26/09/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Monday, it's 9:00am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Police investigating the disappearance of the Sheffield

toddler Ben Needham 25 years ago will begin excavation work

reporting live from Kos, where police say they are optimistic about

finding evidence that could solve this 25 year mystery. What did

happen to Ben Needham in 1991? Also today - this programme has been

told that a US firm used by the Government to cut tax credit

payments received calls We were dealing with people claiming

that they were going to commit suicide. You have to try and keep

them on the phone while the manager phones the police to go to their

address to make sure they are OK. Concentrix say their staff

follow the guidelines - we'll bring you more of that

exclusive story around 9:15. Plus, after Jeremy Corbyn's decisive

victory at the weekend to retain his job as leader

of the Labour party, we'll talk to voters

about what they want to see now I made Jeremy Corbyn supporter and I

believe he gives Labour the chance to have an identity which they lost

before the 2015 general election. I have always voted Labour, but now I

reluctantly don't want to vote Labour because of Jeremy Corbyn.

Plenty more to come from our audience of voters.

And plans to strengthen the international ban on ivory trade

are being discussed today in a bid to stop the slaughter

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It has been a quarter of a century since British toddler Ben Needham

went missing on the Greek Island of Kos and today, police will today

start excavating a site there in the latest search for him.

Ben vanished in 1991 and no trace of him has ever been found.

A public appeal in Greece earlier this year led to information

which detectives believe has given them an important new lead,

about a possible digger accident close to where the 21-month-old was

Let's talk now to our correspondent in Kos,

Tell us more about what will happen today. This is day one of a dig

which could last ten to 12 days. Two weeks of work to carry out at this

site. We are right outside the building where Ben Needham was

playing on the day he vanished on that July afternoon. His mother has

always campaigned in the belief that he was abducted and that he is still

alive. However, it has looked increasingly likely now, from what

police investigations have been taking place, particularly recently

with the renewed investigation, that he may have been the victim of an

accident on the day he vanished and he may have been accidentally run

over and buried by a bulldozer that was working here at the time. So

South Yorkshire Police have come here to the island of Kos to carry

out some work to start that excavation. A little while ago, the

senior investigating officer here told us what he hoped to get and

what was likely to happen. There was a team here in 2012 doing

a search of an area of land to my right that was based

on information that was known at that time -

a very thorough and intricate A number of items were found

during that search which now bear significance, having had opportunity

to do the investigation that we've As a result of that

and the new information that came to light in May, that is why

the decision has been made to search the area of land that

we are now doing. To cut through the police speak

about what is happening, basically, someone has come forward with new

information and they believe that information points them to the fact

that Ben was the victim of an accident on the day he vanished.

They are now digging to see if they can find Ben's remains, and police

say they are optimistic that they could solve this mystery. Thank you,

Danny. Let's get the summary now

from the BBC Newsroom. New and startling claims have

emerged this morning about Concentrix -

the firm used by the government This programme can reveal the firm

have been told to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

arrive at their homes. A whistleblower has told us

they received hundreds of calls from distressed people who had not

received advance warning With some people screaming

at call centre workers. And Victoria will be speaking

to a claimant who had her benefits Theresa May's supporters have hit

back at claims she was branded "lily-livered" by former PM

David Cameron after urging him to take a softer line on immigration

during EU negotiations before June's Sources close to Mrs May say

she wrote to Mr Cameron making the case for what was described

as an "emergency brake" to curb the number of people coming

to the UK from the rest of Europe. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

has told BBC News that Britain should increase borrowing

in the short-term in order to create for the ?100 billion investment by

increased employment. His comments

come amidst calls for unity in the party, following a divisive

leadership campaign. The UK's ambassador

to the United Nations has walked out of an emergency session

of the Security Council, Matthew Rycroft left the meeting

after accusing the governments of Syria and Russia of unleashing

a "new hell" on the city of Aleppo. Activists say more than 200

civilians have been killed in the rebel-held part

of Aleppo in the past week. The owner of Alton Towers will be

sentenced today after admitting health and safety breaches which led

to the crash of the Smiler ride 18-year-old Leah Washington and

20-year-old Vicky Blanch both had to have a leg amputated

after the smash and three others A debate about how to prevent

the extinction of African elephants is expected to dominate the world's

biggest conference on species protection, which has

opened in Johannesburg. Delegates from 180

countries are taking part in the meeting of the Convention

on the International Trade They will discuss measures

to protect hundreds of types Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton

will go head-to-head in the first candidates running neck

and neck in the polls, their performances will be

heavily scrutinised. Tens of millions of people

are expected to tune in. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

have been meeting Syrian refugees in Vancouver

as they continue their The couple went to hear what support

the Canadian government is giving It's the first time the Cambridges

have toured as a family of four, with both Prince George

and Princess Charlotte. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

and if you text, you will be charged Golf great Arnold Palmer

has died overnight. Let's cross straight to the BBC

Sport Centre and join John Watson. Tell us why he made such an impact

on golf. I think it was as much to do with the way he played the game

as it was with what he did away from the game. He was a hugely successful

golfer. He won seven major titles over 60 US PGA Tour titles. Looking

at these black-and-white pictures, I think it is about when he was

playing the game. This was when golf was being beamed around the world in

black and white TV before it moved into colour. He was at the forefront

of growing the game globally. Commercially, he was very photogenic

and had huge charisma, a real big personality. And that transcended

the game. We talk about the word legend. Used within a sporting

context, people who break out on beyond the world of sport, he

certainly did that. A fascinating character, huge personality. Rory

McIlroy said overnight that he didn't feel any one had left a

legacy like Arnold Palmer. McIlroy is obviously one of the current

generation, hugely successful himself, but interesting that even

he, as one of the frontrunners of the game, appreciated what Arnold

Palmer did for the game. More reaction from the golfing world?

Yes. President Barack Obama tweeted a lovely picture from the White

House. The former World number one and 14

time major winner Tiger Woods said: I guess that shows what high regard

he was held in. Hugely endearing character and much loved within the

golfing community. Rory McIlroy gave his reaction to the death of Arnold

Palmer after what was a very lucrative 24 hours for him. Yes,

usually. He has just pocketed ?7.7 million for winning the FedExCup,

which is a culmination of events. He has now topped that, and he did so

by winning the tour championship last night. This was him on the

16th. At this point, he was three shots off the lead. That was a legal

meaning he shot back up the leaderboard and then birdied the

last two holes, so that meant he went into a three-way play-off, and

he won it on the fourth play-off hole. Talk about pressure. But you

can see why he is so happy, ?7.7 million. He will be at the forefront

of the European team heading into the Ryder Cup, which starts next

week. And away from golf, a first for Manchester City. Yes, they have

won their first SWM title. They won 2-0 against the Chelsea ladies,

which means they cannot be caught. Goals from Katie Chapman and Toni

Duggan, who scored a penalty to seal the win. That is their first WSL

puddle. They are also competing in the Continental cup final next

month, so more potential silverware for the Manchester City ladies.

This morning, fresh and startling claims about Concentrix,

the firm used by the government to cut tax credit payments.

This programme can reveal that Concentrix staff have been told

to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

In an exclusive interview, a whistleblower told us claimants

"screamed" at call-centre workers after their tax credits were cut,

claiming "hundreds" of households had not received advance warning

credits - this is how it unfolded, this clip we're about to show

This programme has exclusively learned that a 19-year-old mum

had her child tax credits stopped by a private firm used by HMRC

after they said she was married to a dead 74-year-old man

She's one of hundreds of people claiming they have been incorrectly

punished by the American firm, Concentrix, which is employed

by HMRC to cut tax credit fraud and overpayment.

I lost ?64 each week, and that normally obviously goes

on my son, on nappies, wipes, food, gas and electric

They have absolutely unfairly stopped people's benefit on a really

And there are many more where those came from.

As you'd expect, we asked the private American firm Concentrix

Instead, they told us, "We recognise that individual tax

credit claims can be difficult for all concerned.

We adopt a rigorous process at every stage to ensure

we manage this responsibly, in full, according to

we manage this responsibly, in full accordance with

I've done nothing wrong and they know that, but I'm

My tax credit was cut at the beginning of August.

It took me three to five hours a day for a week

I've lost my child tax credit and working tax

credits, which is the bulk of what I get each month.

And how much are you down by as a result of what you say

I've had no money for two weeks now and I've had

Because of this, my housing benefit could be stopped as well,

which means that my tenancy could be affected.

Hours after we exclusively revealed on this programme yesterday that

a US firm was accused by hundreds of you of wrongly stopping your tax

credits, Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs announced they would not

be renewing its contract when it runs out next year.

HMRC has acted pretty decisively in this.

And clearly, anyone who is dealing with people who are claiming

benefits needs to be sensitive to their needs as well as

Why does it take the BBC's programme, two days running,

to bring ministers to this dispatch box?

On Monday, a member of my staff was given the runaround

Yesterday in Parliament, the issue prompted an urgent

Let's talk to our reporter, Peter Whittlesea.

Let's talk now to our reporter Peter Whittlesea who has more.

The latest from HMRC is today, they are getting executives

from Concentrix in and they will be talking to them about the issues

that they need to address because they are not

Many of these have talked about the problem is that

They also said that this programme had highlighted what a big issue

it was and how the mistakes were affecting hundreds of people.

Sources close to this have told me that just before we did our report,

our exclusive report, HMRC and Concentrix were close

Concentrix was only told an hour before HMRC told the press

that their contract was not being renewed.

That is why some staff in Belfast heard that potentially their jobs

could be at risk with tweets from the BBC rather

Let's talk now to our reporter Peter Whittlesea who has more.

You have been talking to a Concentrix employee? Yes, this

person, words are spoken for him but he accuses Concentrix of failing

benefits claimants. Also staff at the call centre are put under

pressure after they deal with complaints, after complaint.

Calls, even if you were there until eight o'clock,

there were still two, 300 calls that had to be

But when you were answering calls from people, you knew

that they weren't married to their grandmothers

or six-year-old children but what could

90% of the cases, you could just tell, honest people,

claiming tax credits, trying to get on with

It put a lot of pressure on the staff there, so it has.

And all that information, the wrong information

Yes, HMRC choose which claimants they were looking to do

The information was passed to Concentrix and we were just

How many people do you think never received that first letter saying

they had to provide information or their tax credit would be cut?

In a campaign, there were 600 employees, not including managers,

I personally spoke to hundreds of them.

It couldn't be a coincidence, so many people calling in that

you know haven't met each other, saying they had not

They must have been yelling down the phone at you?

No money, sitting there, people crying down the phone,

saying they are down to their last nappy,

last bag of wipes, no food in the fridge to feed their kids.

We were dealing with people claiming that they were going

You have to try to keep them on the phone while the manager

phoned the police to go to their address to make sure

Some of the people we were dealing with, the suicide calls,

were not even given a back-up, were not given after-care

by the after-care team for taking suicide calls.

Most of the people weren't even trained in how to deal

They were just told, "Oh, go out and have a smoke,

come back, you will be fine, deal with another 40 or 50 calls".

Just to get this clear, you had people that were suicidal

on the phone to you and your managers would say, "Keep them

on the phone while we phone the police and get the police

round the house so they don't kill themselves"?

Yes, and even in some cases, the claimant was not at the address

They were in family's houses because they did not have the money

to top up their phones to pay their phone bills so they had

I know one incident where the police broke down the door because there

was no answer at the door from the claimant but

There was a period in July where we were told

So you were dealing with calls from claimants, calling through,

who were being told, "Oh, it will be up in a few hours,

tell those claimants to call back in a few hours".

The timeline was just gradually pushed along for a week.

Don't take the contract if your system can't deal with it.

Yeah, there is at the minute, there's cases sitting since May,

information has been sent to the claimants and still hasn't

It speaks for itself, the buck has been passed

between HMRC and Concentrix here but the buck firmly lies

Quite extraordinary claims, Peter? We showed this to Frank Field. He

has many constituents who say they have had their benefits cut by

Concentrix. But this is the first time he had heard what it was like

to work if that call centre. The revelation, I think

to the public will be that this has It is a tragedy for the actual

claimants who are just Concentrix deny the whistle-blower's

claim there is a backlog of complaint. Finally, the

whistle-blower said the computer system was inadequate. Concentrix

responded, by saying our system was not down for a whole week. Issues

were beyond our control and specific to a third party and it was resolved

as quickly as possible and any impact on claimants was minimised.

At no time would we have set the expectation to call back within an

hour. HMRC said they were not renew the contract from next May. What

have HMRC had to say about the latest claims. We did ask for an

interview, but they have declined. They did issue a statement. This was

specifically about the whistle-blower saying the HMRC data

supplied to Concentrix was inaccurate. To that, HMRC said, we

provide Concentrix with cases that have flagged up as showing potential

discrepancies, along with the data we hold and have received from third

parties. Concentrix is responsible for doing their own internal checks

to identify which of these cases they think requires further

investigation. One social media group alone has had hundreds of

people still claim they don't have their benefits. Therefore, this

matter is still ongoing. We want people to contact us so we can get

to the bottom of what is happening now.

She's 36 and is a single mum with two girls, aged 11 and three.

She says her child tax credits were stopped six weeks ago.

Thanks for coming on the programme. React to these claims by this

whistle-blower, this Concentrix employee who said they had suicidal

parents on the phone and were told to keep them on the phone while the

manager called the police and got them round to the address? I can

understand this because I am in the same desperate situation of having

my money caught with two children. Not a penny to spend on food or

anything else. I can understand the desperation of people. Can I just

say, it is not hundreds of people affected, it's thousands. Were you

in a similar boat to those thousands when Concentrix said you were in a

relationship with somebody and you weren't? I was apparently living

here with two previous tenants who have not been here for two years. I

never received a letter to tell me they were going to stop my tax

credits. Says of the credits were just turned off and you've got what

was going on? Yes, I'm not in receipt of income support so the tax

credits were the only benefits I was receiving. How have you been

managing for the last six weeks? Friends and family. I have exhausted

all resources, I am at the level now where I have just over ?1 in my

bank. Did you say you have ?1 left in your bank account? Yes. Goodness

me. You have been told York tax credit payments will be reinstated,

which is good news, but what is the butter? It is, there is an IT system

down and I got the call last Thursday to say it is being

reinstated, but I am still without payments still nothing. Have you

been told when they will start paying you back? It could be up to

ten more days. And in these ten days, I don't know how I am supposed

to survive. I have a statement from HMRC. They say payments that have

been suspended will be reinstated within four working days, if not

sooner. Any money due to customers will be paid back. Some will get a

lump sum, some get payments over a period of time, depending on

individual circumstances. They say any customers in difficulties,

contact HMRC payment line. The back payment, it is all well and good

that they will pay the back payments, but on some occasions they

are spreading it over the year. But we have all got ourselves into debt

and I don't know how we are able to pay off the debt through these tiny

little lump sums. It's all down to them, but it is really, really...

Enough is enough now. I can hear the desperation in your voice. Might be

worth ringing the helpline again, say you need help now! I have spent

hours on the phone, I am surprised the phone is still working, I don't

know how I haven't been cut off. Thank you, we will keep across this

story. Do keep in touch. Catherine on Twitter says, thanks for covering

this and keeping it in the public eye. But there are some people

saying an overhaul of people using and abusing an overburdened benefit

system needs doing. But people having no money is often the

consequence of their own choices. Later in the programme we will talk

more about this. After 10am with somebody else who is getting their

payments reinstated, but in tiny amounts, so it's not going to help

because she is in arrears. Also later, we will talk about calls to

strengthen the international ban on ivory trade.

Elephant populations in Africa have declined by around 111,000

The main reason for that is that they've been killed for their ivory

After 10:30 we'll speak to Virginia McKenna

from the Born Free foundation but first let's take a look at why

the plight of elephants is at the top of the agenda,

and a warning that our film we're about to show contains flashing

images and distressing scenes from the start.

You may not want young children watching.

We have been flying along this flood plain that divides

All the way along here, we have been seeing carcasses of elephants,

some four months old, some less than a week old.

Poaching and traffic in wildlife is now a branch of

The fight against it will be won by alliances

If this current rate continues, within nine years, Africa could be

left with half of the current estimate of African elements.

Materialistic greed cannot be allowed to win against our moral

duty to protect threatened species and vulnerable communities.

Do get in touch with your views throughout the programme.

We will speak to Virginia McKenna later from the born free foundation.

We've got a studio full of Labour supporters and viewers passionate

about politics to talk about Jeremy Corbyn's big win

at the weekend and where this leaves the Labour Party

We'll be getting reaction in just a few minutes' time.

Five-time Olympic Champion Bradley Wiggins defends taking steroid

injections for his asthma, saying it didn't enhance

but does he still have questions to answer?

Let's get the summary now from the BBC Newsroom.

New and startling claims have emerged this morning

about Concentrix - the firm used by the government

This programme can reveal the firm have been told to keep "suicidal"

claimants on the phone until police arrive at their homes.

A whistleblower has told us they received hundreds of calls

from distressed people who had not received advance warning

with some people screaming at call centre workers.

Concentrix say their staff follow the guidelines.

Excavation work will begin on the Greek island of Kos today,

as part of the search for the British toddler Ben Needham

Police say new information suggests he could have been

Ben's mother Kerry Needham has been told to "prepare for the worst"

Theresa May's supporters have hit back at claims she was branded

"lily-livered" by former PM David Cameron after urging him

to take a softer line on immigration during EU negotiations

Sources close to Mrs May say she wrote to Mr Cameron making

the case for what was described as an "emergency brake" to curb

the number of people coming to the UK from the rest of Europe.

The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has told BBC News that Britain

should increase borrowing in the short-term in order to create

a "manufacturing renaissance". Mr McDonnell said that he would pay

for the ?100 billion investment with taxes

His comments come amidst calls for unity

in the party, following a divisive leadership campaign.

And Victoria will have more on that in a moment

The French President Francois Hollande has used a visit to Calais

to call for the migrant camp there, known as "The Jungle",

He intends to close the sprawling camp and move migrants to reception

Many of the thousands of migrants are trying to cross

Mr Hollande said Britain had to play its part

The UK's ambassador to the United Nations has walked out

of an emergency session of the Security Council,

Matthew Rycroft left the meeting after accusing the governments

of Syria and Russia of unleashing a "new hell" on the city of Aleppo.

Activists say more than 200 civilians have been killed

in the rebel-held part of Aleppo in the past week.

The owner of Alton Towers will be sentenced today after admitting

health and safety breaches which led to the crash of the Smiler ride

18-year-old Leah Washington and 20-year-old Vicky Blanch both had

to have a leg amputated after the smash and three others

Tributes are pouring in for the golfer Arnold Palmer, who has died

at the age of 87. The American won seven golf majors but will be

remembered not only for his golfing genius, but his huge personality,

which helped to grow the game during the 50s and 60s. Rory McIlroy won

the FedExCup overnight. The PGA's season long points race. He came

from three shots behind to win the tournament and in doing so pocket a

cool ?7.7 million. Manchester City's women won their

first Super League title after beating Chelsea ladies 2-0. They

have now gone the whole season unbeaten and have the chance for

more silverware in the cup final next month.

And 16 Taione Vea world champion Phil power won the first PDC

Champions League starts in Cardiff, beating world number one Michael van

Gerwen in the final. That is all the sport. More a bit later.

Labour's Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has told this programme

that everyone who resigned from Jeremy Corbyn's top team is welcome

back. Tell us more, Norman Smith. Yes, I had a cup of tea with John

McDonnell earlier today. We talk a lot about stuff which probably just

sounds like a political gobbledygook to most people, mumbo jumbo. We talk

about the national executive committee. We took about the

selections and rule changes. This morning, I wanted to sit down with

Mr McDonnell and get him to explain in easy-peasy language what it was

about Jeremy Corbyn that seemed to be changing the Labour Party and

attracting those huge crowds, to explain in simple terms what Jeremy

Corbyn was about. I think people got fed up

of politicians who just said And Jeremy Corbyn came

along and said, look, At least I'm being

straight with you. A lot of people are attracted

to that sort of honesty. With Jeremy, what you

see is what you get. But is that kind

of an anti-politics? It is a bit, because people

turned off by politics You got to the stage

where you couldn't believe a word That wasn't true, but people

had that impression. Jeremy brings that sort

of confidence and trust, and we've lost that

for a period of time. You will have heard the criticism

that it is basically a personality He gets these huge rallies,

but it is all focused around him rather than about

a policy for government. There are huge rallies,

but most of those rallies are taken up by people getting up

from the floor and saying, I have got this problem,

and I think this is the solution. So there's a sort of

reinvention of politics. For a long time, we have had

politicians talking down to us What Jeremy has done is unleashed

all these ideas Say I have a problem with housing,

how do we sort it out? Well, we used to have rent

controls in this country. Those solutions are coming

from people themselves. Is it fair to say that basically,

Jeremy Corbyn is a socialist and he wants a socialist

style of government, with much greater state control

and state intervention? Sometimes they use that as a dirty

word and we have What we are saying socialism

for us is is a society that is radically fairer,

where people and corporations So it is more democratic

and people have more of a say, We are living in a society now more

unequal than any we have seen in generations,

but it has to be based We want that economy

to be more sustainable. Environmentally sustainable,

because of climate change. And also, the prosperity has to be

shared by all of us, People have different

versions of socialism. The idea that it is all

the state has gone. You said at the beginning that

you are a socialist We're having a cup of tea

here because you are trying to woo Labour MPs by taking them out

for cups of tea. If you had to choose

between having a cup of tea with the following,

who would you pick? Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Vladimir

Ilyich Lenin, or Josef Stalin. Who would you have a cup

of tea with? I meet with a group of economists

who give me advice on their systems, I'll give people a name, it is a guy

called Joe Stiglitz. He says we need to rewrite

the rules of our economy, and I think if you start reading

some of his work along He probably drinks coffee,

given that he is American. He dodged the cup of tea question.

But it is interesting having that sort of conversation with John

McDonnell because in many ways, he is viewed as the power behind the

throne, the brains behind Jeremy Corbyn, the man pulling it all

together. What I take from that is that team Corbyn genuinely believe

we are in a different type of politics. Everything has changed and

the old rules no longer apply. People want something entirely

different. But that is a massive gamble, because the view of his

opponents is that actually, life is carrying on pretty much as usual and

it is fine and dandy getting these massive rallies, but it doesn't

reach out to the electorate. So this is high wire politics. If Team

Corbyn are right, we will all have to rethink how we do politics. If

they are wrong, the danger is that they are leading the Labour Party of

a precipice. Thank you, and Norman. Steve says

Jeremy Corbyn should be supported. Another viewer says that is the

Labour Party consigned to the dustbin.

I declare Jeremy Corbyn elected as leader of the Labour Party.

Please, Jeremy, welcome onto the stage.

I am honoured to have won the votes of a majority of members,

affiliated supporters and registered supporters,

who have given me the second mandate in a year to lead our party.

They threw everything except the kitchen sink at Jeremy

and he still increased his share of the vote.

The membership came out for Jeremy because they realised he had not

been given the chance and he hadn't been treated fairly.

What we want now is unity and stability.

So Labour MPs who have been critical, who have been

opponents of Mr Corbyn, have nothing to worry about?

Not at all, we have said that time and time again.

Now you know that the mandate is won... This has distracted us for

three months when we should have been a strong opposition. There was

no difference between the parties. Now there is a real difference. The

problem with that thesis is that it goes on to totally dismiss Tony

Blair as the absolute epitome of all that was wrong with Labour. We are

talking about what happens to people now. Where I am from in Twickenham,

we have food banks. Why have we got food banks? But do you think Jeremy

Corbyn being leader of the Labour Party makes a Labour government more

or less likely? Absolutely more likely. Let us work together for

real change in Britain. Thank you very much.

With us now, an audience of labour voters, members and supporters

What are you thinking now that Mr Corbyn has been re-elected? I think

that now it is time for the Labour Party to be the real opposition it

ought to have been in the first place. In the past couple of months,

we have seen a 300% rise in Islamophobia hate crime. It is now

time for Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party to unite and fight what

is happening in society and fight the vile atmosphere that exists

today. I am Tony, from a construction background. Are you a

Labour voter? I class myself as an old Labour voter. I abandoned them

when they abandoned me under Tony Blair. Who did you vote for at the

last election? Sun I voted Ukip because I wanted a referendum. Now

we have had that, I am looking for somebody to vote for.

So what does Labour have to do to bring you back into the fold? It has

got to unite. There is a lot of confusion at the moment. He has won

two leadership contests now, so he has won the right to take us into a

general election. I would vote Labour if Jeremy Corbyn is there.

There is a lady shaking her head. My name is limp and I am retired. I

voted Labour for 50 years, but since Jeremy Corbyn has been there, no. He

frightens me about what he did do with the Labour Party. He talks

about uniting, but he will not listen to the people. He says he

will, but there are 170 MPs out there that voted no confidence in

him. They must know more, so why did they walk out? You are shaking your

head. I am the chair of a local Labour Party branch. I have been

there since before 2015. I understand what you are saying, but

at the end of the day, there is a huge number of members from before

2015, new members and a wider group who have backed Corbyn twice now. It

is an opportunity for people to get the MPs on board. They have a lot of

skills to offer. The constituency Labour parties have backed Corbyn.

Now is a chance for all of the MPs to back the constituencies and

follow the mandate. My name is Paul. Are you a Labour

voter? I want to be a Labour supporter and I want to like Jeremy

Corbyn. It means campaigning is brilliance, it is back on the front

pages. But what I don't see is leadership. Instead, I see a dirty

smog of insults and humiliation. Do you think that is consigned to

history? Absolutely not. Jeremy Corbyn made it clear on Saturday,

wipe the slate clean, it doesn't matter what you said in the past.

But you don't believe him? We have John McDonnell using the word lynch

when referencing an opponent. It is extremely insulting and knowing all

about what the word means and the impact the word would have, this is

an intelligent man and he is supposed to be taking us forward. I

am Mandy, a student from London. I know where you're coming from, I am

a Labour Party member, but I backed Owen Smith this year. I went to a

hustings and experienced abuse myself. The sat next to me was

shouting at me because I tried to listen to Owen Smith and accuse me

of being a Blairite and I supported Iraq. I do respect Jeremy now has

the second democratic mandate, but uniting as a party is much easier

said than done. We need to respect the MPs who have had their own

democratic mandate from their constituents. , I am a bit older

from you, I come from old Labour and someone like Owen Smith, he will

just carry on like Tony Blair. I am one of those people who feels like

they don't have a voice in today's politics. I feel Jeremy Corbin might

speak up for the likes of me. I am a Labour Party member for seven years.

I used to work for the Labour Party on the general election in 2015 in

two key seats. I have done my time at the doors, spoke to thousands of

people. I can tell you, these people are not looking for a political

revolution, it is very important... Are you talking about his policies,

they are not popular? Or this idea of building a social movements? He

didn't join in in singing the national anthem, what is it? It is

things like that. People these days don't want a big revolution, they

want their kids to go to a nice cool, good housing and a job. Simple

things. Isn't Jeremy Corbyn saying those simple things? It is not just

about his polities, it is his lack of leadership. If you have 80% of

your own MPs that don't support you, for any leader of a party, would

have been a wake-up call and they would have to go. Don't know what

else he has to do to show he's popular? It is the members, why

don't we look towards the electorate. That is what matters to

a political party that aims to get power. They have forgotten that and

they are looking very inwards. I am David, I have been a Labour Party

member since 2010. The talk about Jeremy Corbyn's policies, but he has

nothing to say on Brexiter and about as needing to build more homes. We

need to build more homes, we need to build 250,000 homes a year. You will

build them, how will we build them. You want some detail? , Yes. I am a

supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. All of his opponents, the only way we will

win the general election, which needs to be the focus, is if you

find an alternative candidate who is more compelling to the electorate.

There is no point, if you don't have a better alternative. They thought

Owen Smith was a better alternative. , These people, it seems to me the

Labour MPs who are saying Jeremy Corbyn cannot win a general election

are the same one that said Ed Miliband would. He should have the

chance, they have got it wrong before. I said Ed Miliband wouldn't

win, he didn't have the strength. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back

to the old days of the union striking, do as I say, don't do as I

do. Hilary Benn, he disagreed with him, now he's out. I spoke to John

McDonnell who said Hilary Benn would be welcome back to the Shadow

Cabinet. Why was he sucked in the first place. I have now defected to

Ukip in the last election. What I don't like about Jeremy Corbyn at

the moment, is the level of borrowing he is proposing. We need

to get high-tech industry selling abroad to get foreign investment.

What worries me is if he also gets rid of Tridents. We don't want a

nuclear bomb, that is true, but we need the workers and industry from

BAE Systems, we need Rolls-Royce, we need those companies to be

supported. It would demolish them. For you it is his policies that will

not take him forward? Yes, it is, but it is all very well the party

members have voted for Jeremy, but we need the wider electorate to vote

for him. It is interesting you supported a party late Ukip who

wanted to leave the European Union and then talk about investing in

Britain. Looking less attractive to invest in now than we were before.

It is interesting people's thoughts are not panning out on the ground. A

lot of policies will be clarified in the Labour manifesto. We know what

some of the policies will be, we know it will be more housing. We

don't know about Trident yet, we know it will be borrowing to invest

in infrastructure, broadband, roads and housing. It is whether it will

be enough to attract conservative voters or Ukip voters. I am the

owner, I was a Labour member in the 80s and became disaffected with the

parties. I am back now, I have been back before the Jeremy Corbyn

element came back in. I am a passionate Jeremy Corbyn supporter.

I have heard him speak on a number of occasions. One of the things

missing is people are not listening to what he is saying. They have a

preconceived idea they have got from the media. Lots of sound bites. They

talk about him being a weak leader. What do you think will win over the

wider electorate? He has no problem in recruiting members, but the

electorate is trickier. He is appealing, social media has played a

massive part in Jeremy's surge forward. I am part of a lot of

social media groups now. People like me, who are over 50, who felt

marginalised and disaffected, especially over 50 women. I was just

going to say, I felt the same, disillusioned. We are a group of

people who are marginalised and now we feel inspired to go forward

because of Jeremy. Derek is in Blyth in Northumberland. Welcome to the

programme. Tell the audience, many Labour members and voters, some of

whom used to be Labour voters, how you feel now? I don't think Labour

have a viable leader. I don't think either of the candidates were

appropriate. Jeremy Corbyn, I think is a dangerous little man. I think

he will lead the Labour Party to oblivion. He doesn't seem to care

about that. Are you a member, Derek? I joined about two months ago. I

would have voted for Owen Smith until I had to pay ?25 for the

privilege to do so. But having said that, he was the lesser of two

evils, in my opinion. Will you continue being a Labour member? No,

I phoned up this morning to try to cancel my membership, but they are

not taking any calls today. Some people over here. It is important to

remember we have the biggest party in Europe, over half a million

members, that is the strength. Whether you like Jeremy Corbyn or

not, the point is we can mobilise and go out and talk to people about

our policies. It is about having affordable homes you don't feel like

you will be turfed out of the next day, which is my case. I live in

rented accommodation, I cannot tell my daughter whether we will be

living there next month, next year. If we get to talk to ordinary

people, they say our ideas are exciting. You are a Conservative

voter, thanks for coming on. From what this lady is saying and others,

are there policies that that would attract you to move over? I have

voted Conservative all my life. But you acknowledge conservative voters

will have to be persuaded to vote Labour? Those are the pivotal voters

that give you a election is. The issue I have with the whole thing

is, we are going back. I joined politics 47 years ago when I was a

student. The sort of things we're hearing from Jeremy Corbyn now is

what we were hearing from the socialist in 1972. Nothing has

changed. Aoyama student and I have been a Labour member for over a

year. I agree, having a big membership is fantastic, the Labour

Party that one the last election only had a membership of 150,000.

Lotsa people were willing to do social media and activism. There was

a small proportion of new members who are willing to go out on the

streets, doorstepping and leafleting. The gentleman down here,

hello. , I am Brian, a floating voter. I am pleased Jeremy Corbyn

got elected. Talking about being 15 points behind in the polls. He

hasn't had a chance to go out and sell his policies. We have Jeremy

Corbyn, a principled man, changing face in UK politics. The lady over

there said, we are fed up of being dictated to by business, whatever it

might be. I think he is a principled man and you have to go and sell your

policies. Are you going to give him a chance, he needs the chance to

sell those policies before the next election. It cuts both ways. He did

an interview, and a supporter said it is not my job to point out the

government is in MS, it is Jeremy Corbyn's job. He's not a leader, he

could be wiping the floor with the Tories over Brexit. He has never

mentioned it. On the 24th of June, Labour MPs were directly attacking

Jeremy Corbyn. On the issue of policy, in the first conference

after electing a leader, we should be discussing policy, make a

manifesto to sell to the public. We should be discussing Brexit. But

delegates at the Labour conference voted not to discuss Brexit. It is

important Labour finds credible opposition because they must hold

the government to account. His rhetoric, he talks about Labour

policies and everything, but you actually need to hold the government

to account, provide alternative policies. Your final thoughts. I am

an X nurse and I am in support of the Labour Party. I think Jeremy is

the best man to do it, because he has a long and credible history in

supporting issues like human rights, international relations and the

welfare of the British people. The common people. News just in from the

conference at Liverpool. Labour have announced it will ban fracking if it

wins the next general election. Good idea? We're not going to win, so it

doesn't matter. And that we will leave it.

Coming up: How to stop the dramatic decline in African elephants?

Plans to strengthen the international ban on ivory trade

are being discussed today in a bid to stop the poaching.

On Twitter, this man says the slaughter of elephants for nothing

more than greed is heartbreaking. China and Vietnam need to be more

accountable. Someone else says, this sad and cruel slaughter in the name

of profit, is what happens in the name of financial or political power

throughout the world. We must stop this growing destruction of life.

Good morning, well a lovely sunrise this morning. This shot from

Weston-super-Mare in the past half an hour, more typical of Wales and

Western England. Heavy rain and strengthening rain and it will feel

cool here. Further east across England, the morning brightness

giving way to cloud and one or two showers. It turns wetter across

Central Scotland. After a cold start, it will be a sunny afternoon.

Just one or two showers for the Highlands and islands. Temperatures

generally in the mid to high teens. As we go through this evening and

overnight, we lose a lot of the wLet initially, but then there is more

which comes in from the west and with this, increasing amounts of low

cloud and it turns misty and murky around the coasts and the hills, but

it is the southerly wind that accompanies it. Temperatures holding

in double figures. It makes for a grey and gloomy start to Tuesday

morning. There will be rain and drizzle. The low cloud becoming

confined to eastern parts of England. Elsewhere, after the gloomy

start, things brighten up nicely, but the winds will strengthen,

touching gale force and there is another bout of strong winds to come

on Wednesday afternoon too. Take care.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

Also today, this programme has been told that a US firm used

by the Government to cut tax credit payments received calls

People crying down the phone saying that they'r down

People crying down the phone saying that they're down

to their last nappy, their last bag of wipes,

have no food in the fridge to feed their kids.

We were dealing with people claiming that they were

You have to try to keep them on the phone while the manager

phones the police to go to their address to

Concentrix say their staff follow the guidelines.

And you can watch that interview back on our programme page

Britain's most decorated Olympian Sir Bradley Wiggins says

he was allowed to take banned steroid injections because of his

asthma and that it didn't enhance his performance.

This was about trying to find a way to gain an unfair advantage. This

was about putting myself back on a level playing field in order to

compete at the highest level. We'll be speaking to fellow cyclists

and one of his good friends in a few minutes time and asking them

if he still has questions to answer. And plans to strengthen

the international ban on ivory trade are being discussed today in a bid

to stop the slaughter If this current rate continues,

within nine years Africa could be left with half of the current

estimate of African elephants. 100 million people will be tuning

in to the first US Presidential debate tonight to watch Donald Trump

and Hillary Clinton go head-to-head. I will not make age

an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit

for political purposes my opponent's Let's get the summary now

from the BBC Newsroom. New and startling claims have

emerged this morning about Concentrix, the firm

used by the Government This programme can reveal the firm

have been told to keep 'suicidal' claimants on the phone until police

arrive at their homes. A whistleblower has told us

they received hundreds of calls from distressed people who had not

received advance warning that their payments would end

with some people screaming Concentrix say their staff

follow the guidelines. Excavation work will begin

on the Greek island of Kos today, as part of the search

for the British toddler Ben Needham Police say new information

suggests he could have been Ben's mother Kerry Needham has been

told to "prepare for the worst" There was a team here

in 2012 doing a search of an area of land just over

to my right, over there. That was based on the information

that was known at that time. A very thorough and intricate

search took place. A number of items were found

during that search which now bear significance having had opportunity

to do the investigate that we've As a result of that,

and the new information which came to light in May, that is why

the decision has been made to search the area of land

that we are now doing. Theresa May's supporters have hit

back at claims she was branded "lily-livered" by former

Prime Minister David Cameron after urging him

to take a softer line on immigration during EU negotiations,

before June's referendum. Sources close to Mrs May say

she wrote to Mr Cameron making the case for what was described

as an "emergency brake" to curb the number of people coming

to the UK from the rest of Europe. The Shadow Chancellor,

John McDonnell, has told BBC News that Britain

should increase borrowing in the short-term in order to create

a "manufacturing renaissance". Mr McDonnell said that he would pay

for the ?100 billion investment with taxes

from increased employment. His comments come amidst calls

for unity in the party, following a divisive

leadership campaign. There is a re-invention of

politicsment for a long period of time, we have had politicians

talking down to us and politics coming from above and solutions

coming from above. What Jeremy has done, he has unleashed all these

ideas coming from just ordinary people saying, "I've got a problem

with housing. How do we sort it out?" Well, we build council house.

My rent is too high. They used to have rent controls. Those solutions

are coming from the people themselves.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Tony said, "I support Jeremy Corbyn. Like me, he is a socialist." This

texter says, "I will never vote for Labour as long as Jeremy Corbyn is

leader and Momentum should be classed as a terrorist movement with

all the threats and death threats and deselection of Labour MPs." Next

text this is, "Lesser men than Mr Corbyn would have walked away with

all the abuse he has received from the right-wing media."

Tributes are being paid for one of golf's first

sporting superstars, Arnold Palmer who has

His golfing genius saw him win seven major titles but he will also be

remembered for his huge personality, the photogenic golfer bursting out

of black and white television sets in the late fifities and sixties,

popularizing the game around the globe.

He grew the sport commercially too, a real trailblazer on and off

the course, the sport's first big superstar of the television age.

President Barack Obama tweeted a great picture of the pair of them

He said, "Here's to The King who was as extraordinary on the links

The former World number one and 14 time major winner Tiger Woods said,

"Thanks Arnold for your friendship, counsel and a lot of laughs.

Your philantrophy and humility are part of your legend.

It's hard to imagine golf without you or anyone more important

Will miss that vice handshake and glint in your eye

Meanwhile one of the sport's current superstars Rory McIlroy,

He did so much for golf when golf needed him. He brought golf to the

masses. He leaves a legacy that no one else in any sport can leave. I

think he left the biggest legacy of any sports star over the past

century and what he has done for us, for the game of golf, for charity,

he was such a generous man, so charismatic. Everyone loved him. And

I was lucky enough to spend sometime with him and you know, those are

memories I'll have for the rest of my life.

McIlroy was speaking after winning the PGA

Tour Championship in Atlanta for the first time in his career.

The win means he also takes home the lucrative FedEx Cup.

The world number three has been in fine form with the Ryder Cup

This eagle on the 16th helped him force a play-off

with American Ryan Moore and McIlroy held his nerve to win

Manchester City Women have won the Women's Super League

Unbeaten City needed to avoid defeat against defending champions Chelsea.

A 2-0 win sealed the title with one game to spare.

They can do the domestic double too when they face Birmingham

in the Continental Cup final on Sunday.

There is some girls that haven't played as much as they want to.

People have started every single game. They are such a good bunch and

they want us to be successful and that's part of having a winning team

is that everyone is on the same page and wanting to win trophies.

That's the sport for now. Thank you very much.

The owner of Alton Towers, Merlin, will be sentenced today

after admitting health and safety breaches which led to the crash of

18-year-old Leah Washington and 20-year-old Vicky Balch both

had to have a leg amputated after the smash and three others

Vicky Balch told us about the impact of the crash in an exclusive

I was, I had my friends there and I just slept.

I didn't, I couldn't really sleep to them or do anything.

And then obviously you realise that something wasn't right and told

the surgeon and they said if there is sign of infection

would you sign for me to amputate and I said yes, because I couldn't

I had gone back to having people, like I had to sit down and someone

had to hold my leg and someone else had to wheel me.

When you woke up after the operation, when your leg had

been amputated, what did you, what were your initial

My mum was on this side of me and the nurse there.

So I knew the nurse quite well, I was in there for that long that

I got to know them really well and they just sort of looked at me

and they were upset and so then I got upset and said hang

I looked down and I looked at my leg and it was a relief.

It was a relief not to have it there because eventually

I would be able to walk again with a prosthetic.

Our correspondent Phil Mackie is at Stafford Crown

This is a really important day. HSE as well, the Health and Safety

Executive that's bringing the case have arrived this morning. We have

seen all of the victims arriving including Vicky Balch and Leah

Washington, the two girls who were in the front row of the Smiler

carriage who both lost a leg. And the other people who were seriously

injured. What is going to go on is a sentencing hearing which will last

today and possibly tomorrow in which first we'll hear the HSE outline

what happened that particular day. What we've heard in the past was

that there was operator error that led to an empty carriage being

stalled on the track and nobody who was running the ride being aware it

was there. So they set this particular carriage, carrying 16

people, off on the track and it crashed into it at a speed of up to

50mph. We don't know the exact details, we don't know what went

wrong, whether there was something wrong in the training or the design

of the ride itself which is one of the most popular and one of the

biggest rollercoasters in Europe. We would then expect to hear mitigation

on behalf of Merlin Entear inamount and the judge will retire to

consider what sentence to hand out. We are thinking that it could be a

hefty fine for Merlin Entertainments. It is likely that we

will hear statements from the victims as well as as the operator

of the theme park afterwards to react. That could happen today. It

could easily happen tomorrow. The case is due to start shortly and

we'll be bringing you updates throughout the day.

This morning fresh and startling claims about Concentrix,

the firm used by the Government to cut tax credit payments.

This programme can reveal that Concentrix staff have been told

to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

In an exclusive interview a whistleblower told us claimants

"screamed" at call-centre workers after their tax credits were cut,

claiming "hundreds" of households had not received advance warning

We were dealing with people claiming that they were

You have to try to keep them on the phone while the manager

phoned the police to go to their address to

Some of the people we were dealing with, the suicide calls,

were not even given a back-up, were not given after-care

by the after-care team for taking suicide calls.

Most of the people weren't even trained in how to deal

They were just told, "Oh, go out and have a smoke,

come back, you will be fine, deal with another 40 or 50 calls".

Just to get this clear - you had people that were suicidal

on the phone to you and your managers would say, "Keep them

on the phone whilst we phone the police and get the police

round the house so they don't kill themselves"?

Yeah, and even in some cases, the claimant was not at the address

They were in family's houses because they did not have the money

to top up their phones to pay their phone bills so they had

Concentrix told us their staff are trained following

She's asked us not to use her real name.

She claims tax credits for her 20 month-old daughter.

Welcome to the programme. You were initially investigated by Concentrix

for undisclosed partners? , they were previous tenants who had never

met. But they are reinstating your payments? Yes, they said my back pay

will be spread over ?3 a week and not in a lump sum. That is not

helpful to you? Yes, it is devastating. You have to make

decisions on what bills to pay. ?3 a week will not cover the minimum

repayments for banking arrears and also to be paid back. It is

difficult to cover everything you glossed over those weeks at ?3 a

week. It just drives you further into poverty. What have they said to

you? Basically the system said no. The system generates how much you

are owed and lump sums are not available to everybody. It is

bizarre. The Hague shams -- the HMRC statement it is says some will get a

lump sum. Any customers who are in hardship should contact the helpline

and they can look at options to help customers. That is not applying to

everyone, I have been turned down consistently for hardship payments,

being told by her HMRC because Concentrix had ticked the box that

said no to hardship payments. So I have not qualified for any

additional support from her HMRC. What are you going to do? I will

have to keep fighting. It is devastating. You have birthdays and

Christmas coming and you do worry about how you will survive. Can I

thank you for coming on the programme, thank you for your time.

We wish you lots of luck. We will continue to follow the

story. We have asked them to come on the programme ten times. Same with

HMRC, asked them ten times and they have said no.

How to stop the dramatic decline in African elephants?

Plans to strengthen the international ban on ivory trade

are being discussed today to try to stop the poaching.

Actress and campaigner Virginia McKenna will be with us

Sir Bradley Wiggins has defended his use of powerful steroid

injections to treat asthma and allergies before

Computer hackers leaked his confidential medical

The stolen data reveals Sir Bradley Wiggins was given position to inject

the banned steroid just days before three major races. The 2011 and 2012

Tour de France and the 2013 -year-old Italia. But in his

autobiography, Bradley Wiggins describes his health in 2012 like

this... I've done all the work, I was fine tuned, ready to go. My body

was in good shape, the form of my life. I was only ill once or twice

with minor colds, and I barely lost training. In an interview yesterday,

he said he had been struggling with his breathing. It was prescribed for

rest between problems. I have been a lifelong sufferer of asthma. I went

to the team doctor at the time and in turn, went to a specialist to see

if there was anything else we could do to cure these problems. He said,

you will need authorisation from cycling's governing body. You did

ask permission to take it? You have two show evidence that you have had

this from a specialist and then three independent doctors will

authorise you to take this product. Only then do you take the

medication. In the same book, Sir Bradley Wiggins said he had never

had an injection, apart from vaccinations and occasionally I have

been put on a drip when I have come down with diarrhoea or been severely

dehydrated. This contradicts what the Hack data says he had. This is

how he explained it to Andrew Marr. In 2012 at the height of Lance

Armstrong and just before the crash, as it were with him, have you ever

used needles, it was always loaded questions with regards to doping.

Intravenous injections of iron, no one asked the question. Have you had

an injection by a medical professional to treat or cure a

medical conditions. There are two sides to that and it was with a

doping emphasis in the question. But some people say that response

doesn't add up. Sir Bradley Wiggins, who won the BBC Sport personality of

the year in 2012 says the drugs were used to level the playing field.

This was to cure a medical condition and the governing body, the World

Anti-Doping Agency said, this wasn't about trying to find a way to gain

an unfair advantage, it was about putting myself back on a living

playing field to compete at the highest level. World Anti-Doping

Agency rules on obtaining a therapeutic use exemption, highlight

it must not produce an additional enhancement of performance. This is

what the doctor were Bradley Wiggins finished fourth in the 2009 Tour de

France told Newsnight. I was surprised to see there were TUEs

documented just before three major events, two Tour de France and

another race. We have to think it is coincidental big dose of a big dose

of this would be needed at that time of year, at that exact time, before

the most important race of the season. No doubt in my mind, this is

very, very strong. It is performance enhancing. It was postponed the

sensation of fatigue, increase your recovery speed and most importantly,

it would quite easily may be one or two K. David Miller has prescribed

the power enhancing side-effects of the and cannot fathom why a doctor

would prescribe it so close to a race. There is no suggestion form

Team Sky or Bradley Wiggins have broken any rules.

Worth pointing out that Bradley Wiggins wasn't specifically

asked about those questions in depth during his interview

with Andrew Marr, and that he insists he has stayed

within both the letter and the spirit of the laws.

We can speak now to Dr Michael Hutchinson.

He's a former TeamGB cyclist turned journalist.

And the Welsh Olympic cyclist Louise Jones

who knew Bradley Wiggins when he was growing up.

Thank you both for coming on the programme, Michael Hutchinson, what

do you think? TUEs are grey areas and this is the explosion a lot of

us have been waiting for. It is like the tax arrangements of some

multinational companies who will be the letter of the law, perfectly

legal. But a lot of people look and think, it doesn't feel right. That

is the problem Bradley Wiggins has here. What do you think about him

using this drug, a strong drug just before his hardest races. Apparently

he doesn't need the medication after those races? One of the things that

concerns people, it has been used in doping programmes in the past. You

would expect it to be more of an issue. I am not a medical doctor, I

am a doctor of something else entirely. But equally, I can see if

you are genuinely concerned about asthma and allergies, the three

weeks of the year he would be most concerned would be the three weeks

of your biggest race. It is an angle that has come up quite frequently.

People who don't suffer from asthma don't know what it feels like when

symptoms come out of nowhere and you are struggling to breathe. The

medication alleviates all of this. These same people don't have the

right to criticise Bradley Wiggins for what could be a life-threatening

conditions. Louise Jones, as the Sunday Times journalist said, does

it look bad to you or not? Does it look bad to you? I think there is

more read into this ban has actually happened. He has done everything by

the letter of the law, he does suffer from asthma. I have seen

people suffering from asthma who have not had medication. It is not a

nice site. Only two weeks ago, we had to get an ambulance out to

someone I get them to the emergency department very quickly. So a race

like the Tour de France, anything you can do to make sure you are not

going to be ill, it is something any athlete at that level will do within

the rules of the sport and that is what he's done. Apparently he didn't

need this steroid in 2009 in the Tour de France? Things change all

the time, different conditions, different stresses, coming into the

team as team leader. Asthma is related to stress as well. I think

Team Sky were at a higher level than other teams were, looking after

their cyclists in making sure everything was OK beforehand.

Michael, is there any contradiction to you in that biography that was

written for him, that he was in the form of his life before the 2012

Tour de France, no sign of breathing problems? It does seem in

consistent, I appreciate it was written by a ghost writer but it

does have his name on it and he was involved in the writing process. I

would have thought the breathing problems he described would have

been a serious concern running into an event like the Tour de France. At

the time he wrote this, maybe he was glossing over it because he doesn't

want to give future riders any hope than they have already got. But

also, to strive against the use of needles when they were being used

for things like injections. It doesn't seem to me to quite

necessarily quite square up. Thank you both. Michael Hutchinson, former

Team GB cyclist and no journalist and the former Olympic cyclist,

Louise Jones. And of course - Sir Bradley Wiggins

therapeutic use exemptions were approved by British authorities

and cycling's world There is no suggestion that either

he or Team Sky, his former team, This has been reported by the

Associated Press. An Egyptian health Ministry official said a total of

170 bodies have been pulled from the water is five days after a boat

carrying hundreds of migrants capsized in the Mediterranean while

attempting to head to Europe. They say the numbers of dead are expected

to rise, as many bodies are believed to be trapped inside the boat's

refrigerator, the official said. The boat capsizing five days ago and now

170 bodies have been pulled from the waters, according to an Egyptian

health ministry official in Cairo. News and sport coming up in the next

few minutes. Remember this photo that went viral a few weeks ago? It

shows an elderly couple in tears as they were forced to live in separate

care homes in Canada. The wasn't the room for them to be in the same one.

The photo went viral after their granddaughter shared it, calling it

the saddest photo I have ever seen. The couple, who have been married

for 60 years, spends very little time apart until they were separated

eight months ago because there wasn't room for them in the same

home. I'm here now. This is the binning of

the line. -- beginning of the line.

All right. OK.

That was the couple. She said to her when she had her hands on his face,

"Look at me. I love you." They are reunited and living in the same care

home in Canada. Thank goodness. How to stop the dramatic decline

in African elephants? Plans to strengthen

the international ban on ivory trade are being discussed today

to try to stop the poaching. Actress and campaigner

Virginia McKenna will be with us And 100 million people will be

tuning in to the first US Presidential TV debate tonight

to watch Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton go

head-to-head for 90 minutes. We'll be live in the

states at 10.45am. With the news here's Joanna

in the BBC Newsroom. New and startling claims have

emerged this morning about Concentrix, the firm

used by the Government This programme can reveal the firm

have been told to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

arrive at their homes. A whistleblower has told us

they received hundreds of calls from distressed people who had not

received advance warning that their payments would end,

with some people screaming Concentrix say their staff

follow the guidelines. Excavation work will begin

on the Greek island of Kos today, as part of the search

for the British toddler Ben Needham Police say new information

suggests he could have been Ben's mother Kerry Needham has been

told to "prepare for the worst" There was a team here

in 2012 doing a search of an area of land just over

to my right, over there. That was based on the information

that was known at that time. A very thorough and intricate

search took place. A number of items were found

during that search which now bear significance having had opportunity

to do the investigate that we've As a result of that,

and the new information which came to light in May, that is why

the decision has been made to search the area of land

that we are now doing. Theresa May's supporters have hit

back at claims she was branded "lily-livered" by former

Prime Minister David Cameron after urging him to take a softer

line on immigration during EU negotiations before

June's referendum. Sources close to Mrs May say

she wrote to Mr Cameron making the case for what was described

as an "emergency brake" to curb the number of people coming

to the UK from the rest of Europe. The Shadow Chancellor,

John McDonnell, has told BBC News that Britain

should increase borrowing in the short-term in order to create

a "manufacturing renaissance". Mr McDonnell said that he would pay

for the ?100 billion investment with taxes

from increased employment. Speaking to the BBC's

political Guru Norman Smith, John McDonnell said he believed

Jeremy Corbyn was introducing For a long period

of time, we have had politicians talking down to us and politics

coming from above and solutions What Jeremy has done,

he has unleashed all these ideas coming from just ordinary people

saying, "I've got Those solutions are coming

from the people themselves. 170 bodies have been pulled from the

water in the Mediterranean. The death toll is expected to rise as

many bodies are believed to be trapped inside the boat. Four men

have been arrested in Egypt on suspicion of people-trafficking.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

Thank you very much. Jackie e-mailed on Concentrix, "I had a letter

investigating my tax credits, saying they suspected I was in a

relationship. I work full-time and I have two teenage daughters and I

have been divorced for two years. The letter they send you is very

accusing and details what they do if you are found to be falsie claiming,

but nothing about if they're wrong which makes you feel guilty even

though you're doing nothing wrong. "This texter says, "Tanya said she

needed her tax credits for Christmas and birthdays, I assumed tax credits

were needed for basics and not luxuries."

Tributes are pouring in for the golfer Arnold palmer,

The American won seven golf Majors, but will be remembered not only

for his golfing genius, but his huge personality

which helped grow the game during the 50s and 60s.

Rory McIlroy won the Fed Ex Cup overnight.

The PGA's season long points race -

after victory in the Tour Championship.

He came from three shots behind to win a cool ?7.7 million.

Manchester City's women won the their first Superleague

title after beating Chelsea Ladies 2-0.

They've gone the whole season unbeaten and have the chance

of more silverware in the Cup Final next month.

And 16 time World champion Phil the Power Taylor won

the first PDC Champions League of darts in Cardiff

beating world number one Michael Vann Gerwen in the final.

And that's all the sport. Back to you.

Thank you very much, John. When a judge was sentencing

Christopher Halliwell last week for the murder of Becky Godden

he said "but for your confession I have no doubt Becky's remains

would never have been found". That confession and another

to the murder of Sian O'Callaghan were made to the Wiltshire Police

officer, Steve Fulcher. But because he did not follow police

guidelines neither confession could be used in court

and he was convicted of Sian's murder on the basis

of different evidence. A judge only allowed the evidence to

be becaused in Becky's case many years later after being convinced

that Christopher Halliwell lied to the court.

Detective superintendent Steve Fulcher resigned

from the police after being disciplined for gross misconduct.

He has been speaking to the Today programme.

He had been interviewed and had declined to answer any questions as

to secure the safety of Sian O'Callaghan. I pleaded with him for

Sian O'Callaghan's life and after a period of time, all he said was,

"Have you got a car? We'll go." On that basis, I followed him and

allowed him to direct us to the White Horse where Sian O'Callaghan's

body was found. But there was a moment when it became apparent that

Sian must be dead? Yes. Because of what he said. Now that was the point

when under the rules of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, PACE, you

should have according to the judge and according to senior police

officers, you should have further cautioned him as I understand it and

offered him a lawyer and you decided not to do that. What I want to know,

you might have had justifiable reasons for doing that, not least

because he hinted there were more and there was Becky Godden's body

who you found, but I wonder if you knew at the time that you were in

danger of jeopardising the legal course of the case? No, not at all.

The judgement was flawed. The only time I knew that Sian O'Callaghan

was dead was at such time as a doctor and a paramedic certified her

death. Any other assumption would have led to her death.

So you say that at the time, you had to, you were doing what you should

have done as a police officer? Exactly. He offered you also the

information that led to the finding of Becky Godden? He did. All he said

was, "You and I ought to have a chat. ." Following which he said,

"Do you want another one?" When I spoke to the later detective

in the case last week, he said that the breach of police guidelines was

dealt with appropriately by the original trial judge and the

original trial judge, of course, ruled all that evidence

inadmissible? Quite and this is the fundamental point. There is a flaw

in PACE That's the Police and Criminal Evidence Act... Doesn't

allow police officers to act in the interests of parties who are

threatened, their life is threatened and it is particularly pertinent in

crimes in action in kidnap cases and in terrorism offences. There are no

mechanisms under PACE to save the life of this party. Your argument is

what, you should have had the discretion to go with it? That's

right. And there is precedent, there is legal precedent in this before

the European Court. But even in the later case, the judge still ruled,

the only reason it was allowed, this evidence was allowed in the later

case, was because the judge said that Christopher Halliwell had lied

and therefore, on that basis this could be shown to the jury? That's

right. That's how PACE is framed. This is a straight choice between a

victim's right to life and an offender's right to silence. Do you

think you have been hung out to dry over this? Well, I have. Because you

were found guilty of gross misconduct? No investigation was

conducted from Wiltshire Police from the time I left that force in May

2011 until February 2014. No investigation.

That's former Detective Superintendent Steve Fulcher talking

to Sarah Montague. Wiltshire Police acknowledged the

case had been a difficult and challenging one for everyone

involved and they said, "Any potential police officer, the

objective would be to locate the victim and safeguard them from harm

which tragically could not happen in this case."

Should there be a ban on all ivory products?

That's the question being raised at an international conference

An estimated 30,000 elephants are being killed for their tusks

every year with 70% thought to be sold to China where

In a moment we'll talk to Virginia McKenna

from the Born Free Foundation, but first let's take

a look at why the plight of elephants is in the agenda,

and a warning that our film we're about to show contains flashing

images and distressing scenes from the start.

We have been flying along this flood plain that divides

All the way along here, we have been seeing carcasses of elephants,

some four months old, some less than a week old.

Poaching and traffic in wildlife is now a branch of

The fight against it will be won by alliances

If this current rate continues, within nine years, Africa could be

left with half of the current estimate of African elements.

Materialistic greed cannot be allowed to win against our moral

duty to protect threatened species and vulnerable communities.

With us now, Virginia McKenna from the Born Free Foundation.

Philip Mansbridge, the UK Director of the International Fund

And from Johannesburg, Steve Njumbi who heads up elephant

conservation projects in East Africa and Heather Sohl

And on the phone we're joined by Emmaunel Fundir,

President Of Safari Operator Association in Zimbabwe.

Welcome all of you. The proposals from some of these countries is that

the ivory trade should continue, why should there be a ban? It is

obvious. If you will leave an even larger loophole for the illegal

trade to continue, it will continue and in a short space of time, as we

have just learned, there will be no elephants left. It is imperative

there is a total ban on the ivory trade. Most African countries, which

of course is where the African elephants live, also want back.

There is only three countries in Africa but don't want it. It is a

big minority. So Born Free Foundation were 100% behind the 100%

band. Do talk to Virginia McKenna about her call for a total ban on

the ivory trade. On the phone, I think he is, can you hear us?

Perhaps the phone line has gone down. Are you there? We will try and

get him back. Philip, one of the issues that will be brought up in

this conference is about making all elephants highly protected. Why are

elephants in some countries endangered and protected, but not in

others? This is the disparity and why would like to see this total

protection. There are different populations and some of them, they

will say they are in growth and there should be some kind of trade

allowed. But that elephant doesn't know which country he is in at that

time. The elephants naturally migrate across borders and it makes

no sense that in one country they will be protected and then cross an

invisible border into the next country, and they wouldn't. We have

to look at the populations themselves rather than these

political boundaries. One elephant every 15 minutes killed. What more

do you need to afford better protection than a statement like

that. Heather, what is it you want to come out of this conference? We

know there is an existing international ban on the ivory trade

and there is a proposal to put them on appendix one. But it is illegal

to trade ivory internationally. So WWF once the focus to be on those

countries where we are still seen rampant illegal ivory trade and

there are 19 countries that have had to develop national ivory action

plans that set out real measures that if implemented effectively,

could change this disastrous poaching we are seeing. We need to

see a focus in this conference and discussions around the issue, making

sure countries take it seriously, put resources behind it and stop the

illegal ivory trade. Steve, how do you stop the poachers? Well, there

are several innovative ways we have been employing for the last two

years. It is what you call community intelligence. Previously, law

enforcement was confined to park Rangers or park officers. They have

a limited amount of people who can do that kind of work. Through the

communities, you have this wide network, for example, up to 300 game

counts. Get this kind of support from the community and you have a

very, very big advantage against any strangers who would come into an

area. We are talking about expanding law enforcement by engaging with

local communities, and also gather intelligence. What do you say to the

argument that from some countries in southern Africa, if we regulate this

as a trade, we can make elephant populations sustainable as well as

having the trade in ivory? Can I answer that in a different way? We

have talked a lot about numbers, export, legal and illegal. We're not

talking about the elephant. Not talking about the individual animal

that can suffer, and does suffer and die is for the sake of humans

wanting money. It legally or legally. Many others thought the

elephant to be one of the most extraordinary creatures on Earth,

loving to its family, protecting the young and the old, respecting its

dead, doing no harm to anyone. It is now being used like a bag of sugar

on a shop shelf, it is quite disgraceful. The more I hear about

and allowing more opportunities for trade, the more I am totally against

it. Coming back to the sustainability. It is difficult,

even if you take aside the amazing point

Virginia makes about welfare and the structures of elephant families. It

is difficult to run any parallel trade where you have a cloudy line

between what is legal and illegal. We have seen stockpile sales in the

past and they have been an epic failure. They are designed to flood

the market, bring down demand and affect the price. But it is about

enforcement on the ground. If the law is blurred, you cannot tell by

looking at a product, if it has come from an ivory that is legally

harvested, illegally harvested, what country, it is impossible to tell,

it makes no sense. Can you see a total ban on the ivory trade in your

lifetime? There has to be, because I am quite old. It is imperative there

is a ban. As far as stockpiles are concerned, them. Everything. I think

we now finally have our guest on the phone. Hopefully you can hear us in

Zimbabwe, thanks for talking to others. My guests want a total ban

on the ivory trade, why do you say no to that? For a number of reasons.

The statement is based on people with information and the wildlife as

an industry. We have a big population of elephants. We have

84,000 in an area the size of which cannot sustain that level of

elephants. If I can give an example, prior to 1980, we had the population

of 1600 elephants in the whole country. Now we're talking about

84,000 elements in the same habitat. -- elephants. I am going to pause it

because it is hard to hear. I know you are saying in 1980 there were

1600 elephants in Zimbabwe. Now there are 80 4000. He could have

been 64,000, but a healthy population? Yes, it is fantastic

news that individual population has grown. There is only around 350,000

elephants left in the wild. The recent survey that came out a few

weeks ago, revealed in the last seven years, in the country survey

they had lost 30% of their populations. These consumers, do

they know where the ivory is sourced from, even though you take on the

welfare issues, do they know where it is sourced from? How can they

tell if they are buying good, illegal ivory, if there were such a

thing or ivory that is propping up a barbaric trade in poaching? Going to

leave it there, thanks for coming on the programme. Thanks to our guests