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Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,


As Donald Trump says he believes that torture can work to get


information out of terrorism suspects, we'll be asking


what impact his words will have across the world.


We'll be speaking exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who,


together with Amanda Knox, was wrongly imprisoned


for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.


And, the last survivor of the Dambusters raid


on Germany in 1943 has never received a knighthood.


TV presenter and RAF ambassador Carol Vorderman is leading


About British veteran Johnny Johnson.


Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.


All so later we are going to hear exclusive live from the NSPCC, who


are today calling the new child protection measures in sports clubs.


We will bring you all the details, including the extra background


checks you might have to go through if you work with children. Do get in


touch on that, it would be really interesting to hear your views, two


loopholes they are calling for the Government to close immediately. I


would be interesting to hear what it is like trying to get a background


check now if you work with children. Do get in touch on all the stories


we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged


at the standard network rate. The US President Donald Trump has


said he believes that torture can work to get information out


of suspected terrorists. But he said he would seek further


advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques


such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC network


in his first televised interview since becoming President,


he also repeated his pledge to make Mexico pay for a wall along


its border with the United States. Here's our Washington


Correspondent, David Willis. Could America be set for a return


to the interrogation methods of old? A draft executive order


suggests its commander-in-chief could be preparing to return


to the dark days of waterboarding, by reopening the so-called black


site secret prisons operated In his first TV interview


since becoming President, Donald Trump made clear


he is considering scrapping an order by his predecessor that terrorist


suspects be treated in accordance "Torture works",


the President declared. When they're chopping off the heads


of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads


of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East,


when Isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard


of since mediaeval times, would I feel strongly


about water boarding? As far as I'm concerned,


we have to fight fire with fire. Reports suggest Mr Trump is also due


to announce plans to close America's borders to refugees,


for a period at least, and implement tougher visa


restrictions on citizens from certain predominantly Muslim


nations with links to terrorism, In an effort to quell the influx


of illegal immigrants from Mexico, Mr Trump has signed an executive


order to begin work on building A multimillion dollar venture


that he insists Mexico Ultimately it'll come out of what's


happening with Mexico and we're going to be


starting those negotiations soon, and we will be


in a form reimbursed by Mexico. That has ruffled the feathers


of America's southern neighbour. In an address to the nation,


Mexico's president said they have no The Mexican president is due


in Washington next week. He faces difficult discussions


with an American counterpart clearly determined to reverse


many of the changes brought With us now is our political


guru Norman Smith. Theresa May has a forthcoming


meeting with Donald Trump. What's Theresa May hoping


to get out of the meeting? Well, she wants to make sure that we


are in lockstep with Donald Trump, that we are like that with the new


US president. Because while all British prime ministers go over


there and talk about the special relationship, it seems to me Theresa


May is going on awful lot further. She talks about how, you know, we


have fought in wars together. But she says that Britain and America


made the more than world, and we can read it again. She seems almost to


be sort of harking back to an era when Britain and America were the


two superpowers who forged the way things were done in the world. She


says we can do that again, we have shaped institutions and values and


we can once again adopt that leadership role. The second very


striking thing is she seems to be pretty much budding Brexit on the


same page as Mr Trump's election victory, saying both heart of change


and renewal and a time when countries rediscover the sense of


self-confidence. You get the very clear impression that she wants to


put us as close as possible to Donald Trump. The reason for that,


the don't have to be Einstein, is because obviously we are leaving the


EU, and we need new relationships, and boy, oh boy, do we need that


strong alliance with America and that trade deal. And that means


being as close as possible to Donald Trump. Donald Trump as we heard has


been talking about torture. What sort of reaction has there been to


his comments? Very interesting, already there is quite a backlash


from MPs, including from, you know, some of her own MPs, who are very


unhappy about that. We had a senior Conservative MP saying, let me just


get his words, he said... He urged Mrs May to tell Donald Trump that in


no circumstances will she be allowing Britain to be dragged into


facilitating torture. We have it we could from Sarah Wollaston, another


leading Conservative MP. -- a tweet. She says, you cannot lead on a


global stage by advocating torture. And one MP who sits on the


intelligence and Security committee said, these are the people who


monitor our intelligence agencies, he respects me this morning to say,


this is going to cause real problems for the British intelligence


agencies because we are not going to be able to incorporate with the


Americans if they are using torture. -- he texted me this morning. The


guidance that is given to our intelligence officers, let me tell


you what it says. It says, personnel will be aware of concerns about


torture and cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment. There is an


absolute prohibition of torture in international law. The UK Government


policy on such conduct is clear that Mike we do not participate in or


condone the use of torture. In other words, British agents cannot take


advantage of American intelligence if it is being gleaned by torture,


and they cannot be in the same room if torture is being carried out.


That is going to presumably be something which Mrs May is going to


have to confront Donald Trump about. Thank you, Norman.


Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary


Good morning, Victoria. The Government will publish a bill to


enable it invoke Article 50 and trigger a process of leaving the


European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davies says the bill will be


straightforward, although opposition party was will seek to make


amendments. The Government was forced to draw up legislation after


losing an appeal at the Supreme Court.


The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches


to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.


The charity says it's already illegal for teachers and social


workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.


It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks,


with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches


A major report into the health of children in the UK has found


an "alarming gap" exists between the rich and poor -


with one in five young people suffering as a result of poverty.


The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health also suggests


the UK is lagging behind most western European countries when it


comes to measures such as infant mortality rates and obesity.


Our Health Correspondent, Dominic Hughes, reports.


Anxiety, depression and a need to be listened to.


These are the themes of a short play on mental health, devised by school


The issues they touch on reflect those in today's report


on the health of children and young people.


It paints a picture of the UK struggling to match other countries


The evidence has been developing for some time that all is not well


It's the first time we have really put together a proper picture


across all four countries, and the news is not good.


Some of the issues that raise concerns over the state of child


health include just 34% of babies breast fed to six months,


40% of children in England's most deprived areas are overweight


or obese, and half of adult mental health problems start


And for the drama group in Liverpool, mental health issues


Mental illnesses are an illness of the brain, and they're as valid


as any other illnesses to any other part of the body.


Just because you can't see it physically, it doesn't


Our production will mainly be to get rid of that stigma


about mental health, and just educate the audience a bit


The four governments of the UK are all challenged to consider


the impact their policies will have on children.


They've responded by restating commitments


GDP figures for the UK economy are to be released


The figures will cover the fourth quarter of 2016.


For more on this, our Business Presenter Ben Thompson


joins us from the Institute of Engineering and Technology -


in sight of both Parliament and the City.


Obviously lots of people watching these figures very closely, not


least the Prime Minister, as she heads off to meet Donald Trump. What


are we expecting from them? Yes, you're absolutely right, those


figures are watched very closely indeed by both parties, by the


politicians, and also by the City of London. Because it will give us an


indication of just how quickly the UK economy is growing, and it is


looking back, look back at the last quarter of last year. Of course, the


things the economy is contending with our issues that are facing us


in the year ahead, too. That is the uncertainty surrounding the Brexit


folk. There is the rise in prices as much inflation is picking up again,


it means we may be paying more in the shops and supermarkets. But


things like petrol when we go out shopping. Those prices are going up.


At the same time there has been a fall in the value of the pound,


which means that things we have bought from overseas will also be


more expensive. That includes products made elsewhere, and also


raw materials and food that is imported from elsewhere. So, given


that we are expecting the economy to have grown by about half of 1%,


slightly down on the three months before that. Many people saying that


is a good performance given all of that uncertainty. The big question


as we know is what happens in the year ahead? Business is craving some


sort of certainty. It's trying to find out what the Government will do


as far as Brexit is concerned, when it will trigger that Article 50 to


begin those so-called false proceedings. That is weighing very


heavily on their mind when it comes to making decisions -- divorce


proceedings. When it comes to expanding the business or taking on


new staff. There is uncertainty surrounding the presidency of Donald


Trump. Those figures are due out at 9:30am.


The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit


for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up


The bank, which is more than 70% owned by the taxpayer,


could be fined an additional ?3 billion by the US


Almost half of all hospitals in England are failing to meet basic


Government standards for hospital food, according to data released


The Campaign for Better Hospital Food warns


The Government says standards are improving.


Ant and Dec won the prize for Best TV Presenter for the 16th year


running at last night's National Television Awards.


The BBC presenter Graham Norton was recognised for his services to


broadcasting. Len Goodman lost out on the public's choice of best


judge. Other winners included


Mary Berry for Best Judge. The BBC's Strictly Come Dancing


picked up the gong Emmerdale was voted Best Soap,


and ITV's This Morning won Please welcome your


host for the night! The National Television Awards bring


out the great and the good A new category was


introduced this year for Period Drama, won


by Call the Midwife. It was up against the likes of Peaky


Blinders and Poldark. Best Comedy went


to Mrs Brown's Boys, that got the award


for Best Talent Show. Best TV Judge went to a very


surprised Mary Berry, in her final The first and foremost


thing is to be fair, Despite our television


viewing habits changing, the average household watches


about 3.5 hours a day. Nights like these are a chance


to celebrate the best of what's Ladies and gentlemen,


the nation's heartthrob, Chatshow host Graham Norton


collected the Lifetime Achievement And Ant and Dec won Best TV


Presenter for the 16th year We are very lucky to have the three


shows at the moment, and long We just want to keep


making good telly. But the surprise of the night


was Casualty's win for Best Drama. The Saturday night staple


which turned 30 last year. It be some high profile and high


budget smashes, including the night manager and Game of Thrones.


I loved that air punch from Mary Berry!


That's a summary of the latest BBC News.


Congratulations to all of the winners, particularly Ant and Dec.


With regards to Donald Trump's comments on torture, Robben Facebook


says, Theresa May is demonstrating incompetent and a total lack of


judgment by visiting the American president. Your views are welcome.


Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -


If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.


Time for sport with Hugh Woozencroft.


And Hugh, it's Throwback Thursday at the Australian Open


Good morning, Victoria. It's a vintage year in tennis. 2015 has


seen the rear burdens of that and Katya and Nadal, and now Venus and


Serena Williams will appear opposite each other -- the re-emergence.


Serena Williams won her match 6-2, 6-1. It took just 50 minutes.


Against the Arms seeded Croatian. It wasn't to be again the world number


two. -- the unseeded Croatian. She will be looking to win a record 23rd


grand slam singles title. In the way is her old sister Venus. She won


back her match in three sets -- her older sister. So, a great result for


her, a brilliant result for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and his


partner David whitener. They have won the final against the Paralympic


champions. We are guaranteed a British winner in the men's


wheelchair doubles in Melbourne. Alfie Hewett and Gordon Reid will


face off with their respective partners. Roger Federer playing at


the moment, just darted his semifinal against Stan Wawrinka,


five or in the first set of that one.


The league cup final, what is happening there? Liverpool were in


such good form, but they have reached their first EFL Cup final


since 1979, Southampton, after beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield


last night, and they were one goal up from the first leg as well. Shane


Long sealed their place. They will face the whole city by Manchester


United. -- Hull. What about the reaction to Usain Bolt having one of


his medals being taken away because of a team-mate? He will not be


smiling today. And he will have to get back one of his Olympic gold


medals after his team-mate Nesta Carter was disqualified over a


doping incident at Beijing. Jamaica have been stripped of the gold in


the four by 100 metres. He can no longer claim to hold the famous


triple triple. He says he will appeal to the Court of Arbitration


for Sport. And some very good news for British skiing fans, something


we don't say often. Milli night and her guide won downhill gold on the


opening day of the world Para Alpine Championships in Italy.


Her guide shouts instructions from in front of her. He helped her to


see the racing line as well. She has won 11 medals, seven of them gold,


in a great 12 months. We will have more headlines that have passed.


CNN. It's nearly ten years since British


student Meredith Kercher was killed while studying in Italy,


in what became - and has remained - one of the most notorious


murder cases in the world. This morning, we can speak


exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who together with Meredith's


roommate Amanda Knox, was wrongly convicted


and imprisoned for the crime. He says the ordeal


has scarred his life. And with legal bills


that topped ?1 million, he's now pushing for compensation


from the Italian government. TRANSLATION: Both the defendants


for A, B, C and D are acquitted because they have not


committed the crime. I think we are still


on the journey to the truth. It may be the fact that we don't


ever really know what I'm a normal guy who passed


through a nightmare. Now I'm different, because of


the nightmare I passed through. Good morning to you. Good morning.


Tell us how your life has been changed by what you experienced. I


am a kind of normal person. It is a weird kind of celebrity which older


people look at, especially in Italy, but it is not a good thing, because


of course, I bore a burden of an image that is not who I really am.


That image is what, do you think? It depends who is looking at me. In


Italy, they are split between people who think that I am innocent and


people who think that I am guilty. It depends on what they have as a


background in their mind and they think about me something different


on one side or another. Those people who think you are guilty, do you


believe you will ever be able to change their minds, or have you


accepted that? Each time I spoke with them, each time any person


meets me and talks to me, they realise that what the media said


Mears totally -- said about me is totally different from what I am, so


they changed their mind each time, but as you may understand, it is not


possible to reach all the people involved in this case. With the


news, you can reach 5 million people. I can know a few hundred of


them. Can you give our audience an insight into what it is like to be


wrongly jailed for a crime that you had nothing to do with? It's really


a nightmare, and it affects all of your life. It changes it. You have


to face, you have to struggle for anything that you do. You have


attention for everything that you do. Even a tiny false step, it's


made like a huge thing. Like what? What false step of you made that has


been blown up? At the beginning, you can imagine that I was bringing a


pocket knife in my jeans since I was 13 years old. The police department


thought that it was the murder knife, even if it was just a


collection article. Even this, or the fact that I didn't ask for a


lawyer during the interrogations, or even my misinterpretation of the


seriousness of the case. Anything, really. Later, each thing I said,


each thing I looked at the case with Amanda, whatever I did was taken as


a fault, a big fall. Anything that I look at was a clue of my guilt, so


it is really tragic. And do you feel under scrutiny now, as you try to


rebuild your life, still? Yes, because I run my home business. I


have an application to commemorate people who have been lost, for


relatives who have passed away, and I got a lot of criticism on that.


Also, anything like whatever I decided to do, comments on other


cases on television, they ask me to be someone with an opinion because


of what I passed through. I got a lot of criticism as well, so it is


kind of anything I do has to be commented by anyone in a good way or


in a bad way. It depends on what they really think about me. Have you


accepted that you will probably for ever be associated with the death of


Meredith Kercher? I hope it will not be in this way for the rest of my


life. Of course, it's a big part, it's a parenthesis inside it's a


really important case, and in the history of judgments, it will be an


imprint for ever, but I don't think that my life is bounded by this,


because it is over. There has to be an end of it. Of course, in the


trials, this is the end. But in the people's mind, it has to be


digestive. How have you tried to rebuild your life? Yeah, I'm trying


still. I'm struggling. The greatest obstacle, I find, along my path is


prejudice by people whom I don't know. This is something that I think


will, step-by-step, clear up. It takes time and force and you have to


have the will to do that. I cannot hide and close inside myself,


because it can be worse. I was going to ask, have you ever considered


moving from Italy? Lily, that is where your family, but has that been


a consideration? Not so, because I have all my family, and I run a


business there. I have not considered. They did something


really terrible to me... They? The prosecution. There was nothing wrong


I did, so there is no real reason to leave my country because of


something that I didn't do. You believe that you and Amanda Knox are


victims - what do you mean by that? I mean that we were appointed by the


prosecution since the beginning without any real clue. They needed


to close the case as soon as possible because there was the


greatest attention ever from all over the world on a murder case, so


they needed the guilty people soon. I remember the police department of


Perugia is making a press conference, an international press


conference, saying that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty,


and Meredith Kercher was murdered inside and orgies gone wrong. -- an


or G -- orgy gone wrong. They did not want to go back and look at


clues and real facts at the murder scene to follow the right theory.


And that is what you mean by saying you are rape victim. How do you


think of Meredith Kercher's family? I think about them, and I am really


sad that they still stick about the prosecution theory, because it is


completely wrong. They missed the case. They say they still have


questions and that they may never know the truth. That is what the


prosecution says today. It is exactly the same thing. I am sad


they repeat what the prosecution says, because the real facts about


this murder, I have seen the documents also you can read them and


see that the reality of this case is completely different from what the


prosecution wanted to make people believe.


What is the nature of your friendship or otherwise with Amanda


Knox now? We are friends. And, yeah, very fast friends. Sometimes we


talk, but not so often. Right. Do you ever talk about the past? No.


There is no reason to do that. Actually we did it for five days. It


is completely meaningless to talk about it. But you had a shared


experience, four years in jail, both of you, for something which you...


This is something that you can use for other people who have been


wrongly jailed. So I'm trying to reach associations to help wrongly


imprisoned prisoners. Prisoners, all of them, and also much more people


who have been jailed for a mistake. And I think that doing our


imprisonment, we formed even a path, but not the same, because she was


inside the female prison, I was inside the men's prison. So we


completely lived in two different world's, even though these world's


were parallel. On Friday, you will find out if you are to receive


compensation from the Italian authorities for the wrongful


imprisonment you experienced. What is the maximum that you could spec


to receive? -- that you could expect. The maximum is 516,000


jurors. That is what you have asked for? Yeah. -- your rose. Of course,


we have all the rights to claim it. But that is not even enough to


compensate what my family and me paid around these years. Because the


past ten years of this ordeal, of this nightmare, in this ten years we


sold even our apartments. We have still that's on it. What do your


debts had up to, do you know? How much debt are you and your family


in? We have still around 400,000 euros of debt. So this can just


clear up our debts. And a little more. But, you know, in the end,


we... This is a calculation, because this is the maximum you can ask for


your wrongful imprisonment. It doesn't have nothing to do with the


ordeal itself. With the ordeal? With the ordeal itself, because of


course, this is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this


ordeal didn't last only for years, it lasted for ten years. I was


inside this nightmare for ten years. After the decision, we have to think


and manage how to make the government no that this is not just


my imprisonment, this has affected all of my life, and affected even a


big part of my life ten years. Is it difficult to meet new people? Or


not? Yes, it's not that difficult, it's always... A kind of, they have


prejudiced. They always change their mind and view me as a normal guy.


But on the other side, before I come by and I speak to anybody, they feel


something that is, I don't know, and or around me, which is heavy, which


is something that they have to cope to, and they feel it. A couple of


messages from people watching you speak this morning. Sarah says, so


many lives have been ruined by this case. Roger says, the only victims,


he disagrees with you, he says the only victims in this dreadful crime


are Meredith Kercher and her family. There are many victims in this case.


Amanda's parents, my parents, all our families, Patrice mamba's


families, there are a lot of victims, actually. Meredith Kercher


is the first victim. But there are many others made by the prosecution


mistakes. What does your future hold? I don't know. What do you hope


for? I hope to make my company began bigger. -- bigger and bigger. And to


help people who have been wrongfully imprisoned. Those are the two goals.


I'm following. Thank you very much for talking to us today. Thanks for


your time. Thank you. We appreciate it. A couple of bits of breaking


news to bring you. This is on the state of our prisons in England and


Wales. New figures show that a record number of people killed


themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. The Ministry of


Justice says there were 119 deaths, the highest number sets records were


first compiled in 1978. The overall number of deaths in jails was also


at a record 354. We will bring you more on that story and reaction in


the programme this morning. And the latest figures which give us an idea


about the state of the UK economy is just out. The UK economy grew by


0.6% during the the fourth quarter, the last few months of 2016. That


from the office of National sadistic. The British economy grew


by just over 0.5% during the last few months of 2016.


And we'll be live at the Science Museum in London


as Tim Peak unveils the spacecraft he used on his recent mission


Dambuster hero George Johnny Johnson is the last surviving Brit


of the bouncing bomb raids on Hitlers dams.


We speak to Carol Vorderman about why she's spearheading


Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.


Good morning. Let's begin with President Trump.


The US President Donald Trump has said he believes that torture can


work to get information out of suspected terrorists.


But he said he would seek further advice before deciding


whether to bring back techniques such as water-boarding.


Speaking to the American ABC network, in his first televised


interview since becoming President, he also repeated his pledge to make


Mexico pay for a wall along its border with the United States.


It comes as Theresa May travels to the US to become the first world


The Government will publish a Bill today to enable it to invoke Article


50 and trigger the process of the UK leaving the European Union.


The Brexit Secretary David Davis says the Bill will be


straightforward, although opposition parties will seek


The Government was forced to draw up the legislation after losing


The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches


to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.


The charity points out that it's already illegal for teachers


and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.


It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks,


with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches


The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit


for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up


to the financial crisis of 2008. The bank, which is more than 70%


owned by the taxpayer, could be fined an additional


?3 billion by the US Department of Justice.


That's a summary of the latest BBC News.


Hello again. It has been a big day for the Williams family. Venus and


Serena making the final at the Australian open. Venus took three


sets to beat a fellow American and reach her first grand slam final


since Wimbledon in 2009, when she played her younger sister Serena.


Serena dominated her opponent to reach a 34th major final, it took


her less than an hour. Roger Federer won the first set of his semifinal


against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. He broke him in the last


game of the set. So far it has gone with serve 2-2 in the second. Shane


Long's goal booked them a spot in the EFL Cup final with eight 2-0 win


over Liverpool. Britain's Milind night won downhill gold on the


opening day of the world Paris skiing championships in Italy. She


beat the five-time Paralympic champion of Slovakia. That's all the


sport for now, we will be back with more just after 10am. Let's go live


to the Commons now. The Brexit Secretary David Davies is outlining


the Goverment's white paper, the formal policy document, to his


colleagues. Taking into account the framework between the future


relationship of the EU and the UK. It is therefore impossible to start


negotiations unless one has an outline agreement on what that


framework should be. Obviously, MPs are able to respond to what David


Davies is saying. This is Peter Lilley, Conservative MP. Will we


press our partners to clarify that right at the beginning of the


negotiations? Well, we already have done. I am in my one meeting with,


when he was talking about the sequential approach, which seems to


me not practical, for me it really isn't possible to come to an outcome


on either the negotiations without a clear idea of the trade aspect of


the negotiations. His description is pretty accurate, and I've said in


terms that we intend all of this to be concluded within the two years.


Big off says it wants nothing further to do with the European


Court of Justice. So the Government says. In any new free trade


agreement with this 27 member states, there will have to be a


legal arbitration mechanism whose rulings will be obliged to


implement. If the European Court of Justice is not acceptable, what


court would be? Well, it would not this is the only by a court. He is


quite right, most international... LAUGHTER


Listen to the answer! Most international trade agreements have


an arbitration, normally preceded by mediation, which is used more often.


In the case of the Canada arbitration, for example, you have


got one person from each side and one neutral who are appointed by


agreement, if agreement cannot be reached, it is a fallback and a


simple arbitration mechanism. There is all of the difference in the


world between a simple trade arbitration mechanism and a court


that reaches into every nut and cranny of your society stop by David


Davies, Brexit Secretary, answering a question from Hilary Benn. What is


David Davis doing this morning, Norman? That was a little bit of


shadow boxing. What they are all waiting for is this Bill to trigger


our withdrawal from the EU, what is called the European Union


notification of withdrawal bill. That's the legislation which will


begin the process of us leaving the EU and being out within the next two


years. MPs are kind of waiting until they see that. The expectation is


that it will be a short bill, stripped down, pared back, the


Government alt-right FastTrack through the Commons. Later this


morning we will get an idea from the Government in which the pace it


wants to move. The signs are they want that bill through the House of


Commons within a fortnight. And then it goes to that place, the House of


Lords, where there may be more trouble ahead. The Government has no


control in the House of Lords, they do not have a majority, and appears


pretty much do what they want, but most of them are opposed to Brexit.


There is a potential for them to cause all sorts of difficulties. The


indications are the Government have left a big fat whopping six weeks to


get the Bill through the House of Lords in order to meet Mrs May's


deadline of the end of March for beginning, beginning with all from


the EU. Thank you very much, Norman. Coming up...


We hear from the man known as "the Spielberg of video games",


and get his vision of Let's go to the Science Museum


in London now, where everyone's favourite astronaut -


Tim Peake - is meeting fans Let's join our correspondent


Rebecca Morelle. I am here at the science Museum, and


here is the Soyuz capsule that took Tim Peake into space. It then safely


brought him back down again. You can see from looking at it, the size of


it, it is pretty small. The crew of three would have been really snug in


there. Tim Peake spoke about his experience inside the Soyuz capsule


a little while ago at a press conference. The first time I got to


say it was -- see it was at the top of the elevator. It had 300 tonnes


of rocket fuel waiting to go into orbit. That evening, there were


three very excited astronauts in the capsule, but I think there were


about 3000 very excited students right here at the London science


Museum to witness that launch. I have subsequently been able to watch


the launch party from space, and it was one of the few occasions where I


wished I was on the ground because it seemed there was a good party


going on back here. After that, I saw this spacecraft every day,


because our docking port was right next to the cup of the window. I


always took a moment to look at it, not just out of fondness for the


Accra, but this thing is our lifeboat for six months, our only


way of getting back to Earth safely. And the Soyuz is sat there for six


months, exposed to the vacuum of space, B radiation, small meteorite,


and so it is prudent to visually inspect it each day to make sure


everything is OK. One of the most demanding phases for a spacecraft,


it is of course, is to return the crew safely through the Earth's


atmosphere. Although this module has been refurbished, I was delighted to


see that it still bears the scorch marks of the 1600 Celsius punishment


the spacecraft takes as it re-entered the Earth's atmosphere.


And you can see the scorch marks on there. This thing went through a


really turbulent ride as it re-entered. There is a select band


of people who have been into space and have travelled in one of the


Soyuz capsules before. I am joined by one, Helen Sharman. You went up


in 1991. This must bring back some real memories. It is fabulous to see


a spacecraft that has really been to space. Rarely do space astronauts


get to see their own. It is often just before launch date, and then


once you are in space, of course. You can see on the outside that it


has really been through all that turmoil and turbulence as it comes


back through the atmosphere. Very special. We have your spacesuit on


display, and now they have purchased the capsule for an undisclosed


amount - why is it important to get objects like this on display for the


public? Why do it? It is a piece of history, but it ties us very closely


to a person who sat inside it for the launch and the landing. If you


imagine what has happened inside that spacecraft, how Tim must've


been feeling, and looking at all the science, technology and engineering


that goes into creating not just the capsule but the whole aspect of


making space flight possible. It is hugely inspirational. Helen, thank


you very much. The public will be able to see this soon. It forms part


of the permanent collection here. The last time Tim saw this was back


in Kazakhstan. It must have been quite an emotional moment for him to


actually see it this morning, too. The public will get a chance to clap


eyes on it later on today. Thank you, Rebecca.


George Johnson - the last surviving member


of the famous Dambusters Raid - was only in his early 20s


when he and the rest of Bomber Command Squadron 617


embarked on the perilous mission to destroy dams in Germany in 1943.


His job was to aim the bouncing bombs, circling each dam


in his Lancaster 10 times until certain the


Every attempt to improve the aim increased the risk,


and many of his friends were killed that night.


Last year George - who everyone calls Johnny -


was passed over for a knighthood after being nominated


for his charity work and service to the country.


Today his friend Carol Vorderman is going to Parliament -


along with Gulf War veteran John Nicol - in a campaign to get


I'm ambassador for the Royal Air Force Air Cadets.


It was our 75th anniversary so we had this massive


Johnny came, and the Air Cadets absolutely adore him.


Everybody in the Air Force adores him.


Since then, because both Johnny and I live in Bristol,


we've met a few times and just had a nice time.


But I had no idea that he'd been nominated, let alone...


And he didn't appear on the New Year's Honours and that's when it


motivated you to really power behind this petition.


Together with The Sun newspaper and I.


And a lot of people don't know the story of the Dambusters.


I'm 56, so I was brought up in a generation where we were told


stories about World War II, because many of our fathers had


But what I found over the last three weeks,


So it's as relevant today, after last year and all


of the tumultuous things that are happening around the world,


it's becoming more relevant, how we fight for peace.


Tell our audience, for those who want to learn more,


Dambuster Squadron, as it's known, is the 617 Squadron.


And in May 1943 it was decided that we had to take the war to Hitler.


So they were in Lancaster bombers which flew very low and slow.


And this was a bouncing bomb, which was aimed -


and designed by Barnes Wallis - so that they could destroy


some of the dams, and therefore a lot of the industrial heartland


when the dams burst, which were generating


and making aircraft and tanks and machinery and so on,


which were obviously servicing Hitler and his armies and forces.


So the Dambusters raid, it was an outrageous thought,


Many aircraft took off, and sadly not so many came back,


and they managed to destroy three dams and damage another.


Three were captured as prisoners of war.


And of those 77, only 45 survived the war within Bomber Command.


Bomber Command was made up of a number of squadrons,


And Bomber Command was the military unit that suffered the most


Because of the bombings on certain cities towards the end of the war,


they were snubbed politically when the war was over.


And this was felt very deeply by the veterans and their families.


It was only in 2012, and I had quite a lot to do


with the fundraising for the Bomber Command memorial.


A memorial was erected to those people in Green Park.


So Johnny has said that if he were offered a knighthood,


he is a terrifically modest gentleman, that he would accept


with due humility on behalf of those in 617 Squadron and for the greater


What exactly are you doing today with this petition?


John Nicol, who is a Gulf War veteran, and I, are starting


at the Bomber Command memorial because it's significant that we do.


We have this petition, another 32,000 people signed overnight.


We will be handing over the petition, but also


a new official nomination for an honour at 10 Downing St.


We will be going from the Bomber Command memorial to 10


I don't think we will be allowed in, but we are handing it over.


And the petition remains open after that.


Thank you very much. All the best, thank you.


Next: Britain's economy grew by 0.6% in the final three months in 2016


according to figures from the office of National statistics. Some


economists forecast a slowdown after the June referendum. Let's speak to


Andy Verity. It is the same as most of the economic news since the


referendum, it is on the upsides. -- on the upside. Before the global


financial crisis nine years ago, we have had slower growth and it has


been more volatile, our pants down, and it was expected that the


referendum would cause an economic shock that would slow us down again,


but no sign of it so far. The Bank of England did various things to try


and ameliorate that. I am sure the Bank of England would like us to


think its actions had avoided any further slowdown, but I think it's


mostly down to the consumer, really. And the consumer being willing to


borrow probably unsustainable amounts to sustain spending. Most of


the growth in these numbers is from the services sector. Which means


what? It is having a haircut, getting on public transport,


watching TV, all of those things. It is not construction or production.


Think of North Sea oil etc, getting metal out of the ground. Those are


relatively small part of the economy. The economy is 80% services


anyway, so you want that sector to grow. The concern there has been for


years is that we have balanced growth which emphasises exports and


getting money into the country. Instead, we are growing on the same


basis we grew before the love of financial crisis, but we're


borrowing and spending. Thank you very much, Andy.


We'll have reaction to Donald Trump's comments on torture -


he says he believes it can work to get information out


We will also have reaction to the figures released in the last


half-hour showing that a record number of people killed themselves


in jail in England and Wales last year. The latest news and sport in a


moment, after the latest weather. We will start with our weather


watcher pictures, because it is quite grey out there. This was North


Yorkshire. There are a few breaks in the cloud in Cheshire. Some sunshine


poking through here. The cold feel is accentuated by the wind. It is a


cold, bitter wind coming in from the near continent. The cold across


Europe has been well documented recently, and it is heading our way.


Some places will struggle to get above freezing. The breeze has


helped to lift the fog out of the way, but we have a lot of low cloud.


Under the cloud, perhaps a spot or two of light rain, perhaps a flake


of snow. Most places will be dry but cold, most places hovering around


freezing. In the north, a few breaks in the cloud, as we have seen in


Cheshire, but the best breaks have been across central and northern


parts of Scotland. The eastern side sees more clout. -- more


cloud. For many of us, it will feel like a subzero day. It feels like


minus five Celsius, minus six Celsius across the North of England.


The end of the week is windy, from the South. In the West, changes are


taking place. A weather front moves in from the Atlantic, the breeze


picks up, and there will be thicker cloud, outbreaks of rain in Northern


Ireland, western extremities of England and Wales, and just getting


into Scotland as well. Pretty chilly in the north-east, only to Celsius


in Newcastle. -- two Celsius. Temperatures are up a bit. Eight


Celsius is fairly typical. Saturday night into Sunday, rain moves across


the southern half of the UK. There are questions about the details were


Sunday. This rain could go further north or south. Not set in stone,


but the temperatures relatively mild. Further north, sunshine and


six Celsius. Hello, it's 10am, I'm


Victoria Derbyshire. In an exclusive interview, Raffaele


Sollecito, who - together with Amanda Knox - was wrongly imprisoned


for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, tells this


programme he's been living in a nightmare for ten years. There are


many victims in this case. Amanda's parents, my parents, all of our


families. Patrick's family, Patrick himself, the lot of victims,


actually. Of course, Meredith Kercher is the first victim. But


there are many others made by prosecution mistakes. He has also


told us he is hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt after paying legal


bills. He will find out this week if he is to achieve compensation from


the Italian government. And you can watch the whole


of that exclusive interview Donald Trump says "torture


works" with terrorists, as Theresa May prepares to fly


to the US to meet him. When they are chopping off the heads


of people because they happen to be When Isis is doing things that


nobody has ever heard of since medieval times,


would I feel strongly As far as I'm concerned,


we have to fight fire with fire. We'll be speaking to Moazzam Begg,


a former Guantanamo detainee who says he experienced torture


at the hands of the Americans, and to a former Director


of Intelligence at M16 to ask him The NSPCC tells this programme that


if we are to tackle child sex abuse in sport it must be made illegal


for sports coaches to have sex with We will talk to them in the next


hour. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom


with a summary of today's news. Good morning. A record number of


inmates killed themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year, new


figures show. The Ministry of Justice said the -- the world 119


suicides. The number of self harm incidents jumped by 13% -- 23%. I am


very clear that the levels of violence in our prisons are too


high. The levels of self harm are too high. Since I became Justice


Secretary I have focused on dealing with this problem. That is why we


are investing an extra ?100 million, 2500 extra prison officers. The man


acquitted of the murder of Meredith Kercher alongside Amanda Knox has


told this programme that he still has more than 400,000 euros of debt


following the case. He said the maximum he can claim from the


Italian government following the acquittal doesn't cover the cost.


This is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this ordeal


didn't last only four years, it lasted for ten years. I was inside


this nightmare for ten years. GDP figures for the UK economy,


which measure national output, They cover the fourth


quarter of last year They're unchanged from 0.6% over


the previous three months. Economists had forecast a slow-down


after the Brexit referendum. but strong consumer spending in the


run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel and restaurant industry is


boosted the economy. The US President Donald Trump says


he believes that torture can work to get information out


of suspected terrorists. But he says he would seek further


advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques


such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC


network, Mr Trump also repeated his pledge to make Mexico


pay for a wall along its border It comes as Theresa May travels


to the US to become the first world The NSPCC is demanding that it be


made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds


in their care. The charity points out that it's


already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex


with 16 and 17-year-olds It also wants to tighten the rules


around background checks, with the most stringent checks


becoming compulsory for all coaches The Government will publish a Bill


today to enable it to invoke Article 50 and trigger the process of the UK


leaving the European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davis


says the Bill will be straightforward, although opposition


parties will seek The Government was forced to draw up


the legislation after losing That's a summary of


the latest BBC News. Good morning. As we said earlier, it


really is throwback Thursday. Venus and Serena Williams will meet in the


final of the Australian open. 35-year-old Serena powering past her


opponent 6-2, 6-1 in just 15 minutes. For the unseeded Croatian,


it was the first Grand Slams Sehmi the 18 years, but it wasn't to be in


the world number two. She will now attempt to win a record 23rd Grand


Slam singles title. The woman standing in her way is her older


sister, Venus. The 13th seed won a match in 13 sets -- in three sets to


win her first major match since she beat Serena in 2009. Whenever I'm


playing on the court with her, I mean, I'm playing like the best


competitor in the game. I don't think I'm trying to change either,


you know. I can compete, you know, against any odds. I'm going to do


what I can to earn it. I'm not thinking about, oh, what can I do to


win, I'm thinking, oh, what can I do to earn it? That's what I can tell


you right now, I'm so excited. Roger Federer has established a two set


lead against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka in his semifinal. He


bids to win a fifth Australian open title. Wawrinka is one in the third


in that one. A great day for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and partner


David Wagner. They won the final against the Paralympic champions in


straight sets. That was in the men's quads. Southampton have reached the


first EFL Cup final since 1979 by beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield


last night. A goal up from the first leg, Southampton did spend much of


the match defending, before Shane Long booked his side's trip to


Wembley in added time. Amazingly, Southampton have reached the final


without conceding a single goal in the competition. They will face


either Hull city or Manchester United, who play the match tonight.


United have a lead in that one. We are used to see a white crane on the


face of Usain Bolt, but he definitely won't be smiling this


time -- a wide grin. He was disqualified because of his


team-mate's doping violation at the Beijing games. They say his


team-mate tested positive in a free analysis of samples from the 2008


Olympics. They made up after the relay team. As a result, Jamaica


have been stripped of their gold, meaning he can no longer claim to


hold that famous treble - treble. He may get a repeal because Carter will


appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The winner of the


downhill gold has now withdrawn from today's super G competition. She


collided heavily with the crash barriers after she crossed the


finish line when she won the downhill gold on the opening day of


the world Para Alpine ski championships in Italy. That's all


the sport for now. We will have the headlines at 10:30am. Thanks, Hugh.


Over the past few months on this programme, we've brought


you exclusive testimony from former footballers who allege


they were sexually abused as young players at clubs across the country.


Now it's emerged that it's not illegal for sports coaches to have


sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.


The NSPCC is today demanding that loophole must be closed


The charity also wants to tighten the rules around background checks.


Wanting the most stringent check compulsory for all coaches


Jim, people will be shocked it's not illegal for sports coaches to have


sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.


Let's take you through how it works in this country at the moment.


But it's also illegal for someone in authority to have sex


But that only applies to certain roles and professions.


So for example, a teacher, social worker, someone


It's not across it is only in these named professions.


So it would then be illegal for a football coach to have sex,


even consensual sex, with anyone under the age of 18.


The NSPCC says that should also apply to other roles -


And there's a second change asked for as well?


So this is to do with background checks which show whether someone


has a criminal record or has been banned from working with children.


If you or a football club, you can have a background check. That should


tell you, does this person have a criminal record? Are they barred


from working with children even if they don't have a criminal record?


In 2012, the Government relaxed the rule on this.


So as things stand, it's now in fact against the law for a local football


club to get the most stringent or enhanced check unless that coach


is working on their own with kids on a regular basis.


They have to be working unsupervised on a regular basis.


The NSPCC now thinks the Government has gone too far.


They want to look into assistant coaches and assistant managers who


might not be unsupervised, but do have a lot of contact with kids.


They want that loophole closed so it is compulsory for everybody.


One person this morning called this "drivel that will make


Their argument is that this is really tinkering around


the edges, and they want a much tougher form of child protection.


One idea is Mandatory Reporting, which we've spoken about


The Goverment's consulting on that measure at the moment.


Now, that would mean if you are working for a football


club and you have a reasonable suspicion that abuse is going on,


And the argument is that would change the culture


It would be against the law to not report it. That is not the case in


this country at the moment, whereas it is in other countries like


Australia. Ian Ackley was the victim of abuse


in the 80s by a football coach. He is now one of the people speaking


to the FA about child safety. This takes a shift


in attitude of people. You can put all the legislation


in place that you want to, but unless the attitudes


of people and organisations shift dramatically, we are going to be


stuck with all the same barriers And what we need to do is make this


effective to protect all children What does the Government say? It


says it has written to all of sport's governing bodies late last


year to make the child protection policies as strong as possible.


Thanks, Jim. We can speak to the NSPCC's


Lisa McCrindle, who wants the law to be changed,


father of two sport playing kids and Chair of Culture,


Media and Sport Committee Damian Collins MP, Andy Wilby,


who was abused by his gym coach at 14 years old and has


waived his right to anonymity, Lisa, protection in sport ends at


16? What currently happens is around those individuals having


relationships with 16 and 17-year-olds, what we want to make


sure that is the same protections are in place are extended to those


working regularly with children who are also able to establish those


relationships and potentially abuse them. Because a predator working


with kids, even with another adult are, can still target children?


Absolutely. In relation to the 16 and 17-year-olds, extension of the


existing laws we think it should be covering a wider group of people, to


protect those young people developing intense relationships in


sporting and training relationships, they will have intense


relationships, a position of trust which can be abused. Just as weak


spectators not to do that, we should be applying that two other -- just


as teachers are not expected to do that. Did you know that legally


sports coaches could have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in the care?


Well, Victoria, I was shocked to hear that, too, because I think it


is wrong. I think anybody looking at that would say that this is clearly


a massive loophole that needs to be closed down. It is entirely


inappropriate for coaches to have sexual contact with people as young


as 16 and 17 years old. Are you going to close it down then? I will


certainly raise this with the Government. I think this should be


looked at, and if it acquires a change in legislation we should do


that. And criminal checks, which the NSPCC is also calling for to be


tightened today, before 2012-13 there was a process in which an


adult who was working regularly with children in the presence of another


adult could be checked. You and the Lib Dems relaxed that, you stopped


that. Was that a mistake? I think we have to be careful with this.


Because I see with my own children involved in grassroots sport, a lot


of grassroots sport is delivered by parents, you know, working as


coaches and supporting coaches. At that grassroots level, where


actually the access to the children is fully supervised, often by


multiple adults, in an environment like that, would it be necessary? I


think that environment is very different from the sort of


environment where we have had this debate and, you know, all. Or is you


have had on your programme about abuse in sport, younger people who


are part of formal academies and clubs. I think the coaches working


in the environment like that, where unsupervised access is more likely


to occur, should have those checks in place. I think we need to look


very carefully at the recommendation Yannis BCC has made and say,


actually, should this be a statutory requirement or an obligation that is


placed on the sports and the clubs to make sure that any coach who


works for them who is likely or potentially could have unsupervised


access is checked in this way. Do you accept that even if there are


other adults around, a predator can groom children? As I say, when you


look at real grassroots sports, and my eight-year-old son plays at the


local rugby club, there is a family atmosphere, lots of parents and


coaches around. The reality is that a lot of grassroots sport is


delivered by volunteers and parents together working on weekend


mornings. That is different from a more formal coaching relationship. I


understand the point you're making. It is very different. On the


question of bringing in legislation across the board, it will create a


huge amount of bureaucracy for community and family run clubs,


whereas actually what we want to do is target a structure that is


slightly further up the football pyramid, where children are more


intensively involved in sport, under the supervision of coaches and away


from their families. I think all the proper checks should be done in that


situation. Should that be enforced by the sport or does it require an


across-the-board change to legislation, is the question. Let me


bring in Andy. Thank you for talking to us. You were groomed and abused


by your weight training course when you were 14 and it went on for 18


months. I wonder if you can tell the audience what the impact has been on


your life what you went through. It has been difficult, leading me to


suburb with anxiety and depression. Drug and drink problems when I was


younger. And it is quite difficult. My kids are getting involved with


grassroots sport now, and it's quite difficult to trust that the same


thing wouldn't happen to them at some point. What do you think of


what the NSPCC is calling for today, for these, as they describe them,


loopholes to be closed by the Government immediately? I completely


agree. Anything that can protect children from what I have been


through is nothing but a good thing, and the Government should be doing


everything in their power to make sure children are not abused. Do you


think that enhancing the checks on those who work with children could


lead to fewer volunteers coming forward to help out with their kids'


sports clubs? May be in the short-term, but I see it as a minor


inconvenience when it comes to make King sure -- making sure our


children are safe. You heard what David said - potentially it could be


too bureaucratic and could put people off volunteering. What do you


say? Those volunteers are already checked. That already happens, the


enhanced check. We want to make sure that the most stringent check, a


check against those who are barred from working with children, is


included. At the moment, the legislation prohibits that. In


response, we would be concerned. Most of the cases we have heard


about recently, and the calls we get on our helpline, demonstrate that


abuse doesn't have to take place when you are alone. It is


facilitated with the relationships that are established with the child,


and also with the family and carers. Because you've established that


relationship, the abuse can then take place in other settings because


the trust is enabled. This won't create additional bureaucracy


because those individuals were already being checked. This is an


opportunity to protect our children and ensure that the most stringent


checks are undertaken on adults so we're not losing opportunities to


make sure we are prohibiting those who are barred from working with


children. And the, trusting other adults when your kids want to get


involved in sport, do you find yourself stopping them doing things


because of what you experienced as a teenager? -- Andy. The majority of


people are not predators, and you do have to trust these things. I would


be reluctant to leave them with anybody unsupervised. Thank you for


coming on the programme. Damian Collins, thank you for joining us.


And Lisa McCrindle from the NSPCC. We'll see what happens and report


back for our audience. A record number of inmates killed


themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. We will be to


someone who knows what it is like to be suicidal in prison.


Donald Trump says torture works and "we have to


In his first TV interview since becoming US President,


he told ABC News that he will be consulting with his Defence


Secretary and CIA Director over whether they should look


at using water-boarding, which simulates drowning


and is currently banned in the US, and other methods.


Mr President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring


Yeah. And a hell of a lot worse.


When they are shooting, when they are


When they are chopping off the heads of people


because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East.


When Isis is doing things that nobody has


ever heard of since medieval times, would I feel strongly about


As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire


Now, with that being said, I'm going with General Mattis.


I'm going with my secretary, because I think Mike Pompeo is going to be


phenomenal. I am going to go with what they say. I spoke as recently


24 hours ago with people at the highest level intelligence and asked


them the question, does it work? Does torture work? The answer was


yes, absolutely. You are now the president - do you want


waterboarding? I don't want anyone to have their head chopped off in


the Middle East because they are Christian or Muslim or anything


else. Now they chop them off, put them on camera and send them all


over the world. We have that and we are not allowed to do anything. We


are not playing on an even field. I will say this: I will rely on Mike


Pompeo, general matters and my group. If they want to do it, I will


work toward that end. I will do what you are allowed to do within the


bounds of legality. Do I feel it works? Absolutely, I feel it works.


I have to bring you this breaking news. The Brexit secretary, David


Davis, has told the Commons in reply to a question about Donald Trump's


remarks on waterboarding colon the British Government's stance is


playing. We don't condone it under any circumstances whatsoever. It


will be interesting to see if Theresa May brings it up with Donald


Trump when she meets him. Nigel Inkster is a former


Director for Operations and Intelligence at MI6,


and is now Director of Transnational Threats and Political Risk


at the International Institute for Strategic Studies


intelligence think-tank. And joining me from Londonderry


is Moazzam Begg, a British citizen who was subject to torture and sent


to Guantanamo Bay prison. Moazzam Begg, can you tell our


audience what waterboarding involves, please? Yes, of course.


Waterboarding is a technique first used in a Spanish prison. It means


water torture, and it means a person is tied down, their hands, legs,


head and arms, and water is poured into their mouths and their noses,


and they get the sensation of feeling like they are drowning, even


though when you go swimming, you can get water in your nose, imagine that


for a sustained time. That is what waterboarding is. Japanese soldiers


who did this during World War II to American soldiers were prosecuted


for war crimes and were executed. So it is shocking that when the Bush


administration came along and called it enhanced interrogation


techniques, after his advisers said that if there was no organ failure


it is not torture. President Obama said that the result of that torture


had unintended consequences, such as invading Iraq. Can I ask, what type


of torture have you been subjected to? IMing dairy and I have been


talking to men here -- I am in Londonderry. I was put in stress


positions, beating and torture, and psychological torture. The result of


that was what? Did you then tell your interrogators some information


that until then you had kept from them? Did you tell them what they


thought they wanted to hear? What was the result of the torture? The


result was that I sign a confession. The BBC made a film recently about


that confession. It said I was a member of Al-Qaeda. There were


threats to my family. The physical torture I enjoyed and underwent, and


the threat of being sent to summary trial and being executed. Let me


bring in Nigel, a former employee of MI6. The belief torture works? In


one sense, you can say that maybe it does. Let's take an example... Is


the information you get from torture reliable? That varies. Let's take


the case of Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s. How did the


Argentine military crack their opposition? They torture them and


once they got all the information they could, they threw them at the


back of a Hercules over the South Atlantic. They did defeat the


opposition, but at an awful cost in terms of the society, which still


bears the scars. To say that torture works is a bit like saying that


slavery works as a model of economic production. It is not the


conversation we ought to be having. What do you think Donald Trump


suggesting that waterboarding, the ban on waterboarding, may be


reversed? He has cunningly qualified it by saying he would support the


Director of the CIA and the Defence Secretary if they asked for it. I


know James Matias by reputation. He is a thoughtful, educated man who


took 6000 books with him to Iraq to read. I don't know Mike Pompeo but


he comes across as intelligent and accomplished. I would be surprised


if in the CIA the first thing they say to the incoming directories, we


need get back to waterboarding. The way to deal with this problem of


Isis and Al-Qaeda is not by using this sort of technique. In the case


of Cally Sheikh Mohammed... The mastermind of the 911. This is a man


who had information that was not available. What you really need is


good, comprehensive intelligence, good forensics, forensics that


enable you to identify and prosecute the perpetrators of specific


terrorist attacks, and intelligence that is pre-empted. We are not so


interested in what people were doing last week. The intelligence services


need to know what they will be doing next week, and the best way to do


that is to get agents on the inside and get across communication leaks.


Moazzam Begg, if the ban is reversed in terms of torture methods in the


United States, could that backfire in terms of propaganda material for


members of Isis? You like two things quickly. First, yes, because you saw


that Isis dresses victims in orange suits, and there were allegations


that Isis members had waterboarded some of their captives. Second,


let's look at the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was based on the torture


of a man who was a CIA DK knee held in Egypt, when he give a false


confession that Al-Qaeda was working with Saddam Hussein on weapons of


mass destruction. Colin Powell took that information to the UN Security


Council to argue for war in Iraq, and the rest is history. As a result


of that, we got Isis incrementally. Thank you for your time, Moazzam


Begg, and Nigel Inkster. Deaths and incidences


of self-harm and assault We'll be talking to a former


prisoner who was suicidal when incarcerated,


and the ex-offender We hear from the man known


as "the Spielberg of video games", and get his vision


of the future of gaming. With the news, here's Annita


in the BBC Newsroom. New figures show that a record


number of inmates killed themselves in prisons in England


and Wales last year. The Ministry of Justice says


there were 119 suicides - the highest number since records


began in 1978. The number of self-harm


incidents jumped by 23%, and assaults rose by 31%


on the previous year. I'm very clear that the levels of


violence in our prisons are too high. The levels of self harm are


too high. Since I became Justice Secretary, I focused on dealing with


this problem. That's why we're investing in extra ?100 million,


2500 extra prison officers across the estate.


Raffaele Sollecito, who was acquitted of Meredith Kercher's


murder alongside Amanda Knox, has told this programme he still has


a debt of more than 400,000 euros following the case.


He said the maximum he can claim from the Italian government


This is calculated by the number of days you spend in prison. But this


ordeal didn't last only for four years, it lasted ten years. I was


inside this nightmare the ten years. GDP figures, which measure national


output, show the UK economy grew by 0.6% during the fourth quarter


of last year. The figure is unchanged


from the previous three months. Some economists had forecast


a slow-down after the Brexit referendum, but strong consumer


spending in the run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel


and restaurant industries The US President Donald Trump says


he believes that torture can work to get information out


of suspected terrorists. Speaking to the American ABC


network, he said he would seek further advice before deciding


whether to bring back techniques But I have spoken as recently as 24


hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked


them the question, does it work? Does torture work? And the answer


was, yes, absolutely. The NSPCC has told this programme it


wants it to be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex


with 16 and 17-year-olds In an exclusive interview,


the charity pointed out it was already illegal for teachers


and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds


in their care. It's also calling for


the rules around background checks to be tightened -


with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches


working with children. That's a summary of the latest news,


join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11am. Here is he with the latest


sport. Good morning. It has been a big day for the Williams family.


Venus and Serena both made the final at the Australian open. Venus took


three sets to beat the fellow American and rich her first grand


slam since 2009, when she beat her younger sister Serena. She reaches


her 34th major final inside one hour. Meanwhile, Roger Federer leads


by 2-1 against Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. Wawrinka took the third


set 6-1, things may be about to turn around. A break each so far in the


fourth. Southampton boss has stretched the importance of playing


in Europe. And Britain's Millie Knight, who won Bown Hill Gold in


the world pal back Alpine ski championships -- the world Para


Alpine ski championships will not compete today after injuring her


leg. That's all the sport for now, I will be back after 11am.


The Brexit Secretary David Davies is publishing a Bill today which will


allow the Government to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to


begin the formal process of leaving the EU. Norman Smith is at


Westminster. We are beginning to get a clearer idea of what Brexit will


look like. It will get published shortly. This bill will kick-start


the whole process. Later this morning, the Government will tell us


how quickly they want it through the Commons. And in the next few days we


expect to get this white paper setting out Mrs May's approach to


negotiations. A good time to step back and see Mrs May is doing in


delivering Brexit. Well, this week she may have been a bit down in the


dumps. Because of firstly the judges, the Supreme Court ruling


saying that MPs had to have a vote before we can begin the process to


leave the EU, not what Mrs May wanted. And then we have the Brexit


plan. She was forced to climb down over her opposition to a white


paper, the paper setting out the Goverment's formal approach to the


negotiations. Lastly, Tory rebels. The signs are there maybe 12, maybe


up to 20 Tory MPs who are quite happy to cause her problems over


Brexit, when she has only got a majority of around 16. On the other


hand, she might be feeling quite glad that things are really going


rather well. Why? Well, first off, Labour is split. Labour or at sixes


and sevens over Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't managed to forge a


united position for his party, and his MPs haven't really been able to


say whether they are going to oppose Article 50 or support it, what their


stance is on immigration. That is a pretty big plus for Mrs May. Then


there are fears about peers. The House of Lords could cause all sort


of trouble. But you sense that members of the House of Lords or a


bit frightened. They don't want to do that because it would be


unelected peers in effect spinning in the face of the referendum, and


what people had voted for. Lastly, there's people power. Mrs May can


keep coming back and saying, well, this is what the electorate voted


for in the referendum. I have a mandate for delivering Brexit. One


final thought, Victoria. We focus a lot on what happens in this place,


but at the end of the day, whether Brexit is a success or not may


depend just as much on what happens on the other side of the channel,


what sort of deal the other 27 EU countries are prepared to cut us.


Thank you very much, Norman. The Ministry of Justice has


released its quarterly figures on prison statistics


in England in Wales. They show that 119 prisoners


took their own life last There were also record numbers of


self harm incidents. What are some of the initiatives that put


well-being over punishment? Alongside punishment, anyway. One of


the most successful schemes is the Samaritans' listeners service, where


prisoners are trained to provide emotional support by becoming


listeners. Many prisoners say the power of peer led initiatives is


that it gives the mutual respect and a purpose to talk things through


with somebody who has been through it themselves. Let's talk to Michael


Owen, he is in Belfast. He went to jail in 2007 for a drug trafficking


offence. He says he felt like killing himself on a number of


occasions until he was able to confidentially talk to a fellow


inmate through one of these peer schemes. And we have got that man


here, Mick Hall, who Michael says saved his life. Mikel to Michael and


many others. For years on, they still write to each other and plan


to meet up for a pint. Welcome, both of you. Also with us is Frances


Crook, Chief Executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform. That beget


your reaction, Francis, to the figures released this morning? It's


a national scandal, and we should all be shocked. The suicide rate in


prisons is ten times that in the community. Prisoners so why prisons


or actually killing people. That shouldn't happen in our prisons.


People should at least be safe. Too many men, women and teenagers take


their own lives in prisons. That somebody every three days taking


their own life, mostly by hanging, not always. So something has to be


done to save lives. Of course, the other side to it is that people die


from so-called natural causes, where perhaps they might have survived if


they had been in the community. That is somebody dying from so-called


natural causes every single in prison. Michael, when you went to


jail in 2007, it was the first time this has happened to you. Tell us


what led to you feeling suicidal? Well, first of all it was the actual


thing, you lose hope, you have this feeling of hopelessness comes across


you. And then you have so many different factors to deal with in


prison, the pressures are really, really, really high. I mean, as


Irving James once said, people will never understand the strength and


courage it takes to get through imprisonment. It could be anything


that triggers this. At that time, whenever I met Nick, I had just been


sentenced. My father wasn't very well. And I was in a certain bit of


trouble with some of the officers on the wing. And I just had this


overwhelming feeling of hopelessness. And there was no way


out. And I was standing, leaning on the landing one date with sort of my


head in my hands, and mix just came over and said, are you a cake, big


lad? And I said, I'm not, actually. We went to had a cup of tea and we


took it from that. Mix, from your point of view? Yes, when people


first come to prison, it's not how you see on the telly. On the news


programmes, and in dramas. And the way of dealing with things in


everyday life is totally different. And you're not really taught this.


They have, they have induction processes that you go through. But


even that isn't real life situations. And, you know, the


prison officers haven't got time to cope with what's happening to each


individual prisoner outside of life. How did you help Michael? Well,


talking, basically. Helping the sort of come EU no, he didn't have any


specific problems, I think he had just more or less started to be a


friend. I've probably got a weird sense of humour, so I might have


cracked a few jokes to break the ice. He is smiling at you saying


that! We just went on to become friends. There were things may be


that he didn't understand about how to organise things, and papped I was


able to help him with that. -- perhaps I was able to help. Michael,


he says perhaps he was able to help, how would you describe it was Greg


-- how would you describe it? Present-day structures you, and you


lose your identity as a person, your identity as a man -- prison the


structures you. I didn't know how to deal with myself, and Mikel to me do


that. We started doing a writing course and working on the prison


radio together. I was lucky enough whenever I ended up back in Northern


Ireland I became a listener myself, I was able to pass on the knowledge


on the experiences that Mike had taught me. Because I've lived


through it and I'd walked the walk of these experiences, I was able to


help other people. And it was so rewarding and it gave me a sense of


purpose. I'd just like to take this opportunity in public just to say


thanks, mate, you know, you turned my life around, you know. Cheers,


mate. There's not a lot we can say about that, is the? It's real, and


special, you know. This is the first time we've sort of really spoken


about it. Our only conversations and our friendship doesn't really come,


from my point of view, from saving lives or anything, you know, so,


thanks very much for that. It's all right. Of course, there will be some


people who say, if you don't want to go through the prison system then


don't do that crime in the first play. -- in the first place. Why


should people have sympathy for inmates who are having a bad time?


We could really get into a whole different field here. The old adage


of any person in prison is innocent, there is an awful lot of people in


prison that shouldn't be there, which is a different conversation


maybe for a different day. What do you say to that, Francis? We don't


send people to die, and yet that is exactly what is happening. And there


are many, many people, many thousands of people who shouldn't be


imprisoned. Many people who are sent there on remand by the courts who


are found not guilty war who are not given a prison sentence. We've also


had sentence inflation. 20 years ago we'd send somebody to prison for


eight years, now we'd send them there for 15 or 20, and there is no


evidence that that makes anybody safer. It takes away hope, it means


that prisons are in a terrible overcrowded state, the rotten of


staff. They are rat infested, people aren't getting enough food --


they're not enough staff. We inspect a miracle to happen, but they fester


more crime than they solve. We are creating huge problems for ourselves


and people are dying as a result. Mix, tell us about person that you


helped to save, effectively, by helping them fill out a form?


This was a guy about my age. I was asked to speak to him one night


because he wouldn't interact with anybody, not even the staff. He


wouldn't come out for meals and things like that. They asked if I


would speak to him to see if I could find out what the problem was. At


first, he was very aggressive, in that he didn't want to speak to me


or to be -- for me to be there. The prison was in lockdown. I said, I


won't be able to go anywhere for a couple of hours, so I will just sit.


After a while, we started talking. He wasn't getting any visit from his


family, because the system says you have to fill in a form and ask


permission for a visiting order, basically an application for the


family to come and visit, but the family can't say, for instance,


wildlife can say to me, I want to come and visit you. I have to send


her a request and she filled it in. Because he couldn't read or write,


he couldn't do that, so his family couldn't come to see him, he


couldn't explain why. You were in a certain amount of money each week,


you are given an allowance, and you have to put this on to a canteen


list, and you can put so much money on the phone so you use the paper.


He didn't know how to fill the forms in, so he couldn't even phone his


family and explain his situation. He couldn't bring himself to tell


anybody, so... He was embarrassed, as Shane? Yes. And he didn't want


people to see this weakness in him. He eventually went on to read and


write. What made me feel good was when I stood up a few months later,


I was teaching the sky to read and write, and I heard him do a reading


in church. Gosh, you will make me cry. Blimey! What is your message to


Liz Truss? I had a good meeting with the Justice secretary yesterday, and


I think she has plans in place to deal with some of the problems. She


is recruiting more staff... It will take time. It will. Prison officers


are not paid much and they are giving very little training, and it


is a profession. Immediately, we have to get prison numbers down


because there are not the staff to deal with them, and you can't ask


other prisoners to do this. It is not their job. It is great that


there are listeners supported by the Samaritans, but it ought to be


staffed. The only solution is to get the numbers down. The Howwood league


has suggested simple ways we can get those numbers down and change


prisons so that they can serve a real purpose. Then when you have


prisoners properly trained to help other prisoners, they will have the


time and support to do it. Prisons can work, but they are really not at


the moment. I have this breakdown of the numbers and which prisons have


the highest number of self-inflicted deaths. Woodhill jail near Milton


Keynes, with seven people. And it is 18 in the last four years. And seven


in one year. And it is relatively new. The Government is building lots


of new prisons, but they don't themselves solve the problem. New


buildings aren't the answer. It is not the buildings that are the


problem, it's the overcrowding in the system. The system is in crisis


because it is crumbling. Thank you very much. Thank you for talking to


us, really appreciate it. Mike, it is so good to hear you and make


talking to each other. -- you and Mick.


Let's remind you of those figures that we broke earlier on Britain's


recent economic performance - the economy grew by 0.6%


in the final three months of last year and by 2% over 2016,


that's according to figures just released by the Office


Economists had forecast a slow-down after the Brexit referendum.


In the last few minutes, the Chancellor Philip Hammond


The figures today, which are very good, show the resilience of the UK


economy, and they pointed a bright future we have as we go into this


period of negotiation with the European Union based on the very


clear agenda that the Prime Minister set out last week.


Next we're talking about the man described by some as the Spielberg


Hideo Kojima is the brains behind the top-selling Metal Gear series


that inspired a style of game that many of today's bestselling


Radio 1 Newsbeat reporter Steffan Powell has been given rare


behind the scenes access to his new studio in Tokyo,


where Mr Kojima is planning on changing the industry once again.


Once again. He is not one to rest on his laurels, Hideo Kojima. People


may be don't know who he is, but 30 years ago, games were all about


fighting people, then he came along and made one about sneaking around


instead. Since then, through lots of innovation and lots of ideas since,


that basic principle has been replicated time and again ever


since. He has won pretty much every major lifetime achievement award in


gaming. When he speaks, the industry listens, so we were lucky to have a


tour and him talking us through some of the significant places in his


recent history. What did he say about his future, the future? Anyone


who plays games, their future. If you are sat at home watching Downton


Abbey, he wants to have this in place where you can stop watching


and start playing it and vice versa, if you could be playing a game...


Playing a Downton Abbey game? You like it is more than that, it is an


experience merged into one. Instead of me explaining it, here is what


the man himself said. TRANSLATION: Things such as games,


music, novels and movies, and all these things will kind


of mesh together into one As you can see, he is talking about


the idea where things are merging together. He is working on a big


secret game that we don't know much about. He is suggesting that this


sort of thing will already be coming when that one is released in the


next couple of years. Healy is explaining that.


TRANSLATION: We want this game to be something that people can


get into very easily, but after they play it


for about an hour or two, they start to notice something


It's something that they haven't played before.


The idea is that the industry change will happen soon. You could be sat


at home playing a move me -- a movie or watching a game.


Elle Osili-Wood is in Brisbane and Helen Gould is in London,


I'm Ellie Gould. Sorry! Where is Helen? In London! My fault. He is a


rock star in the gaming world, this guy, fill us in another five. I


interviewed him on stage at a big gaming event at Earls Court a few


years ago and it was like Madonna had arrived. He has people there and


the gamers get very excited. He really is a rock star of games.


Years arguably a genius. He created one of the most popular franchises


in gaming history, and one of the most innovative, Metal Gear Solid,


with an amazing plot, characters and ideas. He is responsible for


landmark innovations in video games. What do you want the future to hold


in terms of video gaming? We're looking for games to improve. There


are some fast big games at the moment that are really immersive,


which focus on storytelling through music and graphics, and I think that


is what will really stand out when we think of games as a medium, as an


artform. It will have to be a fantastic, immersive experience.


Helen, he talked about the limitations of virtual reality,


didn't he? Do you agree with what he had to say? At the moment, I would


say I have too, because at the minute, it is very difficult for


developers to make virtual reality games that have a continuous


narrative. A lot of the stuff that is out there is based on getting the


player used to this strange new reality they are in and working out,


my hand is here, this is what I have to do. I don't know if there has


been any long immersive things in the way that L was saying. I think


it would be interesting to see virtual reality go that way, but it


has a long way to go. Do you agree? Yes, for me, it is a bit like a


roller-coaster. It is amazing experience, a real novelty. It is


great for about four minutes. After that, at the moment, you want to get


off and you probably feel a bit sick. The challenge is to create


something that is actually a game and not a novelty, a world you want


to be in. You want to follow a story, a narrative arc. It is about


the sustainability of the narrative, for sure. He has come under fire for


his portrayal of women in games - do you sense he is trying to address


that? I hope so. Definitely, it's fair to say that Metal Gear has lots


of girls with big boots and so forth. All the big studios thought,


what we need for the teenage boys is half naked women. He is a huge


industry figure and there is huge excitement about his next project,


so I hope he uses his platform to have an in -- a more inclusive and


empowered version of women. People ask about gender issues in gaming -


is it still an issue? You like it is, like an awful lot of things. It


is changing, and changing because more women are making games, and


because more men making games are taking the issues more seriously,


and their responsibility more seriously, and hopefully we will see


a shift. When? Tomorrow at about 4:30pm! Thank you.


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