12/01/2017 Victoria Derbyshire


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sunshine. It won't do much for those temperatures. 56 degrees at the

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best. Meanwhile, America's intelligence

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chief has told Mr Trump he doesn't believe his colleagues

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leaked the allegations. Also today, hit-and-run drivers,

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what makes them flee We'll talk to a mother of two

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who hit a cyclist head-on Literally about 15 seconds before

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the policeman came, and I saw the carnage, he came, pulled me out, and

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told me what I had done. How did you respond? I was sickened and scared,

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full of fear. Hear the full interview at 9:30am. And, we are

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going to get "Thunder snow" today, but what is it? Carol will tell us

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just before 9am. Hello, welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11 this morning. Not according to the manufacturers,

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who are hitting back at claims that one of the ingredients,

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palm oil, is cancer-causing. European food experts reckon it

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might be bad for us, Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning. And if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Our top story today, the US Director

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of National Intelligence has rejected suggestions made

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by Donald Trump that official agencies leaked claims that Russia

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had compromising material on him. In a statement, James Clapper said

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he had called the President-elect to say the information had not come

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from the security services. Our Washington correspondent

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Laura Bicker has the story. Donald Trump's not a huge

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fan of the press corps, but he had a message to send

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to the media and to US He believes they leaked

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unsubstantiated allegations that his election team

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colluded with Russia. It is all fake news, it is phoney

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stuff, it didn't happen. There are also claims that Russian

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spies have compiled material to blackmail Mr Trump,

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including salacious videos Does anyone really

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believe that story? I'm also very much of a germaphobe,

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by the way, believe me. The BBC understands the Russian

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memos on Mr Trump were compiled by a former member of MI6,

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Christopher Steele. The Director of National

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Intelligence, James Clapper, He said the leak did not come

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from within US intelligence, and they have not made any judgement

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that the information is reliable. As Donald Trump moved the media

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towards his business dealings, he confirmed he was handing total

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control of his empire These papers are just some

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of the many documents that I've signed turning over complete

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and total control to my sons. The ethics committee has now

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said his plan does not meet past This performance was a typically

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eccentric and bombastic piece of political theatre,

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which his supporters will love. But it did little to calm the swirl

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of controversies which surround Sarah Rainsford is following

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the story for us in Moscow. What does Russia say about these sex

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allegations? Russia has dismissed them out right. Essentially what

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we've heard from the Kremlin is the spokesman talking about it as "Pulp

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fiction" and a whole series of politicians saying it is

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anti-Russian hysteria. They are suggesting Donald Trump is coming

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under pressure from those who don't want better relations between Moscow

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and Washington, that this is all invention, fabrication, utter

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nonsense. That's the line coming from the Kremlin. There has been a

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lot of focus on this issue, and a lot of focus on the press conference

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yesterday. People watching for any signals from Donald Trump about

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whether his position had changed. People were fairly positive as a

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result of what he said, they saw him speaking positively of Russia and

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glossing over the negative side of what he said. Which was to say, OK,

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I want to be friends with Vladimir Putin, if that's not possible, don't

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expect me to be soft on him. Which is pretty much the message she gave

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yesterday. Is it possible the Russians could be behind false sex

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allegations about Mr Trump to potentially destabilising? In theory

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anything is possible, I guess. There are different theories about what

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Russia might have been up to, if anything, in terms of its alleged

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interference in the campaign. One of the series has always been that

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President Putin and Russia wanted Donald Trump to win and to have an

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ally in the White House, the other theory has always been that Russia

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simply wanted to mess things up in America, that it wanted to undermine

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democracy, that it wanted to undermine the liberal system in

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America, and just wanted to create doubts about the entire liberal

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democracy of the United States. If that was the intention, then I

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suppose you could say that perhaps in some way it has succeeded, at

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least in throwing the cat amongst the pigeons. Thank you.

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Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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More than 3,000 American troops, tanks, and armoured vehicles

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arrive in Poland today, the United States' biggest military

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presence in the region since the Cold War.

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It's to support a Nato operation to deter any Russian aggression

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towards countries in eastern Europe, since the conflict in

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Ukraine and the Russian annexation of Crimea.

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The troops' arrival comes just days before the inauguration

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of Donald Trump, who's signalled he wants to improve

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The Afghan Taliban has released a video of two professors

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kidnapped in August, in which they plead for Donald Trump

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It's the first time the Australian, Timothy Weeks, here on the left,

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and the American, Kevin King, have been seen since

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they were abducted as they left work at the American University in Kabul.

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A number of major retailers have published their sales

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figures for the Christmas period this morning.

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M reported a 2.3% rise in clothing sales in the 13 weeks

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Meanwhile, Tesco says its third quarter sales were up by 1.8%.

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And John Lewis has reported a 2.7% rise in like-for-like sales over

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It seems the any negative story so far this year have been a Next

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Dismore report and what we can confirm from Asda's performance.

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Overall it seems to be quite robust Christmas for everyone.

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Temperatures across the UK are expected to fall over

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the next couple of days, bringing the possibility

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The Met Office has issued yellow "be aware" warnings

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In Scotland, snow and winds of 70 mph forecast throughout the day.

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Plans for the UK's first hydroelectric tidal lagoon will take

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A report from the former energy minister Charles Hendy concludes

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that the technology can deliver a secure supply of clean energy,

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with Swansea Bay the front runner for the ?1.3 billion project.

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Will this be the UK's latest source of low-carbon energy?

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The tides in Swansea Bay are some of the highest in the world,

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so why not build a seawall to capture the outgoing tide?

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That is the plan from a private firm.

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They'll use hydroelectric turbines to generate power,

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as the water flushes through gaps in the seawall.

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The cost was thought too high for bill payers to bear.

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A review says it will need subsidy, but it's not as dear as it looks.

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If you look at the cost spread over the entire lifetime,

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120 years to the project, it comes out at about 30p

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And that's where I think we can start a new industry,

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and we can do it at an affordable cost to consumers.

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Supporters hope we will see lagoons dotted around the coasts,

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that will bring down the cost, they say.

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But anglers fear the impacts of lagoons on wildlife,

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and the review advises government to agree terms for just one of them,

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Doctors believe they are closer to understanding why chronic stress

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increases the risk of heart disease and strokes.

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Their findings, published in The Lancet, suggest that

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increased activity in the part of the brain which responds to fear

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and anger prompts the production of extra white blood cells.

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This can make the formation of blockages in the

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The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, will join the Greek

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and Turkish foreign ministers in Geneva for talks

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The former British colony has been divided since Turkish troops invaded

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more than 40 years ago following a coup by Greek Cypriots.

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The United Nations says it doesn't expect a deal

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to be reached this week, only a framework.

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Mr Johnson said he thought a deal was within reach.

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There's been an increase in the number of hit-and-run

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Researchers at Leicester university have interviewed hundreds of people

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who admit they failed to stop after an accident.

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Many say they panicked and fled, while others said they didn't think

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it was serious enough to report, or didn't realise it was

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We'll be speaking to a woman who has confessed to being a hit and run

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driver in half an hour. Kurdish activists in Syria say

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they have recovered the body of a British fighter from territory

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controlled by Islamic Ryan Lock, who was 20

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and from Chichester, was killed last month

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during a battle for the IS The Kurds say they now hope to be

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able to return his body to the UK. That's the latest BBC News. Later,

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is Nutella back to you? Jerome on Twitter says palm oil is cheaper and

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more addictive than sugar but does it give you cancer? Please get in

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touch with us in the usual ways. If you are texting you will be charged.

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Now some sport. Southampton are halfway to Wembley. Advantage

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Southampton after the first leg of their EFL tie with Liverpool last

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night. The goal from Nathan Redmond giving them an advantage. It was

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that poor performance from Liverpool, you have to say.

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Southampton will be frustrated they didn't score more. That poor

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performance riled manager Jurgen Klopp. We wait to see who they will

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face. It could be Hull or Manchester United in the final. Explain why

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Manchester city have been charged over anti-doping rules? They have

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failed to lay out the rules. Football clubs have to outline where

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their players are at all times, be it at home, in hotels if they are

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travelling for matches, so that the drug testers always know where they

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are. Manchester City have failed to do this on three occasions. It has

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led to this charge. We wait to see what punishment will come. We think

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it will be a financial punishment but that depends whether City will

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appeal and can argue there have been some mitigating circumstances as to

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why they failed to disclose this information.

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We're building up to the Australian Open,

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Good news that Andy Murray. He goes into the Australian open and will be

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seeded number one for the first time in his career. Novak Djokovic is

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number two. They will be kept apart until the latter stages. A lot of

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other British players going well, Johanna Konta faces Eugenie Bouchard

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in the Sydney International later. She's going well. Johanna Konta made

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it through to the semifinals of the Australian Open last year. Dan Evans

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is in third-round action at the moment against Dominic Thiem. I

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could see him progress to the semifinals in Sydney as well. Not

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such good news for Laura Robson, she fell at the first round of

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qualifying for the Australian Open. She has been struggling with a

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really bad wrist industry. Really difficult times for her.

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And London welcomes another American sport tonight.

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The O2 Arena will be sold out later for a regular-season NBA game

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between the Indiana Pacers and the Denver Nuggets. Interesting but the

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NBA commissioner had to say, he said while they would like to commit to

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more regular-season games being played in London, he said the Brexit

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vote may lead them to reconsider their long-term commitment to

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playing games in London. That will be an interesting one to see how

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that plays out. A packed house at the O2 later on.

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Eight days before his inauguration, President-elect Donald Trump

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is facing the extraordinary claim that he is vulnerable

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It all centres around unsubstantiated allegations

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which the Russians are said to have compiled

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about his private and professional life.

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The allegations are contained in a dossier written

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Speaking in his first press conference for six months,

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the President-elect suggested the American intelligence agencies

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could be responsible for leaking the claims,

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but overnight the US intelligence chief has denied this.

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Mr Trump was openly contemptuous of CNN and BuzzFeed,

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the main US outlets responsible for publicising the sex dossier.

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Go ahead. Mr President-elect.

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since you are attacking our news organisation...

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Your organisation's terrible. Your organisation's terrible.

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Go ahead. Quiet. Quiet.

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Go ahead, she is asking a question, don't be rude.

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I am not going to give you a question, you are fake news.

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I think it was disgraceful, disgraceful, that the intelligence

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agencies allowed any information that turned out to be

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I think it was a disgrace, and that's something

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that Nazi Germany would have done and did do.

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I'm also very much of a germophone, by the way, believe me.

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As far as BuzzFeed, which is a failing pile of garbage,

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writing it, I think they're going to suffer the consequences,

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As far as hacking, I think it was Russia,

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but I think we also got hacked by other countries and other people.

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If Putin likes Donald Trump, guess what, folks,

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that's called an asset, not a liability.

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Now I don't know that I'm going to get along

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I hope they do, but there's a good chance I won't.

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And if I don't, do you honestly believe that Hillary

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Does anybody in this room really believe that?

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We could make deals in Russia very easily if we wanted to,

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because I think that would be a conflict.

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So I have no loans, no dealings and no current pending deals.

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Every President since the '70s has had a required audit from the IRS...

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You know, the only one that cares about my tax returns

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I don't feel like waiting a year, a year and a half,

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and there are many different forms, will reimburse us.

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These papers are all just a piece of the many, many companies

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that are being put into trust to be run by my two sons,

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and I hope that the end of eight years

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I'll come back and I'll say, "Oh, you did a good job."

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Otherwise, if they do a bad job, I'll say, "You're fired".

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Well, Mr Trump has been contemptuous about

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the unsubstantiated allegations, calling them fake news.

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They've also been dismissed by Moscow as pulp fiction.

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But their significance is that, if true, the President-elect

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of the United States would be vulnerable

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The head of US intelligence, James Clapper,

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has denied that the 35-page dossier came from his operatives.

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He's also said that his teams haven't decided yet

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whether or not the information is reliable.

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BBC correspondent Paul Wood says the author of the Trump dossier

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is a British ex-spy called Christopher Steele

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He was formerly an MI6 officer who worked in Moscow.

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Mr Steele has now fled his home in Surrey and gone into hiding

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after telling his neighbour to look after his cat.

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Our correspondent says he's highly respected

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That's why the claims in the dossier,

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although salacious and unverified, were said to taken so seriously

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by US intelligence and ended up on President Obama's desk last week.

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Well, let's not lose sight of the central allegation here,

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which is that Donald Trump, President-elect

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of the United States, is vulnerable to blackmail by the Russians.

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so much depends on the credibility of the author of this dossier.

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He has now been named as Christopher Steele,

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a former MI6 agent who was in Moscow in the early 1990s.

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And speaking to one intelligence source, he is apparently very highly

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regarded among his peers as competent and trustworthy,

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and that reputation, I think, is one of the main reasons

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why what he said, the allegations he repeated from Russian security

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by the American intelligence institutions.

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I spoke to one intermediary, because you can't speak

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to CIA case officers directly, but I spoke to an intermediary,

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and a message came back from the people dealing with this file

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that they found it credible, that there was more than one tape,

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that there was an audio tape, as well as a video tape,

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that there were several times that these activities

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supposedly took place, and in more than one location,

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not just the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow, but St Petersburg as well.

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Now, the fact that the CIA apparently finds

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and credible enough to put on President Obama's desk,

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is not them saying they believe the allegations,

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they are just saying they are worthy of consideration.

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One further thing, this former MI6 officer is not the only source.

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I spoke to a retired spy last August,

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who said he had been told of the existence of a blackmail tape

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by the head of an Eastern European intelligence agency over the summer.

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We should stress in all of this these are just allegations,

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when he says they are unsubstantiated.

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Nevertheless, Americans are in the incredible position,

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nine days before the inauguration, of having to decide

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whether their President-elect is a Russian agent of influence.

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Paul Wood, our correspondent. We're going to talk to some American

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voters later in the programme, we have fillip from Kentucky with us.

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-- Philip. Also Dr Brian Klaas,

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a fellow in politics at London School

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of Economics, Alana Horowitz from

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the Huffington Post website, and Dr Leslie Vinjamuri,

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from the think-tank Let me start with you, you voted for

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Donald Trump a little while ago, do you believe these sex allegations?

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Believe in what allegations? The sex allegations around Donald Trump. The

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sex allegations? Yes. Oh, I'm not sure whether or not, I don't know

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whether there is any group at there, really. So you are not clear? If

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true, would it be any stew for you that Mr Trump consorted with

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prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room? -- would it be an issue. It wouldn't

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be a good thing, but there are presidents who have probably done it

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before. Is that a fair point? I think the allegations are deeply

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troubling, and I don't think we know whether they are true yet. We

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definitely don't! What I would like to say is, even if you take the

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dossier out of this, Donald Trump last held a press conference

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hundreds of days ago, and he invited Russia to hack into Hillary

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Clinton's e-mails. He also has a campaign manager... So Russia does

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what Donald Trump says? The point is that the allegations go beyond the

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dossier, there has been a pattern of behaviour where Donald Trump has

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deeply troubling ties to Moscow, in the sense that his former campaign

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manager received kickbacks in eastern Ukraine from a pro-Russian

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politician. He says he has no dealings with Russia, and there is

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no way you can be a victim of blackmail because the allegations

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are not true, they are fake, and business dealings with Russia, there

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are not. This is the crucial point - he's the first candidate since the

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1970s not to release his tax returns. He says he is being

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audited. The head of the IRS says he can still release them. Every single

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candidate since 1970 has done this, so it is very easily verifiable, he

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should do it. What do you think? I agree, I think that, you know, we

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can't take the dossier at face value. Apps it is most troubling...

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Is it not interesting to you that a former British spy wrote it and it

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ended up on Barack Obama's desk? As our correspondent said, that

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wouldn't end up on the President's desk unless there is something

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credible about it. Intelligence officials told CNN they feel he is a

:23:44.:23:48.

trustworthy source, so there were these blackmail allegations, and as

:23:49.:23:51.

much as the salacious sex allegations, they are fun to read

:23:52.:23:55.

headlines about, it is only a small piece of the puzzle. Just to say,

:23:56.:24:01.

Paul Wood, our correspondent, says he has been told by an intermediary,

:24:02.:24:06.

not a source at the CIA, that there is more than one tape, this happened

:24:07.:24:11.

not just in Moscow but St Petersburg. We still don't really

:24:12.:24:15.

know how credible all this is. But I think it speaks volumes that a lot

:24:16.:24:23.

of voters and experts, you know, believe that it could possibly

:24:24.:24:27.

happen. Like, it doesn't seem that out of character based on his other

:24:28.:24:30.

Russian ties, based on his behaviour, based on what he has done

:24:31.:24:36.

when he was running for office. I think that speaks a lot to his

:24:37.:24:39.

trustworthiness, his approval rating has tagged in recent days. You are

:24:40.:24:45.

from Chatham House, the think tank, how are you reading all of this? My

:24:46.:24:50.

concern, of course we are waiting to see, because it is being given a lot

:24:51.:24:54.

of scrutiny, to the veracity of this dossier. But the real concern right

:24:55.:24:59.

now is Donald Trump's response to it, right? We are looking to see how

:25:00.:25:03.

it will affect the next President's relationship with the intelligence

:25:04.:25:08.

agencies - this is not looking good. How will it affect America's

:25:09.:25:12.

relationship with Russia, what are the obligations? I think measuring

:25:13.:25:15.

his response, it was interesting yesterday to watch his interactions

:25:16.:25:23.

with the media, his attacks on the intelligence agencies, in some ways

:25:24.:25:27.

the most deeply troubling thing. He is at war with his own intelligence

:25:28.:25:31.

agencies. The response we would be looking for is that these are very

:25:32.:25:36.

serious allegations, not only the dossier, but the broader question of

:25:37.:25:40.

the disinformation campaign. To me, that is potentially the more

:25:41.:25:44.

troubling part, right? If he was aware of these allegations or

:25:45.:25:47.

engaged with the broader disinformation campaign, the cyber

:25:48.:25:54.

attacks, the hacking, then we have a very serious national security

:25:55.:25:56.

problem on our hands. So where does it go from here? There are senators

:25:57.:26:00.

like John McCain, Republican, no fan of Donald Trump, talking about

:26:01.:26:03.

hearing is with the intelligence agencies about the claims, possible

:26:04.:26:10.

impeachment - this is before he is inaugurated! The timing is

:26:11.:26:15.

difficult. Bearing in mind this has been framed as the worst kept secret

:26:16.:26:19.

in Washington, plenty of people have seen this dossier, it is not new

:26:20.:26:24.

news for people in think tanks and elsewhere. There is a sense that it

:26:25.:26:29.

needed to be dealt with, but the timing is very difficult, because

:26:30.:26:32.

this is at the same time, yesterday was quite extraordinary, Rex

:26:33.:26:37.

Tillerson, Secretary of State, at the same time as the news

:26:38.:26:41.

conference. Explain the significance of that. One is going back and forth

:26:42.:26:45.

between Tillerson discussing the future of US engagement with Russia,

:26:46.:26:50.

being as clear questions, would he stick to sanctions? At the same time

:26:51.:26:54.

as the President-elect is being forced to respond to questions about

:26:55.:26:57.

whether he himself was engaged and had knowledge of Russia's attempts

:26:58.:27:03.

to hack into and influence the US elections. So those are, you know,

:27:04.:27:09.

contingencies, right? They are developments that affect each other.

:27:10.:27:13.

Tillerson, you know, said very clearly that his view would be that

:27:14.:27:17.

we should stick to the status quo until there is a more competent of

:27:18.:27:20.

strategy for the US relationship with Russia. As a voter, Philip, do

:27:21.:27:26.

you want to see Donald Trump's tax returns? I don't know it sadly what

:27:27.:27:35.

we would get out a bit. It would probably clear up a few things for

:27:36.:27:39.

people if he would satisfy a few people, if he would show them. Are

:27:40.:27:45.

you interested in an explanation as to why he has not so far, or does it

:27:46.:27:50.

not bother you? I mean, I'm not too worried about it, I figure somewhere

:27:51.:27:54.

along the line he will eventually have to show them. But I don't think

:27:55.:28:00.

it is that big a deal to me. Where are you on relations between the US

:28:01.:28:04.

and Russia? We had Donald Trump in at press conference, if I get on

:28:05.:28:09.

with Putin, that is an asset, he is right, isn't he? I don't think so,

:28:10.:28:13.

because the reason that the US and Russia are not friends is because

:28:14.:28:17.

Russian foreign policy is predicated on undermining liberal Western

:28:18.:28:20.

democracy on the global stage. But they might perhaps change his

:28:21.:28:25.

approach? I think that is a very naive assessment, because every

:28:26.:28:28.

president that has and estimated Vladimir Putin on the global stage

:28:29.:28:33.

has been outfoxed by him, and it is something where he is an

:28:34.:28:36.

authoritarian thugs, and at some point we have to acknowledge that

:28:37.:28:40.

American values do not correspond with Russian values on the global

:28:41.:28:43.

stage. That foreign policy disconnect exists for a reason. I

:28:44.:28:47.

think it is the bleak troubling that Tillerson, the Secretary of State

:28:48.:28:52.

nominee, was awarded the highest civilian honour by Vladimir Putin.

:28:53.:28:56.

Even outside this dossier, even if all these claims are false, daddy

:28:57.:28:59.

bleak troubling allegations about the ties between the soon be most

:29:00.:29:04.

powerful man in the Western world, the linchpin of Western liberal

:29:05.:29:06.

democracy, and how much he's willing to do to get along with Vladimir

:29:07.:29:13.

Putin. Will he say that the invasion of Ukraine and the Crimea, you are

:29:14.:29:17.

going to get a free pass? You are going to get a free pass for trying

:29:18.:29:21.

to influence American voting? Those things are troubling, and that some

:29:22.:29:25.

point you have to say now. I completely agree with that, we have

:29:26.:29:33.

much more to lose than to gain with them becoming chums. I think Trump

:29:34.:29:38.

is very vulnerable to, you know, being influenced, he has proven

:29:39.:29:42.

himself to be very gullible, the conspiracies that he has brought up

:29:43.:29:47.

over he is - I mean, one point that people brought up yesterday is that

:29:48.:29:50.

he is attacking the media for bringing up unverified claims, but

:29:51.:29:53.

he is the one who first started bringing up the idea that Obama was

:29:54.:29:58.

not born in the US. Really, that was the most unverified claim that I can

:29:59.:30:02.

think of in modern politics. A quick final thought from you, should

:30:03.:30:08.

Buzzfeed have published a dossier with unverifiable, and there and

:30:09.:30:17.

unverifiable claims, with a warning saying, we seriously doubt these

:30:18.:30:22.

allegations are true? Personally, I wouldn't have, I understand the

:30:23.:30:26.

logic as to why they did, which is, well, we have the report that there

:30:27.:30:29.

was this dossier, people are going to debate it, they have the right to

:30:30.:30:33.

know what they are debating. I probably wouldn't have, but I

:30:34.:30:36.

understand why they did. Thank you for, another programme.

:30:37.:30:41.

We'll put your questions on the row over Trump's alleged links to Moscow

:30:42.:30:49.

to our diplomatic correspondence Paul Adams. Paul has the knowledge

:30:50.:30:54.

of Christopher Steele, the British spy, former British spy I should

:30:55.:30:58.

say, who wrote this dossier which ended up on President Obama's desk

:30:59.:31:00.

last week. Still to come, we'll hear

:31:01.:31:07.

from a mum of two, who, driving while drunk,

:31:08.:31:10.

hit and injured a cyclist. She pleaded guilty to drink

:31:11.:31:12.

driving and leaving Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

:31:13.:31:13.

flies out to join Greece and Turkey in landmark talks to reunify

:31:14.:31:18.

the divided island of Cyprus. We speak to a Greek

:31:19.:31:20.

and a Turkish Cypriot about how Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:31:21.:31:23.

with a summary of todays news. The US Director of National

:31:24.:31:42.

Intelligence has rejected suggestions made by Donald Trump

:31:43.:31:44.

that official intelligence agencies leaked claims that Russia had

:31:45.:31:47.

compromising material on him. In a statement, James Clapper said

:31:48.:31:49.

he had called the President-elect to say the information had not come

:31:50.:31:51.

from the security services. The Huffington Post so there is an

:31:52.:32:10.

issue with Donald Trump and many US citizens. We still don't know how

:32:11.:32:15.

many credible this is. I think it speaks volumes that a lot of voters

:32:16.:32:20.

and experts believe it could possibly happen. It doesn't seem

:32:21.:32:26.

that out of character based on his other Russia ties, based on his

:32:27.:32:27.

behaviour. More than 3,000 American troops,

:32:28.:32:32.

tanks, and armoured vehicles arrive in Poland today,

:32:33.:32:34.

the United States' biggest military presence in the region

:32:35.:32:36.

since the Cold War. It's to support a Nato operation

:32:37.:32:38.

to deter any Russian aggression towards countries in eastern Europe,

:32:39.:32:41.

since the conflict in Ukraine and the Russian

:32:42.:32:43.

annexation of Crimea. The troops arrival comes just days

:32:44.:32:44.

before the inauguration of Donald Trump, who's signalled

:32:45.:32:47.

he wants to improve A number of major retailers have

:32:48.:32:49.

published their sales figures for the Christmas

:32:50.:32:54.

period this morning. M reported a 2.3% rise in clothing

:32:55.:32:57.

sales in the 13 weeks Meanwhile, Tesco says its third

:32:58.:33:00.

quarter sales were up by 1.8%. And, John Lewis has reported a 2.7%

:33:01.:33:08.

rise in like-for-like sales over Temperatures across the UK

:33:09.:33:11.

are expected to fall over the next couple of days,

:33:12.:33:18.

bringing the possibility The Met Office has issued

:33:19.:33:20.

yellow "Be Aware" warnings In Scotland, travellers face another

:33:21.:33:25.

day of wintry weather conditions with snow and winds up to 70mph

:33:26.:33:29.

forecast throughout the day. Plans for the UK's first

:33:30.:33:36.

hydro-electric tidal lagoon will take a significant

:33:37.:33:38.

step forward today. A report from the former energy

:33:39.:33:41.

minister Charles Hendy concludes that the technology can deliver

:33:42.:33:45.

a secure supply of clean energy, with Swansea Bay the front runner

:33:46.:33:47.

for the ?1.3 billion project. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:33:48.:33:54.

News - more at 10:00am. Here's some sport now

:33:55.:33:59.

with John Watson. Southampton are a step

:34:00.:34:01.

closer to Wembley. They beat Liverpool 1-0

:34:02.:34:04.

in the first leg of the EFL Cup semi-final last night,

:34:05.:34:06.

Nathan Redmond with the goal. The return leg is at Anfield

:34:07.:34:08.

is in a fortnight's time. Manchester City have been charged

:34:09.:34:12.

by the Football Association, Clubs must supply information

:34:13.:34:14.

about the whereabouts of their players so that drug

:34:15.:34:18.

testers know where they are, but the club failed to do

:34:19.:34:21.

so on three occasions, having failed to update training

:34:22.:34:24.

details when schedules changed. England captain Alastair Cook

:34:25.:34:30.

will meet director of cricket Andrew Strauss on Friday,

:34:31.:34:32.

but no decision on his role England lost their recent

:34:33.:34:35.

series against India 4-0. Andy Murray is in Melbourne,

:34:36.:34:42.

ahead of the Australian Open draw which takes place in the early hours

:34:43.:34:45.

of Friday morning. Laura Robson and Tara Moore

:34:46.:34:47.

won't be in the draw, More sport at 10am. You may have

:34:48.:35:09.

heard, in Britain today we are going to get thunder snow and Carol is

:35:10.:35:13.

going to explain what thunder snow is and how it's going to affect you

:35:14.:35:16.

and which parts of Britain. Hit and run driver cause more than

:35:17.:35:27.

17,000 crashes every year, more than one in ten of road accidents where

:35:28.:35:31.

someone is injured. But what makes people leave the scene of an

:35:32.:35:35.

accident? Criminology is in Leicester have interviewed hundreds

:35:36.:35:38.

of people who admit they failed to stop after an accident. Many say

:35:39.:35:43.

they panicked and fled or were drunk. Alarmingly, others said they

:35:44.:35:47.

didn't think it was serious enough to report, or didn't realise it was

:35:48.:35:52.

a crime to leave the scene of an accident. We can speak to Sarah who

:35:53.:35:57.

hit and injured a cyclist while driving drunk in 2014. She pleaded

:35:58.:36:01.

guilty to drink-driving and leaving the scene of the accident. Sarah

:36:02.:36:06.

isn't your real name, you've asked us to change it because you are now

:36:07.:36:10.

trying to rebuild your life. I wonder if you could take us back to

:36:11.:36:14.

the day of the crash and what happened. I remember buying alcohol,

:36:15.:36:21.

and receiving a phone call from my partner who was in hospital at the

:36:22.:36:26.

time, saying he could receive visitors. I remember walking to my

:36:27.:36:30.

car and then I have no recollection of the 35 mile Drive, until I came

:36:31.:36:40.

to in my car with the wind screen smashed in. I instantly knew I had

:36:41.:36:44.

been in an accident. How much had you drunk before you got in the car?

:36:45.:36:51.

I would approximate between a half and a full bottle of vodka. OK. This

:36:52.:36:57.

was because you had a relapse because you are an alcoholic? I am

:36:58.:37:02.

an alcoholic, yes. You had a number of years sober and this was a

:37:03.:37:08.

relapse that summer. Yes. You blacked out, as you say, and what

:37:09.:37:13.

you remember is effectively waking up and being pulled out of your own

:37:14.:37:17.

car with the windscreen smashed, by a police officer. Yes. When did you

:37:18.:37:24.

realise you'd hit a cyclist? 15 seconds before the police man came,

:37:25.:37:30.

and I saw the carnage, then he came, pulled me out and told me what I had

:37:31.:37:37.

done. How did you respond to that? I was sickened and scared, full of

:37:38.:37:43.

fear. He told me straightaway that luckily he was OK and was going to

:37:44.:37:51.

survive, but he was very cross, the policeman was extremely cross. And I

:37:52.:37:55.

can understand that. How did you know he was cross with you? His

:37:56.:38:03.

voice, the way he extracted me from the car. I'm not saying what he did

:38:04.:38:07.

was wrong in any way. He was doing his job. But I knew what I had done

:38:08.:38:15.

was serious. How drunk were you when he pulled you out? Berry. -- very. I

:38:16.:38:29.

can recall the moment when he pulled me from the car but I don't recall

:38:30.:38:33.

being taken to the police station, I was in a poor emotional state to be

:38:34.:38:37.

interviewed, so they took me back to the hospital to have me observed

:38:38.:38:43.

overnight. They were worried about my mental state. Can you tell us,

:38:44.:38:50.

presumably from what you learned subsequently, the circumstances of

:38:51.:38:53.

the accident? Where is the cyclist in relation to your car? I have no

:38:54.:38:58.

idea but judging from the damage of my car, I hit him head-on. When I

:38:59.:39:05.

saw my car a couple of days later, it made me physically sick to see

:39:06.:39:10.

the damage that had been done. He must have hit me head on, gone

:39:11.:39:16.

straight into the bonnet, hit the windscreen, and his bicycle went

:39:17.:39:21.

down the side of the car. What with the nature of his injuries? He had a

:39:22.:39:26.

broken collarbone, three broken fingers and a deep cut to his leg.

:39:27.:39:32.

That police officer was right. That guy was lucky to be alive. Extremely

:39:33.:39:37.

lucky. Is where you, potentially. Yes. Goodness. He went to court,

:39:38.:39:42.

pleaded guilty to drink-driving and leaving the scene of an accident.

:39:43.:39:46.

You clearly accepted what you did was wrong. I did. I did, there was

:39:47.:39:53.

no, although I have no memory or recollection, there were witnesses

:39:54.:40:00.

who saw what I did that. I accepted the responsibility. What do you mean

:40:01.:40:07.

that you have no memory of it? I don't know whether I was blacked out

:40:08.:40:12.

or asleep. I used to think an alcoholic blackout was when you just

:40:13.:40:16.

crashed out and went to sleep, but now I know it's where you actually

:40:17.:40:22.

continue to operate and function, but you have no awareness of what

:40:23.:40:25.

you're doing. I don't know how I managed to drive that distance. 35

:40:26.:40:33.

miles. From Bury St Edmunds to Cambridge. I have no idea how I did

:40:34.:40:38.

it. Did you technically leave the scene of the accident? I pleaded

:40:39.:40:42.

guilty to that crime, the policeman told me that is what I had done, so

:40:43.:40:48.

I accepted it. On the advice of a friend who was a solicitor, they

:40:49.:40:50.

said I could have fought that because of the distance that I had

:40:51.:40:57.

travelled. As far as I was concerned, no, I was responsible, I

:40:58.:41:02.

did it and I pleaded guilty. You received a one-year driving ban, a

:41:03.:41:07.

?500 fine and a 110 hours community service. What did you think of that

:41:08.:41:13.

punishment? Very lenient. Very lenient for what I had done.

:41:14.:41:17.

Potentially I could have killed him. Killed myself. Destroyed families,

:41:18.:41:26.

his family, his career. I don't know what his career was, but he had

:41:27.:41:32.

broken fingers. If he was a surgeon, or someone who used his hands, that

:41:33.:41:37.

may have destroyed his career. So I felt that the sentence I was given

:41:38.:41:43.

was very lenient. Had you been sent to prison, for example, you would

:41:44.:41:48.

have lost your home potentially, your job, possibly your children.

:41:49.:41:55.

How many children do you have? Two. You've never met the minute it. He

:41:56.:41:59.

wrote him a letter. What did you say? I expressed my remorse, I

:42:00.:42:04.

explained my situation, not that that is any excuse. That you are an

:42:05.:42:12.

alcoholic? Yes. It is no excuse, but I wanted him to know that I was

:42:13.:42:16.

sorry and I was very remorseful for what I had done. Did you receive a

:42:17.:42:26.

reply? No. Did you expect to? No. If you met him now what would you say?

:42:27.:42:32.

I would ask his forgiveness. I'm not sure whether I would receive it. But

:42:33.:42:37.

there's nothing that I can say or do that can change my past behaviour. I

:42:38.:42:45.

would really want him to know that I am sorry for what I did, and I have

:42:46.:42:49.

put things in place that it won't happen again. Do you live with the

:42:50.:42:59.

guilt, or have you found a way of managing it? I've found a way of

:43:00.:43:08.

managing the guilt. What is that? In the summer of 2015 I went into a

:43:09.:43:14.

rehab centre, which led me to a 12 step fellowship, where I've worked

:43:15.:43:18.

the 12 steps of recovery. In that, you deal with, you learn how to deal

:43:19.:43:25.

with guilt, shame, anger, hate, remorse. With the help of my sponsor

:43:26.:43:31.

we'd been through that and she has given me the emotional tools I need

:43:32.:43:35.

to deal with issues like this, when I come up. If I was to let it

:43:36.:43:44.

enveloped me, it would destroy me. If that happens then I go backwards

:43:45.:43:48.

and I can't move forwards. How long have you been sober this time? 18

:43:49.:43:54.

months. You took part in a study by Leicester University looking at why

:43:55.:44:00.

people commit hit and runs. Some people were drunk, others made a

:44:01.:44:04.

calculated decision to drive away. Or, they just didn't think it was a

:44:05.:44:07.

particularly serious crime, or they panic. What do you think of those

:44:08.:44:18.

explanations? I think that, looking at it, I should imagine fear is one

:44:19.:44:21.

of the biggest things that would make someone leave the scene. It's

:44:22.:44:25.

fear of the consequences, if they have been drinking, or they are

:44:26.:44:30.

illegal, the consequences are going to be harsh. They will be taken to

:44:31.:44:35.

court. I believe, obviously they should stay and face the

:44:36.:44:39.

consequences, because they have committed a crime, as I did. It's

:44:40.:44:46.

fear on their part or panic, but that doesn't make it right. Thank

:44:47.:44:51.

you very much for talking to us, Sarah.

:44:52.:44:53.

Coming up, Coronation Street star Simon Gregson reveals his wife Emma

:44:54.:44:57.

as he hits back at trolls criticising his Corrie storyline.

:44:58.:45:07.

As a popular holiday destination, it's easy to forget that

:45:08.:45:09.

Cyprus has been a divided country for more than 40 years.

:45:10.:45:12.

When Turkey launched a military invasion on the island in 1974,

:45:13.:45:16.

it split into the Turkish north and the Greek south.

:45:17.:45:18.

Over the years there have been efforts to reunite the island,

:45:19.:45:21.

but no agreement has ever been reached.

:45:22.:45:22.

But there's hope that fresh talks in Geneva could be more successful.

:45:23.:45:25.

So how did we get here? The BBC's Paul Adam explains.

:45:26.:45:28.

Cyprus has been politically divided for half a century,

:45:29.:45:30.

That's when Turkey launched an invasion.

:45:31.:45:33.

it was there to protect the small Turkish Cypriot minority.

:45:34.:45:37.

There had just been a coup by the larger Greek Cypriot community,

:45:38.:45:40.

with the express aim of uniting Cyprus with Greece.

:45:41.:45:43.

Thousands of people were killed, and as many as 200,000 people,

:45:44.:45:48.

from the north and the south, were displaced.

:45:49.:45:51.

People lost their homes, they lost their businesses.

:45:52.:45:55.

The UN was called in to patrol the so-called Green Line,

:45:56.:45:58.

which divided the island into two parts,

:45:59.:46:00.

Two United Nations tanks moved in to disperse the crowd...

:46:01.:46:09.

Well, you have to remember that Cyprus

:46:10.:46:14.

is a member of the European Union, and, clearly,

:46:15.:46:16.

a member that is divided, in the way that Cyprus is,

:46:17.:46:19.

There does seem to be quite a bit of optimism that a deal

:46:20.:46:24.

is finally possible to resolve this long conflict.

:46:25.:46:29.

This is going to be difficult, and it's possible.

:46:30.:46:31.

It's going to be difficult because obviously even if the majority

:46:32.:46:34.

of issues have been solved in all chapters,

:46:35.:46:36.

it is not the easiest questions that we have left at the end.

:46:37.:46:40.

It has to be said - we have been here before.

:46:41.:46:42.

There was a referendum on a peace deal back in 2004.

:46:43.:46:45.

This is going to be difficult, and it's possible.

:46:46.:46:48.

The Turkish Cypriots agreed to it, the Greek Cypriots said no.

:46:49.:46:51.

So there's been a lot more diplomacy, particularly

:46:52.:46:53.

in the last few months, and, crucially, the Turkish

:46:54.:46:55.

president, President Erdogan, also seems to favour a settlement.

:46:56.:46:59.

So the omens do seem better than they've been for quite a long time.

:47:00.:47:06.

Let's talk now to Greek Cypriots Elaine Tofaris

:47:07.:47:09.

and Christos Karaolis, both of their families

:47:10.:47:12.

are originally from the northern part of the island.

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We also have Onur Ibrahim and Hasan Raif,

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And Dr Rebecca Bryant, from the London School

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of Economics' Europe Institute, joins us from Cyprus.

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Christos, tell our British audience how this split affected your dad in

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terms of his home. So my dad is from is from the northern part of the

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island, and he was a wee here in the 1970s to set up Greek schools, and

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following the invasion he was not able to return to his home in

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Morphou. He couldn't get access to it. What do you mean? Following the

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invasion, there was the establishment of the Green Line, and

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my father was not able to get access to his property in Morphou, likewise

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his sister gave birth to my cousin on the 22nd of July 1974, two days

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after the invasion, in Morphou. She packed in some photo albums,

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suitcases, got in her car with their husband, and just drove south. So

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for my dad and his family, and my mum's family, it is a really tragic

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story of picking up what you can and leaving, just fleeing south. Just

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explain, people want to learn more, because as the talks are going on,

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why did she drive south? Why couldn't she stay? The Turkish army

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was advancing from the northern part of the island, there is about 40

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kilometres between Turkey and Cyprus, the army was advancing

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north, and so for her it was a question of picking up what you can

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get and driving south. She was worried for her safety, she had a

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newborn child, get out as quick as you can. Onur, your family and

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Turkish Cypriots, tell us what happened back in 1974, how it

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affected your family. So my father was made a refugee in the 1960s, so

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previous 21974, there was another civil uprising that led to the

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situation. -- previous to. They will force to leave their village on the

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eastern side of the mountains and lived as refugees until the

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beginning of the 1970s, when my father decided he wanted to educate

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himself. He managed to work at a beach bar and save the money to come

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to London, he enrolled in a college and got a degree in Electrical

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engineering. He began his career with the ambition of going back to

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Cyprus, to live and work in Cyprus, but he was not able to do that.

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Explain why. The situation in 1974 was very complicated. Go is

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subsequently, why couldn't he go back? As a community, we were

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stronger together before 1974. Post-1974, the division lead to more

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than just a geographic division, it was a cultural division between two

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people of the same culture, very similar. We're much more similar

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than we are different. Would you agree with that, Elaine? I think

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Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots are very similar. More similar than

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different? My father left Cyprus in 1955, and here are members working

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alongside Turkish Cypriots, so he was not really involved in trouble

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in that sense. But I mean, the war that happened in 1974, it has often

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been described in the media as being almost amicable, drifting

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separately, the Greeks going south, the Turks going north. And actually

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it was a very brutal time, a very terrible time. As Christos has just

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described, tell us about your family. I was born here, but it is

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an overriding memory, I remember the frantic worry, nobody knew where

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anybody was, our family literally packed, they didn't even have time

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to take photos, they literally fled for their lives, people were

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dropping out of the sky, you know, armed soldiers and bombs. And they

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left in literally what they had on. So as I understand it, you have the

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deeds to land that your family owned before they had to flee. Why can't

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you reclaim that? My grandfather was an orphan, he had nine children, and

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he worked really hard to try to get land so that his children would have

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some land, as was the way at that time. And it was occupied, and my

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family, when they fled, they scattered, they dispersed, the whole

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family, it took away our whole kind of culture and heritage, really,

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because we were never able to go back. That land was occupied. I

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mean, so... Sorry, so if there is justice from these talks, that land

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should be given back to your family? Well, that would be my idea, the

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original deed owners should be returned to the land, but it goes

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beyond financial gain. It is a lost history and culture. I have angles

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and aunties living alone in high-rise flats, but they should be

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living in their community. I am not saying that time would have stood

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still. I understand that. Hasan, what are your hopes for these talks

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in the future? You don't want to ask me the history, then? No, go for it.

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Well, I believe the whole story started just after the Cypriots

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Republic fell. You know what? I don't want to go to far back, since

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1974, the impact on your family, what do you hope from these talks?

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Well, we had to move from south to north, I stayed three is and then

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came back to England. -- three years. I am very hopeful for these

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talks, and hopefully it is going to be sorted out, so we can find a

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solution. But what about land, property, homes? You know, are

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people going to be poring over maps to draw lines and borders? What do

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you think? I think we have representatives that we trust, that

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we have voted in democratically to represent us on both sides. And as a

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nation, we have to think about the young people that are coming next.

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The future generations of a lack of jobs, a lack of infrastructure, and

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a non-stable financial system. Is that because of the divide? We have

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a private banking system European banking in the South. We have mixed

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feelings about transport and travel. We have people migrating from north

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to south and south to north to work. There is a lot going on. Rebecca

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Adams,, sorry, Rebecca Bryant, from the London School of Economics, you

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are in Cyprus, in terms of unifying this land, what are the prospects

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through these peace talks in Geneva? Well, with these particular peace

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talks, it is hard to say. I would say that right now the mood in

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Cyprus, where I happen to be for some research right now, is subdued

:54:52.:54:58.

optimism. People want something to happen, but Cypriots have gone

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through so many rounds of negotiations, over so many years,

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that there is a type of exhaustion. So even though people are

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obsessively following the negotiations that are going on in

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Geneva right now, people are not entirely sure whether they can hope

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for it or not. Can I ask you, Rebecca, what are the issues? I feel

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like I am honing in on property, thousands of people lost homes, is

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it about territory, boundaries, land? Governance, security. Yes, the

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main sticking point is that, and part of the reason the main sticking

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point is that, well, two reasons - one is the complications of what has

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happened to the land of displaced persons since 1974, particularly in

:55:49.:55:54.

the north, the way that the land was distributed first two displaced

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Turkish Cypriots, and later to non-displaced Turkish Cypriots, and

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also people coming from Turkey. And the way that the land has been

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developed since then has created an incredibly complicated system that

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is very difficult to unravel. And so how that is going to happen is

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something that is still really up in the air. It is not entirely clear

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yet what the mechanisms will be for resolving the property issue. That

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then is tied up with issues of return - in other words, people may

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be able to reclaim their property but not necessarily go back to it.

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Or people may be compensated for it and so on. And it is also tied up

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with issues of territory, as you say, because for example, yesterday,

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last night, the two teams, the two leaders presented maps to the United

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Nations of how they are going to reduce the amount of territory in

:56:56.:57:00.

the Turkish Cypriot constituent state. These were two competing

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maps, they had agreed at the end of 2016 of the percentage of land that

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each would present on their maps, how much land would belong to the

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Turkish Cypriot state after a solution - those maps were put under

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lock and key by the United Nations, but they became the key to the

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conference that is going on today. I am going to pause there, Rebecca,

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thank you very much, I appreciate your time, a lane, Christos, Hasan,

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Onur. Thank you very much. -- he -- Elaine. The latest news and sport in

:57:47.:57:50.

just a moment, excuse me, thank you very much. We are going to get

:57:51.:57:54.

thundersnow, people are excited about this, including Carol, what is

:57:55.:57:58.

thundersnow? Thunderstorms happen all the time

:57:59.:58:07.

and all over the world as well. Normally, thunderstorms come out of

:58:08.:58:11.

a cumulonimbus cloud, a lot going on inside the clouds, and as they fall

:58:12.:58:16.

into milder conditions, the atmosphere, you will find they fall

:58:17.:58:21.

as rain. But if it is colder at surface level, they fall as snow, so

:58:22.:58:26.

that is essentially thundersnow. But they do create some fabulous

:58:27.:58:30.

displays, because they reflect the snow, and Nick Miller will be

:58:31.:58:34.

talking about it later in the programme, explaining what happens

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inside a cumulonimbus cloud, easy for you to say! Thank you very much,

:58:39.:58:44.

see you later. Today what we have got is quite a bit of snow, and you

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can see from these lovely pictures, we have seen it through the course

:58:49.:58:53.

of this morning. This was taken earlier on in the Highlands, and we

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have got another one as well, lovely sunrise, lying snow in

:59:00.:59:02.

Aberdeenshire, and another one in South Lanarkshire. So there is some

:59:03.:59:07.

snow around. The snow was largely across the northern half of the UK,

:59:08.:59:13.

and it is snow showers, and to the squeezing of those isobars, it is

:59:14.:59:16.

also very windy, so there will be blizzards on the hills. Further

:59:17.:59:20.

south, we have rain coming in Curtis of this area of low pressure. --

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courtesy. At the moment, we have got mild south-westerly winds, later the

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wind of years to more of a northwesterly, which is a cold

:59:33.:59:36.

direction, and then we will start to see some sleet and snow in the

:59:37.:59:40.

forecast. This morning, snow showers across covered, northern England,

:59:41.:59:43.

Northern Ireland, some of the heavier showers there, a lot of it

:59:44.:59:52.

in the hills of Wales. A lot of rain, actually, there could be some

:59:53.:59:57.

issues with flooding on the roads, surface water flooding, that is. A

:59:58.:00:01.

cold day in prospect, when you add on the effects of the wind, it will

:00:02.:00:06.

feel even colder, that is the wind chill. As we head to the evening and

:00:07.:00:10.

overnight, we carry on with the showers, through the afternoon as

:00:11.:00:14.

well, across Northern Ireland, across Scotland too. Then there is a

:00:15.:00:19.

risk of ice, as we have got this morning, the same across northern

:00:20.:00:23.

England, in between dry conditions. For the rush hour, we are looking at

:00:24.:00:27.

a snow showers across parts of Wales, trying up across the

:00:28.:00:31.

south-west, and then we run into this rain falling as sleet and snow,

:00:32.:00:35.

particularly over the hills, but we could see some at lower levels. Into

:00:36.:00:39.

the evening, there it goes, pushing down to East Anglia and into care.

:00:40.:00:44.

Behind that, we are looking at a risk of ice, so take care if you are

:00:45.:00:49.

travelling. Now, through the evening and overnight, you can see what is

:00:50.:00:54.

happening, snow showers around, then this band coming across Scotland,

:00:55.:00:57.

moving eventually into northern England. Snow showers across

:00:58.:01:01.

Northern Ireland, Wales, the south-west. This will continue to

:01:02.:01:05.

push southwestwards, getting into the North Midlands and North Wales

:01:06.:01:09.

by the end of the night. Ahead of it cold, but at this stage dry. Picking

:01:10.:01:15.

this up for tomorrow morning's rush-hour, it will continue south,

:01:16.:01:18.

pushing across the London area, East Anglia and Kent before it clears

:01:19.:01:23.

away. Then a lot of dry weather, a bit of sunshine, still chilly in the

:01:24.:01:26.

wind, a peppering of showers, wintry in nature, out towards the north and

:01:27.:01:31.

west. Down the east coast, gales through the North Sea, whipping up

:01:32.:01:35.

some large waves. That will also coincide with the spring tides, so

:01:36.:01:40.

there is the risk of some coastal flooding across parts of the east

:01:41.:01:44.

coast of England. The other thing is that there are also going to be

:01:45.:01:45.

wintry showers. Hello it's Thursday, it's 10

:01:46.:01:50.

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Our top story, a former British

:01:51.:01:52.

spy is now at the heart of the story about claims -

:01:53.:01:55.

ferociously rubbished by Donald Trump - that in Moscow

:01:56.:01:57.

in 2013 Mr Trump fraternised with prostitutes on a bed previously

:01:58.:02:00.

used by President Obama. All fake news, it's phoney stuff, it

:02:01.:02:17.

didn't happen, and it was gotten by opponents of hours. They at that

:02:18.:02:26.

nonsense that was released by, maybe the intelligence agencies, who

:02:27.:02:29.

knows? But maybe the intelligence agencies.

:02:30.:02:32.

But America's intelligence chief tells Mr Trump he doesn't

:02:33.:02:34.

believe his colleagues leaked the allegations.

:02:35.:02:49.

Coronation Street star Simon Gregson - Steve Mcdonald in the soap -

:02:50.:02:52.

reveals his wife Emma has experienced 11 miscarriages

:02:53.:02:54.

as he hits back at trolls criticising his Corrie storyline.

:02:55.:03:01.

Nutella makers fight back after claims that palm oil, one

:03:02.:03:04.

What do you think - does that make you think

:03:05.:03:09.

Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:03:10.:03:26.

In the past few minutes new figures have been released showing the

:03:27.:03:32.

continuing pressure on the NHS in England. Monthly performance data

:03:33.:03:35.

for November shows key targets continue to be missed. These include

:03:36.:03:40.

the 62 day target for cancer treatment to start and the 18 weeks

:03:41.:03:45.

target for routine operations. Victoria will have more on this

:03:46.:03:47.

story in the next half an hour. The US Director of National

:03:48.:03:52.

Intelligence has rejected suggestions made by Donald Trump

:03:53.:03:54.

that official intelligence agencies leaked claims that Russia had

:03:55.:03:56.

compromising material on him. In a statement, James Clapper said

:03:57.:03:58.

he had called the President-elect to say the information had not come

:03:59.:04:00.

from the security services. And at 12:30pm on the BBC

:04:01.:04:05.

News Channel, I'll be putting your questions

:04:06.:04:08.

on the political row over Trump's alleged links to Moscow

:04:09.:04:13.

to our diplomatic correspondent Paul Please get in touch with us

:04:14.:04:15.

to ask those questions. You can text us or send an email

:04:16.:04:19.

or contact us via Twitter More than 3,000 American troops,

:04:20.:04:22.

tanks, and armoured vehicles are arriving in Poland this morning

:04:23.:04:26.

- the United States' biggest military presence

:04:27.:04:29.

in the region since the Cold War. It's to support a Nato operation

:04:30.:04:33.

to deter any Russian aggression towards countries in eastern Europe

:04:34.:04:36.

- since the conflict in Ukraine and the Russian

:04:37.:04:39.

annexation of Crimea. The troops arrival comes just days

:04:40.:04:43.

before the inauguration of Donald Trump, who's signalled

:04:44.:04:45.

he wants to improve A number of major retailers have

:04:46.:04:47.

published their sales figures for the Christmas

:04:48.:04:53.

period this morning. M S reported a 2.3% rise

:04:54.:04:55.

in clothing sales in the 13 weeks Meanwhile, Tesco says its third

:04:56.:04:58.

quarter sales were up by 1.8%. And, John Lewis has reported a 2.7%

:04:59.:05:08.

rise in like-for-like sales over We've had some quite robust figures

:05:09.:05:12.

across the board. It seems the only negative story

:05:13.:05:27.

so far this year have been a Next, with a dismal report,

:05:28.:05:30.

and what we can confirm Overall, it seems to be quite

:05:31.:05:33.

a robust Christmas for everyone. There's been an increase

:05:34.:05:36.

in the number of hit and run Researchers at Leicester university

:05:37.:05:39.

have interviewed hundreds of people who admit they failed to stop

:05:40.:05:42.

after an accident. Many say they panicked and fled

:05:43.:05:44.

while others said they didn't think it was serious enough to report

:05:45.:05:47.

or didn't realise it was One woman who drove after drinking

:05:48.:06:00.

heavily told Victoria she hit a cyclist and left the scene.

:06:01.:06:08.

Potentially I could have killed him, killed myself, destroyed families.

:06:09.:06:11.

Temperatures across the UK are expected to fall over

:06:12.:06:13.

the next couple of days, bringing the possibility

:06:14.:06:15.

The Met Office has issued yellow "Be Aware" warnings

:06:16.:06:18.

In Scotland, travellers face another day of wintry weather conditions

:06:19.:06:22.

with snow and winds up to 70mph forecast throughout the day.

:06:23.:06:27.

Plans for the UK's first hydro-electric tidal lagoon

:06:28.:06:29.

will take a significant step forward today.

:06:30.:06:32.

A report from the former energy minister Charles Hendy concludes

:06:33.:06:36.

that the technology can deliver a secure supply of clean energy,

:06:37.:06:38.

with Swansea Bay the front runner for the ?1.3 billion project.

:06:39.:06:46.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10.30.

:06:47.:06:55.

Thank you for your comments on the interview with the hit and run

:06:56.:07:05.

driver, Sarah, not her real name. John e-mailed, in 2015I hit a

:07:06.:07:09.

pedestrian walking in the road in the early hours of the morning. The

:07:10.:07:13.

pedestrian had been drinking. I wasn't charged with the accident

:07:14.:07:18.

because it wasn't my fault. But my first thought after hitting the

:07:19.:07:22.

pedestrian was to run. I didn't, but it was my first thought. The

:07:23.:07:26.

pedestrian survived and made a full recovery. I still have flashbacks

:07:27.:07:31.

and nightmares. Another viewer says, is your hit and run driver expecting

:07:32.:07:39.

sympathy? A tweet, the punishment for the crime of the hit and run

:07:40.:07:42.

driver was ridiculous and I'm glad she knows it. Another viewer says,

:07:43.:07:45.

I'm shocked at the leniency of the sentence for what that woman did.

:07:46.:07:48.

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We try to read as many comments as we can, particularly if you have got

:07:57.:08:00.

pertinent experience. Here's some sport now

:08:01.:08:03.

with John Watson, and news of a good Southampton are a step

:08:04.:08:06.

closer to Wembley. They beat Liverpool 1-0

:08:07.:08:09.

in the first leg of the EFL Cup semi-final last night,

:08:10.:08:11.

Nathan Redmond with the goal. In reality, it should have been more

:08:12.:08:17.

for Southampton. It was a poor Liverpool performance, one that left

:08:18.:08:18.

Jurgen Klopp frustrated. The return leg is at Anfield

:08:19.:08:21.

is in a fortnight's time. If you want two disappointed

:08:22.:08:29.

managers after the game, won because they lost, one because they only

:08:30.:08:34.

lost 1-0 and has to go to Anfield. We will strike back, we will be a

:08:35.:08:38.

different team. We will be different everything. For us it's still

:08:39.:08:46.

possible to go to Wembley. We kept clean sheet, we can do a good

:08:47.:08:58.

performance with the ball. I think it's... At the end of the game, with

:08:59.:09:03.

just this win, with one goal up. Manchester City have been charged

:09:04.:09:07.

by the Football Association, Clubs must supply information

:09:08.:09:10.

about the whereabouts of their players so that drug

:09:11.:09:12.

testers know where they are, but the club failed to do

:09:13.:09:15.

so on three occasions, having failed to update training

:09:16.:09:17.

details when schedules changed. It is thought they will be handed a

:09:18.:09:27.

fine rather than a sporting sanction.

:09:28.:09:30.

England captain Alastair Cook will meet director of cricket

:09:31.:09:32.

Andrew Strauss on Friday, but no decision on his role

:09:33.:09:34.

It is thought there is no pressure to make any decision.

:09:35.:09:39.

England lost their recent series against India 4-0.

:09:40.:09:41.

Andy Murray is in Melbourne, ahead of the Australian Open draw

:09:42.:09:44.

which takes place in the early hours of Friday morning.

:09:45.:09:49.

It'll be the first time in his career that Andy Murray has been the

:09:50.:09:53.

top seed at a grand slam. Laura Robson and Tara Moore

:09:54.:09:56.

won't be in the draw, Going well at the moment is British

:09:57.:10:07.

number three Dan Evans who is through to a world tour semifinal

:10:08.:10:12.

for the first time in his career. He produced a stunning comeback to beat

:10:13.:10:16.

Dominic Thiem in the Sydney International. Johanna Konta faces

:10:17.:10:17.

Eugenie Bouchard next. And NBA basketball returns

:10:18.:10:22.

to London this evening. The Denver Nuggets are taking

:10:23.:10:24.

on the Indiana Pacers The NBA Global Games London

:10:25.:10:26.

is celebrating its 10th They'll be excited about being here

:10:27.:10:38.

in London. It's a unique experience that them. Of course they travel a

:10:39.:10:42.

lot throughout the United States and a bit to Canada, but the most part

:10:43.:10:47.

all of our games are on the continental United States. They are

:10:48.:10:49.

going to treat this as a deal for them. The NBA Commissioner speaking

:10:50.:10:53.

there. More sport at 10:30am. With top line involving

:10:54.:11:05.

former British spy now He is now in hiding. Our

:11:06.:11:15.

correspondence says Christopher Steele fled his home in Surrey

:11:16.:11:19.

either yesterday or the day before after asking his neighbour to look

:11:20.:11:26.

after his cat. The dossier contains unsubstantiated claims that Mr Trump

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watched prostitutes defile a bed in a Moscow hotel room that the Obamas

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had previously slept in. A furious Donald Trump singled out CNN and

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Buzzfeed, the main US out that is responsible for publicising the

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report, he also took a swipe at the BBC.

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Go ahead. Mr President-elect.

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Mr President-elect, since you are attacking our

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Go ahead, she is asking a question, don't be rude.

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I am not going to give you a question, you are fake news.

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I think it was disgraceful, disgraceful, that the intelligence

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agencies allowed any information that turned out to be

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I think it was a disgrace, and that's something that

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Nazi Germany would have done and did do.

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I'm also very much of a germophone, by the way, believe me.

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As far as BuzzFeed, which is a failing pile of garbage,

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writing it, I think they're going to suffer the consequences,

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As far as hacking, I think it was Russia, but I think we also

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got hacked by other countries and other people.

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If Putin likes Donald Trump, guess what, folks, that's called

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Now I don't know that I'm going to get along

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I hope they do, but there's a good chance I won't.

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And if I don't, do you honestly believe that Hillary would be

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Does anybody in this room really believe that?

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We could make deals in Russia very easily if we wanted to,

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I just don't want to, because I think that

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So I have no loans, no dealings and no current pending deals.

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Every President since the '70s has had a required audit from the IRS...

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Oh, gee, I've never heard that(!) You know, the only one that cares

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about my tax returns are the reporters.

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I don't feel like waiting a year, a year and a half, we're

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Mexico, in some form, and there are many different

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These papers are all just a piece of the many,

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many companies that are being put into trust to be run by my two sons,

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and I hope that the end of eight years I'll come back and I'll say,

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Otherwise, if they do a bad job, I'll say, "You're fired".

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We'd be interested to know if you believe the sex allegations. Let me

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know if you think BuzzFeed should have published the dossier when it

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is unverified and unverifiable. Even they said, we doubt these

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allegations are true. Let's talk to our security

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correspondent Frank Gardner. Who is Christopher Steele and why is

:14:23.:14:29.

he now at the centre of this story? You could not make up a more

:14:30.:14:38.

salacious, more fascinating story of sex, of intrigue, of political

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machinations than this one. And trying to find out what is true and

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what isn't is quite difficult. But it's fascinating. Christopher Steele

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is a former intelligence officer. He a former officer for the secret

:14:50.:14:56.

intelligence service, better known as MI6. He wasn't an agent, he was

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an officer. He would have operated as an intelligence gatherer for

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Britain's overseas intelligence arm. He has worked for something called

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Orbis which is a business intelligence firm in Britain. He is

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the author of a 35 page dossier which was compiled last year and

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which he thought contained or said contained such scurrilous details

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about President Trump that he handed it to the FBI in August.

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He was allegedly hired by Trump's opponents to compile this. In

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America? In America. Well, the allegations in this, and it has been

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published, by the way, not by the intelligence agencies who have

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leaked this, but it has leaked out. 35 pages of this, and I think you

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alluded to it, some pretty salacious details about goings-on in a Moscow

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hotel room. I don't know if you ever saw the film From Russia With Love?

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It bears a striking similarity to the fake glass, filming somebody's

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sexual activities from behind a two-way mirror. There is all of this

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involved, Donald Trump has said it is nonsense, fake news. Last night,

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an e-mail when Turan from the directorate of national intelligence

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in Washington, going around to all the journalists, saying, we did not

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leak this, we briefed the President-elect, we have briefed the

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FBI, we have talked to the president, and we did not leak it.

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If US intelligence agencies are briefing the president, Barack

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Obama, the President-elect, Donald Trump, the FBI, does that mean...

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What does it mean? What is the significance of that? If it is fake,

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why would a bland Barack Obama's desk? That is a very good point.

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Once was handed to the FBI and was assessed in August, it started to

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get taken seriously, because I suspect there are elements of it

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that are true, and elements which are not. There are some misspellings

:17:22.:17:25.

of names, which are causing people to say, well, hang on. People, my

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colleagues have spoken to them, they have said Christopher Steele is a

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serious player, you know, a respected intelligence officer, and

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like many of them, they start second careers at the age of about 50. They

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leave MI6 or MI5, or wherever they are working, the CIA and the FBI,

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and they start working for more money with more freedom, working for

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business intelligence, and he is one of those. It is unusual, I have to

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say, for someone to be so involved in politics, because obviously the

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intelligence officers have to be completely apolitical. But he is in

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the private sector, probably there was a fair bit of money involved.

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The Russians are delighted that this is being denied by... -- denied by

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Trump, and one of their organisations as retweeted what

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Trump has been saying. The allegations are that Russians have

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kompromat, compromising material on Donald Trump. It involves a tape,

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details of basically they hold they have got over him. You can see that,

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given that this guy in less than ten days, is about to have access to the

:18:40.:18:43.

nuclear codes, he is about to be the most powerful man in the world, if

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there was any truth in this, is it in America's interest for another

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power, which could possibly come into conflict with the United States

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one day, we hope that, is it in the US interest for them to have

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compromising material? Of course not, so they have got to look into

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it. They have got to alert the people concerned. But so far, the

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directorate of national intelligence in the US has not said if they think

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any of this is true or not. OK, thank you very much. Thank you,

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Frank Gardner, our security correspondent.

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So what about Americans who voted for Donald Trump?

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I asked two of them, Amanda Head in California

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and Alex Chalgran in Colombia, if they believe the claims

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published by BuzzFeed about Mr Trump fraternising with prostitutes

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in a Moscow hotel as they defiled a bed slept in by the Obamas.

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I believe this is about as much as I could throw a Volkswagen.

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About as much as you could do what?! Throw a Volkswagen! What does that

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mean? I can't throw a Volkswagen very far! You mean literally! Sorry,

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OK, I am being really thick! Something that wouldn't happen in

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real life! Alex, let me ask you, do you believe the claims in this

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apparent intelligence dossier? Absolutely not, I agree with Amanda,

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and I think that these allegations, that are completely unsubstantiated,

:20:19.:20:24.

could be borderline seditious almost, because they are assuming

:20:25.:20:31.

that our President-elect, the future President of the United States, has

:20:32.:20:35.

ties with Russia, and that is just, wow, unbelievable. I mean, yeah, it

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is dangerous dog. I just want to add that BuzzFeed sent out a memo to

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their employees, admitting there was no fact checking or cross sourcing,

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and they said, and I quote, we have serious reason to doubt the

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allegations, but they chose to publish it anyway. The latter half

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of that... They need to cut them off. You are right, the editor in

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chief said there are serious reasons to doubt the allegations, but it is

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not true to say that they had not tried to verify them for a number of

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weeks - they have tried and failed and took the decision to publish. So

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you should go ahead and publish it? That is not journalistic integrity.

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Well, they say, because it is a real story that this dossier is being

:21:29.:21:33.

handed around politicians in the higher echelons of Washington, and

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they wanted to put it at there for their readers, they is eight, for

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them to make up their own minds. -- they say. If I may intercede, I

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think we know that the higher echelons of the seats were not

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pro-Trump, and I think they have tried to do everything they possibly

:21:52.:21:54.

could to make sure he was not elected, and then to make sure he

:21:55.:21:59.

did not win the electoral vote confirmation. So it is OK for the

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CIA and some senators, including John McCain, Republican, I know he

:22:06.:22:09.

is no fan of Donald Trump, but it is OK for these people do read the

:22:10.:22:13.

dossier but not the rest of us? Absolutely not, I think these are

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things which should be substantiated first. All right, yeah, that is fair

:22:20.:22:27.

enough. What do you think, Amanda, of Donald Trump lashing out at the

:22:28.:22:30.

intelligence surfaces for what he said was leaking details of Russia's

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compromise in information? Here is the thing, and this is one of the

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things about my radio programme. I call it like I see it, I voted for

:22:43.:22:47.

Trump because the option on the other side was Hillary. I will

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support him as long as he continues to do the things that he has said he

:22:52.:22:56.

is going to do, and he does it in a manner of integrity. Unfortunately,

:22:57.:23:05.

what he portrays when he is out in public, and at a press conference,

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bashing our intelligence, this is where it seems a little bit like,

:23:10.:23:13.

you know, like when you are in the elevator with a husband and wife who

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are bickering, it is just really uncomfortable, not something that

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anyone else needs to see. I understand there are issues with our

:23:22.:23:25.

intelligence agent, even Barack Obama talked about doubting the

:23:26.:23:29.

credibility of them back in 2012, but those things need to be handled

:23:30.:23:34.

behind closed doors, and you know, sorry Trump, but this is the kind of

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stuff which you have to bring the public persona down, you cannot

:23:39.:23:44.

tweet every time you argue? Are angry. If you are going to tweet,

:23:45.:23:51.

use facts. Let's talk about his defence of these allegations, he

:23:52.:23:56.

could not possibly have been consorting with prostitute because

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he is a one! -- he is a germophone. I did not see him say that! Well,

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that is funny. If this was any other person, I would be, like, that is

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not a substantial response, but I can see it coming from him. He

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clearly has some of those OCD tendencies, and I think a lot of

:24:20.:24:24.

those tendencies, and you see this in psychological studies, that they

:24:25.:24:27.

often result in successful people because they are so particular about

:24:28.:24:30.

certain things, and Donald Trump is a success, whether you agree with

:24:31.:24:36.

him or not. I want to ask you about his tax returns, do you want to see

:24:37.:24:40.

his tax returns published? He did refer yesterday to the fact that his

:24:41.:24:44.

business interests will be handed over, the leadership of his business

:24:45.:24:52.

interests will be handed to his sons wily as President, do you want to

:24:53.:24:54.

see his tax returns published? No, I care what he does in office. I would

:24:55.:25:00.

kind of like to see dad, to be honest with you. And the reason why,

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I trust Trump completely, and that is why I voted for him, and I worked

:25:08.:25:13.

very hard with his campaign. But there again, I think that to make

:25:14.:25:16.

sure that everything is completely detached from his duty as president,

:25:17.:25:20.

from his former work, I think it is safe to see that is happening. You

:25:21.:25:25.

know, there are so many different things going around right now, the

:25:26.:25:30.

company and all these other things, it is just hard to tell. OK, thank

:25:31.:25:37.

you both so much for talking to a British audience, we really

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appreciated, thank you very much. Still to come, Coronation Street

:25:39.:25:44.

star Simon Gregson, Steve McDonald in the soap,

:25:45.:25:47.

reveals his wife Emma has as he hits back at trolls

:25:48.:25:50.

criticising his Corrie storyline. The NHS has released its monthly

:25:51.:25:55.

figures for November operation waits and delays

:25:56.:25:58.

on patients being discharged. The data shows key targets are still

:25:59.:26:13.

being missed, including the 62 day target for cancer treatment to

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start, and the 18 week target for routine operations. Yesterday the

:26:18.:26:22.

Prime Minister defended the Government's handling of the NHS.

:26:23.:26:25.

Jeremy Corbyn accused her of being in denial. We can talk to people

:26:26.:26:32.

across the country about the pressure of the NHS impacting on our

:26:33.:26:34.

lives. her grandad's cancer operation

:26:35.:26:37.

was cancelled twice in one week. Nigel Charles, talking to us

:26:38.:26:41.

from Devon, was rushed to hospital with a clot in the lung

:26:42.:26:44.

caused by cancer. He had to wait 12 hours on a trolley

:26:45.:26:46.

before they could find him a bed. And Pip Holman in London, who's been

:26:47.:26:50.

in agonising pain since August and had her operation cancelled

:26:51.:26:53.

last minute this week. Welcome, all of you, Nigel, I will

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begin with you, if I may, tell me what waiting 12 hours on a trolley

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with a clot on your loan is like. It was actually 13 hours! They relieve

:27:13.:27:18.

the pain very quickly, but it is not a very pleasant experience, being

:27:19.:27:24.

stuck in a trolley in the middle of a huge waiting room, very tedious,

:27:25.:27:28.

very boring and unpleasant experience. You have worked in

:27:29.:27:33.

health care yourself, I gather - when you suddenly find yourself in

:27:34.:27:38.

the middle of this, what is it like? Well, it is shocking. One reads

:27:39.:27:45.

about the stories, but to experience it is another thing altogether,

:27:46.:27:48.

astonishing to see these incredible delays in A, and what is more

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scandalous is that I was mostly surrounded by older people, and they

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were having to wait hours as well. I think it is the older people that

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I'm really concerned about, that they are being subject to this

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dreadful experience. Emily's grandad, in his case, the operation

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being cancelled, it turns out that there wasn't really a need to cancel

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it, but you wouldn't have known that unless your mother had stood her

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ground. Exactly, it was cancelled twice, and then cancelled again the

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following day, and my mum has been a manager elsewhere in the NHS, and

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she was able to kind of find out what the problem was and what was

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going on, and what she found was that it was a bed management issue,

:28:33.:28:37.

so while the front-line staff were brilliant, the senior managers in

:28:38.:28:42.

the background, essentially, weren't doing their job properly, and in our

:28:43.:28:45.

case we were able to resolve it, and my grandad was able to have is

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operation yesterday, and he has just got home, so he is doing really

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well! Your mum works for an NHS Trust, what does she say about

:28:56.:28:57.

morale amongst medical professionals? I think it is

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inevitable that it must be quite low, because they are facing these

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stresses, often on their own, because the managers above them who

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should be taking responsibility are not. Pip, hello, you have been on

:29:13.:29:19.

morphine for your pain for several months, and you still don't know

:29:20.:29:26.

what is causing it. No. Go on. I have an outside of the box illness,

:29:27.:29:32.

so yeah, quite difficult. No-one knows. Because I don't need

:29:33.:29:37.

emergency surgery, or it is not something serious that has been

:29:38.:29:41.

shown in my bloods, no-one really knows what to do with me. Clearly,

:29:42.:29:46.

that is a difficult issue, the medical professionals are doing

:29:47.:29:49.

their best to find out what is wrong - what is the issue for you with the

:29:50.:29:54.

NHS at the moment? I feel that they have treated my symptoms more than

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my cause, and just being active personally and stacked inside the

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house for seven months, in pain, like feeling sick, and also having

:30:07.:30:14.

to ring an ambulance because my pain hasn't been fully looked after. But

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would you be able to say that you think the staff are doing their best

:30:21.:30:24.

to help you out, to sort you out, to find out what the issue is? They

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have helped as best as they can, but when it comes to doctors talking to

:30:31.:30:34.

doctors, I've seen so many, some people have tried to be lovely, just

:30:35.:30:38.

didn't know what was wrong. Other people didn't even bother to talk to

:30:39.:30:42.

other doctors, and some people generally just didn't know what to

:30:43.:30:46.

do with me. And other people talked down to me like I was a two-year-old

:30:47.:30:55.

and thought I was lying about all this pain.

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There are thousands of staff with so many doing their absolute best

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comedy you have a solution? I do not hold hospitals responsible for this

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at all. The problem with social care is they couldn't free up beds

:31:16.:31:20.

because they can get people out of hospital because there was

:31:21.:31:24.

inadequate care in the community. The solution is to fund social care

:31:25.:31:30.

properly. The government notes what to do and they need to act now. --

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the government knows what to do and they need to act now.

:31:36.:31:45.

Let's get more from our health editor, Hugh Pym, and Norman Smith,

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This is a familiar story. The problem is, this is November. We get

:31:49.:31:56.

the figure is two months after the event. There were some figures

:31:57.:31:59.

leaked to the BBC a couple of days ago telling us how bad things were

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in the first week of January but official figures don't come out for

:32:04.:32:09.

a while. Back in November, even then there was an increasing number of

:32:10.:32:14.

people going to A 1.9 million people in November. An increase in

:32:15.:32:19.

the number of emergency admissions. There is this relentless increase in

:32:20.:32:23.

patient demand, all the key targets missed including the wait for cancer

:32:24.:32:31.

treatment, the delays generally for getting operations, and also the

:32:32.:32:36.

four hour wait at A 95% of patients should be seen or assessed

:32:37.:32:41.

within that for hours. That hasn't been met since July 20 15. It is one

:32:42.:32:46.

of the lowest on record. You've probably how that target compares

:32:47.:32:50.

with a year earlier. What about the others. Is it getting worse? These

:32:51.:32:56.

targets which NHS in England is supposed to meet have been missed

:32:57.:32:59.

consistently for several months now. It's part of an ongoing narrative,

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if you like. People have been warning about this for a while. The

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demand on the NHS has been rising more rapidly, year-on-year, than the

:33:10.:33:12.

money available. The government is right to say it's put in more money

:33:13.:33:16.

to the NHS, but if you've got a workload that's even better,

:33:17.:33:19.

something has to give. There have been warnings that what gives if

:33:20.:33:25.

there is no extra money is people have to wait longer for operations,

:33:26.:33:30.

you get more people stuck on trolleys in hospitals. And, as was

:33:31.:33:34.

identified in your discussion, social care is one of the big

:33:35.:33:38.

issues. If hospitals can't release people back into the community,

:33:39.:33:42.

elderly patients, that bed is occupied and not available to

:33:43.:33:44.

somebody coming in through the front door. There was a hospital leader

:33:45.:33:49.

Isil interviewed yesterday saying it is one in one out, every bed is

:33:50.:33:55.

occupied -- a hospital leader I interviewed yesterday. These figures

:33:56.:33:59.

we've just had show there was a really big increase year-on-year in

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the so-called delayed transfers of care in November, compared with the

:34:04.:34:08.

previous November. This is the big issue, how you can discharge people

:34:09.:34:11.

back into the community when in England social care has been cut in

:34:12.:34:17.

terms funding. Norman, how much pressure is the government and on

:34:18.:34:20.

the issue of the NHS in England right now? I don't think there's any

:34:21.:34:24.

doubt Mrs May is under real pressure. There's almost a sense at

:34:25.:34:28.

Westminster she's been blindsided and caught off-guard by the way this

:34:29.:34:32.

issue has blown up over recent weeks. Maybe she's just been focused

:34:33.:34:36.

on Brexit. There is another view that she doesn't quite get the NHS

:34:37.:34:41.

as an issue, not in the same way that David Cameron did. He famously

:34:42.:34:47.

said the three letters that mattered most to him were NHS. Now Theresa

:34:48.:34:53.

May is reeling from terrible stories about trolley waits, criticism and

:34:54.:34:58.

letters from medical professionals, the Royal colleges. We've got

:34:59.:35:01.

cross-party groups banding together to demand something is done about

:35:02.:35:06.

social care. We've had the Health Secretary floating possibly

:35:07.:35:14.

backtracking on the four hour target on A Now Mrs May seems to be

:35:15.:35:18.

involved in a public stand ups but with the man running the NHS, Simon

:35:19.:35:23.

Stephens. When, he has publicly clashed with Mrs May over how much

:35:24.:35:27.

cash he's getting. He's called for more action on social care,

:35:28.:35:31.

suggested using some of the pension perks like free bus passes to

:35:32.:35:36.

provide more money for social care. Yesterday he took a dig at Mrs May,

:35:37.:35:41.

saying, running the NHS isn't like running the criminal justice system.

:35:42.:35:46.

But its funding that is the real sharp end because the government

:35:47.:35:50.

have consistently said, we've given Mr Stevens more cash than he even

:35:51.:35:55.

asked for. Listen to Theresa May saying that.

:35:56.:35:59.

We asked the NHS themselves to come up with their five-year plan. We

:36:00.:36:04.

asked the NHS themselves to say what extra funding was needed to deliver

:36:05.:36:08.

on that. They came up with their five-year plan, led by Simon

:36:09.:36:14.

Stephens as chief executive. He said it was ?8 billion, we are giving ?10

:36:15.:36:21.

billion of extra funding to the NHS. Well, yesterday Mr Stevens in effect

:36:22.:36:25.

said, not true. You have not given me more money than I asked for. Have

:36:26.:36:31.

a listen. It's a matter of fact, it's not news, I've said it

:36:32.:36:34.

previously to the select committee back in October, that like every

:36:35.:36:40.

part of the public service, we got less than we asked for in that

:36:41.:36:46.

process. I think it would be stretching it to say the NHS has got

:36:47.:36:51.

more than it has asked for. This has all fuel suggestions of a rift

:36:52.:36:55.

emerging between a man running the NHS and Theresa May. We had the time

:36:56.:37:07.

day, Downing Street are saying they retain full confidence in Simon

:37:08.:37:11.

Stephens. If you look at other top officials who have clashed with Mrs

:37:12.:37:16.

May. Ivan Rogers, the man in Brussels who was supposed to be

:37:17.:37:19.

doing the negotiations to get us out of the EU, he walked the plank over

:37:20.:37:24.

Christmas after publicly accusing Mrs May and the government of

:37:25.:37:28.

muddled thinking of a Brexit. Then we have the governor of the Bank of

:37:29.:37:33.

England, Mark Carney, publicly very, very gloomy about what would happen

:37:34.:37:37.

after Brexit and the implications for the economy, enraging many of

:37:38.:37:44.

those in the Brexit campaign. Now, he is leaving his post two years

:37:45.:37:49.

earlier. Perhaps inevitably there are questions surrounding the future

:37:50.:37:53.

of Simon Stevens and whether he also might have to walk a plank. The one

:37:54.:37:58.

thing I think that might save him is, amidst all this pressure and

:37:59.:38:04.

outrage, just think, is the head of the NHS was to walk, how much more

:38:05.:38:09.

pressure Mrs May would be under. So perhaps the fact there is such a

:38:10.:38:15.

huge row at the moment means, maybe, Mr Stevens is untouchable. Thank

:38:16.:38:18.

you. This is an e-mail from a viewer, I

:38:19.:38:26.

disagree with increasing taxes to fund the NHS, however I would like

:38:27.:38:29.

to see at setting up a lottery to support it. I'm pretty sure British

:38:30.:38:33.

people would support this kind of lottery if they were sure all the

:38:34.:38:37.

cash would go to the organisation. Another view says, if I had to wait

:38:38.:38:41.

62 days the cancer I wouldn't bother, by then it would probably be

:38:42.:38:47.

too late. Another viewer, you can't take ?42 billion out of the NHS and

:38:48.:38:52.

expected to manage. Closing A puts pressure on everywhere else. If

:38:53.:38:57.

you have pertinent experience of the NHS then let me know. Still to come.

:38:58.:39:06.

The makers of Nutella fightback after claims that palm oil, one of

:39:07.:39:09.

its ingredients, could cause cancer. We'll speak to a cancer specialist

:39:10.:39:12.

and a nutritionist to ask them whether it should put us off

:39:13.:39:15.

buying the spread. Now a summary of the main

:39:16.:39:17.

stories this morning. Figures released in the past half

:39:18.:39:19.

hour show the continuing pressure Monthly performance data

:39:20.:39:22.

for November shows key targets These include the 62-day target

:39:23.:39:25.

for cancer treatment to start and the 18-week target

:39:26.:39:28.

for routine operations. The US Director of National

:39:29.:39:35.

Intelligence has rejected suggestions made by Donald Trump

:39:36.:39:37.

that official intelligence agencies leaked claims that Russia had

:39:38.:39:39.

compromising material on him. In a statement, James Clapper said

:39:40.:39:45.

he had called the President-elect to say the information had not come

:39:46.:39:47.

from the security services. More than 3,000 American troops,

:39:48.:39:50.

tanks, and armoured vehicles are arriving in Poland this morning

:39:51.:40:01.

- the United States' biggest military presence in the region

:40:02.:40:04.

since the Cold War. It's to support a Nato operation

:40:05.:40:12.

to deter any Russian aggression A woman has been jailed for 21 years

:40:13.:40:25.

for the murder of an elderly neighbour in Fife. She attacked Mary

:40:26.:40:30.

Logie with a rolling pin last January. Mrs Lodi suffered more than

:40:31.:40:35.

30 injuries to her head and neck. The High Court in Edinburgh heard

:40:36.:40:39.

that Sandra Weir had stolen thousands of pounds from her to fund

:40:40.:40:40.

a heroin addiction. A number of major retailers have

:40:41.:40:46.

published their sales figures for the Christmas

:40:47.:40:48.

period this morning. M reported a 2.3% rise in clothing

:40:49.:40:50.

sales in the 13 weeks Meanwhile, Tesco says its third

:40:51.:40:52.

quarter sales were up by 1.8%. And, John Lewis has reported a 2.7%

:40:53.:40:58.

rise in like-for-like sales over Southampton are a step

:40:59.:41:01.

closer to Wembley. They beat Liverpool 1-0

:41:02.:41:10.

in the first leg of the EFL Cup semi-final last night,

:41:11.:41:13.

Nathan Redmond with the goal. The return leg is at Anfield

:41:14.:41:15.

is in a fortnight's time. The England captain Alastair Cook

:41:16.:41:20.

will meet director of cricket Andrew Strauss on Friday

:41:21.:41:22.

to discuss his future, although no decision on his role

:41:23.:41:24.

as skipper is expected to be made. England lost their recent

:41:25.:41:27.

series against India 4-0. Andy Murray is in Melbourne,

:41:28.:41:31.

ahead of the Australian Open draw which takes place in the early hours

:41:32.:41:34.

of Friday morning. He'll be the number one seed at a

:41:35.:41:46.

grand slam for the first time in his career.

:41:47.:41:47.

Laura Robson and Tara Moore won't be in the draw -

:41:48.:41:50.

Dan Evans is through to a World Tour semi-final for the first

:41:51.:41:54.

The British number three beat top seed Dominic Thiem

:41:55.:41:57.

This comes ahead of the start of the Australian Open on Monday. Big hopes

:41:58.:42:11.

for a lot of British players in action. That is all the sport now,

:42:12.:42:15.

plenty more on the BBC News channel throughout the day.

:42:16.:42:19.

Coronation Street actor Simon Gregson has revealed that

:42:20.:42:21.

losing 11 babies with this wife influenced the storyline

:42:22.:42:23.

in which his on-screen partner suffered a miscarriage.

:42:24.:42:25.

Last night's episode saw harrowing scenes in which Michelle Connor,

:42:26.:42:27.

played by Kym Marsh, suffered a late miscarriage.

:42:28.:42:31.

Gregson, played by Steve McDonald, revealed the tragedy

:42:32.:42:33.

as Kym Marsh, said recreating the stillbirth

:42:34.:42:37.

was the best way to "honour" the baby she lost.

:42:38.:42:39.

When they ask me how many kids I've got, what do I say?

:42:40.:43:18.

Listen, you don't have to explain anything to anyone.

:43:19.:43:22.

But if I don't, it's like he never existed.

:43:23.:43:30.

Gregson is played by Steve McDonald, who yesterday hit out on Twitter

:43:31.:43:33.

at trolls who had tweeted his wife, Emma Gleave.

:43:34.:43:37.

He tweeted, "To the people who tweeted my wife.

:43:38.:43:39.

"We've lost 11 babies, first being 21 weeks and 4 days.

:43:40.:43:42.

"Maybe think or do your research before tweeting someone."

:43:43.:43:49.

In a moment, we'll be talking to Erica Stewart

:43:50.:43:51.

from the stillbirth and neonatal death charity Sands.

:43:52.:43:53.

But first we're going to show you a clip

:43:54.:43:56.

from an interview we did in October last year.

:43:57.:43:58.

22-year-old Jack Davis spoke to the programme about the ordeal

:43:59.:44:00.

of having to deal with the loss of two babies within 12 months.

:44:01.:44:03.

dealing with such a heartbreaking loss.

:44:04.:44:15.

In a tragedy like this, or even just a normal pregnancy,

:44:16.:44:18.

the main focus stereotypically is the one.

:44:19.:44:25.

the main focus stereotypically is the woman.

:44:26.:44:27.

Because she's delivered the baby, she's carried

:44:28.:44:29.

But I think people forget, in the background, there is a man

:44:30.:44:33.

There's a man there who's got to go through all of this as well.

:44:34.:44:37.

And it's not just the mother who's lost a child, it's the father who's

:44:38.:44:41.

I think there is a stigma surrounding men, that men have

:44:42.:44:45.

to just bottle things up and be a man about it.

:44:46.:44:47.

You know, "You'll get over it, you'll be fine, man up."

:44:48.:44:50.

You know, men hurt, men have feelings, men feel

:44:51.:44:54.

Except the physical side, maybe, of carrying a baby.

:44:55.:44:57.

But, yeah, I think it all got kind of pushed towards Leanne.

:44:58.:45:00.

I think I helped push it that way because I didn't want to talk,

:45:01.:45:03.

I didn't really want to face anybody and show it.

:45:04.:45:07.

I just wanted to get on with things and be that man,

:45:08.:45:10.

and be that stereotype and bottle it all up, until I realised

:45:11.:45:18.

Thank you for coming on the programme, you have worked closely

:45:19.:45:23.

with ITV on this particular storyline, what with the use that

:45:24.:45:29.

were raised? I think that, first of all, we were very pleased that

:45:30.:45:33.

Coronation Street came to us, because it showed that they realised

:45:34.:45:38.

the responsibility they had to portray this storyline very

:45:39.:45:40.

accurately. Looking at the scripts, it was just too ensured that the

:45:41.:45:47.

language that was used, you know, that it was portrayed sensitively. I

:45:48.:45:55.

mean, we just heard from Jack - it is... It is so distressing when your

:45:56.:46:05.

partner gives birth to a baby that is dead, or a baby that dies very

:46:06.:46:11.

shortly after birth, and the scenes in Coronation Street were also

:46:12.:46:15.

incredibly moving. How many people experience this? Well, it is 15

:46:16.:46:20.

babies dying every day in the UK, babies that died before, during or

:46:21.:46:26.

shortly after birth, so it is a lot, 15 families every day, and that has

:46:27.:46:30.

a wider impact on the families and friends as well. What are the

:46:31.:46:36.

reasons for still birth? Well, there is no definitive answer to that,

:46:37.:46:40.

really, which is why we launched our research fund last year, because in

:46:41.:46:47.

a lot of cases there is no known cause. Right. In terms of a couple

:46:48.:46:56.

coping with the bereavement, what advice do you give people? I think

:46:57.:47:00.

it is not necessarily advice, it is support. When a baby dies, you don't

:47:01.:47:05.

usually know anybody else that this has happened to, so that is where

:47:06.:47:11.

Sands comes in, because parents feel so isolated, so it is really

:47:12.:47:15.

acknowledging the huge impact that this has on parents and families,

:47:16.:47:20.

and of course it is something you don't get over - it is something

:47:21.:47:24.

parents and families learn to live with. And are you there to give

:47:25.:47:27.

advice and support to parents when they know that their child is going

:47:28.:47:33.

to be born dead? Yes. What advice do you give people? It is not

:47:34.:47:37.

necessarily advice, it is more support, so we have a booklet, when

:47:38.:47:43.

a baby dies before Labour begins, and this gets parents to think about

:47:44.:47:51.

the choices before their baby is born, creating memories, seeing and

:47:52.:47:56.

holding their baby, as we saw last night, taking photographs, hand and

:47:57.:47:59.

footprints. Because the only memories they are going to have is

:48:00.:48:03.

the memories that are created in hospital, so it is unique to any

:48:04.:48:07.

other type of bereavement. I think it is worth saying, because for most

:48:08.:48:12.

people it is unimaginable, but as the woman, giving birth to a dead

:48:13.:48:18.

baby, it is a normal labour that you have to go through. I don't think

:48:19.:48:22.

people realise, there is a lack of awareness in society that women do

:48:23.:48:27.

go through full labour and have to give birth. People think it is an

:48:28.:48:32.

early miscarriage, where maybe they think you have lost the baby down

:48:33.:48:36.

the toilet or something, but actually, as Michelle showed last

:48:37.:48:40.

night, women give birth, they go through full labour and have a

:48:41.:48:44.

choice to see and hold their baby and create memories. And what about

:48:45.:48:50.

decisions about how the child is buried? Again, parents can arrange

:48:51.:48:57.

their own funeral, or sometimes the hospital can take care of the

:48:58.:49:01.

funeral as well. So again it is a normal funeral, the normal

:49:02.:49:05.

arrangements that he would make for an adult. Simon Gregson revealed, as

:49:06.:49:09.

we said in the introduction, alert he and his wife have lost 11 babies,

:49:10.:49:15.

some miscarriages, some still birth - an extraordinarily large amount.

:49:16.:49:21.

It is huge, how they have coped I do not know, but we are there plans to

:49:22.:49:25.

support anybody affected by the death of a baby, and we have a

:49:26.:49:29.

helpline open throughout the storyline. Thank you for talking to

:49:30.:49:30.

us, Erica, from Sands. and could it increase the risk

:49:31.:49:37.

of you getting cancer? Well, a report by the European

:49:38.:49:41.

Food Standards Agency is warning that palm oil,

:49:42.:49:43.

a key ingredient in the popular brand, generates chemicals that

:49:44.:49:46.

are thought to cause cancer. has launched a campaign

:49:47.:49:49.

to re-assure the public about the safety of the much-loved

:49:50.:49:55.

hazelnut and chocolate spread. that the palm oil used

:49:56.:50:01.

in Nutella is safe, and "making Nutella without palm oil

:50:02.:50:05.

would be a step backward." But if experts think there might be

:50:06.:50:08.

a problem with palm oil, she's a nutritionist

:50:09.:50:11.

for the Sun newspaper And in Birmingham

:50:12.:50:19.

is Professor Nick James, a clinical consultant specialising

:50:20.:50:22.

in urological cancer. Welcome, both of you. First of all,

:50:23.:50:34.

if I could talk to you, Professor, what do you think of the dangers or

:50:35.:50:40.

otherwise of eating food or spread that may contain palm oil? It is

:50:41.:50:50.

quite a media stable, you know, that something causes cancer, and it may

:50:51.:50:53.

well be true, but if you expose cancer cells to enough of something

:50:54.:50:56.

for long enough, you can show effects that are concerning. I think

:50:57.:51:01.

the essential point is around dosage. We know, for example, with

:51:02.:51:05.

cigarette smoking, you have to smoke 20 day for 50 years in order to have

:51:06.:51:11.

the substantial increase of cancer. One or two a day would not produce

:51:12.:51:16.

much risk. The same applies to things like bacon, it is

:51:17.:51:20.

carcinogenic, but most people are not eating 20 rashers a day. Just go

:51:21.:51:24.

back to cigarettes, I haven't heard that before, that you say, sorry, go

:51:25.:51:31.

on. Your risk is related to the number of cigarettes you smoke. So

:51:32.:51:38.

you do not see cigarettes causing cancer within a year also of

:51:39.:51:43.

starting smoking, so the key point is it is not just around whether

:51:44.:51:47.

something is carcinogenic, it is how much you are exposed to it. So with

:51:48.:51:51.

something like Nutella, where you have a dollop on bread, even if you

:51:52.:51:57.

are really addicted, more than once a day, you're still not eating very

:51:58.:52:02.

much of it. So even if it is carcinogenic, it is not a high risk.

:52:03.:52:07.

But are you saying it is carcinogenic? I have no idea. I am

:52:08.:52:13.

not in a position to say that. The thing that doesn't get taken into

:52:14.:52:17.

account in these stories is the issue around dosage, how much you

:52:18.:52:24.

are exposed to in a normal diet, and the answer was almost certainly not

:52:25.:52:29.

very much. Bond taken, hazelnut and chocolate spread for breakfast, some

:52:30.:52:35.

kids and adults, not good, palm oil or not? That is the point, as a

:52:36.:52:40.

nutritionist, I come at it from the overall diets that we are eating, so

:52:41.:52:44.

something like Nutella or any of the other chocolate spread the market,

:52:45.:52:48.

the first ingredient is sugar. So that is in the spotlight at the

:52:49.:52:53.

moment, so if you are having a tablespoon of Nutella, that is two

:52:54.:52:58.

teaspoons of sugar, so that is one reason, as a nutritionist, we would

:52:59.:53:02.

say, try not to have it too often, in spite of any palm oil issues as

:53:03.:53:07.

well. The reason we have these other products here is because they also

:53:08.:53:12.

have palm oil. The problem with the palm oil that the European Food

:53:13.:53:15.

Standards Agency has highlighted is when it is heated to beyond 200

:53:16.:53:20.

degrees, that is the crucial thing, and they say that is when the

:53:21.:53:23.

carcinogenic is formed, and obviously the professor has a good

:53:24.:53:28.

point. And we wouldn't know, whether it has been heated. The point is,

:53:29.:53:38.

these foods that, as dieticians nutritionists, go steady on them

:53:39.:53:40.

anyway. It is kind of a story, obviously, we need to know about

:53:41.:53:43.

this as members of the public, but these are foods that do not appear

:53:44.:53:47.

in the eat well guide. We have a plate which the Department of Health

:53:48.:53:51.

has created to guide us towards healthy eating, and these foods are

:53:52.:53:54.

outside of the health. We have fruit and veg, protein, starchy

:53:55.:53:59.

carbohydrates, and these things are outside the plate, to be had in

:54:00.:54:04.

strict moderation. So it is very much about quantity that you eat

:54:05.:54:08.

which is very important. We hear you talk about quantity, both of you. Do

:54:09.:54:14.

you think parents should, for whatever reason, stop buying

:54:15.:54:19.

chocolate spread for their children? That is a difficult one, you have

:54:20.:54:23.

got to have the ability of people to make a choice over this, so you

:54:24.:54:26.

might prefer to give your children chocolate spread as opposed to

:54:27.:54:30.

biscuits. On the breakfast table, you would not give your kid a bar of

:54:31.:54:34.

chocolate, would you? So giving them, you know, a thing of chocolate

:54:35.:54:41.

spread... It is a difficult one, because I would appeared to be

:54:42.:54:44.

dictating to people where they spend their sugar and fat allowance, and I

:54:45.:54:48.

think it has to be personal choice. Would I have chocolate spread on the

:54:49.:54:52.

table every morning? Probably not, because once my children start

:54:53.:54:56.

eating it, they can't stop, then you have a battle royal on your hands.

:54:57.:55:00.

So it has to be down to the individual. Professor, it is really

:55:01.:55:04.

interesting, showing our audience the other products which contain

:55:05.:55:10.

palm oil - margarine, a pot noodle, digestives, Bakewell slices, dairy

:55:11.:55:23.

milk. The point is very well made, you do not want to eat too much of

:55:24.:55:30.

any of those. So it is all about having a balanced diet, a mix of

:55:31.:55:34.

nutrients, and I don't think it is wrong to have the odd treat, but if

:55:35.:55:39.

it is a big component of your diet, it is going to be doing you much

:55:40.:55:42.

more harm in other ways, the quantity of sugar and calories, much

:55:43.:55:47.

more quickly than a long-term risk which may or may not be there of

:55:48.:55:53.

carcinogenesis. We do not know what process has gone into making this

:55:54.:55:58.

stuff. Amanda, in terms of the calories and sugar content generally

:55:59.:56:02.

in those products, what would you say about them? Keep them for treat

:56:03.:56:08.

times, but irregularly part of your diet, sorry to be boring, same old

:56:09.:56:13.

mantra! Thank you very much, Amanda, thanks for coming on the programme,

:56:14.:56:17.

we really appreciate your time, Professor. OK. Thank you, bye-bye.

:56:18.:56:25.

In case you hadn't heard, there is snow on the way, thundersnow, and

:56:26.:56:29.

meteorologists are predicting this rare occurrence in some parts of

:56:30.:56:33.

Wales today. Have you ever seen it? What is it? Nick Miller explains.

:56:34.:56:41.

Snow is one thing. Thundersnow is another. Unusual but some of us have

:56:42.:56:47.

observed it recently, and there may be more to come, with the weather

:56:48.:56:53.

said up as it is, plenty of cold air across the UK, and we are seeing

:56:54.:56:57.

snow showers coming our way. If there is enough energy, you get a

:56:58.:57:01.

thunderstorm, but it is winter, and instead of rain, you get

:57:02.:57:05.

thundersnow. There is not a huge amount of difference between the

:57:06.:57:08.

mechanics of a winter thunderstorm compared with a summer thunderstorm,

:57:09.:57:13.

lots of air rising quickly to produce big clouds, and within that

:57:14.:57:17.

cloud ice crystals interact with each other, producing a build-up of

:57:18.:57:21.

static electricity, and the bigger the build-up, the more likely you

:57:22.:57:26.

will get a discharge in the form of a lightning strike. But there are

:57:27.:57:30.

some differences in winter - first of all, the lightning at night may

:57:31.:57:34.

well appear brighter because it is reflected by snowflakes. But the

:57:35.:57:38.

snowflakes may muffle the sound of the thunder. You are not likely to

:57:39.:57:42.

hear thunder as far away from a winter thunderstorm as you are from

:57:43.:57:46.

a summer thunderstorm. So unusual, not unheard of, look out, this note,

:57:47.:57:51.

you may be lucky to encounter thundersnow.

:57:52.:57:57.

Look out, stay tuned to the BBC Weather forecasts through the day.

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allegations and says, I have no clue why an MI6 business getting

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involved. Cameron says, if the details were not verifiable,

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BuzzFeed does not have a right to publish this kind of material. And

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let me find this one, I can't find my comments on motel, just as well,

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because we have reached the end of the programme! Thank you very much

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to burst, and it'll kill him. It'd be good to

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get it over and done with

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