26/01/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

As Donald Trump says he believes that torture can work to get

information out of terrorism suspects, we'll be asking

what impact his words will have across the world.

We'll be speaking exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who,

together with Amanda Knox, was wrongly imprisoned

for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

And, the last survivor of the Dambusters raid

on Germany in 1943 has never received a knighthood.

TV presenter and RAF ambassador Carol Vorderman is leading

About British veteran Johnny Johnson.

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

All so later we are going to hear exclusive live from the NSPCC, who

are today calling the new child protection measures in sports clubs.

We will bring you all the details, including the extra background

checks you might have to go through if you work with children. Do get in

touch on that, it would be really interesting to hear your views, two

loopholes they are calling for the Government to close immediately. I

would be interesting to hear what it is like trying to get a background

check now if you work with children. Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. The US President Donald Trump has

said he believes that torture can work to get information out

of suspected terrorists. But he said he would seek further

advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques

such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC network

in his first televised interview since becoming President,

he also repeated his pledge to make Mexico pay for a wall along

its border with the United States. Here's our Washington

Correspondent, David Willis. Could America be set for a return

to the interrogation methods of old? A draft executive order

suggests its commander-in-chief could be preparing to return

to the dark days of waterboarding, by reopening the so-called black

site secret prisons operated In his first TV interview

since becoming President, Donald Trump made clear

he is considering scrapping an order by his predecessor that terrorist

suspects be treated in accordance "Torture works",

the President declared. When they're chopping off the heads

of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads

of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East,

when Isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard

of since mediaeval times, would I feel strongly

about water boarding? As far as I'm concerned,

we have to fight fire with fire. Reports suggest Mr Trump is also due

to announce plans to close America's borders to refugees,

for a period at least, and implement tougher visa

restrictions on citizens from certain predominantly Muslim

nations with links to terrorism, In an effort to quell the influx

of illegal immigrants from Mexico, Mr Trump has signed an executive

order to begin work on building A multimillion dollar venture

that he insists Mexico Ultimately it'll come out of what's

happening with Mexico and we're going to be

starting those negotiations soon, and we will be

in a form reimbursed by Mexico. That has ruffled the feathers

of America's southern neighbour. In an address to the nation,

Mexico's president said they have no The Mexican president is due

in Washington next week. He faces difficult discussions

with an American counterpart clearly determined to reverse

many of the changes brought With us now is our political

guru Norman Smith. Theresa May has a forthcoming

meeting with Donald Trump. What's Theresa May hoping

to get out of the meeting? Well, she wants to make sure that we

are in lockstep with Donald Trump, that we are like that with the new

US president. Because while all British prime ministers go over

there and talk about the special relationship, it seems to me Theresa

May is going on awful lot further. She talks about how, you know, we

have fought in wars together. But she says that Britain and America

made the more than world, and we can read it again. She seems almost to

be sort of harking back to an era when Britain and America were the

two superpowers who forged the way things were done in the world. She

says we can do that again, we have shaped institutions and values and

we can once again adopt that leadership role. The second very

striking thing is she seems to be pretty much budding Brexit on the

same page as Mr Trump's election victory, saying both heart of change

and renewal and a time when countries rediscover the sense of

self-confidence. You get the very clear impression that she wants to

put us as close as possible to Donald Trump. The reason for that,

the don't have to be Einstein, is because obviously we are leaving the

EU, and we need new relationships, and boy, oh boy, do we need that

strong alliance with America and that trade deal. And that means

being as close as possible to Donald Trump. Donald Trump as we heard has

been talking about torture. What sort of reaction has there been to

his comments? Very interesting, already there is quite a backlash

from MPs, including from, you know, some of her own MPs, who are very

unhappy about that. We had a senior Conservative MP saying, let me just

get his words, he said... He urged Mrs May to tell Donald Trump that in

no circumstances will she be allowing Britain to be dragged into

facilitating torture. We have it we could from Sarah Wollaston, another

leading Conservative MP. -- a tweet. She says, you cannot lead on a

global stage by advocating torture. And one MP who sits on the

intelligence and Security committee said, these are the people who

monitor our intelligence agencies, he respects me this morning to say,

this is going to cause real problems for the British intelligence

agencies because we are not going to be able to incorporate with the

Americans if they are using torture. -- he texted me this morning. The

guidance that is given to our intelligence officers, let me tell

you what it says. It says, personnel will be aware of concerns about

torture and cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment. There is an

absolute prohibition of torture in international law. The UK Government

policy on such conduct is clear that Mike we do not participate in or

condone the use of torture. In other words, British agents cannot take

advantage of American intelligence if it is being gleaned by torture,

and they cannot be in the same room if torture is being carried out.

That is going to presumably be something which Mrs May is going to

have to confront Donald Trump about. Thank you, Norman.

Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Good morning, Victoria. The Government will publish a bill to

enable it invoke Article 50 and trigger a process of leaving the

European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davies says the bill will be

straightforward, although opposition party was will seek to make

amendments. The Government was forced to draw up legislation after

losing an appeal at the Supreme Court.

The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches

to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

The charity says it's already illegal for teachers and social

workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks,

with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches

A major report into the health of children in the UK has found

an "alarming gap" exists between the rich and poor -

with one in five young people suffering as a result of poverty.

The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health also suggests

the UK is lagging behind most western European countries when it

comes to measures such as infant mortality rates and obesity.

Our Health Correspondent, Dominic Hughes, reports.

Anxiety, depression and a need to be listened to.

These are the themes of a short play on mental health, devised by school

The issues they touch on reflect those in today's report

on the health of children and young people.

It paints a picture of the UK struggling to match other countries

The evidence has been developing for some time that all is not well

It's the first time we have really put together a proper picture

across all four countries, and the news is not good.

Some of the issues that raise concerns over the state of child

health include just 34% of babies breast fed to six months,

40% of children in England's most deprived areas are overweight

or obese, and half of adult mental health problems start

And for the drama group in Liverpool, mental health issues

Mental illnesses are an illness of the brain, and they're as valid

as any other illnesses to any other part of the body.

Just because you can't see it physically, it doesn't

Our production will mainly be to get rid of that stigma

about mental health, and just educate the audience a bit

The four governments of the UK are all challenged to consider

the impact their policies will have on children.

They've responded by restating commitments

GDP figures for the UK economy are to be released

The figures will cover the fourth quarter of 2016.

For more on this, our Business Presenter Ben Thompson

joins us from the Institute of Engineering and Technology -

in sight of both Parliament and the City.

Obviously lots of people watching these figures very closely, not

least the Prime Minister, as she heads off to meet Donald Trump. What

are we expecting from them? Yes, you're absolutely right, those

figures are watched very closely indeed by both parties, by the

politicians, and also by the City of London. Because it will give us an

indication of just how quickly the UK economy is growing, and it is

looking back, look back at the last quarter of last year. Of course, the

things the economy is contending with our issues that are facing us

in the year ahead, too. That is the uncertainty surrounding the Brexit

folk. There is the rise in prices as much inflation is picking up again,

it means we may be paying more in the shops and supermarkets. But

things like petrol when we go out shopping. Those prices are going up.

At the same time there has been a fall in the value of the pound,

which means that things we have bought from overseas will also be

more expensive. That includes products made elsewhere, and also

raw materials and food that is imported from elsewhere. So, given

that we are expecting the economy to have grown by about half of 1%,

slightly down on the three months before that. Many people saying that

is a good performance given all of that uncertainty. The big question

as we know is what happens in the year ahead? Business is craving some

sort of certainty. It's trying to find out what the Government will do

as far as Brexit is concerned, when it will trigger that Article 50 to

begin those so-called false proceedings. That is weighing very

heavily on their mind when it comes to making decisions -- divorce

proceedings. When it comes to expanding the business or taking on

new staff. There is uncertainty surrounding the presidency of Donald

Trump. Those figures are due out at 9:30am.

The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit

for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up

The bank, which is more than 70% owned by the taxpayer,

could be fined an additional ?3 billion by the US

Almost half of all hospitals in England are failing to meet basic

Government standards for hospital food, according to data released

The Campaign for Better Hospital Food warns

The Government says standards are improving.

Ant and Dec won the prize for Best TV Presenter for the 16th year

running at last night's National Television Awards.

The BBC presenter Graham Norton was recognised for his services to

broadcasting. Len Goodman lost out on the public's choice of best

judge. Other winners included

Mary Berry for Best Judge. The BBC's Strictly Come Dancing

picked up the gong Emmerdale was voted Best Soap,

and ITV's This Morning won Please welcome your

host for the night! The National Television Awards bring

out the great and the good A new category was

introduced this year for Period Drama, won

by Call the Midwife. It was up against the likes of Peaky

Blinders and Poldark. Best Comedy went

to Mrs Brown's Boys, that got the award

for Best Talent Show. Best TV Judge went to a very

surprised Mary Berry, in her final The first and foremost

thing is to be fair, Despite our television

viewing habits changing, the average household watches

about 3.5 hours a day. Nights like these are a chance

to celebrate the best of what's Ladies and gentlemen,

the nation's heartthrob, Chatshow host Graham Norton

collected the Lifetime Achievement And Ant and Dec won Best TV

Presenter for the 16th year We are very lucky to have the three

shows at the moment, and long We just want to keep

making good telly. But the surprise of the night

was Casualty's win for Best Drama. The Saturday night staple

which turned 30 last year. It be some high profile and high

budget smashes, including the night manager and Game of Thrones.

I loved that air punch from Mary Berry!

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Congratulations to all of the winners, particularly Ant and Dec.

With regards to Donald Trump's comments on torture, Robben Facebook

says, Theresa May is demonstrating incompetent and a total lack of

judgment by visiting the American president. Your views are welcome.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Time for sport with Hugh Woozencroft.

And Hugh, it's Throwback Thursday at the Australian Open

Good morning, Victoria. It's a vintage year in tennis. 2015 has

seen the rear burdens of that and Katya and Nadal, and now Venus and

Serena Williams will appear opposite each other -- the re-emergence.

Serena Williams won her match 6-2, 6-1. It took just 50 minutes.

Against the Arms seeded Croatian. It wasn't to be again the world number

two. -- the unseeded Croatian. She will be looking to win a record 23rd

grand slam singles title. In the way is her old sister Venus. She won

back her match in three sets -- her older sister. So, a great result for

her, a brilliant result for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and his

partner David whitener. They have won the final against the Paralympic

champions. We are guaranteed a British winner in the men's

wheelchair doubles in Melbourne. Alfie Hewett and Gordon Reid will

face off with their respective partners. Roger Federer playing at

the moment, just darted his semifinal against Stan Wawrinka,

five or in the first set of that one.

The league cup final, what is happening there? Liverpool were in

such good form, but they have reached their first EFL Cup final

since 1979, Southampton, after beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield

last night, and they were one goal up from the first leg as well. Shane

Long sealed their place. They will face the whole city by Manchester

United. -- Hull. What about the reaction to Usain Bolt having one of

his medals being taken away because of a team-mate? He will not be

smiling today. And he will have to get back one of his Olympic gold

medals after his team-mate Nesta Carter was disqualified over a

doping incident at Beijing. Jamaica have been stripped of the gold in

the four by 100 metres. He can no longer claim to hold the famous

triple triple. He says he will appeal to the Court of Arbitration

for Sport. And some very good news for British skiing fans, something

we don't say often. Milli night and her guide won downhill gold on the

opening day of the world Para Alpine Championships in Italy.

Her guide shouts instructions from in front of her. He helped her to

see the racing line as well. She has won 11 medals, seven of them gold,

in a great 12 months. We will have more headlines that have passed.

CNN. It's nearly ten years since British

student Meredith Kercher was killed while studying in Italy,

in what became - and has remained - one of the most notorious

murder cases in the world. This morning, we can speak

exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who together with Meredith's

roommate Amanda Knox, was wrongly convicted

and imprisoned for the crime. He says the ordeal

has scarred his life. And with legal bills

that topped ?1 million, he's now pushing for compensation

from the Italian government. TRANSLATION: Both the defendants

for A, B, C and D are acquitted because they have not

committed the crime. I think we are still

on the journey to the truth. It may be the fact that we don't

ever really know what I'm a normal guy who passed

through a nightmare. Now I'm different, because of

the nightmare I passed through. Good morning to you. Good morning.

Tell us how your life has been changed by what you experienced. I

am a kind of normal person. It is a weird kind of celebrity which older

people look at, especially in Italy, but it is not a good thing, because

of course, I bore a burden of an image that is not who I really am.

That image is what, do you think? It depends who is looking at me. In

Italy, they are split between people who think that I am innocent and

people who think that I am guilty. It depends on what they have as a

background in their mind and they think about me something different

on one side or another. Those people who think you are guilty, do you

believe you will ever be able to change their minds, or have you

accepted that? Each time I spoke with them, each time any person

meets me and talks to me, they realise that what the media said

Mears totally -- said about me is totally different from what I am, so

they changed their mind each time, but as you may understand, it is not

possible to reach all the people involved in this case. With the

news, you can reach 5 million people. I can know a few hundred of

them. Can you give our audience an insight into what it is like to be

wrongly jailed for a crime that you had nothing to do with? It's really

a nightmare, and it affects all of your life. It changes it. You have

to face, you have to struggle for anything that you do. You have

attention for everything that you do. Even a tiny false step, it's

made like a huge thing. Like what? What false step of you made that has

been blown up? At the beginning, you can imagine that I was bringing a

pocket knife in my jeans since I was 13 years old. The police department

thought that it was the murder knife, even if it was just a

collection article. Even this, or the fact that I didn't ask for a

lawyer during the interrogations, or even my misinterpretation of the

seriousness of the case. Anything, really. Later, each thing I said,

each thing I looked at the case with Amanda, whatever I did was taken as

a fault, a big fall. Anything that I look at was a clue of my guilt, so

it is really tragic. And do you feel under scrutiny now, as you try to

rebuild your life, still? Yes, because I run my home business. I

have an application to commemorate people who have been lost, for

relatives who have passed away, and I got a lot of criticism on that.

Also, anything like whatever I decided to do, comments on other

cases on television, they ask me to be someone with an opinion because

of what I passed through. I got a lot of criticism as well, so it is

kind of anything I do has to be commented by anyone in a good way or

in a bad way. It depends on what they really think about me. Have you

accepted that you will probably for ever be associated with the death of

Meredith Kercher? I hope it will not be in this way for the rest of my

life. Of course, it's a big part, it's a parenthesis inside it's a

really important case, and in the history of judgments, it will be an

imprint for ever, but I don't think that my life is bounded by this,

because it is over. There has to be an end of it. Of course, in the

trials, this is the end. But in the people's mind, it has to be

digestive. How have you tried to rebuild your life? Yeah, I'm trying

still. I'm struggling. The greatest obstacle, I find, along my path is

prejudice by people whom I don't know. This is something that I think

will, step-by-step, clear up. It takes time and force and you have to

have the will to do that. I cannot hide and close inside myself,

because it can be worse. I was going to ask, have you ever considered

moving from Italy? Lily, that is where your family, but has that been

a consideration? Not so, because I have all my family, and I run a

business there. I have not considered. They did something

really terrible to me... They? The prosecution. There was nothing wrong

I did, so there is no real reason to leave my country because of

something that I didn't do. You believe that you and Amanda Knox are

victims - what do you mean by that? I mean that we were appointed by the

prosecution since the beginning without any real clue. They needed

to close the case as soon as possible because there was the

greatest attention ever from all over the world on a murder case, so

they needed the guilty people soon. I remember the police department of

Perugia is making a press conference, an international press

conference, saying that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty,

and Meredith Kercher was murdered inside and orgies gone wrong. -- an

or G -- orgy gone wrong. They did not want to go back and look at

clues and real facts at the murder scene to follow the right theory.

And that is what you mean by saying you are rape victim. How do you

think of Meredith Kercher's family? I think about them, and I am really

sad that they still stick about the prosecution theory, because it is

completely wrong. They missed the case. They say they still have

questions and that they may never know the truth. That is what the

prosecution says today. It is exactly the same thing. I am sad

they repeat what the prosecution says, because the real facts about

this murder, I have seen the documents also you can read them and

see that the reality of this case is completely different from what the

prosecution wanted to make people believe.

What is the nature of your friendship or otherwise with Amanda

Knox now? We are friends. And, yeah, very fast friends. Sometimes we

talk, but not so often. Right. Do you ever talk about the past? No.

There is no reason to do that. Actually we did it for five days. It

is completely meaningless to talk about it. But you had a shared

experience, four years in jail, both of you, for something which you...

This is something that you can use for other people who have been

wrongly jailed. So I'm trying to reach associations to help wrongly

imprisoned prisoners. Prisoners, all of them, and also much more people

who have been jailed for a mistake. And I think that doing our

imprisonment, we formed even a path, but not the same, because she was

inside the female prison, I was inside the men's prison. So we

completely lived in two different world's, even though these world's

were parallel. On Friday, you will find out if you are to receive

compensation from the Italian authorities for the wrongful

imprisonment you experienced. What is the maximum that you could spec

to receive? -- that you could expect. The maximum is 516,000

jurors. That is what you have asked for? Yeah. -- your rose. Of course,

we have all the rights to claim it. But that is not even enough to

compensate what my family and me paid around these years. Because the

past ten years of this ordeal, of this nightmare, in this ten years we

sold even our apartments. We have still that's on it. What do your

debts had up to, do you know? How much debt are you and your family

in? We have still around 400,000 euros of debt. So this can just

clear up our debts. And a little more. But, you know, in the end,

we... This is a calculation, because this is the maximum you can ask for

your wrongful imprisonment. It doesn't have nothing to do with the

ordeal itself. With the ordeal? With the ordeal itself, because of

course, this is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this

ordeal didn't last only for years, it lasted for ten years. I was

inside this nightmare for ten years. After the decision, we have to think

and manage how to make the government no that this is not just

my imprisonment, this has affected all of my life, and affected even a

big part of my life ten years. Is it difficult to meet new people? Or

not? Yes, it's not that difficult, it's always... A kind of, they have

prejudiced. They always change their mind and view me as a normal guy.

But on the other side, before I come by and I speak to anybody, they feel

something that is, I don't know, and or around me, which is heavy, which

is something that they have to cope to, and they feel it. A couple of

messages from people watching you speak this morning. Sarah says, so

many lives have been ruined by this case. Roger says, the only victims,

he disagrees with you, he says the only victims in this dreadful crime

are Meredith Kercher and her family. There are many victims in this case.

Amanda's parents, my parents, all our families, Patrice mamba's

families, there are a lot of victims, actually. Meredith Kercher

is the first victim. But there are many others made by the prosecution

mistakes. What does your future hold? I don't know. What do you hope

for? I hope to make my company began bigger. -- bigger and bigger. And to

help people who have been wrongfully imprisoned. Those are the two goals.

I'm following. Thank you very much for talking to us today. Thanks for

your time. Thank you. We appreciate it. A couple of bits of breaking

news to bring you. This is on the state of our prisons in England and

Wales. New figures show that a record number of people killed

themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. The Ministry of

Justice says there were 119 deaths, the highest number sets records were

first compiled in 1978. The overall number of deaths in jails was also

at a record 354. We will bring you more on that story and reaction in

the programme this morning. And the latest figures which give us an idea

about the state of the UK economy is just out. The UK economy grew by

0.6% during the the fourth quarter, the last few months of 2016. That

from the office of National sadistic. The British economy grew

by just over 0.5% during the last few months of 2016.

And we'll be live at the Science Museum in London

as Tim Peak unveils the spacecraft he used on his recent mission

Dambuster hero George Johnny Johnson is the last surviving Brit

of the bouncing bomb raids on Hitlers dams.

We speak to Carol Vorderman about why she's spearheading

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Good morning. Let's begin with President Trump.

The US President Donald Trump has said he believes that torture can

work to get information out of suspected terrorists.

But he said he would seek further advice before deciding

whether to bring back techniques such as water-boarding.

Speaking to the American ABC network, in his first televised

interview since becoming President, he also repeated his pledge to make

Mexico pay for a wall along its border with the United States.

It comes as Theresa May travels to the US to become the first world

The Government will publish a Bill today to enable it to invoke Article

50 and trigger the process of the UK leaving the European Union.

The Brexit Secretary David Davis says the Bill will be

straightforward, although opposition parties will seek

The Government was forced to draw up the legislation after losing

The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches

to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

The charity points out that it's already illegal for teachers

and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks,

with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches

The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit

for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up

to the financial crisis of 2008. The bank, which is more than 70%

owned by the taxpayer, could be fined an additional

?3 billion by the US Department of Justice.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Hello again. It has been a big day for the Williams family. Venus and

Serena making the final at the Australian open. Venus took three

sets to beat a fellow American and reach her first grand slam final

since Wimbledon in 2009, when she played her younger sister Serena.

Serena dominated her opponent to reach a 34th major final, it took

her less than an hour. Roger Federer won the first set of his semifinal

against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. He broke him in the last

game of the set. So far it has gone with serve 2-2 in the second. Shane

Long's goal booked them a spot in the EFL Cup final with eight 2-0 win

over Liverpool. Britain's Milind night won downhill gold on the

opening day of the world Paris skiing championships in Italy. She

beat the five-time Paralympic champion of Slovakia. That's all the

sport for now, we will be back with more just after 10am. Let's go live

to the Commons now. The Brexit Secretary David Davies is outlining

the Goverment's white paper, the formal policy document, to his

colleagues. Taking into account the framework between the future

relationship of the EU and the UK. It is therefore impossible to start

negotiations unless one has an outline agreement on what that

framework should be. Obviously, MPs are able to respond to what David

Davies is saying. This is Peter Lilley, Conservative MP. Will we

press our partners to clarify that right at the beginning of the

negotiations? Well, we already have done. I am in my one meeting with,

when he was talking about the sequential approach, which seems to

me not practical, for me it really isn't possible to come to an outcome

on either the negotiations without a clear idea of the trade aspect of

the negotiations. His description is pretty accurate, and I've said in

terms that we intend all of this to be concluded within the two years.

Big off says it wants nothing further to do with the European

Court of Justice. So the Government says. In any new free trade

agreement with this 27 member states, there will have to be a

legal arbitration mechanism whose rulings will be obliged to

implement. If the European Court of Justice is not acceptable, what

court would be? Well, it would not this is the only by a court. He is

quite right, most international... LAUGHTER

Listen to the answer! Most international trade agreements have

an arbitration, normally preceded by mediation, which is used more often.

In the case of the Canada arbitration, for example, you have

got one person from each side and one neutral who are appointed by

agreement, if agreement cannot be reached, it is a fallback and a

simple arbitration mechanism. There is all of the difference in the

world between a simple trade arbitration mechanism and a court

that reaches into every nut and cranny of your society stop by David

Davies, Brexit Secretary, answering a question from Hilary Benn. What is

David Davis doing this morning, Norman? That was a little bit of

shadow boxing. What they are all waiting for is this Bill to trigger

our withdrawal from the EU, what is called the European Union

notification of withdrawal bill. That's the legislation which will

begin the process of us leaving the EU and being out within the next two

years. MPs are kind of waiting until they see that. The expectation is

that it will be a short bill, stripped down, pared back, the

Government alt-right FastTrack through the Commons. Later this

morning we will get an idea from the Government in which the pace it

wants to move. The signs are they want that bill through the House of

Commons within a fortnight. And then it goes to that place, the House of

Lords, where there may be more trouble ahead. The Government has no

control in the House of Lords, they do not have a majority, and appears

pretty much do what they want, but most of them are opposed to Brexit.

There is a potential for them to cause all sorts of difficulties. The

indications are the Government have left a big fat whopping six weeks to

get the Bill through the House of Lords in order to meet Mrs May's

deadline of the end of March for beginning, beginning with all from

the EU. Thank you very much, Norman. Coming up...

We hear from the man known as "the Spielberg of video games",

and get his vision of Let's go to the Science Museum

in London now, where everyone's favourite astronaut -

Tim Peake - is meeting fans Let's join our correspondent

Rebecca Morelle. I am here at the science Museum, and

here is the Soyuz capsule that took Tim Peake into space. It then safely

brought him back down again. You can see from looking at it, the size of

it, it is pretty small. The crew of three would have been really snug in

there. Tim Peake spoke about his experience inside the Soyuz capsule

a little while ago at a press conference. The first time I got to

say it was -- see it was at the top of the elevator. It had 300 tonnes

of rocket fuel waiting to go into orbit. That evening, there were

three very excited astronauts in the capsule, but I think there were

about 3000 very excited students right here at the London science

Museum to witness that launch. I have subsequently been able to watch

the launch party from space, and it was one of the few occasions where I

wished I was on the ground because it seemed there was a good party

going on back here. After that, I saw this spacecraft every day,

because our docking port was right next to the cup of the window. I

always took a moment to look at it, not just out of fondness for the

Accra, but this thing is our lifeboat for six months, our only

way of getting back to Earth safely. And the Soyuz is sat there for six

months, exposed to the vacuum of space, B radiation, small meteorite,

and so it is prudent to visually inspect it each day to make sure

everything is OK. One of the most demanding phases for a spacecraft,

it is of course, is to return the crew safely through the Earth's

atmosphere. Although this module has been refurbished, I was delighted to

see that it still bears the scorch marks of the 1600 Celsius punishment

the spacecraft takes as it re-entered the Earth's atmosphere.

And you can see the scorch marks on there. This thing went through a

really turbulent ride as it re-entered. There is a select band

of people who have been into space and have travelled in one of the

Soyuz capsules before. I am joined by one, Helen Sharman. You went up

in 1991. This must bring back some real memories. It is fabulous to see

a spacecraft that has really been to space. Rarely do space astronauts

get to see their own. It is often just before launch date, and then

once you are in space, of course. You can see on the outside that it

has really been through all that turmoil and turbulence as it comes

back through the atmosphere. Very special. We have your spacesuit on

display, and now they have purchased the capsule for an undisclosed

amount - why is it important to get objects like this on display for the

public? Why do it? It is a piece of history, but it ties us very closely

to a person who sat inside it for the launch and the landing. If you

imagine what has happened inside that spacecraft, how Tim must've

been feeling, and looking at all the science, technology and engineering

that goes into creating not just the capsule but the whole aspect of

making space flight possible. It is hugely inspirational. Helen, thank

you very much. The public will be able to see this soon. It forms part

of the permanent collection here. The last time Tim saw this was back

in Kazakhstan. It must have been quite an emotional moment for him to

actually see it this morning, too. The public will get a chance to clap

eyes on it later on today. Thank you, Rebecca.

George Johnson - the last surviving member

of the famous Dambusters Raid - was only in his early 20s

when he and the rest of Bomber Command Squadron 617

embarked on the perilous mission to destroy dams in Germany in 1943.

His job was to aim the bouncing bombs, circling each dam

in his Lancaster 10 times until certain the

Every attempt to improve the aim increased the risk,

and many of his friends were killed that night.

Last year George - who everyone calls Johnny -

was passed over for a knighthood after being nominated

for his charity work and service to the country.

Today his friend Carol Vorderman is going to Parliament -

along with Gulf War veteran John Nicol - in a campaign to get

I'm ambassador for the Royal Air Force Air Cadets.

It was our 75th anniversary so we had this massive

Johnny came, and the Air Cadets absolutely adore him.

Everybody in the Air Force adores him.

Since then, because both Johnny and I live in Bristol,

we've met a few times and just had a nice time.

But I had no idea that he'd been nominated, let alone...

And he didn't appear on the New Year's Honours and that's when it

motivated you to really power behind this petition.

Together with The Sun newspaper and I.

And a lot of people don't know the story of the Dambusters.

I'm 56, so I was brought up in a generation where we were told

stories about World War II, because many of our fathers had

But what I found over the last three weeks,

So it's as relevant today, after last year and all

of the tumultuous things that are happening around the world,

it's becoming more relevant, how we fight for peace.

Tell our audience, for those who want to learn more,

Dambuster Squadron, as it's known, is the 617 Squadron.

And in May 1943 it was decided that we had to take the war to Hitler.

So they were in Lancaster bombers which flew very low and slow.

And this was a bouncing bomb, which was aimed -

and designed by Barnes Wallis - so that they could destroy

some of the dams, and therefore a lot of the industrial heartland

when the dams burst, which were generating

and making aircraft and tanks and machinery and so on,

which were obviously servicing Hitler and his armies and forces.

So the Dambusters raid, it was an outrageous thought,

Many aircraft took off, and sadly not so many came back,

and they managed to destroy three dams and damage another.

Three were captured as prisoners of war.

And of those 77, only 45 survived the war within Bomber Command.

Bomber Command was made up of a number of squadrons,

And Bomber Command was the military unit that suffered the most

Because of the bombings on certain cities towards the end of the war,

they were snubbed politically when the war was over.

And this was felt very deeply by the veterans and their families.

It was only in 2012, and I had quite a lot to do

with the fundraising for the Bomber Command memorial.

A memorial was erected to those people in Green Park.

So Johnny has said that if he were offered a knighthood,

he is a terrifically modest gentleman, that he would accept

with due humility on behalf of those in 617 Squadron and for the greater

What exactly are you doing today with this petition?

John Nicol, who is a Gulf War veteran, and I, are starting

at the Bomber Command memorial because it's significant that we do.

We have this petition, another 32,000 people signed overnight.

We will be handing over the petition, but also

a new official nomination for an honour at 10 Downing St.

We will be going from the Bomber Command memorial to 10

I don't think we will be allowed in, but we are handing it over.

And the petition remains open after that.

Thank you very much. All the best, thank you.

Next: Britain's economy grew by 0.6% in the final three months in 2016

according to figures from the office of National statistics. Some

economists forecast a slowdown after the June referendum. Let's speak to

Andy Verity. It is the same as most of the economic news since the

referendum, it is on the upsides. -- on the upside. Before the global

financial crisis nine years ago, we have had slower growth and it has

been more volatile, our pants down, and it was expected that the

referendum would cause an economic shock that would slow us down again,

but no sign of it so far. The Bank of England did various things to try

and ameliorate that. I am sure the Bank of England would like us to

think its actions had avoided any further slowdown, but I think it's

mostly down to the consumer, really. And the consumer being willing to

borrow probably unsustainable amounts to sustain spending. Most of

the growth in these numbers is from the services sector. Which means

what? It is having a haircut, getting on public transport,

watching TV, all of those things. It is not construction or production.

Think of North Sea oil etc, getting metal out of the ground. Those are

relatively small part of the economy. The economy is 80% services

anyway, so you want that sector to grow. The concern there has been for

years is that we have balanced growth which emphasises exports and

getting money into the country. Instead, we are growing on the same

basis we grew before the love of financial crisis, but we're

borrowing and spending. Thank you very much, Andy.

We'll have reaction to Donald Trump's comments on torture -

he says he believes it can work to get information out

We will also have reaction to the figures released in the last

half-hour showing that a record number of people killed themselves

in jail in England and Wales last year. The latest news and sport in a

moment, after the latest weather. We will start with our weather

watcher pictures, because it is quite grey out there. This was North

Yorkshire. There are a few breaks in the cloud in Cheshire. Some sunshine

poking through here. The cold feel is accentuated by the wind. It is a

cold, bitter wind coming in from the near continent. The cold across

Europe has been well documented recently, and it is heading our way.

Some places will struggle to get above freezing. The breeze has

helped to lift the fog out of the way, but we have a lot of low cloud.

Under the cloud, perhaps a spot or two of light rain, perhaps a flake

of snow. Most places will be dry but cold, most places hovering around

freezing. In the north, a few breaks in the cloud, as we have seen in

Cheshire, but the best breaks have been across central and northern

parts of Scotland. The eastern side sees more clout. -- more

cloud. For many of us, it will feel like a subzero day. It feels like

minus five Celsius, minus six Celsius across the North of England.

The end of the week is windy, from the South. In the West, changes are

taking place. A weather front moves in from the Atlantic, the breeze

picks up, and there will be thicker cloud, outbreaks of rain in Northern

Ireland, western extremities of England and Wales, and just getting

into Scotland as well. Pretty chilly in the north-east, only to Celsius

in Newcastle. -- two Celsius. Temperatures are up a bit. Eight

Celsius is fairly typical. Saturday night into Sunday, rain moves across

the southern half of the UK. There are questions about the details were

Sunday. This rain could go further north or south. Not set in stone,

but the temperatures relatively mild. Further north, sunshine and

six Celsius. Hello, it's 10am, I'm

Victoria Derbyshire. In an exclusive interview, Raffaele

Sollecito, who - together with Amanda Knox - was wrongly imprisoned

for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, tells this

programme he's been living in a nightmare for ten years. There are

many victims in this case. Amanda's parents, my parents, all of our

families. Patrick's family, Patrick himself, the lot of victims,

actually. Of course, Meredith Kercher is the first victim. But

there are many others made by prosecution mistakes. He has also

told us he is hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt after paying legal

bills. He will find out this week if he is to achieve compensation from

the Italian government. And you can watch the whole

of that exclusive interview Donald Trump says "torture

works" with terrorists, as Theresa May prepares to fly

to the US to meet him. When they are chopping off the heads

of people because they happen to be When Isis is doing things that

nobody has ever heard of since medieval times,

would I feel strongly As far as I'm concerned,

we have to fight fire with fire. We'll be speaking to Moazzam Begg,

a former Guantanamo detainee who says he experienced torture

at the hands of the Americans, and to a former Director

of Intelligence at M16 to ask him The NSPCC tells this programme that

if we are to tackle child sex abuse in sport it must be made illegal

for sports coaches to have sex with We will talk to them in the next

hour. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. Good morning. A record number of

inmates killed themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year, new

figures show. The Ministry of Justice said the -- the world 119

suicides. The number of self harm incidents jumped by 13% -- 23%. I am

very clear that the levels of violence in our prisons are too

high. The levels of self harm are too high. Since I became Justice

Secretary I have focused on dealing with this problem. That is why we

are investing an extra ?100 million, 2500 extra prison officers. The man

acquitted of the murder of Meredith Kercher alongside Amanda Knox has

told this programme that he still has more than 400,000 euros of debt

following the case. He said the maximum he can claim from the

Italian government following the acquittal doesn't cover the cost.

This is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this ordeal

didn't last only four years, it lasted for ten years. I was inside

this nightmare for ten years. GDP figures for the UK economy,

which measure national output, They cover the fourth

quarter of last year They're unchanged from 0.6% over

the previous three months. Economists had forecast a slow-down

after the Brexit referendum. but strong consumer spending in the

run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel and restaurant industry is

boosted the economy. The US President Donald Trump says

he believes that torture can work to get information out

of suspected terrorists. But he says he would seek further

advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques

such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC

network, Mr Trump also repeated his pledge to make Mexico

pay for a wall along its border It comes as Theresa May travels

to the US to become the first world The NSPCC is demanding that it be

made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds

in their care. The charity points out that it's

already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex

with 16 and 17-year-olds It also wants to tighten the rules

around background checks, with the most stringent checks

becoming compulsory for all coaches The Government will publish a Bill

today to enable it to invoke Article 50 and trigger the process of the UK

leaving the European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davis

says the Bill will be straightforward, although opposition

parties will seek The Government was forced to draw up

the legislation after losing That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Good morning. As we said earlier, it

really is throwback Thursday. Venus and Serena Williams will meet in the

final of the Australian open. 35-year-old Serena powering past her

opponent 6-2, 6-1 in just 15 minutes. For the unseeded Croatian,

it was the first Grand Slams Sehmi the 18 years, but it wasn't to be in

the world number two. She will now attempt to win a record 23rd Grand

Slam singles title. The woman standing in her way is her older

sister, Venus. The 13th seed won a match in 13 sets -- in three sets to

win her first major match since she beat Serena in 2009. Whenever I'm

playing on the court with her, I mean, I'm playing like the best

competitor in the game. I don't think I'm trying to change either,

you know. I can compete, you know, against any odds. I'm going to do

what I can to earn it. I'm not thinking about, oh, what can I do to

win, I'm thinking, oh, what can I do to earn it? That's what I can tell

you right now, I'm so excited. Roger Federer has established a two set

lead against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka in his semifinal. He

bids to win a fifth Australian open title. Wawrinka is one in the third

in that one. A great day for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and partner

David Wagner. They won the final against the Paralympic champions in

straight sets. That was in the men's quads. Southampton have reached the

first EFL Cup final since 1979 by beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield

last night. A goal up from the first leg, Southampton did spend much of

the match defending, before Shane Long booked his side's trip to

Wembley in added time. Amazingly, Southampton have reached the final

without conceding a single goal in the competition. They will face

either Hull city or Manchester United, who play the match tonight.

United have a lead in that one. We are used to see a white crane on the

face of Usain Bolt, but he definitely won't be smiling this

time -- a wide grin. He was disqualified because of his

team-mate's doping violation at the Beijing games. They say his

team-mate tested positive in a free analysis of samples from the 2008

Olympics. They made up after the relay team. As a result, Jamaica

have been stripped of their gold, meaning he can no longer claim to

hold that famous treble - treble. He may get a repeal because Carter will

appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The winner of the

downhill gold has now withdrawn from today's super G competition. She

collided heavily with the crash barriers after she crossed the

finish line when she won the downhill gold on the opening day of

the world Para Alpine ski championships in Italy. That's all

the sport for now. We will have the headlines at 10:30am. Thanks, Hugh.

Over the past few months on this programme, we've brought

you exclusive testimony from former footballers who allege

they were sexually abused as young players at clubs across the country.

Now it's emerged that it's not illegal for sports coaches to have

sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

The NSPCC is today demanding that loophole must be closed

The charity also wants to tighten the rules around background checks.

Wanting the most stringent check compulsory for all coaches

Jim, people will be shocked it's not illegal for sports coaches to have

sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

Let's take you through how it works in this country at the moment.

But it's also illegal for someone in authority to have sex

But that only applies to certain roles and professions.

So for example, a teacher, social worker, someone

It's not across it is only in these named professions.

So it would then be illegal for a football coach to have sex,

even consensual sex, with anyone under the age of 18.

The NSPCC says that should also apply to other roles -

And there's a second change asked for as well?

So this is to do with background checks which show whether someone

has a criminal record or has been banned from working with children.

If you or a football club, you can have a background check. That should

tell you, does this person have a criminal record? Are they barred

from working with children even if they don't have a criminal record?

In 2012, the Government relaxed the rule on this.

So as things stand, it's now in fact against the law for a local football

club to get the most stringent or enhanced check unless that coach

is working on their own with kids on a regular basis.

They have to be working unsupervised on a regular basis.

The NSPCC now thinks the Government has gone too far.

They want to look into assistant coaches and assistant managers who

might not be unsupervised, but do have a lot of contact with kids.

They want that loophole closed so it is compulsory for everybody.

One person this morning called this "drivel that will make

Their argument is that this is really tinkering around

the edges, and they want a much tougher form of child protection.

One idea is Mandatory Reporting, which we've spoken about

The Goverment's consulting on that measure at the moment.

Now, that would mean if you are working for a football

club and you have a reasonable suspicion that abuse is going on,

And the argument is that would change the culture

It would be against the law to not report it. That is not the case in

this country at the moment, whereas it is in other countries like

Australia. Ian Ackley was the victim of abuse

in the 80s by a football coach. He is now one of the people speaking

to the FA about child safety. This takes a shift

in attitude of people. You can put all the legislation

in place that you want to, but unless the attitudes

of people and organisations shift dramatically, we are going to be

stuck with all the same barriers And what we need to do is make this

effective to protect all children What does the Government say? It

says it has written to all of sport's governing bodies late last

year to make the child protection policies as strong as possible.

Thanks, Jim. We can speak to the NSPCC's

Lisa McCrindle, who wants the law to be changed,

father of two sport playing kids and Chair of Culture,

Media and Sport Committee Damian Collins MP, Andy Wilby,

who was abused by his gym coach at 14 years old and has

waived his right to anonymity, Lisa, protection in sport ends at

16? What currently happens is around those individuals having

relationships with 16 and 17-year-olds, what we want to make

sure that is the same protections are in place are extended to those

working regularly with children who are also able to establish those

relationships and potentially abuse them. Because a predator working

with kids, even with another adult are, can still target children?

Absolutely. In relation to the 16 and 17-year-olds, extension of the

existing laws we think it should be covering a wider group of people, to

protect those young people developing intense relationships in

sporting and training relationships, they will have intense

relationships, a position of trust which can be abused. Just as weak

spectators not to do that, we should be applying that two other -- just

as teachers are not expected to do that. Did you know that legally

sports coaches could have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in the care?

Well, Victoria, I was shocked to hear that, too, because I think it

is wrong. I think anybody looking at that would say that this is clearly

a massive loophole that needs to be closed down. It is entirely

inappropriate for coaches to have sexual contact with people as young

as 16 and 17 years old. Are you going to close it down then? I will

certainly raise this with the Government. I think this should be

looked at, and if it acquires a change in legislation we should do

that. And criminal checks, which the NSPCC is also calling for to be

tightened today, before 2012-13 there was a process in which an

adult who was working regularly with children in the presence of another

adult could be checked. You and the Lib Dems relaxed that, you stopped

that. Was that a mistake? I think we have to be careful with this.

Because I see with my own children involved in grassroots sport, a lot

of grassroots sport is delivered by parents, you know, working as

coaches and supporting coaches. At that grassroots level, where

actually the access to the children is fully supervised, often by

multiple adults, in an environment like that, would it be necessary? I

think that environment is very different from the sort of

environment where we have had this debate and, you know, all. Or is you

have had on your programme about abuse in sport, younger people who

are part of formal academies and clubs. I think the coaches working

in the environment like that, where unsupervised access is more likely

to occur, should have those checks in place. I think we need to look

very carefully at the recommendation Yannis BCC has made and say,

actually, should this be a statutory requirement or an obligation that is

placed on the sports and the clubs to make sure that any coach who

works for them who is likely or potentially could have unsupervised

access is checked in this way. Do you accept that even if there are

other adults around, a predator can groom children? As I say, when you

look at real grassroots sports, and my eight-year-old son plays at the

local rugby club, there is a family atmosphere, lots of parents and

coaches around. The reality is that a lot of grassroots sport is

delivered by volunteers and parents together working on weekend

mornings. That is different from a more formal coaching relationship. I

understand the point you're making. It is very different. On the

question of bringing in legislation across the board, it will create a

huge amount of bureaucracy for community and family run clubs,

whereas actually what we want to do is target a structure that is

slightly further up the football pyramid, where children are more

intensively involved in sport, under the supervision of coaches and away

from their families. I think all the proper checks should be done in that

situation. Should that be enforced by the sport or does it require an

across-the-board change to legislation, is the question. Let me

bring in Andy. Thank you for talking to us. You were groomed and abused

by your weight training course when you were 14 and it went on for 18

months. I wonder if you can tell the audience what the impact has been on

your life what you went through. It has been difficult, leading me to

suburb with anxiety and depression. Drug and drink problems when I was

younger. And it is quite difficult. My kids are getting involved with

grassroots sport now, and it's quite difficult to trust that the same

thing wouldn't happen to them at some point. What do you think of

what the NSPCC is calling for today, for these, as they describe them,

loopholes to be closed by the Government immediately? I completely

agree. Anything that can protect children from what I have been

through is nothing but a good thing, and the Government should be doing

everything in their power to make sure children are not abused. Do you

think that enhancing the checks on those who work with children could

lead to fewer volunteers coming forward to help out with their kids'

sports clubs? May be in the short-term, but I see it as a minor

inconvenience when it comes to make King sure -- making sure our

children are safe. You heard what David said - potentially it could be

too bureaucratic and could put people off volunteering. What do you

say? Those volunteers are already checked. That already happens, the

enhanced check. We want to make sure that the most stringent check, a

check against those who are barred from working with children, is

included. At the moment, the legislation prohibits that. In

response, we would be concerned. Most of the cases we have heard

about recently, and the calls we get on our helpline, demonstrate that

abuse doesn't have to take place when you are alone. It is

facilitated with the relationships that are established with the child,

and also with the family and carers. Because you've established that

relationship, the abuse can then take place in other settings because

the trust is enabled. This won't create additional bureaucracy

because those individuals were already being checked. This is an

opportunity to protect our children and ensure that the most stringent

checks are undertaken on adults so we're not losing opportunities to

make sure we are prohibiting those who are barred from working with

children. And the, trusting other adults when your kids want to get

involved in sport, do you find yourself stopping them doing things

because of what you experienced as a teenager? -- Andy. The majority of

people are not predators, and you do have to trust these things. I would

be reluctant to leave them with anybody unsupervised. Thank you for

coming on the programme. Damian Collins, thank you for joining us.

And Lisa McCrindle from the NSPCC. We'll see what happens and report

back for our audience. A record number of inmates killed

themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. We will be to

someone who knows what it is like to be suicidal in prison.

Donald Trump says torture works and "we have to

In his first TV interview since becoming US President,

he told ABC News that he will be consulting with his Defence

Secretary and CIA Director over whether they should look

at using water-boarding, which simulates drowning

and is currently banned in the US, and other methods.

Mr President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring

Yeah. And a hell of a lot worse.

When they are shooting, when they are

When they are chopping off the heads of people

because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East.

When Isis is doing things that nobody has

ever heard of since medieval times, would I feel strongly about

As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire

Now, with that being said, I'm going with General Mattis.

I'm going with my secretary, because I think Mike Pompeo is going to be

phenomenal. I am going to go with what they say. I spoke as recently

24 hours ago with people at the highest level intelligence and asked

them the question, does it work? Does torture work? The answer was

yes, absolutely. You are now the president - do you want

waterboarding? I don't want anyone to have their head chopped off in

the Middle East because they are Christian or Muslim or anything

else. Now they chop them off, put them on camera and send them all

over the world. We have that and we are not allowed to do anything. We

are not playing on an even field. I will say this: I will rely on Mike

Pompeo, general matters and my group. If they want to do it, I will

work toward that end. I will do what you are allowed to do within the

bounds of legality. Do I feel it works? Absolutely, I feel it works.

I have to bring you this breaking news. The Brexit secretary, David

Davis, has told the Commons in reply to a question about Donald Trump's

remarks on waterboarding colon the British Government's stance is

playing. We don't condone it under any circumstances whatsoever. It

will be interesting to see if Theresa May brings it up with Donald

Trump when she meets him. Nigel Inkster is a former

Director for Operations and Intelligence at MI6,

and is now Director of Transnational Threats and Political Risk

at the International Institute for Strategic Studies

intelligence think-tank. And joining me from Londonderry

is Moazzam Begg, a British citizen who was subject to torture and sent

to Guantanamo Bay prison. Moazzam Begg, can you tell our

audience what waterboarding involves, please? Yes, of course.

Waterboarding is a technique first used in a Spanish prison. It means

water torture, and it means a person is tied down, their hands, legs,

head and arms, and water is poured into their mouths and their noses,

and they get the sensation of feeling like they are drowning, even

though when you go swimming, you can get water in your nose, imagine that

for a sustained time. That is what waterboarding is. Japanese soldiers

who did this during World War II to American soldiers were prosecuted

for war crimes and were executed. So it is shocking that when the Bush

administration came along and called it enhanced interrogation

techniques, after his advisers said that if there was no organ failure

it is not torture. President Obama said that the result of that torture

had unintended consequences, such as invading Iraq. Can I ask, what type

of torture have you been subjected to? IMing dairy and I have been

talking to men here -- I am in Londonderry. I was put in stress

positions, beating and torture, and psychological torture. The result of

that was what? Did you then tell your interrogators some information

that until then you had kept from them? Did you tell them what they

thought they wanted to hear? What was the result of the torture? The

result was that I sign a confession. The BBC made a film recently about

that confession. It said I was a member of Al-Qaeda. There were

threats to my family. The physical torture I enjoyed and underwent, and

the threat of being sent to summary trial and being executed. Let me

bring in Nigel, a former employee of MI6. The belief torture works? In

one sense, you can say that maybe it does. Let's take an example... Is

the information you get from torture reliable? That varies. Let's take

the case of Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s. How did the

Argentine military crack their opposition? They torture them and

once they got all the information they could, they threw them at the

back of a Hercules over the South Atlantic. They did defeat the

opposition, but at an awful cost in terms of the society, which still

bears the scars. To say that torture works is a bit like saying that

slavery works as a model of economic production. It is not the

conversation we ought to be having. What do you think Donald Trump

suggesting that waterboarding, the ban on waterboarding, may be

reversed? He has cunningly qualified it by saying he would support the

Director of the CIA and the Defence Secretary if they asked for it. I

know James Matias by reputation. He is a thoughtful, educated man who

took 6000 books with him to Iraq to read. I don't know Mike Pompeo but

he comes across as intelligent and accomplished. I would be surprised

if in the CIA the first thing they say to the incoming directories, we

need get back to waterboarding. The way to deal with this problem of

Isis and Al-Qaeda is not by using this sort of technique. In the case

of Cally Sheikh Mohammed... The mastermind of the 911. This is a man

who had information that was not available. What you really need is

good, comprehensive intelligence, good forensics, forensics that

enable you to identify and prosecute the perpetrators of specific

terrorist attacks, and intelligence that is pre-empted. We are not so

interested in what people were doing last week. The intelligence services

need to know what they will be doing next week, and the best way to do

that is to get agents on the inside and get across communication leaks.

Moazzam Begg, if the ban is reversed in terms of torture methods in the

United States, could that backfire in terms of propaganda material for

members of Isis? You like two things quickly. First, yes, because you saw

that Isis dresses victims in orange suits, and there were allegations

that Isis members had waterboarded some of their captives. Second,

let's look at the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was based on the torture

of a man who was a CIA DK knee held in Egypt, when he give a false

confession that Al-Qaeda was working with Saddam Hussein on weapons of

mass destruction. Colin Powell took that information to the UN Security

Council to argue for war in Iraq, and the rest is history. As a result

of that, we got Isis incrementally. Thank you for your time, Moazzam

Begg, and Nigel Inkster. Deaths and incidences

of self-harm and assault We'll be talking to a former

prisoner who was suicidal when incarcerated,

and the ex-offender We hear from the man known

as "the Spielberg of video games", and get his vision

of the future of gaming. With the news, here's Annita

in the BBC Newsroom. New figures show that a record

number of inmates killed themselves in prisons in England

and Wales last year. The Ministry of Justice says

there were 119 suicides - the highest number since records

began in 1978. The number of self-harm

incidents jumped by 23%, and assaults rose by 31%

on the previous year. I'm very clear that the levels of

violence in our prisons are too high. The levels of self harm are

too high. Since I became Justice Secretary, I focused on dealing with

this problem. That's why we're investing in extra ?100 million,

2500 extra prison officers across the estate.

Raffaele Sollecito, who was acquitted of Meredith Kercher's

murder alongside Amanda Knox, has told this programme he still has

a debt of more than 400,000 euros following the case.

He said the maximum he can claim from the Italian government

This is calculated by the number of days you spend in prison. But this

ordeal didn't last only for four years, it lasted ten years. I was

inside this nightmare the ten years. GDP figures, which measure national

output, show the UK economy grew by 0.6% during the fourth quarter

of last year. The figure is unchanged

from the previous three months. Some economists had forecast

a slow-down after the Brexit referendum, but strong consumer

spending in the run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel

and restaurant industries The US President Donald Trump says

he believes that torture can work to get information out

of suspected terrorists. Speaking to the American ABC

network, he said he would seek further advice before deciding

whether to bring back techniques But I have spoken as recently as 24

hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked

them the question, does it work? Does torture work? And the answer

was, yes, absolutely. The NSPCC has told this programme it

wants it to be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex

with 16 and 17-year-olds In an exclusive interview,

the charity pointed out it was already illegal for teachers

and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds

in their care. It's also calling for

the rules around background checks to be tightened -

with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches

working with children. That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11am. Here is he with the latest

sport. Good morning. It has been a big day for the Williams family.

Venus and Serena both made the final at the Australian open. Venus took

three sets to beat the fellow American and rich her first grand

slam since 2009, when she beat her younger sister Serena. She reaches

her 34th major final inside one hour. Meanwhile, Roger Federer leads

by 2-1 against Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. Wawrinka took the third

set 6-1, things may be about to turn around. A break each so far in the

fourth. Southampton boss has stretched the importance of playing

in Europe. And Britain's Millie Knight, who won Bown Hill Gold in

the world pal back Alpine ski championships -- the world Para

Alpine ski championships will not compete today after injuring her

leg. That's all the sport for now, I will be back after 11am.

The Brexit Secretary David Davies is publishing a Bill today which will

allow the Government to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to

begin the formal process of leaving the EU. Norman Smith is at

Westminster. We are beginning to get a clearer idea of what Brexit will

look like. It will get published shortly. This bill will kick-start

the whole process. Later this morning, the Government will tell us

how quickly they want it through the Commons. And in the next few days we

expect to get this white paper setting out Mrs May's approach to

negotiations. A good time to step back and see Mrs May is doing in

delivering Brexit. Well, this week she may have been a bit down in the

dumps. Because of firstly the judges, the Supreme Court ruling

saying that MPs had to have a vote before we can begin the process to

leave the EU, not what Mrs May wanted. And then we have the Brexit

plan. She was forced to climb down over her opposition to a white

paper, the paper setting out the Goverment's formal approach to the

negotiations. Lastly, Tory rebels. The signs are there maybe 12, maybe

up to 20 Tory MPs who are quite happy to cause her problems over

Brexit, when she has only got a majority of around 16. On the other

hand, she might be feeling quite glad that things are really going

rather well. Why? Well, first off, Labour is split. Labour or at sixes

and sevens over Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't managed to forge a

united position for his party, and his MPs haven't really been able to

say whether they are going to oppose Article 50 or support it, what their

stance is on immigration. That is a pretty big plus for Mrs May. Then

there are fears about peers. The House of Lords could cause all sort

of trouble. But you sense that members of the House of Lords or a

bit frightened. They don't want to do that because it would be

unelected peers in effect spinning in the face of the referendum, and

what people had voted for. Lastly, there's people power. Mrs May can

keep coming back and saying, well, this is what the electorate voted

for in the referendum. I have a mandate for delivering Brexit. One

final thought, Victoria. We focus a lot on what happens in this place,

but at the end of the day, whether Brexit is a success or not may

depend just as much on what happens on the other side of the channel,

what sort of deal the other 27 EU countries are prepared to cut us.

Thank you very much, Norman. The Ministry of Justice has

released its quarterly figures on prison statistics

in England in Wales. They show that 119 prisoners

took their own life last There were also record numbers of

self harm incidents. What are some of the initiatives that put

well-being over punishment? Alongside punishment, anyway. One of

the most successful schemes is the Samaritans' listeners service, where

prisoners are trained to provide emotional support by becoming

listeners. Many prisoners say the power of peer led initiatives is

that it gives the mutual respect and a purpose to talk things through

with somebody who has been through it themselves. Let's talk to Michael

Owen, he is in Belfast. He went to jail in 2007 for a drug trafficking

offence. He says he felt like killing himself on a number of

occasions until he was able to confidentially talk to a fellow

inmate through one of these peer schemes. And we have got that man

here, Mick Hall, who Michael says saved his life. Mikel to Michael and

many others. For years on, they still write to each other and plan

to meet up for a pint. Welcome, both of you. Also with us is Frances

Crook, Chief Executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform. That beget

your reaction, Francis, to the figures released this morning? It's

a national scandal, and we should all be shocked. The suicide rate in

prisons is ten times that in the community. Prisoners so why prisons

or actually killing people. That shouldn't happen in our prisons.

People should at least be safe. Too many men, women and teenagers take

their own lives in prisons. That somebody every three days taking

their own life, mostly by hanging, not always. So something has to be

done to save lives. Of course, the other side to it is that people die

from so-called natural causes, where perhaps they might have survived if

they had been in the community. That is somebody dying from so-called

natural causes every single in prison. Michael, when you went to

jail in 2007, it was the first time this has happened to you. Tell us

what led to you feeling suicidal? Well, first of all it was the actual

thing, you lose hope, you have this feeling of hopelessness comes across

you. And then you have so many different factors to deal with in

prison, the pressures are really, really, really high. I mean, as

Irving James once said, people will never understand the strength and

courage it takes to get through imprisonment. It could be anything

that triggers this. At that time, whenever I met Nick, I had just been

sentenced. My father wasn't very well. And I was in a certain bit of

trouble with some of the officers on the wing. And I just had this

overwhelming feeling of hopelessness. And there was no way

out. And I was standing, leaning on the landing one date with sort of my

head in my hands, and mix just came over and said, are you a cake, big

lad? And I said, I'm not, actually. We went to had a cup of tea and we

took it from that. Mix, from your point of view? Yes, when people

first come to prison, it's not how you see on the telly. On the news

programmes, and in dramas. And the way of dealing with things in

everyday life is totally different. And you're not really taught this.

They have, they have induction processes that you go through. But

even that isn't real life situations. And, you know, the

prison officers haven't got time to cope with what's happening to each

individual prisoner outside of life. How did you help Michael? Well,

talking, basically. Helping the sort of come EU no, he didn't have any

specific problems, I think he had just more or less started to be a

friend. I've probably got a weird sense of humour, so I might have

cracked a few jokes to break the ice. He is smiling at you saying

that! We just went on to become friends. There were things may be

that he didn't understand about how to organise things, and papped I was

able to help him with that. -- perhaps I was able to help. Michael,

he says perhaps he was able to help, how would you describe it was Greg

-- how would you describe it? Present-day structures you, and you

lose your identity as a person, your identity as a man -- prison the

structures you. I didn't know how to deal with myself, and Mikel to me do

that. We started doing a writing course and working on the prison

radio together. I was lucky enough whenever I ended up back in Northern

Ireland I became a listener myself, I was able to pass on the knowledge

on the experiences that Mike had taught me. Because I've lived

through it and I'd walked the walk of these experiences, I was able to

help other people. And it was so rewarding and it gave me a sense of

purpose. I'd just like to take this opportunity in public just to say

thanks, mate, you know, you turned my life around, you know. Cheers,

mate. There's not a lot we can say about that, is the? It's real, and

special, you know. This is the first time we've sort of really spoken

about it. Our only conversations and our friendship doesn't really come,

from my point of view, from saving lives or anything, you know, so,

thanks very much for that. It's all right. Of course, there will be some

people who say, if you don't want to go through the prison system then

don't do that crime in the first play. -- in the first place. Why

should people have sympathy for inmates who are having a bad time?

We could really get into a whole different field here. The old adage

of any person in prison is innocent, there is an awful lot of people in

prison that shouldn't be there, which is a different conversation

maybe for a different day. What do you say to that, Francis? We don't

send people to die, and yet that is exactly what is happening. And there

are many, many people, many thousands of people who shouldn't be

imprisoned. Many people who are sent there on remand by the courts who

are found not guilty war who are not given a prison sentence. We've also

had sentence inflation. 20 years ago we'd send somebody to prison for

eight years, now we'd send them there for 15 or 20, and there is no

evidence that that makes anybody safer. It takes away hope, it means

that prisons are in a terrible overcrowded state, the rotten of

staff. They are rat infested, people aren't getting enough food --

they're not enough staff. We inspect a miracle to happen, but they fester

more crime than they solve. We are creating huge problems for ourselves

and people are dying as a result. Mix, tell us about person that you

helped to save, effectively, by helping them fill out a form?

This was a guy about my age. I was asked to speak to him one night

because he wouldn't interact with anybody, not even the staff. He

wouldn't come out for meals and things like that. They asked if I

would speak to him to see if I could find out what the problem was. At

first, he was very aggressive, in that he didn't want to speak to me

or to be -- for me to be there. The prison was in lockdown. I said, I

won't be able to go anywhere for a couple of hours, so I will just sit.

After a while, we started talking. He wasn't getting any visit from his

family, because the system says you have to fill in a form and ask

permission for a visiting order, basically an application for the

family to come and visit, but the family can't say, for instance,

wildlife can say to me, I want to come and visit you. I have to send

her a request and she filled it in. Because he couldn't read or write,

he couldn't do that, so his family couldn't come to see him, he

couldn't explain why. You were in a certain amount of money each week,

you are given an allowance, and you have to put this on to a canteen

list, and you can put so much money on the phone so you use the paper.

He didn't know how to fill the forms in, so he couldn't even phone his

family and explain his situation. He couldn't bring himself to tell

anybody, so... He was embarrassed, as Shane? Yes. And he didn't want

people to see this weakness in him. He eventually went on to read and

write. What made me feel good was when I stood up a few months later,

I was teaching the sky to read and write, and I heard him do a reading

in church. Gosh, you will make me cry. Blimey! What is your message to

Liz Truss? I had a good meeting with the Justice secretary yesterday, and

I think she has plans in place to deal with some of the problems. She

is recruiting more staff... It will take time. It will. Prison officers

are not paid much and they are giving very little training, and it

is a profession. Immediately, we have to get prison numbers down

because there are not the staff to deal with them, and you can't ask

other prisoners to do this. It is not their job. It is great that

there are listeners supported by the Samaritans, but it ought to be

staffed. The only solution is to get the numbers down. The Howwood league

has suggested simple ways we can get those numbers down and change

prisons so that they can serve a real purpose. Then when you have

prisoners properly trained to help other prisoners, they will have the

time and support to do it. Prisons can work, but they are really not at

the moment. I have this breakdown of the numbers and which prisons have

the highest number of self-inflicted deaths. Woodhill jail near Milton

Keynes, with seven people. And it is 18 in the last four years. And seven

in one year. And it is relatively new. The Government is building lots

of new prisons, but they don't themselves solve the problem. New

buildings aren't the answer. It is not the buildings that are the

problem, it's the overcrowding in the system. The system is in crisis

because it is crumbling. Thank you very much. Thank you for talking to

us, really appreciate it. Mike, it is so good to hear you and make

talking to each other. -- you and Mick.

Let's remind you of those figures that we broke earlier on Britain's

recent economic performance - the economy grew by 0.6%

in the final three months of last year and by 2% over 2016,

that's according to figures just released by the Office

Economists had forecast a slow-down after the Brexit referendum.

In the last few minutes, the Chancellor Philip Hammond

The figures today, which are very good, show the resilience of the UK

economy, and they pointed a bright future we have as we go into this

period of negotiation with the European Union based on the very

clear agenda that the Prime Minister set out last week.

Next we're talking about the man described by some as the Spielberg

Hideo Kojima is the brains behind the top-selling Metal Gear series

that inspired a style of game that many of today's bestselling

Radio 1 Newsbeat reporter Steffan Powell has been given rare

behind the scenes access to his new studio in Tokyo,

where Mr Kojima is planning on changing the industry once again.

Once again. He is not one to rest on his laurels, Hideo Kojima. People

may be don't know who he is, but 30 years ago, games were all about

fighting people, then he came along and made one about sneaking around

instead. Since then, through lots of innovation and lots of ideas since,

that basic principle has been replicated time and again ever

since. He has won pretty much every major lifetime achievement award in

gaming. When he speaks, the industry listens, so we were lucky to have a

tour and him talking us through some of the significant places in his

recent history. What did he say about his future, the future? Anyone

who plays games, their future. If you are sat at home watching Downton

Abbey, he wants to have this in place where you can stop watching

and start playing it and vice versa, if you could be playing a game...

Playing a Downton Abbey game? You like it is more than that, it is an

experience merged into one. Instead of me explaining it, here is what

the man himself said. TRANSLATION: Things such as games,

music, novels and movies, and all these things will kind

of mesh together into one As you can see, he is talking about

the idea where things are merging together. He is working on a big

secret game that we don't know much about. He is suggesting that this

sort of thing will already be coming when that one is released in the

next couple of years. Healy is explaining that.

TRANSLATION: We want this game to be something that people can

get into very easily, but after they play it

for about an hour or two, they start to notice something