13/02/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley,

in for Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

Chaos in one of the biggest prisons in the country has been revealed

Move away from it or else I will use it on you. I would prefer it if you

didn't. Can you move away from it? Lacey I can step up here.

An undercover reporter discovered widespread drug use,

a lack of control, door alarms that did not go off in one

block and a hole in an internal security fence.

We'll hear from prisoners and guards this morning.

And if you've spent time in prison recently,

we are really keen to hear your experiences this morning.

Also on the programme, more division for the church over

How damaging will the row be for the church?

Good morning, I am Father Andrew Foreshaw-Cain, I'm happily married

to my husband and I believe the report today is a steaming pile of

waffle which will harm the church. And Gavin Ashenden, have spent years

on the General Synod and the report invites us to take direction that

the teaching of Jesus and the faithfulness of the Church does not

allow us to go in. And Adele stole the show

at the Grammys overnight - for an amazing George Michael

cover....but it didn't I know it's live TV, I'm sorry,

I need to start again, I'm sorry for swearing and I'm

sorry for starting again. Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11. I'm Chloe Tilley and

throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

and developing stories. A little later in the programme

we'll hear from children of addicted parents -

as a new report from the NSPCC says they receive a call every single

hour from adults worried about drugs We'll talk about the impact it has

on those young children. If you've got you own experience,

do get in touch - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text,

you will be charged Widespread drug use,

door alarms that didn't work and a hole in a perimeter fence

- just some of the discoveries made by a BBC undercover

reporter at a prison Panorama discovered evidence

of major security failings during secret filming at HMP

Northumberland which holds more than 1,000 men and is run

by the firm Sodexo. Undercover in one

of our biggest jails. For two months, BBC Panorama filmed

the drugs feeding addiction inside. HMP Northumberland is a private jail

run by the French company Sodexo On the undercover reporter's first

day inside, 2.5 kilograms of Spice, an illegal high with a prison value

of ?250,000 was found in two cells. Despite this, Panorama was told

there was no lockdown, so the block The BBC secretly filmed

inmates high on drugs. CCTV cameras recorded

an inmate being stamped on. At one point, Panorama's

undercover reporter During filming, the BBC discovered

a serious security breach, Nearby, officers found

wire-cutting tools and, later, It meant drugs could have been

passed into the jail. The reporter asked

the governor what went wrong. Sodexo, the company that runs

the prison, said the safety of staff The Ministry of Justice said it

would urgently investigate the BBC's footage and that the government

is determined to reform our prisons. Much more on that when we speak to

one former prisoner who says 85% of the people he was in prison with

work on spies. Now a summary of the rest of the day's news. -- they were

on spice. Britain's biggest supermarket Tesco

says it's taking immediate action to check prices,

after a BBC investigation revealed two thirds of deals

on the shelves were out of date, A team from BBC Inside Out visited

50 branches across England, and found multi-buy deals

still being advertised days - and in some cases months

after the deductions The Co-Op Bank has

announced it's up for sale. The high street bank has over

four million customers but almost collapsed in 2013 after a series

of financial problems. Since then it's been run by private

investment companies who say they've now made "considerable progress"

in turning the business around. The body that approves church law,

the General Synod of the Church Much of the debate is likely

to centre on the clergy's response to a report on gay

marriage, which upholds a traditional definition of marriage

as being between a man and a woman. But 11 former bishops have accused

the church of ignoring Nearly 200,000 people

in Northern California are being evacuated from their homes

after the tallest dam in America Officials feared the

Oroville Dam could be about to collapse after a giant hole

developed in the overflow channel. Crews using helicopters have

dropped rocks to fill the gouge in the spillway,

and the excess water this programme they were conned out

of thousands of pounds by an organisation that said it could win

in custody. This service is provided by Mackenzie Friends, not legally

trained but providing support for those going to court, the company

charged for their services and there are now calls for this to be

regulated. We will have a special report on that just talking to

families who have been affected just after 9:30am.

At the Grammy's Adele has broken her own record,

becoming the first person to take the top three awards

The star was honoured at the awards in Los Angeles for her single Hello

But the London-born singer apparently turned down

the award for best album, saying Beyonce deserved it more.

Adele won five prizes in all, including three of the top awards,

Best Album, Song of the Year and record of the year.

Sir Bradley Wiggins has pulled out of Channel 4's winter sports show

Britain's most decorated Olympian suffered a small

fracture while taking part in snow cross training.

The eight-time Olympic medallist and Tour de France winner said

he was "gutted" that the injury forced him out.

Channel 4 said Sir Bradley had been keen to continue but wouldn't appear

after the fourth show in the series, which has attracted

criticism after a number of previous celebrities

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

Your views are welcome on gay marriage within the church. We will

be talking to various interested parties.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning,

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

And a football doping investigation has been conducted with some

surprising findings, Will Perry joins us now, so Will,

At least 39% of players in the English football league were not

drugs tested for illegal doping, according to figures we have

received, that is the Championship and League 1 and League 2, although

not the Premier League. The body that carries out testing on behalf

of the FA and also test the 50 Olympic, Paralympic and Commonwealth

professional sports, they took thousands of samples from 1989

players in the EFL. From 550 players to play in the Premier League, 799

samples were taken, a massive difference which does not account

for players being tested more than once, one player tested five times

would mean five samples, for instance. So those figures relate to

the English football league but it's not just them that have been

questioned. No, figures show there is an even bigger problem in women's

football with only 36 samples taken from 169 players in Women's Super

League one, the top flight of domestic women's football, the

Football Association say like any sport, it has prioritised and

anti-doping programme at the elite end of it and they also say the

researchers intelligence led, meaning any player that the FA

thinks presents a problem will be targeted, last season we had the

Brentford midfielder Alan Judge who was the only player tested on behalf

of the FA to bridge these doping regulations and he was reprimanded

after proving that the substance he had taken was from an asthma

inhaler. Having said this, there are bigger issues in other European

leagues, Spain, Germany, the Scottish FA last year announced that

they had plans to tackle the issues and the English at a plan to double

the number of tests conducted next season at a cost of almost ?2

million. We'll have the headlines are you at our past nine. Thank you,

we will speak to you then. Next this morning, should

the Church of England stop insisting marriage has to be

between a man and a woman? The issue is set to cause

yet more divisions when the the General Synod -

that's basically the governing body of the church, made up of bishops,

clergy and lay members - At the moment gay people can't

get married in a Church of England church -

though they can get blessed in some. A report to be debated

at the meeting on Wednesday will stick to the traditional

definition of marriage In an unprecedented move,

that's now been opposed by 11 former bishops who say the church

is failing its LGBT members. Last month a House of Bishops report

said the Church shouldn't change its opposition

to same-sex marriage, tone and culture of welcome

and support" for gay people. We can talk now to Andrew

Foreshew-Cain who became Britain's first gay vicar to openly

marry his partner in 2014. formerly Bishop of Swindon,

who signed a letter at the weekend criticising the way the church

represents gay people And Gavin Ashendon is former

honorary chaplain to gay rights activist who now believes

marriage should be And we will shortly be

speaking to Susie Leafe, who is the Director of Reform

an organisation that campaigns to uphold the original

doctrines of the Church of England. Andrew, does the Church welcome LGBT

members of the community? I don't think so. They say they do but in

reality the Church of England is a very tough place for someone to be

LGBT. Would you agree? I think we have moved a long way but not far

enough. The criticism that we retired bishops have of this report

from serving bishops, and we do not underestimate the difficult job they

do holding the church together, around some difficult issues,

nevertheless, we feel that this report does not represent the kind

of direction that we were taking, and therefore understandably, a lot

of gay and lesbian people in the church feel very disappointed.

Before we get Gavin's point of view, do you think this is about the tone

and the message that is sent out to gay and lesbian members of the

community or is this about gay people being able to get married in

church? The current bishops would say it is about tone and they would

say they want to set a new tone. Actually I would say it should be

about reality, which is how LGBT people are treated by the church and

how our relationships are respected and recognised. It's also about

recognising that the Church of England has a prayerful response to

issues of human sexuality, and the bishops and this new report entirely

failed to recognise that. The report is right that we need a change of

tone but if you look for example at what else has happened this last

weekend when the Archbishop of Canterbury said about child

refugees, we don't just want sentiment, we want action. And the

problem with this report is that it rightly calls for a change of tone,

for a more welcoming, accepting attitude on behalf of the church but

that is only going to be real and we will only touch the real reasons for

homophobia if we need to see some action. I think for us retired

bishops it may well be that any move a bad marriage is too far. I myself

have struggled with that although I've now come to the conclusion that

sacramental marriage would be strengthened rather than weakened by

including same-sex partners. But nevertheless there are other things

we could do. Other things that this report could have proposed for

example the blessing of civil partnerships. That would have meant

that we were not just talking about changing tone, we were really doing

something about welcoming, accepting gay and lesbian people.

Bretts bring in Gavin. What about the issue about a blessing of

same-sex couples? Is that something you could see happening? The Church

of England? Well, I would like it say Christianity is about

indiscriminate love and this quality of love comes because of our

relationship with the Holy Spirit. It is not produced by a committee's

report even if it is done by bishops and my experience is that the

chumpble has been overwhelingly loving and accepting to people who

cross its doors. It is what it sets out to do. The problem with both gay

marriage and also the blessing of gay relationships is that to be a

Christian you're committed to follow the teaching of Jesus and the

teaching of Jesus is marriage is between a man and a woman with the

intention of having children. And the problem with the report is that

whilst it keeps a conventional approach, traditional Christianity

on the surface, in its legal advice at end, it is making arrangements

for formal blessings to be prepared after civil services. So Bishop

Michael was right, it is about the direction the report is take the

church in and from the teaching of Jesus, that's a direction that we

don't find ourselves able to take. I would challenge that the church

has been entirely loving and accepting of gay and lesbian people.

I have members of my congregation who are refugees from conservative

churches like Gavin's who come to me after years of abuse and the

theology that's held by the churches. I have regular contact

with people who self-harm and there have been well reported suicides.

They felt the only way out has been through suicide. There is a meeting

at the General Synod of a church in Manchester who lost a 14-year-old

young woman to suicide precisely because of teaching of the church.

And the sense and the hurt that that person was left with. Andrew, I mean

I understand that and the stories and the anecdotes that people are

suffering... These aren't anecdotes. I get text messages every day from a

young woman who is attending a conservative church in London who is

being told that she is wrong and is going to go to hell and she

self-harms every day. Sometimes so badly that she ends up in A

because the cut is too deep. And there is a psychological report

released in 2013 that says amazingly that gay people find themselves

mentally better off, their mental health is better off in conservative

churches. So we have two sets of evidence and the answer at the end

is all we can do as Christians to love one another and put the Bible

into practise and in that way we make our journey forward.

I want to bring in Suzie who just joined us as well. I don't know how

much Suzie has been able to hear of what we've said. Suzie, it is great

to have you on the programme. We were just hearing from Andrew saying

that many members of his congregation self-harm because they

are lesbian or gay and feel they are not accepted in some extreme cases

ending up in accident and emergency as a result. He's saying the church

isn't welcoming enough to the LGBT community? I think that's a really

difficult thing to hear and I feel sorry for those people. It is just

not the experience of the lesbian and gay people that I know within

our churches. Conservative churches. I think they are finding a real

sense of love and acceptance, a place where they're discovering that

God loves them and God wants the best for them and they're

flourishing. And they are happy that same-sex marriage is not allowed in

the Church of England? Well, I'm sure you've heard on the BBC over

the last couple of weeks there have been people like Ed Shaw talking and

I think their experience is very common. They're saying to live a

life that is the same in many ways of Jesus Christ, a single life, in

community, offers a great blessing. I wouldn't doubt that there are gay

and lesbian people in your churches who are widely welcomed because they

conform to the narrow set of views thaw want them to conform to. Those

of us who find joy and love in our relationships are not welcome in

your churches. I have been told I'm a false preacher and I'm going to

hell by members of those churches. Conforming is an easy way of

avoiding conflict and hurt and people like Ed Shaw represent a tiny

minority of both the gay and lesbian community in the church and much

more widely in society and what they are trying to do is using the

language of conversion therapy to pretend that going gay and lesbian

is a pathology and they are insisting that everybody must make

the choices that they are free to make themselves to be celibate. Ed,

if he is happy to be celibate, I'm happy for him, but his book talks

about his despair and unhappiness and how he Fanta saousz about the

lovely young man that he might build a relationship with, but can't

because of the theology he holds. The majority of gay and lesbian find

sources of blessing with their relationship with God as indeed I do

with mine. I'm really sorry... Go ahead Suzie. We're listening. I've

got various sounds coming around. I'm having to do this in the

reception at BBC Plymouth. I think, from what I heard Andrew saying,

he's trying to claim, I think, that a life should be a life that's

hassle free and without cost... No, that's not true, Suzie at all

because no relationship is ever, no marriage is ever hassle free without

cost. I have been with my partner for 17 years and I promise like

everybody in a long-term relationship there has been struggle

within that relationship, but that relationship is nonetheless a

relationship of love and plesing and support and encouragement as I'm

sure so is yours. That's, in this country, you are free to have that

relationship and I think that's a good thing. The question is, is

whether or not that is a relationship which is in line with

the teaching of Jesus Christ? What worries me about this debate is the

church and the Gospel are coming across as very stayed and unmoving

things and the church is a living organism. We are called to serve the

good news of Jesus Christ. The doctrine has developed through the

life of the Church. Sometimes we've got things terribly wrong like the

inqisation. On marriage which we're discussing this morning, we made

some very significant changes about divorce and welcoming divorced

people into church and to have their second marriage in church. We

continue, now, we welcome parents who are not married who bring their

children to be baptised and now, facing the question of gay and

lesbian people within the church, what we're called to do is to ask

how can we express the good news of Jesus Christ which Gavin and Suzie

have rightly emphasised as our central responsibility, how can we

proclaim that, not just in tone, but in real ways so that they also are

fully part of the church and are part of this loving, forgiving

action of God? Lots of people are getting in touch.

I would be keen to get you to respond to the messages. A text, "My

daughter is getting married in April. Same-sex. They have to get

married in the civic centre in Newcastle and the next day they're

getting blessed in a church. It doesn't make any sense why they can

be blessed, but not married." Another text, "I do not understand

why gay Christians and priests think they should have more rights than

the church? The taesmings of the church and the Bible don't support

gay relationships just as it does not support fornication. You cannot

change the principles of the Bible to suit your needs." I am a vicar

ministering in Thailand. I am also gay. LGBT people should be treated

equally not because it is the spirit of age, but it is central to the

truth and love shown in Jesus." Another text, "Although I think

getting married is good especially if you can do it in church, it is

about people cherry-picking the Bible and the so-called word of God

when it suits them. If you're not going to follow the teachings of the

Bible, then it is not going to work properly." I would say, I mean, I do

read the Bible every day and I would see myself as a faithful Bible

reading Christian. The bishop's report which started this off fails

to recognise that there is, within the Church of England, a significant

diversity of thee logical approaches and scripture interpretations. So

claiming there was a single way of reading Holy Script is wrong

basically. Gavin. How is this going to be resolved? This conversation

alone demonstrated the huge divisions within the Church of

England? That's a good question and an important one. The Church of

England has been very good, because it is very welcoming and it is

enormous by broad at gathering people together in one group and it

has done for a very long time. The problem as your e-mails and your

Twitter feed have shown is we've reached a point where the two-ways

of understanding our relationship as human beings are simply going in

different directions and the problem we're facing at the moment is that

even the inclusivity of the Church of England may not be broad enough

to manage to keep the two directions together and unfortunately that's

the experience of the church elsewhere. In America, for example,

where the conversation is 20 or 30 ahead of where we are now,

unfortunately, the Christian church separate the Anglican Church

separated into two groups, each pursuing what they thought the truth

was. Maybe that's what will have to happen here if we are to keep our

integrity and then we can test what Christianity will allow people to

flourish best. The same kind of things were said about the Ministry

of Women in the church and we in the Church of England took such a long

time to actually come to where we are now and where we are now is that

we have so many wonderful women serving as priest and bishops in the

Church of England, we haven't split. We haven't turned our back on the

Bible. We've actually moved forward under the power of the Holy Spirit.

We understand the Bible in different ways and we now have such a much

better church because it is inclusive, because it has the

diversity that women have brought and now let's see whether we could

also have a little bit of courage and do the same about gay and

lesbian people? We have had a text that's come in saying, "Why not form

a splinter church that would accommodate their preferences as

Gavin suggested? The Church of England is a splinter church from

the Catholic Church." What we want is a recognition that there is a

diversity of thee logical and pastoral approach to issues of

sexuality and we want that to be honoured in the same way that other

significant divisions within the church are honoured within the

church. Ordination of women, divorce, other things too. We have

enormous divergence of theology within the Church of England and one

of our geniuses is to learn to live with that and it would be a great

witness to the world if progressives and Conservatives within the Church

of England were able to do so within the Church of England. Good

disagreement is what the bishops were talking about three years ago

and that would be a wonderful thing to see. A tweet from Rich saying,

"Unless the Church of England changes its attitude to LGBT people.

It will die out. It is simple really." Thank you for coming in and

talking to us today. Your experience is welcome. You can

use the hashtag Victoria live throughout the programme.

Conned trying to get her children back.

This woman paid thousands to a man who said he could win

More than a million children could be living with an alcoholic

From the age of eight going to my dad's at the weekend I was

effectively the carer. It was typical for my dad to pick me up

from school, literally fall over because he was so drunk.

We'll hear from some of the children on how it has affected them.

A BBC investigation has found evidence of major security failings

at a privately-run prison in the North East of England.

A reporter from Panorama filmed undercover at the jail

in Morpeth, discovered a number of issues, including

Sodexo who run the prison says the safety of staff and inmates

The Ministry of Justice says it will investigate the footage

and the government is committed to reforming prisons.

Britain's biggest supermarket, Tesco, has promised

action after a BBC investigation revealed two-thirds of deals

on the shelves were out of date, and didn't work at the checkout.

Over three months a team from BBC Inside Out visited 50

branches of Tesco across England and found multi-buy deals

still being advertised days, weeks and in some cases months

after the deductions were no longer valid at the till.

The supermarket says it's working to make

A man from Bury has been charged and did the sparrows serves

offences act after a suspicious package was found at Manchester

Airport. The body that approves church law,

the General Synod of the Church of England, rates today. Much of the

debate will centre on the clergy 's response to a report on gay marriage

which upholds the traditional definition of marriage as being

between a man and a woman. 11 former bishops have accused the Church of

ignoring the views of gay Christians. One viewers says, the

teaching is based on the Ten Commandments and while having

sympathy for gay Christians it cannot allow them to Marin Cilic.

Richard says, I am 62, was brought up in the Church of England, was a

churchwarden until ten years ago, I am gay and right now despair of the

church and I want nothing to do with it because of this message it keeps

sending out. Keep sending in your messages. Let's get some sport.

The headlines, Joe Root should be confirmed as England test captain

today, he is believed to be the clear favourite after Alastair Cook

resigned after leading the side. Official figures today show that 39%

of players who played in the English football league last season were not

drugs tested by the anti-doping organisation. The programme was

specialised at the elite end. Claudio Ranieri says he may have

been too loyal to his Leicester players, they are now just one point

above the bottom three after losing to Swansea yesterday. In Scotland

were beaten by France 22-16 in France, the tenth time in a row

they've lost in Paris. England on the only unbeaten side after two

matches. More about those stories at ten o'clock. See you then. Thank

you. I was engrossed in some of your e-mails, I will read those in the

next few minutes. This programme has spoken to parents

who say they were conned out of thousands of pounds

by an organization that had promised The Parents' Voice London advertised

paid-for support for people going through the family courts,

known as McKenzie Friends. There are now calls

for this to be regulated. Our reporer James

Melley has the story. I felt like I'd been

conned significantly. I felt like my whole world

came crashing around me. He promised her that he would

get her children back. She was only a young mum,

you know, she was devastated There are examples of people

simply being ripped off. When families break up

and there's a dispute over the custody of children,

it can end up in places But because of changes in legal aid,

it's now increasingly hard for families to get funding

for those kinds of cases. When someone can't afford

or doesn't want a solicitor, McKenzie Friends can help people

representing themselves in court Anyone can be one, it doesn't

require any legal training, but increasingly McKenzie Friends

are demanding a fee The company The Parents Voice London

did just that, offering McKenzie Friends services

for those that paid. Last year, two of its directors,

Claire Mann and David Bright, were jailed for perverting

the course of justice in one case Now, several parents who paid them

thousands of pounds in the hope of getting help to win access

to their children are trying Rupinder Randhawa came

across David Bright and The Parents Voice

when she was fighting a decision Desperate for help, she paid them

thousands of pounds. When you got in touch

with David Bright in the first So I was not in a great space,

but I was still willing to... Your lawyer had told

you that there was very little What did David Bright tell

you when you spoke to him? That there was hope,

and there is something that he could definitely do,

and he did cases like this. Did he tell you how

successful he is? He told me that he'd

never lost a case. I felt encouraged to know

that he could possibly bring an opportunity where it is possible

for me to have custody She says David Bright

charged her ?480 a month and additional one-off fees

including ?6,000 to publish But, despite this, Bright

and The Parents Voice did How did you feel when you realised

that David Bright and The Parents I felt like I'd been

conned significantly. Like my whole world came

crashing around me, because there was no hope

in getting my children back, so... That just ruined everything,

it's like a false promise. Somebody had promised to do

something and they were not who they said they were,

so it just ruined everything, any hope I had left in me,

it just sucked every bit of life Quite often when parents

separate, one moves away. Jenny Lewington is a

McKenzie Friend, she worked with The Parents Voice but quit

because she says she She was also concerned about

David Bright's working practices. I'd gone to the hearing

with a mother who was trying to appeal an adoption,

and he'd submitted the wrong form And I rang him and said,

"Mum's submitted the wrong form." And I knew that he'd completed

the forms and then sent them to the client for signing

and sending to court, and he said, "Yes, I know I have,

I did it to try and delay matters." Do you think that would

have actually helped? This guy had promised this mother

that he would get her children back. And they'd already been

with the adoptive parents for some time, and I don't think

she would have got them back. She'd had a barrister up

to Bright got involved, and I think she approached Bright

out of desperation to try and get her children back,

and he said that he would What kind of impact did David Bright

have on the families She just said that he'd promised her

that he would get her children back. She was only a young mum,

you know, she was devastated The Law Society, which represents

solicitors, is calling for a ban on McKenzie Friends being able

to claim costs in court cases. We think that this would

help to really spell out that a McKenzie Friend is not a qualified

lawyer, does not have the training and expertise that a qualified

lawyer would have, and therefore should not be regarded as on a par

with a qualified lawyer. One of our concerns about the rise

in paid-for McKenzie Friends is that a lot of these people

are effectively acting as lawyers and advertising

themselves as lawyers, even though they do not have legal

training and legal qualifications, and they do not have the duties

to the court that a qualified If a lawyer were to mislead a court

or even allow a court to be misled, that would be a disciplinary offence

and they would be struck off. Have you heard of other cases

where McKenzie Friends have provided poor service or have

otherwise caused problems? There have been anecdotal

examples of McKenzie Sometimes it's a case

of well-meaning people who just don't have the understanding

that they need to in order to be Sometimes it's that they work

for an organisation that has a particular agenda,

and they put the organisation's agenda ahead of the interests

of the individual client. And sometimes there are examples

of people simply being ripped off by McKenzie Friends charging quite

significant sums, sometimes as much as lawyers would charge,

but arguing that lawyers are expensive, you can afford us,

therefore you should instruct us. I mean, you've got to watch him

in action, he's brilliant. Stephen, whose real name we can't

use for legal reasons, spent thousands of pounds

with The Parents Voice. A friend suggested he get in touch

with David Bright after his ex-wife took custody of their children

after the break-up I went to see him in his

Southgate office, and there He told me exactly what I wanted

to hear, he asked me if I wanted custody,

he asked me how much At the point where you

approached David Bright, I went in thinking, "There's got

to be no-one who can promise me the earth,

no-one that's that good." There's obviously solicitors out

there that are wonderful, but they cost tens and tens

of thousands. Friends of mine have paid half

a million in lawyers' fees just to get one inch from their ex-wife,

so he came as a welcome surprise because I was told he wasn't that

expensive in advance. He asked me for ?1,000

in advance, then monthly ?500, then that would be it,

there'd be no other charges. He'll send thousands

of letters, if I want. He'll bombard the other side,

he would win the case for me. He'll appoint a lawyer that

would turn up at court At the time, I was broken,

I was really in a low, Psychologically I was exhausted,

I didn't know what to do. Stephen claims Bright took

around ?12,000 from him by double-billing him,

and for work he didn't do. He says since Bright's conviction

he's been contacted by other people who feel their money was wrongly

taken by The Parents Voice. People that are just

so shocked, they've had What he does, he gets them

all so close and he makes You know, a lot of these people have

violent exes, horrible exes, and the children are always

involved, so what he does, he manipulates the parents

with the vision of the kids, Like Stephen and several other

people, Rupinder Randhawa has won a County Court judgment

against David Bright and The Parents Voice

for more than ?10,000. She didn't win her children back,

and resents the false I'm just looking forward

to the future and moving on with my life, doing the things

that I should have been doing in the year that I've wasted

of doing absolutely nothing David Bright was released

from prison last month. We asked him for an interview,

but he said no. He told us he denies any wrongdoing,

and that he and The Parents Voice had helped hundreds of people

with their cases. In making this film,

we've heard from several people that have had positive experiences

with McKenzie Friends, but senior judges are considering changing

the rules for how McKenzie Friends operate, including setting up a code

of conduct so those using them in the future will know

what to expect. We have had a tweet from Jason

saying "He destroyed my life and deserved a longer sentence, family

courts need reform as there are too many calls." Mark says, there are

good and bad people in all walks of life, many McKenzie Friends

fantastic and only focus on what is best for the children. Likewise some

solicitors are only interested in the monetary rewards and others are

genuine. After 10am we'll speak

to a McKenzie Friend Really keen to hear your

experience this morning. Coming up, the children

of a terminally ill couple who died of cancer within days of each other

have shared this moving photograph of their parents'

last moments together. We'll speak to a family

friend before 11am. It's thought more than

a million children could be living with an alcoholic

or drug-dependent parent. Every single hour the NSPCC receives

a call from an adult who is concerned about alcohol

or drugs being used around children. But is enough being

done to help them? Earlier this month the Labour MP

Jon Ashworth spoke in Parliament about his experience of growing up

with an alcoholic father. He urged ministers to do more

to stop children with similar His testimony was so powerful it

brought the Health Minister, My parents divorced

when I was about seven or eight. They divorced, to be frank

and candid, because of the strain that my father's alcoholism

placed on marriage. In the week, I would live

with my mum and at weekends And my dad would spend

the whole weekend drunk. In fact, from the age

of eight or so, going to my dad's at the weekend,

I was effectively the carer. It would be very typical for my dad

to pick me up from school, literally fall over,

because he was so drunk. I recall - because this

wasn't the days of mobile phones and so on -

going to the phone box to order It wasn't far to walk, to be fair,

but we couldn't walk up Or I would go back to my dad's

on Friday after school, open the fridge, as you do

when you get home from school and you want to eat probably some

chocolate biscuits, whatever. And the fridge being completely

empty, apart from these huge big And it was my job as a ten-year-old,

11-year-old, 12-year-old, 13-year-old, to go down to the shops

to get the food in for the weekend And there were loads of occasions,

or similar stories. Christmas, my dad wasn't

bothered about Christmas. I was going, I remember going

through them all. The shame. The embarrassment particularly as a

teenager. The anger as well. But I always loved my dad and he always

loved me. And we were lucky, he was never violent and never abusive.

There are millions of children or hundreds of thousands of children

who are not in that lucky situation. Great social change requires

three things, I think. It requires long-term political

will, it requires nonpartisan And I've heard all

three of those today. And I hope that each member who has

spoken here today will continue to work with me as we fight

on to tackle this social injustice. That was the health Minister moved

to tears by what Jon Ashworth had to say.

And here to share their experiences of growing up with a parent

who abused drugs and alcohol is 29-year-old Josh Connolly,

whose dad was an alcoholic and died when he was nine.

25-year-old Jade Bailey, whose father was addicted to drugs

21-year-old Sarah, in Liverpool, whose father is an alcoholic.

We're not using her surname to protect his identity.

Thank you for talking to us today. I imagine this is really difficult.

Josh, your dad died when you were nine. What are your memories of your

childhood? To be honest because I guess because of how traumatic a lot

of it was. It's difficult for me to recall like proper sort of visual

memories of the things that went on. I tend to only really remember a lot

of the bad things. And also the feelings. That's what stayed with me

all my life and that's still tan jable today the way that my dad's

drinking and everything that comes with that made me feel. So what was

normal for you? Give us a sense of what a normal day would be like

around your dad. My dad was a chaotic alcoholic. So with my dad

you never knew what he was going to get from one day to the next. I will

give you an example. It was a heatwave one summer and we had gone

to a park and it was jam-packed full of people and my dad was drinking

from cans and was visibly drunk and it was midday and he was walking

along urinating as he walked and I can remember like a six or

seven-year-old boy walking five or ten yards in front of him, but

feeling a deep sense of shame, but also guilt that I couldn't stand

next to my dad in alliance and to protect my dad and then anger, anger

at everybody looking and the shame that it was making me feel, but the

anger was never directed towards my dad in my case, I directed it

outwards. So I grew up with quite a strong sort of dislike to the rest

of the world really. Jade, your mum and dad split up when

you were quite little, didn't they? Yes. I know you saw your dad at

weekends, but from the age of six he used to take drugs around you? Well,

it's probably from the age I don't even remember. Really. My mum never

knew. When I used to go there on the weekends, him and his friends, it

was a little flat and him and his friends used to take drugs around me

and call it their medicine and I knew, I knew, it was never right and

it was never a medicine. I remember them going into the bathroom and I

can picture it now going into the bathroom and doing it and coming out

and them all being off their face and I would just go upstairs to the

hairdresser's which atamped to the flat. My dad was a DJ and I would

listen to the DJ music that he had. What sort of drugs was he talking?

He started on the basics. Well, I say the basics, but so you've got

weed and ecstasy and things like that and then he went on to heroin.

When he went on to heroin I was about ten years old. And he was a

mess. I mean our fun time on a weekend, and I hate to admit it, our

fun time at the weekend was going to the skip and trying to find toys. I

thought it was amazing. My dad was always my hero and if anything, he

always will be because he made me how I am now so after I eventually

told my mum, my dad takes this medicine with his friends she knew

what was going and didn't stop contact, I could always speak to him

if I wanted to, but it was sparse on his part. I always kind of had to

make the effort, but I didn't spend time at his house anymore. What does

it do to you as a child so young six or younger, seeing your dad doing

that and understanding that it's not right? The reason why I begun to

speak out about it is because I've never had one answer made by him. I

never had that question answered by him and it is why was I not enough

to make you stop? Why as a child do you not love me enough to stop and

to be my dad? Because he knew how much I adored him and I knew he

adored me. I knew that I was the only thing that he cared about in

his life apart from the drug. I knew I was everything to him and he was

to me. Which is why it was so hard for my mum and she was incredible.

They were only 16 when they had me. So she completely, we grew up

together if anything and it's, it makes you feel very alone like

you're not enough, and abandoned by them, but you love them so much that

you just can't, you can't ever leave them no matter what they do, you

know that they're sick. It's not that they, not that they're weak.

Not that they're, he wasn't a bad man. He was just very, very sick.

With the addiction and unfortunately that fled on to me, but it made me a

better person today which is strange to say, but I'm antidrug. I speak

out to a lot of younger people who are going through it and help them

through the process as well and it's just, I'm a little less emotional

now. I don't really have many emotions. I feel like I'm very numb

from my younger years, but I'm a stronger person for it. As you're

talking I can see that Josh is nodding away and I want to bring in

Sarah as well. Sarah you're listening to Josh and to Jade. Do

you see similarities in their stories with what you've been

through? Yeah, definitely, especially Jade's. I agree with it

and it makes you a stronger person and more braver and resill zant to

life challenges. Your dad is an alcoholic. Explain what your

childhood was like. Well, in my early years it was more happy

memories of my dad because he brought me up so it kind of made it

harder when he turned to alcohol because I couldn't understand why he

turned to alcohol. And then it made me more hard tore walk away because

I missed the old dad he was. So I would have to look after him when I

came home from school and I kind of always wish, I wanted the old dad

back, the one that he was when I was little. How hard was it for you to

be collecting him from the pub after he was drinking or getting him out

of bed to go to work when you're just a child? I found it quite

embarrassing. So I think that's why I never told anyone. And it would

always, sometimes he wouldn't come home from the pub or I would be

waiting up all night for him to get home because I could never sleep

unless I knew he was home safe and then I would always be tired getting

up for school. So it was quite emotionally and mentally draining

for a kid to have to go through that. You talked about the emotion

of it and the embarrassment which is something that I have not really

thought about. My dad, because obviously, I went to school in the

area where he lived. I didn't live in the same area and he used to,

when he was high on the drugs, he used to use my name against people.

He would say, my daughter Jade will beat you up when you get to school.

I used to have girls come up to me at school ready to fight saying your

dad is going around telling everyone and they all knew he was a drug

addict. They all knew what he was doing. So without me, my closest

friends know about my situation, but they don't know in detail. It is

only in the last couple of months that I've spoken out at all. So, if

anything, he told people more than I did because he put me in that

position. So when you've, when you're 13 years old and girls are

coming up wanting to fight because your dad who you barely see is

putting your name out there that you're going to attack them. I

wouldn't attack anyone. It wasn't the greatest feeling. I was ashamed

that he would do that to me. It broke my heart at the same time that

he would put me in danger. Yet you say you love him. I want to bring in

Jon Ashworth MP. We have had a tweet from Pamela saying this story

brought me to tears. How brave is Jon for sharing this moving story.

Jon, it must have been difficult for you to stand up in the Commons and

talk about this. It was very difficult and it is more difficult

listening to it because as I'm listening to it, there is huge part

of me feeling like I betrayed my dad and I shouldn't have said what I

said. It's very difficult. Part of me is regretting saying it. But

another part of my thinks we have got to speak out because there is

too many children who are suffering in silence because they've got a

parent who abuses alcohol or drugs and it is something that we've not

really talked about as a society before. We've not really put in

place the measures to support them. When I listen back to the speech

just now, there is part of me feeling very guilty about speaking

out, there is another part of me thinking I have got a job with

responsibility now and I want to do something with that job and if I can

make a difference for children of alcoholics then at least I've done

something important in life. Jon, if it helps you, Jade and Josh in the

studio are nodding when you were talking about feeling that you'd let

your dad down, betrayed him in some way, but of course, ut haven't and

you've clearly succeeded in life. You have been successful. What

impact did the way your dad behave have on you? Did you make you

stronger? Well, I mean, who knows? I will leave that to the

psychologists. You must have an idea of the way it impacted on you? It

made me determined in life to do things. My dad was never violent. He

was never abusive. If anything, the problem with my dad's drinking was,

everybody liked him. Everybody thought he was funny, good company,

you know, what a laugh, good old John Ash, nobody saw it as a

problem, isn't he great fun when he had a drink? Yes, he was great fun,

but I was the person who had to pick it all up or sort things out and it

ebbed and flowed throughout my childhood years. Sometimes it was

very bad. Sometimes it was manageable, but I suppose I think it

made me determined. It made me want to change things in life. I was

lucky. He was never violent, abusive, he was never horrible to

people. He was a sort of a happy drunk if you like, but in some ways,

that made him want to drink more because people liked him when he was

drunk if you know what I mean? You said before that you would not

take drugs, I wonder what it did to you, Sarah, what is your

relationship to drink and drugs? I always feel nervous when I am around

drunk people so I tend not to drink too much because it reminds me of

looking after my dad and the embarrassment and shame and sadness

so I try to stay away from it. For me it was slightly different to the

others who have spoken, I went on to have troubles with alcohol myself. I

think it's important to recognise the different roles children take on

within the family, often children become the caregivers. There were

three of us kids in our family and I became the mask and within the

family, so I found my place in life by trying to make others happy, I

always wanted to make sure my mum was OK so I kind of active the clown

and that was where I found my place in life. -- acted the clown. It

became a co-dependency thing. I wanted more than anything do not

become an alcoholic. But for me when I was 12 or 13 and I found alcohol

it became the perfect escape route, it really worked, to some degree, it

gave me the escape that I needed. I was never really able to look after

my dad or do anything like that. So I kind of felt lost in the world so

at school I am acting in the clown and at home trying to be the best me

so alcohol gave me an escape from that. Thank you so much for coming

in, all of you. It is very, very hard to be so open so we really

appreciate that. And by the way at last night's

Baftas, the actor Casey Affleck spoke about his experience of having

a parent who struggled with alcohol when he picked up his award

for Best Actor for his role The reason that I act,

it's because when I was a young kid, my mother would take me

to the Al-Anon meetings And there would be lots of kids

there and they would re-enact the person at their home

who they were trying to understand. It was therapy, but it was

acting, and it was... And acting has sort of been

that for me ever since. More on the BAFTAs

later in the programme. If you're affected by alcoholism

or addiction, you can find a list of charaties which may be able

to help on the BBC's Action Line. Now the weather with Carol. Today is

windy in the West, especially the coasts of Wales and the south-west,

severe gales, maybe some transport disruption. A little sunshine coming

through across most of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, down the

coast of Scotland and east coast of England we will keep the cloud and

despite temperatures in double figures it will feel cold wherever

you are. I'm Chloe Tilley, in for

Victoria Derbyshire. The Ministry of Justice says it is

investigating allegations of security failings that a privately

run prison in north-eastern England as BBC undercover filming reveals a

world of violence and drugs were the prisoners are in charge.

In the next few minutes we will speak to a former prisoner who says

85% of people in the prison he was then what on the drug spice.

The children of a terminally ill couple who died of cancer

within days of each other have shared this photograph of their

We will speak to a family friend, later.

And Adele cleans up the main awards at the Grammys and gets teary

Winning this feels like coming full circle, I feel a bit of me has come

back, I feel I cannot accept this award, for me, the Lemonade album

was so monumental. A BBC investigation has found

evidence of major security failings at a privately run prison

in the North East of England. Panorama filmed undercover

at the jail in Morpeth and discovered a number of problems,

including inmates using drugs. Sodexo, who run the prison says

the safety of staff and inmates The Ministry of Justice says it

will investigate the footage and the government is committed

to reforming prisons. I cannot react the way I want to

because there is not back up there Britain's biggest supermarket,

Tesco, has promised action after a BBC investigation

revealed two-thirds of deals on the shelves were out of date,

and didn't work at the checkout. Over three months, a team from BBC

Inside Out visited 50 branches of Tesco across England

and found multi-buy deals still being advertised days,

weeks and in some cases months after the deductions were no

longer valid at the till. The supermarket says

it's working to make A man from Bury in Greater

Manchester has been charged with an offence under

the Explosive Substances Act aftera suspicious package was found

at an airport. 43-year-old Nadeem Muhammed

is accused of making It follows the discovery

of a suspicious package The body that approves church law,

the General Synod of the Church Much of the debate is likely

to centre on the clergy's response to a report on gay marriage,

which upholds a traditional definition of marriage

as being between a man and a woman. A group of retired bishops have

written an open letter, accusing the Church of ignoring

the views of gay Christians. Parents have told this programme

they were conned out of thousands of pounds by an organisation that

claimed it could win The Parents' Voice London

is a service that provided Mckenzie Friends are

people who generally but provide support for those

going through the family courts. The company charged

for their services. There are now calls

for this to be regulated. Firefighters in Australia

are still battling around 100 Several homes and trees

have been destroyed, but so far there are no reports

of any casualties. Australia has been experiencing

a record heatwave with temperatures as high as 47 degrees -

forecasters are warning conditions could become dangerous again

by the end of the week. Hollywood musical La La Land

dominated this year's Baftas The film won five trophies in all,

including best film and best actress There were also awards for the film

Lion, including best supporting Ken Loach's I, Daniel Blake

was named outstanding British film. Casey Affleck was named best actor

for Manchester by the Sea, and Viola Davis won best supporting

actress prize for Fences. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. Joe Root is expected to be named

England's test captain today, the Yorkshire batsman would succeed

Alastair Cook, was captain for more than four years. Freddie Flintoff

says Root is the obvious choice. You have to say Joe Root is probably the

only candidate, the way he plays and the way he goes about his business

you would imagine will lead itself to being a great captain. Look at

Virat Kohli for India. Joe Root is in the same class as a player and a

similar person so he would get my backing every time. Official figures

show that 39% of players who played in the English football league last

season were not officially tested for doping. Samples were taken from

players appearing in the league in the last season, the Football

Association say they have prioritised the anti-doping

programme at the elite end. Claudio Ranieri says he may need to change

things at Leicester, the Premier League champions facing relegation

battle following their defeat to Swansea. This volley gave the home

side the lead. Just before half-time Swansea added a second. And this win

the for Swansea moves them up to 15th in the table but it is a fifth

defeat in a row for Leicester. After the match Claudio Ranieri was asked

if he had been too loyal to his title winning players. Could be. Of

course, it is difficult, when you achieve something so good, you want

to give them one chance, two chances, three chances, maybe now is

too much. Chelsea ten points clear at the top of the Premier League but

only managed a draw at Burnley. It took just seven minutes for Chelsea

to take the lead, Pedro with the opener. But then look at there is a

brilliant free kick from Burnley's new signing, Robbie Brady, levelling

the game at 1-1. I don't know, it's not important for me. One more point

in the table. It's the most important thing. One point, two

points coming in the feature you can see this. Rangers into the last

eight of the Scottish cup after coming from behind to beat Greenock

Morton 2-1. Martyn Waghorn won and for Rangers in their first match

after the departure of Mark Warburton, their manager, last week.

And in the six Nations Scotland were narrowly beaten by France in Paris,

their tenth successive defeat in the French capital. Scotland twice went

ahead through tries from Stuart hog and this one from Tim Swinson. But

five penalties from Lopez did the damage with France holding on to

win, 22-16. England on the only unbeaten side in the tournament. The

headlines at 1030. Chloe. Thanks, Will.

Widespread drug use, a lack of control, door

alarms that don't go off, a hole in an internal security

fence, prisoners possibly sneaking out to collect drugs or other

contraband thrown over the perimeter fence,

inmates incapacitated by drugs, threatening staff....and in one

particularly disturbing scene - a prison officer having convulsions

on the floor after accidentally inhaling spice, a cheap and stronger

That's what the BBC discovered when it carried out secret filming

So does that reflect what goes on in jails across the country?

We can speak now to James Bell, who has been in and out

of prison for 26 years - he was last inside in April,

and was addicted to Spice on his last two times in prison.

James Parker is from the Rehabilitation for

And David, who spent more than 20 years working as a prison officer

and has seen first-hand what happens to people who take the drug.

He doesn't want us to use his surname.

Also we can speak to Bill, who has got in touch, he is a viewer who has

been in and out of prison for most of his life and was lost inside

prison just over three months ago. Thank you all for coming to talk to

us. I want to speak to Bill first, if we can. You were last in prison

three months ago. What was it like them, compared to the last time you

were in prison which I understand was a number of years ago? I started

prison in 1976 right up to 2006, I've spent 26 years of my life in

most prisons in the country, I was in Strangeways and everything. I

stayed out for ten years but I lapsed and I ended up back in

Rochester prison. And it traumatised me.

The staff were so overworked and under staffed and they don't control

the prison. The prisoners control the prison. Spice is rife. Drones

are the main cause of drugs coming into prisons and it is a very

different environment than what it was in the 70s and 80s and 90s. It

actually acts as a deterrent never to go back to prison. It is

horrendous. There is a back of positive activities for the inmates

to do due to staff shortages. There is a lack of therapy due to staff

shortages. There is a lack of lock-in due to staff shortages. And

I can't see any way for it changing unless the Government really pull

their finger out, you know, and do something and reform the prisons. I

can emphasise, I think it was James on there, I tried spice once and I'd

never go near the stuff again. It is horrendous stuff. Bill explain to

people who have heard of spice, but don't know what it does to you. What

effect did it have on you? I smoked cannabis for 41 years and I gave it

up two years ago of the but spice, they advertise it as an alternative

to cannabis, but it is nothing like cannabis. I believe it is made from

fish. I took three dregs and I thought I was going to have a heart

attack. I started sweating and I felt really ill. I thought there was

no way I'm doing that again. I tried it once. It was Christmas and I'd

never do it again. I have seen people change from being positive,

fit, healthy, good looking to like, you know, grey, white shells who

become extremely violent if they haven't got it. I think it is like

crack. I call it green crack because it is so addictive and a lot of

prisoners are running around to get it. The reason they are getting it

because there is nothing for them to do. Sometimes you're locked up for

23 hours a day and it makes you angry and frustrated. I have seen

some people, they have been on spice and they get involved in therapy

things and they change. And they go to work and they change. But because

of the under staffing and I think, no, listen, years ago, I fought

prison officers, it was us and them, but now I sympathize with the prison

officers because they're losing control. Nobody above them is

listening and I feel sorry for them and I've noticed while I was in

Rochester there is a lot of young prison officers starting, but within

three months they'd leave because they couldn't cope with the job.

They would come in thinking they were going to do some good and help

prisoners reform. I want to bring in James. You mentioned James Bell and

he was talking about you used spice. Can you identify with what Bill was

saying, the effect it has on you? Totally. I think Bill hit the nail

on the head just how prison has changed over the years. I remember

in the 90s it was different. There was still a drug problem, it is just

that things have got more chaotic and the drugs have changed. Again,

staff shortages. You know, all these elements are just creating more

problems. For me personally, my experience of spice was to pass the

time, you know, because I battled addiction for 25 years that was all

I knew, drugs. And prison to me was just an occupational hazard really

and that was a way of making money in prison, you know, using drugs,

using spice, selling spice, and I think that's the mentality now of

the prison system where people who are in prison and for the first

time, you know, I have been clean now for under a year. So, but again,

it was the staff shortages because I wanted help. I went into prison the

last time and it was like wow, this is chaos. So halfs it like? Give us

an idea of an average day on your wing in prison? Average day. Pretty

mundane really. You're up for breakfast. If you're going to

education, again, which is one day and I have done it that many times

over the years, I'd stop listening or people just weren't participating

in the education and it was basic so it became bored. If I was let out my

cell, if not, I would be banged up for 23 hours a day just watching TV

so I wanted something to talk me away from that. It is that escapism?

For me, it was. David was a prison officer for 24 years and left over a

year ago. What Bill and James are telling us is effectively prisoners

are running prisons. There are not enough prison officers there and it

is out of control. Do colleagues agree with that? Absolutely, yes,

100%. I started 24 years ago and we would have four members of staff on

a landing. Now you're lucky if there is one. So, I speak to one of my

friends and he's telling me they're unlocking the wing that I used to

work on with four members of staff to unlock 200 prisoners. It's

frightening. Some people will be watching thinking how on earth,

James has already said, 85% of people he believes at the jail he

was in, were on spice. How is that quantity getting into prison? It

comes over the wall. It comes in through parcels. It comes in hidden,

secreted in prisoners. And the prison officers know this, but are

simply overwhelmed and can't do anything about it? The cuts in the

staffing have changed the searching policies. They do get very good

results with target searching. There is no random searching anymore. Or

there wasn't when I was there. It is slowly, slowly being eroded and

yeah, I agree with the two other guys. The prisoners are taking

control of the prisons. James, I want to bring you in. Is

this simply about numbers of prison officers? We've got a former prison

officer there and we have heard from two former inmates saying this is

about numbers. Do you think it is about numbers or is it more than

that? Lack of numbers, as a charity that runs drug and alcohol treatment

services we can't have our services properly enabled so for instance the

experience that James had, even if he was in a prison that offered a

treatment programme there isn't the officers there to unlock everybody

so they can participate in the rehabilitation side of prison. Lots

of prisoners look for help. If we haven't got the resources there to

enable the services, the security, the safety that's there, then as a

provider of those services you just get incredibly frustrated and you

feel the frustration for the people that you're commissioned to help. We

are commissioned to help people like James when he was in prison and I

think that's where the whole system needs to review what are we trying

to do with prisons the moment? Are we actually looking at what bill

tation and rehabilitation so people can change their lives which is our

whole focus. Some prisoners in their education if you like, the way to be

rehabilitated was to colour this Pepa Pig. Is that unusual? No. Not

at all. Or playing cards. That's what we did because again, the staff

shortages and I think you go through it that many times. Prison is like a

revolving door for a lot of prisoners. It is the same like

programme all the time of education. There needs to be rehabilitation and

recovery wings and the support really, but it is all the different

services in the system which are running from cuts and shortages so

then we miss out. The ones who do want to change. I wanted to change.

And have done so congratulationsment you turned your life around for the

last year. Thank you so much all of you for coming in.

You can see that Panorama in full tonight at 8.30pm on BBC One

Adele stole the show at the Grammy's overnight -

not just for her stunning performance and haul of awards -

but also for having to stop her performance as she paid tribute

It's the second time she's faced technical hitches whilst

I know it's live TV, I'm sorry, I need to start again.

I'm sorry for swearing and I'm sorry for starting again.

I'm sorry, I can't mess this up for him.

Her second attempt was, of course, flawless,

and received a standing ovation from the audience

at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles.

She went on to win five - count them - five Grammys,

but said Beyonce should have won album of the year over her.

Producers Danger Mouse, Samuel Dickson...

My artist of my life is Beyonce and this album, for

me, the Lemonade album, was just so monumental.

And the way that you may me and my friends feel,

the way you make my black friends feel, is empowering,

and you make them stand up for themselves and I love you.

There is a curse that will be broken.

My intention for the film and album was to create a body of work that

would give a voice to our pain, our struggles, our darkness and our

To confront issues that make us uncomfortable.

I just want to thank President Agent Orange

for perpetuating all of the evil that you have perpetuated

Shout outs to every independent artist out there.

Shout outs to Soundcloud for holding me down.

That was Chicago's Chance the Rapper, who won three Grammys,

By the way, this is Gnarls Barkley singer CeeLo Green, who you'll

know for his song Crazy, as he arrived at the Grammys last

night in a particularly crazy outfit - part Tin Man,

And, of course, it was also the BATFAs last night.

La La land, the Hollywood musical, was the big winner with five awards,

including best film and best actress for Emma Stone.

When I was a young kid, my mother would

take me to the Al-Anon meetings for children of alcoholics

and there would be lots of kids there and they would re-enact the

person at their home who they were trying to understand.

It was therapy, but it was acting, and it

And acting has sort of been that the ever since.

They can entertain, they can terrify, they can take us

to worlds of the imagination, they can make us laugh and they can tell

something about the real world we live in.

August answers that question so brilliantly.

Because what he did is he said that our

that lives mattered as African Americans.

And the BAFTA goes to Dev Patel for Lion.

Please welcome to the stage Mel Brooks.

I think BAFTA has made good choices to diet, especially me.

I want to apologise to the Duke and the Duchess and Prince Philip

There is the costume! I'm guessing it is a mask. I'm guessing he just

wanted us to talk about it. I guess he has succeeded.

Let's get some analysis of all of last night's celebrity

news with Hollywood journalist Jeanne Wolf, who watched

every second of last night's Grammy awards.

Let's talk about Adele. I saw things on Twitter saying she had actually

split her award in half. Is that true? It is true. Here is what

happens. Once you win the award and we saw when she won that third award

how flustered she was and how she almost wanted to give it over to

Beyonce and she said she wished she hadn't won it. When you finish, you

go backstage and they take photographs of you and you go to the

press room and in the press room she appeared with her Grammy in two

pieces saying, "This has to go to Beyonce. Album of the year was Lemon

in aid." She just felt very funny about it. Of course, she accepted

it. Five years ago, she won the five big awards at the Grammys and now,

with the album 25, she has done it again.

Do we know if Beyonce took the bit of the award that she snapped off?

Well, I think we'll read all about that in the morning! I'm sure

they'll meet up at parties if Beyonce in her condition feels like

going dancing! But in any case, no Adele wanted to make a very public,

very talked about gesture. Talking about Beyonce of course, in her

condition, she is several months pregnant. She sat on a chair and it

went back in one of he amazing performances. It was incredible.

Tell us about the other big winners of the night.

You will read the full list of winners, the once people are talking

about our Dell and Beyonce. The others were evenly spread around and

there was a lot of talk about how political the night would be and how

the performances would be, there were tributes and performances,

winners all over the place. There is a two our show before the show goes

on air, so many awards are given out that night. Beyonce did win a couple

of Grammy awards but when it came to the big ones, it was all Adele. You

know that she started singing her tribute song to George Michael and

felt that she was off key, said a swear word, apologised more than you

would expect from an artist, and Sergei had to start again, and when

she did she was amazing. So all the conversation today, everyone else is

eclipsed, in their own minds, you will have heard the speech is, it

takes a lot to stick to being a musician. Your pride in your music,

and the music industry puts barriers at every point. And she is a mother,

she does this all with a child. They you for speaking to us.

Legendary director Ken Loach picked up the award for Best British film

for I, Daniel Blake, about the UK's welfare system.

You can see our exclusive interview with him last

week on the programme page - bbc.co.uk/victoria.

We are a little late again, but here is Ben with the news. Thank you. A

BBC investigation has found major security failings at a privately run

prison in north-east England, panorama found a number of problems

including inmates using drugs, the organisation that runs the prison

says safety is as priority. The Ministry of Justice is to

investigate the footage and says the government is committed to reforming

prisons. The Co-op bank is up for sale. It has over 4 million

customers but almost collapsed in 2013 after financial problems. Since

then it has been run by private investment companies who say they

have now made considerable progress in turning the business around.

Almost 200,000 people in Northern California are being evacuated from

their homes after the tallest dam in the USA was weakened by heavy

rainfall. Officials feared the Oroville dam could be about to

collapse after a giant hole developed in the overflow channel.

Crews using helicopters have dropped rocks to fill the hole in the

spillway and the excess water has stopped flowing. That's the latest

news. Join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11am. Now the sport with Will.

Breaking news, it has been confirmed that Joe Root will be named

England's test captain at 11am. The Yorkshire batsman will succeed

Alastair Cook who resigned after more than four years in charge last

week. A press conference will be held at Headingley on Wednesday.

Official figures today show that 39% of players in the English football

league last season were not drugs tested by UK anti-doping.

The FA say it prioritised its anti-doping programme at the elite

end. Claudio Ranieri says he may have been too loyal to his Leicester

players with Ed Premier League title defence now a relegation battle,

they one point above the bottom three after losing yesterday at

Swansea. France beat Scotland 22-16 in the six Nations, the tenth time

in a row Scotland have lost in Paris. England on the only unbeaten

side in the tournament after two games. More news on the BBC News

channel throughout the day. You. Parents have told this programme

they were conned out of thousands of pounds by an organisation that

claimed it could win The Parents' Voice London offered

McKenzie Friend services. They're people who generally aren't

legally trained and are meant to provide support for those

going through the family courts. Two of the company's directors,

David Bright and Claire Mann, were jailed last year for perverting

the course of justice. There are now calls for regulations

of McKenzie Friends. We can speak to Amanda MacPherson, herself a

McKenzie Friend charges clients, and Derek Sweeting QC from the bar

Council which represents barristers in England and Wales.

People may not know who McKenzie Friends R. They are helping people

who go through any court and represent themselves, they have

chosen to do away with traditional representation, perhaps because of

cost or perhaps because they choose to speak for themselves. And you do

what, fill-in forms? Yes, McKenzie Friends will complete forms for

parents, will take them through the process, often give them more

support than a solicitor would, and can attend court with them and sit

beside them, often not able to speak directly to the court or to the

judge, but sometimes given permission to do that. What are you

charging? Most of the advice I give, in fact all the advice I give is

free. I don't charge a penny for advising throughout the case. But I

do charge for its direct work. 45p an hour is my rate. And expenses

like travel which is half my hourly rate. Which is a fraction of the

cost that parents would incur through a solicitor or a barrister.

Derek, what are your concerns with McKenzie Friends services? This is

an area of operation caused by the withdrawal of legal aid and what you

are getting is someone who people don't appreciate is not regulated,

that means no training, no knowledge of the law, not insured, no redress

if things go wrong you can't report them to the legal ombudsman, there

is no regulator and you are not getting anyone who can stand up and

speak for you in court. That is a misconception. And often, when they

do charge, not all McKenzie Friends tube and when they do they sometimes

charge similar amounts to what a barrister or solicitor would charge.

Do you have any qualifications? I don't, I have none. Some people

might be worried by that. Of course. They may well. Anyone looking for a

McKenzie Friend should check out the person they want to use, ask them

what their experience is, ask if they can speak to clients who have

used them before and they should be absolutely confident that this

person knows what they are doing. Should there be greater regulation?

This is what we are waiting to hear. We're waiting to hear if there will

be greater regulation. Myself, I wouldn't be averse to regulation. I

think it should be done in close consultation with clients, people

looking to use McKenzie Friends, and McKenzie Friends themselves and the

judiciary. In my experience judges often welcome the assistance of a

McKenzie Friend, especially in cases where both parties are not

represented, they are on their own. What the judiciary also expressed

their reservations about is whether there ought to be paid McKenzie

Friends because this is one area where unscrupulous people like the

ones we heard about, find it easy to operate because there is no

supervision, there is no regulation. But then it helps people who don't

have much money and can't afford enormous legal bills that sometimes

people face. That is a misconception, of course there are

McKenzie Friends who are competent and experienced like Amanda and they

perform a good service for many people. But and is a misconception

to say it is so expensive that many people can't afford a lawyer. You

can instruct a barrister directly. The charges are often in the same

sort of area you would pay for a paid McKenzie Friend. And it doesn't

look convinced. That's not the case. I've had parents approach me to say

that they have had solicitors wanting ?250 to read a letter and

advise them on their next step. That's not affordable for many

people. It isn't true, parents often face many years in court, especially

when involved in protracted cases to spend time with their children and

they face thousands upon thousands of pounds which adds insult to

injury when they are not spending time with their children. These are

comments coming in. Darren says he used a McKenzie Friend and they were

brilliant. When e-mail says that they are experiencing the damage

that McKenzie Friends can do and that it led to 18 months of hell for

their family. Thank you both for coming in. You can watch our

complete report on McKenzie Friends on our website.

When you see an offer on display at the supermarket

you expect to receive it when you get to the tills.

But that wasn't happening - and now Tesco says it will check

the prices of all items in every store after an investigation found

customers were being short-changed on promotions.

An undercover reporter for BBC Inside Out was overcharged

on multi-buy offers at two-thirds of stores visited.

cases multi-buy deals were still being advertised

on the shelves months after they had expired.

Most of us are, and Tesco knows it, too.

That's why the shelves at Britain's biggest

supermarket are full of special offers.

And we all take it for granted that the

price we see on the shelf is the price we will pay at the till,

But what if things don't quite add up when you get home and

I've just bought a few bits at Tesco and I'm

sure these products were on special offer.

But according to my receipt, I've paid full price.

I've paid 60% more than the deal on the shelf.

So does this happen more often than we think?

Fergus Muirhead is a consumer journalist who says there's clearly

something wrong in the way offers have been delivered.

And Catherine Shuttleworth, is from Savvy Marketing, which works

Welcome to you all. First, Fergus, are you surprised that this is

happening? I think it has been happening for a long time. It's

quite often the case, I think, that you don't get what you think you are

getting in supermarkets. That is what it is so important to check

your receipt when you leave to make sure you paid what you thought you

were going to for the goods you bought. There is no question that

supermarkets make mistakes. I'm surprised that a number of Tesco

shops are making the mistake, it's a big number and I'm surprised it's

happening so often that it is important that as consumers we check

what we have bored when we are at the till, that the three for two or

the two-for-one offers have been priced correctly. That's all well

and good when I shop alone but when my children with me and they are

arguing and they want some chocolate and they are being annoying, or you

are an old person and you get confused by things why should it be

the responsibility of the consumer to check their receipts? I'm not

saying it is the consumer's responsibility, they have to check

and they should make sure what they have spent is right although Tesco

should take part of the blame, they've obviously got sloppy

management going on and offers that should be taken off the shelves

should be taken off because it is absolutely their responsibility and

they need to do something about it. Guy, what tactics do we need to be

aware of that supermarkets used to make us spend more? Not all offers

are good, and multi-byte offers like three for two or something that

would normally cost ?1 50 and two of them would cost ?2, if you were

going to buy two of them anyway, a good deal but often they tempted to

buy an extra product when you didn't want it. Take fresh produce, meat or

cheese which could go off. If you buy a second or third item and it

goes off because you don't have the time it's not a good deal. Much

better offers are two for one because if you were going to buy

something anyway it is free or a genuine reduction. Or if you buy

something like toothpaste which has a shelf life it does not matter if

you get an extra one. Are sometimes stocked up, the problem is where

it's going to go off. Tesco told us, "We take great care

to deliver clear and accurate price labels for our customers so they can

make informed decisions We are disappointed that errors

occurred and will be working with the stores involved

to reinforce our responsibilities It is an issue of trust, isn't it,

between massive stores, where it is hugely competitive now and the

consumer? Absolutely and Tesco will be really frustrated by this and I

would imagine that they are out checking the stores today as will be

their competitors. This isn't just something that happens in Tesco, it

will happen across the whole of the retail estate and that's important

to remember is the scale and the size of the retailers. An average

supermarket will have 60,000 individual lines and there will be

1,000 price changes a week, prices will go up as well as down and

promotions will finish and they are delivered by human beings and there

is error in there and it is important the businesses are well

run so customers can trust them. We believe that Tesco won't rip us off.

75% of us trust Tesco and this will be a worry for them today and they

will want to make sure they within the trust straight back.

Thank you for coming in and talking to us.

The full investigation can be seen in some English regions tonight

on Inside Out at 7.30pm on BBC One, and on the BBC iPlayer.

The children of a couple who died of cancer

within days have released this heartbreaking photo to show

the world how much they loved each other and were together to the end.

Tens of thousands of people living below the tallest dam

in the United States have left their homes because of fears

that an emergency overflow channel could give way.

Weeks of heavy rain and snow have left the Oroville dam

in Northern California at almost full capacity.

Engineers have been trying to release some of the water

and plug a hole in the channel by dropping rocks from helicopters.

A little earlier, authorities explained the nature

Essentially what we're looking at is approximately a 30-foot wall

of water that would be coming out of the lake.

Not the lake drained, but a 30-foot wall of water.

That is why we took the appropriate measures that we did.

And implemented the evacuation process that we had going.

In Butte County, what we're looking at is approximately 35,000 residents

Yuba County, we're looking at 65,000 underneath an evacuation order.

Yuba city, 76,000 under evacuation warning.

We can speak to two people who had to leave their homes.

Veronica Ruiv, who is one of the 70,000 people

She's travelling in a convoy of five cars with her family,

And to Xavier Goeas, who has been evacuated

He's travelling with his father and other members of family.

Veronica, are you still in your car? No, not anymore. I just made it to a

hotel. So how, are you in a safe area right now? Yes, we are in

Sacramento right now. Tell us how the authorities let you know you had

to get out and how much time you had? I found out through Facebook

through the Facebook channels of the emergency system of Yuba City and

all of our surrounding friends from the Mary's vil area who are closer

to the river which is, has been flooded before. So, they are at a

much higher risk than Yuba, the Marysvil area. Were you worried? My

brother was at the tennis courts by the river. It is at a park located

next to, where the river runs through. I was worried about him. We

got in our car and we took off the whole family and we went to him and

we picked him up and I read the official report by the National

Weather Service about how the damage to the dam could have a critical

failure or something like that in less than 60 minutes and the streets

filled with cars and they were just driving erratically and we just had

to get out of there. A sense of panic. Veronica, was it the same as

you were leaving with all the cars? Once I left the parkway of my home I