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Hello, it is Friday, it is 9am and welcome to the programme. | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
Hackers have stolen details of more than half a billion Yahoo customers | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
worldwide in the biggest security breach ever committed. | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
But why has it taken nearly two years for the company to explain how | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
names, email addresses, and phone numbers were stolen in the scam. | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
When is the right time to withdraw treatment for someone | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
who is in what is called a persistent vegatitive, | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
Well the decision doesn't lie with families but with | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
Relatives and campaigners say this needs to change. | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
The mother of a British teenager found dead on a beach in India tells | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
this programme about the guilt she feels since her daughter's | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
I will regret that decision for the rest of my life that I let her go to | :00:50. | :01:03. | |
that party. I wish more than anything I had said no and kept her | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
with us, but I cannot change the past. I have to accept it and get | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
on. Welcome to the programme, | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
we're live until 11 this morning. We have lots coming up this | :01:16. | :01:23. | |
morning on the show - what the biggest ever cyber hack | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
on the accounts of Yahoo customers means and what to do | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
if you may be affected. We are talking to two women | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
who are marching in Dublin tomorrow in protest at the abortion laws that | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
make it a criminal offence And we will keep you up to date | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
with any breaking news including the latest on those protests | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
in the American state of North Carolina over the shooting | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
dead of a black man. Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
and if you text, you will be charged under pressure to explain how it | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
failed to notice for two years what is thought to have been | :01:57. | :02:05. | |
the biggest cyber attack in history. The company has urged its customers | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
to consider changing their passwords after hackers stole information | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
from half a billion accounts. Yahoo said the breach | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
included names and emails, Our North America technology | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
reporter Dave Lee has more. Rumours that Yahoo had been hacked | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
had been circulating It was initially estimated that | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
200 million users may have been hit, but it's turned out to be much | :02:24. | :02:31. | |
worse than that. In terms of size, when we look | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
at some of the other mega breaches this year, things like LinkedIn, | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
MySpace was the big one - 360, this one is larger | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
than either of those. So it is unprecedented in terms | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
of the number of records impacted. Both Yahoo and the FBI | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
are investigating the Whatever the source or motivation, | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
the breach could have serious In July, the company was sold | :02:54. | :03:03. | |
to Verizon for $4.8 billion. But Verizon told the BBC it only | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
found out about the hack within the last two days | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
and it was now considering its own Questions are also being asked | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
about Yahoo's boss, Marissa Mayer, who has presided over | :03:17. | :03:25. | |
a decline of the company and the largest online | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
security breach in history. It is another sad chapter | :03:29. | :03:29. | |
for what was once the most popular With me now is our technology | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
reporter Chris Foxx. Tell us more about what has been | :03:33. | :03:48. | |
taken. People might be thinking, who even uses Yahoo? It has been on the | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
decline a long time but this data was stolen two may be more years | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
ago. The company said no credit card details have been stolen but that is | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
easy to change if they are stolen. It is harder to change your name, | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
date of birth, telephone number. That is the kind of thing stolen. | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
Fortunately, pass words were encrypted on the database and cannot | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
be read by anyone with access to the data. But crucially some of the | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
security questions on the website were not scrambled. When it ask you | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
thing is like your mother's maiden name. Those questions were in the | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
database in plain text for anybody to read which means if you have used | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
them on another website, go to the website and change your password. | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
Good advice not to reuse your password on other websites. The | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
information was put up for sale, what can be done with it? Usually it | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
is useful to harvest usernames, get passwords and tried them on other | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
websites. There might not be anything of interest in your | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
account, but if they can get into your PayPal account or e-mail, there | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
might be something lucrative. Each of these records were up for sale on | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
the dark web at less than 1p each. Not really of much value otherwise | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
the price would be higher. This happened in 2014. Why are we hearing | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
about it now? Yahoo says it has been investigating about it a long time. | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
People sometimes post fake breaches, posting millions of fake records on | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
the web. It has taken a long time for Yahoo to verify it is real. If | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
you are a Yahoo customer and you are hearing now to change your password | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
and it happened two years ago, you would think, that is a bit late. It | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
is embarrassing. Will damage already have been done? Yes, if someone has | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
your password from two years ago and you have reused it on the site, they | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
will be able to get in. Do not jest change the Yahoo password, change | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
all your passwords. -- just to change. | :06:07. | :06:07. | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
Rebel held areas of eastern Aleppo have come under renewed bombardment. | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
The attacks began after the Syrian government announced | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
a new offensive aimed at taking rebel-held areas - | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
also home to at least 250,000 civilians. | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
The latest violence comes as the United States | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
and Russia have failed, once again, to revive a ceasefire. | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
This is Aleppo through the eyes of its residents. | :06:29. | :06:36. | |
These unverified pictures were filmed as the Syrian | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
military announced a new offensive on the city. | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
The government warned people to stay away from what it called | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
As the week-long truce collapsed, the US and Russia held talks | :06:46. | :06:54. | |
Talks which delivered little but frustration. | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
We can't be the only ones trying to hold this door open. | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
Russia and the regime must do their part or this | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
The US says to restore the credibility of the truce, | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
those with air power in the conflict should stop using it. | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
But Russia countered that opposition forces also needed to stop fighting. | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
As a stalemate continues, so does the wait for those | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
in Aleppo in need of supplies of food and medicine. | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
Deliveries have been suspended since Monday's attack on a convoy | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
We hope to go to eastern Aleppo in the next days. | :07:31. | :07:38. | |
We have 40 trucks ready at the Turkish-Syrian border. | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
We need the government and the armed opposition groups to give us | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
all the assurances we need and we haven't gotten that by now. | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
The US and Russia will hold further talks today, but there | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
is little sign of compromise and little sign of peace | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
The family of a British schoolgirl murdered in India eight years ago | :07:56. | :08:06. | |
will today hear the long-awaited verdict on the two men accused | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
15-year-old Scarlett Keeling was on a six-month family holiday | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
when she was found dead on a beach in Goa. | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
Scarlett's mother, Fiona MacKeown, has spent eight years trying to get | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
justice for her daughter and has travelled to India for the verdict. | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
It is going to be the end of a huge struggle and a wait. | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
Even though it won't be completely the end, | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
because if it is a guilty verdict, they will appeal, | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
and if it is not guilty, hopefully the prosecution will appeal. | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
It is going to be the end of a long wait. | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
I usually think about her when it's quiet. | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
I think about how much she is missing. | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
Missing the other children growing up and missing my | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
I see her friends still, and they are the same | :08:53. | :09:01. | |
age she would have been out if she had been alive. | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
You can see that interview at around 9:30am. | :09:04. | :09:13. | |
Prosecutors in the US State of Oklahoma have charged | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
policewoman who shot an unarmed black man, with manslaughter. | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
Video footage has emerged showing the man walking away from officers | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
Meanwhile, protesters have defied a curfew put | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
in place in Charlotte, North Carolina, where people | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
have been gathering for the past three nights. | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
The demonstrations follow the killing of a black man | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
by police on Tuesday, but officers decided | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
against enforcing the curfew, as protests were largely peaceful. | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
There have been calls for footage of the shooting to be released, | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
People who are tricked into transferring money | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
from their bank accounts to fraudsters deserve better | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
protection, according to the consumer group, | :09:54. | :09:54. | |
It's made a so-called 'super-complaint' which forces | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
financial regulators to look at whether the public should be | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
given more protection, as our business correspondent | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
To people like Christopher in York, it seems our bank | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
He was tricked by e-mail into sending a ?10,000 house deposit | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
to a fraudster posing as his estate agent. | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
It's just like being burgled at home. | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
Something is missing and you can't get it back. | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
The scammer was so clever in that the first e-mail was exactly | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
the same details to what came from the estate agents. | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
In trying to deal with bank transfer fraud, Which? | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
wants an investigation into the scale of the problem and, | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
crucially, greater liability for banks so customers are better | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
Where the liability has been shifted to the banks, | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
we have seen them take some really good steps in credit and debit cards | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
We haven't seen that same action with bank | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
transfers and that's because, we believe, they are | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
Hello, it's Nigel Freeman from the bank. | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
Banks launched a campaign this week to warn people, | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
but their fraud body says reimbursing victims would be wrong. | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
If we refund willy-nilly it won't encourage anybody to be | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
careful and the whole point of our Take Five campaign | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
that we launched earlier this week is to try to get people | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
to understand how they can be scammed and how to stop | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
But tens of thousands like Chris have lost out. | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
Most never knew that it's often the customer who takes the hit. | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
The Prime Minsiter says that every effort must be made to stop | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
the legal system being abused over allegations of serious | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
Theresa May told defence chiefs she is determined to stop | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
vexatious claims being brought against the armed forces. | :11:48. | :11:49. | |
Two separate inquiries are investigating around 2,000 | :11:50. | :11:51. | |
allegations against troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
There's no evidence that plans to expand grammar schools in England | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
will raise overall educational standards, | :12:01. | :12:01. | |
The Education Policy Institute argues the policy could also widen | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
the attainment gap between rich and poor children. | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
The government has rejected the findings and says new grammars | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
will help every child fulfil their potential. | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
The FBI says it's gathering information about an alleged | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
incident involving the Hollywood star Brad Pitt and his children | :12:24. | :12:25. | |
It said it was still evaluating whether to launch an investigation. | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
The actor's wife, Angelina Jolie, filed for divorce on Monday, | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
She's asked for physical custody of their six children. | :12:34. | :12:41. | |
A British man who lived as a goat in the Alps for three days has won | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
one of this year's Ig Nobel prizes - the spoof awards which recognise | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
amusing or sometimes bizarre scientific research. | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
Tom Thwaites said the artificial limbs he made to walk and trot | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
with the goats could help the design of equipment for humans. | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
A study which examined the personalities of rocks | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
was also honoured - as were the team who examined why | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
the world looks different when you bend over and look at it | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
It takes all sorts! More from me at 9:30am. What was going through that | :13:09. | :13:20. | |
goat's mind as he watched him? If your loved one was in the | :13:21. | :13:32. | |
vegetative state with no hope of recovery, what would you do? And who | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
should decide who to turn off life support? Let us know your thoughts. | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
And let us know your thoughts on everything you have been -- we have | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
been talking about this morning. We'll start with cricket | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
because we have a really exciting conclusion on our | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
hands to the season. Yes a dramatic finale of the County | :13:54. | :14:04. | |
Championship rumbles on for a fourth and final day. Somerset beat | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
Nottinghamshire and they can win the title for the first time in their | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
history, but only if today's match between Yorkshire and Middlesex ends | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
in a drawer. Yorkshire aiming for a third straight title and yesterday | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
showed nerves against Middlesex, but soon got into their groove with a | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
century by Tim Bresnan, which help to guide Yorkshire towards the bonus | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
points needed to keep the title chase alive. Play resumes at 10:30am | :14:31. | :14:38. | |
with Middlesex on 81-2, 39 runs behind. Whoever wins this will be | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
champions. Turning attentions to football now, | :14:41. | :14:40. | |
and Rangers and Celtic are going to meet in | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
the Scottish League Cup? In the semifinals and it will be the | :14:43. | :14:52. | |
second old firm derby in as many months. Celtic thrashed Rangers 5-1 | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
in the premiership a couple of weeks ago and the latest clash will be on | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
the 22nd or 23rd of October. Aberdeen are through to the last | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
four after beating St Johnstone. It was a late goal by Adam Rooney that | :15:07. | :15:14. | |
gave them the win. They play Morton next, in their first League Cup | :15:15. | :15:15. | |
semifinal in 37 years. Finally Jessica, if you're | :15:16. | :15:17. | |
booking a skiiing holiday in the years to come, | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
you could be asked to help out It is an interesting initiative from | :15:20. | :15:30. | |
the governing body, British ski and snowboard, encouraging people to | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
donate to British winter sports when they book skiing holidays or by ski | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
equipment. The chief executive wants better financial investment for the | :15:40. | :15:49. | |
Winter Olympics counterparts. He is suggesting a ?1 contribution from | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
holiday-makers could transform Britain's fortunes in future Winter | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
Olympics. At the Sochi games, Jenny Jones won a bronze medal in the | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
snowboard, the first British Olympic medal on snow and that success has | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
led to an increase in participation but at elite level athletes are | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
struggling financially compared to more dominant nations. That is all | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
the sport. Just after 10am, I will have a Paralympic champion with me, | :16:20. | :16:20. | |
Kadeena Cox. If your loved one was in a permanent | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
vegetative state with no hope Would you want to withdraw | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
treatment, or would you want Regardless of your answer, | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
that decision is not in your hands. It instead lies with medical teams | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
and the Court of Protection, something families and campaigners | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
say needs to be stopped In a moment, we'll talk to people | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
who have experienced this predicament with a loved one, | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
as well as experts on the issue, but first, Sanchia Berg joins us | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
now. , Sanchia, what is a permanent | :16:51. | :17:02. | |
vegetative state, the condition we are talking about? Many people will | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
be familiar with a coma, where someone is asleep and they show no | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
signs of response. The next step from that is a vegetative state, | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
whether our cycles of sleeping and waking, the eyes will open and move, | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
but they are not responding to the environment or the people around | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
them. The stage after that is called minimally conscious state, and that | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
is where people showed more signs of responsiveness, but again, it is a | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
long way from being conscious. When it comes to vegetative states, | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
doctors can determine that someone is in a permanent vegetative state | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
either 12 months after a traumatic injury, or six months after a | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
non-traumatic incident, such as Jodie Simpson, who took an overdose. | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
We will be speaking to Jodie's family in a moment, but if someone | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
is in that situation and the family decided his time to withdraw | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
treatment, who gets to make the call and what happens? It is complicated. | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
You might remember the case of Tony Bland, a football fan left in a coma | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
after Hillsborough. His doctors saw no prospect of him improving, he was | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
in a vegetative state. They went to the courts to decide and it went all | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
the way to the house of Lords. They determined that doctors could remove | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
his feeding tube, because this constituted treatment. As the | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
treatment wasn't helping him, they could withhold that, and that way, | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
he could die. When they made the decision, the house of lords said it | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
would be good practice for other cases like this to come to the | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
courts. So ever since, there has been the practice of doctors | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
repairing these cases up to the court of -- referring these cases up | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
to the Court of protection to make a decision. If you look at the | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
guidance from the Royal College of physicians, they will say it is | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
English law that you have to take these cases to the Court of | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
protection. But I have spoken to a leading lawyer at the Court of | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
protection who has been looking there are closely at this, and he | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
says it is not for but it has become a very well established practice. It | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
is not a convert of process with someone saying that you can't have | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
your wish is granted? This is a good point. We're not talking about | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
families who don't want the feeding tube taken away. We're talking about | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
families who very sadly have accepted that there is almost no | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
prospect of their relative recovering. They have come to this | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
decision and agree with the doctors. Where families do want to continue | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
feeding, if there is a dispute, it should go to the courts. No one is | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
arguing about that. Thank you, Sanchia. We can now speak to Jean | :20:00. | :20:08. | |
Simpson, Jodie's more the -- mother, and her brother. Also with us, | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
Professor Jenny Kitzinger who has written a report | :20:14. | :20:14. | |
on the families experience, and Professor Derick | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
Wade, a consultant in neurological rehabilitation. | :20:17. | :20:17. | |
Jean, your daughter Jodie was in a permanent vegetative state | :20:18. | :20:31. | |
thank you for speaking to others about what has obviously been a very | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
difficult decision for your family. How difficult a decision was a? I | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
thought she should not be in that condition. From my nursing | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
experience, I knew she would not get any better. I knew by the damage | :20:49. | :20:59. | |
that was done that it was metabolic, irreversible damage. We just faced a | :21:00. | :21:10. | |
future of her never improving but her body being alive. We had no | :21:11. | :21:21. | |
hope. Michael, Jodie was in that state. You had obviously taken the | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
decision as a family and reconciled yourselves to it - what then | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
happens? It took a lot of time to come to that decision. I was quite | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
happy that she was still here at first, but I did not know the impact | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
of the situation she was going to be in and the toll it would take on the | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
family and that it would lead us to this decision. Pretty soon, perhaps | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
a year after the accident, I knew then that for the rest of the | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
family, for myself and everybody, and Jodie herself, we had to take | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
this decision. It sounds like you both had a slightly different | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
reaction at the beginning. It was only through my experience. I think | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
I alienate it quite a few people by not having hope from the beginning, | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
but I did know, through my nursing experience, that it wasn't going to | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
get any better. I think it came across quite hard to some people, | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
and it did cause friction that I thought she should not be here now. | :22:25. | :22:32. | |
All I could see was years and years of heartache ahead. When everyone | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
did end up being agreed on it, did you expect it to take so long? No. | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
I've spent most of the last format years at loggerheads with various | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
authorities that were in charge, if you could call it in charge. I was | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
talking to Sanchia, and she was saying it is not convert, it is a | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
process where it is deemed to be best practice that when a decision | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
is taken to withdraw treatment in this situation, the Court of | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
protection is involved. Did you feel you were fighting? I did feel as if | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
I was fighting the professionals, the medics. I did a lot of research. | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
I have come across people like this in my working life, but they were in | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
situations where they were in their own homes. The situation was under | :23:25. | :23:34. | |
control. I wasn't involved in the dynamics of everyday life, I maybe | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
went in to do a dressing. To see my daughter lying there, day in, day | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
out, with no hope of recovery, I felt I was banging my head against a | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
brick wall a lot of times. I felt that the trust had just come after | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
ten weeks in hospital, put her in a room and funded it full stop. I had | :23:55. | :24:06. | |
to push for a meetings. My aim at the very beginning was for her not | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
to live like this. What did that do to the family? It destroyed us. | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
Yeah, it affected everybody differently. People had different | :24:19. | :24:26. | |
opinions. I have brothers and sisters, and everybody's opinion, | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
until you're in that situation and UC Jodie as we were, day in, day | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
out, lying in that same situation, you cannot understand why we had to | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
come to that decision. Us to continue and get on with our lives, | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
we had to say goodbye to her in her physical form. Even though her | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
spirit, I believe, had left format years ago. And you were being | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
dragged through a process that had gone on for years? At first, we felt | :24:54. | :25:04. | |
guilty. It was not our decision to make, anyway, which eased the | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
tension a little bit. Can you explain that? We could not make the | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
decision about whether they would withdraw treatment or not. So that | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
helped in the end? It did. You didn't feel as though you were | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
pushing for her to pass away. With that in mind, how do you see the | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
process? You felt it helpful that the doctors and the courts had an | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
involvement because it takes the weight off you a bit, but the | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
process is prolonged. How would it work best? It was the way that it | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
was handled that it made it prolonged. They did not follow the | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
guidelines they should have. Let's bring in Jenny, because you have | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
been researching Jodie's situation and you have had personal experience | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
in your own family. Your sister suffered a brain from. You're an | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
academic who has been looking at all the issues around this. What is | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
perspective? I and my colleagues have researched with 75 individuals, | :26:10. | :26:19. | |
around 45 families, and this situation is happening all over | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
England and Wales, families who slowly, over time, come to decide | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
that their loved one would not want to live like that. And the doctors | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
are in agreement that it is futile. Instead of the doctors being able to | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
make the decision with the family, there is this lengthy and | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
complicated process of preparing for court, and often, the doctors and | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
funding bodies involved don't know quite how to do that, and it drags | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
on for years, adding unnecessary, I would say, assault to the patient. | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
It could actually be resolved with proper expertise and care, without | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
involving the court. Can that actually be achieved, Professor | :27:00. | :27:08. | |
Wade? Can someone do it in a swift way? I think they can, if they want | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
an expectation if not an actual requirement to go to court. Jean is | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
quite correct, the decision that, the final decision, is made by the | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
clinical team, not Mrs hourly the doctor. And the family's role is to | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
advise the clinical team on what the person concerned would want, and | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
that is correct. If, having made that decision, they could then | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
execute that decision and decide to withdraw treatment of whatever the | :27:39. | :27:47. | |
changes, it would be very much easier that the clinical team is | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
advised they have to go to court, and they don't necessarily have that | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
expertise will stop and nobody else has that expertise, solicitors | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
don't. So the whole thing drags on. Why does it have to go to court with | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
Mike if it has been going on for appearing of time and every is no | :28:07. | :28:15. | |
hope of recovery,... I don't believe it does have to go to court. In the | :28:16. | :28:22. | |
case of Tony Bland, the court said that cases should come. We also said | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
the process should be developed so that they did not need to come, but | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
it was never developed. A practice direction was sent around in 2015. | :28:32. | :28:40. | |
How binding is a practice direction? Could it be tested? I am not a | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
lawyer, so I can't say how binding it is. My understanding is that it | :28:47. | :28:55. | |
is binding and we have to go to court. Did you look at doing it that | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
way, Jean, trying to avoid the Court of protection? Yes. Did you get very | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
far? At first, when you don't know much about it, you want to be guided | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
by the experts. But eventually, it dawned on me that I don't think they | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
knew what they were doing. I was researching and telling them | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
different things I had found on the internet is about expert witnesses, | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
what the court would require, even how long they could make a | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
diagnosis. They could have made a diagnosis in six months will stop | :29:32. | :29:38. | |
because of botched ups, it took to make years to get a diagnosis. | :29:39. | :29:51. | |
Avila has tweeted: I would not want to be kept alive by a machine if I | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
was in that state it is not a life. Another says: There should not be a | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
grey area around the law for people in aid permanent vegetative state. | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
How difficult is it when you're trying to second-guess what someone | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
would have wanted? We weren't second-guessing. It was what the | :30:16. | :30:17. | |
your evaluation was? We knew she would not want to live | :30:18. | :30:29. | |
in this condition. It was a living death. She did not have a drink of | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
water in four years. What was she like? She was a vibrant personality. | :30:36. | :30:43. | |
She enjoyed life. I had a conversation with her three, four | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
weeks before what happened, talking about a case, a gentleman with | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
locked in syndrome. She said, if I were in that situation, shoot me. | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
She was blase, but we did not expect something like this to happen four | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
weeks later. Knowing my sister and how she lived her life, how full of | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
life she was, and she has no quality-of-life, and like my mum | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
said, she could not take a drink of water. There is no response. It was | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
not a life. And to see her in that situation, it is not a life for us. | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
Extraordinary you have that conversation with her. It is ironic, | :31:27. | :31:34. | |
looking back. When a family have had a conversation like that and they | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
can say to the doctors, this is how she would have felt, how is that | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
treated? It is not legally binding. It is taken into account in their | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
best interest decision and so those wishes are weighed in the balance | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
with things like sanctity of life and the doctors' views. The only way | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
to make sure your wishes take precedence is to write down in a | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
living will. If she had said if I am in a vegetative state and I do not | :32:06. | :32:13. | |
want... That would be legally binding. At six months she could've | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
been diagnosed and been allowed to die with peace and dignity as the | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
family believed she would have wanted. One reviewer said my sisters | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
and I had to decide about withdrawing aid and it is hard to | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
see your family falling apart and we are not sure we made the right | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
decision. Is there hope, when someone has been like that a long | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
time, that they can recover? They may have thought they made a | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
decision that they were misinformed by the medical team. The decision is | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
a health care decision, they advise, they do not decide. If they were led | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
to believe they were making a decision, that is incorrect and | :32:56. | :33:04. | |
demonstrates the general failure for most people to know and understand | :33:05. | :33:06. | |
the law, but coming back to hope, it is true to say on occasion people | :33:07. | :33:13. | |
change after the time that so-called permanence has been achieved, but | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
the change is small, very rare and rarely worthwhile. I think we have | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
to understand there is uncertainty in medicine and we expect a degree | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
of certainty in this situation never achieved in any other aspect of | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
medicine, the degree of certainty about how conscious someone is and | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
the degree of certainty about what the future will hold. The balance of | :33:40. | :33:50. | |
probability is still will not change after six months. And you do not | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
think it is the wrong decision? I was resolute. I did know, by | :33:56. | :34:04. | |
reading, researching, it was not our decision to make. It was whether we | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
agreed or disagreed, but it was not our decision to make. Thanks for | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
coming in. We've had this statement | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
from the Ministry of Justice. A female police | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
officer in Oklahoma is charged with manslaughter after shooting | :34:17. | :34:45. | |
dead a black suspect. We'll talk to activists | :34:46. | :34:54. | |
who's been protesting about the issue in Charlotte - | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
where another black man And we talk to a mother whose | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
fifteen year old daughter was raped and killed during a family holiday | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
to Goa eight years ago. Today a court in India | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
returns its verdict on the two men Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
with a summary of the news. The internet giant Yahoo is under | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
pressure to explain how it failed to notice for two years | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
what is thought to have been The company has urged its customers | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
to consider changing their passwords after hackers stole information | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
from half a billion accounts. Yahoo said the breach | :35:31. | :35:32. | |
included names and emails, The Syrian city of Aleppo has | :35:33. | :35:34. | |
come under a fresh wave Rescue workers say they have seen | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
Russian warplanes over the city. There were heavy attacks overnight; | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
as the Syrian government announced a new offensive to take | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
the rebel-held east of the city. The latest fighting comes | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
as the United States and Russia - at talks in New York - | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
failed to revive a ceasefire. Prosecutors in the US State | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
of Oklahoma have charged a white policewoman who shot an unarmed | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
black man, with manslaughter. Video footage has emerged showing | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
the man walking away from officers Meanwhile, protesters | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
have defied a curfew put in place in Charlotte, | :36:12. | :36:18. | |
North Carolina, where people have been gathering | :36:19. | :36:20. | |
for the past three nights. The demonstrations follow | :36:21. | :36:22. | |
the killing of a black man by police on Tuesday, | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
but officers decided against enforcing the curfew, | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
as protests were largely peaceful. There have been calls for footage | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
of the shooting to be released, The chief executive of Sports Direct | :36:33. | :36:47. | |
has resigned and will be replaced by founder Mike Ashley. The company has | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
attracted criticism over working practices after it emerged staff at | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
warehouses were paid less than the minimum wage. It is not clear why he | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
has left. The Prime Minister says every effort must be made to stop | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
the legal system being abused over allegations of serious misconduct by | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
UK troops. Theresa May said she is determined to stop vexatious claims | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
brought against the Armed Forces. Two separate enquiries are | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
investigating 2000 allegations against troops who served in Iraq | :37:21. | :37:23. | |
and Afghanistan. That's a summary of the latest | :37:24. | :37:23. | |
BBC News - more at 10. Middlesex resume against Yorkshire | :37:24. | :37:35. | |
in a dramatic finale to the County Championship. They are on 81-2 in | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
the second innings and a win for either team will secure the title. | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
Aberdeen complete the line-up for the Scottish League Cup semifinals | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
after beating St Johnstone. They will play Morton and Rangers Celtic | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
in the other match. A rusty Ronnie O'Sullivan has been knocked out of | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
the Shanghai Masters, losing to fellow Englishman Michael Holt in | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
his first tournament since the World Championships in April. | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
Holiday-makers are being asked to fund British Olympians when they | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
booked trips abroad. The governing body British ski and snowboard will | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
set up a fund the customers to donate when they book their | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
holidays. I will be back just after 10am. | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
Scarlett Keeling, a 15 year-old British girl, | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
was found dead on an Indian beach in 2008. | :38:27. | :38:28. | |
More than eight and a half years later, a verdict on the two men | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
accused of killing her is finally due later this morning. | :38:33. | :38:34. | |
Her mother, Fiona, has been battling for justice ever since Scarlett | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
was found raped and murdered on a family holiday to Goa. | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
Earlier I asked her how she was feeling as she awaited the verdict. | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
I've got no idea what the outcome will be. | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
What has it been like being there through the court process? | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
It's quite hard work, it's quite harrowing. | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
It's very different to our systems at home. | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
It's just a little room, and everybody sort of crams into it. | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
And have you felt that you have faith in the system there? | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
I have to have faith that there will be some decent | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
You had to fight to actually get to this stage, didn't you? | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
Because initially the police said that Scarlett's death | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
You had to fight to get it investigated beyond that. | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
Looking back, how do you feel about what you have had to go | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
I think the police lying at the beginning and the government | :39:39. | :39:53. | |
backing them up at the time has made this whole thing much worse than it | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
What did it take for you to actually keep pushing? | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
Scarlett's memories and just the fact that she was a good kid | :40:01. | :40:09. | |
and she enjoyed life and was looking forward to her future. | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
Tell us more about Scarlett and what she was like. | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
She wanted to be more grown-up than she was. | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
She used to sing at the top of her voice in the supermarket. | :40:22. | :40:33. | |
She used to ride horses a lot - we had horses - and she loved that. | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
We used to swim, all of us used to get into the sea | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
Go back to the moment, if you will, when you were on the family holiday | :40:43. | :40:50. | |
and it ended up in a situation where Scarlett was in | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
She'd wanted to go to a Valentine's party. | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
I had let her stay behind with Julio to work for a period of time, | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
providing he brought her down to join us. | :41:09. | :41:10. | |
And Julio was a family friend, was he? | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
He was a guy that we'd met, yes, and I'd questioned him | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
about his intentions with Scarlett, and he had a girlfriend, | :41:17. | :41:24. | |
She was good for business and that they were | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
friends, and it was quite believable, you know? | :41:29. | :41:30. | |
He was giving her good food and making sure | :41:31. | :41:32. | |
she went to bed early, things like that. | :41:33. | :41:34. | |
He convinced me that he was being a good carer for her. | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
He used to take my other children out with him for breakfast as well, | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
And so you felt comfortable leaving Scarlett | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
I'd seen the room she was going to be staying in, | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
I had dinner with the aunts, we've been over there | :41:51. | :41:52. | |
It seemed like a safe environment, yeah. | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
You have been criticised by people who said you should | :41:58. | :41:59. | |
No one will obviously understand how you have run through the scenarios | :42:00. | :42:07. | |
in your head over and over again, no doubt, over the years. | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
on the beach on her own or with her 29-year-old boyfriend. | :42:11. | :42:23. | |
He wasn't her boyfriend, and I didn't leave her on her own. | :42:24. | :42:25. | |
So I try not to take what they say personally. | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
And, you know, obviously I'll regret that decision for the rest | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
of my life that I let her go to that party. | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
I wish more than anything I said no and kept her with us, | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
but I can't change the past and I have to accept it and get on. | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
Is it something that you have beaten yourself up about? | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
A little, I guess. A little, I guess. | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
It didn't help with, you know, the wrong facts coming out | :42:58. | :43:00. | |
and people criticising me about things that weren't true. | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
Have you had... What sort of support have you had? | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
You've got a big family, haven't you? | :43:13. | :43:13. | |
Yes, and I've got family and friends that support me. | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
The press in India are very supportive, | :43:19. | :43:20. | |
they want the same outcome as I do. | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
Yeah, no, I've got lots of friends that give me support. | :43:25. | :43:33. | |
What difference will the verdict today make to you? | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
Well, it's going to be the end of a huge, a huge sort of struggle | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
Even though it won't be completely the end, because if it's a guilty | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
verdict they will appeal, and if it's not guilty, hopefully | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
So it's going to be the end of a long wait. | :43:50. | :43:56. | |
Eight years since Scarlett was killed. | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
Do you live with it every day? | :44:03. | :44:03. | |
And when do you think, and what do you think? | :44:04. | :44:19. | |
I usually think about her when it's quiet. | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
I think about how much she's missing. | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
She is missing the other children growing up, | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
missing my grandchildren, and she's missing, you know... | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
I see her friends still, and they're the same age | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
that she would have been now if she had been alive. | :44:41. | :44:42. | |
So, you know, I think about that sort of thing. | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
Is it hard being back there in India? | :44:46. | :44:47. | |
It makes it all fresh in my mind so, yeah, of course it's hard. | :44:48. | :45:00. | |
And how have your other children coped with what's happened? | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
You know, I'm sure it's changed them. | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
They've got on with their lives, obviously, they are | :45:08. | :45:09. | |
They were all little when they were out here. | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
I don't know, really. It hasn't made me not trust people, it hasn't made | :45:15. | :45:40. | |
me wary. I've always got a fear that I could lose another child. My boys | :45:41. | :45:47. | |
ride motorbikes, I think that is quite normal. After today, what will | :45:48. | :45:54. | |
you do? Hopefully we will celebrate, get a guilty verdict. Otherwise, we | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
will go with plan B, try to think of something else. | :46:01. | :46:12. | |
We're expecting the verdict after 10am, and we will bring it to you as | :46:13. | :46:25. | |
we get it. Thousands of people are demonstrating in Ireland for | :46:26. | :46:27. | |
abortion to be legal. We will speak to people on both sides of the | :46:28. | :46:30. | |
debate. With the controversy continuing | :46:31. | :46:32. | |
about Great British Bake-off leaving the BBC and many of its stars | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
leaving the show altogether, we'll talk to the stars of bake-off | :46:36. | :46:37. | |
programmes around the world. The nation's favourite baking couple | :46:38. | :46:45. | |
has been cast asunder, who will step into Mary's shoes and can they hope | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
to capture the same kind of magic with Paul and another person? | :46:50. | :47:03. | |
What gives the moisture here? It is the beef fruit and the wine. Sorry, | :47:04. | :47:19. | |
Ian. You've got your own freezer, haven't you? It has all melted. Why | :47:20. | :47:26. | |
would you take it out of the freezer? How was it looking? Soup. | :47:27. | :47:40. | |
Nadia! CHEERING | :47:41. | :47:54. | |
And then, some rather special marron glace to go on top of it. | :47:55. | :47:57. | |
It's baked perfectly, you haven't got too much of a soggy bottom. | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
I'd like you just to colout it. It doesn't look appetising. | :48:01. | :48:02. | |
What you have done basically is you have made | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
You can see the mottled effect on the top. | :48:09. | :48:16. | |
We can speak now to fellow Bake Off judges | :48:17. | :48:43. | |
And from Istanbul, Turkish Bake Off jugde Emel Basdogan. | :48:44. | :48:58. | |
I just want to read out a few comments from twitter. | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
Tom asks: Is the proof in the product or the people? | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
Will be interesting to see how the ratings stack up between #GBBO | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
Ali says: Come on, BBC, get Mary, Mel and Sue signed up | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
How about James Martin to replace Paul? | :49:16. | :49:17. | |
Tony jokes: The BBC are planning a GBBO rival, will it | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
Imagine the chemistry between Mary Berry and James May. | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
She says the BBC is to launch a rival Great British Bake Off show | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
And "BB" speaks for a lot of other comments online - | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
What do you think was my people will have their ideas about who should | :49:38. | :49:47. | |
partner up and watch it happen, but it is the end of an error. It is, | :49:48. | :49:56. | |
but it could be -- the end of an era. Yellow might there is a magic | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
when you have a successful show that is about the relationship between | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
the presenters and the public, and we have lost that. By pulling it | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
apart, it won't be the same, but that does not mean it can't be | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
better or that it can't work with advertising. Maybe there is a future | :50:13. | :50:28. | |
for Bake Off. It does work in other parts of the world with different | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
judges. Absolutely. What was your relationship with your fellow judge? | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
Does everyone try to mimic Mary and Paul? Kind of, except I was Mary and | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
she was Paul! I was the sweet one. And Carey, the Simon Cowell of cake, | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
was the cross one. She sounds scary. He's worked in the best | :50:49. | :50:55. | |
bakeries in the world. There is a tenderness, so intense, | :50:56. | :50:57. | |
so rich, so inviting. Gorgeous, chewy, | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
blindingly inventive. Completely different, the whole look | :51:03. | :51:19. | |
and everything. The music, the colour. So much colour. Let's look | :51:20. | :51:27. | |
at the Turkish version. What is it like with your setup? Were you aware | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
of Mary and Paul when you came along with the Bake Off in Turkey? Were | :51:33. | :51:40. | |
you trying to emulate that? None of us was Paul or Mary. We had eight | :51:41. | :51:54. | |
totally authentic... Music and -- if these gang dance are not included, | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
life is missing something. We had more cheerful manner. I was a very | :51:58. | :52:09. | |
cheerful teacher who is very strict and disciplined. No stretching of | :52:10. | :52:18. | |
the culinary rules. But it was full of music and dancing. My partner is | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
a very charming and soft hearted person. We have been looking at the | :52:25. | :52:31. | |
pictures of part of your show, and it does have a different look. And | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
as you say, it involves dancing. Is it the judges who set the tone of | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
something like that? It is strange, because in the first half of my | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
life, I never danced. I was too shy. In the second half, I included | :52:51. | :52:58. | |
dancing, which boosted my life, health, joy, success and everything. | :52:59. | :53:08. | |
From that day on, even if you see me in the supermarket, look for a woman | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
who is dancing. You screen tested with Mary. It could have been me. I | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
would have chosen Paul - those blue eyes. Very magnanimous of you! What | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
difference does it make to their way as show unfolds, with the dynamic | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
between the presenting team and the focus on the tone of the show? | :53:31. | :53:40. | |
The producers are looking for different points of view. If you | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
people with different attitudes and different appearances, maybe they | :53:45. | :53:47. | |
present a more diverse set of opinions about the cake, the tart, | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
the beautiful lemon meringue pie. I love that. Maybe we offer something | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
completely different. Who do you sort of see? We were reading out | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
text from viewers and everyone has an opinion on who should be paired | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
up with Paul and who should be paired up with Mary. Should it be a | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
similar dynamic as Mike does it need to be an older woman with Paul and I | :54:14. | :54:22. | |
younger man with Mary? Nigella and Paul, we might see. Even a Hollywood | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
star or something. I think they will have to make it more glitzy and | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
punchy. At the BBC, we can make things eloquently and really good. I | :54:33. | :54:42. | |
always think of commercial stations as far and somehow and the lack of | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
advertising at the British. Does the fact that the format has been | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
successful around the world show that it is the format is the star | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
and not the presenters? It can be, because people around the world love | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
baking. Sometimes producers miss this. The thing that we love, from | :55:00. | :55:07. | |
the tweets we were hearing, is that they are baking things on TV that | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
you can do at home, and they can identify with the failures and | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
successes. Who knew that baking would be so dramatic? Most of us, if | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
we do it at home, it is a leisurely, relaxing pursuit. In Turkey, does it | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
have viewers on the edge of their seats like it does here? Are you | :55:26. | :55:35. | |
talking to me, Victoria? I am. The drama - who knew that it could be so | :55:36. | :55:44. | |
dramatic? It can be, but we also need variety. I think it is an | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
entertainment, even when we are baking at home. A TV show like Bake | :55:51. | :56:02. | |
Off, which is so entertaining, can be open to more varieties. I agree | :56:03. | :56:14. | |
with Michael that the change can be key to diversity and new excitement. | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
They can be quite a different process that can be included in the | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
show. As we said, you did a similar thing in Australia, where the Bake | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
Off was switched from one channel to another. In that case, it went to a | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
channel with adverts to one without, and brand-new presenters. What | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
happened to the show's ratings? I have to be honest, they fell, partly | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
because... Was that gratifying? Yes! It's difficult, because each time, | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
you are playing with the magic that makes your show successful. When you | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
move it, you know, hopefully, it will be OK. Ian has tweeted: Channel | :56:59. | :57:09. | |
4 has rocked the public to play Paul. You have some experience of | :57:10. | :57:16. | |
the show on a channel with adverts. How did that work? Fans are worried | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
about what the adverts might mean for Bake Off here. For a lot of | :57:22. | :57:27. | |
viewers, the history and the stories behind recipes are an important part | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
of it. You need something before the advert breaks. Unless you extend the | :57:32. | :57:38. | |
time. You can, but it is locked into advertising. You don't think there | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
is much hope that? No. It is about creating a tension and a dynamic | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
before the advert breaks that everyone comes back and waits to | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
find out what happened. How does it work in Turkey? With the changes, | :57:53. | :58:02. | |
how do you mean? Do you have advert breaks? There is a lot of concern | :58:03. | :58:07. | |
that there will be advert breaks in Bake Off, and it is seen as | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
sacrosanct that there are not. I did not get your question. Say it again, | :58:14. | :58:19. | |
please. Don't worry. I'm going to ask you again, Dan. Would you screen | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
test again? Absolutely. Wouldn't everybody? What could the BBC do? Is | :58:25. | :58:35. | |
it obvious what the format could be on a baking show that would not be | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
too closely aligned to the format? That could run into difficulties. | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
People always ask what happens to the cakes. Of course, the crew eats | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
all the cakes. Perhaps it could be done in a different way, where we | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
brought the public in more, perhaps baking for a hospital or a school, | :58:54. | :59:00. | |
or guys working on oil rigs or something like that. We could be | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
helping in a different way. It could be about all of Britain rather than | :59:05. | :59:09. | |
a paddock somewhere in the south. This sounds good. You should pitch | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
it after you leave here! Thank you both very much. Just a reminder that | :59:14. | :59:22. | |
we have a special programme... I thought we were talking about Bake | :59:23. | :59:25. | |
Off, but it is something different altogether - the Labour leadership | :59:26. | :59:26. | |
election. It's on BBC Two and the BBC | :59:27. | :59:33. | |
News Channel from 11am. Let's get the latest weather | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
update with Matt Taylor. Let us know about who you think | :59:37. | :59:46. | |
should partner up alongside Mary and Paul. Let's get the weather with | :59:47. | :59:48. | |
Matt. Temperatures were down to one or two | :59:49. | :00:00. | |
Celsius in parts of the country but it was a glorious start with a lot | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
of sunshine around. Exceptions most notably around South Wales. Some | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
showers so far, but mostly dry but a changes on the way for Scotland and | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
Northern Ireland. Cloud behind me turning sunshine increasingly hazy | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
and by the afternoon, splashes of rain. Showers in South Wales should | :00:24. | :00:30. | |
ease. Into the afternoon there will be more cloud around but sunny | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
spells in much of England and Wales. East Anglia and the south-east will | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
not be as warm as yesterday but with a gentle breeze, feeling pleasant. | :00:42. | :00:50. | |
Sunshine turning hazy across North Wales and Northern End him. Hazy | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
sunshine in eastern parts of Scotland. West of Scotland and | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
Northern Ireland a different picture. Rain, heavy and persistent | :01:00. | :01:09. | |
in parts of Scotland. With it comes stronger to gale force winds. | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
Persistent rain returning to the west later here. For many, a dry | :01:13. | :01:20. | |
night and temperatures holding up for many because we have low | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
pressure pushing the weather. It is dragging up with it warmer air from | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
the near continent, particularly Iberia. Temperatures holding up by | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
night and feeling reasonably warm by day. Sunshine to begin with in | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
England and Wales and eastern Scotland, elsewhere, a wet day. | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
Strong winds. Rain pushing into western parts of Wales and England. | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
But pleasantly warm in the South east corner. Saturday night into | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
Sunday, winds shunted out of the way by the weather front that brings | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
rain overnight and introduces westerly winds on Sunday morning. | :02:07. | :02:15. | |
Temperatures cooler. In East Anglia and the south-east, rain eases away | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
to sunshine. The rest of the country, sunshine and scattered | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
showers but a blustery wind. Enjoy your weekend. Hello, it is | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
Friday, it is 10am. Welcome to the programme. Coming up before 11. | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
Hackers have stolen details of more than half a billion Yahoo customers | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
worldwide in the biggest security breach ever committed. | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
But why has it taken nearly two years for the company to explain how | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
names, email addresses, and phone numbers were stolen in the scam. | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
are expected to take to the streets calling | :02:48. | :02:58. | |
in Ireland as thousands of women and girls travel to the UK every | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
The mud slinging continues in the Hollywood divorce of former | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
golden couple Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie. | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
Here's Annita McVeigh in the BBC Newsroom | :03:08. | :03:23. | |
The internet giant Yahoo is under pressure to explain how it failed | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
to notice for two years what is thought to have been | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
The company has urged its customers to consider changing their passwords | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
after hackers stole information from half a billion accounts. | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
Yahoo said the breach included names and emails, | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
If you have questions or concerns about cyber security you can put | :03:42. | :03:51. | |
those two at internet expert who will be here to answer them for you | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
at 11:30am on the BBC News Channel. You can get in touch via Twitter or | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
text questions. The Syrian city of Aleppo has | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
come under a fresh wave Rescue workers say they have seen | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
Russian warplanes over the city. There were heavy attacks overnight | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
as the Syrian government announced a new offensive to take | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
the rebel-held east of the city. The latest fighting comes | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
as the United States and Russia - at talks in New York - | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
failed to revive a ceasefire. Prosecutors in the US State | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
of Oklahoma have charged a white policewoman who shot an unarmed | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
black man with manslaughter. Video footage has emerged showing | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
the man walking away from officers We have love and forgiveness but | :04:34. | :04:48. | |
that does not excuse the crime. I truly believe in accountability and | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
there are consequences to action. And so again, we are just thankful | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
that the TPD, the mayor, they did their full investigation and this is | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
a small victory for us. Meanwhile, protesters | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
have defied a curfew put in place in Charlotte, | :05:07. | :05:07. | |
North Carolina, where people have been gathering | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
for the past three nights. The demonstrations there follow | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
the killing of a black man by police on Tuesday, | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
but officers decided against enforcing the curfew, | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
as protests were largely peaceful. There have been calls for footage | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
of the shooting to be released, The family of a British schoolgirl | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
murdered in India eight years ago will today hear the long-awaited | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
verdict on the two men accused 15-year-old Scarlett Keeling | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
was on a six-month family holiday when she was found dead | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
on a beach in Goa. Scarlett's mother, Fiona MacKeown, | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
has spent eight years trying to get justice for her daughter and has | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
travelled to India for the verdict. It is going to be the end of a huge | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
struggle and a wait. Even though it won't be | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
completely the end, because if it is a guilty verdict, | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
they will appeal, and if it is not guilty, | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
the prosecution will appeal. It is going to be | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
the end of a long wait. I usually think about | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
her when it's quiet. I think about how | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
much she is missing. Missing the other children growing | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
up and missing my I see her friends still, | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
they are the same age she would have The chief executive | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
of Sports Direct has resigned. Dave Forsey will be replaced | :06:26. | :06:36. | |
by the company's The company has attracted criticism | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
over its working practices, after it emerged that staff | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
at its warehouses were paid less It's not clear why | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
Mr Forsey has left. The FBI says it's gathering | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
information about an alleged incident involving the Hollywood | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
star Brad Pitt and his children It said it was still evaluating | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
whether to launch an investigation. The actor's wife, Angelina Jolie, | :06:55. | :07:05. | |
filed for divorce on Monday, She's asked for physical custody | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
of their six children. A British man who lived as a goat | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
in the Alps for three days has won one of this year's Ig Nobel prizes - | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
the spoof awards that recognise amusing or sometimes | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
bizarre scientific research. Tom Thwaites said the artificial | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
limbs he made to walk and trot with the goats could help the design | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
of equipment for humans. A study that examined | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
the personalities of rocks was also honoured - | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
as were the team who examined why the world looks different | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
when you bend over and look at it I find it hard to keep a straight | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
face when reading that one! That's a summary of the latest BBC | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
News - more at 10.30. I cannot imagine what he deemed that | :07:49. | :07:59. | |
we could not glean more easily. We are talking about calls for abortion | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
in Ireland to be made legal. Thousands are marching in Dublin on | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
Saturday. Let us know your thoughts and everything else we have been | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
talking about. We were talking about the Great British Bake Off and we | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
would like to know who you think should partner with Mary Berry if | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
they continue a baking show on the BBC. Hashtag Victoria Live is always | :08:21. | :08:28. | |
useful if you want to put out your views. | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
Over to Jessica. Good morning, I am joined by a Paralympic champion in | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
not just one book two sports. Kadeena Cox is with me to reflect on | :08:39. | :08:47. | |
an incredible couple of weeks. We will start in the Velodrome when you | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
won A gold medal, what was your reaction? Anybody who saw it saw how | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
emotional I was. It was the one to get with a double. To get the gold | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
medal in the cycling. My hard work paid off. I had done it. On the | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
track in the 400 metres, what possessed you to do two sports at | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
one Olympics? It just happened that way. When I got back into running, I | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
could not run and I got on the cycling bike and was looked at by | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
British Cycling and they took a pause and I got back into running | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
when they paused and then they came back and I ended up doing two. Are | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
you aware of history you have made? The first British Paralympian to win | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
the gold medal in two sports in 28 years. Were you aware of that | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
history? I was. A lot of people have mentioned it. There was not going | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
around on media before the games. Initially I was trying to do | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
something different but I did not know it had not been done for long. | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
Tell me how you got into Paralympic sport. It is two years yesterday | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
since my MS diagnosis and in September 2014, following a strict | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
diagnosis I got an MS diagnosis. My coach, he was a para coach. My coach | :10:19. | :10:27. | |
said he would do anything to get me into any form of running and I just | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
cracked on with it. MS is something that is aggravated by exercise, what | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
effect does that have on trading and how you feel after competing? It is | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
a balancing act. I have worked with the physio, doctors, physiologists, | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
because it does send my body into a crazy mode. I get muscle spasms and | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
during training, I can start to walk oddly. My arms start to spasm. It is | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
tough, but we do a lot of high-quality stuff and not as much | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
training, just to prevent too much fatigue from spasms. As much as it | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
aggravates your MS, where do you think you would be without sporting | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
your life? I do not think I would have survived without sport. It stop | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
me going into depression and struggling with my diagnosis. I had | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
sport to get me through. It gave me something to work for and everything | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
I have done is to promote MS and show other people there are amazing | :11:37. | :11:49. | |
things you can do after a diagnosis. It is not a death sentence, there is | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
so much you can do. I have loved getting back into sport. Two years | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
ago, I probably did not think I would be in this position. Carrying | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
the flag at the closing ceremony, that must've been an honour? I not | :11:59. | :12:05. | |
expect it. You dream about the medals and winning and world | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
records, but having the opportunity to be flag bearer did not cross my | :12:10. | :12:16. | |
mind. When I was called down by Penny Briscoe, I thought I was in | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
trouble! Siva is like, we have something good to tell you. I was | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
like, are you serious? Having an amazing games with so many amazing | :12:27. | :12:36. | |
performances, to lead out with the flag, it was an honour. I was lost | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
for words. Thanks for joining us and we hope to see you competing against | :12:43. | :12:44. | |
scene. Back to you. The internet giant, Yahoo, | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
is under pressure to explain how it failed to notice for two years | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
what is thought to have been The company has urged its customers | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
to consider changing their passwords after hackers stole information | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
from half a billion accounts. Yahoo said the breach | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
included names and emails, Robert Schifreen is a former | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
computer hacker, now editor of the IT safety website | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
Security Smart - he joins us Thanks for joining us, can you | :13:10. | :13:21. | |
understand why it has taken two years for this to emerge? Frankly, | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
no, it should not have taken this long. Yahoo has known about it a | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
couple of years. There have been rumours that someone on the dark web | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
has been trying to sell Yahoo accounts. Why it has taken so long | :13:37. | :13:45. | |
we do not know and they owe it to us to explain why and also to have | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
explained as soon as possible their accounts have been hacked. We needed | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
to change our passwords. People might not have changed passwords | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
when if they had known about it they would've done. Two years on, people | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
are told to change their passwords, but if any damage was going to be | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
done, would it be done already? To an extent, if you have changed it | :14:09. | :14:15. | |
recently, change it again in case a hacker was watching you change it | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
the first time. If you have used the same password on other systems, such | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
as banking and shopping, change those passwords and in future did | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
not use the same password on multiple accounts and then if | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
hackers get one system, they have one and not all of your accounts. | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
The passwords were encrypted. The hackers do not have passwords, but | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
other information was not encrypted, such as security questions. If | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
everything were encrypted, with this issue arise? It depends how well it | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
was encrypted and when they -- where they stored the passwords to | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
encrypted. They need passwords and private information to check what we | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
have typed in is correct so somewhere on the system would be | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
encrypted information and also passwords to break the encryption. | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
Because the hackers have a two year head start, they may have been able | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
to crack the encryption. We generally are seeing that happening, | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
if someone gets a database of encrypted passwords, within weeks | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
and months they can crack up to 80% of them so it is good they encrypted | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
the passwords, but the fact the hackers had a head start is | :15:36. | :15:36. | |
worrying. And Yahoo says it believes the | :15:37. | :15:46. | |
hacking was state-sponsored. If that is the case, who might be behind it | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
and why? That is interesting. They would be interesting if Yahoo told | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
us which country they thought did it, which they are not saying. You | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
would want to know which country has an interest in getting hold of 500 | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
million Yahoo accounts. It might be a country that doesn't like the US | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
much and wants to destabilise its reputation as being secure. It might | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
want to destabilise the deal led Yahoo is currently being sold. It | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
seems odd to me, and if it is true, Yahoo needs to release more details. | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
Thank you for joining us, Robert. Still to come: We are expecting the | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
verdict shortly in the trial of the two men accused of murdering | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
50-year-old Scarlett Keeling on a beach in Goa. As soon as it happens, | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
we will bring you that. Thousands of people are expected | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
to take to the streets of Dublin this Saturday, | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
as part of the Rise and Repeal march, which calls for abortion | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
in Ireland to be made legal. A woman can only terminate her | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
pregnancy if her life or long term and girls in Ireland - | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
that's just over nine people a day - travelled | :17:01. | :17:10. | |
to the UK for a termination. Last month, two women made headlines | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
when they live tweeted their journey The social media account | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
Two Women Travel was set up by a pregnant Irish | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
woman and her companion. They told Ireland's leader | :17:20. | :17:21. | |
Enda Kenny that theirs That they were following in | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
the footsteps of other Irish women Pro-choice campaigns are calling | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
on the Irish government to repeal the Eighth amendment - | :17:30. | :17:42. | |
which equates the right to life of a pregnant women | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
with that of a foetus. Let's talk now to Janet O'Sullivan | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
from Abortion Writes Campaign, the And Katie Ascough - | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
a pro-life campaigner. I will come to you first, Janet, | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
because you are organising this campaign. You travelled to London as | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
a teenager for an abortion yourself, and you told no one but your | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
immediate family about it for many years, but now you campaign. Tell us | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
about your journey that has led you to this point. Good morning. Thank | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
you for having me on. If I can clarify, abortion is only available | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
in Ireland if there is immediate risk to life, not on health grounds. | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
We cannot change our laws until we repeal the eighth Amendment. I've | :18:28. | :18:35. | |
spoken about having travelled for an abortion when I was 18 and having an | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
unplanned pregnancy. It is different from what it is now. We didn't have | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
the internet. Abortion information is heavily restricted, and for years | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
I didn't know I was one of 170,000 people who travelled from Ireland | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
and give an address in Ireland when they go for an abortion in England. | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
It affects birthrights as well as abortion rights. Medical consent in | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
pregnancy, it has wide reaching effects. We need to end the shame | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
and stigma around abortion. It takes women speaking out before the law | :19:12. | :19:19. | |
gets change. We saw women in France speaking out before France legalised | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
abortion, the same in Germany and the USA. I am one of the people who | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
has been speaking out in the last few years to break the stigma and to | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
change our laws. Katie, you are a 20-year-old student in Dublin and | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
you think that abortion should remain illegal. Why? When we talk | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
about the eighth Amendment and what campaign groups are pushing for, | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
they are pushing for wide-ranging abortion, abortion in any case and | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
at any time against station -- any time during gestation. We know that | :19:55. | :20:03. | |
is what people in Ireland don't want. We see babies being aborted | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
because of a diagnosis of Down's syndrome or array cleft palate. That | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
is not what we are looking for. It is building up a culture where lives | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
like my own brother's don't matter. I had the privilege of meeting my | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
brother, who was 13 weeks developed. I was already pro-life, but I was | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
shocked at how fully formed he was at 13 weeks. He had five fingers | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
with fingernails. The most standout feature was a fully formed ER, | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
really tiny. And it would be a shame for the Irish people to lose the | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
eighth Amendment and to lose what has protected the lives of | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
thousands. In our report, it has been shown to have protected over | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
100,000 lives in Ireland, and it would be a shame to see that lost, | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
and it is not what the Irish people want. We need to talk about what | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
repealing the amendment would do, what it would apply to, whether it | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
was restricted abortion or wider abortion. We have seen that wider | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
abortion is not what the Irish people want. You are putting a lot | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
in there, so I want to put some of it back to Janet. When you hear | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
Katie describe having seen a brother, a feat is a 13 weeks, fully | :21:22. | :21:29. | |
developed, how do you react? -- a foetus. Most abortions take place in | :21:30. | :21:43. | |
the first nine weeks with pills. Those medicines should be available | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
to anyone in Ireland who wants to end a pregnancy instead of women | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
having to take them illegally and wasting a 14 year criminal sentence. | :21:51. | :21:59. | |
These medicines are used routinely for an incomplete miscarriage. They | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
are the best option for people. We need to have the referendum, repeal | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
the eighth Amendment, then we need to look at legislation and policy | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
for the type of services people need in Ireland. Katie, would you support | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
a referendum? Should people just be able to have their say? You have | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
said what the polling indicates, but why not a referendum? If we had it | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
tomorrow, it would be a huge injustice to the Irish people, | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
because we haven't seen a there debate on this issue. We had one of | :22:36. | :22:44. | |
the biggest demonstrations in Ireland ever in 2013, and I was | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
hardly any media coverage for it, unfortunately. We need to have a | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
fair debate on this issue. Importantly, we need to be talking | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
about what we would be repealing. Removing the eighth amendment could | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
really open the doors... In fact, what the abortion rights campaigners | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
are pushing for... To be clear, if there were a referendum, there would | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
be time in the run-up for there to be a full and open debate. Would you | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
then accept a referendum? I would hope so. This is what we have been | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
seeing so far will stop the march for choice on Saturday say that they | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
are backed by student unions. I have seen this student unions the | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
incredibly biased. Let's bring Janet back. The floodgates won't open. | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
Irish law will stay the same and that the heart of that is the 1841 | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
abortion law, which is Victorian, the same law we have in Northern | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
Ireland and the republic. When we repeal, the law stays exactly as it | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
is. Abortion will only be legal if there is immediate risk to the life | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
of the pregnant person. When it comes the legislation, we have seen | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
that Government after Government has been very slow in Ireland about | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
doing this. There was drafted legislation there. By not having | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
proper legislation we are violating human rights. We are out of step | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
with the rest of the world in terms of women's right. A court ruled that | :24:23. | :24:30. | |
not allowing abortion is not compatible with the human rights of | :24:31. | :24:38. | |
women. -- a UN committee. They have been bullying the Irish people about | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
their abortion laws. It is this same committee... A court came to the | :24:44. | :24:55. | |
same conclusion. I will leave the UN alone then. There have been cases | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
where parents have been told that 100% their child will not live, and | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
some of those children are alive today. One example is Grace, whose | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
parents were told she would not survive, and she is now taking | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
swimming lessons. It can be upsetting. Would you be completely | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
against abortions in any of those scenarios - rape or incest? Those | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
are two of the most healers and abhorrent crimes towards women, and | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
when it comes to the eighth Amendment and the abortion issue, we | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
are not looking... That is not what the abortion rights campaigners are | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
looking to, they want wide-ranging abortion. It is a distraction from | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
what is really at stake and what is really being pushed forward, and the | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
Irish people deserve to know that. We deserve to know the facts about | :25:52. | :26:01. | |
abortion. We can see from scans... We are almost out of time. Janet, on | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
that point, how do you respond to what Katie is saying about them not | :26:07. | :26:14. | |
having been a proper debate? Irish broadcast laws are strict about how | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
this issue has to be represented and how there have to be ballots. | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
Whether the debate is fair or not, it is technically very balanced. -- | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
we have to have balance. We know it will take a long time to get there. | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
Most abortions happen in less than the first ten weeks. We're looking | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
forward to asking people to join us tomorrow. The march starts at 1:30pm | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
in the garden of remembrance at Parnell Square. Some breaking news | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
to bring you. We are hearing that the two people who were being tried | :26:49. | :26:56. | |
in India for the rape and murder of Scarlett Keeling, the 15-year-old, | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
in 2008, have been cleared. A judge has cleared the two defendants of | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
the rape and murder of Scarlett Keeling in 2008. You may have seen | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
my interview with her mother, Fiona, just prior to that verdict being | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
delivered. She has been out there for the court hearing. She had to | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
push for her daughter's killing two initially be investigated as a | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
murder. Police said it was an accidental death initially, but | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
sheep washed for further investigations, and that is what has | :27:36. | :27:43. | |
led to this court case. She was speaking -- but she pushed for | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
further investigations. We will try to speak again to Fiona | :27:48. | :28:04. | |
if we can, in the wake of that verdict. Those two men, found not | :28:05. | :28:15. | |
guilty. Let's catch up with all the day's news. | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
The internet giant Yahoo is under pressure to explain how it failed | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
to notice for two years what is thought to have been | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
The company has urged its customers to consider | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
changing their passwords after hackers stole information | :28:31. | :28:31. | |
Yahoo said the breach included names and emails, but no | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
If you have any questions or concerns about cyber security | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
you can put your questions to internet expert Grant Paling. | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
He'll be here to answer them for you here at 11:30 | :28:43. | :28:44. | |
You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This - | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
The Syrian city of Aleppo has come under a fresh wave | :28:50. | :28:56. | |
Rescue workers say they have seen Russian warplanes over the city. | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
There were heavy attacks overnight as the Syrian government announced | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
a new offensive to take the rebel-held east of the city. | :29:06. | :29:07. | |
The latest fighting comes as the United States and Russia - | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
at talks in New York - failed to revive a ceasefire. | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
Prosecutors in the US State of Oklahoma have charged a white | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
policewoman who shot an unarmed black man with manslaughter. | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
Video footage has emerged showing the Terence Crutcher | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
walking away from officers in Tulsa with his hands in the air. | :29:27. | :29:36. | |
Meanwhile, protesters have defied a curfew put | :29:37. | :29:38. | |
in place in Charlotte, North Carolina, where people | :29:39. | :29:40. | |
have been gathering for the past three nights. | :29:41. | :29:42. | |
The demonstrations there follow the killing of a black man | :29:43. | :29:44. | |
by police on Tuesday, but officers decided | :29:45. | :29:46. | |
against enforcing the curfew, as protests were largely peaceful. | :29:47. | :29:48. | |
There have been calls for footage of the shooting to be released, | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
The Prime Minsiter says that every effort must be made to stop | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
the legal system being abused over allegations of serious | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
Theresa May told Defence chiefs she is determined to stop | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
"vexatious" claims being brought against the armed forces. | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
Two separate inquiries are investigating around 2,000 | :30:06. | :30:07. | |
allegations against troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. | :30:08. | :30:17. | |
That is a summary of the latest news. Join me for BBC newsroom live | :30:18. | :30:26. | |
at 11am. We can go back to the breaking news, two men accused of | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
killing a British teenager Scarlett Keeling on a beach in India have | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
been cleared of her murder. We can bring in our correspondent. The | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
verdict is just through. Tell us more about how long the process has | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
taken for it to get to court. It has been going on eight years. It will | :30:45. | :30:51. | |
be devastating news for Scarlett Keeling's mother. I met her in | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
October 2008, once after her daughter's death and she said then | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
she vowed she would try to get justice for her daughter. It has | :31:03. | :31:10. | |
been a lengthy process and Fiona McKeown has been out to India many | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
times. This is not the verdict she wanted. Scarlett Keeling's body was | :31:14. | :31:25. | |
found in 2008 on the beach in Goa. The student from Devon has been at a | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
Valentine's Day beach party. Her mother left her there while the | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
family continued travelling around India. She thought she was safe with | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
the people they had met and she was staying with. A postmortem showed | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
there was ecstasy, cocaine and LSD in her daughter's body and at the | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
time Fiona McKeown had to push to get the postmortem because the | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
authorities initially said it was an accidental death. That Scarlett | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
Keeling had drowned. Following a lengthy investigation, two local men | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
were charged with causing her death. In the past few minutes they have | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
been found not guilty of that. It is alleged they plied her with drugs, | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
raped her and left her unconscious and then she subsequently drowned, | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
but both men have always denied charges of culpable homicide and | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
grievous sexual assault. Scarlett Keeling was found with 50 separate | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
injuries in the attack that was heard in the children's court. We | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
understand because the men have not been found guilty, India's top | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
investigating agency, the Central bureau of investigation, is expected | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
to challenge the ruling. It will mean today's verdict is not the end | :32:51. | :32:57. | |
of this very long case. We are hoping to speak to Fiona again, we | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
spoke to her before that verdict. Now we can catch up with the sport. | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
Middlesex resume against Yorkshire in the dramatic finale to the County | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
Championship. 81-2 in the second innings and a win for either team | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
will secure the title. Aberdeen complete the line-up for the | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
Scottish League Cup semifinals after beating St Johnstone and will now | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
play Morton. Rangers play Celtic in the other match. A rusty Ronnie | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
O'Sullivan has been knocked out of the Shanghai Masters, losing to | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
Michael Holt. His first tournament since the World Championships in | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
April. Holiday-makers are asked to fund British Olympians when they | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
booked trips abroad. The governing body British ski and snowboard will | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
set up a fund for donations when people book their skiing holiday. | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
Thanks. After two nights of violence, | :33:55. | :34:02. | |
police in Charlotte North Carolina chose not to strictly enforce | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
a curfew aimed at ending the protests which have followed | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
the killing of a black suspect A largely peaceful protest of | :34:08. | :34:09. | |
several hundred people took place. Police maintain that they believed | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
43-year-old Keith Scott was carrying a gun when he was shot dead, | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
but his family say he His family's lawyer said a video | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
of the incident showed that Mr Scott was making no aggressive moves | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
towards police in the moments before Meanwhile, in Oklahoma, | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
a woman police officer has been charged with manslaughter | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
after shooting dead The incidents have reignited | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
the debate over the police Charlotte's police chief said he | :34:41. | :34:57. | |
would not release the video of the killing to the public. | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
What I can tell you that I saw, and I was very clear | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
when I talked about this before, is the video does not | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
give me absolute definitive visual evidence that... | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
That would confirm that a person is pointing a gun. | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
I did not see that in the videos that I've reviewed. | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
So what I can tell you, though, is when taken | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
in the totality of all the other evidence, it supports what we've | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
heard in the version of the truth that we gave about the circumstances | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
that happened that led to the death of Mr Scott. | :35:32. | :35:41. | |
We can talk to a lawyer offering to take on cases of people who have | :35:42. | :35:50. | |
been arrested while demonstrating. It seems the protests have become | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
more peaceful. Were you involved? I was involved in the protest that had | :35:57. | :36:05. | |
heavy police involvement and did get violent and resulted in the death of | :36:06. | :36:13. | |
a protest. The protests tonight were completely different. The energy was | :36:14. | :36:20. | |
different. Why do you think that is? I think people were impulsive and | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
angry last night and there was a lack of involvement from the people | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
who lead us in the community, from clergy, from leaders in the | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
community. It was people who were very disappointed. The police chief | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
said he is determined to get to the bottom of this and has let the | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
family see a video of what happened but will not release it to the | :36:48. | :36:53. | |
public. Are you confident it is being handled correctly? No. I | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
personally am not as a private citizen and as an attorney, I think | :37:01. | :37:07. | |
a large portion of unrest here stems from a lack of transparency. The | :37:08. | :37:16. | |
decision not to release does not quell vat. Does not quell vat of | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
unrest in certain portions of the population. Is it actually clear | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
whether Keith Scott was carrying a gun or whether it was a book? It is | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
not clear at this point. His family has stipulated he did not habitually | :37:35. | :37:42. | |
carry a firearm and what is more important is that North Carolina is | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
an open carry state, which means it is legal, if you legally have a | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
firearm that is licensed to you it is legal for you to have that gun | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
visible. What is not the goal is to point or brandished a gun at anyone, | :38:00. | :38:11. | |
specifically a police dash dash-macro what is not legal is to | :38:12. | :38:22. | |
point or brandish that gun. Why has it not been clarified? The family | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
has stipulated... I just read this article from a news network in the | :38:29. | :38:36. | |
states. The gun that would have all could have been used, if there was | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
any, would have been small and from the angle of the film, as the police | :38:42. | :38:49. | |
chief said, you are not capable of distinguishing, at this point. I am | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
not sure what enhanced analysis could be done to that video at a | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
later time. How does trust get restored now? By transparency. | :39:00. | :39:12. | |
Policing in the United States is broken. There are good people who | :39:13. | :39:18. | |
are police officers but it is difficult to be a good police | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
officer when policing is corrupt. People of colour are | :39:24. | :39:34. | |
disproportionately targeted by police and the justice system as a | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
whole. I think we need clear directives from not only local | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
agents and involvement with community leaders working in | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
conjunction with police, but also at federal level there needs to be | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
oversight and I think that has been and will continue to be a large | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
portion of the upcoming election and how the electorate decides to cast | :40:02. | :40:09. | |
their vote. Thanks for joining us. Some breaking news. We hear that | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
Christopher Halliwell has been sentenced to a whole life order at | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
Bristol Crown Court for the murder of Becky Godden. He is 52 and | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
already serving a life sentence for the murder of Sean O'Callaghan, who | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
he abducted in his taxi as she headed home from a night out in | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
Swindon in 2011. He was already serving a life sentence for that and | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
as he was sentenced today for a second murder he was facing a whole | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
life order and that is what we are hearing he got. He confessed to | :40:48. | :40:55. | |
killing Sean O'Callaghan. He took -- Sian O'Callaghan. He took police to | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
her body and that was when he led them to Becky Godden, who had been | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
missing. He later denied murdering Becky Godden, but he was convicted | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
after a two-week trial at Bristol Crown Court at which he represented | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
himself. We can bring in our correspondent who has been following | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
the case. He has been given a whole life order, what does that mean? We | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
expected this to happen because Christopher Halliwell since 2012 has | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
been serving a life sentence in jail. Pleading guilty to murder in | :41:34. | :41:42. | |
2012, given 25 years minimum term. He would have been in jail until he | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
was about 70 but now he has been convicted to a second murder, that | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
of Becky Godden, and the judge said there is no need him to impose a | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
minimum term, which means basically he has a whole life sentence. It | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
started in 2011 when Christopher Halliwell was arrested over the | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
disappearance of Sian O'Callaghan a 22-year-old who went missing in | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
Swindon. He led police a field in Oxfordshire, where you see the large | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
chalk horse carved into the hillside. He showed them where he | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
had dumped her body but then something strange happened because | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
at that point he said to police, there is another one, I have killed | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
somebody else. He said it was a prostitute he had abducted in | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
Swindon in 2003 and on that same day he led police to another field 20 | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
miles away Gloucs. He showed them where to dig. He paced out into the | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
field and said if you dig there you will find another body and they did. | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
They identified the bones they found to be those of Becky Godden. | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
Christopher Halliwell was tried for the murder of Sian O'Callaghan and | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
then tried for the second murder of Becky Godden, found guilty and now | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
we know he will spend the rest of his life in prison. Those two | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
murders were eight years apart and police are looking potentially at | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
whether he did anything else between those two. That is right. They have | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
openly speculated they do not know what he might have been doing in the | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
eight years between. They do not know if the murder of Becky Godden, | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
last seen in 2003, whether that was his first. They have openly | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
speculated that they thought he may have been active in those eight | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
years and afterwards. The man in charge of the murder inquiries said | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
although he had no direct evidence to link Christopher Halliwell to any | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
other murders, they were looking at potential missing people to see if | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
there were similarities because there were similarities between | :43:59. | :44:06. | |
Becky's and Sian's murder, they were both stripped, strangled and buried, | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
Sian was not buried, but hidden in undergrowth and it was thought he | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
would go back to bury her but was caught before he could. He was a | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
taxi driver, often driving people to Heathrow. Police enquiries are not | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
confined to Swindon, they are looking all over the country. It is | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
thought, perhaps, he could be responsible for more killings. | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
The Syrian military has announced a new offensive | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
in rebel-held eastern Aleppo, where a quarter of a million people | :44:36. | :44:37. | |
It comes after jets pounded rebel positions in the city on Wednesday | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
night as a week-old truce collapsed, reportedly killing | :44:42. | :44:43. | |
It is unclear whether the new offensive will | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
Meanwhile, talks between the US and Russia on reviving the collapsed | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
ceasefire have broken up without progress in New York. | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
Caroline Anning is the Humanitarian Emergencies Media Manager | :44:57. | :44:58. | |
She joins us by webcam from Antakya in Southern Turkey, | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
Now that the offensive is well and truly on-again, what your concerns? | :45:03. | :45:24. | |
We're hearing this morning from Aleppo is devastating. Our partners | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
are trapped. They can't even run ambulances. They were hoping to | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
visit her severely injured colleague, hurt in an air strike | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
yesterday, so we know there is violence in Aleppo currently. There | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
is no late getting into the city and other parts of the country. -- no | :45:43. | :46:01. | |
aid. Until you stop the violence... There were over 60 air strikes | :46:02. | :46:09. | |
between last night and this morning. Equipment and ambulances have been | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
destroyed, so it is almost impossible for people to help or to | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
bring a. We need a ceasefire to hold and then to be able to deliver aid. | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
They did not manage that in New York this week. The world leaders were | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
there and they could not find agreement. It is not good enough to | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
put your hands up and say, we could not help so all these people we be | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
trapped and bombed their game. They have to keep working to find a way | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
to get aid into those areas. We have seen lots of descriptions about what | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
life is like in Aleppo, which has been under siege for such a | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
prolonged period, but tell us the sorts of stories you hear. We're | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
hearing that children are malnourished and sick. Hospitals are | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
overwhelmed. When they take people in, there is blood on the floor, no | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
beds for anybody. I don't want to be too stark, but it is such an | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
unimaginably awful situation for people. Never is very little food | :47:10. | :47:22. | |
getting in. Yesterday, one of our people was injured in an air strike. | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
He's 25, a medic. His house was bombed as he was preparing for the | :47:27. | :47:33. | |
arrival of his first baby. He had just got the cot, baby clothes and | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
blankets, which are not able to get, and it was all destroyed and he had | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
to be taken to hospital. These tragedies are repeated day in, day | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
out, not just in Aleppo but all over Syria. There has to be more we can | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
do to help. Thank you for joining us. It is 13 minutes to 11th. | :47:52. | :48:02. | |
More trouble for Hollywood's star couple. | :48:03. | :48:03. | |
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie announced on Monday | :48:04. | :48:05. | |
Now, the FBI has said it is considering whether to launch | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
an investigation into an alleged incident on an aircraft carrying | :48:10. | :48:11. | |
According to gossip website TMZ, the allegations stem from a flight | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
last week when Mr Pitt is alleged to have got drunk. | :48:18. | :48:24. | |
We can speak to Caroline Frost, entertainment editor at the | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
Huffington Post. Every day brings a new level of drama in this break-up, | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
doesn't it? What is the latest with the FBI? I have to say, I have been | :48:36. | :48:42. | |
in Beverly Hills all week, and my phone is alive when I've flown into | :48:43. | :48:51. | |
London today. Either we are talking about Bake Off or Brangelina. There | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
was a hint that an incident happened last week that was because of the | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
breakdown of their marriage, and now what has become apparent is that it | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
culminated in a huge row on a private plane, flying to their | :49:07. | :49:15. | |
private home in France. The rumour is that Brad Pitt had a big row with | :49:16. | :49:23. | |
one of his children and was apparently wasted, the quote said. | :49:24. | :49:31. | |
The authorities are being forced, as they have two, to investigate. It | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
sounds dramatic. Because it happened in the air, that is where the FBI | :49:37. | :49:43. | |
has jurisdiction. It sounds like it all sort of suddenly ended in this | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
cataclysmic moment of drama, and prior to that, the perception had | :49:49. | :49:55. | |
been of this couple that were always out together, seen at red-carpet | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
events looking happy. Presumably, it doesn't happen like that. Were the | :50:01. | :50:06. | |
rumours for some time? Yes. If you think about how they started out, | :50:07. | :50:09. | |
they are almost a mirror image of each other. They were the glossiest | :50:10. | :50:16. | |
of the glossy. In the last two years, especially since Angelina | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
Jolie went through her double mastectomy, she has cut a much more | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
serious figure. We are far more likely to see her at the UN rat | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
refugee camps fulfilling her role for the UN. Brad Pitt has gone from | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
strength to strength in the acting world. His production company was | :50:33. | :50:41. | |
behind 12 Years A Slave. Who knows what goes on inside a marriage, but | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
they are on different paths. Are you surprised that it is playing out in | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
public? They could keep it quiet if they wanted, presumably. None of | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
them has said anything about the other in anything other than glowing | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
terms. Brad Pitt said a few years ago that choosing Angelina Jolie as | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
the mother of his children was the wisest thing he ever did. Angelina | :51:10. | :51:16. | |
Jolie has been utterly loyal, when perhaps other wives would have | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
differed. She said she loved Brad in all his forms, shapes and sizes. I | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
think this is why the media jumped on it, because it is such a | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
cataclysm of differing opinion. Hollywood being what it is, it will | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
split into two very polarised camps. It is obviously an environment where | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
they are both in the same business, and there are lots of events which | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
might require them both to be at the same Place, particularly the Oscars. | :51:45. | :51:52. | |
They did not appear on the same red-carpet for years with Brad | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
Pitt's ex-wife Jennifer Aniston until four five years ago, when | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
Jennifer Aniston had John Maher on her arm. It was a well-publicised | :52:03. | :52:09. | |
meeting of all of and Jennifer Aniston acquitted herself with | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
impeccable grace, beaming at them in the front row of the auditorium. | :52:15. | :52:20. | |
They are likely to cross. They have six children, which is a lot of | :52:21. | :52:27. | |
interwoven life still to come. Good to talk to you, Carolyn. Thank you | :52:28. | :52:28. | |
very much. Research that involved a British man | :52:29. | :52:30. | |
living in the Alps as a goat for three days has won one of this | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
year's Ig Nobel prizes. The spoof awards, which have become | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
almost as famous as the real Nobels, have just been handed out | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
at their annual ceremony at the prestigious American Harvard | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
University. Other studies honoured | :52:45. | :52:45. | |
during the event examined Thomas Thwaites | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
attended the ceremony The Ig Nobel prize for biology is | :52:49. | :52:58. | |
awarded jointly to Charles Foster and Thomas Thwaite, for creating | :52:59. | :53:05. | |
prosthetic extensions of his limbs that allowed him to move in the | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
manner of and spent time roaming hills in the company of goats. Well, | :53:10. | :53:18. | |
other prizes this year include the psychology prize, which went to the | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
team... Other prizes this year include | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
the psychology prize, which went to the team that asked a thousand | :53:28. | :53:29. | |
liars how often they lied, and the chemistry prize was awarded | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
to Volkswagen for their efforts There's often serious intent behind | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
some of the research. Dr Helen Ashdown is | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
from Oxford University. She was awarded an Ig Nobel prize | :53:40. | :53:41. | |
last year for her study that looked at whether pain while going over | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
speed bumps can be used to help I brought along my prize so that you | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
can have a look. Hold it up and explained what it is. This is one of | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
the Ig Nobel prizes. Do you keep it on the mantelpiece? Yes, proudly. We | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
realised that lots of patients coming to hospital with suspected | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
appendicitis who then went on to have a diagnosis said that the | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
journey to hospital had been really painful and that they had pain going | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
over speed bumps, and we wanted to test that and see if it was true, | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
backing it up with real research evidence. We set up a study to find | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
out. Wasn't it obvious what the answer would be? So, we found that | :54:27. | :54:33. | |
of the patients we looked at who had suspected appendicitis, 97% of those | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
who went on to have appendicitis had had pain going over speed bump, and | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
that is important because it means that it is an excellent ruling out | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
test, which means that if you don't have pain, it is unlikely that you | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
have appendicitis. People think that appendicitis would be easy to | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
diagnose, but it is not. Anything that can help doctors to narrow down | :54:56. | :55:03. | |
the diagnosis is really helpful. So it is really interesting, then. It | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
has been a bit ridiculous because of the fact that you got the Ig Nobel, | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
but actually, it has a good scientific basis. Totally. And the | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
Ig Nobel prizes are supposed to be research that first makes you laugh | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
but then makes you think. There is pretty much always a serious side to | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
the research. The findings are being used across the world, which is nice | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
to see. And that is what we wanted to do, to do research that would | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
make a difference to people and to patients but that would actually be | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
also quite fun. What do you make of the goat guy, then? Can you see | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
something serious there? I haven't had a chance to read what he has | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
done in detail. It looked interesting, what he was doing | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
pretending to be different animals. A great way to spend time. | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
Obviously, you showed us your trophy, and you are proud of it, but | :56:03. | :56:10. | |
what does it do in terms of getting people talking about the sort of | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
things you are doing? So, the response has been overwhelmingly | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
positive to the Ig Nobel. It has been fantastic for getting our | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
research out around the world. The great thing about the speed bump | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
test is that it can be used in all sort of settings and it doesn't cost | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
money, so it is a fantastic diagnostic test in that sense. It | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
has been brilliant. People love to criticise something that sounds like | :56:37. | :56:38. | |
it is stating the obvious. Did it cost money to do that research? We | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
have had a few people criticising it, saying why is public money being | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
spent on this? It is not silly, because it makes a difference to | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
patients and helps the diagnose what can be a serious condition. All the | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
researchers did it in their own time, so we did not cost money. It | :56:58. | :57:02. | |
was great fun. So, is it something now that is rolled out when the | :57:03. | :57:11. | |
appendicitis diagnosis is being carried out? It depends on there | :57:12. | :57:15. | |
being speed bumps on the journey. Across Britain, there are speed | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
bumps everywhere up, and the majority of patients have travelled | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
over some sort of bump in the road which can be used. It is used as a | :57:25. | :57:30. | |
test quite widely across hospitals. The beauty of it is that the patient | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
doesn't need to be there in front of you. I am a GP, and we can use it on | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
the phone in talking to patients, asking them if they have been on a | :57:41. | :57:44. | |
journey and if they had pain. If they say it has been fine, and Oxon | :57:45. | :57:50. | |
has loads of speed bumps, we can say that it is pretty unlikely that it | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
is appendicitis, which is reassuring for the doctor Randy patient. | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
Interesting to talk to you, Helen Ashdown. Thank you very much. -- for | :57:59. | :58:09. | |
the doctor and the patient. An e-mail from Robert: The Bake Off is | :58:10. | :58:16. | |
no more. It is unlikely that Channel 4 will be able to recreate the | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
special alchemy that made the programme so successful, and why | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
would the BBC want to start again? Thank you for your comments. | :58:23. | :58:24. | |
Don't forget the programme with the full results of the Labour | :58:25. | :58:31. | |
leadership election 50 years ago, | :58:32. | :58:33. | |
they became superstars in astronomy, | :58:34. | :58:37. |