18/01/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello. It's Wednesday.

It's 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

Boris Johnson says countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade

deals with Britain when it leaves the EU.

The Foreign Secretary's optimistic assessment comes as EU leaders

prepare to give their verdicts on Theresa May's Brexit speech.

We have an exclusive report from a rescue ship

in the Mediterranean where thousands of migrants risk their

We're going to come to you. Stay where you are. We're going to come

to you. Will tougher sentences

for people caught fighting One undercover investigator tells us

how the widespread the practice Hello.

Welcome to the programme. Are you getting a poor deal

from your mobile phone provider? It comes as EE is fined

for overcharging tens of thousands of customers

who called its customer We'll have more details

on that shortly. Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

and if you text, you will be charged The Foreign Secretary has said

countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade deals with Britain

when it leaves the European Union. Boris Johnson also suggests that

agreements could be achieved quickly after the Article 50 negotiations

are concluded, and said the UK would not be "hauling

up the drawbridge", despite the new migration controls

promised by Theresa May. Our political correspondent

Tom Bateman has more. Theresa May's Brexit speech brought

the most clarity yet on her approach She told ministers and European

diplomats she wanted ambitious trade deals with the rest of the EU,

but she confirmed Britain would leave the union's

formal free- rade area. What I am proposing cannot mean

membership of the single market. The UK would have control

of immigration policy, she said. And, in an unexpected move,

the Prime Minister revealed she would be prepared to walk away

from the talks if the deal The Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, writes this morning that countries are queuing up to do

trade deals with Britain. Today, attention turns

to the response from The head of the European Commission,

Jean-Claude Juncker, Some in the European

Parliament believe Mrs May's An illusion that you can go out

of the single market, that you can go out off the customs

union, and that you can cherry-pick, and you can have still

a number of advantages. The Prime Minister will face MPs

later with some opponents saying her plan risks

an economic catastrophe. She has called for

unity over Brexit. So far, at least, that

seems some way off. Let's get more from our

political guru Norman Smith. What if she doesn't get a deal?

Well, ministers are just refuse to go counsel ten nans that

possibility. I have been struck at the confidence frankly oozing from

them despite the fact that Mrs May yesterday massively ratcheted up the

stakes saying we want a deal in two years and we want a special deal

that gives us everything that we want in terms of trade and in terms

of the single market and the customs union and by the way, if you don't

give us what we want, we're going to walk away. They say, they have been

encouraged by the reaction from other EU leaders and it will be

interesting to see when we hear from the president of the European

Commission later who is talking to the European Parliament, you know,

whether they're justified in thinking that Mrs May's message has

gone Down OK with the rest of Europe. They have been buoyed by the

reaction at home. The Telegraph, "May's bold terms for Brexit." The

Daily Mail, it is like a comic book strip of Mrs May as a sort of latter

day Mrs T! Certainly listening to David Davis, the Brexit Secretary

this morning, he was saying what could go wrong? He said what could

go wrong? A deal which is in the interests of both Britain and the

European Union that seeks to preserve the best of what we have

whilst giving us the freedom to trade globally and a deal which, a

proposal, for a deal which will get hopefully the whole country behind

it. Those who voted leave and those who voted remain because it is in

the interests of the whole country. That's the aim. We're not seeking a

fight. We're seeking to get a good deal which serves everybody. That's

the most important thing to have in the front of your mind. Of course,

quite a lot could go wrong, not least if Mrs May doesn't get the

deal she wants then we pretty much just fall out of the EU and have to

revert what are known as World Trade Organisation rules which means

tariffs, which means more expensive goods which is a significant blow

for British business. So the stakes are absolutely colossal and no

wonder that ministers are hoping it will turn out OK because if it

doesn't, the potential ramifications for this country are colossal.

Mobile operator EE has been fined ?2.7 million for overcharging tens

More than 30,000 customers have been affected,

overcharged by a quarter of a million pounds.

The regulator has explained why they've taken action.

Well, we think this is a significant fine and fines

Well, we think this is a significant fine and fines are a good

They don't like to be on the receiving end of fines

Well, we think this is a significant fine and fines are a good

like this, but I think what really matters to consumers is that,

companies get the services they provide and our bills right

first time and that's why we hope that this fine today

sends a clear message, not just to EE, but right

across the industry that we won't hesitate to help in and levy fines

if they get that wrong for customers.

Rachel Horne is here. EE were going to give the money to charity, but

until Ofcom stepped in and said hang on a minute, EE were saying it was

too difficult to trace them. Ofcom forced them to trace the customers.

They have reimbursed up to ?200,000. There is ?60,000. EE have given the

money to charity, but Ofcom said you must still try and find the

customers. Ofcom are starting to flex their muscles. You might

remember back in October we had a big fine for TalkTalk. It was

?400,000, but that was to do with cyber security, rather than customer

relations. Vodafone were hit with a fine of over ?4 million, part of

that was handling customer complaints. Ofcom are taking a

stance and saying, look, you need to treat your customers properly, if

you don't, we will wade in and we will take action. I spoke to Ofcom

earlier and they said it is time the customers or the companies start

treating customers properly and if they don't there will be

consequences. Joanna is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary President Obama has cut

the sentence of Chelsea Manning, who was jailed for 35 years

for leaking intelligence secrets. The former military analyst,

who was born Bradley Manning but had hormone therapy in prison,

will be released in May. Our correspondent in Washington

Rajini Vaidyanathan has more. Chelsea Manning was responsible

for one of the largest leaks of government secrets

in American history. Born Bradley Manning,

it was while serving in Iraq that the low-ranking private hacked

government databases, handing more than 700,000

classified documents to Julian Assange's

WikiLeaks organisation. Manning's supporters have campaigned

for years for her release. They maintain she's

a whistleblower, not a traitor. The reduction of Chelsea Manning's

sentence means she's only served three years out of a 35-year term

she was handed in 2013. During the trial, Manning's lawyers

said their client struggled Soon after, it was announced that

Bradley would be known as Chelsea She's being held at a male prison,

and tried to take her I'd say 12 to 16 months,

her mental state and her condition She became depressed

and there was clearly a real risk to her wellbeing,

if not her life, if she had Julian Assange thanked

those who campaigned for Chelsea's release,

and Edward Snowden, who also leaked government secrets,

tweeted his thanks to President But the Republican speaker

of the House, Paul Ryan, said President Obama's decision

to cut short Chelsea Manning's sentence was outrageous and sent

a message that those who compromise national security won't be held

accountable for their crimes. One of President Obama's final acts

in office will please A baby has been born

to a previously infertile couple in Ukraine using a new type

of "three-person IVF". Doctors in Kiev are reported to have

used a method called pro-nuclear It is not the first baby born with

DNA from three parents, however. Another child was created

using a slightly different method Leaders of the train drivers union,

Aslef, are meeting Southern Rail bosses this morning in a new attempt

to resolve their long Next week's three-day strike

by drivers on Southern Rail has been The union is in dispute

with Southern's parent company GTR over the role of conductors

on driver-only operated trains, amounting to Britain's worst rail

strikes in 20 years. Thomas Cook is preparing to bring

thousands of British holiday-makers home from Gambia

because of a worsening The Foreign Office is advising

people to avoid all but essential travel to the country,

after its president refused to step down and declared

a state of emergency. Thomas Cook said it was implementing

contingency plans to bring home all its UK customers on additional

flights over the next 48 hours. The Supreme Court is ruling today

on whether disabled travellers are legally entitled to priority use

of wheelchair spaces on buses even when there are babies

in buggies on board. The case was triggered

when wheelchair user Doug Paulley attempted to board a bus

but was unable to when a woman First Group says its current

policy of "requesting, not requiring" other passengers

to move is the most feasible solution, but Mr Paulley insists

it's discriminatory. Harry got this touch. He says I have

the privilege of knowing Mr Paulley. If the bus company had put 10% of

Doug's effort into disability awareness training then we wouldn't

be where we are today. We are expecting the court judgement from

the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, any time around

tennish. Angela says, "I have seen parents abuse bus drivers if they

can't get their buggy on the bus which is out of order. Disabled

people should get priority in the same way older/disabled people get

priority to use the front seats of the bus. I hope the gentleman wins

his case and disabled people get priority over parents." Your views

are welcome. Particularly if you use a wheelchair, what is the access

like if you're using a bus? Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning. use the hashtag #VictoriaLive,

and if you text, you'll be charged Dan Evans is on court. He is facing

Marin Cilic. He was the US Open champion in 2014. Evans wasn't

really enjoying himself in the first set at all. He was broken in his

very first service game. Always going to be an uphill struggle. We

saw him throw his racket and shake his head. The first set, he lost

that 3-6 in over half an hour. We're into the second set now and Evans is

making a much bigger fight of this match. It is always going to be an

uphill struggle when you lose the first set, but in the second set we

have just seen Evans go 6-5 up. He has got set-point I'm being told. So

the second set could go that way. If that's 1-1, Evans could make a match

of this and make his way to the third round. Just to tell you as

well, there has been some other big hitters on court and overnight.

Roger Federer, he is safely through to the next round as is Stan

Wawrinka. For British tennis fans, Andy Murray, sorry, Andy Murray will

be on court later this morning. That will be live on Five Live sports

extra. Dan Evans has just won that second set. So it is now 1-1. He won

that 7-5. So got a match on our hands here, I think, Victoria.

Some shocks last night in the FA Cup.

What would you pluck out? Lincoln City. We talk every year about the

magic of the Cup. There was some real wizardry served upment Lincoln

59 places below Ipswich and they came through in injury time to win

that 1-0. On the whole I thought Lincoln deserving. Look how composed

Nathan Arnold was to grab the goal in injury time around the goalkeeper

and the fans and the team were just in complete pandemonium. Look how

much it meant to the players and all the staff. This is the first time

Lincoln City reached the fourth round of the FA Cup in 41 years. The

last person to take them there was Graham Taylor who passed away

recently. It now sets up a brilliant tie for them at home to Brighton.

But not to be outdone, Victoria Sutton United, another non-league

side, they are through. They beat AFA Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon two

leagues above them. To give you a sense of the gulf in quality, well

apparent quality between the two sides, Sutton are a team that rely

on volunteers to stay afloat and they have got a tie against Leeds,

championship side, at home and such was the manager's delight at his

team winning, he opened up the bar at home and invited all the fans

back for a celebratory drink. As you do!

We have the latest on the police chiefs Council talking about the

number of victims of abuse in football. 526 victims have come

forward, 124 potential suspects have been identified. 248 football clubs

have been impacted. This does not equate to 248 clubs under

investigation, they want to make clear, but instead refers to the

number of clubs referenced. So, Operation Hydrant, the investigation

into historical child sexual abuse in football, the number of victims

potentially at the moment stands at 526, 184 suspects identified, 248

clubs referenced. Rough seas, winter storms and long,

dark nights make this time of year the most dangerous for migrants

attempting to reach But many people are still

attempting the journey - often in small dinghies -

with more than 1000 arriving in Europe in

the first two weeks of 2017. Many of those were rescued

on their journeys, but last week 100 people drowned after their boat sank

off the coast of Libya. people crossing last year

compared to the year before, it was the deadliest so far,

with 5000 perishing at sea. Alva White, who worked

as a producer at the BBC before going on a secondment to MSF,

filmed her experience for us This is where I have

lived for the last four And I wanted to show you what is

outside my porthole window. This is the night sea

and the night sky. That is what it must look

like for the people getting into these unseaworthy,

dangerous boats, crammed full It's not just them

getting into them, but they take their children,

their babies, their families. Women in the last stages

of pregnancy, injured No one makes this decision

easily, no one would put and they must be extremely terrified

and extremely desperate. It's now about eight

o'clock in the evening. 36 hours ago we set off from Sicily,

and we are now about between 30 and 35 nautical miles

from the Libyan coast. We position ourselves either

to the east or the west of Tripoli in international waters,

and we patrol the area ready to respond to a boat

in distress that need rescuing. My name is Alexander,

I am from Belarus. I work as a captain

on board Aquarius. Let's call Aquarius is a small

floating hotel and I will be Maybe it is not a 5-star,

but we will try to keep We are on high alert for a rescue

and that means we always sleep with our radios and food volume

right by our head. Stay where you are, we're

I think you can see just behind me, this is the second

We are trying to give them a message is, keep everyone can.

We can hear them from deck, we can hear people shouting and crying.

When they pull up close to the deck you can see inside the boat,

you see all these little faces and eyes looking up at you.

I need to go now and help in the shelter.

Today we saved two rubber boats with more or less

a total of 250 people, among them 40 women,

When you see them and you tell yourself they are taking this

journey, it is already super dangerous and you know

they are also pregnant, all he can say to yourself

is that they had no choice, otherwise they would not be here.

Of course I feel emotional, but when I'm on the boat I try

not to get emotional, because I am here to make

them trust me, I am here to make them feel safe.

There is one young boy I have spoken to, he is 14 years

old and he is from the Ivory Coast and his father died when he was ten

He was living with his grandma, and his father had a business

associate from Libya the kidnapped him from Ivory

Coast and took to live with them in Libya and essentially forced him

to work in his house, abused him physically,

he beat him, he burned him, he has got signs of physical abuse.

He managed to escape, he ran down to the beach,

he said it took four or five hours to make it down to the beach,

he found a group of people waiting to get onto a rubber boat

and he begged them if he could come with them and they said yes,

come with us and he got onto the rubber boat and we rescued

I said, it's not your fault, all this stuff that happened,

His eyes were tearing, he couldn't look me in the face, he was shaking.

I don't know what will happen to him next.

He can't read or write, he hasn't been to school

for the last five years, he's 14, he speaks a bit of French,

he doesn't speak Italian, he doesn't speak English.

I don't know what will happen to him and he is one of many young,

It's about half 11 at night, everyone is asleep apart

from a few children in the shelter that are wide awake and full

I hate seeing them on the metal floor of the deck with blankets.

It's not the most comfortable, but at least they're safe

and they're dry, though it is pretty windy and pretty

rocky out there tonight, but they are really conked out.

It is probably the first good night's sleep they've

A number of them have told us about terrible times in Libya,

beatings, being kept in a pit before they got in the boat, extortion,

We do a night watch schedule, I'm not on until the early morning,

so I'm going to take advantage and get a full night's sleep.

At seven o'clock this morning we had a baby boy born

I was woken just before half past six.

I saw her first at 6.30 and the baby was born at seven o'clock.

Everything was very normal and everyone is very happy about that.

I called him Newman because he is a new man to me,

he is a new man to God and he is a very lucky boy.

For me, when I look at the sea now, I don't look

For me, when I look at it now, I think about all those

that we didn't rescue, all those that didn't survive.

When you rescue people and you bring people on and you meet them

and you get to know them and you help them, to think of those

I want to say to the small Newman, welcome.

I'm not really a crier, but for some reason,

whenever they leave I always had to run into my cabin and take

One guy is pretty streetwise, he has obviously been

on his own for a while, he is ten.

But you could see in his eyes, he was looking at us for some

If you want share that film, you can head to our programme

Nearly 5,000 calls about organised dog fighting

in England and Wales have been made to the RSPCA in the past ten years.

Campaigners are now calling for longer punishments

We'll speak to the owner of a dog who was rescued

We'll introduce you to Ruby, too, the dog who was rescued,

as well as an undercover investigator.

British tour operator Thomas Cook has started to evacuate about 1,000

tourists out of the Gambia, where President Yahya Jammeh

is refusing to step down and has declared a state of emergency.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Figures relating to allegations of historical child sexual abuse

The indicative number of victims now stands at 526.

Jim Reed will have more later this hour.

Unemployment fell by 52,000 to 1.6 million in the three months to

November. The Foreign Secretary has said

countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade deals with Britain

when it leaves the European Union Boris Johnson also suggests that

agreements could be achieved quickly after the Article 50

negotiations are concluded. Mr Johnson is currently on a visit

to India and praised I think that the Prime Minister set

out a very powerful, a very positive vision yesterday

for how we can do a deal, that will not just benefit our friends

in the rest of the EU, but also drive growth in the rest

of the world and one of the points I will be making here in India

is that we think we can do free trade deals which will be

for the benefit of both our countries, both Britain

and India as well. Mobile operator EE has been fined

?2.7 million for overcharging tens The penalty, imposed

by telecoms regulator Ofcom, after an investigation found

that the UK's biggest mobile network broke a billing

rule on two occasions, overcharging customers

using the 150 customer services number within the EU

and billing them even EE has apologised and says it has

put measures in place to prevent Thomas Cook is preparing to bring

thousands of British holiday-akers home from Gambia

because of a worsening The Foreign Office is advising

people to avoid all but essential travel to the country,

after its President refused to step down and declared

a state of emergency. Thomas Cook said it was implementing

contingency plans to bring home all its UK customers on additional

flights over the next 48 hours. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Dan Evans is up against seventh seed

Marin Cilic in the 2nd Evans lost the first set 3-6,

but managed to fightback He's going with serve in the third

set. Non-league Lincoln City beat

Championship side Ipswich Town 1-0 last night in their third round FA

Cup replay. It's the first time they've got this

far since the late Graham Taylor Another non-league side,

Sutton United, also made it through. They beat League One AFC Wimbledon

3-1 in their replay. They're now at home to Leeds

in the fourth round. Manchester City midfielder

Yaya Toure has turned down ?430,000 It's the second time a club

in the Chinese Super League has tried to tempt him away

from the Premier League. England women head coach

Simon Middleton has included four new faces in his 33-player squad

for the Six Nations. England host defending

champions France in their That's all the sport for now. I will

have more just after 10am. A wheelchair user who has taken

a disability discrimination case to the Supreme Court

is about to find out if he has won. It's the first case of its kind

to be taken to such a high level. Doug Paulley wasn't able to get

on a FirstGroup bus in Wetherby because a mum refused

to move her child's buggy out Clive Coleman is outside the Supreme

Court. Fill us in on the detail. This is a story basically about a

man who tried to get on a bus in a wheelchair, the one dedicated

wheelchair space was occupied by a woman with a buggy and she refused

to move and it has come to this the Supreme Courtment the reason it has,

is that it is effectively testing the policy that was operated by the

bus operator First Group whereby its drivers were told that they had to

request, but not require someone, a non-wheelchair user to move from the

wheelchair space. Initially Doug Paulley sued and he won a ruling

that that policy, amounted to unlawful disability discrimination.

The case went to the Court of Appeal. They reversed that decision

and now it has come to the highest court in the land and the reason it

is so significant Victoria is the implications for service providers

whether it is train companies, supermarkets, who have disabled

spaces in their car parks, or disabled toilets on trabs, that kind

of thing, will be watching very carefully to see just how far they

have to go to ensure that wheelchair users get to use those separately

dedicated spaces. So it is a really significant case as far as service

providers are concerned and a significant case for Doug Paulley

who has been fighting this battle since 2012. He'll financed out today

if he has won. In the next hour, do you reckon? What are the timings, or

don't we know? 9.45am for the judgement. So within the next ten

minutes. We will be back with Clive live outside the Supreme Court as

soon as the judgement is delivered. There have been almost 5,000 calls

to the RSPCA reporting dog fighting But figures released to BBC

South East show over the same period of time only 137 people

were prosecuted by the charity for We're about to show

you two short clips given You might find them

distressing so I wanted to let We have an acting chief inspector

right here. What breeds of dogs are they? Those dogs on there, are pit

bull, terrier cross type dogs. OK. Jane is here. We're going to talk to

Steve Duncan with his dog Ruby who was rescued from a dogfight trainer.

And David as well, who is an undercover investigator with the

League Against Cruel Sports and because of his work, we aren't

identifying him. Tell us about the state Ruby was in

when she was rescued. She was in a dreadful state. Most of these bait

dogs don't make it through, 99 out of 100 die from their injuries, but

she was in a terrible, terrible state. Most of her fur was missing.

Her back tendon was bitten through. Half her tail was chewed through.

Just dreadful, dreadful. Fortunately the UK German shepherd rescue

managed to rescue her and it has been a long haul, but we've got her

back to the sort of condition she is in today. Yes, what about, I mean,

physical injuries, she has recovered thank goodness, do you see any other

impact though? Well, psychologically, she is very sort

of, well you wouldn't know it at the moment, but she is very sort of

low-key and there is a way to go yet, with you she is getting there,

it has been a few years, but we're going in the right direction. She is

stunning. Jane, can you describe what happens in a dogfight? It is

one of the most barbaric forms of animal cruelty to be honest. It

generally involves an organisation behind it. It's a meeting where two

dogs are brought together for the purpose of fighting. Are they

trained to fight? How do the organisers get them to fight?

Unfortunately the animals are, you know, trained to fight. They are put

through quite an intensive training regime that involves running on

treadmills, sometimes steroids are given and these animals are in the

peak of physical fitness when they are put into the ring to fight. And

the purpose is for people to bet on which dog will win? In some

instances, yes, a lot of money can change hands in these fights. Is it

true that domestic dogs are stolen to act as bait sometimes? Tell he

what goes on there? There is a belief that this is taking place. A

belief? We don't know for sure. It is difficult to prove 100%, but

certainly there have been instances and with kittens also that animals

have been found with marks on them, dye, some indication that they may

have been used as bait animals in fights, but it is very difficult

to... What do you mean? There is two dogs, they chuck a kitten or a

smaller dog and the two fight over that creature? When they're

preparing an animal for fight, to fight, and it is during that

training process, in order to prove the instinct that animal is game and

is willing to fight, they start to practise on various things as they

go through the training process. Oh goodness me. David, tell our

audience a little bit about the work that you're involved with. Well, the

League Against Cruel Sports aims to try and prevent dogfighting. I think

once we get to any dogfighting prosecutions we've failed anyway. We

need to try and prevent it and to be able to prevent it, we need to

understand how it operates and then we need to work with partners and we

need to engage with others to try and find ways to educate those that

want to be involved in dogfighting, but also finding ways to be able to

work as partners together to be able to prevent it and stop it happening

in the first place. But your work undercover then, what does that

involve? Well, traditionally undercover work was in the field,

but as we move into 21st century it has changed a lot more to being

online undercover work. So dogfighters have to communicate with

each other. So a lot of the undercover work is assessing the

language that they're communicating with online and being able to

understand what they're talking about and predicting when things are

going to happen and understanding how they're going to operate. What

do you with that information, if you knew they were arranging a dogfight,

what do you do with the info? The information would go to the police

who would go to the RSPCA if we knew a dogfight was about to happen. The

RSPCA tends to take the lead. We would be pushing for the police to

take more of a lead. We realise it is to the one of their

responsibilities at the moment, but we would push for the police to take

a lead to deal with an impending dogfight, but more importantly, we

would understand more of how it operates and it is only when you

pool all that information together can you start making strategic

decisions on how to tackle dogfighting. OK, Jane, the maximum

prison sentence for being involved or organising or attending a

dogfight like the ones we've shown to our audience, five months in

Northern Ireland and six months in England and Wales. That was the

maximum sentence imposed under that piece of legislation. So

unfortunately, whilst, you know, we sympathize with member of the

public's opinion when they hear the maximum sentence is six months, that

is the maximum that can be imposed by magistrates. Is it deterring

anybody? Is it useless in England and Wales? To be honest with you, if

you're operating at the lel that some of these organised gangs are,

it is an occupational hazard that they will take a six month prison

sentence on the chin. And clearly, that's the maximum and sentences are

reduced anyway once they enter the prison system. We would certainly

like to see things brought in line with Northern Ireland.

Is that likely to happen? I think we need do do a lot more lobbying on

that fact. OK, we appreciate your time. David, thaup for your time,

undercover investigator with the League Against Cruel Sports. Steve,

the future for you and Ruby? The future looks fantastic. As I say,

she is fantastic with other dogs, with people, she goes to rescue

events where she is basically a bit of a star. It's good, but

unfortunately, for every Ruby, there is hundreds of other dogs that are

not so lucky. And I think really what I would like to say is when

people need to re-home their dogs for whatever reason, avoid the free

to a good home route. Or that sort of thing. Go to a rescue. Speak to

them. They'll point you in the right direction even if they can't take

your dog, they will point you in the right direction. They are good

people and I think if the public are educated to what's going on, they're

going to be a lot wiser to this terrible, terrible, terrible,

so-called sport. Thank you very much. Thank you, Steve. And Ruby. I

really appreciate your time. Thank you.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs told us:

"Anyone who is cruel to an animal or does not provide for its welfare

needs may be banned from owning animals, given an unlimited

Coming up: We'll be finding out how thousands of grandparents could be

missing out on a special government scheme designed to reimburse

to reimburse them for looking after their grandchildren.

Thomas Cook chartered planes are heading to The Gambia

to bring home nearly 1,000 British holiday-makers.

It's because of the worsening political crisis.

The Foreign Office is now advising against all but essential travel

to the west African country - where President Yahya Jammeh

is refusing to accept defeat in last month's election.

Our correspondent, Thomas Fessy, has been monitoring the situation

There is a risk of unrest, hence foreigners brought home? Yes,

exactly. There is a risk of an intervention as West African States

have warned Mr Jammeh that if he refused to step down by tomorrow,

today being the end of his term, they would intervene militarily and

confront his army if it was to back him by tomorrow. Tomorrow is the day

when his opponent and President-elect is supposed to be

sworn in, but in a spectacular U-turn after he admitted defeat

after last month's election, Mr Jammeh suddenly said that he

rejected the result of the election, and that the vote should be rerun,

and so now we are into this political deadlock that risks

spiralling into potential violence in the Gambia, so tour operators are

now saying they will evacuate all the tourists and bring them back

home. And after the state of emergency, then what? So, President

Jammeh is saying that the election challenge that he lodged with the

Supreme Court should be heard. The problem is there is a lack of judges

at the Supreme Court, and they have hired foreign judges to help them.

These judges are not available before me, so the Supreme Court

cannot hear the case before the month of May, so President Jammeh is

saying, I should stay in power until the court is able to hear the case

and we can understand what is going on with the election results. But

obviously foreign powers, the international community and

President-elect Adama Barrow are saying that there is no way

President Jammeh should stay in power until then, he should step

down and Adama Barrow should be sworn into office, and the court

case may be heard later on. Thank you very much.

Let's bring you more now on those new figures relating to allegations

of non-recent child sexual abuse in football.

The number of suspects in the UK-wide

scandal has reached 184, according to the National

The latest update, the numbers are over 1000. Yes, the numbers are

going up and up. This refers to operation hydrant, the investigation

into historical abuse in football. The number of potential victims

identified is up by 100, more people still coming forward. It also looks

like there has been a sharp rise in the number of clubs involved, going

up from 148 in December to 248 in just a month, and you imagine that

that is because some of these cases tend to involve multiple clubs, so

it might be one accusation of abuse, but further investigation reveals

more clubs involved. And in terms of what the police are doing to try to

get the bottom of so many allegations, how are they doing

this? It is interesting when you look at the statistics. Most men,

97% of men, from four to 20-year-old, across all tiers of

sport, so this is grassroots right up to some Premier League clubs

involved. The vast majority do involve football, but there have

been 22 referrals involving other sports, rugby, gymnastics, martial

arts, swimming, even golf, so this is across the board. The police say

they are seen a decrease in the number of people coming forward to

the dedicated NSPCC FA helpline, but instead people seem to be contacting

their local police force to recollect and coming forward that

way, so the general message is, whatever way you want to come

forward, you either dial 101, your local police force, or this

dedicated helpline, which is on the screen.

Thank you very much. We are waiting for a judgment from

the Supreme Court brought by a man called Doug Paulley who couldn't get

onto a bus he wanted to get onto, so decided to take it through the legal

process to argue that it was discriminatory. A mum wouldn't move

her pushchair. One comment says, the trouble with modern pushchairs as

they are not designed to fold flat. Bryony says, wheelchair users should

get priority. Any parent can collapse a pushchair and put it in

the luggage hold. If more people realised they could be disabled

tomorrow, there would be more facilities. Not all parents should

be tarred with the same brush. Daisy says, people should move the pram

for someone any wheelchair, a baby could go on your lap, you can't get

of wheelchair. Rebecca says London buses are a nightmare for access for

either wheelchairs or pushchairs. Michaels is the overwhelming

majority of people are respectful, civil and helpful, but there are

those who are obstructive, and even abusive, towards those who wish to

use accessible, disabled or blue badge parking facilities. As I said,

as soon as we get the ruling, we will bring it to you straightaway.

Thank you for your own experiences, they are really helpful in terms of

informing... I'm just hearing that Doug Paulley has won a partial

victory, that is all we know the moment. We will talk to our legal

eagle Clive Coleman, who will explain exactly what that means, as

soon as we get him outside the Supreme Court. In the meantime, we

are going to talk about the latest jobless figures.

We've just had the first figures of the New Year

on the jobless total - unemployment is down by 52,000

It is the lowest unemployment total for more than a decade, but the

number of people in work has also fallen.

Let's talk now to the Employment Minister, Damian Hinds

Can you explain that our audience? This is a good start would important

year. The number of unemployed people is down somewhat, and the

rate is still at its 11 year low, the claimant rate is still at its

record high, so this is a good start to the year. Unemployment has

fallen, but the number of people in work has also fallen? The number of

people in work has fallen by a very, very small amount, we are talking

about fractions of 1%. Overall, the rate of employment has stayed at the

same level as in the previous period, so it stays at the record

high level, and I think it is encouraging that the unemployment

level has stayed at an 11 year low, and we are seeing good progress

particularly on youth unemployment and a new varying courage in figure

on the proportion of young people who are unemployed, down to 5.3%.

And what you read into these figures more broadly, considering it is the

three months to November, so several months after the vote to leave the

European Union, when there was a period of uncertainty, let's be

honest. I think these figures illustrate the underlying strength,

the resilience, of the UK economy, and as we enter 2017, it will be an

important year for our country clearly. This gives us confidence.

They are encouraging figures, we know in our job centres and what we

do to support people that there is always more to do, but we start of

2017 in a good position. I want to ask you about Mrs May's Brexit

speech. She said yesterday she thinks she can get a brilliant deal

with the EU without any of what she called the downsides. Is that

realistic? The Prime Minister set out a comprehensive and positive

approach to these negotiations. Issue being realistic? It covered

all the important areas. The primers to has always been clear that we

have to maximise our trade opportunities, growth opportunities,

but also make sure that we take back control over immigration, over our

laws, over taxpayers' money. We have a shared interest between us and the

other members of the European Union into forging a deal that works for

Britain and works well for the European Union, so that when your

trading partners do well, you do well. How would the EU benefit from

giving the UK a special deal? The EU will benefit of the UK economy is

doing well, just as the UK economy benefits when the EU economy is

doing well or indeed the American Chinese economies and so on. In the

international economy, when your trading partners are doing well,

that is good for you, it is good for your own private prospects and

growth prospects. There is a really important shared interest here, a

lot of goodwill on both sides to make sure the best possible deal is

struck. Thank you very much, Damian Heinz, employment Minister.

Still to come: As one of his last acts as president, Barack Obama has

commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning. We will get some reaction

to that decision. Let's get the latest weather with Carol, looking

divine is always! Back at you!

We have had a real difference up and down the country, -7 two plus nine,

and even now, we have quite a difference, currently -6 in Kent, -3

in Reading, plus three in Plymouth, move further north and we are

looking at a real change, because in Edinburgh it is nine, as it is in

Stornoway. Under the clear skies, it is cold. We have a lot of cloud

around. This picture scented earlier by one of our weather watchers from

Staffordshire, and another one showing parts of Wales. What we have

is a weather front straight across parts of Wales, the Midlands and

Lincolnshire producing sicker cloud and also light rain and drizzle, but

we have the clearer skies, allowing temperatures to be so low in the

South. This large area of low pressure in the Mediterranean, very

unsubtle is, bringing snow across parts of low levels. We have no snow

in our forecast, but we are dragging in this cold air from the near

continent, elsewhere we have the milder south-westerly is, so more

cloud and also some higher temperatures as we go through the

course of the day. For many of us, it will amend fairly cloudy, our

weather front fizzling in situ, so we will lose a lot of the patchy

rain and drizzle, it will just remain around the Windward Coast,

and from the South West all the way up to East Anglia, we hang onto that

sunshine. Into the afternoon, he is the sunshine, maximum temperature in

Barnstaple, eight Celsius, five in Southampton, only four in London. So

it will still feel cold. More cloud building across Norfolk and the

Midlands through the afternoon, but you can see a lot of cloud as we

move north across the rest of England. More persistent rain across

Shetland. North-east Scotland will see some breaks, but the Northern

Ireland, you will remain fairly cloudy through the day, any bright

spells will be at a premium. In Wales, a lot of cloud in the wake of

that weather front, the odd spot of rain possible particularly around

the coast. Through this evening and overnight, it would be quite as cold

as the night just gone, but it still is going to be cold enough for some

frost, again some mist and fog patches likely. Still damp along the

coast, so milder as we travel further north, still cold in the

South itself, but again tomorrow morning there will be some bright

skies, sunshine coming through, we lose the mist and fog patches, and

again tomorrow there will still be a lot of cloud, but a better chance of

seeing some breaks across Wales, Northern Ireland and parts of

north-east England, in the shelter of the Pennines. Temperatures, we

have been used ten and 11, but they are coming down a touch, Norwich

only looking at five, and then if we take a quick look at what is

happening on Friday, again quite a lot of cloud around, more in the

south, but still the Fasan seeing some sunshine. Temperatures closer

to where they should be the January. A partial victory for a wheel care

user who tried to get on a bus, but couldn't. We will be live outside

the Supreme Court in a moment. The Brexit Secretary believes he can

deliver the best deal for Britain on leaving the EU. It is in everybody's

interest to get a good deal. There are ?290 billion of exports from

Europe to us every year, cars, pharmaceuticals, food, you name it.

They want to keep that as much as we do.

If you're helping look after your grandchildren

and you're under 65 - you might be one of thousands

of grandparents missing out on a special government scheme

We'll bring you the details. Right, let's go live to the Supreme

Court where Clive Coleman can tell us what happened. Well, this case

that Doug Paulley a wheelchair user started in 2012 has reached the

highest court in the land. Doug Paulley tried to get on a bus in

Wetherby in 2012. He is a wheelchair user and couldn't get into the

dedicated wheelchair space because there was a mother with a buggy in

that space. The driver of the bus, the bus was operated by First Group,

the bus driver asked the woman to move, and she declined. Doug Paulley

had to get off the bus and he was delayed. Initially Doug Paulley sued

and got a ruling that the policy that First Bus operates of

requesting, but not requiring someone to move from the wheelchair

space was unlawful disability discrimination. The Court of Appeal

said there was no legal duty to make someone move. The court has come to

the Supreme Court and Doug Paulley won a ruling that the policy of

simply requesting is not sufficient to fulfil the duties of the bus

company under the Equality Act. The reason we say it is a partial

victory is that the ruling doesn't mean that the bus company must make

someone move from that space. They have no real power to do that, but

what the judge who gave the lead judgement in the case said today is

that requesting is not enough. If someone unreasonably refuses to move

from that wheelchair space then the driver has to do more than simply

request. He has to for instance turn his request into a requirement at

least saying you must move from that space, although he can't physically

eject someone from the space. He may also perhaps stop the bus for a

number of minutes. The judge said to shame the person who is in the

wheelchair space into moving. It is a partial victory and it will be

watched very, very carefully by service providers around the

country, we are talking about supermarkets with disabled space and

train companies with disabled toilets, anywhere where there is a

dedicated wheelchair space, service providers will have to do more than

simply ask people who are able-bodied or not in a wheelchair

to move and to vacate the spaces, they will have to up the ante, this

judgement could cause confusion with service providers not quite sure how

far they have to go to enforce what is a lawful policy of trying to move

people out of dedicated wheelchair spaces. So a partial victory for

Doug Paulley. He will be, I think, very pleased with this in so far as

it goes. Unfortunately, for him, the court did not award damages. He had

won ?55500 in damages. He has not been awarded damages and he will be

disappointed, but pleased with the principle that simply requesting

someone to move is not enough. Cheers, Clive. We will hear from

Doug Paulley because's the Supreme Court. If you are a bus driver, how

do you react to this judgement then? You have to do more than request

that a mum or dad with a buggy move out of the space for wheelchairs,

what does that mean, does it mean getting out of your cab and having a

reasonable conversation? How would you interpret that? Let me know.

We'll bring you the rest of the news now. Here is Joanna.

In the past hour, it's been revealed that there are now more

than a thousand cases of allegations of historical child

The figures come from the National Police Chiefs' Council.

The estimated number of victims now stands at over 500.

Unemployment has plunged to its lowest total for more

than a decade, but the number of people in work has also fallen.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics show that UK

unemployment fell by 52,000 to 1.6 million in three

But the numbers in work fell by 9,000 to 31.8 million,

The Employment Minister said the figures were positive. The number of

unemployed people is down somewhat and the rate is still at its 11-year

low. The employment rate is still at its record high. So this is a good

start to the year. Southern says it will restore a full

train service from next week now that ASLEF has suss spended action.

The union is in dispute with Southern's parent company GTR over

the role of conductors on driver-only operated trains.

Amounting to Britain's worst rail strikes in 20 years.

The Foreign Secretary has said countries are "queuing up" to sign

free trade deals with Britain when it leaves the European Union

Boris Johnson also suggests that agreements could be achieved quickly

after the Article 50 negotiations are concluded.

Mr Johnson is currently on a visit to India and praised

I think that the Prime Minister set out a very powerful,

a very positive vision yesterday for how we can do a deal, that

will not just benefit our friends in the rest of the EU,

but also drive growth in the rest of the world and one of the points

I will be making here in India is that we think we can do free

trade deals which will be for the benefit of both our

countries, both Britain and India as well.

Mobile operator EE has been fined ?2.7 million for overcharging tens

The penalty, imposed by telecoms regulator Ofcom

after an investigation, found that the UK's biggest mobile

network broke a billing rule on two occasions,

overcharging customers using the 150 customer services

number within the EU, and billing them even

EE has apologised and says it has put measures in place to prevent

President Obama has cut the sentence of Chelsea Manning,

who was jailed for 35 years for leaking intelligence secrets.

Manning's supporters have campaigned for years for her release,

maintaining she's a whistle-blower and not a traitor.

The former military analyst, who was born Bradley Manning but had

hormone therapy in prison, will be released in May.

Thomas Cook is preparing to bring thousands of British

holiday-makers home from Gambia because of a worsening

The Foreign Office is advising people to avoid all but essential

travel to the country after its President refused

to step down and declared a state of emergency.

Thomas Cook said it was implementing contingency plans to bring home

all its UK customers on additional flights over the next 48 hours.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Where else should I start, but tennis?

British number three Dan Evans is 2-1 up

against Marin Cilic in the second round of the Australian Open.

Seventh seed Cilic took the first set, but Evans took the second

Commentary from Melbourne is on 5 live sports extra.

Andy Murray is on court shortly against Russian

The non-league side beat Ipswich Town of the Championship

1-0 in their FA Cup third round replay.

The first time they've got this far since Graham Taylor

The drama was left until the 91st minute

when Nathan Arnold scored a well-deserved winner for Lincoln,

who'll be at home to Brighton in the fourth round.

People talk about the finances, but for me, football is not about money,

it is about the moment. It is about nights like this. It's about the

smiles on people's faces. That's what football is about. So, you

know, that to me has been the great part of this journey.

And another non-league side, Sutton United, also made it through.

They beat League One's AFC Wimbledon 3-1 in their replay.

That earned Sutton a lucrative televised tie at home

I thought our supporters were magnificent. They stuck with us.

What a reward for them. And really, you know, this team, it is just a

fantastic group of players. A great spirit amongst them and they deserve

all the credit. Manchester City midfielder

Yaya Toure has turned down ?430,000 a week to play

for a Chinese club. It's the second time a club

in the Chinese Super League has His contract at Manchester City runs

out at the end of the season but it's believed he wants to stay

in the Premier League. Europe's captain will be able

to choose four players for next Thomas Bjorn will get to pick one

more player than Darren Clarke It's part of a revamp

of the qualifying system after Europe lost heavily

to the United States in Hazeltine. England women head coach

Simon Middleton has included four new faces in his 33-player squad

for the Six Nations. England host defending

champions France in their It's a tournament that should see

Tamara Taylor win her 100th cap - and one that she thinks is ideal

preparation for the World Our family is back together as a

whole. The Six Nations is an amaying tournament because you get to have

an international nearly every week that you don't get in any other

tournament for us. So that's going to be a huge preparation. Again, we

get to play some of the top teams in the world.

On update on the tennis, Dan Evans 2-1 set up in his second round tie

and it is going with serve in the fourth set. It is 1-1. Andy Murray

will be on court later. That's all the sport for now.

Wheelchair Doug Paulley has partially won his court at the

Supreme Court against a bus operator after he tried to get on a bus, but

couldn't because a buggy was in the way. The court decided that non des

abled people occupying a wheelchair space can't be forced to move by

law, but said bus drivers must do much more to try to sort the problem

out. Let's talk now to four people

who say their disability has meant they've struggled with accessibility

on public transport. Will Pike had an incident just this

week on a bus where the ramp Romina Puma, like Doug Paulley,

has been refused bus rides in the past because of pushchairs

in the disabled space. Zoe Williams says one in ten trips

on public transport feel Samantha Renke says every day feels

like a Tube strike for her. Goodness me. OK, let's talk about

what happened at the Supreme Court. Your reaction that bus drivers they

have to do a little bit more than request that someone moves the buggy

from the wheelchair space by might mean finding another space or

shaming the person that won't move the buggy, what do you think, Zoe? I

think the whole point of this case was to try and get a little bit more

clarity about how far bus drivers are meant to go in terms of

requiring people to move out of the space. I'm not sure this ruling has

actually provided that clarity. You're smiling. Go on, Will? Zoe

should continue. I think she hit the nail on the head. We were seeking

some clarity. Doug has done an incredible job in bringing this

issue to light and to the mainstream media's attention and at the end of

it, there is no news. It is back to square one. People are going to be

searching for some grey air offia truth this this. Can you envisage

being on a bus, we have got this, whatever this is, this judgement,

this ruling, and there is a buggy there. What happens? I mean, I

normally ask the buggy to move, that's always a bit awkward. I never

once had a bus driver come to the area and ask for that to be moved.

It is normally myself or somebody who I'm with. That can just be a bit

awkward. Particularly when it is a full bus. It has been raining

outside, but I need to get on that bus because like everyone else I

have got a job and I have got to go places. I can't just wait outside

for three or four buses and that has actually happened. I have been

waiting for several buses. Clive Coleman was suggesting that, you

know, the bus driver will sort of call out the parent who has got the

buggy in the wheelchair space and try and shame them in some way. Is

that going to work? No, it is not going to work because it happened in

the past. When they asked the mums or the parents to fold up the prams

they say no, I'm not going to do it and the driver looks at me and says,

they don't want to do it. What can I do? Well, I need to get on a bus

too. He can fold up the pram. I can't. It is just a priority and

also, all those signs there, priority wheelchairs, it is just

like, it is like an ornament. The creation. The gesture. Just get rid

of them and put some adverts instead. It is misleading, I don't

think it is fair. I was recently on a train with the

same scenario, I couldn't get to a wheelchair space because people had

left their baggage all over. The sign said, priority by law. But if

it is by law, why isn't it being enforced? Why are people putting

their stuff there? I think attitudes towards disability needs to change.

Do think there hasn't been much progress. I think there has in some

areas, but people still don't realise that we are like everyone

else, we have jobs, places to be. We are not going to just sit at home,

and that is where people need to change their mentality. Disabled

people should be thought of as integral parts of the community, and

not someone that is just sitting at home feeling sorry for themselves,

because that is completely not the case. Tell me about the ramp

incident, well. It wasn't within the last week, but we were talking about

this in the Green room before. All of us have a situation where the

ramp has broken. I have cleared a bus load of passengers on a Monday

morning rush-hour, and what that taps into family is the amount of

confidence and mental, emotional strength it takes just to leave the

house and accomplish things that would be quite straightforward for

able-bodied people. And it is just that lack of empathy sometimes and

humanity within a situation that means you are left with the Khyber

of -- a type of conflict that nobody wants to have. In dog's case, it is

an example of how far people want to take it, but he is not saying that

everybody should have to go down this path, because for years is far

too long for the process, and the outcome has undermined a lot of the

work it has been doing. Certain charities like Scope who have been

supporting his case I left going, where does this leave us? Because we

had a response. And bus operators will be thinking that. Zoe, it seems

what we are talking about here is not only a shift in the minds of

able-bodied people, but also still it is clear facilities which are

supposed to be there for people using wheelchairs are not, or if

they are, they are not functioning properly. I think that's true. If

you look at the design of most public transport, it is not designed

with wheelchair users in mind. There public transport, it is not designed

is provision made for wheelchair users within a design primarily

aimed at non-wheelchair users, so you will always be an afterthought,

whereas a better design would be one that actually takes the idea that

wheelchair users do need to use this facility, and adopt that into the

central part of the design rather than putting a space in afterwards.

On trains, for example, there isn't enough space for luggage and

wheelchairs, so luggage tends to take priority, because more people

have luggage, but it doesn't have to be that way. If there was more

space, we wouldn't have this conflict. If some bosses had space

for wheelchairs and pushchairs, there would be less of a problem.

Let me read you some comments from people around the country. They are

not also pathetic. They are not rude, but they are not all

sympathetic. Iris, I am a mother of three who tries to use as much

public transport as possible. The question is not whether a wheelchair

user should always have the right to get a space on the bus. If there is

a parent with one child, of course they can collapse the Bushchan hold

their child, but what about a mother with a toddler and a newborn. How is

she supposed to have both on her lap and left a heavy pram? What she has

tried to do with that, comment is generate some sort of sympathy

towards her plight. We get it, that particular journey might become

difficult for you, and what we are saying is, there are probably

countless journeys where these interactions take place, and they

are Ogleby handled sensibly. This type of debate, pushchairs versus

wheelchairs, doesn't help, it is not about these people. I cannot in all

honesty CYA adult in a wheelchair has any more right to use the space

provided, this comment says. If mothers with pushchairs didn't

campaign to create wheelchair spaces within public transport, people with

wheelchairs did. And that is the only place where a person with a

wheelchair can sit on the bus. I was on a bus last week with a mother and

two very young Jordan, and other passengers on the bus helped her

arrange the children in a way that was safe. I find it generally 95% of

the time, people on the bus are helpful and will help someone in

difficulty, but it is a pain to have to rely on the goodwill of others,

and I understand that, but we have to rely on the goodwill of others

100% of the time. People need to take a turn. What I found really

heartbreaking with the stories about the trains and now today with this,

I get messages from a number of people with different impairments,

and they say, this is why I don't go on public transport, I am too

scared. Being disabled can be isolating enough without thinking,

my goodness, I don't even want to get on a bus and go to the shops. I

think that is what we need to look at. To be terrified to just get on a

bus, which body else can take for granted. This person says, and

forcing disabled spaces on buses is easy. Stop the bus until the selfish

person complies, either out of shame, or peer pressure from other

passengers. The driver turned the engine off and says, right, we are

not going anywhere until you move. Someone is going to do that! One of

the things that happened to me was I had my scooter, and it was late at

night, I was tired, it was raining and cold, I just wanted to go home,

and the driver didn't let me on the bus because he said that the scooter

wasn't in the specification to be allowed on a bus, it was too big. It

is, I checked three times. So I was very sure that it could go on, so I

was thinking, I should go just in front of the bus and stop the bus.

What stop to taking that action? There was no slope to go down! But

in the end, what I did, she didn't let me on, and I managed to catch

the following one which was faster than the first one, so I got to my

stop and I waited for her, and I knocked, and I wanted the details to

do a complaint, but she didn't open the door, she just went off. That

was the worst experience I had. I can see Clive Coleman has hotfooted

it to outside of the Supreme Court to fill us in about this partial

judgment. We have been reacting to that in the studio here, Clive. A

partial victory is probably a better way to describe it. This battle by

Doug Paulley, this legal battle which started when he simply try to

get on a bus in 2012 to go from Wetherby to Leeds, and there was a

policy on the bus operator at the time which was to request but not

require a non-wheelchair user to vacate the wheelchair space. That

policy has been at the centre of this legal battle. Doug Paulley

initially won a victory that that policy was disability

discrimination, that was reversed by the Court of Appeal, it has come to

the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court today have ruled that that

policy of requested that someone move from that space doesn't go far

enough. Doug Paulley has won a victory that means the bus companies

simply will have to do more. We will talk about exactly what I have to do

by way of further action in a moment, but first of all let's talk

to Doug. Five years, you just try to get on a bus! Yes, who would have

thought that five years on I would still be discussing that day I tried

to go to my parents' for lunch! I was an hour late, my mum and dad

have been at every hearing since, and my mother very suddenly died

last summer and didn't get to see the end of this. She has been with

me all the way. It has just been amazing, the amount of support but I

have had off so many people, disabled people, organisations,

lawyers, family, allies, and this hopefully is going to make a major

difference to disabled people's travel. Perhaps it didn't go quite

as far as you had wanted. It seems to be reading the judgment that what

is being said is that drivers will have to put some pressure on the

person who is within the space to move, but they can't physically move

them, there is no legal duty which means that operators have the right

to remove somebody, to kick them out of that space, but they have to do

more than they currently do? Not all of the Justices agreed, at least one

said there was the power to do that. So there was a significant agreement

on some details. In any case, these things are always a matter of

judgment. Drivers have to judge how to react to somebody smoking or

causing a disturbance or eating smelly food, the famous kebabs that

has appeared in every hearing. So there always has to be some

judgment, and there will always be some exceptional circumstances where

somebody can't be expected to move out of the space. But what this

judgment means is that the driver has to make their own decision as to

whether or not the person is being unreasonable in refusing to move,

and if they are, he or she has to tell them that they are required to

move, and if necessary reviews to move the bus until they shift. So I

think that is very clear. Lets talk to Chris Fryer, your solicitor, who

has been fighting this case right the way through the entire English

legal system, in just about every court! Chris, just explain. Some

people will think this will cause more confusion, because drivers

perhaps won't know how to put pressure or how much pressure to put

on somebody to move, and you could be in a worse position than you were

before. It is difficult to see how it could be worse than anybody. This

is a fairly clear judgment from the Supreme Court, that the policy of

requested retreat, the driver asking someone to move and then washing

their hands on it, is a dead policy. Bus companies should now be

operating to the Paulley principle, which is... Doug, you have a

principle named after you! It is quite a name. So many people have

done so much, this is only that have done it on my own. Chris, explaining

detail what the principle is. It is fairly straightforward, if you are a

disable passenger, you have enforceable rights over that space.

The Supreme Court agreed unanimously that that was the case. Whether

judgment falls short, and we clearly there was a dispute between three of

the Supremes in particular, is there is no writers things currently stand

to force someone off a bus, so it goes as far as that, but not that

far yet. Yet, because we know that Parliament has been looking at the

outcome of the case and is looking at legislating to give clarity over

those additional rights, so Doug has changed everything for disabled

passengers. He has changed the culture, and it looks as though the

decision in the fullness of time will achieve the change reality for.

And a quick word with Robin Allen QC. He is your barrister throughout

this battle. How far do you think this principle extends in terms of

service providers, talking about disabled parking spaces in

supermarkets, disabled toilets on trains. What are service providers

going to have to do in terms of looking at their policies? They have

to take on board that the equality at how is this principle of

reasonable adjustment, and that means that they must try and give

equal access to their services to disabled people. That is why we have

disabled car parking spaces close to the door of a supermarket, why they

are wider so that doors can be opened, and so on. And they should

have a policy to prevent people blocking those spaces, and they will

need to think how they will do it. They might need a parking attendant

or somebody in the supermarket who was willing to go out and say, not

in that space, move over. And to put some serious moral pressure on to

the ordinary walking public, to ensure that the disabled public have

equal access to goods and services. Doug, a final thought from you. You

said your mother had followed this process right the way through, and

she wasn't here to see it, but she will know now wherever she is that

the Paulley has been well and truly a stab wished! She was a wonderful

lady, I have been incredibly lucky to have that support, so God bless

you, Mum. So the principle has been established, it is a wake-up call

for service providers around the country that they will have to look

at policies in relation to wheelchair users and make sure that

those policies are sound and properly enforced.

Doug Paulley was more positive than we were initially were. Is that

fair? Yes, he is quite positive. I'm still not so positive. I want to see

what changes they're going to make. With muscular dystrophy UK we do a

campaign and we work with TfL and we are happy to work with them even

more to make them understand what we really need. Thank you very much.

Thank you cord coming on the programme. Nice to meet you. Thank

you. Still to come, we'll be finding out

how thousands of grandparents could be missing out on a special

government scheme designed to reimburse them for looking

after their grandchildren. And we're expecting to hear

from European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker

at the European Parliament after Theresa May revealed her

government's Brexit plans. With the news, here's Joanna

in the BBC Newsroom. Wheelchair user Doug Paulley has

partially won his case at the Supreme Court against bus

operator First Group PLC. The case was triggered

when Doug Paulley attempted to board a bus in 2012 but was unable

to when a woman refused The court unanimously allowed

the appeal, but to a limited extent. Doug told our programme

he welcomes the decision. It's just been amazing the amount of

support that I've had of so many people, disabled people,

organisations, lawyers, family, allies, and you know, this hopefully

is going to make a major difference to disabled people's travel. It's

brilliant. The Foreign Secretary has said

countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade deals with Britain

when it leaves the European Union Boris Johnson also suggests that

agreements could be achieved quickly after the Article 50

negotiations are concluded. Mr Johnson, who is currently

in India on his first official visit, praised Theresa

May's Brexit speech. It's been revealed that there

are now more than a thousand cases of allegations of historical child

sexual abuse in football. The figures come from

the National Police Chiefs' Council. The estimated number of victims

now stands at over 500. Unemployment has plunged

to its lowest total for more than a decade, but the number

of people in work has also fallen. Figures from the Office

for National Statistics show that unemployment fell by 52,000

to 1.6 million in three Southern has said it

will restore a full train service from next Tuesday,

now that the train driver's union Aslef has suspended

its industrial action. The announcement comes after talks

this morning between the two sides. The union is in dispute

with Southern's parent company GTR over the role of conductors

on driver-only operated trains, amounting to Britain's worst rail

strikes in 20 years. Thomas Cook is bringing thousands

of British holiday-makers home from the Gambia

because of a worsening The Foreign Office is advising

people to avoid all but essential travel to the country,

after its President refused to step down and declared

a state of emergency. A team from Thomas Cook

is expected to arrive The travel operator has five flights

coming back to the UK today. Join me for BBC

Newsroom live at 11am. Reaction from the family of US

soldier Chelsea Manning, formerly known as Bradley Manningment you may

have heard that President Obama, has reduced Chelsea Manning's sentence

in jail for leaking thousands and thousands of classified documents.

The Welsh family of Chelsea Manning say they are overjoyed that Chelsea

will soon be free adding, "We hope that Chelsea will be able to get on

with the rest of her life and that she finds happiness and fulfilment

in whatever she chooses to do. There will always be a welcome for her

here in Wales." ." More reaction to that reduction in sentence after the

sport. Dan Evans is 2-1 up against seventh

seed Marin Cilic in the second Evans lost the first set 3-6,

but fought back to take It's currently 4-3

with Evans a break up Non-league Lincoln City beat

Championship side Ipswich Town 1-0 last night in their third round FA

Cup replay. It's the first time they've got this

far since the late Graham Taylor Another non-league side,

Sutton United, also made it through. They beat League One AFC Wimbledon

3-1 in their replay. They're at home to Leeds

in the fourth round. Europe's captain will be able

to choose four players for next It's part of a revamp

of the qualifying system after Europe lost heavily

to the United States in Hazeltine. England women head coach

Simon Middleton has included four new faces in his 33-player squad

for the Six Nations. England host defending

champions France in their That's all the sport for now,

Victoria. In one of his last acts

as president, Barack Obama has reduced the sentence

of Chelsea Manning for leaking Formerly known as Bradley Manning,

was sentenced to thirty five years So who is Chelsea Manning

and what has been the reaction President Obama's decision to cut

Chelsea Manning's sentence has, as you might expect

provoked strong views. The Speaker of the House

of Representatives, Paul Ryan, condemned it saying

Chelsea Manning's treachery put American lives at risk and exposed

some of our nation's most sensitive The Wikileaks founder Julian Assange

praised the move and thanked all those who'd campaigned

for Manning's release. He said, "Your courage

and determination made But pressure is growing

on Mr Assange who has been living in London's Ecuadorian Embassy

for more than four years. He had said last year

that he would be prepared to hand himself over to the US

for extradition if Chelsea A short time ago I spoke

to Jeff Patterson who is the co-founder

of the Chelsea Manning Support Network and Colonel Ann Wright,

a campaigner and former US diplomat. I began by asking them

for their reaction to the news I am thrilled that President Obama

has taken the advice of hundreds of thousands of Americans,

if not millions, to commute A sentence that was unbelievably

long of 35 years, and she has So I, along with millions of people,

am thrilled that Chelsea You are a former American Marine,

you will have heard that Senator John McCain, chairman

of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has described

what Barack Obama has done as a grave mistake and fears it will

encourage further acts of espionage. It is a slander

against Chelsea Manning. She gave classified documents that

should never have been Why is it her decision to take it

upon herself to release them? Well, she took a stand

of conscience, that is what people do throughout

history, to make the world She paid for that

dearly for seven years. We're delighted that she is not

going to have to die in prison for what we believe was doing

the right thing. John McCain said that what she did

endangered the lives of American troops, diplomats

and intelligence services. Yes, seven years later,

you cannot point to a single person who died because

of the information she provided. We have no idea if anybody died

as a result of what she released. We've had seven years to find

evidence that people were harmed because of that,

and yet we have overwhelming The public's right to know

what was happening with our tax dollars was served through her

release of these documents. Does that mean that anyone

in the armed forces in the States can steal and leak classified

information if they declare it to be Indeed, they take the consequences

for it, because it is a very strong act that a person does

when they release But I want to add that

Chelsea Manning's release of that information was investigated very

thoroughly by the US military The US military said

that there was no injury to any US person because of the disclosure

of the information that she had put But she did apologise for "hurting

the US" and said she had mistakenly thought she could change the world

for the better. She also acknowledged

she hurt the US. Each person must look at it

in their own conscience. At that point, when she wrote that,

she felt that in some ways she did hurt the United States,

but I, as a 29-year military veteran, 16 years in the diplomatic

corps, I think her act was one that helped the United States,

it helped the United States face the criminal acts that

its military had committed, and hopefully now the US

military will not commit those same things that were shown

by the materials that As a co-founder of the Chelsea

Manning Support Network, Chelsea has had a very difficult

time in jail, tell our British Chelsea Manning, formerly Bradley,

she has begun transitioning The military has

made it hell on her. That's led her to attempt

suicide twice in the last A final thought

about Edward Snowden. He also leaked thousands

of documents, former US State employee, fled to Russia,

arguably his leaks were more What might what has happened

to Chelsea Manning, what might the implications

for Edward Snowden be? He has done a remarkable thing

for the world in the disclosure The disclosure of yet more criminal

acts committed by the United States that involved the privacy

of all of us, of the whole world. So I do not think he should be

going to prison, I don't think he should go on trial,

and I think he should stay in Russia until all of this is settled,

because if he would return to the United States,

he would be treated in the same brutal manner that Chelsea Manning

has been treated. Let's talk to Frank Gardner, what

are the implications of reducing this sentence? It is an incredibly

polarized actment to many people this is a noble and right thing to

do by and out going president, an act of clemency, he has been

produced by Michael Moore and by WikiLeaks and Edward Snowden himself

has praised it. A lot of people will think it is the right thing to do

for somebody who is transgender and should never be as a woman in a

men's prison in Kansas. To others, what BradleyManning who became

Chelsea Manning is a traitor, somebody who put people's lives in

danger and somebody who leaked 700,000 classified documents and

essentially powered WikiLeaks to the state that it is in today. I think

one of the biggest implications of this is that the US and other allied

countries should never again get themselves into a position where

somebody who is actually was a very junior intelligence analyst, Bradley

Manning as he was then, now Chelsea Manning, was a private first class,

that's a low rank and was given access to extraordinary amounts of

diplomatic classified documents. What ambassadors were saying

privately about people. Really embarrassing stuff, meetings they

had with heads of state. Bradley Manning should never have been put

into that position and somebody needed, you know, to be held

accountable for that. I'm not exonerating. This person has been

tried and has served already seven years, but the really catastrophic

mistakes were made higher up the chain of command. In terms of Edward

Snowden, what he leaked is on a different scale?

Totally different. Chelsea Manning did what at the time she thought was

the right thing to do, and leaked it, WikiLeaks is not a proscribed

organisation, but it is perfectly legal. Edward Snowden fled to

America's adversary, Moscow, and then the whole story came out. It

isn't as if he fled to a neutral country, Switzerland Ecuador or even

Cuba. He went to Moscow, and there is still confusion, but pretty much

every body assumes the Russians are not doing this just embarrass

America, they wanted access to what was inside his head or in whatever

files, so that has been a propaganda victory for President Putin, and

what Edward Snowden did, again it is divisive, polarised, some people

think he is a hero whistle-blower, and that he exposed appalling

snooping and invasions of privacy, others, that he enabled criminal

networks, organised crime, hackers, Isis, Al-Qaeda and other terrorist

organisations to learn how they would be intercepted and listen to,

so they change their methods, moved off certain platforms and went on to

more encrypted platforms where they are harder to detect, and if you

talk to anybody in counter-terrorism, they will say

that Edward Snowden has made their job far harder. Frank Gardner, thank

you very much. The number of migrants attempting to

cross the Mediterranean is higher than ever. Earlier on the programme

we brought you a film from aboard a rescue ship.

Stay where you are, we're going to come to you.

You can see the film on our Facebook page. Kate Allen has been telling us

about the work that MSF and other charities do when it comes to

rescuing. That kind of work is absolutely vital. We see people

dying in the Mediterranean every day. Last weekend, 100 people lost

their lives in the Mediterranean. So MSF are doing brilliant work. There

are also UK and other EU ships and boats out there in the

Mediterranean, but the real issue is why are people getting in those

boats in the first place? And it is because they are absolutely

desperate. They are fleeing situations in Syria, Iraq,

Afghanistan, and they have no alternative, because all of the land

routes have been blocked, so this is desperate people fleeing appalling

situations and being forced into those situations, and that's the

issue that we should be concentrating on. You will know that

critics say the fact that boats, Government boats, Charity boats, go

out and rescue people when they are in trouble in the sea is encouraging

others to follow, to put their lives at risk. I find that one of the most

extraordinary thing is that anybody could actually stand up and say. The

people who say that have not seen what is happening in Syria, they

have not been on the borders of Lebanon and Syria and scene where

refugees have spent two, three, four years under canvas with their

children having no education and no health care. If you or I were in

that situation, we would up and move and try to get to somewhere where we

could protect our children and try to get health care and support.

People are getting on those boats because it is the least worst

option. But when they arrive on the shores of Italy, and I are not being

processed and sent to a refugee camp? What happens is people risk

their lives coming across the Mediterranean, they are being held

in Turkey now overwhelmingly. In a refugee camp? Yes, but what people

are trying to do is get to Europe, they are trying to get to somewhere

where they can perhaps have some sort of life where they can get

health care, get their children into education. You know the deal that

the EU came up with was that, yes, we will take some refugees, but

those who have been in the saddle camps for a period of time, not

those who suddenly arrive on a boat. It is such a forced distinction. It

is trying to discourage people risking their lives in a dinghy.

Water deer is saying is, stay put and rot where you are, and we may

come and get a few of you. That is what it is actually saying. If you

step back and look at whether refugee problem is globally, there

are 20 million refugees in the world. There are more refugees in

South Africa than there are the whole of Europe. So we need to get a

sense of proportion about this as Europeans. Kate Allen from Amnesty

International UK. Thousands of grandparents

who haven't reached the pension age of 65,

and are helping bring up their grandchildren,

are missing out on a special Research by an insurance group

has found only a low number of applications have been

made for what's being called Let's talk now to Lucy Peake, Chief

Executive of Grandparents Plus. And three people who don't work

and all regularly look Lizzie, what is the issue? 9 million

grandparents in the UK are caring for grandchildren, helping working

parents to go to work, and the Government has introduced a benefit

so working parents can transfer their national insurance credit to

the grandparent if they are of working age. The issue is that very

few are taking this up, and they think this is a lack of awareness.

OK, so if they did transfer that national insurance credit, it would

be more cash for the grandparents? It protect their state pension when

they become pensioners. Witching cash terms can be an extra ?200 a

year? It is around ?230 each year, so it is worth doing. We want

grandparents to find out if they are eligible for it. Melissa, hello.