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It's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
This morning, he shot a fatally wounded a Taliban | :00:11. | :00:17. | |
fighter in cold blood, but should this man, | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
His case has been referred to for appeal. | :00:20. | :00:29. | |
In his first TV interview we'll talk to Marine A's commanding officer | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
who resigned in protest of his treatment. | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
And more questions over the actions of Crewe boss Dario Gradi | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
and whether he did enough to prevent sexual abuse at the club. | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
We'll bring you our exclusive story shortly. | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
Also on the programme, we follow the former boxing promoter | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
Kelly Malonie as she takes some of her old clothes | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
I was once the finest nern England. I was once a boxing promoter, but I | :00:50. | :01:00. | |
had an issue with my life. I believe I was born in the wrong body and | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
throughout my life I struggled and I came to terms with myself and I | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
transitioned. Plus a little later in the programme | :01:08. | :01:23. | |
we'll bring you the first interview with three families of victims | :01:24. | :01:32. | |
of serial killer Stephen Port. They've told us they're all planning | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
on suing the Met Police And as always, you can get in touch | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
on all the stories we're talking about this morning, use | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text, you will be charged | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
at the standard network rate. More than 50 people have been killed | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
in Indonesia after a strong earthquake struck the northern | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
province of Aceh - the area of the country devastated | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
by a tsunami in 2004. Many more people are thought to be | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
trapped in the rubble The region has borne the brunt | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
of this morning's earthquake. Local officials say | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
many lives have been It's feared more people could be | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
trapped beneath the rubble. It struck at dawn as many people | :02:15. | :02:23. | |
were preparing for morning prayers. TRANSLATION: This morning I received | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
the report about the earthquake. And I've already ordered | :02:27. | :02:37. | |
all agencies to take action. And soon the chief of presidential | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
staff will be going there. The earthquake struck offshore, | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
about 170 kilometres from the city of Banda Aceh, | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
the capital of Aceh Province on the Sumatra island, | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
measuring a magnitude of 6.4. The effects were felt | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
across much of the province. This area was devastated 12 years | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
ago, when an earthquake with a magnitude of 9.2 triggered | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
a tsunami that killed 170,000 People fled the streets, | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
forced from their homes. Emergency workers try to help | :03:06. | :03:16. | |
and assess the damage. So far, several people have | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
been taken to hospital. And others try and leave the area, | :03:21. | :03:22. | |
fearing further after-shocks. Indonesian's meteorological agency | :03:23. | :03:29. | |
said there is no risk of the tsunami but there has been an appeal | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
for more people to come and help in the search and rescue as they try | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
and cope with the scale Our reporter Mehulika Sitepu is in | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
the Indonesian capital Jakarta. What is the latest on the rescue | :03:40. | :03:57. | |
efforts? Oh, well, heavy machinery is now being used to help escavate | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
the rubble and more machinery are sent to the district because they | :04:04. | :04:14. | |
are short of escavators. The Chief-of-Staff is heading to the | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
area to report to the president so that they can plan what they can do | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
to the area and people affected with the quake. And what about | :04:27. | :04:36. | |
aftershocks? It is reported at least five aftershocks happened after the | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
quake. I talked to one of the residents, so after the quake | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
happened, they actually ran out of their houses, fled to the higher | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
ground because they were afraid of a tsunami because they are still in | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
trauma of what happened in 2004. They say that even though emergency | :04:57. | :05:05. | |
tents, they are afraid to get into the tents or get into their houses | :05:06. | :05:14. | |
because they are traumatised that aftershocks or more quakes will | :05:15. | :05:15. | |
happen. Annita is in the BBC | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
Newsroom with a summary The number of patients waiting four | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
hours or more to be allocated a bed in hospitals in England has risen | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
significantly over A study of NHS England data by BBC | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
News shows that more than one in ten patients admitted for urgent care | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
last year faced long delays - that's almost a five-fold | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
increase since 2011. You've a beautiful | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
calendar for next year... By any standards, Norman Sykes | :05:36. | :05:47. | |
is extremely frail. At 92 he's had a series of strokes | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
and has dementia as a result. In March he was taken to a need | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
where, despite a doctor's warning that this life was at risk, | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
he had to wait for five hours I was shocked to find out | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
that he had to wait in a corridor. I was further exasperated that once | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
he was in A it then took another five hours before they were able | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
to find a bed and Mr Sykes' experience has become | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
increasingly the common. In 2010-2011, fewer than 100,000 | :06:10. | :06:18. | |
people were kept on trolleys or temporary beds for longer | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
than the NHS' four hour maximum. By 2015-2016, it was more | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
than 470,000, although that number was slightly inflated by a new way | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
of calculating trolley waits. Patients on so-called trolley waits | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
are a symptom of a deeper problem. For safety and efficiency, | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
hospitals should have no more than 85% of their beds occupied, | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
but almost three-quarters of England's hospital trusts have | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
exceeded that figure. Health Service figures for Scotland, | :06:45. | :06:54. | |
Wales and Northern Ireland aren't directly comparable with England, | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
but do suggest an increasing Doctors say many hospitals | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
are already dangerously full. With winter coming, demand | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
is likely only to increase. Two drugs firms have been fined | :07:03. | :07:15. | |
almost ?90 million after hiking the cost of an anti-epilepsy | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
drug by up to 2006%. The Competition and Markets | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
Authority said drug-maker Pfizer and distributor Flynn Pharma broke | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
competition law in 2013 when they increased the cost | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
of a medicine used by around 48,000 Both companies say they will appeal | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
against the decision. The senior UN official in Yemen has | :07:31. | :07:39. | |
accused the world of turning a blind eye to a worsening humanitarian | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
disaster there after twenty Jamie McGoldrick told BBC News that | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
children were dying of hunger because the international response | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
was "extraordinarily underfunded". He said the country's infrastructure | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
had collapsed and more than half the population lacked | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
the means to sustain itself. And later in the programme, | :07:58. | :08:04. | |
Victoria will be talking to Oxfam to find out more | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
about the situation in Yemen. Government forces in Syria have | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
taken control of more rebel strongholds in the divided | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
city of Aleppo. Reports say they've captured five | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
more previously rebel-held areas, and now have control | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
of all of Aleppo's historic The army, which is being supported | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
by Russian forces, has now seized about seventy percent of territory | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
held by rebel forces in Aleppo Authorities in Bolivia have arrested | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
the head of the airline involved in last week's plane crash | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
in Colombia that killed 71 people including most | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
of the Brazilian football team, The plane, operated by the LaMia | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
airline, was flying from Bolivia to the city of Medellin | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
when it ran out of fuel. New powers to prevent people | :08:44. | :08:52. | |
being stalked are to be introduced Officers will be able to apply | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
for Stalking Protection Orders as soon as people raise the alarm, | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
which would ban suspects from approaching their targets | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
and sending them messages The move comes after the number | :09:02. | :09:02. | |
of stalking offences reported to police increased by more | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
than 1,000 over the past year. The Royal Navy's former flagship HMS | :09:07. | :09:19. | |
Illustrious will make its final voyage this morning when it sails | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
from Portsmouth on its The aircraft carrier | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
was decommissioned in 2014 after 32 years in service | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
in which it was deployed as far afield as the Falkland Islands | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
and the Persian Gulf. It had been hoped that the ship | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
could be kept in the UK, but last year the Government | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
announced it was being sold to a Turkish scrapyard | :09:36. | :09:43. | |
for ?2 million. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :09:44. | :09:45. | |
News - more at 9.30. Do get in touch with us | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Sad sad news. Good morning. Sad | :09:54. | :10:04. | |
news, indeed this morning. The Dubai ladies Masters first round was | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
suspended after the caddy of French player collapsed on the 13th | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
fairway. Here she is being consoled. We don't see her caddy. She has not | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
been named -- he has not been named as yet. He was treated by the | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
medical team in Dubai before he was taken to hospital where he died. The | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
tournament has been reduced. Play will resume. The European Tour | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
offered heartfelt condolences to the individual's family and loved ones. | :10:37. | :10:38. | |
Let's talk about the Champions League. What are the highlights? | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
Yes, it was a good night for Arsene Wenger. They went to Basel and won | :10:44. | :10:51. | |
4-1. They topped Group A. It was a special night for Lucas Perez. He | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
helped them finish top of their group for the first time in four | :10:57. | :11:04. | |
years. Paris St Germain drew. The Gunners to still face the likes of | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, so they will be hoping for a favourable | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
draw. Manchester City finished second. They drew with Celtic who go | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
out of Europe altogether. Novak Djokovic is making changes to try to | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
get back to the number one spot in tennis? Indeed, Victoria. It has | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
been a difficult time of late for Novak Djokovic. I say difficult, but | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
he is still the world's number two player. The rise of Andy Murray has | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
been food for thought for Novak Djokovic. This time last year he had | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
twice as many ranking points as his nearest rival, although he won the | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
Australian and French Opens, he decided to split from his coach | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
Boris Becker with whom he has worked for the past three years. The pair | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
won six Grand Slam titles in their time together and they say they have | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
achieved their targets, the Serbian talked of personal issues and he has | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
struggled with injury. A new direction could be what he needs to | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
drive him on to the 13th Grand Slam, Victoria. And cheer leading at the | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
Olympics? Stay with me on this one! I was surprised when I heard the | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
news as well, thinking, surely, it must be an American thing. Well, | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
there are many countries that would be wanting to take part, the | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
International Cheer leading Union boast over 100 national federations | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
and more than 4.5 million registered athletes which is rather a lot. | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
Importantly as well for the International Olympic Committee the | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
sport has a youth focus as they are looking to build for the future. It | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
won't ever necessarily make the Games, but it has received | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
provisional recognition as an Olympic sport. That means they can | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
get IOC funding and they apply for a place in the Games so it is a | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
possibility for the future, Victoria. Thank you very much, Hugh. | :12:53. | :13:04. | |
This morning, more questions over the actions of Crewe boss | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
Dario Gradi and whether he did enough to prevent sexual abuse | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
at the club where he was the manager and is now Director of Football. | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
A mother of one ex-youth player has told this | :13:14. | :13:15. | |
programme she wrote - anonymously - to him more | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
than 25 years ago, back in 1989-1990, saying | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
she was concerned that boys were being asked to stay overnight | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
in the same bedroom as an adult member of staff and warning | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
Dario Gradi has consistently said he didn't know anything | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
about alleged abuse until 1994 - five years later. | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
Dario Gradi one of the longest serving managers in the professional | :13:36. | :13:47. | |
game. He has been at Crewe for more than 30 years. Anyone that's been | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
following events in football recently will know that Crewe has | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
been at the centre of some of these abuse allegations. People want to | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
know what did people in authority know back then? And could more have | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
been done to protect young players? Well, as you say, we have been | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
speaking to a mother of one young trainee around the end of the 80s | :14:08. | :14:14. | |
and the beginning of the 90ings she says she wrote an anonymous letter | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
to Dario Gradi back then raising concerns about some of the ways | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
young players were being treated including, she says, her young boy | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
was being taken away for away games overnight. Was being kept in a hotel | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
and often there weren't enough bedrooms available for the boys so | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
he was being forced and other boys were forced to share a room with | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
adult members of stasmt. She is not saying abuse took place, she is | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
saying she wrote this letter saying, "Look this arrangement was totally | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
inappropriate." She wanted Dario Gradi to take action, she says, to | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
stop this. This is what she told us. | :14:50. | :15:00. | |
So I wrote to Dario Gradi to say I was concerned that a member of staff | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
was taking the young footballers on footballing weekends and they | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
hadn't, they were telling the young boys that they hadn't booked enough | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
beds for all the boys and some of them would have to share beds with | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
this member of staff and so I said in a letter that I thought it was | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
totally inappropriate and it was easily remedied that they could get | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
some more beds. I asked if he could look into, you know, what was going | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
on. I didn't make any accusations because I didn't know what was going | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
on. I didn't have proof. I just wanted someone to find out why | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
members of staff were sleeping with young boys. Why do you write | :15:45. | :15:54. | |
anonymously? I did not want them to take it out on my son. | :15:55. | :16:03. | |
I did not trust them. I thought they may just say, we don't want your son | :16:04. | :16:13. | |
in our team if you are going to cause trouble. I was pretty weak at | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
the time, probably not the best thing to do. But you were worried? | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
Yes, it was that good instinct. I have no proof. And the fact this | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
member of staff did not feed my son, son he did really well, my son lost | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
such a lot of weight, over two or three days. I said, why did you not | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
go and buy some food? He said, the member of staff had taken the money | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
off him, he did not have any, they had no way of getting food or | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
anything. Your letter was purely about the sleeping arrangements? | :16:54. | :17:00. | |
Yes. Do you know if Dario Gradi got the letter, read the letter? I have | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
no idea. I thought it will take time, because they may be doing | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
covert investigations, naive me. Nothing happened. As far as I know, | :17:14. | :17:24. | |
nothing happened. There was another weekend that my son wanted to go on, | :17:25. | :17:35. | |
so he went on this weekend, he had money in his bags, I said, you can | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
go, but if you don't feel right about anything, you must either | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
phone me... Because if you don't, I will come to get you. Hopefully I | :17:48. | :17:55. | |
did not frighten him, but I said I would come and get him. He did phone | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
me, and I said, are you OK? He said, we have been showing some horror | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
movies. It turned out he had his own bedroom, but even then there were | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
boys sharing beds with members of staff. My son sounded when he phoned | :18:14. | :18:24. | |
me. They had done nothing, because they were still sharing a bed. It | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
might be hard to answer, but when you reflect, do you think there was | :18:31. | :18:42. | |
more you could have done then? I did speak to a social worker, and she | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
said that if nothing had happened to my son, they could not do anything, | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
and it was up to other people's parents to report it. And to take my | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
son away from the School of excellence if I was worried. He | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
wanted to take football, so that fosters occult. I spoke to a police | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
officer who did not share my concerns, so that got nowhere. I | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
wrote to two National newspapers, but I am not aware that anything | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
happened. Asking them to investigate, just to see what was | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
going on. I could have done a lot more, I suppose, but I did not have | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
evidence. I did not know of anyone else. I did not really know, it was | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
a gut instinct, really. It was very difficult. | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
They are men now, but all of those children. Somebody must have known | :19:49. | :20:00. | |
it was going on, it cannot just have been me. It cannot just have been me | :20:01. | :20:07. | |
that told somebody something was going on, there is no way. Out of | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
all those parents or people watching the football, it can't have been | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
just me. I find it very odd. You did as much as you could. I want to say | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
I am sorry to those lads that got abused, because I could have done | :20:24. | :20:30. | |
more. But it is all hindsight. She is the mum of one youth player. | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
Her bawling was about children sleeping in bed with adults and the | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
under booking of beds -- her warning. It was not about abuse. | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
What have Dario Gradi and Crewe said? | :20:44. | :20:44. | |
Well, Mr Gradi has previously said he "knew nothing" about the alleged | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
abuse of young footballers by anyone connected with the club until 1994, | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
five years after this mum wrote her anonymous letter. | :20:55. | :20:56. | |
We don't know if this letter was ever received or read | :20:57. | :20:59. | |
by Mr Gradi or anyone else at the club. | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
In a statement last night he said to us, "Aside | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
from denying any wrongdoing, it would be unfair on all parties | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
to comment piecemeal through the media at this time." | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
And we now know that the FA expects to interview Dario Gradi | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
There was a report in the Independent newspaper last week, | :21:13. | :21:24. | |
about him when he was at Chelsea. The allegation is he smoothed over | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
more allegations of abuse against a man called Eddie Heath, a youth | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
trainer and coach at Chelsea at the time. Dario Gradi denies wrongdoing. | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
Yesterday our colleague Dan Roan spoke to Mr Gradi outside | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
Hello. Can we ask if you have considered your position, given what | :21:41. | :21:54. | |
has happened? I have made my statement, I have nothing more to | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
add. Did you want to apologise to the players? Steve Waters has not | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
had an apology. What are your links with Eddie Heath? What are your legs | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
with Eddie Heath? -- your links? And Matt Le Tissier also spoke out | :22:09. | :22:17. | |
about abuse last night? A man who played eight | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
times for England and one of Southampton's best-loved players, | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
spent his whole career Last night he spoke | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
out for the first time about the allegations around | :22:27. | :22:36. | |
Bob Higgins, the former He said he doesn't consider himself | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
a victim of sexual abuse, but did see what he describes | :22:41. | :22:49. | |
as inappropriate behaviour. I became a schoolboy late, I did not | :22:50. | :23:04. | |
have a great deal of time as a schoolboy. My apprenticeship came | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
quickly afterwards. Boys talk at that age, they take the Mickey, it | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
gets covered up as banter at that stage. When you grow into an adult | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
and you look back, you think, that is not right. " boys used to stay | :23:18. | :23:25. | |
over at his house, and that was quite commonplace. How do you look | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
at that now? It would never be allowed in this day and age. There | :23:31. | :23:37. | |
was one time on one of the few occasions I chemicals to Southampton | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
I was due to stay at his house, and the day before I was told, no, you | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
will stay at one of the other players who with their parents. | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
Looking back, I feel less that happen. -- blessed. Was it just | :23:51. | :24:00. | |
banter? How was it reviewed at the time? When I was there, everyone was | :24:01. | :24:12. | |
naked, getting thrown on this bed, very quick massage. It was | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
uncomfortable, it was something I was not used to, growing up, even at | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
school, you were shy about your body at that age, you did not address in | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
front of other people. I remember feeling very uncomfortable. You | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
experienced it? Yes. How do you look at it now? It is very, very wrong. | :24:39. | :24:50. | |
Looking back on it, you think it was wrong. But as a young boy, you saw | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
everybody else doing it, and you thought, right, is this normal? | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
Clearly, it wasn't. The BBC hasn't been able to speak | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
to Mr Higgins, who until recently He has in the past | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
denied the allegations, and he was acquitted of sexual-abuse | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
charges in 1992. And, yet more revelations, | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
this time about a London club? This is about Queens Park Rangers, | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
QPR, and a man called Chris Gieler. He was at the club for 30 years, | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
working in youth development We spoke last night to a former | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
player who said he was sexually Touched inappropriately | :25:30. | :25:44. | |
when he was just 15. Speaking anonymously, he said, "He, | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
that's Chris Gieler, I had an ice pack on my groin | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
and he started touching my groin." He went on to say he "slapped his | :25:54. | :26:01. | |
hand out of the way" We also spoke to a second QPR | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
player, again this is anonymously. He told us that although he didn't | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
suffer abuse himself, Mr Gieler used to give the boys | :26:11. | :26:12. | |
presents and gifts, and he felt overall his actions | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
were often inappropriate. QPR say they take these allegations | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
very seriously and will cooperate A couple of messages from those of | :26:19. | :26:39. | |
you who were watching the mother of one former youth player at Crewe | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
Alexandra. One says, the poor woman is blaming herself, and she told | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
people what was happening. Another person says, she did more than so | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
many others that knew more. If you have been affected by any of these | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
issues, you can find a list of helplines on our website. | :26:58. | :27:07. | |
Still to come, we follow the former boxing promoter who revealed just | :27:08. | :27:09. | |
over two years ago she was living as a woman as she takes her old | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
clothes, she wore throughout her career, to donate to refugees in | :27:16. | :27:16. | |
France. The families of three of the victims | :27:17. | :27:18. | |
of serial killer Stephen Port have told this programme that they're | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
intending to sue the Met Police. They'll be with me in the studio | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
to tell us why just after 10am. Time for the latest news headlines. | :27:25. | :27:43. | |
More than 50 people have been killed in Indonesia after a strong | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
earthquake struck the northern province of Aceh. | :27:50. | :27:59. | |
The 6.5 magnitude quake struck offshore in the early | :28:00. | :28:01. | |
Dozens of buildings have collapsed and people are feared | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
The number of patients waiting four hours or more to be allocated a bed | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
in hospitals in England has risen significantly over | :28:10. | :28:11. | |
A study of NHS data by BBC News shows that more than one in ten | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
patients admitted for urgent care last year faced long delays - | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
that's almost a five-fold increase since 2011. | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
NHS England said "growing demand" was putting pressure on the system. | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
But it said the vast amount of patients were treated within four | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
hours of. Two drugs firms have been fined | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
after hiking the cost of an anti-epileptic drug by up to 2006%. | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
The Competition and Markets Authority said drug maker Pfizer | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
and distributor Flynn Pharma broke competition law in 2013 | :28:43. | :28:44. | |
when they increased the cost of a medicine used by around 48,000 | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
Both companies say they will appeal against the decision. | :28:48. | :28:55. | |
The senior UN official in Yemen has accused the world of turning a blind | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
eye to a worsening humanitarian disaster there after twenty | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
Jamie McGoldrick told BBC News that children were dying of hunger | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
because the international response was "extraordinarily underfunded". | :29:08. | :29:09. | |
He said the country's infrastructure had collapsed and more than half | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
the population lacked the means to sustain itself. | :29:13. | :29:23. | |
your messages, Harry says, why is this still going on? When is this | :29:24. | :29:31. | |
going to end? Time for the latest sport. | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
The Dubai Ladies Masters first round was suspended after a caddie | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
collapsed on the 13th fairway. It was a sad scene. This is a picture | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
of her being consoled. He has not yet been named, but he was treated | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
before being taken to hospital, where he later died. | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
Arsenal finished top of their Champions League group for the first | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
time in four seasons, with a 4-1 butchery at Basel. Lucas Perez | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
scored a hat-trick. Manchester City finished second in their group, they | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
drew 1-1 against Celtic, who dropped out of Celtic -- Europe. | :30:11. | :30:18. | |
Keaton Jennings will become Alastair Cook's latest opening partner. | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
England are 2-0 in the five match series. Could cheer leading become | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
an Olympic sport? The discipline received provisional recognition as | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
an Olympic sport which means it can get IOC funding. It can also apply | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
for a place in the Games three years from now. That's all the sport for | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
now. I will be back with more after 10am. | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
Frank Maloney was a British boxing promoter who managed the likes | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
of undisputed heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis. | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
Just over two years ago she announced that she was living | :30:53. | :30:54. | |
as a woman and undergoing gender reassignment. | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
Now Kellie Maloney's decided to donate her old clothes | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
to refugees in France where she also wanted to see | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
first-hand the challenges faced by lesbian, gay, | :31:02. | :31:03. | |
bisexual and transgender refugees who fled their homes | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
because of persecution due to their sexuality | :31:06. | :31:06. | |
I need as much PR out of this as possible! | :31:07. | :31:16. | |
In the last 24 hours, the 61-year-old has revealed | :31:17. | :31:24. | |
This jacket was one of the first jackets I ever got. | :31:25. | :31:37. | |
It was given to me by the TV company that promoted Lennox's fights. | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
And it's got a lot of history and a lot of value to it. | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
I used to buy a suit after every fight and this was my first real | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
sort of expensive suit I bought in New York, just after Lewis | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
As soon as I saw this in the Italian shop in New York, | :31:56. | :32:07. | |
I thought do you know what, I've got to have that suit, | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
and I bought it, and I would get people saying to me, | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
who do you think you are, wearing it, a gangster? | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
And I would say, I could be, couldn't I? | :32:17. | :32:24. | |
And I went and had this suit made in London, | :32:25. | :32:26. | |
it's from old English worsted and I wanted a Rupert Bear type suit | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
Actually if I had to pay for it it would have been about ?3000. | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
But the tailors gave it to me as long as I gave them a free ad | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
in the programme which was good because I used to do | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
The amount of money I paid, over the years, for these suits, | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
I will admit I have kept one jacket that I'm not going to give away. | :32:45. | :32:53. | |
That was my Lennox Lewis world title jacket. | :32:54. | :33:01. | |
These are part of my life and my history and I was keeping it | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
and I was going to do some boot sales this coming summer and donate | :33:06. | :33:13. | |
But, you know, I've always watched on television, | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
And I realised, like, I've got so much stuff here, | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
instead of selling it, it might be beneficial | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
I'm just finally, I suppose, cutting the final strings, | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
and it's taken me quite a bit of time to bury Frank, I suppose, | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
because he was such a larger than life character. | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
And sometimes I get upset about it, and other times, I think, it's just, | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
it was someone that really lived a life that wasn't the true life. | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
You know, it's time now to let the past and let Frank | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
I think the clothes will be going to a good cause now. | :33:50. | :34:02. | |
I've watched lots of programmes on the refugees and I've got | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
But I don't think anyone's ever covered the LGBT refugees, | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
what they've been through, to get to where they are. | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
Besides losing their country and some of their family, | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
they've had to come to terms with themselves and come out | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
in a society which, you know, if you are trans or gay, | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
And I feel their journey would have been a lot harder than mine. | :34:26. | :34:44. | |
We should have brought the chocolate with us? | :34:45. | :35:24. | |
To see this first-hand has made me see things so different. | :35:25. | :35:48. | |
I work for myself, helping people that suffer with identity | :35:49. | :35:56. | |
I believe that I was born in the wrong body and throughout my | :35:57. | :36:05. | |
life I struggled and eventually I came to terms with myself | :36:06. | :36:07. | |
and I transitioned to the person I am today. | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
And now I'm on a mission to try and help people. | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
Have they got a hospital here in the camp? | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
We have lots of clothes that you can take. | :36:22. | :36:32. | |
This is a nice jacket for one of the boys. | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
Most of these were all my clothes at one time. | :36:38. | :36:46. | |
This is all part of my life now disappearing. | :36:47. | :36:48. | |
Yesterday was quite an emotional day, because to meet the people | :36:49. | :37:20. | |
Because in one way they seemed contented but in the conditions | :37:21. | :37:30. | |
they were living in, it was disgraceful. | :37:31. | :37:32. | |
When we got talking they started to ask me personal | :37:33. | :37:34. | |
Trying to explain that I was a man in a previous life, | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
I know that when we gave them the clothes and I said to them, | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
these were mine, a couple of the guys' eyes, sort of looked... | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
What would be like to be in that camp as an LGBT | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
Today we're in Paris, where we're actually having some | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
meetings set up with some refugees that are from the LGBT community. | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
And I want to meet with them and ask them what their experience was, | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
getting here to France, and what life is like for them now. | :38:05. | :38:19. | |
We heard someone screaming loud, oh, a woman and a woman! | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
Come and see these two stupid women of the highest order. | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
So we were scared immediately, we ran. | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
Me I fell down, I was paraded in front of all the traders, | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
I tried to plead, saying, no, we were just there was just | :38:37. | :39:02. | |
whispering in her ear, but nobody would listen. | :39:03. | :39:04. | |
I tried to plead, saying, no, we were just... | :39:05. | :39:22. | |
I was just whispering in her ear, but nobody would listen. | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
They were saying, let's burn her, let's | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
Contaminated which needs to be wiped out. | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
In order not to contaminate the younger generations. | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
I am a trans woman and I've actually been to | :39:37. | :39:38. | |
What would people of Uganda, would they accept | :39:39. | :39:46. | |
a trans person or would they be discriminated against in Uganda? | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
You would expect to face a lot of threats of violence, even possible | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
It is dangerous in Uganda to live an LGBT life. | :39:53. | :40:03. | |
You can't come out in public and speak, you are hated. | :40:04. | :40:19. | |
Your family, have they accepted you or have they | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
My family members have said, if they come across me, | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
they are the ones who will hand me to the police, what | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
How do you feel now that you are in Paris and have met other refugees | :40:33. | :40:41. | |
that have gone through the same experience? | :40:42. | :40:42. | |
I have no fear, I am enjoying my life. | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
The LGBT refugees that come here and ask for asylum on the | :40:45. | :41:11. | |
reason of sexual orientation, normally they avoid being in a camp | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
and being out in a camp, if you are a gay, lesbian | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
or transgender person and you come in from Syria, for | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
example and you are going to camp, you will be, I think very careful | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
not to say that you are gay, lesbian, or transgender, because | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
this can be very dangerous to be discriminated by your peers. | :41:35. | :41:41. | |
Refugees in general, in France, face very | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
difficult times and to be an LGBT refugee, it's a challenge. | :41:44. | :41:56. | |
I came on this journey because I wanted to | :41:57. | :42:35. | |
understand what the refugees, especially gay refugees, suffered to | :42:36. | :42:37. | |
To meet people and understand their journey but being | :42:38. | :42:45. | |
here and personally seeing it and meeting people like Kate and | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
Marmaduke, it has really opened my eyes and made me understand how | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
brave and incredibly strong these people | :42:55. | :42:56. | |
are to make this journey and find peace and happiness. | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
Also it was a way of burying the last traces | :43:01. | :43:02. | |
I bring what was left of Frank's life, | :43:03. | :43:22. | |
giving it to the refugees who probably needed it more | :43:23. | :43:24. | |
And you can watch that full fill on our programme | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
Aid agencies accuse the world of ignoring the conflict in Yemen, | :43:29. | :43:37. | |
where half a million children are severely malnourished | :43:38. | :43:39. | |
and the country is just months away from widespread starvation. | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
MPs will vote for the first time later today on the Government's plan | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
to start the formal process of leaving the EU by the end | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
Theresa May says she will publish her proposal for Brexit | :43:52. | :43:59. | |
to avoid a rebellion from within her own party. | :44:00. | :44:01. | |
Some Conservative MPs were set to get together with Labour | :44:02. | :44:03. | |
in Parliament today in a vote to force ministers to publish | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
something, anything, about their plans for Brexit, | :44:07. | :44:07. | |
Let's speak to Labour's Brexit Shadow Minister Jenny Chapman MP, | :44:08. | :44:14. | |
who voted Remain, and Conservative MP Kwasi Kwarteng, | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
Mr Kwarteng, has Theresa May actually got a Brexit plan? | :44:17. | :44:26. | |
I think we do have a Brexit plan. For me, it has always been clear | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
what the plan is. We want to restrict freedom of movement and | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
have wide as possible access... What's her plan? I think that's her | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
planment she made that many times and Government ministers said it | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
many times and I'm not sure what all the fuss is about, frankly. I'm not | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
sure they have said it many times actually, I don't think it is a | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
blueprint, is it? It is very clear... It is clear to you because | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
that's what you want? Well, that's what people voted for. How do you | :44:56. | :44:58. | |
know? Because they voted to leave the EU. It was a vote to leave the | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
EU, but not a blueprint? The polls subsequently suggested that | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
immigration was a big issue, the Remainers said it was a big issue | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
and we want to have as wide access to the single market and the | :45:15. | :45:16. | |
Chancellor said that as has the Prime Minister. | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
Do you back more details, or did you not needed? I have not had an issue | :45:21. | :45:30. | |
with this, I just feel the basic principles were obvious. We needed | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
some restraint on freedom of movement, they may want to restrict | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
our access to the single market, but we don't know what their position | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
will be. Did you back her publishing more details? I would be interested | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
to see them, but I did not see it was necessary. She delivered a sound | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
bite yesterday, we are going for a red, white and blue Brexit. A sound | :45:54. | :46:04. | |
bite? It was a way of saying we will have a British Brexit, some | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
restraint on freedom of proof and, because that is what the polling | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
data suggests people want, and we want access to the single market, as | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
much as possible. It is up to them to decide what the final deal will | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
be. Two parties are negotiating, we don't have an actual say. She has | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
agreed to your demands but she has added one of her own, this vote | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
requiring MPs to vote to back the triggering of article 50. We will | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
vote for that, that has been our position, we respect the referendum, | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
we have said repeatedly we will not block Article 50, ... You happy with | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
her timetable? I welcome the opportunity to put to bed this idea | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
that the Labour Party is a bold in the road that will try to stop this, | :46:55. | :47:00. | |
which is constantly the accusation from the Conservative Party. At | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
least this afternoon we get to get rid of that accusation, by voting | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
accordingly. What is interesting is that when he says he think there is | :47:11. | :47:13. | |
a plan and this is what he would like to see, the trouble is, we are | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
hearing one thing from him and other backbenchers, but we are hearing | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
other messages from the forum secretary which contradict things | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
that David Davis is saying, we are getting glimpses of handwritten | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
notes from meetings, we have had nothing of any substance from the | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
Government, which is why we had to force them to publish their plan, | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
which we have now done. I do not happy about a red, white and blue | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
Brexit? It is absolute nonsense, it probably sounded great in rehearsal, | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
but it is that you are nonsense. When do you want her to publish her | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
details? We would like something well before the end of March, | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
because that is only fair. January would be good. I would expect her to | :47:58. | :48:05. | |
commit to January. We need time to examine it. Business, the select | :48:06. | :48:12. | |
committee and many others would like to see an outline of the plan, the | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
basic plan, that is what we are asking for. What is your ideal | :48:16. | :48:22. | |
scenario? Labour is not going to be negotiating... But you have an ideal | :48:23. | :48:29. | |
scenario. We have priorities. But at the end of the day, with the best | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
will in the world, it is not the Labour Party who is going to be | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
negotiating in Brussels, it is the Government. Our job as the | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
opposition is to challenge, scrutinise... Labour wants full | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
access to the single market, but you have not said how you would achieve | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
that. We think that is the most important priority. Would you | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
continue to accept freedom of movement? We want management of | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
migration as well. These are not unrealistic aims. We think it is a | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
negotiation, you need to go in, say what you would like to achieve, then | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
there is a negotiation. But unless you state where you would like your | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
destination to be, you are not going to land there by accident, you have | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
to start with clarity. The idea that you can keep this to yourself and | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
that nobody will find out is ridiculous, because MEPs will be | :49:23. | :49:30. | |
told. It is not ridiculous. The idea that they will keep it all to | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
themselves and there will be no... You have not asked me, but when you | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
enter a negotiation, you don't reveal everything that you want. You | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
know the plan anyway. I know what the broad plan is, that is what | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
Jenny said, we want to restrict freedom of movement and the widest | :49:52. | :49:53. | |
possible access to the single market. You said manage immigration. | :49:54. | :49:59. | |
Unless you wanted unrestrained immigration, that is a restriction, | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
some form of management. We can play with words all morning. The main | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
point is the principles are clear will stop I am disappointed you feel | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
the Government has not made that clear, because they have said it | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
again and again, maybe we should say it more often. The Government is | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
saying contradictory things. Last Thursday David Davis said that he | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
expected we would make contributions to the EU budget after we had left. | :50:26. | :50:32. | |
To have access to the single market. Indeed, but Boris Johnson says he | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
think it is pure speculation, not necessarily the case. It is | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
speculation. This what the Secretary of State for leaving the EU at the | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
dispatch box in response to a question saying there is. Who is in | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
charge? We have not even started article 50 process. The Germans have | :50:52. | :50:58. | |
said clearly that they do not want any renegotiation, they want to stop | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
once we have triggered article 50. Everything we say before it is | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
triggered is regulation. So there is no plan. I have said there is a | :51:06. | :51:17. | |
plan, we want... We want to restrict freedom of movement and we want the | :51:18. | :51:19. | |
widest possible access to the single market. It is regulation insofar as | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
we don't know what the other people are going to say. It would be great | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
to decide exactly what the outcome is, but that is not the process. We | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
have 27 countries with different ideas, and we have to negotiate with | :51:36. | :51:36. | |
them. It's day three of proceedings | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
at the Supreme Court, with more legal argument over | :51:41. | :51:42. | |
who has the right to We'll be getting the latest | :51:43. | :51:44. | |
at about 10:45am, but if you want to watch what's happening | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
inside the court without interruption, you can go to the BBC | :51:50. | :51:51. | |
News website at bbc.co.uk/Brexit. Sergeant Alexander Blackman, | :51:52. | :52:00. | |
the royal marine who was sentenced to life imprisonment for shooting | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
dead an already badly-wounded Taliban fighter in Afghanistan five | :52:04. | :52:05. | |
years ago, has had his case referred It now means there's | :52:06. | :52:08. | |
a "real possibility" that his conviction could be | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
quashed, and he could be home before Sergeant Blackman, who initially | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
was referred to as Marine A, He says he did so whilst under | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
intense combat stress. The whole incident was filmed | :52:22. | :52:28. | |
on the headcam of another soldier. After firing the shot, | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
you can hear Sergeant Blackman tell his colleagues he's just broken | :52:33. | :52:34. | |
the Geneva Convention on how If you don't want to hear | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
it, turn your TV down Anyone to do first aid on this | :52:38. | :52:46. | |
idiot? Colonel Oliver Lee was Blackman's | :52:47. | :53:23. | |
commanding officer In Helmand. He resigned his commission soon | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
after he was sentenced. I spoke to him in his first | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
TV interview about it. For two reasons. Principally, I felt | :53:33. | :53:49. | |
that the proceedings relating to him had omitted a series of very | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
important factors that would have been material to his case, and I | :53:56. | :54:04. | |
felt that was deeply regrettable. Secondly, a slightly more subtle | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
reason. It seems a peculiar idea that my career would continue to | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
flourish and move forward when somebody working alongside me and | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
for whom I had to command responsibility was serving a life | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
sentence for murder. Tell us what those important factors were that | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
you believe should have been considered in his case that were | :54:31. | :54:38. | |
not. It is difficult for anybody who has not been in that position, and I | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
have not been in the same position that he was in on that particular | :54:44. | :54:51. | |
operational tour, to understand the level of extreme stress that is | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
bearing down on somebody who is being asked to do what was asked of | :54:55. | :55:02. | |
him. I think there are also a series of broader factors associated with | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
preparations for a tour like that, oversight of a tour like that, that | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
are highly material to his case, and that were not considered at least as | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
far as I can see in any great degree of detail in proceedings that have | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
been against him. But it is illegal to shoot a wounded soldier. | :55:25. | :55:33. | |
Absolutely. That is entirely right. It is consistently why I have made | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
the point that I neither seek to condone his actions, nor do I seek | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
to exonerate him from his response abilities of. But I think it is | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
right and proper in order for him to be dealt with justly and fairly, and | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
by that I don't mean leniently, for all the factors that were at play at | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
that particular moment too bigoted carefully and in the round by the | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
appropriate legal authority -- to be considered carefully. What do you | :56:05. | :56:13. | |
think should happen to him now? I don't know the answer to that | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
question, because I am not a lawyer, I am the son of lawyers, but I am | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
not a lawyer. I respect rightly the legal system. I simply wish that | :56:22. | :56:29. | |
what should happen from here, and I am delighted with the announcement, | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
is that in the round, in the broadest sense, to include all of | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
the factors at play, his case is considered carefully, such that he | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
is dealt with in a just and fair manner. Our audience heard earlier | :56:43. | :56:50. | |
some of the audio that recorded him and his colleagues around the time | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
of the shooting dead of the Taliban soldier. He said things like, no, | :56:56. | :57:05. | |
not on his head, because that will be obvious. Move him around. | :57:06. | :57:12. | |
Somebody else says, I am going to switch this camera off. Then he | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
says, I have just broken the Geneva Convention. I can't possibly, and | :57:19. | :57:28. | |
nor what I conceive of, condoning that or seeking to exonerate anybody | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
from their responsibilities who has been involved in that. The | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
fundamental principle upon which I led the commando in Afghanistan had | :57:39. | :57:44. | |
ten principles, the first one was to treat Afghans with dignity, and I | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
believe in that fundamentally. However, that does not conflict with | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
my view, which is that all of the factors in play in his case should | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
be available to the legal authority in order for the legal authority to | :58:00. | :58:01. | |
take a judgment that is just unfair. In the next hour, we will speak to | :58:02. | :58:14. | |
his lawyer. Needs to do with the earthquake in | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
Indonesia. The latest reports say the death toll has risen to 97. 97 | :58:19. | :58:26. | |
people now known to have been killed, after the 6.5 magnitude | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
earthquake that struck. The death toll now 97. | :58:31. | :58:37. | |
We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment, but before | :58:38. | :58:39. | |
that, the weather. It is not cold, it has been a mild | :58:40. | :58:44. | |
start, and it still is mild. There is a chance that Northern | :58:45. | :59:02. | |
Ireland could break its December ten of June record today, it have to | :59:03. | :59:08. | |
break 16 Celsius for that to happen. We have the mild air cos it has been | :59:09. | :59:13. | |
pumping up from the Azores through the course of yesterday evening and | :59:14. | :59:15. | |
overnight, winding high temperatures by night and by morning. As we go | :59:16. | :59:24. | |
through today, we are looking at quite a lot of cloud for some of us, | :59:25. | :59:28. | |
but there will be some good sunshine around. We have a weather front | :59:29. | :59:33. | |
moving south across northern and western Scotland, getting to the | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
east, and the same for Northern Ireland. It will have an impact on | :59:38. | :59:40. | |
the temperature. If the rain comes early, the temperature won't have a | :59:41. | :59:46. | |
chance to climb higher. Cloud for Northern Ireland, sunny breaks. The | :59:47. | :59:51. | |
North could hit 16. We also have the rain moving across Scotland. Not | :59:52. | :59:55. | |
heavy. Warmer around the Moray Firth. As we pushed down into | :59:56. | :00:01. | |
northern England and North Wales, the weather front producing the | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
rain. South of that, a fair amount of sunshine. A lot of sunny spells. | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
There will be a bit more cloud. Not as windy as it will be in the north | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
and west. As we push into the south-west of England, a fair bit of | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
sunshine. We will see the cloud built, as it will do across Wales, | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
then the rain comes in. Gales across the North and west of Scotland. We | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
could well have some severe gales with exposure. The rain coming | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
south, it turns around and starts to come back north. It will be heavy | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
and persistent. Also windy. It is not going to be a cold night, we are | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
not expecting frost problems anywhere. | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
Chancellor said that as has the Prime Minister. | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
Tomorrow we start off with the rain. That pushes off into the North Sea | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
leaving cloud and misty conditions and hill fog and drizzle. The far | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
north of England and Northern Ireland and Scotland, still seeing a | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
fair bit of cloud at times, but here it will break and we will see | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
sunshine with a few showers peppering the west of Scotland. | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
Temperatures ten to 13. So just a touch down on today. | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us. | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
The families of three of the victims of serial killer Stephen Port tell | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
this programme that they're launching legal action to try to sue | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
More questions over the actions of Crewe boss Dario Gradi and whether | :01:34. | :01:45. | |
he did enough to prevent sexual abuse at the club? One mum tells us | :01:46. | :01:52. | |
she raised the alarm 25 years ago. Dario Gradi said he has consistently | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
co-operated with allegations of alleged abuse and the first time he | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
knew of any allegations was in 1994. A country suffering starvation and | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
conflict, 500,000 children severely malnourished, 20 months of civil | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
war, but aid agencies say the world doesn't care. We will be speaking to | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
the Red Cross in Yemen later this hour. | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
100 people have been killed in Indonesia after a strong | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
earthquake struck the northern province of Aceh - | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
the area of the country devastated by a tsunami in 2004. | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
The 6.5 magnitude quake struck offshore in the early | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
Many people are thought to have been trapped in the rubble of buildings. | :02:38. | :02:49. | |
Our reporter Moholika Sitepu is in the indonesian capital Jakarta. | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
Heavy machinery is now being used to help escavate the rubble and more | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
machinery are sent to the district because they are | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
The President's Chief-of-Staff is heading to the area to report | :03:06. | :03:18. | |
to the president so that they can plan what they can do to the area | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
There are more questions this morning over whether the director | :03:23. | :03:35. | |
of football at Crewe Alexandra FC, Dario Gradi, did enough to prevent | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
A mother of one ex-youth player told this programme she wrote, | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
anonymously, to him in 1989, more than 25 years ago, | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
saying she was concerned that boys were being asked to stay overnight | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
in the same bedroom as an adult member of staff, and warning | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
Carole told us she's devastated action wasn't taken. | :03:51. | :04:03. | |
She didn't allege that abuse had taken place. | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
I could have done a lot more, I suppose, but I didn't have evidence. | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
I didn't know of anyone else, or I didn't know... | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
It was a gut instinct, really, so it was really difficult. | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
It was really difficult, I have to say. | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
I mean, they're men now, but all those children, it's like... | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
Someone must have known it was going on. | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
It can't just have been me that told somebody there | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
Out of all those parents or people watching the football, | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
Dario Gradi has said the first time he knew about any alleged abuse | :04:42. | :04:54. | |
was in 1994 and that he has consistently co-operated | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
The number of patients waiting four hours or more to be allocated a bed | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
in hospitals in England has risen significantly over | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
A study of NHS data by BBC News shows that more than one in ten | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
patients admitted for urgent care last year faced long delays - | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
that's almost a five-fold increase since 2011. | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
NHS England said "growing demand" was putting pressure on the system | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
but the vast amount of patients were treated within four hours. | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
Two drugs firms have been fined almost ?90 million after hiking | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
the cost of an anti-epilepsy drug by up to 2006%. | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
The Competition and Markets Authority said drug-maker Pfizer | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
and distributor Flynn Pharma broke competition law in 2013 | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
when they increased the cost of a medicine used by around 48,000 | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
Both companies say they will appeal against the decision. | :05:42. | :05:55. | |
The Royal Navy's former flagship HMS Illustrious will make its final | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
voyage this morning when it sails from Portsmouth on its | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
The aircraft carrier was decommissioned in 2014 | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
after 32 years in service in which it was deployed as far | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
afield as the Falkland Islands and the Persian Gulf. | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
It had been hoped that the ship could be kept in the UK, | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
but last year the Government announced it was being sold | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
to a Turkish scrapyard for ?2 million. | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :06:20. | :06:21. | |
A comment from Emma regarding mum Carole who wrote to Dario Gradi at | :06:22. | :06:33. | |
Crewe to talk about inappropriate behaviour. She was the mum of an | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
ex-youth player and Emma tweets this to say, "Carole thank you for | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
speaking out, the intuition and the gut instinct was with many parents. | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
I hope they are brave and speak out." Get in touch with us | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Some very sad news | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
indeed this morning. The Dubai Ladies Masters first | :06:59. | :07:06. | |
round was suspended today after the caddie of | :07:07. | :07:17. | |
a French player collapsed It was a sad scene, | :07:18. | :07:18. | |
here she is being consoled. We don't see the caddie | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
here and he has not been named but was treated by the on-site | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
medical team before being taken to hospital, | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
where he later, tragically, died. The tournament has been reduced | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
to three rounds instead of four The European Tour has offered | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
"heartfelt condolences to the individual's family | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
and loved ones." Arsenal are through to the knock-out | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
stages of the Champions League as group winners - | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
they went to Basel and won 4-1 to top Group A in the Champions League | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
and a particularly special night for Lucas Perez, who scored his | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
first hat-trick for the club helping them finish top of their group | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
in the competition for Paris St Germain drew | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
against Ludogorets, allowing Manchester City finished | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
second in their group. They drew 1-1 with Celtic | :07:55. | :08:03. | |
who go out of Europe all together. England captain Alastair Cook | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
has another new opening partner for the Third Test | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
against India tomorrow. Durham's Keaton Jennings will | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
replace the injured Haseeb Hameed With England trailing the five match | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
series 2-0, the top run scorer in the County Championship will be | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
hoping for an immediate impact. It is a great achievement by him. He | :08:18. | :08:28. | |
scored a lot of runs over the last 18 months or so. He's in form with | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
100 obviously for the Lions last week. It is great. A great | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
opportunity for him. The pressure is off him. He can go out and play and | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
we've got to decide the best balance to the side for us. | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
Premiership rugby and the Rugby Football Union have discussed how | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
and why the Northampton and Wales wing George North was allowed | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
to return to the field of play despite being knocked unconscious | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
North has suffered concussion three times and on Saturday | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Rules state he should have been immediately withdrawn. | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
But he was returned to the field with Northampton saying | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
However, the club admit all of the TV pictures | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
of the incident weren't available to them pitch-side. | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
North won't play again until he's been independently assessed. | :09:22. | :09:30. | |
And finally, cheerleading, yes cheerleading, | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
The International Cheer Union is the sport's governing body | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
and boasts over 100 national federations, more than 4.5 | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
It won't necessarily ever make the Games, | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
but has received provisional recognition as an Olympic sport. | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
It means they can get IOC funding and apply for a place | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
That's all the sport for now. We'll be back more at 10.30am. | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
The families of three of the victims of serial killer Stephen Port have | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
told this programme that they're launching legal | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
action to try and sue the Metropolitan Police. | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
The 41-year-old chef will spend the rest of his life in prison, | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
for the murders of four younger men who he met on dating apps. | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
He'd drugged and raped them, before dumping their bodies close | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
But for many months, the families of Anthony Walgate, | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
Gabriel Kovari, Daniel Whitworth and Jack Taylor, had to endure | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
the anguish of being told by the police that they had died | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
from drugs overdoses or suicide before the police finally | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
linked their deaths and investigated them as murders. | :10:25. | :10:35. | |
In fact it was the families who forced the police to look | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
Sarah Sak is the mother of Anthony Walgate - | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
the first man killed by Stephen Port. | :10:45. | :10:46. | |
Mandy Pearson is the step-mum of Daniel Whitworth. | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
He was the third victim and he was found with a fake suicide | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
note claiming he'd accidentally killed Gabriel Kovari who'd | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
actually been killed by Port the month before. | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
And Donna and Jen Taylor are Jack Taylor's sisters. | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
It was them who forced police to look for a link | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
They join us now in their first joint interview. | :11:06. | :11:15. | |
Thank you very much for coming on the programme. We really appreciate | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
it. I'd like to start with you two if I may, Donna and Jen, the police | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
failed to link three similar deaths all in the same area and they said | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
that your brother had died of a drugs overdose. What were you | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
telling the police at this time? It wasn't right. That he wouldn't do | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
drugs. So we knew that he hadn't died of a drugs overdose. We just | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
knew that we had to try and get them to listen to us and try and piece it | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
all together. Yes, it was just, that was just not Jack. He was | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
anti-drugs. And that he wouldn't have gone to an area where they were | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
saying he had gone and sat and we needed them to not just look at the | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
fact that, you know, Jack didn't go to that area and sit down and do | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
that himself and he didn't take the drugs himself, but because we had | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
looked at other bits and pieces to do that with, we needed them to look | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
at the whole situation from our point of view and from what we were | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
finding. So you were saying, look at these previous deaths. Look at this? | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
Yeah. Yeah, because there were too many similarities. We had done a lot | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
of our own homework on it. And there was too many different bits and | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
pieces that you couldn't say were linked, but when it came down to the | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
individual boys, there were so many similarities that to us, linked them | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
and we wanted that to be checked. You were asking questions like for | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
example the bottle of the drug GHB that was found on Jack, a syringe | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
found with him that he didn't use. And they, those items needed to be | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
tested and looked at obviously? Yeah. But it wasn't happening? No. | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
What were you thinking was going on? Well, because it wasn't deemed as a | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
suspicious, they said that those things wouldn't be looked at and | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
there was no need to look at them. They basically had already said that | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
Jack had done an overdose and they were going to wait for toxicology | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
results and that was that. You must have felt like you were | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
banging your head against a brick wall? Yeah, definitely. Sarah, | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
mother of Anthony, thank you for talking to us. Your son, Anthony was | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
the first victim of Stephen Port, but even before Stephen Port met | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
Anthony, you say there were missed opportunities to stop his death? | :13:46. | :13:53. | |
Yes, in 2012, Port was seen at the railway station with a man heavily | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
drugged and distressed and the police have come and seen Port going | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
through his bag and an ambulance was called for this man. This man | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
obviously, he wanted to remain anonymous, he didn't want the police | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
involved or anybody to know, but nothing was done. This man was | :14:09. | :14:16. | |
screaming, "Help. Help me." So why were no notes taken. Nothing was | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
recorded? Not at that time, no. I think straightaway, as soon as you | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
heard Anthony had been found you knew that it wasn't as the police | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
were describing it? The first conversation I had with the police I | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
told them that. There is something not right about this. What did they | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
say to you had happened to him? That he had been found dead in the street | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
and I said, "Heart attack, has he been stabbed? What happened?" | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
Nothing, he has been found dead in the street, we don't know. I said | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
something is not right. Something is not right about this. And one of the | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
things that wasn't right is that he was wearing Stephen Port's T-shirt? | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
Anthony was 5'9", with weighed nine-and-a-half stone, he was as | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
thin as they come and this T-shirt must have been four sizes too big | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
and there was no questions asked. I found out in court, his underwear | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
was on inside out and back to front. So the police never asked, never | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
looked at this and never thought this is a bit strange, I was told by | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
the police he had dressed himself and gone to bed, gone into Port's | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
bed when he didn't feel very well. Was he dressed? Did he have his | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
shoes on? Did somebody dress him? No. | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
Your stepson was found with a suicide note, reportedly written by | :15:42. | :15:50. | |
Daniel, saying that he had taken his own life, because he had | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
accidentally killed Stephen Port's previous victim. | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
Did they investigate the handwriting? No. They did not | :15:58. | :16:06. | |
realise it was not his handwriting? No, they did not see it as | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
suspicious. It was a while before we saw it anyway. But we could not | :16:12. | :16:19. | |
understand why he would do that. I know people who do commit suicide | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
are very good at covering up things, but the content of the letter said | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
that he had accidentally taken the life of Gabriel. We had been out to | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
family functions and things since that time, since Gabriel was found, | :16:38. | :16:45. | |
and we could not believe how he would be functioning with that | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
knowledge as well as he was. It did not make sense. What else did the | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
notes say? It also said not to blame the man he was with last night. | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
Which was Stephen Port. We did not know that, we asked where he had | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
been, who was the man he was with last night? We don't know. We may | :17:11. | :17:18. | |
never know. We got that reply quite frequently to quite a few questions. | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
What would you thinking was going on, if officers investigating the | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
death of your son were not asking questions? We did trust them, even | :17:29. | :17:39. | |
in their absence, to be doing something. Because we could not | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
understand why he would do that at this time in his life, when | :17:46. | :17:54. | |
everything was going well. He was a very happy man, very happy with his | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
job and his life in general. He was quite happy. Where they were ending | :17:58. | :18:06. | |
up piecing things together and turning detective, you were trusting | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
the police to do their job, because you wanted to grieve. We were | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
finding the whole circumstance difficult to deal with. His grandma | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
especially, they were extremely close. We had yet to give the news | :18:22. | :18:30. | |
to her. To try and explain it to her. She has already lost her son to | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
suicide, and then she had lost her only grandchild. To what we thought | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
was suicide. And being told by the police that he was a murderer. Yes. | :18:43. | :18:49. | |
I do run the saying I wish he had come to us, it would have been | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
misadventure, if it really was accidental, of course it would have | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
been accidental, our son is not a murderer. That is the only way we | :19:00. | :19:08. | |
could look at it. But all the time we were trying to fathom how he had | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
kept that to himself. His partner was trying to work out how he could | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
have even been in the Barking area when Gabriel died, because that was | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
not adding up either. All of this stuff was going through your head. | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
They were very difficult to get hold of, the police, anyway. Our liaison | :19:33. | :19:41. | |
officer did not liaise. That is my take on it. Nine months before I met | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
my liaison officer, it took nine months for him to meet me, and we | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
could not get hold of him. It was weeks and weeks in between calls. | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
You would bring them, it will take them a fortnight to get back to you. | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
Every time I would say, have you found anything, there was nothing to | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
investigate. He took the drugs and he died. We were told that time and | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
time again. We will never know the truth, many times they said that. It | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
was so hard to get any information at all, they refused to investigate | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
it. What do you feel about the lack of investigation, the missed | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
opportunities? They were absolutely appalling. The way we were treated, | :20:31. | :20:37. | |
the way we were spoken to sometimes. A total and utter lack of any | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
investigation whatsoever. You feel incredibly strongly. They should | :20:45. | :20:53. | |
never be here. A child could have put together the clues that he was | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
giving, one death after another. After Daniel was found, I rang the | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
liaison officer, and I had been on the Internet, looking at the every, | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
and I said, there are another two, that is free, within a mile. Nothing | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
to do with each other. One was a homeless guy and one did not live in | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
the area. As we found that, Stephen Port planted drugs on them, they | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
were within feet of each other, two of the lads, the other was 500 | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
metres away. A five-year-old child could have put that together. We | :21:30. | :21:37. | |
were in the dark. A lot of things were found out later. I found out | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
most of the things we needed to know the public inquest. Five or six | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
months after his death. Had I known those things, I would have not stood | :21:49. | :21:56. | |
back. Absolutely not. There were so many things that were coming to | :21:57. | :22:04. | |
light in Walthamstow Forest. I found out at the trial a lot of stuff I | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
did not know. We have never had an inquest. It is quite a shock. It is | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
bad enough going to the Old Bailey, and things were coming out that we | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
knew nothing about. Tell us about the decision to sue the Metropolitan | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
Police. As far as we are concerned, as a family, we feel very strongly | :22:25. | :22:34. | |
about this. Stephen Port took Jack's life, but we feel that the police | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
that did not do their jobs with any of the families, as far as we are | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
concerned they have played a massive part in Jack's death. If they had | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
done their job properly, Jack would still be here today. There is no | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
other way of looking at it. We feel that we want them to be held | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
accountable. We want the answers of why they did not do this, did not do | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
that. We want them to be held accountable. The IPCC is | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
investigating, and the Met police have said the commander in charge of | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
the specialist crime and operations command has written to each of you | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
to express severe condolences and to apologise for missed opportunities. | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
How do you take that? I feel it is a bit late. A letter when somebody's | :23:27. | :23:35. | |
life has been taken that is so dear to you, no, it does not cut it. At | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
the end of the day the police officers, no matter what part they | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
are in in their job, they are trained to look out for certain | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
things, and we feel that that was not done, because if it was, we | :23:49. | :23:55. | |
would not be sitting here now. How did you take the apology? It is too | :23:56. | :24:07. | |
little, too late. If they were for girls, would it have been any | :24:08. | :24:14. | |
different? If Anthony had been a 23-year-old girl, and then Gabriel | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
and Daniel, if they had been girls found in suspicious circumstances, | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
there would have been more media coverage, and a massive part of this | :24:23. | :24:29. | |
investigation was homophobic. I really do think that. Do you think | :24:30. | :24:37. | |
that? Massively. That is why they did not investigate, because they | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
thought it is gay men, it does not matter? Data could at face value. | :24:41. | :24:54. | |
Young gay lads, done. From the very beginning, they refused to | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
investigate anything. No matter what you said, there was nothing to | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
investigate. Daniel was not out there doing that kind of thing. He | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
worked some unbelievable hours, his recreational time was minimal, and | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
when he did go out, he went out with his partner. They did not want to | :25:16. | :25:23. | |
know about the personality, they did not want to know, really. They had | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
made up their mind. That came across. Do you believe it was today | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
with homophobia? Yes, if they were women it would have been looked | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
into. We said that from the start, if it was a woman, you would do a | :25:38. | :25:44. | |
lot more. They just thought it was another druggy, possible gay man, | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
and that is it. That is literally it. It is heartbreaking. Thank you | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
for coming on our programme and for talking so eloquently about this. We | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
will follow the case as you pursue your legal action. | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
More than 21 months of conflict have devastated Yemen, | :26:07. | :26:08. | |
and left 18 million people in need of some kind of | :26:09. | :26:10. | |
Yemen is in the Middle East, just below Saudi Arabia. | :26:11. | :26:18. | |
The United Nations estimates 14 million people are at risk | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
of hunger with half of those on the brink of famine. | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
14 million people in one country are at risk of hunger - | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
and over seven million of those on the brink of famine. | :26:32. | :26:33. | |
Our reporter Fergal Keane has been to Yemen. | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
His report is distressing and harrowing, and you may find | :26:39. | :26:40. | |
it difficult to watch, but we're showing it to be better | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
understand what is happening to a country 4,000 miles away from us. | :26:45. | :26:55. | |
Judah Jaba is four months old and she has been fighting | :26:56. | :27:23. | |
to survive since the day she was born. | :27:24. | :29:58. | |
Soumaya Beltifa is from the International Committee | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
of the Red Cross and joins me now from Sanaa in Yemen. | :30:02. | :30:09. | |
We have just heard the scale of this crisis. What can the world do? | :30:10. | :30:23. | |
The world can do a lot. Starting by calling all parties in the conflict | :30:24. | :30:35. | |
to bear in mind that civilians are to be spread -- 's bed, and they | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
need to get access to the basics. As it was shown, the dire situation is | :30:42. | :30:49. | |
everywhere. People are having a hard time to bring bread to the table, | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
which is the basic of the basics. Are you expecting things to worsen? | :30:57. | :31:06. | |
Unfortunately, things might be worsened if we don't reach any kind | :31:07. | :31:15. | |
of political agreement that the situation on the ground might be | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
easier. Also in terms of security, because one of the other issues that | :31:22. | :31:29. | |
humanitarian is facing on the ground is that we cannot provide assistance | :31:30. | :31:37. | |
to the population, because of the security of our staff. We need to | :31:38. | :31:46. | |
balance between the needs and the security to hand over assistance to | :31:47. | :31:47. | |
the population. Their lives are in danger. Indeed. | :31:48. | :32:02. | |
As you said, the needs actually are huge. For many years the Yemeni | :32:03. | :32:13. | |
population, they were already suffering before the current | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
conflict and with the conflict, the situation has become a little bit | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
more tougher. One of the main things actually is regarding the economic | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
situation. People, they don't have cash, money. This dire situation is | :32:28. | :32:35. | |
bringing a lot on Yemenis. Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
you for your time. Should marine A still be in prison? | :32:38. | :32:55. | |
His case hand referred for appeal. We will be talking to his lawyer. | :32:56. | :33:04. | |
James Arthur is having a successful career since winning The X Factor. | :33:05. | :33:11. | |
Now he goes undercover as a street busker. | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
With the news, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom. | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
Nearly 100 people are now known to have been killed in Indonesia | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
after a strong earthquake struck the northern province of Aceh - | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
the area of the country devastated by a tsunami in 2004. | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
The 6.5 magnitude quake struck offshore in the early | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
Many people are thought to be trapped in the rubble of collapsed | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
buildings and more than 200 people have been injured. | :33:34. | :33:41. | |
There are more questions this morning over whether the director | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
of football at Crewe Alexandra FC, Dario Gradi, did enough to prevent | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
Carole, a mother of one ex-youth player, told this programme | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
she wrote anonymously to him in 1989, more than 25 years ago, | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
saying she was concerned that boys were being asked to stay overnight | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
in the same bedroom as an adult member of staff, and warning | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
She didn't, however, allege that abuse had | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
I could have done a lot more, I suppose, but I didn't have evidence. | :34:07. | :34:17. | |
I didn't know of anyone else, or I didn't know... | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
It was a gut instinct, really, so it was really difficult. | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
It was really difficult, I have to say. | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
I mean, they're men now, but all those children, it's like... | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
Someone must have known it was going on. | :34:31. | :34:36. | |
It can't just have been me that told somebody there | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
Out of all those parents or people watching the football, | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
Dario Gradi has said that he has consistently co-operated | :34:46. | :34:58. | |
with investigations into alleged abuse and that the first | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
time he knew about any allegations was in 1994. | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
The number of patients waiting four hours or more to be allocated a bed | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
in hospitals in England has risen significantly over | :35:10. | :35:11. | |
A study of NHS data by BBC News shows that more than one in ten | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
patients admitted for urgent care last year faced long delays - | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
that's almost a five-fold increase since 2011. | :35:19. | :35:20. | |
NHS England said "growing demand" was putting pressure on the system | :35:21. | :35:22. | |
Dario Gradi has said that he has consistently co-operated | :35:23. | :35:24. | |
with investigations into alleged abuse and that the first | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
but the vast amount of patients were treated within four hours. | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
Here's some sport now with Hugh. news, join me for BBC | :35:35. | :35:43. | |
The Dubai Ladies Masters first round was suspended today | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
after the caddie of French player Anne-Lise Caudal collapsed | :35:47. | :35:47. | |
We don't see the caddie here and he has not been named | :35:48. | :35:56. | |
but was treated by the on-site medical team before | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
being taken to hospital, where he later, tragically, died. | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
Arsenal finished top of their Champions League Group | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
for the first time in five seasons with a 4-1 win away at Basel. | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
Lucas Perez scored a hat-trick in the win. | :36:13. | :36:14. | |
Elsewhere Manchester City were second in their group. | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
They drew 1-1 with Celtic who are out of Europe all together. | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
Durham's Keaton Jennings will become Alastair Cook's latest opening | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
partner for England in the fourth Test against India | :36:22. | :36:23. | |
He replaces the injured Haseeb Hameed, with England | :36:24. | :36:30. | |
currently 2-0 down in the five-match series. | :36:31. | :36:40. | |
Could cheerleading become an Olympic sport? | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
The discipline has received provisional recognition | :36:44. | :36:44. | |
as an Olympic sport, which means it can get | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
IOC funding and apply for a place in the Games, | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
That's it from me for today but we will have more on BBC News | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
throughout the day as Warren Gatland names three of his coaches for next | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
Shall we have a bet as to whether cheer leading will become an Olympic | :36:59. | :37:09. | |
sport? I'll bet ten quid. I'm happy to bet it will. | :37:10. | :37:11. | |
OK. The Supreme Court hearing continues | :37:12. | :37:13. | |
today looking at whether Parliament or Government has the right | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
to trigger Brexit. Our legal correspondent | :37:16. | :37:17. | |
Clive Coleman is there. Good morning. This epic legal battle | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
continuesment at stake who has the power to trigger Article 50 of the | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
Lisbon Treaty. That's the process by which the UK leaves the EU. Is it | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
ministers using executive powers and bypassing Parliament or is it the | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
representatives of the people over the way there in Parliament who have | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
to give their authority through an Act of Parliament? Well, this case | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
has drawn protesters every day. No difference today of the let's talk | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
to some of them here. First of all, let's chat with Dr Zwrulia Reid who | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
is a Ukip MEP. You're here again today. Dr Reid, why is it so | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
important for you to be here? Well, I think it is important first to | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
show support four activists like Herbert here who produced these | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
amazing posters and to convey that we believe that Parliament has | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
already had a vote, they voted 6-1 that the British people should have | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
a referendum. They also got to vote in the actual referendum itself. And | :38:16. | :38:23. | |
they should stand up and in spite of the fact that perhaps they wanted to | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
remain, in constituencies where the majority of the people voted to | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
leave, they should be supporting that. We consider that this is a | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
delaying tact UK and we never expected after winning the | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
referendum nearly six months ago that we'd still be fighting it now. | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
I mean... Let's have the other side. Let the other side have a say. Let's | :38:45. | :38:53. | |
speak to Antonio Bright. You're from the Movement For Justice, why do you | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
think it is important to demonstrate outside the court? There is only one | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
policy put forward and that's immigrant bashing. It leads to more | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
fascism and that's the danger for us. It needs to be... You'd like a | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
second referendum? Yeah, I think there needs to be way more time | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
given and debate. We'd like to see Brexit stopped to be quite frank | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
because of the direction that it leads us... That isn't going to | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
happen. This case is about who has the power to trigger Brexit? | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
Ministers or Parliament? There it has to come back to Parliament and | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
no secret deals and it has to be opened up. We're looking at a | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
dangerous direction in the future. Thank you very much. Demonstrators | :39:41. | :39:48. | |
here again today. At the moment Lord Pannick representing Gina Miller the | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
main claimant is on his feet making the case that it really must be the | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
representatives of the people, over there in Parliament, who have the | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
authority to trigger Article 50. Arguments go on today. | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
Thank you very much, Clive. Proceedings are underway now as we | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
can see if you want to watch what is happening inside the court without | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
interruption, go to the BBC website. Sergeant Alexander Blackman, | :40:12. | :40:20. | |
the Royal Marine who was sentenced to life imprisonment for shooting | :40:21. | :40:29. | |
dead an already badly wounded Taliban fighter | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
in Afghanistan five years ago, has had his case referred back | :40:33. | :40:34. | |
to the military appeal court. It now means there's | :40:35. | :40:36. | |
a "real possibility" that his conviction | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
could be quashed. It is very difficult for anybody who | :40:40. | :40:59. | |
hasn't been in that position and I haven't been in the same position | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
that Sergeant Blackman was in on that tour to understand the level of | :41:04. | :41:09. | |
extreme stress that is bearing down on somebody who is being asked to do | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
what was asked of Sergeant Blackman. I think there are also a series of | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
broader factors associated with preparations for a tour like that, | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
oversight of a tour like that, that are highly material to his case and | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
that weren't considered at least as far as I can see in any great degree | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
of detail in the proceedings that are have been against him hitherto. | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
And in Westminster is Sir Gerald Howarth - | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
Mr Goldberg, what's the new evidence? Well, three distinguished | :41:46. | :41:56. | |
psychiatrists, one of them appointed independently by the Criminal Cases | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
Review Commission are unanimous that he was suffering from what we lay | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
men would call combat distress disorder. I'm not going to bother | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
with the psychiatric terms at the moment he shot. None of this was | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
presented to any of the courts previously. That's not the only | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
ground I want to emphasise, there are at least four other grounds | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
which would have justified bringing his conviction of murder down to | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
manslaughter with a much lesser sentence and probably meaning his | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
release today. Why wasn't stress taken into account | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
at the original hearing? The court is only as good as the evidence and | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
arguments presented to it by the then defending lawyers and I'm going | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
to make no further comment at all. I understand. Right, Sir Gerald, good | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
morning to you, what do you think about the fact that a fresh appeal | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
has been granted? I'm delighted. This is a case which has, I think, | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
seriously upset the public. We send our men and women to go and do | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
pretty filthy jobs, putting their lives on the line whilst the rest of | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
us are enjoying our lives at home with our families and I think that | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
therefore, there is a responsibility particularly on the politicians who | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
make the decisions about going to war that we do all that we can to | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
support our soldiers. Soldiers, sailors and airmen, of course, and | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
I'm pleased that the CCRC decided to refer this case to the Court of | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
Appeal. You say we should support them even when they shoot dead a | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
wounded soldier which is illegal? It is illegal and it is very important | :43:31. | :43:37. | |
that we instil in our armed forces the need to uphold the highest | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
possible standards. That, of course, is absolutely important, that's what | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
we as ministers and as members of Parliament, that's what we expect of | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
our soldiers, sailors and airmen, but they are often facing absolutely | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
filthy conditions and if you see your comrades' bodies parts hanging | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
from a tree, I defy anybody watching this programme now not to feel a | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
sense of anger at that happening to brave British soldiers. So, you | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
cannot excuse action taken in the heat of battle, but you do have to | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
put it in the context of actions taken in the heat of battle and you | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
just heard from Mr Goldberg that one of the reasons why the can Criminal | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
Cases Review Commission has referred to this case back to the Court of | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
Appeal is because of the new evidence, not least the state of | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
mind of Sergeant Blackman at the time. Mr Goldberg, we heard our | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
audience heard, from the videoing of the incident at the time that | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
Sergeant Blackman himself acknowledged he had broken the | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
Geneva convention? You see, he meant by that, he thought desser rating an | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
already dead body in the moment of anger. This man was dying. He was | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
within seconds of death at best. I've obtained the best pathologist | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
in the country who has taken a new look at the case and the film and | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
all of the rest of it and he says you would have needed to be a doctor | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
to have known that this fella wasn't already dead. Again, none of that | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
was presented to original court. He had fired at him 139 high explosive | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
rounds from an Apache gunship and you know, in many previous wars | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
dying soldiers begged their own comrades to put them out of their | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
death agonies, but of course, that's not a defence in law, I say, | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
straightaway. What would be the right thing for | :45:38. | :45:46. | |
him now, in your view? What I said at the time, and I was not alone, | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
but I thought the sentence was unquestionably and Julie Heavey, and | :45:53. | :46:01. | |
is a case for manslaughter is going to be made, I don't know what his | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
legal arguments are going to be, but if the court considers this | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
objectively and all of the circumstances, I think back a | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
reduced sentence which would allow him to walk free and back into the | :46:15. | :46:22. | |
military is what I would like to see, and a lot of people in the | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
country are the same. One thing that worries me is that some of these | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
cases are being taken, ... We have the Iraq historic allegations | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
tribunal, where a private company has been paid ?22 million by the | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
Ministry of Defence to go and search for soldiers who may have committed | :46:44. | :46:51. | |
illegal acts in Iraq many years ago. This is being done because the | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
Labour Government in 2001 wanted Britain to sign up to the | :46:56. | :46:57. | |
International Criminal Court, and therefore put our soldiers, sailors | :46:58. | :47:05. | |
and NN at risk of prosecution... Your Government would be within its | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
rights to close down those tribunal is, it could do that tomorrow, but I | :47:11. | :47:12. | |
take your point. One in eight people who're in work | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
are living in poverty. That's according to the charity | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, which says more people are currently | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
in work but living in So are the so-called just-managing | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
families and working people actually He's from the New Policy Institute | :47:29. | :47:34. | |
and the author of the report published today by the Joseph | :47:35. | :47:42. | |
Rowntree Foundation. Tracy Miller is a mother with two | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
daughters who works freelance Jermaine Lawlor works full time, | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
he lives alone in Greater London. And Murad Alam is a father | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
with two children. He's currently not | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
working but his wife is. When he was also recently | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
working, he says the family was still living below | :48:04. | :48:05. | |
the Joseph Rowntree Foundation's The number of people who are working | :48:06. | :48:07. | |
and who are still poor 3.8 million people in work, one in | :48:08. | :48:33. | |
aid of all people in a job, and we then add on top of that the children | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
who are living with them and any nonworking partners, and it is | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
giving about 7.5 million people across the UK who are in a working | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
household but below what is in effect official poverty line is, | :48:48. | :48:55. | |
well more than half of the people in poverty. The idea that poverty is | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
mainly about nonworking families is not the case. | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
You work 37 and a half hours a week and, according | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation's definition of poverty, you're living | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
As a parent, you think, let me get a job and provide for the kids and | :49:07. | :49:21. | |
life should be easier, but as a working parent it is not. Two people | :49:22. | :49:28. | |
ask why you work. Of course, but you have to have a positive outlook, and | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
I would encourage mothers to work, because it is not just about the | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
financial gain, it is about being out in society, socialising and | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
mixing with people that can help you with things and not being indoors | :49:42. | :49:43. | |
and being mentally depressed. You're exactly the kind of person | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
who Peter's talking about, you're single, living alone, | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
you're a youth worker and you've just done a 12-hour night | :49:51. | :49:52. | |
shift before coming here. Would you class yourself | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
as living in poverty? The statistics are higher than one | :49:57. | :50:06. | |
in eight. I think the majority of people that are working struggle to | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
meet bills. I am a youth worker, I have done it for nine years, and my | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
problem is we have constant cuts by Government. We are tackling issues | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
that affect our communities, and there are cuts which mean we cannot | :50:24. | :50:33. | |
sustain our jobs. Sometimes I do an 80 hour week, and I don't get time | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
to spend the money, because I am always working, and if I don't do | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
that, you all in the vicious circle of being poor. You lost your job a | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
few months ago, your wife works. Even when you were working you were | :50:49. | :50:59. | |
living in poverty. What do you have to cut back on? General | :51:00. | :51:06. | |
entertainment, I cannot go out for a meal, I can't go to the cinema, the | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
new Star Wars film is coming out and I cannot afford to take them, which | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
is a crying shame. Just have to cut back on extra food, heating, have to | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
keep the heating down. I don't think we should have to do it in UK | :51:24. | :51:29. | |
society today. What chance of you getting more work soon? I will get | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
another job, it is just the time of year, nobody is starting any IT jobs | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
in December. I will get something, but it will not be until the New | :51:41. | :51:50. | |
Year. What is the answer? The minimum wage goes up more than it is | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
due to? It is due to be sex ban -- ?7 20 eight April, ?9 by 2020. We | :51:55. | :52:03. | |
just need single mothers and singer father 's to be able to keep our | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
wages. Wages should rise of the cost of living rises. You talked about an | :52:09. | :52:16. | |
80 hour week, when you do more hours, you are away from your kids | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
more, and they are with childcare, so you don't seem them much. I have | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
my little one, saying, you are always at work. I say, if I don't | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
work, how am I going to provide for you? You are torn, it is hard. The | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
poor get poor, the rich get richer, and the gap gets broader. The | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
taxation system is unfair, you have football players earning ?300,000 a | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
week for kicking a football, you have doctors that do not learn that | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
in a lifetime, so we have to look at our priorities. People are greedy, | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
politicians say that this is the minimum living wage, but they are | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
not living on it themselves, so it is a contradictory message. Wings | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
are going up, food, rent, living in London, but our wages are not going | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
up, opportunities, access to education, in adversity grounds, so | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
much needs to be done, but it boils down to greed, we are living in a | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
greedy society. There is a lot therefore any politician to take on | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
board. Where would you start? I would look at policies and | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
legislation is, job opportunities, jobs that are sustainable and when | :53:31. | :53:37. | |
you can build a career and life. And taxation is a big one. Take more | :53:38. | :53:45. | |
people out of tax? People that are earning large sums of money, they | :53:46. | :53:57. | |
are not taxed a lot. But for lower wages, it is quite a lot, so we need | :53:58. | :53:58. | |
to look at the balance. James Arthur has gone | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
on to have a successful career since winning the X Factor | :54:06. | :54:07. | |
four years ago. Now, in a stunt for Radio 1, he went | :54:08. | :54:09. | |
undercover as a street busker. Our house band are busking, | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
covering their three Time for Big Willie McNulty | :54:13. | :54:24. | |
to take to the stage. # Stop me, I will get | :54:25. | :54:34. | |
what's coming to me # I am ready, baby, | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
I will be somebody... Willie's funds were | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
looking low so far, # You're nobody till | :54:44. | :54:45. | |
somebody loves you # Fill up my cup, | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
fill up my cup, yeah # It's a cold heart | :54:50. | :54:56. | |
when nobody wants you # I held your hair back | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
when you were throwing up # Then you smiled | :55:02. | :55:31. | |
over your shoulder... After just a few bars | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
of Say You Won't Let Go, the crowds were gathering and the money | :55:35. | :55:36. | |
was finally coming in. It was almost like they'd worked out | :55:37. | :55:44. | |
there was a massive pop star performing their number one single | :55:45. | :55:57. | |
right in front of them. Why are this many people in a train | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
station not in a rush? Surely you get there a minute | :56:04. | :56:15. | |
before your train by multiplatinum selling | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
artist James Arthur. James was very in character, | :56:21. | :56:34. | |
it was just that his character seemed to be | :56:35. | :56:36. | |
a massive James Arthur fan. But it seemed to be working, | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
look how many people were there. As Big Willie McNulty | :56:41. | :56:49. | |
finished his set, it was time to make a swift exit as, | :56:50. | :57:20. | |
let's face it, Everyone knew | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
it was James Arthur. In fact, it was totally | :57:24. | :57:25. | |
blown, as you can see. But who was going to | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
take the busking crown? You got ?33, which makes | :57:29. | :57:36. | |
you, James, the winner! So there you have it - | :57:37. | :57:44. | |
our secret busker beat the Radio 1 buskers, but only by three quid, | :57:45. | :57:47. | |
although I feel that a few people may have twigged that it was | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
actually James Arthur. And you can watch the full | :57:51. | :57:57. | |
version of that film If you'd like to watch our films | :57:58. | :58:04. | |
and interviews any time, you can do that online, | :58:05. | :58:15. | |
wherever you are. Just visit our programme page | :58:16. | :58:17. | |
at bbc.co.uk/victoria. On the programme tomorrow, | :58:18. | :58:19. | |
we meet the women desperate MUSIC: Beyond The Sea | :58:20. | :58:21. | |
by Bobby Darin # Beyond the sea... # | :58:22. | :58:34. | |
Hi! Watch your little ones discover | :58:35. | :58:43. | |
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