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Hello. It's Wednesday, 15th February.

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South Korea says it is certain that the half-brother

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of North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un has been killed in Malaysia.

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Kim Jong-nam died after an apparent poison attack

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in the airport in the capital, Kuala Lumpur, on Monday.

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No motive has been confirmed and the attackers have

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Malaysian police say he complained of being attacked by women who

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covered his face with a cloth full of burning liquid. He was then taken

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to the clinic at the airport and then brought to hospital, but he

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died en route. Nineteen million people in the UK

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aren't earning enough money to have an adequate quality of life,

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according to new research. Poverty campaigners

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the Joseph Rowntree Foundation say that a couple with children now need

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to earn a minimum of ?37,800 to get by properly and if you are a single

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parent you need ?35,707. We will be speaking to some

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of those feeling the pinch. Repeated blows to the head

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during a footballer's professional career may be linked to long-term

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brain damage, according to So is it time for a change

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in rules - especially Hello.

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Welcome to the programme. Also coming up, data exclusively

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given to this programme shows that there has been a massive jump

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in the number of abortion pills being bought online in mainland UK,

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even though using the pills without medical approval is illegal

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and which you may not know, could be punished

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with a life sentence. We will be finding out

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what is driving the increase, and, of course, we want

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to hear your experiences. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged Our top story today,

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South Korea has confirmed that the man killed in an apparent

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attack at an airport in Malaysia on Monday was the estranged

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half-brother of the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and they believe

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North Korean agents poisoned him. Police in Malaysia are

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studying CCTV footage Images from the footage have focused

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on two women seen alongside him, who were later spotted leaving

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the scene in a taxi. Was Kim Jong-nam poisoned

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by assassins as he prepared to board a flight in the Malaysian

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capital on Monday? Confusion and mystery surround

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the death of the half-brother Now South Korean officials say

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they believe he was murdered. TRANSLATION: The Government is

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certainly judging that the murdered person is Kim Jong-nam. Since this

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case is still being investigated we should wait for details until the

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Malaysian Government makes an announcement.

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Just before he died, Kim Jong-nam is reported to have

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told medical workers he was attacked with a chemical spray.

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Police are studying security camera footage from the airport.

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He had been long estranged from his half-brother

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the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, falling out of favour

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with the secretive regime and living in exile after he was caught

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sneaking into Japan on a fake passport.

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South Korea's acting president said if North Korea was responsible it

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would show the brutality and inhumane nature of the regime.

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TRANSLATION: The government is carefully watching

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North Korea's movements, acknowledging the fact this

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A postmortem is due to be carried in Kuala Lumpur later.

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A woman has been detained at Kuala Lumpur Airport.

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Our correspondent Karishma Vaswani has the latest on this story

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from the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur.

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I'm standing outside the morgue where the body of the man we believe

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to be Kim Jong-nam was brought by Malaysian police overnight.

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Since then, we've seen several police cars and a police van

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carrying away what we believe to be that body.

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On Monday, a North Korean national was taking off for a flight to Macau

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from KL Airport when Malaysian police say he complained

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of being attacked by women who covered his face with a cloth

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He was then taken to the clinic at the airport and then brought

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Malaysian police initially said that the man who died

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on Monday was Kim Jong-nam, the half-brother of North Korean

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There's a lot of confusion and speculation as to what's

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actually going on in this case, but Malaysian police have said that

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until a complete investigation and an autopsy of what happened

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is confirmed, they won't be saying much else.

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Reeta Chakrabarti is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The US media are reporting that members of President Trump's

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campaign team had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence

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officials in the year before the US presidential election.

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It follows the resignation of the National Security Adviser,

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General Mike Flynn, over allegations surrounding a phone call he had

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with a senior Russian diplomat before President Trump took power.

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General Flynn quit after it was revealed he had misled

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the White House over the nature of the call.

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It's alleged he discussed the future of US sanctions on Russia.

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Senior Republicans have joined calls for

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The number of abortion pills being bought online

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in Britain is on the rise, according to data shown to

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Government figures show 375 doses, sent to addresses in England,

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Wales and Scotland, were seized in 2016,

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Taking the pills while pregnant without medical approval

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We'll have more on that story at 9.45am.

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For the first time, a scientific study has found a possible link

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between head injuries and brain damage in former footballers.

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Researchers studied the brains of six former players who had died

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from dementia and then discovered that some of them had a form

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of the disease linked to repeated blows to the head.

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Our health reporter Smitha Mundasad has more.

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Jeff Astle, former England footballer who died in 2002.

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He had degenerative brain disease, linked to repeatedly heading

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His family have been campaigning for more research to find out

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whether lots of this can lead to long-lasting brain damage.

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In this latest study, scientists looked at the brains

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of six lifelong footballers who had developed dementia.

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When we examined their brains at autopsy, we saw the sorts

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of changes that are seen in ex-boxers, so the changes that

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are particularly associated with repeated head injury,

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which are known as CTE, chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

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So we have shown that head injury has occurred earlier in life,

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So we have shown that head injury has occurred earlier in their life,

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which presumably has some impact on them developing dementia.

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It's a small study, that can't prove a link between football

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and dementia and the scientists are clear their work did not analyse

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For the average adult footballer, who plays recreationally,

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experts at Alzheimer's Research UK say the risks are likely to be

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low and outweighed by the benefits of exercise.

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But the Football Association says one question that needs to be

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answered is whether degenerative brain diseases are more

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common in ex-footballers and the FA says that's research

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Several people are still unaccounted for after the explosion in Oxford

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yesterday which destroyed a three-storey block of flats.

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Three people were hurt in the blast, in the south west of the city.

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Two people were treated for minor injuries and one

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The cause of the explosion is still unknown.

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A Ukip press officer has offered her resignation after saying

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she was responsible for misleading personal information

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about the Hillsborough disaster on the website of party leader Paul

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Mr Nuttall admitted yesterday, in an appearance

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on Liverpool's Radio City Talk, that claims that he's lost

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a close, personal friend in the tragedy were untrue.

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He said he hadn't written or seen the information on his website

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People who have grown up in care are far more likely to die in early

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adulthood than those who haven't, according to figures revealed

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Although care leavers make up just 1% of all 19 to 21-year-olds,

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they accounted for 7% of deaths amongst that age group last year.

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It's thought poor mental health and difficulties accessing

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The Government says it is investing ?10 million in support

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A lack of sex and relationships education in some of England's

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secondary schools is creating a "ticking sexual health time bomb",

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The Local Government Association says pupils are not being prepared

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for adulthood and is calling for sex education to be compulsory

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Currently, all schools in England under local authority control have

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to teach the subject as part of the national curriculum,

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but a loophole means academies and free schools

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which are controlled by central government

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are not obliged to cover the subject.

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Harrison Ford has been involved in a near-miss while flying his

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The 74-year-old actor mistakenly landed on a taxiway

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where an American Airlines plane was waiting to take-off with more

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Peter Bowes reports from Los Angeles.

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It happened as Harrison Ford was coming in to land

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at the John Wayne Airport in Orange County.

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The Federal Aviation Administration confirmed that the pilot

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of a single-engine plane had been cleared to land and that he

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But instead of landing on the designated runway,

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Just before landing, Ford is reported to have asked

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the air traffic controllers "Was that airliner meant

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The Boeing 737 had 110 passengers on board, and took off safely

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An FAA investigation into the incident is under way.

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It could result in a suspension of Ford's pilot's licence.

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The golden couple of British cycling have announced

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Laura and Jason Kenny are expecting their first child

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as Laura revealed in an Instagram post yesterday.

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The couple are said to be thrilled and delighted and have thanked

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the public for the kind messages and support they've

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A group of kayakers in the Firth of Forth got more than he bargained

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for yesterday when a passing seal decided to hitch a ride.

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The cheeky mammal had followed the paddling group for a mile before

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The kayakers said it was an "amazing experience".

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

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Still to come - how much do you earn?

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And do you think its enough to get by on?

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According to poverty campaigners the Joseph Rowntree Foundation

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at least a third of us are living with an inadequate income.

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We will be talking to some of those feeling the pinch and, of course,

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

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Use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE and If you text, you will be charged

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And Barcelona suffering a rare thrashing last night. It is not

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often that Barcelona get beaten. There is beaten and there is being

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absolutely thrashed and they lost 4-0 in the last 16 of the Champions

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League at Paris St Germain and they're out of the Champions League

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now, aren't they? This is a team that won the European Cup five

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times. It is not often you see them be demolished like this. Have a look

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at the goals. This is the first last night. This player got two on his

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29th birthday. The first one was a free-kick.

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Then a second and then a third into the top corner. It was a birthday

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bonanza for PSG. We talk about Lionel Messi, it was

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like someone tied Lionel Messi, mistakes all over the pitch. Yes,

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the significance of this is this a real turning point for Europe's

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elite as we say Barcelona winning it five times before? We see them in

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the semifinals and the quarterfinals and the final, but they've got a

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huge task on their hands. No team has overturned a four goal, first

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leg, deficit in the Champions League. So all to do and their

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manager saying a disastrous night and we were clearly inferior.

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Pressure Will on Arsenal tonight because they are back in Champions

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League action? Yes Arsenal in Champions League action and Arsene

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Wenger not happy to be reminded really that they've got a poor

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record in the knock-out stages. The last six seasons they have failed to

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get past the last 16. They will be sick of the sight of Bayern Munich.

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Bayern Munich are seven points clear at the top of the Bundesliga.

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Despite their poor record Arsene Wenger saying there is no reason

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they can't put it right. I feel we have the experience. We play against

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a Bayern side every year the every year the same target is to win the

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Champions League and when you look at their record they are always

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basically in the last four. So it's a massive challenge, but I think we

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are capable of dealing with it. All the build-up and commentary for

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you on 5 Live sport. A former Sunderland striker in the Premier

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League. He has been told he has unethical hair. I don't know what

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you make of that. I think it is a three. I'm not quite sure. He's one

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of 40 players to have been found guilty of having unethical hair by

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the united Arab Emirates Football Association. They told a goalkeeper

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four years ago to cut his hair before a game. We're trying it get

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clarification as to why it is unethical. He was told he has to

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sort his hair out! We look forward to finding out what

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you found out about that. Thank you, Will.

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19 million people aren't earning enough

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to have an adequate quality of life, a rise of four million

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According to the report by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation,

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if you fall below the following levels you are not earning enough

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It's ?17,300 if you're single and renting

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If you're a couple with two children and living

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in social housing, you need a minimum of ?37,800 between you.

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Or staggeringly, if you're a single parent

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Let us talk now to a number of people who fall below those lines.

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Solomon Smith is a 31-year-old youth worker from London

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Alison Darby lives in London, where you need at least ?29,000

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She works two jobs and over 60 hours a week.

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Thank you for joining us. You are single with two children and I said

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you earned ?9,000 per year, that compares with the foundation saying

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that to be getting by, you should be earning 35,004 -- around ?35,500.

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Tell us what your lifestyle is why? It is hard. It is proper hand to

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mouth. Sometimes I pay my rent, my electric or my water, or sometimes,

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do I just get into the red? Now I'm used to seeing a lot of red letters.

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Tell us more about the specifics on how you get by. Obviously, they are

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fundamental things you are talking about not being able to afford. It

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is just like, you know, like today is payday and I know it is not going

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to be enough for my rent, the kids' school meals. It is just like,

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sometimes it is just heartbreaking. I also run a charity as well for the

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homeless. Sometimes I have two it where I work to make sure I can

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Super have enough food for the day. You know, it is just kind of living

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in 2017 and kind of experiencing what I'm experiencing is absolutely

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crazy. Allison, what is your situation? You are single with no

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children but you are working extremely hard and you are still not

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earning the level you need. I'm a postgraduate, I've got a degree, I

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went to university thinking it would help me get into a position where I

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could get a decent job. It was quite hard after I'd finished university

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because I went back quite late and I could not really find work anywhere

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and ended up waitressing for a while. Eventually got a reasonable

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job at the pay is not great. To subsidise that, I have to work on

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weekends at the local pub. Just to get enough money for travel and

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rent. What are the choices you have to make? To be honest, my rent is

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usually loads. My bills are included in my rent otherwise I could not

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guarantee the money would be there. I have to ask my parents for money.

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My mum is retired and my dad is working part-time. It is so hard,

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constantly having to worry about whether or not I can pay my rent, if

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I can get my travel money to work each week, and I don't even remember

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the last time I went away. I have no social life. My social life is the

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work at the pub. Has it always been like this for you? Has it got

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harder? It has just got harder. Like myself, I went to university,

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thinking that once I've finished, I would have a good job. It made it

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ten times worse. Then, you know, you have more bills, what is upon your

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head. The day I finished university, instead of celebrating, I got a

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letter saying I was in debt of ?40,000. I was thinking, how am I

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going to pay that? And you are building your debt because you are

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starting some month in the red. What about your debt levels? Now, seeing

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all the letters, easily up to ?70,000. Why do you think it has got

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worse, both of you? I think it is the lack of jobs. They say going to

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university would kind of encourage you to kind of get work but it is

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not like that. I think we have got to educate people that commie you

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know, there are thousands and thousands of people going to

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university, leaving university and not getting work. And ?50,000 debt

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which goes against you if you could try to get a mortgage. What policy

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decisions in the budget next month might make a difference? There

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should be more means testing and things. For me, I fall out of the

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category that would get any kind of tax credits or anything. I pay a lot

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of tax, because I work two jobs so 20% on one of them and whatever on

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the other. But I don't see any of it back. I pay for my prescriptions

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like everyone else, dentistry, like everyone else, travel, and it is a

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lot of money in London to travel to get to work. These kind of things.

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They just all add up. If there was a way to help someone who earns under

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?20,000 to lives in the city, that would be helpful to a lot of people.

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But we don't get that. Do you have any ideas on policy decisions? The

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best policy is to make the policy visible for everyone, because

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there's a lot of different funds that can help people. If you don't

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know about it, you will never know. That is one problem I have always

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had a problem with. I have had to do a lot of research to get a lot of

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help. And again, that is one of the main reasons why I set up my own

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charity, because there's a lot of support that people are entitled to

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and they just don't know. I think it is making those policies known to

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everyone and who is entitled to it can get it. I want to read some

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comments from people watching, Kelly has tweeted to say, "I'm definitely

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struggling financially, made redundant in 2013 and have been

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struggling ever since, debt is a major problem". Christopher says, "I

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just get ?60 per week from a cleaning job and ?20 on DLA and

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without my family I would not be alive". Matthew said on Facebook,

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"Predatory globalism and capitalism is a race to the bottom of the

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labour cost pile". Can you see things changing? You are trying to

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earn what you can but are there any obvious options? Short of searching

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and trying to find a better job which I don't have time to do and I

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love my job, I don't want to leave it. I'm not even sure there's a

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decent salary job out there. What do you do? I will read. It's unusual,

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it is like a vocation for you? I like it and enjoyed it and the

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people I work with our great. What do you do? Everybody in the country

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who died, there will come through the office and we compile

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information, give it to charities and government and things like that,

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inform charities when they get money. It is satisfying work. It is

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great. You don't want to change but you don't earn enough? Know so I

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have to work on the weekends and realistically, you can't do that

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forever, working seven days a week. What about living in London? The

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living costs are more expensive, too. Can you afford to stay in

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London? Not really, I pay ?1000 and ensuite room every month, which

:23:13.:23:15.

includes my bills but that is a lot of money, just for a room in zone

:23:16.:23:20.

two so I still have to get the train to work every day. Short of moving

:23:21.:23:25.

further out, I was in Whitechapel and had to move to Stratford because

:23:26.:23:29.

I could not afford to live in Whitechapel any more. Realistically,

:23:30.:23:32.

I will have to move further out and pay more travel. How do you see your

:23:33.:23:39.

options? To be totally honest, I don't know, I just feel it is not

:23:40.:23:45.

going to get any better. I have to keep an struggling. Any means of me

:23:46.:23:49.

trying to get money, working extra hours, sometimes I work until 4am,

:23:50.:23:56.

just to get extra hours. And you have kids? I have two kids. It must

:23:57.:24:02.

be very hard? It is so hard. So they can't have what they need basically.

:24:03.:24:09.

Yes, it is half term now and a lot of the vision, when it is half term,

:24:10.:24:14.

it is like Butlins and things like that, it proper hurts me to know

:24:15.:24:18.

that it is half term and the kids have got to stay at home. How old

:24:19.:24:24.

are they now? Seven and two and this is their prime time when they are

:24:25.:24:28.

asking me to go here and there but I can't do it. I asked you what you

:24:29.:24:32.

both thought the government could do in policy terms to help you but

:24:33.:24:36.

obviously, you are working, you are doing everything that you can to

:24:37.:24:42.

help yourselves. What responsibility do you feel the state has two you? I

:24:43.:24:48.

would definitely say that if you can see that we are not just sitting at

:24:49.:24:53.

home, mum and dad sitting at home, we are going out there and doing

:24:54.:24:56.

something, I think we should get some kind of support to see that

:24:57.:25:01.

they are trying and it is hard. And then we can kind of try to make it a

:25:02.:25:05.

bit easier for them. But I think they need to do a bit more to kind

:25:06.:25:10.

of see that there is a lot of people in dire need and still working. And

:25:11.:25:18.

the pressures on you? Most definitely. Thank you for joining

:25:19.:25:24.

us. And telling us about your experiences, and thanks for your

:25:25.:25:27.

comments. Keep your thoughts coming in.

:25:28.:25:31.

Does a career of heading footballs lead to dementia in professional

:25:32.:25:38.

footballers? New evidence suggests there could be a link. We will speak

:25:39.:25:41.

to the daughter of the former England striker Jeff Astle who says

:25:42.:25:44.

her father 's death could have been down to his days on the pitch. Also,

:25:45.:25:50.

data given exclusively to this programme revealed that more women

:25:51.:25:52.

in the UK are buying abortion pills online.

:25:53.:25:53.

We'll be speaking to the British Pregnancy Advisory Service

:25:54.:26:00.

Also about why they say it could be dangerous.

:26:01.:26:09.

Away from the row about Donald Trump's national security adviser,

:26:10.:26:15.

the administration has had a peace deal to Israel and the Palestinians

:26:16.:26:19.

may not come in the form of a two state solution.

:26:20.:26:19.

A White House official said the peace process was a priority

:26:20.:26:22.

for President Trump - but he did not want

:26:23.:26:24.

Mr Trump will hold talks with the Israeli Prime Minister

:26:25.:26:28.

Barbara Plett-Usher takes a look at what's on the agenda.

:26:29.:26:31.

This is a moment for Israel and America to take stock of their

:26:32.:26:39.

relationship. Here are Netanyahu and Trump's four priorities. First, this

:26:40.:26:42.

is a chance to reset Israeli-American relations at the

:26:43.:26:46.

top. Obama did not get on so well with Netanyahu but now... I think

:26:47.:26:51.

he's good, I like him, he's strong. And Trump has promised to be the

:26:52.:26:54.

most pro-Israel president ever. I'm the best thing that could happen to

:26:55.:26:59.

Israel. Be bred for lots of mutual admiration. I plan to speak soon

:27:00.:27:03.

with President, but how to counter the threat of the uranium regime

:27:04.:27:06.

which calls for Israel's destruction. At the top of

:27:07.:27:10.

Netanyahu's gender is Iran. Both leaders are fierce critics of

:27:11.:27:14.

Obama's deal to curb Iran's nuclear programme. This is a bad deal. It

:27:15.:27:21.

was the worst deal I've ever seen negotiated. Netanyahu wants to scrap

:27:22.:27:24.

the agreement and Trump is more likely to enforce it vigorously and

:27:25.:27:28.

taken of harder line against Iran. And then there is the battle against

:27:29.:27:32.

so-called Islamic State. Trump has roused to crush the group in Syria.

:27:33.:27:36.

Netanyahu is all for that. But he does not want any of this to spill

:27:37.:27:40.

over Israel's shared border with Syria. And Israel may want American

:27:41.:27:44.

help to foster covert cooperation with some Arab countries on

:27:45.:27:49.

counterterrorism and also on a shared desire to counter Iran.

:27:50.:27:55.

Finally, the hot ticket question, Trump's policy for peace with the

:27:56.:27:58.

Palestinians. He wants to know Netanyahu's plan. He is still

:27:59.:28:02.

forming his own and it seems to stray from bedrock US positions.

:28:03.:28:07.

They are support for a Palestinian state and opposition to Jewish

:28:08.:28:10.

settlements built on Israeli-occupied land expected to

:28:11.:28:13.

form part of that state. Trump the candidate said Israel should keep

:28:14.:28:17.

building but Trump the president has been cautiously rowing back. We

:28:18.:28:21.

don't believe the existence of current settlement is an impediment

:28:22.:28:24.

to peace but I think the construction or expansion of

:28:25.:28:27.

existing settlements beyond the current borders is not going to be

:28:28.:28:31.

helpful moving forward. Netanyahu is also seeking a better read on

:28:32.:28:35.

Trump's future decisions. Campaign promises are one thing. Complicated

:28:36.:28:39.

realities are another, especially if the president is a businessman who

:28:40.:28:43.

harbours hopes of making the ultimate deal on Middle East peace.

:28:44.:28:48.

Here's Reeta Chakrabaty in the BBC Newsroom

:28:49.:28:50.

Malaysian authorities say they have detained a woman from Myanmar

:28:51.:28:57.

in connection with the death of Kim Jong-Nam, the half-brother

:28:58.:28:59.

Kim Jong-nam died after an apparent poison attack in the airport in

:29:00.:29:10.

Kuala Lumpur on Monday. South Korea says they believe he was killed by

:29:11.:29:13.

North Korean agents. North Korea have not commented on the death but

:29:14.:29:17.

officials from the country's Malaysia Dempsey have been visiting

:29:18.:29:20.

the hospital in Kuala Lumpur where Mr Kim's body has been taken.

:29:21.:29:24.

The number of abortion pills being bought online

:29:25.:29:26.

in Britain is on the rise, according to data shown to

:29:27.:29:28.

Government figures show 375 doses, sent to addresses in England,

:29:29.:29:32.

Wales and Scotland, were seized in 2016,

:29:33.:29:33.

Taking the pills while pregnant without medical approval

:29:34.:29:39.

We'll have more on that story shortly.

:29:40.:29:49.

Ukip has rejected an offer of resignation from one of its press

:29:50.:29:55.

officers whose was responsible for misleading personal information

:29:56.:29:56.

about the Hillsborough disaster contained an -- website of party

:29:57.:29:59.

leader Paul Nuttall. Mr Nuttall admitted

:30:00.:30:01.

yesterday, in an appearance on Liverpool's Radio City Talk,

:30:02.:30:02.

that claims that he's lost a close, personal friend

:30:03.:30:05.

in the tragedy were untrue. He said he hadn't written or seen

:30:06.:30:07.

the information on his website Hundreds of people in

:30:08.:30:10.

the New Zealand city of Christchurch have been evacuated as wildfires

:30:11.:30:14.

threatened houses in its suburbs. A state of emergency has been

:30:15.:30:17.

declared and the military called in to help battle the blaze

:30:18.:30:19.

in the city's southern It is thought the fire has destroyed

:30:20.:30:22.

at least seven houses and forced Several people are still unaccounted

:30:23.:30:26.

for after the explosion in Oxford yesterday which destroyed

:30:27.:30:31.

a three-storey block of flats. Three people were hurt in the blast,

:30:32.:30:35.

in the south west of the city. Two people were treated

:30:36.:30:38.

for minor injuries and one The cause of the

:30:39.:30:40.

explosion is unknown. Although care leavers make up 1% of

:30:41.:31:03.

all 19 and 21-year-olds they accounted for 7% of deaths amongst

:31:04.:31:06.

that age group last year. It is thought that poor mental health and

:31:07.:31:10.

difficulties accessing support could be to blame. The Government says it

:31:11.:31:15.

is investing ?10 million in support for those leaving care.

:31:16.:31:21.

A lack of sex and relationships education in some of England's

:31:22.:31:26.

secondary schools is creating a ticking timebomb according to local

:31:27.:31:29.

councils. The Local Government Association says that pupils are not

:31:30.:31:33.

being prepared for adulthood and it is calling for sex education to be

:31:34.:31:39.

compulsory in secondary schools. Currently all schools under local

:31:40.:31:42.

authority control have to teach the subject. But academies and free

:31:43.:31:47.

schools, which are controlled by central Government, are not obliged

:31:48.:31:51.

to cover the subject. Harrison Ford has been involved in a near miss

:31:52.:31:54.

whilst flying his plane in California. The 74-year-old actor

:31:55.:32:02.

mistakenly landed on a taxiway at John Wayne Airport.

:32:03.:32:05.

An investigation is underway. That's a summary of

:32:06.:32:10.

the latest BBC News. We are getting latest unemployment

:32:11.:32:22.

figures through. Unemployment fell by 7,000 according to the latest

:32:23.:32:26.

official figures and the claimant count fell by 42 ,400 to 745,000.

:32:27.:32:33.

The Office for National Statistics putting the figures out. We'll bring

:32:34.:32:37.

you more detail. More detail on earnings as well coming through.

:32:38.:32:41.

Average earnings increased by 2.6% in the year to December which was

:32:42.:32:48.

down by 0.2% on the previous month. We had the inflation figures

:32:49.:32:51.

yesterday and inflation was up last month compared with December, up to

:32:52.:33:01.

1.8% from 1.6%, but average earnings increases, still outstripping that,

:33:02.:33:04.

increased by 2.6% in the year to December, but it was down by 0.2% on

:33:05.:33:09.

the previous month. So we'll bring you more on those figures and

:33:10.:33:11.

reaction to it clear. Here's some sport

:33:12.:33:15.

now with Will Perry. Barcelona were thrashed 4-0 in the

:33:16.:33:24.

last 16 of the Champions League by Paris St Germain last night.

:33:25.:33:36.

Benfica beat Borussia Dortmund. Arsenal in Champions League action

:33:37.:33:41.

tonight. They play the first leg of their tie to Bayern Munich. Arsene

:33:42.:33:45.

Wenger's side have been knocked out at this stage in the last four

:33:46.:33:51.

years. And Floyd May weather joinior denies

:33:52.:33:57.

reports that he agreed a bout with Conor McGregor. Mayweather retired

:33:58.:34:02.

from boxing in September 2015. McGregor has never fought a

:34:03.:34:08.

professional boxing match and says he wants ?18 million to fight

:34:09.:34:10.

Mayweather. We will see you later. Now, for the first time,

:34:11.:34:18.

a scientific study has found a possible link between head

:34:19.:34:21.

injuries and dementia Researchers studied the brains

:34:22.:34:23.

of six former footballers who had died from dementia,

:34:24.:34:26.

and discovered that some of them had a form of the disease,

:34:27.:34:31.

chronic traumatic encephalopathy, which is linked to repeated

:34:32.:34:33.

blows to the head. Before this study we have only had

:34:34.:34:35.

anecdotal reports that footballers might be more prone to develop

:34:36.:34:38.

dementia in later life. Let's show you pictures of the

:34:39.:34:53.

England World Cup winning squad in 1966. Some of the squad have

:34:54.:34:57.

Alzheimer's. Although we can't say they developed the condition from

:34:58.:35:00.

playing in the game, it is feared their illness could be linked to

:35:01.:35:05.

decades of heading traditional leather cased footballs.

:35:06.:35:09.

We can speak to Dawn Astle, the daughter of the former England

:35:10.:35:12.

and West Brom footballer, Jeff Astle.

:35:13.:35:13.

Jeff died at the age of 59 from a degenerative brain disease,

:35:14.:35:16.

which was linked to heading old leather footballs, and

:35:17.:35:18.

after reading the report, Dawn says there are hundreds if not

:35:19.:35:21.

thousands of other footballers out there suffering

:35:22.:35:22.

We also have Peter McCabe, chief executive of Headway,

:35:23.:35:27.

Dawn, you have been pushing for more research to be done into this. What

:35:28.:35:39.

is your reaction to this research? Well, sadly, I'm not surprised

:35:40.:35:47.

because when the coroner ruled back in 2002 that dad's job had killed

:35:48.:35:51.

him. He ruled industrial disease, it was then that the footballing

:35:52.:35:57.

authorities should have taken this really seriously because people were

:35:58.:36:00.

losing their lives, but when dad's brain was re-examined two years ago,

:36:01.:36:06.

it was actually found that he didn't have Alzheimer's, he had got CTE and

:36:07.:36:11.

he became the first British footballer to have been diagnosed,

:36:12.:36:16.

that was the reason for his death. And of course, we know that the

:36:17.:36:23.

disease has been found in NFL players and ice hockey players and

:36:24.:36:26.

rugby players and our question has always been, when it has been

:36:27.:36:30.

two-fold, one my dad was a footballer, how did he die of

:36:31.:36:35.

boxer's brain? The second one is have we got a problem with dementia

:36:36.:36:39.

in our former players? I really do think we have a serious problem. I

:36:40.:36:43.

mean obviously on that, there is no proper answer to that from this

:36:44.:36:48.

research because it is a small study and they are saying they need to

:36:49.:36:52.

carry out further research. If terms of your situation, when did you and

:36:53.:36:55.

your family first make a link between what happened to your dad

:36:56.:37:05.

and heading the ball? I think it was virtually straightaway as soon as

:37:06.:37:08.

dad was diagnosed. We couldn't understand how someone was so

:37:09.:37:11.

physically fit and all the brain cells were dying at the front of the

:37:12.:37:18.

brain. So it wasn't a surprise to us that the coroner's ruling of

:37:19.:37:21.

industrial disease, but I think what did shock us when the pathologist at

:37:22.:37:26.

the time stood in the court and described how badly damaged dad's

:37:27.:37:30.

brain was. He said that there was considerable trauma throughout the

:37:31.:37:33.

brain and it was the repeated heading of footballs that had caused

:37:34.:37:37.

it. And when dad's brain was re-examined two years ago and CT was

:37:38.:37:45.

found, the doctor Willie Stewart who performed or looked at dad's brain

:37:46.:37:49.

again, he actually said to us if he hadn't of known that he was looking

:37:50.:37:53.

at the brain of a man of 59, he would have thought he was looking at

:37:54.:37:59.

the brain of a man of at least 89 or in his 90s.

:38:00.:38:06.

We're talking about old-style footballs, leather footballs that

:38:07.:38:09.

would get rain sodden and would weigh up to 3lbs when sodden with

:38:10.:38:13.

water. Your dad, I think, described heading a football as being like

:38:14.:38:17.

heading a bag of bricks? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. He did used to say

:38:18.:38:22.

that, but it was part of the game and it was his job and that's what

:38:23.:38:27.

he did and he was brilliant at it and it's just, you know, just really

:38:28.:38:32.

sad and really tragic that when he died, you know, he was surrounded by

:38:33.:38:39.

England caps and his FA Cup winners medal and his League Cup medal and

:38:40.:38:43.

everything that he won in football, football had taken away because he

:38:44.:38:47.

died not even knowing that he had ever been a footballer.

:38:48.:38:54.

When industrial disease was mentioned by the coroner, did that

:38:55.:38:58.

then lead you down the path of thinking well, there should be

:38:59.:39:02.

compensation? Have you had any conversations about that? No, it

:39:03.:39:07.

wasn't. I mean it was a landmark ruling of its kind and I think in

:39:08.:39:13.

any other industry it would have had either quake repercussions for that

:39:14.:39:20.

industry in question. But it seems, football and its privileged status

:39:21.:39:25.

have been self governing and seem to wriggle out of it and that's wrong

:39:26.:39:29.

because all we wanted was answers. Answers as to why dad had died. What

:39:30.:39:36.

had killed him? And how many other players had been affected? We need

:39:37.:39:40.

to know. All the families of all these other former players need to

:39:41.:39:44.

know and more importantly, football needs to know. Peter, obviously

:39:45.:39:50.

still a lot of unanswered questions, but what is your view of this

:39:51.:39:54.

research and where it takes things? Well, I think Dawn has campaigned

:39:55.:40:00.

tirelessly to get answers to these questions and if it were my dad I

:40:01.:40:05.

would and wouldn't we all want answers to these questions and I

:40:06.:40:08.

think she deserves answers to these questions as do the other families

:40:09.:40:16.

and it's time the FA actually conducted a detailed and large scale

:40:17.:40:22.

study so that they can have answers. What would your concerns be? There

:40:23.:40:26.

will be people thinking my child plays football or I play football.

:40:27.:40:33.

What should people be thinking about heading footballs? I know in the

:40:34.:40:37.

United States there is a ban on kids under ten actually being able to

:40:38.:40:41.

head footballs. Would you like to see something similar here? Well, my

:40:42.:40:46.

two sons played football. And my grandson plays football and I played

:40:47.:40:50.

football and I remember heading the very heavy leather footballs and

:40:51.:40:53.

when they were wet, they were like heading a lump of concrete. So I

:40:54.:40:57.

think there are two issues. The first one is the families deserve

:40:58.:41:01.

answers to those questions. The second is, does this study, which

:41:02.:41:06.

analysed the brains of six former footballers in detail, give us

:41:07.:41:10.

sufficient evidence to make policy decisions about, you know, should

:41:11.:41:15.

youngsters be heading balls? I think the answer is there is not enough

:41:16.:41:19.

evidence with this study, but, you know, what it does clearly show is

:41:20.:41:22.

there is a need for further research. Now, football is such a

:41:23.:41:27.

wealthy game and you know, I have been looking back on old e-mails.

:41:28.:41:33.

Three years ago I put the football authorities this touch with so.

:41:34.:41:38.

Finest scientists in this field because they were asking about

:41:39.:41:41.

conducting research. So I went out of my way to find those people, put

:41:42.:41:46.

them in touch and absolutely nothing has happened and it's time that Dawn

:41:47.:41:51.

got her answers and parents would then be in a position to assess the

:41:52.:41:56.

risk and make sensible decisions going forward. I wouldn't want to

:41:57.:42:00.

discourage youngsters from playing football because there are so many

:42:01.:42:05.

health benefits, but we do need to get to the bottom of this. Dawn,

:42:06.:42:09.

what's your view, do you have a view on whether kids should be heading a

:42:10.:42:13.

ball? It's difficult because we need the evidence there to make informed

:42:14.:42:16.

choice, that's what it is about, it is about making informed choices and

:42:17.:42:21.

I think we all know, you know, the benefits of sports participation. We

:42:22.:42:26.

all know that. But brain damage must never be seen as a acceptable

:42:27.:42:31.

consequence of it. It must never be seen as that and that's why it is so

:42:32.:42:36.

vitally important that the research is conducted and if I can go back to

:42:37.:42:40.

the ball and yes, we know in dad's day it was incredibly heavy and it

:42:41.:42:46.

absorbed the water. But we know that there is no evidence to suggest that

:42:47.:42:50.

the modern day ball is any safer and that's purely because of the physics

:42:51.:42:55.

of actually heading the ball. The modern day ball was slow and heavy,

:42:56.:43:00.

but the modern day ball is lighter, but travels faster and the motion of

:43:01.:43:04.

the brain being rocked backwards and forwards inside the skull is still

:43:05.:43:07.

happening whether it be an old ball or a modern day ball. Thank you both

:43:08.:43:12.

very much. Let us know your thoughts on that as well. The usual ways of

:43:13.:43:14.

getting in touch. South Korea says it's certain

:43:15.:43:20.

that the half-brother of North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un

:43:21.:43:21.

has been killed in Malaysia. He was apparently poisoned in

:43:22.:43:24.

an attack at Kuala Lumpur airport. His brother Kim Jong-un has been in

:43:25.:43:33.

charge of North Korea since 2011. Let's take a look at what life

:43:34.:43:45.

in the secretive state is like. It is being claimed that Kim

:43:46.:47:01.

Jong-nam has been killed by North Korean agents. Why would they want

:47:02.:47:09.

to do that? It is largely because of what he may have said previously

:47:10.:47:17.

about his half brother. He has done interviews where he has been openly

:47:18.:47:21.

critical of him and many have believed that for North Korean spy

:47:22.:47:28.

agencies -- the North Korean spy agencies may have been trying to

:47:29.:47:32.

reach him for some time. Most North Koreans may not know this because it

:47:33.:47:37.

is a taboo subject inside their country, but Kim Jong-il, the father

:47:38.:47:40.

of the current leader, had married several times and had many children

:47:41.:47:46.

from different spouses. Ever since Kim Jong-il died, five years ago,

:47:47.:47:52.

his eldest son, Kim Jong-nam, has spent most of his time overseas,

:47:53.:47:57.

mostly in Asia. Many believe this was not by choice but from an

:47:58.:48:01.

enforced exile, based on rivalry with his younger half brother, Kim

:48:02.:48:06.

Jong-nam, the leader of North Korea. -- Kim Jong-il and -- Kim Jong-un,

:48:07.:48:16.

who has a record for brutality and is believed to have ordered the

:48:17.:48:20.

execution of his uncle in 2012. Are we ever likely to hear any proof for

:48:21.:48:26.

evidence if it is North Korean agents behind this? Already, there

:48:27.:48:34.

are fresh reports of a woman being detained as a suspect for the crime.

:48:35.:48:39.

The Malaysian authorities earlier had released a photo of a young

:48:40.:48:46.

Asian woman with heavy make up and casual clothes, believed to be one

:48:47.:48:51.

of the assailants. Now the local media is reporting that several

:48:52.:48:59.

others, possibly part of the same group, may be being pursued.

:49:00.:49:05.

Initially, the South Korean media sourced an unnamed government

:49:06.:49:07.

official that Kim Jong-nam was killed with a poisonous needle.

:49:08.:49:13.

Other reports in the Lazier mentioned a spray and the latest

:49:14.:49:17.

account seems to be that a woman had approached Mr Kim from behind and

:49:18.:49:22.

covered his face with a cloth laced with liquid. -- from Malaysia. There

:49:23.:49:27.

seems to have been some kind of physical contact with Mr Kimmince

:49:28.:49:31.

was waiting at the airport. But based on all of these reports, it

:49:32.:49:35.

seems highly likely an investigation is likely to take place, focusing on

:49:36.:49:42.

a deliberate attempt of murder through poisoning, and an autopsy

:49:43.:49:47.

may take place to reveal the exact cause of death. Some analysts

:49:48.:49:49.

believe this could have been a deliberate attempt at assassination

:49:50.:49:53.

by the leadership in Pyongyang. Thank you for joining us. Breaking

:49:54.:49:59.

News that we are getting from the courts, that Rolf Harris will face a

:50:00.:50:04.

retrial on three of the counts which a jury could not reach a verdict on

:50:05.:50:07.

in his trial. One charge which the jury could not reach a verdict on,

:50:08.:50:12.

he will not face retrial on, and he will also face another charge of

:50:13.:50:15.

indecent assault against one of the alleged victims. He will be facing a

:50:16.:50:21.

retrial on three counts after a jury could not reach a verdict in the

:50:22.:50:24.

trial which ended last week. Data exclusively given to this

:50:25.:50:32.

programme shows there's been a jump in the number of abortion pills

:50:33.:50:37.

being bought online in mainland UK, despite the ability to access legal

:50:38.:50:42.

services on the NHS. The British pregnancy advisory service says by

:50:43.:50:45.

taking the pill they have bought online, women face life in prison

:50:46.:50:48.

and they want the law changed. This is what we know.

:50:49.:50:50.

The number of women in England, Scotland and Wales buying abortion

:50:51.:50:52.

In 2013, five doses of the abortion pills were seized coming

:50:53.:50:57.

Under current law, taking the pills can be punishable

:50:58.:51:04.

by life imprisonment, no matter how far along

:51:05.:51:06.

Two women have been sentenced to time in prison.

:51:07.:51:12.

One terminated her pregnancy after 24 weeks and got

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The other was almost at the end of her pregnancy,

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But why would women take them when legal abortions

:51:21.:51:25.

are available in England, Scotland and Wales anyway?

:51:26.:51:29.

We've been hearing some anonymous testimonies.

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I'm in the UK, but it's impossible for me to get to a clinic due

:51:32.:51:34.

to having a disabled daughter that I just can't leave, and I have no

:51:35.:51:38.

Clinics have said I have to leave my daughter at home,

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but I have no one else at all to have her.

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I was hoping to have a termination in the comfort of my own home,

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without judgmental eyes and without worrying

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Being a foreign student, I can't afford this country's

:51:51.:51:57.

And the place in line for supported abortions is too

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I feel absolutely horrible and desperate.

:52:03.:52:07.

The British Pregnancy Advisory Service says it's time to bring

:52:08.:52:10.

women's reproductive healthcare into the 21st century, and remove

:52:11.:52:13.

Ann Furedi is the chief executive of the British Pregnancy Advisory

:52:14.:52:26.

Service and wants women to be able to buy the pills legally.

:52:27.:52:32.

And Scanlon works for a pro-life charity and believes abortion pills

:52:33.:52:35.

should be illegal. Dr Rebecca Gomperts is from Women

:52:36.:52:37.

on Web, who sell abortion pills Thank you for joining us. Rebecca,

:52:38.:52:50.

first, tell us why you are selling the pills online. Who is buying

:52:51.:52:54.

them? I just want to correct this. We don't sell pills online. This is

:52:55.:53:01.

an online service which is providing help to women that need it. So you

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connect people who want the pills... We sent e-mails to women all over

:53:08.:53:10.

the world, sometimes advising them to try to find medicines locally,

:53:11.:53:15.

and women from the UK, for example, we always referred to the existing

:53:16.:53:18.

abortion services that are there. But what we have noticed from the

:53:19.:53:24.

e-mails that we get is that a lot of women in the UK really have trouble

:53:25.:53:29.

accessing existing services. That is because indeed it is much too

:53:30.:53:34.

regulated, much too restricted. This problem can only be solved when

:53:35.:53:38.

medical abortions, for example, are available through a perception in

:53:39.:53:43.

pharmacies. Tell us then, the sort of women from the UK who are getting

:53:44.:53:48.

pills via your website. You say it is too regulated but abortion is

:53:49.:53:51.

obviously available legally in the UK, as long as you go to the doctor.

:53:52.:53:58.

And it is free on the NHS. Yes, it is free on the NHS but it is not

:53:59.:54:03.

always easy for women to access the free services. For example, foreign

:54:04.:54:08.

students don't have NHS coverage. They have to pay for their own

:54:09.:54:11.

abortions and sometimes it is up to ?500. Some of the illegal women that

:54:12.:54:18.

live in the UK, a woman that has emigrated and works as a cleaning

:54:19.:54:22.

lady somewhere, they don't have ?500 to pay for an abortion and they are

:54:23.:54:27.

not covered by the NHS. By the way, this is not just a problem in the

:54:28.:54:33.

UK. But I want to focus specifically on the UK so I want to bring in Ann

:54:34.:54:42.

Furedi, and the number of people getting these pills from U:K.'s

:54:43.:54:46.

increasing, to what extent? We heard about the numbers of pills that have

:54:47.:54:49.

been stopped coming into the country but we don't really know how many

:54:50.:54:53.

women are buying them. But it is ridiculous that women in this

:54:54.:54:56.

country should feel the need to do that. That is really where the crime

:54:57.:55:02.

is. There are two big problems. One is that these abortion pills, which

:55:03.:55:08.

are extremely safe and which effectively cause a very early

:55:09.:55:13.

miscarriage, they are incredibly safe for women to use and yet... But

:55:14.:55:17.

you can get them from the doctor, Kyron Duke, for an early miscarriage

:55:18.:55:21.

under medical supervision but where it is illegal is buying it online

:55:22.:55:25.

and people are using them when it is not for early miscarriage. No, the

:55:26.:55:29.

point is abortion in this country is only available in hospitals and in

:55:30.:55:34.

specially licensed clinics like ours. With this, you have a kind of

:55:35.:55:41.

medication that it is perfectly appropriate for a woman to use in

:55:42.:55:44.

her own home and yet she is required to either go to a hospital with the

:55:45.:55:50.

facilities or a clinic like ours. In other countries around the world,

:55:51.:55:54.

women can get them from their family doctor, or indeed, in some

:55:55.:55:57.

countries, they can get them on prescription from a pharmacist. But

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in this country, the problem is abortion, even when it is this early

:56:02.:56:09.

in the pregnancy, and it is a straightforward -- as

:56:10.:56:11.

straightforward as taking tablets come is as regulated as much later

:56:12.:56:21.

termination. But this is illegal, and Ann Scanlon, what is your

:56:22.:56:26.

perspective, should it stay illegal? The problem is, the women you have

:56:27.:56:29.

given examples of is that these people do not meet the criteria of

:56:30.:56:36.

the abortion act. And as you say, abortion has been decriminalised.

:56:37.:56:39.

Neither of these women would have been given an abortion in this

:56:40.:56:43.

country. It is very hard for me to imagine why someone who has a

:56:44.:56:46.

full-term baby, and I'm astonished that I would support that, should be

:56:47.:56:50.

able to abort a full-term baby in the comfort of their living room.

:56:51.:56:57.

Not specifically necessarily on that but abortion pills, if they are

:56:58.:57:00.

bought online at all by someone when they are using up -- them at an

:57:01.:57:04.

early stage, is it right to criminalise someone for that? I

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wouldn't like to see women criminalise but I would criminalise

:57:09.:57:12.

the providers. I was surprised to discover there are more than twice

:57:13.:57:15.

as many complications from medical abortions as there are from surgical

:57:16.:57:20.

abortions. I find it quite astonishing. That is not true. Look

:57:21.:57:25.

at the statistics. The Department of Health statistics, I looked them up

:57:26.:57:31.

yesterday. Hang on, let the response happen. It is simply not true. The

:57:32.:57:37.

point about these drugs is that they are less risky than many of the

:57:38.:57:41.

drugs that we buy over-the-counter in pharmacies. They are less risky

:57:42.:57:48.

than aspirin, for example. That is the cause of many deaths. However,

:57:49.:57:54.

the issue is, is that abortion is often not straightforward and no one

:57:55.:58:02.

wants women driven to buying tablets online and certainly, nobody wants

:58:03.:58:07.

women to be stepping outside of the law. But in this case, the law is

:58:08.:58:12.

constructive in a way that is archaic. Your argument is nonsense.

:58:13.:58:20.

Maggie Lieu we don't want women to be sent to prison. Let Ann Scanlon

:58:21.:58:28.

comeback on this. This woman to Jordan abortion at 39 weeks and it's

:58:29.:58:32.

about that last year there were 209 complications of medical abortions

:58:33.:58:35.

before a woman even left the clinic. I find it astonishing that an

:58:36.:58:39.

organisation who knows the health risks and the complications would

:58:40.:58:42.

even attempt to put women's lives at risk in this manner. I think it is

:58:43.:58:46.

astonishing. We are out of time but thank you for joining us. Let us

:58:47.:58:50.

know your thoughts on that. We'd love to hear from you if you have

:58:51.:58:56.

bought abortion pills online or thought about it. The usual ways of

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getting in touch. Let's get the latest weather

:58:58.:58:59.

update - with Matt Taylor. A sense spring in the air as part as

:59:00.:59:06.

the weather is concerned, 40 degrees on the Isle of Skye yesterday and

:59:07.:59:10.

close to that for one or two today. Rainfall south-west England and

:59:11.:59:12.

through the day it will spread its way into the south-east, the

:59:13.:59:16.

Midlands and North West by the start of the afternoon, reaching the

:59:17.:59:18.

eastern coast of England and South West Scotland by the evening.

:59:19.:59:21.

Blustery showers in Northern Ireland but staying sunny, could hit 13 of

:59:22.:59:26.

the Moray Firth, and brighter in Wales and the south-west later with

:59:27.:59:30.

13 possible here as well. A slightly milder regime but cooler tonight

:59:31.:59:33.

than last night across England and Wales with clearer skies and some

:59:34.:59:36.

mist and fog to the south but a mild night to come for Scotland and

:59:37.:59:39.

Northern Ireland with quite a blustery wind and occasional

:59:40.:59:43.

showers. Going into Thursday, the southern half of the UK largely dry

:59:44.:59:47.

with sunshine, mist and fog gradually clearing, lots more

:59:48.:59:50.

sunshine for England and Wales tomorrow. Scotland and Northern

:59:51.:59:53.

Ireland, passing showers every now and again, some of them on the heavy

:59:54.:59:58.

side and quite a wind. Temperature wise, should be about eight this

:59:59.:00:01.

time of year but most of you above that and the trend will continue

:00:02.:00:04.

through the rest of the week and into the start of next week.

:00:05.:00:06.

Temperatures above where they should be for the time of year and by

:00:07.:00:10.

Monday, one or two could be getting 16 or 17. Goodbye.

:00:11.:00:18.

A woman has been arrested in connection with the murder of Kim

:00:19.:00:34.

Jong-nam. Kim Jong-nam was believed to be

:00:35.:00:39.

attacked while he waited for a flight at Kuala Lumpur Airport.

:00:40.:00:43.

Repeatedly heading footballs during a player's career could be

:00:44.:00:45.

New research adds call for changes to the rules,

:00:46.:00:49.

The coroner ruled back in 2002 that dad's job had killed him. He ruled

:00:50.:01:02.

industrial disease. It was then that the footballing authorities should

:01:03.:01:06.

have taken this really seriously because people were losing their

:01:07.:01:07.

lives. Author Philip Pullman has

:01:08.:01:17.

announced the publication of the long-awaited follow-up

:01:18.:01:19.

to his best-selling His Dark The new trilogy is called The Book

:01:20.:01:21.

of Dust and the first novel will come out in October,

:01:22.:01:25.

17 years after the last instalment. Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom

:01:26.:01:32.

with a summary of today's news. In the last hour, Malaysian police

:01:33.:01:36.

have told the BBC they've arrested two people in connection

:01:37.:01:39.

with the death of Kim Jong-nam, the half-brother of North Korean

:01:40.:01:41.

leader Kim Jong-un. One of those arrested is a woman

:01:42.:01:43.

holding a Vietnamese passport. The other is a taxi driver who has

:01:44.:01:46.

since been released. Kim Jong-nam died after an apparent

:01:47.:01:49.

poison attack at the airport South Korea says they believe he was

:01:50.:01:51.

killed by North Korean agents. North Korea has not commented

:01:52.:01:55.

on the death but officials from the country's embassy

:01:56.:01:59.

in Malaysia have been visiting the hospital in Kuala Lumpur

:02:00.:02:01.

where Mr Kim's body has been taken. The macian authorities released a

:02:02.:02:22.

photo of a young Asian woman with heavy make-up in casual clothes

:02:23.:02:26.

believed to be one of the assailant's. Now the local media is

:02:27.:02:31.

reporting that several others possibly part of the same group,

:02:32.:02:40.

maybe being pursued. Initially the South Korean media sourced an

:02:41.:02:44.

unnamed individual that Kim Jong-nam was killed with a poisonous needle.

:02:45.:02:48.

Then other reports in Malaysia mentioned a spray and the latest

:02:49.:02:52.

account seems to be that a woman had approached Mr Kim from behind and

:02:53.:02:59.

covered his face with a cloth laced with a liquid. There seems to be

:03:00.:03:02.

some kind of physical contact with Mr Kim as he was waiting at the

:03:03.:03:08.

airport. But based on all of these reports, it seems highly likely an

:03:09.:03:13.

investigation is likely to take place focussed on a deliberate

:03:14.:03:17.

attempt of murder through poisoning and an autopsy may take place to

:03:18.:03:23.

reveal the exact cause of death. Some analysts believe this could

:03:24.:03:28.

have been a deliberate attempt at ais as is as nation by the

:03:29.:03:33.

leadership. -- ash assassination.

:03:34.:03:38.

Figures out this morning show that unemployment fell in the last

:03:39.:03:41.

The number of people out of work dropped by 7,000

:03:42.:03:44.

to 1.6 million in the three months to December.

:03:45.:03:46.

Meanwhile, average earnings rose by 2.6%

:03:47.:03:48.

That's down 0.2% on the equivalent figure for the previous month.

:03:49.:03:52.

The US media are reporting that members of President Trump's

:03:53.:03:54.

campaign team had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence

:03:55.:03:56.

officials in the year before the US presidential election.

:03:57.:03:59.

It follows the resignation of the National Security Adviser,

:04:00.:04:01.

General Mike Flynn, over allegations surrounding a phone call he had

:04:02.:04:04.

with a senior Russian diplomat before President Trump took power.

:04:05.:04:09.

It follows the resignation of the National Security Adviser,

:04:10.:04:18.

General Mike Flynn, over allegations surrounding a phone call he had

:04:19.:04:21.

with a senior Russian diplomat before President Trump took power.

:04:22.:04:23.

General Flynn quit after it was revealed he had misled

:04:24.:04:26.

the White House over the nature of the call.

:04:27.:04:28.

It's alleged he discussed the future of US sanctions on Russia.

:04:29.:04:30.

Senior Republicans have joined calls for

:04:31.:04:32.

Ukip has rejected an offer of resignation from one of its press

:04:33.:04:36.

officers who was responsible for misleading personal information

:04:37.:04:38.

about the Hillsborough disaster contained on the website of party

:04:39.:04:40.

Mr Nuttall admitted yesterday, in an appearance

:04:41.:04:43.

on Liverpool's Radio City Talk, that claims that he's lost

:04:44.:04:45.

a close, personal friend in the tragedy were untrue.

:04:46.:04:47.

He said he hadn't written or seen the information on his website

:04:48.:04:50.

Rolf Harris is to face a retrial on three sex offence charges

:04:51.:04:56.

following the failure by a jury at Southwark Crown Court

:04:57.:04:59.

The 86-year-old former TV personality will also face

:05:00.:05:02.

Last week, he was found not guilty on three counts,

:05:03.:05:07.

with the jury unable to reach a verdict on four other charges.

:05:08.:05:21.

Researchers studied the brains of six former players who died from

:05:22.:05:26.

dementia and discovered that some of them had a form of the disease

:05:27.:05:29.

linked to repeated blows to the head.

:05:30.:05:34.

The number of abortion pills being bought online

:05:35.:05:36.

in Britain is on the rise, according to data shown to

:05:37.:05:38.

Government figures show 375 doses, sent to addresses in England,

:05:39.:05:42.

Wales and Scotland, were seized in 2016, compared

:05:43.:05:44.

Taking the pills while pregnant without medical approval

:05:45.:05:47.

Hundreds of people in the New Zealand city of Christchurch

:05:48.:05:56.

have been evacuated as wildfires threatened houses in its suburbs.

:05:57.:05:59.

A state of emergency has been declared and the military called

:06:00.:06:03.

in to help battle the blaze in the city's southern

:06:04.:06:05.

It is thought the fire has destroyed at least seven houses and forced

:06:06.:06:11.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:06:12.:06:18.

Three-quarters of police forces in England and Wales say record

:06:19.:06:31.

levels of hate crimes were reported in the three months

:06:32.:06:33.

The European giants Barcelona are thrashed 4-0 in the last 16

:06:34.:06:56.

of the Champions League by Paris St-Germain to leave them

:06:57.:06:58.

in danger of failing to reach the quarter-finals for the first

:06:59.:07:01.

Angel di Maria scored twice for PSG on his 29th birthday,

:07:02.:07:04.

Then Julian Draxler smashed in a second before Di Maria curled

:07:05.:07:10.

Another PSG birthday boy Edinson Cavani and then sealed

:07:11.:07:15.

a famous win with a powerful fourth on the day he turned 30.

:07:16.:07:18.

In last night's other game, Benfica beat Borussia

:07:19.:07:20.

The goal scored by former Fulham striker Kostas Mitroglou.

:07:21.:07:30.

Arsenal play the first leg of their last 16 tie away to Bayern Munich.

:07:31.:07:36.

Arsene Wenger's side has been nobbled out of that stage in last of

:07:37.:07:43.

the six years. Despite their poor record, Arsene

:07:44.:07:45.

Wenger says there is to reason they can't put it right.

:07:46.:07:52.

I feel we have the experience. We play against Bayern every year with

:07:53.:07:56.

the same target. It is to win the Champions League and when you look

:07:57.:08:00.

at their record, they are always basically in the last four. So it's

:08:01.:08:06.

a massive challenge, but I think we are capable of dealing with it.

:08:07.:08:14.

Former Sunderland striker Asamoah Gyan is among a group

:08:15.:08:16.

of more than 40 players deemed to have "unethical hair" under

:08:17.:08:19.

United Arab Emirates Football Association guidelines.

:08:20.:08:21.

The Ghanaian is on loan at Dubai-based Arabian Gulf League

:08:22.:08:23.

In 2012, Saudi Arabia goalkeeper Waleed Abdullah was told

:08:24.:08:29.

to cut his "un-Islamic" hair by the referee before playing

:08:30.:08:32.

The BBC has asked for clarification on its guidelines

:08:33.:08:40.

Floyd Mayweather Jr denies reports he's already agreed a bout

:08:41.:08:45.

with Conor McGregor, but has called on the UFC champion

:08:46.:08:47.

Mayweather retired from boxing for a second time in September 2015.

:08:48.:08:51.

McGregor has never fought a professional boxing match

:08:52.:08:54.

There was double British success at the awards last night. Rachel

:08:55.:09:08.

Atherton won Sports Person of the Year and Leicester City won the

:09:09.:09:14.

Spirit of Sport Award. Leicester's manager was on hand to accept the

:09:15.:09:20.

award. The American gymnast won the Sports Woman of the Year gong. Usain

:09:21.:09:26.

Bolt took up a record equalling fourth award in the men's category.

:09:27.:09:31.

That's all the sport for now. I'll have the headlines at 10.30am.

:09:32.:09:36.

Rolf Harris is to face a retrial on three sex offence charges.

:09:37.:09:39.

He will also face another charge of indecent assault.

:09:40.:09:41.

Our correspondent Dan Johnson is at Southwark Crown Court.

:09:42.:09:43.

What can you tell us, Dan? A retrial on 15th May. There were four charges

:09:44.:09:53.

that the jury here last week at the end of his trial couldn't reach a

:09:54.:09:57.

verdict on. This morning, the Crown Prosecution Service has said it

:09:58.:10:01.

wants to take three of those charges forward to a retrial, but one of

:10:02.:10:05.

them will be split into two separate accounts. So there are four charges

:10:06.:10:09.

that Mr Harris faces. That new charge was put to him this morning

:10:10.:10:13.

and he pleaded not guilty. He has not been here in court. He appeared

:10:14.:10:19.

via videolink from prison because he is already serving a sentence

:10:20.:10:22.

because of convictions that he was found guilty of back in 2014. He was

:10:23.:10:29.

expecting to be released from that original sentence in July. So it

:10:30.:10:32.

appears the retrial has been scheduled to take place before that

:10:33.:10:35.

possible release so he should know his fate before he was originally

:10:36.:10:38.

expecting to be released from prison. This morning his defence has

:10:39.:10:42.

also raised with the judge the possibility of a further appeal

:10:43.:10:46.

against those original convictions. That's something they've already

:10:47.:10:48.

tried once and haven't been allowed to proceed with. Again, fresh

:10:49.:10:56.

questions were raised with the judge and a suggestion his defence team

:10:57.:11:00.

may push for an appeal of those convictions, but he will be fighting

:11:01.:11:03.

the trial expected to start here in May. Thank you very much, Dan.

:11:04.:11:11.

For the first time, a scientific study has found a possible link

:11:12.:11:14.

between head injuries and brain damage in former footballers.

:11:15.:11:16.

Researchers studied the brains of six former players

:11:17.:11:18.

who had died from dementia, and discovered that some of them had

:11:19.:11:21.

a form of the disease linked to repeated blows to the head.

:11:22.:11:24.

We can speak to former footballers Ian St John,

:11:25.:11:27.

Kevin Davies, Gordon Smith and child's football

:11:28.:11:29.

Thank you all very much indeed for joining us. Ian, I wanted to come to

:11:30.:11:40.

you first. You played for Liverpool from 1961 to 1971 and a large number

:11:41.:11:45.

of your former team-mates have got dementia, haven't they? Just tell us

:11:46.:11:50.

what you have seen. Well, I mean, we're talking about that age group

:11:51.:11:58.

that played at that time. Of my team-mates, six of them, six in a

:11:59.:12:04.

group of at that time, there wasn't big squads of players. I would say

:12:05.:12:08.

in a group of maybe 16 players you've got six of them that has got

:12:09.:12:14.

Alzheimer's. So, it is quite, you know, a large percentage I think.

:12:15.:12:17.

Yes, I mean the research today does not give a sort of definitive answer

:12:18.:12:22.

as to whether football would be the cause of that. It is a limited

:12:23.:12:29.

study, but from your experience anecdotally, the knock to the head

:12:30.:12:34.

that you would have taken playing and heading the old-fashioned

:12:35.:12:38.

leather footballs, what are your thoughts? Well, for people of my

:12:39.:12:43.

vintage, I would say, you know, all of the facts that we have got stand

:12:44.:12:49.

up. I don't know why the FA and the PFA have covered this up for years.

:12:50.:12:54.

I mean I talked about it to the PFA a couple of years ago and their

:12:55.:12:59.

answer was, "Well, women get Alzheimer's so therefore, it's not

:13:00.:13:05.

an industrial injury." With a football." It is a load of nonsense.

:13:06.:13:09.

I do think the studies that are being done now will prove the point

:13:10.:13:14.

that the heading the ball, that heavy ball, in our era, I don't know

:13:15.:13:19.

about today's light ball, in our era heading that heavy ball day in and

:13:20.:13:23.

day out, it is not the matches, it is training as well, so you're

:13:24.:13:28.

banging the heavy balls and the lads now, at this stage of their lives

:13:29.:13:34.

are either dying or have dementia. I want to bring in Kevin, you are a

:13:35.:13:40.

former player. Are you surprised about what the research is

:13:41.:13:44.

indicating potentially on there being a link between heading the

:13:45.:13:48.

ball and dementia? Good morning. I wouldn't say I'm surprised. When you

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start to look at the numbers in terms of professional players, the

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amount of contact they have with the ball, if you look at my career for

:13:55.:14:00.

instance, over 800 career games and you take into training and all the

:14:01.:14:04.

training methods and things, the numbers start to stack up, it could

:14:05.:14:08.

be between 10,000 and 50,000 times that you're heading the ball and

:14:09.:14:11.

listening to Ian, they are different. The ball has changed a

:14:12.:14:14.

lot. The training methods have changed a lot now. You see some

:14:15.:14:19.

sessions where you were hurling balls to the deaders and pinging the

:14:20.:14:23.

ball at pace for them to head the balls. It was scary at the time.

:14:24.:14:27.

That has changed and the style of football has changed a lot. But

:14:28.:14:30.

there needs to be more research and more evidence with the new

:14:31.:14:34.

footballs, they are lighter compared to back in the 50s and 60s. When you

:14:35.:14:41.

say it was scary at the time. Did you ever feel any effects of it? No,

:14:42.:14:46.

not particularly. I'm well renowned for heading the ball and we used to

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get the stats back, it can be between 45 and 20 times. The one

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that concerns me most is from the goalkeepers, ball if hand and the

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centre-back is coming to head the ball. You're challenging for the

:15:05.:15:09.

ball and there is the concussions, we saw Gary Cahill and Ryan Mason

:15:10.:15:14.

clashing heads and they could have long-term effects further down the

:15:15.:15:17.

line, but playing con tableg sport, there will be a ricks. We know that

:15:18.:15:22.

as sports machine and they are the risks we're prepared to take, I

:15:23.:15:28.

think. Do you think it is the job though of the gof rning bodies to

:15:29.:15:32.

look properly and maybe think about changes if there is a link?

:15:33.:15:37.

Yes, this is based on 14 players and they examine six brains, and in four

:15:38.:15:44.

cases, they are looking for the CD which they only can when someone is

:15:45.:15:48.

deceased. There is definitely better science available now, MRI scans,

:15:49.:15:52.

but to do more research into this will take another 15-20 years, I

:15:53.:15:57.

believe, if they start now. I think the PFA have got an expert

:15:58.:16:00.

concussion panel in place and are speaking to the FA and it is trying

:16:01.:16:06.

to divide the right methods and find a way of getting the right research

:16:07.:16:11.

done and how they will monitor that over a person's career. It needs to

:16:12.:16:17.

be done, and if there is a problem, it needs to be something we look

:16:18.:16:20.

into in terms of protecting young children. As a father myself, I

:16:21.:16:24.

don't see a lot of heading with young children and I know they

:16:25.:16:26.

banned it in the United States for under 11th. Having watched

:16:27.:16:30.

grassroots football for a number of years, I don't see a lot of children

:16:31.:16:34.

heading balls so it is not a bit -- major concern for me now. Nathan,

:16:35.:16:39.

you coach children playing football. What is your view of kids heading

:16:40.:16:46.

the ball? Just to reiterate some of Ian and Kevin's points, really, you

:16:47.:16:50.

know, the latest footballs that are used have come a long way since

:16:51.:16:57.

Ian's days and the technology around the ball, where it is more synthetic

:16:58.:17:05.

leather than a solid casing. But as Kevin said, in grassroots football,

:17:06.:17:08.

you don't see a lot of kids heading the ball and really, it is how much

:17:09.:17:13.

is done at training, obviously, you have to limit the amount and think

:17:14.:17:17.

about it. And obviously, with the findings and the studies, you have

:17:18.:17:23.

to take it into account. When you say you don't see a lot of kids

:17:24.:17:25.

heading the ball, if it actively discouraged? Oh, it is just because

:17:26.:17:33.

of the physicality of the children. -- no, it is just. Especially at the

:17:34.:17:39.

other end, they aren't going to kick it 20 feet into the sky for it to

:17:40.:17:44.

come down and other kids to be encouraged to head the ball. It is

:17:45.:17:49.

more round the fact it is never really off the floor. Gordon Smith,

:17:50.:17:55.

a former Scotland international and former chief executive of the SFA.

:17:56.:18:01.

Have the football associations, the professional bodies, been active

:18:02.:18:05.

enough on this? Not as yet but they are looking at it now. Certainly,

:18:06.:18:11.

going back to the fact I'm Ambassador of the Scottish youth

:18:12.:18:13.

football Association and they are looking at it because they

:18:14.:18:15.

understand what has happened in America regarding the ban on

:18:16.:18:22.

children heading the ball from 11 downwards. I agree with what Kevin

:18:23.:18:27.

and Nathan have both said, I see football at the younger level and

:18:28.:18:33.

because now the game has changed because it is seven aside until the

:18:34.:18:36.

kids are 12, the ball is very rarely in the air so the kids don't head

:18:37.:18:40.

the ball as much now as they used to, no doubt about that. The second

:18:41.:18:43.

aspect of it is the fact that the balls are different from Ian's day,

:18:44.:18:49.

coming into the game at first, the balls have improved a lot, they were

:18:50.:18:52.

very heavily and a lot of the damage was done because of those kinds of

:18:53.:18:55.

balls and people doing a lot of heading practice, no doubt about it.

:18:56.:19:04.

A recent study was done which had a few kids, a few young players,

:19:05.:19:08.

heading the ball 20 times each and then they did a test on them and

:19:09.:19:12.

they found that their memory had deteriorated over a 24-hour period

:19:13.:19:16.

after heading 20 balls. It shows you that there is still damage being

:19:17.:19:21.

done from heading able and an effect from doing it. -- a ball. Certainly,

:19:22.:19:26.

we need to stop and make sure the kids don't do it while their brains

:19:27.:19:32.

are developing and then maybe at an older age, we need to consider the

:19:33.:19:39.

fact it is as little as possible in training. So when you say make sure

:19:40.:19:43.

the kids don't do it, as in something as specific as the ban in

:19:44.:19:48.

the US? Yes, I think it will come in here. I think it will come to this

:19:49.:19:55.

country too. I would say from 12 years and other accommodation have

:19:56.:20:00.

no heading the ball at all. The -- 12 years and under, they should have

:20:01.:20:04.

no heading the ball. These concerns have been around a long time but

:20:05.:20:06.

this is the best research of its kind that has been done. Have the

:20:07.:20:10.

professional footballing bodies been remiss in not taking this issue

:20:11.:20:18.

seriously previously, and commissioning research? They have

:20:19.:20:21.

been, there should have been something on it. You can imagine

:20:22.:20:24.

some time in the future, there might be a scenario where each player has

:20:25.:20:30.

do sign a disclaimer to say that they know they are taking a risk and

:20:31.:20:33.

regardless of what happens to them in the future regarding brainpower,

:20:34.:20:37.

maybe getting Alzheimer's, that they sign a disclaimer to say that if

:20:38.:20:40.

they are playing football, they are taking a risk and therefore they

:20:41.:20:44.

will not sue the clubs because that is the biggest threat, that is why

:20:45.:20:50.

they are looking at it, they have introduced it in that part of the

:20:51.:20:53.

world in terms of doing something but a lot of people in this country,

:20:54.:20:57.

there should have been some kind of compensation for the relatives

:20:58.:21:01.

affected. What is your view on that, Ian? The issue of compensation for

:21:02.:21:06.

people playing from your era? That is actually the big point about the

:21:07.:21:12.

whole thing. The FA and the PFA are just hiding behind, you know,

:21:13.:21:16.

whatever facts they have got. They don't want to be paying out for what

:21:17.:21:19.

would be classed as an industrial injury. You know, I went to the PFA

:21:20.:21:26.

a couple of years ago on the same topic, two years ago and said,"

:21:27.:21:31.

friends of mine from Liverpool, they all seem to be getting dementia".

:21:32.:21:37.

They went, "OK, leave it with us", and they came back and said, "It has

:21:38.:21:40.

nothing to do with football because women get dementia". Of course they

:21:41.:21:48.

do but football and the footballs we headed for years caused this and

:21:49.:21:51.

they are denying it. They are in denial about it. Sorry to interrupt

:21:52.:21:57.

but you headed the ball, presumably. I did. Have you had any concerns

:21:58.:22:05.

yourself? I don't know how it works, why lads who headed the ball like I

:22:06.:22:09.

did, and I get a bit forgetful but I don't have the big problem. This is

:22:10.:22:15.

another thing, when they are doing all of these surveys, why don't they

:22:16.:22:20.

do one about goalkeepers? How many goalkeepers have got dementia over

:22:21.:22:24.

the years? Professional ones. If they did a survey, it would be

:22:25.:22:28.

interesting if there were none, which means that the goalkeeper, the

:22:29.:22:32.

only guy on the field who is not really heading the ball, who is

:22:33.:22:35.

eight -- is OK. It is the outfield players who get it. Should there be

:22:36.:22:41.

a ban on children under 12 heading the ball? I'm worried about that

:22:42.:22:44.

because my grandchildren play football and they are in that age

:22:45.:22:49.

group. I would say, they are changing the way the game is played

:22:50.:22:53.

at that level, no kicking the ball over head height and so on so you

:22:54.:22:56.

don't have too high it, keep it on the carpet and pass around. That's

:22:57.:23:01.

fine. It is a form of football but heading the ball as a whiz been a

:23:02.:23:05.

big part of football. Thank you for joining us. Let us know your

:23:06.:23:07.

thoughts on this as usual. Unemployment

:23:08.:23:10.

has fallen yet again, while the average amount people earn

:23:11.:23:12.

has gone up. We'll be getting some analysis

:23:13.:23:15.

on what these latest figures say Three-quarters of police forces

:23:16.:23:17.

in England and Wales say record levels of hate crimes were reported

:23:18.:23:26.

in the three months More than 14,000 offences were

:23:27.:23:29.

recorded between July and September. The Equality and Human Rights

:23:30.:23:36.

Commission said the findings suggested a small number of people

:23:37.:23:39.

used the Brexit vote to legitimise Our home affairs correspondent

:23:40.:23:42.

Dominic Casciani is here Tell us more about the figures. Last

:23:43.:23:58.

October, we had the first official figures, the first official attempt

:23:59.:24:00.

to work out what had happened after Brexit because we had all of those

:24:01.:24:04.

stories in the days after the vote that there had been attacks or

:24:05.:24:08.

harassment of minorities, particularly Eastern Europeans, in

:24:09.:24:11.

some parts of the country. The figures in October revealed about

:24:12.:24:15.

5500 incidents in weeks immediately after the referendum, 40% higher

:24:16.:24:19.

than the same period 12 months previously. Now what we have had is

:24:20.:24:26.

a three-month total, four July, August and September across all

:24:27.:24:31.

police forces. It tells us there were 14,000 hate crimes across the

:24:32.:24:35.

forces in England and Wales. There is no comparable data for Northern

:24:36.:24:39.

Ireland and Scotland. That means hate crime over that period was up

:24:40.:24:46.

about 27%. 33 of the 44 forces, three quarters, saw their highest

:24:47.:24:50.

ever levels of hate crime recorded, effectively since records began in

:24:51.:24:57.

2012. Ten of the forces saw rises over 50% although four did the fall.

:24:58.:25:03.

It is a very complicated picture and in theory, it looks like 2016 is

:25:04.:25:06.

heading for a record year but I don't think we can say that yet

:25:07.:25:09.

because there are discrepancies about how individual forces deal

:25:10.:25:13.

with the data and what they classed as a hate crime. In the core data

:25:14.:25:18.

which is the key offences of things like assault and harassment and

:25:19.:25:23.

aggravated criminal damage like to mosques and synagogues, that kind of

:25:24.:25:27.

things, there was clearly arise. What about geographical areas where

:25:28.:25:33.

there were rises? Can you draw any conclusions? It is interesting, what

:25:34.:25:36.

is going on, in percentage terms, Dorset and Nottinghamshire saw the

:25:37.:25:42.

highest rises, 100% and 75% respectively in the number of

:25:43.:25:45.

recorded incidents of people coming to them and saying what had

:25:46.:25:49.

happened. You have to be cautious because the numbers within that are

:25:50.:25:53.

quite small. Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire Police each recorded

:25:54.:25:57.

about 1000 incidents which makes sense because they are big

:25:58.:26:01.

metropolitan areas, Leeds, Bradford, Manchester and so forth. The

:26:02.:26:04.

Metropolitan Police, 3500 incidents in London. What we think is that it

:26:05.:26:11.

is difficult to drill down to what is happening across the country.

:26:12.:26:15.

Like looking at Merseyside, a good example, they had quite a strong

:26:16.:26:20.

Brexit vote but the rise in hate crime did not necessarily correlate

:26:21.:26:24.

with that. There will be lots of thinking by academics and police

:26:25.:26:27.

chiefs about what is really going on. And a word of caution, one thing

:26:28.:26:31.

the police think is happening is that there is increased reporting

:26:32.:26:35.

going on because more people are confident in coming forward and

:26:36.:26:38.

telling them what is going on. It is similar to sexual offences in that

:26:39.:26:41.

sense which had lower reporting for years but when the police started

:26:42.:26:45.

going out and telling victims of rape to come forward and say what

:26:46.:26:48.

happened, more people came forward and some of this rise may be

:26:49.:26:51.

ultimately down to that. Thank you for joining us.

:26:52.:26:53.

As we learn more about what happened to the half-brother of North Korea's

:26:54.:26:57.

leader, we'll be speaking to a writer and regular visitor

:26:58.:26:59.

to the country to find out what life is like in the secretive state.

:27:00.:27:03.

Fans of the fiction writer Philip Pullman better take a seat.

:27:04.:27:06.

The author has announced the publication of the long-awaited

:27:07.:27:09.

follow-up to his best-selling series, His Dark Materials,

:27:10.:27:11.

Reeta Chakrabarti is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:27:12.:27:23.

Malaysian police say they have arrested a woman and are searching

:27:24.:27:28.

for several other suspects as they investigate the sudden

:27:29.:27:31.

death of Kim Jong-Nam, the half-brother of North Korean

:27:32.:27:33.

Earlier, police said they released a taxi driver who they also arrested

:27:34.:27:39.

Kim Jong-Nam died after an apparent poison attack

:27:40.:27:43.

South Korea says they believe he was killed by North Korean agents.

:27:44.:27:48.

North Korea has not commented on the death but officials

:27:49.:27:51.

from the country's embassy in Malaysia have been visiting

:27:52.:27:53.

the hospital in Kuala Lumpur where Mr Kim's body has been taken.

:27:54.:27:57.

Figures out this morning show that unemployment fell in the last

:27:58.:28:00.

The number of people out of work dropped by 7,000

:28:01.:28:05.

to 1.6 million in the three months to December.

:28:06.:28:08.

Meanwhile, average earnings rose by 2.6%

:28:09.:28:11.

That's down 0.2% on the equivalent figure for the previous month.

:28:12.:28:26.

The US media are reporting that members of President from's campaign

:28:27.:28:30.

team had repeated contact with senior Russian officials in the time

:28:31.:28:33.

before the general election. It follows the resignation

:28:34.:28:37.

of the National Security Adviser, General Mike Flynn, over allegations

:28:38.:28:39.

surrounding a phone call he had with a senior Russian diplomat

:28:40.:28:42.

before President Trump took power. General Flynn quit after it was

:28:43.:28:44.

revealed he had misled the White House over the nature

:28:45.:28:46.

of the call. It's alleged he discussed the future

:28:47.:28:49.

of US sanctions on Russia. Senior Republicans

:28:50.:28:51.

have joined calls for Rolf Harris is to face a retrial

:28:52.:28:53.

on three sex offence charges following the failure by a jury

:28:54.:29:00.

at Southwark Crown Court to reach a verdict

:29:01.:29:04.

on them last week. The 86-year-old former TV

:29:05.:29:06.

personality will also face one He has pleaded not guilty. The

:29:07.:29:15.

retrial will take place on the 15th of May.

:29:16.:29:18.

Ukip has rejected an offer of resignation from one of its press

:29:19.:29:21.

officers who says she was responsible for misleading

:29:22.:29:23.

personal information about the Hillsborough disaster

:29:24.:29:24.

contained on the website of party leader Paul Nuttall.

:29:25.:29:26.

Mr Nuttall admitted yesterday, in an appearance

:29:27.:29:29.

on Liverpool's Radio City Talk, that claims that he's lost

:29:30.:29:31.

a close, personal friend in the tragedy were untrue.

:29:32.:29:34.

He said he hadn't written or seen the information on his website

:29:35.:29:36.

For the first time, a scientific study has found a possible link

:29:37.:29:49.

between head injuries and brain damage in former footballers.

:29:50.:29:51.

Researchers studied the brains of six former players

:29:52.:29:53.

who died from dementia, and discovered that some of them had

:29:54.:29:55.

a form of the disease linked to repeated blows to the head.

:29:56.:29:58.

The daughter of the former England footballer Jeff Astle,

:29:59.:30:00.

who died at the age of 59 from a degenerative brain disease,

:30:01.:30:12.

told this programme the study might help answer

:30:13.:30:14.

It is tragic that when he died, he was surrounded by England caps and

:30:15.:30:23.

his FA Cup winners medal and everything he had won in football.

:30:24.:30:27.

Football had taken away because he died not even knowing that he had

:30:28.:30:30.

been a footballer. The question has always been twofold, one, my dad was

:30:31.:30:39.

a footballer, so how did he die of boxer's brain? And the second is

:30:40.:30:43.

have we got a problem with dementia in former players? I really think we

:30:44.:30:48.

have a serious problem. We are getting news that a three-year-old

:30:49.:30:51.

boy has died after being knocked down by a tractor on a farm in Fife.

:30:52.:30:55.

The accident happened yesterday in the village of Crossgates.

:30:56.:30:58.

Join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11am.

:30:59.:31:08.

The European giants Barcelona are thrashed 4-nil in the last 16

:31:09.:31:12.

of the Champions League by Paris St-Germain to leave them

:31:13.:31:14.

in danger of failing to reach the quarter-finals for the first

:31:15.:31:17.

In last night's other game, Benfica beat Borussia

:31:18.:31:20.

The goal scored by former Fulham striker Kostas Mitroglou.

:31:21.:31:23.

Arsenal are in Champions League action tonight.

:31:24.:31:25.

They play the first leg of their Last 16 tie

:31:26.:31:31.

They play the first leg of their last 16 tie

:31:32.:31:33.

Arsene Wenger's side have been knocked out at the stage in each

:31:34.:31:37.

of the last six years, it's the fourth time they've met Bayern

:31:38.:31:40.

Floyd Mayweather denies reports he's already agreed a bout

:31:41.:31:43.

with Conor McGregor, but has called on the UFC champion

:31:44.:31:46.

Mayweather retired from boxing for a second time in September 2015.

:31:47.:31:49.

McGregor has never fought a professional boxing match and has

:31:50.:31:52.

said he wants ?80 million to fight Mayweather.

:31:53.:31:55.

I will have more sport for you on the BBC News Channel throughout the

:31:56.:31:59.

day. A woman has been arrested

:32:00.:32:03.

in Malaysia in connection with the death of the North Korean

:32:04.:32:06.

leader's half-brother. Police say she was held at the

:32:07.:32:16.

airport in Kuala Lumpur. It has been revealed a until of

:32:17.:32:20.

suspects are wanted in connection with the death.

:32:21.:32:27.

His brother Kim Jong-un has been in charge of North Korea since 2011.

:32:28.:32:31.

What does this mean for the so-called Secretive State

:32:32.:32:40.

and what is life like inside North Korea?

:32:41.:32:41.

Paul French is the author of North Korea: State of Paranoia,

:32:42.:32:44.

and has been a regular visitor to the country since 2002.

:32:45.:32:46.

Tell us first of all more about him, the half-brother? Kim Jong-nam is

:32:47.:32:56.

the oldest son of the former leader. He is a half-brother of choUng and

:32:57.:33:00.

he was going to be the next leader, but in 2001 he took a trip to Tokyo

:33:01.:33:06.

to visit Disneyland on a fake passport. He got busted at

:33:07.:33:10.

immigration. This was a massive scandal and it ended his ascendancy

:33:11.:33:15.

and choUng became the favourite to take over and did and since then he

:33:16.:33:25.

has been in disgrace. What a random event to lead to a change in the

:33:26.:33:29.

succession. What does something like that tell us about what goes on in

:33:30.:33:35.

North Korea? It tells us how close the Kim family want to retain

:33:36.:33:38.

control and don't want trouble. What seems to have happened is not a

:33:39.:33:42.

surprise to people who watch Korea. There was a long tradition in North

:33:43.:33:49.

Korea of abductions, kidnappings and assassinations and bombings of

:33:50.:33:58.

people in the political hierarchy. Would Kim Jong-nam have been seen as

:33:59.:34:03.

a threat? Well, this is the odd thing. Kim Jong-nam has made one or

:34:04.:34:08.

two comments about how he thinks the country should liberalise a little

:34:09.:34:11.

bit. How he thinks that they should open up the economy a little bit,

:34:12.:34:15.

but he hasn't said anything. He doesn't have any following. There

:34:16.:34:20.

isn't a great troop of fans around him in the dissident community of

:34:21.:34:25.

North Korea. Why now is the kind of question that everyone asks? It is

:34:26.:34:29.

not surprising that they assassinate people that they perceive to be a

:34:30.:34:34.

threat to the regime, but what made Kim Jong-nam so dangerous to his

:34:35.:34:47.

brother? Have you any thoughts? Perhaps someone thought he was the

:34:48.:34:52.

person that could lead that. He has visited Beijing several times and

:34:53.:34:57.

Beijing is unhappy with North Korea at the moment. They don't seem to be

:34:58.:35:03.

able to control them. If they thought it was some kind of coup

:35:04.:35:07.

attempt sponsored by someone else, another state perhaps, then they

:35:08.:35:12.

would have stepped in to nip that in the bud quickly. Would that be

:35:13.:35:18.

paranoia? You said where the speculation lies in terms of any

:35:19.:35:23.

regime change operations. Is there a sense that there is a sort of

:35:24.:35:28.

momentum? There is a sense of paranoia. There is a sense of,

:35:29.:35:34.

constantly purging. Constantly showing that people can disappear

:35:35.:35:37.

quickly in order to keep everyone scared and keep in control. The

:35:38.:35:42.

thing about the North Koreans, if there was to be regime change, he

:35:43.:35:46.

hasn't got anywhere to go. No one is going to want him. They won't give

:35:47.:35:50.

him a villa in the south of France. It will end very badly. So, there

:35:51.:35:55.

has been a tendency to try at the slightest sign of any resistance to

:35:56.:36:00.

as I say, nip it inned bud quickly and fatally. People living in North

:36:01.:36:07.

Korea, will they have any clue? No, word may filter in as word does, but

:36:08.:36:15.

it won't be on the news. In terms of the, I mean it is obviously a very

:36:16.:36:21.

secretive country. He rules it with an iron fist. What is life like

:36:22.:36:28.

there? Well, life is still pretty grim and it hadn't changed much over

:36:29.:36:33.

the last decades, really since the 1990s when there was a terrible

:36:34.:36:36.

famine. There is little food security. People still go hungry.

:36:37.:36:42.

There are lick theatrical plaque-outs and there is not enough

:36:43.:36:47.

med suns and it is cold in the winter. The leader pledged that he

:36:48.:36:56.

will improve life and give North Korea a nuclear weapon to protect

:36:57.:37:02.

itself. Last weekend we saw another missile test. They are getting

:37:03.:37:07.

closer to having a deliverable nuclear weapon. Little steps, how

:37:08.:37:11.

close? We know they can do a nuclear explosion and fire a missile, they

:37:12.:37:16.

can't put the tip on the missile and fire that, it is only a matter of

:37:17.:37:21.

time. Thank you very much indeed Paul French.

:37:22.:37:27.

Chris Nunn, is a British photographer who's been capturing

:37:28.:37:30.

the conflict in eastern Ukraine between government forces

:37:31.:37:32.

and Russian backed separatists which began in 2014.

:37:33.:37:34.

Earlier this month he was nearly blinded in one eye

:37:35.:37:37.

when the apartment he was in, was hit by a shell.

:37:38.:37:39.

His friend, a Ukrainian woman, whose apartment it was,

:37:40.:37:41.

Chris has given his first interview to our correspondent

:37:42.:37:45.

The vision in Chris Nunn's left eye is gradually coming back.

:37:46.:37:59.

I can see waving your hand like this.

:38:00.:38:01.

Chris has covered the war in eastern Ukraine as a photographer to a half

:38:02.:38:05.

But when he and his colleague visited a friend's flat earlier this

:38:06.:38:08.

I remember, the whistle and the explosion and I remember

:38:09.:38:12.

everything going yellow, this bright light.

:38:13.:38:15.

I remember just checking to see if I had arms and legs and hands

:38:16.:38:18.

Just moments before, with the electricity

:38:19.:38:25.

out, Chris recorded the fighting from his friend Elaine's apartment.

:38:26.:38:28.

This selfie is one of the last pictures of her alive.

:38:29.:38:34.

It just makes you understand the fragility of life

:38:35.:38:36.

out there, that things can just happen, just like that.

:38:37.:38:44.

We met her family grieving the following day.

:38:45.:39:00.

I have a daughter also, and when we fill

:39:01.:39:04.

better with Chris, we will go and speak

:39:05.:39:07.

to them about how we can help her son.

:39:08.:39:09.

Elena had lived here in the city of Avdiivka.

:39:10.:39:12.

It is where fighting with Russian backed

:39:13.:39:18.

separatists recently flared up again.

:39:19.:39:28.

The explosion outside Elena's apartment blasted this tiny

:39:29.:39:30.

fragment of plastic into Chris Nunn's eyeball.

:39:31.:39:32.

His doctor showed us video of the five-hour operation

:39:33.:39:35.

he performed to remove it and rebuild Chris' eye.

:39:36.:39:38.

Getting him quickly to one of Ukraine's top hospitals

:39:39.:39:44.

was crucial for preventing him being blind in one eye.

:39:45.:39:47.

TRANSLATION: If we had lost time, there would have been a 99%

:39:48.:39:50.

chance of him losing his sight completely.

:39:51.:39:55.

That's why we had to do the work in the first hours.

:39:56.:39:58.

We managed to extract the plastic and

:39:59.:40:00.

By the morning, Chris was able to count my fingers.

:40:01.:40:05.

Chris says he wants to keep photographing the people whose lives

:40:06.:40:08.

are trapped in the war zone of eastern Ukraine.

:40:09.:40:11.

He's raising money for Elena's family and he is lucky.

:40:12.:40:15.

The doctors think his full sight will return one day.

:40:16.:40:30.

Lots of you getting in touch on poverty and the research on the

:40:31.:40:36.

number of people who are trying to get by on salaries, an income, way

:40:37.:40:42.

below the level that the foundation says is necessary for an adequate

:40:43.:40:49.

lifestyle. Jen says my daughter is a 2-1 graduate and works hard, but is

:40:50.:40:54.

struggling to manage other mortgage and bills and has to choose between

:40:55.:41:00.

heating and eating. She has to work the extra hours to survive. There is

:41:01.:41:04.

no Government help and no permanent full-time jobs paying her the wage

:41:05.:41:07.

she needs. We told graduates that education is the key to a bright

:41:08.:41:11.

future. Clearly, it isn't for the vast majority with degrees. A

:41:12.:41:15.

texter, "I get ?130 a week from which I have to pay rent, feed and

:41:16.:41:20.

clothe myself. The answer, reduce MPs salaries by half. That will

:41:21.:41:25.

bring in millions." Christie tweets, "I think the figures are inflated.

:41:26.:41:30.

I'm below this poverty line and living fine." Another tweets,

:41:31.:41:39.

"In-work poverty, a phenomenon. Greed -- exploitation." Another

:41:40.:41:42.

viewer says, "If you can't afford to live in London, surely you have to

:41:43.:41:46.

move away." Another texter says, "I am a married man. I live on ?26,000

:41:47.:41:52.

and I have two cars and go abroad every year. I don't know where the

:41:53.:41:56.

reported figures come from." Thank you.

:41:57.:42:01.

The long wait by fans of His Dark Materials trilogy

:42:02.:42:04.

22 years after publication of the bestselling novels,

:42:05.:42:07.

the fantasy author Philip Pullman has revealed the story

:42:08.:42:09.

for The Book of Dust, which comes out in October.

:42:10.:42:12.

The original trilogy - Northern Lights, The Subtle Knife

:42:13.:42:14.

and The Amber Spyglass - is currently being

:42:15.:42:16.

The new series will return to the story of Lyra Belacqua,

:42:17.:42:20.

and will begin when the heroine is a baby, and move

:42:21.:42:23.

Philip Pullman has been talking to the BBC.

:42:24.:42:31.

The book of dust is something I have had in mind for a long time. The

:42:32.:42:40.

story of Lyra is finished, but there are other stories that can be told

:42:41.:42:43.

about the people in the book and the world of the book and one of them

:42:44.:42:47.

has been occupying my imagination for quite sometime. Sometimes when

:42:48.:42:52.

you write a story that comes before another story or after another

:42:53.:42:58.

story, people say is it a prequel or a sequel. It is neither. It is an

:42:59.:43:04.

equal. It is a different story. It begins roughly ten years before His

:43:05.:43:11.

Dark Materials and continues roughly ten years after His Dark Materials

:43:12.:43:17.

so we see Lyra as a baby. She is an important baby so all sorts of

:43:18.:43:21.

activity goes on around her and we see her in the second book as an

:43:22.:43:26.

adult. She is 20 years old. The ideal reader is someone who has read

:43:27.:43:31.

His Dark Materials or maybe read it as a child. That's not to say this

:43:32.:43:35.

book can only be read by people who have passed a test by reading His

:43:36.:43:41.

Dark Materials first. I felt one day I would write something that would

:43:42.:43:46.

be a success. Why did I feel that? Conceit, I expect.

:43:47.:43:49.

In our Brighton newsroom is the children's author

:43:50.:43:51.

In Huddersfield is Joanne Harris, who's an admirer of Pullman's work

:43:52.:43:55.

And in Oxford is Richard Ovenden, who's the head librarian

:43:56.:43:58.

at the Bodleian Library at Oxford University.

:43:59.:44:01.

Thank you very much for joining us. Joanne, I think you're a friend of

:44:02.:44:10.

Philip Pullman's as well. What is it that you love about the books? Well,

:44:11.:44:15.

I think they are wonderfully, beautifully written pieces of work

:44:16.:44:18.

and they cross over so well from children's fiction to adult fiction

:44:19.:44:22.

because they are peppered with so many literary reference that is

:44:23.:44:26.

children may or may not pick up. But there has never been any talking

:44:27.:44:30.

down to the audience with Philip Pullman's books. It has taken a long

:44:31.:44:34.

time for an equal. Why do you think it has taken so long? You are a

:44:35.:44:40.

friend of his? These things take time TA to be good they have to take

:44:41.:44:43.

the time that they take and it is very brave to announce that you're

:44:44.:44:47.

writing something and then to say well, you're not going to see it for

:44:48.:44:51.

years and years, but sometimes that's what you need because the

:44:52.:44:56.

readers deserve the best and they also will not give a book away if it

:44:57.:45:03.

is not finished. Have you discussed him writing this privately? No, but

:45:04.:45:08.

I've heard him talk about it and I've heard mention of The Book Of

:45:09.:45:15.

Dust and I was thinking I wonder when I get to read it? But you have

:45:16.:45:20.

to put that impatience aside. Do you think he felt pressure to follow up?

:45:21.:45:24.

I hope not. I think he's probably tougher than that. I would have felt

:45:25.:45:28.

an enormous amount of pressure, but no, I think he takes the time that

:45:29.:45:34.

he takes and that's right. Nick Tucker, are you excited about

:45:35.:45:35.

the new offering? Definitely because having read the

:45:36.:45:47.

trilogy twice and written a book about it, I'm still not absolutely

:45:48.:45:53.

sure what Dust is and he promises in the new book to finally nailed down

:45:54.:45:58.

this very fascinating but really quite ambiguous substance. So this

:45:59.:46:07.

will be a big publishing event. Already people on Twitter are

:46:08.:46:10.

terribly excited about it. Although he does not leave you dangling

:46:11.:46:16.

exactly at the end of book-macro, you want to know what is going to

:46:17.:46:22.

happen to Lyra and now we will know if she gets back together with a man

:46:23.:46:28.

she loves who happens to be living in another world. With something

:46:29.:46:31.

like this which is a phenomenon, people get very passionate about it.

:46:32.:46:35.

You are saying that you have read the books several times and there

:46:36.:46:37.

are things that you still don't understand. What is it about an

:46:38.:46:47.

author that becomes a phenomenon? It is when an author does not tie

:46:48.:46:55.

himself down to too much detail. , any particular idea of moment of

:46:56.:46:59.

history. If you can generalise with your writing, you can find that

:47:00.:47:05.

perhaps it has any relevance because it might refer to something that has

:47:06.:47:13.

not happened yet. Philip is a very ambitious writer. He is a wonderful

:47:14.:47:18.

storyteller but he is also full of ideas. Read one of his books and you

:47:19.:47:23.

are very entertained but you come out thinking about alternative

:47:24.:47:27.

parallel universes, about his fascination with quantum physics and

:47:28.:47:34.

string theory but all made very approachable by the genius of a

:47:35.:47:37.

storyteller who just makes you want to turn from the first page to the

:47:38.:47:41.

last. Richard, you are joining us from Oxford, from the Bodleian

:47:42.:47:48.

library. The work is interwoven throughout Oxford. Absolutely and

:47:49.:47:54.

one of the most exciting things about the promise of the new book is

:47:55.:48:00.

that for us in Oxford, it will be to see how the city and the university

:48:01.:48:03.

buildings, the great institutions like the Bodleian, the botanic

:48:04.:48:07.

Gardens and the museums are going to feature in the new story. One of the

:48:08.:48:13.

most incredible things about book-macro has been the way in which

:48:14.:48:23.

he has conjured -- about His Dark Materials is the way he's put

:48:24.:48:27.

together the magical world and the real world. We can walk around the

:48:28.:48:32.

city and think of passages from the books. The idea that we have got

:48:33.:48:37.

more to do a ranging from the Pitt Rivers Museum, or the physics

:48:38.:48:41.

Department, or suburban streets, the Bodleian, obviously, that is just an

:48:42.:48:49.

incredibly exciting thing, an exciting prospect in store.

:48:50.:48:53.

Particularly in these kind of very challenging times, to have this

:48:54.:48:57.

incredibly rich and stimulating imaginary world, this very

:48:58.:49:03.

compelling and moving story, to be able to go back into that world is

:49:04.:49:10.

just such an enticing prospect. Joanne Harris, how would you rank

:49:11.:49:15.

him as a writer? Where would you put him? He's a top class writer in any

:49:16.:49:22.

genre. Thank you for joining us. Fans will not have too much longer

:49:23.:49:26.

to wait when you think about how long it has been, many years but now

:49:27.:49:27.

it will be October. The latest unemployment figures show

:49:28.:49:29.

another drop in the number The figures include three months up

:49:30.:49:31.

to December show that unemployment Average earnings also increased

:49:32.:49:36.

by 2.6% in the year to December but that's down by 0.2%

:49:37.:49:42.

on the previous month. The employment rate,

:49:43.:49:45.

the proportion of people aged from 16-64 who were in work,

:49:46.:49:48.

was 74.6%, the highest since With me now is our economics

:49:49.:49:51.

correspondent Andy Verity. What do these figures say about the

:49:52.:50:06.

state of the economy? Good morning. We are seeing the same thing in a

:50:07.:50:10.

way that we have seen for a while, the unemployment rate is very low

:50:11.:50:14.

indeed, 4.8%, the lowest it has been since 2005. We are also seeing the

:50:15.:50:18.

same thing we have seen for years, the workforce is still growing. That

:50:19.:50:23.

rate is a proportion of an increasing workforce, 4.8% is low

:50:24.:50:31.

but still 1.6 million people. The workforce has been increasing

:50:32.:50:34.

largely because of immigration from EU access and states but what is

:50:35.:50:38.

interesting in the numbers is it suggests the increase in the

:50:39.:50:42.

workforce is slowing down. Whereas a few months ago, I would have been

:50:43.:50:44.

telling you that the workforce had grown by 500,000, now I can tell you

:50:45.:50:51.

it has grown by more like 300,000. The number of people coming from EU

:50:52.:50:55.

access and states, non-UK nationals coming from the rest of the EU was

:50:56.:51:01.

up by 190,000, still an increase but much less so than it was. We have

:51:02.:51:08.

not left the EU yet so why is this? No, we haven't but the office for

:51:09.:51:11.

National statistics does not give reasons for these numbers so you are

:51:12.:51:15.

left in the realms of speculation. You might suggest that perhaps the

:51:16.:51:20.

prospect of Brexit might put some EU access and state citizens of coming

:51:21.:51:24.

to the UK. Certainly we hear anecdotally from some companies that

:51:25.:51:29.

they have got a skills shortage, construction companies, retail

:51:30.:51:33.

trade, the hospitality industry, hotels, have all highlighted skills

:51:34.:51:36.

gaps and we know that those are the industries which rely on immigrant

:51:37.:51:40.

labour. But that is anecdotal evidence. We could use something

:51:41.:51:44.

more solid to try to establish whether migration from the rest of

:51:45.:51:48.

the EU has slowed down since the referendum. Thank you for joining

:51:49.:51:49.

us. Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott

:51:50.:51:51.

says women could be put off entering politics because of abuse suffered

:51:52.:51:53.

by female MPs. She's spoken out about her own

:51:54.:51:55.

experiences after recently receiving It's after Brexit Secretary David

:51:56.:51:58.

Davis appeared to say he would not try to kiss the Labour politician

:51:59.:52:06.

because he's "not blind". We can speak now to SNP MP

:52:07.:52:08.

Anne McLaughlin and Labour MP Dawn Butler, who have both

:52:09.:52:11.

suffered abuse themselves. Thank you for joining us. Tell us

:52:12.:52:24.

what views you have suffered. Well, I have to say, first, I've never

:52:25.:52:27.

suffered the level of abuse that Diane Abbott has. But yeah, it has

:52:28.:52:33.

been pretty bad, pretty nasty stuff but I have a method of dealing with

:52:34.:52:38.

it. When a deluge of tweets start to come in, usually about the time you

:52:39.:52:42.

say something, you stick your head above the parapet and say something

:52:43.:52:46.

that a group of people won't like, I get someone else to take on my

:52:47.:52:50.

Twitter account and stop reading it. You have to be able to do that to

:52:51.:52:53.

protect yourself from it. I get all sorts of advice on how I can improve

:52:54.:52:57.

the way I look, what I should do with my hair and my face, which

:52:58.:53:03.

includes putting a bag over it. And all sorts of nasty, personal stuff

:53:04.:53:06.

which has nothing to do with the job I am trying to do as the MP for

:53:07.:53:11.

Glasgow North East. What about you, what have your experiences been? I

:53:12.:53:18.

agree, you do suffer sexism and with me also, racism. You get told about

:53:19.:53:26.

what to do, your weight, your cleavage, what to wear, what not to

:53:27.:53:31.

wear. People are just completely vile sometimes. And with social

:53:32.:53:36.

media, it makes it worse because people know that they can get

:53:37.:53:40.

directly into your inbox and get to see those things. Blocking and

:53:41.:53:45.

muting are great buttons on Twitter but it will put a lot of women. It

:53:46.:53:51.

is not the first thing you think about when you are standing for

:53:52.:53:55.

election. You think about what you can do in society, the change you

:53:56.:53:59.

can make and you don't really factor into that that you are going to have

:54:00.:54:03.

to consider all of this abuse as you go along. Diane Abbott says she is

:54:04.:54:07.

worried it is putting women of politics. As it made either of you

:54:08.:54:14.

contemplate your career choice? I change what I do sometimes. We

:54:15.:54:21.

consider our security a lot more. You know, when we are going to

:54:22.:54:26.

events, we consider the make-up of that event, etc. I am more concerned

:54:27.:54:31.

for myself and my own safety. I think my younger self would not have

:54:32.:54:38.

put me. I would have liked to prepare myself for what it would

:54:39.:54:40.

feel like to be discriminated in that way and not just being a woman

:54:41.:54:46.

but a black woman. As I say, you don't really think when you go into

:54:47.:54:49.

Parliament that you would have to deal with all of that. Inside

:54:50.:54:54.

Parliament and outside. Inside Parliament? Have you experienced

:54:55.:54:57.

this inside Parliament? Yeah, you do. I talked about it before, when,

:54:58.:55:06.

you know, I was mistaken for a cleaner, or told not to go into a

:55:07.:55:13.

certain section because you do I think I am? Who says that to you?

:55:14.:55:19.

Fellow MPs have said that to me. Sorry, fellow MPs thought you were

:55:20.:55:24.

the clean-up? Yes, yes, I went into the lift and they said the lift was

:55:25.:55:31.

not for cleaners. Day, sorry to keep interrupting but I mean, this is

:55:32.:55:35.

extraordinary. More than one MP thought you were a cleaner? Tell us

:55:36.:55:41.

what happened. I went into the lift early in the morning and I had my

:55:42.:55:48.

coat on. I went into the lift, and there are separate lifts, one for

:55:49.:55:51.

MPs and one for everyone else, because we have to get to committee

:55:52.:55:55.

rooms quickly and somebody said, "I'm really sorry but this lift

:55:56.:56:00.

really isn't for cleaners". You know, I was quite stunned and

:56:01.:56:04.

shocked by that and I turned around and said, "Well, even if I was a

:56:05.:56:08.

cleaner, you are rude and ignorant, but in fact, I'm not a cleaner, I'm

:56:09.:56:14.

an MP". They just turned their back. There have been other cases where I

:56:15.:56:19.

have been going to take my team to have lunch and I have been stopped

:56:20.:56:23.

by a fellow MP asking me where I think I'm going. I said, "We were

:56:24.:56:29.

going to have lunch". He said, "This is only for MPs, who are you?" And I

:56:30.:56:36.

said, "Who are you?" You can stand up and have an argument but you have

:56:37.:56:39.

to choose your battles and this is why the whole culture of Parliament

:56:40.:56:43.

has to change. It is so important in the environment we are in now, that

:56:44.:56:48.

the Prime Minister takes a step to saying that this is just

:56:49.:56:53.

unacceptable for anybody, for MPs, researchers, visitors, it is just an

:56:54.:56:56.

unacceptable way to behave in a workplace. You are nodding. Dawn is

:56:57.:57:03.

very well able to stand up to people like that but why should she have

:57:04.:57:07.

do? Why should she have to stand up to that kind of rudeness, sexism and

:57:08.:57:14.

racism? My concern is about women who might want to go into politics

:57:15.:57:18.

but are put off and I know some of them because I've tried to convince

:57:19.:57:21.

them to go into politics because they would be really good at

:57:22.:57:24.

representing people and fighting for their rights but they have seen some

:57:25.:57:27.

of the stuff that I have had and they just can't bring themselves to

:57:28.:57:31.

do it. They think they could not cope with it. There are two things

:57:32.:57:35.

that need to happen. It needs to stop but until it does, we need to

:57:36.:57:39.

be looking at equipping women and anyone who suffers abuse to deal

:57:40.:57:45.

with it. We need -- I found ways of dealing with it and I want women to

:57:46.:57:48.

know there are ways of dealing with it. We almost out of time but

:57:49.:57:52.

obviously, good to have ways of dealing with it but what about ways

:57:53.:57:56.

of stopping it? You said you had some ideas. Mine are mainly about

:57:57.:58:00.

how to deal with it. I don't have ways to stop it, to be honest,

:58:01.:58:05.

because, you know, social media means anyone can say anything they

:58:06.:58:10.

like. For me, I had to learn how I respond to it. Thank you for joining

:58:11.:58:15.

us. We are out of time. Thank you for your company this morning. BBC

:58:16.:58:22.

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