled, but we don't know and we don't know how many junior doctors

Friel, given that 42% voted in favour of the contract, -- feel,

given that 42% voted in favour of the contract, they don't maybe want

to carry on with the action. Others feel it is wrong to talk about a

seven NHS without talking about how it is being funded, and there is

talk that that is not with irrelevant to the Eichmann, the

seven days. What is the sticking point? -- irrelevant to the

argument. It is about working at weekends, the BMA also says there

are issues about how you look after the interests of women in part-time

work, coming back into the workforce, and they feel they have

not had enough reassurances over the seven-day NHS, but the government

says it has made concessions already and they say it was agreed before,

until it has now been thrown out by the members. Thanks for joining us.

We will talk about that further later.

And now a summary of the rest of the day's news.

US Presidential candidate Donald Trump has insisted that

Mexico will pay to build a border wall between the two

countries during a major speech on immigration.

There were expectations that Mr Trump would use the event

to soften his stance on immigration policy.

Instead, the Republican hopeful gave an impassioned address

underscoring his position, as Laura Bicker reports.

There is to be no pivot, no softening of his stance.

Donald Trump is holding his course on immigration, starting

with the policy that has become so popular with his voting base.

We will build a great wall along the southern border.

And Mexico will pay for the wall.

As for the millions in the country illegally, Mr Trump says it is time

for them to leave, only then can they apply to comeback.

Illegal immigrants who have committed crimes

I am going to create a new special deportation task force focused

on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal

immigrants in America who have evaded justice,

just like Hillary Clinton has evaded justice.

This was a very different tone to the one he had taken earlier

with the Mexican president on a surprise visit.

We didn't discuss payment of the wall.

However, this was disputed by President Pena Nieto,

who said on Twitter, "at the beginning of the conversation

with Donald Trump, I made it clear Mexico would not pay for the wall".

Just one more controversy in a campaign which has

And Joanna will be getting reaction from Mexico to Trump's comments -

A 23-year-old man remains in police custody over the deaths of a woman

and young boy who were killed when a car that was being chased

Three girls were also injured in the crash

in Penge in south east London yesterday afternoon.

The man is under arrest on suspicion of causing death

Frankie McCamley is at the scene this morning.

What is the latest? To take you back to yesterday, and you can see more

flowers are being laid behind me. What happened yesterday, there was a

police chasing a suspected stolen vehicle, being driven yesterday

afternoon, and as the chase took place through this residential area,

it mounted the pavement and came here where you can see flowers have

been laid and hit a woman and three young children. Sadly the woman died

and a young boy died at the scene. Three young girls were trapped by

the car and onlookers tried to save them and tried to lift the car and

help bring these girls to safety. They were taken dollars bottle and

that is where they remain. -- they were taken to hospital. Police say a

23-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of death by dangerous

driving and because the police were involved, this was a police car

chase, the Independent Police Complaints Commission will also be

investigating this. Thanks for joining us.

The chief executive of tech giant Apple has described as 'outrageous'

a European ruling that the company was given illegal tax

Tim Cook said the ruling - which says Apple must pay 13 billion

euros in back taxes - was driven by politics.

He told the Irish broadcaster, RTE, that Apple pays a 'reasonable

The EU's commission overreach in this regard is unbelievable to us,

we've never heard anything like it. It is like playing a sports game,

winning a championship and later finding out that the goals count

differently than you thought they did.

People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

The penalty is a fine of up to ?1000.

Here's our Media and Arts Correspondent David Sillito.

It is estimated that more than half a million people watch the BBC

only on the Iplayer and until today they didn't have

We needed it for watching or downloading any BBC programmes

What about on a phone or something?

From today, and anybody who watches or download any BBC TV

content will have to pay the ?145.50 licence fee.

The reason for the change is because the BBC says

it was facing a ?150 million shortfall in its income

because of the number of households that no longer have a television

and are watching the BBC only on the Iplayer catch-up service.

It is less than 2% of households but the government agreed to close

what was described as a loophole in the law.

There won't be any change for those who already pay the licence fee,

but anyone who watches or downloads on BBC TV content onto a smartphone,

tablet or connected television will now have to pay.

The BBC won't say how it will enforce the new law,

but has said it won't be monitoring private Wi-Fi networks.

There's a call today to extend the programme that allows victims

of crime to meet those who committed out the offence against them.

A report by MPs on the Justice Committee says

the provision of such restorative justice schemes is currently

The Ministry of Justice says it will consider the report carefully.

The NHS says there's shortage of organs that could save the lives

Research has found that fewer than a third of Black

and Asian families allow the organs of a relative to be used

after they die, compared to two thirds of white families.

More than 1,300 people died waiting for a transplant

The NHS is calling for ethnic minority groups need

People from black and Asian communities have

Firstly, they are more likely to need a kidney transplant

That is because they have a predisposition to certain diseases

Also, they have many thousands of years of culture about death

So, unless people from black and Asian communities

are prepared to donate, people from their own community

Conservationists say the outlook is bleak for African elephants

after the first ever aerial survey showed a dramatic reduction

The census discovered nearly a third of the continent's elephants -

some 144,000 animals - have been killed, mostly

by poachers, in just a seven year period.

Researchers warn that half the elephants left in Africa

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 930.

In a moment, more on Donald Trumps promise to throw thousands

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

Let's get some sport with Will Perry now.

Will, the transfer window finally closed last night with clubs

It was quite uninspiring in terms of the deadline day, but a few deals

have raised eyebrows. The figure had gone over ?1 billion and it finished

at ?1.165 billion. If you are rich Chelsea supporter, I'm not sure how

you feel about this, David Luiz, he has been re-signed from PSG, who

they sold for ?50 million a couple of years ago and I'm not sure if he

is a better player now than what he was two years ago. He is still a

Brazilian international, is he signed as a centre back? It is not

clear. Moussa Sissoko, he has gone to Tottenham, it looked like he was

going to Everton, and they had a private jet ready for him, but he

decided to stay in London and sign for Tottenham. Interesting

documentary was made on Moussa Sissoko in the summer and he said

that Arsenal were the club in his heart.

Leicester paid a record sum for is Lance Amani. Can you imagine this a

few years ago? Jack Wilshere playing for Bournemouth. Look at this. A

season long loan deal. Absolute dreamland. All the deals are on the

BBC sport website. Onto tennis now and a tough night

for Johanna Konta at the US Open but she has made it

through to the third round? Worrying scenes. She was in her

second-round match, and she crouched to the floor. She was

hyperventilating. She had blurred vision, increased heart rate as

well. Disturbing scenes at one stage. This was against Svetlana

Pironkova. She took a break and came back to win 6-2, 5-7, 5-2. There was

a spike in my heart rate. I could not control my breathing, so I

started hyperventilating and shaking. I went down on the ground

because I was quite violently shaking. You'll good to see she is

OK. She will play Belinda Bencic next. Kyle Edmund made it through to

the next round. He followed up that win against Richard Gasquet. You

will play John Isner in the last 32. -- he will play.

And finally a good day for Tour de France winner

He is aiming to be the first man to win the Tour de France and the

welter in the first year. He leads by 54 seconds. Thank you very much,

Will. The US Republican presidential

candidate Donald Trump has said he will deport millions of illegal

immigrants if he is He also told a cheering crowd

in Arizona that he would build a two thousand mile wall to stop

illegal immigration. His speech came just hours

after talks in Mexico City with the Mexican President Enrique Pena

Nieto. At a news conference afterwards,

his tone was a little gentler than it has been so far

during his campaign. It has been a tremendous honour and

I call you a friend. They beat us at the border,

people are flowing through. Drugs are coming across,

pouring across. No one wins in either country

when human smugglers and drug traffickers prey on innocent people,

when cartels commit acts of violence, when illegal

weapons and cash flow We have a tremendous deficit,

we have a trade deficit with Mexico. When jobs leave Mexico,

the US or central America and go overseas, it increases poverty

and pressure on social services as well as pressures

on cross border migration. We are going to have our borders

are nice and strong, We recognise and respect the right

of either country to build a physical barrier or a wall

on any of its borders. We didn't discuss

payment of the wall. In Arizona, he set out his ten point

plan to tackle illegal immigration. He mentioned the wall again, but in

a different tone, and he talked about who should pay for it.

On day one we will begin working on an impenetrable,

physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall.

We will use the best technology including

above and below ground sensors, that's the tunnels.

Towers, aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall,

find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels

and Mexico, you know that, will work with us,

He went on to speak about what he thinks is wrong

The fundamental problem with the immigration system

in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors,

political activists and powerful, powerful politicians.

Let me tell you who it does not serve.

It does not serve you, the American people.

When politicians talk about immigration reform,

they usually mean the following; amnesty, open borders, lower wages.

Immigration reform should mean something else entirely.

It should mean improvements to our laws and policies to make

In Mexico this morning is Erik Markeset, who was born

in Mexico and runs his own business in Mexico City.

Republican and Donald Trump supporter Alex Chalgren is in Texas

for us, and Brian Bledsoe, who is also a Republican but isn't

convinced Donald Trump is the right man for the top job

Erik, you live in Mexico City - how are people thee feeling

about Donald Trump visiting?- You've helped organise protest

rallies in Mexico City - how much interest has there been?

For a lot of reasons I am opposed to him. I can't figure out what he

stands for, the constant flip-flopping, even on issues like

Mexico, are troubling. The fact that he would bash Mexico and Mexicans

and then come to Mexico seems inconsistent. If I understood what

he represented, maybe I would consider it, but he is a

businessman, he knows what still stability -- he knows what stability

means to the business community. He struck a different tone in Mexico

from the one he used later in Arizona, but obviously it is a

different environment, when you're delivering a speech versus talking

to somebody about something you want to achieve together. In the US, he

is calling Mexicans ravers, then he is talking in Mexico about them

being valuable contributors. So what is his perspective on Mexico, on

trade? One minute he says he wants to eliminate NAFTA, and the other he

wants to eliminate it -- he wants to reform it. I am for fair trade, and

I am not sure where Donald Trump stands.

Alex, you're a loyal Trump supporter - has your view changed

He wants to build the wall, he wants to deport the illegal aliens in this

country, and he wants... I don't see how there is a narrative change. If

you want to make friends and influence people, is the rhetoric

that he uses the right way to go about it? We're hearing that the

sense in Mexico is that Mexicans are being bashed by Donald Trump and

people who don't even have the chance to vote in the selection

coming out against him because of it. I that is the media perpetrating

him in this racist, bigoted way. The words are coming out of his mouth.

He has corrected much of what he has said. He has said, I have offended

people and I am sorry. He has changed his ways, and I think that

needs to be brought out more. He had been meeting with the Mexican

president and said, we did not discuss who pays for the wall. The

Mexican president said, we did discuss it, and I said we will not

pay for it. Is that a trustworthy thing to come out and come and say

one thing when the reality seems to be different? I obviously don't know

what the conversation was, because it was behind closed doors. But I am

sure that whatever was discussed, it will be implemented when Mr Trump is

president, whether it means Mexico will pay for the wall or it means is

that there may be more fees on visas to pay for it. I don't know. Brian,

you have had reservations, are you warming to Donald Trump? This speech

last night was one of his best speeches. I have heard him speaking

numerous times, and this is one of the best speeches. He hit on a lot

of the issues that he should stay on, I think, whether it is Kate's

law. It was definitely one of his best speeches. The thing about it

is, he can say all of this right now, then next day he can do or say

something that will contradict everything he said did last night.

My reservation, my concern, is the unpredictability as far as going

back and forth on different things, and just having to deal with that.

Are you saying you don't trust what he is saying? He flip-flops too

much, which is what Eric was saying? That is my main issue. What I say a

lot is that I pray for the sick of the -- for the sake of the country

about how he goes back and forth. On immigration specifically, he is

clear that he wants a wall. These clear that if you have arrived in

the States illegally, you have no right to be there. Where is the room

for confusion? As far as immigration, that is the one issue

he has built his whole campaign on. It is something I'm not so much

wishy-washy on that. It is other policies that he comes out with and

that he will have an flip-flopped on, say one thing and then come back

and say another thing. I don't know where he stands if he keeps being

consistent. He looks at the figure of 11 million illegal immigrants in

the United Do you believe he can make good on

the sorts of things he is offering? I believe when Donald Trump says he

is going to get something done he will get it done and that is a

record he has in business. He a businessman and he makes deals and

he knows how to get things especially when it comes to

building, when it comes to building the wall across the border and

having Mexico pay for it, it will get done. Thanks for joining us.

A free helpline for women who have used online abortion pills is to be

launched across Ireland to help those who can't afford the trip

From today, you cannot catch up with BBC programmes on your iPlayer

without first buying a TV licence, but how will they know

And now a summary of the rest of the day's news.

Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin

on September the 12th, affecting all forms of care.

Similar walkouts are planned each month for the rest of the year.

The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has said he still wants to talk.

So many lives will be disrupted, around 100,000 operations might be

cancelled, maybe a million hospital appointments could end up being

postponed, and that will cause absolute misery for many families up

and down the country. People will ask themselves, why the BMA, who

said this was a good deal, good for doctors and for patients and the

NHS, are now saying it is such a bad deal that they want to impose the

worst strike in NHS history. Causing absolute devastation for patients.

The chief executive of tech giant Apple has described as 'outrageous'

a European ruling that the company was given illegal tax

The EU's commission overreach in this regard is unbelievable

to us, we've never heard anything like it.

It is like playing a sports game, winning a championship and later

finding out that the goals count differently than you

A 23-year-old man is still in police custody after a woman and young boy

were killed when a car that was being chased

Three girls were also injured in the crash

in Penge in south east London yesterday afternoon.

The man is under arrest on suspicion of causing death

People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

The penalty is a fine of up to ?1000.

We will have more on this very shortly.

There's a call today to extend the programme that allows victims

of crime to meet those who committed out the offence against them.

A report by MPs on the Justice Committee says

the provision of such restorative justice schemes is currently

The Ministry of Justice says it will consider the report carefully.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Will's back again now with the sport headlines.

A massive, record braking ?1.165 billion spent

One of the biggest deals on deadline day saw David Luiz return to Chelsea

Tottenham managed to convince Moussa Sissoko to join them instead

of Everton in the 11th hour with the French Internnational

The British number one Johanna Konta collapsed on court at the US Open

but she recovered to win her second round match. Kyle Edman is also into

the third round. And Chris Froome moved up to second place in the

overall standings in cycling's Tour of Spain. That is the headlines.

Later I will be with Britain's first-ever Olympic medallist in the

hammer event. There's concern for the safety

of women in Northern Ireland who are choosing to terminate

their pregnancies illegally using pills bought online

because it is much cheaper than travelling abroad

for the procedure. The British Pregnancy Advisory

Service is launching a free telephone helpline because they're

worried women may not seek medical It is illegal to have an abortion

in Northern Ireland in most cases, apart from when the mother's life

or long term health is put at risk. This puts its laws at odds

with the rest of the UK, where abortions have been legal

under certain conditions since 1967. Let's talk now to Goretti Horgana,

a pro-choice campaigner. Maggie, who joins us on the phone

and has asked to remain anonymous, is a young Northern Irish woman

who broke the law by taking medically tested abortion

pills she bought online. And Mara Clarke, Director

of the Abortion Support Network that helps young Irish women

who seek an abortion. Maggie, you are talking to us

anonymously. Why have you decided to take on abortion pill? When I was

22, four years ago, between my third and fourth year at university I

discovered I was pregnant, and all I had to live on was my student loan,

it is not back great, the summer pavement. I knew I wanted an

abortion -- pavement. The only way I could get the abortion was to order

pills from the internet. Giving in a country where abortion is illegal in

those circumstances, how much did you think about the decision? I

thought about the illegality more after I'd done it. After ordering

the pills and going through the medical consultation online and

waiting for them to arrive, I only worry was, I don't want to be

pregnant any more. I was not worried about prison. It is more something I

think about now. Will someone come for me question mark will I wake up

with the police at my door? -- come for me? At the time I did not want

to be pregnant and that was the only thing I thought about. How much did

you think about the decision to terminate the pregnancy? I'm just

wondering about the background in Northern Ireland, terminating a

pregnancy is not something you were able to do openly, how much did that

affect your decision-making? In a lot of ways I was lucky because I

did tell everyone around me, my friends and family knew. It was not

a big secret. When you do tell people they say they know someone

who also had an abortion, and so on the surface it seems like a giant

secret, but when you scratch it slightly everyone knows someone who

has had an abortion. There are concerns about people buying the

pills online, it is illegal to buy them online, as we mentioned, and

also concerns about what you might be getting. Did you have any issues?

After you had taken the pill. Not at all. Currently there are two

organisations which provide pills, which are reputable, because I was

in consultation with a doctor, they go through your medical history and

they asked medical questions before you get them, and when they arrived

they came with a subscription signed by a doctor which detailed exactly

what they were. And the steps that you had to go through. I went

through those exactly. I was quite sure that the pills I ordered were

the pills I needed. You mentioned that you spoke to those around you

about what you were doing. Did you feel supported? Or did you feel

there was more support that you might have wanted? Today there is a

helpline which has been set up for people in your position to contact.

People were supportive in the way they accepted I'd made a choice but

at the same time they did not know what I was going through. Most

people at that stage were still travelling to have abortions,

talking about taking an abortion pill was not very common. There were

medical things I worried about, you bleed a lot when you take these

pills and I was thinking, is that too much blood? At what stage do I

go to the hospital? I'm glad the helpline is open, because to be able

to phone someone and ask that question, that would have made it

much easier. I know you by abortion pills for women in the same position

as Maggie. Maggie said when she took it it was not very common, but how

common is it now? It has become much more common over the last 4-5 years.

Probably the situation now, nearly as many women who are choosing to

buy the pills online as there are travelling to England for abortions.

Is it the easy option now? I think it is an accessible option, everyone

would prefer to have a legal abortion, but the reality is, it can

cost something between 500 and ?600 to get access to illegal abortion in

England, which will be the same abortion they would get by getting

the pills online. And that costs may be ?70. A very big difference.

There's also something which is not spoken about, additional life costs

of travelling to another part of the UK, because in Northern Ireland we

are part of the UK, whether we like it or not, and travelling to the UK,

to another part, to obtain a medical procedure which is available

everywhere else, but that means leaving your home. I live in the

North West and I would have to travel 90 minutes to the airport in

Belfast and get a plane from there, and it means leaving your children

and maybe other caring responsibilities and your work and

taking time. The law in Northern Ireland is clear regarding

abortions, does the availability of these pills online and the easy

access to them and the fact there is now a helpline, does that

effectively demolish the laws by the back door? Yes, it does, the law has

been shown, because of the technology which is available now,

the technology of the pills and also the internet allowing access to

those pills, it means in effect the law is being broken on a daily basis

which means it should be reformed, any law that is being broken on a

daily basis, clearly it is not working. There was a proposal to

legalise abortion in cases of fatal fatal abnormality in the Northern

Ireland assembly -- feet tall. That was defeated. This is a law which

has been looked at recently. Yes, but you have got to remember, our

politicians in Northern Ireland are not really elected on social issues

overwhelmingly. But they do represent the will of the people?

They represent the will of the people in terms of sectarian issues,

but whether they are representing us in terms of abortion... This is not

on the platform when they are standing? Not at all. Abortion was

an issue in the recent assembly elections but it was an issue where

people were saying that they wanted change, not an issue... It was not

an anti-abortion push, it was very much a pro-choice push, but the

politicians pretty much ignored it. You are from the abortion support

network, what is your perspective? The helpline is a great thing, we

know hundreds of women every year are accessing these pills online

which is great and we provide financial support to the people who

want to travel over. It can cost between ?400 and ?2000 to travel

over depending on the state of pregnancy. A couple of things we

want to make clear, these pills are very safe, the World Health

Organisation has these pills on the essential medicines list, even

outside of a clinical setting, and it is not just young women taking

these pills, we have had calls from people ranging from 13 up to 52,

everyone gets pregnant and these pills are an option for anyone who

gets pregnant. Anybody who is getting them, they are breaking the

law? Absolutely. There was a case where a woman from Belfast was given

a suspended sentence for doing it. There's a lot to take into

consideration. Making it against the law does not stop it, it is not

against the law to travel, but women with this cost to travel over can

travel over, but women who do not have that money, though the stories

we have heard -- the stories we have heard through our helpline, before

they found out about these pills, it was about drinking bleach, scoring

heroine, because they thought it might trigger a miscarriage, so

let's not pretend that making abortion illegal makes this utopia

where a abortion doesn't happen. The fact women have the option of

getting pills that the world health organisation says are safe, it says,

if you take these pills, if you are scared, yes, you bleed a lot, but

how much is too much? Now you can call this helpline and find out the

answer to this question, but we still feel the law needs to change.

Some women do not know they are pregnant until ten weeks after

pregnancy. We had a woman who found out she was pregnant after 24 weeks,

and she had literally minutes to make arrangements to come over here

to get a procedure which cost ?1350, plus flights.

Maggie, a quick thought from new - if the pill had not been available,

what would you have done? If it had not been a vulnerable -- had not

been available, I would be dead. I would not have known what to do.

Tank of joining us. That is Maggie, who has been talking us anonymously.

We invited someone from Northern Ireland's Department of Health and a

partner justice onto the programme to talk about the country's laws,

but neither accepted. The Department of Health did send us

this statement: The Department of Health is aware of this

and would remind members of the public that taking medicines

obtained through unregulated sources can put their health

at serious risk. Prescription-only medicines should

only be taken when prescribed by an appropriate practitioner

and should be obtained from a registered pharmacy

or other regulated source. The boss of Apple says

the European Commission's ruling that the tech company,

should pay ?11 billion of back taxes to Ireland

is political and unfair. We look into the row over its Irish

tax status. People who don't own a television -

but use the BBC iPlayer to catch up on shows -

must pay for a TV Until now, only people who watched

programmes as they were being broadcast needed

to pay the annual fee. Viewers will be asked to confirm

that they have a licence - otherwise they risk prosecution

and a ?1,000 fine. Our Media and Arts Correspondent

David Sillito is with me now. How is it going to be monitored? An

interesting question. At the moment, until yesterday, you didn't have two

get a license if you were on a catch-up service, or downloading

programmes. That was considered to be a loophole, so it has come to an

end. If you had been using the iPlayer as a live service, watching

this life, for instance, you would have had to pay the licence fee. The

question about it at the moment is, how will anyone know whether or not

you're watching iPlayer? There have been all sorts of stories over the

summer, for instance, talking about detector vans that might be able to

sniff your Wi-Fi. There was a statement from the BBC saying, no,

they are not going to be part outside of your house monitoring

your Wi-Fi, but they do say, and they have issued a statement, they

have methods, just as they have methods of working out whether

you're watching an ordinary television, that will help work out

why your watch -- whether you're watching the iPlayer. Other awful

lot of people are watching iPlayer via a sky or BT service, so it is

not clear how that would take place, or for legally they are actually

allowed to do. TV detector vans - have never seen any evidence of

exactly how they operate, and it has not come to court as far as I know.

I'm sure someone will say they have found some evidence in court, but I

have never heard of it. There are suspicions that there are things out

there monitoring, and presumably that has an impact. The most likely

method is, if you don't have a license, they know the households

that don't have them, they will receive a letter, and I think that

is more likely. It has changed today. If you download any BBC TV

content or watch it, you will have to pay the licence fee. However, if

you are only using the iPlayer radio, and no TV content, you still

don't have to pay. If you are downloading third-party material,

from other broadcasters, you don't have to pay. You can't say that you

are watching television but not the BBC, because if you're watching a TV

service on a television, you still have to pay. It is complicated. The

essences, if you have a television and you watch any BBC TV content,

you have to pay from now. Or if you are watching with a computer rather

than a television. Renate Samson is the Chief Executive

of the Big Brother Watch, an organisation that

campaigns for the protection Thank you for joining us. The BBC

says it won't be monitoring Wi-Fi, but what are your concerns? First, I

don't have a clue what they are going to be doing to determine who

is and is not watching live iPlayer on a device when they shouldn't be,

and whether they have a TV licence. If this came into force today --

this came into force today and none of us know what is going on of what

the BBC are playing at. What could be done? That is the big question. I

have no idea. Under existing law, the regulatory investigative Powers

act, they can use systems to monitor people who don't pay their licence.

There is a new surveillance bill being discussed now and there is no

mention of the BBC in there. Law enforcement are having to be

incredibly open and transparent about what they are doing. If the

BBC intends to use intrusive surveillance powers to monitor our

rector video online, they need to be more upfront than they are now. If

it boils down to checking out which households do have a license and

which don't and writing to the ones who don't ask them to explain

themselves, is that OK? Of course. A letter through the door, there is

nothing intrusive about that. But how are they going to know that you

are the household that is worthy of the letter? 94% of people pay their

licence. Will we snoop on 100% of people, 94% of whom are abiding by

the law? Add don't think that is particularly proportionate, do you?

-- I don't think. Thank you for joining us.

The boss of Apple says it's "unfair" that the firm's been ordered

to pay $11 billion in back taxes to Ireland.

Tim Cook told RTE Radio he's confident the European Commission's

Our business correspondent Andy Verity is here with more.

What has he said, and the? The ruling says they owe $11 billion.

The claim that Apple has had a special tax till, you have to be

careful there, because it is not really denying that Apple has paid

tiny rates of effective tax, at 0.005% according to the European

Commission. He says it is unfair unprecedented and it reverses the

tax law that existed in the past. Other people have criticised some of

what he is saying, saying if you look at what Apple is talking about,

they have set up special arrangements. They have a

labyrinthine tax structure, creating all kinds of subsidiaries will stop

it had to be explained by flow charts to a Senate committee, so it

is not simple. The suggestion from critics is that Apple are being a

bit indignant about this. Perhaps they feel entitled. If you faced a

bill for 13 billion euros, you might feel indignant. But they say they

have set up this structure, according to critics. Let's hear

from Apple. It is maddening and disappointing. It is clear that this

comes from a political place. It has no basis in fact or in law.

Unfortunately, it is one of those things we have to work through. I'm

sure your listeners can relate to this - when you're accused of doing

something that is so foreign to your values, it brings out an outrage in

new, and that is how we feel. Apple has always been about doing the

right thing, never the easy thing. You know, we had a very difficult

thing in the beginning of this year with fighting the US Government over

the privacy and security of our customers. That wasn't easy to do,

but it was the right thing to do. To your mind, has apple done anything

wrong here? Does Apple have anything to apologise for? No. We haven't

done anything wrong, and the Irish Government hasn't done anything

wrong. That is his view, of course, but the EU commission would say

there is a basis on law - it is the law on illegal state aid, and

according to the commission, Apple has broken out. Quickly,

manufacturing figures this morning. Yes, the absence of gloomy

post-Brexit data, we have had some, but manufacturing in July was

sharply down, one of the biggest dips in manufacturing output that we

have seen in awhile, as measured by this index. It has bounced back, the

biggest bounce in 25 years August. That suggests there is a stimulating

effect on the weak pound. Because the pound is weak, people from other

countries who want to buy goods in pounds are finding that it is more

competitive than that maybe helping. Thank you, Andy.

Hospitals in England are drawing up contingency plans for a further

junior doctors' strike. Give us your views on that. Let's catch up on the

latest weather. I want to take you further afield, where we have

violent weather on the menu over the next few days. We are keeping an eye

on this tropical storm. Colossal amounts of rain, damaging winds

pushing up through is this -- pushing up through Florida. Over the

next several days, major impact on the eastern seaboard. The 1st of

September, mists and mellow fruitfulness. A lovely shot taken by

one of our weather watchers in Somerset. Some cloud and patchy rain

pushing across Northern Ireland, spreading its way east into Scotland

as we go through the afternoon. A bit of a North- South split. Lots of

England and Wales will have a delightful day. Here is 4pm. The

temperatures are doing very well, into the low- mid 20s. It should

stay fine for the cricket at Headingley. Some rain in Northern

Ireland and Scotland. It will come and go, not a complete wash-out. The

most persistent rain will be the further west you go in Scotland.

That rain will move towards the south-east. A role reversal

tomorrow. Those who have sunshine today will have cloudy skies

tomorrow. Scotland and Northern Ireland, the more north-western

parts of England and Wales, much brighter, with sunshine and a few

showers. For the weekend, it will be mixed. Some wet weather, for sure,

for just about all of us, but some sunshine as well. A complicated what

the picture -- a complicated weather picture. There will be a lot of

cloud and rain. It will be pretty wet on Saturday, France pushing in

from the West after a dry start. Central and southern areas could see

the wettest weather. Dry weather for the North. It looks as though the

wettest weather will slide to the east overnight on Saturday. I am

hopeful that on Sunday we could see some reasonable sunshine.

Temperatures are roughly where they should be - high teens low 20s. We

will keep an eye on that stop. Hello it's Thursday,

it's 10 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us. Strikes and more strikes -

how will junior doctors' plans for a wave of five-day

walkouts affect patients - Around 100,000 operations may be

cancelled, maybe a million hospital appointments could end up

being postponed and that is going to cause absolute misery

for many, many families up We're devastated that the government

hasn't listened to junior doctors, to concerns we still have,

to our rejection of the contract and we've been left

with no other choice. Should all victims of crime get

the chance to meet the person We hear from a woman whose son James

was killed 5 years ago - They will be with us together in the

studio. And fury and despair over the plight

of African elephants - as it's revealed poachers have

killed nearly 150,000 in seven years - we find out how a team in Botswana

is trying to protect them. That most amazing noise is the sound

of a snoring elephant. They had to keep his trunk open throughout so he

could breathe while under the influence of the drugs.

Over to the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin

on September 12th, affecting all forms of care.

Similar walkouts are planned each month for the rest of the year.

The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has said he still wants to talk.

This time, hospital managements have had a lot less notice than they did

when junior doctors in England last stage walk-outs in April.

They will have to postpone thousands of routine operations and plan

rotas to allow consultants to cover their striking junior

The latest round of walk-outs will take place on five consecutive

days, rather than two, which will make it the longest such

A five-day strike will be really tough for us.

I think it will be particularly tough for our patients

because we would estimate at least 13,000 people across the country

will have their procedures cancelled or rearranged.

Strike action affecting routine care began in January this year

but in April the first all-out strike by a group of doctors

Then talks resumed and a deal was done between the BMA

and the government, but in July, BMA members rejected

No doctors want to take industrial action, but the silence

from the government, the lack of a response

and the rejection of the contract by junior doctors has meant that,

really, we were left with no other choice today than to take

So many lives are going to be disrupted.

Around 100,000 operations might be cancelled, maybe a million

hospital appointments could end up being postponed

and that is going to cause absolute misery for many, many families up

People will ask themselves why the BMA, who said

this was a good deal, good for doctors, good for patients,

good for the NHS, are now saying it is such a bad deal

that they want to impose the worst strike in NHS history.

With winter approaching, NHS finances under pressure

and patient care targets being missed, there is growing

frustration across the service at the long-running dispute over

weekend pay and working conditions is not resolved and more

The US Presidential candidate Donald Trump has insisted that

Mexico will pay to build a border wall between the two countries.

He set out a hard-hitting plan to curb illegal immigration.

He restated plans to build a border wall with Mexico,

hours after appearing to be more conciliatory in a meeting

Addressing a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, the Republican candidate

insisted that Mexico would pay for its construction.

The chief executive of tech giant Apple has described as 'outrageous'

a European ruling that the company was given illegal tax

Tim Cook said the ruling - which says Apple must pay 13 billion

euros in back taxes - was driven by politics.

He told the Irish broadcaster, RTE, that Apple pays a 'reasonable

A 23-year-old man is still in police custody after a woman and young boy

were killed when a car that was being chased

Three girls were also injured in the crash in Penge in south east

The man is under arrest on suspicion of causing death

People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

Until now, only people who watched programmes

as they were being broadcast needed to pay the annual fee.

Now viewers will be asked to confirm that they have a licence -

otherwise they risk prosecution and a ?1000 fine.

There's a call today to extend the programme that allows victims

of crime to meet those who committed out the offence against them.

A report by MPs on the Justice Committee says

the provision of such restorative justice schemes is currently

The Ministry of Justice says it will consider the report carefully.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

I would love to know what you think about the idea of victims of crime

meeting those who have actually carried out the crime. I will be

joined by one mother whose son was killed, and by the man who killed

her son. They are talking about why they decided to meet up a few years

after the death of James. Do stay with me for that.

Will Perry has the sport now and is joined by somebody who made

history in Rio a couple of weeks ago.

I'm joined by someone who won a bronze medal in the hammer event for

Team GB, Sophie Hitchon. The first British medal in the event and the

first British medal in the field since Fatima Whitbread through the

javelin in 1988. We have had some great people in the past to have

been unlucky with medals, but it is great to get those records out of

the box. What was it like? It was so dramatic you were in fifth place,

and it was your final throw. What were you thinking? You had given up

already and it was just adrenaline? I had been training very well going

into it and I kind of knew that I could throw the distance and if I

put my technique together I would be in with a shout of a medal. We can

have a look. Incredible. It doesn't get old. Hamley times have you seen

that? -- how many. Many times. It doesn't get old. Field athletes

don't really come into their own until you are in your 30s, so you

have miles ahead of you because you are 25. Yes, the woman who won this

year is around 31, I think, so with more training in the next four

years, I'm looking forward to Tokyo and maybe another Olympics after

that. Why are there so few British women involved in field events?

Britain is quite a bit smaller than many countries. You have had that

quite a bit since you came back, and you used to be a ballet dancer and

you imagine that hammer throwers are huge. Everyone is different. But I

think in the next few years hopefully we can inspire a few more

people to take up the hammer and even other field events. I want to

have a go, I thought you were going to bring it in. What about the

homecoming? You went from Rio to Poland for another event? Yes, after

the competition I did not have much downtime and I was doing many

different things, getting myself out there a little bit. It was great.

I'm going back to Burnley next week and everyone there is so proud. I

heard your dad on the radio and he said he had to watch it on the BBC

sport website, watching you win the medal. Incredible. They were

watching at home and they were really proud. It was great to have

that support from people at home. Congratulations, and we will see you

in Tokyo? Definitely. That is Sophie Hitchon with a bronze medal around

her neck. I never get sick of seeing those medals.

And now the seemingly never-ending dispute over junior doctors

contracts rolls on. Hospitals in England are making

contingency plans for a series of five-day strikes

announced by junior doctors. Before we get into discussing

the latest action, let's have a reminder of how

we got to this point. Junior doctors have taken part

in six days of strikes this year, Industrial action was put on hold

in May when the two sides got back round the table

at conciliation service Acas. That resulted in a new contract

being agreed, which BMA leaders But when it was put to the vote,

58% of medics rejected it, prompting the resignation

of the BMA junior doctor leader Johann Malawana,

and ministers to once again announce they would impose

the new terms and conditions. The strikes will take place

from 08:00 BST to 17:00 BST from 12th to 16th September,

with more dates to follow. I asked the health editor how much

support there is for the latest strike. Some junior doctors might

feel... Given 42% voted in favour of the contract, some of them might

feel by not sure if they want to carry on with this action. Equally,

other junior doctors were adamant they think this government is wrong

to impose a contract and wrong to talk about a seven NHS in England

without showing how it can be funded and saying junior doctors work at

weekends already, so that is not really relevant to the argument, the

seven days. What is the sticking point? So many different issues, but

on the contract is over the issue of how you when you break doctors at

weekends for working at weekends and the BMA says there are issues over

how you look interests of women and part-time workers coming back into

the workforce, and they feel they have not had enough reassurances on

the seven-day NHS. The government says it has made concessions already

and this was agreed before, only to be thrown out by the members, so the

dispute continues. What kind of Russia does this but on

the house secretary Jeremy Hunt? -- what kind of pressure does this put

on the Health Secretary. The rhetoric from the Health Secretary

is unflinching and he is of the view that the Conservatives had a

manifesto commitment to a seven-day NHS and they have a mandate to

deliver that. In terms of the pressure he is under, what is

interesting about his position, he is conscious and he is making the

argument around what he sees as the divided politics of the BMA, the

fact that there are a good number of junior doctors who are willing to

accept the deal that was on the table, and the negotiators for the

BMA made the case that this was a deal which was worth accepting and

there is a potential division there which he might politically exploit.

Secondly, rewind the clock, there was a change of Prime Minister, and

Jeremy Hunt, it was widely thought, might not continue as the Health

Secretary, and when he turned up at Downing Street to see what was going

to happen to him, the Badgley normally wears under his suit which

says NHS was not their -- the badge he normally wears. Some thought that

might mean he would shuffle into another job, but he has carried on

as the Health Secretary, and at the meeting when he was reappointed the

dispute was discussed between him and the new Prime Minister Theresa

May and there was a commitment that he wanted to carry on with the job

and that the government would remain committed to the idea of the

seven-day NHS. From that perspective he has had a turbo-charged sense of

his political mission reinforced with the new Prime Minister in

Dawson back, and we will hear from Theresa May in the next hour or so

-- endorsing that. From that perspective politically, Jeremy Hunt

will feel he was endorsed by the previous Prime Minister and now the

new one, as well. Thanks for joining us. No one from the Department of

Health or the BMA was able to talk to us this morning.

But I'm joined by Chris Hopson from NHS Providers,

We are joined by also a chief executive of national voices who

works with patients to improve health care standards, Jeremy

Taylor. Chris, Jeremy Hunt says 100,000 bombers will have to be

cancelled, would you agree with that? -- 100,000 appointments. We

have been given precious little notice of the fact that we are about

to go into five days of strikes which is unprecedented in the

history of the NHS and we are one have 12 days to prepare, so the

people that we represent, hospital leaders, they are saying that this

is a difficult situation because it is a long strike and because they

have been given so little notice of the fact it was coming. How do you

prepare? As as happened with previous strike days, the hospital

leaders will have conversations with the junior doctors to assess how

many of them will actually go out on strike and then talk to consultants

and other medical staff to see how available they will be and they will

try and fill as many gaps as possible, but the reality is, the

last time we had three strikes, it was a two-day strike and we had

100,000 cancelled operations and I think a million Dost outpatient

appointments, so what we are saying, this will be very disruptive --

lost. The last time I visited a hospital I was talking to a taxi

driver who was taking me there and he explained he was one of those

patients who in the previous strike had actually missed his operation

and he was explaining the consequences that had gone through

for him personally in terms of the arrangements he had put in place, a

lot of time and effort, to look after dogs and the house when he was

away, and he was in a huge amount of pain and he was deeply frustrated,

to be frank, about the fact he was going to have to live with the pain

longer because they were going on strike.

You said that the strike led to a hundred operations being cancelled.

Again, it is difficult to know. Because they are shorter strikes. On

the other hand, we have less time to prepare. There will be a loss of --

a lot of work being done in the next few days to work out what the impact

will be, but particularly because it is a five-day strike and at short

notice there will be a significant impact. Jeremy Chardy, what are your

concerns about the impact on patients? There will be cancelled

operations and missed appointments. People will suffer pain, discomfort,

anxiety, worry, inconvenience. This is not a good thing for patients.

Strikes are not good, and they will have an impact on patients. Chris's

members did a sterling job in minimising the disruption the last

time. The rest of the health care workforce rallied round. NHS

managers did a fantastic job to organise services to minimise

disruption, but inevitably there will be disruption and it has a bad

impact on patients. If the doctors want to make a point of air strike,

it needs to have an impact. It will have a bad impact on patients. We

need people to get back around the table, compromise is hard but it is

better than striking. We're talking about the number of operations

cancelled, but what about appointments, which in many cases

people will have been waiting for for a long time? I don't want to

bandy around statistics, because I don't have any to ban the run. While

there is uncertainty, we haven't had a five-day stoppage before. What we

can be sure about is that there will be a substantial number of planned

operations and appointments that will have to be postponed, so I

don't have exact numbers, but we can be pretty sure that it will cause

disruption. What type of care will be affected? Presumably, it comes

down to who is. Write the specific specialities of medics who will be

available. The hospital has three different things it does. It has

accident and emergency departments, where there is a strong focus on

ensuring that if there is a genuine accident or emergency, that will be

looked after. In the last strike, people were at the front door to

say, if you are not urgent, go to the GP, for example. Secondly, there

will be a the there -- there will be elective operations that will be

cancelled because there will be insufficient staff to conduct those.

Hopefully be less urgent ones will be postponed. The third thing is

that outpatient appointments, a follow-up appointment, for example,

because there won't be enough people those will be disrupted. We will

concentrate on providing the right quality of accident and emergency

service, but as was discovered last time, what will be particularly hit

will be elective operations, and then outpatient appointments. These

elective operations get scheduled sometime in advance. When do they

get slotted in once they have been cancelled? Does everybody get

shunted and have to wait longer? Decisions will be made on the basis

of clinical need. Effectively, if there is someone who cannot wait,

they will be done as quickly as possible. If there are people for

whom perhaps a four-week wait will be slightly less of an impact, they

might wait longer. Again, all I am saying, Joanna, is we are talking

about 1 million patients coming through our hospitals every 36

hours. It is a finely honed, detailed, complex operation to get

that number of people through an already overstretched health

service. I cannot really tell you how much disruption it causes a

whole bunch, 750,000 staff, working in those organisations to have to

replan something that has been planned extremely carefully over a

long period of time. It is not just the disruption to patients that is

important, but also the fact that it disrupts what is already a service

that is really creaking at the edges in terms of the volume. You only get

that volume through by having slick processes that gets everybody where

they are meant to be at the right time. Do you understand how strongly

junior doctors feel? Yes, of course, but a couple of points. The

Government and NHS employers have made 73 concessions over the last...

They dismiss that and say it is semantics. Of course, junior doctors

have a vital role to play in the NHS. They do a really important

role, and any group of workers having their contracts change should

have the right to negotiate those changes. We have been at this for

three years, and I think as your introduction clearly pointed out,

the BMA themselves agreed a contract in May, having sat down and

discussed this for over two years. They said, yes, fine, this is the

contract we are prepared to accept. In the end, industrial disputes have

to be ended. You cannot carry on disrupting public services,

particularly one as important as the NHS. Finally, it is paid for by the

taxpayer and paid for by patients who are going to be seriously

inconvenienced by the strike. Chris Robson and Jeremy Taylor, thank you

both. How much strength does it take to

meet your son's Keller. We look at the real-life impact of what is

called restorative justice, with a victim and an offender.

When animal lover Laura Inglis moved to a small town

in southern Spain for work, she was heartbroken at the condition

Unable to leave them behind, she spent her life savings

to rescue 41 of the animals, shipping them from the Costa del Sol

back to her mother Norma's house in Edinburgh.

And this is Diablo, this means devil in Spanish.

Initially when I moved to Spain I saw the condition of some

of the street cats and couldn't stand by and do nothing.

When you told your mum there were going to be 41 cats

coming back to her house, what did she say?

I think she's so pleased to have me back and she's very,

very supportive, totally supportive, but I think she's always got my best

She knows how much I spend on the cats and how much

I've cashed in shares, I've cashed in endowments

on my house but money's not important when there's more

You must spend a fortune on cat food.

Plus on top of that, we've got vet bills and all the deworming.

We have about 25 or so in the garage.

All the pillows here that are on the beds here

so that they can all have them and it just keeps everything clean.

I'll go through four a day, so 40 litres per day.

So that's just for a day there?

But yeah, yeah, there are some that I will not part with.

What is it about cats that is so special that you love?

They just give you so much attention, so much affection

And do you mind putting your social life

To be honest, some of my cats, most of my cats, they're so good company,

when I'm feeling down, they cheer me up.

Yes, for each and every single one of them and they're

all Spanish cats - Espana.

So you're confident that you know all your cats that if I said

the name you could tell me what colour it says on the passport?

OK so if I said Precious, what would it say

Smarty's white - Smarty Pants.

Yes, now we'll have to see who is present and correct.

How many garage cats have we got in now then?

I can still go out in the evening when I want to.

Normally everything is finished by 8 o'clock in the evening.

I'm going out tomorrow evening on a date.

He saw me and recognised me and said, "crazy cat lady", yes.

So he recognised your picture from the local paper?

So you might find love because you've rescued the cats?

It will be nice, he's a nice person so we'll see, yes.

I feel like we should follow up on her dating prospects too!

Should victims of crime have the right to contact

We hear from a mother who met the man who killed her son?

We follow the conservationists helping to save the African

elephants as the first ever aerial survey revealed a dramatic

Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin

The doctors' union, the BMA, is blaming the government's decision

to impose new pay and working conditions on doctors.

The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, says he still wants to talk.

Chris Hopson from NHS providers told this programme it's hard to know

It is difficult to know because they are shorter strike, but on the other

hand, we have less time to prepare, so there will be a lot of work done

over the next few days to work out what the impact will be, but

particularly because it is a five-day strike, and at short

notice, there are clearly will be a significant impact.

The US presidential candidate, Donald Trump, has set

out a hard-hitting plan to curb illegal immigration.

He restated plans to build a border wall with Mexico,

hours after appearing to be conciliatory in a meeting

Addressing a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, the Republican candidate

insisted that Mexico would pay for its construction.

A 23-year-old man is still in police custody after a woman and young boy

were killed when a car that was being chased

Three girls were also injured in the crash in Penge in south east

People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

Until now, only people who watched programmes

as they were being broadcast needed to pay the annual fee.

Now viewers will be asked to confirm that they have a licence -

otherwise they risk prosecution and a ?1000 fine.

The UK manufacturing industry has swung to a 10-month high and beat

expectations as it rebounded from its slump

The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index for the sector rose to 53.3

in August from July's figure of 48.3.

A figure above 50 indicates the sector is expanding.

But there was also evidence that the weaker pound had pushed up company's

costs. That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11. Many of you getting in touch

regarding the doctors strike. One person on text says the doctors knew

what they were signing up to when they started the job, they should

stop whining. Peters says, the root of the problem is that Jeremy Hunt

did not consult with the doctors before implementing his so-called

reforms. Maybe if he had done so he would be much wiser. Another one

says Jeremy Hunt only consults with the doctors with preprepared

statements. He should be willing to be questioned face-to-face. This

person says they support the junior doctors for the Mary says the junior

doctors are concerned about patient care. It is not all about page, it

is common sense, she says. Will Perry's back now

with the sport headlines. The sports headlines

this morning: A massive, record braking ?1.165 billion spent

in the summer transfer window. One of the biggest deals on deadline

day saw David Luiz return to Chelsea for ?34 million

from Paris St Germain, 2 years Tottenham managed to convince

Moussa Sissoko to join them instead of Everton in the 11th hour

with the French international signing

for ?30 million from newcastle. British number 1 Johanna Konta

collapsed on court but recovered to win her 2nd round US Open match

against Tsvetana Pironkova Kyle Edmund's also

into the third round. And Chris Froome moved up to 2nd

place in the overall standings Froome won yesterday's stage 11,

beating Nairo Quintana Team GB's Olympians and Paralympians

may get a brand new shiny kit for each set of Games -

this year designed But not every athlete

at Rio can count on that. Some of the athletes representing

poorer countries have to provide their own -

and this can even prevent Alex Mitchell was volunteering

at London 2012 when he noticed athletes competing in poor quality

or badly fitting shoes and clothes, He founded a charity which has now

funded thousands of pounds worth of kit, and it's due to be flown out

to paralympians in Rio. Some of the kit found its way to the

Namibian team, as well. In a minute we can speak

to Michael Hamukwaya, the athletics coach for the Namibian Paralympic

team, who have received lots of kit from Alex,

but first a few questions. You were volunteering at London and

you spotted what? Myself and a few other volunteers spotted a couple of

Ivory Coast athletes, T 45 and T 46, who did not have the correct

sprinting spikes, and we thought for the cost of ?70 that was a bit

ridiculous and so we went out and we bought them for them. What did they

say? They were surprised, that someone wanted to give them

something for free, but when they and other Paralympians found out

there was a willingness to open up and ask for support and four anyway

in which we could help. How many did you help? About 60 Paralympic

athletes in 2012. That was coming out of your own pocket? My own

pocket and donations from the public and some of the other Games makers

who were the other volunteers at the time. You have now set up the

charity, how much have you raised? The money we have raised is

relatively small, we set up in 2013 and we went to Glasgow for the

Commonwealth Games. We have raised in the region of around ?5,000 total

but we have put in money myself, myself and my wife, we make sure any

donations on the public go directly to the athletes we support. What

made you want to support them? I'm not an athlete, although it is a

worry for the Paralympic games I have got power lifter on my

accreditation X --! But it seemed a bit ridiculous that a barrier to

basic kit like running shoes and swimming suits and powerlifting

suits, it was a barrier holding them back and we thought this was a way

we could level the playing field. Michael, you coach Namibian

Paralympians who have been helped by this charity, what support have you

had and what difference has it made? The project that he has been running

has made a difference for many, especially the Paralympic athletes.

Most of our Paralympic sports is still a new thing in Africa, and the

government is trying to push them. But as we say it is to a new thing

which is coming up in Africa and most resources are still not really

much invested in Paralympic sport. So when these guys get to the Games

they don't have all the conditions, even the training, when they are

doing it, they don't have these conditions, especially equipment,

and with Alex's help, what he is doing, it helps us a lot, and at

Namibian we have some kit, which we got from Glasgow, and when we went

back, when I showed Alex some of the pictures, some of them used to run

in running gear which was torn and not really very much and not very

good, especially when they come to race at these high level. When they

come to this highest level, they just come as they are and that is

always a disadvantage. Sorry to interrupt. Do you want to talk to

Alex to say thank you for the help you are outlining? Definitely. Alex,

we want to say thank you for the work you are doing, I note the help

you are -- I note the help you are giving to poor countries, it is

great, we hope it increases to give these guys a better opportunity to

compete with this equipment. It must make you proud. These are amazing

athletes, like the power lifter, it is amazing how much they can bench

press, and to give them a suit which costs ?70 to make, it is staggering

what difference this can make to an individual. There is a great

advertising campaign which is all about ability and that is what the

Paralympics is all about, these are athletes who are giving it their all

and pay sick kit should not be a barrier to it -- and basic kit

should not be a barrier to it. To both of you, thanks for joining us.

If you were a victim of crime would you be happy to meet

with the person who caused the harm to you?

Restorative justice brings together victims of crime

with the perpetrators of the offence.

Research shows it reduces reoffending by 14% and has an 85%

A committee of MPs have today said this should be a right

for all victims of crime, and something the government should

Let's talk now to Joan Scourfield, whose son James, a 28-year-old

trainee paramedic was killed in 2011 when he was assaulted

Jason, who also joins us this morning, punched James once

in the face which fractured his skull and caused a brain haemorrhage

He was sentenced to 30 months in jail for manslaughter,

The pair began the restorative justice programme not long

after Jacob was released from prison.

You are both with us this morning. Tell us more about your son James.

What was he like? Very much a family person, always at home for parties

and family events, he was very sporting and he loved adventure

sports, skiing, that kind of stuff, mountain bikes. He was a paramedic

as his career. He loved life, really. Your whole life changed when

you got that call to say what had happened. Yes. James was alive nine

days and it was a roller-coaster as to whether he would live or need

rehab but what would happen, really. What happened on the night he was

killed? They had been out to the cricket and they went for a few

drinks afterwards, they are in Nottingham town centre and they had

gathered themselves ready for a taxi home and they were chatting to

another group of lads. Jacob punched him once on the chin and that was

all. How did you feel about the person who had killed your son?

Jacob is sitting here. At that time you could not put a face to it, what

about your emotions? I wanted to know why he had done it, really.

When you first saw him in court, how did you feel? I was more wound up

with the sentence at that point and I thought my son's life was worth

more than that. 30 months? Yes, that is not really a deterrent. You were

angry? Yes, but more with the justice system than with Jacob,

because that is the justice system. If someone had said you you could

meet Jacob at that stage, what would you have said? We would not have

done it at that stage, not at all, but later on, victim support, they

were coming backwards and forwards, and we had unanswered questions, it

was nothing about meeting Jacob, it was just to get the questions

answered and to see what kind of character he was. Please tell you

what he might have done before but they don't tell you about his

character. -- the police tell you. What did you want to know? Whether

it was revenge, had James talked to a girl or knocked his pint over, to

find out why he had done it. You entered into the process, how did

that work? You put the questions forward through a third party? We

did not know anything about restorative justice and victim

support said there is a system but Jacob might not agree to it. We knew

it could have just been no thanks, but we had to take the chance. The

restorative justice team came to us and asked the questions are what we

wanted to be answered, and then they went off and went to see if Jacob

could answer our questions and help us with our grieving. Jacob, when

you first saw Joan and her husband David in court, how did you feel? At

that time I was frustrated and angry, who felt more sorry for

himself, than anybody else. I was more concerned about myself and my

family, trying to come to terms with what had happened and what I'd done.

What about the impact on your own life? When you had the contact after

you have been sentenced from the family, how did you feel? When I was

released from custody, I've said it before, others bore at risk of

committing an offence -- I was more at risk of committing an offence

because I had become or frustrated and I blamed myself and other people

and there was no space in custody for myself to reflect on what I'd

done and there was no one to challenge what I'd done and there

were others who shared the same criminal values that I did, and when

I came out of custody I was not in a good position and I did not have any

likelihood of employment. When David and Joan came forward and asked

those questions, that was a time when I really took a step back and

thought, there are people in this situation that have been harmed more

than I have and I had to face up to that. After some reflection I

decided the least I could do was to answer their questions and try and

move forward in a more positive way. And it led to the three if you

coming together. What was the first meeting like?

Nerve wracking for both of us. And sure it was hard for Jacob to come

to me, but it was still hard for us to see Jacob. How did you feel? I

had already gained a lot from the process, just through the mediation

and the letters. We were corresponding for two and a half

years before we got to the point where we felt comfortable to meet

each other face-to-face. You said you were harder -- you were sure it

was harder for Jacob. He killed your son. I know, but when you have done

something, it is hard to say sorry sometimes. And hard to forgive too.

Yes. Did you go to meet him feeling like you could forgive him? Although

Remedy were very good, they would tell us, not just the questions, but

how he felt. Everything was at our own pace. They said, you know you

can drop out at any time, even on the day of meeting. They would say,

Jacob is on the way but if you want to drop out, you can. I would also

say that I learnt a lot more from this restorative justice process

than I ever did in custody, and it was more difficult for me to walk

into that room knowing they were there than spending 15 months in

custody. For me, that was being able to hear first-hand how I had

impacted the family, and I couldn't hide away from that any more and put

it away to the back and not think about it. I was made to think about

it and take responsibility for what I had done. Then you are sat looking

at yourself, thinking, how can I become a better person and integrate

back into society? Would you credit the fact that you came together with

changing your life? This is the strange thing about it - although I

went to that meeting wanting to say sorry for what I had done, and I

knew that could never be enough - I also wanted to say thank you,

because if they did not have the courage to come forward and put

those questions to me, I would not be the person I am today. For you,

Joan... We asked Jacob questions and he answered in a letter, saying he

wanted to say sorry but it was not enough. We told him to try to keep

out of trouble and turn his life around, and he has more than done.

Credit to him. He says it is us, but... What is the relationship

between the two of you now? We don't have real contact, only e-mail. Or

if we are called for something like this. We're working on the One Punch

campaign. When you say you have e-mail contact, is it because you

want to know how he is getting on? Yes. As a mother, I was worried that

once probation stopped and everything went away in terms of

restorative justice, would he fall back? He has come a long way, but in

the early days you don't know, do you? Do you almost feel a sense of

responsibility to Joan and David? In a way, yes. We have got to a point

now where we both know that what we have said we mean. I believe I have

tried everything I can and I have done everything I can to try to

repair some of the harm. If you hadn't gone through this, where do

you think you would both be now in terms of your emotions and where

your lives would be? Probably still questioning and grieving, wondering

why he did it. Nobody else could really answer those questions. For

me, I would probably even be in and out of custody or just still an

angry young man wandering around with a load of issues he doesn't

know how to resolve. Great to talk to you both. Thank you very much.

Some breaking news to bring you on that crash in Penge in south London.

Kyle McCall at has been named as the ten-year-old who died.

It's long been suspected that Africa's elephant population has

been shrinking significantly, but now a figure has been put on it.

At least 144,000 - that's a third of the population -

have been killed in the past decade, according to the first ever

The Great Elephant Census, as it's called, took

two years to complete, and covered nearly half a million

kilometres of savannah in 18 countries.

The people behind the census make the following prediction:

At the current rate of poaching, half the elephants left in Africa

Botswana is home to more than 40 percent of the continent's

Our Africa correspondent, Alastair Leithead, is in Kenya.

The reason we have come to the orphanage is to draw

The reason we have seen this drop in elephant numbers is poaching.

Half the elephants we saw here were here because their mothers

were killed by poachers and they were left young.

They were brought up here and reintroduced into the wild

once they get to three and a half years old.

We were recently in Botswana where the research into the census

They have been flying across 18 African countries canting

They have been flying across 18 African countries counting

the elephants, and they tag elephants, they dart it,

The vet, Larry Patterson, prepared the tranquilliser dart

so that Elephants Without Borders could get the tracking

collar onto the elephant and follow its movements.

They selected a big bull who was making his way to one

It is Botswana's worst drought in 30 years,

countries mean that the elephants have come here, and there

Knowing how many there are and where they It is really

important in terms of helping to protect them.

The drugs took more than ten minutes to take effect.

They were worried the elephant would fall awkwardly

onto a tree stump, but he fell back on his haunches.

Once they were confident he was under, the team took out

the collar, the elephant's new accessory for the next three

years, and took it over to fasten it on.

He was still a little bit awake, so they had to work quickly in order

They had to keep his trunk open throughout so he could breathe

while under the influence of the drugs.

A weight is put under his chin to keep the GPS tracker

in position on his shoulders, so that it can see the satellite.

While he was under, they took the opportunity

Larry thought he was probably about 50 years old.

Given this year is Botswana's 50th anniversary year, the team

nicknamed their latest tracked elephant the local

It was a precarious operation, but it was all done pretty quickly.

And then it was just a matter of injecting the antidote

We watched nervously as he came to, and then got steadily back

on his feet - dazed, confused, but suitably accessorised to now

It's really important data they are gathering

Elephants used to cross over the borders of five African

countries and now they don't because they are smart

enough to realise there are dangers of poaching

The elephants we saw here this morning, cute as they might be,

are the real way of putting into reality the situation.

If poaching isn't stopped, at the current rate,

in nine years, half of Africa's elephants could be gone.

As we heard, Botswana is home to more than 40% of

Joining us now from our Bristol studio is Garth Hovell,

a safari guide who's worked in Botswana and has experience

How concerned are you about the future for elephants? Yellow might

very concerned. I think this survey shows as we have been lacking all

along concrete evidence of what our base line is. Now that we know that,

we know the urgency involved in trying to fix this problem and

protect them better. What is the best way to protect them? They need

space. They roam in large areas, especially during drought periods

they will congregate around water, which means they will destroy the

habitat they are in. The other part of that, which the censors didn't

cover, is that you lose your diversity, the animals that rely on

the forest that the elephants end up destroying. They need space. There

are charities like Space For Giants that are trying to secure space for

them. There is proposed national park that crosses the border is in

the area. It will encourage elephants to leave the sanctuary of

Botswana and go back into their traditional routes back into

countries like Angola, Zimbabwe, those sorts of places. It is

extraordinary, the rate at which they are declining. 30% of Africa's

elephants have disappeared in recent years. What is being done to stop