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Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump clash in one of the most watched

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The 90 minute showdown covered the economy,

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race and national security and saw personal attacks on both sides

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I will release my tax returns against, my lawyers' wishes,

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when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.

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He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

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who has called women, pigs, slobs and dogs.

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As an early poll suggests Hillary Clinton came out best,

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we'll get the views of some Americans who watched it alongside

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The Daily Telegraph alleges that the England manager,

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Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around

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the Football Association's rules on player transfers.

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We'll bring you some of the secret recordings.

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The British Asian men who marry for money then abandon their wives.

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Men do this because it's so easy to get away with it. Not in a single

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case that I am counted was there any comeback for the men. -- that I

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encountered. And on the 50th anniversary of his

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first radio broadcast for the BBC, Sir Terry Wogan is remembered

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at Westminster Abbey. We'll speak to some

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of his biggest fans. Welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11 this morning. Later, in a highly personal film,

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one DJ asks why black men in Britain are 17 times more likely to suffer

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from serious mental health problems than white men. Absolutely alarming

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statistic, we will bring you that later. If you're getting a judge,

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, if you text you will be charged up a

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standard network rate. -- if you're getting in touch.

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More than 90 million people were glued to their TVs last night

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for the most watched political debate in history.

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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump clashed over their policies

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and character as they went head to head for the first time

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The Democratic candidate accused her Republican

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rival of hiding something because of his failure

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Mr Trump dismissed Mrs Clinton's record in office

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There were also sharp exchanges over each other's fitness for office.

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Our North America correspondent, Nick Bryant, was watching.

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America's never seen a reality show like this.

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A former first lady head-to-head with a Manhattan property tycoon

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in a televised debate that blurred the lines

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This is the first time they've shared the stage

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and despite the faux niceties, it quickly became fight night.

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They clashed over trade deals like NAFTA.

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Your husband signed NAFTA, which was one of the worst

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things that ever happened to the manufacturing industry.

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Well, I know you live in your own reality,

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She attacked a billionaire for failing to release his tax returns.

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He counter-punched by bringing up her use of a private e-mail

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I will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes

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when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.

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As soon as she releases them, I will release,

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I made a mistake using a private e-mail.

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And if I had to do over again I would obviously it differently,

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but I'm not going to make any excuses.

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It was a mistake and I take responsibility for that.

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One of the angriest clashes came over Donald Trump's repeated claims

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over the years that Barack Obama was not American.

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I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate

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Mr Trump questioned whether she had the temperament to be Commander

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in Chief, having apparently seen her offstage

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The other day, behind the blue screen, I don't know

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who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton,

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I said, there's a person with a temperament

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He also said that his female opponent did not have

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I don't believe that Hillary has the stamina.

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Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates

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a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents,

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an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world,

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or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional

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committee, he can talk to me about stamina.

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Hillary Clinton looked and sounded like the more conventional

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presidential candidate, something Donald Trump tried

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This was 90 minutes of vintage Trump that would've delighted his core

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supporters, but his task tonight was also to reach out to undecided

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voters, still unsure about whether he passes a basic

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Laura Bicker is our correspondent in Washington.

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What is the verdict, Laura, who do people think won? I don't think

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there was a killer, knockout blow, but I think if you were looking to

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see who edged it, who is ahead in the polls, when it comes to this

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debate, it is Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump managed to compose

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himself a 30 minutes, he stuck to his strip, he managed to land a few

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blows when it came to trade deals, for example, one Hillary Clinton

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said one thing and now says another -- managed to stick to his script.

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The buttons are forward as an antiestablishment candidate. But

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then his train went off the track. He started with the insults, he kept

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interrupting, his voice got louder, he got more erratic and went off

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script. Hillary Clinton remained composed throughout, made jokes

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about his temperament, whether or not he was fit to be president, and

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put that question in the minds of voters. When it came to the last dig

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about whether or not she had the stamina, after 90 or so minutes

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debating, she was the one that looked fresh as a daisy, he looked

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like he needed to go home. Thank you very much, Laura.

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Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

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Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

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offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

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Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

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In the undercover footage, Sam Allardyce discusses so-called

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third-party ownership, where an investment company takes

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It is a practice banned by the Football Association

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in England and by the international football organisation, FIFA.

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You have not seen this one before, have you?

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The man known as Big Sam was announced as the new

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The Telegraph says any agreement between Sam Allardyce and the sports

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management company would have had the potential to create

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According to the paper, Mr Allardyce repeatedly said

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that he would have to clear the deal with his employer,

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In another section, one of Mr Allardyce's own colleagues

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talks about paying colleagues and managers to help

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The Telegraph says it has been investigating alleged irregularities

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in British football for ten months, and there are many more

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Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

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The Telegraph says it has been investigating alleged irregularities

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Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

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The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents

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The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party

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conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right

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Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

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they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

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A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

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Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

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There are some other items of slight interest which were found yesterday,

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the odd piece of fabric. That is being analysed and look that.

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That'll take a little bit of time to do. But slight interest is the point

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in relation to that at the moment. Every single light that we have

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found, those of you here yesterday saw the fingertip search taking

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place, everything is being carefully looked at and we are working through

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the same again today. You may see that we are not working in a line,

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grid by grid, adjacent to each other. As I said yesterday, that is

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based on the fact that I have a targeted approach to specific areas

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of interest based on the information we have managed to gather over the

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past 18 months. From today, the seven million people

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who have registered for a BBC online account will be asked

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to supply their postcode. At the moment, only a username,

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email address, password and - for those wishing to comment on news

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stories - a date of The BBC says knowing users'

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postcodes will help it offer A second, bigger change will come

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in next year, when all users of the iPlayer service

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will need to sign in. A new report has called for the

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practice of some British Asian men marrying women and then leaving them

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shortly after getting married in South Asia to be treated as domestic

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violence. It has been discovered they have been taking thousands of

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pounds from their new wife's family and using the women as domestic

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slaves for their in-laws. Astronomers have found more evidence

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that Jupiter's icy moon, Europa, The latest observation - uncovered

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by the Hubble space telescope - raises the prospect of samples

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from the water being Scientists say there may be

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microorganisms in Europa's vast ocean, which is

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covered with thick ice. That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9:30am. I asked on Twitter if you thought

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Sam Allardyce could survive in his job as England manager after just

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one game in charge because of allegations made by the Telegraph.

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One viewer says no, he can't, he has totally belittled his credibility,

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he is toast. Gibson says, he probably can because he is still in

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the honeymoon period. Andrew said, I don't understand what he did wrong.

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The reporter asked if these things went on and he said that they do, he

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did not endorse them in any way. We will talk to our sports news

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correspondent at just after 9:30am. Get in touch with us, use the

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hashtag #VictoriaLive. If you text, you will be charged a standard

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networked rake. -- network rate. Sir Dave Brailsford,

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the boss of Team Sky has been explaining why Sir Bradley Wiggins

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was given permission to take a banned substance before big races

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and why they weren't cheating. Two Knights of the Garter, Sir

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Bradley and Sir Dave, over the past few days they have been caught on

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the back foot somewhat. -- Knights of the realm. A Russian hacking

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group has hacked into the World Anti-Doping Agency computers and

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pulled out the exemption certificates, all the actors...

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Athletes who have been using. That is athlete who, when they are run

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well, need to use what is usually a banned substance for a genuine

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medical need. Sir Bradley Wiggins used three in 2011, 2012 and 2013,

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particularly before major races in 2012, when he won the Tour de

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France. He used something which is a very powerful anti-inflammatory

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steroid, he used it to treat an ongoing asthma condition but, of

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course, there is a slight grey area because many critics feel that these

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are open to abuse, that doctors will just prescribe them to give athletes

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the edge. Team Sky, Sir Dave Brailsford, said this was not the

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case. He has no not Sir Bradley Wiggins has always suffered from

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asthma and they are very, very comfortable with the protocols of

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getting one of these certificates. It is not one of their own doctors

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prescribing them, they had to get individual independent medical

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advice to actually get one. It is all about image, he says that, going

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forward, perhaps they had to be a lot more transparent about exactly

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what that athletes are taking. The issue we are getting, with all

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of this situation, on the one hand transparency and sharing ins --

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information would be an ideal place for us to get to, something we are

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definitely looking at and something that we're heading to. We will do

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that should any TUE be made public in the future. We will change our

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forward-looking policy to be absolutely transparent.

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Team Sky was set up all those years ago with a zero-tolerance

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anti-doping charter. But they do say that, yes, they can't stop people

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thinking... But they are clear that they did not cheat. Olly Foster is

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back with the sports headlines at 9:30pm. -- 9:30am.

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It was always going to get personal, given the toxic nature

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Last night's US presidential debate saw bitter exchanges

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between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as each battled

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He was on the back foot over tax and race.

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She was accused of deceiving the American public.

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And the candidates scrapped angrily over key policy areas such

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Here are some of the key moments from the debate which was watched,

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it's thought, by around 90 million people

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Why won't he release his tax returns?

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And I think there are maybe a couple of reasons.

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First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is.

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Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be.

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Third, we don't know all of his business dealings,

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but we have been told through investigative reporting

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that he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks.

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Or maybe he doesn't want the American people,

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all of you watching tonight, to know he's paid nothing in federal

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taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple

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of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities

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when he was trying to get a casino licence and they showed he didn't

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So if he paid zero, that means zero for troops, zero for vets,

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zero for schools or health, and I think probably he's not

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all that enthusiastic about having the rest of our country see

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what the real reasons are because it must be

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something really important, even terrible that he

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I will release them as soon as the audit.

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Look, I've been under audit almost for 15 years.

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I know a lot of wealthy people that have never been audited.

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I get audited almost every year and in a way, I should

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I get audited by the IRS, but other people don't.

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We have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of.

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I will release my tax returns against my lawyers wishes

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when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.

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As soon as she releases them, I will release,

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I will release my tax returns, and that's against my lawyers,

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Watching shows, reading the papers, almost every lawyer says you don't

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release your returns until the audit is complete.

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When the audit's complete I will do it, but I will go against them

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I made a mistake using a private e-mail.

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And if I had to do it over again I would obviously do it differently,

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but I'm not going to make any excuses.

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It was a mistake and I take responsibility for that.

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OK, that was not a mistake that was done purposely.

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When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment,

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taking the Fifth, so they're not prosecuted.

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When you have the man that set-up the illegal service taking

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the Fifth, I think it's disgraceful, and believe me, country thinks it's,

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Remember, Donald started his career back in 1973 being sued

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by the Justice Department for racial discrimination because he would not

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rent apartments in one of his developments to African-Americans

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and he made sure that the people who worked for him understood

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He actually was sued twice by the Justice Department,

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so he has a long record of engaging in racist behaviour and be both

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You know, Barack Obama is a man with great dignity and I could tell

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how much it bothered him and annoyed him that this

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was being touted and used against him, but I like to remember

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what Michelle Obama said in her amazing speech

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at our Democratic National Convention.

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"When they go low, we go higher", and Barack Obama went high,

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despite Donald Trump's best efforts to bring him down.

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Mr Trump, you can respond the men were going to move on.

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First of all, I got to watch in preparing for this some

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of your debates against Barack Obama.

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You treated him with terrible disrespect and I watched the way

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you talk now about how lovely everything is and how

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You even sent out, or your campaign sent out pictures of

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Very famous pictures, I do think you can deny that.

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But just last week your campaign manager said it was true,

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so when you try to act holier than thou, it

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Now as far as the lawsuit, yes, when I was very young I went

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He had a real state company in Brooklyn and Queens and we,

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along with many, many other companies throughout the country,

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We settled the suit with zero, no admission of guilt.

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You go to New England, you go to Ohio, Pennsylvania,

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you go anywhere you want, Secretary Clinton, and you will see

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devastation where manufacturing is down 30%, 40%, sometimes 50%.

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NAFTA is the worst trade deal may be ever side anywhere,

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but certainly ever signed in this country and now you want to approve

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You were totally in favour of it, then you heard what I was saying,

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how bad it is and you said, I can't win that debate,

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but you know that if you didn't win, you would approve that and that

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Well, we need to have smart, fair trade deals.

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We also both need to have a tax system that rewards work and not

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just financial transactions and the kind of plan that Donald has

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put forward would be trickle-down economics all over again.

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In fact, it would be the most extreme version.

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The biggest tax cuts for the top percent of the people in this

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I call it trumped up trickle-down because that's exactly

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She doesn't have the looks, she doesn't have the stamina.

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I said she doesn't have the stamina and I don't believe

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To be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina.

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Wait a minute, she asked me a question.

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You have to be able to negotiate our trade deals.

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You have to be able to negotiate, that's right,

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Can you imagine, we're defending Saudi Arabia and with all

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of the money they have, where it defending them

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You have so many different things you have to be able to do and I do

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believe that Hillary has the stamina.

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He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

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who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs and someone

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who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers.

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He has said women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good

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And one of the worst things he said was about a woman

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Supporting them and hanging around them.

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Then he called her Miss Housekeeping because she was Latina.

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Her name Alicia Machado and she has become a US citizen and you can bet

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she's going to vote this November.

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We can speak now to five Americans living in the UK who stayed up

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to watch the debate, Kristal Paramor and Ashley Florestal

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They want Hillary Clinton to win the presidential race.

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And Alex Sundstrom and his wife Malise.

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They are both Republicans and want Donald Trump to win.

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And Greg Barron who isn't keen on either of the two

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I'm going to ask you to be fair to the candidate you don't support.

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What did you think of the debate? I thought it was, it to be fair, I

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thought it was very much what we have seen so far of both of the

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candidates. A lot of winging it on Trump's behalf and then Hillary

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Clinton preparing as well as being knocked down for preparing for it. I

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don't think, I think it has been that the entire time and nothing has

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changed really. Did you learn anything new? No. Who won? Who won?

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I think Clinton won, but by very little. And that's a Donald Trump

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supporter saying that. I don't think it will matter. I don't think we

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have seen anything new and so I don't think it will hurt Trump. I

:24:28.:24:34.

think the strength, one of Clinton's strengths, she is lawyer, when she

:24:35.:24:39.

was preparing, Donald Trump was out on the campaign trail, boosting his

:24:40.:24:42.

results in swing States so he got a good return on that. So he has been

:24:43.:24:49.

away from the debate prep. I cringed a lot of the times. He a lot of

:24:50.:24:55.

challenges from the way the questions were framed. A lot of

:24:56.:25:01.

questions on the Bertha point, areas they probed him maybe unfairly, but

:25:02.:25:05.

against that he got rattled towards the end. The Bertha point, just to

:25:06.:25:14.

explain to our audience, for five years Donald Trump questioned

:25:15.:25:16.

whether President Obama was born in the United States and then a couple

:25:17.:25:20.

of weeks ago changed his mind and accepted that he was. Is that going

:25:21.:25:24.

to go, do you think or not? He wasn't able to answer why he changed

:25:25.:25:29.

his mind? He accepted the reality. Clinton doesn't have clean hands.

:25:30.:25:35.

Throughout 2008 her sur owe gates, she was the creator of this issue.

:25:36.:25:42.

There is disputes who said, she said, we're getting a lot of

:25:43.:25:47.

hearsay, Trump ran with it and dropped it. I don't think it is the

:25:48.:25:52.

kind of issue, it is not that important in the grand scheme of

:25:53.:25:56.

things especially given how both of them seem to have been involved.

:25:57.:26:00.

What did you think about the point that Donald Trump should release his

:26:01.:26:04.

tax returns and him saying, "Well, I will, when you release the deleted

:26:05.:26:08.

thousands of e-mails?" Well, I think it is kind of a point that's beaten

:26:09.:26:13.

to death. I think there is a standard for presidential

:26:14.:26:16.

candidates. Every presidential candidate since the 80s has released

:26:17.:26:21.

their tax returns, I find it ironic that Mr Trump is talking about Mrs

:26:22.:26:28.

Clinton's transparency and what secretary Clinton is not releasing

:26:29.:26:33.

when he is not releasing a base part of, a basic part of running for

:26:34.:26:37.

president. I think it is even more ironic that his point that he is

:26:38.:26:42.

such a businessman, that's why he is qualified for the job, yet he

:26:43.:26:45.

doesn't want to release information on how successful his businesses

:26:46.:26:48.

are. Do you think this is going to become more of an issue that his tax

:26:49.:26:58.

returns aren't out there yet? I think the discussion will continue.

:26:59.:27:02.

I think the e-mails are a bigger issue... Of course you do because

:27:03.:27:08.

you are a Donald Trump supporter. I'm actually undecided. But I'm a

:27:09.:27:14.

Republican. But not that undecided? I don't know, I want to have time to

:27:15.:27:18.

go through it, but I think the e-mails are a bigger deal. This is a

:27:19.:27:23.

very basic part of running for president. The e-mails are more

:27:24.:27:32.

disqualifying, she handled potentially classified information.

:27:33.:27:35.

But they have been deleted. The prospects of them being published is

:27:36.:27:39.

zero which means Mr Trump doesn't have to publish his tax returns

:27:40.:27:42.

according to what he said last night? We will see what happens if

:27:43.:27:47.

the tax returns. I think that was more a part of the debate but I

:27:48.:27:50.

think he wanted to bring up the point there are these e-mails. Greg,

:27:51.:27:54.

not keen on either of the main candidates, what did you make of the

:27:55.:28:01.

debate? Well, I think both candidates talked nonsense. Clinton,

:28:02.:28:09.

it is much more detailed nonsense. Is that more offensive to you, would

:28:10.:28:13.

you rather have vague nonsense or detailed nonsense? Trump, when he

:28:14.:28:19.

can't think of what to say, he falls back on the generalalities and

:28:20.:28:23.

talking about his poll numbers or admirals and generals who are

:28:24.:28:30.

supporting him. Clinton was clearly far more prepared particularly in

:28:31.:28:35.

the end of the debate, you could see that things were fraying for Trump.

:28:36.:28:41.

I think Clinton won the debate in the sense that she smiled and she

:28:42.:28:49.

didn't look, she looked almost human which is unusual for her! She looked

:28:50.:28:57.

almost human. Gosh. And she, if you hadn't been a lot of Americans begin

:28:58.:29:01.

to pay attention to the election around this time and if you hadn't

:29:02.:29:05.

been paying attention for a year, the last year, to the e-mail scandal

:29:06.:29:11.

which is truly scandalous that this person might end up being president,

:29:12.:29:15.

but if you hadn't been paying attention and this was the first you

:29:16.:29:20.

were looking at the election, you might think, Clinton looks credible.

:29:21.:29:27.

So in that sense I think Clinton probably won, but she has to sway

:29:28.:29:34.

people like us. I mean I'm undecided as well and no, I know too much

:29:35.:29:38.

about her. I'm not voting for Clinton. The question for me is -

:29:39.:29:43.

can I bring myself to vote for Trump? I mean... Other candidates

:29:44.:29:49.

are available. Yes, yes, but you vote, I would vote for Johnson or

:29:50.:29:51.

Trump, but... Looking at the debate, Clinton is so

:29:52.:30:03.

about the past. I look at her rant I see nothing but the past. She is

:30:04.:30:07.

very well prepared, going back to her record and all of that, but I

:30:08.:30:12.

don't associate with the future. In my head, it is so stuck in the past.

:30:13.:30:17.

It is very easy to just go there, that we have had the Clinton

:30:18.:30:22.

administration before, do we really want another one? Everything has

:30:23.:30:25.

entirely changed since that administration. What a small,

:30:26.:30:33.

like... I just... I honestly don't really... I can't... I don't know

:30:34.:30:40.

what to say. What I find infuriating is that they hold her accountable

:30:41.:30:46.

for things that are husbanded. When you had Bush Junior running, it

:30:47.:30:50.

would have been ludicrous for him to be held accountable for things that

:30:51.:30:54.

his father was doing. Why is she, who was not in a position of power

:30:55.:30:59.

at that time, she was First Lady, she was more of a ceremonial role,

:31:00.:31:04.

why is she being held accountable? That is politics, if you want the

:31:05.:31:10.

top job, it is how it is. Meanwhile, she uses her husband as an example

:31:11.:31:14.

of a time when the country was prosperous. That is fact. She can't

:31:15.:31:26.

have it both ways. I think that her record, since the Clinton

:31:27.:31:29.

administration left the office, there is a lot of stuff that people

:31:30.:31:35.

focus on, her own sins. The Clinton foundation money, hundreds of

:31:36.:31:38.

millions of dollars for speeches, I don't think you need to Yoko to Bill

:31:39.:31:42.

Clinton. There are tremendous amounts of Clinton scandals, but I

:31:43.:31:48.

don't see a lot of people blaming her for Clinton's scandals, I think

:31:49.:31:53.

it stands on her own. You may or may not be interested in these messages

:31:54.:31:56.

from British viewers. Actually, I had assumed they are British. Paul

:31:57.:32:01.

says there were no knockout punches but a clear win for cool-headed

:32:02.:32:07.

Hillary, wrote one to the lady. Matt says neck and neck, but they said

:32:08.:32:10.

Trump never had a chance, just like they said we would not vote out of

:32:11.:32:17.

the EU. Rachel said his lack of preparation was obvious, Clinton was

:32:18.:32:20.

much more prepared. Derek said I think it is that the USA can only

:32:21.:32:24.

find these two to choose from. Dan on Facebook said neither was very

:32:25.:32:28.

presidential. Two debates to go, thank you for

:32:29.:32:29.

coming on. You can see a full hour

:32:30.:32:31.

of highlights of the Presidential debate at 11am this morning and 8pm

:32:32.:32:33.

tonight on the BBC News Channel. And if you want to see it in full,

:32:34.:32:37.

you can watch it at 12.45 this An exclusive film on the women

:32:38.:32:46.

abandoned in South Asia by their British husbands.

:32:47.:32:50.

Welcome to the millions if you watching, to the performers from 25

:32:51.:32:54.

countries waiting nervously backstage. Andrew Marr brings Sir

:32:55.:32:59.

Terry, we will look at the life and career of the much loved star as it

:33:00.:33:07.

approaches the 50th anniversary of his first BBC radio broadcast -- and

:33:08.:33:11.

remembering Sir Terry Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:33:12.:33:13.

with a summary of today's news. The US presidential candidates

:33:14.:33:16.

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have locked horns in the first

:33:17.:33:18.

of three televised debates before The pair clashed on economic policy

:33:19.:33:21.

with Mr Trump accusing his rival of having no plan to boost jobs,

:33:22.:33:25.

while Mrs Clinton accused him I will release my tax returns,

:33:26.:33:38.

against my lawyers' wishes, when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that

:33:39.:33:41.

have been deleted. He tried to switch from looks to

:33:42.:33:47.

stamina, but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs.

:33:48.:33:54.

Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare tax force. The

:33:55.:33:58.

aim is looking at ways of providing more help for parents before

:33:59.:34:01.

children go to school. Shadow education and is a Angela Rayner

:34:02.:34:05.

will tell the party conference in Liverpool that every parent should

:34:06.:34:07.

have the right to quality, affordable childcare.

:34:08.:34:08.

The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

:34:09.:34:10.

Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

:34:11.:34:12.

offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

:34:13.:34:20.

He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen.

:34:21.:34:22.

Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

:34:23.:34:24.

Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

:34:25.:34:28.

they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

:34:29.:34:30.

A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

:34:31.:34:36.

Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

:34:37.:34:40.

A Pakistani court has opened the trial against the father

:34:41.:34:48.

and ex-husband of a British woman allegedly killed in a so-called

:34:49.:34:51.

Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab.

:34:52.:34:55.

Her relatives initially said she had suffered a heart attack

:34:56.:34:58.

but a post-mortem examination confirmed she died as a result

:34:59.:35:00.

of being strangled and had also been raped.

:35:01.:35:04.

Cheshire Mohammed should kill denies murder and her father denies being

:35:05.:35:10.

an accessory to murder. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:35:11.:35:12.

News - more at 10am. Here's some sport now

:35:13.:35:15.

with Olly Foster. Sir Dave Brailsford,

:35:16.:35:16.

the boss of Team Sky, says that he may look

:35:17.:35:18.

at making their cyclist's It follows the leak by Russian

:35:19.:35:22.

hackers revealing the details of dozens of Therapeutic Use

:35:23.:35:26.

Exemption Certificates, including three for Sir Bradley

:35:27.:35:30.

Wiggins before major races in which he gained permission to use

:35:31.:35:34.

what is normally a performance-enhancing steroid

:35:35.:35:36.

to treat his asthma. Brailsford says they didn't cheat

:35:37.:35:40.

and that there was a genuine Burnley have moved up four places

:35:41.:35:43.

in the Premier League to 13th after beating Watford

:35:44.:35:47.

2-0 at home last night. Jeff Hendrick and Michael Keane

:35:48.:35:50.

with the goals. Two English teams

:35:51.:35:54.

are playing tonight. Leicester will be looking to make it

:35:55.:35:56.

two wins out of two. And with the start of the Ryder Cup

:35:57.:36:00.

just three days away, Bubba Watson has been added to USA

:36:01.:36:06.

team as an assistant captain. He missed out on a wild card pick

:36:07.:36:09.

to play in Minnessota. I will be back in about half an hour

:36:10.:36:23.

with an England cricketer. You tease, I would do that could

:36:24.:36:30.

be?! Olly Foster will be back at around ten of five.

:36:31.:36:33.

Next the British Asian men who marry for money and then abandon their

:36:34.:36:36.

wives. It is still common for South Asian men in the UK to get married

:36:37.:36:41.

to women from the subcontinent, but in some cases the wives are then

:36:42.:36:45.

abandoned after being used for money and abused. New research by

:36:46.:36:49.

academics at Lincoln University recommends they should be treated as

:36:50.:36:54.

domestic violence victims in the UK and help to get justice. Catrin Nye

:36:55.:36:56.

brings this exclusive film. Men do this because it is so easy

:36:57.:37:38.

for them to get away with it. Not in a single case that

:37:39.:37:43.

I encountered was there any comeback for the men,

:37:44.:37:46.

no criminal prosecutions. What he gets away with is

:37:47.:37:48.

abusing women, gaining So we make it very easy for men

:37:49.:37:50.

to get away with this abuse. So I have come to Punjab

:37:51.:37:54.

in the north of India and I am here because this is a region

:37:55.:37:57.

with strong family ties to the UK. That means this is a journey that

:37:58.:38:01.

some British Asian men still make The phenomenon of the abandoned

:38:02.:38:04.

bride happens when those wives are used for dowry,

:38:05.:38:07.

money paid by the bride's family to their husband's,

:38:08.:38:10.

abused and then dumped. Some are abandoned after coming

:38:11.:38:12.

to the UK but most are taken back to India, often

:38:13.:38:15.

on a pretend holiday. I have come to meet Sunita,

:38:16.:38:17.

whose name I have changed. Her husband made that journey

:38:18.:38:21.

from the UK when they got Once Sunita's husband went back

:38:22.:38:23.

to the UK, things changed. Sunita also found out her husband

:38:24.:38:56.

was already married. Sunita's family also gave his around

:38:57.:39:00.

?4000 worth of gold. Her father is sitting

:39:01.:39:47.

near her as we talk. They are struggling for money

:39:48.:39:51.

and with the consequences What does it mean for

:39:52.:39:55.

the woman left behind? For the woman abandoned,

:39:56.:40:00.

it means the end of her Primarily because the assumption

:40:01.:40:02.

is she has had sex and that stigma is massive and it

:40:03.:40:10.

cannot be overcome. It has an impact on other

:40:11.:40:15.

people in the family. So her sisters, for example,

:40:16.:40:18.

will find it harder to get married. She will find it very

:40:19.:40:21.

difficult to get a job. She faces day-to-day

:40:22.:40:23.

financial insecurity. Anitha met more than 50 women

:40:24.:40:33.

in India who had been abandoned after marrying men living overseas,

:40:34.:40:36.

most of them in the UK. Some had paid as much

:40:37.:40:40.

as ?25,000 as a dowry. She met one woman raped by her

:40:41.:40:45.

new husband, and then abandoned. She started facing pressure

:40:46.:40:52.

from her mother-in-law, She came back from work

:40:53.:40:55.

and her mother-in-law gave her a glass of milk

:40:56.:40:59.

and she doesn't remember anything She woke up the next day

:41:00.:41:01.

with bruises all over her body. Is this how a relationship,

:41:02.:41:05.

a sexual relationship happens? Another woman was left in India

:41:06.:41:16.

and used as a domestic The food was served and was put

:41:17.:41:19.

on the floor and they would push it How do you feel about

:41:20.:41:28.

what happened to you? Many people living here

:41:29.:42:03.

in Punjab move overseas. So this building is somewhat

:42:04.:42:08.

immigration central in Punjab. This is where you come

:42:09.:42:12.

if you want English lessons, British immigration lawyer

:42:13.:42:14.

Harjap Bhangal comes here around once a month to advise people

:42:15.:42:21.

on immigration issues. We have had cases where guys

:42:22.:42:26.

from the UK have had girlfriends and have no

:42:27.:42:28.

intention of leaving them, I had a case last year,

:42:29.:42:30.

the guy was divorced and had had a kid from his previous marriage,

:42:31.:42:35.

he married here, and the first time that woman got to know

:42:36.:42:38.

about it was when she turned up He says he has been able to help

:42:39.:42:41.

women in the past that have been So we had a case once

:42:42.:42:49.

where there was a guy from the UK Brought to the UK, had a child

:42:50.:42:54.

there, and the whole motive So he brought the wife back

:42:55.:43:00.

on the pretence of a holiday, leaving the child in the UK,

:43:01.:43:05.

and then picked up her Technically, that is just

:43:06.:43:08.

keeping her away from her child. The police got involved

:43:09.:43:12.

with the embassy and managed to get her brought back to the UK,

:43:13.:43:17.

managed to get her husband arrested. But where the cases are where

:43:18.:43:21.

they have never been invited There's not much really the UK

:43:22.:43:24.

can really do about it. They can say, "Hold on,

:43:25.:43:29.

we've not got jurisdiction, Harjap is also going on local TV

:43:30.:43:31.

to give immigration advice. They interview doctors

:43:32.:43:39.

and accountants. He has had calls before

:43:40.:43:50.

from abandoned brides but this time, it is a husband that has

:43:51.:43:52.

been left behind. The best thing to do

:43:53.:44:26.

here is a report it to the police. Forced marriage is another problem

:44:27.:44:37.

raised, when marriages cross continents and husband and wife

:44:38.:44:40.

don't know each other well. In this case, the wife had a very

:44:41.:44:44.

good reason to not want her husband Harjap says he sees far more

:44:45.:44:47.

women abandoned the men. He thinks the British government

:44:48.:44:54.

needs to do something about it. There should be a law in the UK

:44:55.:44:57.

where even if deception is international, and the guy comes

:44:58.:45:00.

back to live in the UK, because he has used his passport

:45:01.:45:03.

to gain an advantage. Therefore, the UK Government should

:45:04.:45:09.

say to these people, "Right, you have abused your privilege

:45:10.:45:12.

as a British citizen and therefore, we are going to do

:45:13.:45:15.

something about it". This report by Lincoln University

:45:16.:45:26.

also calls for action Pragna Patel is a campaign

:45:27.:45:28.

and worked with academics What needs to be done

:45:29.:45:36.

to tackle this? Abandonment should be recognised

:45:37.:45:40.

as an aspect of domestic violence because it involves emotional,

:45:41.:45:42.

sexual, financial, physical, Once it is, then all the legal

:45:43.:45:44.

avenues should be open to women, either to seek protection

:45:45.:45:54.

or prosecution or other legal remedies that would be

:45:55.:46:00.

available to abandoned women. Is it the British state's

:46:01.:46:04.

responsibility when these women are from South Asia,

:46:05.:46:06.

this is happening in South Asia? The perpetrators are

:46:07.:46:09.

British nationals. If the British state turns a blind

:46:10.:46:12.

eye or is indifferent to this, then it is contributing to that

:46:13.:46:15.

culture of impunity. These men are not held

:46:16.:46:18.

to account by anyone. Should the responsibility

:46:19.:46:21.

of the state not be Only last week, Southall Black

:46:22.:46:23.

Sisters had a case which involved a perpetrator abusing

:46:24.:46:33.

and abandoning women in five I think that in a globalised world,

:46:34.:46:35.

we have to wake up to the fact that violence in transnational spaces

:46:36.:46:45.

is a new and emerging form We will talk to a woman after

:46:46.:46:59.

10.30am who was abandoned. She will be here in the studio later.

:47:00.:47:03.

A special service to celebrate the life of Sir Terry Wogan will be

:47:04.:47:07.

held at Westminster Abbey today on the 50th anniversary of his first

:47:08.:47:10.

The radio and TV star died in January this year

:47:11.:47:16.

The Director-General of the BBC, Tony Hall will give the address -

:47:17.:47:20.

Radio 2 presenters Chris Evans and Ken Bruce are giving tributes

:47:21.:47:23.

and there will be a performance by Katie Melua

:47:24.:47:25.

In a moment we will speak to some people who knew him,

:47:26.:47:30.

but first here's a bit of genius from the late, great Wogan.

:47:31.:47:34.

Please welcome our knight of the realm, Sir Terry Wogan!

:47:35.:47:40.

Welcome to what I hope will be the beginning of a long

:47:41.:47:47.

How anyone could get such applause and still

:47:48.:47:50.

If being famous was there on offer, great.

:47:51.:48:03.

I could have been a disc jockey, yeah.

:48:04.:48:27.

Sir Terry has presented Children In Need for over 30 years.

:48:28.:48:32.

That's over 200 hours of live TV and pure

:48:33.:48:35.

Welcome once again to this programme, Maeve Binchy.

:48:36.:49:00.

When somebody like Maeve Binchy doesn't appear, when I had

:49:01.:49:03.

introduced her, that could only happen on a live show.

:49:04.:49:11.

She got stuck on the stairs coming down from hospitality.

:49:12.:49:13.

A man in a wheelchair was going up, she was trying to come down.

:49:14.:49:17.

I could be sitting here nice and neatly before you told me.

:49:18.:49:26.

Welcome to the millions of you watching, to the performers

:49:27.:49:34.

from 25 countries waiting nervously backstage, and to the 4000 fans

:49:35.:49:36.

Four knitting brides of Frankenstein.

:49:37.:49:48.

I will be putting those questions to you.

:49:49.:49:58.

Until we are together again in February.

:49:59.:50:01.

Let's talk now to some people who were close to him.

:50:02.:50:14.

Alan Dedicoat, a friend and broadcaster who worked

:50:15.:50:16.

And who is the voice of the balls on the Lottery and the

:50:17.:50:22.

And Norman who is a proud TOG - that's "Terry's

:50:23.:50:40.

I don't remember him looking particularly ill or anything. There

:50:41.:50:48.

were no clues. He disappeared. He shocked me, certainly, the night

:50:49.:50:52.

before Children in Need I got a text from the Director of The epic

:50:53.:50:57.

programme saying Terry has pulled out for health reasons. You think

:50:58.:51:01.

well, he would never have done that, not right at the last minute. So it

:51:02.:51:05.

must have been something serious. After that, we heard nothing. I sent

:51:06.:51:09.

him texts, e-mails, that sort of thing which he was all right with,

:51:10.:51:12.

he could do all that and would get back to me, but nothing came back.

:51:13.:51:16.

So we knew there was something, something wrong and then that shock

:51:17.:51:20.

news on the Sunday morning just came out of the blue. It was just

:51:21.:51:24.

amazing. Norman, there will be a lot of younger viewers who will not know

:51:25.:51:29.

about the TOGs, why don't you fill them in and tell them how Terry was

:51:30.:51:35.

a massive part of that? TOGs came about with Terry's daughter, she was

:51:36.:51:38.

talking to him when he went home from work and she said, "Have you

:51:39.:51:43.

been talking to the old geezers again?" He mention it and we all

:51:44.:51:49.

became TOGs, it is a state of mind. It is not a club or there is nothing

:51:50.:51:54.

that anybody can join, we have a Facebook page which is secret and

:51:55.:51:59.

hidden. You used to get together and Terry would come along Into We would

:52:00.:52:04.

go to his shows and do things like that and we would have fun in his

:52:05.:52:08.

name and we did a whole... And he would have fun at yours? We did,

:52:09.:52:13.

yeah. We did a host of fund-raising with him and everyone got behind

:52:14.:52:16.

Children in Need because he was the inspiration for that and the TOGs

:52:17.:52:22.

did that as a fund-raising effort. But if you went upstairs and

:52:23.:52:28.

thought, "Why have I come up here. You had no idea, you were a TOG."

:52:29.:52:32.

That was ta sort of thing. What was it like to be in the studio with him

:52:33.:52:38.

on the Breakfast Show on Radio 2? It was fantastic. It was a laugh from

:52:39.:52:49.

the minute he arrived. A lot of it we wouldn't transmit. A dark

:52:50.:52:53.

winter's morning he came in a pink cardigan because he put Helen's

:52:54.:52:57.

cardigan on. He just got dressed in the dark and that's what happened.

:52:58.:53:02.

On another occasion his producer used to sit-in with him and he used

:53:03.:53:09.

to sit on a bar stool basically and just as Terry opened the microphone

:53:10.:53:13.

to speak to the nation, the producer clambered on to the bar tool and I

:53:14.:53:16.

don't know whether it was trapped wind or what it was, but a noise

:53:17.:53:19.

came out and they were in fits of laughter and Terry said on air, "I

:53:20.:53:24.

shouldn't have to put up with this." He left the microphone on for two or

:53:25.:53:28.

three minutes and it was just solid laughter. It was such good fun. Jill

:53:29.:53:33.

is here. I'm glad you're not stuck in a lift somewhere. Come on to the

:53:34.:53:38.

programme. Flustered. You were a member of Terry's old geezers and

:53:39.:53:43.

gals. What did you love about him on the radio? The fun and the humour

:53:44.:53:50.

really. There wasn't a day that passed by where there wasn't

:53:51.:53:53.

something that had you in stitches and usually all of them as well and

:53:54.:53:58.

laughter is infectious. And you, Norman, you met your wife through

:53:59.:54:05.

it? I did. Helen was fund-raising with Terry and his old producer.

:54:06.:54:10.

They did a calendar thing and I helped out and I met Helen a couple

:54:11.:54:15.

of times at TOGs convention and we were both married at the time. We

:54:16.:54:19.

both got divorced and were single and we met one day at a romantic

:54:20.:54:24.

place, chiefly services on the M4! We fell in love that day and we have

:54:25.:54:28.

been together ever since! Terry took the credit for it after about two or

:54:29.:54:32.

three months when he knew we were actually together and weren't going

:54:33.:54:38.

to split up! I owe him my wife and my life because we gave up our jobs

:54:39.:54:43.

then to do fund-raising with him and it was just ten years... That's an

:54:44.:54:47.

incredible relationship with listeners, isn't it? It is

:54:48.:54:53.

incredible. It is unique, isn't it. What you saw is what you got. He was

:54:54.:54:57.

as genuine as anyone could be really. There is no side to him.

:54:58.:55:00.

There was no special Act because he was on the radio. He was the same on

:55:01.:55:05.

air as he was off air and that was fantastic. I loved the nicknames he

:55:06.:55:10.

had for various people in BBC management! Duky, that was the

:55:11.:55:19.

chairman. He He would sort of create fantastical lives? Yes, built at the

:55:20.:55:26.

back of Broadcasting House was Birt's Bee strode. He was having a

:55:27.:55:30.

bit of a go at them in a great way though. And only he do and get away

:55:31.:55:40.

with it! Frank used to pretend she was some kind of man eater, but she

:55:41.:55:44.

clearly wasn't, but from a listening point of view, you were drawn into

:55:45.:55:49.

that world? Yeah, he painted great pictures which is what radio is all

:55:50.:55:52.

about. He was good at including everybody. You thought he's talking

:55:53.:55:56.

to me now and it was as if he was talking to one person at a time. And

:55:57.:56:01.

there is never been another radio presenter since or before that that

:56:02.:56:04.

did that thing. Everyone was included. They all joined in the

:56:05.:56:12.

jokes. They all wrote in even if wasn't their e-mail and it became a

:56:13.:56:18.

trail. I think every subject became a snowball. Louise says, "I worked

:56:19.:56:25.

with Sir Terry years ago. I was hung over on Pim's and he told me it was

:56:26.:56:35.

one of my five a day." He said, "Who knows what horrors are to come, I

:56:36.:56:39.

do, I have seen the rehearsals." Another viewer says, "I loved Terry.

:56:40.:56:46.

He never took himself seriously." Les says, "Your short video

:56:47.:56:50.

featuring Sir Terry Wogan really sent a shiver up the spine. If

:56:51.:56:55.

laughter is a medicine and people say it is, we will live forever, I

:56:56.:56:59.

suspect, 15 years of solid laughter. It was fantastic. The service today

:57:00.:57:03.

is clearly going to be very poignant, but there are going to be

:57:04.:57:07.

some laughs, aren't there? Yes. And some surprises I'm told by the

:57:08.:57:11.

producer, yeah. All right, thank you, Jill, Norman,

:57:12.:57:16.

Alan, thank you. I know you're going straight to the service now. Tonight

:57:17.:57:21.

on Radio 2 at 10pm, there is a special programme, it is called

:57:22.:57:28.

Thank You For Being My Friend. That's Part 2 actually,

:57:29.:57:35.

Part 1 was last night and it was an absolutely lovely

:57:36.:57:37.

pgnant funny hour of radio. And this Friday on BBC One at 9pm -

:57:38.:57:39.

Sir Terry Wogan Remembered: The news and sport is coming up.

:57:40.:57:42.

Before that, let's get the weather. Across eastern parts of Norfolk over

:57:43.:58:00.

the past few hours, this was the glorious sunny scene. It won't last

:58:01.:58:04.

much longer. The cloud is on the way. Across much of the country, it

:58:05.:58:08.

is a much, much greyer picture. Skies not only grey, but

:58:09.:58:12.

particularly gloomy with outbreaks of rain as well. As you can see from

:58:13.:58:15.

here, one of our Weather Watcher shots in Guernsey. If you start the

:58:16.:58:19.

day grey, things are set to brighten up. It will take a little bit

:58:20.:58:23.

longer. This is the scene as we head to lunch time.

:58:24.:58:29.

Grey across central England and Wales. Mist and fog over the hills

:58:30.:58:33.

too. But reasonably mild and muggy out there. Bright enough towards the

:58:34.:58:38.

East Coast of East Anglia, but Northern England grey with further

:58:39.:58:41.

rain or drizzle. The sun is with us in Northern Ireland and continues

:58:42.:58:44.

for the rest of the day and by the afternoon much of Scotland except

:58:45.:58:48.

Shetland and parts of the borders will have brightened up, isolated

:58:49.:58:50.

showers in the Highlands and islands. A breeze blowing across the

:58:51.:58:56.

country. It is going to push the sunny conditions into Northern

:58:57.:59:01.

England and Wales. Most dry and even with the cloud,

:59:02.:59:05.

feeling warm enough, temperatures around 20 or 21 Celsius. This

:59:06.:59:10.

evening, it stays cloudy with patchy drizzle showers into the north of

:59:11.:59:13.

Scotland and we will focus on here tonight because it is not only here

:59:14.:59:16.

where we will see wet weather, but the strongest of the winds, 40,

:59:17.:59:20.

50mph gusts, even a little bit more. A wild night to come, before the

:59:21.:59:25.

winds ease later on. Enough of a breeze elsewhere across the UK to

:59:26.:59:27.

stop the temperatures dropping too much, we are looking at 12 to 14

:59:28.:59:34.

Celsius. For Wales, a dry and sunny start. A wet start for the morning

:59:35.:59:37.

rush hour across Northern Ireland. The breeze pushes the rain in across

:59:38.:59:40.

Scotland through the morning and afternoon. Some heavy bursts towards

:59:41.:59:47.

the north-west again and it turns grey and misty around western

:59:48.:59:52.

coasts. Across parts of south-eastern Scotland and to the

:59:53.:59:55.

east of Wales and across eastern parts of England, this is where we

:59:56.:59:59.

could see temperatures around 20 to 4 Celsius. 24 Celsius. Last night,

:00:00.:00:18.

you got to see a lovely view. We are likely to see further displays of

:00:19.:00:23.

aur roar ra over Scotland over the next few days. Enjoy your day.

:00:24.:00:27.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:28.:00:30.

A fiery first clash in the race to the White House -

:00:31.:00:33.

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton spar their way through 90 minutes

:00:34.:00:35.

of the most watched presidential debate in TV history.

:00:36.:00:38.

I will release my tax returns, against my lawyers' wishes,

:00:39.:00:40.

when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.

:00:41.:00:48.

He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

:00:49.:00:50.

who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs.

:00:51.:00:58.

The Daily Telegraph alleges that the England manager,

:00:59.:01:00.

Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around

:01:01.:01:02.

the Football Association's rules on player transfers.

:01:03.:01:07.

We'll bring you some of the secret recordings.

:01:08.:01:26.

Also, the British Asian men who marry for money and then abandon

:01:27.:01:32.

their wives. Men do this because it's so easy for

:01:33.:01:36.

them to get away with it. Not in a single case that I have encountered

:01:37.:01:42.

was there any comeback for the men. And one DJ investigates the

:01:43.:01:46.

startling statistic that black men in Britain are 17 times more likely

:01:47.:01:50.

to suffer a serious mental health condition than white men.

:01:51.:01:55.

And going to be talking about Black health, because I think it is

:01:56.:01:59.

something that is very, very, very slapped on.

:02:00.:02:02.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:03.:02:05.

The US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

:02:06.:02:07.

have locked horns in the first of three televised debates before

:02:08.:02:10.

The pair clashed on economic policy with Mr Trump accusing his rival

:02:11.:02:16.

of having no plan to boost jobs, while Mrs Clinton accused him

:02:17.:02:19.

The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

:02:20.:02:28.

Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

:02:29.:02:30.

offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

:02:31.:02:33.

He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen.

:02:34.:02:37.

Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

:02:38.:02:39.

We will be live at FA headquarters after this bulletin.

:02:40.:02:48.

Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

:02:49.:02:51.

The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents

:02:52.:02:54.

The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party

:02:55.:02:58.

conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right

:02:59.:03:00.

Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

:03:01.:03:06.

they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

:03:07.:03:08.

A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

:03:09.:03:14.

Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

:03:15.:03:19.

There are some other items of slight interest which were found yesterday,

:03:20.:03:26.

That is being analysed and looked at.

:03:27.:03:30.

That'll take a little bit of time to do.

:03:31.:03:32.

But slight interest is the point in relation to that at the moment.

:03:33.:03:36.

Every single item that we have found, those of you here yesterday

:03:37.:03:39.

saw the fingertip search taking place, everything is being carefully

:03:40.:03:43.

looked at and we are working through the same again today.

:03:44.:03:48.

You may see that we are not working in a line, grid by grid,

:03:49.:03:51.

As I said yesterday, that is based on the fact that

:03:52.:03:55.

I have a targeted approach to specific areas of interest based

:03:56.:03:58.

on the information we have managed to gather over the past 18 months.

:03:59.:04:03.

A Pakistani court has opened the trial against the father

:04:04.:04:06.

and ex-husband of a British woman allegedly killed in a so-called

:04:07.:04:08.

Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab.

:04:09.:04:15.

It is thought she had been visiting family in the village of Pandori

:04:16.:04:19.

Her relatives initially said she had suffered a heart attack

:04:20.:04:23.

but a post-mortem examination confirmed she died as a result

:04:24.:04:25.

of being strangled and had also been raped.

:04:26.:04:31.

All users of the BBC's iPlayer service will have to log

:04:32.:04:34.

in with a personal account from early 2017.

:04:35.:04:36.

Users of BBC services can already create an online account -

:04:37.:04:39.

known as a BBC ID - but this is not currently required

:04:40.:04:42.

From today, BBC ID holders will have to add a postcode to their

:04:43.:04:47.

Astronomers have found more evidence that Jupiter's icy moon, Europa,

:04:48.:04:55.

The latest observation - uncovered by the Hubble space telescope -

:04:56.:05:01.

raises the prospect of samples from the water being

:05:02.:05:03.

Scientists say there may be microorganisms in Europa's

:05:04.:05:08.

vast ocean, which is covered with thick ice.

:05:09.:05:14.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

:05:15.:05:17.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:05:18.:05:19.

Thanks the messages. Quite a few about the US presidential debate.

:05:20.:05:32.

Let's a look. Phil on text says, sadly Donald Trump is his own worst

:05:33.:05:37.

enemy. Looks like the US will continued stagnation, debt and

:05:38.:05:40.

manipulation by a career politician if it is under Clinton. Dawn on

:05:41.:05:45.

Facebook said Clinton is the only choice. She is surrounded by people

:05:46.:05:50.

with experience, calm, rational people. Mr Trump comes across as an

:05:51.:05:56.

adolescent. Get inter choosing the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and then if

:05:57.:06:01.

you are charged you will view text you will be charged at the network

:06:02.:06:02.

rate. Here's some sport now

:06:03.:06:05.

with Olly Foster. I am joined by Ben Stokes. A big

:06:06.:06:13.

week for you and the team, heading to Bangladesh? Bangladesh and then

:06:14.:06:19.

India following that, and exciting winter. We are excited about the

:06:20.:06:24.

future, both as a one-day team and a test team. For the one-day matches,

:06:25.:06:29.

you will not have your captain, Eoin Morgan. He thought long and hard

:06:30.:06:33.

about the security and Bangladesh. I know you all did. He is not going,

:06:34.:06:39.

Alex Hales is staying at home. A difficult decision? For me, there

:06:40.:06:44.

were lots of things to take into consideration. Obviously, there was

:06:45.:06:53.

a lot of thoughts and the process that the ECB took to make a decision

:06:54.:06:56.

that, yeah, we would go. But I think they are good in saying that we will

:06:57.:07:00.

leave this situation up to you as individuals, if you want to go.

:07:01.:07:05.

After previous talks with the security guy, then speaking to him

:07:06.:07:09.

on more than one occasion, I felt that I would go. Eoin and Alex Hales

:07:10.:07:14.

have decided against it. We were told it was an individual decision.

:07:15.:07:21.

Lots of people were making lots of noise away from the England team,

:07:22.:07:25.

former players like Kevin Pietersen saying, you don't go, that will be a

:07:26.:07:31.

black mark against your name? He can comment on whatever, he is not in

:07:32.:07:37.

our environment. I think Alex and Eoin will only be fussed about

:07:38.:07:41.

people involved in the ECB at the moment and how they react. I think

:07:42.:07:45.

they know they have a full backing in their decision.

:07:46.:07:51.

A stop start, for you. Starting brilliantly with that double turn

:07:52.:07:55.

against South Africa, broke all sorts of records, then the final

:07:56.:07:58.

over when you were hit for four sixes in a row to lose the World Cup

:07:59.:08:03.

final. Then the injury. How do you look back at this year? It has been

:08:04.:08:09.

a roller-coaster, her pants down and up and down again. The Cape Town

:08:10.:08:15.

knock was something I wanted to build on, going forward, in the

:08:16.:08:19.

summer with England. And then the final was not something I wanted to

:08:20.:08:23.

build on, if you know what I mean? From one end of the spectrum to

:08:24.:08:28.

another. The injuries have been frustrating, I have not been able to

:08:29.:08:33.

play a full part this summer. I was lucky enough to finish well in the

:08:34.:08:38.

one-day series against Pakistan. We know that Bangladesh will be the

:08:39.:08:42.

warm up for one of the toughest tours in world cricket, India,

:08:43.:08:48.

following before Christmas? That will be very, very tough and long.

:08:49.:08:52.

Especially if you are in bold in all three formats. We want to be the

:08:53.:08:59.

number one test team in the world, going to places like India and

:09:00.:09:02.

performing well will give us a lot of good chance in doing that. We are

:09:03.:09:06.

under no illusions that it will be tough, it is all about build-up, it

:09:07.:09:11.

will be hard, hopefully we can do well. Good luck, Ben. Cheers. Ben

:09:12.:09:17.

Stokes, heading off to the tour of Bangladesh with England on Thursday.

:09:18.:09:22.

Thank you very much, Ben Stokes and Olly Foster.

:09:23.:09:23.

The Daily Telegraph has alleged that the England manager,

:09:24.:09:25.

Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around

:09:26.:09:28.

the Football Association's rules on player transfers.

:09:29.:09:30.

He was filmed by undercover reporters.

:09:31.:09:35.

The paper says Mr Allardyce told undercover reporters posing

:09:36.:09:38.

as fictitious businessmen that it was not a problem

:09:39.:09:40.

Richard Conway, the BBC's sports news correspondent,

:09:41.:10:04.

What is the Telegraph saying in detail? There is quite a lot of

:10:05.:10:18.

detail? There is. Two main strands to this, the first is that Sam

:10:19.:10:23.

Allardyce is agreeing in principle to a ?400,000 business deal whereby

:10:24.:10:26.

he would fly to Singapore or Hong Kong and speak to investors in those

:10:27.:10:32.

countries and make a keynote speech and talk to them at the bar about

:10:33.:10:37.

football and potential... The state of the game and investments.

:10:38.:10:42.

The second strand, potentially more serious for Sam Allardyce, relates

:10:43.:10:47.

to third-party ownership rules. To explain that briefly, it is whereby

:10:48.:10:50.

an investment company or individual 's own the financial stake in a

:10:51.:10:57.

player. It was outlawed by the FA in 2008, a la clawed by the world

:10:58.:11:03.

governing body, Fifa, last year. -- it was outlawed by the world

:11:04.:11:10.

governing body, Fifa, last year. He told these fake businessmen, these

:11:11.:11:15.

journalists, advice on how they could perhaps bypass regulations.

:11:16.:11:18.

That is potentially a bigger problem for him. Other things we should say,

:11:19.:11:24.

in relation to the ?400,000 deal, in those conversations Sam Allardyce

:11:25.:11:27.

said he would have to run that past is FA bosses, it was in principle,

:11:28.:11:32.

not fully signed off as a deal. But it is a difficult day ahead for Sam

:11:33.:11:37.

Allardyce and the FA. Has Sam Allardyce responded yet,

:11:38.:11:43.

what about the English FA? Nothing for Sam Allardyce. The Daily

:11:44.:11:48.

Telegraph says he was given 12 hours yesterday to respond to the claims

:11:49.:11:52.

and allegations but has not said anything publicly. We know he left

:11:53.:11:56.

home this morning in Bolton, we know that he and Martin Glenn, the chief

:11:57.:12:00.

executive of the FA, and Greg Clark, the new chairman of the FA, they are

:12:01.:12:06.

here. We expect there will be a meeting to discuss this. The FA is

:12:07.:12:10.

understood to have asked for video and transcripts from the Daily

:12:11.:12:14.

Telegraph to and they will review the situation. We wait to see

:12:15.:12:17.

whether Sam Allardyce will be at Wembley today. No sign this morning,

:12:18.:12:22.

it is all very quiet. We can expect this will want to be dealt with very

:12:23.:12:26.

quickly. Sam Allardyce is due to pick his England squad for his first

:12:27.:12:31.

home fixture at Wembley on Sunday, this is just 67 days into his reign

:12:32.:12:36.

as England manager, already the question about whether he can

:12:37.:12:39.

survive has been raised. He has wanted this job for so long,

:12:40.:12:47.

he has been in charge for one game. The question is about his judgment.

:12:48.:12:50.

These undercover reporters, posing as fictitious business people, he

:12:51.:12:55.

has never met them. He talked about his predecessor, Gary Neville, his

:12:56.:12:59.

employers, when he would not pick a player for the England team?

:13:00.:13:06.

Very indiscreet comments from Sam Allardyce on Gary Neville, the

:13:07.:13:11.

former assistant manager, on what Hodgson, who resigned as England

:13:12.:13:15.

manager following their poor performance at the European

:13:16.:13:18.

Championships this summer. It is those points that he makes, advice

:13:19.:13:24.

and offers on third-party ownership, which is perhaps the tricky part for

:13:25.:13:28.

Sam Allardyce and the football Association. The governing body of

:13:29.:13:32.

the sport in England, there is a question about whether their moral

:13:33.:13:35.

authority would be reduced when dealing with matters of third-party

:13:36.:13:39.

ownership in the future if their most high-profile employee is seen

:13:40.:13:44.

to be offering advice about how to bypass regulations. That is the

:13:45.:13:47.

conundrum that the FA will have to souls to get through this emerging

:13:48.:13:51.

crisis. Thank you very much for the moment,

:13:52.:14:01.

Richard Conway. Much more to come. Chris Arnie Mel

:14:02.:14:03.

says Sam Allardyce seems to have advised the fictitious businessmen

:14:04.:14:05.

to avoid any potentially illegal activity. What can be wrong with

:14:06.:14:09.

that? Sounds like a phishing expedition. Someone on Twitter says

:14:10.:14:13.

Big Sam has to go. Kenny says that football and greed seem to go

:14:14.:14:15.

together. Why are black men in the UK 17 times

:14:16.:14:16.

more likely to suffer serious mental Stay with us for a report

:14:17.:14:21.

by DJ Keith Dube. US pundits said this could be

:14:22.:14:24.

the make or break moment in the race And yet after the tense

:14:25.:14:29.

and often bitter exchanges of the Presidential Clinton-Trump

:14:30.:14:32.

debate, many remain undecided The candidates scrapped angrily over

:14:33.:14:34.

key policy areas such as defence and the economy,

:14:35.:14:39.

but there were moments I will release my tax returns

:14:40.:15:01.

against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that

:15:02.:15:05.

have been deleted. As soon as she releases them I will release my tax

:15:06.:15:08.

returns and that's against my lawyers. They say don't do it. I

:15:09.:15:16.

will tell you this, watching shows, reading the papers, almost every

:15:17.:15:19.

lawyer says you don't release your returns until the audit is complete.

:15:20.:15:24.

When the audit is complete I will do it. So it is negotiable? No, why did

:15:25.:15:34.

she delete 33,000... There was an agreement, we did ask you to be

:15:35.:15:38.

silent so it would be helpful for us, secretary Clinton? Well, I think

:15:39.:15:43.

you have seen other example bait and switch here. For 40 years everyone

:15:44.:15:47.

running for president has released their tax returns. You can go and

:15:48.:15:51.

see nearly, I think, 39, 40 years of our tax returns, but everyone has

:15:52.:15:56.

done it. We know the IRS made clear there is no prohibition on releasing

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it when you are under audit. So you've got to ask yourself why won't

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he release his tax returns? I think there maybe a couple of reasons.

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First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is.

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Maybe he is not as charitable. We don't know his dealings, but we have

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been told through investigative reporting that he owes about $650

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million to Wall Street and foreign banks. Or maybe he doesn't want the

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American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he paid

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nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody has ever

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seen were a couple of years when he to turn them over to State

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authorities when he was trying to get a casino licence and they showed

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he didn't pay any federal income tax. That makes me smart. If he paid

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zero, that means zero for vets, zero for schools or health and I think

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probably he's not all that enthusiastic about having the rest

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of our country see what the real reasons are because it must be

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something really important, even terrible, that he's trying to hide

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and the financial disclosure statement, they don't give you the

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tax rate, they don't give you all the details the tax returns would

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and it just seem to say me that this is something that the American

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people deserve to see and I have no reason to believe that he is ever

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going to release his tax returns because there is' something he's

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hiding and we'll keep guessing what it might be that he's hiding, but I

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think the question is where he never to get near the White House, what

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would be those conflicts? Who does he owe money to? Well, he owes you

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the answers to that and he should provide them. He also raised the

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issue of your e-mails, do you want to respond to that? I do. You know,

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I made a mistake using a private e-mail. That's for sure. If had to

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do it again, I would obviously do it differently, but I'm not going to

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make any excuses, it was a mistake and I take responsibility for that.

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Mr Trump? That was more than a mistake. That was done purposely.

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OK, that was not a mistake. That was done purposely. When you have your

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staff taking the Fifth amendment, taking the Fifth, so they're not

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prosecuted, when you have the man that set-up the illegal server,

:18:30.:18:34.

taking the Fifth, I think it is disgraceful and believe me, this

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country thinks it's disgraceful also. As far as my tax returns, you

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don't learn that much from tax returns, that I can tell you that.

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You learn a lot from financial disclosure and you should go down

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and take a look at that. I'm under leveraged. The report said 650 which

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by the way a lot of friends of mine said, "That's not a lot of money. It

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is not a lot of money." The buildings that were in question,

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they said in the same report, which was actually, it wasn't even a bad

:19:06.:19:10.

story to be honest with you, but the buildings are worth ?3.9 billion and

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the 650 isn't even on that, but it is not 650, it is much less than

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that. But I could give you a list of banks, if that would help you, I

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would give you a list of banks, these are fine institutions, very

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fine banks, I could do that very quickly. I'm under leveraged, I have

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a great company. I have a tremendous income and the reason I say that is

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not a brag docious way, it is about time this country had somebody

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running it that has been idea about money.

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It singled out black and Hispanic young men... No, you're wrong. It

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went before a judge who was a very against police judge. It was taken

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away from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with

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the case. They would have won an appeal. The argument is that it is a

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form of racial profiling? No, the argument is that we have to take the

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guns away from these people that have them and there are bad people

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that shouldn't have them. These are people that are bad people that

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shouldn't be, when you have 3,000 shootings in Chicago from January,

:20:25.:20:29.

1st, when you have 4,000 people killed in Chicago by guns, from the

:20:30.:20:35.

beginning of the presidency of Barack Obama, his hometown, you have

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to have stop and frisk. You need more police. You need a better

:20:40.:20:51.

community, you know, relations. In Chicago, it is terrible. I have

:20:52.:20:54.

property there. You go to Ferguson, you go to so many different places,

:20:55.:21:00.

you need better relationships, agree with secretary Clinton this, you

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need better relationships between the communities and the police

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because the people that are most affected by what is happening is

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African-American and Hispanic people and it is very unfair to them, what

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our politicians are allowing to happen. Secretary Clinton? Well, I

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have heard Donald say this at his rallies. It is really unfortunate he

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paints such a dire, negative picture of black communities in our country.

:21:31.:21:36.

The vibrancy of the Black Church, the black businesses that employ so

:21:37.:21:41.

many people, the opportunities that so many families are working to

:21:42.:21:46.

provide for their kids, there is a lot that we should be proud of and

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we should be supporting and lifting up. But we do always have to make

:21:50.:21:55.

sure we keep people safe. There are the right ways of doing it and then

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there are ways that are ineffective. Stop and frisk was found to be

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unconstitutional and in part because it was ineffective. It did not do

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what it needed to do and it is just a fact that if you're a young

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African American man and you do the same thing as a young white man, you

:22:15.:22:21.

are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated.

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So we've got to address the systemic racism in our Criminal Justice

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System. We cannot just say law and order, right now, we've got too many

:22:32.:22:36.

military-style weapons on the streets. In a lot of places our

:22:37.:22:42.

police are out gunned. We need come rehencive background checks and we

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need to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm and we

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finally need to pass a prohibition on anyone who is on the terrorist

:22:52.:22:55.

watch list from being able to buy a gun in our country. If you're too

:22:56.:22:59.

dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to buy a gun. You look at

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the inner cities and I just left Philadelphia and Detroit, I have

:23:06.:23:08.

been all over the place. You decided to stay home and that's OK! But I

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will tell you, I have been all over and I've met some of the greatest

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people I'll ever meet within these communities and they are very, very

:23:17.:23:20.

upset with what their politicians have told them and what their

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politicians have done. I think that, I think Donald just criticised me

:23:26.:23:30.

for preparing for this debate. And yes, I did. And you know what else I

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prepared for, I prepared to be president and I think that's a good

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thing. APPLAUSE Earlier this month you said

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she doesn't have a presidential look. She is standing here right

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now, what did you mean by that? She doesn't have the looks. She doesn't

:23:52.:23:55.

have the stamina. I said she doesn't have the stamina and I don't believe

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she does have the stamina. To be president of this country, you need

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tremendous stamina. The quote was, "I don't think she has a

:24:05.:24:07.

presidential look." Did you ask me a question? You have to be able to

:24:08.:24:12.

negotiate our trade deals, you have to be able to negotiate, that's

:24:13.:24:17.

right, with Japan, with Saudi Arabia, I mean can you imagine we're

:24:18.:24:21.

defending Saudi Arabia and with all of the money they have, we're

:24:22.:24:24.

defending them and they're not paying, all you have to do is speak

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to them. You have so many different things you have to be able to do I

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don't believe that Hillary has the stamina. Let's let her respond.

:24:33.:24:40.

Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and neglects a peace deal,

:24:41.:24:47.

a ceasefire, a release of dissidents and opening of new opportunities in

:24:48.:24:52.

nations around the world or even spends 11 hours testifying in front

:24:53.:24:56.

of a Congressional committee he can talk to me about stamina. The

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world... Let me tell you, let me tell you, Hillary has experience,

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but it is bad experience. We have made so many bad deals during the

:25:09.:25:12.

last, so she has got experience, that I agree, but it is bad, bad

:25:13.:25:16.

experience. Whether it is the Iran deal that you're so in love with,

:25:17.:25:21.

where we gave them ?150 billion, back whether it is the Iran deal,

:25:22.:25:26.

whether it's anything, you almost can't name a good daesmt I agree,

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she has got experience, but it is bad experience. And this country

:25:30.:25:34.

can't afford to have another four years of that kind of experience.

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Let's talk now to some American voters who watched

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They're a married couple from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

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Bob is very pro-Mr Trump and Quinn can't stand Mr Trump.

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But she hasn't got much time for Hillary Clinton either.

:25:48.:25:51.

And Qasim Rashid is in Washington DC and he's

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Good morning. Quinn, what did you make of both candidates?

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Well, I have to say I'm not pro Hillary. I'm just anti- Trump. I

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this that he is the most unpresidential candidate we've ever

:26:13.:26:16.

had. And last night he showed that when

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he just constantly interrupted her during her two minutes answer

:26:25.:26:29.

questions. I think he is dishonest and disrespectful. He doesn't have

:26:30.:26:41.

enough talent and intelligence to stand on his own. Bob, what is it...

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Go on. I just think, they say Hillary is so dishonest, but I think

:26:51.:26:56.

he gets caught in a lot of lies himself when he won't release his

:26:57.:27:01.

tax returns and he admitted that he doesn't pay federal tax and he said

:27:02.:27:05.

to Hillary that makes him smart. Bob, what is it that appeals to you

:27:06.:27:11.

about Mr Trump when he is a turn off for your wife? Well, I like to refer

:27:12.:27:18.

to him as President Trump! He is the only person in this race who from

:27:19.:27:22.

day one has said, "Let's make America great again." How did he do

:27:23.:27:26.

in the debate? We are talking about the 90 minutes He was fantastic. He

:27:27.:27:32.

basically was the only person talking about issues that mattered

:27:33.:27:36.

to real Americans which are basically jobs, and our economy, and

:27:37.:27:40.

keeping our families and children safe. OK. And how define a real

:27:41.:27:45.

American? Is your wife a real American?

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We're not sure! LAUGHTER

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Kasim, how did Hillary Clinton do? You're a supporter of her's? Where

:27:57.:28:01.

did she get it wrong and where did she get it right? There is going to

:28:02.:28:05.

be no political candidate that you're going to support 100%. It

:28:06.:28:09.

doesn't work that way. If you want to find a candidate that you agree

:28:10.:28:14.

with completely then run for office yourself because it won't happen.

:28:15.:28:19.

Clinton was articulate, intelligent and didn't take the bait when Trump

:28:20.:28:24.

took cheap shots. She was interrupted three times as often as

:28:25.:28:29.

she interrupted Trump, but she maintained her composure and gave

:28:30.:28:33.

well thought out answers that were actually based on policy, not just

:28:34.:28:38.

this empty rhetoric of we're going to make America great, whatever that

:28:39.:28:47.

means and we are comments didn't have the constant overshadowing of

:28:48.:28:51.

racism which you saw from Donald Trump and that's going to be

:28:52.:28:54.

critical because the president is the President of all Americans, not

:28:55.:29:00.

just white males as Mr Trump seems to think the presidential office is

:29:01.:29:04.

supposed to be for. Well, Bob, do you think undecides, those people

:29:05.:29:09.

that he does have to win over Mr Trump, if he is to win the race will

:29:10.:29:12.

see that 90 minutes and it will help make up their minds? I really think

:29:13.:29:20.

that the people that are undecided, probably are better off with Trump

:29:21.:29:24.

than Hillary. I think, if Hillary were to get in there, it would be

:29:25.:29:29.

four more years of a Republican House and Senate and Democratic

:29:30.:29:34.

president and a whole lot of action wouldn't happen. I think if Donald

:29:35.:29:38.

Trump got in there, for once we got somebody who would stand up to

:29:39.:29:43.

Republicans and Democratic politicians and say, "Hey, guys, it

:29:44.:29:51.

is time to get things done and stop hiding in the past and taking too

:29:52.:29:54.

much time to get anything really accomplished in this country and it

:29:55.:30:00.

is time to move forward and help America versus just talking and

:30:01.:30:05.

getting nothing duvenlt" I think that's what Hillary was about, she

:30:06.:30:09.

talked, but she didn't have any real ideas. Donald wants to build a wall.

:30:10.:30:15.

He wants to keep illegals out of our countriment he wants to track what

:30:16.:30:21.

the people in our country are doing, he wants to produce jobs for

:30:22.:30:24.

Americans. Quinn, how do you respond to your

:30:25.:30:25.

husband? I think he says all those things,

:30:26.:30:34.

make America great again, but he never backs it up with any policy or

:30:35.:30:38.

how he will do that. Because, eight you know... It is all empty

:30:39.:30:48.

rhetoric, none of those things are actual policy proposals. Bob

:30:49.:30:54.

admitted the ridiculous of structuralism of Congress, but under

:30:55.:30:58.

the Obama administration the US economy has had the strongest growth

:30:59.:31:06.

in US history, with job growth. And that is with an obstructive policy,

:31:07.:31:11.

imagine working together under Clinton? It is taking zero job

:31:12.:31:20.

growth... I am going to pause there, but I thank you very much for

:31:21.:31:23.

getting up very early to speak to us. Bob and Quinn in Philadelphia,

:31:24.:31:33.

and Qasim in Washington. Thank you for speaking to the British viewers.

:31:34.:31:35.

You can see last night's Presidential debate in full

:31:36.:31:37.

at 12.45pm this lunchtime on BBC Parliament.

:31:38.:31:39.

We are waiting to hear from the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, in

:31:40.:31:45.

Turkey. He has been visiting refugee camps. We are waiting for a press

:31:46.:31:50.

conference to begin. He has met representatives of the Syrian

:31:51.:31:54.

opposition as well, we will bring you that when it starts.

:31:55.:31:58.

Thank you for your comments about Sir Terry Wogan. We spoke about him

:31:59.:32:04.

earlier, 50 years to the day that he did his first BBC radio broadcast.

:32:05.:32:08.

There is a service at Westminster Abbey this lunchtime, I think you

:32:09.:32:19.

can hear that on Radio 2 at midday. Look on Twitter says, I think the

:32:20.:32:22.

country finds it hard to believe that Terry Wogan is no longer with

:32:23.:32:25.

us. Dawn says that a few years ago she suffered... Found morning is

:32:26.:32:27.

very difficult because she suffered from anxiety. She put the radio one,

:32:28.:32:30.

feeling brave as that was something she would never do. She says, I

:32:31.:32:34.

recognised Sir Terry Wogan's voice, from then on he calmed me down, made

:32:35.:32:39.

me laugh and made me feel normal. I am OK now, but he turned my morning

:32:40.:32:44.

drive to joy. What a wonderful e-mail. David says,

:32:45.:32:49.

what a sad loss, Sir Terry, you will always live on in the lips of the

:32:50.:32:59.

living. Another text, I laughed my way to

:33:00.:33:02.

work for many years, arriving able to smile so much through the day.

:33:03.:33:05.

God bless, Terry. Still to come, married for the

:33:06.:33:09.

family's money and then abandoned, Catrin Nye has been in India

:33:10.:33:13.

speaking to whites left by British Asian husbands. -- speaking to the

:33:14.:33:17.

wide left. And blogger and DJ Keith Dube talks

:33:18.:33:28.

about her black men are more likely to end it with depression and mental

:33:29.:33:33.

illness than white men. -- end up with depression.

:33:34.:33:36.

With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:33:37.:33:38.

The US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

:33:39.:33:40.

have locked horns in the first of three televised debates before

:33:41.:33:42.

The pair clashed on economic policy with Mr Trump accusing his rival

:33:43.:33:47.

of having no plan to boost jobs, while Mrs Clinton accused him

:33:48.:33:49.

I will release my tax returns, against my lawyers' wishes,

:33:50.:33:53.

when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.

:33:54.:33:59.

He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

:34:00.:34:02.

who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs.

:34:03.:34:09.

The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

:34:10.:34:11.

Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

:34:12.:34:13.

offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

:34:14.:34:20.

He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen.

:34:21.:34:23.

Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

:34:24.:34:25.

Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

:34:26.:34:33.

The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents

:34:34.:34:36.

The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party

:34:37.:34:40.

conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right

:34:41.:34:43.

Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

:34:44.:34:49.

they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

:34:50.:34:52.

A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

:34:53.:34:58.

Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

:34:59.:35:03.

A Pakistani court has opened the trial of the ex-husband

:35:04.:35:10.

of a British woman allegedly murdered in a so-called

:35:11.:35:13.

Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab.

:35:14.:35:16.

Her relatives initially said she'd suffered a heart attack,

:35:17.:35:18.

but a post-mortem examination confirmed she'd been

:35:19.:35:20.

Chaudhry Muhammad Shakeel denies murder.

:35:21.:35:26.

Samia's father, Chaudhry Muhammad Shahid, denies

:35:27.:35:28.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:35:29.:35:37.

Here's some sport now with Olly Foster.

:35:38.:35:42.

Sir Dave Brailsford, the boss of Team Sky,

:35:43.:35:47.

says that he may look at making their cyclists'

:35:48.:35:49.

It follows the leak by Russian hackers revealing the details

:35:50.:35:53.

of dozens of Therapeutic Use Exemption Certificates,

:35:54.:35:56.

including three for Sir Bradley Wiggins, before major races

:35:57.:35:59.

in which he gained permission to use what is normally

:36:00.:36:01.

a performance-enhancing steroid to treat his asthma.

:36:02.:36:04.

Brailsford says they didn't cheat and that there was a genuine

:36:05.:36:07.

Burnley have moved up four places in the Premier League to 13th

:36:08.:36:13.

after beating Watford 2-0 at home last night.

:36:14.:36:16.

Jeff Hendrick and Michael Keane with the goals.

:36:17.:36:19.

Two English teams are playing tonight.

:36:20.:36:22.

Leicester will be looking to make it two wins out of two.

:36:23.:36:25.

And with the start of the Ryder Cup just three days away,

:36:26.:36:31.

Bubba Watson has been added to USA team as an assistant captain.

:36:32.:36:36.

He missed out on a wild card pick to play in Minnessota.

:36:37.:36:42.

They have five assistant captains now.

:36:43.:36:49.

That is all yours bought this morning, Victoria.

:36:50.:36:52.

Thank you. Matt on Twitter says the FA are to punish Sam Allardyce by

:36:53.:36:55.

extending his England contract! This programme has been speaking

:36:56.:36:57.

exclusively to women who've suffered It's when women are brought

:36:58.:37:00.

from often India or Pakistan to the UK to marry British Asian men

:37:01.:37:03.

and then abandoned back Many have suffered domestic abuse

:37:04.:37:06.

and had money taken from them In a moment we'll be talking

:37:07.:37:10.

to Sabah, who was an abandoned wife, but Catrin Nye has been

:37:11.:37:15.

to India to investigate. So I have come to Punjab

:37:16.:37:24.

in the north of India and I am here because this is a region

:37:25.:37:27.

with strong family ties to the UK. That means this is a journey that

:37:28.:37:31.

some British Asian men still make The phenomenon of the abandoned

:37:32.:37:34.

bride happens when those wives are used for dowry,

:37:35.:37:38.

money paid by the bride's family to their husband's,

:37:39.:37:40.

abused and then dumped. Some are abandoned after coming

:37:41.:37:45.

to the UK but most are taken back to India, often

:37:46.:37:48.

on a pretend holiday. That is what happened to Sunita,

:37:49.:37:52.

whose name I have changed. She met a British Indian

:37:53.:37:57.

who went back to the UK What does it mean for

:37:58.:38:00.

the woman left behind? For the woman abandoned, it means

:38:01.:38:30.

the end of her status in society. Primarily because the assumption

:38:31.:38:33.

is she has had sex and that stigma is massive and it

:38:34.:38:40.

cannot be overcome. It has an impact on other

:38:41.:38:44.

people in the family. So her sisters, for example,

:38:45.:38:48.

will find it harder to get married. She will find it very

:38:49.:38:51.

difficult to get a job. She faces day-to-day

:38:52.:38:53.

financial insecurity. This report by Anitha and other

:38:54.:38:58.

academics at Lincoln University is calling for action

:38:59.:39:00.

from the British state Campaigner Pragna Patel worked

:39:01.:39:02.

with them on the research. What needs to be

:39:03.:39:08.

done to tackle this? Abandonment should be recognised

:39:09.:39:11.

as an aspect of domestic violence because it involves emotional,

:39:12.:39:15.

sexual, financial, physical, Once it is, then all the legal

:39:16.:39:18.

avenues should be open to women, either to seek protection

:39:19.:39:25.

or prosecution or other legal remedies that would be

:39:26.:39:27.

available to abandoned women. Is it the British state's

:39:28.:39:36.

responsibility when these women are from South Asia,

:39:37.:39:38.

this is happening in South Asia? The perpetrators are

:39:39.:39:41.

British nationals. If the British state turns a blind

:39:42.:39:43.

eye or is indifferent to this, then it is contributing to that

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culture of impunity. These men are not held

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to account by anyone. I've been speaking to

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Radhika Handa who works with the Southall Black Sisters

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to help wives abandoned in their home countries and also Sabah -

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who asked us not to use her suname. Sabah married a British man

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and was left behind in Pakistan. I asked her if she had any

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suspicions about her husband Everything was going fine, and their

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behaviour was really nice. But I never, ever speak to my husband,

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like, before my marriage. We don't know each other. It was just

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arranged marriage. When did you realise that you had been abandoned?

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I never, ever realised. They never showed me anything. But when was it

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clear that your husband, who had left you and come back to Britain,

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wasn't coming back? Actually, when I... When he took my baby from me.

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That time I was at my parents' house, and he came to me and he

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said, like, I need my child, some of my relatives need him. And he just

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took him from me. After one hour, I called and said, OK, I'm coming in

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awhile. But he didn't come. I tried to call him again and again and

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again and by, like, three o'clock in the late nights, his phone was

:41:23.:41:29.

switched off. I tried to call to my mother-in-law. He was with my

:41:30.:41:32.

mother-in-law that time. Her phone was switched off. I was a little bit

:41:33.:41:36.

worried. I was thinking that maybe the battery was down. But nobody,

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like... Everyone's phones were switched off. I called to my

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father-in-law in London, that time he was here. I asked for him, where

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is my kid? Where are all the family members? You said, I don't know,

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they must be in Pakistan. But after 12-macro hours I called immigration

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at the airports, I told them I am looking for my baby. They told me

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that these persons had left Pakistan. So not only had he

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abandoned you but he had abducted your child? Adapted my child, and

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took my travel documents as well. -- abducted my child. Well. Radhika,

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you have worked with Sabah, you have brought her to the UK and reunited

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her with her child. That does not always happen, does it? That is

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right. Southall Black Sisters were able to help Sabah and help her come

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back into the country. In a sense, although Sabah's situation is

:42:50.:42:53.

entirely tragic, she is lucky in the sense that many women are still

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stranded in countries like India and Pakistan, unaware of their rights,

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often separated from children and unable to access justice. How

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serious are the consequences for the abandoned wife? Enormous. In many

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communities there is a great stigma attached to being abandoned,

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separated or divorced, even against the will of the woman. She is often

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treated like an outcast, some people think are separated woman is a bad

:43:23.:43:28.

omen so they are ostracised from society, left destitute, traumatised

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and stripped of their rights. Why are British Asian men doing this?

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Some of the research from the University draws parallel between

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the number of women who have suffered diarrhoea abuse, which

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Sabah suffered. Dowry abuse, it is a very old custom, not just limited to

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South Asia, but it typically involves the family of the bride

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giving gifts, sometimes cash, gold, sometimes land, to the bride's

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family. To the groom's family. Forgive me, to the groom's family.

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Historically that is because women had very few inheritance rights, so

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it was in place of those. But what seems to be happening in a lot of

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cases is that these abandonment cases are a way of the groom's

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family extract in many macro and gifts from the family of the bride.

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Abandonment does not happen out of context, it happens in the context

:44:27.:44:31.

of domestic violence. Sabah was treated very badly by her in-laws

:44:32.:44:35.

and husband, treated at times like a servant. Even when she was pregnant

:44:36.:44:41.

she was treated very badly. Sadly, these families are essentially

:44:42.:44:45.

discard women, they trick them into going to their home countries and

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leave them there. Sabah realised very quickly what had happened to

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her, but some women rely on reassurances from their in-laws and

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their husbands that say, we will come back and get you. Southall

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Black Sisters has a proposal to bring abandonment under the umbrella

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of domestic abuse legislation in this country. Why would that stop

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men from doing this? A number of reasons. Abandonment has all the

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features of domestic violence, emotional abuse, financial abuse,

:45:16.:45:20.

controlling and coercive behaviour. One thing that recognising it as

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domestic violence would do is send a very powerful symbolic message that

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there is growing awareness of this issue and there will not be impunity

:45:29.:45:33.

for the perpetrators. The other massive difference it would make two

:45:34.:45:41.

women in the position of Sabah is that state agencies like courts,

:45:42.:45:43.

immigration authorities and international authorities would have

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to protect them, as they protect other domestic violence survivors.

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The courts would need to afford them the same protection and rights. If

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your marriage breaks down in this country as a result of domestic

:45:55.:45:58.

violence and you have insecure immigration status, you may be

:45:59.:46:02.

entitled to apply for indefinitely to remain. So it would afford women

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protection of immigration position. Because what typically happens is

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that women whose spousal visas are about to expire, that is when they

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are abandoned. Despite calculated. Once they are abandoned, their

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status in this country disappears, it is enormously difficult for them

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to come back. Thank you both for talking to us.

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Logging on and logging in - anyone who users the BBC's iPlayer

:46:32.:46:35.

will have to get a personal account from early next year.

:46:36.:46:37.

We'll be looking at how it will work.

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If you're a black man in Britain you're 17 times more likely

:46:40.:46:42.

to suffer from serious mental health condition than if you're white.

:46:43.:46:45.

It's a startling statistic and it led blogger and radio DJ Keith Dube

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to make a film for the BBC to investigate why.

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His film Being Black, Going Crazy goes live

:46:51.:46:52.

I'm Keith Dube also known as Mr Exposed. I'm a blogger and I host a

:46:53.:47:05.

breakfast show on one of London's newest radio stations. Please call

:47:06.:47:09.

in today. We want to hear your experiences. Behind the microphone I

:47:10.:47:14.

used to have a big secret. I was diagnosed with depression a few

:47:15.:47:17.

years ago. It was the hollow feeling of worthlessness. And there is times

:47:18.:47:21.

when you're supposed to be happy and you can't feel happy. That's when I

:47:22.:47:25.

realised that something is really wrong here. It was a horrible

:47:26.:47:29.

experience. It was very confusing because black people don't do

:47:30.:47:32.

menltal illness, it is not something you grow up hearing a lot about. Why

:47:33.:47:37.

did I get depressed? When I was younger I was obsessed with money

:47:38.:47:40.

and status and I broke the rules to get it. Over time, that lifestyle

:47:41.:47:44.

impacted more and more on my state of mind.

:47:45.:47:52.

I think my lowest point was when I was continually waking up thinking,

:47:53.:47:55.

"I don't want to live anymore." For over two years, I didn't utter a

:47:56.:48:01.

single word about my depression to anyone, I was too ashame but then I

:48:02.:48:09.

decided to out myself. I wrote a blog and closed my laptop and went

:48:10.:48:14.

to sleep and then I woke up and I had a crazy amount of messages from

:48:15.:48:20.

people. And I realised there were people going through the things that

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was. After that response, I started to look into black mental health and

:48:25.:48:30.

what I found shocking. I was 17 times more likely to be diagnosed

:48:31.:48:33.

with a serious mental health issue. That's scary and I'm six times more

:48:34.:48:37.

likely than a white man to be an inpatient or sectioned to a mental

:48:38.:48:42.

health hospital. Want to find out what's going on. I want to find out

:48:43.:48:46.

why black people are more likely to end up with a mental illness, what's

:48:47.:48:49.

the cause and what can we do about it? What can we did to stop it np

:48:50.:48:59.

it? Even though I struggled with my depression for years, I was lucky

:49:00.:49:03.

that I never had to be admitted to into a mental health unit. But every

:49:04.:49:07.

year, thousands of black people do end up here, and many of them are

:49:08.:49:12.

detained against their will under the Mental Health Act.

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I want to find out why and how this is happening. What kind of

:49:19.:49:25.

conditions do those people come in here with? Schizophrenia,

:49:26.:49:32.

depression, anxiety, psychotic depression. How does your assessment

:49:33.:49:37.

process work? We have two assessment rooms. It is just soft chairs, the

:49:38.:49:43.

patient normally stays here with their relatives, with the police and

:49:44.:49:46.

sometimes we need the police to stay, we need to search the patient

:49:47.:49:50.

and we need to search their bag if case they have any sharps, we don't

:49:51.:49:55.

want them to harm themselves. A lot of black patients feel like they are

:49:56.:49:58.

treated dimply from their white counterparts. Is there any truth to

:49:59.:50:03.

that? It happens, but I wouldn't say on the whole that's what the staff

:50:04.:50:08.

do. As a black woman, would you be worried about coming through the

:50:09.:50:13.

mental health system? Maybe if I didn't have any knowledge of mental

:50:14.:50:17.

health I probably would be worried. I would be worried about going

:50:18.:50:23.

anywhere because I have so many things, being a black woman. To find

:50:24.:50:30.

out just how it feels to be sectioned, I'm meeting Kameta. She

:50:31.:50:34.

has been in and out of hospital since 2010 and suffers from bipolar

:50:35.:50:39.

disorder, a condition where your moods can swing interest one extreme

:50:40.:50:43.

to another. How did you find yourself here? My first admission

:50:44.:50:51.

was in 2010 at the birth of my son. So after I gave birth it was quite a

:50:52.:50:56.

difficult birth, I lost two litres of blood and I went home and tried

:50:57.:50:59.

to relax, but I wasn't fully recovered. So my mum thought

:51:00.:51:04.

something was wrong. I then went to a GP and when I was at the GP

:51:05.:51:09.

apparently they, no one from the early intervention team was

:51:10.:51:14.

available so they called the police. So five policemen came into the GP

:51:15.:51:18.

and held me down. Physically held me down to the floor because no woman

:51:19.:51:22.

in their right mind is going to give up their six-month-old. Wow, how did

:51:23.:51:26.

that make you feel at the time? Words cannot describe the pain,

:51:27.:51:30.

yeah. Even now I have a lot of pain. What's your experience been like

:51:31.:51:33.

since then? How many times have you been in hospital? About three to

:51:34.:51:37.

four times I have been to hospital. I felt it is like taken a chunk of

:51:38.:51:44.

my life away and it just made me so frustrated at times, yeah. I try to

:51:45.:51:48.

do too much and if I do too much then I can become unwell again and

:51:49.:51:52.

then be back in hospital, you know, because with me I get manic

:51:53.:51:56.

episodes. I don't get depressed, I just get manic. It is not easy, but

:51:57.:52:02.

thank you very much. Thank you. My heart goes out to Kameta for what

:52:03.:52:06.

she has been through, but I have no idea if she would be treated any

:52:07.:52:11.

differently if she was white. How normal is experience is this for

:52:12.:52:14.

black people getting sectioned? Twice a week I host a show on

:52:15.:52:18.

internet radio and I want to ask my listeners what they think. We will

:52:19.:52:21.

be talking about plaque mental health because I think it is

:52:22.:52:25.

something that's very, very, very slept on. We have got an amazing

:52:26.:52:30.

guest on the Show today. He is a sky doll gist, I will be spaking to him

:52:31.:52:34.

and seeing what he has seen in his 25 years in the mental health

:52:35.:52:37.

industry. Good morning. Tell us about you and what you do. At the

:52:38.:52:42.

moment I manage mental health services. We look after around 450

:52:43.:52:49.

people with severe mental illness. We have got a caller on the line.

:52:50.:52:54.

I'm actually a carer for my mum. My mum has been sectioned quite a few

:52:55.:52:58.

times, but it has always been something where the sectioning has,

:52:59.:53:01.

well in my opinion been very unreasonable. Were you given support

:53:02.:53:05.

to understand what was going on for your mum? Not really. The way the

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sectioning works, for example if someone reports someone, they will

:53:10.:53:12.

section first and they will explain later. That's not how the Act is

:53:13.:53:16.

supposed to work. We must work with families. You are the people who are

:53:17.:53:21.

closest, you are the people who have the most information. I would

:53:22.:53:24.

encourage you to not accept that, demand that the family are more

:53:25.:53:27.

involved. That's not something that's easy to talk about so we're

:53:28.:53:34.

grateful for your input. We are 17 times more likely to be dmougsed

:53:35.:53:37.

with a serious, you know, mental condition. When I look at the

:53:38.:53:43.

picture across Britain, it is pretty bad. You are more likely to be

:53:44.:53:47.

diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia, you are more less

:53:48.:53:51.

likely to get any talking treatment. You're much more likely to be held

:53:52.:53:54.

under compulsion of the Mental Health Act. You're going to be

:53:55.:53:58.

sectioned. You're going to be locked up and you'll get higher doses of

:53:59.:54:01.

medication, it is pretty rough. Why is it that black people are

:54:02.:54:05.

diagnosed? Why are we put in that box? Black people when they go for

:54:06.:54:09.

help are generally seen as more dangerous so they are more likely to

:54:10.:54:14.

get a more severe diagnosis. It is shocking to hear someone who

:54:15.:54:18.

works in mental health say we're seen as more dangerous and it goes a

:54:19.:54:21.

long way to explaining the stats. And you can see the whole

:54:22.:54:27.

of that 30 minute film from 10am this morning,

:54:28.:54:30.

online, on BBC3. From today, seven million of us

:54:31.:54:33.

who've registered to use BBC services such as the iPlayer will be

:54:34.:54:35.

asked for our postcode. Why? What are these reforms about?

:54:36.:54:44.

Well, I suppose it is a TV licence for a digital age. Gone are the days

:54:45.:54:48.

of the family crowding together around a small TV on a Sunday

:54:49.:54:51.

evening watching variety shows. These days people want to watch,

:54:52.:54:55.

especially the younger generation, what they want, when they want on an

:54:56.:54:59.

increasing range of devices. The problem for the BBC has been the

:55:00.:55:03.

iplayer loophole, anyone watching us live would have to pay, if you watch

:55:04.:55:07.

us on catch-up, you wouldn't have to pay necessarily the licence fee.

:55:08.:55:10.

That's changed. Since the start of this month, you do have to have a TV

:55:11.:55:15.

licence to watch at any time on iplayer. This is the start of a long

:55:16.:55:20.

process of enforce that. Users of BBC services can already have an ID,

:55:21.:55:25.

BBC ID, it is just an e-mail and a was pord, but that's going to change

:55:26.:55:28.

to a postcode will be required as well. And from 2017 all this will be

:55:29.:55:34.

mandatory. It has been voluntary and it will be mandatory. So will the

:55:35.:55:39.

information be passed to TV Licensing? The Corporation says the

:55:40.:55:44.

rules are working. 130,000 prosecutions a year. You could be

:55:45.:55:48.

fined up to ?1,000 and you could face jail if you refuse to pay up.

:55:49.:55:52.

So far, seven million of us have signed up for the licences. So the

:55:53.:55:56.

carrot approach at the moment is working, but don't rule out the

:55:57.:56:00.

stick being wielded at some point. They say they will be handing this

:56:01.:56:04.

information to TV Licensing and it could be used for enforcement.

:56:05.:56:07.

Is this also a way then for the BBC to get more information, to gather

:56:08.:56:12.

more information about its audience? Absolutely. It wants to personalise

:56:13.:56:18.

content. Lord Hall said it today by learning what you want and what you

:56:19.:56:21.

like, we can take you to more of the great programmes you love. This

:56:22.:56:24.

happens in our daily lives anyway, when you are on social media and

:56:25.:56:29.

reading an article online, things pop up at you, so things will be

:56:30.:56:33.

working like this, you like there, you might like that, but behind this

:56:34.:56:37.

is money. The BBC, is under huge pressure, financially they will have

:56:38.:56:40.

to start funding the licence fees for over # 5s, that will cost ?650

:56:41.:56:44.

million, they need it make money. This is about personalising the BBC,

:56:45.:56:48.

but making sure you do pay for it. Thank you very much, Mar drrks,

:56:49.:56:50.

thank you. Boris Johnson is in Turkey. He hopes

:56:51.:57:03.

for a new trade deal. We would have brought you his press conference

:57:04.:57:06.

live, but there wasn't an English translation. Boris Johnson saying he

:57:07.:57:11.

hopes there will be a new jumbo free trade deal between Britain and

:57:12.:57:13.

Turkey. Thank you for your messages. On Sam

:57:14.:57:27.

Allardyce Ian says, "These football managers are paid a fortune. If the

:57:28.:57:32.

allegations are true, it would be sheer greed." This texter who

:57:33.:57:36.

doesn't leave their name says, "Here we go again, our press destroying

:57:37.:57:41.

the England manager. We don't need our country's scouts to spy on our

:57:42.:57:45.

football team, our press will do it for them." So it is OK for people to

:57:46.:57:50.

pose as businessman in an attempt to set him up, that's disgusting." On

:57:51.:57:57.

Sir Terry Wogan, the service begins at Westminster Abbey to remember his

:57:58.:58:01.

life. Daniel says, "Best ever BBC presenter. He was dry, he was wit yu

:58:02.:58:10.

and self dep pravating. God bless the TOGs, I bet he's loving the

:58:11.:58:13.

after life party." Thank you very much for those.

:58:14.:58:20.

Tomorrow we have a report on the gaming industry about women seeking

:58:21.:58:28.

to earn a living in live gaming. Behind the genteel facades

:58:29.:58:32.

of Victorian London's streets,

:58:33.:58:36.