20/10/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

It's Thursday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

In the final TV showdown before America votes

for its next president, Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton

trade angry insults over each other's fitness to govern.

It is an open discussion. He says... He is unfit and he proves it every

time. He is the one who is unfit. Also today:

Are victims of stalking being let down by the criminal justice system?

We'll talk to two women about their experiences

and why they think the law should be strengthened.

And as this year's Bake Off finalists are revealed,

we'll talk to former winners about how to create a show-stopping

If you've been a victim of crime, we'd like to hear how

you were treated by the police and the courts because we're

going to talk in the next few minutes to two

and who were treated poorly by the criminal justice system.

They want the Victims Code to be strenghtened.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

In the third and final Presidential debate of the US election campaign,

Donald Trump hinted he might not accept the result if it goes

During the 90-minute debate in Las Vegas, Mr Trump

and his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton accused each other

of being unfit to be the next President.

They clashed on a range of issues including gun control,

We'll be live in Las Vegas in a moment.

First, this report from our correspondent Rajini Vaidyanathan.

It was straight down to business for Hillary Clinton

And it didn't take long for the debate to veer

Donald Trump repeated his claim this election will be rigged.

You will absolutely accept the result of this election?

Every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction,

he claims whatever it is rigged against him.

When he did not get an Emmy for his TV programme three years

in a row, he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged.

At times it got nasty, as Donald Trump hurled insults

at Hillary Clinton, and she was forced to defend

the work of the Clinton Foundation she and her husband run.

The suggestion from Donald Trump that he may not accept the results

of the election is an extraordinary claim in an already

There are less than 20 days until polling.

Given those comments, this fight could last much longer.

And here are a few more of the key moments in those clashes. We have to

have strong borders. We have to keep the drugs out of our country. Right

now, we are getting the drugs, they are getting the cash, but we have

some bad hombres here and we need to get them out. I don't want to rip

families apart, I don't want to send parents away from children, I don't

want to see the deportation force the Donald has talked about. I don't

know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we get along well, that

would be good. If Russia and the United States got along well and

went after Isis, that would be good. It is pretty clear, you won't admit

that the Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the United

States of America that you encouraged espionage against our

people. Those stories are all totally false, I have to say. I

didn't even apologise to my wife who is sitting right here because I

didn't do anything. I asked Bernie Sanders, and he said campaigning for

me around the country, he is the most dangerous person to run for

president in the modern history of America. I think he is right. You

will accept the result of this election? I will look at it at the

time. I have made the cause of children and families my life's

work. That is what my mission will be in the presidency. We are going

to make America great again, and it has to start now. We cannot take

four more years of Barack Obama, and that is what you get when you get

her. Life to Washington, and our correspondent Laura Bicker. The

moment when Mr Trump said he might not accept the result of this

election is what has got everyone talking. It is still being talked

about on US networks now right into the small hours of the morning. Why?

Because it goes to the heart of America's Constitution. The

elections are free and fair and there is a peaceful transfer of

power. Mike Pence, Donald Trump's running mate, said at the weekend

that he would accept the result of this election. His own daughter said

that they would accept the result of this election. Now reporters are

running after every leading Republican saying, are you going to

accept the results of this election? And of course they say yes. But

their candidate has not said that on stage, so it looks embarrassing for

the party, and it looks like Donald Trump is at odds with what the party

is trying to say. The other problem is for Donald Trump is he is trying

to place himself as this antiestablishment figure, a bit

different from Washington, he says he will clear up Washington, and he

wants to in his words make America great again. But many people leave

that the one thing that makes America great is its democracy, so

to undermine that on the debate stage tonight is quite a faux pas.

Have commentators been able to say who they think won this debate? Snap

polls are saying Hillary Clinton. But it is early days. There could

have been embarrassing questions about leaked e-mails that instance

which suggested she wanted open free trade open borders, but she managed

to sidestep every difficult question, she managed to stay

poised, and that is all she needed to do because she is ahead in the

polls. Whereas Donald Trump got riled, he had a very good first

half, very good 35 minutes, and then the insults started coming, he

called her a liar, a nasty woman, he suggested that the women who have

come forward saying they have been groped by him are either Clinton

campaign stooges or looking for attention, and he accused the media

of poisoning the voters. So all of these things came fourth when he

needed to try to be different, he needed to try to stand out and give

a killer blow tonight try to narrow that gap. He didn't do that. Thank

you very much, Laura Bicker in Washington. Time for the rest of the

morning's news. Martine is in the BBC newsroom.

Thousands of gay and bisexual men who were convicted of sexual

offences which have since been abolished are to be

The announcement honours a Government commitment made

after the Enigma codebreaker, Alan Turing, was pardoned in 2013.

He was convicted of gross indecency in 1952 and later killed himself.

Those living will also receive a pardon after applying

to the Home Office to have their names cleared.

MPs are expected to get a chance today to debate

whether the former owner of BHS, Sir Philip Green, should be

BHS collapsed earlier this year with the loss of 11,000 jobs

and a ?571 million hole in its pension fund.

Sir Philip is due to meet the pensions regulator by the end

of the week to try to agree a deal over the deficit.

Theresa May will attend her first EU summit since becoming Prime Minister

Mrs May, who will trigger Brexit talks by the end of March,

is expected to tell her counterparts that she wants a "smooth,

The summit comes as the Government faces growing pressure to give

Parliament a vote on the UK's negotiating principles.

Two by-elections are taking place in England today.

Residents of Witney in Oxfordshire are choosing a new MP

Voting is also taking place in Batley and Spen in west

Yorkshire, where the seat has been vacant since the killing of the MP,

A full list of candidates in both by-elections can be found

The European Space Agency is due to give an update shortly

about the fate of a probe it was attempting to land on Mars.

The signal from the Schiaparelli lander disappeared just before

Satellites have attempted to shed light on the probe's status,

Many young people are so bad at maths they're struggling

to manage their finances, pay their bills and choose

the best energy tariff - that's according to an education

National Numeracy is suggesting that lessons should be learned

from computer games to challenge attitudes towards maths,

and that too many pupils leave school without the number skills

When you think about maths in school, it is often about complex

But what you normally need in daily life is the opposite.

It is about simple maths in complex situations.

It is a false assumption that one leads to the other.

We think that is at the heart of the problem.

13 more child migrants are heading to Calais today. Yesterday the

Government fended off questions about the age of some of the

migrants after criticism that some looked older than 18. A former

suspect in the Stephen Lawrence murder enquiry is among ten British

fugitives named as the most wanted in Spain. Jamie Reckord wanted on

suspicion of conspiracy to supply cannabis is on a wanted list.

Fugitives are also wanted on suspicion of murder, child sex

exploitation and drug trafficking. The wife of former Premier League

manager Harry Redknapp has been injured after she became trapped

in their car door as he drove away. Mr Redknapp's wife Sandra reportedly

got her foot trapped in the car door as he pulled away after dropping her

at the shops in Bournemouth. She was said to have been dragged

along the road, injuring her foot. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. This just in:

Thousands of post office workers will go on strike on October 31,

that is the week after next, in a dispute over the union, the CWU,

over jobs, pensions and branch closes. We are going to talk about

how you have been treated if you were a victim of crime. One viewer

wrote in to say that despite having one incident captured on dash cam,

she has yet to be taken seriously, and has had to move to another part

of the country to escape a stalker. I appreciate that not all contact

with the Criminal Justice Act and is negative, so if you have had a

positive experience, do get in touch.

And not a good night for Pep Guardiola on his

It wasn't. We would talking about how much he was looking forward to

returning to the Nou Camp, he was revered there because of all the

trophies he won with them not so long ago, but he took his Manchester

city team back there for the first time in the Champions League, and it

didn't go well at all. Claudio Bravo, a goalkeeper who he stole

from Barcelona, he did this to try to keep out Luis Suarez, saving a

good 15 yards outside the box. He was sent off by that time to a

Lionel Messi goal. That was his hat-trick, and he scored 37 hat

tricks for Barcelona. Unbelievable. They won 4-0 in the end, Neymar also

had time to miss a penalty before scoring their fourth, Barcelona

three wins out of three. Pep Guardiola said he didn't know how to

tell his players to stop Messi. Also in Group C, Celtic are now bottom

because they lost at home to- zero two Borussia Monchengladbach, Kolo

Toure fessed up. Much better news for Arsenal, though. A big win at

the Emirates, 6-0 they beat the Bulgarians. They did score some

lovely goals, the first of them from Alexis Sanchez, and talking about

hat-trick Umag, 37 for Lionel Messi, Mesut Ozil, that was his first

career hat-trick. Three fight him, Theo Walcott, Alex

Oxlade-Chamberlain also got on the scoresheet, and a great win for

Arsenal gives them every chance of getting out of that group.

And England's cricketers are playing their first test against Bangladesh

in Chittagong, how are they doing? Alastair Cook rushed back after the

birth of his child, he hasn't been in the country for very long at all.

It is his 134th Test cap, but he didn't last very long at all. He

only made four, and it is all down to the spinners. Bangladesh have

been all over England. Ben Duckett, he didn't make very many either,

making his debut at the top of the order. Hassan, the 18-year-old

spinner, making his debut for Bangladesh, he has taken three

wickets, including Joe Root for 40. Ben Stokes is the latest to fall,

England really struggling. 154-5, Moeen Ali just hanging on. He has

been given out three times but has used the review brilliantly, and has

made a half-century and salon. England struggling on that first

day. More from Olly throughout the

programme. A woman who was stalked for 12 years

is going to the House of Lords to try to get more

rights for victims. Claire Waxman will speak to peers

today, alongside other victims, to raise awareness of changes

she wants to be made to the Police and Crime Bill,

which will then be debated The mother of two wants the current

Victims' Code of Conduct, which sets out the services

and information victims of crime are entitled to from the police

and courts from the moment they report a crime

to the end of the trial Claire is here alongside

Anna Hemmingfield whose ex-partner was found guilty

of stalking last year. Before we speak to you both,

here's what Shingai Shoniwa, the singer from the band

the Noisettes told us last week about her experience

of being stalked and why she feels I think that, you know, things can

be put in place and things really need to be tightened

because stalkers steal lives. It is literally like murder

in slow motion. It is a sinister kind

of personal terrorism And as not just

the victims, but also advocacy services

like Paladin and Alex, everything we're lobbying

for is hopefully sending the message out

there that that kind of behaviour And you cannot go around

stalking and trying to kill people from the inside out

slowly and completely shut down that world because it just

won't be tolerated. It's nothing that I would

wish upon anybody. The description of murder in slow

motion, would you agree? Absolutely, stalking is a serious crime but

today is about victims' rights of all crime types. Stalking, domestic

violence victims, they get a tough journey through the justice process,

but so do many other victims of crime as well we speak to. From your

experience of the criminal justice system what do you experience that

motivates you to pursue this? Because I was in the system 12 years

I was honoured loop going through the process again and again and the

failings will stop from the first moment I reported the crime to the

police, how they laughed at me, made me feel small and a nuisance that I

left the police station in tears, to getting to court and the CPS

ill-equipped to ask the right questions, not having the paperwork,

adjournments, it took 18 months and it's a huge impact on the victim. 18

months to wait the closure of your cases a long time, your life is on

hold, you cannot recover from the crime and the failings of the

justice system exacerbates the trauma of the victim. We want to put

a stop to it by giving victims rights, so they are able to complain

and get the process moving, as opposed to waiting as a bystander.

We will talk about the specifics that you will talk to the House of

Lords about. Hello, thanks for coming on the programme. Your

ex-partner was taken to court for alleged stalking, but that first

case collapsed, was thrown out, why? The first case was alleged

harassment and it was thrown out because on the day, no evidence was

presented to the CPS by the police. Why? Apparently they requested it

time and again. Both authorities blame each other, both saying it is

their fault. I have had letters. It was devastating. I found out on the

day. I was not told it was acquitted. And a good few months I

thought if he carries on we have a log, we did not have a log, the

whole evidence of recordings and witnesses was lost. Just to be

clear, I think people will be surprised it goes on, you turn up on

the day that your ex-partner is going to face the criminal justice

system and because of some kind of miscommunication between the police

and Crown Prosecution Service due to prosecute him that day, the evidence

has not been delivered? The evidence did not make it and I was not made

aware until we were in the room waiting to go into court and

somebody came in and told us it had been dropped. It blew my world. I

thought, how can this happen? You do feel like a nuisance sometimes when

you report it. I was told when I reported it in the morning, why are

you reporting it so early? I suffer with anxiety and everything that

happens, it is important it gets dealt with, because I was single, on

my own, and I felt vulnerable. Is it common, that kind of

miscommunication so that a judge has no option but to throw it out

because there is nothing to go one? It is one of the reasons I set the

group up. I was told I was unlucky and wanted to find out if I was

unlucky or whether it was the system but the evidence is overwhelming, we

have spoken to hundreds of victims and their failings across the board.

It has a massive impact on the victims life and on justice. Going

to the acquittal, we got a response from the CPS. They are sorry, it was

the failure of the police to provide the required material. You talk to

the police, they blame the CPS. They say if the trial had proceeded and

the defendant convicted, you and your children would have secured

more protection. That is the issue, there is nobody to help, interject.

What we propose is a case companion, someone to guide the victim through

the process, keep them updated, says Anna would have been informed what

happens on her case and why, and give routes to the dress and

complain and remedies. The victims' code is not legally enforceable and

the entitlements are very nice, set out, they sound positive but do not

work in practice because they have no statutory footing. The harassment

continued. There was a second trial and your ex-partner was convicted of

stalking and given a suspended prison sentence, a supervision and

restraining order, hours of unpaid work, and required to attend a

building better relationship scores. He immediately appealed, has he had

to carry out the sanctions? They were put on hold until the appeal

went ahead, which took a year, to make it back to court and for a

year, my life was put on hold. There was behaviour that continued and I

felt I was trapped in the dark. I could not see a way. It was

devastating. Those delays and the length of time a victim waits for

justice, is that common? Absolutely, I had it on my case, waiting 18

months for my stalker to be sentence. There were three

adjournments. Every time he turned up to court, paperwork was missing

and someone would blame another agency. It has a massive emotional

impact. It is bad enough trying to cope with the crime and have the

agency not support you and help you get justice, it is awful, you are a

victim again. As Anna described, she went to court, was brave enough to

give evidence, he was found guilty. He has every right to appeal, but

where is the victims right to say, this has been adjourned twice, it

has gone on for a year. When she arrives at the hearing she is given

the wrong statements to read through and she cannot refresh her memory.

In that process you often look around the court room and the police

and you feel like it is a farce. You cannot believe it is going on, but

it does. This is common across the board. You have talked about your

idea you will suggest to peers today a case companion, someone who would

be alongside you, letting you know what has happened and why, so that

you feel you have the information at an earlier stage. What else do you

need to change? We have victim support, that should be providing

that role, but it does not go far enough, so that is what we offer

with a case companion. The right to complain, at the moment, if someone

breaches and entitlement on the victims' code you get one of these

letters and if you are not happy you have to go to your MP, present your

case, and they take it to the ombudsman. It is such a lengthy and

complex process victims will opt out. Most victims will not do that

because they are exhausted from the process. We are giving them rights

to appeal and rights to refuse. If a prosecution is dropped, a victim

within the code has a right to have it reviewed but the reviews are not

happening. There is an issue because the code is not legally enforceable.

We want to enforce those practices and to see agencies trained. A

cultural shift in attitude towards victims, to stop the victim blaming

attitude, the prejudice that stops victim is being able to access just

as easily, the discrimination, unnecessary delays. We are proposing

a ground rules hearings so victims are able to meet prior to the

courtroom experience to understand what they will go through and the

judges able to exercise control. We have seen too many cases, of victim

is being exposed to awful bullying tactics and trauma in the courtroom.

We want victims to come forward, if we want them to have confidence, we

need to support them through it. We have the terrible case two ago,

Francis, who committed suicide after giving evidence in her court case

because it was so traumatic. It is a terrible ordeal, being in court. We

need ground rules hearings to help the victim and I think you will get

a debtor quality of prosecution and evidence if we support them better.

There might be some who think, you cannot coach alleged victims ahead

of the case and that might be a worry about the ground rules. It is

not coaching, it is to give an understanding of what will come and

allow the judge to exercise control, so if it is getting out of hand on

sensitive cases there are ground rules they can keep two so it does

not affect the victim in such a traumatic way. Judges can intervene

if they think things are getting out of hand now. That is not happening.

It is putting it on a legal footing so it is enforceable. The code needs

to be enforceable and there are rights and entitlements that need to

be on their as well. Is it possible to describe the impact of what you

were subjected to and also the compounding of the experience by the

delays and mess ups from the criminal justice system? It is very

devastating. I did suffer with anxiety quite badly. I am on

medication because I have to take antidepressants just to keep me

going sometimes because it does get all consuming. It becomes your life.

I am always wondering, what is he going to do next, what is going to

happen? I dread letters coming through the door because of the

continual use of the court system and everything else. It does happen

that someone alleged to have perpetrated a crime against you,

people then come up with counter allegations. That is quite common.

We see it a lot now. It is an escalating problem. King, harassment

victims. Something we call it -- stalking victims. People going to

the police to make false allegations, they do it as a way to

harass victim is further. It is an imported area we will shine a light

on in the future and try to address. Let me read messages from people

listening to you. This tweet, I am currently helping my daughter get

through her experience from a stalker, great support so far but a

long wait for sentences. I am two years divorced, I was

dragged out of my bed at 5am and fall sleep arrested for a third time

on a malicious allegation made by my ex who has a criminal record, says

another. In my experience the authorities seem to aid and debt

stalkers to keep on abusing. This text, I was 13 when I was groomed

and stalked online by someone. The police were amazing in helping me

with the case and even though there was not enough evidence to go to

court the police keeping contact each year to let me know if any new

evidence has been found and I am OK. I am now 22. A positive story,

fantastic care from the police. There are some good prosecutors,

lawyers, police officers, but if enough people have a poor

experience, it will set you back. It is a postcode lottery, not

streamlined across the country. In some areas you have a brilliant

service with the police and CPS and victim support care, which is

amazing. We are hearing the negative side, too many cases where there are

failings and this is why we need to have the amendments, legislating

victims' rights so there is a gold standard service that Keir Starmer

who we worked with on the bill, said we should be providing. He is a

former Director of Public Prosecutions, now an MP. Thanks.

The Ministry of Justice told us that every victim deserves the best

possible support to help them cope with what they have

Still the three years ago, Enigma code brick Alan Turing was pardoned.

long after his death - for gross indecency

Now thousands of gay men who were convicted of

similar offences back when gay sex was illegal -

are to receive posthumous pardons from the government.

Whyte we will talk to one of those men who is being offered a pardon.

And we will talk to two former winners of the Great British Bake

Off. Donald Trump has refused to say

whether he will accept the result of the vote in the Arican elections. He

repeated his claim that the election was rigged. Are you saying that you

are not prepared to accept the result? I will tell you at the time.

I for 1am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two

major parties would take that kind of position.

13 more child migrants are heading to Calais today.

Around a hundred in total are due to arrive before

Yesterday the Government fended off questions about the age of some

of the migrants after criticism that some looked older than 18.

Thousands of post office workers will strike on October 31 in the

second strike by staff, and the union has not ruled out further

action in the run-up to Christmas. Theresa May will attend her first EU

summit since becoming Prime Minister Mrs May, who will trigger Brexit

talks by the end of March, is expected to tell her counterparts

that she wants a "smooth, The summit comes as the Government

faces growing pressure to give Parliament a vote on the UK's

negotiating principles. Many young people are so bad

at maths they're struggling to manage their finances,

pay their bills and choose the best energy tariff -

that's according to an education National Numeracy is suggesting that

lessons should be learned from computer games to challenge

attitudes towards maths, and that too many pupils leave

school without the number skills When you think about maths

in school, it is often about complex But what you normally need in daily

life is the opposite. It is about simple maths

in complex situations. It is a false assumption that one

leads to the other. We think that is at

the heart of the problem. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Time for the latest sport.

Manchester City lost 4-0 to Barcelona in the Champions League

last night. Lionel Messi scored a hat-trick at the Nou Camp. In the

same group, Celtic lost 2-0 at home to Borussia Monchengladbach.

Mistakes from Kolo Toure led to both of the goals. Arsenal are top of

their group after making very easy work of the Bulgarian side. They won

6-0, Mesut Ozil with his first career hat-trick. And a half-century

from Moeen Ali has rescued England against Bangladesh on the first day

of their test in Chittagong. They are currently 173-5 approaching tea.

They had been 20-3 early on. I will be back at ten o'clock with a famous

freestyle footballer. We will have to see what happens

there! Thank you, Olly. We will look

forward to that. It won't be all about Brexit when Theresa May

travels to Brussels today, but talks of it will dominate. How big a deal

is this, Norman? It is a big deal. Most of the other EU leaders don't

really know her. She is a new Prime Minister. They haven't really had

much chance to get a sense of the sort of person she is, so at a basic

level, the dinner tonight is getting to know you, when she can try to

present herself. She will say, hello, this is the kind of person I

am, and it matters, because so much of politics, particularly in

difficult negotiations, comes down to personal chemistry and how you

get on with people. So that is one part of why this meeting matters.

The second part is, she will try to reassure other EU leaders, because

there is a good deal of apprehension about what Brexit will mean, how

tough it will be and whether it will be a fist fight between Britain and

the rest, and she will try to reassure them and say, this can be

done in a calm and reasonable and ordered way, we don't have to knock

the living daylights out of each other. Brexit can be good for

Britain and it can be good for the EU, and what she means by that is

that because we are leaving, she will argue, the rest of Europe can

get on with what they want to focus on, in other words closer

integration, trying to sort out Greece, and they needn't worry about

Britain grumbling and groaning from the back of the queue looking for

opt outs, saying they don't want to do that. So it is a message of

reassurance, so it is hello, I am Theresa, and don't worry, Brexit

will be fine. And had other leaders feel about Britain leaving? They are

worried partly because there is a danger that Brexit will eat up a lot

of their time when they have an awful lot else on their plates. They

have the whole problem of what they do about President Putin, how they

deal with Russia. They have a huge migration crisis to deal with. They

still have Greece lurking on the horizon. The European economy is

slowing down. So they have a lot on their plate, they don't want to be

spending forever and a day wrangling with the Brits about Brexit. But the

second thing that worried about is whether other EU countries take a

look at Britain and say they got quite a good deal, why don't we get

out? So what they are worried about is that Brexit becomes a green light

for other unhappy nations, and potentially leads to the break-up of

the EU, so there are big stakes for Theresa May here, but also big

stakes for other EU leaders, to. Norman, thank you very much.

A former suspect in the Stephen Lawrence murder inquiry is on a list

of British fugitives named as the most wanted in Spain.

Jamie Acourt, wanted on suspicion of conspiracy to supply cannabis,

is among fugitives wanted on suspicion of murder,

child sexual exploitation, and drug trafficking,

It comes after the agency warned the UK may lose access to vital

The Operation Captura list marks ten years of tracking

Let's speak to Roger Critchell, Director of Operations

for Crimestoppers UK who's in Malaga launching today's campaign.

Tell us more about some of the most wanted ten men on this list. Good

morning. As you say, we have just relaunched tenet knew wanted

fugitives, some really nasty people, one in particular wanted for a

serious assault in Scotland, paralysed his victim. With a

machete. Two wanted for child abuse images, and one in particular, a guy

called Carruthers is wanted by Cumbria police. He had when he was

raided by police 3552 images, some of which were quite explicit sexual

acts between and children. So they are dangerous people. And they are

all in the SPAIN? We at Crimestoppers are independent of

local authorities, and we can guarantee anonymity, we don't trace

calls and IP addresses, that is why we get so much success, we believe.

So are they hiding in the British expat community out there? Yes, we

believe that they are here because they are hiding among the community,

and you may see behind me, we have people who can tour around showing

people images, and this goes into their backyard, so the pressure is

on, and the heat is on for them. And the last time you did something like

this, did it yields results? Yes, last year were released ten, two

gave themselves up, and two were arrested back in the UK. But so far,

over the ten years, 86 have been launched, and 76 have been caught.

Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you.

The Government is keeping its promise to pardon thousands

of gay and bisexual men who, like Enigma codebreaker

Alan Turing, were convicted of now abolished sexual offences.

The announcement honours a commitment given following

a Royal Pardon for Turing, who was prosecuted and

It seems incredible now, but homosexual acts were illegal

in the UK until 1967, and even then they were only

decriminalised for over 21-year-olds.

For most, today's announcement will mean a posthumous pardon.

Those men died without ever being cleared.

But some of the men who were turned into criminals - simply

because of their sexuality - are still alive.

They'll now be able to apply to have their names cleared.

One of them is 93-year-old George Montague.

He's a World War II veteran who was arrested back in the 1970s -

and he's seen over the decades how hard things have been to be gay

but also how things have slowly changed for the better.

Thank you for talking to us. How are you? I am fine, thank you. How do

you react to this news that you are going to be pardoned? The only way I

can put it is that I am going to throw a spanner into the works. A

big spanner in the works. Everyone is talking about a pardon. Why? The

law was brought in by the Victorians in 1885. What did they know? What

did anybody know in those days? They brought in a law which applied only

to two men doing whatever. Whatever any body else does. The way I was

put it, I am born, only able to be in love with a man. I married a

woman and I loved her, but it was impossible to be in love with her.

So in what way are you throwing a spanner in the works? You are not

accepting this pardoned? Why are we getting a pardon? You only give a

pardon to people who were guilty. What will we guilty of? Nothing. We

did nothing. Heterosexual people could do what they liked. In shop

doorways, the backs of cars, in the woods, anywhere. It didn't apply to

them. Why should it apply to ask? The law of gross indecency is a

total in justice. And therefore, there is no crime. Do you want

something instead of a pardon? And apology. Just pure and simple, and

apology and ape posthumous apology starting with Oscar Wilde, Alan

Turing, thousands of others and me. And apology. For the quite

understandable, very understandable misunderstanding of heterosexuals

who find it impossible to understand, sexuality. I wonder if

you could give an insight to our viewers for what it is like to have

to hide your sexuality because homosexual acts are illegal, and

then to be prosecuted for it. Well, it was horrendous. And what you had

to do was what I did. You become a bit of an actor, and you are very

careful, and you don't let anybody see or know anything. All you do is

meet other people who I like yourself. The only place you could

do that in a small country town and villages with no Internet, nothing

at all, and if you didn't meet someone, and discover that you

weren't the only one, you would probably go mad. So what we did, we

used to meet in the local what I call, refusing to call a public

toilet, that sounds bad. But the gents side of the gents toilet,

there were only other men in there. And very occasionally if you were

lonely, you just went along, and you often didn't do anything at all, but

you could with your eyes see someone, and you could talk to them

with your eyes without anybody knowing anything. But the police

became aware of that, and what they did, which is what we mainly want

the apology for, is they weren't getting any arrests because we were

very discreet. They have holes drilled. They were called cottage

because they were like a cottage with a pitched roof and aloft, and

the police would get in the loft with holes and look down, and

frequently later on they saw nothing, so what do they do? They

take the youngest, prettiest looking policeman in the station, not gay,

not in uniform, send him in and he would tempt, smile at people,

provocative. That is what we need an apology for more than anything.

George, thank you very much, and I wish you all the best. Thank you for

talking to our audience this morning. Wonderful.

He is clear, he wants an apology. Still to come:

MPs get the chance to have their say on whether or not Sir Philip Green -

former head of collapsed retailer BHS - should be

We'll be speaking to two former BHS workers and two MPs who'll be

Millions of viewers were gripped because of the semifinal of the

Great British Bake Off. Free baking challenges stood between the four

contestants and a place in the final. Let's see how they got on.

Today you're going to have to embrace your French side!

What Paul and Mary would love you to make, 24 savoury palmiers!

I do enjoy making pastry, it's just sometimes things

in the tent go differently to how you expect.

A bit of rivalry going on here!

Set the timer for about eight minutes.

I was a little worried your salmon flavour wouldn't come

But it is only the outside that's crisp.

Now, for your technical challenge, Paul and Mary would like you to make

I think it's going to be hard for the chocolate to set properly.

The cream is melting, it's so hot.

You have to keep the cream as cold as possible.

There's a little bit in the middle.

Today, Paul and Mary would love for you to make 36 fondant fancies.

I'm calling these my Philharmonic fondants.

I'm going to do orchestra players and then a choir

So this will go into that hole?

And the juice will go down like a drizzle?

I'm making my sponge again because Mary made a comment,

That means she's going to be looking for air pockets.

Can I just say, I'm loving your fondant straddle.

The bake is over, step away from your bakes, please.

The genoise is peeking through where the icing isn't even.

The sweetness is there but then the tang coming in is beautiful.

Both of them you have gone simple which, in a way, is a good idea.

I know this is a really hard week for anyone to leave.

And so it is with incredible sadness, that this week

I'm using this as an excuse to get very, very close to you, Selasi.

Let's talk to two former Bake Off winners - Edd Kimber,

who came out on top in 2010, and Jo Wheatley, who

I think Selasi was probably the weakest last night. It was not the

people I predicted to be in there. But the show works in such a way if

you do not do well on the day, you do not get through and you cannot

argue with the result. You were watching that and you were pleased

you did not have to make the fondants fantasies. They are fine if

you can make them the day before and freeze the cake and a firm, but

having to the fondant on, that was really mean. What do you make of

this series? What I find interesting is when people talk about it, they

are almost not talking about the contestants this year, it has been

overshadowed by the backstage drama which is a shame for the contestants

because it has been a really good series, but almost nobody is talking

about it any more. Let's talk about them. All bringing something

different to the final, who was your favourite? I love and truth. They

are all great but he has been consistent and gets on and does his

thing without too much fuss. I totally agree, he was somebody I

thought from day one would be in the final. He has been consistent all

the way through and that is the most important thing, because in the

final, there is consideration through the show, so I think Andrew

is top choice. Some people are not mad on him because? People have told

me they do not like his personality, which I don't get. He reminds me of

me almost when I was on the show. He clearly cares and he is passionate

about what he does and takes it seriously. Anyone who has been in

the kitchen with me, I am similar. I want to ask you what it is like

filming a normal episode compared to filming the final, what are the

differences? It was karma for me. Because you are losing people as you

go on and so in the final for me, there were two benches. The camera

crew and presenters and judges are not there all the time because they

are six hour challenges and so a lot of the time me and the other

finalists were there on our own, just baking along and it was oddly

calm. I found you have done the whole journey, so you had achieved.

I had no perception of winning. I thought I was lucky to make it

through each week. When we got to the final I had really calmed down

and I think I baked the best I had through the whole series. Because

you had achieved so much by reaching the final? I thoroughly enjoyed the

final. That probably helped. Doing the final show stopper masterpiece,

as someone who cannot bake, I cannot imagine that kind of stress. For me

it was the first time I allowed myself to think I might win because

I have never allowed myself to think I would get to the final or even win

but waking up the morning of the final, was a moment of, OK this

might happen. I had nerves, but the intensity of it, I was making

afternoon tea for 30 people and halfway through I cut myself badly,

so there was stress, but it was an enjoyable process. I was there with

a really good friend and said as difficult as it is it was a nice

occasion. Who will win? I think Andrew. Betting has stopped on

Candace. That normally indicates they think she might win. I think

Andrew should win. He is my favourite. I did want Benjamina to

win originally. We have discussed this before. What

do you think about it moving to Channel 4 with Paul Hollywood? I was

not someone who thought no one else could make the show. The BBC has

done an incredible job and it feels naturally at home on the BBC but

Channel 4 make great food shows. I was more upset when Mel and Sue left

and Mary left because it is like taking bricks out of a wall and

those three are important to the show. I think it could still be

good, but we will not know until they announce the new people and

whether they gel in the same way as this four because it is a unique

relationship between them which makes the show brilliant. When you

knew Paul Hollywood would go to Channel 4, what did you think? I am

pleased he is staying with the show. He is the anchor that we can relate

to that is the same show and I think the basis of the show will still be

there. It might even be better and surprise everybody. We will see.

Thanks. The final next week, of course. Still to come.

Donald Trump blames Hillary Clinton for drumming up sexual assault

allegations against him. Before that, the weather. Hello we

have a mixture of weather today. Over the next couple of days it is

quiet, but there are little differences. We start by looking at

these pictures. This is North Yorkshire. Travelling south,

beautiful skies. In Guernsey. Finally, another lovely picture from

Cornwall. Again, a little bit of missed this morning. That has

cleared for many and we are looking at a dry day, but there are showers

coming in from the East and some have drifted further west than

expected, getting into Wales and Cumbria. In the west they could hang

on until the afternoon. Light in the east and in the east a brisk

north-easterly wind, accentuated the chilly feel. There will be sunny

spells and the best of the sunshine in the west. Drifting across

southern counties, Hampshire into the south-west. You might catch the

odd shower in Wales in the afternoon. In Northern Ireland,

looking at sunshine as we are across much of Scotland. The weather quiet

with nuances. In northern England, one or two showers as we sweep down

towards the Midlands and into the south-east corner. Through the

evening and overnight, the wind will ease that there will be showers

around. Clear skies and so a cold night tonight than the one just

gone. Looking at some frost. These are the temperatures. In towns and

cities. Lower in rural areas. As well as Apache frost we are looking

at patchy fog and tomorrow it will be slow to clear in some areas.

Tomorrow if anything, we will have more sunshine. A light breeze coming

in from the east. Blowing in showers, a lot of those will be

coastal. We will also see some later in the day across north-east

Scotland. No great shakes, but if you are out of the wind, in the

sunshine, it will feel pleasant enough for the time of year. On

Saturday, the wind is strengthening coming in from a north-easterly

direction and if you are walking along the shoreline, you will feel

cold. Further west, into brighter skies and the wind will pick up and

temperatures around 10-15. As we head into Sunday, we have low

pressure winding its way slowly towards us. We might see rain later

on Sunday into Monday coming up from the south, but again it will feel

colder in the easterly wind. So quite a bit going on with the

weather. Thanks for your comments, including

George Montagu. Sophie says George Slade it and an apology is deserved,

not a pardon. And this e-mail, I just wanted to say, as a gay man, I

enjoyed your conversation with George Montagu. Speaking to a living

person affected by that law was an eye-opener and it filled me with

dread even though that is not a time we live in any more. I agree, why

pardon someone for doing something that was not wrong in the first

place? An apology is essential. We have comments from you about

stalking and the conversation we began the programme with, that

victims of crime are let down by elements of the criminal justice

system. Andrew says, stalking, and awful crime. Our daughter suffered

with an anonymous stalker but the police in Bristol were excellent,

eventually arresting the offender. Support given by them at all stages

of the process and afterwards. So there is good practice in some

parts. This text from Julie, currently being harassed and for the

last six years. Relentless and no end in sight. They using the civil

courts to continue. Samantha said she had been to court with an

abusive extern stalker. The court did not hear 999 evidence tapes and

the police refused to view my evidence and he was let off. The

system seems to be biased towards men. Keep those coming in and we

will read more in the next hour. Hello. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Coming up: Business as usual in the final TV

showdown before America votes for its next president

as Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton trade angry insults over

well practically everything. Including President Putin. From

everything I see, he has no respect for this person. That is because he

would rather have a puppet as President. No puppet, you're the

puppet. Here: MPs will debate today whether former

owner of BHS Philip Green should still be a Sir or should be

stripped of his knighthood. We talk to BHS workers who've

lost their jobs. And missing after a Friday night out

RAF gunner Corrie McKeague hasn't been seen for almost a month,

despite extensive land Nobody can just disappear. I know

that. But nothing. Not one person can give us anything, and that just

doesn't make sense. Martine is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary Good morning. Donald Trump has

refused to say whether he will accept the result of the US election

in three weeks. During the final debate, the pair clashed over

relations with Russia, gun control and abortion rights. Mr Trump

repeated his claim that the election was rigged.

Thousands of Post Office workers are to strike

in a dispute over jobs, pensions and branch closures.

Members of the Communication Workers Union will walk out

It will be the second strike by staff and the union has not ruled

out further action in the run up to Christmas.

13 more child migrants are heading to Calais today.

Around a hundred in total are due to arrive before

Yesterday the Government fended off questions about the age of some

of the migrants after criticism that some looked older than 18.

Thousands of gay and bisexual men who were convicted of sexual

offences which have since been abolished are to be

The announcement honours a Government commitment made

after the Enigma codebreaker, Alan Turing, was pardoned in 2013.

Those living will also receive a pardon after applying

to the Home Office to have their names cleared.

But George Montague, a World War II veteran

who was arrested in the 1970s for being gay, says he wants

Why? Why are we getting pardons? What are we guilty of? Nothing,

absolutely nothing. Heterosexual people could do what they like, in

shop doorways, in the backs of cars, in the woods, anywhere. It didn't

apply to them. Why should it apply to us? It is wrong. The law of gross

indecency is a total injustice. George Montagu.

The European Space Agency says it does not know if a probe

it was attempting to land on Mars survived.

The signal from the Schiaparelli lander disappeared just before

Satellites have attempted to shed light on the probe's status,

That's a summary of the latest BBC News more at 10.30.

Thank you very much. Here is another e-mail on stalking and how you have

been treated by the Criminal Justice Act on. David says this, as a man of

60 I was stalked and harassed by a neighbour, and despite police

involvement, video evidence etc, little was done. Eventually a

community protection notice was given to him, but even then he

didn't stop, and when I contacted police again, I was brushed off,

being told it was a low-level crime and wouldn't get caught so they

wouldn't do anything else as they were too busy dealing with other

crimes. If you want to send an e-mail, you are very welcome.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Time for the sport with Olly. We saw some wonderful goals last night in

the Champions League. Lionel Messi scored his 37th hat-trick for

Barcelona as they thumped Manchester City at the Nou Camp 4-0. I wonder

whether Messi and co-learned anything from a few previous

meetings over the last few months. With the F2 freestylers, one half of

which is Jeremy Lane. An Internet sensation, I'm sure all kids out

there, I have seen you do your stuff, you are everywhere, 100

million views a month, which is incredible, you have just been

telling me. And for stuff like this. Barcelona invited you down to see

you as well. That is your partner in crime, Billy. You have really taken

off with what you can do. It is incredible how far it has come so

quickly. We have blown up on the Internet. This was us when we got

invited by Barcelona to go and train with Barcelona, so for us, this is

like a dream come true. We made a video of it, put it on you Tube, it

went viral, and that is just one of many videos. He did that first time,

by the way. We said, don't worry if you miss. It is incredible, the

things we get to do, honestly. And Lionel Messi was involved as well.

If we have a look at some of your videos, as well. A lot of putting

balls in the bin. Do you get them out afterwards? Bellows of expensive

footballs in bins? We usually make sure that the bin is empty or there

is something clean in there. It is just an Internet trend called bin

shots that we lashed onto, and we put examples on there. Kids love it.

So we have made a few videos of incredible ways to get a ball into a

bin. And that is what we do. We make amazing content consistently, and

that is how we have got to the point where we have a social reach of 11.4

million, we get 100 million views per month across our social, it it

is incredible and we are very lucky. You started with dreams to be a

professional footballer, came through the Arsenal academy, and

this will inspire kids to get a ball at their feet as well. Definitely.

We got into the tricks so young and had such incredible opportunities

from such a young age, they were too good to turn down, so we ended up

going with the flow with the tricks, let's see how long it lasts. And to

this day, we are still riding the wave and it has been an incredible

journey. But what it is a testament to is that to kids that might not

make it in football, there are other avenues in the game where you can

make a career and still be involved in the beautiful game. You have had

some of the top players around the world, we have seen a couple of them

are Barcelona, they are the very top when you are looking at Suarez and

Messi. Have they got all of your tricks as well? Do you think that

the game could benefit from seeing a few of these things on the pitch

during the match? Or would they get crunched? You do stand to get

crunched if you do tricks in the game. Messi doesn't need to. He is

the greatest example of how, he doesn't do any tricks ever, but a

little drop of the shoulder at the right time and he is unbelievable,

quick travelling skills. He doesn't need tricks, he is Lionel Messi.

What we do is entertainment, it is different things. I would love to be

able to get on the pitch and do what Messi does, we are good but I don't

know if we are that good! Jeremy, thank you very much, and say hello

to Billy as well. A world-famous freestyle footballer!

Olly, have you had a go? You haven't tried to kick a football into a bin?

I probably have, but I don't think I would get close!

Thank you very much. Next, Donald Trump shocks commentators again by

refusing to say whether he would accept the outcome

of the US debate on November the 8th if he loses. He and Hillary Clinton

traded blows over 90 minutes unless Vegas, their last trade-off of the

campaign. But he is thought to have done

better in that debate. We welcome the Republican nominee

for president. We have to have strong borders, we have to keep

drugs out of our country. Right now we're getting the drugs, they are

getting the cash, but they have some bad hombres here, we have to get

out. I don't want to see the force that Donald has talked about. I

don't know Putin. If we got along well, that would be good. If Russia

and the United States got along well and went after Isis, that would be

good. He has no respect for her, no respect for our president, and I

tell you what, we are in very serious trouble, because we have a

country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1800, by the way,

and she is playing chicken. From everything I see, Putin has no

respect for this person. He would rather have a puppet as President.

No puppet. It is pretty clear you would admit that the Russians have

engaged in cyber attacks against the United States of America, that you

encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to

spite the Putin line, sign for his wish list, break-up Nato, do

whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him

because he has a very clear favourite in this race. I think that

this is such an unprecedented situation, we have never had a

foreign Government trying to interfere in our election. The

stories are all totally false, I have to say that. I didn't even

apologise to my wife who is sitting right here, because I didn't do

anything. I didn't know any of these women, I didn't see these women. The

woman on the plane. I think they want either fame or her campaign did

it, and I think it is her campaign. Because when I saw what they did,

which is a criminal act, by the way, where they are telling people to go

out and start fistfights and violence, and I tell you what, in

particular in Chicago, people were hurt and people could have been

killed in that riot, and that is all on tape, started by her. I believe

that she got these people to step forward. If it wasn't, they get

their ten minutes of fame. But they were all totally, it was fiction and

lies. Bernie Sanders, who he is supporting the president, he has

said you are the most dangerous person to run for president in the

modern history of America. I think he is right. She should never have

been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did

with e-mails and so many other things. There is a tradition in this

country, that peaceful transition of power, no matter how hard forte

campaign is, at the end of campaign, the loser concedes to the winner.

Not saying that you are necessarily going to be the loser or the winner,

but that the loser concedes to the winner and the country comes

together for the good of the country. Are you saying you are not

prepared now to commit to that? I will tell you at the time. I'll keep

you in suspense. Let me respond to that, because that is horrifying.

Every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he

claims whatever it is is rigged against him. If you go with what

Hillary is saying in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip

the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of

the baby. Now you can say that that is OK, and Hillary can say that that

is OK, but it's not OK with me. Because based on what she is saying

and based on where she is going and where she has been, you can take the

baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month. On the

final day. And that's not acceptable. That is not what happens

in these cases, and using that rhetoric is just terribly

unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I have met

with, wherein I have known over the course of my life. This is one of

the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make.

And I do not believe the Government should be making it. Thank you and

good night. Who won? We asked to political

commentators t the Politico news site

who was at the debate in Las Vegas and from Washington Anneke Green,

a senior director The White House Group.

My prediction was Donald Trump would be more aggressive than the previous

two but that did not come to pass. He was on message, particularly for

him. We have moments where I think he reverted to the type of behaviour

he would expect, interrupting her. He said -- she said he was a puppet

of Putin and he said she was the puppet. Overall, he was very

disciplined and on message and she did a great job as well and did not

really rise to any of his attacks, interruptions. Was there a knockout

blow from either of them? I would not say necessarily a knockout blow.

I agree Donald Trump was more disciplined, he was calmer,

especially at the beginning. It started to unravel towards the end

as he began to interrupt more and talk about things, he was missing

opportunities to hit back on Hillary Clinton. She had good moments and

did what she needed to do in this debate and the talk among the

reporters, afterwards, was that this pretty much helped her clinch the

presidency and even the New York post, run by Rupert Murdoch, which

tends to be right-leaning, said as well. Donald Trump did not do

anything so fantastic that maybe would have changed momentum for him

but he also did not make him go any worse than what he is doing now. I

wonder, Donald Trump saying he might not accept the result of the

election, does that help or hinder him when it comes to voters? I think

it helps him with his bass and his strategy has been to rally their

base. They assert 81% of Republicans are supporting the number need

whereas 87% of Democrats are supporting their nominee said if

they can get more Republicans to support the nominee they think that

is a passive victory. Saying he will not lie down and accept the verdict

if he believes there is corruption or it is raked, as he was saying, I

think it is in keeping with that strategy. Do you know what he means

when he says he thinks it is raked? What is he referring to? He said it,

he is referring to photo fraud, he keeps referring to instances of four

examples Chicago, in history, where politicians helped alter elections

in some way. He is talking about rigging elections, as much as he is

trying to spin it that the media is in cahoots with the Clinton

campaign. He is talking about voter fraud. He is encouraging supporters

to go and watch the polling to make sure nothing nefarious is going on,

despite the fact there is evidence pointing to very little if any voter

fraud. But this is how he has talked of this entire election cycle. When

it is not going in his favour he says it is raked. The information we

have is a lot of reporters and politicians, including Republicans,

saying this is one of the basic foundations of the American

democracy, the peaceful transition of power and if Donald Trump says he

does not know whether he will accept the result, it could lead to unrest,

and could be not a very pleasant time in the US come election day

should he continue to act that way. Who will win? At this point the

polls pointing to a Hillary Clinton win. It looks like one reason I

think Donald Trump's opportunity tonight to say these allegations are

baseless, I did not attack these women, at least gave him the chance

after the second debate to reiterate his claims of innocence and least

have his voters hear that so if there is any chance for him to

narrow the gap between himself and Secretary Clinton I would say that

is where it is going to be but at this point she is six points ahead.

A final thought from you, has this election campaign debased US

politics? I think it has exposed a lot of the dirty undercurrent

currents of US politics that have been around for a while. If you...

People talk about the hypocrisy of politicians and how a lot of times

not necessarily paying attention to issues and how a politician has been

standing on things. This election has exposed that. It has exposed a

lot of uncomfortable sentiments amongst a certain group of people

for how they feel. People feeling maybe the United States has moved

past, there are elements from and high Semitism, to fears about

immigrants. I myself have been directly targeted by people who are

anti-Semitic, telling me to go back to Israel. Not in any election I

have covered have journalists experienced this type of vitriol

before. Thanks for your time. We really appreciate it.

Should the former boss of BHS, Sir Philip Green, be stripped

of knighthood for his part in the High Street store's downfall?

Sir Philip sold the chain for just one pound, leaving a half billion

He's been accused of "systematically plundering" the company which once

Today, MPs are set to debate whether he should be

stripped of his knighthood, which he was awarded in 2006

But is this symbolic gesture of any help to those who have lost out?

Here to discuss this are two MPs who have been the most

outspoken in their criticism of Sir Philip Green.

Iain Wright for Labour and the Conservative Richard Fuller.

We also have a former employee of BHS, Mark Dadson in Newcastle

What is this discussion about stripping him of his knighthood? It

is a wider discussion, the sorry tale of British home stores and how

because of greed and mismanagement and incompetence we have now lost

11,000 jobs and 20,000 pensioners might lose entitlements. There are

stories and lessons to be learned in regard to corporate governance in

terms of how companies are governed and what needs to be put in place,

what checks before you buy and sell companies. It is the biggest

corporate scandal in something like a decade but there are lessons to

learn. There will be a vote on stripping Sir Philip Green of his

knighthood, what is the point of that, especially as it is a vote not

binding? Parliament does not have the power to remove honours but it

is important representatives take a view and I think symbols matter. You

said in the opening remarks, he got the knighthood for services to

retail. What the report into BHS showed, it showed he is not very

good at retail. He has not been innovative, not provided sustainable

success. BHS is one of the biggest failures on the high street we have

seen in recent times and on that basis should he have a knighthood?

Is it not a distraction from the serious working out of some kind of

deal with Sir Philip Green to make sure people like Mark get their

pensions? It is serious and it is not a distraction and we have

witnessed since the report a summer where employees in stores across the

country have lost their job and have had to find new work and at the same

time Sir Philip Green has oscillated between sending out QCs to protect

his position and saying he is very sorry, but not actually doing

anything. The honour system should be about honour, it is not about not

making mistakes, we make mistakes, but what does your moral code tell

you what you should be doing when things go wrong? Over the summer,

Sir Philip Green chose to take his ?100 million yacht and spend his

summer there. He did not choose to help mark or other BHS employees and

he has not chosen to make agreements with the Pensions Regulator. It is

not a distraction. Mark, you worked there ten years. You will not

receive your pension for some time because you are only 40 but tell us

your concerns. I have heard absolutely nothing, nothing from the

official regulators, the store, absolutely nothing, so I am left in

the dark and I do not know if I get my pension, how much it will be,

what it is worth. As far as I am concerned, this incident has not

happened. You invested a lot? About ?40,000. What do you make of the

vote is set to be taken today by MPs about whether Sir Philip Green

should be plain Philip Green? It is symbolic. The greater debate is how

can we learn lessons so it does not happen again? So people like myself

do not have the worry or heartache about wondering about their

pensions. I saved and 17 in the pension scheme, only to have the rug

is taken from underneath me and not knowing what will happen next, yet

he could easily bridged the pension deficit by writing a cheque and I

cannot understand what the delay is. I do not understand. He is a

multimillionaire. Is it as simple as Sir Philip Green writing a cheque to

fill in the shortfall? What is stopping it? What is stopping Sir

Philip Green resolving this? Our law about companies, we allow people to

have tremendous freedom to look after their employees, people who

supply their companies, customers, on the expectation they will do the

right thing and leaving employees of British home stores like Mark in the

dark, that is not the right thing. It is as simple as Sir Philip Green

making that deal happen. Philip Green is seen as a consummate

deal-maker. He has bought and sold companies worth billions of pounds

at a weekend. If he has the mind and will to do something, it happens

quickly. He came before the committee in June and said he would

sort it. We are discussing this in October. As Richard said, no

progress has been made. As Mark said, he has not heard anything. Is

that reflective of somebody who wants to sort this? He needs to get

his cheque-book out. Is it possible he could be really hacked off with

the way British politicians have insulted him? Boo-hoo. He is meant

to be bigger than that, a professional businessman. There is

important, Richard is spot-on, and doing the right thing for mark and

tens of thousands of others like Mark is the right thing we want to

see business people do. You might be provoking him into not doing the

right thing in having a pointless vote on whether he should be

stripped of his knighthood. I use the word pointless advisedly. The

have no power to strip him of his knighthood. This is symbolic. This

is the first time I think about whether Parliament had a few about

whether someone should lose their knighthood. Having a knighthood

should mean you act honourably and I do not think it is pointless that

parliament, the opinion of the people'srepresentatives are that Sir

Philip Green is not acting honourably and with the evidence of

our report into British home stores, it says he should no longer be

continue to be called Sir fourth services to retail which he got the

knighthood for. I think the manner in which BHS was sold and managed

and ultimately led to thousands of jobs being lost and pensioners

losing out on entitlements, I think that has been dishonourable. And to

use polymer's right to discuss matters of public opinion and say, I

am not going to have progress, and Mark will miss out because of that,

I think is disgraceful. I would like to think, despite evidence to the

contrary, that Sir Philip Green is better than that. He should be

taking into account the views and wishes of Mark Rather than trying to

play games with Parliament. Why couldn't you have offered this

before? The company could be saved. If he is happy to raise hundreds of

millions of pounds, why was it not done before the collapse of BHS? If

that happened, jobs could have been saved and there could be stores on

the high street now. As I understand it, the only way he can be stripped

of his knighthood is if your boss Theresa May makes a recommendation

to the onerous forfeiture committee. It is the other way round, the

committee -- the ons onerous forfeiture committee. Parliament do

not want people to be subject to a mob and talented. I do not think

that is the case here. This I think is Parliament expressing a view to

the committee and they will look at Sir Philip Green in around and we

are giving our view on his performance on British home stores

which in my view he should not be called Sir Philip Green. Thanks for

coming on the programme. And to Mark, who worked for BHS for ten

years and is worried about his pension. Coming up, space scientists

have given an update on the red planet probe landing. Did it land?

We speak to the president of the Mars Society. And also, an RAF

gunner has not been seen for almost a month after a Friday night out.

His mother tells us she believes somebody knows something about the

events surrounding her son's disappearance. Nobody can just

disappear. I know that. We are doing letter drops. The public of England,

it is everywhere, getting behind a page we have got. We have 30,000

people following it and desperate to help, but nothing, not one person

can give us anything and that does not make sense.

Time for the headlines. Donald Trump has refused to say whether he will

accept the result of the US presidential election in three

weeks. During the final debate with rival Hillary Clinton, the pair

clashed over relations with Russia, gun control and abortion rights. Mr

Trump repeated his claim that the election was rigged. I will tell you

at the time. I'll keep you in suspense. I for 1am appalled that

somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take

that kind of position. The mother of an RAF serviceman who went missing

more than three weeks ago says she believes her son is still alive.

23-year-old Corrie McKeague vanished after a night out in Bury St Edmunds

early in the morning of September the 24th. His mother has told this

programme that nobody can just disappear.

A serious case review into the death of a baby girl and a dog attack says

police should have taken stronger action after a complaint about the

animal by a vet. Mother and grandmother of six-month-old Molly

Mae Rob Spring admitted being in charge of a dangerously out of

control dog last month. The report also said health care and other

professionals were too ready to believe the child's mother and did

not ask about the dog. Molly Mae was killed at her home in

Northamptonshire in 2014. Thousands of Post Office workers are to strike

in a dispute over jobs, pensions and branch closures. Members of the

Communications workers union will walk out on October the 31st. It

will be the second strike by staff, and the union has not ruled out

further action in the run-up to Christmas. That's the latest news.

Join me for BBC newsroom live at 11 o'clock.

Thank you very much. Some more e-mails from you, talking about the

pardon being offered to gay men who were effectively criminalised for

being gay men. Racers, I was a good-looking 20-year-old copping

decades gone by and was regularly sent out in plain clothes in

cruising areas to entice gay men into carrying out acts and then

arrest them. I was gay. But the message that was sent was how wrong

being gay was. It kept me in the closet until I was 44. I eventually

came out at that age and now live retired in Brighton. Irene says it

was so moving listening to George Montagu, and says she completely

agrees that a pardon is an insult, and compounds the supposedly

wrongdoing. Yes, an apology is appropriate. And Anthony agrees,

there was no crime, so the pardon doesn't count. Time for all the

latest sport with Ollie. These the headlines this morning

Manchester City lost 4-0 to Barcelona in the Champions

League. Lionel Messi scored

a hatrick at the Nou Camp. In the same group, Celtic lost

2-0 at home to Borussia Mistakes from Kolo Toure

leading to both goals. Brendan Rodgers' side now sit

bottom of that table. They made easy work of Bulgarian

side Ludogorets winning Mesut Ozil with his first career

hat-trick. And a half century from Moeen Ali

has rescued England against Bangladesh on the first day

of their first Test in Chittagong. But he has just fallen for 68. Jonny

Bairstow is going strong, approaching his 50. And that is all

your sport this morning. There's still mystery surrounding

the fate of the Schiaparelli robot - scientists lost contact with it just

before it was due to land Here is the European Space Agency

official answering questions from David Shukman. What is the

likelihood that the land is in one piece? We don't know. Andrea said

that we have a lot of data, and... ? I think it is very difficult to say

the likelihood now. We are not in a position to say this now because we

don't have any data, so we are still processing the data of the descent.

From the surface we have no data at all.

The President of the Mars Society in the UK, Jerry Stone, joins me

It is a tale of two halves. The orbiter is in perfect orbit and can

carry out its science programme and will be in a position to relay data

from the Mars rover that the ESA still plans to send to Mars in 2020.

But for the lander, we don't seem to have confirmation that it has landed

successfully, and they received some data. We know that the heat shield

worked correctly, we know that the parachutes worked correctly, but

once the parachute was released on the rocket engines fired, they only

receive data for just a few seconds, and at the moment we don't know

precisely what has happened. At the suspicion is it smashed into Mars.

That is what a lot of people are thinking. We don't know whether the

engines failed or whether the failure was purely in the

communications, and it continued its descent. At the moment we still have

to wait, and they will continue to analyse the data that they have, and

there are two craft in orbit around Mars, Mars express, the European

craft, and the Mars reconnaissance orbiter. And as they continue to

pass over the landing site on future orbits, they will continue to try

and make contact with the lander. But as you say, quite rightly,

pointing out, the trace gas orbiter is still there, that has been a

success. What will that be doing? As the name suggests, that is going to

be analysing the atmosphere of Mars. And sending back information,

particularly one thing we are looking for is traces of methane. On

Earth, major sources of methane are volcanoes and cows. On Mars, the

volcanoes are all extinct, which is a shame, because they would look

spectacular if they were still active, and we have yet to detect

herds galloping across the plains, so cows are out. But another

possibility is that this is actually some form of chemical action, and

methane is being built up within the rocks. And the reason that we detect

it periodically could be that it is an interaction of the rocks and

warming of the planet as it goes around the sun that is causing water

flow is, or I is being crushed beneath the surface, and seeing some

reaction which is allowing the methane to escape. Thank you very

much, Jerry. The president of the Mars society. This just in from

Norman out whether -- at Westminster. He said MPs are backing

a motion to strips Philip Breedlove his knighthood. It is the first time

MPs have taken such a step to try to remove a knighthood from a member of

the public. 115 MPs now backing the motion.

How is it possible for an RAF serviceman to disappear and it

received barely any news coverage? On 23 September, Corrie McKeague,

a young RAF gunner was enjoying a Friday night out

with his colleagues. He hit the town in Bury St Edmunds

at the end of his weekly duties and was in high spirits

when he joined his friends The young serviceman left well

before closing time, He had had a couple of drinks and he

headed for something to eat. But despite saying to friends

that he planned to walk the nine miles back to his RAF base,

Corrie never turned up. He was seen on CCTV in the early

hours and his last phone signal was recorded at 4am,

yet his whereabouts remain Extensive land and air searches have

found no trace of the serviceman but his family believe someone

will have information that In their first national interview

I spoke to Corrie's mum Nicola On Friday the 24th, sorry,

the 23rd of September, Corrie went out with his friends

from 2 Squadron from RAF Honington. They had just gone out for a night

out, it wasn't an occasion. Just after one o'clock,

Corrie had left a nightclub called Flex and he is seen on CCTV,

he left on his own. He walked along to a local takeaway

shop and got himself a takeaway. When he was in the takeaway,

he was in a good mood, he was playing rock paper scissors

with a man that he didn't know He took his takeaway

out and there is CCTV That is Corrie when he's

got his takeaway and he's walking down to somewhere where he could sit

and eat his takeaway. He set down in a shop doorway,

I think it is called Hughes, He has then fallen asleep for two

hours, or just about two hours, He then wakes up, he had been

talking to his brother on the phone and a couple of other friends

as well, just before he had One of his friends, he had asked

for a photograph, it was just When he woke up at three o'clock,

about three o'clock, he then forwarded that photo

onto another friend. So to me it shows that he was

aware of time and place. He has then walked just a few yards,

you can see him on CCTV. He has had a drink but he has just

slept for two hours. He then walks down the street

and it is in an area called Brentgovel Street,

it's behind shops. It's a dead end, it doesn't go

anywhere, it's the back of the shops where their deliveries,

effectively in what is You can see him absolutely clearly

walk in there at 3:24am and you never see him

come back out again. The police have got so much CCTV,

they have still not been able to watch it all,

there is so much. But Corrie has not done

anything wrong, he is not trying to evade CCTV,

you can see him walking So it doesn't make sense that

you don't see him They have widened the perimeter

to look further out, just in case, because it is on a time-lapse

so there is an opportunity that They have widened it and got private

CCTV as well as council CCTV and not He is wearing a pink

shirt and white trousers. Even though it is three or four

o'clock in the morning, Tony, what are the possible

explanations as far I think before I mention

what they are, I think one of the immediately reported

possibilities was linked to an incident that had happened

a couple of weeks prior about 20 miles north at another base,

an RAF base near Marham where there was an attempted

abduction, linked to terrorism, of That is obviously still

an active inquiry. Obviously there was immediately

speculation that this The police assessment

is that this is not Now I have a background

in counterterrorism. I concur with that,

but that's only on one single item of evidence,

or lack of, which is the fact that And typically a terrorist

organisation seeks publicity. So that is the only reason why that

has been discounted as an option but clearly we must consider

all possibilities. That aside, I think it leaves us

three possibilities. One is that Corrie has

disappeared through choice. Another is that Corrie has

disappeared against his will. And the third one obviously is one

we don't want to contemplate, but there is the possibility that,

through whatever means, he's dead. And if you look at those

three possibilities, the one of disappearance by choice,

again, the way we have used the evidence to dismiss or reduce

the probability of terrorism involvement, we would use that same

logic to really dismiss the likelihood of him

going through choice. There is no preparatory evidence

of him being ready to depart, The time of the month he has gone

doesn't make sense, There is no obvious motivating

factor that would make him suddenly decide to disappear,

which only then leaves us those That leaves us the two remaining

options, if he's got into a vehicle, which could happen. Police have

looked at rotation cycles and it is possible a vehicle could have

skewered his exit from where he was but it would have taken the vehicle

and probably for him to be in it, but we do not know that's a certain,

it is one of those open items. And the appeal is, if you gave him a

lift for whatever reason, obviously you are now seeing the media, we

need to know. We need to know where you might have taken him. Third

option is something the police are working on now, which is the search

activity in the local area. It is a rural setting and a significant

perimeter. They are limited resources and I think with India by

Garrison at Aldershot we have expert resources we can bring to bear to

start covering that wide area. Do you think he got into that vehicle?

If you were talking about my other sons, they would be more risk

averse. They would think something like that through and they wouldn't

do it but with Corrie, he would make an informed choice. With Corrie, if

he saw somebody walking down the road and was in his car he would

stop and give that complete stranger a lift. Whereas the other boys, you

would think no, I do not know where that is.

When was the last time his mobile was used?

His mobile phone was used at eight minutes past three

That was the last time he physically used it.

It was part of an earlier conversation.

The way that, Tony would be able to explain it far

better than I could, but the way that they have

triangulated his phone it's from Facebook updating or other

apps updating as opposed to him actually using it.

And they know that it has left the area Corrie was seen

going into and they know that it has taken 28 minutes to get

from there to an area called Barton Mills,

That is how long it would take to drive.

So they know that it's not the case that he's walked.

When it's got to the Barton Mills area, it could have turned itself

There are so many reasons why it could have just stopped working

and it has never been picked up by another antenna anywhere.

It could have gone further than that area, but that is the last area

Is it your belief that he is still alive?

Honestly, so many people have asked me that question and absolutely,

the thought that he is going to come back in weeks saying,

you will not believe what has just happened to me,

But you need people to come forward.

I know that, I know that as a police officer, I know that you just

don't have any evidence and there is nothing.

So, you know, we are doing letter drops, the public of England,

it is everywhere, getting behind a page we have got.

We have got 30,000 people following it and desperate to help

and they are helping us deliver leaflets and Corrie's face

is everywhere in Bury and the surrounding area.

But nothing, not one person can give us anything.

Hopefully appeals like this will help.

Thank you very much for talking to us.

If you have any information which might be relevant,

please call the police incident room on 01473 782019.

That number can also be found on our website.

A couple of weeks ago on the programme we looked

at the injuries that some women sustain during

childbirth, and we had a huge response from you.

Up to 85% of women have some sort of tear during their

first birth - though the most severe tears only

Here's a reminder of the film we made with Debbie,

I must warn you, the injuries she describes are graphic.

This lasts just over a minute. She was fitted with a colostomy bag

after suffering a severe tear after giving birth to her son.

I tore, basically, from front to back.

There is a small area between your back passage and vagina

and that was quite badly torn all the way through.

So yes, I went for emergency surgery to try and repair that when we got

to emergency surgery it seems it has cut into my bowel.

Surgeons repaired the tear but Debbie was left with a small

hole between the wall of her vagina and her bowel.

I was passing wind uncontrollably through the vagina and every time

I went to the toilet, there would be faeces

I was constantly in the bath, constantly washing, causing

A number of attempts were made to repair it,

So Debbie was fitted with a colostomy bag.

to take spare clothes, scan the place for the nearest toilet.

For example, I was shopping in Asda, standing in

And the bag came apart from the side and I could feel it leaking

I had to kind of run and drag Kaden him kicking and screaming

behind me because he did not understand the urgency.

That has happened when I took him to school, it's happened

when I've been at work, so yeah, it affects

Loads of you got in touch to share your stories,