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Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump clash in one of the most watched | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
The 90 minute showdown covered the economy, | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
race and national security and saw personal attacks on both sides | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
I will release my tax returns against, my lawyers' wishes, | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted. | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
who has called women, pigs, slobs and dogs. | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
As an early poll suggests Hillary Clinton came out best, | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
we'll get the views of some Americans who watched it alongside | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
The Daily Telegraph alleges that the England manager, | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
the Football Association's rules on player transfers. | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
We'll bring you some of the secret recordings. | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
The British Asian men who marry for money then abandon their wives. | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
Men do this because it's so easy to get away with it. Not in a single | :01:09. | :01:21. | |
case that I am counted was there any comeback for the men. -- that I | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
encountered. And on the 50th anniversary of his | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
first radio broadcast for the BBC, Sir Terry Wogan is remembered | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
at Westminster Abbey. We'll speak to some | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
of his biggest fans. Welcome to the programme, | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
we're live until 11 this morning. Later, in a highly personal film, | :01:36. | :01:54. | |
one DJ asks why black men in Britain are 17 times more likely to suffer | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
from serious mental health problems than white men. Absolutely alarming | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
statistic, we will bring you that later. If you're getting a judge, | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, if you text you will be charged up a | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
standard network rate. -- if you're getting in touch. | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
More than 90 million people were glued to their TVs last night | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
for the most watched political debate in history. | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump clashed over their policies | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
and character as they went head to head for the first time | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
The Democratic candidate accused her Republican | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
rival of hiding something because of his failure | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
Mr Trump dismissed Mrs Clinton's record in office | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
There were also sharp exchanges over each other's fitness for office. | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
Our North America correspondent, Nick Bryant, was watching. | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
America's never seen a reality show like this. | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
A former first lady head-to-head with a Manhattan property tycoon | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
in a televised debate that blurred the lines | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
This is the first time they've shared the stage | :02:50. | :02:58. | |
and despite the faux niceties, it quickly became fight night. | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
They clashed over trade deals like NAFTA. | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
Your husband signed NAFTA, which was one of the worst | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
things that ever happened to the manufacturing industry. | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
Well, I know you live in your own reality, | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
She attacked a billionaire for failing to release his tax returns. | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
He counter-punched by bringing up her use of a private e-mail | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
I will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
As soon as she releases them, I will release, | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
I made a mistake using a private e-mail. | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
And if I had to do over again I would obviously it differently, | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
but I'm not going to make any excuses. | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
It was a mistake and I take responsibility for that. | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
One of the angriest clashes came over Donald Trump's repeated claims | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
over the years that Barack Obama was not American. | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
Mr Trump questioned whether she had the temperament to be Commander | :04:07. | :04:16. | |
in Chief, having apparently seen her offstage | :04:17. | :04:17. | |
The other day, behind the blue screen, I don't know | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton, | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
I said, there's a person with a temperament | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
He also said that his female opponent did not have | :04:31. | :04:41. | |
I don't believe that Hillary has the stamina. | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents, | :04:52. | :04:59. | |
an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
committee, he can talk to me about stamina. | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
Hillary Clinton looked and sounded like the more conventional | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
presidential candidate, something Donald Trump tried | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
This was 90 minutes of vintage Trump that would've delighted his core | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
supporters, but his task tonight was also to reach out to undecided | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
voters, still unsure about whether he passes a basic | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
Laura Bicker is our correspondent in Washington. | :05:30. | :05:45. | |
What is the verdict, Laura, who do people think won? I don't think | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
there was a killer, knockout blow, but I think if you were looking to | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
see who edged it, who is ahead in the polls, when it comes to this | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
debate, it is Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump managed to compose | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
himself a 30 minutes, he stuck to his strip, he managed to land a few | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
blows when it came to trade deals, for example, one Hillary Clinton | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
said one thing and now says another -- managed to stick to his script. | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
The buttons are forward as an antiestablishment candidate. But | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
then his train went off the track. He started with the insults, he kept | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
interrupting, his voice got louder, he got more erratic and went off | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
script. Hillary Clinton remained composed throughout, made jokes | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
about his temperament, whether or not he was fit to be president, and | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
put that question in the minds of voters. When it came to the last dig | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
about whether or not she had the stamina, after 90 or so minutes | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
debating, she was the one that looked fresh as a daisy, he looked | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
like he needed to go home. Thank you very much, Laura. | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
The Football Association is investigating claims in today's | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce, | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players. | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers, | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
In the undercover footage, Sam Allardyce discusses so-called | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
third-party ownership, where an investment company takes | :07:18. | :07:18. | |
It is a practice banned by the Football Association | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
in England and by the international football organisation, FIFA. | :07:26. | :07:46. | |
You have not seen this one before, have you? | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
The man known as Big Sam was announced as the new | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
The Telegraph says any agreement between Sam Allardyce and the sports | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
management company would have had the potential to create | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
According to the paper, Mr Allardyce repeatedly said | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
that he would have to clear the deal with his employer, | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
In another section, one of Mr Allardyce's own colleagues | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
talks about paying colleagues and managers to help | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
The Telegraph says it has been investigating alleged irregularities | :08:19. | :08:54. | |
in British football for ten months, and there are many more | :08:55. | :08:56. | |
Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force. | :08:57. | :09:07. | |
The Telegraph says it has been investigating alleged irregularities | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force. | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
they've found items of slight interest - including fabric - | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
There are some other items of slight interest which were found yesterday, | :09:40. | :09:50. | |
the odd piece of fabric. That is being analysed and look that. | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
That'll take a little bit of time to do. But slight interest is the point | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
in relation to that at the moment. Every single light that we have | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
found, those of you here yesterday saw the fingertip search taking | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
place, everything is being carefully looked at and we are working through | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
the same again today. You may see that we are not working in a line, | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
grid by grid, adjacent to each other. As I said yesterday, that is | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
based on the fact that I have a targeted approach to specific areas | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
of interest based on the information we have managed to gather over the | :10:24. | :10:25. | |
past 18 months. From today, the seven million people | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
who have registered for a BBC online account will be asked | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
to supply their postcode. At the moment, only a username, | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
email address, password and - for those wishing to comment on news | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
stories - a date of The BBC says knowing users' | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
postcodes will help it offer A second, bigger change will come | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
in next year, when all users of the iPlayer service | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
will need to sign in. A new report has called for the | :10:46. | :10:59. | |
practice of some British Asian men marrying women and then leaving them | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
shortly after getting married in South Asia to be treated as domestic | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
violence. It has been discovered they have been taking thousands of | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
pounds from their new wife's family and using the women as domestic | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
slaves for their in-laws. Astronomers have found more evidence | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
that Jupiter's icy moon, Europa, The latest observation - uncovered | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
by the Hubble space telescope - raises the prospect of samples | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
from the water being Scientists say there may be | :11:23. | :11:24. | |
microorganisms in Europa's vast ocean, which is | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
covered with thick ice. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
News - more at 9:30am. I asked on Twitter if you thought | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
Sam Allardyce could survive in his job as England manager after just | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
one game in charge because of allegations made by the Telegraph. | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
One viewer says no, he can't, he has totally belittled his credibility, | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
he is toast. Gibson says, he probably can because he is still in | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
the honeymoon period. Andrew said, I don't understand what he did wrong. | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
The reporter asked if these things went on and he said that they do, he | :12:03. | :12:11. | |
did not endorse them in any way. We will talk to our sports news | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
correspondent at just after 9:30am. Get in touch with us, use the | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
hashtag #VictoriaLive. If you text, you will be charged a standard | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
networked rake. -- network rate. Sir Dave Brailsford, | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
the boss of Team Sky has been explaining why Sir Bradley Wiggins | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
was given permission to take a banned substance before big races | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
and why they weren't cheating. Two Knights of the Garter, Sir | :12:31. | :12:38. | |
Bradley and Sir Dave, over the past few days they have been caught on | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
the back foot somewhat. -- Knights of the realm. A Russian hacking | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
group has hacked into the World Anti-Doping Agency computers and | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
pulled out the exemption certificates, all the actors... | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
Athletes who have been using. That is athlete who, when they are run | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
well, need to use what is usually a banned substance for a genuine | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
medical need. Sir Bradley Wiggins used three in 2011, 2012 and 2013, | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
particularly before major races in 2012, when he won the Tour de | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
France. He used something which is a very powerful anti-inflammatory | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
steroid, he used it to treat an ongoing asthma condition but, of | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
course, there is a slight grey area because many critics feel that these | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
are open to abuse, that doctors will just prescribe them to give athletes | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
the edge. Team Sky, Sir Dave Brailsford, said this was not the | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
case. He has no not Sir Bradley Wiggins has always suffered from | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
asthma and they are very, very comfortable with the protocols of | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
getting one of these certificates. It is not one of their own doctors | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
prescribing them, they had to get individual independent medical | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
advice to actually get one. It is all about image, he says that, going | :14:00. | :14:06. | |
forward, perhaps they had to be a lot more transparent about exactly | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
what that athletes are taking. The issue we are getting, with all | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
of this situation, on the one hand transparency and sharing ins -- | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
information would be an ideal place for us to get to, something we are | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
definitely looking at and something that we're heading to. We will do | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
that should any TUE be made public in the future. We will change our | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
forward-looking policy to be absolutely transparent. | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
Team Sky was set up all those years ago with a zero-tolerance | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
anti-doping charter. But they do say that, yes, they can't stop people | :14:46. | :14:54. | |
thinking... But they are clear that they did not cheat. Olly Foster is | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
back with the sports headlines at 9:30pm. -- 9:30am. | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
It was always going to get personal, given the toxic nature | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
Last night's US presidential debate saw bitter exchanges | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as each battled | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
He was on the back foot over tax and race. | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
She was accused of deceiving the American public. | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
And the candidates scrapped angrily over key policy areas such | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
Here are some of the key moments from the debate which was watched, | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
it's thought, by around 90 million people | :15:23. | :15:32. | |
Why won't he release his tax returns? | :15:33. | :15:33. | |
And I think there are maybe a couple of reasons. | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. | :15:37. | :15:38. | |
Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
Third, we don't know all of his business dealings, | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
but we have been told through investigative reporting | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
that he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks. | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
Or maybe he doesn't want the American people, | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
all of you watching tonight, to know he's paid nothing in federal | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
when he was trying to get a casino licence and they showed he didn't | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
So if he paid zero, that means zero for troops, zero for vets, | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
zero for schools or health, and I think probably he's not | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
all that enthusiastic about having the rest of our country see | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
what the real reasons are because it must be | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
something really important, even terrible that he | :16:35. | :16:36. | |
I will release them as soon as the audit. | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
Look, I've been under audit almost for 15 years. | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
I know a lot of wealthy people that have never been audited. | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
I get audited almost every year and in a way, I should | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
I get audited by the IRS, but other people don't. | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
We have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of. | :16:59. | :17:08. | |
I will release my tax returns against my lawyers wishes | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
As soon as she releases them, I will release, | :17:15. | :17:16. | |
I will release my tax returns, and that's against my lawyers, | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
Watching shows, reading the papers, almost every lawyer says you don't | :17:20. | :17:30. | |
release your returns until the audit is complete. | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
When the audit's complete I will do it, but I will go against them | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
I made a mistake using a private e-mail. | :17:37. | :17:49. | |
And if I had to do it over again I would obviously do it differently, | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
but I'm not going to make any excuses. | :17:57. | :17:58. | |
It was a mistake and I take responsibility for that. | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
OK, that was not a mistake that was done purposely. | :18:04. | :18:16. | |
When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment, | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
taking the Fifth, so they're not prosecuted. | :18:24. | :18:34. | |
When you have the man that set-up the illegal service taking | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
the Fifth, I think it's disgraceful, and believe me, country thinks it's, | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
Remember, Donald started his career back in 1973 being sued | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
by the Justice Department for racial discrimination because he would not | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
rent apartments in one of his developments to African-Americans | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
and he made sure that the people who worked for him understood | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
He actually was sued twice by the Justice Department, | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
so he has a long record of engaging in racist behaviour and be both | :18:58. | :19:21. | |
You know, Barack Obama is a man with great dignity and I could tell | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
how much it bothered him and annoyed him that this | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
was being touted and used against him, but I like to remember | :19:32. | :19:33. | |
what Michelle Obama said in her amazing speech | :19:34. | :19:35. | |
at our Democratic National Convention. | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
"When they go low, we go higher", and Barack Obama went high, | :19:40. | :19:42. | |
despite Donald Trump's best efforts to bring him down. | :19:43. | :19:44. | |
Mr Trump, you can respond the men were going to move on. | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
First of all, I got to watch in preparing for this some | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
of your debates against Barack Obama. | :19:52. | :19:52. | |
You treated him with terrible disrespect and I watched the way | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
you talk now about how lovely everything is and how | :19:56. | :19:58. | |
You even sent out, or your campaign sent out pictures of | :19:59. | :20:10. | |
Very famous pictures, I do think you can deny that. | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
But just last week your campaign manager said it was true, | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
so when you try to act holier than thou, it | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
Now as far as the lawsuit, yes, when I was very young I went | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
He had a real state company in Brooklyn and Queens and we, | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
along with many, many other companies throughout the country, | :20:35. | :20:36. | |
We settled the suit with zero, no admission of guilt. | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
You go to New England, you go to Ohio, Pennsylvania, | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
you go anywhere you want, Secretary Clinton, and you will see | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
devastation where manufacturing is down 30%, 40%, sometimes 50%. | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
NAFTA is the worst trade deal may be ever side anywhere, | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
but certainly ever signed in this country and now you want to approve | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
You were totally in favour of it, then you heard what I was saying, | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
how bad it is and you said, I can't win that debate, | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
but you know that if you didn't win, you would approve that and that | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
Well, we need to have smart, fair trade deals. | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
We also both need to have a tax system that rewards work and not | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
just financial transactions and the kind of plan that Donald has | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
put forward would be trickle-down economics all over again. | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
In fact, it would be the most extreme version. | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
The biggest tax cuts for the top percent of the people in this | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
I call it trumped up trickle-down because that's exactly | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
She doesn't have the looks, she doesn't have the stamina. | :21:37. | :21:47. | |
I said she doesn't have the stamina and I don't believe | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
To be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
Wait a minute, she asked me a question. | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
You have to be able to negotiate our trade deals. | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
You have to be able to negotiate, that's right, | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
Can you imagine, we're defending Saudi Arabia and with all | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
of the money they have, where it defending them | :22:19. | :22:20. | |
You have so many different things you have to be able to do and I do | :22:21. | :22:28. | |
believe that Hillary has the stamina. | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man | :22:31. | :22:41. | |
who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs and someone | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
He has said women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
And one of the worst things he said was about a woman | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
Supporting them and hanging around them. | :22:56. | :23:06. | |
Then he called her Miss Housekeeping because she was Latina. | :23:07. | :23:27. | |
Her name Alicia Machado and she has become a US citizen and you can bet | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
she's going to vote this November. | :23:32. | :23:32. | |
We can speak now to five Americans living in the UK who stayed up | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
to watch the debate, Kristal Paramor and Ashley Florestal | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
They want Hillary Clinton to win the presidential race. | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
And Alex Sundstrom and his wife Malise. | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
They are both Republicans and want Donald Trump to win. | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
And Greg Barron who isn't keen on either of the two | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
I'm going to ask you to be fair to the candidate you don't support. | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
What did you think of the debate? I thought it was, it to be fair, I | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
thought it was very much what we have seen so far of both of the | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
candidates. A lot of winging it on Trump's behalf and then Hillary | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
Clinton preparing as well as being knocked down for preparing for it. I | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
don't think, I think it has been that the entire time and nothing has | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
changed really. Did you learn anything new? No. Who won? Who won? | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
I think Clinton won, but by very little. And that's a Donald Trump | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
supporter saying that. I don't think it will matter. I don't think we | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
have seen anything new and so I don't think it will hurt Trump. I | :24:28. | :24:34. | |
think the strength, one of Clinton's strengths, she is lawyer, when she | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
was preparing, Donald Trump was out on the campaign trail, boosting his | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
results in swing States so he got a good return on that. So he has been | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
away from the debate prep. I cringed a lot of the times. He a lot of | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
challenges from the way the questions were framed. A lot of | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
questions on the Bertha point, areas they probed him maybe unfairly, but | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
against that he got rattled towards the end. The Bertha point, just to | :25:06. | :25:14. | |
explain to our audience, for five years Donald Trump questioned | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
whether President Obama was born in the United States and then a couple | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
of weeks ago changed his mind and accepted that he was. Is that going | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
to go, do you think or not? He wasn't able to answer why he changed | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
his mind? He accepted the reality. Clinton doesn't have clean hands. | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
Throughout 2008 her sur owe gates, she was the creator of this issue. | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
There is disputes who said, she said, we're getting a lot of | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
hearsay, Trump ran with it and dropped it. I don't think it is the | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
kind of issue, it is not that important in the grand scheme of | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
things especially given how both of them seem to have been involved. | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
What did you think about the point that Donald Trump should release his | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
tax returns and him saying, "Well, I will, when you release the deleted | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
thousands of e-mails?" Well, I think it is kind of a point that's beaten | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
to death. I think there is a standard for presidential | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
candidates. Every presidential candidate since the 80s has released | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
their tax returns, I find it ironic that Mr Trump is talking about Mrs | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
Clinton's transparency and what secretary Clinton is not releasing | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
when he is not releasing a base part of, a basic part of running for | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
president. I think it is even more ironic that his point that he is | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
such a businessman, that's why he is qualified for the job, yet he | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
doesn't want to release information on how successful his businesses | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
are. Do you think this is going to become more of an issue that his tax | :26:49. | :26:58. | |
returns aren't out there yet? I think the discussion will continue. | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
I think the e-mails are a bigger issue... Of course you do because | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
you are a Donald Trump supporter. I'm actually undecided. But I'm a | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
Republican. But not that undecided? I don't know, I want to have time to | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
go through it, but I think the e-mails are a bigger deal. This is a | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
very basic part of running for president. The e-mails are more | :27:24. | :27:32. | |
disqualifying, she handled potentially classified information. | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
But they have been deleted. The prospects of them being published is | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
zero which means Mr Trump doesn't have to publish his tax returns | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
according to what he said last night? We will see what happens if | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
the tax returns. I think that was more a part of the debate but I | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
think he wanted to bring up the point there are these e-mails. Greg, | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
not keen on either of the main candidates, what did you make of the | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
debate? Well, I think both candidates talked nonsense. Clinton, | :28:02. | :28:09. | |
it is much more detailed nonsense. Is that more offensive to you, would | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
you rather have vague nonsense or detailed nonsense? Trump, when he | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
can't think of what to say, he falls back on the generalalities and | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
talking about his poll numbers or admirals and generals who are | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
supporting him. Clinton was clearly far more prepared particularly in | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
the end of the debate, you could see that things were fraying for Trump. | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
I think Clinton won the debate in the sense that she smiled and she | :28:42. | :28:49. | |
didn't look, she looked almost human which is unusual for her! She looked | :28:50. | :28:57. | |
almost human. Gosh. And she, if you hadn't been a lot of Americans begin | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
to pay attention to the election around this time and if you hadn't | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
been paying attention for a year, the last year, to the e-mail scandal | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
which is truly scandalous that this person might end up being president, | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
but if you hadn't been paying attention and this was the first you | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
were looking at the election, you might think, Clinton looks credible. | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
So in that sense I think Clinton probably won, but she has to sway | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
people like us. I mean I'm undecided as well and no, I know too much | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
about her. I'm not voting for Clinton. The question for me is - | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
can I bring myself to vote for Trump? I mean... Other candidates | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
are available. Yes, yes, but you vote, I would vote for Johnson or | :29:50. | :29:51. | |
Trump, but... Looking at the debate, Clinton is so | :29:52. | :30:03. | |
about the past. I look at her rant I see nothing but the past. She is | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
very well prepared, going back to her record and all of that, but I | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
don't associate with the future. In my head, it is so stuck in the past. | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
It is very easy to just go there, that we have had the Clinton | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
administration before, do we really want another one? Everything has | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
entirely changed since that administration. What a small, | :30:26. | :30:33. | |
like... I just... I honestly don't really... I can't... I don't know | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
what to say. What I find infuriating is that they hold her accountable | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
for things that are husbanded. When you had Bush Junior running, it | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
would have been ludicrous for him to be held accountable for things that | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
his father was doing. Why is she, who was not in a position of power | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
at that time, she was First Lady, she was more of a ceremonial role, | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
why is she being held accountable? That is politics, if you want the | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
top job, it is how it is. Meanwhile, she uses her husband as an example | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
of a time when the country was prosperous. That is fact. She can't | :31:15. | :31:26. | |
have it both ways. I think that her record, since the Clinton | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
administration left the office, there is a lot of stuff that people | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
focus on, her own sins. The Clinton foundation money, hundreds of | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
millions of dollars for speeches, I don't think you need to Yoko to Bill | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
Clinton. There are tremendous amounts of Clinton scandals, but I | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
don't see a lot of people blaming her for Clinton's scandals, I think | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
it stands on her own. You may or may not be interested in these messages | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
from British viewers. Actually, I had assumed they are British. Paul | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
says there were no knockout punches but a clear win for cool-headed | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
Hillary, wrote one to the lady. Matt says neck and neck, but they said | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
Trump never had a chance, just like they said we would not vote out of | :32:11. | :32:17. | |
the EU. Rachel said his lack of preparation was obvious, Clinton was | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
much more prepared. Derek said I think it is that the USA can only | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
find these two to choose from. Dan on Facebook said neither was very | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
presidential. Two debates to go, thank you for | :32:29. | :32:29. | |
coming on. You can see a full hour | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
of highlights of the Presidential debate at 11am this morning and 8pm | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
tonight on the BBC News Channel. And if you want to see it in full, | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
you can watch it at 12.45 this An exclusive film on the women | :32:38. | :32:46. | |
abandoned in South Asia by their British husbands. | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
Welcome to the millions if you watching, to the performers from 25 | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
countries waiting nervously backstage. Andrew Marr brings Sir | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
Terry, we will look at the life and career of the much loved star as it | :33:00. | :33:07. | |
approaches the 50th anniversary of his first BBC radio broadcast -- and | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
remembering Sir Terry Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :33:12. | :33:13. | |
with a summary of today's news. The US presidential candidates | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have locked horns in the first | :33:17. | :33:18. | |
of three televised debates before The pair clashed on economic policy | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
with Mr Trump accusing his rival of having no plan to boost jobs, | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
while Mrs Clinton accused him I will release my tax returns, | :33:26. | :33:38. | |
against my lawyers' wishes, when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
have been deleted. He tried to switch from looks to | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
stamina, but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare tax force. The | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
aim is looking at ways of providing more help for parents before | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
children go to school. Shadow education and is a Angela Rayner | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
will tell the party conference in Liverpool that every parent should | :34:06. | :34:07. | |
have the right to quality, affordable childcare. | :34:08. | :34:08. | |
The Football Association is investigating claims in today's | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce, | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players. | :34:13. | :34:20. | |
He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen. | :34:21. | :34:22. | |
Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers, | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
they've found items of slight interest - including fabric - | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
A Pakistani court has opened the trial against the father | :34:41. | :34:48. | |
and ex-husband of a British woman allegedly killed in a so-called | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab. | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
Her relatives initially said she had suffered a heart attack | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
but a post-mortem examination confirmed she died as a result | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
of being strangled and had also been raped. | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
Cheshire Mohammed should kill denies murder and her father denies being | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
an accessory to murder. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
News - more at 10am. Here's some sport now | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
with Olly Foster. Sir Dave Brailsford, | :35:16. | :35:16. | |
the boss of Team Sky, says that he may look | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
at making their cyclist's It follows the leak by Russian | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
hackers revealing the details of dozens of Therapeutic Use | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
Exemption Certificates, including three for Sir Bradley | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
Wiggins before major races in which he gained permission to use | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
what is normally a performance-enhancing steroid | :35:35. | :35:36. | |
to treat his asthma. Brailsford says they didn't cheat | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
and that there was a genuine Burnley have moved up four places | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
in the Premier League to 13th after beating Watford | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
2-0 at home last night. Jeff Hendrick and Michael Keane | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
with the goals. Two English teams | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
are playing tonight. Leicester will be looking to make it | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
two wins out of two. And with the start of the Ryder Cup | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
just three days away, Bubba Watson has been added to USA | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
team as an assistant captain. He missed out on a wild card pick | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
to play in Minnessota. I will be back in about half an hour | :36:10. | :36:23. | |
with an England cricketer. You tease, I would do that could | :36:24. | :36:30. | |
be?! Olly Foster will be back at around ten of five. | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
Next the British Asian men who marry for money and then abandon their | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
wives. It is still common for South Asian men in the UK to get married | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
to women from the subcontinent, but in some cases the wives are then | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
abandoned after being used for money and abused. New research by | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
academics at Lincoln University recommends they should be treated as | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
domestic violence victims in the UK and help to get justice. Catrin Nye | :36:55. | :36:56. | |
brings this exclusive film. Men do this because it is so easy | :36:57. | :37:38. | |
for them to get away with it. Not in a single case that | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
I encountered was there any comeback for the men, | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
no criminal prosecutions. What he gets away with is | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
abusing women, gaining So we make it very easy for men | :37:49. | :37:50. | |
to get away with this abuse. So I have come to Punjab | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
in the north of India and I am here because this is a region | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
with strong family ties to the UK. That means this is a journey that | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
some British Asian men still make The phenomenon of the abandoned | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
bride happens when those wives are used for dowry, | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
money paid by the bride's family to their husband's, | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
abused and then dumped. Some are abandoned after coming | :38:11. | :38:12. | |
to the UK but most are taken back to India, often | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
on a pretend holiday. I have come to meet Sunita, | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
whose name I have changed. Her husband made that journey | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
from the UK when they got Once Sunita's husband went back | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
to the UK, things changed. Sunita also found out her husband | :38:24. | :38:56. | |
was already married. Sunita's family also gave his around | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
?4000 worth of gold. Her father is sitting | :39:01. | :39:47. | |
near her as we talk. They are struggling for money | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
and with the consequences What does it mean for | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
the woman left behind? For the woman abandoned, | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
it means the end of her Primarily because the assumption | :40:01. | :40:02. | |
is she has had sex and that stigma is massive and it | :40:03. | :40:10. | |
cannot be overcome. It has an impact on other | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
people in the family. So her sisters, for example, | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
will find it harder to get married. She will find it very | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
difficult to get a job. She faces day-to-day | :40:22. | :40:23. | |
financial insecurity. Anitha met more than 50 women | :40:24. | :40:33. | |
in India who had been abandoned after marrying men living overseas, | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
most of them in the UK. Some had paid as much | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
as ?25,000 as a dowry. She met one woman raped by her | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
new husband, and then abandoned. She started facing pressure | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
from her mother-in-law, She came back from work | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
and her mother-in-law gave her a glass of milk | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
and she doesn't remember anything She woke up the next day | :41:00. | :41:01. | |
with bruises all over her body. Is this how a relationship, | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
a sexual relationship happens? Another woman was left in India | :41:06. | :41:16. | |
and used as a domestic The food was served and was put | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
on the floor and they would push it How do you feel about | :41:20. | :41:28. | |
what happened to you? Many people living here | :41:29. | :42:03. | |
in Punjab move overseas. So this building is somewhat | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
immigration central in Punjab. This is where you come | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
if you want English lessons, British immigration lawyer | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
Harjap Bhangal comes here around once a month to advise people | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
on immigration issues. We have had cases where guys | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
from the UK have had girlfriends and have no | :42:27. | :42:28. | |
intention of leaving them, I had a case last year, | :42:29. | :42:30. | |
the guy was divorced and had had a kid from his previous marriage, | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
he married here, and the first time that woman got to know | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
about it was when she turned up He says he has been able to help | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
women in the past that have been So we had a case once | :42:42. | :42:49. | |
where there was a guy from the UK Brought to the UK, had a child | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
there, and the whole motive So he brought the wife back | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
on the pretence of a holiday, leaving the child in the UK, | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
and then picked up her Technically, that is just | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
keeping her away from her child. The police got involved | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
with the embassy and managed to get her brought back to the UK, | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
managed to get her husband arrested. But where the cases are where | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
they have never been invited There's not much really the UK | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
can really do about it. They can say, "Hold on, | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
we've not got jurisdiction, Harjap is also going on local TV | :43:30. | :43:31. | |
to give immigration advice. They interview doctors | :43:32. | :43:39. | |
and accountants. He has had calls before | :43:40. | :43:50. | |
from abandoned brides but this time, it is a husband that has | :43:51. | :43:52. | |
been left behind. The best thing to do | :43:53. | :44:26. | |
here is a report it to the police. Forced marriage is another problem | :44:27. | :44:37. | |
raised, when marriages cross continents and husband and wife | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
don't know each other well. In this case, the wife had a very | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
good reason to not want her husband Harjap says he sees far more | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
women abandoned the men. He thinks the British government | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
needs to do something about it. There should be a law in the UK | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
where even if deception is international, and the guy comes | :44:58. | :45:00. | |
back to live in the UK, because he has used his passport | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
to gain an advantage. Therefore, the UK Government should | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
say to these people, "Right, you have abused your privilege | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
as a British citizen and therefore, we are going to do | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
something about it". This report by Lincoln University | :45:16. | :45:26. | |
also calls for action Pragna Patel is a campaign | :45:27. | :45:28. | |
and worked with academics What needs to be done | :45:29. | :45:36. | |
to tackle this? Abandonment should be recognised | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
as an aspect of domestic violence because it involves emotional, | :45:41. | :45:42. | |
sexual, financial, physical, Once it is, then all the legal | :45:43. | :45:44. | |
avenues should be open to women, either to seek protection | :45:45. | :45:54. | |
or prosecution or other legal remedies that would be | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
available to abandoned women. Is it the British state's | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
responsibility when these women are from South Asia, | :46:05. | :46:06. | |
this is happening in South Asia? The perpetrators are | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
British nationals. If the British state turns a blind | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
eye or is indifferent to this, then it is contributing to that | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
culture of impunity. These men are not held | :46:16. | :46:18. | |
to account by anyone. Should the responsibility | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
of the state not be Only last week, Southall Black | :46:22. | :46:23. | |
Sisters had a case which involved a perpetrator abusing | :46:24. | :46:33. | |
and abandoning women in five I think that in a globalised world, | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
we have to wake up to the fact that violence in transnational spaces | :46:36. | :46:45. | |
is a new and emerging form We will talk to a woman after | :46:46. | :46:59. | |
10.30am who was abandoned. She will be here in the studio later. | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
A special service to celebrate the life of Sir Terry Wogan will be | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
held at Westminster Abbey today on the 50th anniversary of his first | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
The radio and TV star died in January this year | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
The Director-General of the BBC, Tony Hall will give the address - | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
Radio 2 presenters Chris Evans and Ken Bruce are giving tributes | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
and there will be a performance by Katie Melua | :47:24. | :47:25. | |
In a moment we will speak to some people who knew him, | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
but first here's a bit of genius from the late, great Wogan. | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
Please welcome our knight of the realm, Sir Terry Wogan! | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
Welcome to what I hope will be the beginning of a long | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
How anyone could get such applause and still | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
If being famous was there on offer, great. | :47:51. | :48:03. | |
I could have been a disc jockey, yeah. | :48:04. | :48:27. | |
Sir Terry has presented Children In Need for over 30 years. | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
That's over 200 hours of live TV and pure | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
Welcome once again to this programme, Maeve Binchy. | :48:36. | :49:00. | |
When somebody like Maeve Binchy doesn't appear, when I had | :49:01. | :49:03. | |
introduced her, that could only happen on a live show. | :49:04. | :49:11. | |
She got stuck on the stairs coming down from hospitality. | :49:12. | :49:13. | |
A man in a wheelchair was going up, she was trying to come down. | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
I could be sitting here nice and neatly before you told me. | :49:18. | :49:26. | |
Welcome to the millions of you watching, to the performers | :49:27. | :49:34. | |
from 25 countries waiting nervously backstage, and to the 4000 fans | :49:35. | :49:36. | |
Four knitting brides of Frankenstein. | :49:37. | :49:48. | |
I will be putting those questions to you. | :49:49. | :49:58. | |
Until we are together again in February. | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
Let's talk now to some people who were close to him. | :50:02. | :50:14. | |
Alan Dedicoat, a friend and broadcaster who worked | :50:15. | :50:16. | |
And who is the voice of the balls on the Lottery and the | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
And Norman who is a proud TOG - that's "Terry's | :50:23. | :50:40. | |
I don't remember him looking particularly ill or anything. There | :50:41. | :50:48. | |
were no clues. He disappeared. He shocked me, certainly, the night | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
before Children in Need I got a text from the Director of The epic | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
programme saying Terry has pulled out for health reasons. You think | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
well, he would never have done that, not right at the last minute. So it | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
must have been something serious. After that, we heard nothing. I sent | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
him texts, e-mails, that sort of thing which he was all right with, | :51:10. | :51:12. | |
he could do all that and would get back to me, but nothing came back. | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
So we knew there was something, something wrong and then that shock | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
news on the Sunday morning just came out of the blue. It was just | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
amazing. Norman, there will be a lot of younger viewers who will not know | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
about the TOGs, why don't you fill them in and tell them how Terry was | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
a massive part of that? TOGs came about with Terry's daughter, she was | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
talking to him when he went home from work and she said, "Have you | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
been talking to the old geezers again?" He mention it and we all | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
became TOGs, it is a state of mind. It is not a club or there is nothing | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
that anybody can join, we have a Facebook page which is secret and | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
hidden. You used to get together and Terry would come along Into We would | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
go to his shows and do things like that and we would have fun in his | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
name and we did a whole... And he would have fun at yours? We did, | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
yeah. We did a host of fund-raising with him and everyone got behind | :52:14. | :52:16. | |
Children in Need because he was the inspiration for that and the TOGs | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
did that as a fund-raising effort. But if you went upstairs and | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
thought, "Why have I come up here. You had no idea, you were a TOG." | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
That was ta sort of thing. What was it like to be in the studio with him | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
on the Breakfast Show on Radio 2? It was fantastic. It was a laugh from | :52:39. | :52:49. | |
the minute he arrived. A lot of it we wouldn't transmit. A dark | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
winter's morning he came in a pink cardigan because he put Helen's | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
cardigan on. He just got dressed in the dark and that's what happened. | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
On another occasion his producer used to sit-in with him and he used | :53:03. | :53:09. | |
to sit on a bar stool basically and just as Terry opened the microphone | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
to speak to the nation, the producer clambered on to the bar tool and I | :53:14. | :53:16. | |
don't know whether it was trapped wind or what it was, but a noise | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
came out and they were in fits of laughter and Terry said on air, "I | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
shouldn't have to put up with this." He left the microphone on for two or | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
three minutes and it was just solid laughter. It was such good fun. Jill | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
is here. I'm glad you're not stuck in a lift somewhere. Come on to the | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
programme. Flustered. You were a member of Terry's old geezers and | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
gals. What did you love about him on the radio? The fun and the humour | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
really. There wasn't a day that passed by where there wasn't | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
something that had you in stitches and usually all of them as well and | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
laughter is infectious. And you, Norman, you met your wife through | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
it? I did. Helen was fund-raising with Terry and his old producer. | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
They did a calendar thing and I helped out and I met Helen a couple | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
of times at TOGs convention and we were both married at the time. We | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
both got divorced and were single and we met one day at a romantic | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
place, chiefly services on the M4! We fell in love that day and we have | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
been together ever since! Terry took the credit for it after about two or | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
three months when he knew we were actually together and weren't going | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
to split up! I owe him my wife and my life because we gave up our jobs | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
then to do fund-raising with him and it was just ten years... That's an | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
incredible relationship with listeners, isn't it? It is | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
incredible. It is unique, isn't it. What you saw is what you got. He was | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
as genuine as anyone could be really. There is no side to him. | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
There was no special Act because he was on the radio. He was the same on | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
air as he was off air and that was fantastic. I loved the nicknames he | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
had for various people in BBC management! Duky, that was the | :55:11. | :55:19. | |
chairman. He He would sort of create fantastical lives? Yes, built at the | :55:20. | :55:26. | |
back of Broadcasting House was Birt's Bee strode. He was having a | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
bit of a go at them in a great way though. And only he do and get away | :55:31. | :55:40. | |
with it! Frank used to pretend she was some kind of man eater, but she | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
clearly wasn't, but from a listening point of view, you were drawn into | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
that world? Yeah, he painted great pictures which is what radio is all | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
about. He was good at including everybody. You thought he's talking | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
to me now and it was as if he was talking to one person at a time. And | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
there is never been another radio presenter since or before that that | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
did that thing. Everyone was included. They all joined in the | :56:05. | :56:12. | |
jokes. They all wrote in even if wasn't their e-mail and it became a | :56:13. | :56:18. | |
trail. I think every subject became a snowball. Louise says, "I worked | :56:19. | :56:25. | |
with Sir Terry years ago. I was hung over on Pim's and he told me it was | :56:26. | :56:35. | |
one of my five a day." He said, "Who knows what horrors are to come, I | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
do, I have seen the rehearsals." Another viewer says, "I loved Terry. | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
He never took himself seriously." Les says, "Your short video | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
featuring Sir Terry Wogan really sent a shiver up the spine. If | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
laughter is a medicine and people say it is, we will live forever, I | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
suspect, 15 years of solid laughter. It was fantastic. The service today | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
is clearly going to be very poignant, but there are going to be | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
some laughs, aren't there? Yes. And some surprises I'm told by the | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
producer, yeah. All right, thank you, Jill, Norman, | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
Alan, thank you. I know you're going straight to the service now. Tonight | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
on Radio 2 at 10pm, there is a special programme, it is called | :57:22. | :57:28. | |
Thank You For Being My Friend. That's Part 2 actually, | :57:29. | :57:35. | |
Part 1 was last night and it was an absolutely lovely | :57:36. | :57:37. | |
pgnant funny hour of radio. And this Friday on BBC One at 9pm - | :57:38. | :57:39. | |
Sir Terry Wogan Remembered: The news and sport is coming up. | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
Before that, let's get the weather. Across eastern parts of Norfolk over | :57:43. | :58:00. | |
the past few hours, this was the glorious sunny scene. It won't last | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
much longer. The cloud is on the way. Across much of the country, it | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
is a much, much greyer picture. Skies not only grey, but | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
particularly gloomy with outbreaks of rain as well. As you can see from | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
here, one of our Weather Watcher shots in Guernsey. If you start the | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
day grey, things are set to brighten up. It will take a little bit | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
longer. This is the scene as we head to lunch time. | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
Grey across central England and Wales. Mist and fog over the hills | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
too. But reasonably mild and muggy out there. Bright enough towards the | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
East Coast of East Anglia, but Northern England grey with further | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
rain or drizzle. The sun is with us in Northern Ireland and continues | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
for the rest of the day and by the afternoon much of Scotland except | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
Shetland and parts of the borders will have brightened up, isolated | :58:49. | :58:50. | |
showers in the Highlands and islands. A breeze blowing across the | :58:51. | :58:56. | |
country. It is going to push the sunny conditions into Northern | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
England and Wales. Most dry and even with the cloud, | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
feeling warm enough, temperatures around 20 or 21 Celsius. This | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
evening, it stays cloudy with patchy drizzle showers into the north of | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
Scotland and we will focus on here tonight because it is not only here | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
where we will see wet weather, but the strongest of the winds, 40, | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
50mph gusts, even a little bit more. A wild night to come, before the | :59:21. | :59:25. | |
winds ease later on. Enough of a breeze elsewhere across the UK to | :59:26. | :59:27. | |
stop the temperatures dropping too much, we are looking at 12 to 14 | :59:28. | :59:34. | |
Celsius. For Wales, a dry and sunny start. A wet start for the morning | :59:35. | :59:37. | |
rush hour across Northern Ireland. The breeze pushes the rain in across | :59:38. | :59:40. | |
Scotland through the morning and afternoon. Some heavy bursts towards | :59:41. | :59:47. | |
the north-west again and it turns grey and misty around western | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
coasts. Across parts of south-eastern Scotland and to the | :59:53. | :59:55. | |
east of Wales and across eastern parts of England, this is where we | :59:56. | :59:59. | |
could see temperatures around 20 to 4 Celsius. 24 Celsius. Last night, | :00:00. | :00:18. | |
you got to see a lovely view. We are likely to see further displays of | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
aur roar ra over Scotland over the next few days. Enjoy your day. | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme. | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
A fiery first clash in the race to the White House - | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton spar their way through 90 minutes | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
of the most watched presidential debate in TV history. | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
I will release my tax returns, against my lawyers' wishes, | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted. | :00:41. | :00:48. | |
He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. | :00:51. | :00:58. | |
The Daily Telegraph alleges that the England manager, | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
the Football Association's rules on player transfers. | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
We'll bring you some of the secret recordings. | :01:08. | :01:26. | |
Also, the British Asian men who marry for money and then abandon | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
their wives. Men do this because it's so easy for | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
them to get away with it. Not in a single case that I have encountered | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
was there any comeback for the men. And one DJ investigates the | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
startling statistic that black men in Britain are 17 times more likely | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
to suffer a serious mental health condition than white men. | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
And going to be talking about Black health, because I think it is | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
something that is very, very, very slapped on. | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
The US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
have locked horns in the first of three televised debates before | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
The pair clashed on economic policy with Mr Trump accusing his rival | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
of having no plan to boost jobs, while Mrs Clinton accused him | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
The Football Association is investigating claims in today's | :02:20. | :02:28. | |
Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce, | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players. | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen. | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers, | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
We will be live at FA headquarters after this bulletin. | :02:40. | :02:48. | |
Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force. | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
they've found items of slight interest - including fabric - | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
There are some other items of slight interest which were found yesterday, | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
That is being analysed and looked at. | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
That'll take a little bit of time to do. | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
But slight interest is the point in relation to that at the moment. | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
Every single item that we have found, those of you here yesterday | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
saw the fingertip search taking place, everything is being carefully | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
looked at and we are working through the same again today. | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
You may see that we are not working in a line, grid by grid, | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
As I said yesterday, that is based on the fact that | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
I have a targeted approach to specific areas of interest based | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
on the information we have managed to gather over the past 18 months. | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
A Pakistani court has opened the trial against the father | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
and ex-husband of a British woman allegedly killed in a so-called | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab. | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
It is thought she had been visiting family in the village of Pandori | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
Her relatives initially said she had suffered a heart attack | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
but a post-mortem examination confirmed she died as a result | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
of being strangled and had also been raped. | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
All users of the BBC's iPlayer service will have to log | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
in with a personal account from early 2017. | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
Users of BBC services can already create an online account - | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
known as a BBC ID - but this is not currently required | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
From today, BBC ID holders will have to add a postcode to their | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
Astronomers have found more evidence that Jupiter's icy moon, Europa, | :04:48. | :04:55. | |
The latest observation - uncovered by the Hubble space telescope - | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
raises the prospect of samples from the water being | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
Scientists say there may be microorganisms in Europa's | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
vast ocean, which is covered with thick ice. | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am. | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
Thanks the messages. Quite a few about the US presidential debate. | :05:20. | :05:32. | |
Let's a look. Phil on text says, sadly Donald Trump is his own worst | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
enemy. Looks like the US will continued stagnation, debt and | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
manipulation by a career politician if it is under Clinton. Dawn on | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
Facebook said Clinton is the only choice. She is surrounded by people | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
with experience, calm, rational people. Mr Trump comes across as an | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
adolescent. Get inter choosing the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and then if | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
you are charged you will view text you will be charged at the network | :06:02. | :06:02. | |
rate. Here's some sport now | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
with Olly Foster. I am joined by Ben Stokes. A big | :06:06. | :06:13. | |
week for you and the team, heading to Bangladesh? Bangladesh and then | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
India following that, and exciting winter. We are excited about the | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
future, both as a one-day team and a test team. For the one-day matches, | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
you will not have your captain, Eoin Morgan. He thought long and hard | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
about the security and Bangladesh. I know you all did. He is not going, | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
Alex Hales is staying at home. A difficult decision? For me, there | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
were lots of things to take into consideration. Obviously, there was | :06:45. | :06:53. | |
a lot of thoughts and the process that the ECB took to make a decision | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
that, yeah, we would go. But I think they are good in saying that we will | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
leave this situation up to you as individuals, if you want to go. | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
After previous talks with the security guy, then speaking to him | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
on more than one occasion, I felt that I would go. Eoin and Alex Hales | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
have decided against it. We were told it was an individual decision. | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
Lots of people were making lots of noise away from the England team, | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
former players like Kevin Pietersen saying, you don't go, that will be a | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
black mark against your name? He can comment on whatever, he is not in | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
our environment. I think Alex and Eoin will only be fussed about | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
people involved in the ECB at the moment and how they react. I think | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
they know they have a full backing in their decision. | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
A stop start, for you. Starting brilliantly with that double turn | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
against South Africa, broke all sorts of records, then the final | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
over when you were hit for four sixes in a row to lose the World Cup | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
final. Then the injury. How do you look back at this year? It has been | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
a roller-coaster, her pants down and up and down again. The Cape Town | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
knock was something I wanted to build on, going forward, in the | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
summer with England. And then the final was not something I wanted to | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
build on, if you know what I mean? From one end of the spectrum to | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
another. The injuries have been frustrating, I have not been able to | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
play a full part this summer. I was lucky enough to finish well in the | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
one-day series against Pakistan. We know that Bangladesh will be the | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
warm up for one of the toughest tours in world cricket, India, | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
following before Christmas? That will be very, very tough and long. | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
Especially if you are in bold in all three formats. We want to be the | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
number one test team in the world, going to places like India and | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
performing well will give us a lot of good chance in doing that. We are | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
under no illusions that it will be tough, it is all about build-up, it | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
will be hard, hopefully we can do well. Good luck, Ben. Cheers. Ben | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
Stokes, heading off to the tour of Bangladesh with England on Thursday. | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
Thank you very much, Ben Stokes and Olly Foster. | :09:23. | :09:23. | |
The Daily Telegraph has alleged that the England manager, | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
the Football Association's rules on player transfers. | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
He was filmed by undercover reporters. | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
The paper says Mr Allardyce told undercover reporters posing | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
as fictitious businessmen that it was not a problem | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
Richard Conway, the BBC's sports news correspondent, | :09:41. | :10:04. | |
What is the Telegraph saying in detail? There is quite a lot of | :10:05. | :10:18. | |
detail? There is. Two main strands to this, the first is that Sam | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
Allardyce is agreeing in principle to a ?400,000 business deal whereby | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
he would fly to Singapore or Hong Kong and speak to investors in those | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
countries and make a keynote speech and talk to them at the bar about | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
football and potential... The state of the game and investments. | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
The second strand, potentially more serious for Sam Allardyce, relates | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
to third-party ownership rules. To explain that briefly, it is whereby | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
an investment company or individual 's own the financial stake in a | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
player. It was outlawed by the FA in 2008, a la clawed by the world | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
governing body, Fifa, last year. -- it was outlawed by the world | :11:04. | :11:10. | |
governing body, Fifa, last year. He told these fake businessmen, these | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
journalists, advice on how they could perhaps bypass regulations. | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
That is potentially a bigger problem for him. Other things we should say, | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
in relation to the ?400,000 deal, in those conversations Sam Allardyce | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
said he would have to run that past is FA bosses, it was in principle, | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
not fully signed off as a deal. But it is a difficult day ahead for Sam | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
Allardyce and the FA. Has Sam Allardyce responded yet, | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
what about the English FA? Nothing for Sam Allardyce. The Daily | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
Telegraph says he was given 12 hours yesterday to respond to the claims | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
and allegations but has not said anything publicly. We know he left | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
home this morning in Bolton, we know that he and Martin Glenn, the chief | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
executive of the FA, and Greg Clark, the new chairman of the FA, they are | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
here. We expect there will be a meeting to discuss this. The FA is | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
understood to have asked for video and transcripts from the Daily | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
Telegraph to and they will review the situation. We wait to see | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
whether Sam Allardyce will be at Wembley today. No sign this morning, | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
it is all very quiet. We can expect this will want to be dealt with very | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
quickly. Sam Allardyce is due to pick his England squad for his first | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
home fixture at Wembley on Sunday, this is just 67 days into his reign | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
as England manager, already the question about whether he can | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
survive has been raised. He has wanted this job for so long, | :12:40. | :12:47. | |
he has been in charge for one game. The question is about his judgment. | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
These undercover reporters, posing as fictitious business people, he | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
has never met them. He talked about his predecessor, Gary Neville, his | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
employers, when he would not pick a player for the England team? | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
Very indiscreet comments from Sam Allardyce on Gary Neville, the | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
former assistant manager, on what Hodgson, who resigned as England | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
manager following their poor performance at the European | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
Championships this summer. It is those points that he makes, advice | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
and offers on third-party ownership, which is perhaps the tricky part for | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
Sam Allardyce and the football Association. The governing body of | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
the sport in England, there is a question about whether their moral | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
authority would be reduced when dealing with matters of third-party | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
ownership in the future if their most high-profile employee is seen | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
to be offering advice about how to bypass regulations. That is the | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
conundrum that the FA will have to souls to get through this emerging | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
crisis. Thank you very much for the moment, | :13:52. | :14:01. | |
Richard Conway. Much more to come. Chris Arnie Mel | :14:02. | :14:03. | |
says Sam Allardyce seems to have advised the fictitious businessmen | :14:04. | :14:05. | |
to avoid any potentially illegal activity. What can be wrong with | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
that? Sounds like a phishing expedition. Someone on Twitter says | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
Big Sam has to go. Kenny says that football and greed seem to go | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
together. Why are black men in the UK 17 times | :14:16. | :14:16. | |
more likely to suffer serious mental Stay with us for a report | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
by DJ Keith Dube. US pundits said this could be | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
the make or break moment in the race And yet after the tense | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
and often bitter exchanges of the Presidential Clinton-Trump | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
debate, many remain undecided The candidates scrapped angrily over | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
key policy areas such as defence and the economy, | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
but there were moments I will release my tax returns | :14:40. | :15:01. | |
against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
have been deleted. As soon as she releases them I will release my tax | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
returns and that's against my lawyers. They say don't do it. I | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
will tell you this, watching shows, reading the papers, almost every | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
lawyer says you don't release your returns until the audit is complete. | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
When the audit is complete I will do it. So it is negotiable? No, why did | :15:25. | :15:34. | |
she delete 33,000... There was an agreement, we did ask you to be | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
silent so it would be helpful for us, secretary Clinton? Well, I think | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
you have seen other example bait and switch here. For 40 years everyone | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
running for president has released their tax returns. You can go and | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
see nearly, I think, 39, 40 years of our tax returns, but everyone has | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
done it. We know the IRS made clear there is no prohibition on releasing | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
it when you are under audit. So you've got to ask yourself why won't | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
he release his tax returns? I think there maybe a couple of reasons. | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. | :16:10. | :16:19. | |
Maybe he is not as charitable. We don't know his dealings, but we have | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
been told through investigative reporting that he owes about $650 | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
million to Wall Street and foreign banks. Or maybe he doesn't want the | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he paid | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody has ever | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
seen were a couple of years when he to turn them over to State | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
authorities when he was trying to get a casino licence and they showed | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
he didn't pay any federal income tax. That makes me smart. If he paid | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
zero, that means zero for vets, zero for schools or health and I think | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
probably he's not all that enthusiastic about having the rest | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
of our country see what the real reasons are because it must be | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
something really important, even terrible, that he's trying to hide | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
and the financial disclosure statement, they don't give you the | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
tax rate, they don't give you all the details the tax returns would | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
and it just seem to say me that this is something that the American | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
people deserve to see and I have no reason to believe that he is ever | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
going to release his tax returns because there is' something he's | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
hiding and we'll keep guessing what it might be that he's hiding, but I | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
think the question is where he never to get near the White House, what | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
would be those conflicts? Who does he owe money to? Well, he owes you | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
the answers to that and he should provide them. He also raised the | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
issue of your e-mails, do you want to respond to that? I do. You know, | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
I made a mistake using a private e-mail. That's for sure. If had to | :18:01. | :18:08. | |
do it again, I would obviously do it differently, but I'm not going to | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
make any excuses, it was a mistake and I take responsibility for that. | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
Mr Trump? That was more than a mistake. That was done purposely. | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
OK, that was not a mistake. That was done purposely. When you have your | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
staff taking the Fifth amendment, taking the Fifth, so they're not | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
prosecuted, when you have the man that set-up the illegal server, | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
taking the Fifth, I think it is disgraceful and believe me, this | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
country thinks it's disgraceful also. As far as my tax returns, you | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
don't learn that much from tax returns, that I can tell you that. | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
You learn a lot from financial disclosure and you should go down | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
and take a look at that. I'm under leveraged. The report said 650 which | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
by the way a lot of friends of mine said, "That's not a lot of money. It | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
is not a lot of money." The buildings that were in question, | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
they said in the same report, which was actually, it wasn't even a bad | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
story to be honest with you, but the buildings are worth ?3.9 billion and | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
the 650 isn't even on that, but it is not 650, it is much less than | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
that. But I could give you a list of banks, if that would help you, I | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
would give you a list of banks, these are fine institutions, very | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
fine banks, I could do that very quickly. I'm under leveraged, I have | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
a great company. I have a tremendous income and the reason I say that is | :19:29. | :19:36. | |
not a brag docious way, it is about time this country had somebody | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
running it that has been idea about money. | :19:40. | :19:49. | |
It singled out black and Hispanic young men... No, you're wrong. It | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
went before a judge who was a very against police judge. It was taken | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
away from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
the case. They would have won an appeal. The argument is that it is a | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
form of racial profiling? No, the argument is that we have to take the | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
guns away from these people that have them and there are bad people | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
that shouldn't have them. These are people that are bad people that | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
shouldn't be, when you have 3,000 shootings in Chicago from January, | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
1st, when you have 4,000 people killed in Chicago by guns, from the | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
beginning of the presidency of Barack Obama, his hometown, you have | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
to have stop and frisk. You need more police. You need a better | :20:40. | :20:51. | |
community, you know, relations. In Chicago, it is terrible. I have | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
property there. You go to Ferguson, you go to so many different places, | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
you need better relationships, agree with secretary Clinton this, you | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
need better relationships between the communities and the police | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
because the people that are most affected by what is happening is | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
African-American and Hispanic people and it is very unfair to them, what | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
our politicians are allowing to happen. Secretary Clinton? Well, I | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
have heard Donald say this at his rallies. It is really unfortunate he | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
paints such a dire, negative picture of black communities in our country. | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
The vibrancy of the Black Church, the black businesses that employ so | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
many people, the opportunities that so many families are working to | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
provide for their kids, there is a lot that we should be proud of and | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
we should be supporting and lifting up. But we do always have to make | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
sure we keep people safe. There are the right ways of doing it and then | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
there are ways that are ineffective. Stop and frisk was found to be | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
unconstitutional and in part because it was ineffective. It did not do | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
what it needed to do and it is just a fact that if you're a young | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
African American man and you do the same thing as a young white man, you | :22:15. | :22:21. | |
are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated. | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
So we've got to address the systemic racism in our Criminal Justice | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
System. We cannot just say law and order, right now, we've got too many | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
military-style weapons on the streets. In a lot of places our | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
police are out gunned. We need come rehencive background checks and we | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
need to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm and we | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
finally need to pass a prohibition on anyone who is on the terrorist | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
watch list from being able to buy a gun in our country. If you're too | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to buy a gun. You look at | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
the inner cities and I just left Philadelphia and Detroit, I have | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
been all over the place. You decided to stay home and that's OK! But I | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
will tell you, I have been all over and I've met some of the greatest | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
people I'll ever meet within these communities and they are very, very | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
upset with what their politicians have told them and what their | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
politicians have done. I think that, I think Donald just criticised me | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
for preparing for this debate. And yes, I did. And you know what else I | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
prepared for, I prepared to be president and I think that's a good | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
thing. APPLAUSE Earlier this month you said | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
she doesn't have a presidential look. She is standing here right | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
now, what did you mean by that? She doesn't have the looks. She doesn't | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
have the stamina. I said she doesn't have the stamina and I don't believe | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
she does have the stamina. To be president of this country, you need | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
tremendous stamina. The quote was, "I don't think she has a | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
presidential look." Did you ask me a question? You have to be able to | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
negotiate our trade deals, you have to be able to negotiate, that's | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
right, with Japan, with Saudi Arabia, I mean can you imagine we're | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
defending Saudi Arabia and with all of the money they have, we're | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
defending them and they're not paying, all you have to do is speak | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
to them. You have so many different things you have to be able to do I | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
don't believe that Hillary has the stamina. Let's let her respond. | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and neglects a peace deal, | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
a ceasefire, a release of dissidents and opening of new opportunities in | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
nations around the world or even spends 11 hours testifying in front | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
of a Congressional committee he can talk to me about stamina. The | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
world... Let me tell you, let me tell you, Hillary has experience, | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
but it is bad experience. We have made so many bad deals during the | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
last, so she has got experience, that I agree, but it is bad, bad | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
experience. Whether it is the Iran deal that you're so in love with, | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
where we gave them ?150 billion, back whether it is the Iran deal, | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
whether it's anything, you almost can't name a good daesmt I agree, | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
she has got experience, but it is bad experience. And this country | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
can't afford to have another four years of that kind of experience. | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
Let's talk now to some American voters who watched | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
They're a married couple from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
Bob is very pro-Mr Trump and Quinn can't stand Mr Trump. | :25:46. | :25:47. | |
But she hasn't got much time for Hillary Clinton either. | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
And Qasim Rashid is in Washington DC and he's | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
Good morning. Quinn, what did you make of both candidates? | :25:54. | :26:04. | |
Well, I have to say I'm not pro Hillary. I'm just anti- Trump. I | :26:05. | :26:12. | |
this that he is the most unpresidential candidate we've ever | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
had. And last night he showed that when | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
he just constantly interrupted her during her two minutes answer | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
questions. I think he is dishonest and disrespectful. He doesn't have | :26:30. | :26:41. | |
enough talent and intelligence to stand on his own. Bob, what is it... | :26:42. | :26:50. | |
Go on. I just think, they say Hillary is so dishonest, but I think | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
he gets caught in a lot of lies himself when he won't release his | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
tax returns and he admitted that he doesn't pay federal tax and he said | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
to Hillary that makes him smart. Bob, what is it that appeals to you | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
about Mr Trump when he is a turn off for your wife? Well, I like to refer | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
to him as President Trump! He is the only person in this race who from | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
day one has said, "Let's make America great again." How did he do | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
in the debate? We are talking about the 90 minutes He was fantastic. He | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
basically was the only person talking about issues that mattered | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
to real Americans which are basically jobs, and our economy, and | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
keeping our families and children safe. OK. And how define a real | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
American? Is your wife a real American? | :27:46. | :27:54. | |
We're not sure! LAUGHTER | :27:55. | :27:56. | |
Kasim, how did Hillary Clinton do? You're a supporter of her's? Where | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
did she get it wrong and where did she get it right? There is going to | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
be no political candidate that you're going to support 100%. It | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
doesn't work that way. If you want to find a candidate that you agree | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
with completely then run for office yourself because it won't happen. | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
Clinton was articulate, intelligent and didn't take the bait when Trump | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
took cheap shots. She was interrupted three times as often as | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
she interrupted Trump, but she maintained her composure and gave | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
well thought out answers that were actually based on policy, not just | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
this empty rhetoric of we're going to make America great, whatever that | :28:39. | :28:47. | |
means and we are comments didn't have the constant overshadowing of | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
racism which you saw from Donald Trump and that's going to be | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
critical because the president is the President of all Americans, not | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
just white males as Mr Trump seems to think the presidential office is | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
supposed to be for. Well, Bob, do you think undecides, those people | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
that he does have to win over Mr Trump, if he is to win the race will | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
see that 90 minutes and it will help make up their minds? I really think | :29:13. | :29:20. | |
that the people that are undecided, probably are better off with Trump | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
than Hillary. I think, if Hillary were to get in there, it would be | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
four more years of a Republican House and Senate and Democratic | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
president and a whole lot of action wouldn't happen. I think if Donald | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
Trump got in there, for once we got somebody who would stand up to | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
Republicans and Democratic politicians and say, "Hey, guys, it | :29:44. | :29:51. | |
is time to get things done and stop hiding in the past and taking too | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
much time to get anything really accomplished in this country and it | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
is time to move forward and help America versus just talking and | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
getting nothing duvenlt" I think that's what Hillary was about, she | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
talked, but she didn't have any real ideas. Donald wants to build a wall. | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
He wants to keep illegals out of our countriment he wants to track what | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
the people in our country are doing, he wants to produce jobs for | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
Americans. Quinn, how do you respond to your | :30:25. | :30:25. | |
husband? I think he says all those things, | :30:26. | :30:34. | |
make America great again, but he never backs it up with any policy or | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
how he will do that. Because, eight you know... It is all empty | :30:39. | :30:48. | |
rhetoric, none of those things are actual policy proposals. Bob | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
admitted the ridiculous of structuralism of Congress, but under | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
the Obama administration the US economy has had the strongest growth | :30:59. | :31:06. | |
in US history, with job growth. And that is with an obstructive policy, | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
imagine working together under Clinton? It is taking zero job | :31:12. | :31:20. | |
growth... I am going to pause there, but I thank you very much for | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
getting up very early to speak to us. Bob and Quinn in Philadelphia, | :31:24. | :31:33. | |
and Qasim in Washington. Thank you for speaking to the British viewers. | :31:34. | :31:35. | |
You can see last night's Presidential debate in full | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
at 12.45pm this lunchtime on BBC Parliament. | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
We are waiting to hear from the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, in | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
Turkey. He has been visiting refugee camps. We are waiting for a press | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
conference to begin. He has met representatives of the Syrian | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
opposition as well, we will bring you that when it starts. | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
Thank you for your comments about Sir Terry Wogan. We spoke about him | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
earlier, 50 years to the day that he did his first BBC radio broadcast. | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
There is a service at Westminster Abbey this lunchtime, I think you | :32:09. | :32:19. | |
can hear that on Radio 2 at midday. Look on Twitter says, I think the | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
country finds it hard to believe that Terry Wogan is no longer with | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
us. Dawn says that a few years ago she suffered... Found morning is | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
very difficult because she suffered from anxiety. She put the radio one, | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
feeling brave as that was something she would never do. She says, I | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
recognised Sir Terry Wogan's voice, from then on he calmed me down, made | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
me laugh and made me feel normal. I am OK now, but he turned my morning | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
drive to joy. What a wonderful e-mail. David says, | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
what a sad loss, Sir Terry, you will always live on in the lips of the | :32:50. | :32:59. | |
living. Another text, I laughed my way to | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
work for many years, arriving able to smile so much through the day. | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
God bless, Terry. Still to come, married for the | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
family's money and then abandoned, Catrin Nye has been in India | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
speaking to whites left by British Asian husbands. -- speaking to the | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
wide left. And blogger and DJ Keith Dube talks | :33:18. | :33:28. | |
about her black men are more likely to end it with depression and mental | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
illness than white men. -- end up with depression. | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom. | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
The US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump | :33:39. | :33:40. | |
have locked horns in the first of three televised debates before | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
The pair clashed on economic policy with Mr Trump accusing his rival | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
of having no plan to boost jobs, while Mrs Clinton accused him | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
I will release my tax returns, against my lawyers' wishes, | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. | :34:03. | :34:09. | |
The Football Association is investigating claims in today's | :34:10. | :34:11. | |
Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce, | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players. | :34:14. | :34:20. | |
He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen. | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers, | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force. | :34:26. | :34:33. | |
The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
they've found items of slight interest - including fabric - | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
A Pakistani court has opened the trial of the ex-husband | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
of a British woman allegedly murdered in a so-called | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab. | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
Her relatives initially said she'd suffered a heart attack, | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
but a post-mortem examination confirmed she'd been | :35:19. | :35:20. | |
Chaudhry Muhammad Shakeel denies murder. | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
Samia's father, Chaudhry Muhammad Shahid, denies | :35:27. | :35:28. | |
That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC | :35:29. | :35:37. | |
Here's some sport now with Olly Foster. | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
Sir Dave Brailsford, the boss of Team Sky, | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
says that he may look at making their cyclists' | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
It follows the leak by Russian hackers revealing the details | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
of dozens of Therapeutic Use Exemption Certificates, | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
including three for Sir Bradley Wiggins, before major races | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
in which he gained permission to use what is normally | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
a performance-enhancing steroid to treat his asthma. | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
Brailsford says they didn't cheat and that there was a genuine | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
Burnley have moved up four places in the Premier League to 13th | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
after beating Watford 2-0 at home last night. | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
Jeff Hendrick and Michael Keane with the goals. | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
Two English teams are playing tonight. | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
Leicester will be looking to make it two wins out of two. | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
And with the start of the Ryder Cup just three days away, | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
Bubba Watson has been added to USA team as an assistant captain. | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
He missed out on a wild card pick to play in Minnessota. | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
They have five assistant captains now. | :36:43. | :36:49. | |
That is all yours bought this morning, Victoria. | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
Thank you. Matt on Twitter says the FA are to punish Sam Allardyce by | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
extending his England contract! This programme has been speaking | :36:56. | :36:57. | |
exclusively to women who've suffered It's when women are brought | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
from often India or Pakistan to the UK to marry British Asian men | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
and then abandoned back Many have suffered domestic abuse | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
and had money taken from them In a moment we'll be talking | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
to Sabah, who was an abandoned wife, but Catrin Nye has been | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
to India to investigate. So I have come to Punjab | :37:16. | :37:24. | |
in the north of India and I am here because this is a region | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
with strong family ties to the UK. That means this is a journey that | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
some British Asian men still make The phenomenon of the abandoned | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
bride happens when those wives are used for dowry, | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
money paid by the bride's family to their husband's, | :37:39. | :37:40. | |
abused and then dumped. Some are abandoned after coming | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
to the UK but most are taken back to India, often | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
on a pretend holiday. That is what happened to Sunita, | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
whose name I have changed. She met a British Indian | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
who went back to the UK What does it mean for | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
the woman left behind? For the woman abandoned, it means | :38:01. | :38:30. | |
the end of her status in society. Primarily because the assumption | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
is she has had sex and that stigma is massive and it | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
cannot be overcome. It has an impact on other | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
people in the family. So her sisters, for example, | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
will find it harder to get married. She will find it very | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
difficult to get a job. She faces day-to-day | :38:52. | :38:53. | |
financial insecurity. This report by Anitha and other | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
academics at Lincoln University is calling for action | :38:59. | :39:00. | |
from the British state Campaigner Pragna Patel worked | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
with them on the research. What needs to be | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
done to tackle this? Abandonment should be recognised | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
as an aspect of domestic violence because it involves emotional, | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
sexual, financial, physical, Once it is, then all the legal | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
avenues should be open to women, either to seek protection | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
or prosecution or other legal remedies that would be | :39:26. | :39:27. | |
available to abandoned women. Is it the British state's | :39:28. | :39:36. | |
responsibility when these women are from South Asia, | :39:37. | :39:38. | |
this is happening in South Asia? The perpetrators are | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
British nationals. If the British state turns a blind | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
eye or is indifferent to this, then it is contributing to that | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
culture of impunity. These men are not held | :39:49. | :39:50. | |
to account by anyone. I've been speaking to | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
Radhika Handa who works with the Southall Black Sisters | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
to help wives abandoned in their home countries and also Sabah - | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
who asked us not to use her suname. Sabah married a British man | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
and was left behind in Pakistan. I asked her if she had any | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
suspicions about her husband Everything was going fine, and their | :40:10. | :40:22. | |
behaviour was really nice. But I never, ever speak to my husband, | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
like, before my marriage. We don't know each other. It was just | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
arranged marriage. When did you realise that you had been abandoned? | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
I never, ever realised. They never showed me anything. But when was it | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
clear that your husband, who had left you and come back to Britain, | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
wasn't coming back? Actually, when I... When he took my baby from me. | :40:49. | :40:56. | |
That time I was at my parents' house, and he came to me and he | :40:57. | :41:04. | |
said, like, I need my child, some of my relatives need him. And he just | :41:05. | :41:13. | |
took him from me. After one hour, I called and said, OK, I'm coming in | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
awhile. But he didn't come. I tried to call him again and again and | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
again and by, like, three o'clock in the late nights, his phone was | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
switched off. I tried to call to my mother-in-law. He was with my | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
mother-in-law that time. Her phone was switched off. I was a little bit | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
worried. I was thinking that maybe the battery was down. But nobody, | :41:37. | :41:46. | |
like... Everyone's phones were switched off. I called to my | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
father-in-law in London, that time he was here. I asked for him, where | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
is my kid? Where are all the family members? You said, I don't know, | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
they must be in Pakistan. But after 12-macro hours I called immigration | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
at the airports, I told them I am looking for my baby. They told me | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
that these persons had left Pakistan. So not only had he | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
abandoned you but he had abducted your child? Adapted my child, and | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
took my travel documents as well. -- abducted my child. Well. Radhika, | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
you have worked with Sabah, you have brought her to the UK and reunited | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
her with her child. That does not always happen, does it? That is | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
right. Southall Black Sisters were able to help Sabah and help her come | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
back into the country. In a sense, although Sabah's situation is | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
entirely tragic, she is lucky in the sense that many women are still | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
stranded in countries like India and Pakistan, unaware of their rights, | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
often separated from children and unable to access justice. How | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
serious are the consequences for the abandoned wife? Enormous. In many | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
communities there is a great stigma attached to being abandoned, | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
separated or divorced, even against the will of the woman. She is often | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
treated like an outcast, some people think are separated woman is a bad | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
omen so they are ostracised from society, left destitute, traumatised | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
and stripped of their rights. Why are British Asian men doing this? | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
Some of the research from the University draws parallel between | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
the number of women who have suffered diarrhoea abuse, which | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
Sabah suffered. Dowry abuse, it is a very old custom, not just limited to | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
South Asia, but it typically involves the family of the bride | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
giving gifts, sometimes cash, gold, sometimes land, to the bride's | :43:55. | :44:02. | |
family. To the groom's family. Forgive me, to the groom's family. | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
Historically that is because women had very few inheritance rights, so | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
it was in place of those. But what seems to be happening in a lot of | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
cases is that these abandonment cases are a way of the groom's | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
family extract in many macro and gifts from the family of the bride. | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
Abandonment does not happen out of context, it happens in the context | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
of domestic violence. Sabah was treated very badly by her in-laws | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
and husband, treated at times like a servant. Even when she was pregnant | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
she was treated very badly. Sadly, these families are essentially | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
discard women, they trick them into going to their home countries and | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
leave them there. Sabah realised very quickly what had happened to | :44:49. | :44:58. | |
her, but some women rely on reassurances from their in-laws and | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
their husbands that say, we will come back and get you. Southall | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
Black Sisters has a proposal to bring abandonment under the umbrella | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
of domestic abuse legislation in this country. Why would that stop | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
men from doing this? A number of reasons. Abandonment has all the | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
features of domestic violence, emotional abuse, financial abuse, | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
controlling and coercive behaviour. One thing that recognising it as | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
domestic violence would do is send a very powerful symbolic message that | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
there is growing awareness of this issue and there will not be impunity | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
for the perpetrators. The other massive difference it would make two | :45:34. | :45:41. | |
women in the position of Sabah is that state agencies like courts, | :45:42. | :45:43. | |
immigration authorities and international authorities would have | :45:44. | :45:46. | |
to protect them, as they protect other domestic violence survivors. | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
The courts would need to afford them the same protection and rights. If | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
your marriage breaks down in this country as a result of domestic | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
violence and you have insecure immigration status, you may be | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
entitled to apply for indefinitely to remain. So it would afford women | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
protection of immigration position. Because what typically happens is | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
that women whose spousal visas are about to expire, that is when they | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
are abandoned. Despite calculated. Once they are abandoned, their | :46:17. | :46:25. | |
status in this country disappears, it is enormously difficult for them | :46:26. | :46:27. | |
to come back. Thank you both for talking to us. | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
Logging on and logging in - anyone who users the BBC's iPlayer | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
will have to get a personal account from early next year. | :46:36. | :46:37. | |
We'll be looking at how it will work. | :46:38. | :46:39. | |
If you're a black man in Britain you're 17 times more likely | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
to suffer from serious mental health condition than if you're white. | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
It's a startling statistic and it led blogger and radio DJ Keith Dube | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
to make a film for the BBC to investigate why. | :46:49. | :46:50. | |
His film Being Black, Going Crazy goes live | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
I'm Keith Dube also known as Mr Exposed. I'm a blogger and I host a | :46:53. | :47:05. | |
breakfast show on one of London's newest radio stations. Please call | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
in today. We want to hear your experiences. Behind the microphone I | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
used to have a big secret. I was diagnosed with depression a few | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
years ago. It was the hollow feeling of worthlessness. And there is times | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
when you're supposed to be happy and you can't feel happy. That's when I | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
realised that something is really wrong here. It was a horrible | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
experience. It was very confusing because black people don't do | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
menltal illness, it is not something you grow up hearing a lot about. Why | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
did I get depressed? When I was younger I was obsessed with money | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
and status and I broke the rules to get it. Over time, that lifestyle | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
impacted more and more on my state of mind. | :47:45. | :47:52. | |
I think my lowest point was when I was continually waking up thinking, | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
"I don't want to live anymore." For over two years, I didn't utter a | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
single word about my depression to anyone, I was too ashame but then I | :48:02. | :48:09. | |
decided to out myself. I wrote a blog and closed my laptop and went | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
to sleep and then I woke up and I had a crazy amount of messages from | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
people. And I realised there were people going through the things that | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
was. After that response, I started to look into black mental health and | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
what I found shocking. I was 17 times more likely to be diagnosed | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
with a serious mental health issue. That's scary and I'm six times more | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
likely than a white man to be an inpatient or sectioned to a mental | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
health hospital. Want to find out what's going on. I want to find out | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
why black people are more likely to end up with a mental illness, what's | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
the cause and what can we do about it? What can we did to stop it np | :48:50. | :48:59. | |
it? Even though I struggled with my depression for years, I was lucky | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
that I never had to be admitted to into a mental health unit. But every | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
year, thousands of black people do end up here, and many of them are | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
detained against their will under the Mental Health Act. | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
I want to find out why and how this is happening. What kind of | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
conditions do those people come in here with? Schizophrenia, | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
depression, anxiety, psychotic depression. How does your assessment | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
process work? We have two assessment rooms. It is just soft chairs, the | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
patient normally stays here with their relatives, with the police and | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
sometimes we need the police to stay, we need to search the patient | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
and we need to search their bag if case they have any sharps, we don't | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
want them to harm themselves. A lot of black patients feel like they are | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
treated dimply from their white counterparts. Is there any truth to | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
that? It happens, but I wouldn't say on the whole that's what the staff | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
do. As a black woman, would you be worried about coming through the | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
mental health system? Maybe if I didn't have any knowledge of mental | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
health I probably would be worried. I would be worried about going | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
anywhere because I have so many things, being a black woman. To find | :50:24. | :50:30. | |
out just how it feels to be sectioned, I'm meeting Kameta. She | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
has been in and out of hospital since 2010 and suffers from bipolar | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
disorder, a condition where your moods can swing interest one extreme | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
to another. How did you find yourself here? My first admission | :50:44. | :50:51. | |
was in 2010 at the birth of my son. So after I gave birth it was quite a | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
difficult birth, I lost two litres of blood and I went home and tried | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
to relax, but I wasn't fully recovered. So my mum thought | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
something was wrong. I then went to a GP and when I was at the GP | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
apparently they, no one from the early intervention team was | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
available so they called the police. So five policemen came into the GP | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
and held me down. Physically held me down to the floor because no woman | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
in their right mind is going to give up their six-month-old. Wow, how did | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
that make you feel at the time? Words cannot describe the pain, | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
yeah. Even now I have a lot of pain. What's your experience been like | :51:31. | :51:33. | |
since then? How many times have you been in hospital? About three to | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
four times I have been to hospital. I felt it is like taken a chunk of | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
my life away and it just made me so frustrated at times, yeah. I try to | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
do too much and if I do too much then I can become unwell again and | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
then be back in hospital, you know, because with me I get manic | :51:53. | :51:56. | |
episodes. I don't get depressed, I just get manic. It is not easy, but | :51:57. | :52:02. | |
thank you very much. Thank you. My heart goes out to Kameta for what | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
she has been through, but I have no idea if she would be treated any | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
differently if she was white. How normal is experience is this for | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
black people getting sectioned? Twice a week I host a show on | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
internet radio and I want to ask my listeners what they think. We will | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
be talking about plaque mental health because I think it is | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
something that's very, very, very slept on. We have got an amazing | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
guest on the Show today. He is a sky doll gist, I will be spaking to him | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
and seeing what he has seen in his 25 years in the mental health | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
industry. Good morning. Tell us about you and what you do. At the | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
moment I manage mental health services. We look after around 450 | :52:43. | :52:49. | |
people with severe mental illness. We have got a caller on the line. | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
I'm actually a carer for my mum. My mum has been sectioned quite a few | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
times, but it has always been something where the sectioning has, | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
well in my opinion been very unreasonable. Were you given support | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
to understand what was going on for your mum? Not really. The way the | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
sectioning works, for example if someone reports someone, they will | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
section first and they will explain later. That's not how the Act is | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
supposed to work. We must work with families. You are the people who are | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
closest, you are the people who have the most information. I would | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
encourage you to not accept that, demand that the family are more | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
involved. That's not something that's easy to talk about so we're | :53:28. | :53:34. | |
grateful for your input. We are 17 times more likely to be dmougsed | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
with a serious, you know, mental condition. When I look at the | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
picture across Britain, it is pretty bad. You are more likely to be | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia, you are more less | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
likely to get any talking treatment. You're much more likely to be held | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
under compulsion of the Mental Health Act. You're going to be | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
sectioned. You're going to be locked up and you'll get higher doses of | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
medication, it is pretty rough. Why is it that black people are | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
diagnosed? Why are we put in that box? Black people when they go for | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
help are generally seen as more dangerous so they are more likely to | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
get a more severe diagnosis. It is shocking to hear someone who | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
works in mental health say we're seen as more dangerous and it goes a | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
long way to explaining the stats. And you can see the whole | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
of that 30 minute film from 10am this morning, | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
online, on BBC3. From today, seven million of us | :54:31. | :54:33. | |
who've registered to use BBC services such as the iPlayer will be | :54:34. | :54:35. | |
asked for our postcode. Why? What are these reforms about? | :54:36. | :54:44. | |
Well, I suppose it is a TV licence for a digital age. Gone are the days | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
of the family crowding together around a small TV on a Sunday | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
evening watching variety shows. These days people want to watch, | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
especially the younger generation, what they want, when they want on an | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
increasing range of devices. The problem for the BBC has been the | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
iplayer loophole, anyone watching us live would have to pay, if you watch | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
us on catch-up, you wouldn't have to pay necessarily the licence fee. | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
That's changed. Since the start of this month, you do have to have a TV | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
licence to watch at any time on iplayer. This is the start of a long | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
process of enforce that. Users of BBC services can already have an ID, | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
BBC ID, it is just an e-mail and a was pord, but that's going to change | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
to a postcode will be required as well. And from 2017 all this will be | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
mandatory. It has been voluntary and it will be mandatory. So will the | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
information be passed to TV Licensing? The Corporation says the | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
rules are working. 130,000 prosecutions a year. You could be | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
fined up to ?1,000 and you could face jail if you refuse to pay up. | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
So far, seven million of us have signed up for the licences. So the | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
carrot approach at the moment is working, but don't rule out the | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
stick being wielded at some point. They say they will be handing this | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
information to TV Licensing and it could be used for enforcement. | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
Is this also a way then for the BBC to get more information, to gather | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
more information about its audience? Absolutely. It wants to personalise | :56:13. | :56:18. | |
content. Lord Hall said it today by learning what you want and what you | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
like, we can take you to more of the great programmes you love. This | :56:22. | :56:24. | |
happens in our daily lives anyway, when you are on social media and | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
reading an article online, things pop up at you, so things will be | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
working like this, you like there, you might like that, but behind this | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
is money. The BBC, is under huge pressure, financially they will have | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
to start funding the licence fees for over # 5s, that will cost ?650 | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
million, they need it make money. This is about personalising the BBC, | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
but making sure you do pay for it. Thank you very much, Mar drrks, | :56:49. | :56:50. | |
thank you. Boris Johnson is in Turkey. He hopes | :56:51. | :57:03. | |
for a new trade deal. We would have brought you his press conference | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
live, but there wasn't an English translation. Boris Johnson saying he | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
hopes there will be a new jumbo free trade deal between Britain and | :57:12. | :57:13. | |
Turkey. Thank you for your messages. On Sam | :57:14. | :57:27. | |
Allardyce Ian says, "These football managers are paid a fortune. If the | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
allegations are true, it would be sheer greed." This texter who | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
doesn't leave their name says, "Here we go again, our press destroying | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
the England manager. We don't need our country's scouts to spy on our | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
football team, our press will do it for them." So it is OK for people to | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
pose as businessman in an attempt to set him up, that's disgusting." On | :57:51. | :57:57. | |
Sir Terry Wogan, the service begins at Westminster Abbey to remember his | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
life. Daniel says, "Best ever BBC presenter. He was dry, he was wit yu | :58:02. | :58:10. | |
and self dep pravating. God bless the TOGs, I bet he's loving the | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
after life party." Thank you very much for those. | :58:14. | :58:20. | |
Tomorrow we have a report on the gaming industry about women seeking | :58:21. | :58:28. | |
to earn a living in live gaming. Behind the genteel facades | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
of Victorian London's streets, | :58:33. | :58:36. |