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The Conservatives hold o nto David Cameron's former | :00:09. | :00:15. | |
parliamentary seat in Witney, but their majority is slashed | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
Plus, former soapstar Tracy Brabin wins the seat left vacant | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
Remembering the Aberfan disaster 50 years ago, | :00:22. | :00:32. | |
when a mountain of coal waste killed 144 people, | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
Later today, the Prince of Wales unveils a memorial, we talk to one | :00:35. | :00:45. | |
survivor. What's life like for people living | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
under the Heathrow flight path? We've spent 24 hours with one family | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
to find out how loud the planes are and what an extra runway | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
will mean for them. This is a quiet cul-de-sac road I | :00:54. | :01:08. | |
will stay on for the next 24 hours, you cannot hear the traffic from the | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
main road, no tubes or railways, what you can hear is the constant | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
sound of those. Welcome to the programme, | :01:15. | :01:27. | |
we're live until 11 this morning. Also today - we'll have details | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
of new research which shows drinking just two cans of fizzy drinks a day | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
can increase your risk Drinks containing artificial | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
sweeteners can also Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:38. | :01:47. | |
we're talking about this morning. And if you text, you will be charged | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
at the standard network rate. The Conservatives have held | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
on to David Cameron's former seat The Tory party's share of the vote | :01:57. | :02:18. | |
fell from 60%, to 44%. Our correspondent is in Westminster, we | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
will talk about Batley Spen in a moment but a cut to the Tory | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
majority in Witney. The new MP is a local barrister, Robert Courts. The | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
most significant thing about this result is the fact if you look back | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
to the last general election when David Cameron took the seat with a | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
thumping majority, 60%, that is down to 45%. The party taking the credit, | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
the Liberal Democrats, who came second, pushing Labour into third | :02:46. | :02:55. | |
place. We should remember it was a very low turnout in this by-election | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
and the Liberal Democrats put in a huge amount of resources. The party | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
says this is a verdict on the government's approached the Brexit, | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
people signalling that they want a closer relationship to the EU than | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
the government has signalled. The Conservatives say that is not the | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
case and this is a great result, despite the reduced majority. They | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
say if you look back to when David Cameron was first elected to the | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
Witney, he got about 45% of the vote. The new MP in Tracy Brabin | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
Daesh in Batley Spen is Tracy Brabin, the main parties did not | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
contest that seat after the death of Jo Cox. Out of respect for Jo Cox | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
and her family, the main political parties did not contest it so the | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
New Labour MP is called Tracy Brabin, she was a friend of Jo Cox | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
and a former Coronation Street actress. She took a thumping 86% of | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
the vote, but also a low turnout in this by-election. And when she gave | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
her acceptance speech, she said that her victory was bittersweet. She | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
said she hoped Jo Cox would be proud that the community had spoken with | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
one voice and she said this had been a difficult experience for everybody | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
and the fact the by-election had had to take place was a tragedy for | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
everyone. Thank you very much. | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
Let's cross to the BBC Newsroom, with a summary | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
A minute's silence will be held to mark the Aberfan disaster. It's | :04:19. | :04:39. | |
destroyed a junior school and 116 children and 28 adults were killed. | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
Prince Charles will attend the ceremony in Aberfan and ceremonies | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
to commemorate the disaster will be held throughout the day. | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
50 years later, the memories as raw as ever. | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
Many long years have come and gone, but Aberfan keeps moving on. | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
On the eve of the anniversary, a community came to remember | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
what happened after one of the worst disasters of Britain's modern era, | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
Locals had raised repeated concerns about coal waste from the nearby | :05:04. | :05:12. | |
colliery being tipped onto the mountain above Aberfan. | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
In the October of 1966, days of heavy rain turned that waste | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
into slurry, and a subsidence on the morning of the 21st caused | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
an avalanche that crashed down into the village. | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
Bearing the brunt of the damage was Pantglas Junior School. | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
116 children died, along with 28 others. | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
One of the first on the scene was policewoman Yvonne Price. | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
When we were passing the dead children through, | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
one man just looked down, and just turned and looked at me | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
Oh, that was one of the worst things. | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
Today, commemorations will take place around the community | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
With a minute's silence held at 9:15am, the time | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
50 years on, this community still remembers a generation lost. | :06:03. | :06:19. | |
Two British warships are shadowing an aircraft carrier and other | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
Russian naval ships as they pass close to the UK. | :06:24. | :06:31. | |
A Russian tug believed to be in convoy is currently entering the | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
English channel off the coast and Ramsgate. | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
This is the Russian aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov, | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
passing through the North Sea believed to be headed to the eastern | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
If this is correct, this would be its first | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
And it could signal Russia is reinforcing its ability to strike | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
It comes as EU leaders at the summit in Brussels condemned Russia's | :06:55. | :07:02. | |
aggressive behaviour in Syria and beyond. | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
There has been broad discussion about Russia. | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
Leaders have criticised all sorts of Russian activities from space | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
violations, disinformation campaigns, cyber attacks, | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
interference into the political processes in the EU and beyond. | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
The carrier and its task force has been making its way | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
through the North Sea off the south-east coast of England | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
and is believed to be moving towards the English Channel, | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
shadowed by a Royal Navy frigate and destroyer, while the flotilla | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
Russia has currently paused its military operations | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
in Syria, but with the warships on the move, | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
there are questions over the country's next actions. | :07:45. | :07:55. | |
These are live pictures of part of that Russian task force now going | :07:56. | :08:03. | |
through the English Channel. Two British warships shadowing the | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
Russian aircraft carrier as they pass close to the UK. A Russian tag | :08:09. | :08:17. | |
is part of the task force, also in the English Channel, and the ship is | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
believed to be heading to the eastern Mediterranean and the Syria. | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
Armed militants have traded government buildings in Iraq. The | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
Islamic State group says it was behind the attack, claiming fighters | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
broke into the Town Hall and is took control of the Town Hall. The Iraqi | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
government and Kurdish forces are attempting to retake the IS | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
stronghold of Mosul. Theresa May says Britain intends to remain at | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
the heart of the EU until its departure. Addressing leaders at her | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
first summit as Prime Minister, she made it clear the UK would play a | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
full part in decision-making until Brexit process was completed. The | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she expected Brexit negotiations to | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
be rough going. Universities and student unions | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
should work together to tackle violence against women, | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
harassment and hate crime on campus. That's one of the recommendations | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
made in a report by Universities UK It also says there needs to be more | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
support for victims and better Alice Irving was in her second year | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
at university when she was raped. She says she didn't get the right | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
support at the time, which made an already difficult | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
experience even harder. I was kind of staunchly hoping | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
that it wouldn't change me, because I didn't want to give him | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
that power, but it has. Just your sense of bodily integrity, | :09:48. | :09:55. | |
and your sense of control over your own sex life, and all | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
of that is profoundly affected. And reclaiming that is a process, | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
and I still haven't figured it out. Today's report by Universities UK | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
looks at what more universities need to do to help those like Alice, | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
and others who face harassment It says there needs to be better | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
recording of allegations. Victims, too, should be given | :10:13. | :10:22. | |
more support, and... We are also recommending that staff | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
be trained so that they can provide the appropriate support | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
and advice to the student, confer them onto the special | :10:29. | :10:29. | |
services they need. And that training might include | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
a member of staff knowing that they are not the right person | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
to try and give that advice. The Government has welcomed | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
the report, saying any form of harassment or abuse | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
is unacceptable. It has asked Universities UK to get | :10:41. | :10:42. | |
back to them in six months, to tell on what progress | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
has been made. The Competition and Markets | :10:46. | :10:55. | |
Authority is investigating whether people using sports betting | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
and gaming websites It's looking into the terms | :10:58. | :10:58. | |
and conditions of online betting accounts and | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
wants to know why, in some cases, the industry's been | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
cancelling winning bets Fossils from a newly-discovered | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
species of dinosaur have been The giant long-necked dinosaur - | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
Savannasaurus elliottorum - measured at least 14 | :11:16. | :11:24. | |
metres from head-to-tail. It was a plant-chomping, | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
barrel-chested member of the sauropod group, | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
which includes the largest land animals to ever have | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
roamed the planet. That's a summary of | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
throughout the morning. And if you text, you will be charged | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
at the standard network rate. Interested in your thoughts on fizzy | :11:47. | :11:57. | |
drinks, with the news that two a day can increase your risk of getting | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
tight two diabetes, time for the sport. We will start with cricket. | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
What is the latest from England's Test match against Bangladesh? | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
Yes, thank you. A morning of mixed fortunes for England on the second | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
day of the first test in Bangladesh. They added just 35 runs to their | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
overnight score, Chris Woakes was out on the first delivery of the | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
morning. Not very happy with that. England 293 all out. In reply, | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
Bangladesh made a steady start until Moeen Ali started the ball, taking | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
two wickets in just four to halt the progress before lunch, but the home | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
side have dug their nails in and rallied and they are 99-2! | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
Football, a mixed night in the Europa League for English sides? | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
Yes, I think Manchester United will be the happier of the two this | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
morning. Easing past Turkish side than Apache 4-1 in the group stages. | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
And fans got to see a hint of what the world's most expensive player | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
Paul Pogba had to offer, what a goal that was, he got a couple. And Robin | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
van Persie got a late goal back for his team. United fans did enjoy that | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
and former England boss Sam Allardyce was in the crowd. | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
Not good news for Southampton, losing 1-0 at Inter Milan after | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
missing a lot of chances. Despite Southampton's 11 shots in the second | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
the goal. Both Southampton as Manchester United sit second. That | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
is all the sport for now, back back to you. | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
Thank you very much. Let's go to Aberfan. | :13:43. | :13:51. | |
28 adults and 116 children lost their lives when 150 tonnes of coal | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
waste slid down a hillside, before smashing into the junior school. | :13:59. | :14:09. | |
Our reporter is there. We are just outside the Garden of remembrance in | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
Aberfan, the very sight of Pantglas school. It was a foggy Fran Rico -- | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
Friday morning and it was the last day before half term holiday and the | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
children had gathered in the classrooms after their Assembly and | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
they had been singing All things Bright and beautiful. At 9:15 a.m., | :14:29. | :14:37. | |
a 30 foot avalanche started to slide down this mountain and crashed into | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
the school, demolishing 18 houses and a farmhouse, 144 people lost | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
their lives that day, 116 were children. Five teachers were also | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
killed. The people of Aberfan, the survivors, politicians, relatives | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
and the Prince of Wales have gathered in a cemetery behind us and | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
out of respect, the cameras will not go this morning. The people of | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
Aberfan and beyond falling silent to remember 50 ago. | :15:07. | :15:16. | |
-- 50 years ago. To see the ones we loved so much come smiling through | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
the door. Time is this move of grief's roughest edges but today we | :15:23. | :15:29. | |
acknowledge this grief will be fresh once again. We stand united with | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
them today, we recognise their pain and we promise to support and | :15:35. | :15:35. | |
comfort them in any way we can. A minute's silence to remember the | :15:36. | :16:20. | |
disaster 50 years on. A generation of children killed in the disaster, | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
116 children died when the coal waste went into the junior school. | :16:26. | :16:37. | |
28 adults also lost their lives. We will be talking later to one woman | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
who survived, she was eight at the time. The government is expected to | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
announce its decision next week on whether its preferred choice for | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
airport expansion is Heathrow or Gatwick. | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
It will come after decades of delays, although MPs won't get | :16:52. | :16:53. | |
to vote on the decision for at least another year. | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
A third runway at Heathrow is widely expected to get the go-ahead. | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
Ahead of the decision, our reporter Divya Talwar has spent | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
24 hours with a family living in one of Heathrow's flight path in West | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
Around 1300 flights each day come in and out of Heathrow. | :17:05. | :17:24. | |
These were a daily sight when I was growing up in West London | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
under one of the flight paths, although since leaving Hounslow, | :17:29. | :17:30. | |
I'm moving back, just for a day, to find out what it's | :17:31. | :17:40. | |
And what they make of plans for a third runway. | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
Many people in Hounslow rely on the airport for jobs. | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
So this is the quiet cul-de-sac road I'm going to be staying | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
You can't hear any of the traffic from the main road, | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
What you can hear, though, is the constant sound of those. | :17:58. | :18:13. | |
This is the Sheikh family, three generations under | :18:14. | :18:15. | |
They came from Pakistan over 30 years ago and have two sons. | :18:16. | :18:23. | |
The eldest is married and this is their two-year-old boy. | :18:24. | :18:32. | |
I'm meeting the family for the first time. | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
They live four miles from the airport and the planes fly | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
What is it like living directly under Heathrow | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
Now, when a really loud one goes by, and we just stop. | :18:42. | :18:53. | |
It's funny, isn't it, that you have adjusted your conversation | :18:54. | :19:03. | |
Do you hear them at four o'clock | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
If the planes start at four in the morning and the last one | :19:10. | :19:27. | |
is at 11, at intervals of about a minute with the planes | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
But it's a lot of planes, it's more than 12 hours a day. | :19:31. | :19:37. | |
There's another one, even now as we speak. | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
We hear it all the time, when someone from outside the area | :19:44. | :19:51. | |
comes it, they really feel the difference. | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
Wow, my gosh, there is a plane every minute. | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
And you would think at this time of the evening that the frequency | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
would reduce but they haven't, have they? | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
Yeah, and that is like two planes now within 20 seconds. | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
It would mean the family could hear around a thousand planes a day. | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
There are also some flights outside the scheduled flying | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
hours of 4:30am and 11pm, although these are rare | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
and only meant to be emergency or delayed flights. | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
It has gone past 10.30 and I can still hear the planes. | :20:26. | :20:41. | |
In fact they are pretty much as frequent and loud | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
They should stop by about 11 hopefully. | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
The planes are not supposed to take off or land at Heathrow after 11 | :20:51. | :20:58. | |
They are not obviously as frequent as they were during the day | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
but if you are a light sleeper, you will definitely hear them. | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
It has just gone 6.30 and I can hear the planes flying again. | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
In fact, I can hear them at least every minute. | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
I don't remember hearing anything after about 1, | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
or maybe I was too tired and I slept through, but there were a couple | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
at 5 and since 6 they have been pretty much nonstop. | :21:27. | :21:34. | |
Yesterday, all that talk about planes made me | :21:35. | :21:45. | |
Have you done anything at home to try to block out some of | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
So the house, all of the windows, the bedroom windows, | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
the side porch door and all of these windows, they are all double glazed. | :21:56. | :22:08. | |
Just except the sheets here, they are not thick enough | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
When we are sitting here, they are not enough | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
to keep the sound out because they are close to us anyway. | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
And all the sound comes from the roof. | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
Even with the double glazing, you can still hear | :22:20. | :22:21. | |
Yeah, the noise is still going to be there. | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
The government is expected to announce its decision next week | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
on whether to favour expanding either Heathrow or Gatwick Airport. | :22:28. | :22:29. | |
The Sheikh family has adjusted to life in a flight path. | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
That may change if there is a new runway at Heathrow | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
with around 500 more flights each day. | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
If it does get the go-ahead, what do you think you | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
I think the noise pollution is really going to affect us. | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
Even though we are sort of used to the noise, | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
with the increased activity, I just wonder how bad it is going to be. | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
Going forward, I think it will definitely make us think | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
about whether we want to stay here or not. | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
That would be a really big decision because you have lived | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
A massive decision for us to make, but being a dad, I'm obviously | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
I think living in this area with the pollution, | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
with the air pollution, we would definitely think | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
about going to an area which is free from all of that. | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
Wouldn't you miss the sound of all these planes if you didn't | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
I think I have seen enough planes already. | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
Here to discuss the much-anticapted decision is Matthew Hill, | :23:39. | :24:02. | |
from the business campaign group Let Britain Fly. | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
And Maggie Thornburn, who lives near Heathrow | :24:05. | :24:05. | |
The family there was saying that if it happens, they will move away. You | :24:06. | :24:18. | |
have lived wet you have lived all your life, is that how you feel if a | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
third runway went ahead? It would make life a lot worse of course. I | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
have very good reasons for staying around because as you will gather | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
from living in an area for a long time, you have all of your | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
connections and family and your life is in an area so it would be a huge | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
cost. I could contemplate it and possibly I would but other people | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
don't have that option. And I know people who've thought that they were | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
moving to somewhere safe from this sort of disruption only to find that | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
the proposed third runway would put a flight path over their house. They | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
have done that and now they are going to get clobbered again. | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
Matthew, you want airport expansion, you don't mind if it is Gatwick or | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
Heathrow, you just want a decision to be made. Certainly business needs | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
a new runway. Heathrow is full, Gatwick will be full very soon. | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
Because they are full it means we don't have the capacity for flights | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
to new destinations and markets, emerging markets like China for | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
instance. And therefore we are missing out on about ?9.5 billion a | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
year in lost trade. We need a new runway for business and a clear | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
decision from government, based on the clear and unanimous | :25:43. | :25:44. | |
recommendation from the airport commission and we needed built as | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
soon as possible. Some people might say it is easy to see the upside is | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
when you don't experience the downsides. Do you have sympathy for | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
people in the flight path? Airport by their nature are large and noisy | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
and it is important the local community are engaged and consulted | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
in a transparent way. There were missions in the airports commission | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
for dealing with noise -- measures. It was good to see that in the | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
Heathrow proposals they had a number of mitigating measures to try to | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
manage the noise impact. But actually a new runway at Heathrow | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
would provide the opportunity to be a better neighbour. With that third | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
runway comes the flexibility to schedule flight in a different way, | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
maybe slightly earlier in the evening, later in the morning, and | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
therefore being a better neighbour on noise. What we really need to see | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
is that certainty from government about where the runway will go so it | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
can get on and build. Do you feel your voice has been listened to? I | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
think so and so far as the proponents of the scheme are coming | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
up with answers to our objections but whether we believe they will | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
actually have the effect that is proposed and be carried forward... | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
We have had so many promises in the past that have not turned out the | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
way they were promised. We have had promises there would not be any | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
expansion and that has come back and been turned round. The other point | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
is that whatever the mitigation may be, there are so many more people | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
being affected by Heathrow in London than in any other capital city, that | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
basically it is in the wrong place and it is making a bad situation | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
worse to propose to expand it. When you hear Matthew making the case for | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
the country and the economy, do you accept that it is an issue for the | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
greater good? There is an argument which is based on figures that I | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
think are very selective. I also think that the economy has many | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
different aspects that could be developed in a different way without | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
Heathrow being expanded and indeed the whole premise of the airports | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
commission was that we need another runway in the south-east of England. | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
But what happened to the idea that the south-east was getting | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
overheated? We are possibly the wrong place to expand anyway. As far | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
as flight are concerned, there is spare capacity in other airports. It | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
would not be the same thing as expanding Heathrow but there is more | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
than one way of dealing with economic considerations. Norman says | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
that most people I work on by jet engines from Manchester and bought | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
in Stockport. What happened the law on noise pollution? John said that | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
you don't get used to be pollution that you can take the atmosphere. | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
The government says they have reduced noise and pollution around | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
Heathrow but the way they have done this is by pushing all of this over | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
Essex by changing the outbound flight path out of Stansted. Martin | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
says that Gatwick is the same and what about the engine test in the | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
night? Vincent said airport expansion and noise has been going | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
on for years so what came first, the chicken or the egg? They move into | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
the area knowing this. Answering about other ways to expand the | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
economy? The airports commission looked at this in detail, for three | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
years. It looked at a range of options and found unanimously that | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
both the final short listed options of Gatwick and Heathrow were viable | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
and it recommended Heathrow for a number of reasons. Those were to do | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
with accessibility, its connections to London and the rest of the | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
country, for connectivity, the ability to grow long haul routes to | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
new markets for new growth and jobs, and also connectivity to the rest of | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
the country. Because the airports are full in London at the moment, | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
there are not those domestic links to Scotland and the North to connect | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
to overseas markets. The government will announce which way it is going | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
next week, the start of a consultation process. It is | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
anticipated that the decision might be Heathrow although we don't know. | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
If it is, what will you do? We certainly won't go away. Those of us | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
who have been opposing it had not been satisfied by any of the | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
promises and we will continue to oppose it and I think it might make | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
it extremely difficult for that proposal, if there is a decision for | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
Heathrow, I think it would make it difficult to go ahead because there | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
will be continued opposition both on legal and other grounds and we will | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
be fighting it for all of those hundred thousand people who will be | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
newly affected as well as those who perhaps knew something about | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
Heathrow when they moved to the area. | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
Still to come. Standing Together is back in use, it was used when MP Jo | :31:02. | :31:14. | |
Cox was killed in her constituency. Now her friend and colleague Rachel | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
Reeves is using it to support Coronation Street actress Tracy | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
Brabin who has been elected as successor of Jo Cox, we will talk to | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
her shortly. And an investigation into the fair treatment of customers | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
attracted to online gambling sites by tempting deals and offers. A | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
former gambling addict is with us in the studio. Let's know your thoughts | :31:36. | :31:43. | |
on that. Now let's catch up with all the news. | :31:44. | :31:54. | |
150,000 tonnes of coal waste and got a junior school and surrounding | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
homes in the Welsh village of Aberfan, killing 144 people, a | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
minute's silence has been held. 116 were children. Prince Charles is | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
attending a ceremony this morning and more events to commemorate the | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
disaster will be held throughout the day. The Conservatives have held | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
former Prime Minister David Cameron's seat of Witney in | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
Oxfordshire. Barrister Robert Courts was elected with a reduced majority, | :32:21. | :32:27. | |
with the vote falling from 66%, to 45%. Labour's Tracy Brabin held the | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
Batley Spen seat where Jo Cox was MP before she was killed in June. | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
Two British warships are shadowing an aircraft carrier and other | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
Russian naval ships as they pass close to the UK. | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
The Russian ships are heading through the English Channel on their | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
way, it is the eastern Mediterranean. A Ministry of defence | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
spokesman said they would be man marked every step of the way new UK | :32:53. | :32:54. | |
waters. There's been criticism | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
of Russia's aggressive polices from the President | :32:57. | :32:57. | |
of the European Council, Armed militants have raided | :32:58. | :33:08. | |
government buildings in Iraq. The Islamic State group says it was | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
behind the attack, claiming fighters broke into the Town Hall and took | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
control of a hotel. This is as Iraqi and Kurdish forces try to take the | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
Iraqi stronghold of Mosul. Universities and student unions | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
should work together to tackle violence against women, | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
harassment and hate crime on campus. EU a task force set up by the heads | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
of university says allegations needed to be recorded properly and | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
victims must get better support. The government has welcomed the report | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
and says it expects it to be implemented. | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
The Competition and Markets Authority is investigating | :33:45. | :33:45. | |
whether people using sports betting and gaming websites | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
It's looking into the terms and conditions of online | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
betting accounts and wants to know why, | :33:51. | :33:52. | |
in some cases, the industry's been cancelling winning bets | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
More from me at ten o'clock. We will talk about online gambling in a | :33:55. | :34:15. | |
while so let's know your thoughts on that. Time for the sport now with | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
Jessica. Des two of England's first test in | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
Bangladesh, they were all out the 293 in their first innings, | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
Bangladesh had a bit of a wobble early in their reply but they found | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
their rhythm with a cabal hitting a half-century. Bangladesh were on | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
116-2. World-record signing Paul Pogba scored twice as Manchester | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
United beat Fenerbahce 4-1 in the rebel league last night. Former | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
United striker Robin Van Persie scored a consolation goal for the | :34:51. | :34:52. | |
Turkish side. Not good news for Southampton, | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
losing 1-0 at Inter Milan after missing a number of chances and | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
despite 11 shots in the second half, it was the Italian side who got the | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
only goal in the San Siro Stadium. And it has been confirmed that after | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
a difficult few months, Ian Drake will set down as Chief Executive of | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
British cycling next April. He said it was the right time to move on. | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
That is all for now. Thank you very much, see you later. | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
As you've been hearing, this morning marks 50 years | :35:22. | :35:23. | |
to the day that more than 100 children and dozens of adults | :35:24. | :35:31. | |
were killed in the Welsh mining village of Aberfan. | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
This morning in 1966, tonnes of coal debris, | :35:34. | :35:35. | |
which had been piled high on a hillside, slipped down | :35:36. | :35:37. | |
The disaster devastated the village and has those there have | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
A series of remembrance events are being held in Aberfan | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
throughout the day, and we'll go live there shortly, | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
but first, here's a reminder from Huw Edwards of what went wrong | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
He has been speaking to the survivors. At 915 a.m., Pantglas | :35:53. | :36:04. | |
Primary School was buried under a mountain of coal waste. The scale of | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
the loss is still difficult to comprehend half a century later. | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
What happened was one of the greatest disasters in the modern | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
history of Wales and the modern history of the United Kingdom. | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
And it's important to get one thing clear. | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
This was no freak of nature, it was a man-made disaster, | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
And it happened because of a combination of negligence, | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
One of those who survived the disaster, her life | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
still overshadowed by the events 50 years ago, is Gaynor Madgwick. | :36:36. | :36:37. | |
She was eight at the time and lost her brother Carl | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
She has since written a book about her experiences. | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
We met in the memorial garden on the site of the old | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
The ceiling of the school had come in and it landed on half | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
the children, and I had a radiator that had come off the wall and it | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
I just remember looking at another friend of ours who had literally | :36:58. | :37:06. | |
tried to climb up through the roof which was on top of the children. | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
And, "I'm going to get help, I'm going to get help." | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
I was whisked away in the ambulance to St Tydfil's Hospital | :37:14. | :37:21. | |
and I remained there, isolated I feel, | :37:22. | :37:23. | |
It was then in the evening time that I was told that my brother | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
We can cross now to our reporter Bethan Roberts, | :37:29. | :37:45. | |
Yes, thank you, we are outside that memorial garden and you can see the | :37:46. | :38:00. | |
walls built to reflect the shape of the classrooms of that school, | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
Pantglas Primary School. I am joined by an historian now. You remember | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
that day very well. I do, I was a university student at the time, | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
living not far from this community. My father was a Minister and joined | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
the weekend, he came to map -- Aberfan the office help and many did | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
the same thing. I remember that day, it was a very sad day emotionally | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
and it remained in the memories of many people sense. Not just trying | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
to grapple with the events of that day, but for this community, the | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
fight following the inquest and the request for money, they have had to | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
battle all the way. They have had to battle all the way and it is a | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
reflection of their bravery and courage. They had to stand on their | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
own feet because nobody else would help them. At the time of the | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
disaster, you had this massive corporate institution, National Coal | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
Board, with this overwhelming power of the man who controlled it, Lord | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
Robens, who refuse to accept responsibility and the fact that he | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
knew that they did not know about the existence of the stream which | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
caused the tips to collapse. They stayed with that story until the | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
last moment of the tribunal held in the wake of the disaster. Even he | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
was not allowed to be dismissed from his post and he remained in his post | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
in 1971, largely because he was imported to the Labour government | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
because he was seen as the defender of the National Union of Mineworkers | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
because the government was closing the pits. He was indispensable and | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
he remained in his post and he refused to give it a penny of the | :39:43. | :39:50. | |
funds to remove these tips unless villagers made a contribution, and | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
that was scandalous and it added to the pain and bitter memories of | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
those people. You mentioned the stream which was the spring that was | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
crucial in this story. There had been warnings and those warnings | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
were ignored. They had been ignored and there was a slippage three years | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
earlier and the headmistress of the school had set up a petition sent to | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
the colliery manager who refuse to acknowledge the petition. Nothing | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
about the situation. What is even more scandalous is this was a | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
nationalist industry set up to meet the needs of the working people in | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
this country. On top of that, there was health and safety beneath ground | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
but no tipping policy, which came through in the conclusion of the | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
tribunal which came to an end of its operations in 90 77. There was a | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
friend in Parliament to help, only one MP stood up to defend them and | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
that was the local MP for Merthyr Tydfil, suspended three years later | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
because the Labour Party was very much involved in this because they | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
wanted to defend the industry and they felt they could not dismiss | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
Lord Robens. 50 years on, how do you assess the impact of that tragic | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
day? It was an exceptionally spine chilling day, there were many other | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
events in the history of Wales, in disasters, but this was exceptional | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
and it was a scar on the memory of the people. It also reflects another | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
scene, the overwhelming power of corporate institutions, which can | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
override the feelings and the demands of ordinary people. It was | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
man-made, it could have been avoided. It was man-made, it could | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
have been avoided had people be more responsible on that day. Thank you | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
very much. Come back to us and I will be joined by two survivors late | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
in the programme. We will join you later in the | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
programme, thank you very much. Matt on Facebook, they knew that spoil | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
pile was unstable and decided to do nothing, a tragedy that should never | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
have happened. On text, as somebody old enough to | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
recall the tragic events of 50 years ago, I recall the horror I felt, I | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
know it affected me in Yorkshire as it did people all over Britain and | :42:05. | :42:20. | |
the world. Deeply. Whether we recall that day or not, we must never | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
forget and keep Aberfan in our hearts. Jean on Facebook, I was 14 | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
when Aberfan happens, I remember the sadness we felt and the tears for | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
those children who died. 50 years later, it still resonates that a | :42:30. | :42:31. | |
whole generation died that day. Coming up, calls for a zero | :42:32. | :42:33. | |
tolerance approach to sexual violence, hate crime and violence on | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
university campuses. We speak to a woman raped while a student who | :42:37. | :42:38. | |
campaigns to end sex crimes. It's four months since the nation | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
was shocked by the death Now, following a by-election | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
in her West Yorkshire constituency of Batley Spen yesterday, | :42:46. | :42:53. | |
the former Coronation Street actress Tracy Brabin takes up her seat | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
as the new Labour MP. The seat was not contested | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
by the other main parties and Ms Brabin won with 85% | :42:59. | :43:00. | |
of the vote. It was a phenomenal campaign run | :43:01. | :43:08. | |
in difficult circumstances where people are absolutely | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
heartbroken about what happened. And what we saw as a tragedy others | :43:13. | :43:13. | |
saw as an opportunity to get out And I think tonight's been | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
a huge success for us, We'll speak to one of Jo's | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
friends in a moment, the MP Rachel Reeves, | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
but first, here's Rachel addressing other MPs in June, | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
shortly after Jo's death. Jo was struck down much too | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
soon, so it now falls on all of our shoulders - | :43:31. | :43:32. | |
the woman I met in a coffee shop in Batley, Jo's | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
friends, MPs, all of us - To combat and guard against hatred, | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
intolerance and injustice, to serve others with dignity | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
and with love. And that is the best way | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
that we can remember Jo Batley and Spen will go | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
on to elect a new MP. Rachel Reeves is | :43:50. | :44:00. | |
in our Leeds studio. She's been out campaigning | :44:01. | :44:11. | |
with Tracy Brabin. Thank you very much for joining us | :44:12. | :44:19. | |
this morning. A difficult time. Tracy Brabin said, it is a | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
bittersweet victory. Yes, that is exactly the right word and way of | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
looking at it. I was in Batley Spen yesterday campaigning for Tracy | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
but it was a by-election I did not want to fight, there were doors I | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
did not want to knock on. But as I said in that speech, Batley Spen | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
has elected a new MP and Tracy is a wonderful woman. Jo and her were | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
friends and they campaigns together. Like Jo, Tracy is from the | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
constituency and she knows and she loves the area and she is going to | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
be a great MP for the people of Batley Spen and a great | :44:57. | :44:59. | |
representative in Parliament. It was a difficult day yesterday and | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
difficult watching that acceptance speech from Tracy last night, but | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
looking forward to working with her on the causes close to her heart as | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
well as those close to that of Jo. Tell us more about Tracy. She is | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
known to many for appearing on screen in Coronation Street and | :45:18. | :45:25. | |
other shows. Jo Cox spoke of wanting there to be a consensual politics, | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
of a kinder and gentler politics, what will Tracy's strengths be in | :45:31. | :45:31. | |
politics? Tracy was brought up in the | :45:32. | :45:41. | |
constituency and went to school and is passionate about the area. She | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
has had an incredibly successful career as an actor and screen right | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
and she will be able to bring some of those skills and experience to | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
the role, injuring there are more good quality jobs in places like | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
Batley and Spen, that it punches above its weight as a community. I | :45:59. | :46:01. | |
know that she is passionate about that. As well as that experience in | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
her work, she has also been a campaigner for many years including | :46:07. | :46:13. | |
some of the issues that Jo cared about. She will be able to bring | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
that experience to the role as MP for Batley and Spen. The death of Jo | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
Cox shone a light on the tone of political debate and after she died, | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
many expressed a hope that there would be a kinder politics | :46:31. | :46:32. | |
afterwards. Have you seen that coming through? She spoke in her | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
maiden speech about that we had more in common than that which divides us | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
and that was something that grows and motivated her, to work with | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
people, whatever their politics or background, to try to make the world | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
a better place. Whether that was making Batley and Spen about the | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
place, the country or internationally with the work that | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
she did in some of the most war ravaged and damaged places in the | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
world. What happened when she died, there was a huge outpouring of love | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
and grief and a lot of people said, I want to live my life more like | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
her. If anything good is to come out of this, is that we think a bit more | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
about how we act in the world and the way we treat each other and the | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
difference we try to make. If all others tried a little bit to live a | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
bit more like that, by those values, that we have more in common than | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
that which divides us, I think all of the communities and the world | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
would be a better place. That is the way we can honour Jo and her legacy | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
and I know that Tracy will be trying to do that now in her role. Do you | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
think anything has changed in politics? When I was out yesterday, | :47:44. | :47:50. | |
a lot of people are still coming to terms with what has happened. They | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
feel very moved by what happened. You look at the result, people who | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
had voted for all different parties over the years came together to vote | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
Labour and vote for Tracy. That is an example and a reminder that we do | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
have more in common, the Conservatives and Lib Dems and other | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
main parties did not field candidates yesterday out of respect. | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
But also to put into practice the idea that we have more in common. We | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
spend a lot of time arguing between the parties in parliament but | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
actually at moments like this, it is a reminder that we must all come | :48:28. | :48:30. | |
together in the national interest for the common good. Thank you very | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
much for joining us this morning. There are concerns that gamblers | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
are being ripped off by online gambling companies who may have | :48:40. | :48:41. | |
broken the law. The government's competition | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
regulator is launching an investigation into | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
whether gamblers are being conned Here to talk about the | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
investigation is Nisha Arora. She is the Senior Director | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
for Consumer Enforcement at the Competition | :48:57. | :48:59. | |
and Markets Authority. Justyn Larcombe is a recovering | :49:00. | :49:00. | |
online gambling addict He has fallen victim to some | :49:01. | :49:03. | |
of the practices the CMA Thank you for joining us. You are | :49:04. | :49:20. | |
looking at three specific areas, unfair small print, difficulty in | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
withdrawing winnings and odds being altered. Set out your concerns on | :49:26. | :49:36. | |
those areas. With promotions, consumers and players being enticed | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
into what looked like great deals and promotions on the surface, | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
looking like a good deal and fair but actually they are attached with | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
hidden and conflicts terms which means that people don't understand | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
the deal they are getting into and often are not even able to get a | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
pay-out at the end of the day and get their winnings. In terms of the | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
odds, we are concerned that companies are cancelling bets or | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
altering the odds on things of the people had placed they might bet on | :50:05. | :50:11. | |
something at 20-1 but the pay-out is reduced because the company said | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
that we made the mistake and we have changed the odds after you placed | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
your bet. We are also concerned... How widespread is that? It is a | :50:20. | :50:26. | |
widespread practice traditionally in the land betting offices because it | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
has come about because of human error. In an online world we think | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
it is occurring and we want to know why it should occur and what is the | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
justification. The reason for this investigation is to find out how | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
widespread that is and what is happening and if players are really | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
being a comment. And on that issue of unfair small print, the body | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
being tempted by what looks to be free money to start betting with and | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
discovering it is not quite as straightforward as that -- somebody | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
being tempted. If that making people gamble when they might not | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
otherwise? It might well do because bonuses are getting bigger and | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
bigger. If you put in ?100, you get a chance of that money being matched | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
or doubled so it could make you put in more money. And you I get back to | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
actually have to put in more money in order to get the winnings at the | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
end of the day, I think that has the potential to tempt people to spend | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
more money that they might not have done otherwise. You have a gambling | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
addiction which obviously you have now turned your life around but | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
going back to when it started, it is the offer of a free bet that drew | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
you in? It was a ?5 free bet, I was watching a game of rugby and I | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
noticed an advert by the side of the pitch for the first time. What did | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
it say and lead you on to do? It was the offer of a ?5 free bet if I | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
matched the state. I went upstairs and got my laptop, I had never | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
gambled before -- the stake. I joined up and deposited ?5 and I won | :52:03. | :52:12. | |
that bet. That was the start of everything. Do you think without | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
that free offer you would never have gone down that path? If I had lost | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
the bet, I think I would have just closed my laptop and thought, what a | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
waste of time. I was not thinking about gambling at the time. I was | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
just having a normal day. And over time you developed a significant | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
addiction and ended up losing ?750,000. What sort of things did | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
you experience through the time you were betting that chimes with the | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
issues we are looking at? It was a very gradual process over three | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
years and I went from someone who'd gambled occasionally, but towards | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
the end, when I had spent all the money, the equity in my house, got | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
all the loans I could get, when my wife had left and the children had | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
gone, when I was not eating because I was spending money, that time at | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
my most vulnerable, that is when I felt most exposed to the adverts. To | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
getting a call from someone saying, would you like a free bet today. | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
Getting e-mails from people saying, we have got a deal for you. And it | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
is not a free bet. It is misleading because it keeps you gambling. In | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
order to get your money that you think you have won, you have to keep | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
placing a bet. Sometimes 30 times before you begin to get the money | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
back that you think you will get. It is probably the most vulnerable, | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
they are the highest risk of this kind of promotion. When you did have | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
winnings you found it hard to take them out? Completely but as a | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
compulsive gambler you probably would not take it out anyway will | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
stop you would like to, and I heard so many stories from people, where | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
people had a significant win and they want to take the money out but | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
it takes so long to do that. If it is related to a promotion, you | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
probably would not be able to take it out anyway. You end up gambling | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
it anyway? Do you think if you had been able to take it away at any | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
point that you might have walked away? Early on, that is what I would | :54:17. | :54:23. | |
have done. This is why it is a bit dangerous because it is bringing in | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
people. There are three types of people, most people gamble | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
responsibly and there is no issue and this will not affect them. Then | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
you have a large number who are at risk and the industry says that | :54:36. | :54:37. | |
figure is about 3.5 million, not just online gambling. Then you have | :54:38. | :54:44. | |
a small percentage, still a high number, 5.5 million people gambling | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
online, a high number who are compulsive. Those people are the | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
ones that will keep on playing and they will be looking at the adverts. | :54:54. | :55:00. | |
People are getting in touch. Rob, my wife and myself won ?1000 and when | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
he tried to transfer it, they took us through a torturous identity | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
process lasting six weeks. They did not ask for identity when we | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
deposited the ?50 to gamble. We closed the cat out immediately. An | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
anonymous e-mail, a lot of sites give big bonuses and when you when | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
it goes on as a bonus so he never really went and if you did win, they | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
would only pay out in drips and wraps. Adam says free bets and | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
misleading ad led my dad to a gambling addiction, free bets are | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
not so free, this crackdown is needed. At one stage as well you | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
wanted to stop and you locked yourself going on going onto a | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
website but even that did not work. The problem was, there are 2500 | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
online gambling sites. I had a problem with one of them and when my | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
wife found out, I confessed everything, I logged in and self | :55:54. | :56:00. | |
excluded myself from that one site. At the moment, you would have to | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
exclude yourself from two and a half thousand sites. That is changing and | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
the commission are trying to put through a one-stop inclusion which | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
is brilliant. A couple of weeks after I self excluded, I had a | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
promotional e-mail, saying would you like a ?50 free bet if you sign up. | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
I convinced myself that a free bet was not gambling and ended up losing | :56:22. | :56:28. | |
everything. When you hear this experience, and obviously he is not | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
the only person to have done that, what do you think about the | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
responsibility that should be shown in that environment? The gambling | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
commission, we're working closely with them, they have a project | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
looking at the problem of gambling in the industry. What we are looking | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
at is companies treating people fairly, giving them the right | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
information so they know what they are signing up for and not stacking | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
the odds against them in the fairway that they either end up having to | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
walk away and leave winnings which is difficult to do, or having to | :57:03. | :57:05. | |
carry on gambling with the idea that they will get them. We are keen to | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
ensure that people are treated fairly. Thank you very much and | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
thank you for your comments. Keep them coming on this and every thing | :57:16. | :57:22. | |
else that we are talking about. We are also going to be talked about | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
sexual violence on university campuses. We will talk to one woman | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
who was raped while she was a student but the allegations were not | :57:31. | :57:31. | |
taken seriously. Good News for the weekend with some | :57:32. | :57:46. | |
dry weather coming up with with the Knights getting longer and colder we | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
have seen some misty mornings. We have also seen is the mist | :57:52. | :57:57. | |
thickening into dense fog and patchy fog, you can be going along and the | :57:58. | :58:04. | |
visibility is fine but suddenly you plunge into that dense fog. Some of | :58:05. | :58:12. | |
that is still around, mainly in western England and Wales and it is | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
fairly patchy but most have had a glorious start, dry and sunny with | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
light winds. It will feel a bit warmer after the initial chill. More | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
cloudy in the south and east, some heavy showers in east Anglia moving | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
westwards. We also have some more cloud and rain in the north of | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
Scotland around Caithness and Orkney. Away from that, much of | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
Scotland and Northern Ireland going towards lunchtime will be dry and | :58:41. | :58:46. | |
sunny. For most of you, a fine autumn day with light winds and | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
sunshine overhead and it will feel quite pleasant. Further showers in | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
the East but not as many as in recent days. But in East Anglia, | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
there is a chance it could be heavy and thundery. Temperatures are | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
tempered a bit by the strength of the wind. The breeze will bring in | :59:04. | :59:06. | |
showers through the east of the UK. Most will be dry and clear, some | :59:07. | :59:12. | |
more clout in several parts with the small child of some rain later on | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
but in the West it will be clearest -- at the small chance of some rain. | :59:17. | :59:23. | |
Temperatures will tumble outside of towns and cities with some frost | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
going into the weekend. That will lift through the morning. More clout | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
in western areas, a few more showers tomorrow, you might have one in | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
Northern Ireland and central parts of Scotland and a few more in east | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
in England which will drift westwards. But there are big gaps | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
between them, many will spend the bulk if not all of the day dry. | :59:45. | :59:52. | |
Temperatures mostly gentle. This area of low pressure develops, not | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
effective as directly but as it develops, it squeezes up against the | :00:00. | :00:03. | |
high-pressure further north and the wins will strengthen and it will | :00:04. | :00:06. | |
feel colder on Sunday. More showers in the East but many will be dry and | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
sunny in the West again. Enjoy your weekend. | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
Welcome to the Victoria Derbyshire Show, if you've just joined us. | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
Communities across Wales come together to remember | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
116 children and 28 adults were killed when tonnes of coal | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
waste engulfed the village 50 years ago. | :00:28. | :00:39. | |
The ceiling came in and landed on half the children. I looked at | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
another friend who literally tried to climb through the roof. I was | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
whisked away in an ambulance to the hospital and I remained their | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
isolated I feel for over three months. | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
A taskforce has called for zero-tolerance to sexual | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
We'll speak to a campaigner who was raped while she was a student | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
and to a woman who has curtailed her social life | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
at university because of sexual harrassment. | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
Two British warships are shadowing an aircraft carrier and other | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
Russian naval vessels sailing through the English Channel. | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
The fleet is believed to be en-route to the Eastern mediterranean. | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
We will be live from both sides of the Channel, | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :01:22. | :01:31. | |
A minute's silence has been held to mark the fiftieth anniversary | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
150,000 tonnes of coal waste engulfed a junior school | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
and surrounding homes in the Welsh village, killing 144 people, | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
Prince Charles is attending a ceremony in Aberfan this morning, | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
and more events to commemorate the disaster will be held | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
Former Prime Minister David Cameron has congratulated Robert Courts on | :01:54. | :02:09. | |
his victory in the Witney by-election. He was elected with a | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
reduced majority. The Conservative vote share falling from 66%, to 45%. | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
In yesterday's other by-election... Meanwhile Labour's Tracy Brabin held | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
the Batley and Spen seat where Jo Cox was MP before | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
she was killed in June. The party's candidate Great Repeal | :02:24. | :02:32. | |
Bill got a majority of 16,000 500. Turnout was 25%, one of the low | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
asked for a by-election since the Second World War. The other parties | :02:37. | :02:43. | |
chose not to put up candidates. -- the lowest. | :02:44. | :02:44. | |
Two British warships are shadowing an aircraft carrier and other | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
Russian naval ships as they pass close to the UK. | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
The ships are heading through the English Channel | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
on their way, it's thought, to the eastern Mediterranean. | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
There's been criticism of Russia's aggressive polices from President | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
Armed militants have carried out several raids | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
The Islamic State group claimed its fighters had | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
broken into the town hall, attacked a police station | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
The assaults come as the Iraqi Government and Kurdish forces | :03:09. | :03:17. | |
attempt to re-take the IS stronghold of Mosul. | :03:18. | :03:19. | |
Theresa May has said Britain intends to remain at the heart | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
of the European Union right up to the moment of its departure. | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
Addressing EU leaders at her first summit as Prime Minister, | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
she made it clear the UK would play a full part in decision-making until | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, later said | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
she expected the Brexit negotiations to be "rough-going". | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
Public sector borrowing rose slightly in September | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
to ?10.6 billion, according to the Office for | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
The figures make it likely that the Chancellor Philip Hammond | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
will have to admit the Treasury won't hit its target for deficit | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
reduction for this year, set in the last Budget. | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
A report is recommending a complete overhaul of how British universities | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
deal with sexual assaults, harassment and hate crime on campus. | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
A task force, set up by the heads of universities, | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
has said allegations need to be recorded properly and victims | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
The Government has welcomed the report and said it expects | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
The Competition and Markets Authority is investigating | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
whether people using sports betting and gaming websites | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
It's looking into the terms and conditions of online | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
accounts and wants to know why, in some cases, the industry's been | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
cancelling winning bets and refusing to pay out. | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
Environmentalists are warning that hundreds of rare snow leopards | :04:42. | :04:43. | |
are being killed every year in the mountain ranges of Asia. | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
The wildlife monitoring group Traffic International says many | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
are being targeted by farmers in retaliation for | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30. | :04:51. | :05:01. | |
Thank you. We are remembering the Aberfan disaster today, 50 years | :05:02. | :05:13. | |
later. 116 children and 28 adults killed in the disaster. We will | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
speak later to a woman who was eight and she survived. Janet says, I was | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
ten when Aberfan happened and it was the first time I saw my dad cry. | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
Charlie on Facebook, I remember the date me and my classmates said our | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
pocket money to the school, so sad. So we will speak to one woman who | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
was just a little girl of eight at the time she survived the disaster | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
and she will talk to us later. Do get in touch with us | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
throughout the morning. And if you text, you will be charged | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
at the standard network rate. Time to get the sport | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
now with Jessica. It's been a morning of mixed | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
fortunes for England on the second 293 all out. Moeen Ali took two | :05:53. | :06:11. | |
wickets and four balls to slow down the Bangladesh reply but they | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
recovered, the local hero working his way to a half-century, much to | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
the delight of the crowd. Adil Rashid made a breakthrough, taking | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
the wicket of the partner of Iqbal. Bangladesh on 120-3, trailing | :06:28. | :06:37. | |
England by 173 runs. Paul Pogba scored twice in their 4-1 win over | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
Fenerbahce. He has been a little under par but just look at this | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
goal. Former United player Robin Van Persie scored a consolation for the | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
Turkish side but with a valuable three points for United, an | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
impressive performance by Paul Pogba. Well, first of all, in some | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
of your mouth as he goes from the worst player in the Premier league | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
to a great player, in 48 hours. And specifically saying, that is you. | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
When I say you, I say the media, especially you and science! But the | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
reality is that we know that he is a very good player -- Einstein. And we | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
know that he needs some time to be, or to show all his potential. | :07:28. | :07:38. | |
Southampton lost 1-0 at Inter Milan after missing a lot of chances. 11 | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
shots in the second half, but Inter Milan got the goal, and it means | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
Southampton and Manchester United sit second in their group after | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
three matches. Sometimes you don't have the luck on your side but you | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
have to learn from it and sometimes you just need to get it in front of | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
goal and put the chances away. Games coming thick and fast and we have | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
the chance on Sunday to put things right again. | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
After a difficult few months, Ian Drake has stepped down as Chief | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
Executive of British cycling, next April. In a statement, it said it | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
was the right time for him to move on. His association with the | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
national governing body began in 1995 and he has been Chief Executive | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
since 2009. Great Britain topped the cycling medal table in the real | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
Olympics and Paralympics, but there have also been numerous | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
controversies. That is all the sport. Thank you | :08:32. | :08:32. | |
very much, see you later. I woke up in a stranger's bed, the | :08:33. | :08:43. | |
words of a woman who was raped while at university. We will speak to her | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
in a moment. She said she was not in a fit state to give her consent but | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
the police and university did not take her complaints seriously | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
enough. New guidelines now recommend a complete overhaul of how British | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
universities deal with sexual assaults, harassment and hate crime | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
on campus. The report by the task force of universities UK says | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
allegations need to be recorded properly and victims must get better | :09:09. | :09:19. | |
support. We will also talk to a student at Surrey University, Steph | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
Baker, who said she started going out on less nights out because of | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
sexual harassment. And also with us... | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
Chloe Wynne, welfare officer at Warwick University. | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
And Anne Chappell, director of teaching and learning | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
in the Department of Education at Brunel University London. | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
You are a welfare officer and this has been launched after concerns | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
over a growing issue. Tell us your experiences of how much of an issue | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
there is. You see the statistics, one in four female students at | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
university roughly faced sexual assault rape at university. One in | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
four, sexual assault rape, that is extraordinary. How is that defined? | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
Serious sexual assault, anything after that. So it is clearly a | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
endemic in our institutions and is something that has only started to | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
be taken seriously recently and we see this opportunity for the stars | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
to align and the campaigning work of NUS and other stakeholders coming | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
together to produce this list of recommendations. Alice, you suffered | :10:25. | :10:34. | |
the worst experience in this regard. You were raped and you have decided | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
you want to talk about it. How did the University react? This is about | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
an issue of Pastoral care as much as anything and the messaging from the | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
universities in terms of messages sent out. Yes, I was raped five | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
years ago and when I sat down with a friend with the revelation this is | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
what had happened, to look for options for support, to find out | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
information about what I could do following this event, there was | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
nothing online whatsoever from the University. There was no clear | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
signposting as to whether I could make a complaint to the university, | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
no information about specific support universities, absolutely | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
nothing. It was the task of me and my friends to muddle through the | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
system and figure out the local support services, to give the | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
counselling service a go and see if they would deal with it which in my | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
instance they did not. Why was it important to you? You are at | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
university, why was that support important rather than going straight | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
to the police? So many reasons why somebody might not go to police, | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
following the coverage of the Ched Evans file, we are aware of what the | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
process looks like. I went to the police and they'd dealt with it | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
badly and they said it sounded like sex with regret and said it was a no | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
crime, I subsequently received an apology and a recognition I was | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
raped. There was no record? Nothing I was saying was taken down except | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
no crime disclosed. I said at the beginning in the introduction that | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
you woke up with no recollection. A bit of recollection. Without | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
details, you say about the police describing it as sex with no | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
regrets, tell us why they said that. The context for me was unfortunately | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
typical, went out for a night out and I drank more than I intended and | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
I intended -- I ended up. Top close to my house and was drunk enough not | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
to make it to my front door. The young gentleman in question told me, | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
I do not remember, said he found me on the street wandering around lost | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
and cold and he took me home and he had sex with me, that is what he | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
said. I do have some memories of the sexual interaction and the rest, I | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
had to take at his word. He even got up the map to show me where he found | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
me, 30 minutes from my house, I cannot account for that. The | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
difficulty we have and the police response is indicative of that, a | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
lack of understanding and awareness of instances of rape that do not | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
look like that commonly portrayed in the media and films. No overt | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
violence in my case. No physical injuries. It happened in somebody's | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
accommodation. It is not the kind of thing that people like to think of | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
as rape, it is uncomfortable to recognise such a common practice of | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
picking somebody up drunk and having sex with them might sometimes be | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
rape. There is a big cultural denial of the sexual offending and it is a | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
huge part of what education needs to address on campus. Horrific | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
experience Alice went through. You are the director of teaching and | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
learning at Brunel University. What should be university do? | :13:51. | :13:58. | |
Universities have, as Alice mentioned, through NUS campaigns, | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
there has been awareness raising in the institutions. We are currently | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
involved in a European funded project working with three UK | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
universities and four universities across other European countries, | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
looking at the ways in which we respond to disclosures of sexual | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
violence. They may be recent, historic, they may be things that | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
did happen on campus and recent things that happened away from | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
campus. It is a way of working with the whole university in terms of | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
providing effective and appropriate student support. And at Brunel | :14:37. | :14:43. | |
University, having initiated this project which began before the task | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
force work, based on a number of years worth of research into gender | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
related violence and sexual related violence, colleagues of mine who had | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
been undertaking this work and were involved in the project have used | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
that research, knowledge and understanding, the issues around the | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
legal and the NUS campaigning work that goes on, and to embed that in | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
the practice of the University. So when we began the project and we | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
asked for interested parties, the steering group consists of 26 | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
different people with us who have vested interests across the campus | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
in terms of the work that they do, from the counselling service to the | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
chaplaincy and student welfare and equality and diversity and senior | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
leadership, those interested in research. And it has become over the | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
years and especially now with this project, and embedded part of the | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
practice in terms of supporting students. It is also that when | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
students make allegations, they are taken very seriously, so the point | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
at which they are reported at university in our particular case, | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
they go straight to the senior team in the University. | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
On top of the experience you had when you felt nobody did you | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
seriously, what does that do to you? That was the hardest bit of anything | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
of what happened. We use the word re-traumatised in, it was incredibly | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
upsetting to get the guts and go and reach out for help and to report and | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
Abbott disbelief that reinforced your worst fears -- to have that | :16:25. | :16:34. | |
disbelief. It was only because I had phenomenal friends that stop me | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
thinking it was my fault and to have them say no and hold that line. So | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
many students don't have that support network. That is why it is | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
so important that anybody receiving a disclosure should be trained | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
appropriately so the response is sensitive and they don't slip into | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
victim blaming. That comes through in the report, not only that we need | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
specialist staff who can help facilitate access to support | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
services but we need to make sure that any front-line staff who might | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
receive a disclosure, whether it is porters or academic tutors, have a | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
basic understanding of what to say and what not to say. And to pick up | :17:15. | :17:22. | |
what you said about it perhaps being your fault, which obviously it | :17:23. | :17:24. | |
wasn't, and having strong people around you. We are talking about a | :17:25. | :17:32. | |
spectrum of things that happened. Your issue is that you are going out | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
less because of sexual harassment. I would say the most important issue | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
to remember is that from low level sexual harassment, mainly the things | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
that I experienced, all the way up to the more serious sexual violence | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
and rape cases, it all comes under the group of any sort of contact, | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
whether it is low-level, violent or otherwise, that the person has no | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
consent to, that is classed as sexual harassment. It does not | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
matter if it happens on campuses or in the middle of London or on | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
transport. It does not matter where or when, it is the fact that it | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
happens. The term used is lavish culture, is that how you would | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
describe it? -- ladish culture. I would not associate lad culture with | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
only males, I would say it is the culture more than it is male. Can I | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
come in on that? I know this is a term that people use a lot. My | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
biggest concern with the focus on that culture is it stops the rest of | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
us from taking it seriously. If they picked themselves, it would not be a | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
problem. It is not just a problem on universities, amongst lads and | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
sportspeople, this is a broader cultural issue about how we think | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
about sex and consent and how we treat women. Totally. Does it come | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
down to the messaging going out and that needs to filter down from a | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
certain level at universities and educational establishments? People | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
don't recognise what is happening and that means you are more likely | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
to engage in it and it is more normalised. It is that the report | :19:31. | :19:39. | |
touched on, having proper prevent strategies and impact assessments on | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
how they are dealing with that. That is something we are doing at | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
Warwick, putting consent education into the curriculum through | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
departments. We have got a text through which is worth bringing in. | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
Harry says I'm a male university student, I welcome calls for better | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
at dealing with sexual assault on campus but caution is required to | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
prevent a witchhunt. False accusation ruin lies in the same way | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
that sexual assault does and we must not create a culture to cry rape | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
when people allow a consensual encounter. I certainly have | :20:16. | :20:29. | |
something to say about that. The first thing to recognise is all the | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
data we have suggests that false reports of rape are incredibly rare. | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
It is not a common thing to do and you have to realise that a woman to | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
stand up and make an of that sort is very difficult and you attract a lot | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
of flak and stigma and I can speak about personally. In terms of | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
concerns about the portion of the report that suggests that | :20:57. | :20:58. | |
universities should be willing to engage in disciplinary procedures, | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
and people say you had to leave it to the criminal justice process, if | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
universities were saying that we can make finding about criminal | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
offences, you would be absolutely right but that is not what they are | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
doing. They are saying, as with anything else with it is theft or | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
drug addition, vandalism, we can make a finding of misconduct which | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
is you breach the code of conduct you signed up you started. We | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
already have procedures in place for dealing with disciplinary things and | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
it is perverse, and the report points this outcome is that the | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
current situation is that you can report something low-level and the | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
University is willing to engage and if it is serious, they will think it | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
is too hard. The report has careful consideration of the balancing of | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
the interests of different parties, the need to ensure fairness to the | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
person accused while also respecting the complainant. I would encourage | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
anybody concerned about this to look at the report and see that all of | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
those interests have been taken into account and to recognise that not | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
only do we have concerns about defendant rights but also equality | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
act and human rights obligations to complainant 's. You are both nodding | :22:10. | :22:16. | |
at that as people in a position of responsible at the obviously. Thank | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
you all very much for coming in and talking to us and sharing your | :22:20. | :22:27. | |
difficult experience. And thank you for your comments, keep on getting | :22:28. | :22:29. | |
in touch with everything we are talking about. | :22:30. | :22:31. | |
The Prince of Wales unveils a memorial to the 144 victims | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
of the Aberfan disaster, who died 50 years ago when thousands | :22:37. | :22:38. | |
of tonnes of coal waste engulfed the village. | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
We'll speak to a woman who - as an eight year old girl - | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
had to climb through the roof of her primary school to survive. | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
It's "no tourist trip to the Med" - that's what the Russian newspapers | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
are saying this morning and the Ministry of Defence says | :22:56. | :22:57. | |
that a flotilla of Russian warships will be "marked every inch | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
of the way", as it passes through the English Channel | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
It's thought the Russians are testing British capabilities, | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
as well as re-enforcing the bombardment campaign on the | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
A Russian aircraft carrier, believed to be in convoy, | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
has already entered the Channel, off the coast near Ramsgate. | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
In a moment, we'll go to Dover, where our correspondent | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
First, to Calais, and our correspondent Simon Jones. | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
Can you see it where you are? We are monitoring the water like the | :23:30. | :23:38. | |
British authorities and the French authorities have been, saying they | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
are following it every step of the way. Here in France they are | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
monitoring the situation through radar, the Coast Guard station is | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
just along from here, and they are checking in regularly with their | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
British counterparts who have sent out two ships into the channel to | :23:56. | :24:03. | |
market mark it. They are also regularly checking in with Nato. | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
This combo is heading to join other Russian ships as part of the Syrian | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
complex -- convoy. This is Russia saying that we have the rights to | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
take our ships into international waters and it is also Britain | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
responding as part of Nato saying, if you do that, we will make sure as | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
you come through our water as part of the English Channel, we will | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
monitor everything going on. The aircraft carrier will be closest to | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
the other side of the Channel, in British waters, but those | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
effectively become international waters because there is nothing | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
stopping Russia doing this and they have the right to do it as part of | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
Nato. But it shows the build-up of tension and a message from Europe, | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
saying that they are watching and not liking what is going on in | :24:56. | :25:06. | |
Syria. Let's go to Bryony at Dover. We have been here all morning and | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
just out to my left in the channel we have spotted four warships and | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
there were a further three this morning including two supply ships | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
and a Russian tug. What we're looking for, this big show of? Is | :25:24. | :25:31. | |
the jewel in their crown, the Admiral Kuznetsov which is a carrier | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
which can transport 50 aircraft, although we don't know how many are | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
on board. It has the capability of anti-ship missiles. We are expecting | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
it to come through at some point this morning, perhaps in the next 20 | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
minutes. The Ministry of Defence has said they will man mark this fleet | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
that is passing through. This is international water but they are | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
near to UK waters and mainland. They will monitor them the whole way | :26:03. | :26:09. | |
through. Their final destination is the eastern Mediterranean so they | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
will go through the Strait of Gibraltar into the Mediterranean and | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
on Syria. As we know, heightened tensions between Nato, EU leaders | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
and Russia about Russian involvement in the war. We are waiting to see | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
this big show of force, it is quite far out but it is certainly not the | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
usual day here in written's busiest shipping lane. We can take a live | :26:36. | :26:50. | |
map of ships currently in UK waters. The red mugs are military ships, | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
yellow our cargo ships and the blue ones are fishing vessels. The | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
Russian ships are under the radar so they do not appear but the tugs that | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
accompanied them do. What this gives you is a clear idea of how many | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
ships there are in these waters at the moment. | :27:10. | :27:11. | |
Let's speak to Keir Giles who's an expert in Russian security issues | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
at the Conflict Studies Research Centre. | :27:15. | :27:15. | |
He joins us from our Cambridge studio. | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
Thank you for joining us. Why are they come this way to get to Syria? | :27:19. | :27:28. | |
Is it the only way? From where they are based, yes, they have to pass a | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
bike to get to the eastern Mediterranean. There was nothing | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
unusual about that, it is not the first time the Admiral Kuznetsov has | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
deployed there, but what is different is passing through the | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
English Channel and a lot more is being read into that than it | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
necessarily the case. The media here are extremely excited about it but | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
everything your correspondent explained about them passing through | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
is perfectly normal. They have the right to get through international | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
waters and everything that passes through these shipping lane is | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
watched closely and it is normal for the Royal Navy to keep tabs on major | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
Russian naval assets. In that respect there is nothing exciting | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
about this. It is quite a show of force, isn't it? I would be the | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
largest deployment of the Russian Navy has made once these ships | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
joined with others returning from the Mediterranean but it is part of | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
a process. Russia has been building up this for long time, accessing | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
naval expeditions for the last ten years ever since they restarted | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
long-range patrolling. They have been practising using their | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
different weapons systems and acid in Syria, even the ones not suited | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
for the job, to make the most of the training opportunity as they | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
describe it. How will the way this is being seen, although I appreciate | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
what you are saying, but how will this be seen in Russia? It could be | :28:54. | :29:00. | |
that it was intended initially as some form of test or provocation or | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
demonstration of forced. It might have been that, as with previous | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
cruises in Norwegian waters by the Kuznetsov, there was some sort of | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
irresponsible action protest the country but it seems that if this is | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
attention seeking, they have already got that. They might not need to do | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
anything anti-social because everybody's attention is on this | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
flotilla and in that respect Russia has achieved what it wants. You | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
think there is an element of that? Absolutely, it is an element of what | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
Russia is trying to do in terms of preparing for what they feel is a | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
growing conflict with the West. They want to make sure that everybody is | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
aware that they have a potent and capable military and there are costs | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
in doing things which Russia does not like. They have a recent track | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
record of showing off more and more of their military capability, both | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
within Syria, demonstrating as much of their weaponry and tactics and | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
individuals as possible, but also beyond in northern Europe. The | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
long-awaited move of long-range missiles to Kader Nouni grad. It is | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
all part of a pattern and part of their long-term programme of being | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
ready for a big conflict. And in response to British warships are | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
shadowing an aircraft carrier and those naval ships. That's right, but | :30:22. | :30:30. | |
again, perfectly normal. If you think of this in the pattern of | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
Russian aircraft probing British airspace, coming close but not | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
inside it, testing their weapons runs for collecting intelligence on | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
this country, practising strikes come all the time it is monitored by | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
British and other Nato air and radar assets to make sure what they are up | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
to. Thank you. Wales remembers victims of | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
the Aberfan disaster 50 years ago. We will hear from somebody who was | :30:51. | :31:10. | |
at the school, aged eight, when it happened. | :31:11. | :31:11. | |
And it's not just the sugar in fizzy drinks that can damage your health - | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
new research has revealed that drinks containing artificial | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
sweeteners can also lead to health complications, | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
With the News, here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom. | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
A minute's silence has been held to mark the 50th anniversary | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
150,000 tonnes of coal waste engulfed a junior school | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
and surrounding homes in the Welsh village, killing 144 people, | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
Prince Charles is attending a ceremony in Aberfan this morning, | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
and more events to commemorate the disaster will be held | :31:39. | :31:46. | |
Former Prime Minister David Cameron has congratulated Robert Courts | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
on his victory in the Witney by-election. | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
Mr Courts was elected to the Oxfordshire seat | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
with a reduced majority, with the Conservative vote share | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
Labour retained Batley in West Yorkshire - | :32:00. | :32:11. | |
left vacant since the killing of Jo Cox in June. | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
The party's candidate, Tracy Brabin, won a majority | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
The other main parties chose not to put up candidates. | :32:17. | :32:27. | |
Two British warships are shadowing a Russian aircraft carrier and other | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
naval ships as they pass close to the UK. | :32:31. | :32:32. | |
The ships are heading through the English Channel | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
on their way, it's thought, to the eastern Mediterranean. | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
There's been criticism of Russia's aggressive | :32:38. | :32:38. | |
polices from the President of the European Council, | :32:39. | :32:40. | |
Theresa May will hold talks with the President | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
of the EU Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
in Brussels this lunchtime, where she's attending her first EU | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
Mrs May told EU leaders last night that the UK would play a full part | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
in decision-making until the Brexit process is complete. | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, said she expects | :32:58. | :32:59. | |
the Brexit negotiations to be "rough-going". | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock. | :33:06. | :33:12. | |
Jessica's back now with the morning's sports headlines. | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
We're onto day two of England's first Test in Bangladesh. | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
England were all out for 293 in their first innings. | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
Bangladesh had a bit of a wobble early on in their reply, | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
but they've found they're rhythm, with Tamim Iqbal | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
A moment ago, Bangladesh were on 154-3. | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
World-record signing Paul Pogba scored twice as Manchester United | :33:40. | :33:41. | |
beat Fenerbahce 4-1 at Old Trafford in the Europa League. | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
Former United striker Robin van Persie scored the consolation | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
They lost 1-0 at Inter Milan after missing a host of chances. | :33:47. | :33:55. | |
Despite Southampton's 11 shots in the second half, | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
it was the Italian side who got the only goal in the San Siro. | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
And it's been confirmed this morning that, after a difficult few months, | :34:04. | :34:14. | |
Ian Drake will step down as chief executive of British | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
In a statement, he said it was the right time to move on. | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
That is it, more across the day on the Channel. | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
As you've been hearing, a minute's silence has been observed | :34:28. | :34:29. | |
in Aberfan to mark the 50th anniversary of the disaster which | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
150,000 tonnes of coal waste engulfed the village in South Wales, | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
destroying a junior school and surrounding homes. | :34:37. | :34:37. | |
Bethan Rhys-Roberts is in Aberfan for us. | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
Thank you very much. Yes, the service down at the cemetery has | :34:44. | :34:51. | |
just finished, there were 300-400 people, among them Prince Charles, | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
survivors, families, local dignitaries and politicians paying | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
their respects. Many of them now coming to the memorial garden here, | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
the exact place where Pantglas Primary School stud. We will talk to | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
survivors later on. First, let's hear eyewitness accounts as they | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
unfolded on disastrous days 50 years ago. What happened, Mrs Griffiths? I | :35:15. | :35:24. | |
just came in from getting the milk and I noticed the children were | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
playing in the street going on their way to school and I just went in to | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
give my children their breakfast and I heard a terrible noise like a jet, | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
exactly like a jet was coming very low and crashing. I ran out the back | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
and all I could see was eight arable black cloud of smoke and dust and my | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
neighbours said, there has been an explosion by the school. I ran back | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
in the House and I told my eldest little girl, Pat, addressed the | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
babies quickly and get out, I am running down the phone the police. | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
Which I did, I ran down to the Social Democratic club, I told the | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
landlady, they gave me money to dial up and I didn't really need the | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
money, I dialled 999 and said to send the police. Some of the | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
children were not in school at the time? They're definitely where | :36:14. | :36:24. | |
children playing in the street. Somebody said they were going into | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
the local sweet shop. There was one little girl in the sweet shop, I am | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
certain of that, I saw her myself. What happens to her? They have not | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
got any of them, that road has gone and my road, everything has gone. | :36:34. | :36:35. | |
My daughter is in it. How old is your daughter? Eight. When did you | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
last see her? This morning. Any idea where she might be? No idea at all, | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
I have tried to find out, but you asked the police and they will not | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
release any information until the Chief Constable decides. Do you know | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
which classroom she was in? Well, looking up there, you cannot tell | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
what class was what, it is just all buried, everything. | :37:01. | :37:07. | |
Janett Bickley survived the tragedy as an eight-year-old school girl | :37:08. | :37:09. | |
And I am also joined by Dennis. You have just been at the service, it | :37:10. | :37:19. | |
must have been incredibly moving? Yes, very poignant, as a community, | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
we do not get together at a big gathering. Big anniversary, 50 | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
years, so we pulled together. A bit difficult sullying the parents but | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
the survivors are there and we are lucky to be able to to attend some | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
children could not attend because they died -- difficult seeing the | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
parents. What you remember of that day 50 years ago, you are here? I | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
remember it vividly, waking up in the morning, I had been in hospital | :37:48. | :37:50. | |
with pneumonia and my brother said I did not want to go to school because | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
I was sick. I said, I am fine. My mother says, she is fine, my brother | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
said, she doesn't want to go. It was half term, a half day, and wanted to | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
go to school. My mother sent it to school with my brother. I remember | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
walking up the lane to the school and I remember sitting at my desk | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
and saying to the teacher, I think there is smoke outside. And he said, | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
that is the steam from the canteen. He was a young, new teacher. I | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
remember thinking, we haven't got a canteen. It is in the senior school. | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
And it got louder, the rumbling. The smoke got worse, it was steam | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
really. And I put my book over my head and put my head on the desk. | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
And next thing I know, I woke up with the desk over my head basically | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
in the rafters of the roof. You heard screaming around you. One | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
little girl was lying across me. I try to help her and she was | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
screaming for me not to move, she was hurting. And a friend of mine, | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
Melvin, he woke up and he pulled the desk from my head and he was digging | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
me out and he said, let's go for help. So I got out and my friend | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
Gerald grabbed hold of my leg and he asked for help and I could not pull | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
him out. I said, I will going get help. So myself and Melvin climbed | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
out of the hole in the roof. We could not find a way out and we went | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
back in and climbed through a different hole and we ran into the | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
hallway, where people were outside trying to get children through the | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
window. So I wouldn't go out because of the young boy in front of me, | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
Bernhard Thomas. He wouldn't move, he was so traumatised. So Mr | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
Williams jumped through the window and he grabbed hold of me and he | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
pulled me out and he took me directly across the road to a house | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
and he put me on the sofa waiting for an ambulance. I said, I need to | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
go back because my friend, my friends are and they went back into | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
get the rest the survivors and I said, my mother will never find me | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
and they said, they will find you, so I waited and I ran away. Dennis, | :40:10. | :40:18. | |
you are 18 and in Cardiff at the time and you just had to volunteer, | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
you came here to help. That is right, there was a newsflash and my | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
mum told me about it and I felt that I needed to do something at that | :40:27. | :40:34. | |
age. And when I got here really, the police were stopping everybody. I | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
got through because I wore my army uniform, and they let's through, me | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
and my friend. We came here and we noticed devastation. We did not know | :40:45. | :40:51. | |
what to do and where to start. I remember I was either in or on top | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
of the school. I saw people around me working, nobody telling you what | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
they do. It was a case of just mocking him and getting on with it | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
because there was a slurry from the mountain which was everywhere. | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
Nobody knew basically where the children work but we could guess | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
where they would be and that is where we started working. So they | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
were digging through the schoolroom, I believe it was a room and we | :41:18. | :41:24. | |
formed a line, and we got a shovel and we were shovelling the mock out | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
to get it out. Until today, you had not met a survivor. Yes, this has a | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
special meaning, I am glad I am here to meet the survivors. You just had | :41:36. | :41:44. | |
to be here today? Yes, yes. People didn't talk about Aberfan four years | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
after the disaster and you have spoken about this. He had to keep it | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
under wraps, what did that do to you? Well, I lived in a small | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
cul-de-sac and out of the children that went to school that day, | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
because some did not because it was half term, out of the children, I | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
was the only one who came home alive. So my mother said, you are | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
lucky, just don't talk about it. So that was it, it was never talked | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
about a game between us. A sense of survivors guilt that so many talk | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
about? Yes, we all went to school together and not of us spoke to each | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
other about it. That was the strangest thing because I did not | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
know what the others remembered, perhaps they did not remember it. | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
Dennis, you have got messages this morning from people who did not | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
realise you were involved in any form with Aberfan? That is right, it | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
is not something you talk about. It is in the back of your mind and | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
through the career I have, because it took me to this sort of career, | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
there were times I would have memories of it and mostly affected | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
when I was involved with a child. That would bring back that memory. | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
And you nearly lost your job for volunteering that day. I did, I was | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
working for a firm at that time and because I spent a couple of days | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
away from work because I had to recover because I was so tired after | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
the time I spent here, and when I went to work, and was called into | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
the office because in those days, we did not have a phone in the House | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
and there was no way to make contact. When I got in, he called me | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
in and said I had been absent four days, what have you got to say about | :43:29. | :43:37. | |
that? I said, I can only say I am sorry. He said sorry was not good | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
enough and they would suck you in those days for being absent anyway. | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
I was sent out and I was called back in and the officer in charge said, | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
why did you not tell me you went to Aberfan? -- they would dismiss you | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
in those days. I said I didn't think about. He said, thank you for the | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
community spirit you showed and we will pay you for those days, don't | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
worry. They even had a letter in the post to say thank you for what I | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
did, that was really lovely for me. And the importance of the day, we | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
have had a minute's silence, the service in the cemetery, is that | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
cathartic? How important is that? Very important, because it feels... | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
I will never forget it and I don't want to. It is a line under it for | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
me. I will not be here for the next big anniversary of course but my | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
grandchildren have been involved as well, singing in the Millennium | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
Centre and they'll learning about it now. I have got grandchildren in | :44:41. | :44:49. | |
Somerset and Cornwall, West Wales and Aberfan, learning about it now. | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
They find it very hard to know grandma was there, so a lot of | :44:56. | :44:58. | |
questions at the moment, it is difficult. They are the age I was at | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
the time. It has been very difficult over the years to talk about it. | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
Reporters have been asking, we just want to stay silent and we always | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
did. But it seems easier to talk about it on television because what | :45:16. | :45:22. | |
I say to you now, what I have said, it cannot be misinterpreted, which | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
the newspapers do misinterpret anything you say. And the importance | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
of standing here today, Dennis, it has affected your career choice. You | :45:31. | :45:32. | |
are a paramedic because of Aberfan. The biggest thing I took away from | :45:33. | :45:44. | |
this, the positive side, it was about coming here today, I did not | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
want the media attention, I didn't realise I was retiring on the | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
anniversary until I was told about it, it was coincidental. It is used | :45:52. | :46:00. | |
coming here and sharing with other people exactly what has been going | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
on. One of the biggest things I took away from this, from an equality | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
point of view more than anything, is that it did not matter where you | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
came from, what language you spoke, what colour you work we were here as | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
one as a family and we worked together, no discolouration | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
whatsoever. That is a positive side to this. Thank you ever so much to | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
both of you for sharing your memories. | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
Thank you. One anonymous text says, I arrived at Aberfan at 9:45am on | :46:30. | :46:39. | |
that they are the young policeman. I left there at 830 at night, I still | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
have nightmares of the date will stop a woman asked us to help her | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
little boy. One of our site and is put his arm around her and said we | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
will do what we can and we went in. Hazel says she members crying | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
watching the television. The presenter was crying. I will always | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
have those children and teachers in my heart. Jim says, when I got in | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
from school, my mother and aunt were watching the television and crying. | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
It affected everybody in my class. We were totally aware of the | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
enormity of the disaster and the pictures we were seeing on the news | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
bring it all back, a tragedy that a community as lived with since that | :47:22. | :47:23. | |
day and our thoughts are with each one. | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
Drinking two cans of fizzy drinks a day can increase your risk | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
According to researchers at the Karolinska Institute, | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
sugary drinks containing artificial sweeteners can also lead | :47:38. | :47:39. | |
to complications including, heart attacks, kidney problems, | :47:40. | :47:41. | |
The study followed 2,874 people in Sweden and compared them | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
Now 90% of people have type 2 diabetes. | :47:48. | :47:54. | |
That's about 3.5 million people in the UK | :47:55. | :47:56. | |
And this morning, there are calls from the campaign group | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
Action on Sugar for a tax on all sugary drinks. | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
Joining us from Sweden is Doctor Josefin Lofvenborg. | :48:06. | :48:07. | |
She's the lead scientist who carried out the research. | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
And with me in the studio is Professor Graham MacGregor. | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
He's an NHS cardiovascular expert and chair of Action on Sugar. | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
Thank you for joining us. Tell us more about this study. Obviously it | :48:19. | :48:27. | |
is very interesting, not least because even diet drinks raise your | :48:28. | :48:35. | |
risk. Tell us how much two drinks would elevate your risk of diabetes? | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
What we found was that consuming more than two sweetened beverages | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
per day would increase your risk of diabetes about to fold. Both for | :48:47. | :48:56. | |
type 2 diabetes and also latent or immune -- autoimmune diabetes. | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
Little is known about the risk factors for that kind of diabetes. | :49:02. | :49:10. | |
What conclusions would you draw about the way that policymakers | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
should deal with this? Regarding sugary drinks, it is hard to find | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
any health benefits from them so reducing them and limiting their | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
intake is very good idea for various reasons. When it comes to | :49:27. | :49:29. | |
artificially sweetened beverages, it more tricky. More studies are needed | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
before we can draw any conclusions. It is interesting to have these | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
findings but we need to dig deeper into this and try to understand what | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
is driving these associations. Were you surprised by what you found | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
about artificially sweetened drinks? Yes, to some extent. There are | :49:49. | :49:54. | |
hypotheses that could perhaps explain this but still we thought we | :49:55. | :50:01. | |
would see some kind of difference between the sugary drinks and | :50:02. | :50:03. | |
artificially sweetened drinks. We were a bit surprised. What is your | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
reaction to what they have discovered? It is a very interesting | :50:09. | :50:15. | |
study and it joins a growing body of evidence that artificially sweetened | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
drinks are not good for you. They are related to infertility in women, | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
they don't give you the weight loss that they should do when you switch | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
from sugar sweetened to artificial or water, you get more weight loss | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
with water than artificial one and they also affect the gut microbiota | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
and that may lead to obesity and certainly in animals. How does this | :50:40. | :50:51. | |
feed into the debate, a tax on sugary brings, diet drinks should be | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
brought into that? I think so. There is no evidence these strings are any | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
good for you and there was a growing body that there are bad for you. We | :51:00. | :51:06. | |
are aware that sugar sweetened drinks they are of no benefit, empty | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
calories and we need people to stop printing them because they cause | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
obesity and type 2 diabetes. -- drinking them. This is suggesting | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
that artificially sweetened drinks might do the same so we have to | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
think carefully of the tactics of Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola, saying | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
they are reforming into artificially sweetened drinks and you don't need | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
to worry but they maintain the same sales. There are still people | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
getting beat and getting type 2 diabetes and it is very worrying. -- | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
getting obese. Are there warning signs that you are on the path to | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
type 2 diabetes? It can be reversed in the early stages but when you | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
have the full-blown syndrome, which most people do, you have to diet and | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
take exercise and things that most people are not prepared to do. The | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
problem is that it is the biggest cause of blindness in the UK and in | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
Sweden, the biggest cause of renal replacement for dialysis and | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
transplant and the biggest cause of habitation, you can get gangrene and | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
had a leg amputated. -- amputation. This costs the into pounds, around | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
?10 billion and it is due to excellent two levels, some have | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
estimated, that it will double or triple in the next ten years and it | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
will bankrupt the health service. Theresa May is in charge of the | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
obesity policy and she has to take this seriously and start getting | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
interested in how she will prevent obesity. What is the policy in | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
Sweden? Is this an issue, you have done your study, but is it an issue | :52:47. | :52:55. | |
that is being looked at more widely? Consumption is high also hear as in | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
many places in the world. We don't have the same debate as you have had | :53:01. | :53:09. | |
about sugar tax. Of course it is brought up every now and then and it | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
will be interesting to follow what will happen with the consumption in | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
the UK after this. It is quick to talk to you both, thank you very | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
much. -- great to talk. Government borrowing is up. By how | :53:21. | :53:37. | |
much? The fact that it is up is not good news. It is up to ?10.6 billion | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
but it was supposed to drop. When we're talking about borrowing, we're | :53:43. | :53:48. | |
talking about the amount by which the government outspend id. Income, | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
the budget deficit, and you have to borrow the difference. If we spent | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
more than our income, we would have been find the money from somewhere | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
else and the government find it by borrowing. If you're trying to | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
reduce the deficit, you don't want it going up which is what it has | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
just done. Most economists thought that in September the public sector | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
would borrow about ?8.5 billion more than previously but it is actually | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
10.6 billion. If you look at the year-to-date numbers it is even | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
worse because you have six months of the financial year to date from | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
April until now and we have already borrowed ?45.5 billion. The target | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
for the whole year was 55 billion so they don't have much chance of | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
hitting that. So what is going to happen? We will have some revised | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
targets and forecasts coming out in the Autumn Statement also Philip | :54:42. | :54:51. | |
Hammond has already said they are not having eliminating the deficit | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
by 2020 as that primary goal. That is there enough but you start asking | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
when. If we don't do it by 2020, when is this aspirational goal to | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
have more money coming in than going out going to happen? It becomes very | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
indefinite and increasingly remote. Thank you. | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
Now in its seventh year, Radio One's Teen Hero awards | :55:17. | :55:19. | |
celebrate the achievements of young people aged between 12 and 17 | :55:20. | :55:21. | |
who have gone above and beyond what is expected of them. | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
This year a group of them had an experience of a lifetime | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
Clara and I are here with our teen heroes at a secret location, | :55:28. | :55:39. | |
and we're waiting excitedly for our special guests. | :55:40. | :55:42. | |
Greg has gone to meet them and he's going to bring them | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
As big names go, I think the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge | :55:46. | :55:59. | |
When the Duke and Duchess first walked in it was like, | :56:00. | :56:08. | |
Still kind of feel like I'm dreaming a bit. | :56:09. | :56:16. | |
Yeah, just waiting to wake up in a bit. | :56:17. | :56:19. | |
It's the first time I've ever met royalty. | :56:20. | :56:20. | |
They were genuinely interested in our stories. | :56:21. | :56:22. | |
I suppose I don't know how all of you sort of find time | :56:23. | :56:25. | |
I think this afternoon has been the perfect way to let our teen | :56:26. | :56:34. | |
heroes know just how valued they are. | :56:35. | :56:35. | |
People are looking up to you and saying, | :56:36. | :56:37. | |
"You guys are shining lights for your age group." | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
We also have some badges that we'd like to distribute | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
So I have my glamorous assistant here. | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
This is our teen hero badge that we were just given | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
Only ten people have these in the world. | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
Thank you to Radio 1 as well for the Teen Awards, it's fantastic | :56:58. | :57:07. | |
You're the most modest people I've ever met. | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
You should be very, very proud of all the hard work | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
Today has been a day that none of us will forget in a hurry. | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
You get to shout about some incredible young people who do | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
wonderful things for others and also have a day at the Palace. | :57:24. | :57:26. | |
It's a royal seal of approval, and it doesn't really get | :57:27. | :57:28. | |
any better than that, I don't think. | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
A couple of comments on the conservation we were having about | :57:34. | :57:47. | |
the impact of fizzy drinks on diabetes risk. Martin, a busy drinks | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
packs of 10p should be increased to at least ?1, that the only way to | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
stop people -- fizzy drinks. James says I have always believed that | :58:00. | :58:02. | |
busy drinks that don't contain sugar were safe and I'm worried now. And a | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
couple of comments on sexual harassment in universities, Ian, Lad | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
culture is the same as Trump locker room culture, it is giving the | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
majority of lad and undeserved bad reputation. Thank you for your | :58:16. | :58:17. | |
comments. | :58:18. | :58:19. |