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This programme has discovered that Aston Villa sacked a scout accused | :00:08. | :00:21. | |
of sexually abusing boys in 1988, but did not go to police. | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
Professional player Tony Brien has waived his right to anonymity | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
to tell us he went to the club to tell them about the abuse he was | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
That full exclusive interview at 0915. | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
Also on the programme: After worldwide backlash | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
against new restrictions on travel to the United States, | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
bans against seven countries aren't directed against Muslims. | :00:44. | :00:52. | |
They say it is based on a policy first introduced by President Obama. | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
If you are a Christian in Syria, it was impossible, very tough to get | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
into the United States. If you were a Muslim you could come in, and I | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
thought it was very, very unfair. And as MPs launch an investigation | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
into how damaging fake news is, the editor-in-chief of one fake news | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
website tells us politicians should focus their attention | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
on newspapers instead. Welcome to the programme, | :01:16. | :01:26. | |
we're live until 11. Latest breaking news | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
and developing stories to come - a little later in the programme | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
we'll hear how one school is advertising for a "school | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
detention director" who will be a "sergeant major in | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
the detention room". It's thought to be the first time | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
such a role has been advertised. Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
we're talking about this morning. If you text, you will be charged | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
at the standard network rate. Our top story today: Six people have | :01:53. | :02:00. | |
been shot dead and eight others wounded at a Mosque in the Canadian | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
city of Quebec. The Canadian Prime Minister | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
Justin Trudeau described the incident as "a terrorist | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
attack against Muslims". Sarah Corker's report | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
contains flashing images. Police closed off the area | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
surrounding the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Centre as armed officers | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
entered the mosque. It was during evening prayers | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
on Sunday that witnesses say gunmen opened fire | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
on 40 worshippers inside. Ambulances continued to take away | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
the dead and injured. Quebec provincial police confirmed | :02:29. | :02:37. | |
two suspects have been arrested. We consider the event like an act | :02:38. | :02:47. | |
of terrorism and we can persons pronounced dead and eight | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
persons is in hospital with minor The Canadian Prime Minister Justin | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
Trudeau said in a statement: The city rejects this barbaric | :02:58. | :03:30. | |
violence and express solidarity with Victors' families. | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
said: The motive for this attack is unknown but incidents | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
of Islamophobia in Quebec have increased in recent years. | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
Joining us now from Quebec is local reporter Peter Tardif. | :03:47. | :03:56. | |
It's the middle of the night there now and he's in | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
You have just come back from the scene. What's the latest? All we | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
know is what has been reported, six people dead, eight wounded, 39 other | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
people who were inside safe and sound, but I split -- at this point, | :04:10. | :04:21. | |
it is just coming to terms with the shock and reality. | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
Tell us a little bit about Quebec and the diversity of the population. | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
Quebec city is the second biggest city in this province, and so a very | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
peaceful city. The murder rate here is extremely low, less than one | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
person per year, so this is shocking news to people. Often we hear about | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
these types of things south of the border or in other places. Quebec | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
has had some shootings in the past, but this type of incident is | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
something completely new to people. Very peaceful, very quiet, and those | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
are words that keep coming up with regards to this incident, simply | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
disbelief that this could happen here of all places. Are there any | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
early thoughts about why Muslims might be targeted in Quebec? There | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
is really no inkling as to what happened here, what transpired here, | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
why did this happen. Politicians, the mayor, the Premier, the Minister | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
for public security, not confirming any details, police also not | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
confirming details, saying this is not a time for politics, it is a | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
time to mourn. But we know that at this particular mosque this past | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
summer there was a pig's head deposited near it during Ramadan, so | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
people mentioning this again today as a possible hate crime, | :05:53. | :05:59. | |
Islamophobia at that time present, and now this event, trying to link | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
those two, that is something people are talking about. Thank you very | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
much, Peter. Let's bring you the rest of this morning's news. Joanne | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
is on the BBC newsroom. Good morning. | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
Protests have intensified across America against President Trump's | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
travel ban on people from seven mainly-Muslim countries. | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
The President insists the ban is not about religion, | :06:21. | :06:22. | |
Politicians here are concerned about the impact it might | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
Here's our Washington Correspondent David Willis. | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
MAN CHANTS: No ban, no wall - New York for all. | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
In a country built by immigrants, many find Donald Trump's | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
They took to the streets in cities across the nation, | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
as the crackdown sparked chaotic scenes at some airports | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
and promptied criticism from senior members | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
Neal Behgooy and his wife underwent several hours | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
of questioning after touching down in Texas from Iran. | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
Over the weekend about 300 people were either prevented | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
They asked her about her family, about her brothers and | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
President Trump issued his controversial order without input | :07:10. | :07:20. | |
from or giving notice to the government departments that | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
will need to implement it, hence the concern of officials | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
here and elsewhere in trying to interpret it in the face | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
of a flurry of lawsuits and the concerns of | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
The Foreign Office says the ban only applies to people travelling | :07:32. | :07:41. | |
to the US from one of the seven countries on the list. | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
Travellers from the UK won't be affected and neither will UK | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
citizens travelling from any of those seven countries to America, | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
unless, that is, they're joint citizens of one of the seven | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
nations, in which case they're likely to face additional checks. | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
For all the confusion, Mr Trump's aides have deemed | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
the travel ban a success and they issued a statement seeking | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
to dispel suggestions that it amounted to a ban on Muslims: | :08:08. | :08:16. | |
Despite the backlash, Donald Trump knows that | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
many of those who voted for him did so specifically because of his | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
promise to combat the threat of so-called radical | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
To them, this just represents another promise kept. | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
This programme has discovered that Aston Villa sacked a scout accused | :08:31. | :08:42. | |
of sexually abusing boys in 1988 but did not go to police. | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
20 years later, that scout - Ted Langford - was jailed for sexual | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
offences against young boys between 1976 and 1989 - | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
Former professional player Tony Brien says he was abused | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
numerous times by Langford from the age of 12 whilst | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
playing for local youth team Dunlop Terriers. | :09:03. | :09:03. | |
We'll have more on this in the next few minutes. | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
A group of MPs is to carry out a parliamentary inquiry | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
The Commons, Media and Sport committee will investigate | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
inaccurate or false news stories being shared on social media. | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
Members of the Committee say they've noted concerns over people | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
being fed false information from nontraditional news sources. | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
A free school in London is advertising for a "school | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
The advert says they need someone who will be a "sergeant major | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
The advert goes on to say the role isn't suited to someone who wants | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
to be every child's best friend, but for someone who believes | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
children need clear, firm discipline. | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
The Department for Education says it is a matter for the school to | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
comment on. In the next few minutes, we will be | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
talking to Tony Brian, he is with us this morning, he has waived his | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
right to anonymity to speak out publicly for the first time about | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
the abuse he said he was subjected to by a scout at a youth team when | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
he was aged 12. As a teenager, he reported the Scarratt. The scout was | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
then working at Aston Villa. Aston Villa decided to sack this garret, | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
but they didn't go to the police. We will talk to him in the next few | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
minutes. Do get in touch with us | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Let's get some sport | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
with Tim Hague now. Tim, plenty of big shocks in the FA | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
Cup over the weekend, but not everybody is happy | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
with the big teams This comes up every year! | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
You are right, Victoria. People not very happy at all. You would think | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
we would be talking about the likes of Sutton, Lincoln Wolverhampton | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
Wanderers, all bringing brilliant result in knocking out Premier | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
League and championship side, but the teams rested 51 players from | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
their previous games, an incredible amount, and imagine, as a fan, you | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
travel hundreds of miles to watch your team play, and you are left | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
embarrassed by the result, but most of your team are not even regulars. | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
Leeds made ten changes, and non-league Sutton outplayed them | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
yesterday. It was the same for Brighton, nine there. The biggest | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
shock of the weekend was at Anfield on Saturday lunchtime. Walls just | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
too good for Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool. He made nine changes, | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
while Oxford beat Newcastle side also with nine rested players. I | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
think it is fair to say that former England captain Alan Shearer is not | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
happy about it at all. I think they are cheating the fans. Newcastle | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
fans travelled 250 master Oxford expecting their team to win, and he | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
puts out a weakened team. Newcastle have one of the biggest and best | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
teams in the championship, six points clear with a game in hand of | :12:07. | :12:08. | |
third place, so it is very disappointing. | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Not everyone is disappointed. Despite 13 Premier League clubs in | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
the fourth round making 98 changes to their line-ups, it makes for a | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
more other's competition, some think. Every team is making changes, | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
not just the Premier League teams. I think it is making the FA Cup | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
better, once you get the fifth sixth round, a lot of clubs are playing at | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
home to limit changes, but I think it has been fantastic for the cup | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
that we have seen so many upsets. I am all for playing the kids. You can | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
see Phil Neville's point of view, but many feel that the FA Cup is | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
devalued with a rested players. It is the fifth round draw on the One | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
Show later this evening, nobody can make changes to that! | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
Thank you. Good morning, welcome to the programme. | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
This programme has discovered that Aston Villa sacked a scout accused | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
of sexually abusing boys in 1988, but did not go to police. | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
20 years later that scout, Ted Langford, was jailed for sexual | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
offences against young boys between 1976 and 1989 - | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
Former professional player Tony Brien says he was abused | :13:13. | :13:23. | |
numerous times by Langford from the age of 12 whilst | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
playing for local youth team Dunlop Terriers. | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
He's waived his right to anonymity to speak | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
Tony Brien, who then went on to play for Leicester, Chesterfield, | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
West Brom and Hull City, says that whilst at Leicester - | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
at the age of 18 - he reported Langford - | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
who was then working as a scout at Aston Villa - | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
They sacked him - but we've learnt they did not | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
Mr Brien decided to speak publicly after seeing our interview | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
with Andy Woodward and three other former players. | :13:58. | :13:59. | |
They now campaign for better safeguarding in sport and hundreds | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
of other alleged victims have now come forward after our initial | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
We can speak to them both now - as you'd expect with | :14:05. | :14:13. | |
an interview of this nature - we will hear some graphic details | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
of sexual abuse which you may not want young children to hear. | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
Good morning, both of you. Thank you very much for coming on the | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
programme. Tony, thank you for talking | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
to us this morning. You decided to speak out | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
after seeing our interview I tried to speak out 30 years ago, | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
and I was listened to, and when I saw Andy Woodward go on the | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
television and speak out about it, it inspired me to come out and say | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
what happened to me, because I waited long enough, and I felt as | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
though the time was right, because when Andy first sat on the sofa, he | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
was alone. He urged victims to come forward and everything like that, so | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
I just couldn't ignore it any more, and I decided to come forward. I | :15:02. | :15:09. | |
telephoned the NSPCC helpline, and the rest is where I am today. Can I | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
ask you about the abuse that Ted Lankford subjected you to. He was | :15:15. | :15:24. | |
like somebody we always looked up to, somebody like that. He used to | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
turn up at my school and speak to me at games on Sunday and said he | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
needed something from me. And I used to asking, what is it you need from | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
me? I'm not telling you yet, but I need something from you. If you want | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
to be a footballer, I need something from you. This went on for quite a | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
number of months, and in the end, he turned around to me and said he | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
needed a sperm sample of mine. I was in shock, to say the least. I asked | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
him, could I not do this at home or anything like that, and he said, no, | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
it needs to be fresh. He said the reason why he needed it was so that | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
Leicester City doctors could examine it to see if I had a gene inside of | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
me that would make me become a footballer. A foot all's Jean? | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
And being so young at that time, you believed anything that people said | :16:26. | :16:37. | |
to you. He mass debated me, and himself as well, and it happened on | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
several occasions where he just kept saying that the sample wasn't | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
correct, I need you to do it again, and again. Until one day I said to | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
him, this stops now. Otherwise I will chop your Venus of. What age | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
where you when you said that to him. 14. Where would this abuse take | :16:57. | :17:08. | |
place? He used to take me to a golf course, at the back of the old | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
school that I used to go, a school in Handsworth and there was a golf | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
course at the back there and he used to drive up there. That's where it | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
took place. How did it make you feel? At the | :17:24. | :17:33. | |
time, you would have done anything because I thought it was right, but | :17:34. | :17:43. | |
you know, of all the years, now, I just feel dirty and I can't explain. | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
It's just, you would have done anything in them days, your dream | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
was to become a professional footballer. You know you believed | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
things that people said to you. And I would have done anything to become | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
a professional footballer, but I didn't know what I was doing then | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
was, you know, actually wrong because I trusted adults. And when | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
at 14 you told him where to go, what had changed? Did you know that this, | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
what he was doing to you was wrong? Yeah, it's just, I knew something | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
wasn't right. I knew from, you know, we used to go on trips abroad and | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
kids were coming out with love bites all over their neck and things like | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
that and it was just, it was just, it was just terrible to see it. Why | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
did he say he had to keep on doing it? He said that my sperm hadn't | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
come back from the doctor's with the right results. It wasn't, a test | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
that had been completed properly. It was inconclusive? Yes. So he would | :18:50. | :18:57. | |
say we have to do the test again, but we'll leave it for a few weeks. | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
We would have to do the test again. Unbelievable. Yes. This happened six | :19:04. | :19:13. | |
or seven times over that period of two years or so. How did he treat | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
you after it stopped? After you stopped him. After I stopped him, I | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
used to always be sat in the front of the van when we used to go to | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
matches and I think his way of dealing with it, he would put me to | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
the back of the van. And you told your mum, didn't you? When I was 18, | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
yes, I revealed it, yes, I did. How did she react? Obviously, she was in | :19:40. | :19:47. | |
shock. No mother likes to see her child hurt. She only knew about it | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
when I had actually reported it. In terms of reporting it, in 1988 you | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
were 18, you were playing at Leicester, Ted Langford was then | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
working at Villa with an assistant manager called Dave Richardson, he | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
was assistant manager to Graham Taylor, you worked with Dave | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
Richardson at Leicester and you say he decided to tell Dave Richardson | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
what Ted Langford had done to you, what did you say to Dave Richardson? | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
I told him what happened and it was over a number of phone calls. The | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
phone calls went on more about three to five weeks. And I was told that | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
something, they were dealing with it. They were dealing with it. And | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
then I got a phone call to say to me can you really be doing with all of | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
this teeny? Can you dealing with the obscenities from the terraces. Just | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
sweep it underneath the carpet, I was told. Dave Richardson denies | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
that he discouraged you from going public. He says he would never have | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
done that. He says he did everything possible to protect young players. | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
When we first spoke to him, he initially appeared to remember | :21:07. | :21:08. | |
speaking to you, several times, over the phone back in 1988, but in a | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
statement last night, he clarified his comments and he said he did not | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
believe he had ever spoken to you about the abuse. You say you | :21:18. | :21:24. | |
suffered, but he says that he and Graham Taylor and Doug Ellis had | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
heard claims of abuse from other parents and decided to sack Ted | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
Langford. This is Dave Richardson's statement last night. During the | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
1987, 1988 pre-season I was told of some alarming allegations by Mr | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
Langford by a member of staff at Aston Villa. I took these seriously | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
and began making inquiries. These led me to speak to the parents of | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
two young footballers at aston Villa who each told me their sons were | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
abused by Ted Langford. I asked them if they were going to report the | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
allegations to the police or if they wanted to. After consulting with | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
each other, both sets of parents told me they didn't want the matter | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
reported to the police. I don't think you were aware that other | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
parents had reported the abuse until now? I have never been aware of | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
that. Some months after you flagged this abuse to Villa, Langford was | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
sacked. But he wasn't reported to the police by the club, what do you | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
think of that? Why? Why was he not reported? How does that make you | :22:26. | :22:35. | |
feel, the fact that they didn't? What were they were trying to do at | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
the time, I don't know. All I know, I reported to the people I thought | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
it was right to report it to. For them not to report it to the police, | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
I just can't understand why they didn't do it. What do you think | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
about the fact that other parents talked to staff at Villa about their | :22:54. | :23:01. | |
own boys being abused? Well, when I first went forward to reveal what | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
had happened to me, I asked three other lads to come with me as well. | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
They didn't have the courage at the time to come forward. And I just did | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
what I had to do Victoria. 20 years after you flagged this, after you | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
first raised the alarm over Langford he was convicted of abusing boys at | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
Villa and Leicester. At least one conviction is of abuse in 1989. So | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
after you raised the alarm about him, what do you think about that? | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
It could have been stopped. It could have been stopped. Ted Langford died | :23:41. | :23:50. | |
in 2011. When you rang the police to tell them what had happened to you, | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
they told you, so they couldn't take it any further. On Friday, I think, | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
you heard that the FA want to meet you? I had a phone call off the West | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
Midlands Police saying that a solicitor of the FA was trying to | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
get hold of my details, is it OK to pass them on which I thought they | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
would have been passed on automatically, but I had no | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
objection to that whatsoever. Right. I think the West Midlands Police had | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
alerted the FA in December though when you went to the police first of | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
all? I went to the police on the 1st December this year and I reported it | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
to them and they did an interview with me and they passed the | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
information on to the FA within a couple of days. The West Midlands | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
Police in this have been outstanding. They are keeping me | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
informed about things. So yes, I passed it on on the 1st December. | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
Would you have expected to have heard from the FA by now? Yes. What | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
do you think about the fact that you haven't? I find it unbelievable that | :24:53. | :25:00. | |
I haven't been contacted. You know, I saw a television interview with | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
somebody from the FA saying they would speak to every single football | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
player that comes forward and I've not had a phone call. What kind of | :25:08. | :25:15. | |
impact did the abuse that you endured have on your playing career? | :25:16. | :25:24. | |
I don't know what impact it had on my playing career, but my personal | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
life, how I feel, after all these years, I tried to report this 30 | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
years ago and I was ignored. So, the way it makes you feel, it makes you | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
feel dirty. It makes you feel did I encourage it? It makes you ask | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
yourself all sorts of questions. It's always inside your head, you | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
just can't get rid of it. You can't get rid of it. After you say you | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
reported it to Villa, then do you, you just keep it in, do you, for | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
decades? Well, I obviously expected something to be done, but I was just | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
told do I really want the obscenities from the terraces? You | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
know, I just thought, that's it. What can I do about it? I've tried | :26:14. | :26:21. | |
to report it. And it has not got me anywhere and I have to get on with | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
it. In terms of your personal life, what affect has the abuse had on | :26:26. | :26:34. | |
your life? It's took an impact where, you know, I've lived a normal | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
life. Of course, I've lived a normal life, as normal as I can, but when | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
you've got something like that inside of you, it's something that | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
is going to stay with you until the day that you die. I've had two | :26:48. | :26:57. | |
failed marriages. And also, you know, I drunk heavily as well. And | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
you know, it's just things that I tried to do to forget about it. But | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
it is always there. Let me bring in Andy. I know you wanted him | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
alongside you as you talk to us. Andy, your reaction to what Tony has | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
told us today? I just am so, so proud of him and he gave me a call | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
and told me what had happened and each time I get something, it is | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
just, everything is just so shocking. I was just so shocked to | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
hear that he reported it when he was 18 and the fact that nothing | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
happened for him, you know, that's terrible. And I just, you know, I | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
was just so pleased and I'm so proud of him and he's so brave to do this | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
because it takes so much, like everybody else, and we had the phone | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
call on that Sunday, didn't we, Tony? And we were both in tears, you | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
know, because it's just so emotional. It has been an emotional | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
time for everyone, but I just feel like now oum' really proud that I | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
did it initially and there is so many now that are doing the right | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
thing and things are getting done. What about the fact that Villa | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
didn't report Ted Langford to the police because they say other | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
parents, whose boys had been abecaused, didn't want them to? It's | :28:17. | :28:24. | |
a difficult one that, isn't it? It's something that, it is only them back | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
then that can discuss that, it is such a long time ago, but you know, | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
it's just shocking, isn't it, to think of those things were happening | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
then and it was reported and not reported to the police and it goes | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
back to that mandatory reporting, doesn't it? Well, it does. Are you | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
one of those who thinks that mandatory reporting should be | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
introduced to force clubs and anyone else actually to report to the | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
police if they suspect abuse is going on? I mean, the mandatory | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
reporting, I've spoken to people from different countries and when I | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
speak to people in Australia, or the US, they're shocked that mandatory | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
reporting isn't in this country. I mean it is for the politicians to | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
discuss that and come up with a strategy around whether they can do | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
that or not, but surely, you know, there has to be something to report | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
these sort of things that are going on because it's still happening now | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
and we're having the reports to the NSPCC about them happening now so | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
something has to be done at some point. It has to be discussed. I | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
want to ask you about the former Director of Crewe who has been | :29:36. | :29:43. | |
suspended by Crewe, Dario Gradi. Yesterday he was at Sutton United. | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
They say he wasn't a guest of honour of theirs. The FA tell us Dario | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
Gradi's ban, or suspension, doesn't stop him attending a game as a | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
spectator in a personal capacity, but he was there on the pitch, I | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
think we've got pictures to show that. What's your reaction to that? | :30:04. | :30:11. | |
It's difficult really because I'm quite emotional about everything | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
that's happened and yeah, I was shocked and you know, hurt and | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
angry, I will say that personally I was because there is an | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
investigation going on and that independent investigation will | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
reveal what's revealed, I'm not suggest that anything is going to | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
happen with Dario Gradi, but there is a lot of people that are out | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
there, us survivors, that would be deeply upset by it. | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
Dario Gradi has been suspended pending an investigation suggesting | :30:40. | :30:50. | |
that he smoothed over, that is a quote, an accusation in the 70s. He | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
isn't accused of any abuse himself. There is a meeting next week between | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
the FA, what are you hoping to achieve? I have been talking to an | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
adviser around strategies, how we can make for all a safer place, and | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
that is my mission to, to go and make it a safe place. These | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
organisations have agreed to meet me, and that is progress, and they | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
are all collectively going to meet me and I will discuss those things | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
with them, how we can improve and make it a safer place, also from | :31:25. | :31:31. | |
football coaches, because there are so many brilliant coaches out there, | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
there are loads of strategies we can put in place that we can deliver to | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
them, and hopefully they will assist with safeguarding children. Those | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
who are speaking out, are they getting enough support? Are you | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
getting enough support? That is the other thing. I have been diagnosed | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
with PTSD. I also want to speak to the governing bodies about how we | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
can put things in place for all of the survivors, because there are so | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
many of us now, that is another strategy we need in terms of getting | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
the right help and therapy, because it deeply affects us, as Tony said, | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
and it is still affecting us. Over the last eight weeks or so, I have | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
been really suffering, I have had to see my psychiatrist, and this is | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
ongoing for us, so we do need that support and help, and I have a | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
strategy in place but I want to deliver to them for them to support | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
us, because they owe us that. Tony, can I just read you to three | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
messages from our audience who have been watching speak today. This | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
viewer says, I just want to say what a brave, brave man is with you | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
today. You are an inspiration to others that can't find the strength | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
to come forward, keep your head high and keep speaking out because the | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
whole nation supports you. This tweet from John, I feel so | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
sorry for this man, it is sickening. And also unbelievable that the FA | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
have not yet contacted him. And Patrick says, watching the interview | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
about abuse these young players went through, it breaks my heart. | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
What would you say to anyone who might be considering speaking out, | :33:11. | :33:20. | |
but just doesn't know if it is the right thing. Come forward. Simple as | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
that, come forward. Don't be frightened. This man started it all | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
off, that is why I came forward. Just come forward, because it's big, | :33:33. | :33:40. | |
and it happened, and it happened to a lot of people. And it's something | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
that you can't keep inside yourself for ever. If you come forward, at | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
least you will get some help, and that's my mission, Victoria, so we | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
can get that help, and there is so many more out there. We know there | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
is, we have both said it. Everybody who talks about it says, there are | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
so many more, we know it. When you finally contacted the police, Tony, | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
how different did you feel, once you had taken that step? Like I had got | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
the world off my shoulders. Really? Yes, like I had the world off my | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
shoulders. For so many years, you just want the truth to be told, and | :34:23. | :34:30. | |
to actually get it out and speak to people, it just felt like the world | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
was lifted off my shoulders, because after 35 years I got the chance to | :34:36. | :34:42. | |
tell somebody about it, even if it wasn't in good circumstances or | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
anything. But I was relieved. Thank you very much for talking to us. I | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
really appreciated, thank you. Thank you both coming the programme. | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
Aston Villa told us they consider "the safeguarding and welfare | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
of all players and staff to be of paramount importance. | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
And that they would encourage anyone with any allegation or concern | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
regarding safeguarding or other potential wrongdoing to contact | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
Leicester told us the club has "no indication of any current | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
or historic allegations made against or in relation to employees. | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
"We would, of course, investigate fully in the event any | :35:21. | :35:22. | |
Bruce Elliott, the chairman of Sutton United, says, | :35:23. | :35:31. | |
"Dario Gradi was not a guest of honour at Sutton's FA Cup fourth | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
This was to do with a game that had been played 47 years ago | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
and Sutton United asked all of the players that | :35:42. | :35:43. | |
are still around if they wanted to come to the game. | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
Dario Gradi was one of a number of players from the Sutton United | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
The FA has introduced a dedicated hotline, | :35:52. | :35:58. | |
staffed by NSPCC professionals, which is available 24 hours | :35:59. | :36:00. | |
And you can find a list of other organisations that help | :36:01. | :36:12. | |
with sexual abuse on the BBC Action Line - bbc.co.uk/actionline. | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
And we'll bring you more reaction to that exclusive story | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
Still to come in the next half-hour, as a petition calling for Donald | :36:22. | :36:38. | |
Trump's trip to the UK to be cancelled nears 1 million, we will | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
hear from MPs who are calling on Theresa May to cancel the visit. | :36:45. | :36:51. | |
And MPs are also launching an investigation into how | :36:52. | :36:53. | |
damaging fake news is - the editor-in-chief of one fake news | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
website tells us politicians should focus their attention | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
That's still to come on this mornings programme. | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :37:03. | :37:04. | |
Six people have been shot dead - and eight others wounded - | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
at a Mosque in the Canadian city of Quebec. | :37:08. | :37:09. | |
The Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau described the incident | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
as 'a terrorist attack against Muslims.' More than 50 | :37:16. | :37:16. | |
people were at the mosque at the time of the attack. | :37:17. | :37:29. | |
President Trump has insisted that his travel ban is not | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
about religion, but about protecting America. | :37:33. | :37:33. | |
The restrictions close US borders to all refugees for four months, | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
and to citizens of seven mainly-Muslim countries | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
UK nationals with dual citizenship will be largely unaffected, | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
but could face extra checks if they're travelling directly | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
This programme has discovered that Aston Villa sacked a scout accused | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
of sexually abusing boys in 1988 but did not go to police. | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
20 years later that scout, Ted Langford, was jailed for sexual | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
offences against young boys between 1976 and 1989, | :37:57. | :37:58. | |
a year after he left the club Former professional player Tony Brien says | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
he was abused numerous times by Langford from the age of 12 | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
whilst playing for local youth team Dunlop Terriers. | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
Speaking to Victoria in the last few minutes, | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
he described it as something that is always there which will stay | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
At the time, I would have done nothing, because I thought it was | :38:16. | :38:30. | |
right. But after all the years, now, I just feel dirty. I can't explain. | :38:31. | :38:37. | |
A free school in London is advertising for a "school | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
The advert says they need someone who will be a "sergeant major | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
The advert goes on to say the role isn't suited to someone who wants | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
to be every child's best friend but for someone who believes | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
children need clear, firm discipline. | :38:53. | :38:54. | |
The Department for Education says it is a matter | :38:55. | :38:55. | |
Black actors have dominated the Screen Actors Guild | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
Denzel Washington was named the best actor for Fences. | :39:02. | :39:10. | |
The event was notable for the outspoken criticism of | :39:11. | :39:12. | |
The actor Ashton Kutcher opened proceedings by welcoming | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
"everyone in airports", saying they "belonged in America". | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
Here are some more comments from you messages from Eva Tony Brown and | :39:22. | :39:36. | |
Andy Woodward. Incredible gentlemen, we are all behind you. This one | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
says, this man is amazing, I am a care support worker and I know how | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
people feel in difficult circumstances. For him to speak out | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
is extremely brave. And Veronica, keep going, you brave man, you have | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
been through so much, and we are all behind you. Thank you very much for | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
those. He the sport. It was a weekend of shocks in the FA | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
Cup fourth round. Sutton United joined another non-league team, | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
Lincoln City, in the hat for the fifth round draw after beating Leeds | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
United yesterday. Several former players including Alan Shearer have | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
criticised Premier League and championship teams for fielding | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
weakened line-ups. Celtic extended their unbeaten domestic run 27 | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
matches by beating hearts 4-0 in the Scottish Premiership. Their win | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
broke 50 record set by Lisbon Lions. England captain Eoin Morgan says | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
poor umpiring cost England victory in the second T20 match against | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
India. Jonah Reed was controversially out in the last over | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
as the tourists lost by just five runs. The decider is on Wednesday. | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
And Roger Federer says he has no intention of retiring after winning | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
his 18th grand slam title yesterday. The new Australian open champion | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
climb to tenth in the world rankings after his incredible victory over | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
Rafa Nadal in Melbourne. Did you watch that, Victoria? | :41:00. | :41:07. | |
I listen to it on the radio, and it was fabulous, it really was. Thank | :41:08. | :41:08. | |
you. Prime Minister Theresa May has made | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
it clear the devolved administrations will not be given | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
a decisive role in the UK's divorce from the European Union ahead | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
of talks later this morning Our correspondent Thomas | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
Morgan is in Cardiff. Hello, Tomos, what is happening | :41:22. | :41:38. | |
today? I will be discussing Brexit and what the devolved ministers | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
would like to see. Carwyn Jones of the Labour government here in | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
Cardiff has always said he would like to stay in the single market | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
and have a Norway style soft Brexit where we stay in the single market | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
and people can come to the UK as long as they have a job. That is in | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
fact the White Paper he put to Westminster this time last week, | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
with Leanne Wood of Plaid Cymru. That is in sharp contrast to what | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
Theresa May said just two weeks ago, when she said staying in the market | :42:09. | :42:16. | |
was not going to be in option. Nicola Sturgeon said she and Carwyn | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
Jones share similar views on Brexit, and they both wanted to have a vote | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
in their different Senedd, here adding Edinburgh for their devolved | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
nations. So that they have some sort of say as to what happens in Brexit. | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
But of course what we heard last Tuesday is that there wouldn't be a | :42:38. | :42:44. | |
meeting but there would be a consideration when the Brexit talks | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
continue in Westminster. Are there -- are they going to be able to | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
reach an agreement? Difficult to say, because they are both speaking | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
from completely different points of view and want different things. | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
Theresa May set out what she thought would be the most possible realistic | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
way for the UK leaving the European Union two weeks ago. In sharp | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
contrast to what Carwyn Jones wanted, which was to stay in the | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
single market. He believes it is so important for Wales as businesses | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
rely on the single market. Wales was the only other country in the UK | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
that voted the European Union, but of course Carwyn Jones, First | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
Minister, of labour, campaign to stay in the EU, so difficult | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
position for him to try to get his voice and what he would like to see | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
happen. But with Nicola Sturgeon coming down as Scotland having voted | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
to remain, he does have extra help when they consider these to Scotians | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
later in Cardiff. Thank you very much, Tomos. | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
Tens of thousands of people in America have taken part in protests | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
against President Trump's ban on citizens of seven mainly Muslim | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
The President says the restrictions would be lifted once policies | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
to improve America's security have been implemented. | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
The Foreign Office says UK nationals travelling to America shouldn't be | :44:01. | :44:02. | |
The Foreign Office has now clarified that Brits with dual nationality | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
from one of the seven countries won't be banned from travelling | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
to the States, but could face extra border checks. | :44:12. | :44:13. | |
Here's how the story has unfolded over the last 48 hours. | :44:14. | :44:24. | |
Do you know, if you are Christian in Syria, it was impossible, | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
at least very, very tough to get into the United States. | :44:29. | :44:35. | |
If you are a Muslim, you could come in, and I thought | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
It is, and as my sign says, morally wrong | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
It goes against everything this country stands for, | :44:43. | :44:54. | |
everything this country was built on. | :44:55. | :44:56. | |
It is un-American, it is unconstitutional. | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
It has to be revoked and changed and fought against. | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
When I left home, I was not sure if I was going to make it | :45:09. | :45:30. | |
because there were so many twisting news about people who were detained. | :45:31. | :45:39. | |
The executive order was not very clear. | :45:40. | :45:40. | |
So everybody is panicked right now in Afghanistan. | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
The values that our President seems to have espoused are so not mine | :45:45. | :45:56. | |
I have a toddler at home and I don't want him to grow up in a world | :45:57. | :46:05. | |
where we act from hate and fear of people that look | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
No hate, no fear, refugees are welcome here! | :46:09. | :46:19. | |
The United States is responsible for the United States | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
The United Kingdom is responsible for the United | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
The Prime Minister is not a shoot from the hip type of politician. | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
She wants to understand precisely what the implications are. | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
There is always pressure to respond within a new cycle and so on. | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
Important thing is we are saying that we disagree with it | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
He was elected to say he would do everything within his power | :46:42. | :46:48. | |
to protect America from infiltration by Isis terrorists. | :46:49. | :46:50. | |
Now, there are seven countries on that list. | :46:51. | :46:59. | |
He says he will revisit the policy? Is it a U-turn? Has the White House | :47:00. | :47:06. | |
been knocked by the wave of criticism from around the world and | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
within America, you bet it has. I'm not happy about him coming here | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
until the ban is lifted. Look at what is happening with those | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
countries, how many more is it going to be and what's going to be the | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
long-term effect of this on the rest of the world? The last four or five | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
years have required a degree of caution that we have not been | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
exercising before. I think it is appropriate. Whatever needs to be | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
done, has to be done and this is for the safety of everybody. We feel | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
very threatened in this country and there is a lot of things that the | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
general public don't know about that the Government know abouts as far as | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
security and threats to our country and if they feel this is necessary, | :47:46. | :47:54. | |
then I'm with it all the way. That petition calling for Donald | :47:55. | :48:02. | |
Trump's state visit to the UK to be cancelled, it is 994, 365. It is on | :48:03. | :48:04. | |
course for one million. Let's speak to some people | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
affected by the travel ban. In Chicago is Sananeh Khoshini | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
who is Iranian, her husband Sananeh's parents are currently | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
on holiday in Iran. She's worried that they | :48:14. | :48:20. | |
won't be able to return. Also with us some Brits | :48:21. | :48:22. | |
with dual-nationality. Naz Jahanshahi is an Iranian-born | :48:23. | :48:23. | |
physics student from Manchester. Khaled El Mayet is a | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
Libyan-British businessman. Abdulaziz Lamlum is | :48:28. | :48:35. | |
a Libyan-British film-maker. Yesterday they all thought | :48:36. | :48:42. | |
they would be banned from travelling to the States, but they now know | :48:43. | :48:44. | |
they can travel there, President Trump says his policy | :48:45. | :48:47. | |
is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
for refugees from Ryan Girdusky is a Senior Writer | :48:52. | :48:53. | |
for Red Alert Politics Just explain how this travel ban is | :48:54. | :49:06. | |
going to affect your family. Yes, as you already stated my family and my | :49:07. | :49:20. | |
parents are visiting family in Iraq and based. It will be impacting my | :49:21. | :49:28. | |
travelling plans. Both of our travelling plans to see family in | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
New York and also I do travel for work abroad and that's been impacted | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
by this executive order. You, as I understand it, you have a green card | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
as do your parents and the Trump administration, have now made it | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
clear that anyone with green cards can travel freely, irrespective of | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
where they were born? That has actually not been fully clear. OK. | :49:58. | :50:06. | |
Green cardholders would be allowed to come here. As far as I have seen | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
so far, there has been back tracking. I would love to see | :50:11. | :50:17. | |
something with clarity frommed administration in writing or obtheir | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
website. White House Chief-of-Staff says the order doesn't affect green | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
cardholders moving forward. Does that help? I just, you know, with | :50:29. | :50:35. | |
this situation, you don't know until something forces your hand. So when | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
our parents, when they're coming back, let's see if they are allowed | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
in and allowed on their flight and whether they're detained here. But | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
it doesn't hurt to have some clarity, not just in a press | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
statement, offhand from previous, but to have something that's clearly | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
laid out. Fair enough. Rye arnings are you surprised at the reaction to | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
Mr Trump enacting what he said he was going to do if elected? No, not | :51:02. | :51:08. | |
really. I think that there are people who are very emotional about | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
the issue and there are some who are willing to oppose him at anything | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
when he abolished T Phehlukwayo and you had people like Bernie Sanders | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
praising him. Bernie Sanders was attacked by his own supporters | :51:24. | :51:35. | |
saying how dare you give him any congratulations message. Let me | :51:36. | :51:42. | |
bring in some other people. Abdul and ka lead. Are you emotional about | :51:43. | :51:48. | |
this? Well, I wasn't really emotional. I didn't think I had | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
anything to do with this at all until I got a message saying, "You | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
can't go to America either." I got quite emotional because it means I | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
can't go to America to do my job if needs to be as a film-maker, I do | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
commercial work and if an ad, if I need to make an ad in the United | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
States and I can't go and film there, I just lose work really. Are | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
you emotional about it? Of course, I'm emotional. The main point is not | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
about whether I can travel to States today or tomorrow, or the next few | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
months, for me, it is the backlash, the domino-effect that we might see | :52:27. | :52:28. | |
from this. Already in Canada we have seen what happened in the mosque | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
there. It would be difficult to say that isn't in some way inspired by | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
what Trump has been doing and Brexit. If only in terms of | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
justifying these beliefs. Look at what is happening in Greece. Look at | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
the riots which we're seeing. If you look at GCSEs at 16. If you watch a | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
video from history with the Nazi with their flags, what we saw in | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
Greece looked similar. I'm not saying about Trump as an individual, | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
the specific law he signed today, it is the fct and the backlash that's | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
having, the justification it gives the people who may have harboured | :53:07. | :53:13. | |
some bigoted and racist views, but kept them to themselves, but only | :53:14. | :53:22. | |
spoke to them to people of similar opinions. The shooter in the back | :53:23. | :53:33. | |
was a Muslim? You clearly don't know the facts. Attacking my president. | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
No, that's completely and utterly nonsense and how dare you. How dare | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
you. Regarding the protests in Greece... That's nonsense. As far as | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
a backlash against Trump goes, well considering the polls came out | :53:47. | :53:56. | |
yesterday in many European nations, far-right party, the Freedom Party | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
and Marie Le Pen all leading in polls, apparently it is not that | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
strong of a backlash. That's the backlash right there. The fact that | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
people like Nigel Farage, these right-wing parties are now getting | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
supportment that is the consequence that I am alluding to when I say | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
what Trump is doing is allowing those people to allow the public of | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
other countries to justify supporting those people. What did | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
you think, you are an Iranian born physics student, you're in | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
Manchester. What did you think about the Trump travel ban? I was shocked | :54:33. | :54:39. | |
and surprised and upset because in today's world, you don't expect to | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
have to deal with anything like this. This level of discrimination | :54:43. | :54:49. | |
at all. You know the ban no longer applies to UK citizens unless | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
they're coming from one of those seven countries? Yes. They will face | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
extra checks? That has surfaced overnight, but there is the worry | :55:00. | :55:05. | |
that upon arriving to the US... Sorry, I apologise for interrupting, | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
we're going to hear from Norman. Hi Norman. I have got on my screen the | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
number of people who have signed the petition calling for the state visit | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
to be scrapped and it is cruised above one million people signing | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
that in the past 36 hours. That's not the biggest ever petition, but | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
it has to be one of the fastest petition. So what will happen now is | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
that MPs on the so-called petitions committee meet tomorrow afternoon to | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
decide whether there should be a Commons debate about whether | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
president Trump should come here. Having spoken to folk in Downing | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
Street, they are adamant that this State visit is going ahead come what | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
may. Their argument being that were to scrap it and withdraw the | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
invitation, that would just completely undermine everything they | :55:56. | :55:57. | |
believe they have achieved through that visit to Washington. So they | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
are minded to press ahead with the State visit regardless of this | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
petition, regardless of a likely debate in the Commons and regardless | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
of the outcome of that debate. What do you think of that, despite the | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
petition reaching over one million, Downing Street say look, we extended | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
an invitation for the state visit and it was accepted? Well, it's just | :56:17. | :56:19. | |
something that we're going to have to come to accept. He's going to | :56:20. | :56:27. | |
come to the UK if that's what the Government wants, but he won't be | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
welcomed by the people. Do you agree, Abdul? I really don't know. I | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
will see what Trump, let's see hat impact really does. For me | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
personally, I don't see how it will affect me until now. As a | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
film-maker, again, I have been thinking about this practically, in | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
terms of jobs, not just film making and art generally, there was an | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
Iranian film-maker who was supposed to be at the Oscars and can't go | :56:54. | :57:01. | |
now. Winning his second Oscar, his artistic integrity is down the | :57:02. | :57:04. | |
drain. You have got two passports, is that correct? Yes. You got on the | :57:05. | :57:12. | |
plane to the States and you arrive. You have got two passports and what | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
impact do you think that's going to have? Just to make sure I'm not | :57:16. | :57:27. | |
someone a bit dodgy. I wonder if it would make you think twice about | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
leaving your country for a while? In case you couldn't get back? | :57:32. | :57:38. | |
Absolutely. We have built a home that we value very much and we have | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
family and friends. It does make us decide otherwise. We had to fight | :57:44. | :57:50. | |
hard to be together. We just never thought it would be the American | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
side of our relationship that would give us the most trouble. Ryan, does | :57:54. | :58:01. | |
that, you must feel some sympathy when people like this couple say we | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
are not going to leave the country in case we can't get back to our | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
home and our family and friends? Yes, it is very concerning and I do | :58:08. | :58:12. | |
hope the Trump administration puts out, you know, some kind of document | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
that says what was said on television yesterday reassuring | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
American green cardholders that green cardholder to mattering who | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
come from one of the seven countries that they can freely travel and that | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
their family can come home safe. But a lot of this emotion was set forth | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
by the President Obama administration. Look, six of these | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
seven countries don't have a Government. There is no way to vet | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
some of these people from some of the places. President Obama did not | :58:43. | :58:47. | |
ban specific people from entering the US just because they were | :58:48. | :58:51. | |
citizens from seven countries? President Obama listed those seven | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
countries exclusively, the same seven, and had travel strictions on | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
them. What Trump did was a 90 day hold for six of the seven countries | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
except for Syria which is in the middle of a civil war, it was a 90 | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
day hold which is 87 days, I think. Yes, I hope that American green | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
cardholders have some clarification and they are able to travel freely | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
and their rights are respected. But overall, I do think that there is a | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
campaign on this issue and there is a reason, I think, a lot of his | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
supporters will find it fine. Thank you all very much for coming | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
on the programme. Thank you. The latest news and sport is coming | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
up. Coming up, a school in London is advertising for a school detention | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
director who will be a sergeant major in the detention room. Well' | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
get reaction to this particular job being advertised. We think possibly | :59:49. | :59:51. | |
the first time such a role has been advertised for a school in this | :59:52. | :59:55. | |
country. Before that, latest weather. Here is | :59:56. | :59:57. | |
Carol. It has been a cloudy start to today, | :59:58. | :00:13. | |
look at these pictures from our weather watchers. In Aberdeen, lying | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
snow and clear skies, and in Guernsey, quite a lot of cloud | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
around. This week it will turn more unsettled, spells of rain, that it | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
will be mild and windy, particularly towards the end of the week. This | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
morning temperatures are as low as -10 in parts of the Highlands, so it | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
is cold and frosty with patchy fog around, but that will lift leaving | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
some sunshine. For the rest of England, all of Wales and Northern | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
Ireland, it is fairly cloudy. The rain coming in across the south-west | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
will continue to journey slowly north eastwards through the course | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
of the day, getting into Southern and south-western parts of Wales. | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
Murky and low cloud, Summerhill fog and drizzle in Wales, and Northern | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
Ireland, a fairly dank day, a fair bit of cloud around with drizzle and | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
spots of rain, but then we are into the sunshine across Scotland, | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
beautiful, crisp winter's day, but feeling nippy if you step out. There | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
are areas of cloud, sunny spells, but for much of England, the odd | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
writer break, and for most it will remain cloudy and damp with some | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
drizzle, then the rain that bit further west. Through the evening | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
and overnight, the rain continues to go slowly eastwards. Ahead of it, | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
under clearer skies, there could be some early frost, but that will be | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
replaced by cloud and rain coming in, temperatures up by the end of | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
the night. Quite a different night, for some it will be 16 degrees | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
higher tomorrow morning than it was this morning. Tomorrow again, | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
another cloudy, murky, damp day with hill fog, low cloud and all of the | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
rain moving out of Northern Ireland but remaining across Scotland, | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
England and Wales to different degrees of intensity. For Northern | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
Ireland, it will brighten up. Temperatures picking up as we move | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
further north. For Wednesday, we start off with the rain in eastern | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
areas, but it will tend to move away, leaving a veil of cloud behind | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
it. Towards the West, a return to some rain and windy conditions, and | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
that leads us to the end of the week. It looks like with areas of | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
low pressure coming our way, we will see some wet and windy weather, with | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
gales possibly severe gales. It's Monday, it's 10 o'clock, | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire. This programme has discovered that | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
Aston Villa sacked a scout accused of sexually abusing boys in 1988 | :02:46. | :02:52. | |
but did not go to police. Former professional player | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
Tony Brien has waived his right to anonymity to tell us he went | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
to the club to tell them about the abuse he was subjected | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
to by scout Ted Langford. I was dealing with it, and then I | :03:01. | :03:10. | |
got a phone call to say to me, can you really be dealing with all this, | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
can you be dealing with all the obscenities from the terraces? Just | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
sweep it underneath the carpet, I was told. More reaction to that | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
story after 11. Also, the petition for Donald Trump's visit to be | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
cancelled has reached a million signatures since it was launched at | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
the weekend. They comes after criticism from around the world | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
after restrictions on travel to the night of states. | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
The White House insists that immigration bans against seven | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
countries are not directed against Muslims. | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
If you were a Christian, it was tough to get into the United States, | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
if you were a Muslim you could come in, and I thought it was very | :03:55. | :03:55. | |
unfair. A free school in London | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
is advertising for a "school detention director" who will be | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
a "sergeant major in The role is being advertised | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
by the Michaela School in London - which bills itself as the strictest | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
school in Britain. Time for the latest news. Here's | :04:09. | :04:19. | |
Joanna. and eight others wounded - | :04:20. | :04:27. | |
at a Mosque in the Canadian The Canadian Prime Minister Justin | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
Trudeau described the incident as 'a terrorist attack | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
against Muslims.' President Trump has insisted that | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
his travel ban is not about religion, but about protecting | :04:43. | :04:43. | |
America. The restrictions close US borders | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
to all refugees for four months, and to citizens of seven | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
mainly-Muslim countries UK nationals with dual citizenship | :04:50. | :04:50. | |
will be largely unaffected, but could face extra checks | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
if they're travelling directly Here the last hour, a petition | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
calling for Donald Trump's state visit to the UK to be called off has | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
been backed by more than a million people. | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
This programme has discovered that Aston Villa sacked a scout accused | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
of sexually abusing boys in 1988 but did not go to police. | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
20 years later, that scout - Ted Langford - was jailed for sexual | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
offences against young boys between 1976 and 1989 - | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
Former professional player Tony Brien says he was abused | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
numerous times by Langord from the age of 12 whilst | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
playing for local youth team Dunlop Terriers. | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
Speaking to Victoria in the last few minutes, | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
he described it as something that will stay with him | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
You dream of becoming a professional footballer. You believed things that | :05:35. | :05:47. | |
people said to you. And I would have done anything to become a | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
professional footballer, but I didn't know what I was doing then | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
was actually wrong. Because I trusted adults. | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
Theresa May says she will not "shy away" from tough talks on Brexit | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
when she meets representatives of the devolved governments | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland today. | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
The Prime Minister will chair a meeting of the Joint Ministerial | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
Committee in Cardiff to discuss how all parts of the UK can | :06:11. | :06:12. | |
work together to support trade and investment. | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
Last week the Supreme Court ruled that devolved assemblies cannot | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
Black actors have dominated the Screen Actors Guild | :06:18. | :06:26. | |
Denzel Washington was named the best actor for 'Fences'. | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
The event was notable for the outspoken criticism of | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
The actor Ashton Kutcher opened proceedings by welcoming | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
"everyone in airports" - saying they "belonged in America". | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30. | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
Time for the sport now with Tim. There will be two clubs in the FA | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
Cup fifth round. Sutton United joined another | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
non-league team, Lincoln City, in the hat for the fifth round draw | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
after beating Leeds Leeds made ten changes to their | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
team, and the decision by Premier League and championship teams to | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
feel weak and sizes been criticised by former players. Newcastle fans | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
travel 250 miles expecting their team to win, and he put out a | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
weakened team, Newcastle have one of the best teams in the championship, | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
six points clear with a game in hand of third place. So it is very | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
disappointing. Watford were another Premier League team to get knocked | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
out in the fourth round. They lost 1-0 at League 1 Millwall yesterday. | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
Another former player sat next to Alan Shearer there, Phil Neville, | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
thinks the number of changes made by the bigger clubs is not devaluing | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
the competition. Every team is making changes, not just Premier | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
League teams, so I think it is making the FA Cup better. Once you | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
get to the fifth and sixth rounds, a lot of clubs are playing at home and | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
making changes. We have seen so many upsets so far, it is fantastic for | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
the clubs, and I think it is good to see the kids play. Celtic extended | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
their unbeaten domestic run to a record and went 22 points clear at | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
the top of the Scottish Premiership. Callum McGregor opened the scoring, | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
Scott Sinclair scored twice and Patrick Roberts added another. That | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
win broke the 50-year-old unbeaten record set by Celtic's famous Lisbon | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
Lions team. England captain Eoin Morgan says a poor umpiring decision | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
in the final over cost his side victory in the second 2020 match -- | :08:33. | :08:42. | |
second Twenty20 match against India. England needed just eight runs from | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
six balls when Giroud was given out lbw, although replays showed he | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
actually hit the ball with his bat. England eventually lost by five | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
runs, and the review decision for correcting mistakes made by umpires | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
is not in place in this series, set England had no way to challenge | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
this. If this was a World Cup and we lost a World Cup final, you would be | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
spewing. So the fact that it is not, but there is a concern, there is as | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
much on the line is that is in a one-day game are Test match, so | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
there is no reason why it shouldn't be used. Tennis, and Dan Evans is | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
the new British and two after his impressive run to the fourth round | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
of the Australian open last week. He is up to a career-high 45th, two | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
ahead of Kyle Edmund. Meanwhile several bookmakers have made | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
35-year-old Roger Federer odds-on to win another grand slam tournament | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
after his stunning Australian Open victory over Rafael Nadal yesterday. | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
Federer ended a five-year wait for his 18th major with an epic five set | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
win. When I heard that in Switzerland people were following | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
me, and I saw people just being generally really happy for me that I | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
won a slam again, it is a fairy tale after the comeback to combat this | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
week, the goal was absolutely to be playing, which is why took the six | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
months off and hopefully continue playing for a couple of years. What | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
a story, quite a player, that Roger Federer! Vitoria. | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
This morning, this programme has discovered that Aston Villa did not | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
go to the police after parents and boys raised concerns about | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
He was however sacked by Villa within months | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
20 years later, that scout, Ted Langford, admitted sexual | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
offences between 1976 and 1989, a year after he left the club. | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
This morning in an exclusive interview, former professional | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
player Tony Brien has waived his right to anonymity | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
to tell us about the abuse he was subjected to by Ted Langford | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
whilst at another club, and how he tried to flag concerns | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
about Langford whilst he worked at Villa. | :11:03. | :11:03. | |
I was in shock, to say the least. I asked him, could I not do this at | :11:04. | :11:13. | |
home, or anything like that, and he said no, it needs to be fresh. And | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
he said that the reason why he needed a sperm sample was so that | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
the Leicester City doctors could examine it to see if I had a gene | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
inside of me to make me become a footballer. A footballer's gene? | :11:30. | :11:36. | |
Yes, and being so young at that time, you believe anything. | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
And has been looking into the details of what happened | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
at Aston Villa and Leicester back in the 1980s. | :11:48. | :11:49. | |
Ted Langford had links to Leicester and Villa in the 1980s - | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
This is the only photo we could find of him. | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
We now know he was responsible for abusing a large | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
He was convicted of historic offence ten years ago and was sent to jail | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
And you've found out Aston Villa were aware | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
So we now know Langford was sacked by Villa in 1988 | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
after they received reports of abuse. | :12:21. | :12:30. | |
The club's assistant manager was Dave Richardson - | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
he says he started hearing rumours, spoke to a number of players | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
and went to other senior members of staff at the club. | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
He says took this extremely seriously - held meetings with two | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
The decision was made to get rid of the scout. | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
But the club didn't go to the police? | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
No and this is a key point and says a lot about the way abuse cases | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
These days a club would almost certainly go straight to the police | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
It was a different situation back in the 1980s. There wasn't the | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
safeguarding in place at the clubs. Staff at Villa at the time say | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
they felt they couldn't go that far without getting permission | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
from the parents involved. And - they say - those parents | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
didn't want to take it any further. Dave Richardson - who went on to be | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
head of youth development for the Premier League told us: | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
"I did what I felt was right at the time for the club | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
and the boys who were abused. Parents told me they did not want | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
the matter reported to the police." But Tony Brien also | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
says he came forward? So Tony says he called | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
Dave Richardson at Aston Villa back in 1988 to tell the club he had been | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
abused by the scout. He also said he spoke to another | :13:45. | :13:53. | |
member of staff there at the time. He would have been 18 or 19 | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
at the time so not a child. Tony feels he was put off | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
from going public with the abuse. We spoke to Dave Richards and at | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
Aston Villa. Dave Richardson at Villa | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
initially appeared to agree But in a later statement | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
he said he could not He says he would never tell a victim | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
of abuse not to come forward. What happened to the scout | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
after he was sacked? Nothing from him until he is | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
arrested. One of those offences took place - | :14:29. | :14:50. | |
we believe - in 1989. So the year after he was | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
sacked by Aston Villa. Langford then went to | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
prison and died in 2011. Aston Villa say they are considering | :14:56. | :15:03. | |
the safeguarding of all staff to be of paramount importance, and their | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
courage anyone to come forward with new reports of abuse. | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
It should also be pointed out that Villa was under no legal obligation | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
Even now, that law does not exist. Leicester have also said they will | :15:14. | :15:20. | |
investigate allegations of abuse if they come to light. | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
It's now thought this is a case the FA is looking into as part | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
of its inquiry into sexual abuse in football. | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
Thank you very much, no legal obligation but possibly a moral one. | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
Let's hear more from that exclusive interview with Tony Brien - | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
he describes his abuse in graphic detail - you may not want | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
Where would this abuse take place? He used to take me to a golf course, | :15:44. | :15:54. | |
at the back of the old school that I used to go to, a school in | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
Handsworth and there was a golf course at the back there. And he | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
used to drive up there. That's where it took place. | :16:05. | :16:12. | |
How did it make you feel? At the time, you would have done | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
anything because I thought it was right, but you know, overall the | :16:21. | :16:28. | |
years now, I just feel dirty and I can't explain. It's just, you would | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
have done anything this them days to, you know, you dream of becoming | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
a professional footballer. You know, you believed things that people said | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
to you and I would have done anything to become a professional | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
footballer, but I didn't know what I was doing then was actually wrong | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
because I trusted adults. And when at 14 you told him where to go, what | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
had changed? Did you know that this, that what he was doing to you was | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
wrong? Yeah. It's just, I knew something wasn't right and I knew | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
from, we used to go on trips abroad and you know kids were coming out | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
with love bites all over their neck and everything like that and it was | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
just, it was just terrible to see it. Why did he say he had to keep on | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
doing it? He said that my sperm hadn't come back from the doctor's | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
with the right results. It wasn't a test that was completed properly. It | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
was inconclusive? Yes. So, he would say we would have to do the test | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
again, but he'd leave it for a few weeks. We'd have to do the test | :17:44. | :17:52. | |
again. Unbelievable. Yes. This happened six or seven times over | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
that period of two years or so. How did he treat you after it stopped? | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
After you stopped him? After I stopped him, I used to always be sat | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
in the front of the van when we used to go to matches and I think his way | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
of dealing with it, he put me at the back of the van. And you told your | :18:14. | :18:21. | |
mum, didn't you? When I was 18, I revealed t yes, I did. How did she | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
react? Obviously, she was in shock. No mother likes to see her child | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
hurt. But she only knew about it when I'd actually reported it. | :18:34. | :18:41. | |
We've had lovely comments from you for Tony Brien. A texter says, "Well | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
done, Tony. I bet this is the tip of the iceberg and I bet that football | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
isn't the only sport to be tainted by these sick individuals." Julie | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
says, this is heartbreaking." Rebecca says, "Incredible strength." | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
Audrey, "Abuse of any human being is just out and out wrong. Talking is | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
the way forward. I applaud Tony Brien for speaking outment you were | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
not to blame." This texter says, "This man is amazing. I am a care | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
support worker and I know how people feel in difficult circumstances for | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
him to speak out is brave." Veronica says, "Keep going. We are all behind | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
you." This e-mailer, "I can understand what these guys have been | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
through. For many years, teacher did roughly the same as what Tony went | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
through. If you did what he wanted you to travel in his car to | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
football. For a long time the nightmares would continue until I | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
plucked up the courage to tell me mum." The gentleman today on your | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
programme are to be admired for what they are doing as I know how much it | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
hurts and I'm in hears as I write this. Let's hope this helps with the | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
future of youngsters in any sport." Thanks for those. We appreciate | :20:02. | :20:02. | |
them. Conservative MP Damian Collins | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
leads a group of MPs He has previously told us he's | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
concerned that claims have been brushed under the carpet | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
in the past. Your reaction to Tony Brien's story? | :20:11. | :20:20. | |
Well, incredibly powerful story. I think I salute his bravery in coming | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
forward and speaking about it which is not an easy thing to do. It is | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
concerning as this abuse in football has developed, we are seeing another | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
example of a club being aware of abuse or a complaint or an | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
allegation being made and not referring that to the authorities | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
and I think as part of this investigation, into abuse in | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
football, there has to be greater kks now to the legal obligation to | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
declare and report to the police incidents or allegations where abuse | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
has happened. Even though apparently, parents of two boys who | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
were abused by this scout, Ted Langford, said to the club, "I don't | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
want you to report it to the police." Well, I think, it is a | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
difficult issue. The Government is consulting on this with regard to | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
sporting clubs and we have to look at the abuse and say could | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
intervention earlier by reporting the abuser to the police have | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
safeguarded more of the young people in the care of those clubs? The | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
clubs have the responsibility for the care for the players, the young | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
players in their academies. They are fulfilling their dreams by playing | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
at the club and they trust the club and the club has to protect them. | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
You're right on that point, it was 20 years after Tony Brien raise the | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
alarm about Langford that he was convictedment one of the convictions | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
months after he was sacked by Villa? We would want someone out of that to | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
be out of circulation and face the appropriate criminal charges rather | :21:47. | :21:48. | |
than being allowed to continue his crimes at other clubs. | :21:49. | :21:50. | |
Baroness Joan Walmsley is a Liberal Democrat peer who's | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
campaigned for legislation to force clubs and others to report any | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
I mean, do you feel it is a matter of time now before the legislation | :21:56. | :22:07. | |
is changed? Good morning, Victoria. Well, I certainly think so. It | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
should happen and I hope it will because it is yet another sad day | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
when we have had another courageous footballer being able to come | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
forward and tell how adults around him let him down many years ago. And | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
although I think things have changed a great deal, in those days people | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
were concerned about their corporate reputation if anything was known | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
about child abuse. Now, I think it has changed and people lose their | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
reputation when it is found out that they don't have good child | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
safeguarding policies and that if something happens they don't do | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
something about it. Well, if things... Part of the problem is | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
there is no legal obligation to do something about it. You have just | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
told us that you think things have changed. It would be inconceivable | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
that a club in 2017 would not go to police if reports of abuse were made | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
to them. Why do we need manttry reporting? Well, we are not just | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
talking about football clubs and not just talking about 20 years ago. Up | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
until very, very recently there have been cases in situations where | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
people have care of children, a duty of care of children, where abuse has | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
taken place and people have been so scared of their reputation that they | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
have not come forward and told the authorities. And that's got to | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
change. Do you think Damien Collins it is conceivable that a club now | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
that, that any organisation now, if abuse was reported to them, that | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
they wouldn't go to the police? I think it probably is inconceivable | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
now. It doesn't mean to say there shouldn't be a mandatory | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
requirement. There is something else we have to look at in football | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
particularly with the independent inquiry and that's the safe spaces | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
that allow whistle-blowers to come forward. It is a big step for a | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
young player to take whose entire world admission is to become a | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
professional footballer and will do everything the coaches say to | :24:07. | :24:08. | |
realise that position to be put into a situation where they are a victim | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
of abuse and to have to report that to the club is difficult. We have to | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
look at where are the safe spaces people can come forward and bring | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
the allegations. FA have yet to contact anybody we have spoken to in | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
connection with this case. Does that tell you anything? That's | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
concerning. The FA might want the QCs to handle the complaints, but | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
the FA should respond when a complainant has come forward and | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
make sure their case is being considered as part of the review. | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
David Beckham spoke about abuse in football yesterday. | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
There was never anything at Manchester United and it is | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
disgraceful. Nothing at Manchester United, the closest part would have | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
been certain professionals that if we had gone out of line, they would | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
make us to do a funny dance in middle of the changing room, in | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
front of the professionals. So a degree of humiliation? That's all it | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
was. But that was all to teach us a lesson. There was never any | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
wrongdoing. Do you think that the clubs are doing enough to address | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
it? Do you think the FA's response has been adequate? I would like to | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
think that the clubs are all on board with this and I'd like to | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
believe that the FA are doing everything that they can to find out | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
about the allegations and the more these ex-professionals voice their | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
opinions that's when there will be change. | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
He has confidence in the FA, do you have confidence in the FA? The FA | :25:42. | :25:50. | |
set up a review that is led by someone outside of football and has | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
the power to investigate the allegations and to look at the | :25:55. | :25:56. | |
culture within football and what needs to change. I want to see that | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
review completed and I'm sure my committee 234 Parliament will take a | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
strong interest in their recommendations and how they're | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
implamedded. Can I ask you about another issue, your committee is | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
launching an inquiry into fake news. Can you stop it? Should you stop it? | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
Well, we're particularly interested in malicious content that is | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
entirely fabricated and spread online. So, for example, there was a | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
story from America last year, crime story, that was fake. It was shared | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
by over 500,000 people on Facebook and that story was said that the | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
police found the bodies of 19 white women in freezers, each one of them | :26:31. | :26:38. | |
had got marked on their skin the words, "Black lives matter." | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
Probably inciting hatred and dividing communities. This is highly | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
damaging, it is not just celebrity tittle-tattle, it is really | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
unpleasant stories that are presented as if we're real and | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
spread like wildfire across the internet. There are two things I'm | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
interested in, in particular, should news sources have verification tags, | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
in the same way that Twitter has verification tags and the other | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
thing is the responsibility of social media platform like Google to | :27:10. | :27:17. | |
derank news. Should we consider the real sources of fake news as a | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
similar problem? We are talking to a couple of people who write fake news | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
and satire, they say, you should be looking at newspapers for fake news? | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
Newspapers misreport of the there are the regulatory bodies for the | :27:34. | :27:36. | |
press and we know where they are. Action can be taken. A story can be | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
taken down and corrected or an apology issued. When we are talking | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
about fake news websites based in Macedonia or parts of the world | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
that's difficult to reach even when the story is known to be fake, it is | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
hard to stop it being disseminated online. We have to look at how we do | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
that, how is news presented online and how can we help inform consumers | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
of the news so it is easier to identify sources of news that are | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
likely to be false versus the legitimate sources. Thank you very | :28:05. | :28:06. | |
much, Damien Collins. The FA has introduced | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
a dedicated hotline, staffed by NSPCC professionals, | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
which is available 24 hours You can find a list of other | :28:15. | :28:22. | |
organisations that help with sexual abuse on the BBC | :28:23. | :28:30. | |
Action Line, bbc.co.uk/actionline. We'll bring you more reaction | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
to that exclusive story We will talk to people who write | :28:35. | :28:43. | |
fake news and satire. The editor of one of the websites tell us that | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
really politicians should, but utt out. | :28:49. | :28:50. | |
A free school in London is advertising | :28:51. | :28:52. | |
for a "school detention director" who will be a "sergeant major | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
The Canadian Prime Ted Minister described the incident as a | :28:56. | :29:13. | |
terrorist attack against Muslims. President Trump has insisted his | :29:14. | :29:25. | |
travel ban is not about religion but about protecting America. UK | :29:26. | :29:40. | |
nationals with dual citizenship will be largely unaffected but could face | :29:41. | :29:48. | |
further checks if they enter the US from one of the named countries. A | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
petition calling for a Donald Trump's visit to the UK has | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
attracted more than a million signatures. | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
This programme has discovered that Aston Villa sacked a scout accused | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
of sexually abusing boys in 1988 but did not go to police. | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
20 years later - that scout - Ted Langford - was jailed for sexual | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
offences against young boys between 1976 and 1989 - | :30:11. | :30:12. | |
Former professional player Tony Brien says he was abused | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
numerous times by Langford from the age of 12 whilst | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
playing for local youth team Dunlop Terriers. | :30:20. | :30:28. | |
Speaking to Victoria this morning, he described it as something that | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
will stay with him for the rest of his life. | :30:32. | :30:32. | |
When you dream of becoming a professional footballer, you believe | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
things that people say to you, and I would have done anything to become a | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
professional footballer, but I didn't know what I was doing then | :30:40. | :30:41. | |
was wrong, because I trusted adults. away" from tough talks on Brexit | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
when she meets representatives of The Prime Minister is chairing | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
a meeting in Cardiff to discuss how all parts of the UK can work | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
together to support Last week the Supreme Court ruled | :30:56. | :30:57. | |
that devolved assemblies cannot Black actors have dominated | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
the Screen Actors Guild Denzel Washington was named | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
the best actor for Fences. The event was notable | :31:08. | :31:15. | |
for the outspoken criticism of The actor Ashton Kutcher opened | :31:16. | :31:17. | |
proceedings by welcoming "everyone in airports" - | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
saying they "belonged in America". That's a summary of the latest news, | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom Thank you. Here's the sport with | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
Tim. It was a weekend of shocks | :31:27. | :31:36. | |
in the FA Cup fourth round. Sutton United joined another | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
non-league team, Lincoln City, in the hat for the fifth round draw | :31:39. | :31:40. | |
after beating Leeds Several former players including | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
Alan Shearer have criticised Premier League and championship | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
teams for fielding Celtic extended their unbeaten | :31:48. | :32:00. | |
domestic run to a record 37 matches by beating Hearts 4-0 in the | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
Scottish Premiership yesterday. Their win broke 50 record | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
set by Lisbon Lions. England captain Eoin Morgan says | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
poor umpiring cost England victory in the second Twenty20 | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
match against India. Joe Root was controversially out | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
in the last over as the tourists And Roger Federer says he has no | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
intention of retiring after winning his 18th grand | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
slam title yesterday. The new Australian Open champion | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
climb to tenth in the world rankings after his incredible victory over | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
Rafa Nadal in Melbourne. Downing Street have rejected calls | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
to cancel the proposed state visit by the US President Donald Trump | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
to the UK. Despite more than a million | :32:42. | :32:53. | |
signatures on a position to have the state visit bit cancelled, they are | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
not saying don't, tall, but they don't want it to be a state visit. | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
Number 10 say the invitation has been "issued and accepted." | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
Demonstrations have been taking place in cities and airports | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
across the United States to protest at his plans to restrict | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
Here's how the has unfolded over the last 48 hours. | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
Do you know, if you were Christian in Syria, it was impossible, | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
at least very, very tough, to get into the United States. | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
If you are a Muslim, you could come in, and I thought | :33:19. | :33:20. | |
It is, and as my sign says, morally wrong | :33:21. | :33:28. | |
It goes against everything this country stands for, | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
everything this country was built on. | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
It is un-American, it is unconstitutional. | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
It has to be revoked and changed and fought against. | :33:46. | :33:59. | |
So, should the invitation for a state visit bit withdrawn? Former | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt is here, he thinks it should be | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
postponed. And Labour MP Naz Shah in Leeds says it should be stopped, and | :34:12. | :34:19. | |
he is an extremist. Alistair Burt, postponed until what? Postponed | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
until we have got over this particular period which has so | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
divided people. It was clear from the Prime Minister's successful | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
visit to Washington last week that she can have some impression upon | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
him. We don't know yet how President Trump will respond to people, | :34:38. | :34:40. | |
explain the consequences of his actions, but the bitter decision | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
caused by the decision he made on the travel ban after the Prime | :34:45. | :34:47. | |
Minister left Washington has put the context of the state visit into a | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
different context. But the division remains, even if he changes or | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
modifies this policy, that that that has happened already. And that is | :34:56. | :35:02. | |
true, but as everyone will tell you, there are state visit of all sorts | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
of people to the United Kingdom, it is part of relationship building | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
between the United Kingdom and other people. It is easy to demonstrate | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
against the United States, it is harder to demonstrate against | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
leaders from other places. State visits should be joyous occasions, | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
welcoming occasions, as much as possible, and the difficulty at the | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
moment is it is very hard to see if you are an official in the United | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
States and the United Kingdom, at the moment, that being a visit where | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
the tics of the visit, the reaction of the people on the streets, will | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
be what you would like to see. Downing Street don't agree, the | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
invitation is out there and has been accepted, and it goes ahead. I think | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
the truth of it is that is probably correct. Downing Street is not going | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
to withdraw an invitation, that would be terrible. Whether or not | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
the United States might look at the situation itself and say, there | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
might be a different time to do this. I am not arguing for a | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
complete ban, you have got to have somebody new country, he would then | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
be exposed to what the British press feel about it, what the public feel | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
about it, and who knows where we might be in one of a half or two | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
years' time when the negotiations were leaving the EU have reached a | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
particular stage, the structure conversation we need to have with | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
the United States trade may be in a different place, and bringing the | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
president of the night it to the United Kingdom so he can feel what | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
the relationship is of the country with him and his country is not a | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
bad thing in itself, but I think at the moment, the optics are they | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
visited to be difficult. Alistair Burt, Conservative MP, wanted to be | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
postponed. Naz Shah, what is your position? Good morning. I absolutely | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
agree that it is not a state visit, state visits are reserved for | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
people, statesmen and women, and I can't imagine, I don't feel that | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
Donald Trump deserves to be certainly addressing people on | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
platforms which are given to the likes of Mandela and Nobel Peace | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
Prize winners, because that is not rigid values and not what we are | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
about, and it flies in the face of everything we stand for. We have had | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
visits from senior Chinese officials, we have given them | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
invitations to Buckingham Palace, and people protested about human | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
rights, and the visit went ahead. Is that not what we do? It is, we have | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
conversations, but here is the person who is allegedly a leader of | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
the free world. This isn't where we are in negotiations about human | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
rights abuses, this is a man who is a misogynist, who is racist, who | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
panders to a narrative, who is divisive. If we look at the chaos he | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
has caused across his own assures right now, is this the kind of | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
person we would honour with that prestige at Buckingham Palace? And I | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
would agree with Alistair, absolutely not, certainly not at | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
this time. UN agreement with Mr Byrd, then, that it is a | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
postponement until something changes, until things die down a | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
bit, or are you saying it shouldn't be a state visit. I can't imagine Mr | :38:03. | :38:10. | |
Trump changing any of his rhetoric, if anything he has proved to be very | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
dangerous for the world over in terms of what he has done since he | :38:17. | :38:24. | |
has been elected and taken office. What you think of that? Do talk to | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
Naz Shah. I would agree, the moment we seem to be in a situation where | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
the president is governing as he campaigned. No one was sure whether | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
he would. But also we know from the visit last week that an Nato, | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
torture, when he understands the consequences of his words and what | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
he would like to do and listens to other people, there might be a | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
degree of change, hence my argument to say we need to know more about | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
this presidency. There is no fixed weight yet for the state visit, but | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
recognising those difficulties might be in the interests long-term of the | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
United Kingdom and the United States. We have been placed in a | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
dilemma by his recent actions, and that is tough on the Prime Minister | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
bearing in mind how successful she was in Washington, but there are | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
real difficulties with the president of he goes on governing as he has | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
set out. Naz Shah, do you want to respond? Yes, I hear what Alistair | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
is saying in terms of listening to people and the climb-down if you | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
like an Nato. However, this is a person whose country is having mass | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
protest and is not listening to the people of his very own country, and | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
more people voted for Hillary Clinton, so it really smacks in the | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
face of it is democracy in terms of what we stand for, our British | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
values, to have him have a state visit at all. I think we need to | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
listen to the people, the last count was over a million in literally | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
minutes we are having thousands of people signing this petition, and we | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
should be listening to those that elected us and that we represent in | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
Great Britain and this country, and that stands for British values, | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
democracy. We are a country that invites refugees. We have signed up | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
to those. It is what we do as Great Britain. We do not close our doors | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
to refugees and people fleeing war-torn countries. We do not help | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
refugees because they are Muslims, we help them because it is the right | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
thing to do, because they are fleeing persecution and they need | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
refuge. That is the purpose of it. It is nothing to do with religion, | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
and to bring in the Muslim ban is atrocious. Let's read a couple of | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
messages. Where is the counter petition for millions of us who | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
don't have a problem with Trump's visit? And Tina says, the keyword of | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
all of this is temporary. It is a sensible temporary idea intended to | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
tighten a vetting procedures and prevent dangerous extremists from | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
entering the USA. Alistair Burt, Naz Shah, thank you very much. Could | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
President Trump's policy increase the risk of terrorism on US soil? | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
Iran's Foreign Minister -- Foreign Minister has described it as a gift. | :41:08. | :41:22. | |
-- danger. I can see CIA operatives around the world face Parma, because | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
all the work they have done to build up relationships with their | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
counterparts, US soldiers fighting alongside Iraqis, doing all that | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
work to build this good relationship, and what he has done | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
with this one action is set that all aside and set them back many years, | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
and I think they also need to be aware that terrorists are not coming | :41:42. | :41:48. | |
over the mountains to attack us. Those people are most effective | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
those that are already in our societies. That is a really good | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
point, all the lethal acts of jihadists terrorist and United | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
States have been carried out by either American citizens or legal | :42:01. | :42:02. | |
residents, none have been the work of refugees. Yes, and what we have | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
seen is the Internet being used as a conduit for Isis and Al-Qaeda's | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
message. This plays into their rhetoric that says the US is the | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
great enemy, we need to attack. You are already there, go and attack the | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
US. So it does play into exactly what Isis and Al-Qaeda are saying | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
already. But Mr Trump is delivering on a campaign promise. Absolutely, | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
but he is using a blunt instrument which could have been used slightly | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
better. It could have been better explained, phased in. It is | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
something he has job on and I think it will do the US a great deal of | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
harm. Thank you very much, Chris Phillips from the National | :42:46. | :42:47. | |
counterterrorism Security unit. Thank you. | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
From California we can speak to Amin Jarbasi | :42:53. | :42:54. | |
Three weeks ago his wife and newborn daughter went to Iran | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
so she could see her grandparents for the first time and he's | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
incredibly anxious about whether they will be able to come | :43:04. | :43:05. | |
Thank you very much for talking to our British audience. Tell us about | :43:06. | :43:16. | |
your concerns. Basically, the problem is my wife and I are both | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
legal permanent residents here, and my newborn daughter is a US citizen. | :43:23. | :43:30. | |
The problem is it is not clear whether they can get into the | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
country, and at the moment, I may not be able to leave the country, | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
because I might be barred from re-entering. So they are in Iran | :43:39. | :43:48. | |
right now. When are they due to come back? The original plan was that I | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
would go to Iran to celebrate the Persian New Year in a months, and | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
then we would all come back together. But you are not going to | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
go now? Now it is on a limbo. I have no idea whether I can leave the | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
country, they have no idea whether they could leave the country. We | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
hear different stories, yesterday they said that the ban is applied to | :44:17. | :44:24. | |
green card holders, today they are saying it may not, I don't know | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
about tomorrow. It is confusing. Does your wife have a green card? | :44:30. | :44:37. | |
Yes, we both have. So what they say today is if you have a green card | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
you will OK. Apparently there is a waiver programme that I don't know | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
what it means. This is what I heard, that you have to apply, and I don't | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
know how to apply to that I also talked to lawyers, and they say it | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
is not clear, the situation. When Mr Trump says this is not about banning | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
Muslims, this is about protecting US citizens from extremists. What do | :45:05. | :45:12. | |
you say? I don't know. I actually have no idea about this statement. I | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
am personally very shocked about the whole procedure, about the whole | :45:20. | :45:34. | |
executive order, I am a Yale professor, my wife is an artist, | :45:35. | :45:42. | |
creating beautiful stained glasses. It is just unimaginable to me that | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
we cannot leave here. How is your wife? She's OK, she is | :45:49. | :45:58. | |
with family, and has strong family support in Iran. In terms of health | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
and everything, she is fine. The plan was for her to come back in a | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
month. The only issue now is whether that is going to happen or not. And | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
just to be clear, our problem might be resolved soon. She might build a | :46:15. | :46:21. | |
comeback, I might be able to go there. The situation is it is more | :46:22. | :46:30. | |
than that. It is about all the people that are trapped in airports. | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
There are children, mothers, who cannot join their families, it is | :46:36. | :46:43. | |
just heartbreaking, unbelievable to me. Thank you very much for talking | :46:44. | :46:45. | |
to us. Our guest was an academic Muslim as | :46:46. | :46:56. | |
you heard. Some of you are saying we are | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
promoting the petition. It is newsworthy that it reaches over one | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
million signatures of the that's why we showed it. Lots of you supporting | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
Donald Trump's policy. Gary says, "Over one million votes is not many | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
in a country of over 60 million. Please allow for a petition to allow | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
Donald Trump in to meet the Queen." Phil says, "OK for a state visit | :47:21. | :47:27. | |
from China." Matt says, "I find it hypocritical to prevent Donald Trump | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
from visiting our Queen. It was fine for Mr McGuinness, a terrorist." ." | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
Another viewer, "White hate reporting slash propaganda." Sue, | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
"Trump is sending a clear message that he will be tough on Islamist | :47:44. | :47:45. | |
terrorists." Meanwhile Donald Trump's immigration | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
policy was heavily criticised by actors at last night's | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
Screen Actors Guild in Hollywood. This story is about what happens | :47:51. | :47:58. | |
when we put our differences aside. And we come together as a human | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
race. We win. Love wins. Every time. We're in a really tricky time in our | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
country and things are inexcusable and scary and need action. I'm | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
grateful to be part of a group of people that cares and that wants to | :48:13. | :48:18. | |
reflect things back to society. We will shelter freaks and outcasts, | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
those who have no homes. We will get past the lies. We will hunt | :48:24. | :48:25. | |
monsters. Steve Holden is here. After last | :48:26. | :48:41. | |
year's Oscars when there was no black nominees, hidden figures won | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
best ensemble, that's the true fore of three black women to helped with | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
Nasa's space programme which won Best Film. There was so much | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
anti-Trump sentiment. Lots of people getting on their feet. The man who | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
perhaps got the crowd most geed up was David Harbour who stars in | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
Staininger Things. They went up and he gave a barn storming acceptance | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
speech. We repel bullies. We will shelter | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
freaks and outcasts, those who have no homes. We will get past the lies. | :49:18. | :49:28. | |
We will hunt monsters. And when we are lost amongst the hypocrisy, we | :49:29. | :49:36. | |
will punch some people in the face when they seek to destroy... That | :49:37. | :49:43. | |
clip has been shared a lot today. Special mention quickly to Clare | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
Foy, the only British winner last night. She got Best TV Actress for | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
playing Queen Elizabeth in the Crown. | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
Now, Pope Francis has shocked the World by pledging his | :49:57. | :49:58. | |
A pizza restaurant in Washington DC is the base | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
WikiLeaks has confirmed Hillary Clinton sold weapons | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
Shocker US President Donald Trump was born in Pakistan. | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
A group of MPs is starting an inquiry into the "growing | :50:11. | :50:21. | |
phenomenon of fake news", the deliberate spreading of false | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
information on the internet, and whether sites should be forced | :50:25. | :50:26. | |
The inquiry will examine the sources of fake news, how it is spread, | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
its impact on democracy and concerns about the public being swayed | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
He works for First Draft which investigates sources of fake | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
news and he trains news organisations on how to spot it | :50:40. | :50:52. | |
Do you? I spent the weekend talking to broadcasters. | :50:53. | :51:01. | |
James set up the Rochdale Herald. He says what he does is branded as fake | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
news. He doesn't want us to use his surname. Hi James. Good morning. | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
Tell us about your site then. We started the Rochdale Herald six | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
months ago because we really just wanted to have a bit of fun and to | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
bring a bit of enjoyment to people's days because there are so many dark | :51:20. | :51:22. | |
things happening in the world right now, but sometimes people just need | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
a little bit of light relief. And an example, the governments of Canada | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
and Mexico reached an agreement today to build 50-foot tall walls on | :51:33. | :51:38. | |
the proviso the World Bank lends them the money for a lid! They have | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
got aeroplanes and everything! So why are you or how do you know you | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
are getting mixed up with being perceived as a site that produces | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
fake news? You only have to read the comments on our Facebook page. When | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
people actually believe that what we write is true. It appears that some | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
people just don't have the ability to read past the headline or the | :52:05. | :52:07. | |
first paragraph. Alistair, talk to James. That's a really good point. | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
It is obvious half the time that it is satire? It is. And you know, the | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
website Rochdale Herald you put it up on the Facebook and the web page | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
that it is satire. On social media, the stories are presented in the | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
same way. They appear to be exactly the same in people's news feeds as | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
stories from the BBC or the Guardian. Why is it a problem? | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
People can't actually see or don't notice the brand. They don't notice | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
the news brand. In the Rochdale Herald when you say it is satire, | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
appears in someone's news feeds, people aren't aware of where it is | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
coming from and some stories like that are made up. So what? So what? | :52:49. | :52:56. | |
Would it be fair to say the onion is why people see as being a satirical | :52:57. | :53:03. | |
site. We are no different. I think satire is important. So what if | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
people don't know what the source is or where it is coming from and | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
whether it is clearly labelled satire or fake or legitimate? Who is | :53:10. | :53:16. | |
to say what's legitimate? Into that vacuum when people aren't sure | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
what's true and where it is coming from, certain people are stepping | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
into that space, pushing that can complete falsehoods and trying to | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
push their own agenda. We have seen that last year and we are starting | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
to see it build in Germany and France, people who want to influence | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
the electorate around to their way of thinking and exploiting people's | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
trust in the media or distrust in that space and often you see some of | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
those people saying this is the story the mainstream media don't you | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
to know. And that hooks people in and gets a load of clicks. MPs are | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
suggesting that there was some kind of tools on Google or Facebook or | :53:55. | :53:57. | |
whatever it is, that will be able to work out what is fake and what's | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
not? Yeah. Why would we trust them? I believe what they are talking | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
about is reverse image search it checks one picture against the | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
database of pictures on Google or on Tin Eye or on these services that do | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
that and it will show you where that image appeared before. Sometimes | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
there might be a picture with someone saying, "These are refugees | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
coming to the UK. Do they look like children? ?" It will be from Greece | :54:23. | :54:29. | |
or this is a protest that is happening in London, the BBC aren't | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
covering it. You can do a reverse image and any picture that makes you | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
go wow and gives thaw response should take a second about whether | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
it is being manipulated by someone. How do you spot a fake news story? | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
Give us advice? No quotes. If there are no quotes, no names, and check | :54:50. | :54:57. | |
the about page of a web page. James, thank you from the Rochdale Herald. | :54:58. | :55:03. | |
Check it out. It's a satirical site. It's funny. | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
A free school in London is advertising for a "school | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
detention director" who will be a "sergeant major in | :55:11. | :55:11. | |
The job, with a salary of up to ?35,000 is described like this: | :55:12. | :55:19. | |
Do you believe in children being obedient every time? | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
Do you believe that allowing children to make excuses is unkind? | :55:24. | :55:33. | |
This role is for someone who believes children need | :55:34. | :55:35. | |
This role is for someone who believes tough love | :55:36. | :55:38. | |
is what children need to become better people and grow | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
The role is being advertised by the Michaela School in London | :55:41. | :55:50. | |
which bills itself as the strictest school in Britain and is run | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
It's thought to be the first school to advertise for a school | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
Sadly the school wouldn't talk to us this morning. | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
We can speak now to Sir Bruce Liddington. | :56:07. | :56:08. | |
He's a former head teacher who was the schools commissioner | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
What do you think of the role and secondly the wording of the advert? | :56:14. | :56:21. | |
Well, as far as the role is concerned, this is not something I | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
would ever have considered and I was the head of a big town centre boys | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
secondary school with girls in the sixth form. That's not to say I | :56:30. | :56:36. | |
didn't regard discipline, good behaviour, good conduct, good | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
manners as well as high levels of aspiration as important. I did. But | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
I, it is not a job that I would have considered advertising in this way. | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
As far as the wording of it is concerned, my first reaction on the | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
back of your previous item there was that it might actually be a spoof... | :56:56. | :57:02. | |
Oh god. The school itself might be sending out a flyer to say look, we | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
are really very strict. At the end of the day what it comes down to is | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
whether they can take the parents with them. If the parents think that | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
this role is good then it stands some chance of working. If the | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
parents constantly resist it then it won't I am afraid. | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
Well, that's interesting. It is an advert in the Times educational | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
supplement and we contacted the school for a response, they declined | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
to comment. They didn't say it wasn't true. Yes, bringing the | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
parents with them, that's from a headteacher's point of view, that's | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
crucial, briefly, Sir Bruce, isn't it? Well, yes. I mean the important | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
thing about pupil behaviour and they are children, so they do misbehave | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
sometimes, that's part of growing up. You have to accept that if | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
you're in an authority role, but the vital thing is for them to learn | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
from their mistakes so this That they become good adults. The | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
majority of children want to be good adults and good parents. They want | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
to be something sesful workers and you sometimes have to help them | :58:05. | :58:11. | |
along the way. OK. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
On the programme tomorrow, we'll look at adoption and ask | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
what's causing some adoptions to break down, forcing parents | :58:20. | :58:21. | |
If you have experience, go Do get in touch with me on Twitter. | :58:22. | :58:28. | |
We're back tomorrow at 9am. Have a good day. | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
Oh, my goodness me, I don't like the look of that. | :58:33. | :58:34. | |
The Robshaws are going back in time again... | :58:35. | :58:36. | |
Feel a little bit overwhelmed at the moment. | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
How people did this every day, I don't know. | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
Calf's head. Leave the teeth out of it, won't you? | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
It's incredible, the changes that have occurred in just 50 years. | :58:49. | :58:53. |