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It's one year since the shocking image of three-year-old Syria | :00:08. | :00:17. | |
refugee Aylan Kurdi, who drowned trying to cross to | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
Europe, knifed through the world's conscience and brought a clamour | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
His father thinks that momentum has been lost. | :00:24. | :00:31. | |
TRANSLATION: The tragedy at first made life much easier for poor | :00:32. | :00:39. | |
refugees. But after a while by God almighty there was nothing left, | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
nobody remembered Aylan, he had been forgotten, not even a whisper. | :00:44. | :00:50. | |
We'll speak to the actress Juliet Stevenson who's among | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
campaigners who want the UK to allow in hundreds more refugee children | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
Also today, patient groups warn of a catastrophic impact on safety | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
over junior doctors plans for a wave of strike action through the rest | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
And, she devoted her life to helping the sick and poor, | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
the legacy of the remarkable nun Mother Teresa who becomes | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
We'll be talking to those who knew her and a critic. | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
We're live until 11.00am this morning. | :01:19. | :01:32. | |
Lots coming up, have you an operation or procedure you fear | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
could be cancelled with the strike, do you work in the NHS and what do | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
you think of the planned walk out? Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria live | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
and if you text you will be charged Our top story today, | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
some of the country's most senior medical leaders have condemned | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
the series of strikes planned by junior doctors | :02:01. | :02:01. | |
in England as the row over A week-long walkout this month | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
will be followed by three more five-day strikes in October, | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
November and December. The Academy of Medical Royal College | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
says the proposed action is disproportionate, | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
as Keith Doyle reports. It's the worst industrial relations | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
dispute in the history of the NHS. With the BMA's announcement | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
of five-day strikes each month to the end of this year, | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
this is a rapidly escalating row. The strikes will now stretch | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
from 8am to 5pm from 12th Then in October from 5th to 7th | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
and the 10th to the 11th. Junior doctors will then walk out | :02:33. | :02:44. | |
again from 14th to 18th of November and from the 5th | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
to the 9th of December. The announcement came just a few | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
hours after Theresa May made clear she supports the contract | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
the government is imposing She accused the BMA of playing | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
politics and failing And now another significant | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
intervention from the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
made up of leaders of It says it is disappointed | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
at the prospect of further sustained industrial action at a time when | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
the NHS is under extreme pressure. While it acknowledged | :03:14. | :03:21. | |
there were genuine concerns among doctors, it says the proposed | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
strikes are not proportionate and will cause real problems | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
for patients and the profession. The BMA says the government | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
could stop the strikes by calling off the imposition of the contract, | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
which is due to begin in October. It says the contract | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
is still not fair for all. The NHS has scant resources to meet | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
this winter's increased demand. This year, to add to seasonal | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
illness and injury, it now faces the prospect of crippling | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
strike action also. He is the chief | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
executive of National Voices which represents charities | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
that support patients. How concerned are you about these | :03:58. | :04:10. | |
new strikes announced? Good morning. Well, our job is to look at things | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
from the point of view of patients and we are concerned about this huge | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
escalation in the industrial dispute and frustrated, given that a deal | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
was very close to being settled earlier in the summer. There is no | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
end in sight to these strikes. They will have an impact on patients. We | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
can't be sure exactly what the impact will be because it depends on | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
how well the NHS contingency planning is. But we are concerned | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
and we would like doctors to call off the strike and both sides to get | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
back around the negotiating table. When you are talking about impacts, | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
you don't know how much of an impact but presumably we are talking about | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
operations and routine procedures delayed? Operations will be | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
cancelled, appointments postponed, procedures postponed: What we can't | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
be sure about is the level of disruption. In the previous | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
stoppages when junior doctors walked out the rest of their colleagues, | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
including senior consultants and nurses and the rest of the | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
healthcare staff, rallied around in an effective way so disruption was | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
less than the worst case scenario that people had feared. So, we are | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
in slightly unchartered territory. It depends on how many doctors walk | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
out and what happens locally and how well hospital trusts plan around the | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
strike. Undoubtedly we can't be sure about the numbers but overall the | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
impact will be delay and disruption and cancellation of all kinds of | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
things and that will cause uncertainty and delay and disruption | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
and inconvenience to patients and their families. So, at a time when | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
the NHS is struggling just to get through a normal day, let alone days | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
when there are strikes. We don't think this is the best way to | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
resolve the dispute. If you are at home, you have a letter, you are | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
expecting a routine operation or a procedure to take place what should | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
you do now? Should you be contacting the NHS or will people get in touch | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
with you? Well, people should get in touch with patients but I think if | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
anybody is anxious and uncertain they probably should feel empowered | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
to get in touch themselves with the hospital, the doctors to find out | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
what the state of play is. I fear that for many people there will be a | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
degree of uncertainty, possibly right up until the last minute as | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
the hospitals try and plan around the strike and work out how many | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
people are going to be on strike. So get in touch and try and get | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
clarity. Often in these situations the worst thing for people is | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
uncertainty and anxiety around that, particularly if they've had to make | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
big domestic arrangements to work around the need to go into hospital | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
and to get relatives and friends involved in helping out. So it's | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
going to be disruptive. If people are concerned they should be in | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
touch with their local NHS to find out how it's going to affect them. | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
Thank you. And if you are going to be affected by that and you are | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
expecting a operation or appointment, do get in touch. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
Ben Brown is in the BBC newsroom with a summary | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
Campaigners say they've identified almost 400 children living | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
in the Calais jungle camp who are eligible to be | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
They're making the call on the death of the Syrian child Aylan Kurdi. | :07:16. | :07:31. | |
They are the most vulnerable in the migrant crisis, | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
children enduring the hardest of journeys, many doing so alone. | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
Some have ended up here, the so-called Jungle | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
Of the 7,000 refugees living in the camp, Citizen UK says 800 | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
Almost half, it says, are eligible to move to Britain. | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
Some because they have family already in the UK, others | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
because of new immigration rules called the Dubs amendment designed | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
Later today, faith leaders, council chiefs and celebrities | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
will hand a list of names to the Home Office with a call | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
We're saying to the government, we are prepared to help you. | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
We're not protesting you haven't done enough, although you haven't, | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
we are saying to our own government that it's not that we're blaming | :08:13. | :08:23. | |
What we are saying is that we want to help you if you can't do this | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
The situation in Calais is very much on Amber Rudd's agenda. | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
The Home Secretary earlier this week promising to step up | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
moves to improve things after meeting her | :08:34. | :08:34. | |
The Home Office says it's already agreed to take | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
But they point out they need local authorities to agree to care | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
for children once they're in Britain. | :08:47. | :08:47. | |
A 23-year-old man has been charged in connection with the deaths | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
of a boy and his aunt, who were hit by a car being chased | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
by police in south-east London on Wednesday. | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
Makayah McDermott and Rosie Cooper were walking along a road | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
Joshua Dobby, of no fixed abode, is due to appear before | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
Bromley Magistrates today to face two counts of death | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
A state of emergency has been declared in Florida | :09:10. | :09:18. | |
Schools and government offices have been closed and thousands | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
It's the first hurricane to hit Florida in 11 years. | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
Our North America correspondent, Laura Bicker reports | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
The eye of Hurricane Hermeen has hit the North West | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
They are saying in places around 80 mph winds. | :09:39. | :09:46. | |
As you can see, one of the things they are worried about is the heavy | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
rain with the heavy winds coupled with a high tide. | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
We are 50 miles away from the Gulf Coast and we can | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
already see the strengthening winds and this heavy rain. | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
It could be about eight feet of water hitting the coast | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
and they are worried about coastal flooding. | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
People living along those areas have been warned to either stay indoors | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
There are around 20 shelters set up to make sure people have | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
Around 8,000 members of the National Guard, | :10:23. | :10:36. | |
The fear is there will be in need of people to try and clear up | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
The governor Rick Scott has declared a state of emergency and he also | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
says this is a potentially life-threatening storm. | :10:46. | :10:47. | |
People are being warned not to go out and about because they say that | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
perhaps they can fix your property but they can't go out | :10:55. | :10:56. | |
The last time a hurricane hit the coast of Florida was in 2005, | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
And it was around $24 billion worth of damage. | :11:03. | :11:13. | |
Already tens of thousands of homes have lost power in that | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
People have their fingers crossed that in the next two | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
hours as the storm passes through the damage will not be | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
A man has been charged with murder after the death of a banker | :11:25. | :11:34. | |
feared to have been killed by a single punch. | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
Oliver Dearlove died after allegedly being hit by a man while waiting | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
for a taxi on a night out in Blackheath in south-east | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
A post-mortem examination gave the provisional cause | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
Melania Trump, the wife of the Republican presidential | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
candidate Donald Trump, is suing the Daily Mail online | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
for libel saying the newspaper alleged that she was an escort | :11:57. | :11:58. | |
Her lawyer says such claims are 100% false. | :11:59. | :12:13. | |
The Mail Online has retracted any suggestion the | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
A study of the Zika virus spread says more than two | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
and a half billion people live in areas that may be | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
Africa and Asia are said to be most at risk. | :12:22. | :12:29. | |
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will today launch a fresh | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
attempt to convince Scots to back independence, when she addresses SNP | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
She'll urge them to start a national conversation about how the party | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
can strengthen its case for an independent Scotland | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
in the wake of the UK's vote to leave the European Union. | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
New pictures have emerged of the moment a rocket belonging | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
to the private company Space X exploded on its launch pad. | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
The blast happened yesterday at Cape Canaveral in | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
It shook buildings several kilometres away but SpaceX | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
The action movie star Jackie Chan is getting an honorary Oscar | :13:07. | :13:14. | |
for his extraordinary achievements in film. | :13:15. | :13:15. | |
Chan, who's 62, has starred in dozens of martial arts films | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
He went on to huge international success with hits including | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
the Rush Hour franchise, Shanghai Noon, The Karate Kid, and | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
Let's get the sport now, and Will Perry is at | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
More success for Britain's men at the US Open in New York, I hear, | :13:39. | :13:47. | |
but Andy Murray found it tricky to play under the roof there. | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
This is interesting. If you haven't seen the scores as it were, Andy | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
Murray and Dan Evans into the third round of the US Open, the first time | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
since 1968 they've had three Brits into that stage of the US Open. | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
Murray not happy because he was playing yesterday and the scoreline | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
was comfortable in the end. It was under the new roof at the Arthur | :14:11. | :14:19. | |
Ashe stadium. $150 million for that roof. It was raining torrentialally | :14:20. | :14:27. | |
yesterday and at times Murray said it was like wearing headphones, he | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
couldn't hear the ball. It's interesting to think at that level | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
you need to news that sense to have your full game. It didn't seem to | :14:36. | :14:43. | |
bother him too much. He was a winner. Dan Evans won in four sets | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
to reach the third round for the first time in three years and Evans | :14:51. | :14:59. | |
will take on the Swiss Stan Wawrinka. Let's talk cricket. | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
England doing so well in the one-day series against Pakistan. Explain why | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
it's different to the Test series, why do they struggle in Test series? | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
You have a different set of players. There are a few that play Test and | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
one-day but there is a different set that come in for the one-day. This | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
is a massive turnaround for this team who were struggling a few years | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
ago. Trevor Bayliss took over after the embarrassing World Cup in 2015 | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
and Eoin Morgan, the captain, has had a turnaround, as well. He was | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
criticised last year and asked to step down by sections of the media | :15:35. | :15:44. | |
and ex-players. People in there like Morgan, Hales, they're breaking | :15:45. | :15:53. | |
records. Chris Woakes. They set a highest one-day score of all time. | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
Yesterday comfortable, a 4-0 they lead that series with one to play. | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
They've the champions trophy in 2017 which is in England and Wales, as is | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
the ICC World Cup in 2019. There was a good feeling around the | :16:09. | :16:23. | |
camp at the moment with Trevor Bayliss. I can see Laura Muir is | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
done so well. Presumably she is now focusing on the World Championships? | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
Yes, she won that Diamond league title last well in zero finishing | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
second and interestingly, the woman she beat the title, from Kenya, she | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
won gold at the Olympics and Laura Muir finished seventh, but she's 23, | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
still a huge career ahead of her and she will go into those World | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
Championships in London next year in a really, really good place. Thank | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
you. Speak to you in half an hour. People are getting in touch with us. | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
We had a text message from Phil, save the NHS by fide strikes? Are | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
they mad? They are playing politics with people's lives. Carol says, no | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
one knows how hard it is for junior doctors unless you've worked with | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
them. I'm a retired nurse and I support the junior doctors. Paul | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
e-mailed to say, increasingly the strike will be a PR battle for the | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
support of public opinion and this is what they've always worried | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
about, as long as the strike goes on, will they lose public opinion? | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
They were the images that caused global headlines but one year | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
on from the death of Alan Kurdi, how much change has there been | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
Alan was the three year old Syrian child, pictured faced down | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
in the sand on a Turkish beach, after the boat he and his family | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
were in sank as they tried to reach Greece, fleeing civil war in Syria. | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
Many of you will remember the image we're about to show, | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
it is particularly distressing and if you have small children | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
At the time it was this photo of Alan's lifeless body lying face | :18:02. | :18:12. | |
down on the beach, that made the world focus | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
The then Prime Minister David Cameron promised to give sanctuary | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
to 20,000 Syrian refugees, then later said the UK would become | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
But what has happened to that pledge, now Theresa May | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
Alan's Kurdi's father, who survived the disaster, | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
has been speaking to the the BBC's Fergal Keane. | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
When I spoke to you a year ago you hoped the death of your children | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
might change the way the world treats refugees. | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
Are you disappointed by what has happened since? | :18:50. | :18:57. | |
TRANSLATION: By God Almighty at first the presidents were excited | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
What are the memories of the boys that come back to you? | :19:01. | :19:11. | |
TRANSLATION: I swear by God Almighty this morning and every | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
Today I felt they were visiting me and hugging me. | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
It is important to remember them as individuals. | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
And not just statistics in the refugee tragedy. | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
TRANSLATION: The tragedy at first made life much easier for poor | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
refugees but after a while, by God Almighty, there | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
By the way there is something I have to tell you, a lot of people | :19:37. | :19:46. | |
On this anniversary what is your message to the leaders of Europe? | :19:47. | :19:56. | |
To those who can help bring this refugee crisis to an end. | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
TRANSLATION: The question is for them to help | :20:04. | :20:04. | |
the needy refugees but the situation is very dire. | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
I swear by God Almighty it makes you cry. | :20:10. | :20:23. | |
In a moment we'll speak to Juliet Stevenson and we'll talk about the | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
campaign she's been involved with to get more children over to the UK and | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
she's even visited the Calais jungle, as it's known. We are going | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
to cross over now to hear from Boris Johnson. The Foreign Secretary is | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
about to meet EU foreign ministers, but he is stopping off in Austria on | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
the way and is speaking in Vienna. Whatever our relationship with the | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
European Union, I was very clear and the minister also understands | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
clearly, we are not leaving Europe. We are leaving the European Union. | :20:58. | :21:05. | |
We do want a strong European Union but we also want a strong united | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
kingdom and I think we share a vision for a strong, a new European | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
partnership between the UK and the European Union and ever closer | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
relations with Britain and Austria. I'm the proud possessor of a cowbell | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
given to me by Topol Meyer, I'm proud to say, because they built a | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
wonderful cable car in London with European Union funds. It was an | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
Austrian investment in London, and we are very, very grateful for that | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
I also want to take the chance to congratulate the Minister on his | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
30th birthday. Many happy returns. Thank you very much, everybody. That | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
was Boris Johnson speaking in Vienna talking more about cowbells and 30th | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
birthday celebrations than Brexit, that he will be meeting EU foreign | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
ministers later on today and hopefully we will get more on that | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
later but Juliet Stevenson, the actors and campaign is with me to | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
talk about those dreadful images we all saw a year ago of Alan Kurdi. | :22:10. | :22:18. | |
It's difficult to not look at those pictures and not be moved but you | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
think it changed anything? We heard it's a cliche, a game changer, it's | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
going to change the way we deal with a migrant crisis. I think it did for | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
a while. That picture moved millions of people all over the world and | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
charities who do with refugees said it was extraordinary for a while, | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
websites spiked up to many thousands of hits a day, and there was a big | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
response to the image of that little boy 's body, but it did not last. | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
Many, many hundreds of children have died since he died, in this last | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
year, and still a crisis goes on, and we're not really meeting our | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
responsibilities to help them. Let's talk about those responsibilities. | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
You've been to the jungle in Calais, and many unaccompanied children | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
there. Tell us about the conversations you had. Yes, I've | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
been several times, six weeks ago I went and interviewed a whole group | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
of small boys between eight and 14 years old, Syrian and Afghan, and | :23:13. | :23:20. | |
I've never seen children in despair. I've seen my own kids angry and | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
frightened or upset, but never children in despair and it's | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
incredibly shocking. Many of those children have now been living in | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
this muddy field without their parents and proper food or education | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
or play spaces, or protection for nine months for that they've had a | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
winter and they are facing another winter if we don't do something | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
about it. We have a very proud tradition in this country, don't we? | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
We brought 10,000 Jewish refugee children over and we are rightly | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
proud of that tradition. These are war victims too. We really need to | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
be able to offer humanitarian help them as long as these crises last | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
and then hopefully they can home again. I want to bring in Muhammad, | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
15 years old, a child refugee from the Syrian war. And also Tim Farron, | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
as well, the leader of the Liberal Democrats. I want to speak to | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
Muhammad. We are hoping to speak to him on Skype but a few technical | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
problems. Muhammad, tell me what happened to you and your journey | :24:27. | :24:37. | |
from Syria. Hello. Our journey from Syria to Germany wasn't that much | :24:38. | :24:45. | |
difficult. We crossed the border, in one night, on the Dutch border and | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
we stayed in a refugee camp. About three months it took us. You came | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
with your mother, you have lost contact with your father? Yes, we | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
lost contact with my dad for three years, he was kidnapped by Isis. I | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
came with my mother and might two sisters. -- my two sisters. It's | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
awful to imagine what you've been through at just 15 years of age. You | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
have no idea what happened to your dad? You haven't had any word? | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
Actually, like a lot of people, we've heard that his dad but someone | :25:32. | :25:40. | |
told my mother he is alive but we're not about it. Is he alive or is he | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
dead? How difficult is that for you to deal with whilst you're trying to | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
rebuild a new life with your mother and sisters? Well, it's a big | :25:52. | :26:04. | |
responsibility. I have to take care of them. Life in Germany is not that | :26:05. | :26:18. | |
difficult, for the refugees who came for one or two years, something like | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
that. Have you made friends at school? Have you settled in in | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
Germany? German people are very welcoming and very nice people and, | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
yeah, I'm now at school and I've made a lot of friends. They are | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
really nice people here. They never hated anyone. Muhammad, it's great | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
to hear that. Juliet is smiling there is some good stories coming | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
out of this. Is that the kind of example of what you want to see here | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
in the UK of a young person from Syria being given an opportunity to | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
have a new life? Yes, absolutely, and the fact of the UK hasn't | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
stepped up and provided that opportunity to people like Mohammed, | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
has got so much to give, and such a terrible place to escape from, to | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
give him opportunities which is in Germany's favour, enhances Germany's | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
standing in the world, let's be honest, provide great new talent for | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
the country and we turn our backs. Listening to Alan Kurdi's father, | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
brings back the heartbreak for me again. I have been to the jungle | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
myself and been to some of the camps in Greece and met many of those | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
young people in desperate circumstances that Juliet talks | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
about. And I do think that photograph of Alan Kurdi's body on | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
the beach was hugely powerful. I remember not being able to look at | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
it myself and it being one of the most moving things I've ever seen. I | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
remember sending a message to the independent editor who publish that | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
photograph and just saying, you've done a really powerful thing here. | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
Because I think what did happen is that it took people's mind off a | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
story that was being peddled by some that the refugee crisis was all | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
about dreadful economic migrants trying to take advantage of | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
civilised society in the West. It made people realise what this is | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
really about, innocent, desperate families taking unspeakable risks | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
because the bigger risk was to stay put. That picture changed a lot, | :28:27. | :28:34. | |
but, sadly, a year ago, David Cameron was planning to take no | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
refugees from the crisis area and after he did that, he pledged, by a | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
lot of pressure from others, to take up to 20,000. He has taken, this | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
government now, has taken barely 1012 months and it seems to me we | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
have a government under Theresa May now, and David Cameron in the past, | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
desperate to do the minimum to help these desperate people to assuage | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
public opinion. That's why we need to keep up the pressure. Before we | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
talk about those numbers. Juliet, I'm interested it to get your | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
thoughts, living in a world of social media, you go through | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
Twitter, there's so many disturbing images all the time, we are | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
bombarded with from Aleppo and Syria. Do you think there's a danger | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
we become desensitised and an image, if had seen an image of Alan Kurdi | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
ten years ago, it would have stayed with people more than in the age we | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
live in? That's a real danger, yes, I do. What happens is this | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
conversation about refugees get appropriated all the time. Ordinary | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
people saw that image one year ago and we profoundly moved. People who | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
had kids and those who didn't wanted to do something with the | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
conversation gets appropriated into politics. If you are a kid living in | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
Calais, desperate, without parents, no education, hungry, it doesn't | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
help you you're being used as a political pawn. 178 of those | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
children in Calais have a legal right to be in the UK because they | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
have close family here. Under EU law they are entitled to be reunited | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
with their family and after the memorial for Alan Kurdi, we are | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
going to hand in a letter to Amber Rudd to say please bring 387 | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
children, tiny number, in Calais, who have the legal right to be here, | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
some of them about half, because I have close family there, and the | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
other because they have been identified as extremely vulnerable, | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
and, under the amendment to the immigration bill that David Cameron | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
past, they need to be here. The government said this is going to be | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
the responsibility of local councils and so on, but many councils have | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
said they are willing to do that, and actually a lot of cancers have | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
been to Calais recently, last week, and very ready to do that but we | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
need the Home Office now to give it the green light, the support of the | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
government to recognise that desperate plight of this children, | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
and we must add up to our responsibilities. We will be very | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
ashamed of ourselves if we don't. Looking back at this period, will be | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
really ashamed of ourselves if history says these children were | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
suffering in these numbers to this extent and we did nothing as the | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
country. I don't think people want to be in a country that has that | :31:20. | :31:20. | |
reputation. Since the Brexit vote immigration | :31:21. | :31:29. | |
has been such a huge issue here in the UK. Karen on Facebook says we | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
have enough room, where is the humanity? Stop blaming this father, | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
he was looking for a better future, we don't know the half of it. The | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
world is to blame. However, John says three simple words, we are | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
full. What is we are full mean? These are children who already have | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
families in the UK. There is a bed waiting for these children in | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
somebody's home somewhere. They are legally entitled to be here. We are | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
not... People are worried about immigration and I can understand | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
that. I really, really do. But it's important to remember it's | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
completely different talking about the free movement of people inside | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
Europe which was a big issue in Brexit and that was one concern | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
which I respect, but there is a completely different issue to | :32:14. | :32:15. | |
children and families fleeing barrel bombs and gas and death in places | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
like Syria or Isis in Afghanistan. Those are two different categories | :32:22. | :32:23. | |
and what happens unfortunately is the whole thing gets lumped together | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
as immigration. But seeking sanctuary is an international legal | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
right and these are very, very tiny numbers. The movements of people | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
inside the EU which was the Brexit sort of preoccupation is a | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
completely different subject. We are not talking about that this morning. | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
Lots of people do confuse the issue together with immigration. They do. | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
I want to bring Mohammed back in who I am hoping is still on the phone, | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
from Germany, he is 15 and is settled in Germany. Do you think | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
that image of Aylan that we are talking about that was released a | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
year ago today, do you think that made politicians in Germany change | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
their mind s that why you feel you have a home now in Germany? Well, | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
actually the image, yeah, actually it made in the first month it made | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
like people start to say we have to help them like that. After that they | :33:25. | :33:33. | |
stopped like even thinking about the photo and like people start to don't | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
care. If they want really to help they can maybe just help like take | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
helping what is happening now in Syria, taking out what is happening | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
now in Syria by Isis and yeah, criminals. Thank you so much for | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
speaking to us from Germany. Thank you for coming in, Juliet and also | :33:57. | :33:58. | |
to Tim Farron. After a lifetime with the poor, | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
Mother Teresa speeds to sainthood. Affectionately called | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
the saint of the gutters, Mother Teresa of Calcutta will be | :34:09. | :34:09. | |
officially a saint of In a couple of minutes' time, | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
we'll speak to those Southern Rail have just announced | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
profits of ?100 million - If you're a regular | :34:16. | :34:28. | |
passenger on their services Get in touch with us - | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
hashtag victoria live Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
with a summary of today's news. Some of the country's most senior | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
medical leaders have condemned the series of strikes planned | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
by junior doctors in England, as the row over a new | :34:43. | :34:44. | |
contract intensifies. A week of strikes this month will be | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
followed by three more five-day walkouts in October, | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
November and December. The Academy of Medical Royal | :34:54. | :34:55. | |
Colleges says the proposed action A 23-year-old man has been charged | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
in connection with the deaths of a boy and his aunt, | :34:58. | :35:07. | |
who were hit by a car being chased by police in south-east | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
London on Wednesday. Makayah McDermott and Rosie Cooper | :35:12. | :35:12. | |
were walking along a road Joshua Dobby, of no fixed abode, | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
is due to appear before Bromley Magistrates today to face | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
two counts of death A state of emergency has | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
been declared in Florida Schools and government offices have | :35:22. | :35:37. | |
been closed and thousands It's the first hurricane to hit | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
Florida in 11 years. The electronics company Samsung | :35:41. | :35:48. | |
is expected to announce a recall of some of its mobile phones, | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
after reports of the devices The global recall is of | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
the Galaxy Note 7 smartphone. Reports suggest Samsung intends | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
to replace the batteries in these It's also temporarily halting sales | :35:57. | :36:10. | |
of the phone. More from me at the top of the hour. | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
Now the sport. The headlines: For the first time | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
since 1968 there are three British men in the third round of the US | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
Open. Dan Evans secured one of the biggest wins of his career: Andy | :36:26. | :36:34. | |
Murray said it was like playing in headphones, so loud was the sound of | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
torrential rain on the new stadium roof. It didn't stop him from | :36:40. | :36:48. | |
winning in straight sets. Half-centuries from Ben Stokes and | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
Johnny Bairstow led England to a victory and a 4-0 lead in that | :36:55. | :37:03. | |
series. Laura Muir won the 1500 metres diamond league title. She | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
becomes the third British woman to win a diamond league title and says | :37:07. | :37:16. | |
there is little for her to improve ahead of the championships. | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
Counter-terrorism police have launched an investigation | :37:23. | :37:23. | |
into an internet troll claiming to be a Jeremy Corbyn supporter, | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
who said on Facebook that a Jewish female Labour MP should be hanged. | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
Ruth Smeeth is now receiving special protection from police. | :37:30. | :37:31. | |
First of all, Ruth, tell us more about this. What threats have you | :37:32. | :37:42. | |
received? Since the end of June I have received somewhere in the | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
region of 25,000 pieces of abuse, I got 20,000 pieces of abuse within 12 | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
hours. Once it starts on social media it keeps going. Most of it was | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
on social media, most of it was on Twitter. A great deal on Facebook | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
and calls to my office and e-mails. This was one of the worst, not The | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
Worst, but one of the worst that was quite clear and was passed over to | :38:11. | :38:17. | |
the counterterrorism team by parliamentary state this year, a | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
matter of weeks ago. It's vile. It's disgusting. And it's done in the | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
name of the leader of the Labour Party which makes it even worse. I | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
know that Jeremy Corbyn will condemn this but it's not about condemning, | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
it's what people are doing in his name and what is now seemingly | :38:33. | :38:40. | |
acceptable. Do you feel in danger? I think, look, the reality is we are | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
still a matter of weeks since Jo Cox was brutally murdered, any MP, not | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
least those of us that only got elected for the first time last | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
year, we are still doing everything at once, we are still trying to find | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
our feet and make sure we are representing our constituents to the | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
best of our abilities. Of course there have been moments of concern | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
and fear. The additional security, but it's | :39:03. | :39:17. | |
not about me. It's about what it means for friends and family and not | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
least my team and my staff, they're the ones that see all the abuse | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
first. They're the ones that have to deal with it and it's unacceptable. | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
I got elected, I put myself out there. I am honoured and privileged | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
to be representing my constituents, fighting for them. To suggest that | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
this has become normal now, that this level of abuse is acceptable, | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
it just simply can't be. Who else would want to get elected? Why would | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
anyone want to put themselves in this position and their families? | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
It's why we have to clamp down on it, it's not about me, it's about | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
everyone else that is elected or wants to be elected. Just give us | :39:55. | :40:02. | |
the background here, a little bit about the launch for the Labour | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
anti-Semitism review, remind us of that background. There was an | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
anti-Semitism review that was launched on 30th June earlier this | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
year. It had some significant findings in it. Unfortunately, the | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
launch event turned into an absolute farce where I was abused by, not | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
just someone in the audience who felt it was appropriate to attack me | :40:30. | :40:38. | |
and accuse me of being in cahoots with the media and also members of | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
the audience. At that point I walked out, I made no public statement and | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
walked out, that what led to this level of abuse. I turned the other | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
cheek and walked away. After that moment the world's gone crazy. It | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
shouldn't be that MPs like myself, like other Jewish MPs or female MPs, | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
and it has been women who have taken a brunt from this, should have to | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
ignore it. Jeremy Corbyn was clear, apparently, that while he condemned | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
it, we should ignore the abuse. Threats detailing how someone wants | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
to hang me and what they want to do to me, that's not something that I | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
nor the police can ignore. On that I want to say how amazing the police | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
have been. They've given an extraordinary service that they - to | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
me and to any of my constituents and for that I am very grateful. Let's | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
remind people of what you were talking about there when you were | :41:33. | :41:39. | |
heckled at that conference by a pro-Corbyn activist. He stood up and | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
accused you of colluding with the Telegraph newspaper. We have a short | :41:45. | :41:55. | |
clip of that. How dare you! The Labour Party has | :41:56. | :42:07. | |
to change in terms of representation, including Spads... | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
You mentioned Jo Cox and the murder of Jo Cox and the concerns you have. | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
Presumably for your family and friends it's a worrying time, as | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
well. It is and it's much more about them than me. I mean, the impact on | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
my mum and all the people that care about me, I have been touched by the | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
amount of support and solidarity from colleagues and friends but they | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
shouldn't have to think about these things and definitely shouldn't have | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
to see these things written about me in print. This is not an easy time | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
for anybody. And emotions are heightened because of the leadership | :42:43. | :42:44. | |
election within my own party. But that isn't an excuse. Politicians | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
and all people are getting bullied and harassed on social media. What I | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
need is for the leader of my party, the leader of the opposition to make | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
it clear what can be done. One of the things he could personally do, | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
this is being done in his name, not by him but in his name, he should be | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
naming and shaming some of the worst perpetrators doing it in his name | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
and making it clear publicly that they do not speak for him. That this | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
is unacceptable. It's not just enough that the wonderful staff at | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
the Labour Party expel people and the police have to deal with it, | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
there is a vile amount of racism and intolerance and abuse online which | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
then feeds on to our streets and leads to a culture of intolerance. | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
He could actually personally do something about, that's what I am | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
asking him to do. We have had a statement. I will read this to you. | :43:39. | :43:47. | |
The No abuse is carried out in Jeremy's name and no one responsible | :43:48. | :43:54. | |
for abuse is a genuine supporter of Jeremy's. This is why Jeremy | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
launched respect and unity, a code of conduct calling on members and | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
supporters to conduct themselves with a high standard of behaviour. | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
All evidence of abuse should be reported to both the party and to | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
the police so that action may be taken against the individuals | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
responsible. Also, the Labour Party has given us | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
a statement saying the Labour Party fully supports the work of the | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
police in ensuring the safety and protection of all MPs and their | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
staff. Threatening behaviour will not be tolerated within the party | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
and we urge anyone receiving any abuse to contact the party and where | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
relevant the police. We will do all we can to support Ruth and her staff | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
during this time. Ruth, thank you for joining us this morning and | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
telling us about that experience of yours. | :44:38. | :44:44. | |
Coming up Southern Ray have announced profits of 100 million, | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
despite widespread misery for commuters. We want to hear from you, | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
are you a regular passenger, what do you think? Do get in touch. | :44:53. | :45:01. | |
Mother Teresa, the Roman Catholic nun who worked with the poor | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
in the Indian city of Kolkata is to be declared a saint on Sunday. | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
She died in 1997 at the age of 87, and was beatified - | :45:08. | :45:10. | |
the first step on the road to sainthood in 2003. | :45:11. | :45:12. | |
In a moment we'll be talking to those who knew her, | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
and those who are critical of the Vatican's decision | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
to make her a saint, but first let's take a look at some | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
prominent moments from her remarkable life. | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
Mother Teressa was a Roman Catholic nun accredited for her work | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
with the poor in the slums of the Indian city | :45:29. | :45:30. | |
Her order, the Missionaries of Charity, was set up | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
in 1950 and now operates in over 100 countries. | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
Now we are in 105 countries and we are 500 convents around | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
And what is very beautiful, many people thank me for giving them | :45:46. | :45:55. | |
It has helped so many people who have never had a chance to do | :45:56. | :46:04. | |
And through us they are getting a reward in the work so much. | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
Mother Teresa has received multiple honours including an order | :46:12. | :46:13. | |
of merit from the Queen, and in 1979 Nobel Peace Prize, | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
although she asked that the ceremonial banquet be cancelled | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
and the proceeds be given to the poor. | :46:23. | :46:24. | |
Her opposition to contraception and abortion but her at odds | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
She has been credited with two miracles, both involving | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
The first was a Bengali tribal woman who was cured from a stomach tumour. | :46:33. | :46:40. | |
The second was a Brazilian man with several brain tumours. | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
He put his dramatic recovery down to prayers offered to the nun | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
She will be officially named as a saint by Pope Francis on Sunday. | :46:48. | :46:56. | |
I'm joined now by Dr Priya Virmani who grew up | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
with Mother Teresa in Kolkata, Father Brian Kolodiejchuk | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
who was instrumental in the decision to make her a Saint and journalist | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
Paul Vallely who says she has been given the honour too soon. | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
Thank you for coming in. How old were you when you first met mother | :47:10. | :47:18. | |
Teresa? I was very little. I remember her before I even began | :47:19. | :47:26. | |
school. I would go to her orphanage, children's home, in Calcutta, and I | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
was too young so I would play with children but as I grew up, I began | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
volunteering as well. What was she like because people obviously have a | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
view of her as the person who did all of the good work, but on a human | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
level, what was she like? Personally, for me, she was an | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
extension of my family. She was the most compassionate, the most loving, | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
the most cheerful and funny granny I could ever have had. Or ever | :47:58. | :48:05. | |
imagined. I was always struck by how she met people irrespective of who | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
the person was, whether it was a beggar from the streets, a VIP, | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
journalist or even one of her fiercest critics, she always met | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
them with untempered compassion. Her face would light up of kindness and | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
her wrinkles would be radiant with her kindness, and her aura was one | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
of unconditional love, really, to receive or to feel and energy of | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
unconditional love from someone, who was not from your immediate family, | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
it is quite exceptional. Paul, you think that becoming a saint, as she | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
will on Sunday, is a bit too soon. Explain why. I'm not a critic of | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
mother to raise a full spyware went to one of their camps and Ethiopian | :48:53. | :48:55. | |
when I covered the famine and it was a place of extraordinary calm and | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
peace and serenity. I'm not critical of her, but critical of the Vatican. | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
Until recently, you had to have at least a 200 year gap between dying | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
and being made a saint and what that gap allowed was for your, the Church | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
calls her relic of virtue, your towering qualities, to overshadow | :49:19. | :49:28. | |
all the floors of your personality, and it was a process where people | :49:29. | :49:31. | |
were honoured by the passage of time. What has happened two Popas | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
ago, the system was changed and, instead of having a minimum of 50 | :49:39. | :49:44. | |
years as a gap between the beatification and canonisation, it | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
was speeded up, fast tracked saint had introduced. What that does is | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
allow controversy into canonisation so there are a lot of critics of | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
mother to who say their homes concentrated on the care of a dying | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
rather than the cure of the living, and that she was in love with | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
poverty rather than the poor, and that she rubbed shoulders with rich | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
people, dodgy politicians, fraudsters, to get money off them | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
and didn't keep proper accounts. These accusations have been made | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
about her and I think there would be far better for the church if time | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
allowed those to fade and yours made a saint in 100 years rather than on | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
Sunday. Do you think any of those criticisms are justified because she | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
was, of course, against abortion, she did meet Saddam Hussein, got | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
money from Robert Maxwell. She rubbed shoulders with some people | :50:41. | :50:49. | |
who were unsavoury characters. I think it's very important to | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
contextualise the criticism that she is given for firstly, when you talk | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
about her homes which look after those who are dying, her point was | :50:59. | :51:04. | |
to lift people who were dying absolutely unloved with no dig the | :51:05. | :51:11. | |
tea at all on the streets, -- dignity, and I walk on the city | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
streets of Calcutta would prove that's happening today. She provided | :51:16. | :51:21. | |
them with basic care and a basic sense of dignity in death, and not | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
with 5-star hospital treatment, so that puts that aspect into context. | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
When you look at the fact she rubbed shoulders with the rich and the | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
famous, she did that in a very annoying way and often said, and she | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
wrote to President George Bush and Saddam Hussein in 1991, when the war | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
happened, saying, I appeal to you for peace. She did say, if people | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
were to come to her with their money, irrespective of how ill | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
begotten that money was, she felt that gave it a channel to allow that | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
money to then be used for more compassionate and good causes, she | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
was compassionate to the point of naivete, and she ran the risk of | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
being criticised because she was compassionate without exception. Did | :52:13. | :52:19. | |
you challenge her on her anti-abortion stance, for example? I | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
did not. I was a teenager and quite young when she passed away. But I do | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
understand that her stance on abortion came from her fundamental | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
religious conditioning and she did not make it a problem whereas we | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
understand it's important to look at the concept of abortion and see how | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
it intersects with other social economic factors, factors of gender, | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
a woman's choice over her body, whereas she took an entirely | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
overarching compassionate stance where she said all life is sacred | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
including that of a foetus. Paul, you've talked about the time as an | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
issue for you, but do you think she should be made a saint? She could | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
possibly be made a saint in 100 years' time, without any of this | :53:08. | :53:13. | |
controversy, and my concern is that this kind of controversy discredits | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
the Catholic canonisation process in the eyes of the wider world. I think | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
it would have been sensible and prudent to have waited a bit longer. | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
Thank you very much indeed for coming into the studio. | :53:29. | :53:31. | |
Do you have surgery planned this autumn? | :53:32. | :53:33. | |
Are you worried that your operation will be cancelled because | :53:34. | :53:35. | |
of the junior doctors' plans for strike action? | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
Hashtag victorialive or text us on 61124. | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
We'll be discussing that around 10am. | :53:42. | :53:50. | |
A ?20 million fund and a new review board has been unveiled in a bid | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
to improve Southern rail services and 'get to grips' with | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
Its profits have soared to ?99.8 million, a rise of 27%. | :53:57. | :54:05. | |
The government action comes after months of disruption, | :54:06. | :54:07. | |
strikes and a reduced service on rail routes in south London, | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
The Chief Executive has turned down a bonus and a pay rise. We can speak | :54:11. | :54:24. | |
to Peter Eisenach now, a customer of Southern rail who I presume is | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
pretty fed up this morning? Yes, an understatement. It has been hell, | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
the last few months. But I think what we have got... It's very good | :54:35. | :54:41. | |
to give up his bonus but my fares have up by 3%, so I'm still paying | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
more for a service that is not delivering what it should do. | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
Explain to people who don't use it, or don't understand how awful it's | :54:49. | :54:53. | |
been, what is your average commute? My commute is two hours. The actual | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
train journey itself should be less than one hour. It never is. What | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
happens is, you have to get on an earlier train to work to ensure you | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
are there on time. I have meetings that can't be cancelled at such, and | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
you tend to leave work later in the hope and expectation you will get | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
home but you never get home when you are supposed to. Your day is | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
elongated, your ability to ensure you are at a meeting at a set time | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
often means it's not possible. You can't often get a seat and its the | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
irregularity of the whole service. It's deplorable. It shows no sign of | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
getting better. It seems curious that you read these profits, a rise | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
of 27%, and just yesterday the government was saying, here are some | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
money to sort out which would suggest maybe money is not the issue | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
here. There are three main issues in this deplorable situation. The first | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
issue sorted if the ongoing dispute with the unions, which, until it | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
sorted, the fundamental issue will not go away, so you've got to get | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
that done and the politicians need to ban some heads and sort that out. | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
The second issue is often overlooked, the infrastructure. | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
Network Rail, who police the tracks and signals, we have got a Victorian | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
infrastructure, decades of underfunding, and a lot of the | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
delays are down to signal failures or sink holes, and any other type of | :56:22. | :56:29. | |
excuse, it's too hot, cold, leaves on the line, we've all been there. | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
I'm sure my fellow commuters will raise a wry smile. The third issue, | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
one which is not often talked about, is the Southern rail, when they took | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
over the franchise, misinterpreted a number of drivers they needed, not | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
enough, so they rely on the good nature of people. And of course, it | :56:48. | :56:55. | |
takes nine months to train driver, so this issue is ongoing and will | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
take time, but the union peace can be sorted quickly. The | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
infrastructure will take longer and the train drivers, hopefully, sooner | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
than later. Peter, and well done for getting in. It sounds like it's not | :57:12. | :57:15. | |
always possible on time. Still to come, Donald Trump 's wife is suing | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
the Daily Mail for alleging she worked as an escort back in the | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
1990s. We will get the latest from our correspondence. | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
Let's get the latest weather update with Alex Deakin. | :57:28. | :57:29. | |
Alex, Hurricane Hermeen has made landfall in Florida? | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
It's looking pretty grim. Yes, fascinating night but worrying if | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
you are in Florida. The Harry Kane has been developing over the past | :57:41. | :57:44. | |
few days. It has hit in the last few hours in North Florida -- Harry | :57:45. | :57:46. | |
Kane. -- Harry these are the pictures, you can see | :57:47. | :57:56. | |
the trees getting blown around. In terms of its wind strength, it's not | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
that powerful, only a category one storm. -- hurricane. Presumably some | :58:01. | :58:10. | |
holiday-makers could still be there? Terrifying if you've never | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
experienced it. This is the first hurricane to hit Florida directly | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
for 11 years, so we haven't seen this kind of thing for a while and | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
it's been fascinating to watch it through the night. The storm has | :58:24. | :58:30. | |
been gradually improving. The sea is pitifully warmer. You can see the | :58:31. | :58:33. | |
eye of the storm there as it made landfall. It is now weakened and | :58:34. | :58:39. | |
it's not even a hurricane any more, just a tropical storm. It's not the | :58:40. | :58:42. | |
wind which will cause the problem but the rain. It's swinging its way | :58:43. | :58:49. | |
across northern Florida, torrential rain, a couple of inches, and we | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
could see downpours over the next 24 hours or so. Very heavy rain, | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
coupled with a storm surge, where the seas surged up because of the | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
low pressure. That will cause further issues. I'll be at the start | :59:02. | :59:07. | |
of Harry Kane season? This is the peak. -- hurricane season? This is | :59:08. | :59:20. | |
Hermeen. It started that letter a each year? The last one was Wilma. | :59:21. | :59:29. | |
That was 2005. It won't be a storm any more in terms of wind strength | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
but very heavy rain coming into the Carolinas in the next couple of | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
days. We could see close to 400 millimetres of rain. A | :59:39. | :59:46. | |
life-threatening storm surge in the USA, so travel disruption at the | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
very least and the potential for tornadoes as well. We will give a | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
close eye on it for the next 24 hours but back home across the UK, | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
nothing quite bad lively. Low pressure systems to track and the | :00:00. | :00:01. | |
weather front of dribbling southward across England and Wales providing a | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
bit more cloud and a few outbreaks of rain here in there. Some | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
brightness as well across England and Wales. For Scotland and Northern | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
Ireland, some sunshine but also a few showers coming in, scattered | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
about, so it won't rain all day and actually, northern England, Wales | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
and the south-west of England, brightening up, and a pleasant | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
evening across Devon and Cornwall and most of Wales. For the Midlands, | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
East Anglia and the south-east, a cracking day yesterday but different | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
today, with rain and drizzle, nothing too heavy. Northern England, | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
Dell, damp morning and further north, sunny spells and some | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
showers. Showers most frequent in the north and west. North-east | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
Scotland could stay dry. Through the evening, the cloud and rain on and | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
off, and drizzle, will clear away, not completely until midnight and | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
the showers will go in the far north-west of the most of us, a dry | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
night with clear skies, light wind and a comfortable night. Not as warm | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
as lately, down to 13-14, so that's how we go into Saturday. The weekend | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
starts dry and fine but we have a complication, and messy picture, | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
this developing weather system, which has been keeping us on our | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
toes throughout the week as to when the rain will arrive and it looks | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
like most of us will start sunny on Saturday but the rain pushed and | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
Northern Ireland, Wales and south-west England through the | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
morning and spreads its way into southern Scotland eventually into | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
eastern England through the day. The south-east may well not see the rain | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
until the evening and north-east Scotland should be a fine day. For | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
most, it turns wet and windy during Saturday. All that wind and rain is | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
heading towards Denmark by Sunday. We are left behind with a few | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
showers, particularly in the east, and a cool breeze blowing but | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
certainly for Northern Ireland, Wales and south-west England, after | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
a wet Sunday, Sunday looks like being a much drier and brighter day, | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
so all in all, the weekend is a complicated picture. It starts dry | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
and sunny on Saturday but we will see some rain on Sunday but many of | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
us it looks like being the dry and brighter day. More updates | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
throughout the day on ABC News and BBC weather website about that storm | :02:09. | :02:09. | |
in the USA. Welcome to the programme | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
if you have just joined us. Coming up: Patient groups warn | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
of a catastrophic impact on safety over junior doctors' plans | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
for a wave of strike action It's one year since the shocking | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
image of three-year-old Syrian refugee Aylan Kurdi who drowned | :02:24. | :02:34. | |
trying to cross to Europe. Looking back at this period we will | :02:35. | :02:47. | |
be really ashamed of ourselves if history says these children were | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
suffering in these numbers to this extent and we did nothing as a | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
country. I don't think people want to be in a country that has that | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
reputation. Donald Trump's wife sues | :02:56. | :03:04. | |
the Daily Mail over an article suggesting she worked as an escort | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
in the 1990s. Here's Ben in the newsroom | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
with a summary of today's news. Some of the country's most senior | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
medical leaders have condemned the series of strikes planned | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
by junior doctors in England, as the row over a new | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
contract intensifies. A week of strikes this month will be | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
followed by three more five-day walkouts in October, | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
November and December. The Academy of Medical Royal | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
Colleges says the proposed action One of the organisations | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
which represents charities that support patients has told this | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
programme further talks are needed. We are very concerned about this | :03:41. | :03:52. | |
huge escalation in the industrial dispute and frustrated, given that a | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
deal was very close to being settled earlier in the summer. There is no | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
end in sight to these strikes. They will have an impact on patients. We | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
can't be sure exactly what the impact will be. It depends on how | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
well the NHS contingency planning is, but kerb concerned and would | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
like doctors to call off the strike and both sides to get back around | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
the negotiating table. Over 100 faith leaders, | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
council chiefs and celebrities will gather outside the Home Office | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
today, to call on the government to bring 387 refugee children | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
over from Calais. They say the children | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
are all eligible to come here. The groups are gathering one year | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
after the Syrian refugee boy Aylan Kurdi washed up | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
on a Turkish beach. A 23-year-old man has been charged | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
in connection with the deaths of a boy and his aunt, | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
who were hit by a car being chased by police in south-east | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
London on Wednesday. Makayah McDermott and Rosie Cooper | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
were walking along a road Joshua Dobby, of no fixed abode, | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
is due to appear before Bromley Magistrates today to face | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
two counts of death A state of emergency has been | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
declared in Florida Schools and government offices have | :04:58. | :05:06. | |
been closed and thousands It was originally classified as a | :05:07. | :05:21. | |
hurricane but has been downgraded now. | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
with murder over the death of a banker believed to have been | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
Oliver Dearlove died after allegedly being hit by a man | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
while waiting for a taxi on a night out in Blackheath in | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
A post-mortem examination gave the provisional cause | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
The electronics company Samsung is to announce a recall of some | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
of its mobile phones, after reports of the devices | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
The global recall is of the Galaxy Note 7 smartphone. | :05:46. | :05:53. | |
Samsung will be replacing the batteries in these devices, | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
after some exploded, or replacing them with completely new phones. | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
It's also temporarily halting sales of the phone. | :06:01. | :06:07. | |
Melania Trump - the wife of the Republican presidential | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
candidate Donald Trump - is suing the Daily Mail | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
libel saying the newspaper alleged that she was an escort | :06:18. | :06:26. | |
Her lawyer says such claims are a hundred per cent false. | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
The Mail Online has retracted any suggestion the | :06:33. | :06:34. | |
More than two and half billion people around the world may be | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
vulnerable to outbreaks of the Zika virus - | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
according to a new study into the disease. | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
Scientists say countries in Africa and Asia are most at risk and warn | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
it could be hard to prevent, detect and respond to epidemics. | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
The action movie star Jackie Chan, is getting an honorary Oscar | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
for his "extraordinary achievements" in film. | :06:51. | :06:51. | |
has starred in dozens of martial arts films in his native Hong Kong. | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
He went on to huge international success with hits including | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
the Rush Hour franchise, Shanghai Noon, The Karate Kid, and | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
That's the latest news. More from me at half past. | :07:01. | :07:11. | |
Don't forget to get in touch with us throughout the programme. One thing | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
we are talk being is this junior doctors strike. There will be three | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
more extra strikes in October and Nev and December. As a retired nurse | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
concerned about improving quality of patient care I support the proposed | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
action of junior doctors against the Government's new contracts. Sue got | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
in touch on e-mail, I am due to have an operation on 14th September, my | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
husband has booked holiday so he can look after me when I come home. If | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
my operation is rescheduled his company will not reschedule his | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
holiday. He is going to have to take it. When I finally do have my | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
operation he will have to take unpaid leave which will hurt us | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
financially. Another couple here, e-mail, fund resource and recruit a | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
seven-day NHS before you impose it. Bill on e-mail t should be noted | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
that the junior doctors will be striking for five days, they don't | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
want to miss extra pay for weekend work. Let's get all the sport now. | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
For the first time since 1968 there are three British men in the third | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
round of the US Open. Kyle Edmund has been joined in the last 32 by | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
Andy Murray and Dan Evans who secured one of the biggest wins of | :08:28. | :08:39. | |
his career. He beat Alexander Zverev, considered | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
one of the game's brightest young talents. | :08:43. | :08:52. | |
Andy Murray said it was hard to hear during his victory over Marcel | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
Granollers that it felt he was wearing headphones. They were | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
playing under the new roof. He pointed out that players use their | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
ears to help pick up speed and movement of the ball. When the rain | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
came it was certainly loud. I mean, you couldn't hear anything. So, I | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
mean you could hear the line calls but not so much when the opponent | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
was hitting the ball or even when you are hitting the ball really | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
which is tough, because purely because we are not used to it. | :09:29. | :09:36. | |
That's what makes it challenging. There was a defeat for Naomi Broady. | :09:37. | :09:58. | |
She lost in straight sets to world number four Radwanska. | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
There were no broken records this time butted in's cricketers beat | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
Pakistan by four wickets at Headingley. Victory at Old Trafford | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
next Wednesday would give England a 5-0 series whitewash. | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
Britain's Laura Muin says there is little for her to improve ahead of | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
next year's World Championships in London after she rounded off her | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
season in amazing style. Second place in Zurich was enough for her | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
to take the diamond league 1500 metres title from the Olympic | :10:29. | :10:37. | |
champion. Chris Froome is still in contention | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
to complete the grand tour double. The Tour de France champion remains | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
second in the Vuelta in Spain after the 12th stage. 54 seconds behind | :10:47. | :11:01. | |
the overall leader Nairo Quintana. Double Paralympic champion Hannah | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
Cockroft says it would be devastating if the crowds were | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
sparse in Rio this month. She says the build-up to the Games has been | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
low key but she believes the enthusiasm is rising. I believe that | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
we have the support there, the ticket sales have been increasing | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
massively. Everyone is doing their bit now to push it forward. The only | :11:23. | :11:30. | |
thing that's going to make it a successful Games, as long as | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
athletes put the best performances in they can that's what a successful | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
Games is. That's all the sport. The headlines | :11:37. | :11:38. | |
in 20 minutes, see you then. Leading members of the medical | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
profession have raised concerns about the fresh series of strikes | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
planned by junior The Academy of Medical Royal | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
Colleges has warned about the impact of sustained industrial | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
action on patients. The junior doctors | :11:53. | :11:53. | |
insist the new contract, which is at the heart | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
of their dispute with the government, puts | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
patients at risk by imposing change with | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
insufficient resources. Here are the details | :12:00. | :12:00. | |
of the planned industrial action Junior doctors in England will walk | :12:01. | :12:13. | |
out for five days from 8.00 am on 12th September. | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
Unless industrial action is suspended or called off another | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
strike is planned from Wednesday 5th October to Tuesday 11th. | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
In November, junior doctors plan to walk out for another five days from | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
Monday 14th. In the run-up to Christmas they're proposing to | :12:29. | :12:30. | |
strike from Monday 5th December until Friday 9th. | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
With me now is our Health Editor, Hugh Pym, Liz McAnulty | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
who is a Trustee of the Patients Association. | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
And from Worcester - Stephen Dorrell - former | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
Conservative MP and Health Secretary who is now chair of the NHS | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
Confederation, which speaks on behalf of organisations that | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
plan, commission and provide NHS services. | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
Hugh, first of all, take us through this. Obviously, it's early days, | :12:53. | :13:00. | |
but I presume this is going to have a huge impact on routine operations, | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
doctors appointments within hospitals? Well, that's right. We | :13:05. | :13:12. | |
have seen this before. We have had two all-out strikes -- that was back | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
in April and thousands of postponed operations and appointments. It's | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
estimated in the coming weeks, action on September 12th, five days, | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
longer than last time, there will be something like 30,000 routine | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
operations and pieces of surgery postponed and thousands more | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
outpatient appointments. If you multiply by the extra strikes we | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
have heard about in October and November and December you get up to | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
something like 100,000 postponed routine operations. It does have a | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
big impact on patients. That being said, emergency care will be covered | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
by consultants and it's important to point that out, anyone who needs to | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
go to accident and emergency will be looked after. Most hospitals coped | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
pretty well with that side of things when this happened in April. Liz, | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
this is a real worry. I read a couple of comments out before from | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
people saying I have a routine operation, my husband's taking time | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
off work, maybe you have kids, whatever it is, you have plans in | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
place. It's hugely disruptive. And could potentially mean people don't | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
support the junior doctors any more? Well, that's not surprising that | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
people are very concerned about it and very concerned for themselves, | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
number one. But yes, there is a risk that the doctors will lose support. | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
They have had huge support, as have all of the health service | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
professionals and staff who are working in increasingly difficult | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
circumstances. But, for the patients now, there are five days, 30,000 as | :14:43. | :14:50. | |
you said in the first five days, that's not just the 30,000 | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
individuals affected but all their families and in many cases people | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
with small businesses where they have to inform clients. It causes | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
absolute havoc for the patients. People are worried, as one of the | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
Patients' Association reports showed a few weeks ago, already many | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
thousands of patients are waiting much longer than the maximum time | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
for knee, hip operations, things that debilitate patients. They're | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
now going to have to wait even longer as a result of this. So, yes, | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
it's devastating. Let's bring in Stephen Doll, former | :15:24. | :15:34. | |
Health Secretary. The fact junior doctors are taking this action, it | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
shows how worried they are about this new contract. I think the two | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
points I want to make. It has the Academy of Royal oncology, the | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
professional leadership of the medical profession, that said today | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
this action is disproportionate. I completely agree with that. You | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
describe the new junior doctor contract in your introduction as the | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
government contract but actually this is a contract that is being | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
negotiated over a very long period, measured in years, and in the | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
concluding stages of that process, it wasn't the government, but the | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
independent ACAS, mediation service, chaired by Sir Brendan Barber, | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
former general secretary of the TUC, so not an instinctive supporter of | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
this government. Add to that process came a contract which, three months | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
ago, the leadership of the BMA themselves said was a good deal for | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
junior doctors. It is against that background I think the move from | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
industrial action in the first half of this year to considerably worse | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
industrial action in the second half of this year is rightly described as | :16:41. | :16:49. | |
disproportionate. As Stephen Dobell points out, the BMA recommended | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
junior doctors signed up to it so it's confusing for people to work | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
out why they are striking. It's confusing. The Academy got everyone | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
around the table and a deal was done and the BMA leadership signed up to | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
it with the government falls the junior doctor leaders then went | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
around the country and said it was a good deal, but the membership voted | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
against it and the BMA are saying, OK, we did what we thought was a | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
good deal, but if 58% vote against, that's what the members want, we | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
have to reflect their views, so the majority want to go back to the | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
negotiating table although the government understandably are | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
saying, what's the point of negotiating and they can't sell it | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
to the members? Surely the key issue here is that a responsible trade | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
union, which is what the BMA normally is, would then talk to its | :17:42. | :17:48. | |
members, not as Mark Porter said on the radio yesterday, throw out the | :17:49. | :17:50. | |
whole of this process and start again, move away from incremental | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
eyes Asian, as he put it, but would seek to demonstrate the deal that | :17:57. | :18:04. | |
they did in the context of the independent conciliation service, | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
the deal they did, which may be, with a couple of tweaks, that deal | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
should be a continuation to recommend the deal they did to their | :18:15. | :18:23. | |
members. The emphasis is on the contract, the junior doctors | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
contract, but the Secretary of State, when introducing it, it is to | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
enable doctors to provide a seven-day service. Well, the | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
difficulty we see from the Patients' Association is we are already | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
hearing from thousands of people a year about how the service is | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
creaking at the seams already on a five-day service. So we cannot | :18:46. | :18:53. | |
understand how the health service can expand to provide this service | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
without extra resources McGovern would've said there will be no extra | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
resources for this, so the contract and the blame game going on between | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
the Department of Health officials, the Secretary of State and doctors, | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
is going on and on and is very protracted but underneath all of the | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
squabbling, and blaming, many thousands of patients every day are | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
suffering as a result of a creaking service in many parts of the NHS, | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
AMD, GPs, mental health services, I could go on. What we really wish for | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
is that the Department of Health, the Secretary of State, the doctors, | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
would sit down today to stop the devastation which is going to occur, | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
and solve the immediate problem, but that will only be the tip of the | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
iceberg. They need to look at the wider issues that are causing | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
serious problems for patients in health and social care. This issue | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
of a seven-day NHS in England, it wasn't a Conservative manifesto is | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
the government feels it has a mandate to deliberate, but it has | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
got very confused in its argument over the contract which is a | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
technocratic issue, detail about how doctors are remunerated at different | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
times. The government says we need the contract but has not really | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
explained how they are linked and junior doctors are saying we work | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
anyway at weekends and this contract is nothing to do with seven days, so | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
I think the message has not been handled particularly well and has | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
allowed the junior doctors to say we are not convinced by this policy so | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
therefore we have major doubt about the contract. Stephen Doll, what is | :20:35. | :20:42. | |
the situation now for Jeremy Hunt? He, as the Health Secretary, | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
negotiated this contract and now his situation is looking untenable? His | :20:50. | :20:59. | |
position is not relevant in this. It is relevant. His position is | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
relevant because many junior doctors say that it's Jeremy Hunt himself | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
and was causing the problems here and actually, if he was removed, | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
maybe they could make some progress. But we can't have a position where | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
one part of the workforce of the NHS is going on strike because they | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
don't think the Prime Minister has made the right appointment as | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
Secretary of State for Health. This is an argument about the terms in | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
which people, the junior doctors, are working under contract. I agree | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
that it's a major distraction to be talking in this context about | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
seven-day working. The exchanges between the junior doctor leadership | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
on the leaked what SAP exchanges make crystal clear that this is an | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
argument about money for junior doctors, nothing to do with the | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
wider issues of the shape of services within the NHS and, in that | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
dispute, this is what I think is unforgivable. Against the background | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
of a long process that ended conciliation, recommended by the | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
BMA, we are now seeing patients, the quality of service delivered to | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
patients, put unnecessarily at risk at the choice of the BMA. Stephen | :22:16. | :22:25. | |
Dobell, thank you. We are encouraging patients if they want to | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
contact us for advice, to call the helpline. 0208, 429 999. And for us | :22:29. | :22:38. | |
to advise them on how, obviously become do anything about providing | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
an alternative to the surgery, but to advise them the best way to | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
negotiate an alternative date should be cancelled. But we are acting on | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
behalf of of patients to try and encourage all the bells and parties | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
to try and sorted out as soon as possible. Thank you for coming in. | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
An e-mail from Pauline, I fully support junior doctors, I have a | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
number of health problems and often end up in hospital. Junior doctors | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
do amazing work and the government should appreciate doctors before | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
they look for work abroad. Who will look after patients then? Junior | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
doctors are gone too far now, they have lost my support. | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
Still to come: Donald Trump's wife, Melania, is suing | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
the Daily Mail Online for alleging that she worked | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
We'll get the latest from our own correspondent. | :23:27. | :23:36. | |
This morning, Nicola Sturgeon will gather with her SNP MPs, | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
MSPs and MEPS to begin talks about the road to a possible second | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
It's now nearly two years since Scotland voted to stay in the UK | :23:45. | :23:57. | |
55%. On September 18th 2014 | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
the Scottish people voted to stay part of the UK - | :24:01. | :24:01. | |
55.3% voted to stay with the Union, A huge 84% of those eligible to vote | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
turned out to have their say - the highest ever referendum | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
turnout in the UK. Two years on, and Brexit | :24:11. | :24:12. | |
on everyone's minds - what are the chances Nicola Sturgeon | :24:13. | :24:14. | |
will call a second Referendum? And would the Scottish people vote | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
differently now than In Edinburgh, is Adarsh Sekhar | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
who voted for Independence in 2014, Judy Lockhart who voted to remain | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
part of the UK and thinks there shouldn't be a second | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
referendum at all. Asma Butt, who lives in Aberdeen | :24:29. | :24:30. | |
but is in Salford this morning voted to stay with the UK in 2014 | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
but now regrets that. He voted for Scottish independence | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
and says he would again Elaine Martay, is in Dumfries | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
and thinks Scotland It was a Yes to independence | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
for her. And finally, Fiona Grace | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
is in St Andrews this morning. She voted to remain in the UK | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
IN 2014 but says she would vote to leave if there | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
was another referendum. Thank you all for joining us today. | :25:00. | :25:10. | |
I'm interested first of all that you voted to stay just two years ago but | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
you are regretting it. Tell me why. I wouldn't exactly say I'm | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
regretting it, rather I feel like what has happened is people have | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
been told that certain things would come as a result of voting to remain | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
in the independence referendum and less than two years later, things | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
actually changed and they changed a lot worse. I feel like that was the | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
result of unfortunately Conservative MPs coming up to Scotland, telling | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
us one thing and then going back down south, having a general | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
election and deciding, actually, to save our own party we need to put | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
the Scottish people to one side. I think it was a massive error of | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
judgment on David Cameron 's part. And it is why eventually led to his | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
exit from number ten and I think that's why, now Scotland is in a | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
position again where we can ask the people, do you still feel the way | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
you felt two years ago? You effectively feel like to? You were | :26:16. | :26:23. | |
nodding your head. Yes, I think we were lied to all the time. | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
Especially by the Tories. Explain more. Many people would say actually | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
they came out, said there would be more autonomy for Scotland, they | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
haven't gone back on that, so why do you feel lied to? Because they | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
seemed to really make it very frightening to people that the | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
economy would collapse, that we would not be allowed to have our own | :26:52. | :27:04. | |
money. It is all terribly exaggerated. It was also very | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
exaggerated in the media about the amount of violence and hatred going | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
on during the whole referendum when, in fact, it is extremely civilised. | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
And the only person who made that clear was Johnson oh. I can see Judy | :27:22. | :27:28. | |
is pulling faces -- Johnson oh. Speak directly to a layman. I live | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
in Glasgow and was a lot of violence in Glasgow, as somebody supporting | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
remaining in the UK, I felt like I got a lot of abuse and I know a lot | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
of people who would tell people they were voting for independence just | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
because they didn't want to face abuse. Glasgow has its own | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
particular problems and it isn't representative of the whole of | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
Scotland. We have got the largest section of voters. But still not the | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
whole of Scotland. While you can't sailor was no violence when I | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
experienced it. Certainly I wasn't exposed to any. I'm keen for you all | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
to speak to one another. Fiona, tell us your thoughts. In terms of | :28:16. | :28:29. | |
violence, it tore families apart. Personally, I voted to remain in the | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
UK because I wanted to be part of an outward looking country, not a | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
separatist one. The deal-breaker for me was remaining in the EU. I very | :28:39. | :28:48. | |
much agree that I felt lied to. The political landscape has changed | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
entirely. So I feel a second referendum is important so the | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
people of Scotland's voice can be heard. They both reflect a lot of | :28:57. | :29:04. | |
thoughts of a lot of friends of mine who also voted to remain and are | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
more on the fence this time, because two years ago, it was very much, in | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
terms of the life of Tories said, it was mainly around, in 2014, the idea | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
was very much if you vote to leave, the EU won't take you in, they would | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
be a lot of uncertainty were as now that has flipped and there's a lot | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
of uncertainty in Britain right now, and suddenly, an independent | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
Scotland seems much more likely to be in the EU than Britain would, so | :29:34. | :29:40. | |
that the main issue. In justice and lies people might be referring to. I | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
don't think that's fair to call that lies because David Cameron campaign | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
to stay in and many people said he was quite shocked when there was a | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
Brexit vote, so I'm not sure it's fair to say it's alive. I think | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
maybe lie is the wrong word, but you can't deny the landscape has | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
changed. Especially given that Scotland voted 60% to stay in, so I | :29:59. | :30:06. | |
don't know if it's the media but the appetite for a new referendum is | :30:07. | :30:08. | |
definitely there because of those changes in terms and a lot of | :30:09. | :30:15. | |
friends are agreeing with that. I want to bring in Abdul because he's | :30:16. | :30:16. | |
not had a say. Go ahead, Abdul. The thing about violence, I was at a | :30:17. | :30:29. | |
few gatherings at George Square in Glasgow and there was violence | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
there, but it wasn't certainly from the Yes side. I remember | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
particularly there was like a certain football club was playing at | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
the time and then after a football match they all gathered. The police | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
cordoned a tough. It was kind of scarupy but it certainly wasn't from | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
the Yes side there was violence. Even on the day of the referendum, | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
so again it was very peaceful. There was music playing, that kind of | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
stuff, but as soon as the result started to come in the violence | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
started to happen and you seen again it was actually the same group of | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
people that were doing the violence. It was actually those who voted to | :31:09. | :31:15. | |
Remain in the UK, if I am honest. A couple of points, the first about | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
the violence, that was what we were talking about. In terms of the | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
violence I think it's actually an arbitary line to draw, talking about | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
violence as if it only happened with Remain voters and Yes voters. I | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
don't think that's the case. I think what happened was it was an | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
emotional debate. What we were asked when it came to the independence | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
referendum was a question on how do you see your future, how do you see | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
the future of your children and the next generation coming up? How do | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
you understand that? The fact that 16 and 17-year-olds were allowed to | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
vote added to that emotion. Actually it was the narrative that was being | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
set which made it more emotional which then caused people to feel | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
like actually I am being affronted, people are coming up to me and | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
telling me that I am wrong or I need to shy away from actually exposing | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
what my views are. Secondly, I really wanted to make a point about | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
what Fiona was saying about being an outward looking nation and it's time | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
to have a second referendum. I am a little bit on the fence as to | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
whether we should have a second referendum. The reason for that is | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
because I feel that if we do have a second referendum we are actually | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
going to once again put the blanket over all the other issues going on | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
in Scotland right now. We will again just talk about finances, talk about | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
oil, talk about the fact that do we want the SNP to be the one-party of | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
the nation? I think that's actually quite a problematic concept. What I | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
think we should be doing in some respects I am torn, like I said, I | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
think that we should really be focussing on the actual issues that | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
are affecting people, like the fact that austerity hasn't meant that | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
people in Glasgow, people in Aberdeen and the Highlands even feel | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
connected to the central belt, especially Edinburgh. So, I think | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
that we need to be looking a lot more broadly at some of the issues | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
that have been quietened down in the last two years and meant that | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
charity work has been put on the back burner for politics of the | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
future. Everyone is nodding in agreement virtually as you talk | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
about that as when you were talking about the emotion of the referendum. | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
Fiona spoke about division with some families. Does Scotland really need | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
another referendum? Isn't it a case of referendum fatigue? Judy is | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
shaking her head. Scotland doesn't need a referendum. People should | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
believe in democracy. Scotland voted to remain in the United Kingdom. | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
Prior to a lot of us being born we also had a referendum, well, a vote, | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
I think it was in 1979 for devolution of powers and that didn't | :33:53. | :33:55. | |
go through either. What do people want? Third time lucky, best of | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
five? The people of Scotland have spoken. We haven't a vote every few | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
years because people aren't happy with something. When Scotland voted | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
to Remain, we voted to vote in nationwide vote as part of the UK, | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
so when Brexit came along we voted and it wasn't Scotland voted this | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
way, the people of the United Kingdom voted and democracy said we | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
should leave. That doesn't mean we should then have another vote on | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
independence in Scotland. You can't throw your toys out of the pram. | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
There is far more pressing problems in Scotland, the SNP or if the SNP | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
were put out, whoever the party is, at the moment SNP should be dealing | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
with education, NHS, there is loads of things. Yet they keep pushing for | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
independence. Scotland doesn't want it. | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
In regards to democracy, what you were saying about 1970, it was made | :34:52. | :35:01. | |
difficult. You had the 45%, a certain amount of people had to show | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
up to turn out to vote. In regards to the SNP pushing the referendum | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
agenda, I am a card-carrying member of the SNP but many points I | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
disagree with, but certainly the SNP are right now they're not focussing | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
on the referendum. They have a plan... They've started saying that | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
they're going to start looking out... They already have a strategy | :35:27. | :35:37. | |
in place, it's one of of the responsibilities, they are also | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
governing confidently in education and in healthcare and in trying to | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
do what they can for finance, as well. Just to say that the SNP is a | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
one-party issue is not fair at all. They are trying to do it, they're | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
trying to do a job here. It's not fair to say they're focussed on the | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
referendum. I think it's fair to say the statistics would say they're not | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
doing a good job. Democracy has spoken and I don't understand why | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
anybody should think they're arrogant enough to say they're view | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
is more important than the majority? I agree. I think that it's not so | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
much that we are saying that the SNP is a one-issue party. What we are | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
saying instead is that the SNP has a really Goodway of being able to | :36:21. | :36:23. | |
control the narrative in Scotland and be able to say that look at us, | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
we are the strongest party both for Scotland in Westminster and for the | :36:29. | :36:35. | |
party in Scotland. So, they have in terms of competencies, they look | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
competent. That's actually a fault of the other parties. We are not | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
trying to take down the SNP or anything like that. It's not to say | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
that the SNP is a one-party issue. Rather it's to say that the other | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
issues, like health, like education, like local Government, are actually | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
being put down. They're being put on the back burner. They're not in the | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
media. That's because the media listens to what the SNP have to say | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
and the SNP like to make headlines about independence. It's not about | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
them being one issue, it's about them being able to control the | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
narrative and hide their record. I have a feeling you could carry on | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
talking for another half an hour. Sadly, we have to leave it there. | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
People have been getting in touch with us. A tweet says, absolutely | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
not. They've had their chance. Do we have a referendum until they get the | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
answer they want? The whole of the UK should vote about Scotland, | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
otherwise it's a minority to get to decide whether the UK should be | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
broken up. Still to come: | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
Donald Trump's wife, Melania, is suing the Daily Mail Online | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
for alleging that she worked as an escort back in the nineties. | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
At 10.50, we'll get the latest from our own correspondent. | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
There's a new warning about Zika virus with a study claiming that | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
a third of the world's population is vulnerable | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
including tourist hotspots in India and Indonesia. | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
We'll talk to the director of a travel clinic very shortly. | :38:00. | :38:09. | |
We know that children from poorer areas often lag | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
behind their classmates in terms of literacy. | :38:12. | :38:13. | |
Now a charity project in London is managing to narrow the divide. | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
Called The Doorstep Library, teams of volunteers take books | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
to children on disadvantaged estates, to encourage | :38:19. | :38:19. | |
It's working so well, the charity wants to expand. | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
Lesley Ashmall spent the day with the volunteers. | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
Once upon a time there were some children who didn't have any books. | :38:28. | :38:35. | |
But then some strangers came knocking on their doors | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
We are Doorstep Library and we are a charity in West London | :38:39. | :38:50. | |
that takes books to children living in disadvantaged areas to inspire | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
a love of reading and show children that books are an enjoyable | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
Armed with second-hand and newly bought books, | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
volunteers spend their evenings in poorer areas | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
encouraging parents and children to read. | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
And they are seeing remarkable results. | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
I like books because they let you read properly. | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
And has your reading improved since you started reading books? | :39:26. | :39:32. | |
I don't know why I'm going to say this but I can't read | :39:33. | :39:41. | |
You're reading this book, aren't you? | :39:42. | :39:48. | |
So you are learning to read with the pictures in the book? | :39:49. | :39:56. | |
Do you struggle with reading at school when other | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
Is it quite difficult when other | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
She was born with three holes in her heart so she's struggled | :40:05. | :40:26. | |
So, when they come and read to her now, it's brilliant. | :40:27. | :40:37. | |
She's gone up a level in her reading. | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
And her confidence has got so much more. | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
The same people come every Tuesday, and she enjoys it. | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
She sits at the door waiting for them now. | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
A recent Save The Children study showed that four out of ten children | :40:53. | :41:05. | |
from poorer areas can't read well when they go to secondary school. | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
But it is not always because of a lack of ambition. | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
It has not taken the charity long to convince parents | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
We visit the same families each week. | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
Because the parents build up trust, we start getting them | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
involved as well, and that's really our unique point, | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
You are a volunteer, Allyson. | :41:32. | :41:40. | |
You are one of many, there are about 50 of you. | :41:41. | :41:42. | |
The fact it is so informal with the families. | :41:43. | :41:50. | |
You can also over time see progress in the children. | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
It's such pleasure, pulling out of a rucksack something | :41:56. | :41:57. | |
The older girls are reading chapter books, but earlier chapter books, | :41:58. | :42:11. | |
Many of the families on this estate don't speak English as their first | :42:12. | :42:18. | |
language but that is not holding back the children. | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
That was a big tongue twister, wasn't it? | :42:22. | :42:51. | |
Do your teachers think you are good at reading now? | :42:52. | :43:02. | |
Then we went with frog who jumped up on a lily pad and jumped up | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
We should read because it helps you talk. | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
And that is what is called the good news story. | :43:15. | :43:22. | |
And you can share Lesley's film or watch again via our website - | :43:23. | :43:37. | |
We've been reporting this morning that a third of the world's | :43:38. | :43:45. | |
population could be at risk from Zika virus. | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
It's the latest virus pandemic warning that's causing travellers | :43:48. | :43:49. | |
A study found that India, Indonesia and Nigeria are some | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
The first outbreak of the mosquito-borne disease was last | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
year in Brazil, and since then, it's spread to other parts | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
Researchers say it could be hard to prevent, detect | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
First let's get more on this from our health | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
Back to basics, remind everyone what zika is. It's a mosquito-borne virus | :44:10. | :44:22. | |
and scientists have known of zika for the best part of 70 years. When | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
you look at that, they know remarkably little about it. We are | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
on a steep learning curve and that's because it's only really come to | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
prominence as a public health concern in the last year or so | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
because we have started seeing a lot of cases in south and central | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
America, particularly in Brazil, and it's been linked to birth | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
abnormalities, particularly underdevelopment of the brain in | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
babies, the children of mothers who got Zika while pregnant. What the | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
scientific community is trying to do is obviously look at prevention, | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
find a vaccine, also look at cures, but also in the meantime look at | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
where populations are vulnerable, who is at risk and where are they? | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
What's what this Lancet paper has set out to do by doing some | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
modelling, it's looked at the flight plans and patterns of people flying | :45:12. | :45:18. | |
from Zika affected areas and it's looked at local populations, the | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
density of populations, the types of mosquitos that could be around to | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
carry the virus and on that basis have concluded in a worst case | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
scenario really it could be up to 2. 6 billion people who could be | :45:31. | :45:31. | |
vulnerable. So at an estimate? It's a serious | :45:32. | :45:41. | |
piece of science but it's a exercise and researchers have acknowledged | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
the weaknesses in their findings. There could be populations across | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
the world of either had Zika would've been undetected in the past | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
or had a similar virus which has given them immunity so they may not | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
be vulnerable in the way people fear. That isn't dangerous to people | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
who are not pregnant or wanting to get pregnant? If you and I got it, | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
we'd be OK? There are no symptoms for the great majority and those who | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
do develop symptoms normally get a rash, perhaps a headache and quickly | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
moves on. But the problem is for women who are pregnant and if they | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
develop Zika, of course the impact for their children in terms of their | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
brain development. There are some instances also of problems, a | :46:31. | :46:37. | |
disease called the Barry disease, nervous disorder, which can lead to | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
paralysis that's been a small number of cases. Adam, thank you. Let's | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
speak to some people in the studio. Here to talk about these finding | :46:46. | :46:47. | |
is Dr Adam Kucharski, who researches Infectious Diseases | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
at the London School of Hygiene And Dr Richard Dawood - | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
the director of a travel clinic which advise patients | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
travelling to these areas. Adam, first of all, if this kind of | :46:57. | :47:05. | |
research helpful for people travelling around? Will it benefit | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
people as they move around? Really, the main target of this research is | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
health agencies. There's a lot of uncertainty at the moment about Zika | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
in South America, recently in Miami and Singapore, and about where | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
potentially it might go next so although this isn't saying they will | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
be outbreaks in these areas, this potentially a lot of people at risk | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
and agencies need to plan. For travellers, the main message is that | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
this is a problem which needs to be monitored so if you are panning to | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
go travelling and you are pregnant, looking to conceive, you should get | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
advice on the areas you are going to, are they potentially having | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
transmission at the moment? You say it's to help agencies with what can | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
they do? We don't know that much about Zika. One of the big | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
difficulties is diagnosing. A lot of the areas, they don't have good | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
health patterns, the tests necessary to identify Zika, and the symptoms, | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
fever, rash, quite generic, so to be able to confirm these are Zika | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
infections and respond are important and some countries may not be able | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
to do that. Are people considerably worried about this in your clinic? | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
We see people heading to areas affected by Zika, particularly in | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
Latin America, and some of them are having to reconsider their travel | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
plans, especially if they are pregnant or wanting to conceive and | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
that's fine. But also people who travel on business, who have | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
compelling reasons to go, it's not always possible for people to modify | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
the arrangement easily. They have to face some real difficult decisions | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
about whether to go, when to go, how to plan, pregnancies, conception, | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
sex, around travel plans, so it throws up some difficult dilemmas | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
for them. I recently went to Rio with work and it was very clear, the | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
instructions I had to wear long sleeves, trousers to my ankles, | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
cover myself in insect repellent and avoid getting bitten. I normally | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
attract a bite and I was not bitten at all, so you can protect yourself, | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
but do you think the message is getting through? You can do a lot to | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
protect yourself, and it's been shown using protection measures like | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
insect repellent, covering up, can reduce the number of bytes by 90%, | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
so that's a significant benefit. Bear in mind, in Rio, with the | :49:37. | :49:43. | |
build-up to the Olympic Games, there was a massive effort to control the | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
mosquito population locally and also it was the winter time, a cooler | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
time of year. That's not always going to be the case. I just got | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
back from Delhi, the end of monsoon season, rain everywhere, mosque Ito | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
is out of control, and you can imagine, in a study, if the kind of | :50:01. | :50:08. | |
environment where, with the best possible will in the world, it's not | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
really going to be possible to control Zika if it was to hit that | :50:14. | :50:23. | |
mega urban city environment. I think this is a huge wake-up call to | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
public health authorities in such an environment and when you look at the | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
situation in Singapore, where there has been in the past week, 40 cases | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
and 80 cases are now 120 cases reported, and news of a case | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
imported from Malaysia, Singapore is very self-contained and prepared for | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
the arrival of Zika for many months, they have a fabulous health | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
infrastructure and mosque Ito control and even in that environment | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
it is spreading. I think we do have to be very concerned that this is | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
something which is going global. We need to prepare ourselves for it, we | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
need to spend money now to stop ourselves from having to spend the | :51:12. | :51:13. | |
money later looking after damaged babies. Adam, we were talking to our | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
health correspondence about immunity. How clear is it whether | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
there is any immunity within a community exposed for long periods | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
of time? This figure is making an assumption that Zika is similar to | :51:28. | :51:36. | |
dengue fever, they come from the same family, so maybe there is a | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
cross protection. If you have had one, maybe you will get protection | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
to the other. There's a lot of variability, and could it be it | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
depends what circulated previously. This is an area of research we are | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
trying to understand. A vaccine, is that likely? There are vaccines in | :51:56. | :52:01. | |
development but the timescale we are talking is many years. It's likely | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
the initial trials in humans start next year, but of course, the time | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
we need to demonstrate the vaccine works effectively isn't something we | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
concede in the coming months. How worried are you as somebody who | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
understands the Zika virus about these warnings? You look at the | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
figures in this report, a couple of billion people and it sounds | :52:25. | :52:27. | |
terrifying to people who don't understand Zika. Does it concern | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
you? For the majority of people, Zika will be a mild infection. There | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
are measures people can take to protect themselves that it shows is | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
an ongoing risk. We've seen a lot of concern about that in America, and | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
other countries which will have to deal with this in the future and | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
authorities will have to commit resources to deal with it. Your | :52:50. | :52:52. | |
advice to anybody concerned about travelling? Get up-to-date advice. | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
The goalposts are constantly moving, this great information on the Public | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
Health England website or go to a specialist travel clinic where they | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
deal with people going to infected areas and we can give you the | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
up-to-date information you need to decide what to do. Thank you both | :53:15. | :53:16. | |
for coming in. Donald Trump's wife, Melania Trump, | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
is suing the Daily Mail Online for libel after it published | :53:20. | :53:21. | |
an article looking at her Our Media Correspondent | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
David Sillito is here. So what are these claims that we | :53:25. | :53:35. | |
know about? Essentially this is a story published August 20, and the | :53:36. | :53:45. | |
two essential ingredients to it. One is about her immigration status into | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
America for the it suggests that she arrived earlier than she said she | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
did, which would have been politically embarrassing. Wouldn't | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
it just for Donald Trump? The second one is an allegation that, | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
essentially, she had been an escort many years ago. These have both been | :54:03. | :54:09. | |
strongly denied. A statement from the when it comes to celebrity legal | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
action in America says," false and of amatory statement about Melania | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
allegedly being an escort in the early days of her career, all such | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
statements are 100% false." Today we have on page 14 of the Daily Mail, a | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
complete retraction. They say they never intended to say it was | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
actually true, but these allegations were swimming around that they have | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
made very clear today we did not intend to state or suggest these | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
allegations are true nor did we intend to state or suggest she ever | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
worked as an escort in the sex business. But that's not enough to | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
stop this? Legal action, libel law, it is compensated business. In | :54:58. | :55:01. | |
America, not only do you have to prove that something is untrue, you | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
also have to prove something called malice. Essentially, you have to | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
prove that the person who wrote it knew it was false at the time and | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
that also they had a reckless disregard for the truth. Now, that | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
makes it very difficult to bring libel actions in America as opposed | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
to Britain, where you just have to prove, well, the publisher has to | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
prove what they thought was actually true. So it's quite difficult to | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
bring libel actions but you've got to remember Charles harder comes | :55:34. | :55:39. | |
with an aura about him. He is the one who has been behind the Hulk | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
Hogan case, which was about a sex tape, published by a website, and T1 | :55:44. | :55:53. | |
$140 million and put the website out of business. When he comes forward | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
saying here is a $150 million claim, they take it seriously so this is a | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
warning to every other news organisation, it completely closes | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
down what is a feeding frenzy sometimes of these allegations. Was | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
it just the Daily Mail which published this article? No, another | :56:12. | :56:18. | |
blogger is cited in the case. He is based in Maryland, which is why this | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
case is being brought in Maryland, and if you want to know the ups and | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
downs of it, it means that it's possibly going to be taken on by a | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
state court in Maryland and one of the little details of Maryland law, | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
like many American states, is that you don't have to prove there has | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
been material harm if you are alleging this is unjust. | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
Deformation. Donald Trump is presumably angry about this? We have | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
not actually heard anything from him. Furious. The only thing they | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
refer back to the statement and it's pretty clear on absolutely furious | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
about what has been alleged here, and we had a retraction today. This | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
has possibly gone away in terms of anybody else in the public domain or | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
talking about this, but certainly $150 million threat, they will be | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
taking it very seriously. David, thank you for popping down. | :57:18. | :57:19. | |
I want to read some comments coming in. This comes from Liana. I'm sure | :57:20. | :57:29. | |
Scotland should get another independence vote as soon as England | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
gets one as well. And has said, about the junior doctors, junior | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
doctors who strike should be sacked. We would talk about whether public | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
support would wane. Alex says, these are young professionals are striking | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
because of their fears for patient safety. Jeremy Hunt should employ | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
more doctors rather than trying to spread and overstretched workforce | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
to breaking point. I totally support the junior doctors in their action. | :57:57. | :58:01. |