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Hello. It's Friday.

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A major shake-up of broadband services for thousands of customers

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as BT says it will legally separate from Openreach.

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We'll find out what the decision could mean for you.

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No vote on tax rises for self-employed workers

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Theresa May says the changes will reform the national

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insurance system and make it "fairer and simpler".

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People will be able to look at Government paper when we produce it

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and take a judgement in the round and of course, the Chancellor will

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be speaking as will his ministers to MPs, business people and others to

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listen to the concerns. Also this morning, design

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and technology, music, German - just some of the subjects being cut

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at GCSE and A-Level by headteachers who say they're being

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forced to scale back And are we living in

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a golden age of satire? We'll talk to writers and performers

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who say politics in 2017 is providing more material

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than they ever thought possible. What's that doing in here? That's a

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plate of mashed potato. We are lucky that Trump will provide most of the

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jokes for the foreseeable future. Hello and welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11am. If you're a pupil or teacher

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in a school where subjects are being cut, do get

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in touch with us. Have you studied or taught

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one of the less popular Does it matter if the fewer people

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get to take it in the future? Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - use #Victoria Live and if you text,

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you will be charged It's been announced that

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British Telecom and its Openreach service, which runs the UK's

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broadband infrastructure, Telecoms regulator, Ofcom, says

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Openreach will become a distinct company with its own staff,

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management and strategy. Ofcom had been pushing for the move

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following complaints about poor levels of service and had threatened

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to force BT to legally Rory Cellan-Jones is our

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technology correspondent. Good morning. So, tell us more about

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why it is happening then. Well, this has been a long running battle.

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Critics says that BT's Openreach division which is responsible for

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the broadband infrastructure across the UK, a vital bit of

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infrastructure for all of us has not been doing a good job. Rivals like

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Sky and TalkTalk say they depend on it and they can't rely on it and it

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is biassed towards BT rather than them when it is supposed to be

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impartial. That its engineers don't turn up on time and then customers

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have been complaining that the roll out of fibre broadband services has

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been too slow. So, Ofcom has been looking at this for a while. There

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was a nuclear option where BT were forced to sell it off completely. It

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would become a separate company. I think they concluded that would just

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take a long time. BT would have challenged it in the courts. It

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could have taken ten years to complete. So this is the sub-nuclear

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option in a way. So it is a separate division. It is supposed to be run

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separately and they are supposed to be arm's length from the rest of BT

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and that's supposed to end up with a better service. Why would it end up

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with a better service? Why does separating them make those things

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that have been going wrong right? Well, that's the $64,000 question.

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The theory is without having to look over their shoulder, there has been

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accusations which BT denied that money they earn in Openreach is

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spent on things like football rights. We have seen BT spend a

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fortune this week on renewing its Champions League football rights.

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This will make it clear that that can't happen. It should, it is built

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into the process now that they are impartial so that they don't supply

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better services to BT when it is talking about customers, to Sky or

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TalkTalk or to any of the other people who are going to use that

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service. The question then is where would that money go? It could, I

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guess, go in terms of cuts to costs to customers or customer

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improvements. Are they going to be forced to do one or the other? They

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are going to have the same amount of money. It's more about the strategy

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and more about the attitude and the culture of the company. There has

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been a feeling that it has got too much of the legacy culture of what

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was many years ago, of course, a state run monopoly. Some of those

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habits have stayed with it and it will be leaner, quicker and more

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focussed. It has got one job, rolling out broadband across Britain

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and providing Britain with the kind of telecoms infrastructure it needs.

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It will be responsible for that. It shouldn't be worrying about whether

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it is delivering enough profits to the BT Group. It shouldn't in theory

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have that on its plate too. OK, we will see happens, Rory thank you

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very much. Does that bother you? Get in touch if you have got any

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thoughts on that one. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Labour has accused the Government

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of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said

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controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not

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be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes

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to national insurance, announced in the Budget,

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were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen

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to concerns before MPs voted Our Political Correspondent Alex

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Forsyth reports from Westminster. Theresa May defended the plans

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to increase national insurance contributions

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for some self-employed workers. She said the measures would ensure

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the tax system was fair, narrowing the gap between what employed

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and self-employed people paid. The shift towards self-employment

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is eroding the tax base. It is making it harder

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to afford the public services on which ordinary

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working families depend. This goes some way

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towards fixing that. Despite being announced

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in this week's Budget, MPs will not vote on the changes

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until the autumn as separate Critics accused the Prime Minister

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of a deliberate delay so the Government could soften

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the proposals and stave off a potential rebellion

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from Tory backbenchers But Mrs May stood firm saying

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the tax rise was necessary in light of the country's changing workforce

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and the timing would allow MPs to consider

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the measures in the round. A paper detailing the full effect

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of the national insurance changes will be published in the summer

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followed by the results of a review Let's talk about this with Iann

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Watson, Labour sense an opportunity to go on the attack here. Is Labour

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getting much traction with this? Well, I think in the end this will

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come down to the attitudes of the Conservative backbenchers. Labour

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are slow off the mark in criticising this on Budget day, but since then

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the Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, has called for this to be

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withdrawn and the Liberal Democrats as well. And certainly, where I

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think Labour can make an impact is talking to some of the Conservative

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potential rebels on this to see what pressure can be put on the

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Chancellor. But I think the timing, as Alex was saying, is crucial

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because it allows Theresa May to do two things. Firstly, publish the

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review into working practises which is likely to give, if you like,

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self-employed people more value for money from their tax rise, they

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might be getting maternity or paternity rights. If that isn't

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enough to buy off some of these rebels on her own side then there

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is, of course, uniquely this year two Budgets so the Chancellor could

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do something there and I have been speaking to some people who are

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displeased about this on the Conservative benches and one of them

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said very pleased to see attempts to soften the blow by perhaps looking

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at these new rights and benefits that people could get, but

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ultimately what they wanted to see was a delay in implementing the

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measure. So telling people they wouldn't have to pay the extra by

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2019. Whether the Chancellor will be prepared to do that is another

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matter because the more concessions he makes, of course, the less money

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that comes to the Treasury. Iani, thank you very much.

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Schools in England are being forced to cut GCSE and A-Level courses

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in an effort to balance the books, according to a head teachers' union.

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The Association of School and College Leaders has warned

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budget pressures are driving up class sizes and causing them

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to cancel activities such as social clubs and school trips.

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Our Education Correspondent Gillian Hargreaves reports.

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Peter Woodman at the Weald School might be a head teacher

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but he still likes to work at the chalk face, partly

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because he enjoys it but partly because it saves money

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The only reason we can survive is we are carrying forward

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And if the Government stick to their pledges over

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the next five years, with the cash flow and budgets,

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we will be making cuts to something like 70,000 every year,

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Peter is one of dozens of heads in south-east England who wrote

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to parents yesterday informing them of the impact of cuts.

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In a poll of more than 1,000 members of the ASCL union almost three

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quarters said they had to make cuts to GCSE or vocational courses

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The most common subjects to have been removed

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were design and technology, performing arts, music and German.

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I think really important parts of education will be cut.

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Class sizes will increase and I think they are probably

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already at capacity, teachers' jobs will

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I think the worry is it just places more and more pressure

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on the teaching staff so actually it is them that are going to have

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to end up working longer, harder to make this work.

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On average, heads said that the largest class size was now

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33 pupils however the Government said official statistics showed

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the average secondary class size has fallen over the past decade to just

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20 pupils and that ?40 billion has been spent on schools this year.

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Later on in the show, we will be speaking to educators

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about the pressures being faced by schools.

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European leaders are continuing the second day

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of their summit in Brussels today, but without Theresa May.

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The British Prime Minister left last night.

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The meeting was her last summit ahead of the formal triggering

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Mrs May was keen to downplay the situation, insisting that

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Britain will continue to play a leading role in Europe

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and offering suggestions on other topics including

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Issues expected to be discussed today include the economy,

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It has emerged that some detainees held at an immigration removal

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centre near Gatwick Airport have been there for as long

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Prison inspectors found that children had also been

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detained at Brook House which holds almost 400 adult male

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asylum seekers, illegal immigrants and foreign national offenders.

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The Home Office says some people prolong detention by trying

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Seven people have been injured in an axe attack at the main railway

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station in the western German city of Duesseldorf, police say.

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The attack happened at about 9pm local time yesterday.

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A 36-year-old man from the former Yugoslavia,

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suffers from psychological problems, according to Duesseldorf police.

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Patients and doctors have called for "do not resuscitate" notices

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to be replaced with orders that offer a range of treatments.

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Currently, "do not resuscitate" orders instruct medical

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professionals not to use intensive and invasive treatments

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if a patient's heart stops beating or they stop breathing.

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A British Medical Journal article says a number of options should be

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Makers of Game of Thrones announced the show will return for its seventh

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season in July. Fans watched an online video to see a block of ice

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being melt to see the air date which will be 17th July in the UK. It is

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the latest the show has aired as filming was delayed due to a lack of

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wintry conditions! That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30. Thank you. You're getting in touch

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on school subjects being dropped. Jonathan said, "I studied GCSE

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astronomy. I felt because it was not a key subject it was marginalised

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and I just learnt it was scrapped from next year." Another viewer

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says, "Attended son's year eight options evening last night. He will

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only be allowed to do nine GCSEs of which only two are his chosen ones.

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The rest are compulsory." Mike says, "If funding is not forthcoming many

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less popular subjects will be lost. I'm fed up hearing that fund is at

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its highest ever. I am a teacher of design and technology. Without this

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subject, no one would get confidence in DIY, we will not provide the

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spark and thrill of using tools and machinery, craftsmen, engineers and

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designers. DT can only run safely in smaller class sizes and therefore

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must be protected." Keep them coming in. We will be talking more about

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them soon. Now the sport with Hugh.

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British cycling admitted to failings in their world-class programme after

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a draft version of the independent report was leaked overnight. Let's

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find out more about what the report has said with Matt Lowton who has

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seen it and joins us on the phone this morning. Matt, first of all, it

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talks about a culture of fear at British cycling? Yeah, it does and

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we've been aware that that's the kind of tone that it was going to

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follow for sometime. It talks about a way that the world-class

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performance programme was run by Dave Brailsford and Shane Sutton. It

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will make for an interesting debate because as Dave Brailsford said

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recently he was medallists rather than sexist, I think, was the quote,

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and you know, it will open a debate about what constitutes hard coaching

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that delivers results and where that line is that a coach crosses in

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terms of the treatment of athletes, you know, it's a really interesting

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debate. You look at, you could look at a number of Premier League

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football managers and wonder if they, how they would fair under this

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scrutiny. It talks about Sir David Aylesford

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being untouchable and questioning the leadership wallet is of Steve

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Sutton -- Shane Sutton. This all started because of complaints made

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by Jess Varnish about and Sutton. This was the big thing form a full

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independent panel which has under this review which is yet to be

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published in its final version, it wasn't their remit to try and

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establish who was telling the truth between Jess Varnish and Shane

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Sutton, it was more the way that the internal enquiry into the Jess

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Varnish allegations were handled by British cycling. They appointed one

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of their board members to conduct the investigation. She came back

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with her findings and of the nine allegations, it appears that she

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found that more than one was upheld. In the end when they reported

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publicly the conclusions, they only upheld one of the allegations of the

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nine against Shane Sutton. What this report is saying is the British

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cycling board's handling of the situation was inept. They reversed

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some of the findings and they sanitised Alex Russell's report.

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Thank you very much for now. We should say that reduce cycling

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overnight said the world-class cycling programme focused without

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sufficient care to the athlete and environment.

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Thank you. A new warning from headteachers

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about the pressures on our They say schools are being

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forced to drop subjects, increase class sizes,

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and cut back on trips and after school clubs

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because of the funding crisis. The most common GCSE and A level

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subjects to be dropped was design and technology, said the Association

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of Teachers and Lecturers' poll That was followed by

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performing arts courses, music and languages,

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and art and design. The Government insists it's putting

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a record amount of funding into schools and in this week's

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budget unveiled new cash for existing schools and an expansion

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of the free schools programme. This morning, the Education

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Secretary Justine Greening will be addressing head teachers

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at their annual Lets get reaction to this,

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and talk to Carl Ward, the Chief Executive of an academy

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group in Stoke on Trent, and the Vice-President

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of the Association of School and College Leaders,

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Carol Herman, the head teacher at Shenfield High School in Essex

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and Jake Pinder, who is studying Furniture and Product Design

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at Nottingham Trent University. Thank you all very much for joining

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us. Karl, first of all, you are going to be on stage with Justine

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Greening at the conference today. What message do you want her to get?

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The funding crisis is real but I need to make a couple of points. The

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first point I would agree with the DFC is that there is far more money

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then there has ever been, that is because we have more students

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entering the system. Schools have been suffering with flat cash

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budgets for the last three years. They have been making real-time cuts

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because costs have increased. That is one of the biggest issues. Second

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one is with subjects being cut by schools, schools do not want to do

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that, but they are being forced into the back position because they have

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got to cut somewhere to decrease costs. The biggest issue there there

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is the problem with the accountability system. Many of their

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subjects we can talk about, music, DT and so on, are not... Any more.

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When schools have to make points. I also want to make clear the

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Secretary of State cares really deeply about this issue so we really

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need to get together to find a common solution for us all. Just

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spell out what is being cut and where? It is a survey by the

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Association of School and College Leaders. The reality is costs have

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increased. For example, in my main school, over the last year we have

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reduced hours laughing by ten staff, echoes the biggest area of costs for

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any school staffing and that is where you can make the biggest

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savings. Class sizes have increased from that active in certain areas.

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We are really looking at reducing as many costs as possible. For the last

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three years we have had to find ?350,000 from the current Budget to

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deal with increased costs. In the next three years I will have to find

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further ?150,000, in five years, that is ?500,000 out of the Budget.

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Every time teachers' pay increases and used money from the government

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to cover that. I don't any more. I have defined that from within the

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school Budget. Carol, you are a headteacher. Are you having to cut

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subjects? I am indeed. I am certainly considering it. The

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problem is even though we have a cat/ -- a flash cut Budget, we have

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to look at increased national insurance contributions, pensions

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contributions and a pension levy and so wonderful is top school like my

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own, Shenfield High School, obviously we focus on the core

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subjects. For many that is their ticket into further education,

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higher education and employment. But we are also known here for our

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excellent sport and performing arts. We have to look for a carefully. We

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will not cut those because it is absolutely essential to the nature

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of the school, but we are having to look very carefully at other

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subjects such as design technology. This is exacerbated by the fact that

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teaches don't want to train in the subjects any more, because the

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emphasis is far more on other subjects will stop its a real double

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bind. We may have to cut those slightly less popular subjects or

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ones with less kudos because of cost savings and actually, it is very

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difficult to recruit in those areas as well. It is a really tricky time

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for schools. Jake, you are doing a degree in furniture and product

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design and you studied design at GCSE and A-level, if you had not

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been able to study that what difference would it have made for

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you? It would have made it a lot more difficult to go to school. I am

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dyslexic and really struggle with English and maths and those core

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subjects. Because I had this outlet which was designed technology, it

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encouraged me to go to school altogether. So what do you think

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about the fact that it is being seen as expendable in the face of Budget

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difficulties? I think you will run the risk of isolating a lot of

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children that aren't maybe as academically minded, or pushing out

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people that are not good at subject, what are known as core subjects like

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maths and sciences. Sometimes, people need to be told they are good

:23:32.:23:35.

at something like a musician that cannot read or write or someone like

:23:36.:23:41.

me who was always good at drawing. That is all I enjoyed as well. It is

:23:42.:23:46.

difficult. Carol, as you are listening to Jake you are nodding.

:23:47.:23:52.

The Department Frederick and has put out a statement and it has said

:23:53.:23:56.

about that cash on schools is on record levels -- the Department for

:23:57.:24:01.

Education has put out a statement. Going on to look at practical ways

:24:02.:24:07.

of helping schools, they say we recognise that schools are facing

:24:08.:24:10.

cost pressures which is why will continue to use funding and look at

:24:11.:24:19.

best possible value. Are there other ways to make the money go further?

:24:20.:24:24.

We offer a good at getting the best value already and we have been doing

:24:25.:24:29.

that because we have had to. I think what is really frustrating is

:24:30.:24:32.

announcements such as the ones in the Budget where money is going into

:24:33.:24:36.

grammar schools and free schools, where actually existing schools are

:24:37.:24:40.

not being properly looked after. I would welcome conversations with

:24:41.:24:47.

Justine Greening and the Chancellor who is actually an ex-boy of

:24:48.:24:51.

Shenfield High School, pointing out what it is like on the ground. There

:24:52.:24:56.

is no evidence that grammar schools will support social mobility. We

:24:57.:25:00.

know only 3% of children in grammar schools are children on free school

:25:01.:25:05.

meals. It is not going to work necessarily. All the research is

:25:06.:25:10.

against it. Let's have a look at existing schools. We are absolutely

:25:11.:25:13.

committed to making sure we have a diverse, broad and balanced

:25:14.:25:17.

curriculum and that we are inclusive of all talents. If we have not got

:25:18.:25:22.

the right Budget settlements, we are forced because of our accountability

:25:23.:25:27.

is to look at being less diverse and less inclusive and that is a great

:25:28.:25:31.

site with. You said you wanted to talk to Justine Greening and Philip

:25:32.:25:34.

Hammond. We also would have liked to. We invited them onto the

:25:35.:25:44.

programme but they were unable to put anyone up for us. That is a

:25:45.:25:51.

great shame. The system as it stands is unfair and opaque and the changes

:25:52.:25:59.

mean half of England's schools will get a cash boost, how will that

:26:00.:26:03.

change the picture? I think it will change the pit your for those

:26:04.:26:07.

schools that get a cash boost. There are winners and losers in this is.

:26:08.:26:12.

There is going to be rebalancing overtime and it is important to know

:26:13.:26:17.

at the moment that the proposals out for the national funding formula are

:26:18.:26:22.

a proposal, we are in consultation period with that. That is why I

:26:23.:26:25.

think it is important that the government and education system need

:26:26.:26:30.

to work together to find a common area and common ground to move

:26:31.:26:35.

forwards. It is only working in corporation where we can use forward

:26:36.:26:40.

-- move forward most importantly to provide a fantastic education for

:26:41.:26:45.

students. I am a. I have two children. I have seen from the coal

:26:46.:26:49.

face, from eye on children who are at primary school at the moment, for

:26:50.:26:52.

example having to pay for after-school clubs. That should not

:26:53.:26:56.

be happening. If that primary school is in a position where they cannot

:26:57.:26:59.

provide after-school clubs because they have not got the money and

:27:00.:27:02.

parents have to provide that, then we have a pretty serious problem in

:27:03.:27:07.

the education system for funding. Martin has e-mailed and said I have

:27:08.:27:11.

been a teacher for six years and this doesn't is destroying the

:27:12.:27:17.

quality of education. I work in a rare community School and we worked

:27:18.:27:20.

incredibly hard. With the new cuts it will be impossible. Teachers are

:27:21.:27:24.

devastated to close down a level groups and often leave teaching

:27:25.:27:31.

altogether. If all we see is Budget cuts, it is released that. Chris is

:27:32.:27:34.

a performing arts teacher and he says please take education away from

:27:35.:27:38.

politicians. They know nothing about what is needed in schools. It is

:27:39.:27:42.

said to moralising to see idiotic decisions made without any thought

:27:43.:27:46.

consequences for the children and staff.

:27:47.:27:48.

It is actually heartbreaking. Do you think subjects like DT, German and

:27:49.:27:54.

music, subjects which are not necessarily that efficient for

:27:55.:27:58.

schools to teach because they do have fewer students, do you think

:27:59.:28:01.

they will disappear off the curriculum. I think there is a

:28:02.:28:09.

danger that they will. The issue is acute and they need to deal with

:28:10.:28:13.

things quickly. Because schools are coping but they will not down the

:28:14.:28:17.

line. The system will feed through like that and it will hurt

:28:18.:28:22.

everybody. I think it is a real shame that we are in a position that

:28:23.:28:25.

headteachers across the country in many schools are doing a fantastic

:28:26.:28:30.

job, under tough financial circumstances to keep these in

:28:31.:28:32.

place, and I think it is a real shame that they are having to make

:28:33.:28:36.

decisions to narrow the curriculum when they don't want to, and it is

:28:37.:28:40.

partly because of funding and partly because the accountability system

:28:41.:28:44.

now means you have got to make tough choices to do that. It is the wrong

:28:45.:28:49.

thing for children. Thank you all very much and do keep your comments

:28:50.:28:53.

coming in on that. They are always welcome. Still to come, it has

:28:54.:29:04.

emerged some detainees at a removal centre near Gatwick Airport have

:29:05.:29:08.

been there for 2.5 years. The Home Office as they do not want to detain

:29:09.:29:12.

people for longer than necessary. We will find out why they are being

:29:13.:29:15.

held for so long. And is it time to vacate the Houses

:29:16.:29:22.

of Parliament to carry out essential restoration? The old building has

:29:23.:29:26.

asbestos, leeks and electrical faults. Putting it right there will

:29:27.:29:30.

cost around ?4 billion. Let us know what you think about that. First of

:29:31.:29:34.

all, let's catch up with all of the news.

:29:35.:29:37.

Good morning. BT has bowed to pressure

:29:38.:29:40.

from telecoms regulator Ofcom to legally separate Openreach,

:29:41.:29:42.

which runs the UK's Ofcom says Openreach

:29:43.:29:44.

will become a distinct company with its own staff,

:29:45.:29:47.

management and strategy. It will also have to consult

:29:48.:29:49.

with customers such as Sky The regulator had been pushing

:29:50.:29:52.

for the move following complaints about poor levels of service and had

:29:53.:29:55.

threatened to force BT Labour has accused the Government

:29:56.:29:58.

of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said

:29:59.:30:08.

controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not

:30:09.:30:10.

be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes

:30:11.:30:12.

to national insurance, announced in the budget,

:30:13.:30:15.

were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen

:30:16.:30:17.

to concerns before MPs voted Schools in England are being forced

:30:18.:30:19.

to cut GCSE and A-Level courses in an effort to balance the books,

:30:20.:30:25.

according to a head teachers' union. The Association of School

:30:26.:30:28.

and College Leaders has warned budget pressures are driving up

:30:29.:30:31.

class sizes and causing them to cancel activities such as social

:30:32.:30:34.

clubs and school trips. Members of the organisation are due

:30:35.:30:38.

to raise their concerns with the Education Secretary,

:30:39.:30:41.

Justine Greening, when she addresses their annual conference

:30:42.:30:43.

in Birmingham today. European leaders are

:30:44.:30:53.

continuing the second day of their summit in Brussels today,

:30:54.:30:55.

but without Theresa May The meeting was the Prime Minister's

:30:56.:30:57.

last summit ahead of the formal Mrs May was keen to downplay

:30:58.:31:01.

the situation, insisting that Britain will continue to play

:31:02.:31:05.

a leading role in Europe and offering suggestions

:31:06.:31:07.

on other topics including Seven people have been injured

:31:08.:31:09.

in an axe attack at the main railway station in the German city

:31:10.:31:16.

of Duesseldorf, police say. The attack happened at about 9pm

:31:17.:31:20.

local time yesterday. A 36-year-old man from the former

:31:21.:31:22.

Yugoslavia, who suffers from psychological problems,

:31:23.:31:31.

according to Duesseldorf police. Protests are taking place in Seoul

:31:32.:31:34.

after South Korea's highest court upheld a decision to remove

:31:35.:31:37.

the country's president from office. Park Geun-hye was impeached over

:31:38.:31:40.

a corruption scandal, She will now lose her immunity

:31:41.:31:42.

against prosecution The decision was met

:31:43.:31:47.

by cheering in the streets from opponents of Ms Park,

:31:48.:31:50.

but her supporters Police say two people have died

:31:51.:31:52.

during protests outside the court. That's a summary of

:31:53.:32:00.

the latest BBC News. Thank you. Lots of you getting in

:32:01.:32:12.

touch on school subjects being cut. Brian says, "Cutting a subject like

:32:13.:32:15.

design and technology when the Government is announcing tech

:32:16.:32:19.

levels. Typical attitude of headteachers and other teachers

:32:20.:32:22.

thinking these subjects are irrelevant. I was a DT teacher for

:32:23.:32:29.

years before retiring. It is not woodwork which some teachers call it

:32:30.:32:34.

today." Vincent says, "There are not enough kids to take these courses so

:32:35.:32:38.

they are not cost effective. It makes common sense." Another teacher

:32:39.:32:44.

says, "I resigned from my post as the writing had been on the wall

:32:45.:32:49.

already. I was extremely happy or I am happy teaching at an

:32:50.:32:53.

international school in Brazil. No Ofsted, smaller class sizes and

:32:54.:32:57.

accommodation provided by the school and a culture that's healthy. Soon

:32:58.:33:01.

there will be a shortage of good teachers." So many of you getting in

:33:02.:33:06.

touch. Keep your comments coming in. We love to get them.

:33:07.:33:08.

Now the sport with Hugh. British Cycling have admitted

:33:09.:33:12.

to failings in their World Class Performance Programme after a draft

:33:13.:33:15.

version of the independent report into the sport's governing body

:33:16.:33:17.

was leaked overnight. It claims there is a "culture

:33:18.:33:19.

of fear" among staff at British cycling and that an internal

:33:20.:33:23.

British Cycling report following Jess Varnish's claims

:33:24.:33:24.

of sexism against former technical director Shane Sutton

:33:25.:33:28.

was "sanitised". Manchester United can claim they got

:33:29.:33:32.

a good result on a bad pitch. Henrikh Mkitaryan scored

:33:33.:33:36.

the away goal in a 1-1 draw at Rostov in the first leg

:33:37.:33:39.

of their Europa League England's cricketers,

:33:40.:33:41.

cruise in the Caribbean. Victory in the third one day

:33:42.:33:52.

international in Barbados secures It's emerged that some detainees

:33:53.:33:56.

at an immigration removal centre near Gatwick Airport have been held

:33:57.:34:07.

there for as long as Let's get more on this from our home

:34:08.:34:10.

affairs correspondent, Danny Shaw. Two-and-a-half years without charge?

:34:11.:34:21.

Yes. Because these are people who include foreign offenders, people

:34:22.:34:25.

who are asylum seekers who are waiting for their claims to be

:34:26.:34:28.

processed and people who are illegally in the country. It doesn't

:34:29.:34:31.

mean they have broken any law, but they have been detained at Brooke

:34:32.:34:35.

House immigration centre near Gatwick Airport. It holds 400 men

:34:36.:34:41.

and what we learn from this inspection report into Brooke House

:34:42.:34:46.

is that the average stay for detainees there has increased

:34:47.:34:50.

substantially. It is now a couple of months, two or three months the

:34:51.:34:54.

average stay and 23 people were held for over a year. Of whom four were

:34:55.:35:00.

held for longer than two years. And the longest stay was over

:35:01.:35:05.

two-and-a-half years. I've learned from this report, if you borough

:35:06.:35:09.

into the detail that two children were held at the centre mistakenly,

:35:10.:35:15.

they were categorised as adults by an immigration officer. They were

:35:16.:35:19.

held for two months. How old were they? We don't know their ages, but

:35:20.:35:23.

social services reassessed them and said they are children so they

:35:24.:35:26.

shouldn't have been held at a centre for adults. Why are people held for

:35:27.:35:32.

so long? Well, these decisions about whether someone is allowed to stay

:35:33.:35:35.

in the country or leave are difficult. They're tricky. They're

:35:36.:35:38.

not straightforward and once a decision has been made getting them

:35:39.:35:42.

to actually get on to a flight can be very difficult because they need

:35:43.:35:46.

documentation, sometimes the country to which they're going doesn't want

:35:47.:35:50.

to take themment flights have to be arranged and then the detainee

:35:51.:35:53.

themselves may have a number of different appeal processes that they

:35:54.:35:56.

are allowed to go through. So these are complex matters and they can

:35:57.:36:00.

take sometime. The Home Office is saying that some people are

:36:01.:36:04.

deliberately trying to frustrate the process and in doing so, they're

:36:05.:36:08.

prolonging their stay of detention. They are almost saying it is their

:36:09.:36:12.

own fault in some of the cases. Is there a finite period, I mean, the

:36:13.:36:16.

processes have to run out at some point. These four are still there,

:36:17.:36:23.

two-and-a-half years on, how much longer can they be there? They were

:36:24.:36:27.

documented as being there for that length of time. There is no time

:36:28.:36:32.

limit on how long someone can be held, but a review last year into

:36:33.:36:36.

immigration detention across the UK said, you know, that the use of it

:36:37.:36:41.

should be reduced because it is expensive. It costs ?34,000 per

:36:42.:36:48.

detainee per year and around half of those detained aren't removed.

:36:49.:36:52.

They're released back into the community and while you're detained

:36:53.:36:56.

in those conditions and Brooke House is akin to a prison in the way that

:36:57.:37:00.

it is set-up, why you're detained, you will see the welfare, the health

:37:01.:37:03.

of those people can deteriorate so there are concerns there.

:37:04.:37:05.

Thank you very much, Danny. A couple say they were ecstatic

:37:06.:37:15.

after having twins. Russia says it is doing

:37:16.:37:30.

everything in its power to organise a safe World Cup,

:37:31.:37:32.

without the violence that marred the European Championship

:37:33.:37:35.

in France last year. Russian hooligans were involved

:37:36.:37:37.

in street battles then, with England This week, Britain's top police

:37:38.:37:39.

official for football has been in Russia to check how safe

:37:40.:37:43.

it is for travelling fans. Sarah Rainsford reports

:37:44.:37:45.

from St Petersburg. In Marseille, English fans became

:37:46.:38:02.

one of the top targets for a new breed of Russian hooligan,

:38:03.:38:07.

more athletic, disciplined and organised than the English

:38:08.:38:10.

hooligans they once So this week Britain's top policeman

:38:11.:38:12.

for football was in Russia to compare notes on known

:38:13.:38:17.

troublemakers and to ensure security I think anyone watching that

:38:18.:38:19.

would have been absolutely appalled. What we need to do is build

:38:20.:38:24.

on the good working relationship and try to do everything to ensure

:38:25.:38:27.

that anyone coming to Russia Russia dismisses what happened

:38:28.:38:30.

in France as a one-off, and it insists that any talk

:38:31.:38:35.

of a hooligan problem It's clearly anxious,

:38:36.:38:38.

because of course the last thing Russia wants at the World Cup

:38:39.:38:41.

is embarrassingly empty stands. There has never been a single

:38:42.:38:45.

incident during major sporting events in Russia that proves

:38:46.:38:48.

that we can really We're not dangerous

:38:49.:38:50.

because hooligans in Russia, they worry about fighting

:38:51.:38:57.

because the police can cage them and we can go to prison and it

:38:58.:39:00.

will be big problems here. The human rights lawyer Amal Clooney

:39:01.:39:17.

has urged the UN to act against so-called Islamic State

:39:18.:39:20.

by backing a UK-led investigation Speaking at the UN, Mrs Clooney said

:39:21.:39:22.

IS had declared it will "destroy" the country's Yazidi ethnic group

:39:23.:39:27.

through murder, rape She told the UN she wanted to know

:39:28.:39:28.

why no action had been taken. Mass graves in Iraq lie

:39:29.:39:35.

unprotected and unexhumed. Witnesses are fleeing, and not one

:39:36.:39:42.

Isis militant has faced trial for international crimes anywhere

:39:43.:39:44.

in the world. So I am speaking to you,

:39:45.:39:51.

the Iraqi Government, and to you, UN Member States,

:39:52.:39:55.

when I ask, why? Why is it that nothing

:39:56.:39:58.

has been done? I wish to speak directly

:39:59.:40:01.

to Prime Minister Abadi. On behalf of all Isis' victims,

:40:02.:40:06.

I call on you to send the letter to the Security Council requesting

:40:07.:40:12.

an investigation into Isis' crimes. Getting the UN involved

:40:13.:40:17.

was initially Iraq's idea, and finally taking action to make

:40:18.:40:20.

this a reality would silence those who doubt your commitment to bring

:40:21.:40:23.

Daesh to justice. And finally to all of the UN

:40:24.:40:28.

Member States, if this road to accountability through

:40:29.:40:32.

the Security Council is blocked, you must take initiative to secure

:40:33.:40:34.

accountability in other ways available to you under

:40:35.:40:38.

the UN Charter. Don't let this be another Rwanda,

:40:39.:40:47.

where you regret doing Later Ms Clooney and Yazidi genocide

:40:48.:40:49.

survivor Nadia Murad explained why I think you have to ask the Iraqi

:40:50.:41:02.

government why the Iraqi government hasn't acted

:41:03.:41:11.

to create this investigation. Clearly they're not able to do it

:41:12.:41:17.

themselves on the ground, you know? There are a grand total of 32

:41:18.:41:20.

forensic pathologists in Iraq to try and deal with all of these crimes

:41:21.:41:23.

that have been committed. We know that they are not able

:41:24.:41:26.

to conduct investigations and prosecutions themselves

:41:27.:41:28.

because there have not been any prosecutions of Isis members

:41:29.:41:30.

for crimes of sexual violence, for crimes committed

:41:31.:41:32.

against the Yazidis, international So there is no reason

:41:33.:41:34.

for them not to act. They have themselves asked for UN

:41:35.:41:41.

assistance and, even today, you heard the Iraqi ambassador ask

:41:42.:41:43.

for UN assistance with the investigation, so we have

:41:44.:41:47.

to translate these public statements into an actual deed that will make

:41:48.:41:50.

this happen on the ground, and that's why I made a clear call

:41:51.:41:53.

at the end directly to the Prime Minister of Iraq to say

:41:54.:41:56.

"Send a letter to the UN Security Council requesting this

:41:57.:42:00.

investigation and it will happen." It's not too much to ask,

:42:01.:42:05.

it's really not that difficult, it's in the interest not only

:42:06.:42:08.

of Yazidi victims but of all Iraqis, because all sects of Iraq has been

:42:09.:42:11.

victims of Isis's violence. There's no excuse

:42:12.:42:15.

for any further delay. Loads of you getting in touch.

:42:16.:42:38.

Louise says, "Why deny children of the subjects of their choice? We

:42:39.:42:43.

need all skills, not just academics. Teachers need to be seen as

:42:44.:42:48.

professionals and allowed to do their job without meddling about

:42:49.:42:52.

Government and Ofsted." Kathy says, "A payment was made about -- a

:42:53.:43:01.

comment was made about comment. We need funding for teachers to teach

:43:02.:43:05.

in the real-time of school to help the children to achieve the required

:43:06.:43:08.

level of maths and English." Keep your thoughts coming in.

:43:09.:43:16.

It's going to cost ?4 billion to fix the Houses of Parliament and stop

:43:17.:43:19.

this world-famous site slowly crumbling into the Thames.

:43:20.:43:22.

It is a huge amount of public money, but as these pictures show,

:43:23.:43:26.

the buildings are in a very poor state of repair.

:43:27.:43:34.

Is there any way of keeping the costs down?

:43:35.:43:40.

The influential Public Accounts Committee the most effective way

:43:41.:43:42.

of keeping costs down is by asking them all to leave the building

:43:43.:43:45.

for a whole six years, whilst works commence.

:43:46.:43:47.

But where should politicians go and should politicians think

:43:48.:43:50.

of going to a place other than the south of England

:43:51.:43:52.

Joining us now is the SNP's Philip Boswell who sits on the MPs'

:43:53.:43:57.

Public Accounts Committee and before becoming a politician was a surveyor

:43:58.:44:00.

The material that Parliament is made out of.

:44:01.:44:03.

And also Dr Faiza Shaheem, director of CLASS,

:44:04.:44:05.

the Centre for Labour and Social Studies.

:44:06.:44:07.

Thank you both for joining us. Philip, with your surveyor's hat on

:44:08.:44:16.

then, tell us why ?4 billion to fix what the issues are, what are the

:44:17.:44:21.

issues? Well, good morning Joanna. Well, first of all, it is a

:44:22.:44:26.

limestone which can be classified as sandstone, but the stone work is in

:44:27.:44:30.

poor repair, but particularly it's the services that cause a problem

:44:31.:44:34.

and water ingres. So there is lots of problems that have been storing

:44:35.:44:38.

up over the years and the decades in fact, although quite a lot of work

:44:39.:44:41.

has been done, there is a serious risk there could be a catastrophic

:44:42.:44:46.

failure, it could be electrical fire. It could be, it is something

:44:47.:44:51.

that the drains are regularly blocking up. It could be any number

:44:52.:44:54.

of things that cause an emergency situation whereby we would have no

:44:55.:44:58.

planned removal to another location which would cost even more. So it

:44:59.:45:02.

sounds like doing nothing is not an option? That's correct. How quickly

:45:03.:45:07.

would it need to be done? Well, there are a few options on the table

:45:08.:45:12.

at the moment and we need to understand that we're still at quite

:45:13.:45:16.

an early stage of development. The project is yet to find itself. We

:45:17.:45:21.

are looking at options or the project teams that will be put in

:45:22.:45:25.

place will be looking at various ogses, but you have to put better

:45:26.:45:29.

definition around that to understand what the true costs will be and to

:45:30.:45:32.

understand the works that will be carried out and of course, you have

:45:33.:45:36.

to select which option you prefer to go ahead with. So there is a lot of

:45:37.:45:40.

work still to be done. The ?4 billion isn't a quote to be signed

:45:41.:45:43.

off on, it is an estimate, but it is a mind blowing amount. I mean,

:45:44.:45:47.

obviously, it is a very special building. It's a big building. But

:45:48.:45:52.

how is ?4 billion the figure that's arrived at? Sp

:45:53.:46:01.

First we should be clear what the order of magnitude estimate is.

:46:02.:46:07.

There is very little definition about the exec nature of the works.

:46:08.:46:13.

The option, certainly, if you ask any quantity surveyor or project

:46:14.:46:18.

manager, they will automatically say that a full to count is the best

:46:19.:46:25.

option. There is a lot of work still to be carried out. We need

:46:26.:46:29.

disruptive surveys, dilapidation surveys. We need to get in to look

:46:30.:46:34.

at the amount of asbestos which is down there. The 36 rises which

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create a fire hazard. There is still a huge amount of work to be done

:46:44.:46:46.

before we can determine the optimum solution for this. ?4 billion is a

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lot of money but it is a world Heritage iconic building and it

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belongs to every citizen of the UK. So Faiza you look at this and see it

:46:58.:47:03.

as an option for MPs to move out of London for a while? Yes, when you

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look at the regional divides in this country and the inequalities which

:47:08.:47:13.

have been left gaping open for years, when you see the

:47:14.:47:18.

opportunities for politicians to be in Manchester or Birmingham,

:47:19.:47:21.

somewhere outside of London, at a time when people feel all editions

:47:22.:47:23.

are not speaking to them unless you live in London and the south-east,

:47:24.:47:26.

what an amazing opportunity this is at least in the interim to decamp.

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And what about the money? It is an important building and I understand

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that money has to be spent. We can think about how it has be done over

:47:44.:47:48.

time. I have not looked at the numbers in any detail. Maybe if we

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move Parliament out of London for some period of time maybe we can do

:47:53.:47:55.

the work slower, maybe that will make it cheaper? I do know. It is

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not a question of not investing in that building, it is a question of

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democracy and the opportunity to go back to some basic questions about

:48:06.:48:09.

why we have Parliament in London stock London has everything, a

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commercial centre, a financial centre, Eddisbury unusual to have

:48:14.:48:19.

all of in one place. -- it is very unusual to have all that in one

:48:20.:48:23.

place. Do you think there is an option to move out of London? It was

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an option and it is the consideration I would have some

:48:29.:48:32.

sympathy for. However, the Public Accounts Committee, we can look at

:48:33.:48:36.

the evidence that is but for us and since that option was removed prior

:48:37.:48:40.

to coming to public accounts, it is not an option we have been able to

:48:41.:48:46.

look at. So it is possible, it is not totally off the table? I believe

:48:47.:48:50.

it is an option which has been removed prior to any detailed cost

:48:51.:48:54.

estimates which have been carried out. It was initially mooted as a

:48:55.:49:00.

possibility but sadly it has been removed. There are other options.

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There are other sites. I asked several witnesses whether it was

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possible to partially decamp which is another edge and to make it

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cheaper or at least to keep some activity in the palace, but as I

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said earlier, no doubt the cheapest option and what we recommend is

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backing up that the joint committee found, that a full decamp would give

:49:25.:49:31.

us the best and most effective option. Thank you both.

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A couple have spoken of their joy after becoming parents to children

:49:36.:49:37.

conceived with the help of two lesbian surrogate mothers.

:49:38.:49:40.

Tracy and Pete Akoun suffered repeated miscarriages and fell

:49:41.:49:42.

victim to a con-woman as they battled to

:49:43.:49:44.

They then met Tricia Hunt and Kate Fruin-Smith,

:49:45.:49:47.

two lesbians who each have their own partners

:49:48.:49:49.

and children and live in different parts of the UK.

:49:50.:49:55.

The group came together, and Nyobi and Kenya who you can see

:49:56.:49:58.

here with Tracy and Pete, were born last summer

:49:59.:50:00.

Tracy is joining us on the line and Kate, one of these are but mothers

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is with us. Tracy, you had miscarriages and one failed

:50:20.:50:27.

surrogacy attempt. Before Kenya and Nyobi arrived, how were you feeling

:50:28.:50:31.

about the prospect of whether parenthood would happen to two? It

:50:32.:50:36.

is a dream which you think will never happen. It just seemed so far

:50:37.:50:46.

away for us. On top of the fact that our own personal losses, you feel it

:50:47.:50:57.

all slipping away. How did you find Tricia and Kate? I was actually

:50:58.:51:05.

brought into our closed group Hope by another surrogates who is

:51:06.:51:09.

obviously now a very good friend of ours and I got talking to Kate and

:51:10.:51:15.

Tricia as friends in the group that way. And then when things went wrong

:51:16.:51:23.

with our initial Farragut, they stepped in -- when things went wrong

:51:24.:51:30.

with our initial surrogates. Kate had got the all clear from her

:51:31.:51:34.

consultant to be a surrogate again and we got talking and that is when

:51:35.:51:40.

it happened. Were you intending to try for two babies at once ordered

:51:41.:51:45.

that just happened? ... Pete and I decided we wanted two. We took in

:51:46.:51:50.

consideration our age and the fact that Pete is a twin, he wanted his

:51:51.:51:55.

children close together. We just felt that is what we wanted for us

:51:56.:52:01.

as a family. Kate, you obviously were one of the surrogates mums, you

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had done it previously? Yes, my first surrogate baby is nearly three

:52:07.:52:15.

now. Why did you decide to do it? It is an amazing experience. The

:52:16.:52:18.

experience I have from my first written in C which was not a good

:52:19.:52:22.

pregnancy made me realise that the short-term pain was worth the

:52:23.:52:26.

long-term gain and being able to see those families develop was so worth

:52:27.:52:33.

the pregnancy. When I saw the heartache that Pete and Tracy went

:52:34.:52:37.

through, I knew that they were somebody I wanted to help. They

:52:38.:52:41.

deserved to have that happy ending after everything they went through

:52:42.:52:46.

and they were still positive and a happy and supportive couple towards

:52:47.:52:50.

other people. People find it very hard to get to grips with the

:52:51.:52:54.

thought of carrying a baby, delivering that baby and then

:52:55.:53:00.

handing it over. How was that? The babies are conceived with surrogacy.

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They are not conceived to be our children. Even before they are

:53:06.:53:09.

conceived we are very much in the mindset that we are carrying for

:53:10.:53:13.

somebody else. That baby was never intended to be part of my family or

:53:14.:53:19.

my make up. When I am going through pregnancy, the visualisation is

:53:20.:53:22.

Tracy and Pete and my family, not my family. When I was pregnant with

:53:23.:53:29.

mine I envisaged them growing up as you do as a parent. Ukip sure what

:53:30.:53:36.

they will be like. You have four -- you picture what they would be like.

:53:37.:53:43.

I have four and my wife's carried another. Tracy, you go into a

:53:44.:53:50.

vulnerable situation top did you feel possible that Kate or one of

:53:51.:53:53.

the other surrogates parents might have decided to keep the baby? No,

:53:54.:54:00.

never. Never in a million years. Kate actually said initially that we

:54:01.:54:09.

would not be paying any expenses up until we had our first scam to

:54:10.:54:13.

reassure us that there was an actual AD there. -- our first scan. -- to

:54:14.:54:25.

reassure us there was an actual baby there. And I think you were not

:54:26.:54:36.

together when you gave birth? She was too impatient. By the time

:54:37.:54:41.

Tracey and Pete arrived at the hospital she had already arrived.

:54:42.:54:46.

What is it like as one unusual but blended family? When they came into

:54:47.:54:54.

the room, the look on their faces was worth every minute. The whole

:54:55.:54:58.

journey was worth a look on their faces to see their daughter and to

:54:59.:55:02.

complete their family like that, if the something that nobody can ever

:55:03.:55:09.

describe. And Tracy? Kate will tell you, she will laugh now, she will

:55:10.:55:18.

know I am crying now. At that moment, there is nothing can

:55:19.:55:21.

describe it. It is indescribable. And then there is that point when

:55:22.:55:29.

Tracy you walk away with Kenya and Kate, you are left behind? I did not

:55:30.:55:38.

feel left behind. We keep in contact. As soon as they were in the

:55:39.:55:41.

car I was getting pictures of them on their first journey home. I

:55:42.:55:46.

always knew that is how they would be. They would go off. We have a

:55:47.:55:50.

family have planned our family holidays and things like that for

:55:51.:55:54.

afterwards. Kenya being in July meant we had all our summer holidays

:55:55.:55:58.

and I was raring to get back to being with my children and give them

:55:59.:56:01.

the quality time that they deserve as well. Tracy, how would you

:56:02.:56:07.

describe your family, how do you see this situation? It is perfect. It is

:56:08.:56:15.

absolutely perfect. The aim of doing this media is to promote surrogacy,

:56:16.:56:19.

to give people who have no hope another option that is acceptable

:56:20.:56:28.

and to promote the conference on Saturday which is run by an

:56:29.:56:33.

organisation to give people the information because there is nothing

:56:34.:56:37.

more devastating, as a wife particularly, it is the one thing

:56:38.:56:42.

you are supposed to do is create a family. And it can be hard. Lovely

:56:43.:56:47.

to talk to both. Good luck with everything.

:56:48.:56:53.

I just want to bring you some comments on subjects and schools

:56:54.:56:56.

being cut because of constraints on budgets. Lots and lots of you still

:56:57.:57:02.

getting in touch. Tim has e-mailed to say in further education colleges

:57:03.:57:06.

we have had 24% of cuts in funding over the last five years with

:57:07.:57:08.

redundancies every year. The Bulls have less contact time and teachers

:57:09.:57:14.

have doubled the amount of work -- pupils have less contact time. The

:57:15.:57:21.

funding in education is absolutely dire, regardless of what the

:57:22.:57:26.

government says. Stephen e-mails saying cutting funding for design

:57:27.:57:31.

technology is outrageous. This subject is wide my career and add me

:57:32.:57:35.

setting up a company which has generated millions for the UK

:57:36.:57:39.

economy. Another person says why do schools with this more numbers of

:57:40.:57:43.

children taking their subjects Alba may to with another -- why don't

:57:44.:57:50.

schools with small number will of pupils amalgamate with another will

:57:51.:57:57.

stop Sonia says tech levels are needed, yet deeply and art and

:57:58.:58:03.

design are being cut. And another e-mail says I work in a small rural

:58:04.:58:08.

primary school, always rated as good by Ofsted. Funding has been

:58:09.:58:12.

dwindling to such an extent that we have had to make all but one

:58:13.:58:16.

teaching assistant redundant and may lose a teacher as well. The

:58:17.:58:20.

government seems hell-bent on pushing through its own education

:58:21.:58:26.

agenda when many schools are struggling to make ends meet. I have

:58:27.:58:29.

seriously considered quitting because the stress has had an impact

:58:30.:58:32.

on my family life and health. Now let's join Nick Miller for

:58:33.:58:40.

whether at date. How are things? Do you remember the sunshine yesterday?

:58:41.:58:42.

It was glorious. Is that it? Look at that. You can just about see

:58:43.:58:57.

some of Portsmouth through that. The sun will come back eventually but

:58:58.:59:02.

for now it is a very different story. It is misty and murky for

:59:03.:59:08.

many of us got a lot of the murky and damp stuff is across the west of

:59:09.:59:15.

the UK. The further east you other have been some glimmers sunshine. We

:59:16.:59:21.

had a lovely sunrise in Hull, City of Culture and city of cracking

:59:22.:59:27.

sunrises. Not a huge amount of rain around but it is ample and drizzly

:59:28.:59:32.

across parts of Wales, western England and Northern Ireland. An

:59:33.:59:37.

area of rainfall moving north across Scotland. It is possible you may

:59:38.:59:40.

counter some of that patchy rain at times. Let's take a look at things

:59:41.:59:47.

in more detail this afternoon. You will notice the temperatures in

:59:48.:59:51.

double figures. Yesterday, in the best of the sunshine, 17.5 Celsius.

:59:52.:59:56.

We are not getting back today. I think there will be some towards the

:59:57.:00:01.

north-east of Wales, into Cheshire, North Cornwall, Devon and Somerset

:00:02.:00:05.

and maybe along the North Coast of Northern Ireland a few brighter

:00:06.:00:09.

burst into north-east Scotland. But in the Northern Isles there are

:00:10.:00:13.

outbreaks of rain. The winds an night as they will be tonight.

:00:14.:00:16.

Plenty of cloud tonight as well. Temperature is not going down too

:00:17.:00:20.

far. If you're going to the Six Nations Rugby in Cardiff you do not

:00:21.:00:25.

need too many layers of top again, the possibility of seeing some

:00:26.:00:29.

drizzle around times. You will get an area of rain moving through

:00:30.:00:35.

Northern Ireland and in Scotland. England and Wales mainly drive. A

:00:36.:00:43.

mild start to the weekend. But it is mainly cloudy start to the weekend.

:00:44.:00:47.

Things would improve though. They will improve for Scotland and

:00:48.:00:53.

Northern Ireland. It edges into northern England, North and West

:00:54.:00:56.

Wales and maybe the far south-west of England. Notice Scotland and

:00:57.:01:02.

Northern Ireland brightens up. Parts of East Anglia and south-east

:01:03.:01:05.

England also sees in sunny spells. As Ashley and south-east England

:01:06.:01:10.

with any sunshine, it is not out of the question you could get 18

:01:11.:01:15.

Celsius. Spring is very much in evidence. Sunday is a messy picture.

:01:16.:01:22.

There are spells of wet weather moving through. It will turn a

:01:23.:01:28.

little bit cooler from the West late in the weekend. Whatever you're

:01:29.:01:31.

doing, have great weekend. sp A decision on hiking taxes

:01:32.:01:36.

for the self-employed won't be voted Her party is calling

:01:37.:01:43.

it a partial U-turn. Do you take your babies

:01:44.:01:50.

in their pushchair during Well, experts are urging

:01:51.:01:52.

parents to cover prams to protect babies from exhaust

:01:53.:01:56.

fumes and high levels I do think about it quite a lot.

:01:57.:02:07.

There is not much we can do. We live in the centre of London so there is

:02:08.:02:09.

pollution everywhere. And are we living in

:02:10.:02:13.

a golden age of satire? There's been more and more interest

:02:14.:02:15.

in seeing the funny side of politics We'll talk to writers and performers

:02:16.:02:19.

who say politics in 2017 is providing more material

:02:20.:02:22.

than they ever thought possible. What is that picture doing in here?

:02:23.:02:34.

That's just a plate of mashed potatoes. We're lucky that Trump is

:02:35.:02:40.

going to provide the jokes for the foreseeable future!

:02:41.:02:44.

Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:02:45.:02:46.

BT has bowed to pressure from telecoms regulator Ofcom

:02:47.:02:51.

to legally separate Openreach which runs the UK's

:02:52.:02:53.

The regulator was pushing for the move following complaints about a

:02:54.:03:05.

poor level of performance. The decisions it takes in terms of

:03:06.:03:16.

investment have to work for the interests of the whole country. And

:03:17.:03:21.

we would expect to see from this, both better service, but also better

:03:22.:03:24.

broadband. Labour has accused the Government

:03:25.:03:28.

of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said

:03:29.:03:30.

controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not

:03:31.:03:32.

be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes

:03:33.:03:34.

to national insurance, announced in the budget,

:03:35.:03:37.

were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen

:03:38.:03:39.

to concerns before MPs voted European leaders are

:03:40.:03:41.

continuing the second day of their summit in Brussels today,

:03:42.:03:49.

but without Theresa May The meeting was the Prime Minister's

:03:50.:03:52.

last summit ahead of the formal Mrs May was keen to downplay

:03:53.:03:56.

the situation, insisting that Britain will continue to play

:03:57.:04:01.

a leading role in Europe and offering suggestions

:04:02.:04:04.

on other topics including Schools in England are being forced

:04:05.:04:05.

to cut GCSE and A-Level courses in an effort to balance the books,

:04:06.:04:15.

according to a head teachers' union. The Association of School

:04:16.:04:18.

and College Leaders has warned budget pressures are driving up

:04:19.:04:20.

class sizes and causing them to cancel activities such as social

:04:21.:04:22.

clubs and school trips. Carole Herman is a head teacher

:04:23.:04:25.

at a school in Essex. She told this programme the issue

:04:26.:04:27.

is extremely complicated. For many students that is their

:04:28.:04:32.

ticket into further education, We are also known here

:04:33.:04:38.

for our excellence in sport Now, we won't cut those

:04:39.:04:43.

because it is absolutely central to the nature of the school,

:04:44.:04:51.

but we're having to look very carefully at other subjects such

:04:52.:04:53.

as design technology. This is exacerbated, actually,

:04:54.:04:58.

by the fact that teachers actually don't want to train in these

:04:59.:05:00.

subjects any more because the emphasis is far more

:05:01.:05:02.

on the EBacc subjects. Protests are taking place in Seoul

:05:03.:05:05.

after South Korea's highest court upheld a decision to remove

:05:06.:05:15.

the country's president from office. Park Geun-hye was impeached over

:05:16.:05:17.

a corruption scandal, She will now lose her immunity

:05:18.:05:19.

against prosecution The decision was met

:05:20.:05:25.

by cheering in the streets from opponents of Ms Park,

:05:26.:05:30.

but her supporters Police say two people have died

:05:31.:05:31.

during protests outside the court. Makers of the hit fantasy TV show

:05:32.:05:39.

Game of Thrones have announced the show will return for its seventh

:05:40.:05:42.

season in July. Fans watched an online video

:05:43.:05:44.

for more than an hour to see a huge block of ice being melted to reveal

:05:45.:05:47.

the air date which will be It's the latest the award-winning

:05:48.:05:50.

series has ever aired as filming was delayed due to a lack

:05:51.:05:54.

of wintry conditions. That's a summary of

:05:55.:06:02.

the latest BBC News. Nigel says "We pushed hard for our

:06:03.:06:17.

son's school to keep design technology. He went on to motorsport

:06:18.:06:25.

engineering and is employed as lead quality engineer at Aston Martin. He

:06:26.:06:29.

would not have achieved his goal without doing design technology.

:06:30.:06:34.

More engineers are needed." This viewer says, "We are a design couple

:06:35.:06:40.

and are saddened that creativity is being stifled by Government cuts. We

:06:41.:06:46.

flourished when traditional core subjects were not our strength. This

:06:47.:06:50.

door to creativity opened up incredible opportunities and enabled

:06:51.:06:54.

us to travel the world with our careers." Thank you for those. Keep

:06:55.:06:55.

your comments coming in. Do get in touch with us

:06:56.:06:58.

throughout the morning - use #Victorialive and if you text,

:06:59.:07:01.

you will be charged A leaked report into British Cycling

:07:02.:07:03.

has levelled serious criticisms at the door

:07:04.:07:08.

of the sport's governing body which has admitted failings in its

:07:09.:07:13.

World Class Performance Programme. The draft version of the report

:07:14.:07:15.

by UK Sport appears to reveal these key findings - that there

:07:16.:07:22.

is a "culture of fear" among staff at British cycling,

:07:23.:07:25.

some of whom are "frightened Former Performance Director

:07:26.:07:27.

Sir Dave Brailsford was "untouchable" and took decisions

:07:28.:07:32.

about the multi-million pound budget himself and former

:07:33.:07:37.

Technical Director Shane Sutton was said to be unsuitable

:07:38.:07:39.

for a leadership role. The review alleges that

:07:40.:07:44.

British Cycling's own report into Jess Varnish's claims of sexism

:07:45.:07:48.

against Shane Sutton where this story began

:07:49.:07:52.

was "sanitised" after the grievance officer found Varnish's

:07:53.:07:54.

allegations were largely true but British Cycling chose to leave

:07:55.:07:59.

out his findings in their report. The review concludes those actions

:08:00.:08:02.

were "shocking and inexcusable". British Cycling have responded

:08:03.:08:06.

with a statement accepting that "leadership focused on medal

:08:07.:08:09.

delivery without sufficient care and attention to the staff

:08:10.:08:16.

and athlete culture." While they disagree with the factual

:08:17.:08:20.

accuracy of certain points, The body's board admits that there

:08:21.:08:28.

was not "adequate oversight" Leading to a failure to "address

:08:29.:08:30.

the early warning signs". Jose Mourinho said it was

:08:31.:08:33.

"impossible to play any better" after his Manchester United side

:08:34.:08:36.

drew 1-1 at FC Rostov Mourinho wasn't impressed

:08:37.:08:38.

with the rough pitch. But Henrikh Mkhitaryan scored

:08:39.:08:50.

an away goal AND although Mourinho said that football life

:08:51.:08:52.

was "full of experiences" England goalkeeper Joe Hart

:08:53.:08:57.

doesn't think he'll play He was dropped by Pep Guardiola

:08:58.:09:02.

when he took over as manager at the start of the season and sent

:09:03.:09:06.

on loan to Torino in Italy. He bears no grudge

:09:07.:09:09.

against City though. I love that club and I always said

:09:10.:09:13.

as long as they wanted me, I would be there, but I was always cautious

:09:14.:09:16.

when I said that because I'm aware that other big clubs, stuff can

:09:17.:09:19.

change quickly and opinions and people in charge, not everyone is

:09:20.:09:22.

going to like you. Not everyone is going to want to play you and that's

:09:23.:09:24.

the business side of it. England one-day captain Eoin Morgan

:09:25.:09:28.

described Alex Hales' innings as "unbelievable",

:09:29.:09:30.

after he set them on their way to a 3-0 series

:09:31.:09:32.

victory over West Indies. Hales was back in the side

:09:33.:09:34.

after recovering from a broken hand and he scored a century in the third

:09:35.:09:37.

and final one-dayer in Barbados. Joe Root also made 100

:09:38.:09:42.

as England hit a record total The West Indies were bowled out well

:09:43.:09:45.

short of that target, Wales and Ireland launch

:09:46.:09:48.

the penultimate weekend Anything other than a victory

:09:49.:09:53.

for Ireland will end their bid They're second in the table,

:09:54.:09:57.

behind England, who take on Scotland And can claim the championship

:09:58.:10:02.

at Twickenham if Ireland don't win. Commentary on Radio 5 Live from the

:10:03.:10:18.

Principality Stadium. That's it for now.

:10:19.:10:25.

Labour has claimed the Government is in disarray after Theresa May

:10:26.:10:28.

said controversial Budget tax rises would not go before

:10:29.:10:30.

Let's go to Westminster and bring in Iani Watson. Is the Government

:10:31.:10:41.

getting cold feet in the face of a rebellion over this? I think

:10:42.:10:46.

certainly a touch of cold feet, certainly a shiver up the spine of

:10:47.:10:49.

the Government Joanna for the following reasons. There is a logic

:10:50.:10:53.

to increasing the contributions of self-employed people because they're

:10:54.:10:56.

getting benefits they didn't previously get such as the state

:10:57.:11:00.

pension, but the politics, I think, is far more dangerous than the

:11:01.:11:04.

economics because many Conservative MPs say, look, this is not what we

:11:05.:11:08.

said in our manifesto and secondly, we're hitting people that might be

:11:09.:11:11.

likely to vote for the Conservative Party. So effectively, the timing of

:11:12.:11:15.

this measure is crucial by delaying a Parliamentary vote until the

:11:16.:11:18.

autumn, that will be after the publication of a review into working

:11:19.:11:22.

practises which might actually offer self-employed people more rights and

:11:23.:11:26.

benefits. Rights to maternity and pa personity leave. So the Government

:11:27.:11:30.

could argue, look you're getting more value for money out of this

:11:31.:11:36.

national insurance increase. We get a second Budget. If the rebellion

:11:37.:11:40.

hasn't been quelled, then the Chancellor would have some

:11:41.:11:44.

flexibility to perhaps even potentially delay the

:11:45.:11:46.

implementation. I was speaking earlier to the Conservative MP Neil

:11:47.:11:51.

Carmichael, he chairs the Education Committee. He says there is lots of

:11:52.:11:54.

concern in his constituency about the changes. So I was asking him if

:11:55.:11:58.

it would be enough to offer self-employed people more rights or

:11:59.:12:01.

whether the Chancellor would have to go further and think again about how

:12:02.:12:07.

the whole reform is implemented? If we're expecting people to be sort of

:12:08.:12:14.

active in the economic system as entrepreneurs taking risks we've got

:12:15.:12:17.

to demonstrate that we are aware of that and willing to mitigate some of

:12:18.:12:21.

those risks. So that's an important point. The wider question about

:12:22.:12:25.

taxation, of course, is we have got to increase tax take in order to pay

:12:26.:12:29.

for the things that we might want to pay for. Education clearly being one

:12:30.:12:35.

of them and also the risks that we might confront on leaving the

:12:36.:12:38.

European Union. So it's important that we have a tax system which

:12:39.:12:43.

works fairly and efficiently in terms of getting the money in. Is it

:12:44.:12:48.

a package that says look, self-employed people could get value

:12:49.:12:52.

for money? They will get more of the rights that employed people would

:12:53.:12:55.

get that would satisfy people like you and your constituents or would

:12:56.:12:58.

you and some colleagues be holding out for a re-think on the

:12:59.:13:02.

implementation of the time scale on the tax rise itself? I think a

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re-think on the implementation is probably the most likely outcome.

:13:08.:13:11.

Because at the end of the day, you know, we are going to have to get

:13:12.:13:16.

some tax. So, I think, we've got to recognise that and be bold enough to

:13:17.:13:23.

stick with the overall direction of travel, but make sure it's more

:13:24.:13:26.

comfortable for those that are basically travelling.

:13:27.:13:30.

Here is the real problem for the Chancellor - if you're making that

:13:31.:13:32.

direction of travel more comfortable, you're going to raise

:13:33.:13:36.

less money for the Treasury. So it could be possible that Philip

:13:37.:13:38.

Hammond goes through all this political pain and doesn't make the

:13:39.:13:41.

Government significantly better off at the end of it. OK, thank you very

:13:42.:13:48.

much. Let's bring in Rachel Reeves, the Government says it is right to

:13:49.:13:52.

equalise the way people are treated in terms of taxation, how do you see

:13:53.:13:57.

it? Well, I'm all for cracking down on bogus self employment and

:13:58.:14:03.

avoiding people incorporating to avoid paying those national

:14:04.:14:07.

insurance contributions, but we do need to better help and support

:14:08.:14:11.

people who are self-employed, who are entrepreneurs setting up on

:14:12.:14:16.

their own in part because they are taking more risk and they don't get

:14:17.:14:21.

access to the same sickness benefits and the same maternity and paternity

:14:22.:14:26.

rights and Universal Credit. So I think that it is wrong to just

:14:27.:14:31.

increase the tax take on self-employed without giving them

:14:32.:14:34.

any additional support to make a success of their business and the

:14:35.:14:37.

reality is, the Government are cutting taxes for the biggest

:14:38.:14:42.

businesses, ?3.8 billion cut in corporation tax and yet asking the

:14:43.:14:46.

self-employed to pay an additional ?2 billion in taxes. I don't think

:14:47.:14:51.

those are right priorities. I think we should be asking more of those

:14:52.:14:55.

with the broadest shoulders and helping small businesses and the

:14:56.:14:57.

self-employed to make a better contribution to our economy. Would

:14:58.:15:04.

you be appeased if there were more benefits for the self-employed over

:15:05.:15:09.

rights from the state? I moon the Government is saying there is almost

:15:10.:15:12.

equal treatment at the moment. There will be a review into modern

:15:13.:15:16.

employment practises. Would that make you change your mind? It

:15:17.:15:20.

doesn't sound like anything would? It is true with the flat rate

:15:21.:15:24.

pension that over time people who are self-employed will start to

:15:25.:15:28.

benefit from a pension they didn't previously get, but when you look at

:15:29.:15:32.

other benefits like maternity and paternity leave and maternity and

:15:33.:15:36.

paternity pay, like for example, sickness and disability benefits,

:15:37.:15:39.

out of work benefits, you don't have the same sort of access if you are

:15:40.:15:42.

self-employed. So, if the Chancellor wants to go further, and look at

:15:43.:15:47.

those whole range of benefits I think that would be something that

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we could support and we could get behind, but at moment we don't have

:15:52.:15:55.

anything like those guarantees. All we know is the self-employed are

:15:56.:15:58.

going to have to pay higher national insurance without getting those

:15:59.:16:02.

benefits that many of the rest of us take for granted. We also need to do

:16:03.:16:06.

more to help the self-employed access pensions and mortgages. In

:16:07.:16:11.

the private sectorment if you are self-employed... That's a different

:16:12.:16:16.

issue, isn't it? Just focussing on the tax take from the self-employed

:16:17.:16:21.

here. The Government is pointing out that if it were not to be getting

:16:22.:16:26.

this extra cash from the self-employed with the national

:16:27.:16:29.

insurance increase, there wouldn't be the money that was announced in

:16:30.:16:33.

the Budget for social care, an extra ?2 billion going into social care?

:16:34.:16:39.

Well, as I said the government is cutting corporation tax. They are

:16:40.:16:46.

cutting inheritance tax for the richest estates and that is costing

:16:47.:16:50.

taxpayers ?1 billion. The government are cutting taxes for the better

:16:51.:16:58.

off. I want more money going into the National Health Service and the

:16:59.:17:03.

care system. I do think it is right to be cutting services for the best

:17:04.:17:06.

of while asking the self-employed to pay more. There is an important

:17:07.:17:11.

point. Self-employed people are taking additional risks which were

:17:12.:17:14.

not taking if you are directly employed and you miss out on things

:17:15.:17:19.

both in terms of State benefits through the national insurance

:17:20.:17:23.

system but also, you do find it harder to access things like

:17:24.:17:28.

pensions in the private sector as well. There is something different

:17:29.:17:32.

about being self-employed and the government needs to recognise that.

:17:33.:17:35.

That is why traditionally the southern point have paid less. I

:17:36.:17:39.

recognise with the growth in self employment that needs to be looked

:17:40.:17:44.

at again, but so do the rights that come from paying into national

:17:45.:17:47.

insurance and those are some of the things we have just spoken about.

:17:48.:17:49.

Thank you. Still to come: more and more people

:17:50.:17:59.

are seeing the funny side of being in power and politics in general. We

:18:00.:18:03.

will find out why we are in a golden age of satire.

:18:04.:18:11.

First, an independent watchdog has warned that Britain's aid programme

:18:12.:18:18.

in Libya could be harming migrants. A report said Britain's support lead

:18:19.:18:24.

to more migrants being detained and denied a right to asylum. We can

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speak to the Oxfam policy adviser. We also joined by the Conservative

:18:30.:18:35.

MP Jeremy Lefroy who was a member of the International development

:18:36.:18:38.

committee. And here in the studio I enjoyed by Doctor John Campbell from

:18:39.:18:46.

the School of Oriental and African. Josephine, spell out why the British

:18:47.:18:48.

aid could actually be making things worse for migrants? Oxfam works with

:18:49.:18:56.

people who had to leave their home due to conflict, violence, poverty

:18:57.:19:00.

and disaster and all around the world. In the companies in which we

:19:01.:19:07.

work, we see first-hand the transformative effect that foreign

:19:08.:19:10.

aid can have when it is targeting people when it addresses the issues

:19:11.:19:20.

of poverty and suffering. We can see how it saves lives. What this report

:19:21.:19:24.

looks at is areas where foreign aid is used to prevent people migrating

:19:25.:19:32.

to Europe or foreign aid used as a bargaining chip to have agreements

:19:33.:19:37.

with third countries to prevent mobility and migration to Europe.

:19:38.:19:42.

This is where the report finds that this must never be the sole

:19:43.:19:47.

objective of foreign aid and assistance and that is something

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which Oxfam wholeheartedly second is because not only is it ineffective,

:19:53.:19:56.

it also puts people's lives at risk and that was made in the case of

:19:57.:20:01.

Libya and it also risks undermining development in fact by restricting

:20:02.:20:08.

mobility. In Libya we are seeing a situation where the UK and other

:20:09.:20:11.

European governments are trying to prevent people from leaving Libya to

:20:12.:20:16.

seek safety in Europe, and also looking at ways in which they would

:20:17.:20:21.

return people back to Libya. These are really concerning developments

:20:22.:20:25.

and we know from our operations, Oxfam's operations in Italy, where

:20:26.:20:29.

we work with people who have left Libya and made the horrendous

:20:30.:20:32.

journey across the Mediterranean, who tell us about the human rights

:20:33.:20:37.

by nations they have witnessed, the beatings, the kidnappings and forced

:20:38.:20:45.

Labour, so that Libya is Rulli situation they themselves describe

:20:46.:20:47.

as hell. It is really worrying to see trends in which the UK and other

:20:48.:20:50.

European governments are trying to pave the way in which vulnerable

:20:51.:20:54.

people would not be able to leave situations of human rights

:20:55.:20:58.

violations be returned there. Jeremy Lefroy, you are on the international

:20:59.:21:02.

development committee, are you concerned that aid might be doing

:21:03.:21:07.

more harm than good? I don't think the UK is doing more harm than good

:21:08.:21:12.

at all. The report points out that there are cases where because of

:21:13.:21:16.

support slave for the Libyan coast guard, people have been returned to

:21:17.:21:22.

the coast of Libya and maybe in camps or places where there are real

:21:23.:21:27.

problems with human rights violations. Clearly, we need to look

:21:28.:21:31.

at that. However, the report also looks at the work of the United

:21:32.:21:38.

Kingdom in Ethiopia, and in Nigeria, and in both those cases, the work of

:21:39.:21:45.

the UK in those countries is really helping the governments to work with

:21:46.:21:50.

refugees. Ethiopia has an open door policy for refugees which is a

:21:51.:21:54.

magnificent response by that government to the problems

:21:55.:21:57.

particularly in Eritrea and South Sudan. The UK Government is working

:21:58.:22:02.

with the Ethiopian government to see that refugees in Ethiopia can have

:22:03.:22:07.

access to work, up to 30,000 job places. That is something I think we

:22:08.:22:12.

should absolutely be doing. That has been singled out for praise in this

:22:13.:22:16.

report but you said about potentially looking at what happens

:22:17.:22:20.

to migrants when they are returned to Libya, having tried to head off

:22:21.:22:25.

on that journey, it is UK money that is obviously helping the Coast Guard

:22:26.:22:29.

in Libya to intercept these people and take them back, how would you

:22:30.:22:34.

suggest it be looked at and what might change? Clearly, where there

:22:35.:22:37.

are things to be improved, they need to be improved, but I do think

:22:38.:22:40.

anyone would suggest working with the Libyan coast guard in order to

:22:41.:22:44.

save people's lives, when so many people have drowned on a perilous

:22:45.:22:48.

crossing could be a bad thing. It is surely a good thing. What we then

:22:49.:22:58.

have to look at is what happens to people when they are returned. The

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work of Oxfam and other NGOs are vital and we must listen to them

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with great respect. To point them out with this particular report and

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suggest the UK aid is doing real harm is a complete misinterpretation

:23:07.:23:09.

of the report. There are areas we have to look at and there are

:23:10.:23:14.

people, let's not forget it is the people who are actually breaching

:23:15.:23:18.

people's human rights are doing the harm. It is not the UK Government or

:23:19.:23:22.

anybody associated with it. We really need to look at those things

:23:23.:23:26.

in detail while recognising that the work the UK Government, often on its

:23:27.:23:32.

own. I have been to northern Nigeria where the UK Government is working

:23:33.:23:36.

in very, very difficult situations. There is almost no deal is working

:23:37.:23:43.

there apart from the UK Government. I hear the broader picture of what

:23:44.:23:47.

you're saying about the good work that is being done with UK aid. John

:23:48.:23:53.

Campbell, the strategy, obviously, in terms of people travelling from

:23:54.:23:58.

Libya to Europe, making that dangerous journey across the

:23:59.:24:01.

Mediterranean is aimed at stopping that happening, because more than

:24:02.:24:04.

4500 people were killed on Matt Crossen last year, and Jeremy Lefroy

:24:05.:24:09.

making the point that if investing in the Coast Guard and stopping

:24:10.:24:13.

people making that journey is having an effect, it is absolutely the

:24:14.:24:18.

right thing? Does the right thing but what the UK and Europe are

:24:19.:24:23.

interested in, is preventing migrants reaching Europe. The

:24:24.:24:26.

broader issue should be about the security of those migrants. The key

:24:27.:24:30.

issue is being overlooked. What are the factors driving people leaving

:24:31.:24:37.

Africa to come to Europe. That is where we need to focus. This has not

:24:38.:24:43.

identified any relevant thinking of policies which deal with that. I'm

:24:44.:24:48.

afraid I totally disagree with that. The UK is working with the economic

:24:49.:24:53.

divide and in Nigeria and in Ethiopia, and that is the thing to

:24:54.:25:00.

enable both Ethiopians and Nigerians, and refugees seeking

:25:01.:25:04.

refuge in their countries, to see a better future for themselves in

:25:05.:25:07.

their own countries and regions. That is surely very strategic

:25:08.:25:12.

thinking? John Campbell? The government promised last year they

:25:13.:25:16.

would put money into the strategy identified by your speaker. The

:25:17.:25:22.

issue is this already fits into Ethiopia in developing strategies.

:25:23.:25:26.

Ethiopia polices its borders relatively efficiently. The

:25:27.:25:29.

investment into Ethiopian industry is primarily there, as seen by the

:25:30.:25:33.

British government as something which will prevent Eritreans leaving

:25:34.:25:37.

the region. Eritreans are not leaving searching for work. There

:25:38.:25:41.

are broader agendas and there are commitments made to migration which

:25:42.:25:45.

can be addressed by investment next year or the next two years in jobs

:25:46.:25:50.

in Ethiopia. Thank you to all of you.

:25:51.:25:51.

A Government spokesperson said, "Cross-government efforts

:25:52.:25:53.

are tackling the root causes of migration by building opportunity

:25:54.:25:55.

and stability for people in their home regions so they don't

:25:56.:25:58.

need to make the perilous journey across the Mediterranean.

:25:59.:26:00.

ICAI rightly praises our innovative work in Ethiopia where we have

:26:01.:26:03.

We're also getting help to vulnerable migrants who have already

:26:04.:26:08.

Since May 2015, British vessels have saved more than 13,000 lives

:26:09.:26:13.

Lots of you getting touch today about the cuts being made to some

:26:14.:26:22.

We had a particularly strong response to the news that

:26:23.:26:26.

lots of schools stopping design and technology.

:26:27.:26:28.

Lots of you took it at school and have made a career out of it.

:26:29.:26:33.

One viewer who contacted us was Syreeta Challinger from Lincoln.

:26:34.:26:44.

She did design and technology and art A-levels and is now a fashion

:26:45.:26:54.

designer. She joins us now. You obviously feel very strongly about

:26:55.:27:00.

this. Absolutely, I would not be employed at all if I had not taken

:27:01.:27:04.

those subjects. What to think about the idea that it may go off the

:27:05.:27:11.

curriculum if it is not viable? I'm shocked and in disbelief actually.

:27:12.:27:14.

British design is revered around the world. If we cut it at such an early

:27:15.:27:20.

age, at school age, what does that mean for future generations? Do you

:27:21.:27:24.

think you would have ultimately found your way without design and

:27:25.:27:29.

technology? These are relatively new subjects in British education. I

:27:30.:27:36.

would have struggled. And I know that my partner who also struggled

:27:37.:27:41.

with dyslexia at school, if he had not had art, design and technology

:27:42.:27:44.

as well, we would not be as employable as we are now. We would

:27:45.:27:48.

not have the skill set we have now. It has moulded us greatly. What was

:27:49.:27:55.

it you got from studying it, the skills you talk about? If you are

:27:56.:28:04.

not good at maths or remembering subjects, if you are a bit more

:28:05.:28:11.

logical and hands-on, it definitely benefits you at a school age. It

:28:12.:28:15.

shows you that there are other opportunities, rather than having

:28:16.:28:20.

your nose in a book or having to correct spelling or anything in that

:28:21.:28:25.

manner. There are other opportunities. We have talked on the

:28:26.:28:30.

programme about the growth in manufacturing in this country, in

:28:31.:28:33.

the fashion industry, we were talking just before London Fashion

:28:34.:28:38.

Week about how the fashion industry is benefiting the country, tell us

:28:39.:28:41.

more about your career and your input there? So, I was fortunate

:28:42.:28:49.

that I studied, I went on to university to study textile design

:28:50.:28:53.

and that has opened up doors within the industry pretty much

:28:54.:28:58.

straightaway. Having worked for UK-based companies, and then even

:28:59.:29:01.

opening an opportunity to work globally. However, most recently, I

:29:02.:29:06.

have been working predominantly with the British high street and everyone

:29:07.:29:11.

in that industry would have studied art and design or technology at

:29:12.:29:15.

school. Therefore, I think it is quite short-sighted for the

:29:16.:29:19.

government to not invest in those areas, because it is a huge

:29:20.:29:24.

industry. Thank you. It is great to know you were watching at home and

:29:25.:29:28.

you are obviously moved by what he we were talking about and got in

:29:29.:29:32.

touch. It is great to have you on the programme. Thank you.

:29:33.:29:38.

More and more people are seeing the funny side of people in power

:29:39.:29:45.

We'll find out why some think we're in the golden age of Satire.

:29:46.:29:54.

And should you put a cover on your pram or pushchair when you are doing

:29:55.:30:03.

the school run? We will hear more about pollution.

:30:04.:30:08.

Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the news.

:30:09.:30:12.

BT has bowed to pressure from telecoms regulator Ofcom

:30:13.:30:19.

to legally separate Openreach which runs much of the UK's

:30:20.:30:21.

The regulator had been pushing for the move following complaints

:30:22.:30:25.

about poor levels of service and had threatened to force BT

:30:26.:30:27.

Openreach will have to work to the interests of all consumers, better

:30:28.:30:38.

broadband, but secondly, the decisions it takes as a company in

:30:39.:30:41.

terms of investment again have got to work for the interests of the

:30:42.:30:46.

whole country and we would expect to see from this both better service,

:30:47.:30:50.

but also better broadband. Labour has accused the Government

:30:51.:30:54.

of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said

:30:55.:30:56.

controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not

:30:57.:30:58.

be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes

:30:59.:31:00.

to national insurance, announced in the Budget,

:31:01.:31:03.

were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen

:31:04.:31:06.

to concerns before MPs voted MPs are being warned the Palace

:31:07.:31:08.

of Westminster is close to a "catastrophic failure"

:31:09.:31:17.

unless they make a decision The Public Accounts Committee,

:31:18.:31:19.

which overlooks government spending, says the longer MPs mull over

:31:20.:31:22.

the options, the greater the chance The committee is encouraging

:31:23.:31:25.

parliament to support the cheapest option to repair the deterioration,

:31:26.:31:30.

which will cost around ?3.5 billion and mean MPs and peers would leave

:31:31.:31:33.

the building for six years. Join me for BBC

:31:34.:31:41.

Newsroom Live at 11am. British Cycling have admitted

:31:42.:31:48.

to failings in their World Class Performance Programme after a draft

:31:49.:31:58.

version of the independent report into the sport's governing body

:31:59.:32:00.

was leaked overnight. It claims there is a "culture

:32:01.:32:02.

of fear" among staff at British cycling and that an internal

:32:03.:32:05.

British Cycling report following Jess Varnish's claims

:32:06.:32:07.

of sexism against former technical director Shane Sutton

:32:08.:32:09.

was "sanitised". Manchester United can claim they got

:32:10.:32:14.

a good result on a bad pitch. Henrikh Mkhitaryan scored

:32:15.:32:17.

the away goal in a 1-1 draw at Rostov in the first leg

:32:18.:32:19.

of their Europa League last 16 tie. England's cricketers cruise to

:32:20.:32:23.

a series whitewash in the Caribbean. They won the third one day

:32:24.:32:29.

international against the West Indies comfortably thanks

:32:30.:32:31.

to centuries from Adam Wales and Ireland launch

:32:32.:32:33.

the penultimate weekend Anything other than a victory

:32:34.:32:37.

for Ireland will end their bid for a third title in four years

:32:38.:32:42.

and is likely to mean England can claim the championship

:32:43.:32:46.

by beating Scotland. That's all the sport for now.

:32:47.:32:58.

Lovely, see you later. Thank you very much.

:32:59.:33:03.

The host of one of the biggest talk shows in America said yesterday

:33:04.:33:10.

"When I see Donald Trump, I see a stand-up comedian"

:33:11.:33:12.

and it would seem he's not the only one seeing the funny side of him

:33:13.:33:15.

Because there's growing interest in taking the mick out of people

:33:16.:33:19.

in power and some think we're in the golden age of Satire.

:33:20.:33:22.

James Ballardie's been looking into this one for us.

:33:23.:33:26.

You might not think so every time you turn on the news,

:33:27.:33:29.

but some people think we're currently living through one

:33:30.:33:35.

of the funniest periods of human history.

:33:36.:33:37.

It's boomtime for satire, the art of poking fun at public figures.

:33:38.:33:40.

Satirists have never been more popular.

:33:41.:33:42.

In the UK, sales of satirical magazine Private Eye are a record

:33:43.:33:44.

all-time high of 25% on just five years ago.

:33:45.:33:52.

Private Eye has been taunting politicians

:33:53.:33:55.

Its editor Ian Hislop is often described as the most

:33:56.:34:02.

It measures basic intelligence, which he would lose.

:34:03.:34:10.

Meanwhile, in the USA, there are no less than 24 nightly

:34:11.:34:14.

talk shows to guide satire fans through the day's top stories.

:34:15.:34:20.

And long-running comedy sketch show Saturday Night Live

:34:21.:34:24.

is experiencing its highest audience ratings in 24 years, up 26% on 2016,

:34:25.:34:30.

in part thanks to Hollywood actor Alec Baldwin's impression

:34:31.:34:32.

No, that's just a plate of mashed potatoes, sir.

:34:33.:34:42.

It even caught the attention of the president himself.

:34:43.:34:44.

Not everyone is a fan of satire, but it's everywhere.

:34:45.:34:49.

Satirists are lapping up shares and retweets.

:34:50.:35:00.

Last month, this skit starring comedian Melissa McCarthy as White

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House Press Secretary Sean Spicer became an internet sensation,

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racking up over 24 million YouTube hits.

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And it's not just professional satirists

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You might recognise some of these pictures from your Facebook

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They're called memes, the tool of choice for budding

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But why do we relish ridiculing people in power?

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Can satire really change opinions, or does it just reinforce

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And by lampooning those we disagree with, do we risk

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I've come to Private Eye's HQ in London to find out why politics

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Why is Private Eye selling so many copies right now?

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I think, if I'm honest, it's because of Brexit and Trump.

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People have become more interested in politics and also

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quite gloomy about it, and Private Eye offers some

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jokes, some light relief, and hopefully some insight,

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though I'm less confident about that.

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As a satirist you have a responsibility in some way,

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do you ever worry people might start taking you literally?

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Well, I mean that obviously has been a problem.

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Private Eye was listed as fake news by some American academic who just

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didn't get any of the jokes and decided that when we said

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the Queen had signed a petition to stop Trump coming over,

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So that is a slight problem in doing satire, but responsibility?

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Yes, I mean, you should be able to justify what you write.

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What is the difference between Private Eye and fake news?

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Obviously the journalism in Private Eye is true

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Fake news is when you deliberately make up stories in order

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It's a group of teenagers in a shed in Macedonia

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or the middle of Russia, when you are deliberately making up

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news in order to make people believe things which aren't true.

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When a character like Trump comes along, do you think, "Oh, goody,

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I've got lots and lots of jokes that I can tell," or are you terrified?

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You know, my first reaction is as a responsible citizen

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and human being, so I'm appalled and I'm terrified.

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And my second response is how very lucky we are that Trump

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is going to provide most of the jokes for the

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You can feel the acerbic wit just radiating from these covers.

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Talk me through which is your favourite?

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We talked about American presidents, I love that, "Bush,

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But, again, the great thing about doing it for a long time

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is you realise that there isn't that much that's new,

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and the approach tends to need to be the same.

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Satire's pretty consistent, I think, not only over the decades but pretty

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I mean, what happens is it goes in and out of fashion,

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sometimes everyone says, "Oh, satire, marvellous,

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And then during the down periods they say, "Oh,

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really, it's so pathetic, we don't want this stuff,

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Do you think that by going after all these people, so many years,

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that you may have contributed in some way to the climate

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No, what I hope we've done is make people view it realistically.

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I think people do tend to say that, they say, "Well, it's your fault

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for pointing out when people have done something wrong because then

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we think they are up to something wrong."

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And I say, no, our job is to make people honest,

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to make people think if they do that then they will be found out.

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Satire helps us make sense of the world.

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It empowers us and reminds us that humour can be found in even the most

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It was on January 7th 2015 that terrorist attacks on French

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satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo brought home the power

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12 people were killed and 11 injured when masked gunmen

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In an outcry of public grief, 3.7 million people joined

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One week after the attack, surviving Charlie Hebdo staff

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released a commemorative edition packed full of incendiary jokes and

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Shappi Khorsandi is someone who knows this all too well.

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Her father was a satirist in Iran, until he and the rest of the family

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were forced to flee in 1976 after he published a poem ridiculing

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In countries in the Middle East, Iran, after the revolution they went

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gunning for the satirists, they were the first on the hit list.

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And your dad was one of those people, that's

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Yeah! My dad's the man!

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So I came to Britain in the early 80s.

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We were refugees long before it became fashionable.

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A lot of your stuff is based on real life, isn't it?

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You're taking things that happen to you day-to-day and you're talking

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There are certain times when certain things are going on in politics,

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like they've closed the refugee camp in Calais.

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Now, I was a refugee child, so how can I not mention that

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in stand-up when what I do is so personal?

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For me, I find satire itself is to mock the status quo,

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mock the powers that be, mocking what we are told

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to consider is right and normal and the moral high ground.

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And you're like, "No, no, no, that's not the way I see it.

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You're actually trying to trick us, you're trying to lead us

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The Western world is currently experiencing the most

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significant political upheaval since the Second World War.

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In times of turmoil, satirists see opportunities.

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Like Geoff Norcott - he's targeting Remain

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voters in light of last year's EU referendum.

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One thing about Remainers, right, is they don't realise

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some of their arguments were oddly racist themselves.

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"Well, who's going to come and do all the menial jobs?"

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Is that how you see the EU, supplying you with

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Are you aiming to convert people, are you aiming to reinforce

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I'd like to think I had that sort of power, I could just reach

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out my hand and we'd all walk away thinking the same thing.

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But I think in a way it's about sharing ideas and also

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unpicking some of the tension around Brexit, because obviously I was

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a Leave voter and the stereotype of a working-class Leave voter

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is perhaps a bit ignorant, uneducated, possibly racist,

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we all took one bite on a straight banana and just started setting fire

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I know those people exist but I don't honestly think

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that was the broad sweep of the working-class Leave vote,

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and I think in a way, hopefully, if you hear somebody talk who's

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reasonably informed on the subject it might make people think, well,

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maybe other working-class Leave voters felt that way.

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Voting Conservative is a bit like buying

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You know for a fact millions of other people must have done it,

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Trump and Brexit are the gift that keeps on giving.

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I do think that's exhaustable, though.

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I do think there'll come a point with the public where,

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as things probably settle down a little bit, that seems a bold

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prediction with Trump, it might be we return to something

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We'll actually be begging for a minister to go with a call

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girl, or just something that's a bit more the kind of thing

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So are you just carving yourself a comedy niche, then?

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Wouldn't it be easier if you just didn't make jokes

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Yeah, I was definitely carving a niche.

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Other kinds of humour, left-wing humour, in a way I admire

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people doing that kind of comedy because it's a far more crowded

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People on Twitter, Facebook, all the comedy panel shows,

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most of the humour comes from that angle so it's almost harder,

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I think, to make an original joke in that respect,

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which ultimately I'm only centre-right, really,

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which is like a lot of the country, but I guess in the context

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These pictures are the latest weapon in satire's battle

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Since the birth of social media there's been an explosion in memes,

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cartoons, drawings and photos made by regular people who've got

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something funny to say about the world we live in.

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The very best might get reposted by tens of millions of people,

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but despite their popularity many meme makers remain

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I persuaded one of them to speak to me.

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His name's Jim'll Paint It, and he's agreed to be interviewed

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on the condition that we don't show his face.

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My name's Jim, I run Jim'll Paint It, which is an online

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thing, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, that sort of stuff.

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People send me their requests and I do my best to sort

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You've asked to be represented by one of your very,

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Why do you think that people who make memes,

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people who make satirical stuff on the internet, are less keen

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I think maybe it makes them less afraid to say

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what they want to say, maybe, without repercussions.

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Obviously that can have a negative effect us because it means you just

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get trolls and all kinds of unsavoury characters that can

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Memes, as you say, or things that are on the internet,

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they are a form of propaganda, in a way, but instead of coming

:45:29.:45:31.

from the Government it's sort of self-perpetuating propaganda,

:45:32.:45:33.

it's made by people and it's spread by people, and I think that's

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where the strength of memes is, is that it's not something

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that is sort of broadcast to you, it's something that you pass on.

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They spread so much quicker than any other form of satire could.

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There's a lot of turmoil politically, does that mean

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the submissions that you're getting are different?

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Something started as a stupid little joke. All of my stuffs the stuff is

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user generated. Someone put in a request. .

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Jim'll Paint It started just as a stupid little joke, I just

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All of my stuff is user-generated, so whatever people are talking

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about they send to me, and it influences their ideas,

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There was absolutely no politics for the first

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maybe one or two years, it was just celebrities

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I think it's massively changed, and I think people do talk

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about politics more than they do celebrity gossip and pop culture.

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That's become water cooler entertainment.

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Do you think drawing your pictures helps you deal with these things?

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Yeah, it's therapeutic, total therapy.

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The one I got the most likes for was drawing a picture

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of Donald Trump on the toilet on his first day in office,

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and it was just my way of basically just trying to get through that day

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Things are ridiculous, things are easily mockable,

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probably more so than they've ever been, but that is people's

:47:10.:47:12.

way of dealing with it, they just want to sort of channel it

:47:13.:47:15.

into something that they can laugh at.

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Sometimes we could all do with a little more

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When news headlines go bonkers, perhaps laughter might be

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So long as there are people in charge, so long as there

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are haves and have nots, there will always be jokes to tell

:47:29.:47:31.

Satire is as old as time itself, and in 2017 it's

:47:32.:47:35.

Keeping an eye on the people in charge can only be

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A world without satire would be no laughing matter.

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If you want to see that again, it is on the programme page.

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Parents are being urged to cover prams and pushchairs

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during the school run to protect their babies

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That's according to researchers at the University of Surrey who say

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that particles from exhaust fumes are particularly high at bus

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It is an issue that mums on the school run this morning said they

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are very aware of. I did think about it a lot but there is not much we do

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as we live in central London so there is pollution everywhere. They

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have but had any chest problems. I thought if they did have problems we

:48:16.:48:18.

might have to move because we live on Euston Road. There is a lot of

:48:19.:48:24.

pollution and I think it is because of the construction, the cars and

:48:25.:48:28.

everything going on. Have you ever thought about putting the roof up

:48:29.:48:34.

because of pollution? Sometimes I put the raincoat on the pushchair

:48:35.:48:42.

just for her to avoid getting the, how would you say, the fumes of the

:48:43.:48:47.

cars, so yes. Say mums on the school run.

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The research was lead by Dr Prashant Kumar,

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who happens to be in the Indian capital, Delhi, and he told me

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We were trying to assess a typical route when parents

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are carrying their babies, they pass through a different part

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of the road so it might include the traffic intersections,

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a road section where you have the traffic flow

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which is continuous as well as the bus lanes.

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So what we found is first of all that during the morning hours

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you get higher exposure to the fine and very fine particles

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And interestingly, in the afternoon you get higher exposure

:49:33.:49:35.

to the bigger particles as compared to the morning hours.

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This was quite interesting because it seems to be the fact

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of the dew during the night when the suspension

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of these particles is less during the morning,

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and in the afternoon hours you might see the influence and that

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could have increased representations.

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So how dangerous is that environment for a baby?

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How much risk does it pose to a baby?

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So I always say that our body is a good doctor, so it can deal

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with a certain level but for infants, their body

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is not yet developed, so if they are inhaling a similar

:50:36.:50:39.

sort of concentrations to adults are inhaling, they might have

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And when we looked into the chemical composure of the particles,

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there were traces of aluminium and components which look

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like they're coming from the tyre wheel or the abrasion

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What could the adverse effects be of all of that?

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We looked into the toxicology side of these particles

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which is an important area and I think the results

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But the studies in the past, they have sold that,

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if you have the exposure to these particles, they could lead

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to the cardiovascular as well as respiratory

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Right now I am sitting in Delhi and this is one of the worst places

:51:19.:51:23.

when it comes to pollution and statistics show that one

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in three children has got actually some sort of asthmatic problem

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Why are the toxic particles so concentrated in a pram?

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Because what happens is normally in the pram,

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So the prams are at a much lower height and this

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is pretty close to the height of the tailpipe as well.

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It is where the emissions are coming and the babies are basically sitting

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See might expect a higher concentration of those heights

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compared with the height of an adult person.

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That was Doctor Prashant Kumar who carried out the research. We can

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talk to Senia Dedic, a mother in Battersea who is so concerned about

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the effects of pollution she has set up a campaign group and we have also

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been joined by Anna Jones from Greenpeace who also is a mother.

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Senia, tell us why you are concerned and you set up a group? Pollution in

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Battersea is so high because of this particular tunnel which all of North

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Battersea has to go through to get to the south Battersea to the

:52:48.:52:55.

shopping area. Prior five primary schools and care homes are involved

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which have to use the tunnel. And some research was conducted which

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found that there is a higher pollution in the whole Battersea in

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that tunnel which everybody using an foot, in addition to 79 is the buses

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which go through the tunnel and 89 role I, from 18 platforms above the

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tunnel which are part of Clapham Junction station. I know you have

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been campaigning to try to address that issue. In terms of practicality

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is, what are people doing as they go through the tunnel? The advice

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today's children in prams at school rush hour should be covered over. Is

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that correct? I'm not surprised at all. Everyone covered their faces

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with skulls in winter. In summer we are coughing. -- with scarves.

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People are trying to take the children to Devon, Dartmoor or

:53:57.:53:59.

Dorset in the summer for the summer holidays. I know it is a short while

:54:00.:54:04.

but it really helps, especially with clean air and organic food and

:54:05.:54:07.

children really do notice it when they come back and they have to go

:54:08.:54:11.

through the tunnel at Clapham Junction. Anna Jones, you are from

:54:12.:54:16.

Greenpeace and you are a mum as well, what is your perspective? We

:54:17.:54:20.

have to get to the root cause of this which is primarily diesel

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vehicles. We now have alternatives available. We need to make the

:54:26.:54:30.

transition away from old polluting vehicles and towards cleaner

:54:31.:54:32.

alternatives if we are going to get to grips with this. Putting a pram

:54:33.:54:36.

cover on might help a little bit today but those children are being

:54:37.:54:40.

exposed every day and children coming after them and we need to get

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to the root problem and shift the pollution completely away from our

:54:45.:54:48.

streets. Why haven't we talked much about pollution in recent years? I

:54:49.:54:53.

think we have but the scientific studies are coming thick and fast

:54:54.:55:05.

now. More and more people are looking into this, more and more

:55:06.:55:07.

people are becoming aware of what was previously invisible. The more

:55:08.:55:10.

we talk about it the more we realise it is affecting us. The study 's

:55:11.:55:13.

today show what kind of impact it is having, there is more about the

:55:14.:55:17.

diseases that the children might grow up to experience. Things like

:55:18.:55:22.

lung cancer, respiratory and heart diseases. I think finally we are

:55:23.:55:26.

talking about it but what we need is proper action to deal with the

:55:27.:55:31.

problem. You mentioned action on diesel cars, what else would you

:55:32.:55:35.

like to see? We are looking forward to the government's new plan and we

:55:36.:55:40.

hope that will phase out diesel vehicles from our cities. We will

:55:41.:55:45.

put in strong clean air zones to make sure the polluting vehicles are

:55:46.:55:52.

not entering areas which are really bad. I think we should look at

:55:53.:55:55.

measures like they have in Paris where an high pollution days they

:55:56.:55:58.

restrict hammy vehicles are allowed in. -- how many vehicles are allowed

:55:59.:56:05.

in. We have to get to grips with the industry which are continuing to

:56:06.:56:09.

produce vehicles which are producing up to 15 times more pollution than

:56:10.:56:14.

they should be. The BW scandal showed us one company which is

:56:15.:56:17.

cheating the system but what we have learned since then is all vehicle

:56:18.:56:22.

manufacturers are producing vehicles which produce up to 15 times as much

:56:23.:56:28.

produce and -- pollution as they should be. Senia, what would you

:56:29.:56:35.

like to see to address this? I would like to see a electric buses in all

:56:36.:56:41.

of London and possibly solar only car parks where the electric cars

:56:42.:56:45.

and electric buses as well could be charged everywhere in London. We

:56:46.:56:50.

have quite a few shopping zones around here as well and big

:56:51.:56:56.

supermarkets who could have warnings above their car parks with solar

:56:57.:57:01.

powered electric chargers for a electric cars. And it is obviously

:57:02.:57:06.

being discussed, you said there was a strategy forthcoming, do you

:57:07.:57:11.

expect there to be policy change? I think there will have to be. The

:57:12.:57:14.

government has been taken to court twice now and has been told to go

:57:15.:57:19.

and do its homework. We have to keep things to account and we will have

:57:20.:57:23.

to make some tough decisions. This is about a generation of children

:57:24.:57:30.

and those coming after who will be growing up to experience really

:57:31.:57:33.

serious health impacts. That has a big impact on our NHS. The

:57:34.:57:36.

government's on estimate is air pollution is costing us over ?27

:57:37.:57:42.

billion a year. Thank you both very much. I want to just bring you a

:57:43.:57:50.

couple more comments on school subjects being taken of the syllabus

:57:51.:57:52.

because of Budget cuts. Louisa has e-mailed and said we need to see

:57:53.:57:56.

schools as providing employees of the future. Why deny them the choice

:57:57.:58:05.

where they will switch off. We need all skills, not just academic.

:58:06.:58:08.

Teachers need to be seen as professionals and allowed to do

:58:09.:58:13.

their job without meddling. And, it was also made about payment

:58:14.:58:18.

for after-school clubs, the clubs are used often as a childcare

:58:19.:58:22.

options so they should be paid for by the parents. Thank you for your

:58:23.:58:26.

comments on that and your company today. I will see you soon. Have a

:58:27.:58:31.

lovely weekend. Goodbye. Let's Sing And Dance exploded onto

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our screens, setting the stage

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