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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Joanna Gosling. | :00:11. | :00:12. | |
The vicar's daughter and the billionaire - | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
Prime Minister Theresa May is in Washington to meet | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
President Trump for talks on trade, foreign affairs and strengthening | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
The Prime Minister is the first foreign leader to meet | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
Mr Trump and his team, who are just one week | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
Speaking last night, the president again said he was determined to | :00:29. | :00:38. | |
build a wall between Mexico and the US and suggested taxing the goods to | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
pay for it. People want protection. On the wall protects. All you have | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
to do is ask Israel. They by having a total disaster coming across, and | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
they had a wall. It is 99.9% stoppage. | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
And, with the NHS in crisis, doctors are increasingly | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
We hear from a group of GPs who had to sell off equipment to help cover | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
We will speak to a doctor who are selling the recruitment to avoid | :01:04. | :01:13. | |
getting into debt. -- selling the Mac equipment. | :01:14. | :01:14. | |
A quarter of those living in the UK who survived genocides, | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
including the Holocaust, have experienced discrimination | :01:18. | :01:18. | |
or abuse linked to their religion or ethnicity. | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
On Holocaust Memorial Day, we'll be talking to an Auschwitz | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
We talk to an Auschwitz survivor and a student who says he has suffered | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
racial abuse since he was a child. Lots coming up today on the show, | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
and as ever, we really One of the stories we are talking | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
about is whether six-year-old girls think they are less talented | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
than six-year-old boys. What do you think? | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLive. If you text, you will be charged | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
at the standard network rate. Theresa May will become the first | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
world leader to meet Donald Trump The Prime Minister told senior | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
Republicans last night of the importance of the special | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
relationship between the two countries, but says they cannot | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
return to "failed" military Mrs May will be hoping | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
to lay the groundwork She's also been urged by Labour | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
and Conservative MPs to speak out against the use of torture, | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
after Mr Trump said he supported Here's our Washington | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
Correspondent, David Willis. She arrived on a blustery winter's | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
evening in a city reeling from the effects of the new occupant | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
of the White House. Theresa May will meet | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
with President Trump less than a week after he came to office | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
- a week as unpredictable as any And as the Prime Minister's | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
motorcade wound its way through the streets of the capital, | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
she could probably be forgiven for thinking, | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
will the new relationship be more In Philadelphia, the city | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
of the founding fathers, Mrs May earned a standing ovation | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
for a speech that dwelt on the shared history of the two | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
nations, a relationship which had All part of a charm offensive | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
which she hopes will pave the way So I am delighted that the new | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
administration has made a trade agreement between our countries one | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
of its earliest priorities. A new trade deal between | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
Britain and America. It must serve work for both | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
sides and serve both Later, she'll become | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
the first foreign leader to meet with Donald Trump | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
at the White House, the streetwise New Yorker who, | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
when it comes to trade deals, has vowed he will always | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
put America first. He and Theresa May do | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
have things in common, and it remains to be seen | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
whether they can find common ground just as the UK is preparing | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
to negotiate its departure Let's talk to Carole Walker, | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
who's in Westminster. Carol, he is reportedly calling her, | :03:59. | :04:16. | |
my Maggie. We have had a speech now from her already in the United | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
States, where she has been laying out how she sees the relationship. | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
How has that gone down? Well, certainly that speech from the Prime | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
Minister went down very well with the audience of senior Republicans, | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
but she was addressing. She spoke in very warm and glowing terms about | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
the importance of the special relationship and about the shared | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
values, although there certainly will be some concerns, not just | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
amongst opposition parties, but some Conservative MPs, about this | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
emphasis on shared values with Donald Trump, who, after all, has | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
said that he thinks the water for terror suspects might be a good | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
idea, and is building that very controversial war with Mexico. He | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
says he wants to do so. -- wall with Mexico. He is banning immigrants | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
from certain Muslim countries. When it comes to the issue with torture, | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
there are quite serious implications in terms of the intelligence sharing | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
which goes on at the moment between the US and the UK, when Britain has | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
very strong rules about not dealing with any intelligence that comes | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
from sources when it was extracted by the use of torture. So when I | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
spoke to the Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon a little earlier, I | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
asked him whether the Prime Minister would be raising those concerns | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
directly when she meets President Trump. | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
Schumacher very clear to him the British position on torture and that | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
will not change. -- she will make very clear to him. We oppose | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
torture, and that policy will not change whatever the American policy | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
happens to be. She will make that clear. Will she urged him not to go | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
down that route because it will have severe implications for future | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
intelligence sharing. We worked together on the basis of shared | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
intelligence. You're right, if the American position on torture was to | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
change, there would be implications. She will make that clear to the | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
American Administration. Sir Michael Fallon, that's just one of the | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
issues on the agenda. Theresa May talked last night about a change to | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
foreign policy. No more of what she called the failed interventions of | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
the past. She appeared to be referring to Iraq, but perhaps | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
Afghanistan as well. That might chime with the views of the new | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
American president. Above all, I think Theresa May wants to take the | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
opportunity to get to know the new president. They are very different | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
characters, but she talked on the plane on the way over last night | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
about sometimes opposites can attract. She wants to establish a | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
rapport and a basis for a new economic relationship that can lead | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
to a trade deal in the future, something President Trump has spoken | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
about very warmly indeed. She will want to try to establish good, | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
personal relations with President Trump. But she will be very aware of | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
the concerns of many MPs, even some in her own party back in the UK. She | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
will need to be seen to be challenging him on issues where they | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
disagree, and not pandering so much that she prompts a backlash back at | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
home. The importance of this visit is establishing good, personal | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
relations. But inevitably trade will be talked about. How much are they | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
going to be able to say because there are constraints about how much | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
can be done in terms of any trade deals with other countries while the | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
UK is still in the EU. That's right, the rules say we can't start formal | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
trade negotiations while we are still members of the EU, and it will | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
have to wait until the Brexit process has been completed. But I | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
think the Prime Minister feels it's very important to capitalise on | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
President Trump's signals, that the words he has spoken saying he wants | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
to be putting Britain at the front of the queue when it comes to a | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
trade deal. President Trump is somebody who doesn't like big, | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
multilateral trade deals. He wants to work a bilateral trade basis. He | :08:18. | :08:25. | |
has made it clear that it would be about America first, and that could | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
be a difficulty. The question is whether Britain can drive a hard | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
enough bargain to make sure a future trade deal doesn't just mean lots | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
more American goods being imported into the UK. And there are other big | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
differences when it comes to trade. We have very different standards | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
when it comes to environmental regulations to some of the food and | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
hygiene regulations. For example, some American products, cars and so | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
on, aren't necessarily things that sell well in the UK. The Defence | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
Secretary said this morning there could be a mutually beneficial trade | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
deal. But we should be in no doubt that given President Trump's | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
background, he will drive a hard bargain. Thank you very much. We | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
will speak to a former economic adviser to President Trump as well | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
as a former EU trade commissioner in a little while. We will also talk to | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
the trade of the foreign affairs select committee. Let us know if you | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
have any thoughts we could bring to that conversation. | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
Hundreds of millions of pounds promised to schools in England have | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
The money had been announced last year as part of a plan to turn | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
But the Department for Education has revealed that when the compulsory | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
academy plan was ditched the Treasury took back | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
Our Education Correspondent Sean Coughlan reports. | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
Head teachers in West Sussex and other parts of the country have | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
been warning that schools are running out of cash. | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
But only last year, the government announced an extra ?500 million, | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
for schools as part of their plan to turn every school | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
School leaders have been asking what ever happened to that money? | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
But it has now emerged that when the academy plan was abandoned, | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
most of the money, ?384 million, was in fact taken | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
The Education Department said this was the right thing to do. | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
The schools are receiving record levels of funding, | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
Head teachers are furious that so much money could appear | :10:28. | :10:35. | |
and then disappear when schools are struggling to make ends meet. | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
A teenager has been charged with murder after a 15-year-old boy | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
was stabbed near his school in north-west London. | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
Quamari Serunkuma-Barnes was attacked in Doyle Gardens | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
on Monday, just as other children made their way home from school. | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
The suspect, who is also 15 and cannot be named for legal | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
reasons, will appear before Willesden Youth Court later today. | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
Jeremy Corbyn faces more dissent in the Labour Party today, | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
as the party whip, Jeff Smith, says he'll defy the leader and vote | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
against the Government Bill that will trigger Article 50. | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
The MP said he wasn't convinced the Government had | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
The Shadow Transport Minister, Daniel Zeichner, has also said he'll | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
oppose the legislation, while Tulip Siddiq has | :11:17. | :11:18. | |
resigned from the front bench over the issue. | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
Plans to restrict some hip and knee operations in Worcestershire have | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
been described as "alarming" by the Royal College of Surgeons. | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
Three clinical commissioning groups in the county want to restrict | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
They hope the move can save around ?2 million. | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
But they insist they will continue to carry out more operations | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
than many other parts of the country. | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
Three GPs have told this programme they're having | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
to sell their sell their equipment to avoid going into personal debt | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
The Studley Health Centre in Warwickshire shut permanently | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
because the partners that ran it claim they were no longer | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
The doctors are trying to raise around ?40,000 to cover | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
The Department of Health says it has invested an extra | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
And we'll be speaking to one of the GPs from that surgery, | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
and a former patient, just after 9:30am this morning. | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
The taxman's failure to get tough with the super-rich could undermine | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
confidence in the whole system, according to MPs. | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
The Public Accounts Committee says the amount raised each year | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
from wealthy individuals has fallen by ?1 billion, | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
and there needs to be a tougher approach. | :12:30. | :12:31. | |
HM Revenue and Customs has rejected any suggestion of special | :12:32. | :12:33. | |
A study in the United States suggests girls start to see | :12:34. | :12:41. | |
themselves as less talented than boys do when they | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
The researchers described the results as disheartening, | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
and said such views were likely to shape girls' decisions about | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30am. | :12:50. | :12:59. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
If you have any thoughts on Theresa May's visit to the United States, we | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
would love to hear them, and what about the latest report that | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
indicates six-year-old girls do not think they are as competent as | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
six-year-old boys. Where do they get that message from? Let us know your | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
thoughts if you have young children. And Will, they're rolling back the | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
years at the Australian Open tennis. It's a bit like an over 30s holiday | :13:29. | :13:41. | |
camp in Melbourne this year. 30-year-old Rafa Nadal hoping to | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
meet 35-year-old Roger Federer in the final of the Australian open but | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
he needs to get past a Grigor Dimitrov. That semifinal is | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
underway. It's 4-1 to Nadal, a good start. He hasn't reached a final | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
since the 20 14th French Open, his 14th Grand Slam. The Spaniard has | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
been troubled by injury in the recent years. If he beats Dimitrov | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
today then all four singles finalists will be aged over 30. | :14:08. | :14:17. | |
35-year-old Serena Williams meet 36-year-old sister Venus Williams. | :14:18. | :14:25. | |
Serena hoping to earn a record 23rd grand slam final. It's their first | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
final together in a Grand Slam since Wimbledon 2009. Serena won that won | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
in straight sets. Dimitrov has never reached a Grand Slam final. He's | :14:38. | :14:48. | |
Roger Federer going for Grand Slam number 18 after beating fellow Swiss | :14:49. | :14:56. | |
Stan Wawrinka yesterday. And Gordon Reid has achieved the career grand | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
slam. The wheelchair doubles at the Australian open. And he's only 25, | :15:05. | :15:05. | |
and got the whole set. I love the way you talk about over | :15:06. | :15:17. | |
30 is being old, I am sure it is in sporting terms let's talk about | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
another guy way off his 30s, Anthony Joshua will be facing bad amir | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
Klitschko with a huge crowd expected to turn out. -- Wladimir Klitschko. | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
Yes, this is boxing history, 90,000 people can attend that fight, for | :15:33. | :15:40. | |
the IBF title and the vacant WBA super heavyweight title as well, | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
that is on the 29th of April at Wembley, and it will match the | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
British record set at White City back in 1939. Crowds are usually cap | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
that 80,000, because the transport networks cannot cope with it, but | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
London mayor Sadiq Khan has come to an agreement with Network Rail and | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
Transport for London to get more services in place. Eddie Hearn said | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
that Sadiq Khan urged me to bring the biggest fights to the city, and | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
he is delighted to have the biggest fight in British boxing history at | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
Wembley. He also promoted the 2014 rematch between Carl Froch and | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
George Groves which said the current post-war record of 80,000, bringing | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
in more than ?20 million. When you meet someday like Anthony Joshua, if | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
you go to its fight, you realise how lucky is by boxing fans, sports fans | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
in general. He acknowledges the whole crowd, and that 27, to bring | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
in 90,000 with a huge career head of him, for a heavyweight, astonishing | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
stuff. Great, thank you very much, see you | :16:45. | :16:46. | |
later. A new dawn is breaking - | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
Prime Minister Theresa May's verdict on the change in the White House | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
as Donald Trump ends his first week Today Mrs May will meet him - | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
the first foreign leader to do so. the other a billionaire star | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
of reality TV. There are frequent and regular | :16:59. | :17:06. | |
meetings between British Prime Ministers | :17:07. | :17:08. | |
and American presidents, but few will be as significant | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
as the visit to Washington today. The Prime Minister will be hoping to | :17:12. | :17:22. | |
prepare the ground for a trade deal after Brexit. | :17:23. | :17:23. | |
Speaking last night to a group of Republican politicians | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
in Philadelphia, Mrs May was very clear about her plans | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
A new trade deal between Britain and America must work for both sides and | :17:29. | :17:37. | |
serve both of our national interests. It must help to grow our | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
respective economies and to prepare the high skilled, high paid jobs of | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
the future for working people across America and across the UK. And it | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
must work for those who have too often felt left behind by the forces | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
of globalisation. Theresa May is the first foreign head of government to | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
speak to Republican Congressmen. It is my honour and privilege to stand | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
before you today in this great city of Philadelphia, to proclaim them | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
again, to join hands, as we pick up that mantle of leadership once more, | :18:13. | :18:20. | |
to renew our special relationship, and to recommit ourselves to the | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
responsibility of leadership in the modern world. And it is my honour | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
and privilege to do so at this time, as dawn breaks on a new era of | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
American renewal. I speak to you not just as Prime Minister of the United | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
Kingdom, but as a fellow conservative who believes in the | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
same principles that and up in the agenda of your party, the value of | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
liberty, the dignity of work, the principles of nationhood, family, | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
economic prudence, patriotism and putting power in the hands of the | :18:58. | :19:06. | |
people. Well, she was keen to stress the special relationship between the | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
two countries. We have the opportunity, indeed the | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
responsibility, to renew the special relationship for this new age. We | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
have the opportunity to lead together again. Because the world is | :19:22. | :19:29. | |
passing through a period of change. And in response to that change, we | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
can either be passive bystanders, or we can take the opportunity once | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
more to lead and to lead together. On foreign policy, she said the two | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
countries must always stand up for their respective friends and allies. | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
The days of Britain and America are intervening in sovereign countries | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over, but nor can | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
we afford to stand idly by when the threat is real and when it is in our | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
own interests to intervene. We must be strong, smart and hard-headed, | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
and we must demonstrate the resolve necessary to stand up for our | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
interests. And whether it is the security of Israel in the Middle | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
East, or the Baltic states in Eastern Europe, we must always stand | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
up for our friends and allies in democratic countries that find | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
themselves in tough neighbourhoods too. | :20:27. | :20:36. | |
APPLAUSE Well, the speech went down well, as | :20:37. | :20:45. | |
you saw, the visit comes amid rows over who will pay for President | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
Trump's controversial wall along the US border with Mexico. | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
In an interview on Fox News, Donald Trump reiterated why | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
And yet it is good for the heart of the nation in a certain way, | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
because people want protection. And a wall protects. | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
They were having a total disaster coming across, | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
and they had a wall. It's 99.9% stoppage. | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
A proper wall, not a wall that's this high, like they have now. | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
I don't know why they even wasted their time... | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
If you ever saw where they built a little ramp over the wall, | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
I don't even know why they built a ramp. | :21:25. | :21:26. | |
You're talking about a real wall, impenetrable? | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
I'm talking about a wall that's got to be like serious. | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
And even that of course you'll have people violate it. | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
But we'll have people waiting for them when they do. | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
who has been an economic advisor to Donald Trump, | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
MP Crispin Blunt, chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
who worked for the EU Commission for Trade for 30 years. | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
Thank you all very much for joining us. Crispin Blunt first of all, how | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
tricky is this visit for Theresa May to navigate? We have already heard | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
his speech, watched you think about the difficulties for her and how | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
well she has acquitted herself so far? Well, I think she gave a | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
terrific speech to the Republican caucus in Philadelphia, you could | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
see how warmly it was received. And within the Trump administration, | :22:25. | :22:26. | |
obviously you got different signals being sent out, so all this | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
controversy about what the president said about torture, but what people | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
have not commented on is that he said he would take his lead from his | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
Defence Secretary, General James Mattis, from the head of the CIA, | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
claim they are against torture on ethical and practical grounds. The | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
indicated he will be led by the experts see as appointed to his | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
administration, which is quite a good sign. The relationship Theresa | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
May has got to get with the president is to support British | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
interests, and many of those interests are the same as some of | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
the senior and powerful figures that Donald Trump as appointed to his | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
administration. So in the internal administrations dynamic, the Prime | :23:08. | :23:09. | |
Minister of the United Kingdom can be a useful voice into the White | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
House, supporting the analysis of the Secretary of State, the Defence | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
Secretary and the head of the CIA, who share Britain's outlook on the | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
world. Bearing that in mind, the fact that you points to others who | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
he has said he will listen to, he can send out a strong signal and | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
say, this is what I think, but I will listen to them, he will play | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
those two difference dynamics. How forceful should she be when she is | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
talking about something like that? Does she need to be forceful? She is | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
a very good listener, and she speaks calmly, and people listen to her, | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
and she carries a quiet authority with, and I don't think she needs to | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
change your style or her with Donald Trump. The president has already | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
made clear that he sees her as his Maggie, as he puts it. We need to | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
remember the religion share between Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
was not always sweetness and light. -- the relationship. On Grenada, she | :24:11. | :24:19. | |
felt the need to intervene in the internal administrations debates to | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
forcefully put the British view, the dorks with the Soviet Union at | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
Reykjavik on nuclear disarmament were another example as to where she | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
forcefully engaged to contradict the direction where she saw Ronald | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
Reagan was taking Western policy. So that was a relationship where there | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
was mutual respect, and that is what we have got to achieve. Some people | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
might have blanched at some of your language, so apologies if you did, | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
very sorry if any offence was called. That is my soldierly | :24:50. | :24:59. | |
background! Betsy McCoy, you are a former adviser to Donald Trump on | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
the economy, Crispin Blunt Saint Theresa May is a good listener, how | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
would you characterise him? -- saying. What I would stress is that | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
she was so warmly received yesterday by the Republican Party, and the | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
Trump administration appears to have such deep respect for the history of | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
this relationship with Great Britain, with the values of the | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
nation, the work ethic of the people, and as you know, Donald | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
Trump personally has strong ties to your country, his mother was | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
Scottish, and so she is being welcomed with open arms to a party | :25:41. | :25:48. | |
and a leader who wants to do a trade deal, and who wants to have a strong | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
relationship of mutual respect and affection. And when she evoked the | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
very special relationship between Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher | :26:01. | :26:07. | |
yesterday, you could see that she was applauded so warmly, so | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
enthusiastically by the President's party that I think this is going to | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
be the beginning of a very strong relationship. Obviously, we hear all | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
of those welcoming words, the fact that he feels this great affinity to | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
the United Kingdom. When it comes down to brass tacks, though, he is a | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
hard-nosed businessman, and the message is that he is sending out | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
about America first, what sort of room for manoeuvre does that mean | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
when it comes to a trade deal in our interests? Well, plenty, because as | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
you say, your Prime Minister says exactly the same thing. The reason | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
these two, I predict, will get along just fine, it is really going to be | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
a love fest, is that both of them are committed to national | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
sovereignty, to putting their national interest first. Unlike | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
President Barack Obama, who was so critical of Brexit, Donald Trump | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
applauded Brexit from the beginning. President Obama told the British | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
they would have to go to, quote, the end of the queue if they voted for | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
Brexit, whereas Donald Trump is welcoming your Prime Minister with | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
open arms to negotiate a trade deal. So there is the difference, two | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
countries can have strong commitments to their own people and | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
still see many mutual interests. Let's bring in Roderick Abbott, you | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
worked for the EU commission on trade for 30 years, obviously very | :27:35. | :27:42. | |
appealing when the petition has gone from a president who said the UK | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
would be at the back of the queue to a president saying the UK is right | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
at the front of the queue, what you see has the potential for a trade | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
deal? Yes, well, good morning. I think the first thing to say is | :27:57. | :28:04. | |
that, between a special relationship type of getting together and a trade | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
agreement, they are two very different sorts of things, and if | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
you are fine on one, because you have got all the history, you are | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
not necessarily fine on the trade agreement. It is also true that both | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
sides would be looking for their own national interest, that is clear. | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
How do I see this? I don't think there's going to be anything done | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
very, very quickly in terms of concluding anything. I think they | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
are in a preliminary stage where they are meeting each other, and | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
they will be setting out a certain number of general principles and | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
things, and that will lead onto informal discussions over the next | :28:50. | :28:58. | |
months. Crispin Blunt, how do you see the timing? Obviously, there are | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
rules that mean there cannot be any formal negotiations before the UK | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
leaves the EU, but all the messages coming out of the United States are | :29:07. | :29:08. | |
that there is no reason why they could not effectively sew something | :29:09. | :29:16. | |
up quickly and quietly that could come into force then. You could have | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
the discussions, and trade experts say you could have discussions but | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
not formal negotiations, exactly as you said, but we won't know exactly | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
the shape of the deal that the United Kingdom gets as we leave the | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
European Union, and what freedom that then gives us to negotiate our | :29:36. | :29:43. | |
own trade deals in terms until we have signed a deal and left the | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
European Union. So these discussions will have to take place in principle | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
between the parties, but what is different about these is the | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
politics of this deal - you saw the warmth of the reaction that Theresa | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
May got from the Republican members of Congress, and of course their | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
trade ago shaders in a United States report to Congress, and usually they | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
are really tough because they are looking after individual businesses. | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
-- trade negotiators. This is an occasion where political pressure | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
and the need for both countries to be able to do 80, there is a | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
slightly different dynamic compared to other deals. -- to do a deal. | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
They will be saying to their negotiators, get the deal done. The | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
details may be less important than securing a deal, securing the | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
argument for free trade in the United States, which is very | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
important, as well as the UK showing that the world wants to do business | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
with us as we leave the European Union. How will it be seen within | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
the EU? Donald Trump's approach would look like classic divide and | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
rule, he prefers to deal with individual countries in bilateral | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
negotiations, rather than dealing with trade blocs. As other EU | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
countries going to crucial election is this year, how does that dynamic | :30:58. | :30:59. | |
play out? My first comment was that the | :31:00. | :31:12. | |
politics which apply to the special relationship and the contacts with | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
the Republican party and so on, don't necessarily spill over into | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
trading because trade people in that community are very Mac and to list | :31:22. | :31:37. | |
-- are very mercantilist. I imagine what Theresa May will look for is | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
what she said, a bold and ambitious free trade agreement. And you can | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
start to sketch out what that would mean. You might use as a model the | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
TTIP, which is probably now in GDP freezer. It could be a good model, | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
but I don't think you're going to get very far along the road until | :31:58. | :32:05. | |
you see that the UK in relation to the United States is a much smaller | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
target than the EU in relation to the United States. The dynamics in | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
the bilateral relationship would be different to the dynamics with the | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
EU. It means the European market I'm afraid is less attractive because | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
it's a smaller population and you therefore have a smaller number of | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
consumers and that kind of thing. Is it fair to say that Donald Trump | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
prefers to have deals with individual countries rather than | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
trading blocks because it's easier, because you have more clout and | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
therefore, is it an appealing dynamic for Donald Trump to be | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
warmly welcoming the United Kingdom when there are other EU countries | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
who might be thinking, we might be all right out of the EU as well? I | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
think it's a lesson the entire United States has learned, that in | :33:02. | :33:09. | |
multilateral trade negotiations, often the interests of the United | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
States are lost on the table in favour of the interests of the | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
entire group. You can see how that would typically happen. Whereas in | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
bilateral trade agreements the United States can secure its | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
interest at the bargaining table and nobody is a better bargain than | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
Donald Trump, that's why the Americans elected him president, to | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
get this nation a good deal. I believe the Americans could they | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
strongly trade relationship and strong overall relationship with | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
Great Britain is a big winner. You can see that yesterday when the | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
Republican majority in Philadelphia, and they will be the ones affirming | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
any trade agreement, gave her such a warm welcome. A quick final | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
thoughts, Crispin Blunt, are we weaker in these negotiations by | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
being on our own? Relative to the European Union in conducting these | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
negotiations, yes, in absolute terms. But the politics of the deal | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
are actually rather different than a classic United States- EU deal, | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
which has taken decades to negotiate and has run into what looks like | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
terminal trouble. The bilateral politics and the need for both | :34:20. | :34:26. | |
governments to secure, going into the electoral cycle for both | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
governments in 2020, there's big political pressure on the | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
negotiators to get a deal done and not behave in way trade negotiators | :34:33. | :34:39. | |
usually do, which is very dry and mercantilist, as is described. The | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
dynamic is different around this deal. So let's hope the politicians | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
direct the trade negotiators to be sensible and get a deal done in the | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
mutual interest of both countries to reinforce what's going to be a | :34:53. | :35:00. | |
deeper special relationship. Thank you all very much. Still to come... | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
And with the NHS in crisis, doctors are increasingly | :35:07. | :35:08. | |
We hear from a group of GPs that had to shut down their surgery for good. | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
They even had sell off equipment from their practice | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
And more than a quarter of survivors of the Holocaust living in the UK | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
still face anti-Semitic abuse or discrimination. | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
We'll be talking to two British Jews about their experiences. | :35:25. | :35:31. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :35:32. | :35:40. | |
Theresa May will today become the first world leader to meet Donald | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
Trump since he became US president. She told Republicans yesterday of | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
the importance of the special relationship between the two | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
countries at but says they cannot return to failed military | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
interventions. It's expected a post Brexit trade deal will be high on | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
the agenda at today's meeting in the Oval Office. Hundreds of millions of | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
funding promised to schools in England last year has been taken | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
back by the Treasury. The money had been announced to fund a plan to | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
turn all schools into academies. The Department for Education says that | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
it was appropriate to return funds of the project did not go ahead. | :36:18. | :36:31. | |
A teenager has been charged with murder after a 15-year-old boy | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
was stabbed near his school in north-west London. | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
Quamari Serunkuma-Barnes was attacked in Doyle Gardens | :36:37. | :36:37. | |
on Monday, just as other children made their way home from school. | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
The suspect, who is also 15 and cannot be named for legal | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
reasons, will appear before Willesden Youth Court later today. | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
Plans to restrict some hip and knee operations in Worcestershire have | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
been described as "alarming" by the Royal College of Surgeons. | :36:49. | :36:50. | |
Three clinical commissioning groups in the county want to restrict | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
They hope the move can save around ?2 million. | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
But they insist they will continue to carry out more operations | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
than many other parts of the country. | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
A study in the United States suggests girls start to see | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
themselves as less talented than boys do when they | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
The researchers described the results as disheartening, | :37:07. | :37:09. | |
and said such views were likely to shape girls' decisions about | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
Bring in some comments on the research on six-year-old girls. John | :37:13. | :37:21. | |
has e-mailed to wonder about the research. He says we now know there | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
are more young women at University in the US than young men. What | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
happens between six and 16 that changes these apparently | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
contradicting sets of data? Another tweet, I think girls are more judged | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
because of social media, which is sad. An anonymous text asks, why are | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
six-year-old girls being asked this question? Thank you for your | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
comments. Keep them coming in. We will talk more about it later. Now | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
time to catch up with the sport. Rafa Nadal has just taken the first | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
set against Grigor Dimitrov in the Australian open semifinal. The | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
Spaniard has reached a major final since winning his 14th Grand Slam at | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
the 2014 French Open. He got the break he needed to take the opening | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
set 6-3. It's 1-1 in the second and the winner will face Roger Federer | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
for the title on Sunday. Manchester United are through to EFL court cup | :38:14. | :38:23. | |
quarterfinal. They lost 2-1 against Hull, the bringing an end to their | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
17 match unbeaten record. They face Southampton at Wembley next month. | :38:28. | :38:36. | |
Nottingham Forest have asked Bilton Albion -- Burton Albion to speak to | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
manager Nigel Clough. There will be a post-war record crowd of 90,000 at | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
the anti-would Joshua Wladimir Klitschko fight at Wembley next | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
month. Three GPs that gave up running | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
a surgery in a small village say they're now having | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
to sell their equipment in order The Studley Health Centre | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
in Warwickshire shut permanently on the 31st of December | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
because the partners that ran it claim they were no longer | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
able to make a living. Now the doctors are trying to raise | :39:09. | :39:10. | |
around ?40,000 to cover The surgery had around 2000 | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
patients, and has been Let's talk to Dr Lars Grimstvedt, | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
who was one of the partners at the Studley Health Centre, | :39:20. | :39:26. | |
Dr Krishna Kasaraneni from the British Medical | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
Association's GP Committee, and from Birmingham is Hazel Wright, | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
who was a patient at For more than 40 years. Why was it | :39:32. | :39:47. | |
that the practice was not viable? The main issue was being a small | :39:48. | :39:55. | |
size. We were a small village so we focused on looking after patients | :39:56. | :40:02. | |
and offering continuity of care. They could see the same doctor every | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
time they came in and we could offer good appointments. They didn't have | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
to wait long to see us. Talk is through the figures. Where was it | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
not adding up? How did outgoings compare with income? To do this we | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
had to put in quite a lot of time as doctors. We only get a set amount of | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
money per patient per year. Is that ?80? Tail it's about 80 or ?85. That | :40:27. | :40:36. | |
doesn't take into account the amount of appointments we have available. | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
We could see a patient wants or ten times. There have been contractual | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
changes meaning the amount we get paid will be decreased every year | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
for the next five years. There is also an increase in demand. We are | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
having to see more patients, and also more nonclinical work we have | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
to comply with. Just cutting through, on whether a practice is | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
viable or not, if you have 2000 patients and you get ?80 per | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
patient, but each of those patients might come once a year, it's fine, | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
but if you have maybe an ageing group in that 2000, they are coming | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
lots of times a year and it becomes an issue. Was that the issue for | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
you? It is. Also the fact that costs were going up. Wages were going up, | :41:22. | :41:28. | |
and the income was going down. And the pressures worded so that we were | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
spending more and more hours seeing patients, longer days, 12 hour days, | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
and it's exhausting because you don't get on top of your workload. | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
There is always more work coming in. You thought a merger might work. You | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
are not the only practice in an area of 6000 people. Why didn't a merger | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
work? We explored a merger and worked really hard to see if it | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
could be a possibility but we were told that it wouldn't be an option | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
for us. I'm still not... I haven't been given an official reason why it | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
wasn't and I'm still trying to find out. From the BMA's GP committee, | :42:09. | :42:18. | |
the Department of Health says it's always been a case that some GP | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
practices open, close and merge over time. What's important is patients | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
get access to the services they need in all parts of the country. In the | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
end, if a practice isn't viable, this is the only outcome, isn't it? | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
That's a short-sighted comment from the Department of Health. The reason | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
being, of the last few years we have noticed that GPs up and down the | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
country, workload has increased significantly. Part of that is | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
because the NHS has been a victim of its own success. People live longer | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
with more health conditions, so they need more care in the community. | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
Unfortunately funding hasn't kept pace with that. We have been warning | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
the government that if funding doesn't keep pace to provide a level | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
of service nations need, GPs will leave. Numbers came out two days ago | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
showing the numbers of GPs from 2009 to last year has dropped by 3500, | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
including GPs in my own practice you have moved to Canada. We have now | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
reached the point where the workload has increased so much and funding | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
isn't enough to keep up the pace. The funding model of ?80 per patient | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
per year being a fixed amount. How would you see it working better? | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
Presumably it would be linked to the number of times somebody is | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
visiting, and then the bill could potentially go up exponentially for | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
the health service. The reality is that the funding isn't enough. We | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
are asking the government to increase funding to keep up the pace | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
with demands on the health service and general practice so we can | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
provide the level of service patients have been used to. What | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
would you see as a model that could work? One of the things NHS England | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
has declared is an extra ?2.8 billion by the end of this | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
Parliament. The problem with something like this, yes, it's an | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
investment and a welcome opportunity for the government to invest in | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
general practice, but if a patient rings for an ambulance with chest | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
pain,, that money will not make a difference, the ambulance is needed | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
now. Unfortunately Parliament continues to interfere with the | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
health service too much political cycles rather than need. We need | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
investment urgently available to GP practices now to maintain and | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
improve services for patients. A number of GPs have been leaving the | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
service. Are you aware of how many practices are closing? The numbers | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
are difficult to pin down, but we know eight out of ten GPs are | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
reporting that the level of service they are providing for patients has | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
deteriorated in the last year and we know that one in three GP practices | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
in the country have permanent vacancies where they cannot fill GP | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
places. Depending on the situation, some will be looking to close | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
practices and patients who are used to access in their local GP for a | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
period of time will no longer be able to see their GP. | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
Hazel, I mentioned you had been a patient at that surgery for more | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
than 40 years, how do you feel about and closing? Quite angry, and so do | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
a lot of residents, and it is an anger that really escalated, because | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
Studley seems to be losing all these services. We have lost the Fire | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
Service, the library, which is now manned by volunteers. We have at the | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
banks close, you name it, we have lost it. And really, this was really | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
angry, it made people really angry that this was happening now, that | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
the doctors were going, especially those doctors, because they are well | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
regarded, highly respected, because they knew, or as a patient you knew | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
that you could rely on them, not only as a doctor, but somebody who | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
cared about you. So what are the options now? What will you do? Well, | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
in fact, there is another surgery in the village. I have registered with | :46:14. | :46:21. | |
them. In all fairness, they are doctors of good quality, and I feel | :46:22. | :46:29. | |
that I am confident with them. You have got to wonder, are they going | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
to be able to cope if 2000 patients from this practice turn up at their | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
door? At a public meeting arranged by the CCG, they made a pledge that | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
they would accommodate as many patients as wanted to go to their | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
surgery, because when we had a letter telling us that we would have | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
to find a new doctor, we were provided with a list of doctors that | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
are in Redditch, so people were given a choice. But as far as I am | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
aware, most people have chosen to go to the other surgery. You are out of | :47:03. | :47:11. | |
that environment now, working as a salaried GP somewhere else. How has | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
this left you feeling? Presumably you went into medicine because you | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
wanted to care for people, you got into a position where you were | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
effectively a businessman. That is typical, really, I see myself as a | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
an accidental businessperson, I wanted to look after people, and I | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
am not very good with the financial side of things. It has been quite a | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
stressful six months, six months two-year, really, when we have been | :47:39. | :47:45. | |
looking at how to resolve this. I have, in recent times, my take-home | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
pay has been less than a junior doctor's from the surgery, and | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
therefore... And I knew I wanted the kind of work I wanted to do was in a | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
small village surgery, and that comes at a price, but at some stage | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
you have got to weigh up whether you are able to put bread on the table | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
and pay the mortgage versus going to work. And there is work at there | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
that pays a reasonable amount more with less responsibility, and it | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
wasn't just that I couldn't see a way forward to carry this through, | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
and that is why we had to make this really hard decision to say, well, | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
we cannot carry this on much longer. How do you feel about patients who | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
have been coming to the practice all this time? It has been overwhelming, | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
the positive response that we have had, people saying how well they | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
thought of us as a surgery. We haven't had anything but positive | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
comment and sadness from patients and people we have been working | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
with, that they have lost this surgery. And it is... It is almost | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
heartbreaking to see, really, the effect that these decisions have | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
made. But at the end of the day, we have got to think about what is | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
best, and if we could not carry on much longer, we would have got into | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
some kind of difficulty, and I wouldn't want to risk clinical | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
safety or making a mistake or cutting services down to a level | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
where I thought it was unsafe, which are the kind of choices I would have | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
had to make if I carried on. Thank you all very much, thank you. | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
A spokesman for the Department of Health says it has invested | :49:27. | :49:29. | |
an extra ?2.4 billion into primary care | :49:30. | :49:30. | |
and there will be an extra 5000 GPs by 2020. | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
A spokesperson for NHS South Warwickshire Clinical | :49:34. | :49:34. | |
Commissioning Group says it felt merging the Studely Health Centre | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
with another practice was not viable and it was making sure | :49:38. | :49:40. | |
patients still had an excellent GP service. | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
Coming up, the vicar's daughter Theresa May | :49:46. | :49:48. | |
meets the billionaire President Trump | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
We're looking at what the special relationship | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
between the US and the UK means and whether it has a future. | :49:56. | :50:04. | |
One in four survivors of genocide | :50:05. | :50:05. | |
have experienced discrimination or abuse in the UK | :50:06. | :50:07. | |
because of their religion or ethnicity. | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
The disturbing figures are released to mark Holocaust Memorial Day, | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
which is dedicated to all those who were killed during | :50:15. | :50:16. | |
the Holocaust, and in genocides since World War II. | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
The research shows that most survivors can't talk | :50:21. | :50:22. | |
about their experiences for at least 20 years. | :50:23. | :50:30. | |
That is a brick that was thrown into the home | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
And this is a poster for the film Denial, | :50:34. | :50:43. | |
about a Holocaust denier, which was defaced | :50:44. | :50:44. | |
after it was displayed at a London Underground station. | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
Last summer, figures revealed that the number of anti-Semitic | :50:48. | :50:49. | |
incidents in Britain increased by 11% between January and June. | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
We have two guests in the studio with us. | :50:55. | :50:56. | |
Holocaust survivor Susan Pollack MBE, | :50:57. | :50:58. | |
And Binyomin Gilbert, who's a student and | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
the president of the Jewish Society at Goldsmiths University, | :51:04. | :51:05. | |
Thank you both very much for coming in. Susan, what do you think when | :51:06. | :51:19. | |
you see the break, the reaction that there was to that poster, and also | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
the statistics about anti-Semitic abuse? Well, it is very disturbing. | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
It is frightening that after so many years, and many of us have devoted | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
time and effort to remember, to try to inform people what that sort of | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
hate propaganda, anti-Semitic various ways of talking, can lead | :51:45. | :51:54. | |
to. And it is frightening, it is frightening. But we're hoping that, | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
eventually, there's going to be some very strict laws. And not just | :52:01. | :52:11. | |
talking but actually preventing that sort of thing. Have you experienced | :52:12. | :52:19. | |
anything in your later years like anti-Semitic abuse? No, actually I | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
haven't. Indirectly, yes, indirectly. Remember, talking about | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
for instance the older Jewish woman down the road, forgetting that I | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
have got a name, forgetting that I am part of the wider community. So | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
that sort of discriminatory identification, I think, all these | :52:39. | :52:46. | |
small streams of the others has got a certain danger attached to it. You | :52:47. | :52:57. | |
were taken to Auschwitz at the age of 14. I was only 13 years old at | :52:58. | :53:06. | |
the time. And some 435,000 of the Jewish people, and others, we must | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
never forget the others, have been murdered. At the time. And it was | :53:11. | :53:19. | |
the most horrific experience that I could think of, that could be | :53:20. | :53:28. | |
orientated against innocent people. How could it happen? I think your | :53:29. | :53:36. | |
mother disappeared almost immediately. Almost immediately, | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
selection was taking place, and my mother was selected to be with older | :53:41. | :53:51. | |
people and was gassed right on arrival. Ireland about this when I | :53:52. | :53:58. | |
was in Auschwitz. -- I learned. I said that for many Holocaust | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
survivors, it took 20 years to be able to talk about it. How did you | :54:02. | :54:08. | |
sort of come through it? Well, the difficulty was, of course, how can | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
life go on after? We were left on our own, the majority of us, we had | :54:15. | :54:21. | |
no language, we were dehumanised, no skills and no education. The path to | :54:22. | :54:29. | |
extermination had started long before Auschwitz, of course, so I | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
lost my education very early. And I had to find some means of how to | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
support myself. So that was one of the reasons why we couldn't speak | :54:41. | :54:51. | |
about it. Also, the difficulty of finding an audience who were | :54:52. | :55:00. | |
listening. At that time. How do you view discrimination after everything | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
that you've experienced and been through? I am vigilant and cautious. | :55:05. | :55:14. | |
I think that it needs constant education and very strong | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
legislation. The two things that one needs in order to re-educate people | :55:20. | :55:32. | |
and accept myself, the Jews, I am very involved in various other | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
things as well. I mean, I became a Samaritan, just to rebuild my | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
self-esteem and help others. The physical recovery wasn't all that | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
difficult, though it took a couple of years. But the emotional, mental | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
recovery took a lifetime, I'm still working on it. Of course. Binyomin, | :55:51. | :55:57. | |
you are 22, obviously at the other end of the spectrum, but you have | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
experienced anti-Semitic abuse, tell us about it. I have experienced a | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
few physical incidents and a constant stream of small, everyday | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
comments, online anti-Semitism and other forms. The worst experiences I | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
have had involved physical assault. A few months ago in Coventry, I was | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
assaulted by a... I think he was a neo-Nazi, it was difficult to tell, | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
but he attacked me, hit me across the head. When I was younger... Were | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
you literally just walking along? Walking along with a friend, up a | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
side street in the middle of Coventry, and someone just came up | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
to me, he saw that I was wearing a kippah, came up to me, said, you are | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
Jewish, and told me to go back where I am from. What impact does that | :56:52. | :57:01. | |
have on you? It is concerning. Thankfully, I am tough enough to | :57:02. | :57:04. | |
take care of myself, but it does concern me that this is increasing, | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
and it isn't something that I face of my own, it is something that my | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
peers face, that we are seeing increased across Britain and Europe. | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
And it makes me worried about the future. You say that you are tough | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
enough to deal with it, has that been built over time? Yes. I think | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
when I was nine years old and someone threw a bottle at me out of | :57:30. | :57:32. | |
a car window when I was walking with my grandmother in the street, | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
psychologically that god to me a lot more than recent incidents. Did you | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
know when you were nine why that was done? I couldn't understand it. It | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
took me years to understand, and it has been, over the last few years, I | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
have come to terms with what anti-Semitism is, understood how it | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
has developed since the war into a new form of anti-Semitism, new ways | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
to attack people. And it has driven me to volunteer to fight against | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
anti-Semitism. I started working for a campaign against anti-Semitism. | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
And I feel like I am fighting back. Susan, I mean, how frustrating is it | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
for you to hear that those sort of things are happening? Well, it is | :58:18. | :58:23. | |
frightening. It is absolutely frightening. The Holocaust should | :58:24. | :58:34. | |
always be a beacon of warning of what can take place, not just | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
perhaps, yes, first of all against the Jews, but many others as well. | :58:41. | :58:43. | |
We all need to stand up against that, and here strong voices. It is | :58:44. | :58:52. | |
not good, because if we remain silent, if we made voiceless, who do | :58:53. | :58:59. | |
we help? The perpetrators. That is one of the lessons we learned. | :59:00. | :59:04. | |
Neither of you demonstrate any anger, do you feel anger? | :59:05. | :59:11. | |
I feel disappointment. I do feel... Anger perhaps not in that sense, | :59:12. | :59:22. | |
sort of angry. We never retaliated, for instance, after the Holocaust, | :59:23. | :59:27. | |
we just went about and tried to rebuild our lives. But | :59:28. | :59:34. | |
disappointment that we don't have any stronger kind of protection. You | :59:35. | :59:42. | |
said that it has taken a lifetime to deal with the emotional scars of | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
what you went through, you are still dealing with them. Absolutely, | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
absolutely. We are still dealing with it. I mean, it is not something | :59:51. | :59:56. | |
I shall ever forget, and I have come to accept it. But I have managed to | :59:57. | :00:00. | |
build on it, and I have done quite a few things to do that. I have become | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
a volunteer, as I mentioned, I became a Samaritan, which was | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
helpful. Can I help you? And Ireland a lot about human conditions and | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
various other things. I have been speaking to schools for almost 30 | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
years. -- and I learned. And yet such deep embedded eight, with some, | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
I wouldn't say everyone, is still in existence. -- hate. Binyomin, how do | :00:32. | :00:45. | |
you feel about the people who demonstrate its towards you? There | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
is frustration, I wouldn't call it anger, but frustration for sure, | :00:50. | :00:59. | |
that after all these examples, pogroms, it still has not been | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
eradicated, and it makes me feel that it may be intrinsic and there | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
may not be a way to completely remove it. But the only chance that | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
we have is to educate, and that is one of the things that I do now in | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
my life, I try and educate people about anti-Semitism. I have | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
dedicated time to learning about anti-Semitism, and now I try to pass | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
that information to on, going to other universities, going to speak | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
to is Duden is and explain what it is that anti-Semitism is and why it | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
is baseless and what it makes people feel like. -- speak to students. | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
Thank you both very much for talking to us. We are a little bit late for | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
the weather but we'll catch up with it right now. | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
Still very cold outside. We have low pressure coming from the West with | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
this weather fronts bringing rain. Not particularly heavy rain. And | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
also some drizzle. We still have fog across parts of the East Midlands | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
and Lincolnshire that will slowly lift, pretty dense through the | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
morning. We have a 2-pronged attack, rain coming from the West and from | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
the Channel Islands into southern areas and a lot of cloud building | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
ahead of it across England and Wales and western fringes of Scotland and | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
Northern Ireland. A cold day in prospect. Not as cold as yesterday. | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
The rain tonight moves north and comes in from the West. The lot of | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
it meets and travels east. Snow above 100 metres in Scotland and in | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
the Pennines. Behind the cloud we have some icy conditions, bear that | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
in mind first thing. The band of rain pushing over towards the east | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
in the morning, cloud behind it, but it will brighten up with sunshine. | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
We will have showers out towards the west and highs between five and | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
nine. Hello, it's Friday, 27th January, | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
it's 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling. The eyes of the world | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
are on Theresa May and Donald Trump, who have their first face-to-face | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
meeting since the billionaire Some tricky issues are | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
on the agenda, but how The reason these two I predict will | :03:06. | :03:21. | |
get along just fine, it's going to be a lovefest, is that both of them | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
are committed to national sovereignty, putting their national | :03:26. | :03:26. | |
interests first. Girls start to see themselves | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
as less talented than boys Before then, both sexes think | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
their own gender is "brilliant" - We're looking at gender stereotypes, | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
and where children are picking up these influences from at such | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
a young age. It's democracy in action tonight, | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
as the UK decides which act will represent the UK at this year's | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
Eurovision Song Contest. We'll be asking last year's entry, | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Joe and Jake, if they think the 2017 contender can hope | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
to beat their 24th place. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :03:58. | :04:07. | |
with a summary of today's news. Theresa May will today become | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
the first world leader to meet Donald Trump since he became US | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
President. She told senior Republicans last | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
night of the importance of the special relationship | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
between the two countries, but says they cannot return | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
to failed military interventions. It's expected a post-Brexit trade | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
deal will be high on the agenda at today's meeting in the Oval | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
Office. The Conservative MP Crispin Blunt, | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
who is chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
says a good relationship And that Theresa May's reception | :04:35. | :04:44. | |
from Republicans bodes well for a trade agreement. | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
The reaction Theresa May got from Republican mems of Congress, and | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
trade negotiators in the States report to Congress. They are | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
normally really tough because the congressmen look after businesses in | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
their individual district. This is a situation where political pressure | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
and the need for both countries to do a deal, a slightly different | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
dynamic in this trade deal than others. In both countries the | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
politicians will say to the trade negotiators, get the deal done. | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
Hundreds of millions of funding promised to schools in England last | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
year has been taken back by the Treasury. | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
The money had been announced to fund a plan to turn | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
The Department for Education says that it was appropriate to return | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
funds if a project did not go ahead. | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
A teenager has been charged with murder after a 15-year-old boy | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
was stabbed near his school in north-west London. | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
Quamari Serunkuma-Barnes was attacked in Doyle Gardens | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
on Monday just as other children made their way home from school. | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
The suspect, who is also 15 and cannot be named for legal | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
reasons, will appear before Willesden Youth Court later today. | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
Jeremy Corbyn faces more dissent in the Labour Party | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
today as the party whip, Jeff Smith, says he'll | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
defy the leader and vote against the government Bill that | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
The MP said he wasn't convinced the government had | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
The Shadow Transport Minister, Daniel Zeichner, has also said he'll | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
oppose the legislation, while Tulip Siddiq has | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
resigned from the front bench over the issue. | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
Plans to restrict some hip and knee operations in part of England have | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
been described as alarming by the Royal College of Surgeons. | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
Three clinical commissioning groups in Worcestershire hope the move | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
would save around ?2 million, though they insist surgery | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
would continue to be carried out elsewhere. | :06:21. | :06:28. | |
A study in the United States suggests girls start to see | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
themselves as less innately talented than boys do when they | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
The researchers described the results as disheartening | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
and said such views were likely to shape girls' decisions about | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :06:40. | :06:47. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
Why might it be that six-year-old girls don't think they are as good | :06:53. | :07:05. | |
as boys according to new research? A couple of comments on the | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
conversation we just had about the Holocaust. And anti-Semitism today. | :07:08. | :07:15. | |
It's Holocaust Memorial Day. Stephen e-mailed to say he is horrified by | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
continuing reports and he's interested to know which members of | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
our communities are carrying out such offences. Kathleen has texted | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
to say, watching your item on anti-Semitism with disgust. How can | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
anybody treat another human this way? | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
We've got a match on our hands in the Australian Open semi-final. | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
Rafa Nadal is looking to reach his first Grand Slam final | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
Grigor Dimitrov stands in his way but it was Nadal who took the first | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
Dimitrov has never reached a Grand Slam final, | :07:52. | :08:02. | |
but he reacted well, breaking Nadal in the second. | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
Buttons Al has broken him twice. -- but Nadal has broken him twice. | :08:08. | :08:15. | |
Currently 5-4 to Dimitrov. Roger Federer will play the winner | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
for the title on Sunday after tomorrow's all Williams | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
women's final. And congratulations | :08:22. | :08:22. | |
to Britain's Gordon Reid, who's completed a career grand slam | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
- he and partner Joachim Gerard have won the wheelchair doubles title | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
in Melbounre this morning. Jose Mourinho celebrated his 54th | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
birthday by taking Manchester United They lost 2-1 at Hull in the second | :08:30. | :08:31. | |
leg of their semi-final but went through 3-2 on aggregate - | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
although Mourinho insisted Here's the goal that Mourinho | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
is refusing to recognise. Four players tangled | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
in the penalty area, and Harry Maguire went to ground, | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
possibly after Marcos Rojo Tom Huddlestone | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
scored from the spot. Paul Pogba then struck what turned | :08:53. | :09:01. | |
out to be the decisive goal. Before Oumar Niasse ended United's | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
17-match unbeaten run - We didn't lose. It was 1-1. 1-1. I | :09:05. | :09:22. | |
only saw two goals. I saw the Pogba goal, and their goal, fantastic | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
goal. Great action, great cross. And the guy at the far post coming. 1-1. | :09:27. | :09:35. | |
Why don't you count the first goal bastion yellow I didn't see. Deadly | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
serious. --? Oh I didn't see. Could there be another Clough | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
in charge of Nottingham Forest? They've made an approach | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
to Burton Albion, to speak with Nigel Clough | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
about their vacant manager's job. His father Brian Clough was Forest's | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
most famous manager, leading them to numerous victories, | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
including two Nigel has already followed | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
in his father's footsteps once, And Anthony Joshua's world | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
heavyweight title bout against Wladimir Klitshcko will be | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
fought in front of a Over 80,000 tickets have already | :10:03. | :10:04. | |
been sold for the Wembley bout on April the 29th - | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
and the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has granted permission for another | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
10,000 to go on sale, after talking to rail | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
companies to make sure fans We will have the headlines for you | :10:14. | :10:27. | |
at 10:30am. Lots of you getting in touch on our conversation on | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
anti-Semitism on world Holocaust Day. A tweak to say, disgusted there | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
are still people in 2017 who abuse people of different races, religions | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
and creeds. -- eight-week to say. -- at Tweet. | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
Prime Minister Theresa May is in Washington today. | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
She is the first foreign leader to be meeting | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
The meeting comes as May has suggested that Britain | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
could withdraw from some if its intelligence sharing | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
with the United States if Trump presses ahead with his announced | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
plans to reintroduce torture techniques like water-boarding | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
during the interrogation of terror suspects. | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
He has said it does work but he will bow to the wisdom of the CIA in | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
anything on something like that. In an interview with ABC News | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
yesterday, Trump said he believed that water-boarding works, | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
but Downing Street says the UK's opposition to torture | :11:27. | :11:28. | |
remains "unequivocal". That's not the only issue | :11:29. | :11:29. | |
overshadowing the President's first The Mexican President has | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
now cancelled his trip to the United States | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
because of the row over the building of a border wall | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
between the two countries. It's a meeting everyone would love | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
to be a fly-on-the-wall for, but what exactly does the special | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
relationship between the UK Let's talk now to Laura Schwartz, | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
a political commentator who worked for the Clinton administration | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
for eight years. Talking to us from Washington is | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
Republican commentator Anneke Green, who was a speechwriter | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
for George W Bush. Thank you both for joining us. | :12:01. | :12:09. | |
Donald Trump is supposedly calling Theresa May, my Maggie. She says she | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
won't be afraid to talk tough with him. How do you see the dynamic? | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
She's already been fairly savvy in setting up a meeting with the | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
Republican Congress. The Republicans have been on retreat in Philadelphia | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
and she stopped by to talk to them ahead of her meeting with President | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
Trump. She's been pretty savvy in communicating that she will work | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
with congressional leaders as well as the president ahead of meeting | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
him. Laura, how do you see things? I completely agree. I thought her | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
speech yesterday was forceful. She mentioned a lot of the alliances and | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
information from the Donald Trump campaign of which she's concerned | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
about, and ways to make that the Iran to clear deal doesn't go away. | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
Commitments to Nato. Some of the Allied agreements might be flawed | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
but they can't be done away with that must be built upon. Everything | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
from the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. She | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
brought up some heady issues. Issues that are the same issues that many | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
world leaders are concerned about within a Donald J Trump | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
administration. I think it's very savvy to go to the Republican | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
retreat. It gave her a day ahead of her meeting with Donald Trump to | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
make that statement and I think that's what will make today's | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
meeting with Donald, the press conference following, and the | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
working lunch following that, productive, even perhaps more so | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
behind the scenes with President Trump than we will see in front of | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
the scenes. We have been able to build up a pretty good picture | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
quickly. He has hit the ground running in terms of actions, as well | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
as just words. The key phrase from him, America first, we have heard | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
him say torture works. He introduced a potential clamp-down on visitors | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
from seven countries with Muslim majorities. Making steps to see the | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
border wall with Mexico come into force. At this stage, how do you | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
assess him in terms of the rhetoric on the campaign trail, which some | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
thought might be tempered once he came into office, with what we are | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
seeing. He has not found down the way many anticipated. Myself | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
included. -- he has not toned down. We did not think you'd be picking | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
fights with the president of Mexico ahead of a meeting, which led to the | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
meeting being cancelled. I think the debate around torture is a big | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
distraction. Like you mentioned, leading the programme, he said he | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
thinks it works but will rely on the CIA. The CIA has not used that | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
enhanced interrogation techniques since 2003. They have no plans to | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
begin doing so again. Originally it was only used on three high-value | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
terrorism suspects. I don't think there is an appetite for that at | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
this point among the American people, or interest in the CIA on | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
resuming that. Laura, what should we make of that? Ultimately, we mustn't | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
forget that he's a deal maker and plays hardball. He is sending out | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
very hard core messages, but if the caveat is always, I will listen to | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
the people around me, and the people around him don't necessarily agree | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
directly with what he says, he gets to play to the people who want to | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
hear those messages but maybe it will not happen in practice. | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
It is a very good plan for Donald Trump, great for carrying forward | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
the messages of the campaign, yet in this new governing mode that he is | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
in today. He has said, I will let the CAA decide, and mike Pompeo has | :15:52. | :16:00. | |
said that torture is illegal. We heard yesterday from the Leader of | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
the House and the Senate, both said that torture is illegal, and they | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
don't plan to overturn that any time soon, they don't plan to change | :16:10. | :16:16. | |
that, because it has not been reliable. So he is able to talk to | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
his base while still being able to give himself, Joanna, really and | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
have to say, hey, I brought it up, I did it, I chose these great leaders | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
to put around me, and we are going to try it their way first. On the | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
wall, a key part of the campaign, he is now talking about it actually | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
happening and a 20% import duty to pay for it, what do you think about | :16:44. | :16:50. | |
the messaging on that one? That is going to hit people at home, isn't | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
it? Prices will just go up. That has been the criticism of those plans. I | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
don't know what I planned to do to counteract that, but the point that | :17:02. | :17:09. | |
was just made by Laura still stands, which is that something needs | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
discussing, is that what they are going to go with? We don't know at | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
this point. I do wonder if there is a kind of good friend, bad friend | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
scenario being set up with Mexico being debated as a bad friend, | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
cancelling their meeting, and Great Britain being depicted as the good | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
friend, the first one visiting, and they are the nation that the Trump | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
administration has said they want to fast-track a trade deal with, do | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
everything they can to make it work, even if the terms are not all | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
favourable to the United States. So there is wiggle room there as an | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
example internationally. This is what happens when you support us, | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
this is what happens when you don't support as. He has gone into the | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
White House with record low approval ratings, I mean, from what we see | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
and hear about him, things like the number of people that turned out to | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
the inauguration really mattered to him. It is quite interesting, isn't | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
it, I suppose, whether he cares about those low approval ratings and | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
what that says? It is something that he cared about all throughout the | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
campaign, Joanna, where oftentimes he would come out with a sheet of | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
paper, and on that paper were the names of polls and where he stood | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
among them with relation to the Republican rivals. I think that is | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
how he is driven, and you can see his fight turn more feisty or more | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
cavalier depending on what those numbers are. I think he sees that | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
these are very important numbers, some of the lowest ever, and he | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
needs to make massive inroads to counteract that. Having Theresa May | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
there today is outstanding, because the United States of America, the | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
same people who are being polled on his approval rating, they have a | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
very high regard for the UK, so we see a working relationship both | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
among trade and among advisement. Very interesting, before Barack | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
Obama left office, he spoke to a few leaders around the country that had | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
been confirmed by their administration officials, as well as | :19:19. | :19:20. | |
British officials in this case, with Theresa May. He asked Theresa May to | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
stay in close contact with Donald Trump, because he felt the | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
centre-right cleaning was much better than Nigel Farage's | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
influence. So I really believe that your Prime Minister is taking up | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
that baton, I really look forward to seeing the press conference this | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
evening. Yeah, we will all be looking forward to that one! Thank | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
you very much indeed for your time. Let's get the thoughts of a few | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
other people. Should the UK re-evaluate | :19:56. | :19:56. | |
its special relationship, We can talk now to four British | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
expats living in the United States. John Turner is a Brit | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
living in Vermont. He thinks our relationship | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
means more to Britain Talking to us from Massachusetts | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
is Samantha McGarry. Says she's proud the first | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
foreign leader to meet Michaela and Matt Wilkinson | :20:12. | :20:13. | |
in Florida are split but both think Theresa May will | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
hold her own in the negotiations. Thank you all very much for joining | :20:19. | :20:31. | |
us, John, why do you think the special relationship matters more to | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
us than to the United States? I don't think that Donald J Trump | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
really needs the UK that much. I think we have turned our back on | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
Europe from a trade perspective, so we need to look west again. So I | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
think, for that reason if nothing else, you know, she is looking to | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
solidify her sort of authority there, move forward with the Brexit | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
negotiations, and I think she sees an opportunity, and I agree it is a | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
savvy move for her to be the first one to come over and do business | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
with them. But I think he has a pretty long track record of using | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
people, and I would be very circumspect with any sort of | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
negotiations with him. Samantha, you are proud that Theresa May is the | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
first foreign leader to be walking through the door of the White House | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
with Donald Trump inside. Absolutely! You know, I can't | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
imagine this relationship being anywhere near the Thatcher-Reagan | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
love fest, but my hope is that Trump takes Theresa May seriously as a | :21:38. | :21:45. | |
woman in power, and that she holds her own, and that she doesn't kowtow | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
to him, and that she does what she thinks is right for the UK. Nick | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
Taylor and Matt, I said you are split on your opinions of Donald | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
Trump, but you think she will hold her own, tell us more about why you | :21:59. | :22:07. | |
ask let them what is going on? Well, we're not having rows, but Matt and | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
I are agreed on many issues, like women's rights, climate change, and | :22:12. | :22:20. | |
I find that terrifying. I hope that Theresa May is strong in her | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
opinions on that and holds firm on her values and can broach that with | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
a diplomatic air. I think Matthew is more... He can see the business | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
opportunities with Trump and those advantages. But I find him | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
deplorable as a person! He has been elected, and we have to deal with | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
him, he has got notoriously thin skin, and she would not be wise to | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
go public with her opinions, whatever they might be, but she | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
should aim to become a confidant and a good friend to him perhaps, talk | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
straight in private, but don't humiliate him in public, because we | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
know how he will react to that, and it will not be any good... How do | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
you feel, as Brits living in a United States? Are you sort of | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
conscious of their being a special relationship between the US and the | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
UK, as is obviously talked about? Do you sense add affinity? Absolutely, | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
yes, we have had a lot of history together, it suffered in the last | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
administration, I think, I do not think Obama at the same feelings | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
that previous presidents might have had towards the UK, but hopefully | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
that can change now, Churchill's bust is back in his office, and May | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
is seeing him before anyone else, so it is a good start. Both countries | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
want to start trading and hopefully can work out a deal. Hopefully it is | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
the dawn of a new era and it will be a good thing for both of us. Yeah, I | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
personally think she probably would not want to have a special | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
relationship with him! Because of the kind of man he is. But it is | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
something that she has to do, and I just hope that she can, you know, | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
steer him in the right they reckon, telling do maybe count to ten before | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
he speaks. I am hoping that she can maybe be more of a calming influence | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
on him, because we have to have a relationship with America, because | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
they are incredibly important to Britain. So I just hope that she can | :24:27. | :24:34. | |
be a good influence on him. Samantha, sorry, Samantha as a Brit | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
living in the US, how do you see the special relationship? Obviously, it | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
has had ups and downs, and the mood music now is that it could be | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
potentially on and up. Well, you know, I don't envy Theresa May's | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
role right now, she is like the piggy in the middle, or the monkey | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
in the middle, as they say over here, she has got to do what is | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
right for the UK, but she is stuck between the US and the EU as well, | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
somewhere in the middle she has got to figure out what is right. I mean, | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
these bestial relationship is important to us. -- the special | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
relationship. I cannot imagine it is as bestial to Donald Trump, he has | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
got a big agenda, and working out a trade deal with the UK is maybe not | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
his top priority. -- it is as special to Donald Trump. I think | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
this meeting is Bob Abi Morgan for setting a tone and showing that he | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
is the boss. -- is probably more. I hope she does what is right. He has | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
certainly spoken very warmly about his feelings towards the UK, | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
particularly his links with Scotland, and I think that Theresa | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
May is taking him something that is called a quaich, an old ceremonial | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
whisky cup, but he is a teetotaller, he will only use it as a decorative | :25:55. | :26:02. | |
thing. John, is the special relationship something that you are | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
aware of, living in the United States? Do you feel there is an | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
affinity between the countries that translates all the way through to, | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
you know, ordinary people as well? Absolutely, I mean, I have lived in | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
the US over 25 years, and there is a fondness, I think, for British | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
people and British culture over here, people have always been very | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
warm and friendly, wanting to open up and talk to us or talk to me, so | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
there is definitely an affinity there. They love Downton Abbey, some | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
of them think everyone drives around in a Rolls-Royce with a top hat | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
still! But I think it only goes so far, in my opinion, and I think that | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
she needs to be very candid with him and stay very strong with him and | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
hold his feet to the fire, especially with things around, you | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
know, torture and Nato. And I think being that sort of confidant, maybe | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
from the Western world, that he seems to be able to lean on and rely | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
on, that is a very important role that she can play, but I don't think | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
she... She must not kowtow to him, I think he has shown himself, over the | :27:22. | :27:28. | |
last 15 months, in the tortuous electoral campaign that we endure | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
every four years, that he can say things and then changes mind, you | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
know, the next day or a week later. So I would have liked to have seen a | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
stick to her guns and not... Represent Britain's values and place | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
in the world, and potentially open up some new areas of development for | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
both countries. Within trade and so on and so forth. Thank you all. But | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
do it carefully, I mean, I think he is a man where you have to earn his | :28:02. | :28:09. | |
trust, and he is definitely very thin-skinned, so tread very | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
carefully. Yeah, right, thank you very much for your time, I know it | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
is horribly early, we appreciate you speaking to us, thank you. Just some | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
news in that just hearing about a conversation between blood in the | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
pudding and Donald Trump. -- between Lad Amir Putin. They will have a | :28:27. | :28:34. | |
telephone conversation on Saturday evening Moscow time. The aim of the | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
conversation was for Putin to congratulate President Trump and | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
facilitate an exchange of opinions on the main aspects of bilateral | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
relations, so they will be talking on the phone on Saturday. | :28:49. | :28:50. | |
Here's a tale to restore your faith in humanity. | :28:51. | :28:52. | |
It starts with a letter taped to an empty bike rack | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
The letter was addressed to the thief who'd stolen a brand | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
new bike, belonging to someone who'd saved-up for a year to buy it. | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
A passer-by saw the note, and decided to do something about it. | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
It can be really, really lovely. Coming up... | :29:06. | :31:18. | |
Girls start to see themselves as less talented than boys do | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
when they are only six years old, according to a group | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
We'll be asking education experts why. | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
Tonight the country decides who will represent the UK at this | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
We'll be looking forward to that with last year's entry Joe and Jake | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
And I would love to hear from you if you are a Eurovision super fan as | :31:34. | :31:47. | |
well. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :31:48. | :31:48. | |
with a summary of today's news. Theresa May will today become | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
the first world leader to meet Donald Trump since he became US | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
President. She told senior Republicans last | :31:55. | :31:55. | |
night of the importance of the special relationship | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
between the two countries, but says they cannot return | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
to failed military interventions. It's expected a post-Brexit trade | :32:01. | :32:03. | |
deal will be high on the agenda at today's meeting in the Oval | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
Office. Hundreds of millions of funding | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
promised to schools in England last year has been taken back | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
by the Treasury. The money had been announced | :32:16. | :32:16. | |
to fund a plan to turn The Department for Education says | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
that it was appropriate to return funds if a project did not go | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
ahead. A teenager has been charged | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
with murder after a 15-year-old boy was stabbed near his school | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
in north-west London. Quamari Serunkuma-Barnes | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
was attacked in Doyle Gardens on Monday just as other children | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
made their way home from school. The suspect, who is also 15 | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
and cannot be named for legal reasons, will appear before | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
Willesden Youth Court later today. Plans to restrict some hip and knee | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
operations in part of England have been described as alarming | :32:45. | :32:47. | |
by the Royal College of Surgeons. Three clinical commissioning groups | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
in Worcestershire hope the move would save around ?2 million, | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
though they insist surgery would continue to be | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
carried out elsewhere. The taxman's failure to get tough | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
with the super-rich could undermine confidence in the whole system, | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
according to MPs. The Public Accounts Committee says | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
the amount raised each year from wealthy individuals has fallen | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
by ?1 billion, and there needs HM Revenue and Customs has rejected | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
any suggestion of special That's a summary of the latest news, | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom Grigor Dimitrov has just levelled | :33:19. | :33:37. | |
his Australian open semifinal against Rafa Nadal at 1-1. In the | :33:38. | :33:44. | |
last few minutes. Rafa Nadal took the first set 6-3, but Dimitrov took | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
the second 7-5. The winner will face Roger Federer for the title on | :33:50. | :33:50. | |
Sunday. Jose Mourinho celebrated his 54th | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
birthday by taking Manchester United They lost 2-1 at Hull in the second | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
leg of their semi-final but went through 3-2 on aggregate - | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
although Mourinho insisted Could there be another Clough | :34:01. | :34:07. | |
in charge of Nottingham Forest? They've made an approach | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
to Burton Albion, to speak with Nigel Clough | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
about their vacant manager's job. His father Brian Clough was Forest's | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
most famous manager, And Anthony Joshua's world | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
heavyweight title bout against Wladimir Klitshcko will be | :34:17. | :34:18. | |
fought in front of a Over 80,000 tickets have already | :34:19. | :34:20. | |
been sold for the Wembley bout on April the 29th - | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
and the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has granted permission for another | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
10,000 to go on sale, after talking to rail | :34:28. | :34:29. | |
companies to make sure fans Gender stereotypes start kicking in | :34:30. | :34:40. | |
when children are as young as six. It appears from that age girls start | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
to see themselves as less innately talented than boys. Before then both | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
sexes think their own gender is brilliant according to US | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
researchers. Where are they picking up these | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
influences from at such a young age? I don't get any make-up in my hair. | :34:59. | :35:10. | |
This was about a week ago. What do you think about me? That is the | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
coolest thing. While the rest of the girls powder their noses, Alice has | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
found something else to play with. These dinosaurs. Do you know a | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
Tyrannosaurus rex, its teeth is as big as a banana. A clip from the | :35:29. | :35:39. | |
Channel 4 observational series, The Secret Life Of Four, Five And | :35:40. | :35:41. | |
Six-year-olds. Let's discuss this more | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
with Professor Gemma Moss, Director of the UCL Institute | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
of Education's International Literacy Centre, and | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
Professor Paul Howard-Jones, an education neuroscientist | :35:52. | :35:53. | |
from Bristol University who was part of the Channel 4 observational | :35:54. | :35:55. | |
documentary series The Secret Life of 4, 5 and 6-year-olds, | :35:56. | :35:57. | |
who joins me on webcam from Bristol. Professor Jones, you were part of | :35:58. | :36:06. | |
those documentaries and you have seen kids close-up. What do you | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
think of this latest research that indicates that six-year-old girls | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
don't think they are as good as six-year-old boys? Until I was | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
involved in the documentary series, I think I would have been quite | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
surprised about this. But we have actually been filming this, | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
children, looking at this specific issue. You will see on the screening | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
of the special gender issue that's coming out on Thursday at 8pm, that | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
in fact this is very common, even among younger children. Even four | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
and five-year-olds seem to pick up these stereotypes. In a way it's | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
really shocking. There are definite biological differences between boys | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
and girls, but it's kind of ridiculous. At that age, the | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
differences are almost all favouring the girls. Even at four and five | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
years old you was seeing children, where the girls are very... They | :37:04. | :37:12. | |
have fine motor skills, better motor skills, better social skills and | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
theory of mind. They outperform the boys in so many respects, but at the | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
same time you see gender stereotypes arising where the girls say, boys | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
have bigger brains, boys are better. You wonder where it comes from. Part | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
of it comes from the adult world, and part of it comes from the | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
cultured the children make themselves. You see that recurring | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
when you watch these children. Gemma, where do you think it comes | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
from? I'm not sure where it comes from is really the key question. The | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
study shows that children develop stereotyped views quite early on. | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
It's very careful and precise in those respects. What it doesn't show | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
is how that impacts on educational attainment and it doesn't show | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
whether that has a longer lasting influence. Why do you think it's not | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
to work out where coming from? It's not innate, is it? I think it's | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
because of the fact that if children have a stereotypic view, what does | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
it do to their performance in schools? The same study shows that | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
girls aged six and seven think girls are more likely to succeed in school | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
than boys. That's not been run in a way the report has been headlined, | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
but it is in the report. There is something paradoxical here. They | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
believe boys are more likely to be brilliant, but they think girls are | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
more likely to succeed in school. Ultimately you are saying if it | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
doesn't make difference in the long term in terms of attainment, it | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
doesn't matter they are thinking these things. It raises another | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
question. Does thinking that boys are brilliant help or hinder boys? | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
Does thinking that girls have to try hard, help or hinder girls? That's a | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
different set of questions that the report doesn't address. What do you | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
think about that, Paul? It's a very interesting point. I'm not sure it | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
is very good necessarily for boys to think they are brilliant. That's | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
almost a defence. When you watched children in this age, and you'll see | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
this on Thursday, the boys are really struggling in so many | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
different areas and are surrounded by these super beings, which are the | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
girls. When the girls enter you get overwhelmed by the sense of | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
flourishing ability among them, which is common at this age, the | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
gender difference. I feel like the boys feel like they have to fight | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
back, and this is a way of boiling themselves up, if you like, feeling | :39:38. | :39:45. | |
more assured and confident by promoting this idea that somehow the | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
girls are inferior. -- boying themselves up. An e-mail from Mary, | :39:49. | :39:59. | |
her two-year-old granddaughter loves looking at spiders in the garden. | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
When she bought some Spiderman Wellington boots for her a couple of | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
months ago, the shopkeeper said, initiate Tom Boyd? I think the most | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
-- is she a Tom VoIP? -- Tom boy. They need to learn about all the | :40:10. | :40:29. | |
different ranges of gender that exist. That's only going to really, | :40:30. | :40:37. | |
about through having mixed groups. That's the most important thing. The | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
is always going to be girls and girls groups who have interests that | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
might in a stereotyped way be seen as more boyish. Some of them have | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
biological causes. For example, it is possible to predict, based on the | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
hormones a child has at one or two-month-old afterbirth, the sort | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
of play behaviour they might show. So girls with high testosterone | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
levels at one or two months old are more likely to pick of a truck or | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
train set. There are biological issues here but there are massive | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
social ones as well. The important thing is for boys and girls to have | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
experience of each other so they can develop broad perceptions of what | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
gender means. You are laughing at this. Cultural norms change over | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
time was up expectations for women now are quite different for | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
expectations for woman at the start of my lifetime. Only 12% of girls | :41:33. | :41:39. | |
went to university in the 1970s. Now more girls than boys get into | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
university. I think the key thing is not to gender stereotype ourselves. | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
That doesn't help. The second thing is to keep on keeping our attention | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
on the differences between boys and girls. Thinking that all boys are | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
brilliant might disfavour boys who are actually struggling in the early | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
stages of learning to read. It may be more difficult then to own up to | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
the problems you've got and seek help. That could be crucial, | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
equally, if girls think... Is that evidence, our boys less likely to | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
ask for help? I've just completed a study for save the children looking | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
at literacy and language development in the early years. One of the | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
things we do see is that those boys and girls who start off school with | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
the lowest attainment in relation to language and literacy, it has | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
particularly strong impact on how boys interact with school so they | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
are less likely to feel self-confident. One of the other | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
important differences between the groups is that low attaining girls | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
at age seven are much more likely to feel positive about reading despite | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
the fact they attain at a low level. But boys are more likely to be | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
disengaged. We have to challenge our stereotypes of boys and girls and | :42:58. | :42:59. | |
get more specific about which girls and which boys and what are the | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
issues. In a way it's an argument for individual attention from | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
teachers to the range there is in their class and thinking about how | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
they can do best by them. I'm not sure how to think now. It felt like | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
it was all quite clear-cut. And Jerry is standard tarry -- and | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
gender stereotyping was alive as well. Maybe it's not that clear cut, | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
and it depends on the prism you look through. It's a very complex issue. | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
There is biology involved and strong social and cultural issues as well. | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
I agree with everything Gemma has said. These differences in terms of | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
boys reaching out and asking for help, it carries on into adulthood | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
where we see men less able to ask for help with mental health issues. | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
Within a group of boys you are always going to have a greater range | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
of differences than between boys on average and girls on average. You | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
can never really leap to conclusions about how somebody is going to | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
behave or what they need in order to succeed based on the fact that they | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
are a boy or girl. A good message for parents of both genders, it's | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
always good to ask for help if you need it. Absolutely, a key message | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
to take away. Thank you both very much. Interesting to talk to you | :44:23. | :44:28. | |
both. We are going to stay with this, sort of. | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
Are gender-stereotyped toys putting off girls from choosing careers | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
Before Christmas, the Institution of Engineering and Technology warned | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
parents against buying pink presents for their daughters. | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
But women who work in these industries got in touch with the BBC | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
One of them, Jade Leonard, is a welding engineer | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
I'm a welding engineer, and I grew up playing | :44:49. | :44:57. | |
put off girls from doing science or engineering careers. | :44:58. | :45:21. | |
Growing up, I played with Barbie dolls, | :45:22. | :45:24. | |
just like the ones I've got here, and it didn't affect my choices. | :45:25. | :45:44. | |
I think working here doesn't suppress my female side at all. | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
I can be who I want to be, and actually being female helps | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
with my success and how I interact with people, whether I've got this | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
on or I'm dressed in these clothes, it doesn't change who I am, | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
and I enjoy this job and I'm proud of being a female | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
I believe what does discourage girls from going into these careers | :46:00. | :46:07. | |
is when they get to secondary school, they lose self-confidence, | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
a bit of self-doubt, not sure what careers | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
My advice to girls getting into engineering, | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
Even if you play with dolls, if you like being girly, | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
getting your nails done, your eyelashes done, | :46:23. | :46:24. | |
as long as you work for it and work hard. | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
I will encourage my children to play with | :46:30. | :46:31. | |
whatever they want to play with, be it pink, blue, | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
on the BBC's Family and Education News Facebook Page. | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
If you're interested in the development and learning | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
you can join in the conversation there. | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
Breaking news, police investigating historical allegations of abuse in | :46:47. | :47:05. | |
Cambridge have arrested a man. Detectives arrested the man in | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
Cambridge this morning. The man is in his 70s and from Cambridge. He | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
has been arrested on suspicion of indecency with children and indecent | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
assault, and he is currently in custody. Officers are working | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
closely with partners including the Football Association, the local | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
children's safeguarding board for Cambridge and Peterborough, | :47:27. | :47:28. | |
Cambridge and Peter brake United, the clinical commissioning group and | :47:29. | :47:36. | |
Peterborough City Council. They would encourage anyone with concerns | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
about the allegations to call police on 101 or the NSPCC. So news just | :47:41. | :47:49. | |
threw that a man in his 70s and from Cambridge has been arrested on | :47:50. | :47:51. | |
suspicion of indecency with children and indecent assault. Elisa been | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
investigating historical allegations of abuse relating to football in | :47:57. | :47:58. | |
Cambridge. -- police have been. From the X Factor to | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
the Eurovision Song Contest, tonight six hopefuls will be asking | :48:05. | :48:06. | |
for your vote as they bid to represent the UK in Kiev | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
this May. As you're "making your mind up" | :48:10. | :48:11. | |
during the show, which is live on BBC Two, | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
so will a jury of music professionals - | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
including Sophie Ellis-Bextor and Strictly Come Dancing judge | :48:17. | :48:18. | |
Bruno Tonioli. All the contestants have previously | :48:19. | :48:20. | |
appeared on the X Factor, a rather dismal run of Eurovision | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
results for UK entries. Last year we put forward Joe and | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
Jake, who finished 24th out of 26. We'll speak to them | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
in just a minute. But first, let's have a listen | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
to tonight's shortlisted songs. What do you think? Any of those grab | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
you? Let's speak now to British duo | :48:43. | :51:30. | |
Joe Woolford and Jake Shakeshaft, who represented the UK | :51:31. | :51:32. | |
in the Eurovision Song Contest Nicki French, who represented | :51:33. | :51:34. | |
the UK in Eurovision 2000. and head of the International | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
Eurovision Fan Club group. He has been to every | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
Eurovision since 1999. Thank you all very much for joining | :51:43. | :51:55. | |
us, I feel dreadful to have said that you came 24th out of 26 - it is | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
a fact, though. We have dealt with it now! Good, before you speak, | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
let's have a look at that performance. | :52:06. | :52:07. | |
# When you're not around, it's fading, slow. | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
# And it's something that I've never known. | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
# I'll be, I'll be the answer you've been waiting for. | :52:16. | :52:25. | |
# I'll be the truth that you've been looking for. | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
I think it was great, you should have done better than 24th, you were | :52:31. | :52:46. | |
robbed! Thank you very much. What has lifelike been since taking part? | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
It's been good, we've been busy, we just released our latest song, we | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
are in the studio recording lots of stuff. Definitely, it has been good, | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
positive. As we look tonight to all of the hopefuls, when you were in | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
that position, how did you feel? How big a deal is it when you are hoping | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
to represent the country at Eurovision? We were so nervous about | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
it, we thought, you know, if we make it to your vision, we know it will | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
be amazing, but if we don't make it through tonight, we thought, no, we | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
are going to miss out in front of everybody. We put so much work and | :53:25. | :53:36. | |
before, singing that song, we really grateful we won that show. What is | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
that? That is not mine, sadly! It is Simon's. Because you have taken part | :53:43. | :53:49. | |
in Eurovision as well, you have been actively involved ever since as | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
well. Tonight it is being done slightly differently from how it was | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
done last year, in that the public at the final say. They won't get the | :53:58. | :54:03. | |
final say tonight. Oh, I didn't know that! 50-50, the television vote | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
will be half of it, and the professional jury will be the other | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
half. They don't trust the public, you see? Why has it changed? I just | :54:15. | :54:21. | |
want to say they did us proud lest you, they deserve so much higher | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
than 24th, and they were great ambassadors for the UK, all year. | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
And I was so proud to introduce them at the London party that we do every | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
year, they were great. And they have been great ever since, and | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
thankfully they are another one of the artists who does not want to | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
hide it from their CV, they are proud. Very much so. You have every | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
reason to be proud, representing the country. Do you feel the | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
ambassadorial part is as important as everything else? Definitely. As | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
important as it is to put on a great performance, it is important for | :55:00. | :55:01. | |
everyone to feel proud of you, because one thing we have learned is | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
that the community really wants to love you, so it is not hard to just | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
hold yourself in a good manner for that. And the venue there was | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
amazing, it was the first time it was held in the same venue where I | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
did mine, in Stockholm. So I mean, it really is an amazing place to be | :55:22. | :55:30. | |
form. So yeah, tonight, the artists will be getting ready, and it is | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
such an exciting day, and then to be chosen as the UK's representative, | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
it is like no other feeling. You love Eurovision, don't you? Why | :55:40. | :55:46. | |
you love it so much? Oh god people always ask me, I have loved it since | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
I was a kid, and in the UK it has tried my patients are little bit. | :55:52. | :55:58. | |
You know, it is a fun fest, it is a week-long festival of fun, and it is | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
a bit like some people are passionate about sports, other | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
people are passionate about Eurovision! You know, there is a | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
whole community are people who go to the live shows, and we have a | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
wonderful time. Why do you think we don't do better? British music does | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
brilliantly internationally, doesn't it? There is a whole load of | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
reasons, there is politics in it, and certainly last year there was | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
more politics than ever before. Spell it out! Last year, there is a | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
jury and there is the public, and it was the jury is that seemed to swing | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
the vote is lasted, and there was a stop Russia movement, they probably | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
had one of the strongest songs in the competition. Ukraine, Russia, a | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
bit of a situation there, and there was clearly some element of that | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
political tension playing out in some of the votes of the jury is. | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
Did you feel that? It is tough, isn't it? We tried not to focus much | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
on that, because all we saw was our name is slowly going down and down. | :57:02. | :57:09. | |
It started really well! We are doing well! No, we are not. In recent | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
years, we said that you could literally send One Direction and | :57:14. | :57:19. | |
Adele, and we would still get the same result. It is difficult, | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
really, we were hoping to turn it around for the UK, but unfortunately | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
it didn't go the way we wanted. The thing is, it is a national thing | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
that people love. It is still one of the BBC's biggest shows every year, | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
still one of the most watched BBC shows. Last year, around the world, | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
204 million people. So there is something going right with it. You | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
know, particularly in this country, people love to ridicule it, but | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
actually, if you get on board with it and supported and enjoy it for | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
what it is, it is an amazing experience, an amazing show to | :58:00. | :58:06. | |
watch. And as I say, 204 million cannot be wrong, quite a few million | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
in the UK cannot be wrong. So we are supporting a good thing here! A bit | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
of enjoyment for the audiences nowadays, when everything else in | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
the world that is going on. I am afraid we are out of time, enjoy its | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
tonight, it has been fabulous to meet you all, thank you for your | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
company. BBC Newsroom Live is next, I will see you soon, bye-bye. | :58:31. | :58:32. |