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Hello it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
Police arrest a third person in connection with | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
the apparent poisoning of Kim Jong-nam, | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
half-brother of North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un. | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
At this stage it's too early to say whether a foreign | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
South Korea says it's convinced it was North Korea but Malaysia | :00:24. | :00:31. | |
A million pensioners are not receiving the support they are | :00:32. | :00:41. | |
entitled to. We will look at what it means for those that need it. | :00:42. | :00:42. | |
And why is so hard to talk about the menopause? | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
The first time I had a hot sweat, it did take me by surprise. What is | :00:47. | :00:55. | |
that? What am I sitting on! It is like sitting on a radiator. | :00:56. | :01:05. | |
Hello. Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning. | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
We're also talking about social care this morning, after the charity Age | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
UK said hundreds of thousands of elderly and vulnerable people | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
in England are not receiving the help they need, | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
even though they are struggling with essential daily | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
tasks such as washing, eating and using toilet. | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
The charity says the system is close to collapse | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
Let us know your experiences, use the hashtag, #VictoriaLIVE | :01:30. | :01:44. | |
and if you text, you will be charged | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
Malaysian police have arrested two more people in connection | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
with the death of Kim Jong-Nam, the half-brother of North Korean | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
He died after apparently being attacked at the airport | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur earlier this week. | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
One of those arrested was a woman travelling | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
How, in a crowded airport in broad daylight, | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
Malaysian police are trying to piece together how Kim Jong-nam died | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
as he waited to board a flight at Kuala Lumpur airport. | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
These CCTV images appear to show one of the suspects. | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
Police have now arrested two women, one carrying a Vietnamese passport, | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
South Korea's spy agency believes suspected North Korean agents | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
TRANSLATION: The cause of murder seems likely to be of poison. | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
But it is to be checked precisely through autopsy. | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
Inside North Korea, thousands gathered to mark the birthday | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
of the country's late leader, while the isolated nation's | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
current ruler, Kim Jong-un, has remained silent on the death | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
Back in the Malaysian capital, North Korean officials including | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
the ambassador were seen visiting the hospital on Wednesday. | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
This is the Kim dynasty. Kim Jong-il had five children. | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
Kim Jong-nam, the eldest son, fell out of favour and lived in exile. | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
He was bypassed for leadership in favour of his youngest half-brother. | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
Despite the suspicions and speculation, it is not yet clear | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
A postmortem of the body has been completed but the results | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
Our correspondent Karishma Vaswani is in Kuala Lumpur, and earlier | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
she sent this update on the investigation. | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
The investigation has been extremely fluid, | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
with information changing pretty much by the hour. | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
This morning, we received a statement from the Royal Malaysian | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
Police, that said an Indonesian woman, a woman carrying | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
an Indonesian passport, was arrested late last night. | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
She was arrested alone and they didn't say | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
What we understand is that she was identified from the closed-circuit | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
camera footage taken from the scene of the crime. | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
This is the second arrest in this investigation so far, | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
but three days on from the death of the man believed to be Kim | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
there is still very little information about why | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
he was killed or whether it was Kim Jong-nam at all. | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
In fact, I'm standing right in front of the Kuala Lumpur hospital | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
where the body was brought for a postmortem investigation. | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
Remember, Malaysian police have said that until that | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
investigation is completed, they can't confirm the identity | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
of the man who died at the airport on Monday, or what caused the death. | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
Now we have been told that the postmortem has been | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
completed but the results of that investigation have | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
Let's go live now to Seoul in South Korea, | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
Kevin, now three arrests, and more details emerging about potentially | :04:58. | :05:10. | |
the story behind it, claims that in 2012, he had written to Kim Jong-un | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
an, begging him to spare his life after a previous assassination | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
attempt -- Kim Jong-un. The person detained was carrying an | :05:23. | :05:34. | |
Indonesian passport. But it is quite likely an investigation may head | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
towards the true identity. Earlier on, Malaysia nor authorities | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
released a photo taken from a security camera thought to be one of | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
the assailants. It is believed that it may have been a North Korean | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
agent. A colour image of a young Asian woman in heavy make-up and | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
casual clothes. Several other members thought to be part of the | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
same group are being pursued a according to local media. | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
A huge amount of interest around the world in this story, isn't there? | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
That's correct. This incident has created a frenzy of media interest | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
in the region, in China, South Korea and Japan. It is just the bit | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
bizarreness in its entirety, Malaysia and women employed as | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
assassins, and the way the murder was carried out with various | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
conflicting theories of a poisonous needle, or a liquid laced cloth, all | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
aspects of this incident has kept the public absolutely mesmerised, | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
even to the detail of what was printed on the shirt that the female | :06:43. | :06:50. | |
suspect was wearing, with the huge letters LOL, an acronym for laughing | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
out loud plastered on the front of the assailant's outfit. Everyone is | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
captivated by the story in its intrigue. | :07:02. | :07:02. | |
Thanks very much, Kevin. Ben is in the BBC Newsroom | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
with a summary of the rest More than three million people | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
could avoid getting colds and flu every year by taking Vitamin D | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
supplements according The study in the British Medical | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
Journal calls for the vitamin But Public Health England says | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
the evidence remains inconclusive. Our health correspondent | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
Dominic Hughes reports. This is what Vitamin D | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
deficiency can look like. Softened bones bowing under | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
the weight of the body. Now Researchers say Vitamin D | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
can have other benefits They argue that if everyone got | :07:34. | :07:44. | |
enough Vitamin D there would be a 10% reduction in the risk of | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
respiratory illnesses like coughs, Among those with the very lowest | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
levels of Vitamin D, the benefit is even greater - | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
a 50% reduction. And across the whole UK population, | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
that would equate to more than 3 million people avoiding | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
a cold or flu each year. At present, people are being | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
asked to take supplements in order to meet their Vitamin D requirement | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
over winter and spring, but it's expensive and a lot of | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
people won't remember able to take or remember to take | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
supplements daily. So a more effective strategy | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
is to introduce food fortification Sunlight on the skin | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
is the best source of Vitamin D but the increased use of sunscreen, | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
and our weather, means exposure We are already advised to take | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
vitamin D throughout the winter and spring months | :08:32. | :08:38. | |
to boost our levels. It can also be found in some foods, | :08:39. | :08:40. | |
like oily fish, eggs and cereals, and the US and Finland add Vitamin D | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
as a supplement to food. But some scientists here are not | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
convinced there's enough evidence that Vitamin D can prevent other | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
illnesses to justify following suit. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson later today, | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
as President Trump's The two men will be attending | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
America's foreign policy positions. President Trump has suffered another | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
set-back in his efforts to finalise His choice for Labor Secretary, | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
Andrew Puzder, has withdrawn from the nomination process | :09:33. | :09:41. | |
after several Republican senators Mr Puzder has admitted that he once | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
employed a housekeeper who wasn't legally | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
allowed to work in the US. Social care for elderly people | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England, | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with essential | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
daily tasks such as washing, Our Health Correspondent | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
Sophie Hutchinson reports. For ten years, Elaine Yates | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
has cared for her husband. They managed to get | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
some social care. But Elaine, who runs | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
a support group for carers, When Michael first | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
came into the system, it was a lot easier, | :10:21. | :10:33. | |
because we had our own care manager who grew to know us and could help | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
support us in what we needed. Today, people coming | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
into the system, they don't get that kind of support, they don't | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
get their own care manager. Today's report from Age UK | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
says that since 2010, that has been a rise of 50% | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
in the amount of elderly people The charity's particularly concerned | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
with the more than 50,000 people who struggle with three or more | :10:55. | :11:03. | |
of these activities, While social care is run | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
in different ways across the UK, cuts have meant councils in England | :11:08. | :11:17. | |
have had to reduce The Councils | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
in England have had to reduce the amount they spend | :11:22. | :11:29. | |
on social care. And Age UK says emergency funding | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
is now needed to avert a complete We're seeing the beginnings | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
of something that's That's because, if there | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
is going to be any extra money for social care, | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
it's not coming yet. Because every day we have an ageing | :11:42. | :11:42. | |
population and more people over 85 The Government says it recognises | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
the pressures on the system and is working on | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
a sustainable solution. There's now a growing expectation | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
a rescue package may be included Britain's most senior judge has | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
criticised sections of the press for their coverage of the Article 50 | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
court ruling, which said Parliament had to be consulted before | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
the formal process for leaving The President of | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
the Supreme Court, Lord Neuberger, also accused politicians of not | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
being quick enough to defend Some of the things that were said | :12:15. | :12:27. | |
risked undermining the judiciary, and unfairly undermining the | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
judiciary. And therefore, undermining the rule of law. | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
A mother and teenage son have been arrested after she allegedly | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
faked her death in Zanzibar in a bid to claim ?140,000 | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
Police said the 45-year-old woman's son and his guardian claimed she had | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
died in a car crash in East Africa and allegedly provided | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
But instead she was living in Canada. | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
The insurance company was unable to verify the woman's death, | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
refused to pay out on the policy and contacted police. | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
The Church of England says its bishops will take time | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
to reflect after the ruling general synod voted down an important | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
The clergy chose to ignore recommendations which suggested that | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
a union should only be between a man and a woman. | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
The bishops are now expected to produce a new report on the issue. | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
Hundreds of people demonstrated on the streets of Paris last night to | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
show support for a black youth worker who claims he was sexually | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
assaulted by police earlier this month. | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
There's been growing tension in some of the city's suburbs since the 22 | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
year-old was arrested a fortnight ago. | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
One police officer has been charged with rape, | :13:41. | :13:42. | |
President Francois Hollande has called for calm and for justice. | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
A state of emergency has been declared in Christchurch | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
in New Zealand as a huge wildfire continues to burn, | :13:51. | :13:52. | |
forcing hundreds of people to flee their homes. | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
The military has been deployed to help tackle the fire - | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
investigations into what caused it are continuing. | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
Now we've heard of birds, or even drones, being a danger to planes, | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
but now pilots may also have to look out for deer. | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
Pilots are taught to watch out for many dangers during take-off, | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
But one flight in North Carolina had another experience. | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
This plane was taking off from Charlotte in North Carolina | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
when it struck a deer on the runway and was forced to make | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
The surprise impact damaged one of the wings and caused | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
a fuel leakage, which saw emergency services spraying foam | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
No injuries were reported among those on board, | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
we suspect the deer was probably not so lucky. | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
Oh, dear. That is a summary of the latest BBC News, more from me later. | :14:48. | :14:57. | |
I thought we might see the deer, but thankfully, we didn't. Let me bring | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
you some comments on the menopause. We will talk about it later. Is it a | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
taboo? Is it difficult to talk about it if you are going through it? What | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
have your experiences been? Jane on Facebook says not getting the right | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
help from your local hospital on these issues is not help either. | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
Glad we can talk out about this because it is a nightmare to live | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
with. Lindsay on Facebook, I cook the bed every night and had to get | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
out to call it down or I never get back to sleep. Insomnia is also a | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
blight. Let us know your experiences of the menopause and what have you | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
found works to get through it? Kirsty Walker has made a documentary | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
on the menopause. She will join us with other women talking about their | :15:42. | :15:42. | |
experiences. Hugh, not a very good night for | :15:43. | :15:55. | |
Arsenal, I guess that puts it mildly? Yes, that is putting it | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
mildly. It is an embarrassment of epic proportions for Arsene Wenger | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
and his team. Former players, pundit, fans seem to be reaching a | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
universal view it has been a good journey but the wheels have come off | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
and it is time for a change at Arsenal. They have been knocked out | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
at the last 16 stage of the Champions League in the last six | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
seasons. After a huge 5-1 defeat last night it looks set to be | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
another early exit. Amazingly Sanchez's equaliser meant things | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
were level at half-time, there was a brief glimmer of hope for the fans | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
but they were torn apart and the capitulation compounds the pressure | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
on the boss Arsene Wenger, he is under fire, a promising title | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
challenge faltered early on, no Premier League title for 12 years | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
and lack of character was put into stark contrast, against that of the | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
Bayern team. Arsenal looking lost following an injury to their | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
captain. The goalkeeper making a few great saves. That prevented things | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
from being worse. It is the same old story for fans of the Gunners and | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
with the manager's contract coming to an end in a few month's time the | :17:11. | :17:18. | |
out calls will grow louder. After he spoke briefly to the media. The real | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
problems we faced was after the third goal, I felt, because we lost | :17:24. | :17:31. | |
our organisation, and we looked mentally very jaded, and very | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
vulnerable from that moment on wards, and after, the last 25 | :17:38. | :17:45. | |
minutes, it was a nightmare for us. After judgment came in from all | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
quarters. Martin Keown a former supporter of his former boss said it | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
was embarrassing. He called it Arsene Wenger's lowest point and on | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
Radio 5 Live they had this assessment. This is a chronicle of | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
death foretold. There is no leadership. The club have an owner | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
who is silent. He doesn't communicate with the fans, who is | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
sleepwalking towards the abyss here, you have a manager in Arsene Wenger | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
whose best days are behind him. Everyone can see that, even the | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
faithful can really see that this is a manager who has been overtaken by | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
the Contes and Klopp, you have a lack of leadership on the pitch | :18:29. | :18:38. | |
which is highlighted when cosh any. They are a laughing stork, you have | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
a manager who has lost his leadership skill, there is no Ince | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
vincible streak in the team any more or the manager. That view was | :18:48. | :18:59. | |
reflected in the newspapers, the Sun say Bay bye Arsene. They are called | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
spineless in the Mail. The pressure grows on Wenger and that sums it up. | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
Groundhog Day for the Arsenal fan, we will wait and see whether Arsene | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
Wenger is given a new contract and more time at the club. We will see. | :19:16. | :19:17. | |
We will. Thank you. The menopause is something that | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
happens to all women - And what's the best way to deal | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
with the side effects that A new documentary by Newsnight | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
presenter Kirsty Wark which airs tonight takes an unflinching look | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
at everything to do with the menopause - | :19:32. | :19:33. | |
and asks whether women have been needlessly denied hormone | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
replacement therapy for years. There is something about the word | :19:37. | :19:53. | |
that has negative connotations of ages which in our youth obsessed | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
culture can be debilitating. We are living longer, working longer and | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
menopause is a feature of midlife, it is the start of a new chapter so | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
why the taboo. It really is time for a change. | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
So sadly, our ovaries are only designed to last a certain number of | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
year, we produce egg cells up to the late 40, early 50s and by the age of | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
51 on average women are stopping having periods and the reason they | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
stop is because we run out of egg cells but the complicated thing is | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
we live for many years beyond that. So, when our ovaries are not,ing, | :20:34. | :20:41. | |
the key hormone we stop producing is oestrogen, rather than it being | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
period stops it is about the consequences of lack of oestrogen. | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
There are many aspects that women can be embarrassed to talk about. I | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
thought it would be interesting to see if I could encourage them to | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
open up on radio. Can I ask how good was it for you? | :20:58. | :21:05. | |
Not great. No great. Medically induced hysterectomy. HRT for three | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
years and then came the big boom scare, and suddenly, HRT was taboo | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
and I came off it, and actually, my symptoms have not really gone away | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
in the last ten years. What about you? I don't seem to have been | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
affected, sorry, because I know that I annoy people. That is great. You | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
are not. Virtually 100% will experience some symptoms. I do stick | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
my leg out the bed at night. Hot flushes. That is a symptom, even if | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
it is only one leg. It is only one leg. It would affect your euro | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
genital symptoms. Dryness down below, loss of libido. Look, people | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
don't want to talk about that stuff with their doctors even. What you | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
want to hear from people. You get what you ant because we have lots of | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
them. Let us speak to Nan. Good morning. How are you this morning? | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
OK but I have had a horrible, horrible night with hot flushes. | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
Does it affect you every fight? Every single night. What I would | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
like to ask is, I am 78, am I too old to go back on to HRT? You may | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
want to consider other options which can be helpful to control hot | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
flushes which we sometimes use for ladies who are not so suitable for | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
HRT. The most common treatment for | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
menopausal symptoms is hormone replacement therapy. HRT. Which | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
helps replace the oestrogen lost when our ovaries stop producing | :22:52. | :22:53. | |
eggs. It can be taken via patches or as a | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
gel or tablets. But it has been heart to work out if | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
it is wise to take it. This is due to the confusion ignited by the | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
publication of the women's health initiative study in America, back in | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
2002. The study casts serious doubts on the safety of HRT. So 2002, HRT | :23:16. | :23:24. | |
study. Cancelled over cancer and stroke fear, the Guardian HRT linked | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
to breast cancer n the male it does more harm than good. New cancer fear | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
for women taking HRT, then it is safe for millions of women. Again | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
The Express two stories. New menopause guide say one million | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
women can benefit from HRT. This is why it is all so confusing. I was | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
using HRT tablets for three years after my hysterectomy but stopped | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
suddenly, like so many women because of the scare. So in 2002 the results | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
of the women's health initiative study came out and those suggested | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
that being on HRT hugely increased your risk of breast cancer, that | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
seemed like being on it for a short period. At that time people just | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
stop taking it because of the risk. Lots without any discussion with a | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
medical professional. They stopped it cold turkey. Then people stop | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
coming to ask for it and GPs became less familiar with prescribing it | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
and got caught up in the safety issues so were probably less likely | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
to suggest it. It's a vicious circle. Yes. Subsequent research | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
suggested that the analysis of the data was flawed. That the findings | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
were overstated. But these more positive reappraisal received | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
nothing like the same publicity as the original scare. More up-to-date | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
researchers attempted to offer clarification of the risks involved. | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
So let us look at this. Back when she was in her 30s Jennifer spawned | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
sear was writing about the funny side of it. Did you go hospital? Yes | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
and the gynaecologist. I hate them, a man who can look you in the vagina | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
but never in the eye. I used that about four times. Times. Patsy has | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
ohs borrow sips. She has the lowest bone denty on record. | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
She is just gristle clinging on the bone powder. This is what happens | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
when you have the menopause. No! No! No! Good. You look at that no. I | :25:41. | :25:48. | |
know. Little did I know it was all going to happen. Yours was a | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
particular kind of menopause, what happened? Was, I got breast cancer, | :25:53. | :26:00. | |
and so I wasn't menopausal, I was still having periods, but second | :26:01. | :26:08. | |
year of chemotherapy, all your periods stop, and so you plunged | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
into it. Because you are so full of chemicals you have no idea. It is | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
like the tiniest thing. Compared to everything else. So by the time you | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
have got over the chemicals and you are on tamoxifen which gets rid of | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
your oestrogen, you can't tell the difference, you know know what is | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
coming out of chemo and what is menopause, and it wasn't until I | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
think about a year after, that I started to feel like, this isn't, | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
this doesn't feel right. This feels different. It changes your | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
metabolism, you energy levels, your skin, your hair, everything. I mean | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
it was quite astonishing. How did you deal with it? I don't know. I | :26:51. | :26:58. | |
drank! No... I had a large glass of champagne. And got on with it. I | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
think you get on with it. One of -- what are your #1i78 Toms now? Mine | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
are night sweats and bad sleep patterns. I have had a good, I am | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
very good at sleeping. Lucky you. I am very good at sleeping, but the | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
first time I had a hot sweat, it did take my by surprise, I kept going, | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
what's that. What am I sitting on? Am I sitting, it felt like sitting | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
on a radiator. I was looking round going is everyone else? No, they are | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
not, they are not hot like me. Do you feel different postmenopausele | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
as to how you were before? Is that tied up in the breast cancer? No, I | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
don't really think about the breast cancer. But I think, yes, I think, | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
it happens and all of the things I used to make jokes about are so | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
true. You know, just your place in the world and how you feel about | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
yourself, your general feeling of sexiness and libido, and, and... It | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
is an indefinable something that you don't have any more. But for me I | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
feel, I feel completely able to do what I want to do. | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
In in years past women have often been written off after a certain age | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
when work and child rearing are at an end. But in the early 21st | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
century, when the average life expectancy for women is now 81, how | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
can we best approach this next stage? | :28:31. | :28:41. | |
Later in the programme, we will be joined by Kirstie and group of other | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
women to talk about their experiences and Sheila has tweeted | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
to say I am 72. I have night sweats every two hours every night. Hence | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
sleep disturbed every night. Doctors responses have been unhelpful. Laura | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
says I had a pretty easy menopause, I read somewhere that sweet potato | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
and so I helped so maybe that did help. I did have hot flushes, | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
sometimes was a bit dippy, finding any good was a nightmare and most | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
women were on denial. Knew people on HRT but whip they came have been | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
unhelpful. Laura says I had a pretty easy menopause, I read somewhere | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
that sweet potato and so I helped so maybe that did help. I did have hot | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
flushes, sometimes was a bit dippy, finding any good was a nightmare and | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
most women were on denial. Knew people on HRT but whip they came off | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
had a menopause. "It makes life difficult. I have been suffering for | :29:34. | :29:35. | |
four to five years. Not just hot flushes, brain delay, awful, | :29:36. | :29:37. | |
continually fighting to find the right thing for me on a folic acid | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
trial at present." Nightmare and most women were on denial. Knew | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
people on HRT but whip they came off had a menopause. "It makes life | :29:44. | :29:45. | |
difficult. I have been suffering for four to five years. Not just hot | :29:46. | :29:47. | |
flushes, brain delay, awful, continually fighting to find the | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
right thing for me on a folic acid trial at present." Michelle says "I | :29:51. | :29:52. | |
have just finished a FIA year course of tamoxifen which forces your body | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
through the menopause, I had cramp and was stuck on the stair, my hot | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
sweats have had my in a panic I have to move quickly to open air. Even my | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
specs steam up. I found I was unable to drink alcohol. Not a nice | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
experience for FIA years of my life." Keep them coming in and we | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
will talk about it later on on the programme. Also comes up claims that | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
more than one million pensioners are not receiving the support they are | :30:11. | :30:13. | |
entitled to. Britain's youngest ever lottery | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
winner Jane Parks tells us why winning a million at 17 has | :30:19. | :30:20. | |
ruined her life. It's 9:30. | :30:21. | :30:30. | |
Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom Malaysian police have arrested | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
two more people in connection with the death of Kim Jong-Nam, | :30:33. | :30:39. | |
the half-brother of North Korean He died after apparently | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
being attacked at the airport in the Malaysian capital | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
Kuala Lumpur earlier this week. One of those arrested | :30:46. | :30:47. | |
was a woman travelling More than three million people | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
could avoid getting colds and flu every year by taking | :30:50. | :31:00. | |
Vitamin D supplements The study in the British Medical | :31:01. | :31:02. | |
Journal calls for the vitamin But Public Health England says | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
the evidence remains inconclusive. Our health correspondent | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
Dominic Hughes reports. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :31:10. | :31:17. | |
will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson later today, | :31:18. | :31:24. | |
for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed | :31:25. | :31:26. | |
as President Trump's The two men will be attending | :31:27. | :31:28. | |
a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting | :31:32. | :31:38. | |
message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in America's | :31:39. | :31:40. | |
foreign policy positions. Social care for elderly people | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England, | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with essential | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
daily tasks such as washing, A mother and her teenage son have | :32:00. | :32:01. | |
been arrested after she allegedly faked her death in Zanzibar | :32:02. | :32:15. | |
in an attempt to claim Police said the 45-year-old woman's | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
son and his guardian claimed she had died in a car crash in East Africa | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
and allegedly provided But instead, | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
she was living in Canada. The insurance company was unable | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
to verify the woman's death, refused to pay out on the policy | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
and contacted police. That's a summary of the latest news. | :32:32. | :32:44. | |
More from me at 10am. Let's catch up with the sport. | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
Arsenal's Champions League hopes lie in tatters at the last 16 stagette | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
again. It follows a 5-1 first leg flashing at Bayern Munich. | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
Afterwards, manager Arsene Wenger looking concerned, calling it a | :32:59. | :33:08. | |
night men. Real Madrid beat Napoli in the other game. Craig Lawton will | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
miss the rest of the six Nations Rugby union after an ankle injury he | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
picked up against France at the weekend. And it was a great day for | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
the 15-year-old Jackson page at the Welsh open snooker. He beat Ashley, | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
meeting the GCSE student gets another couple more days off school. | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
I will be back just after 10am. Britain's youngest ever lottery | :33:34. | :33:59. | |
winner says she thought her million pound win would make her life | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
ten times better. Instead, she says, it's | :34:02. | :34:03. | |
made it ten times worse. Jane Parks was just 17 and living | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
with her mum in a two-bedroom flat in Edinburgh when she scooped | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
the Euromillions prize 4 years ago. She says she's felt overwhelmed | :34:10. | :34:11. | |
by the win and thinks her life would have been so much | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
better without it. After winning in 2013, | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
a documentary was made which followed her first year | :34:17. | :34:18. | |
as a millionaire. It could've been | :34:19. | :34:20. | |
any of these people. But on 28th July, 2013, | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
I was the lucky one. I was standing outside | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
the shop, so I went back in. And then I just asked | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
for a lucky dip. Me and none of my pals | :34:30. | :34:31. | |
buy lottery tickets, so... OK, that's coming up, that one. | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
Congratulations, ?1 million. Are you joking me? | :34:35. | :34:44. | |
No, I can see it here on the screen. Then they wanted me | :34:45. | :34:47. | |
to go to like New York Whereas we're like, let's put some | :34:48. | :34:54. | |
money in the bank and invest it. No, I would have it | :34:55. | :35:03. | |
spent before thinking. I'm so bad. | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
They wouldn't care about the future. They would be like, "Right, let's | :35:06. | :35:07. | |
just spend it while we're young". That's like giving | :35:08. | :35:25. | |
somebody a gun, eh? She was sitting here, | :35:26. | :35:36. | |
where I'm sitting now, crying. Money can't buy happiness, | :35:37. | :35:38. | |
but it can buy a jet ski and have you ever seen | :35:39. | :35:54. | |
someone being sad on a jet ski? Money can't bring you, | :35:55. | :36:02. | |
like, love and that. Like, true friends, | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
it can't buy you true friends. But it does bring | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
a certain degree of happiness. I'm delighted to say that Jane is | :36:10. | :36:24. | |
with us now. I know you were finding that uncomfortable, because that was | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
a few years ago, and you were really young, 17, and handed ?1 million. | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
You say that money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a jet | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
ski and who has been unhappy on a jet ski? Did you feel differently | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
about the whim at that stage? Watching it back, I feel completely | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
different. At that stage, it was all about what you could suddenly have, | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
what had opened up for you, I guess? You had this money, pretty much for | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
whatever you wanted to get. Looking at that, I thought my | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
worries were gone. I thought it was going to be amazing. | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
What did you spend the money on? I have got property, and I have been | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
out there with some of it, buy a nice things for myself and my | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
family. But there comes a point when you need to invest it as well. | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
You have taken sensible decisions, you still have something to show for | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
it. Do you know how much you have spent on things that do go away, but | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
leave you with memories, things like holidays? | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
I wouldn't speak about figures or anything. It is a bit tacky, but I | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
am comfortable just now. I uncomfortable. -- I am comfortable. | :37:44. | :37:52. | |
I don't need a job or anything. But you are not happy, you feel the | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
money hasn't made you happy, it has made you unhappy? | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
I wouldn't say it has completely ruined my life, what I am trying to | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
say is that, at times, I felt like I had ruined my life when I was 17. | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
Now, I think everyone gets days where they feel worse than on other | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
days. My worst days are normally money situations or money related. | :38:20. | :38:26. | |
And sometimes, I get these feelings, and think I wish I had never even | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
won it. For many, money related bad days are | :38:30. | :38:37. | |
because they don't have enough of it, but for you it is because you | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
have got to much, what is it? Looking back, it was a ridiculous | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
amount to have at such a young age. I had no guidance, I was just, like, | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
wow, I was everywhere. Obviously, as I have got older, it has been more | :38:56. | :39:02. | |
structured. So I still have money problems, but not the same... | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
explain what you mean about money problems. | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
Maybe other folks have money problems, rather than mine in | :39:16. | :39:23. | |
particular, but like, so maybe, so... if a friend or family member | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
is having a money difficulty, I can find it really difficult. Every time | :39:28. | :39:36. | |
someone in my family or my friends are having money difficulties, it is | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
my position to say that I can sort you out, or is it... ? It is | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
stressful. Do I say, "Sort yourself out"? | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
Do you think people expect you to help them out? | :39:51. | :39:52. | |
That is the expectation. The expectation to say, here, I will | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
sort you out. You said that you didn't have much | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
support after the win. Camelot said you had extensive support from them | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
and a dedicated winner 's adviser visited you at home to pay out the | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
price, arrange private banking, sort out publicity, and an independent | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
financial legal team was set up to manage the money. When you are 17, I | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
guess, do you actually listen to advice? Do you feel that you know | :40:22. | :40:34. | |
who you are and what you want to do? I didn't understand what they were | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
talking about. On numerous occasions, I said I didn't | :40:38. | :40:45. | |
understand it, speaking in front of financial advisers about Bonds, I | :40:46. | :40:47. | |
said I didn't understand it. It is not about the support at the start, | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
because it is fine to say they will help at the start, but further on, | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
I'm just glad I had my family to keep me straight and narrow, | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
otherwise I could see how easily... do you actually think you shouldn't | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
have won the money? On days, when I have a good day, I | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
wouldn't change anything. But there are days when, in my head, I say, I | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
wish I hadn't won it. What do you miss about your old | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
life? I wish I didn't have the stress at | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
such a young age and the pressure on me all the time. | :41:31. | :41:33. | |
You could just give it all away? Everyone has said that to me. | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
What people don't understand is that I do have property, I don't have all | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
this cash lying in my account that I spend every day in life. I am on a | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
budget as well, and I do put money away. One day, I want a family, and | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
someone in my family might need that or be dependent, do you know what I | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
mean? I need to secure a future as well to secure my family as well. | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
You mentioned the pressures you feel from people around you that are | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
struggling, and you feel there is an obligation to help, and you struggle | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
with that, how have your relationships with friends and | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
families been affected? To be fair, my friends and family | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
have been really good. I've kept the same friends the whole time. My | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
family have been so supportive. I wouldn't have had it any other way, | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
with my family members, because it could have gone horribly wrong. | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
There will be people watching, thinking, why would you even ever | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
have a bad day when you have got lots of money, what would you say to | :42:38. | :42:39. | |
that? When I had first won, I was thinking | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
that as well. I would never be upset, always having money, I was | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
thinking that nothing could bring me down, because I could go shopping. | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
But until I was in the situation, I can't even express to someone how | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
young my imagination was at 17, and how immature I was, looking back, | :43:02. | :43:08. | |
and I can't express to someone how it feels unless someone has been in | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
that situation. The people I have spoken to, they have been in that | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
situation and they agree with me. People at home struggling with money | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
right now might feel cross at the TV, saying they would love to have | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
the problem of too much money. That's not actually my main point, | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
because before I won the money, I was struggling to make ends meet, | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
and I was in the same situation as them, working in an office job, to | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
pay my mum. I was in the same environment. I am trying to say is | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
now their is no help for young people coming into money -- there's | :43:46. | :43:52. | |
no help. I just think 17 is too young. | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
You are really eloquently making the point about the fact that you are | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
very young, a huge amount of money given in an environment where | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
everybody around you is in a different boat. It puts you into | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
quite a different category. And you said about people not really | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
understanding, how difficult is that in a situation where you feel the | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
people around you don't understand what you are experiencing and | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
feeling? It can be difficult. Sometimes, you | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
don't understand it. I have got to say to people sometimes, give them | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
examples, and tell them to look from my perspective, put yourself in my | :44:32. | :44:41. | |
shoes and think about it. Sometimes I feel like some folks don't | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
understand and they have got it easy. People can look at me and | :44:45. | :44:51. | |
think staff. The stuff behind it all, it does cause stress. | :44:52. | :44:59. | |
What would you have done if you hadn't had a lottery win? | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
Everybody asks me that. I think I would have worked in an office type | :45:04. | :45:11. | |
of job, or a retail work. My life would be completely different, | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
anyway. I'm not sure. What do you think the rest of your life will be | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
like? Do you want a job? I haven't got anything against getting a job. | :45:21. | :45:26. | |
When I did get a job recently, not recently, but within my win, I got a | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
job and I got a backlash from it because some folks were saying I | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
didn't deserve a job. Folks can't get a job that need a job. Folks | :45:36. | :45:37. | |
were saying that I was dedicated. You are back living in the flat with | :45:38. | :45:58. | |
your mum? Yes. Why did to you that? I moved out, in a previous | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
relationship. I feel like I am most settled with my mam. That is where | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
my house is. Where your heart is. Thank you for coming in. | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
Parents of children with cystic fibrosis fined for taking their kids | :46:13. | :46:19. | |
being criticized by a charity and the parents who will have | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
Many people who struggle with essential daily tasks such | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
as getting out of bed and eating are not getting the care they need, | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
The charity says a crisis in social care provision means more | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
than a million elderly and vulnerable people | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
in England are not receiving the help they need. | :46:37. | :46:38. | |
It's a familiar story - and the effects are well documented: | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
more pressure on hospital beds and family members, | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
We keep hearing we're on the brink of a social care crisis, | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
We can now speak to Susan Donnelly who only received the social care | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
she was entitled to when she sent a legal letter to her local | :46:53. | :46:55. | |
Chris Maughn's father had to apply twice to get care | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
despite being so ill he was incapacitated. | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
Lynne Nobel, who applied for social care in 2015 and despite social | :47:05. | :47:07. | |
workers and an ombudsman ruling in her favour she should receive | :47:08. | :47:09. | |
care, there still has been no action by her local authority. | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
She's joined by her husband and carer Michael. | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
Here to make sense of this all is the director | :47:18. | :47:19. | |
of United For All Ages, Stephen Burke. | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
Thank you all very much for joining us. | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
Lynn, I want to start can you, you applied for social care more than a | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
year ago and you still haven't got it. What was your situation, why do | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
you need the care? Well I have a number of conditions, I have MS, I | :47:39. | :47:45. | |
have left sided cerebral palsy s I had head injuries from a road Rafik | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
accident when I was 22, and -- road traffic. I have a lot of physical | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
problems and cognitive processing problems as well. So I applied in | :47:57. | :48:06. | |
2015 and I am #12i8 waiting. What has the process being like? It has | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
been horrendous, there there have been delay, more delay, I have | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
instigated so many stage one complaints and taken it through and | :48:16. | :48:24. | |
I am still waiting. It, you would need a lot of stamina basically and | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
need to know your way round the system to be able to navigate it. | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
And hopefully at the end of it get something, I am sure that many | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
thousands of people are put off the whole process. As things stand you | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
presumably still don't know if or when you might get help? No. I don't | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
know. There is another complaint has gone into my Local Authority and I | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
am waiting to hear from them. And Michael, in the meantime, it | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
puts you under pressure because you are Lynn's career, what is it like? | :48:58. | :49:05. | |
It's very difficult basically, you just have to just keep plugging on, | :49:06. | :49:13. | |
you know, plodding on basically, carrying on, because the, you never | :49:14. | :49:20. | |
know when basically you are going to get help frommure local authority, | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
and you just have to juggle things and do your best basically. Chris, | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
you had a big struggle trying to get funding for help for your | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
80-year-old dad. Tell us more about him, what help he needed? Dad's | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
suffers with Parkinson's disease, and we, he ended up in a rehab unit, | :49:42. | :49:52. | |
and that is where we came across continuing health care assessments. | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
And the assessment was done by the nursing team, and the occupational | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
therapist, and they basically told us as a family, your dad's not going | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
to qualify, he doesn't meet the criteria but we will have a family | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
meeting, and please feel free to say any objections you have got, in our | :50:14. | :50:20. | |
assessments, findings, which when we did, we were basically just told no, | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
no, that is not correct, your dad can do stuff for himself, and we had | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
to make the, the very hard decision to put my dad placed into 24 hours | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
residential care, and EU on your own, if you don't receive funding, | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
you have to go and find a care home yourself. And that is, that is | :50:43. | :50:49. | |
stressful, you don't know, you have to knock on doors, and find these | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
care home, which I did find a fantastic care home for my dad | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
called The Lilacs Did you give up on the whole social care thing because | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
you felt you weren't getting anywhere? Yes, dad count come back | :51:04. | :51:10. | |
to our house, because we knew we wouldn't be able to cope. We were | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
told we could only have four visits a day. Thanks Chris, I want to bring | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
in Susan, because Susan, you got social care but only after you | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
turned to a lawyer for help, tell us what happened with you. Basically | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
what happened, under legislation you are supposed to be assessed every | :51:28. | :51:35. | |
year, for four year, I kept complaining, I phoned up, still | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
didn't get no joy. . Co-plain because you hadn't had the annual | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
assessment. That right. What was the situation in the meantime? I was | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
getting 18 hours care. You needed more. What did you need I had | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
further health issues that came up and it was an ongoing battle and I | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
was struggling. For four years you needed more than 18 hours and you | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
weren't getting the assessment, what happened? I approached a solicitor, | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
and it was taken out of my hands then, then they decided to come and | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
down, and it was one of the senior managers that came to to the | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
assessment and my care package went up from 18-and-a-half hours to 30. | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
But what a lot of people don't understand, I have actually made | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
some notes, just to... If you don't mind we won't have time to go | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
through them but in a nutshell? When people talk about a care package | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
they don't realise that there is a catch hole in it, because they give | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
you a timescale, you might have ten minutes to get someone in the | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
shower. You know, you have health and safety issues the pressure is is | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
put on the irkaer to make sure that you are safe, that there is no | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
issues, and it, it just doesn't work out like that a all, you know, how | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
can you time if I... I hear what you are saying, let us bring in Steven | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
Burke because he has the overall picture, how often is it happening | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
that people need help and they just, either not been given assessments or | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
the whole process is taking a frustratingly long time? We heard | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
some very real examples of the care crisis? The country, and as Age UK | :53:24. | :53:30. | |
say 1.2 old emillion older people are missing out. The whole system is | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
confeudsing, very complex, people don't know where to turn to for | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
help. The local authorities are meant to provide assessments for | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
people's needs, they are also meant to assess the needs of family carers | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
as well. But many people struggle to get those basic rights, the basic | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
assessments and it is a real postcode lottery. It depends on | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
where you live and your local authority. Underlying this it is | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
about funding. We have a big shortfall in funding, big cuts in | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
social care funding over the last six years, while demand is | :54:06. | :54:07. | |
increasing. People are living longer. But it is, obviously there | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
are two parts of the same issue, it is different in that even if there | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
was all the money in the world, to be funding it. If people are | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
struggling to navigate a complex system, they are still not getting | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
help when they need it, whether the money is there or not. The system | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
could be made easier, there are people to help you through it and | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
you can approach some of the national charities like Age UK or | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
Independence Age or your local Age UK can provide you with advice and | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
information but we need to make it simpler, some of the carers | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
charities help provide... I want to get to the bottom of why it is | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
complex. It is necessarily complex because people, very careful | :54:55. | :54:56. | |
assessments have to be made to work out who is eligible for what, and | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
that takes some time, but where does the complexity come in that might be | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
able to be stripped out, if that is case? We need to make it easier for | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
people to approach their local authority, but the other part is | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
local authorities are becoming more defensive and increasing the gate | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
keeping because they don't have the resources to meet the needs of | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
people approaching them. So older people need to challenge that, their | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
families need to challenge that, they needed a cats to help them | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
challenge it and in some cases legal challenges. So are you saying that | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
some authorities deliberately are using the complicated system to get | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
out of having to pay for social care? Yes, there is no question | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
about that. Local authorities should be providing assessments for | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
everyone who approaches them and providing advice and information to | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
them. Lynn, you were nodding at that, I mean obviously we don't know | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
what your situation is with your local authority but you are | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
frustrated by what is happening for you. I want to read an e-mail from | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
Charles who say I am 86 and a career to my disabled wife. We have no | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
living relatives. We have one good neighbour, we had a social worker | :56:09. | :56:11. | |
who was lovely. She looked after Frances when I was in hospital, | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
visited me and took her own Christmas dinner to traps is when I | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
was in over one Christmas, the fact, Lynn, to you as well Michael, the | :56:21. | :56:23. | |
fact you have got each other, the fact that Michael is there, do you | :56:24. | :56:30. | |
feel that that, I mean it not right to say it would be, it is sort of | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
gives you a safety net, does that sort of, do you think that might be | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
a factor in when things are taking time, you know, there is somebody | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
there who is helping you at least? Well, Michael has his own health | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
issues which haven't been taken into consideration. And basically, I came | :56:51. | :56:59. | |
out of hospital on 13th September, after a nine hour operation, and the | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
day before, Social Services apparently sent me a letter, saying | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
that they had withdrawn my allocation to my social worker and | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
all my services had been refused and once I had recuperated, after this | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
operation, which was neatly followed by a bilateral pneumonia, I could | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
apply again. And Michael was working 24 hours | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
round-the-clock, I couldn't do anything for myself. I couldn't etch | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
access the bed for three weeks, Michael had to sleep on a two seater | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
settee and I on a three seater settee, purely because I couldn't | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
get into the bed. I couldn't do anything, dress, anything. Do you | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
feel like you can carry on like this? Well, no. No we can't, no. No. | :57:47. | :57:57. | |
There is a limit. To what you can cope with. You were very tired. | :57:58. | :58:04. | |
Michael was very tired. Working 24 hours, seven days a week is, is not | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
good for anybody, especially not for somebody who is nearly 72 and has, | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
as I say, his own health issues any way. Sure, what will you do? Well, | :58:15. | :58:23. | |
we are still challenging the, the system. And we are not going to give | :58:24. | :58:30. | |
up, because there are a million people in our position. That are | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
entitled to care and support package, but are currently not | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
getting it. Thank you all very much for joining | :58:40. | :58:42. | |
Thank you all very much for joining us and telling us. | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
The Department of Health told us that they recognise the pressures | :58:47. | :58:48. | |
of an ageing population, adding: | :58:49. | :59:11. | |
Well, according to a new study, for three million of us it might. | :59:12. | :59:18. | |
Carol. I can't see you Carol. Are you there? You are not here? You are | :59:19. | :59:30. | |
not missing much. Good morning. Good morning to you too. This morning | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
what we have is a bit of cloud but the cloud already breaking up, some | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
of us have started with some sunshine, some of us have yet to see | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
it. We have some rain in Scotland, strong winds here, rain in Northern | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
Ireland, as we head on through the course of the afternoon and as we | :59:47. | :59:51. | |
head through the evening and overnight that rain will push into | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
Wales, northern -- northern England. Behind it for Scotland and northern | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
England a cold night. There will be frost round, patchy fog, and ahead | :00:01. | :00:04. | |
of it, in southern England we will see some patchy fog but not as much | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
as we thought this time yesterday. So that leads us into tomorrow. The | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
fog will lift, then for northern and North East parts we will see | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
sunshine, elsewhere we start off on a cloudy note but like today, the | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
cloud will turn over, some of us will see sunshine s out to the west | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
we are going to see a few more showers, and despite the fact you | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
can see temperatures between eight and 11 with some of us we could set | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
12 or 13, possibly more in that mild trend continuing into the weekend | :00:35. | :00:35. | |
and the early part of next Police arrest a third person | :00:36. | :00:44. | |
in connection with the apparent poisoning | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
of Kim Jong-nam, half-brother of | :00:53. | :00:53. | |
North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un. And the youngest ever winner | :00:54. | :01:01. | |
of EuroMillions has told this There's days when I feel | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
like, I wish I hadn't. But there are days when I | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
have a good day, like, I But there's days where in my head, | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
I say, I wish I hadn't won it. And you can see the full | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
interview with Jane Parks And why is so hard to talk | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
about the menopause? The first time I had a hot sweat, | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
it did take me by surprise. I kept going, "What's that, | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
what am I sitting on?" We'll also talk about HRT, | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
and the contradictions around Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
with a summary of today's news. Police in Malysia have now arrested | :01:36. | :01:51. | |
a total of three people in connection with the suspected | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
poisoning of the North Korean They are reported to be a woman | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
identified on CCTV footage and her boyfriend. | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
Kim Jong Nam was taken ill waiting for a flight in Kuala Lumpur. | :02:07. | :02:14. | |
The South Korean government claim North Korean agents were responsible | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
as Kevin Kim explains. The person detained was carrying | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
an Indonesian passport, but North Korean agents | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
are known for travelling So it's quite likely | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
an investigation may Earlier, Malaysian authorities | :02:27. | :02:34. | |
released a photo taken from a security camera, | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
who was thought to be The South Korean Spy Agency | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
believe it may have been A colour image of | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
a young Asian woman with heavy | :02:49. | :02:58. | |
make-up and casual clothes, several other members believed to be | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
part of the same group are being pursued according | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
to local media. More than three million people | :03:04. | :03:04. | |
could avoid getting colds and flu every year by taking | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
Vitamin D supplements The study in the British Medical | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
Journal calls for the vitamin But Public Health England says | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
the evidence remains inconclusive. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson later today | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
as President Trump's The two men will be attending | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
America's foreign policy positions. President Trump, meanwhile, | :03:44. | :03:53. | |
has suffered another set-back in his efforts to finalise | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
the line-up of his cabinet. His choice for Labor Secretary, | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
Andrew Puzder, has withdrawn from the nomination process | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
after several Republican senators Mr Puzder has admitted that he once | :04:01. | :04:01. | |
employed a housekeeper who wasn't Social care for elderly people | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England, | :04:09. | :04:16. | |
according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with daily tasks | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
such as washing, eating The Government says it recognises | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
the pressures on the system and is working on a long term, | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
sustainable solution. Britain's most senior judge has | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
criticised sections of the press for their coverage of the Article 50 | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
court ruling, which said Parliament had to be consulted before | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
the formal process for leaving The present of the Supreme Court | :04:46. | :04:56. | |
Lord Neuberger also accused politicians of not being quick | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
enough to defend the judicial process. | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
A mother and teenage son have been arrested after she allegedly | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
faked her death in Zanzibar in a bid to claim ?140,000 | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
Police said the 45-year-old woman's son and his guardian claimed she had | :05:07. | :05:15. | |
died in a car crash in East Africa and allegedly provided | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
But instead, she was actually living in Canada. | :05:18. | :05:33. | |
The insurance company was unable to verify the woman's death, | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
refused to pay out on the policy and contacted police. | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. More at 10:30. | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
We will talk about menopause in a few moments. Lynn on Facebook, seven | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
years of mood swings and my family living with a monster one minute and | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
a mother and wife the next. The doctor was useless, having tried | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
HRT, and developed lumps in my breast, herbal remedies made it | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
slightly better. No libido has affected my marriage, but we are | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
working through it. Teen on Facebook, can cope with the hot | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
flushes, it is the insomnia and forgetfulness. -- Tina. | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
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There's been an update this morning on the future of Arsene Wenger. | :06:18. | :06:38. | |
BBC Sport understands the club will wait until the end | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
of the season before making a decision on his future. | :06:41. | :06:49. | |
Last night they had a torrid result in the first knockout stage | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
of the Champions League - they were thrashed 5-1 | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
Arjen Robben opened the scoring with this strike. | :06:55. | :07:07. | |
Arsenal's Alexis Sanchez eventually put in the rebound from his own | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
Bayern were simply too good for Arsenal | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
in the the second half, two goals from Thiago mean Arsenal | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
now face elimination at the last 16 stage for the seventh | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
The problems we faced after the third goal. We lost our organisation | :07:19. | :07:32. | |
and we looked mentally jaded and vulnerable from that moment onwards. | :07:33. | :07:40. | |
The last 25 minutes a nightmare for us. | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
Arsenal weren't helped by injury to their captain | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
Laurent Koscielny, whilst saves from goalkeeper David Ospina stopped | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
On BBC Radio 5live, journalist Henry Winter gave his view | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
This is a crime of call -- chronicle of death foretold. The owner doesn't | :07:55. | :08:07. | |
commute Kate with fans and is sleepwalking towards the abyss. We | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
have got a manager in Arsene Wenger whose best days are behind him. | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
Everyone can see that. Even the faithful at Arsenal can really see | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
that this is a manager overtaken by Conte, copper and other managers. | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
You have a lack of leadership on the pitch as well, Koscielny with | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
Sanchez has been one of macro as well few leaders. -- too few | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
leaders. Arsene Wenger has lost his leadership skills, and there is no | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
invincible streak in Arsene Wenger any more, no invincible streak in | :08:43. | :08:43. | |
the team any more. 11 time winners Real Madrid came | :08:44. | :08:50. | |
from behind to beat Napoli Brazilian midfielder Casemiro scored | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
the pick of the goals There has been a blow to Scotland | :08:54. | :09:01. | |
hopes in the six Nations. Greg Laidlaw has been ruled out for the | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
rest of the tournament. He suffered an ankle injury last weekend, and | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
although he managed to walk off, the scrum-half sustained ligament | :09:12. | :09:11. | |
damage. Defending champion Ronnie O'Sullivan | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
is out of snooker's Welsh Open after losing 4-3 to Mark Davis | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
in the second round. Meanwhile, a 15 year old schoolboy | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
will have to take more time Jackson Page had to get | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
permission to be off school to play John Astley, | :09:23. | :09:30. | |
and now he's into the third Good news for him. Congratulations. | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
That is all the sport for now. Two more suspects have this morning | :09:33. | :09:44. | |
been arrested in connection with the killing of the North Korean | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
leader's brother in Malaysia. Kim Jong-nan is thought to have been | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
poisoned as he waited to board The detention of the Indonesian | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
woman and Malaysian man follows the earlier arrest of another woman, | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
apparently from Vietnam. In a moment we'll be talking | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
to a political analyst in Korea, but first, this is | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
what we know so far. We are now joined via webcam | :10:03. | :11:00. | |
from Seoul by Seong-Hyon Lee, from the Sejong Institute - | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
a leading South Korean think tank that researches national | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
security and unification. North Korea is actually claiming | :11:06. | :11:16. | |
he's not even dead, it's all part of a plot to discredit the regime in | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
North Korea. What is your perspective on what has happened | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
here? I think we still have to wait and | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
see, but then, I think the background is interesting here. The | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
job administration in the US is in the process of coming up with the | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
kind of policy to take to North Korea. The North Korean and ship... | :11:43. | :12:02. | |
there will be a fraction of strategies that do not negotiate | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
with North Korea because North Korea is unstable. There are details | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
missing from the narrative that we have heard about so far. | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
On the matter of power struggles, it is being said | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
It has been said there was a previous assassination attempt and | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
he wrote to Kim Jong-un and begged him to spare him. He said he had no | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
ambitions and was living in exile. So why would Kim Jong-un be | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
convinced apparently that there was some sort of plot? My understanding | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
is that there has to be a standing order, to kill his older brother, | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
and the timing is interesting. There is a lot of speculation but my | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
understanding is that timing is not an issue really because there has | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
been a standing order to kill him or assassinate him. Also it has to do | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
with the character of the dictator in North Korea who wants to make | :13:07. | :13:16. | |
sure that even though Kim Jong-Nam doesn't have any power base in North | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
Korea, he just wants to make sure that no stone is unturned. He wants | :13:22. | :13:34. | |
to get rid of him, and wants to be without the presence of his elder | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
brother who could pose, a threat coming is taken seriously by his | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
paranoid younger brother, the dictator. It says North Korea is | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
trying to resist their being a postmortem. Can they control and | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
manage this? It depends on the power struggle between different | :13:57. | :14:04. | |
stakeholders. They are trying to get more information about the party of | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
Kim Jong-un so that they can have that intelligence on the ground and | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
find out what will happen. But my understanding is that one Malaysian | :14:15. | :14:21. | |
authority announced that, given the passport which belongs to North | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
Korea, Kim Jong-Nam is a North Korean citizen. I think they will | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
repatriate him. There are governments in Seoul, Tokyo and | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
Beijing and they want to have as much information as possible about | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
the dead person's identity and relative information as well. Thank | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
you very much. Now the menopause happens to every woman so why is it | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
something that we talk about so little? With women living on average | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
30 years after it what's the best way to deal with this change to our | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
bodies? A new documentary by Kirsty Wark who herself went through it | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
after having a hysterectomy is on tonight. It takes an unflinching | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
look at the menopause and asks if women who suffer side-effects have | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
been needlessly denied hormone replacement therapy figures. The | :15:18. | :15:24. | |
most common treatment for menopausal symptoms is hormone replacement | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
therapy, HRT, it helps replace the oestrogen lost when ovaries stop | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
producing eggs. It can be taken through patches, a gel, or tablets. | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
But it has been hard to work out if it is wise to take HRT. This is due | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
to the confusion ignited by the publication of the women's health | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
initiative study in America back in 2002. The study casts serious doubt | :15:49. | :16:00. | |
on the safety of HRT. One study cancelled, says the Guardian, HRT | :16:01. | :16:08. | |
does more harm than good, in 2002, 2008, new cancer fear for women | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
taking HRT, and then, HRT is safe for millions of women again. 1 | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
million women could benefit from HRT. This is why it is all so | :16:22. | :16:29. | |
confusing. I was using HRT tablets for three years after my | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
hysterectomy but I stopped suddenly like so many women because of this | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
scare. So in 2002 the results of the women's health get study came out | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
and it suggested that being on HRT hugely increased your chances of | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
breast cancer, even if you had been taking it for a short periods are a | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
lot of women stopped because of this risk. Lots with no discussion with a | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
health professional, they stopped cold turkey. People stopped coming | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
to ask for HRT and GPs became It's a vicious circle. Circle. | :17:04. | :17:17. | |
Subsequent research suggested that the analysis of the data was flawed | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
and that the findings were overstated but these more positive | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
reappraisals received nothing like the same publicity as the original | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
square. More up-to-date research has attempted to offer clarification of | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
the risks involved. The insiders guide to the menopause | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
is on at 9.00 tonight for viewers in Scotland and for everyone on the | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
iPlayers. Julie Chandler who experienced | :17:45. | :18:10. | |
severe menopause side effects, thank you all welcome. Kirstie, like so | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
many normal things that we go through, we don't actually foe that | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
much about it until something happens to you and then you think | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
why didn't I know? People will be experiencing symptoms not knowing | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
they are symptoms of menopause. That is is right. The idea that something | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
called low mood affects a lot of women who go to their GPs and some | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
don't prescribe antidepressants but some do. That is not the treatment | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
that you should be having. And it is the very fact we don't discuss it | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
and we all go through it, usually round the age of 50. Height of | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
careers, and it is a taboo. I want everybody to say look we need to | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
talk about it, deal with it and various treatments that women are | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
entitled to. You say, people going through it at height of career now, | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
no-one likes to expose something that look like a weakness and a | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
vulnerability. Absolutely. There is that perception. You know what I am | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
not sure it would be the same if all men went through it. What do you | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
think Let us ask the man. What do you think? I have been through the | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
menopause. And survived. We do have them but not quite the same. Let us | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
talk about your experiences. Kirstie you had an instant menopause. I had | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
to have a hysterectomy. My consultant said you are having one, | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
do you want to keep your ovaries and ovarian cancer is very much a hidden | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
killers I had my kids, and I wasn't going to be having any more. I | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
thought, no I am going, it is all going, it went, so instantly I went | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
into menopause so the next morning, straight after I started taking HRT. | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
And it worked? It did. I felt great. And then, two things happened. There | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
was the study, the big study in America but a friend of mine who was | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
on HRT for ten years and had a precancerous breast lump and was | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
told best to get off it. That makes you feel nervous and worried so I | :20:14. | :20:21. | |
went cold turkey -- hurt I can. Diane you had the ovarian cancer | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
scare, so you had the hysterectomy, instant menopause, what was it like | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
for you? Pretty hideous, that is mainly because I hadn't been given | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
the information I needed. Were you not given any warning about what | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
would happen? I had my Health Service recollect meh and I left the | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
hospital after two days but I wasn't given any information. I was told to | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
see my GP in a few weeks' time, which I did but unfortunately my mum | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
had had ovarian cancer, so I was aware there was a type of HRT, but | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
it was not one that I was willing to take, because of the way it was | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
made. It is animal derived. Thankfully it is quite restricted in | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
its use now in the UK, but I didn't realise there was a second body | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
identical type of HRT, and so for that reason, I chose to go and see a | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
clinic and take some, try and take herbs and minerals which was never | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
going to do it for somebody in my position who had had their ovaries | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
removed but no, there was no information for me about that, so, | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
eventually, when things got really hideous, and a lot of it for me was | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
emotional and mental, I ended up essentially in a really deep, dark | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
place, where I considered taking my own life, and at that point, my | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
husband picked me up, took me to the doctors, which he had been trying to | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
persuade me to do for ages but I was terrified because I thought they | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
would put me on anti-depleasants. Went back to the doctor, she said | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
you have a choice there is a second type of HRT, it is plant derived. It | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
is body identical. Why did it take so long? It takes thatening long, | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
there are, I run an organisation now call menopause support, which | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
supports women and I speak to women every week, of every day, who are | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
struggling to get the right information or they are turning up | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
at the surgery and the GP doesn't know what to tell them. Julie, you | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
also had early surgical menopause because of ovarian cancer, did it | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
feel like a taboo to you, when you suddenly were plunged into | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
menopause? Well, I had my ovaries out as a preventative because I was | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
at high risk of cancer, it was a terrible shock for me in terms of | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
the symptoms I had. I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't have | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
information. I had to fight to get HRT. I was led to believe by my | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
genetic councillor who supported me through the surgeries I would be put | :23:01. | :23:11. | |
on HRT but my surgeon and GP said I had BRCA2 positive jeans. Like some | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
of your other -- genes. The symptoms were unbelievable. There was no way | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
I could function as a normal professional woman going about her | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
life without some sort of help and having tried everything out there, | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
like one of your guests in the studio, there was nothing else that | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
was doing anything to help the symptoms, and I needed something | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
serious that was going to help me and finally I managed to get on the | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
HRT which put everything back to normal again. Is Janice, I mean, it | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
sounds like talking obviously to these women, and many others out | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
there, that HRT is a no brainer but it has been through controversies. | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
It has, but I agree, I think it is a no-brainer for women, and I am a | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
clinician, I see women coming who are doing the dance of the | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
desperate. The quality of life is shocking, particularly professional | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
women, they are no functioning at the level they were before and HRT | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
can transform their life, as well as that, they are getting protection | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
against cardiovascular disease and it is looking after their bones, I | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
think it's a no brainer that women who are having symptoms the and are | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
feeling lousy should be going on to hormone replacement therapy. What | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
Kirstie said is right, that the scandal that it has happened against | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
women because of the study that came out in 2002, we have this whole | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
generation of GPs and doctors in training who will not prescribe HRT, | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
they are terrified of it. Fortunately the pendulum is swinging | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
back and women are getting more information, they are desperate and | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
getting more educated. They have been deprived of hormone replacement | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
therapy and I think is scandalous. The Nice guidelines that came out in | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
town 15 say every woman should have individual liced care from their GP. | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
Any woman needs to go to their GP and sit there and sit there until | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
they get some positive advice. Because women don't go because they | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
don't think there is anything for them. You are not so convinced by | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
HRT? I am convinced by HRT as a cure for some of the symptoms, But you | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
are concerned about the side effects. Women with serious symptoms | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
need HRT. They should take it. But it does carry risk, if you look at | :25:33. | :25:40. | |
the epidemiology properly you can't say it protects against | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
cardiovascular disease, because it doesn't. That aside though, whether | :25:44. | :25:51. | |
you think it protects against something else or not, that is not a | :25:52. | :25:59. | |
harm. What? You sayer owe questioning whether it protect | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
against cardios vascular disease. It increases the risks of stroke and | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
the risk of MI. By how much That is the thing you have said that and | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
there are millions of woman who will say maybe I shouldn't have is it. It | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
is about quality of life. I agree with you. Completely about quality | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
of life. But what it says it is protects against that disease, it | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
doesn't. It pro#1r50ids if taken at the time of ovarian failure and you | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
know that, the zudys the mean age was 63. I have ever in as a | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
clinician started HRT in a woman at 63. You start at the time of | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
menopause, if do you that you provide some protection against | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
cardiovascular disease. We did a study, we took the submission who | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
had done smallish trials, random miced to HRT or not and they were | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
all menopausal, aged 50. They were taking HRT. If you pull the studies | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
together of which there are 300 and we published this, there is a small | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
increase in cardiovascular disease which is the same as the increase in | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
cardiovascular disease the WHI study showed. It St the case that it does | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
not protect against cardiovascular disease at the very best. The big | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
initial controversy was about risk, breast cancer risk, and that has | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
now, the guidance on that has been changed. Yes because there is a | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
strong vested interest to believe HRT is safe. You don't believe it? | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
It causes breast cancer. No, no, no. You cannot say, you can't put out a | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
statement that says that HRT causes breast cancer. It does not cause | :27:53. | :28:00. | |
breast cancer, you would know that better than I. You are talking about | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
HRT causing breast cancer, I don't believe it is, o boos thety is a | :28:06. | :28:12. | |
much bigger risk far for. It is not. I am an academic, I have done | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
research trials, and I think if you are a clinician, dealing with women | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
then you have to appreciate improving quality of life, improving | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
longevity and not scaremongering women about the risk. I want to | :28:27. | :28:35. | |
bring in some comments. We are getting so many,ing about that | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
point. I am an academic, I have done research trials, and I think if you | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
are a clinician, dealing with women then you have to appreciate | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
improving quality of life, improving longevity and not scaremongering | :28:43. | :28:44. | |
women about the risk. I want to bring in some comments. We are | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
getting so many,ing about that point. Hayley says "I am 42. I | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
suffered premenopausal symptoms and doctors should provide nutritional | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
advice. I changed all my foods and have no symptoms, I had no support | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
from doctors or help. How much training in nutrition do doctors | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
get.". Jan said I had terrible flushes. I had other symptoms which | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
have lessoned or gone. Carol said I went through the menopause at 52. | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
Fortunately I didn't suffer too badly with hot flush, I am 64. I | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
have had no libido, I have not been able to have intercows because it is | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
painful. Karen says I was having 12-15 hot flushes in 24 hours. It | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
woke me up through the night. I am taking natural pills, it has cut my | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
hot flushes in half and I am sleeping through the night. Susan | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
say I have been on HRT for 23 years. It is the only thing that works. I | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
used to have hot flushes and sweats every half hour sometimes. People | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
are saying, people will have different things that work. There is | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
no silver bullet, nor are there identical symptoms. The one I didn't | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
know about was joint pain. I interviewed a woman who was a great | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
runner, and suddenly she had joint pain and she was only in her mid | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
40s. She couldn't believe it. It was an early menopausal symptom. Why | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
aren't we told this? It is as if you are at school, you are taught about | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
puberty and someone says is half way through your life you will | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
experience different things, no-one is told and we are 51% of the | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
population. And now, I mean, that is the thing, | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
you have done this documentary, to get people talking about it. Get | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
people thinking about it. Why do you think it has taken so long? This is | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
a male dominated world, I don't know. It is right. Education in | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
schools, universities and whatever, we don't talk enough about the | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
menopause. That is is a terrible thing. | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
Do we self police a bit? The fear of revealing something about yourself? | :30:54. | :31:03. | |
Absolutely. And also the fact is that some women have these huge mood | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
swings. Senior colleagues of mine said a red mist offence and their | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
family were mortified. It is so debilitating. We need to deal with | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
these things as well. For those women and their families, and | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
friends, it is very difficult. We need to talk about this stuff. And | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
partners. I have spoken to men, they will say, | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
I think my wife... I think my wife is going mad. She's not going mad. | :31:34. | :31:43. | |
Menopausal symptoms are very often emotional. It is not flushes. That | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
is the thing that particularly doctors find difficult to recognise. | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
That is why so many women end up on antidepressants. For families, for | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
couples, for relationships, libido changes, nobody wants to talk about | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
a lack of sex drive, and that is a huge part of this puzzle. If we | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
talked about it earlier, kids could help their mums. I didn't realise | :32:09. | :32:17. | |
that my mother went through an early menopause at 46 when I was 16, what | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
a combination that was, adolescent and menopause! LAUGHTER | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
You are right. It is good to talk. It really is. We | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
have got people talking at home, getting in touch on it. | :32:36. | :32:43. | |
Thank you very much all of you. Keep your thoughts coming in. Loads of | :32:44. | :32:51. | |
comments from you already, and we would love to hear more. | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
Parents of children with cystic fibrosis fined for taking their kids | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
We speak to one family and the charity offering | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
And we'll be talking Emma Freud, the scriptwriter and director | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
of Love Actually, as the cast return for a one off | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
I cannot wait for that. We will find out what is happening with all our | :33:10. | :33:21. | |
favourite characters. With the News, here's Ben | :33:22. | :33:23. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. Police in Malaysia have arrested two | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
more people in connection with the death of the half-brother | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
of North Korean leader King Jong-Un. They're reported to be a woman | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
identified from CCTV Another woman was | :33:34. | :33:35. | |
arrested yesterday. Kim Jong-nam was taken ill | :33:36. | :33:43. | |
and later died, after apparently being attacked on Monday | :33:44. | :33:45. | |
while waiting for a flight in The South Korean government | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
claims North Korean agents Chinese state TV has just broadcast | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
footage of one suspect in the investigation | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
being driven away from a police The woman in the yellow top getting | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
into the car is believed to be one However, this has not | :34:00. | :34:10. | |
yet been verified. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
will meet his American counterpart Rex Tillerson today, | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
for the first time since Mr Tillerson was confirmed | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
as President Trump's The two men will be attending | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
a meeting of foreign ministers The US State Department has | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
indicated that Mr Tillerson will try to provide a comforting | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
message to countries made uneasy by the apparent changes in America's | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
foreign policy positions. Social care for elderly people | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
is on the brink of collapse in some parts of England, | :34:40. | :34:41. | |
according to the charity Age UK. It says more than 50,000 people | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
are now not receiving any help, despite struggling with daily tasks | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
such as washing, eating The Government says it recognises | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
the pressures on the system and is working on a long term, | :34:53. | :35:00. | |
sustainable solution. Britain's most senior judge has | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
criticised sections of the press for their coverage of the Article 50 | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
court ruling, which said Parliament had to be consulted before | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
the formal process for leaving The President of the Supreme Court, | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
Lord Neuberger, also accused politicians of not being | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
quick enough to defend That's a summary of the latest news, | :35:22. | :35:23. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom Arsenal will wait until the end of | :35:24. | :35:42. | |
the season to make a decision on their manager Arsene Wenger. That | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
follows a huge first leg thrashing at Bayern Munich, it finished 5-1 in | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
the Champions League. Real Madrid beat Napoli 3-1 in their first leg, | :35:51. | :36:01. | |
this is the pick of the goals. Greg Laidlaw will miss the rest of the | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
six Nations with an ankle injury, picked up in the defeat by France at | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
the weekend. Finally, Mercedes have announced another technical | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
director, James Allison, formerly of curare and Renault, filling the role | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
left by Paddy Lowe. More after 11am. The controversial practice | :36:16. | :36:24. | |
of issuing fines to parents who take their children out | :36:25. | :36:26. | |
of school to go on holiday during term time is being criticised | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
by a charity who say that even the parents of children with serious | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
illness like cystic fibrosis are being told they will have | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
to pay the penalties. We can speak now to Hannah | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
Lindley, who was able to enjoy one last holiday | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
with her sister Iona before The holiday was taken during term | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
time, but no fine was issued in that Laurie Howard who runs | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
a charity that gives grants for sufferers of Cystic Fibrosis to | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
go on holiday with their families, Nazleen Ebrahim, | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
who did face a fine when she took her son Raihan on holiday, | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
Raihan also has cystic fibrosis. From Nottingham, we can also speak | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
to Lewis Wagner an assistant Thank you all for joining us. Tell | :37:07. | :37:16. | |
us what happened, because you were fined for taking your son out of | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
school during term time, why did you do it? | :37:20. | :37:27. | |
He had cystic cypresses -- has. We have days when he is well enough to | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
travel, and not. For the first couple of years of his life, he was | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
not permitted to travel at all. So we took permission from the doctor, | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
took him, and he was well enough to travel. Once we got the go-ahead | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
from the doctors, we thought, that's fine. So we booked a flight four | :37:48. | :37:56. | |
days prior to departing. We booked a flight for 10th of December 2015, so | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
it was going to overlap the Christmas holidays anyway, flying | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
out for 14 days. We spoke to the teacher, and they said it is | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
understandable, if all is well and he has the go-ahead from his doctor. | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
We went on holiday, had an amazing time. We came back, received a | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
letter through the post from the council to say we had been fined. At | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
that point, I was shocked and confused. So I went to the school, | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
and they said we would have two approach the council. So we | :38:35. | :38:42. | |
approached the council. -- have two approach. The council said it was | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
the school's discretion to find us. It is, it is at the discretion of | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
the school whether you are able to take your child out. What you are | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
experiencing is what the families of other children have experience. But | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
because your son has cystic fibrosis, is it financial or | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
practical consideration? It is all aspects. The practical | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
aspect and medical basis, the fact that he might not be well enough to | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
travel, it is very difficult to be able to foresee what is going to | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
happen, even in the following weeks. So I can't plan a holiday ahead, | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
even months in advance, because you never know what is around the | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
corner. Hannah, I mentioned that your sister | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
very sadly died of cystic fibrosis, but before she died, your family | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
managed to go on a holiday, and the school was compassionate about that. | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
Yeah, the school were really supportive. They fully understood | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
why it was so important that we went on holiday together as a family. I | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
have got a little brother and a little sister, and for them, when we | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
came out, that is when she became critically ill and died. That | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
holiday is the last happy memory they have got with Iona. The cystic | :40:11. | :40:18. | |
fibrosis holiday fund helped us with grants to go, and they wouldn't have | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
those happy memories without that. Coming back and getting fired, and | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
the stress of sorting that out, it would have been impossible to deal | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
with that because Iona was so critically ill that she nearly died | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
when we got home. In that situation, there needs to be leniency, because | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
you can't help the circumstances. You can't make a change. | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
The situation, as described, it is difficult to work out when you need | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
to go, because of health considerations, is that why you went | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
in terms time? Why did you go in terms time? | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
At that point, that was when Iona was well. With cystic fibrosis, the | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
issue you face, really, is it is a massive unknown. You can be | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
completely fine one way, and within a couple of weeks, you can be dead. | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
You have to seize the opportunity whilst you have got the opportunity, | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
just do it. Everything else has to be put on hold. | :41:24. | :41:31. | |
Let's bring in Lewis Wagner, you are assistant head at a secondary | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
school, what do you think about term time holidays? | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
From the standpoint of education, we are primarily there to ensure that | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
education happens, and that can only happen with good attendance by | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
students. The policy is clear from the government regulations, and | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
state that you had to apply to a head teacher if you wish to be | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
considered for exceptional circumstances to take a child out of | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
school. The school will make sure the policy is followed... on cystic | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
fibrosis specifically and other serious conditions, should that | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
always automatically be a special condition? And permission given? | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
A case-by-case basis, you apply to the headteacher for the exceptional | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
circumstances. I imagine, with cystic fibrosis being the condition | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
it is, it is something that would be taken into consideration. It is nice | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
to hear from the people you have there that the school was | :42:30. | :42:31. | |
supportive. In one case, it was, but in the | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
other, there was a fine. What do you think about a fine? | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
The fine was from the local authority, and I correct in saying? | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
Yeah. The school is not necessary for the fine, it is for ensuring | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
attendance and unauthorised absence. I can't speak on the half of that | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
local authority, unfortunately. You are with the cystic fibrosis | :42:55. | :43:01. | |
holiday fund, how much parents of kids with cystic fibrosis fined for | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
taking them out of school in term time? | :43:07. | :43:08. | |
It feels like a bit of a postcode lottery. Some councils issued tens | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
of thousands of pounds of fines and councils that don't issue any fined | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
at all. It isn't a problem we have experienced with everybody, but it | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
is a problem that is coming up with more frequency. As we have started | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
recently organising fully paid holidays, as opposed to the grants | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
we have given in the past to families to help a four-day holiday, | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
some of the fully paid holidays given are in term time. More and | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
more families have said to us, being able to take a fully paid for | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
holiday of a lifetime because they might be fined on their return. | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
It is a slightly controversial position, putting out fully paid for | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
holidays in term time, encouraging parents to break guidelines. | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
We didn't think so. We thought with cystic fibrosis it would be pretty | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
clear for children with a disease that is ultimately terminal and | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
never goes away. Parents are spending hours and hours every day | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
giving physiotherapy, and children are taking tens of different drugs | :44:13. | :44:18. | |
every day to keep going. There is no break from that. It didn't seem | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
controversial to us as a charity to be able to support term time | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
holidays to families that wanted them. But it seems that it is, in | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
just a few cases, an issue. Hannah? The amount of treatment you have got | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
to do, for something like cystic fibrosis, before Iona died, she had | :44:38. | :44:44. | |
that much medication, should we could not get it within a 24-hour | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
period. You just want to get away from it all, some things where you | :44:51. | :44:57. | |
can shut the door, possibly forget a little bit about it, and have a | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
little bit of a break. What about the issue of damaging a | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
child's education because the Department of Health points out | :45:05. | :45:11. | |
there are 13 weeks of holiday across the academic year, evidence shows | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
that every day of school mist can affect a child's chances of | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
achieving good GCSEs and it has a lasting effect on their life | :45:20. | :45:20. | |
choices. Can we foreso has the a future, it | :45:21. | :45:30. | |
is very important education should be, it is everyone's parity but at | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
the same time, the importance of family, and to be loved and to have | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
the support off each other and to have memories with each other, sort | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
of balance it out. Education is a priority, every parents' but the | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
wellbeing and just the mental support that you can give to a | :45:51. | :45:57. | |
child, that is fighting a constant battle on a daily basis where every | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
morning, evening at night we are spending two to three hours on | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
medication and nebulisers and physiotherapy equipment. It is very | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
easy to sort of brush it as a stays tick and other children as a | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
statistic with cystic fibrosis with the same brush and say, well, all | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
children have to comply, but there is an umbrella policy and surely | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
there should be some sort of compromise, as far as children that | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
have these special circumstances. Lewis Wagner, when you are talking | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
about life chances in terms of education, and you hear about the | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
life chances of these kids, struggling with very difficult | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
conditions, and their families endiring that with them, can you | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
even equate those two? I think one of the things about being a teacher. | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
We are caring, it is a caring profession and we understand the | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
difficulties that are associated with conditions like cystic fibrosis | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
and we are very aware of the lifestyle that they may have to live | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
as a result of this, which is why as part of the regulation, one of the | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
things that is there that head teachers can grant these term time | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
absences, they can make sure they are authorised rather than | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
unauthorised, in exceptional circumstances. Thank you all very | :47:21. | :47:22. | |
Thank you all very much for coming in. | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
Three million of us could stave off colds and flu each year if we took | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
That's according to new research published | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
It studied 11,000 people and Found that a daily dose | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
of the sunshine vitamin can protect against acute | :47:36. | :47:37. | |
But Public Health England said evidence on Vitamin D | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
is inconsistent and that this study does not provide sufficient evidence | :47:41. | :47:43. | |
"to support recommending Vitamin D for reducing the risk of respiratory | :47:44. | :47:45. | |
Let's talk now to nutritionist Jenny Rosborough. | :47:46. | :48:00. | |
And also to Professor who is head of nutritional services at the | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
University of Surrey. Thank you for joining us. Tell us a bit more, | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
first of all, Jenny, about the benefits you think there may be on | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
vitamin D? So this particular research is looking at the benefits | :48:19. | :48:26. | |
of a supplementation of vitamin department on respiratory tract | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
infections like cold or flu, but we know that the proven consistent | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
evidence of vitamin D is much more round bone and muscle health. That | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
what our current recommendations are based on. Should everyone take it? | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
If there is a suggestion it helps, it won't cause you any harm? On in | :48:43. | :48:50. | |
excess it will cause harm but not in the amounts found in | :48:51. | :48:53. | |
supplementation. The recommendation is that even should take a | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
supplement in the winter months and in autumn, because we get a lot of | :48:58. | :49:00. | |
vitamin D from sunshine, obviously in the UK we don't get a lot that at | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
this time of the year, and for those population groups at risk they | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
should take them the whole year round, so people with darker skin or | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
who aren't exposed to sunlight as much. Susan, what do you think about | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
this research? Very much agree with your press conference speaker, it is | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
a very nice piece of work, that has been done by a very reputable group, | :49:24. | :49:34. | |
in London. It is a met a analysis, it is pulling together randomised | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
controlled trial, one of the interesting things with the study is | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
it shows the greatest effect in those who have a vitamin D status | :49:44. | :49:52. | |
less than 25 perlitre, that is what was... Sorry, put that in lay | :49:53. | :49:58. | |
person's language then. That is kind of like the cut off point for very | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
low vitamin D status, so what the study showed was the effect, it was | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
greatest in those with this very low level of vitamin D status and was | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
most ebeneficial in those who were taking a vitamin D supplement on a | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
daily or weekly basis, rather than a large bolus dose, a very large | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
amount taken at one time. OK. In terms of the best way to get vitamin | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
D, if you want it is it's a supplement, how else can you get it? | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
Apart from the sunlight and even that is tricky, in the summer we are | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
covering ourself in sun tan lotion, covering up because we are worried | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
about skin cancer risk so supplementation is what is | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
recommended. It is one of those vitamins we can't get easily from | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
food. It is in oily fish and egg yolks, they might be food people | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
don't consume. If you had an oily fish once a week. The recommendation | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
is we have fish twice a week but that is for different benefit, so | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
for the general public, yes, everyone really should have a | :51:17. | :51:23. | |
supplement. It is fort anied if -- fortified in sup products. Would you | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
still need a supplement? The general recommendation is still that we | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
should have this supplement. OK. Why is it, Susan, that vitamin D has | :51:34. | :51:41. | |
this effect? It seems? It is a very unusual nutrient in that our main | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
source is not diet, it is UV B ex pore sure, so the best way of | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
telling if you are in the right sunlight your shadow has to be | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
shorter than your height. That is a useful tip to remember for people, | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
so between really April and September, is when you would get | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
your vitamin D. In terms of it, so we talk about it as a vitamin, it is | :52:04. | :52:11. | |
not a vital aiming which is what the term vitamin means, it's a pro | :52:12. | :52:18. | |
hormone so it is made in the body. What we know about vitamin D is that | :52:19. | :52:25. | |
it has our cells in the body need vitamin D to work, so a number of | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
immune function cells need vitamin D to operate effectively. That is what | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
makes it so interesting as a nutrient to focus on. Thank you both | :52:37. | :52:38. | |
very much. Thank you. | :52:39. | :52:47. | |
Love actually has become one of Richard Curtis's most favourite | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
films. How did the tangled love lives of the characters play out. We | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
are about to find out possibly because members of the cast are | :52:58. | :53:03. | |
going to be reuniting for a short sequel ten minutes to raise money | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
for Comic Relief. In a moment we will speak to Emma Freud but let us | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
remind ourself of the original film. Here is is a bit of the famous scene | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
where the late Alan Rick man's character attempts to get a | :53:17. | :53:18. | |
Christmas present gift wrapped. Man's character attempts to get a | :53:19. | :53:39. | |
Christmas present gift wrapped. What's that? A cinnamon stick, Sir. | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
You won't regret it Sir. Wanna bet? We're delighted to be able | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
to speak to Emma Freud, script editor on Love Actually | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
and Director of Red Nose Day. Are you on the set right now? I am. | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
I have turned the camera round you can't see where we are. Do you mind | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
turning it back round? No. Quite busy here already. Tell us who is | :54:05. | :54:12. | |
there with you then? OK, Liam niecen, the most after tracktive man | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
in the world and slightly weirdly, younger looking now, than he was | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
when we first did the film 13 years ago. He is gorgeous, and Thomas | :54:22. | :54:29. | |
Sangster who was a 12-year-old boy who played his step-son, he is now a | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
great big boy, he is 26. And one other person I am not going to tell | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
you who. Our first day's filming we are going to do the whole thing in | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
five days, I think but this is day one, and it is going OK, we have | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
done the first take of the first scene, back to the second take, I | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
will grab Richard in a moment so you can say hello to him, but it is all | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
very exciting. Please do grab him any time you like. We would love to | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
talk to Richard as well. Can you tell us. Richard! Who else is going | :55:01. | :55:11. | |
to be in it Who have you said? I said Liam and Tom. Kiera and Andrew | :55:12. | :55:19. | |
is in it and Colin is in it and Hugh and Lucia, a lot of people. Emma | :55:20. | :55:27. | |
Thompson? Oddly, we are not quite sure, oddly. It is being done in a | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
great rush, I think not, but I am now thinking again, we will wait and | :55:34. | :55:42. | |
see. Bill is in it. Will all of our burning questions be answered? No. | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
OK, maybe not in ten minutes maybe you need to make a full sequel, | :55:49. | :55:55. | |
would you do that? No. Why not? The only reason this is happening is for | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
Red Nose Day, in Britain, and also for Red Nose Day in Americaings, | :56:01. | :56:03. | |
which is something we do now as well. So this is Red Nose Day. And | :56:04. | :56:13. | |
action! He has got a job to do. Did anyone say no, when you approached | :56:14. | :56:16. | |
everyone, what was their reaction, were they excited to be doing it? | :56:17. | :56:24. | |
Alan Rickman went very quiet. Other than that, no, nobody amazingly, | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
nobody said no. Liam flew over yesterday, from America, and is | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
going back tomorrow, so that is quite dedicated. No, it surprised | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
us, there is a lot of affection for the film. I know some people think | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
it's the worst thing put on celluloid but I think there is a | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
very warm feeling and it and the cast have enjoyed that over the | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
years I imagine, because they all said yes, which was great. Was it | :56:52. | :56:58. | |
easy to write? No, it wasn't, I think I have never opinion more | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
useful, the first draft he did was so bad, that I told him we | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
absolutely shouldn't do it and to abort the plan and he rewrote it, so | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
it has gone through a lot of pass, it is quite good now but very much | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
in Red Nose Day, the only point of it existing is in order to try and | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
draw attention to Red Nose Day and make money for our projects. That is | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
the only push in life. We have tried to hook it into that, that felt like | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
a crowbar at the beginning but it is sitting nicely now. That is good. | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
Can you give us some examples of what he put in the first draft that | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
was were so shocking? The same jokes again. He said they will be funny | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
because they are older, and no, that isn't good enough, he did the jokes | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
the first time, 30 years ago and they were find, you can't do it so, | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
we had to move on, I had to develop it a bit. There has to be progress | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
rather than revisiting the old gag, that wasn't going to work. Thank you | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
so much. March 24th: Red Nose Day. Enjoy the filming. Thank you. | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
I will see you same time tomorrow, have a lovely afternoon. Bye. | :58:12. | :58:31. | |
Donald Trump's first 100 days in the White House | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
are defining how he'll deal with the rest of the world. | :58:35. | :58:38. |