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Hello, it is Friday, it is 9am and welcome to the programme.

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Hackers have stolen details of more than half a billion Yahoo customers

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worldwide in the biggest security breach ever committed.

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But why has it taken nearly two years for the company to explain how

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names, email addresses, and phone numbers were stolen in the scam.

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When is the right time to withdraw treatment for someone

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who is in what is called a persistent vegatitive,

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Well the decision doesn't lie with families but with

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Relatives and campaigners say this needs to change.

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The mother of a British teenager found dead on a beach in India tells

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this programme about the guilt she feels since her daughter's

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I will regret that decision for the rest of my life that I let her go to

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that party. I wish more than anything I had said no and kept her

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with us, but I cannot change the past. I have to accept it and get

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on. Welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11 this morning. We have lots coming up this

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morning on the show - what the biggest ever cyber hack

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on the accounts of Yahoo customers means and what to do

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if you may be affected. We are talking to two women

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who are marching in Dublin tomorrow in protest at the abortion laws that

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make it a criminal offence And we will keep you up to date

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with any breaking news including the latest on those protests

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in the American state of North Carolina over the shooting

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dead of a black man. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged under pressure to explain how it

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failed to notice for two years what is thought to have been

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the biggest cyber attack in history. The company has urged its customers

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to consider changing their passwords after hackers stole information

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from half a billion accounts. Yahoo said the breach

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included names and emails, Our North America technology

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reporter Dave Lee has more. Rumours that Yahoo had been hacked

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had been circulating It was initially estimated that

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200 million users may have been hit, but it's turned out to be much

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worse than that. In terms of size, when we look

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at some of the other mega breaches this year, things like LinkedIn,

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MySpace was the big one - 360, this one is larger

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than either of those. So it is unprecedented in terms

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of the number of records impacted. Both Yahoo and the FBI

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are investigating the Whatever the source or motivation,

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the breach could have serious In July, the company was sold

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to Verizon for $4.8 billion. But Verizon told the BBC it only

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found out about the hack within the last two days

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and it was now considering its own Questions are also being asked

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about Yahoo's boss, Marissa Mayer, who has presided over

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a decline of the company and the largest online

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security breach in history. It is another sad chapter

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for what was once the most popular With me now is our technology

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reporter Chris Foxx. Tell us more about what has been

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taken. People might be thinking, who even uses Yahoo? It has been on the

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decline a long time but this data was stolen two may be more years

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ago. The company said no credit card details have been stolen but that is

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easy to change if they are stolen. It is harder to change your name,

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date of birth, telephone number. That is the kind of thing stolen.

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Fortunately, pass words were encrypted on the database and cannot

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be read by anyone with access to the data. But crucially some of the

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security questions on the website were not scrambled. When it ask you

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thing is like your mother's maiden name. Those questions were in the

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database in plain text for anybody to read which means if you have used

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them on another website, go to the website and change your password.

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Good advice not to reuse your password on other websites. The

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information was put up for sale, what can be done with it? Usually it

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is useful to harvest usernames, get passwords and tried them on other

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websites. There might not be anything of interest in your

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account, but if they can get into your PayPal account or e-mail, there

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might be something lucrative. Each of these records were up for sale on

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the dark web at less than 1p each. Not really of much value otherwise

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the price would be higher. This happened in 2014. Why are we hearing

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about it now? Yahoo says it has been investigating about it a long time.

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People sometimes post fake breaches, posting millions of fake records on

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the web. It has taken a long time for Yahoo to verify it is real. If

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you are a Yahoo customer and you are hearing now to change your password

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and it happened two years ago, you would think, that is a bit late. It

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is embarrassing. Will damage already have been done? Yes, if someone has

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your password from two years ago and you have reused it on the site, they

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will be able to get in. Do not jest change the Yahoo password, change

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all your passwords. -- just to change.

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Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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Rebel held areas of eastern Aleppo have come under renewed bombardment.

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The attacks began after the Syrian government announced

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a new offensive aimed at taking rebel-held areas -

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also home to at least 250,000 civilians.

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The latest violence comes as the United States

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and Russia have failed, once again, to revive a ceasefire.

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This is Aleppo through the eyes of its residents.

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These unverified pictures were filmed as the Syrian

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military announced a new offensive on the city.

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The government warned people to stay away from what it called

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As the week-long truce collapsed, the US and Russia held talks

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Talks which delivered little but frustration.

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We can't be the only ones trying to hold this door open.

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Russia and the regime must do their part or this

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The US says to restore the credibility of the truce,

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those with air power in the conflict should stop using it.

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But Russia countered that opposition forces also needed to stop fighting.

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As a stalemate continues, so does the wait for those

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in Aleppo in need of supplies of food and medicine.

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Deliveries have been suspended since Monday's attack on a convoy

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We hope to go to eastern Aleppo in the next days.

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We have 40 trucks ready at the Turkish-Syrian border.

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We need the government and the armed opposition groups to give us

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all the assurances we need and we haven't gotten that by now.

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The US and Russia will hold further talks today, but there

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is little sign of compromise and little sign of peace

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The family of a British schoolgirl murdered in India eight years ago

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will today hear the long-awaited verdict on the two men accused

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15-year-old Scarlett Keeling was on a six-month family holiday

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when she was found dead on a beach in Goa.

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Scarlett's mother, Fiona MacKeown, has spent eight years trying to get

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justice for her daughter and has travelled to India for the verdict.

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It is going to be the end of a huge struggle and a wait.

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Even though it won't be completely the end,

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because if it is a guilty verdict, they will appeal,

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and if it is not guilty, hopefully the prosecution will appeal.

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It is going to be the end of a long wait.

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I usually think about her when it's quiet.

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I think about how much she is missing.

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Missing the other children growing up and missing my

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I see her friends still, and they are the same

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age she would have been out if she had been alive.

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You can see that interview at around 9:30am.

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Prosecutors in the US State of Oklahoma have charged

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policewoman who shot an unarmed black man, with manslaughter.

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Video footage has emerged showing the man walking away from officers

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Meanwhile, protesters have defied a curfew put

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in place in Charlotte, North Carolina, where people

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have been gathering for the past three nights.

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The demonstrations follow the killing of a black man

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by police on Tuesday, but officers decided

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against enforcing the curfew, as protests were largely peaceful.

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There have been calls for footage of the shooting to be released,

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People who are tricked into transferring money

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from their bank accounts to fraudsters deserve better

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protection, according to the consumer group,

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It's made a so-called 'super-complaint' which forces

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financial regulators to look at whether the public should be

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given more protection, as our business correspondent

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To people like Christopher in York, it seems our bank

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He was tricked by e-mail into sending a ?10,000 house deposit

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to a fraudster posing as his estate agent.

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It's just like being burgled at home.

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Something is missing and you can't get it back.

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The scammer was so clever in that the first e-mail was exactly

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the same details to what came from the estate agents.

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In trying to deal with bank transfer fraud, Which?

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wants an investigation into the scale of the problem and,

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crucially, greater liability for banks so customers are better

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Where the liability has been shifted to the banks,

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we have seen them take some really good steps in credit and debit cards

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We haven't seen that same action with bank

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transfers and that's because, we believe, they are

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Hello, it's Nigel Freeman from the bank.

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Banks launched a campaign this week to warn people,

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but their fraud body says reimbursing victims would be wrong.

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If we refund willy-nilly it won't encourage anybody to be

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careful and the whole point of our Take Five campaign

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that we launched earlier this week is to try to get people

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to understand how they can be scammed and how to stop

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But tens of thousands like Chris have lost out.

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Most never knew that it's often the customer who takes the hit.

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The Prime Minsiter says that every effort must be made to stop

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the legal system being abused over allegations of serious

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Theresa May told defence chiefs she is determined to stop

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vexatious claims being brought against the armed forces.

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Two separate inquiries are investigating around 2,000

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allegations against troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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There's no evidence that plans to expand grammar schools in England

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will raise overall educational standards,

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The Education Policy Institute argues the policy could also widen

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the attainment gap between rich and poor children.

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The government has rejected the findings and says new grammars

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will help every child fulfil their potential.

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The FBI says it's gathering information about an alleged

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incident involving the Hollywood star Brad Pitt and his children

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It said it was still evaluating whether to launch an investigation.

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The actor's wife, Angelina Jolie, filed for divorce on Monday,

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She's asked for physical custody of their six children.

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A British man who lived as a goat in the Alps for three days has won

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one of this year's Ig Nobel prizes - the spoof awards which recognise

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amusing or sometimes bizarre scientific research.

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Tom Thwaites said the artificial limbs he made to walk and trot

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with the goats could help the design of equipment for humans.

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A study which examined the personalities of rocks

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was also honoured - as were the team who examined why

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the world looks different when you bend over and look at it

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It takes all sorts! More from me at 9:30am. What was going through that

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goat's mind as he watched him? If your loved one was in the

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vegetative state with no hope of recovery, what would you do? And who

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should decide who to turn off life support? Let us know your thoughts.

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And let us know your thoughts on everything you have been -- we have

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been talking about this morning. We'll start with cricket

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because we have a really exciting conclusion on our

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hands to the season. Yes a dramatic finale of the County

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Championship rumbles on for a fourth and final day. Somerset beat

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Nottinghamshire and they can win the title for the first time in their

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history, but only if today's match between Yorkshire and Middlesex ends

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in a drawer. Yorkshire aiming for a third straight title and yesterday

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showed nerves against Middlesex, but soon got into their groove with a

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century by Tim Bresnan, which help to guide Yorkshire towards the bonus

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points needed to keep the title chase alive. Play resumes at 10:30am

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with Middlesex on 81-2, 39 runs behind. Whoever wins this will be

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champions. Turning attentions to football now,

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and Rangers and Celtic are going to meet in

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the Scottish League Cup? In the semifinals and it will be the

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second old firm derby in as many months. Celtic thrashed Rangers 5-1

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in the premiership a couple of weeks ago and the latest clash will be on

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the 22nd or 23rd of October. Aberdeen are through to the last

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four after beating St Johnstone. It was a late goal by Adam Rooney that

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gave them the win. They play Morton next, in their first League Cup

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semifinal in 37 years. Finally Jessica, if you're

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booking a skiiing holiday in the years to come,

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you could be asked to help out It is an interesting initiative from

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the governing body, British ski and snowboard, encouraging people to

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donate to British winter sports when they book skiing holidays or by ski

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equipment. The chief executive wants better financial investment for the

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Winter Olympics counterparts. He is suggesting a ?1 contribution from

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holiday-makers could transform Britain's fortunes in future Winter

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Olympics. At the Sochi games, Jenny Jones won a bronze medal in the

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snowboard, the first British Olympic medal on snow and that success has

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led to an increase in participation but at elite level athletes are

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struggling financially compared to more dominant nations. That is all

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the sport. Just after 10am, I will have a Paralympic champion with me,

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Kadeena Cox. If your loved one was in a permanent

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vegetative state with no hope Would you want to withdraw

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treatment, or would you want Regardless of your answer,

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that decision is not in your hands. It instead lies with medical teams

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and the Court of Protection, something families and campaigners

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say needs to be stopped In a moment, we'll talk to people

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who have experienced this predicament with a loved one,

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as well as experts on the issue, but first, Sanchia Berg joins us

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now. , Sanchia, what is a permanent

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vegetative state, the condition we are talking about? Many people will

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be familiar with a coma, where someone is asleep and they show no

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signs of response. The next step from that is a vegetative state,

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whether our cycles of sleeping and waking, the eyes will open and move,

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but they are not responding to the environment or the people around

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them. The stage after that is called minimally conscious state, and that

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is where people showed more signs of responsiveness, but again, it is a

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long way from being conscious. When it comes to vegetative states,

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doctors can determine that someone is in a permanent vegetative state

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either 12 months after a traumatic injury, or six months after a

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non-traumatic incident, such as Jodie Simpson, who took an overdose.

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We will be speaking to Jodie's family in a moment, but if someone

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is in that situation and the family decided his time to withdraw

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treatment, who gets to make the call and what happens? It is complicated.

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You might remember the case of Tony Bland, a football fan left in a coma

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after Hillsborough. His doctors saw no prospect of him improving, he was

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in a vegetative state. They went to the courts to decide and it went all

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the way to the house of Lords. They determined that doctors could remove

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his feeding tube, because this constituted treatment. As the

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treatment wasn't helping him, they could withhold that, and that way,

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he could die. When they made the decision, the house of lords said it

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would be good practice for other cases like this to come to the

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courts. So ever since, there has been the practice of doctors

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repairing these cases up to the court of -- referring these cases up

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to the Court of protection to make a decision. If you look at the

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guidance from the Royal College of physicians, they will say it is

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English law that you have to take these cases to the Court of

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protection. But I have spoken to a leading lawyer at the Court of

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protection who has been looking there are closely at this, and he

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says it is not for but it has become a very well established practice. It

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is not a convert of process with someone saying that you can't have

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your wish is granted? This is a good point. We're not talking about

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families who don't want the feeding tube taken away. We're talking about

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families who very sadly have accepted that there is almost no

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prospect of their relative recovering. They have come to this

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decision and agree with the doctors. Where families do want to continue

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feeding, if there is a dispute, it should go to the courts. No one is

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arguing about that. Thank you, Sanchia. We can now speak to Jean

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Simpson, Jodie's more the -- mother, and her brother. Also with us,

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Professor Jenny Kitzinger who has written a report

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on the families experience, and Professor Derick

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Wade, a consultant in neurological rehabilitation.

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Jean, your daughter Jodie was in a permanent vegetative state

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thank you for speaking to others about what has obviously been a very

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difficult decision for your family. How difficult a decision was a? I

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thought she should not be in that condition. From my nursing

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experience, I knew she would not get any better. I knew by the damage

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that was done that it was metabolic, irreversible damage. We just faced a

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future of her never improving but her body being alive. We had no

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hope. Michael, Jodie was in that state. You had obviously taken the

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decision as a family and reconciled yourselves to it - what then

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happens? It took a lot of time to come to that decision. I was quite

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happy that she was still here at first, but I did not know the impact

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of the situation she was going to be in and the toll it would take on the

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family and that it would lead us to this decision. Pretty soon, perhaps

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a year after the accident, I knew then that for the rest of the

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family, for myself and everybody, and Jodie herself, we had to take

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this decision. It sounds like you both had a slightly different

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reaction at the beginning. It was only through my experience. I think

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I alienate it quite a few people by not having hope from the beginning,

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but I did know, through my nursing experience, that it wasn't going to

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get any better. I think it came across quite hard to some people,

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and it did cause friction that I thought she should not be here now.

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All I could see was years and years of heartache ahead. When everyone

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did end up being agreed on it, did you expect it to take so long? No.

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I've spent most of the last format years at loggerheads with various

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authorities that were in charge, if you could call it in charge. I was

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talking to Sanchia, and she was saying it is not convert, it is a

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process where it is deemed to be best practice that when a decision

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is taken to withdraw treatment in this situation, the Court of

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protection is involved. Did you feel you were fighting? I did feel as if

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I was fighting the professionals, the medics. I did a lot of research.

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I have come across people like this in my working life, but they were in

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situations where they were in their own homes. The situation was under

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control. I wasn't involved in the dynamics of everyday life, I maybe

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went in to do a dressing. To see my daughter lying there, day in, day

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out, with no hope of recovery, I felt I was banging my head against a

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brick wall a lot of times. I felt that the trust had just come after

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ten weeks in hospital, put her in a room and funded it full stop. I had

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to push for a meetings. My aim at the very beginning was for her not

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to live like this. What did that do to the family? It destroyed us.

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Yeah, it affected everybody differently. People had different

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opinions. I have brothers and sisters, and everybody's opinion,

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until you're in that situation and UC Jodie as we were, day in, day

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out, lying in that same situation, you cannot understand why we had to

:24:37.:24:40.

come to that decision. Us to continue and get on with our lives,

:24:41.:24:45.

we had to say goodbye to her in her physical form. Even though her

:24:46.:24:50.

spirit, I believe, had left format years ago. And you were being

:24:51.:24:53.

dragged through a process that had gone on for years? At first, we felt

:24:54.:25:04.

guilty. It was not our decision to make, anyway, which eased the

:25:05.:25:09.

tension a little bit. Can you explain that? We could not make the

:25:10.:25:13.

decision about whether they would withdraw treatment or not. So that

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helped in the end? It did. You didn't feel as though you were

:25:19.:25:23.

pushing for her to pass away. With that in mind, how do you see the

:25:24.:25:28.

process? You felt it helpful that the doctors and the courts had an

:25:29.:25:31.

involvement because it takes the weight off you a bit, but the

:25:32.:25:38.

process is prolonged. How would it work best? It was the way that it

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was handled that it made it prolonged. They did not follow the

:25:44.:25:49.

guidelines they should have. Let's bring in Jenny, because you have

:25:50.:25:54.

been researching Jodie's situation and you have had personal experience

:25:55.:26:00.

in your own family. Your sister suffered a brain from. You're an

:26:01.:26:04.

academic who has been looking at all the issues around this. What is

:26:05.:26:09.

perspective? I and my colleagues have researched with 75 individuals,

:26:10.:26:19.

around 45 families, and this situation is happening all over

:26:20.:26:22.

England and Wales, families who slowly, over time, come to decide

:26:23.:26:26.

that their loved one would not want to live like that. And the doctors

:26:27.:26:30.

are in agreement that it is futile. Instead of the doctors being able to

:26:31.:26:35.

make the decision with the family, there is this lengthy and

:26:36.:26:39.

complicated process of preparing for court, and often, the doctors and

:26:40.:26:42.

funding bodies involved don't know quite how to do that, and it drags

:26:43.:26:48.

on for years, adding unnecessary, I would say, assault to the patient.

:26:49.:26:55.

It could actually be resolved with proper expertise and care, without

:26:56.:26:59.

involving the court. Can that actually be achieved, Professor

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Wade? Can someone do it in a swift way? I think they can, if they want

:27:09.:27:14.

an expectation if not an actual requirement to go to court. Jean is

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quite correct, the decision that, the final decision, is made by the

:27:21.:27:25.

clinical team, not Mrs hourly the doctor. And the family's role is to

:27:26.:27:31.

advise the clinical team on what the person concerned would want, and

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that is correct. If, having made that decision, they could then

:27:36.:27:38.

execute that decision and decide to withdraw treatment of whatever the

:27:39.:27:47.

changes, it would be very much easier that the clinical team is

:27:48.:27:53.

advised they have to go to court, and they don't necessarily have that

:27:54.:27:56.

expertise will stop and nobody else has that expertise, solicitors

:27:57.:28:01.

don't. So the whole thing drags on. Why does it have to go to court with

:28:02.:28:06.

Mike if it has been going on for appearing of time and every is no

:28:07.:28:15.

hope of recovery,... I don't believe it does have to go to court. In the

:28:16.:28:22.

case of Tony Bland, the court said that cases should come. We also said

:28:23.:28:26.

the process should be developed so that they did not need to come, but

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it was never developed. A practice direction was sent around in 2015.

:28:32.:28:40.

How binding is a practice direction? Could it be tested? I am not a

:28:41.:28:46.

lawyer, so I can't say how binding it is. My understanding is that it

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is binding and we have to go to court. Did you look at doing it that

:28:56.:29:01.

way, Jean, trying to avoid the Court of protection? Yes. Did you get very

:29:02.:29:07.

far? At first, when you don't know much about it, you want to be guided

:29:08.:29:11.

by the experts. But eventually, it dawned on me that I don't think they

:29:12.:29:18.

knew what they were doing. I was researching and telling them

:29:19.:29:22.

different things I had found on the internet is about expert witnesses,

:29:23.:29:26.

what the court would require, even how long they could make a

:29:27.:29:31.

diagnosis. They could have made a diagnosis in six months will stop

:29:32.:29:38.

because of botched ups, it took to make years to get a diagnosis.

:29:39.:29:51.

Avila has tweeted: I would not want to be kept alive by a machine if I

:29:52.:29:57.

was in that state it is not a life. Another says: There should not be a

:29:58.:30:04.

grey area around the law for people in aid permanent vegetative state.

:30:05.:30:11.

How difficult is it when you're trying to second-guess what someone

:30:12.:30:15.

would have wanted? We weren't second-guessing. It was what the

:30:16.:30:17.

your evaluation was? We knew she would not want to live

:30:18.:30:29.

in this condition. It was a living death. She did not have a drink of

:30:30.:30:35.

water in four years. What was she like? She was a vibrant personality.

:30:36.:30:43.

She enjoyed life. I had a conversation with her three, four

:30:44.:30:47.

weeks before what happened, talking about a case, a gentleman with

:30:48.:30:53.

locked in syndrome. She said, if I were in that situation, shoot me.

:30:54.:30:59.

She was blase, but we did not expect something like this to happen four

:31:00.:31:04.

weeks later. Knowing my sister and how she lived her life, how full of

:31:05.:31:10.

life she was, and she has no quality-of-life, and like my mum

:31:11.:31:14.

said, she could not take a drink of water. There is no response. It was

:31:15.:31:20.

not a life. And to see her in that situation, it is not a life for us.

:31:21.:31:26.

Extraordinary you have that conversation with her. It is ironic,

:31:27.:31:34.

looking back. When a family have had a conversation like that and they

:31:35.:31:38.

can say to the doctors, this is how she would have felt, how is that

:31:39.:31:43.

treated? It is not legally binding. It is taken into account in their

:31:44.:31:50.

best interest decision and so those wishes are weighed in the balance

:31:51.:31:54.

with things like sanctity of life and the doctors' views. The only way

:31:55.:31:59.

to make sure your wishes take precedence is to write down in a

:32:00.:32:05.

living will. If she had said if I am in a vegetative state and I do not

:32:06.:32:13.

want... That would be legally binding. At six months she could've

:32:14.:32:17.

been diagnosed and been allowed to die with peace and dignity as the

:32:18.:32:21.

family believed she would have wanted. One reviewer said my sisters

:32:22.:32:27.

and I had to decide about withdrawing aid and it is hard to

:32:28.:32:31.

see your family falling apart and we are not sure we made the right

:32:32.:32:35.

decision. Is there hope, when someone has been like that a long

:32:36.:32:41.

time, that they can recover? They may have thought they made a

:32:42.:32:44.

decision that they were misinformed by the medical team. The decision is

:32:45.:32:50.

a health care decision, they advise, they do not decide. If they were led

:32:51.:32:55.

to believe they were making a decision, that is incorrect and

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demonstrates the general failure for most people to know and understand

:33:05.:33:06.

the law, but coming back to hope, it is true to say on occasion people

:33:07.:33:13.

change after the time that so-called permanence has been achieved, but

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the change is small, very rare and rarely worthwhile. I think we have

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to understand there is uncertainty in medicine and we expect a degree

:33:25.:33:29.

of certainty in this situation never achieved in any other aspect of

:33:30.:33:36.

medicine, the degree of certainty about how conscious someone is and

:33:37.:33:39.

the degree of certainty about what the future will hold. The balance of

:33:40.:33:50.

probability is still will not change after six months. And you do not

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think it is the wrong decision? I was resolute. I did know, by

:33:56.:34:04.

reading, researching, it was not our decision to make. It was whether we

:34:05.:34:08.

agreed or disagreed, but it was not our decision to make. Thanks for

:34:09.:34:10.

coming in. We've had this statement

:34:11.:34:12.

from the Ministry of Justice. A female police

:34:13.:34:16.

officer in Oklahoma is charged with manslaughter after shooting

:34:17.:34:45.

dead a black suspect. We'll talk to activists

:34:46.:34:54.

who's been protesting about the issue in Charlotte -

:34:55.:34:57.

where another black man And we talk to a mother whose

:34:58.:34:59.

fifteen year old daughter was raped and killed during a family holiday

:35:00.:35:03.

to Goa eight years ago. Today a court in India

:35:04.:35:06.

returns its verdict on the two men Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:35:07.:35:09.

with a summary of the news. The internet giant Yahoo is under

:35:10.:35:16.

pressure to explain how it failed to notice for two years

:35:17.:35:23.

what is thought to have been The company has urged its customers

:35:24.:35:26.

to consider changing their passwords after hackers stole information

:35:27.:35:30.

from half a billion accounts. Yahoo said the breach

:35:31.:35:32.

included names and emails, The Syrian city of Aleppo has

:35:33.:35:34.

come under a fresh wave Rescue workers say they have seen

:35:35.:35:40.

Russian warplanes over the city. There were heavy attacks overnight;

:35:41.:35:47.

as the Syrian government announced a new offensive to take

:35:48.:35:54.

the rebel-held east of the city. The latest fighting comes

:35:55.:35:56.

as the United States and Russia - at talks in New York -

:35:57.:35:59.

failed to revive a ceasefire. Prosecutors in the US State

:36:00.:36:02.

of Oklahoma have charged a white policewoman who shot an unarmed

:36:03.:36:06.

black man, with manslaughter. Video footage has emerged showing

:36:07.:36:09.

the man walking away from officers Meanwhile, protesters

:36:10.:36:11.

have defied a curfew put in place in Charlotte,

:36:12.:36:18.

North Carolina, where people have been gathering

:36:19.:36:20.

for the past three nights. The demonstrations follow

:36:21.:36:22.

the killing of a black man by police on Tuesday,

:36:23.:36:24.

but officers decided against enforcing the curfew,

:36:25.:36:28.

as protests were largely peaceful. There have been calls for footage

:36:29.:36:32.

of the shooting to be released, The chief executive of Sports Direct

:36:33.:36:47.

has resigned and will be replaced by founder Mike Ashley. The company has

:36:48.:36:52.

attracted criticism over working practices after it emerged staff at

:36:53.:36:57.

warehouses were paid less than the minimum wage. It is not clear why he

:36:58.:37:02.

has left. The Prime Minister says every effort must be made to stop

:37:03.:37:07.

the legal system being abused over allegations of serious misconduct by

:37:08.:37:12.

UK troops. Theresa May said she is determined to stop vexatious claims

:37:13.:37:17.

brought against the Armed Forces. Two separate enquiries are

:37:18.:37:20.

investigating 2000 allegations against troops who served in Iraq

:37:21.:37:23.

and Afghanistan. That's a summary of the latest

:37:24.:37:23.

BBC News - more at 10. Middlesex resume against Yorkshire

:37:24.:37:35.

in a dramatic finale to the County Championship. They are on 81-2 in

:37:36.:37:40.

the second innings and a win for either team will secure the title.

:37:41.:37:45.

Aberdeen complete the line-up for the Scottish League Cup semifinals

:37:46.:37:49.

after beating St Johnstone. They will play Morton and Rangers Celtic

:37:50.:37:55.

in the other match. A rusty Ronnie O'Sullivan has been knocked out of

:37:56.:38:00.

the Shanghai Masters, losing to fellow Englishman Michael Holt in

:38:01.:38:05.

his first tournament since the World Championships in April.

:38:06.:38:08.

Holiday-makers are being asked to fund British Olympians when they

:38:09.:38:12.

booked trips abroad. The governing body British ski and snowboard will

:38:13.:38:16.

set up a fund the customers to donate when they book their

:38:17.:38:19.

holidays. I will be back just after 10am.

:38:20.:38:21.

Scarlett Keeling, a 15 year-old British girl,

:38:22.:38:26.

was found dead on an Indian beach in 2008.

:38:27.:38:28.

More than eight and a half years later, a verdict on the two men

:38:29.:38:32.

accused of killing her is finally due later this morning.

:38:33.:38:34.

Her mother, Fiona, has been battling for justice ever since Scarlett

:38:35.:38:37.

was found raped and murdered on a family holiday to Goa.

:38:38.:38:40.

Earlier I asked her how she was feeling as she awaited the verdict.

:38:41.:38:43.

I've got no idea what the outcome will be.

:38:44.:38:49.

What has it been like being there through the court process?

:38:50.:38:56.

It's quite hard work, it's quite harrowing.

:38:57.:39:01.

It's very different to our systems at home.

:39:02.:39:03.

It's just a little room, and everybody sort of crams into it.

:39:04.:39:08.

And have you felt that you have faith in the system there?

:39:09.:39:12.

I have to have faith that there will be some decent

:39:13.:39:19.

You had to fight to actually get to this stage, didn't you?

:39:20.:39:27.

Because initially the police said that Scarlett's death

:39:28.:39:29.

You had to fight to get it investigated beyond that.

:39:30.:39:35.

Looking back, how do you feel about what you have had to go

:39:36.:39:38.

I think the police lying at the beginning and the government

:39:39.:39:53.

backing them up at the time has made this whole thing much worse than it

:39:54.:39:56.

What did it take for you to actually keep pushing?

:39:57.:40:00.

Scarlett's memories and just the fact that she was a good kid

:40:01.:40:09.

and she enjoyed life and was looking forward to her future.

:40:10.:40:14.

Tell us more about Scarlett and what she was like.

:40:15.:40:17.

She wanted to be more grown-up than she was.

:40:18.:40:21.

She used to sing at the top of her voice in the supermarket.

:40:22.:40:33.

She used to ride horses a lot - we had horses - and she loved that.

:40:34.:40:39.

We used to swim, all of us used to get into the sea

:40:40.:40:42.

Go back to the moment, if you will, when you were on the family holiday

:40:43.:40:50.

and it ended up in a situation where Scarlett was in

:40:51.:40:55.

She'd wanted to go to a Valentine's party.

:40:56.:41:01.

I had let her stay behind with Julio to work for a period of time,

:41:02.:41:08.

providing he brought her down to join us.

:41:09.:41:10.

And Julio was a family friend, was he?

:41:11.:41:13.

He was a guy that we'd met, yes, and I'd questioned him

:41:14.:41:16.

about his intentions with Scarlett, and he had a girlfriend,

:41:17.:41:24.

She was good for business and that they were

:41:25.:41:28.

friends, and it was quite believable, you know?

:41:29.:41:30.

He was giving her good food and making sure

:41:31.:41:32.

she went to bed early, things like that.

:41:33.:41:34.

He convinced me that he was being a good carer for her.

:41:35.:41:37.

He used to take my other children out with him for breakfast as well,

:41:38.:41:42.

And so you felt comfortable leaving Scarlett

:41:43.:41:45.

I'd seen the room she was going to be staying in,

:41:46.:41:50.

I had dinner with the aunts, we've been over there

:41:51.:41:52.

It seemed like a safe environment, yeah.

:41:53.:41:57.

You have been criticised by people who said you should

:41:58.:41:59.

No one will obviously understand how you have run through the scenarios

:42:00.:42:07.

in your head over and over again, no doubt, over the years.

:42:08.:42:10.

on the beach on her own or with her 29-year-old boyfriend.

:42:11.:42:23.

He wasn't her boyfriend, and I didn't leave her on her own.

:42:24.:42:25.

So I try not to take what they say personally.

:42:26.:42:31.

And, you know, obviously I'll regret that decision for the rest

:42:32.:42:34.

of my life that I let her go to that party.

:42:35.:42:40.

I wish more than anything I said no and kept her with us,

:42:41.:42:45.

but I can't change the past and I have to accept it and get on.

:42:46.:42:49.

Is it something that you have beaten yourself up about?

:42:50.:42:53.

A little, I guess. A little, I guess.

:42:54.:42:57.

It didn't help with, you know, the wrong facts coming out

:42:58.:43:00.

and people criticising me about things that weren't true.

:43:01.:43:05.

Have you had... What sort of support have you had?

:43:06.:43:12.

You've got a big family, haven't you?

:43:13.:43:13.

Yes, and I've got family and friends that support me.

:43:14.:43:18.

The press in India are very supportive,

:43:19.:43:20.

they want the same outcome as I do.

:43:21.:43:24.

Yeah, no, I've got lots of friends that give me support.

:43:25.:43:33.

What difference will the verdict today make to you?

:43:34.:43:38.

Well, it's going to be the end of a huge, a huge sort of struggle

:43:39.:43:42.

Even though it won't be completely the end, because if it's a guilty

:43:43.:43:46.

verdict they will appeal, and if it's not guilty, hopefully

:43:47.:43:49.

So it's going to be the end of a long wait.

:43:50.:43:56.

Eight years since Scarlett was killed.

:43:57.:44:02.

Do you live with it every day?

:44:03.:44:03.

And when do you think, and what do you think?

:44:04.:44:19.

I usually think about her when it's quiet.

:44:20.:44:22.

I think about how much she's missing.

:44:23.:44:27.

She is missing the other children growing up,

:44:28.:44:31.

missing my grandchildren, and she's missing, you know...

:44:32.:44:35.

I see her friends still, and they're the same age

:44:36.:44:40.

that she would have been now if she had been alive.

:44:41.:44:42.

So, you know, I think about that sort of thing.

:44:43.:44:45.

Is it hard being back there in India?

:44:46.:44:47.

It makes it all fresh in my mind so, yeah, of course it's hard.

:44:48.:45:00.

And how have your other children coped with what's happened?

:45:01.:45:03.

You know, I'm sure it's changed them.

:45:04.:45:07.

They've got on with their lives, obviously, they are

:45:08.:45:09.

They were all little when they were out here.

:45:10.:45:14.

I don't know, really. It hasn't made me not trust people, it hasn't made

:45:15.:45:40.

me wary. I've always got a fear that I could lose another child. My boys

:45:41.:45:47.

ride motorbikes, I think that is quite normal. After today, what will

:45:48.:45:54.

you do? Hopefully we will celebrate, get a guilty verdict. Otherwise, we

:45:55.:46:00.

will go with plan B, try to think of something else.

:46:01.:46:12.

We're expecting the verdict after 10am, and we will bring it to you as

:46:13.:46:25.

we get it. Thousands of people are demonstrating in Ireland for

:46:26.:46:27.

abortion to be legal. We will speak to people on both sides of the

:46:28.:46:30.

debate. With the controversy continuing

:46:31.:46:32.

about Great British Bake-off leaving the BBC and many of its stars

:46:33.:46:35.

leaving the show altogether, we'll talk to the stars of bake-off

:46:36.:46:37.

programmes around the world. The nation's favourite baking couple

:46:38.:46:45.

has been cast asunder, who will step into Mary's shoes and can they hope

:46:46.:46:49.

to capture the same kind of magic with Paul and another person?

:46:50.:47:03.

What gives the moisture here? It is the beef fruit and the wine. Sorry,

:47:04.:47:19.

Ian. You've got your own freezer, haven't you? It has all melted. Why

:47:20.:47:26.

would you take it out of the freezer? How was it looking? Soup.

:47:27.:47:40.

Nadia! CHEERING

:47:41.:47:54.

And then, some rather special marron glace to go on top of it.

:47:55.:47:57.

It's baked perfectly, you haven't got too much of a soggy bottom.

:47:58.:48:00.

I'd like you just to colout it. It doesn't look appetising.

:48:01.:48:02.

What you have done basically is you have made

:48:03.:48:08.

You can see the mottled effect on the top.

:48:09.:48:16.

We can speak now to fellow Bake Off judges

:48:17.:48:43.

And from Istanbul, Turkish Bake Off jugde Emel Basdogan.

:48:44.:48:58.

I just want to read out a few comments from twitter.

:48:59.:49:03.

Tom asks: Is the proof in the product or the people?

:49:04.:49:07.

Will be interesting to see how the ratings stack up between #GBBO

:49:08.:49:10.

Ali says: Come on, BBC, get Mary, Mel and Sue signed up

:49:11.:49:15.

How about James Martin to replace Paul?

:49:16.:49:17.

Tony jokes: The BBC are planning a GBBO rival, will it

:49:18.:49:23.

Imagine the chemistry between Mary Berry and James May.

:49:24.:49:26.

She says the BBC is to launch a rival Great British Bake Off show

:49:27.:49:30.

And "BB" speaks for a lot of other comments online -

:49:31.:49:37.

What do you think was my people will have their ideas about who should

:49:38.:49:47.

partner up and watch it happen, but it is the end of an error. It is,

:49:48.:49:56.

but it could be -- the end of an era. Yellow might there is a magic

:49:57.:50:01.

when you have a successful show that is about the relationship between

:50:02.:50:04.

the presenters and the public, and we have lost that. By pulling it

:50:05.:50:08.

apart, it won't be the same, but that does not mean it can't be

:50:09.:50:12.

better or that it can't work with advertising. Maybe there is a future

:50:13.:50:28.

for Bake Off. It does work in other parts of the world with different

:50:29.:50:33.

judges. Absolutely. What was your relationship with your fellow judge?

:50:34.:50:38.

Does everyone try to mimic Mary and Paul? Kind of, except I was Mary and

:50:39.:50:43.

she was Paul! I was the sweet one. And Carey, the Simon Cowell of cake,

:50:44.:50:48.

was the cross one. She sounds scary. He's worked in the best

:50:49.:50:55.

bakeries in the world. There is a tenderness, so intense,

:50:56.:50:57.

so rich, so inviting. Gorgeous, chewy,

:50:58.:51:02.

blindingly inventive. Completely different, the whole look

:51:03.:51:19.

and everything. The music, the colour. So much colour. Let's look

:51:20.:51:27.

at the Turkish version. What is it like with your setup? Were you aware

:51:28.:51:32.

of Mary and Paul when you came along with the Bake Off in Turkey? Were

:51:33.:51:40.

you trying to emulate that? None of us was Paul or Mary. We had eight

:51:41.:51:54.

totally authentic... Music and -- if these gang dance are not included,

:51:55.:51:57.

life is missing something. We had more cheerful manner. I was a very

:51:58.:52:09.

cheerful teacher who is very strict and disciplined. No stretching of

:52:10.:52:18.

the culinary rules. But it was full of music and dancing. My partner is

:52:19.:52:24.

a very charming and soft hearted person. We have been looking at the

:52:25.:52:31.

pictures of part of your show, and it does have a different look. And

:52:32.:52:37.

as you say, it involves dancing. Is it the judges who set the tone of

:52:38.:52:43.

something like that? It is strange, because in the first half of my

:52:44.:52:50.

life, I never danced. I was too shy. In the second half, I included

:52:51.:52:58.

dancing, which boosted my life, health, joy, success and everything.

:52:59.:53:08.

From that day on, even if you see me in the supermarket, look for a woman

:53:09.:53:12.

who is dancing. You screen tested with Mary. It could have been me. I

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would have chosen Paul - those blue eyes. Very magnanimous of you! What

:53:19.:53:25.

difference does it make to their way as show unfolds, with the dynamic

:53:26.:53:30.

between the presenting team and the focus on the tone of the show?

:53:31.:53:40.

The producers are looking for different points of view. If you

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people with different attitudes and different appearances, maybe they

:53:45.:53:47.

present a more diverse set of opinions about the cake, the tart,

:53:48.:53:53.

the beautiful lemon meringue pie. I love that. Maybe we offer something

:53:54.:54:00.

completely different. Who do you sort of see? We were reading out

:54:01.:54:05.

text from viewers and everyone has an opinion on who should be paired

:54:06.:54:08.

up with Paul and who should be paired up with Mary. Should it be a

:54:09.:54:13.

similar dynamic as Mike does it need to be an older woman with Paul and I

:54:14.:54:22.

younger man with Mary? Nigella and Paul, we might see. Even a Hollywood

:54:23.:54:27.

star or something. I think they will have to make it more glitzy and

:54:28.:54:32.

punchy. At the BBC, we can make things eloquently and really good. I

:54:33.:54:42.

always think of commercial stations as far and somehow and the lack of

:54:43.:54:46.

advertising at the British. Does the fact that the format has been

:54:47.:54:49.

successful around the world show that it is the format is the star

:54:50.:54:55.

and not the presenters? It can be, because people around the world love

:54:56.:54:59.

baking. Sometimes producers miss this. The thing that we love, from

:55:00.:55:07.

the tweets we were hearing, is that they are baking things on TV that

:55:08.:55:11.

you can do at home, and they can identify with the failures and

:55:12.:55:15.

successes. Who knew that baking would be so dramatic? Most of us, if

:55:16.:55:21.

we do it at home, it is a leisurely, relaxing pursuit. In Turkey, does it

:55:22.:55:25.

have viewers on the edge of their seats like it does here? Are you

:55:26.:55:35.

talking to me, Victoria? I am. The drama - who knew that it could be so

:55:36.:55:44.

dramatic? It can be, but we also need variety. I think it is an

:55:45.:55:50.

entertainment, even when we are baking at home. A TV show like Bake

:55:51.:56:02.

Off, which is so entertaining, can be open to more varieties. I agree

:56:03.:56:14.

with Michael that the change can be key to diversity and new excitement.

:56:15.:56:20.

They can be quite a different process that can be included in the

:56:21.:56:26.

show. As we said, you did a similar thing in Australia, where the Bake

:56:27.:56:32.

Off was switched from one channel to another. In that case, it went to a

:56:33.:56:36.

channel with adverts to one without, and brand-new presenters. What

:56:37.:56:42.

happened to the show's ratings? I have to be honest, they fell, partly

:56:43.:56:48.

because... Was that gratifying? Yes! It's difficult, because each time,

:56:49.:56:54.

you are playing with the magic that makes your show successful. When you

:56:55.:56:58.

move it, you know, hopefully, it will be OK. Ian has tweeted: Channel

:56:59.:57:09.

4 has rocked the public to play Paul. You have some experience of

:57:10.:57:16.

the show on a channel with adverts. How did that work? Fans are worried

:57:17.:57:21.

about what the adverts might mean for Bake Off here. For a lot of

:57:22.:57:27.

viewers, the history and the stories behind recipes are an important part

:57:28.:57:31.

of it. You need something before the advert breaks. Unless you extend the

:57:32.:57:38.

time. You can, but it is locked into advertising. You don't think there

:57:39.:57:45.

is much hope that? No. It is about creating a tension and a dynamic

:57:46.:57:48.

before the advert breaks that everyone comes back and waits to

:57:49.:57:52.

find out what happened. How does it work in Turkey? With the changes,

:57:53.:58:02.

how do you mean? Do you have advert breaks? There is a lot of concern

:58:03.:58:07.

that there will be advert breaks in Bake Off, and it is seen as

:58:08.:58:13.

sacrosanct that there are not. I did not get your question. Say it again,

:58:14.:58:19.

please. Don't worry. I'm going to ask you again, Dan. Would you screen

:58:20.:58:24.

test again? Absolutely. Wouldn't everybody? What could the BBC do? Is

:58:25.:58:35.

it obvious what the format could be on a baking show that would not be

:58:36.:58:39.

too closely aligned to the format? That could run into difficulties.

:58:40.:58:45.

People always ask what happens to the cakes. Of course, the crew eats

:58:46.:58:49.

all the cakes. Perhaps it could be done in a different way, where we

:58:50.:58:53.

brought the public in more, perhaps baking for a hospital or a school,

:58:54.:59:00.

or guys working on oil rigs or something like that. We could be

:59:01.:59:04.

helping in a different way. It could be about all of Britain rather than

:59:05.:59:09.

a paddock somewhere in the south. This sounds good. You should pitch

:59:10.:59:13.

it after you leave here! Thank you both very much. Just a reminder that

:59:14.:59:22.

we have a special programme... I thought we were talking about Bake

:59:23.:59:25.

Off, but it is something different altogether - the Labour leadership

:59:26.:59:26.

election. It's on BBC Two and the BBC

:59:27.:59:33.

News Channel from 11am. Let's get the latest weather

:59:34.:59:36.

update with Matt Taylor. Let us know about who you think

:59:37.:59:46.

should partner up alongside Mary and Paul. Let's get the weather with

:59:47.:59:48.

Matt. Temperatures were down to one or two

:59:49.:00:00.

Celsius in parts of the country but it was a glorious start with a lot

:00:01.:00:06.

of sunshine around. Exceptions most notably around South Wales. Some

:00:07.:00:13.

showers so far, but mostly dry but a changes on the way for Scotland and

:00:14.:00:19.

Northern Ireland. Cloud behind me turning sunshine increasingly hazy

:00:20.:00:23.

and by the afternoon, splashes of rain. Showers in South Wales should

:00:24.:00:30.

ease. Into the afternoon there will be more cloud around but sunny

:00:31.:00:37.

spells in much of England and Wales. East Anglia and the south-east will

:00:38.:00:41.

not be as warm as yesterday but with a gentle breeze, feeling pleasant.

:00:42.:00:50.

Sunshine turning hazy across North Wales and Northern End him. Hazy

:00:51.:00:55.

sunshine in eastern parts of Scotland. West of Scotland and

:00:56.:00:59.

Northern Ireland a different picture. Rain, heavy and persistent

:01:00.:01:09.

in parts of Scotland. With it comes stronger to gale force winds.

:01:10.:01:12.

Persistent rain returning to the west later here. For many, a dry

:01:13.:01:20.

night and temperatures holding up for many because we have low

:01:21.:01:27.

pressure pushing the weather. It is dragging up with it warmer air from

:01:28.:01:32.

the near continent, particularly Iberia. Temperatures holding up by

:01:33.:01:37.

night and feeling reasonably warm by day. Sunshine to begin with in

:01:38.:01:43.

England and Wales and eastern Scotland, elsewhere, a wet day.

:01:44.:01:49.

Strong winds. Rain pushing into western parts of Wales and England.

:01:50.:01:57.

But pleasantly warm in the South east corner. Saturday night into

:01:58.:02:02.

Sunday, winds shunted out of the way by the weather front that brings

:02:03.:02:06.

rain overnight and introduces westerly winds on Sunday morning.

:02:07.:02:15.

Temperatures cooler. In East Anglia and the south-east, rain eases away

:02:16.:02:21.

to sunshine. The rest of the country, sunshine and scattered

:02:22.:02:25.

showers but a blustery wind. Enjoy your weekend. Hello, it is

:02:26.:02:32.

Friday, it is 10am. Welcome to the programme. Coming up before 11.

:02:33.:02:35.

Hackers have stolen details of more than half a billion Yahoo customers

:02:36.:02:37.

worldwide in the biggest security breach ever committed.

:02:38.:02:39.

But why has it taken nearly two years for the company to explain how

:02:40.:02:43.

names, email addresses, and phone numbers were stolen in the scam.

:02:44.:02:47.

are expected to take to the streets calling

:02:48.:02:58.

in Ireland as thousands of women and girls travel to the UK every

:02:59.:03:02.

The mud slinging continues in the Hollywood divorce of former

:03:03.:03:05.

golden couple Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie.

:03:06.:03:07.

Here's Annita McVeigh in the BBC Newsroom

:03:08.:03:23.

The internet giant Yahoo is under pressure to explain how it failed

:03:24.:03:27.

to notice for two years what is thought to have been

:03:28.:03:30.

The company has urged its customers to consider changing their passwords

:03:31.:03:35.

after hackers stole information from half a billion accounts.

:03:36.:03:39.

Yahoo said the breach included names and emails,

:03:40.:03:41.

If you have questions or concerns about cyber security you can put

:03:42.:03:51.

those two at internet expert who will be here to answer them for you

:03:52.:03:58.

at 11:30am on the BBC News Channel. You can get in touch via Twitter or

:03:59.:04:00.

text questions. The Syrian city of Aleppo has

:04:01.:04:04.

come under a fresh wave Rescue workers say they have seen

:04:05.:04:06.

Russian warplanes over the city. There were heavy attacks overnight

:04:07.:04:12.

as the Syrian government announced a new offensive to take

:04:13.:04:14.

the rebel-held east of the city. The latest fighting comes

:04:15.:04:17.

as the United States and Russia - at talks in New York -

:04:18.:04:20.

failed to revive a ceasefire. Prosecutors in the US State

:04:21.:04:25.

of Oklahoma have charged a white policewoman who shot an unarmed

:04:26.:04:29.

black man with manslaughter. Video footage has emerged showing

:04:30.:04:33.

the man walking away from officers We have love and forgiveness but

:04:34.:04:48.

that does not excuse the crime. I truly believe in accountability and

:04:49.:04:54.

there are consequences to action. And so again, we are just thankful

:04:55.:05:01.

that the TPD, the mayor, they did their full investigation and this is

:05:02.:05:04.

a small victory for us. Meanwhile, protesters

:05:05.:05:06.

have defied a curfew put in place in Charlotte,

:05:07.:05:07.

North Carolina, where people have been gathering

:05:08.:05:09.

for the past three nights. The demonstrations there follow

:05:10.:05:15.

the killing of a black man by police on Tuesday,

:05:16.:05:17.

but officers decided against enforcing the curfew,

:05:18.:05:19.

as protests were largely peaceful. There have been calls for footage

:05:20.:05:22.

of the shooting to be released, The family of a British schoolgirl

:05:23.:05:24.

murdered in India eight years ago will today hear the long-awaited

:05:25.:05:30.

verdict on the two men accused 15-year-old Scarlett Keeling

:05:31.:05:33.

was on a six-month family holiday when she was found dead

:05:34.:05:39.

on a beach in Goa. Scarlett's mother, Fiona MacKeown,

:05:40.:05:43.

has spent eight years trying to get justice for her daughter and has

:05:44.:05:46.

travelled to India for the verdict. It is going to be the end of a huge

:05:47.:05:49.

struggle and a wait. Even though it won't be

:05:50.:05:54.

completely the end, because if it is a guilty verdict,

:05:55.:05:57.

they will appeal, and if it is not guilty,

:05:58.:06:00.

the prosecution will appeal. It is going to be

:06:01.:06:03.

the end of a long wait. I usually think about

:06:04.:06:06.

her when it's quiet. I think about how

:06:07.:06:12.

much she is missing. Missing the other children growing

:06:13.:06:15.

up and missing my I see her friends still,

:06:16.:06:18.

they are the same age she would have The chief executive

:06:19.:06:25.

of Sports Direct has resigned. Dave Forsey will be replaced

:06:26.:06:36.

by the company's The company has attracted criticism

:06:37.:06:38.

over its working practices, after it emerged that staff

:06:39.:06:42.

at its warehouses were paid less It's not clear why

:06:43.:06:44.

Mr Forsey has left. The FBI says it's gathering

:06:45.:06:48.

information about an alleged incident involving the Hollywood

:06:49.:06:51.

star Brad Pitt and his children It said it was still evaluating

:06:52.:06:54.

whether to launch an investigation. The actor's wife, Angelina Jolie,

:06:55.:07:05.

filed for divorce on Monday, She's asked for physical custody

:07:06.:07:08.

of their six children. A British man who lived as a goat

:07:09.:07:15.

in the Alps for three days has won one of this year's Ig Nobel prizes -

:07:16.:07:20.

the spoof awards that recognise amusing or sometimes

:07:21.:07:23.

bizarre scientific research. Tom Thwaites said the artificial

:07:24.:07:25.

limbs he made to walk and trot with the goats could help the design

:07:26.:07:28.

of equipment for humans. A study that examined

:07:29.:07:34.

the personalities of rocks was also honoured -

:07:35.:07:37.

as were the team who examined why the world looks different

:07:38.:07:39.

when you bend over and look at it I find it hard to keep a straight

:07:40.:07:42.

face when reading that one! That's a summary of the latest BBC

:07:43.:07:48.

News - more at 10.30. I cannot imagine what he deemed that

:07:49.:07:59.

we could not glean more easily. We are talking about calls for abortion

:08:00.:08:03.

in Ireland to be made legal. Thousands are marching in Dublin on

:08:04.:08:08.

Saturday. Let us know your thoughts and everything else we have been

:08:09.:08:13.

talking about. We were talking about the Great British Bake Off and we

:08:14.:08:17.

would like to know who you think should partner with Mary Berry if

:08:18.:08:20.

they continue a baking show on the BBC. Hashtag Victoria Live is always

:08:21.:08:28.

useful if you want to put out your views.

:08:29.:08:33.

Over to Jessica. Good morning, I am joined by a Paralympic champion in

:08:34.:08:38.

not just one book two sports. Kadeena Cox is with me to reflect on

:08:39.:08:47.

an incredible couple of weeks. We will start in the Velodrome when you

:08:48.:08:51.

won A gold medal, what was your reaction? Anybody who saw it saw how

:08:52.:08:58.

emotional I was. It was the one to get with a double. To get the gold

:08:59.:09:03.

medal in the cycling. My hard work paid off. I had done it. On the

:09:04.:09:09.

track in the 400 metres, what possessed you to do two sports at

:09:10.:09:14.

one Olympics? It just happened that way. When I got back into running, I

:09:15.:09:19.

could not run and I got on the cycling bike and was looked at by

:09:20.:09:24.

British Cycling and they took a pause and I got back into running

:09:25.:09:28.

when they paused and then they came back and I ended up doing two. Are

:09:29.:09:37.

you aware of history you have made? The first British Paralympian to win

:09:38.:09:41.

the gold medal in two sports in 28 years. Were you aware of that

:09:42.:09:47.

history? I was. A lot of people have mentioned it. There was not going

:09:48.:09:53.

around on media before the games. Initially I was trying to do

:09:54.:09:56.

something different but I did not know it had not been done for long.

:09:57.:10:03.

Tell me how you got into Paralympic sport. It is two years yesterday

:10:04.:10:11.

since my MS diagnosis and in September 2014, following a strict

:10:12.:10:18.

diagnosis I got an MS diagnosis. My coach, he was a para coach. My coach

:10:19.:10:27.

said he would do anything to get me into any form of running and I just

:10:28.:10:34.

cracked on with it. MS is something that is aggravated by exercise, what

:10:35.:10:38.

effect does that have on trading and how you feel after competing? It is

:10:39.:10:46.

a balancing act. I have worked with the physio, doctors, physiologists,

:10:47.:10:50.

because it does send my body into a crazy mode. I get muscle spasms and

:10:51.:10:58.

during training, I can start to walk oddly. My arms start to spasm. It is

:10:59.:11:05.

tough, but we do a lot of high-quality stuff and not as much

:11:06.:11:10.

training, just to prevent too much fatigue from spasms. As much as it

:11:11.:11:16.

aggravates your MS, where do you think you would be without sporting

:11:17.:11:21.

your life? I do not think I would have survived without sport. It stop

:11:22.:11:26.

me going into depression and struggling with my diagnosis. I had

:11:27.:11:31.

sport to get me through. It gave me something to work for and everything

:11:32.:11:36.

I have done is to promote MS and show other people there are amazing

:11:37.:11:49.

things you can do after a diagnosis. It is not a death sentence, there is

:11:50.:11:52.

so much you can do. I have loved getting back into sport. Two years

:11:53.:11:55.

ago, I probably did not think I would be in this position. Carrying

:11:56.:11:58.

the flag at the closing ceremony, that must've been an honour? I not

:11:59.:12:05.

expect it. You dream about the medals and winning and world

:12:06.:12:09.

records, but having the opportunity to be flag bearer did not cross my

:12:10.:12:16.

mind. When I was called down by Penny Briscoe, I thought I was in

:12:17.:12:21.

trouble! Siva is like, we have something good to tell you. I was

:12:22.:12:26.

like, are you serious? Having an amazing games with so many amazing

:12:27.:12:36.

performances, to lead out with the flag, it was an honour. I was lost

:12:37.:12:42.

for words. Thanks for joining us and we hope to see you competing against

:12:43.:12:44.

scene. Back to you. The internet giant, Yahoo,

:12:45.:12:47.

is under pressure to explain how it failed to notice for two years

:12:48.:12:50.

what is thought to have been The company has urged its customers

:12:51.:12:53.

to consider changing their passwords after hackers stole information

:12:54.:12:57.

from half a billion accounts. Yahoo said the breach

:12:58.:13:01.

included names and emails, Robert Schifreen is a former

:13:02.:13:03.

computer hacker, now editor of the IT safety website

:13:04.:13:09.

Security Smart - he joins us Thanks for joining us, can you

:13:10.:13:21.

understand why it has taken two years for this to emerge? Frankly,

:13:22.:13:26.

no, it should not have taken this long. Yahoo has known about it a

:13:27.:13:33.

couple of years. There have been rumours that someone on the dark web

:13:34.:13:36.

has been trying to sell Yahoo accounts. Why it has taken so long

:13:37.:13:45.

we do not know and they owe it to us to explain why and also to have

:13:46.:13:51.

explained as soon as possible their accounts have been hacked. We needed

:13:52.:13:56.

to change our passwords. People might not have changed passwords

:13:57.:13:59.

when if they had known about it they would've done. Two years on, people

:14:00.:14:04.

are told to change their passwords, but if any damage was going to be

:14:05.:14:08.

done, would it be done already? To an extent, if you have changed it

:14:09.:14:15.

recently, change it again in case a hacker was watching you change it

:14:16.:14:19.

the first time. If you have used the same password on other systems, such

:14:20.:14:24.

as banking and shopping, change those passwords and in future did

:14:25.:14:28.

not use the same password on multiple accounts and then if

:14:29.:14:33.

hackers get one system, they have one and not all of your accounts.

:14:34.:14:39.

The passwords were encrypted. The hackers do not have passwords, but

:14:40.:14:45.

other information was not encrypted, such as security questions. If

:14:46.:14:51.

everything were encrypted, with this issue arise? It depends how well it

:14:52.:14:58.

was encrypted and when they -- where they stored the passwords to

:14:59.:15:02.

encrypted. They need passwords and private information to check what we

:15:03.:15:07.

have typed in is correct so somewhere on the system would be

:15:08.:15:11.

encrypted information and also passwords to break the encryption.

:15:12.:15:15.

Because the hackers have a two year head start, they may have been able

:15:16.:15:20.

to crack the encryption. We generally are seeing that happening,

:15:21.:15:25.

if someone gets a database of encrypted passwords, within weeks

:15:26.:15:29.

and months they can crack up to 80% of them so it is good they encrypted

:15:30.:15:35.

the passwords, but the fact the hackers had a head start is

:15:36.:15:36.

worrying. And Yahoo says it believes the

:15:37.:15:46.

hacking was state-sponsored. If that is the case, who might be behind it

:15:47.:15:52.

and why? That is interesting. They would be interesting if Yahoo told

:15:53.:15:54.

us which country they thought did it, which they are not saying. You

:15:55.:15:58.

would want to know which country has an interest in getting hold of 500

:15:59.:16:04.

million Yahoo accounts. It might be a country that doesn't like the US

:16:05.:16:08.

much and wants to destabilise its reputation as being secure. It might

:16:09.:16:15.

want to destabilise the deal led Yahoo is currently being sold. It

:16:16.:16:21.

seems odd to me, and if it is true, Yahoo needs to release more details.

:16:22.:16:27.

Thank you for joining us, Robert. Still to come: We are expecting the

:16:28.:16:31.

verdict shortly in the trial of the two men accused of murdering

:16:32.:16:37.

50-year-old Scarlett Keeling on a beach in Goa. As soon as it happens,

:16:38.:16:44.

we will bring you that. Thousands of people are expected

:16:45.:16:49.

to take to the streets of Dublin this Saturday,

:16:50.:16:51.

as part of the Rise and Repeal march, which calls for abortion

:16:52.:16:54.

in Ireland to be made legal. A woman can only terminate her

:16:55.:16:56.

pregnancy if her life or long term and girls in Ireland -

:16:57.:17:00.

that's just over nine people a day - travelled

:17:01.:17:10.

to the UK for a termination. Last month, two women made headlines

:17:11.:17:13.

when they live tweeted their journey The social media account

:17:14.:17:16.

Two Women Travel was set up by a pregnant Irish

:17:17.:17:19.

woman and her companion. They told Ireland's leader

:17:20.:17:21.

Enda Kenny that theirs That they were following in

:17:22.:17:23.

the footsteps of other Irish women Pro-choice campaigns are calling

:17:24.:17:29.

on the Irish government to repeal the Eighth amendment -

:17:30.:17:42.

which equates the right to life of a pregnant women

:17:43.:17:44.

with that of a foetus. Let's talk now to Janet O'Sullivan

:17:45.:17:46.

from Abortion Writes Campaign, the And Katie Ascough -

:17:47.:17:49.

a pro-life campaigner. I will come to you first, Janet,

:17:50.:17:56.

because you are organising this campaign. You travelled to London as

:17:57.:18:01.

a teenager for an abortion yourself, and you told no one but your

:18:02.:18:05.

immediate family about it for many years, but now you campaign. Tell us

:18:06.:18:08.

about your journey that has led you to this point. Good morning. Thank

:18:09.:18:15.

you for having me on. If I can clarify, abortion is only available

:18:16.:18:20.

in Ireland if there is immediate risk to life, not on health grounds.

:18:21.:18:27.

We cannot change our laws until we repeal the eighth Amendment. I've

:18:28.:18:35.

spoken about having travelled for an abortion when I was 18 and having an

:18:36.:18:40.

unplanned pregnancy. It is different from what it is now. We didn't have

:18:41.:18:47.

the internet. Abortion information is heavily restricted, and for years

:18:48.:18:52.

I didn't know I was one of 170,000 people who travelled from Ireland

:18:53.:18:55.

and give an address in Ireland when they go for an abortion in England.

:18:56.:18:59.

It affects birthrights as well as abortion rights. Medical consent in

:19:00.:19:07.

pregnancy, it has wide reaching effects. We need to end the shame

:19:08.:19:11.

and stigma around abortion. It takes women speaking out before the law

:19:12.:19:19.

gets change. We saw women in France speaking out before France legalised

:19:20.:19:22.

abortion, the same in Germany and the USA. I am one of the people who

:19:23.:19:26.

has been speaking out in the last few years to break the stigma and to

:19:27.:19:31.

change our laws. Katie, you are a 20-year-old student in Dublin and

:19:32.:19:35.

you think that abortion should remain illegal. Why? When we talk

:19:36.:19:42.

about the eighth Amendment and what campaign groups are pushing for,

:19:43.:19:47.

they are pushing for wide-ranging abortion, abortion in any case and

:19:48.:19:54.

at any time against station -- any time during gestation. We know that

:19:55.:20:03.

is what people in Ireland don't want. We see babies being aborted

:20:04.:20:09.

because of a diagnosis of Down's syndrome or array cleft palate. That

:20:10.:20:12.

is not what we are looking for. It is building up a culture where lives

:20:13.:20:16.

like my own brother's don't matter. I had the privilege of meeting my

:20:17.:20:23.

brother, who was 13 weeks developed. I was already pro-life, but I was

:20:24.:20:27.

shocked at how fully formed he was at 13 weeks. He had five fingers

:20:28.:20:33.

with fingernails. The most standout feature was a fully formed ER,

:20:34.:20:37.

really tiny. And it would be a shame for the Irish people to lose the

:20:38.:20:42.

eighth Amendment and to lose what has protected the lives of

:20:43.:20:48.

thousands. In our report, it has been shown to have protected over

:20:49.:20:52.

100,000 lives in Ireland, and it would be a shame to see that lost,

:20:53.:20:56.

and it is not what the Irish people want. We need to talk about what

:20:57.:21:03.

repealing the amendment would do, what it would apply to, whether it

:21:04.:21:06.

was restricted abortion or wider abortion. We have seen that wider

:21:07.:21:12.

abortion is not what the Irish people want. You are putting a lot

:21:13.:21:17.

in there, so I want to put some of it back to Janet. When you hear

:21:18.:21:21.

Katie describe having seen a brother, a feat is a 13 weeks, fully

:21:22.:21:29.

developed, how do you react? -- a foetus. Most abortions take place in

:21:30.:21:43.

the first nine weeks with pills. Those medicines should be available

:21:44.:21:47.

to anyone in Ireland who wants to end a pregnancy instead of women

:21:48.:21:50.

having to take them illegally and wasting a 14 year criminal sentence.

:21:51.:21:59.

These medicines are used routinely for an incomplete miscarriage. They

:22:00.:22:04.

are the best option for people. We need to have the referendum, repeal

:22:05.:22:08.

the eighth Amendment, then we need to look at legislation and policy

:22:09.:22:12.

for the type of services people need in Ireland. Katie, would you support

:22:13.:22:18.

a referendum? Should people just be able to have their say? You have

:22:19.:22:25.

said what the polling indicates, but why not a referendum? If we had it

:22:26.:22:29.

tomorrow, it would be a huge injustice to the Irish people,

:22:30.:22:35.

because we haven't seen a there debate on this issue. We had one of

:22:36.:22:44.

the biggest demonstrations in Ireland ever in 2013, and I was

:22:45.:22:49.

hardly any media coverage for it, unfortunately. We need to have a

:22:50.:22:53.

fair debate on this issue. Importantly, we need to be talking

:22:54.:22:59.

about what we would be repealing. Removing the eighth amendment could

:23:00.:23:04.

really open the doors... In fact, what the abortion rights campaigners

:23:05.:23:08.

are pushing for... To be clear, if there were a referendum, there would

:23:09.:23:11.

be time in the run-up for there to be a full and open debate. Would you

:23:12.:23:17.

then accept a referendum? I would hope so. This is what we have been

:23:18.:23:22.

seeing so far will stop the march for choice on Saturday say that they

:23:23.:23:29.

are backed by student unions. I have seen this student unions the

:23:30.:23:35.

incredibly biased. Let's bring Janet back. The floodgates won't open.

:23:36.:23:41.

Irish law will stay the same and that the heart of that is the 1841

:23:42.:23:46.

abortion law, which is Victorian, the same law we have in Northern

:23:47.:23:52.

Ireland and the republic. When we repeal, the law stays exactly as it

:23:53.:23:58.

is. Abortion will only be legal if there is immediate risk to the life

:23:59.:24:02.

of the pregnant person. When it comes the legislation, we have seen

:24:03.:24:06.

that Government after Government has been very slow in Ireland about

:24:07.:24:11.

doing this. There was drafted legislation there. By not having

:24:12.:24:19.

proper legislation we are violating human rights. We are out of step

:24:20.:24:22.

with the rest of the world in terms of women's right. A court ruled that

:24:23.:24:30.

not allowing abortion is not compatible with the human rights of

:24:31.:24:38.

women. -- a UN committee. They have been bullying the Irish people about

:24:39.:24:43.

their abortion laws. It is this same committee... A court came to the

:24:44.:24:55.

same conclusion. I will leave the UN alone then. There have been cases

:24:56.:24:59.

where parents have been told that 100% their child will not live, and

:25:00.:25:03.

some of those children are alive today. One example is Grace, whose

:25:04.:25:09.

parents were told she would not survive, and she is now taking

:25:10.:25:12.

swimming lessons. It can be upsetting. Would you be completely

:25:13.:25:19.

against abortions in any of those scenarios - rape or incest? Those

:25:20.:25:26.

are two of the most healers and abhorrent crimes towards women, and

:25:27.:25:30.

when it comes to the eighth Amendment and the abortion issue, we

:25:31.:25:37.

are not looking... That is not what the abortion rights campaigners are

:25:38.:25:43.

looking to, they want wide-ranging abortion. It is a distraction from

:25:44.:25:47.

what is really at stake and what is really being pushed forward, and the

:25:48.:25:51.

Irish people deserve to know that. We deserve to know the facts about

:25:52.:26:01.

abortion. We can see from scans... We are almost out of time. Janet, on

:26:02.:26:06.

that point, how do you respond to what Katie is saying about them not

:26:07.:26:14.

having been a proper debate? Irish broadcast laws are strict about how

:26:15.:26:18.

this issue has to be represented and how there have to be ballots.

:26:19.:26:22.

Whether the debate is fair or not, it is technically very balanced. --

:26:23.:26:29.

we have to have balance. We know it will take a long time to get there.

:26:30.:26:33.

Most abortions happen in less than the first ten weeks. We're looking

:26:34.:26:39.

forward to asking people to join us tomorrow. The march starts at 1:30pm

:26:40.:26:44.

in the garden of remembrance at Parnell Square. Some breaking news

:26:45.:26:48.

to bring you. We are hearing that the two people who were being tried

:26:49.:26:56.

in India for the rape and murder of Scarlett Keeling, the 15-year-old,

:26:57.:27:03.

in 2008, have been cleared. A judge has cleared the two defendants of

:27:04.:27:11.

the rape and murder of Scarlett Keeling in 2008. You may have seen

:27:12.:27:15.

my interview with her mother, Fiona, just prior to that verdict being

:27:16.:27:20.

delivered. She has been out there for the court hearing. She had to

:27:21.:27:27.

push for her daughter's killing two initially be investigated as a

:27:28.:27:31.

murder. Police said it was an accidental death initially, but

:27:32.:27:35.

sheep washed for further investigations, and that is what has

:27:36.:27:43.

led to this court case. She was speaking -- but she pushed for

:27:44.:27:47.

further investigations. We will try to speak again to Fiona

:27:48.:28:04.

if we can, in the wake of that verdict. Those two men, found not

:28:05.:28:15.

guilty. Let's catch up with all the day's news.

:28:16.:28:21.

The internet giant Yahoo is under pressure to explain how it failed

:28:22.:28:24.

to notice for two years what is thought to have been

:28:25.:28:26.

The company has urged its customers to consider

:28:27.:28:30.

changing their passwords after hackers stole information

:28:31.:28:31.

Yahoo said the breach included names and emails, but no

:28:32.:28:35.

If you have any questions or concerns about cyber security

:28:36.:28:39.

you can put your questions to internet expert Grant Paling.

:28:40.:28:42.

He'll be here to answer them for you here at 11:30

:28:43.:28:44.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This -

:28:45.:28:49.

The Syrian city of Aleppo has come under a fresh wave

:28:50.:28:56.

Rescue workers say they have seen Russian warplanes over the city.

:28:57.:29:02.

There were heavy attacks overnight as the Syrian government announced

:29:03.:29:05.

a new offensive to take the rebel-held east of the city.

:29:06.:29:07.

The latest fighting comes as the United States and Russia -

:29:08.:29:10.

at talks in New York - failed to revive a ceasefire.

:29:11.:29:15.

Prosecutors in the US State of Oklahoma have charged a white

:29:16.:29:18.

policewoman who shot an unarmed black man with manslaughter.

:29:19.:29:23.

Video footage has emerged showing the Terence Crutcher

:29:24.:29:26.

walking away from officers in Tulsa with his hands in the air.

:29:27.:29:36.

Meanwhile, protesters have defied a curfew put

:29:37.:29:38.

in place in Charlotte, North Carolina, where people

:29:39.:29:40.

have been gathering for the past three nights.

:29:41.:29:42.

The demonstrations there follow the killing of a black man

:29:43.:29:44.

by police on Tuesday, but officers decided

:29:45.:29:46.

against enforcing the curfew, as protests were largely peaceful.

:29:47.:29:48.

There have been calls for footage of the shooting to be released,

:29:49.:29:51.

The Prime Minsiter says that every effort must be made to stop

:29:52.:29:56.

the legal system being abused over allegations of serious

:29:57.:29:58.

Theresa May told Defence chiefs she is determined to stop

:29:59.:30:03.

"vexatious" claims being brought against the armed forces.

:30:04.:30:05.

Two separate inquiries are investigating around 2,000

:30:06.:30:07.

allegations against troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

:30:08.:30:17.

That is a summary of the latest news. Join me for BBC newsroom live

:30:18.:30:26.

at 11am. We can go back to the breaking news, two men accused of

:30:27.:30:30.

killing a British teenager Scarlett Keeling on a beach in India have

:30:31.:30:35.

been cleared of her murder. We can bring in our correspondent. The

:30:36.:30:39.

verdict is just through. Tell us more about how long the process has

:30:40.:30:44.

taken for it to get to court. It has been going on eight years. It will

:30:45.:30:51.

be devastating news for Scarlett Keeling's mother. I met her in

:30:52.:30:58.

October 2008, once after her daughter's death and she said then

:30:59.:31:02.

she vowed she would try to get justice for her daughter. It has

:31:03.:31:10.

been a lengthy process and Fiona McKeown has been out to India many

:31:11.:31:13.

times. This is not the verdict she wanted. Scarlett Keeling's body was

:31:14.:31:25.

found in 2008 on the beach in Goa. The student from Devon has been at a

:31:26.:31:30.

Valentine's Day beach party. Her mother left her there while the

:31:31.:31:33.

family continued travelling around India. She thought she was safe with

:31:34.:31:39.

the people they had met and she was staying with. A postmortem showed

:31:40.:31:44.

there was ecstasy, cocaine and LSD in her daughter's body and at the

:31:45.:31:50.

time Fiona McKeown had to push to get the postmortem because the

:31:51.:31:54.

authorities initially said it was an accidental death. That Scarlett

:31:55.:32:01.

Keeling had drowned. Following a lengthy investigation, two local men

:32:02.:32:06.

were charged with causing her death. In the past few minutes they have

:32:07.:32:11.

been found not guilty of that. It is alleged they plied her with drugs,

:32:12.:32:17.

raped her and left her unconscious and then she subsequently drowned,

:32:18.:32:22.

but both men have always denied charges of culpable homicide and

:32:23.:32:28.

grievous sexual assault. Scarlett Keeling was found with 50 separate

:32:29.:32:34.

injuries in the attack that was heard in the children's court. We

:32:35.:32:39.

understand because the men have not been found guilty, India's top

:32:40.:32:45.

investigating agency, the Central bureau of investigation, is expected

:32:46.:32:50.

to challenge the ruling. It will mean today's verdict is not the end

:32:51.:32:57.

of this very long case. We are hoping to speak to Fiona again, we

:32:58.:33:01.

spoke to her before that verdict. Now we can catch up with the sport.

:33:02.:33:06.

Middlesex resume against Yorkshire in the dramatic finale to the County

:33:07.:33:14.

Championship. 81-2 in the second innings and a win for either team

:33:15.:33:19.

will secure the title. Aberdeen complete the line-up for the

:33:20.:33:23.

Scottish League Cup semifinals after beating St Johnstone and will now

:33:24.:33:28.

play Morton. Rangers play Celtic in the other match. A rusty Ronnie

:33:29.:33:32.

O'Sullivan has been knocked out of the Shanghai Masters, losing to

:33:33.:33:37.

Michael Holt. His first tournament since the World Championships in

:33:38.:33:42.

April. Holiday-makers are asked to fund British Olympians when they

:33:43.:33:47.

booked trips abroad. The governing body British ski and snowboard will

:33:48.:33:51.

set up a fund for donations when people book their skiing holiday.

:33:52.:33:54.

Thanks. After two nights of violence,

:33:55.:34:02.

police in Charlotte North Carolina chose not to strictly enforce

:34:03.:34:04.

a curfew aimed at ending the protests which have followed

:34:05.:34:07.

the killing of a black suspect A largely peaceful protest of

:34:08.:34:09.

several hundred people took place. Police maintain that they believed

:34:10.:34:13.

43-year-old Keith Scott was carrying a gun when he was shot dead,

:34:14.:34:18.

but his family say he His family's lawyer said a video

:34:19.:34:21.

of the incident showed that Mr Scott was making no aggressive moves

:34:22.:34:26.

towards police in the moments before Meanwhile, in Oklahoma,

:34:27.:34:29.

a woman police officer has been charged with manslaughter

:34:30.:34:33.

after shooting dead The incidents have reignited

:34:34.:34:40.

the debate over the police Charlotte's police chief said he

:34:41.:34:57.

would not release the video of the killing to the public.

:34:58.:35:00.

What I can tell you that I saw, and I was very clear

:35:01.:35:03.

when I talked about this before, is the video does not

:35:04.:35:06.

give me absolute definitive visual evidence that...

:35:07.:35:10.

That would confirm that a person is pointing a gun.

:35:11.:35:16.

I did not see that in the videos that I've reviewed.

:35:17.:35:20.

So what I can tell you, though, is when taken

:35:21.:35:23.

in the totality of all the other evidence, it supports what we've

:35:24.:35:28.

heard in the version of the truth that we gave about the circumstances

:35:29.:35:31.

that happened that led to the death of Mr Scott.

:35:32.:35:41.

We can talk to a lawyer offering to take on cases of people who have

:35:42.:35:50.

been arrested while demonstrating. It seems the protests have become

:35:51.:35:56.

more peaceful. Were you involved? I was involved in the protest that had

:35:57.:36:05.

heavy police involvement and did get violent and resulted in the death of

:36:06.:36:13.

a protest. The protests tonight were completely different. The energy was

:36:14.:36:20.

different. Why do you think that is? I think people were impulsive and

:36:21.:36:26.

angry last night and there was a lack of involvement from the people

:36:27.:36:30.

who lead us in the community, from clergy, from leaders in the

:36:31.:36:37.

community. It was people who were very disappointed. The police chief

:36:38.:36:43.

said he is determined to get to the bottom of this and has let the

:36:44.:36:47.

family see a video of what happened but will not release it to the

:36:48.:36:53.

public. Are you confident it is being handled correctly? No. I

:36:54.:37:00.

personally am not as a private citizen and as an attorney, I think

:37:01.:37:07.

a large portion of unrest here stems from a lack of transparency. The

:37:08.:37:16.

decision not to release does not quell vat. Does not quell vat of

:37:17.:37:23.

unrest in certain portions of the population. Is it actually clear

:37:24.:37:29.

whether Keith Scott was carrying a gun or whether it was a book? It is

:37:30.:37:34.

not clear at this point. His family has stipulated he did not habitually

:37:35.:37:42.

carry a firearm and what is more important is that North Carolina is

:37:43.:37:47.

an open carry state, which means it is legal, if you legally have a

:37:48.:37:54.

firearm that is licensed to you it is legal for you to have that gun

:37:55.:37:59.

visible. What is not the goal is to point or brandished a gun at anyone,

:38:00.:38:11.

specifically a police dash dash-macro what is not legal is to

:38:12.:38:22.

point or brandish that gun. Why has it not been clarified? The family

:38:23.:38:28.

has stipulated... I just read this article from a news network in the

:38:29.:38:36.

states. The gun that would have all could have been used, if there was

:38:37.:38:41.

any, would have been small and from the angle of the film, as the police

:38:42.:38:49.

chief said, you are not capable of distinguishing, at this point. I am

:38:50.:38:54.

not sure what enhanced analysis could be done to that video at a

:38:55.:38:59.

later time. How does trust get restored now? By transparency.

:39:00.:39:12.

Policing in the United States is broken. There are good people who

:39:13.:39:18.

are police officers but it is difficult to be a good police

:39:19.:39:23.

officer when policing is corrupt. People of colour are

:39:24.:39:34.

disproportionately targeted by police and the justice system as a

:39:35.:39:39.

whole. I think we need clear directives from not only local

:39:40.:39:43.

agents and involvement with community leaders working in

:39:44.:39:50.

conjunction with police, but also at federal level there needs to be

:39:51.:39:54.

oversight and I think that has been and will continue to be a large

:39:55.:40:01.

portion of the upcoming election and how the electorate decides to cast

:40:02.:40:09.

their vote. Thanks for joining us. Some breaking news. We hear that

:40:10.:40:15.

Christopher Halliwell has been sentenced to a whole life order at

:40:16.:40:20.

Bristol Crown Court for the murder of Becky Godden. He is 52 and

:40:21.:40:25.

already serving a life sentence for the murder of Sean O'Callaghan, who

:40:26.:40:31.

he abducted in his taxi as she headed home from a night out in

:40:32.:40:35.

Swindon in 2011. He was already serving a life sentence for that and

:40:36.:40:41.

as he was sentenced today for a second murder he was facing a whole

:40:42.:40:47.

life order and that is what we are hearing he got. He confessed to

:40:48.:40:55.

killing Sean O'Callaghan. He took -- Sian O'Callaghan. He took police to

:40:56.:41:02.

her body and that was when he led them to Becky Godden, who had been

:41:03.:41:06.

missing. He later denied murdering Becky Godden, but he was convicted

:41:07.:41:12.

after a two-week trial at Bristol Crown Court at which he represented

:41:13.:41:17.

himself. We can bring in our correspondent who has been following

:41:18.:41:22.

the case. He has been given a whole life order, what does that mean? We

:41:23.:41:29.

expected this to happen because Christopher Halliwell since 2012 has

:41:30.:41:33.

been serving a life sentence in jail. Pleading guilty to murder in

:41:34.:41:42.

2012, given 25 years minimum term. He would have been in jail until he

:41:43.:41:48.

was about 70 but now he has been convicted to a second murder, that

:41:49.:41:52.

of Becky Godden, and the judge said there is no need him to impose a

:41:53.:41:58.

minimum term, which means basically he has a whole life sentence. It

:41:59.:42:04.

started in 2011 when Christopher Halliwell was arrested over the

:42:05.:42:08.

disappearance of Sian O'Callaghan a 22-year-old who went missing in

:42:09.:42:14.

Swindon. He led police a field in Oxfordshire, where you see the large

:42:15.:42:18.

chalk horse carved into the hillside. He showed them where he

:42:19.:42:22.

had dumped her body but then something strange happened because

:42:23.:42:26.

at that point he said to police, there is another one, I have killed

:42:27.:42:31.

somebody else. He said it was a prostitute he had abducted in

:42:32.:42:37.

Swindon in 2003 and on that same day he led police to another field 20

:42:38.:42:43.

miles away Gloucs. He showed them where to dig. He paced out into the

:42:44.:42:50.

field and said if you dig there you will find another body and they did.

:42:51.:42:55.

They identified the bones they found to be those of Becky Godden.

:42:56.:43:00.

Christopher Halliwell was tried for the murder of Sian O'Callaghan and

:43:01.:43:06.

then tried for the second murder of Becky Godden, found guilty and now

:43:07.:43:09.

we know he will spend the rest of his life in prison. Those two

:43:10.:43:14.

murders were eight years apart and police are looking potentially at

:43:15.:43:17.

whether he did anything else between those two. That is right. They have

:43:18.:43:24.

openly speculated they do not know what he might have been doing in the

:43:25.:43:30.

eight years between. They do not know if the murder of Becky Godden,

:43:31.:43:36.

last seen in 2003, whether that was his first. They have openly

:43:37.:43:40.

speculated that they thought he may have been active in those eight

:43:41.:43:45.

years and afterwards. The man in charge of the murder inquiries said

:43:46.:43:49.

although he had no direct evidence to link Christopher Halliwell to any

:43:50.:43:54.

other murders, they were looking at potential missing people to see if

:43:55.:43:58.

there were similarities because there were similarities between

:43:59.:44:06.

Becky's and Sian's murder, they were both stripped, strangled and buried,

:44:07.:44:10.

Sian was not buried, but hidden in undergrowth and it was thought he

:44:11.:44:13.

would go back to bury her but was caught before he could. He was a

:44:14.:44:20.

taxi driver, often driving people to Heathrow. Police enquiries are not

:44:21.:44:25.

confined to Swindon, they are looking all over the country. It is

:44:26.:44:29.

thought, perhaps, he could be responsible for more killings.

:44:30.:44:33.

The Syrian military has announced a new offensive

:44:34.:44:35.

in rebel-held eastern Aleppo, where a quarter of a million people

:44:36.:44:37.

It comes after jets pounded rebel positions in the city on Wednesday

:44:38.:44:41.

night as a week-old truce collapsed, reportedly killing

:44:42.:44:43.

It is unclear whether the new offensive will

:44:44.:44:46.

Meanwhile, talks between the US and Russia on reviving the collapsed

:44:47.:44:52.

ceasefire have broken up without progress in New York.

:44:53.:44:56.

Caroline Anning is the Humanitarian Emergencies Media Manager

:44:57.:44:58.

She joins us by webcam from Antakya in Southern Turkey,

:44:59.:45:02.

Now that the offensive is well and truly on-again, what your concerns?

:45:03.:45:24.

We're hearing this morning from Aleppo is devastating. Our partners

:45:25.:45:28.

are trapped. They can't even run ambulances. They were hoping to

:45:29.:45:33.

visit her severely injured colleague, hurt in an air strike

:45:34.:45:37.

yesterday, so we know there is violence in Aleppo currently. There

:45:38.:45:42.

is no late getting into the city and other parts of the country. -- no

:45:43.:46:01.

aid. Until you stop the violence... There were over 60 air strikes

:46:02.:46:09.

between last night and this morning. Equipment and ambulances have been

:46:10.:46:12.

destroyed, so it is almost impossible for people to help or to

:46:13.:46:18.

bring a. We need a ceasefire to hold and then to be able to deliver aid.

:46:19.:46:23.

They did not manage that in New York this week. The world leaders were

:46:24.:46:26.

there and they could not find agreement. It is not good enough to

:46:27.:46:32.

put your hands up and say, we could not help so all these people we be

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trapped and bombed their game. They have to keep working to find a way

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to get aid into those areas. We have seen lots of descriptions about what

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life is like in Aleppo, which has been under siege for such a

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prolonged period, but tell us the sorts of stories you hear. We're

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hearing that children are malnourished and sick. Hospitals are

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overwhelmed. When they take people in, there is blood on the floor, no

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beds for anybody. I don't want to be too stark, but it is such an

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unimaginably awful situation for people. Never is very little food

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getting in. Yesterday, one of our people was injured in an air strike.

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He's 25, a medic. His house was bombed as he was preparing for the

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arrival of his first baby. He had just got the cot, baby clothes and

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blankets, which are not able to get, and it was all destroyed and he had

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to be taken to hospital. These tragedies are repeated day in, day

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out, not just in Aleppo but all over Syria. There has to be more we can

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do to help. Thank you for joining us. It is 13 minutes to 11th.

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More trouble for Hollywood's star couple.

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Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie announced on Monday

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Now, the FBI has said it is considering whether to launch

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an investigation into an alleged incident on an aircraft carrying

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According to gossip website TMZ, the allegations stem from a flight

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last week when Mr Pitt is alleged to have got drunk.

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We can speak to Caroline Frost, entertainment editor at the

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Huffington Post. Every day brings a new level of drama in this break-up,

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doesn't it? What is the latest with the FBI? I have to say, I have been

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in Beverly Hills all week, and my phone is alive when I've flown into

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London today. Either we are talking about Bake Off or Brangelina. There

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was a hint that an incident happened last week that was because of the

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breakdown of their marriage, and now what has become apparent is that it

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culminated in a huge row on a private plane, flying to their

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private home in France. The rumour is that Brad Pitt had a big row with

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one of his children and was apparently wasted, the quote said.

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The authorities are being forced, as they have two, to investigate. It

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sounds dramatic. Because it happened in the air, that is where the FBI

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has jurisdiction. It sounds like it all sort of suddenly ended in this

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cataclysmic moment of drama, and prior to that, the perception had

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been of this couple that were always out together, seen at red-carpet

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events looking happy. Presumably, it doesn't happen like that. Were the

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rumours for some time? Yes. If you think about how they started out,

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they are almost a mirror image of each other. They were the glossiest

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of the glossy. In the last two years, especially since Angelina

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Jolie went through her double mastectomy, she has cut a much more

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serious figure. We are far more likely to see her at the UN rat

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refugee camps fulfilling her role for the UN. Brad Pitt has gone from

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strength to strength in the acting world. His production company was

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behind 12 Years A Slave. Who knows what goes on inside a marriage, but

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they are on different paths. Are you surprised that it is playing out in

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public? They could keep it quiet if they wanted, presumably. None of

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them has said anything about the other in anything other than glowing

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terms. Brad Pitt said a few years ago that choosing Angelina Jolie as

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the mother of his children was the wisest thing he ever did. Angelina

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Jolie has been utterly loyal, when perhaps other wives would have

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differed. She said she loved Brad in all his forms, shapes and sizes. I

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think this is why the media jumped on it, because it is such a

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cataclysm of differing opinion. Hollywood being what it is, it will

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split into two very polarised camps. It is obviously an environment where

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they are both in the same business, and there are lots of events which

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might require them both to be at the same Place, particularly the Oscars.

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They did not appear on the same red-carpet for years with Brad

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Pitt's ex-wife Jennifer Aniston until four five years ago, when

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Jennifer Aniston had John Maher on her arm. It was a well-publicised

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meeting of all of and Jennifer Aniston acquitted herself with

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impeccable grace, beaming at them in the front row of the auditorium.

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They are likely to cross. They have six children, which is a lot of

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interwoven life still to come. Good to talk to you, Carolyn. Thank you

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very much. Research that involved a British man

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living in the Alps as a goat for three days has won one of this

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year's Ig Nobel prizes. The spoof awards, which have become

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almost as famous as the real Nobels, have just been handed out

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at their annual ceremony at the prestigious American Harvard

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University. Other studies honoured

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during the event examined Thomas Thwaites

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attended the ceremony The Ig Nobel prize for biology is

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awarded jointly to Charles Foster and Thomas Thwaite, for creating

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prosthetic extensions of his limbs that allowed him to move in the

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manner of and spent time roaming hills in the company of goats. Well,

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other prizes this year include the psychology prize, which went to the

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team... Other prizes this year include

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the psychology prize, which went to the team that asked a thousand

:53:28.:53:29.

liars how often they lied, and the chemistry prize was awarded

:53:30.:53:32.

to Volkswagen for their efforts There's often serious intent behind

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some of the research. Dr Helen Ashdown is

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from Oxford University. She was awarded an Ig Nobel prize

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last year for her study that looked at whether pain while going over

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speed bumps can be used to help I brought along my prize so that you

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can have a look. Hold it up and explained what it is. This is one of

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the Ig Nobel prizes. Do you keep it on the mantelpiece? Yes, proudly. We

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realised that lots of patients coming to hospital with suspected

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appendicitis who then went on to have a diagnosis said that the

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journey to hospital had been really painful and that they had pain going

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over speed bumps, and we wanted to test that and see if it was true,

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backing it up with real research evidence. We set up a study to find

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out. Wasn't it obvious what the answer would be? So, we found that

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of the patients we looked at who had suspected appendicitis, 97% of those

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who went on to have appendicitis had had pain going over speed bump, and

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that is important because it means that it is an excellent ruling out

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test, which means that if you don't have pain, it is unlikely that you

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have appendicitis. People think that appendicitis would be easy to

:54:52.:54:55.

diagnose, but it is not. Anything that can help doctors to narrow down

:54:56.:55:03.

the diagnosis is really helpful. So it is really interesting, then. It

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has been a bit ridiculous because of the fact that you got the Ig Nobel,

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but actually, it has a good scientific basis. Totally. And the

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Ig Nobel prizes are supposed to be research that first makes you laugh

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but then makes you think. There is pretty much always a serious side to

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the research. The findings are being used across the world, which is nice

:55:29.:55:32.

to see. And that is what we wanted to do, to do research that would

:55:33.:55:37.

make a difference to people and to patients but that would actually be

:55:38.:55:43.

also quite fun. What do you make of the goat guy, then? Can you see

:55:44.:55:49.

something serious there? I haven't had a chance to read what he has

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done in detail. It looked interesting, what he was doing

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pretending to be different animals. A great way to spend time.

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Obviously, you showed us your trophy, and you are proud of it, but

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what does it do in terms of getting people talking about the sort of

:56:11.:56:13.

things you are doing? So, the response has been overwhelmingly

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positive to the Ig Nobel. It has been fantastic for getting our

:56:19.:56:21.

research out around the world. The great thing about the speed bump

:56:22.:56:25.

test is that it can be used in all sort of settings and it doesn't cost

:56:26.:56:30.

money, so it is a fantastic diagnostic test in that sense. It

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has been brilliant. People love to criticise something that sounds like

:56:37.:56:38.

it is stating the obvious. Did it cost money to do that research? We

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have had a few people criticising it, saying why is public money being

:56:45.:56:49.

spent on this? It is not silly, because it makes a difference to

:56:50.:56:52.

patients and helps the diagnose what can be a serious condition. All the

:56:53.:56:57.

researchers did it in their own time, so we did not cost money. It

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was great fun. So, is it something now that is rolled out when the

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appendicitis diagnosis is being carried out? It depends on there

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being speed bumps on the journey. Across Britain, there are speed

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bumps everywhere up, and the majority of patients have travelled

:57:22.:57:24.

over some sort of bump in the road which can be used. It is used as a

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test quite widely across hospitals. The beauty of it is that the patient

:57:31.:57:34.

doesn't need to be there in front of you. I am a GP, and we can use it on

:57:35.:57:40.

the phone in talking to patients, asking them if they have been on a

:57:41.:57:44.

journey and if they had pain. If they say it has been fine, and Oxon

:57:45.:57:50.

has loads of speed bumps, we can say that it is pretty unlikely that it

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is appendicitis, which is reassuring for the doctor Randy patient.

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Interesting to talk to you, Helen Ashdown. Thank you very much. -- for

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the doctor and the patient. An e-mail from Robert: The Bake Off is

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no more. It is unlikely that Channel 4 will be able to recreate the

:58:17.:58:19.

special alchemy that made the programme so successful, and why

:58:20.:58:22.

would the BBC want to start again? Thank you for your comments.

:58:23.:58:24.

Don't forget the programme with the full results of the Labour

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leadership election 50 years ago,

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they became superstars in astronomy,

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