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Hello. It's Friday. | :00:09. | :00:09. | |
A major shake-up of broadband services for thousands of customers | :00:10. | :00:18. | |
as BT says it will legally separate from Openreach. | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
We'll find out what the decision could mean for you. | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
No vote on tax rises for self-employed workers | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
Theresa May says the changes will reform the national | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
insurance system and make it "fairer and simpler". | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
People will be able to look at Government paper when we produce it | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
and take a judgement in the round and of course, the Chancellor will | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
be speaking as will his ministers to MPs, business people and others to | :00:49. | :00:49. | |
listen to the concerns. Also this morning, design | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
and technology, music, German - just some of the subjects being cut | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
at GCSE and A-Level by headteachers who say they're being | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
forced to scale back And are we living in | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
a golden age of satire? We'll talk to writers and performers | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
who say politics in 2017 is providing more material | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
than they ever thought possible. What's that doing in here? That's a | :01:12. | :01:28. | |
plate of mashed potato. We are lucky that Trump will provide most of the | :01:29. | :01:29. | |
jokes for the foreseeable future. Hello and welcome to the programme. | :01:30. | :01:43. | |
We're live until 11am. If you're a pupil or teacher | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
in a school where subjects are being cut, do get | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
in touch with us. Have you studied or taught | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
one of the less popular Does it matter if the fewer people | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
get to take it in the future? Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
we're talking about this morning - use #Victoria Live and if you text, | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
you will be charged It's been announced that | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
British Telecom and its Openreach service, which runs the UK's | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
broadband infrastructure, Telecoms regulator, Ofcom, says | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
Openreach will become a distinct company with its own staff, | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
management and strategy. Ofcom had been pushing for the move | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
following complaints about poor levels of service and had threatened | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
to force BT to legally Rory Cellan-Jones is our | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
technology correspondent. Good morning. So, tell us more about | :02:29. | :02:45. | |
why it is happening then. Well, this has been a long running battle. | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Critics says that BT's Openreach division which is responsible for | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
the broadband infrastructure across the UK, a vital bit of | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
infrastructure for all of us has not been doing a good job. Rivals like | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
Sky and TalkTalk say they depend on it and they can't rely on it and it | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
is biassed towards BT rather than them when it is supposed to be | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
impartial. That its engineers don't turn up on time and then customers | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
have been complaining that the roll out of fibre broadband services has | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
been too slow. So, Ofcom has been looking at this for a while. There | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
was a nuclear option where BT were forced to sell it off completely. It | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
would become a separate company. I think they concluded that would just | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
take a long time. BT would have challenged it in the courts. It | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
could have taken ten years to complete. So this is the sub-nuclear | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
option in a way. So it is a separate division. It is supposed to be run | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
separately and they are supposed to be arm's length from the rest of BT | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
and that's supposed to end up with a better service. Why would it end up | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
with a better service? Why does separating them make those things | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
that have been going wrong right? Well, that's the $64,000 question. | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
The theory is without having to look over their shoulder, there has been | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
accusations which BT denied that money they earn in Openreach is | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
spent on things like football rights. We have seen BT spend a | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
fortune this week on renewing its Champions League football rights. | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
This will make it clear that that can't happen. It should, it is built | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
into the process now that they are impartial so that they don't supply | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
better services to BT when it is talking about customers, to Sky or | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
TalkTalk or to any of the other people who are going to use that | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
service. The question then is where would that money go? It could, I | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
guess, go in terms of cuts to costs to customers or customer | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
improvements. Are they going to be forced to do one or the other? They | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
are going to have the same amount of money. It's more about the strategy | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
and more about the attitude and the culture of the company. There has | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
been a feeling that it has got too much of the legacy culture of what | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
was many years ago, of course, a state run monopoly. Some of those | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
habits have stayed with it and it will be leaner, quicker and more | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
focussed. It has got one job, rolling out broadband across Britain | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
and providing Britain with the kind of telecoms infrastructure it needs. | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
It will be responsible for that. It shouldn't be worrying about whether | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
it is delivering enough profits to the BT Group. It shouldn't in theory | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
have that on its plate too. OK, we will see happens, Rory thank you | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
very much. Does that bother you? Get in touch if you have got any | :05:30. | :05:30. | |
thoughts on that one. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Newsroom with a summary Labour has accused the Government | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
to national insurance, announced in the Budget, | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
to concerns before MPs voted Our Political Correspondent Alex | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
Forsyth reports from Westminster. Theresa May defended the plans | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
to increase national insurance contributions | :06:03. | :06:03. | |
for some self-employed workers. She said the measures would ensure | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
the tax system was fair, narrowing the gap between what employed | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
and self-employed people paid. The shift towards self-employment | :06:11. | :06:20. | |
is eroding the tax base. It is making it harder | :06:21. | :06:22. | |
to afford the public services on which ordinary | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
working families depend. This goes some way | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
towards fixing that. Despite being announced | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
in this week's Budget, MPs will not vote on the changes | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
until the autumn as separate Critics accused the Prime Minister | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
of a deliberate delay so the Government could soften | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
the proposals and stave off a potential rebellion | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
from Tory backbenchers But Mrs May stood firm saying | :06:45. | :06:45. | |
the tax rise was necessary in light of the country's changing workforce | :06:46. | :06:53. | |
and the timing would allow MPs to consider | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
the measures in the round. A paper detailing the full effect | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
of the national insurance changes will be published in the summer | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
followed by the results of a review Let's talk about this with Iann | :07:03. | :07:25. | |
Watson, Labour sense an opportunity to go on the attack here. Is Labour | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
getting much traction with this? Well, I think in the end this will | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
come down to the attitudes of the Conservative backbenchers. Labour | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
are slow off the mark in criticising this on Budget day, but since then | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
the Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, has called for this to be | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
withdrawn and the Liberal Democrats as well. And certainly, where I | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
think Labour can make an impact is talking to some of the Conservative | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
potential rebels on this to see what pressure can be put on the | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
Chancellor. But I think the timing, as Alex was saying, is crucial | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
because it allows Theresa May to do two things. Firstly, publish the | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
review into working practises which is likely to give, if you like, | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
self-employed people more value for money from their tax rise, they | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
might be getting maternity or paternity rights. If that isn't | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
enough to buy off some of these rebels on her own side then there | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
is, of course, uniquely this year two Budgets so the Chancellor could | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
do something there and I have been speaking to some people who are | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
displeased about this on the Conservative benches and one of them | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
said very pleased to see attempts to soften the blow by perhaps looking | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
at these new rights and benefits that people could get, but | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
ultimately what they wanted to see was a delay in implementing the | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
measure. So telling people they wouldn't have to pay the extra by | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
2019. Whether the Chancellor will be prepared to do that is another | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
matter because the more concessions he makes, of course, the less money | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
that comes to the Treasury. Iani, thank you very much. | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
Schools in England are being forced to cut GCSE and A-Level courses | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
in an effort to balance the books, according to a head teachers' union. | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
The Association of School and College Leaders has warned | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
budget pressures are driving up class sizes and causing them | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
to cancel activities such as social clubs and school trips. | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
Our Education Correspondent Gillian Hargreaves reports. | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
Peter Woodman at the Weald School might be a head teacher | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
but he still likes to work at the chalk face, partly | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
because he enjoys it but partly because it saves money | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
The only reason we can survive is we are carrying forward | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
And if the Government stick to their pledges over | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
the next five years, with the cash flow and budgets, | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
we will be making cuts to something like 70,000 every year, | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
Peter is one of dozens of heads in south-east England who wrote | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
to parents yesterday informing them of the impact of cuts. | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
In a poll of more than 1,000 members of the ASCL union almost three | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
quarters said they had to make cuts to GCSE or vocational courses | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
The most common subjects to have been removed | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
were design and technology, performing arts, music and German. | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
I think really important parts of education will be cut. | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
Class sizes will increase and I think they are probably | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
already at capacity, teachers' jobs will | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
I think the worry is it just places more and more pressure | :10:19. | :10:32. | |
on the teaching staff so actually it is them that are going to have | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
to end up working longer, harder to make this work. | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
On average, heads said that the largest class size was now | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
33 pupils however the Government said official statistics showed | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
the average secondary class size has fallen over the past decade to just | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
20 pupils and that ?40 billion has been spent on schools this year. | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
Later on in the show, we will be speaking to educators | :10:50. | :11:03. | |
about the pressures being faced by schools. | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
European leaders are continuing the second day | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
of their summit in Brussels today, but without Theresa May. | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
The British Prime Minister left last night. | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
The meeting was her last summit ahead of the formal triggering | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
Mrs May was keen to downplay the situation, insisting that | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
Britain will continue to play a leading role in Europe | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
and offering suggestions on other topics including | :11:24. | :11:24. | |
Issues expected to be discussed today include the economy, | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
It has emerged that some detainees held at an immigration removal | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
centre near Gatwick Airport have been there for as long | :11:37. | :11:38. | |
Prison inspectors found that children had also been | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
detained at Brook House which holds almost 400 adult male | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
asylum seekers, illegal immigrants and foreign national offenders. | :11:49. | :11:50. | |
The Home Office says some people prolong detention by trying | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
Seven people have been injured in an axe attack at the main railway | :11:53. | :12:03. | |
station in the western German city of Duesseldorf, police say. | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
The attack happened at about 9pm local time yesterday. | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
A 36-year-old man from the former Yugoslavia, | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
suffers from psychological problems, according to Duesseldorf police. | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
Patients and doctors have called for "do not resuscitate" notices | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
to be replaced with orders that offer a range of treatments. | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
Currently, "do not resuscitate" orders instruct medical | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
professionals not to use intensive and invasive treatments | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
if a patient's heart stops beating or they stop breathing. | :12:33. | :12:34. | |
A British Medical Journal article says a number of options should be | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
Makers of Game of Thrones announced the show will return for its seventh | :12:38. | :12:55. | |
season in July. Fans watched an online video to see a block of ice | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
being melt to see the air date which will be 17th July in the UK. It is | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
the latest the show has aired as filming was delayed due to a lack of | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
wintry conditions! That's a summary of the latest BBC | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
News - more at 9.30. Thank you. You're getting in touch | :13:14. | :13:24. | |
on school subjects being dropped. Jonathan said, "I studied GCSE | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
astronomy. I felt because it was not a key subject it was marginalised | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
and I just learnt it was scrapped from next year." Another viewer | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
says, "Attended son's year eight options evening last night. He will | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
only be allowed to do nine GCSEs of which only two are his chosen ones. | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
The rest are compulsory." Mike says, "If funding is not forthcoming many | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
less popular subjects will be lost. I'm fed up hearing that fund is at | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
its highest ever. I am a teacher of design and technology. Without this | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
subject, no one would get confidence in DIY, we will not provide the | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
spark and thrill of using tools and machinery, craftsmen, engineers and | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
designers. DT can only run safely in smaller class sizes and therefore | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
must be protected." Keep them coming in. We will be talking more about | :14:19. | :14:20. | |
them soon. Now the sport with Hugh. | :14:21. | :14:34. | |
British cycling admitted to failings in their world-class programme after | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
a draft version of the independent report was leaked overnight. Let's | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
find out more about what the report has said with Matt Lowton who has | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
seen it and joins us on the phone this morning. Matt, first of all, it | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
talks about a culture of fear at British cycling? Yeah, it does and | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
we've been aware that that's the kind of tone that it was going to | :15:00. | :15:08. | |
follow for sometime. It talks about a way that the world-class | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
performance programme was run by Dave Brailsford and Shane Sutton. It | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
will make for an interesting debate because as Dave Brailsford said | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
recently he was medallists rather than sexist, I think, was the quote, | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
and you know, it will open a debate about what constitutes hard coaching | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
that delivers results and where that line is that a coach crosses in | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
terms of the treatment of athletes, you know, it's a really interesting | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
debate. You look at, you could look at a number of Premier League | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
football managers and wonder if they, how they would fair under this | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
scrutiny. It talks about Sir David Aylesford | :15:54. | :16:01. | |
being untouchable and questioning the leadership wallet is of Steve | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
Sutton -- Shane Sutton. This all started because of complaints made | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
by Jess Varnish about and Sutton. This was the big thing form a full | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
independent panel which has under this review which is yet to be | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
published in its final version, it wasn't their remit to try and | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
establish who was telling the truth between Jess Varnish and Shane | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
Sutton, it was more the way that the internal enquiry into the Jess | :16:39. | :16:46. | |
Varnish allegations were handled by British cycling. They appointed one | :16:47. | :16:49. | |
of their board members to conduct the investigation. She came back | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
with her findings and of the nine allegations, it appears that she | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
found that more than one was upheld. In the end when they reported | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
publicly the conclusions, they only upheld one of the allegations of the | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
nine against Shane Sutton. What this report is saying is the British | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
cycling board's handling of the situation was inept. They reversed | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
some of the findings and they sanitised Alex Russell's report. | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
Thank you very much for now. We should say that reduce cycling | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
overnight said the world-class cycling programme focused without | :17:30. | :17:38. | |
sufficient care to the athlete and environment. | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
Thank you. A new warning from headteachers | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
about the pressures on our They say schools are being | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
forced to drop subjects, increase class sizes, | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
and cut back on trips and after school clubs | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
because of the funding crisis. The most common GCSE and A level | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
subjects to be dropped was design and technology, said the Association | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
of Teachers and Lecturers' poll That was followed by | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
performing arts courses, music and languages, | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
and art and design. The Government insists it's putting | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
a record amount of funding into schools and in this week's | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
budget unveiled new cash for existing schools and an expansion | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
of the free schools programme. This morning, the Education | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
Secretary Justine Greening will be addressing head teachers | :18:17. | :18:18. | |
at their annual Lets get reaction to this, | :18:19. | :18:20. | |
and talk to Carl Ward, the Chief Executive of an academy | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
group in Stoke on Trent, and the Vice-President | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
of the Association of School and College Leaders, | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
Carol Herman, the head teacher at Shenfield High School in Essex | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
and Jake Pinder, who is studying Furniture and Product Design | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
at Nottingham Trent University. Thank you all very much for joining | :18:38. | :18:48. | |
us. Karl, first of all, you are going to be on stage with Justine | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
Greening at the conference today. What message do you want her to get? | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
The funding crisis is real but I need to make a couple of points. The | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
first point I would agree with the DFC is that there is far more money | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
then there has ever been, that is because we have more students | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
entering the system. Schools have been suffering with flat cash | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
budgets for the last three years. They have been making real-time cuts | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
because costs have increased. That is one of the biggest issues. Second | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
one is with subjects being cut by schools, schools do not want to do | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
that, but they are being forced into the back position because they have | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
got to cut somewhere to decrease costs. The biggest issue there there | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
is the problem with the accountability system. Many of their | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
subjects we can talk about, music, DT and so on, are not... Any more. | :19:40. | :19:53. | |
When schools have to make points. I also want to make clear the | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
Secretary of State cares really deeply about this issue so we really | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
need to get together to find a common solution for us all. Just | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
spell out what is being cut and where? It is a survey by the | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
Association of School and College Leaders. The reality is costs have | :20:13. | :20:20. | |
increased. For example, in my main school, over the last year we have | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
reduced hours laughing by ten staff, echoes the biggest area of costs for | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
any school staffing and that is where you can make the biggest | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
savings. Class sizes have increased from that active in certain areas. | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
We are really looking at reducing as many costs as possible. For the last | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
three years we have had to find ?350,000 from the current Budget to | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
deal with increased costs. In the next three years I will have to find | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
further ?150,000, in five years, that is ?500,000 out of the Budget. | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
Every time teachers' pay increases and used money from the government | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
to cover that. I don't any more. I have defined that from within the | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
school Budget. Carol, you are a headteacher. Are you having to cut | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
subjects? I am indeed. I am certainly considering it. The | :21:17. | :21:25. | |
problem is even though we have a cat/ -- a flash cut Budget, we have | :21:26. | :21:33. | |
to look at increased national insurance contributions, pensions | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
contributions and a pension levy and so wonderful is top school like my | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
own, Shenfield High School, obviously we focus on the core | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
subjects. For many that is their ticket into further education, | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
higher education and employment. But we are also known here for our | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
excellent sport and performing arts. We have to look for a carefully. We | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
will not cut those because it is absolutely essential to the nature | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
of the school, but we are having to look very carefully at other | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
subjects such as design technology. This is exacerbated by the fact that | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
teaches don't want to train in the subjects any more, because the | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
emphasis is far more on other subjects will stop its a real double | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
bind. We may have to cut those slightly less popular subjects or | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
ones with less kudos because of cost savings and actually, it is very | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
difficult to recruit in those areas as well. It is a really tricky time | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
for schools. Jake, you are doing a degree in furniture and product | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
design and you studied design at GCSE and A-level, if you had not | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
been able to study that what difference would it have made for | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
you? It would have made it a lot more difficult to go to school. I am | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
dyslexic and really struggle with English and maths and those core | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
subjects. Because I had this outlet which was designed technology, it | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
encouraged me to go to school altogether. So what do you think | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
about the fact that it is being seen as expendable in the face of Budget | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
difficulties? I think you will run the risk of isolating a lot of | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
children that aren't maybe as academically minded, or pushing out | :23:18. | :23:27. | |
people that are not good at subject, what are known as core subjects like | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
maths and sciences. Sometimes, people need to be told they are good | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
at something like a musician that cannot read or write or someone like | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
me who was always good at drawing. That is all I enjoyed as well. It is | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
difficult. Carol, as you are listening to Jake you are nodding. | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
The Department Frederick and has put out a statement and it has said | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
about that cash on schools is on record levels -- the Department for | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
Education has put out a statement. Going on to look at practical ways | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
of helping schools, they say we recognise that schools are facing | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
cost pressures which is why will continue to use funding and look at | :24:11. | :24:19. | |
best possible value. Are there other ways to make the money go further? | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
We offer a good at getting the best value already and we have been doing | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
that because we have had to. I think what is really frustrating is | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
announcements such as the ones in the Budget where money is going into | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
grammar schools and free schools, where actually existing schools are | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
not being properly looked after. I would welcome conversations with | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
Justine Greening and the Chancellor who is actually an ex-boy of | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
Shenfield High School, pointing out what it is like on the ground. There | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
is no evidence that grammar schools will support social mobility. We | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
know only 3% of children in grammar schools are children on free school | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
meals. It is not going to work necessarily. All the research is | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
against it. Let's have a look at existing schools. We are absolutely | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
committed to making sure we have a diverse, broad and balanced | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
curriculum and that we are inclusive of all talents. If we have not got | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
the right Budget settlements, we are forced because of our accountability | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
is to look at being less diverse and less inclusive and that is a great | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
site with. You said you wanted to talk to Justine Greening and Philip | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
Hammond. We also would have liked to. We invited them onto the | :25:35. | :25:44. | |
programme but they were unable to put anyone up for us. That is a | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
great shame. The system as it stands is unfair and opaque and the changes | :25:52. | :25:59. | |
mean half of England's schools will get a cash boost, how will that | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
change the picture? I think it will change the pit your for those | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
schools that get a cash boost. There are winners and losers in this is. | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
There is going to be rebalancing overtime and it is important to know | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
at the moment that the proposals out for the national funding formula are | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
a proposal, we are in consultation period with that. That is why I | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
think it is important that the government and education system need | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
to work together to find a common area and common ground to move | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
forwards. It is only working in corporation where we can use forward | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
-- move forward most importantly to provide a fantastic education for | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
students. I am a. I have two children. I have seen from the coal | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
face, from eye on children who are at primary school at the moment, for | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
example having to pay for after-school clubs. That should not | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
be happening. If that primary school is in a position where they cannot | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
provide after-school clubs because they have not got the money and | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
parents have to provide that, then we have a pretty serious problem in | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
the education system for funding. Martin has e-mailed and said I have | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
been a teacher for six years and this doesn't is destroying the | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
quality of education. I work in a rare community School and we worked | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
incredibly hard. With the new cuts it will be impossible. Teachers are | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
devastated to close down a level groups and often leave teaching | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
altogether. If all we see is Budget cuts, it is released that. Chris is | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
a performing arts teacher and he says please take education away from | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
politicians. They know nothing about what is needed in schools. It is | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
said to moralising to see idiotic decisions made without any thought | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
consequences for the children and staff. | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
It is actually heartbreaking. Do you think subjects like DT, German and | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
music, subjects which are not necessarily that efficient for | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
schools to teach because they do have fewer students, do you think | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
they will disappear off the curriculum. I think there is a | :28:02. | :28:09. | |
danger that they will. The issue is acute and they need to deal with | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
things quickly. Because schools are coping but they will not down the | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
line. The system will feed through like that and it will hurt | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
everybody. I think it is a real shame that we are in a position that | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
headteachers across the country in many schools are doing a fantastic | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
job, under tough financial circumstances to keep these in | :28:31. | :28:32. | |
place, and I think it is a real shame that they are having to make | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
decisions to narrow the curriculum when they don't want to, and it is | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
partly because of funding and partly because the accountability system | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
now means you have got to make tough choices to do that. It is the wrong | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
thing for children. Thank you all very much and do keep your comments | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
coming in on that. They are always welcome. Still to come, it has | :28:54. | :29:04. | |
emerged some detainees at a removal centre near Gatwick Airport have | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
been there for 2.5 years. The Home Office as they do not want to detain | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
people for longer than necessary. We will find out why they are being | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
held for so long. And is it time to vacate the Houses | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
of Parliament to carry out essential restoration? The old building has | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
asbestos, leeks and electrical faults. Putting it right there will | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
cost around ?4 billion. Let us know what you think about that. First of | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
all, let's catch up with all of the news. | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
Good morning. BT has bowed to pressure | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
from telecoms regulator Ofcom to legally separate Openreach, | :29:41. | :29:42. | |
which runs the UK's Ofcom says Openreach | :29:43. | :29:44. | |
will become a distinct company with its own staff, | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
management and strategy. It will also have to consult | :29:48. | :29:49. | |
with customers such as Sky The regulator had been pushing | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
for the move following complaints about poor levels of service and had | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
threatened to force BT Labour has accused the Government | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said | :29:59. | :30:08. | |
controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not | :30:09. | :30:10. | |
be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes | :30:11. | :30:12. | |
to national insurance, announced in the budget, | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen | :30:16. | :30:17. | |
to concerns before MPs voted Schools in England are being forced | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
to cut GCSE and A-Level courses in an effort to balance the books, | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
according to a head teachers' union. The Association of School | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
and College Leaders has warned budget pressures are driving up | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
class sizes and causing them to cancel activities such as social | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
clubs and school trips. Members of the organisation are due | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
to raise their concerns with the Education Secretary, | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
Justine Greening, when she addresses their annual conference | :30:42. | :30:43. | |
in Birmingham today. European leaders are | :30:44. | :30:53. | |
continuing the second day of their summit in Brussels today, | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
but without Theresa May The meeting was the Prime Minister's | :30:56. | :30:57. | |
last summit ahead of the formal Mrs May was keen to downplay | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
the situation, insisting that Britain will continue to play | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
a leading role in Europe and offering suggestions | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
on other topics including Seven people have been injured | :31:08. | :31:09. | |
in an axe attack at the main railway station in the German city | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
of Duesseldorf, police say. The attack happened at about 9pm | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
local time yesterday. A 36-year-old man from the former | :31:21. | :31:22. | |
Yugoslavia, who suffers from psychological problems, | :31:23. | :31:31. | |
according to Duesseldorf police. Protests are taking place in Seoul | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
after South Korea's highest court upheld a decision to remove | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
the country's president from office. Park Geun-hye was impeached over | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
a corruption scandal, She will now lose her immunity | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
against prosecution The decision was met | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
by cheering in the streets from opponents of Ms Park, | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
but her supporters Police say two people have died | :31:51. | :31:52. | |
during protests outside the court. That's a summary of | :31:53. | :32:00. | |
the latest BBC News. Thank you. Lots of you getting in | :32:01. | :32:12. | |
touch on school subjects being cut. Brian says, "Cutting a subject like | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
design and technology when the Government is announcing tech | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
levels. Typical attitude of headteachers and other teachers | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
thinking these subjects are irrelevant. I was a DT teacher for | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
years before retiring. It is not woodwork which some teachers call it | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
today." Vincent says, "There are not enough kids to take these courses so | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
they are not cost effective. It makes common sense." Another teacher | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
says, "I resigned from my post as the writing had been on the wall | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
already. I was extremely happy or I am happy teaching at an | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
international school in Brazil. No Ofsted, smaller class sizes and | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
accommodation provided by the school and a culture that's healthy. Soon | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
there will be a shortage of good teachers." So many of you getting in | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
touch. Keep your comments coming in. We love to get them. | :33:07. | :33:08. | |
Now the sport with Hugh. British Cycling have admitted | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
to failings in their World Class Performance Programme after a draft | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
version of the independent report into the sport's governing body | :33:16. | :33:17. | |
was leaked overnight. It claims there is a "culture | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
of fear" among staff at British cycling and that an internal | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
British Cycling report following Jess Varnish's claims | :33:24. | :33:24. | |
of sexism against former technical director Shane Sutton | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
was "sanitised". Manchester United can claim they got | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
a good result on a bad pitch. Henrikh Mkitaryan scored | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
the away goal in a 1-1 draw at Rostov in the first leg | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
of their Europa League England's cricketers, | :33:40. | :33:41. | |
cruise in the Caribbean. Victory in the third one day | :33:42. | :33:52. | |
international in Barbados secures It's emerged that some detainees | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
at an immigration removal centre near Gatwick Airport have been held | :33:57. | :34:07. | |
there for as long as Let's get more on this from our home | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
affairs correspondent, Danny Shaw. Two-and-a-half years without charge? | :34:11. | :34:21. | |
Yes. Because these are people who include foreign offenders, people | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
who are asylum seekers who are waiting for their claims to be | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
processed and people who are illegally in the country. It doesn't | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
mean they have broken any law, but they have been detained at Brooke | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
House immigration centre near Gatwick Airport. It holds 400 men | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
and what we learn from this inspection report into Brooke House | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
is that the average stay for detainees there has increased | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
substantially. It is now a couple of months, two or three months the | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
average stay and 23 people were held for over a year. Of whom four were | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
held for longer than two years. And the longest stay was over | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
two-and-a-half years. I've learned from this report, if you borough | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
into the detail that two children were held at the centre mistakenly, | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
they were categorised as adults by an immigration officer. They were | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
held for two months. How old were they? We don't know their ages, but | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
social services reassessed them and said they are children so they | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
shouldn't have been held at a centre for adults. Why are people held for | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
so long? Well, these decisions about whether someone is allowed to stay | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
in the country or leave are difficult. They're tricky. They're | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
not straightforward and once a decision has been made getting them | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
to actually get on to a flight can be very difficult because they need | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
documentation, sometimes the country to which they're going doesn't want | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
to take themment flights have to be arranged and then the detainee | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
themselves may have a number of different appeal processes that they | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
are allowed to go through. So these are complex matters and they can | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
take sometime. The Home Office is saying that some people are | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
deliberately trying to frustrate the process and in doing so, they're | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
prolonging their stay of detention. They are almost saying it is their | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
own fault in some of the cases. Is there a finite period, I mean, the | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
processes have to run out at some point. These four are still there, | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
two-and-a-half years on, how much longer can they be there? They were | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
documented as being there for that length of time. There is no time | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
limit on how long someone can be held, but a review last year into | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
immigration detention across the UK said, you know, that the use of it | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
should be reduced because it is expensive. It costs ?34,000 per | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
detainee per year and around half of those detained aren't removed. | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
They're released back into the community and while you're detained | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
in those conditions and Brooke House is akin to a prison in the way that | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
it is set-up, why you're detained, you will see the welfare, the health | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
of those people can deteriorate so there are concerns there. | :37:04. | :37:05. | |
Thank you very much, Danny. A couple say they were ecstatic | :37:06. | :37:15. | |
after having twins. Russia says it is doing | :37:16. | :37:30. | |
everything in its power to organise a safe World Cup, | :37:31. | :37:32. | |
without the violence that marred the European Championship | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
in France last year. Russian hooligans were involved | :37:36. | :37:37. | |
in street battles then, with England This week, Britain's top police | :37:38. | :37:39. | |
official for football has been in Russia to check how safe | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
it is for travelling fans. Sarah Rainsford reports | :37:44. | :37:45. | |
from St Petersburg. In Marseille, English fans became | :37:46. | :38:02. | |
one of the top targets for a new breed of Russian hooligan, | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
more athletic, disciplined and organised than the English | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
hooligans they once So this week Britain's top policeman | :38:11. | :38:12. | |
for football was in Russia to compare notes on known | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
troublemakers and to ensure security I think anyone watching that | :38:18. | :38:19. | |
would have been absolutely appalled. What we need to do is build | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
on the good working relationship and try to do everything to ensure | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
that anyone coming to Russia Russia dismisses what happened | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
in France as a one-off, and it insists that any talk | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
of a hooligan problem It's clearly anxious, | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
because of course the last thing Russia wants at the World Cup | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
is embarrassingly empty stands. There has never been a single | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
incident during major sporting events in Russia that proves | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
that we can really We're not dangerous | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
because hooligans in Russia, they worry about fighting | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
because the police can cage them and we can go to prison and it | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
will be big problems here. The human rights lawyer Amal Clooney | :39:01. | :39:17. | |
has urged the UN to act against so-called Islamic State | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
by backing a UK-led investigation Speaking at the UN, Mrs Clooney said | :39:21. | :39:22. | |
IS had declared it will "destroy" the country's Yazidi ethnic group | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
through murder, rape She told the UN she wanted to know | :39:28. | :39:28. | |
why no action had been taken. Mass graves in Iraq lie | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
unprotected and unexhumed. Witnesses are fleeing, and not one | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
Isis militant has faced trial for international crimes anywhere | :39:43. | :39:44. | |
in the world. So I am speaking to you, | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
the Iraqi Government, and to you, UN Member States, | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
when I ask, why? Why is it that nothing | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
has been done? I wish to speak directly | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
to Prime Minister Abadi. On behalf of all Isis' victims, | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
I call on you to send the letter to the Security Council requesting | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
an investigation into Isis' crimes. Getting the UN involved | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
was initially Iraq's idea, and finally taking action to make | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
this a reality would silence those who doubt your commitment to bring | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
Daesh to justice. And finally to all of the UN | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
Member States, if this road to accountability through | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
the Security Council is blocked, you must take initiative to secure | :40:33. | :40:34. | |
accountability in other ways available to you under | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
the UN Charter. Don't let this be another Rwanda, | :40:39. | :40:47. | |
where you regret doing Later Ms Clooney and Yazidi genocide | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
survivor Nadia Murad explained why I think you have to ask the Iraqi | :40:50. | :41:02. | |
government why the Iraqi government hasn't acted | :41:03. | :41:11. | |
to create this investigation. Clearly they're not able to do it | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
themselves on the ground, you know? There are a grand total of 32 | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
forensic pathologists in Iraq to try and deal with all of these crimes | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
that have been committed. We know that they are not able | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
to conduct investigations and prosecutions themselves | :41:27. | :41:28. | |
because there have not been any prosecutions of Isis members | :41:29. | :41:30. | |
for crimes of sexual violence, for crimes committed | :41:31. | :41:32. | |
against the Yazidis, international So there is no reason | :41:33. | :41:34. | |
for them not to act. They have themselves asked for UN | :41:35. | :41:41. | |
assistance and, even today, you heard the Iraqi ambassador ask | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
for UN assistance with the investigation, so we have | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
to translate these public statements into an actual deed that will make | :41:48. | :41:50. | |
this happen on the ground, and that's why I made a clear call | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
at the end directly to the Prime Minister of Iraq to say | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
"Send a letter to the UN Security Council requesting this | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
investigation and it will happen." It's not too much to ask, | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
it's really not that difficult, it's in the interest not only | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
of Yazidi victims but of all Iraqis, because all sects of Iraq has been | :42:09. | :42:11. | |
victims of Isis's violence. There's no excuse | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
for any further delay. Loads of you getting in touch. | :42:16. | :42:38. | |
Louise says, "Why deny children of the subjects of their choice? We | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
need all skills, not just academics. Teachers need to be seen as | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
professionals and allowed to do their job without meddling about | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
Government and Ofsted." Kathy says, "A payment was made about -- a | :42:53. | :43:01. | |
comment was made about comment. We need funding for teachers to teach | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
in the real-time of school to help the children to achieve the required | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
level of maths and English." Keep your thoughts coming in. | :43:09. | :43:16. | |
It's going to cost ?4 billion to fix the Houses of Parliament and stop | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
this world-famous site slowly crumbling into the Thames. | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
It is a huge amount of public money, but as these pictures show, | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
the buildings are in a very poor state of repair. | :43:27. | :43:34. | |
Is there any way of keeping the costs down? | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
The influential Public Accounts Committee the most effective way | :43:41. | :43:42. | |
of keeping costs down is by asking them all to leave the building | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
for a whole six years, whilst works commence. | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
But where should politicians go and should politicians think | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
of going to a place other than the south of England | :43:51. | :43:52. | |
Joining us now is the SNP's Philip Boswell who sits on the MPs' | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
Public Accounts Committee and before becoming a politician was a surveyor | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
The material that Parliament is made out of. | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
And also Dr Faiza Shaheem, director of CLASS, | :44:04. | :44:05. | |
the Centre for Labour and Social Studies. | :44:06. | :44:07. | |
Thank you both for joining us. Philip, with your surveyor's hat on | :44:08. | :44:16. | |
then, tell us why ?4 billion to fix what the issues are, what are the | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
issues? Well, good morning Joanna. Well, first of all, it is a | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
limestone which can be classified as sandstone, but the stone work is in | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
poor repair, but particularly it's the services that cause a problem | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
and water ingres. So there is lots of problems that have been storing | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
up over the years and the decades in fact, although quite a lot of work | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
has been done, there is a serious risk there could be a catastrophic | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
failure, it could be electrical fire. It could be, it is something | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
that the drains are regularly blocking up. It could be any number | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
of things that cause an emergency situation whereby we would have no | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
planned removal to another location which would cost even more. So it | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
sounds like doing nothing is not an option? That's correct. How quickly | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
would it need to be done? Well, there are a few options on the table | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
at the moment and we need to understand that we're still at quite | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
an early stage of development. The project is yet to find itself. We | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
are looking at options or the project teams that will be put in | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
place will be looking at various ogses, but you have to put better | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
definition around that to understand what the true costs will be and to | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
understand the works that will be carried out and of course, you have | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
to select which option you prefer to go ahead with. So there is a lot of | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
work still to be done. The ?4 billion isn't a quote to be signed | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
off on, it is an estimate, but it is a mind blowing amount. I mean, | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
obviously, it is a very special building. It's a big building. But | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
how is ?4 billion the figure that's arrived at? Sp | :45:53. | :46:01. | |
First we should be clear what the order of magnitude estimate is. | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
There is very little definition about the exec nature of the works. | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
The option, certainly, if you ask any quantity surveyor or project | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
manager, they will automatically say that a full to count is the best | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
option. There is a lot of work still to be carried out. We need | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
disruptive surveys, dilapidation surveys. We need to get in to look | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
at the amount of asbestos which is down there. The 36 rises which | :46:35. | :46:43. | |
create a fire hazard. There is still a huge amount of work to be done | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
before we can determine the optimum solution for this. ?4 billion is a | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
lot of money but it is a world Heritage iconic building and it | :46:50. | :46:57. | |
belongs to every citizen of the UK. So Faiza you look at this and see it | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
as an option for MPs to move out of London for a while? Yes, when you | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
look at the regional divides in this country and the inequalities which | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
have been left gaping open for years, when you see the | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
opportunities for politicians to be in Manchester or Birmingham, | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
somewhere outside of London, at a time when people feel all editions | :47:22. | :47:23. | |
are not speaking to them unless you live in London and the south-east, | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
what an amazing opportunity this is at least in the interim to decamp. | :47:27. | :47:39. | |
And what about the money? It is an important building and I understand | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
that money has to be spent. We can think about how it has be done over | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
time. I have not looked at the numbers in any detail. Maybe if we | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
move Parliament out of London for some period of time maybe we can do | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
the work slower, maybe that will make it cheaper? I do know. It is | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
not a question of not investing in that building, it is a question of | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
democracy and the opportunity to go back to some basic questions about | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
why we have Parliament in London stock London has everything, a | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
commercial centre, a financial centre, Eddisbury unusual to have | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
all of in one place. -- it is very unusual to have all that in one | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
place. Do you think there is an option to move out of London? It was | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
an option and it is the consideration I would have some | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
sympathy for. However, the Public Accounts Committee, we can look at | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
the evidence that is but for us and since that option was removed prior | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
to coming to public accounts, it is not an option we have been able to | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
look at. So it is possible, it is not totally off the table? I believe | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
it is an option which has been removed prior to any detailed cost | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
estimates which have been carried out. It was initially mooted as a | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
possibility but sadly it has been removed. There are other options. | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
There are other sites. I asked several witnesses whether it was | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
possible to partially decamp which is another edge and to make it | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
cheaper or at least to keep some activity in the palace, but as I | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
said earlier, no doubt the cheapest option and what we recommend is | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
backing up that the joint committee found, that a full decamp would give | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
us the best and most effective option. Thank you both. | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
A couple have spoken of their joy after becoming parents to children | :49:36. | :49:37. | |
conceived with the help of two lesbian surrogate mothers. | :49:38. | :49:40. | |
Tracy and Pete Akoun suffered repeated miscarriages and fell | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
victim to a con-woman as they battled to | :49:43. | :49:44. | |
They then met Tricia Hunt and Kate Fruin-Smith, | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
two lesbians who each have their own partners | :49:48. | :49:49. | |
and children and live in different parts of the UK. | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
The group came together, and Nyobi and Kenya who you can see | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
here with Tracy and Pete, were born last summer | :49:59. | :50:00. | |
Tracy is joining us on the line and Kate, one of these are but mothers | :50:01. | :50:19. | |
is with us. Tracy, you had miscarriages and one failed | :50:20. | :50:27. | |
surrogacy attempt. Before Kenya and Nyobi arrived, how were you feeling | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
about the prospect of whether parenthood would happen to two? It | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
is a dream which you think will never happen. It just seemed so far | :50:37. | :50:46. | |
away for us. On top of the fact that our own personal losses, you feel it | :50:47. | :50:57. | |
all slipping away. How did you find Tricia and Kate? I was actually | :50:58. | :51:05. | |
brought into our closed group Hope by another surrogates who is | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
obviously now a very good friend of ours and I got talking to Kate and | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
Tricia as friends in the group that way. And then when things went wrong | :51:16. | :51:23. | |
with our initial Farragut, they stepped in -- when things went wrong | :51:24. | :51:30. | |
with our initial surrogates. Kate had got the all clear from her | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
consultant to be a surrogate again and we got talking and that is when | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
it happened. Were you intending to try for two babies at once ordered | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
that just happened? ... Pete and I decided we wanted two. We took in | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
consideration our age and the fact that Pete is a twin, he wanted his | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
children close together. We just felt that is what we wanted for us | :51:56. | :52:01. | |
as a family. Kate, you obviously were one of the surrogates mums, you | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
had done it previously? Yes, my first surrogate baby is nearly three | :52:07. | :52:15. | |
now. Why did you decide to do it? It is an amazing experience. The | :52:16. | :52:18. | |
experience I have from my first written in C which was not a good | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
pregnancy made me realise that the short-term pain was worth the | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
long-term gain and being able to see those families develop was so worth | :52:27. | :52:33. | |
the pregnancy. When I saw the heartache that Pete and Tracy went | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
through, I knew that they were somebody I wanted to help. They | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
deserved to have that happy ending after everything they went through | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
and they were still positive and a happy and supportive couple towards | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
other people. People find it very hard to get to grips with the | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
thought of carrying a baby, delivering that baby and then | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
handing it over. How was that? The babies are conceived with surrogacy. | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
They are not conceived to be our children. Even before they are | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
conceived we are very much in the mindset that we are carrying for | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
somebody else. That baby was never intended to be part of my family or | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
my make up. When I am going through pregnancy, the visualisation is | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
Tracy and Pete and my family, not my family. When I was pregnant with | :53:23. | :53:29. | |
mine I envisaged them growing up as you do as a parent. Ukip sure what | :53:30. | :53:36. | |
they will be like. You have four -- you picture what they would be like. | :53:37. | :53:43. | |
I have four and my wife's carried another. Tracy, you go into a | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
vulnerable situation top did you feel possible that Kate or one of | :53:51. | :53:53. | |
the other surrogates parents might have decided to keep the baby? No, | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
never. Never in a million years. Kate actually said initially that we | :54:01. | :54:09. | |
would not be paying any expenses up until we had our first scam to | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
reassure us that there was an actual AD there. -- our first scan. -- to | :54:14. | :54:25. | |
reassure us there was an actual baby there. And I think you were not | :54:26. | :54:36. | |
together when you gave birth? She was too impatient. By the time | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
Tracey and Pete arrived at the hospital she had already arrived. | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
What is it like as one unusual but blended family? When they came into | :54:47. | :54:54. | |
the room, the look on their faces was worth every minute. The whole | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
journey was worth a look on their faces to see their daughter and to | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
complete their family like that, if the something that nobody can ever | :55:03. | :55:09. | |
describe. And Tracy? Kate will tell you, she will laugh now, she will | :55:10. | :55:18. | |
know I am crying now. At that moment, there is nothing can | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
describe it. It is indescribable. And then there is that point when | :55:22. | :55:29. | |
Tracy you walk away with Kenya and Kate, you are left behind? I did not | :55:30. | :55:38. | |
feel left behind. We keep in contact. As soon as they were in the | :55:39. | :55:41. | |
car I was getting pictures of them on their first journey home. I | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
always knew that is how they would be. They would go off. We have a | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
family have planned our family holidays and things like that for | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
afterwards. Kenya being in July meant we had all our summer holidays | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
and I was raring to get back to being with my children and give them | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
the quality time that they deserve as well. Tracy, how would you | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
describe your family, how do you see this situation? It is perfect. It is | :56:08. | :56:15. | |
absolutely perfect. The aim of doing this media is to promote surrogacy, | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
to give people who have no hope another option that is acceptable | :56:20. | :56:28. | |
and to promote the conference on Saturday which is run by an | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
organisation to give people the information because there is nothing | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
more devastating, as a wife particularly, it is the one thing | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
you are supposed to do is create a family. And it can be hard. Lovely | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
to talk to both. Good luck with everything. | :56:48. | :56:53. | |
I just want to bring you some comments on subjects and schools | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
being cut because of constraints on budgets. Lots and lots of you still | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
getting in touch. Tim has e-mailed to say in further education colleges | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
we have had 24% of cuts in funding over the last five years with | :57:07. | :57:08. | |
redundancies every year. The Bulls have less contact time and teachers | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
have doubled the amount of work -- pupils have less contact time. The | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
funding in education is absolutely dire, regardless of what the | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
government says. Stephen e-mails saying cutting funding for design | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
technology is outrageous. This subject is wide my career and add me | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
setting up a company which has generated millions for the UK | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
economy. Another person says why do schools with this more numbers of | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
children taking their subjects Alba may to with another -- why don't | :57:44. | :57:50. | |
schools with small number will of pupils amalgamate with another will | :57:51. | :57:57. | |
stop Sonia says tech levels are needed, yet deeply and art and | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
design are being cut. And another e-mail says I work in a small rural | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
primary school, always rated as good by Ofsted. Funding has been | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
dwindling to such an extent that we have had to make all but one | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
teaching assistant redundant and may lose a teacher as well. The | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
government seems hell-bent on pushing through its own education | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
agenda when many schools are struggling to make ends meet. I have | :58:27. | :58:29. | |
seriously considered quitting because the stress has had an impact | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
on my family life and health. Now let's join Nick Miller for | :58:33. | :58:40. | |
whether at date. How are things? Do you remember the sunshine yesterday? | :58:41. | :58:42. | |
It was glorious. Is that it? Look at that. You can just about see | :58:43. | :58:57. | |
some of Portsmouth through that. The sun will come back eventually but | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
for now it is a very different story. It is misty and murky for | :59:03. | :59:08. | |
many of us got a lot of the murky and damp stuff is across the west of | :59:09. | :59:15. | |
the UK. The further east you other have been some glimmers sunshine. We | :59:16. | :59:21. | |
had a lovely sunrise in Hull, City of Culture and city of cracking | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
sunrises. Not a huge amount of rain around but it is ample and drizzly | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
across parts of Wales, western England and Northern Ireland. An | :59:33. | :59:37. | |
area of rainfall moving north across Scotland. It is possible you may | :59:38. | :59:40. | |
counter some of that patchy rain at times. Let's take a look at things | :59:41. | :59:47. | |
in more detail this afternoon. You will notice the temperatures in | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
double figures. Yesterday, in the best of the sunshine, 17.5 Celsius. | :59:52. | :59:56. | |
We are not getting back today. I think there will be some towards the | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
north-east of Wales, into Cheshire, North Cornwall, Devon and Somerset | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
and maybe along the North Coast of Northern Ireland a few brighter | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
burst into north-east Scotland. But in the Northern Isles there are | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
outbreaks of rain. The winds an night as they will be tonight. | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
Plenty of cloud tonight as well. Temperature is not going down too | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
far. If you're going to the Six Nations Rugby in Cardiff you do not | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
need too many layers of top again, the possibility of seeing some | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
drizzle around times. You will get an area of rain moving through | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
Northern Ireland and in Scotland. England and Wales mainly drive. A | :00:36. | :00:43. | |
mild start to the weekend. But it is mainly cloudy start to the weekend. | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
Things would improve though. They will improve for Scotland and | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
Northern Ireland. It edges into northern England, North and West | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
Wales and maybe the far south-west of England. Notice Scotland and | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
Northern Ireland brightens up. Parts of East Anglia and south-east | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
England also sees in sunny spells. As Ashley and south-east England | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
with any sunshine, it is not out of the question you could get 18 | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
Celsius. Spring is very much in evidence. Sunday is a messy picture. | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
There are spells of wet weather moving through. It will turn a | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
little bit cooler from the West late in the weekend. Whatever you're | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
doing, have great weekend. sp A decision on hiking taxes | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
for the self-employed won't be voted Her party is calling | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
it a partial U-turn. Do you take your babies | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
in their pushchair during Well, experts are urging | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
parents to cover prams to protect babies from exhaust | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
fumes and high levels I do think about it quite a lot. | :01:57. | :02:07. | |
There is not much we can do. We live in the centre of London so there is | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
pollution everywhere. And are we living in | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
a golden age of satire? There's been more and more interest | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
in seeing the funny side of politics We'll talk to writers and performers | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
who say politics in 2017 is providing more material | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
than they ever thought possible. What is that picture doing in here? | :02:23. | :02:34. | |
That's just a plate of mashed potatoes. We're lucky that Trump is | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
going to provide the jokes for the foreseeable future! | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
BT has bowed to pressure from telecoms regulator Ofcom | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
to legally separate Openreach which runs the UK's | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
The regulator was pushing for the move following complaints about a | :02:54. | :03:05. | |
poor level of performance. The decisions it takes in terms of | :03:06. | :03:16. | |
investment have to work for the interests of the whole country. And | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
we would expect to see from this, both better service, but also better | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
broadband. Labour has accused the Government | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
to national insurance, announced in the budget, | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
to concerns before MPs voted European leaders are | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
continuing the second day of their summit in Brussels today, | :03:42. | :03:49. | |
but without Theresa May The meeting was the Prime Minister's | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
last summit ahead of the formal Mrs May was keen to downplay | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
the situation, insisting that Britain will continue to play | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
a leading role in Europe and offering suggestions | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
on other topics including Schools in England are being forced | :04:05. | :04:05. | |
to cut GCSE and A-Level courses in an effort to balance the books, | :04:06. | :04:15. | |
according to a head teachers' union. The Association of School | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
and College Leaders has warned budget pressures are driving up | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
class sizes and causing them to cancel activities such as social | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
clubs and school trips. Carole Herman is a head teacher | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
at a school in Essex. She told this programme the issue | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
is extremely complicated. For many students that is their | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
ticket into further education, We are also known here | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
for our excellence in sport Now, we won't cut those | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
because it is absolutely central to the nature of the school, | :04:44. | :04:51. | |
but we're having to look very carefully at other subjects such | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
as design technology. This is exacerbated, actually, | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
by the fact that teachers actually don't want to train in these | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
subjects any more because the emphasis is far more | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
on the EBacc subjects. Protests are taking place in Seoul | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
after South Korea's highest court upheld a decision to remove | :05:06. | :05:15. | |
the country's president from office. Park Geun-hye was impeached over | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
a corruption scandal, She will now lose her immunity | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
against prosecution The decision was met | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
by cheering in the streets from opponents of Ms Park, | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
but her supporters Police say two people have died | :05:31. | :05:31. | |
during protests outside the court. Makers of the hit fantasy TV show | :05:32. | :05:39. | |
Game of Thrones have announced the show will return for its seventh | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
season in July. Fans watched an online video | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
for more than an hour to see a huge block of ice being melted to reveal | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
the air date which will be It's the latest the award-winning | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
series has ever aired as filming was delayed due to a lack | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
of wintry conditions. That's a summary of | :05:55. | :06:02. | |
the latest BBC News. Nigel says "We pushed hard for our | :06:03. | :06:17. | |
son's school to keep design technology. He went on to motorsport | :06:18. | :06:25. | |
engineering and is employed as lead quality engineer at Aston Martin. He | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
would not have achieved his goal without doing design technology. | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
More engineers are needed." This viewer says, "We are a design couple | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
and are saddened that creativity is being stifled by Government cuts. We | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
flourished when traditional core subjects were not our strength. This | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
door to creativity opened up incredible opportunities and enabled | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
us to travel the world with our careers." Thank you for those. Keep | :06:55. | :06:55. | |
your comments coming in. Do get in touch with us | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
throughout the morning - use #Victorialive and if you text, | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
you will be charged A leaked report into British Cycling | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
has levelled serious criticisms at the door | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
of the sport's governing body which has admitted failings in its | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
World Class Performance Programme. The draft version of the report | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
by UK Sport appears to reveal these key findings - that there | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
is a "culture of fear" among staff at British cycling, | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
some of whom are "frightened Former Performance Director | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
Sir Dave Brailsford was "untouchable" and took decisions | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
about the multi-million pound budget himself and former | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
Technical Director Shane Sutton was said to be unsuitable | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
for a leadership role. The review alleges that | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
British Cycling's own report into Jess Varnish's claims of sexism | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
against Shane Sutton where this story began | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
was "sanitised" after the grievance officer found Varnish's | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
allegations were largely true but British Cycling chose to leave | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
out his findings in their report. The review concludes those actions | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
were "shocking and inexcusable". British Cycling have responded | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
with a statement accepting that "leadership focused on medal | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
delivery without sufficient care and attention to the staff | :08:10. | :08:16. | |
and athlete culture." While they disagree with the factual | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
accuracy of certain points, The body's board admits that there | :08:21. | :08:28. | |
was not "adequate oversight" Leading to a failure to "address | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
the early warning signs". Jose Mourinho said it was | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
"impossible to play any better" after his Manchester United side | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
drew 1-1 at FC Rostov Mourinho wasn't impressed | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
with the rough pitch. But Henrikh Mkhitaryan scored | :08:39. | :08:50. | |
an away goal AND although Mourinho said that football life | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
was "full of experiences" England goalkeeper Joe Hart | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
doesn't think he'll play He was dropped by Pep Guardiola | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
when he took over as manager at the start of the season and sent | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
on loan to Torino in Italy. He bears no grudge | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
against City though. I love that club and I always said | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
as long as they wanted me, I would be there, but I was always cautious | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
when I said that because I'm aware that other big clubs, stuff can | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
change quickly and opinions and people in charge, not everyone is | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
going to like you. Not everyone is going to want to play you and that's | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
the business side of it. England one-day captain Eoin Morgan | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
described Alex Hales' innings as "unbelievable", | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
after he set them on their way to a 3-0 series | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
victory over West Indies. Hales was back in the side | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
after recovering from a broken hand and he scored a century in the third | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
and final one-dayer in Barbados. Joe Root also made 100 | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
as England hit a record total The West Indies were bowled out well | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
short of that target, Wales and Ireland launch | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
the penultimate weekend Anything other than a victory | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
for Ireland will end their bid They're second in the table, | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
behind England, who take on Scotland And can claim the championship | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
at Twickenham if Ireland don't win. Commentary on Radio 5 Live from the | :10:03. | :10:18. | |
Principality Stadium. That's it for now. | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
Labour has claimed the Government is in disarray after Theresa May | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
said controversial Budget tax rises would not go before | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
Let's go to Westminster and bring in Iani Watson. Is the Government | :10:31. | :10:41. | |
getting cold feet in the face of a rebellion over this? I think | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
certainly a touch of cold feet, certainly a shiver up the spine of | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
the Government Joanna for the following reasons. There is a logic | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
to increasing the contributions of self-employed people because they're | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
getting benefits they didn't previously get such as the state | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
pension, but the politics, I think, is far more dangerous than the | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
economics because many Conservative MPs say, look, this is not what we | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
said in our manifesto and secondly, we're hitting people that might be | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
likely to vote for the Conservative Party. So effectively, the timing of | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
this measure is crucial by delaying a Parliamentary vote until the | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
autumn, that will be after the publication of a review into working | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
practises which might actually offer self-employed people more rights and | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
benefits. Rights to maternity and pa personity leave. So the Government | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
could argue, look you're getting more value for money out of this | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
national insurance increase. We get a second Budget. If the rebellion | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
hasn't been quelled, then the Chancellor would have some | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
flexibility to perhaps even potentially delay the | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
implementation. I was speaking earlier to the Conservative MP Neil | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
Carmichael, he chairs the Education Committee. He says there is lots of | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
concern in his constituency about the changes. So I was asking him if | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
it would be enough to offer self-employed people more rights or | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
whether the Chancellor would have to go further and think again about how | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
the whole reform is implemented? If we're expecting people to be sort of | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
active in the economic system as entrepreneurs taking risks we've got | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
to demonstrate that we are aware of that and willing to mitigate some of | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
those risks. So that's an important point. The wider question about | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
taxation, of course, is we have got to increase tax take in order to pay | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
for the things that we might want to pay for. Education clearly being one | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
of them and also the risks that we might confront on leaving the | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
European Union. So it's important that we have a tax system which | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
works fairly and efficiently in terms of getting the money in. Is it | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
a package that says look, self-employed people could get value | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
for money? They will get more of the rights that employed people would | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
get that would satisfy people like you and your constituents or would | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
you and some colleagues be holding out for a re-think on the | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
implementation of the time scale on the tax rise itself? I think a | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
re-think on the implementation is probably the most likely outcome. | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
Because at the end of the day, you know, we are going to have to get | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
some tax. So, I think, we've got to recognise that and be bold enough to | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
stick with the overall direction of travel, but make sure it's more | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
comfortable for those that are basically travelling. | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
Here is the real problem for the Chancellor - if you're making that | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
direction of travel more comfortable, you're going to raise | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
less money for the Treasury. So it could be possible that Philip | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
Hammond goes through all this political pain and doesn't make the | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
Government significantly better off at the end of it. OK, thank you very | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
much. Let's bring in Rachel Reeves, the Government says it is right to | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
equalise the way people are treated in terms of taxation, how do you see | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
it? Well, I'm all for cracking down on bogus self employment and | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
avoiding people incorporating to avoid paying those national | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
insurance contributions, but we do need to better help and support | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
people who are self-employed, who are entrepreneurs setting up on | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
their own in part because they are taking more risk and they don't get | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
access to the same sickness benefits and the same maternity and paternity | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
rights and Universal Credit. So I think that it is wrong to just | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
increase the tax take on self-employed without giving them | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
any additional support to make a success of their business and the | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
reality is, the Government are cutting taxes for the biggest | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
businesses, ?3.8 billion cut in corporation tax and yet asking the | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
self-employed to pay an additional ?2 billion in taxes. I don't think | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
those are right priorities. I think we should be asking more of those | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
with the broadest shoulders and helping small businesses and the | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
self-employed to make a better contribution to our economy. Would | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
you be appeased if there were more benefits for the self-employed over | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
rights from the state? I moon the Government is saying there is almost | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
equal treatment at the moment. There will be a review into modern | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
employment practises. Would that make you change your mind? It | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
doesn't sound like anything would? It is true with the flat rate | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
pension that over time people who are self-employed will start to | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
benefit from a pension they didn't previously get, but when you look at | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
other benefits like maternity and paternity leave and maternity and | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
paternity pay, like for example, sickness and disability benefits, | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
out of work benefits, you don't have the same sort of access if you are | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
self-employed. So, if the Chancellor wants to go further, and look at | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
those whole range of benefits I think that would be something that | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
we could support and we could get behind, but at moment we don't have | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
anything like those guarantees. All we know is the self-employed are | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
going to have to pay higher national insurance without getting those | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
benefits that many of the rest of us take for granted. We also need to do | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
more to help the self-employed access pensions and mortgages. In | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
the private sectorment if you are self-employed... That's a different | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
issue, isn't it? Just focussing on the tax take from the self-employed | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
here. The Government is pointing out that if it were not to be getting | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
this extra cash from the self-employed with the national | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
insurance increase, there wouldn't be the money that was announced in | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
the Budget for social care, an extra ?2 billion going into social care? | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
Well, as I said the government is cutting corporation tax. They are | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
cutting inheritance tax for the richest estates and that is costing | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
taxpayers ?1 billion. The government are cutting taxes for the better | :16:51. | :16:58. | |
off. I want more money going into the National Health Service and the | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
care system. I do think it is right to be cutting services for the best | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
of while asking the self-employed to pay more. There is an important | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
point. Self-employed people are taking additional risks which were | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
not taking if you are directly employed and you miss out on things | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
both in terms of State benefits through the national insurance | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
system but also, you do find it harder to access things like | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
pensions in the private sector as well. There is something different | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
about being self-employed and the government needs to recognise that. | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
That is why traditionally the southern point have paid less. I | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
recognise with the growth in self employment that needs to be looked | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
at again, but so do the rights that come from paying into national | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
insurance and those are some of the things we have just spoken about. | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
Thank you. Still to come: more and more people | :17:50. | :17:59. | |
are seeing the funny side of being in power and politics in general. We | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
will find out why we are in a golden age of satire. | :18:04. | :18:11. | |
First, an independent watchdog has warned that Britain's aid programme | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
in Libya could be harming migrants. A report said Britain's support lead | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
to more migrants being detained and denied a right to asylum. We can | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
speak to the Oxfam policy adviser. We also joined by the Conservative | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
MP Jeremy Lefroy who was a member of the International development | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
committee. And here in the studio I enjoyed by Doctor John Campbell from | :18:39. | :18:46. | |
the School of Oriental and African. Josephine, spell out why the British | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
aid could actually be making things worse for migrants? Oxfam works with | :18:49. | :18:56. | |
people who had to leave their home due to conflict, violence, poverty | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
and disaster and all around the world. In the companies in which we | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
work, we see first-hand the transformative effect that foreign | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
aid can have when it is targeting people when it addresses the issues | :19:11. | :19:20. | |
of poverty and suffering. We can see how it saves lives. What this report | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
looks at is areas where foreign aid is used to prevent people migrating | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
to Europe or foreign aid used as a bargaining chip to have agreements | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
with third countries to prevent mobility and migration to Europe. | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
This is where the report finds that this must never be the sole | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
objective of foreign aid and assistance and that is something | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
which Oxfam wholeheartedly second is because not only is it ineffective, | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
it also puts people's lives at risk and that was made in the case of | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
Libya and it also risks undermining development in fact by restricting | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
mobility. In Libya we are seeing a situation where the UK and other | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
European governments are trying to prevent people from leaving Libya to | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
seek safety in Europe, and also looking at ways in which they would | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
return people back to Libya. These are really concerning developments | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
and we know from our operations, Oxfam's operations in Italy, where | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
we work with people who have left Libya and made the horrendous | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
journey across the Mediterranean, who tell us about the human rights | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
by nations they have witnessed, the beatings, the kidnappings and forced | :20:38. | :20:45. | |
Labour, so that Libya is Rulli situation they themselves describe | :20:46. | :20:47. | |
as hell. It is really worrying to see trends in which the UK and other | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
European governments are trying to pave the way in which vulnerable | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
people would not be able to leave situations of human rights | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
violations be returned there. Jeremy Lefroy, you are on the international | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
development committee, are you concerned that aid might be doing | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
more harm than good? I don't think the UK is doing more harm than good | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
at all. The report points out that there are cases where because of | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
support slave for the Libyan coast guard, people have been returned to | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
the coast of Libya and maybe in camps or places where there are real | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
problems with human rights violations. Clearly, we need to look | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
at that. However, the report also looks at the work of the United | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
Kingdom in Ethiopia, and in Nigeria, and in both those cases, the work of | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
the UK in those countries is really helping the governments to work with | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
refugees. Ethiopia has an open door policy for refugees which is a | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
magnificent response by that government to the problems | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
particularly in Eritrea and South Sudan. The UK Government is working | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
with the Ethiopian government to see that refugees in Ethiopia can have | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
access to work, up to 30,000 job places. That is something I think we | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
should absolutely be doing. That has been singled out for praise in this | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
report but you said about potentially looking at what happens | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
to migrants when they are returned to Libya, having tried to head off | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
on that journey, it is UK money that is obviously helping the Coast Guard | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
in Libya to intercept these people and take them back, how would you | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
suggest it be looked at and what might change? Clearly, where there | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
are things to be improved, they need to be improved, but I do think | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
anyone would suggest working with the Libyan coast guard in order to | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
save people's lives, when so many people have drowned on a perilous | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
crossing could be a bad thing. It is surely a good thing. What we then | :22:49. | :22:58. | |
have to look at is what happens to people when they are returned. The | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
work of Oxfam and other NGOs are vital and we must listen to them | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
with great respect. To point them out with this particular report and | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
suggest the UK aid is doing real harm is a complete misinterpretation | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
of the report. There are areas we have to look at and there are | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
people, let's not forget it is the people who are actually breaching | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
people's human rights are doing the harm. It is not the UK Government or | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
anybody associated with it. We really need to look at those things | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
in detail while recognising that the work the UK Government, often on its | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
own. I have been to northern Nigeria where the UK Government is working | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
in very, very difficult situations. There is almost no deal is working | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
there apart from the UK Government. I hear the broader picture of what | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
you're saying about the good work that is being done with UK aid. John | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
Campbell, the strategy, obviously, in terms of people travelling from | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
Libya to Europe, making that dangerous journey across the | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
Mediterranean is aimed at stopping that happening, because more than | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
4500 people were killed on Matt Crossen last year, and Jeremy Lefroy | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
making the point that if investing in the Coast Guard and stopping | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
people making that journey is having an effect, it is absolutely the | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
right thing? Does the right thing but what the UK and Europe are | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
interested in, is preventing migrants reaching Europe. The | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
broader issue should be about the security of those migrants. The key | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
issue is being overlooked. What are the factors driving people leaving | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
Africa to come to Europe. That is where we need to focus. This has not | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
identified any relevant thinking of policies which deal with that. I'm | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
afraid I totally disagree with that. The UK is working with the economic | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
divide and in Nigeria and in Ethiopia, and that is the thing to | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
enable both Ethiopians and Nigerians, and refugees seeking | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
refuge in their countries, to see a better future for themselves in | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
their own countries and regions. That is surely very strategic | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
thinking? John Campbell? The government promised last year they | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
would put money into the strategy identified by your speaker. The | :25:17. | :25:22. | |
issue is this already fits into Ethiopia in developing strategies. | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
Ethiopia polices its borders relatively efficiently. The | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
investment into Ethiopian industry is primarily there, as seen by the | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
British government as something which will prevent Eritreans leaving | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
the region. Eritreans are not leaving searching for work. There | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
are broader agendas and there are commitments made to migration which | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
can be addressed by investment next year or the next two years in jobs | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
in Ethiopia. Thank you to all of you. | :25:51. | :25:51. | |
A Government spokesperson said, "Cross-government efforts | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
are tackling the root causes of migration by building opportunity | :25:54. | :25:55. | |
and stability for people in their home regions so they don't | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
need to make the perilous journey across the Mediterranean. | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
ICAI rightly praises our innovative work in Ethiopia where we have | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
We're also getting help to vulnerable migrants who have already | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
Since May 2015, British vessels have saved more than 13,000 lives | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
Lots of you getting touch today about the cuts being made to some | :26:14. | :26:22. | |
We had a particularly strong response to the news that | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
lots of schools stopping design and technology. | :26:27. | :26:28. | |
Lots of you took it at school and have made a career out of it. | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
One viewer who contacted us was Syreeta Challinger from Lincoln. | :26:34. | :26:44. | |
She did design and technology and art A-levels and is now a fashion | :26:45. | :26:54. | |
designer. She joins us now. You obviously feel very strongly about | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
this. Absolutely, I would not be employed at all if I had not taken | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
those subjects. What to think about the idea that it may go off the | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
curriculum if it is not viable? I'm shocked and in disbelief actually. | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
British design is revered around the world. If we cut it at such an early | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
age, at school age, what does that mean for future generations? Do you | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
think you would have ultimately found your way without design and | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
technology? These are relatively new subjects in British education. I | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
would have struggled. And I know that my partner who also struggled | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
with dyslexia at school, if he had not had art, design and technology | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
as well, we would not be as employable as we are now. We would | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
not have the skill set we have now. It has moulded us greatly. What was | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
it you got from studying it, the skills you talk about? If you are | :27:56. | :28:04. | |
not good at maths or remembering subjects, if you are a bit more | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
logical and hands-on, it definitely benefits you at a school age. It | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
shows you that there are other opportunities, rather than having | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
your nose in a book or having to correct spelling or anything in that | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
manner. There are other opportunities. We have talked on the | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
programme about the growth in manufacturing in this country, in | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
the fashion industry, we were talking just before London Fashion | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
Week about how the fashion industry is benefiting the country, tell us | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
more about your career and your input there? So, I was fortunate | :28:42. | :28:49. | |
that I studied, I went on to university to study textile design | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
and that has opened up doors within the industry pretty much | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
straightaway. Having worked for UK-based companies, and then even | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
opening an opportunity to work globally. However, most recently, I | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
have been working predominantly with the British high street and everyone | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
in that industry would have studied art and design or technology at | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
school. Therefore, I think it is quite short-sighted for the | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
government to not invest in those areas, because it is a huge | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
industry. Thank you. It is great to know you were watching at home and | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
you are obviously moved by what he we were talking about and got in | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
touch. It is great to have you on the programme. Thank you. | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
More and more people are seeing the funny side of people in power | :29:39. | :29:45. | |
We'll find out why some think we're in the golden age of Satire. | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
And should you put a cover on your pram or pushchair when you are doing | :29:55. | :30:03. | |
the school run? We will hear more about pollution. | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the news. | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
BT has bowed to pressure from telecoms regulator Ofcom | :30:13. | :30:19. | |
to legally separate Openreach which runs much of the UK's | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
The regulator had been pushing for the move following complaints | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
about poor levels of service and had threatened to force BT | :30:26. | :30:27. | |
Openreach will have to work to the interests of all consumers, better | :30:28. | :30:38. | |
broadband, but secondly, the decisions it takes as a company in | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
terms of investment again have got to work for the interests of the | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
whole country and we would expect to see from this both better service, | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
but also better broadband. Labour has accused the Government | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
of being in "disarray" after the Prime Minister said | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
controversial tax rises for self-employed workers would not | :30:57. | :30:58. | |
be put into legislation Theresa May said the changes | :30:59. | :31:00. | |
to national insurance, announced in the Budget, | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
were necessary and fair but said the Chancellor would listen | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
to concerns before MPs voted MPs are being warned the Palace | :31:07. | :31:08. | |
of Westminster is close to a "catastrophic failure" | :31:09. | :31:17. | |
unless they make a decision The Public Accounts Committee, | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
which overlooks government spending, says the longer MPs mull over | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
the options, the greater the chance The committee is encouraging | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
parliament to support the cheapest option to repair the deterioration, | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
which will cost around ?3.5 billion and mean MPs and peers would leave | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
the building for six years. Join me for BBC | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
Newsroom Live at 11am. British Cycling have admitted | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
to failings in their World Class Performance Programme after a draft | :31:49. | :31:58. | |
version of the independent report into the sport's governing body | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
was leaked overnight. It claims there is a "culture | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
of fear" among staff at British cycling and that an internal | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
British Cycling report following Jess Varnish's claims | :32:06. | :32:07. | |
of sexism against former technical director Shane Sutton | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
was "sanitised". Manchester United can claim they got | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
a good result on a bad pitch. Henrikh Mkhitaryan scored | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
the away goal in a 1-1 draw at Rostov in the first leg | :32:18. | :32:19. | |
of their Europa League last 16 tie. England's cricketers cruise to | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
a series whitewash in the Caribbean. They won the third one day | :32:24. | :32:29. | |
international against the West Indies comfortably thanks | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
to centuries from Adam Wales and Ireland launch | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
the penultimate weekend Anything other than a victory | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
for Ireland will end their bid for a third title in four years | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
and is likely to mean England can claim the championship | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
by beating Scotland. That's all the sport for now. | :32:47. | :32:58. | |
Lovely, see you later. Thank you very much. | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
The host of one of the biggest talk shows in America said yesterday | :33:04. | :33:10. | |
"When I see Donald Trump, I see a stand-up comedian" | :33:11. | :33:12. | |
and it would seem he's not the only one seeing the funny side of him | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
Because there's growing interest in taking the mick out of people | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
in power and some think we're in the golden age of Satire. | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
James Ballardie's been looking into this one for us. | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
You might not think so every time you turn on the news, | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
but some people think we're currently living through one | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
of the funniest periods of human history. | :33:36. | :33:37. | |
It's boomtime for satire, the art of poking fun at public figures. | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
Satirists have never been more popular. | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
In the UK, sales of satirical magazine Private Eye are a record | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
all-time high of 25% on just five years ago. | :33:45. | :33:52. | |
Private Eye has been taunting politicians | :33:53. | :33:55. | |
Its editor Ian Hislop is often described as the most | :33:56. | :34:02. | |
It measures basic intelligence, which he would lose. | :34:03. | :34:10. | |
Meanwhile, in the USA, there are no less than 24 nightly | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
talk shows to guide satire fans through the day's top stories. | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
And long-running comedy sketch show Saturday Night Live | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
is experiencing its highest audience ratings in 24 years, up 26% on 2016, | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
in part thanks to Hollywood actor Alec Baldwin's impression | :34:31. | :34:32. | |
No, that's just a plate of mashed potatoes, sir. | :34:33. | :34:42. | |
It even caught the attention of the president himself. | :34:43. | :34:44. | |
Not everyone is a fan of satire, but it's everywhere. | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
Satirists are lapping up shares and retweets. | :34:50. | :35:00. | |
Last month, this skit starring comedian Melissa McCarthy as White | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
House Press Secretary Sean Spicer became an internet sensation, | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
racking up over 24 million YouTube hits. | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
And it's not just professional satirists | :35:12. | :35:12. | |
You might recognise some of these pictures from your Facebook | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
They're called memes, the tool of choice for budding | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
But why do we relish ridiculing people in power? | :35:24. | :35:35. | |
Can satire really change opinions, or does it just reinforce | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
And by lampooning those we disagree with, do we risk | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
I've come to Private Eye's HQ in London to find out why politics | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
Why is Private Eye selling so many copies right now? | :35:50. | :36:00. | |
I think, if I'm honest, it's because of Brexit and Trump. | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
People have become more interested in politics and also | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
quite gloomy about it, and Private Eye offers some | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
jokes, some light relief, and hopefully some insight, | :36:13. | :36:14. | |
though I'm less confident about that. | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
As a satirist you have a responsibility in some way, | :36:18. | :36:19. | |
do you ever worry people might start taking you literally? | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
Well, I mean that obviously has been a problem. | :36:25. | :36:26. | |
Private Eye was listed as fake news by some American academic who just | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
didn't get any of the jokes and decided that when we said | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
the Queen had signed a petition to stop Trump coming over, | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
So that is a slight problem in doing satire, but responsibility? | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
Yes, I mean, you should be able to justify what you write. | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
What is the difference between Private Eye and fake news? | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
Obviously the journalism in Private Eye is true | :36:51. | :36:52. | |
Fake news is when you deliberately make up stories in order | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
It's a group of teenagers in a shed in Macedonia | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
or the middle of Russia, when you are deliberately making up | :37:04. | :37:05. | |
news in order to make people believe things which aren't true. | :37:06. | :37:12. | |
When a character like Trump comes along, do you think, "Oh, goody, | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
I've got lots and lots of jokes that I can tell," or are you terrified? | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
You know, my first reaction is as a responsible citizen | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
and human being, so I'm appalled and I'm terrified. | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
And my second response is how very lucky we are that Trump | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
is going to provide most of the jokes for the | :37:32. | :37:33. | |
You can feel the acerbic wit just radiating from these covers. | :37:34. | :37:53. | |
Talk me through which is your favourite? | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
We talked about American presidents, I love that, "Bush, | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
But, again, the great thing about doing it for a long time | :38:02. | :38:13. | |
is you realise that there isn't that much that's new, | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
and the approach tends to need to be the same. | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
Satire's pretty consistent, I think, not only over the decades but pretty | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
I mean, what happens is it goes in and out of fashion, | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
sometimes everyone says, "Oh, satire, marvellous, | :38:26. | :38:26. | |
And then during the down periods they say, "Oh, | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
really, it's so pathetic, we don't want this stuff, | :38:31. | :38:32. | |
Do you think that by going after all these people, so many years, | :38:33. | :38:41. | |
that you may have contributed in some way to the climate | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
No, what I hope we've done is make people view it realistically. | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
I think people do tend to say that, they say, "Well, it's your fault | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
for pointing out when people have done something wrong because then | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
we think they are up to something wrong." | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
And I say, no, our job is to make people honest, | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
to make people think if they do that then they will be found out. | :39:02. | :39:14. | |
Satire helps us make sense of the world. | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
It empowers us and reminds us that humour can be found in even the most | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
It was on January 7th 2015 that terrorist attacks on French | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo brought home the power | :39:29. | :39:30. | |
12 people were killed and 11 injured when masked gunmen | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
In an outcry of public grief, 3.7 million people joined | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
One week after the attack, surviving Charlie Hebdo staff | :39:45. | :39:53. | |
released a commemorative edition packed full of incendiary jokes and | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
Shappi Khorsandi is someone who knows this all too well. | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
Her father was a satirist in Iran, until he and the rest of the family | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
were forced to flee in 1976 after he published a poem ridiculing | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
In countries in the Middle East, Iran, after the revolution they went | :40:10. | :40:19. | |
gunning for the satirists, they were the first on the hit list. | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
And your dad was one of those people, that's | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
Yeah! My dad's the man! | :40:26. | :40:34. | |
So I came to Britain in the early 80s. | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
We were refugees long before it became fashionable. | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
A lot of your stuff is based on real life, isn't it? | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
You're taking things that happen to you day-to-day and you're talking | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
There are certain times when certain things are going on in politics, | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
like they've closed the refugee camp in Calais. | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
Now, I was a refugee child, so how can I not mention that | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
in stand-up when what I do is so personal? | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
For me, I find satire itself is to mock the status quo, | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
mock the powers that be, mocking what we are told | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
to consider is right and normal and the moral high ground. | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
And you're like, "No, no, no, that's not the way I see it. | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
You're actually trying to trick us, you're trying to lead us | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
The Western world is currently experiencing the most | :41:28. | :41:42. | |
significant political upheaval since the Second World War. | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
In times of turmoil, satirists see opportunities. | :41:46. | :41:47. | |
Like Geoff Norcott - he's targeting Remain | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
voters in light of last year's EU referendum. | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
One thing about Remainers, right, is they don't realise | :41:55. | :41:56. | |
some of their arguments were oddly racist themselves. | :41:57. | :41:58. | |
"Well, who's going to come and do all the menial jobs?" | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
Is that how you see the EU, supplying you with | :42:03. | :42:04. | |
Are you aiming to convert people, are you aiming to reinforce | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
I'd like to think I had that sort of power, I could just reach | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
out my hand and we'd all walk away thinking the same thing. | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
But I think in a way it's about sharing ideas and also | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
unpicking some of the tension around Brexit, because obviously I was | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
a Leave voter and the stereotype of a working-class Leave voter | :42:27. | :42:28. | |
is perhaps a bit ignorant, uneducated, possibly racist, | :42:29. | :42:30. | |
we all took one bite on a straight banana and just started setting fire | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
I know those people exist but I don't honestly think | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
that was the broad sweep of the working-class Leave vote, | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
and I think in a way, hopefully, if you hear somebody talk who's | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
reasonably informed on the subject it might make people think, well, | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
maybe other working-class Leave voters felt that way. | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
Voting Conservative is a bit like buying | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
You know for a fact millions of other people must have done it, | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
Trump and Brexit are the gift that keeps on giving. | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
I do think that's exhaustable, though. | :43:06. | :43:06. | |
I do think there'll come a point with the public where, | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
as things probably settle down a little bit, that seems a bold | :43:10. | :43:11. | |
prediction with Trump, it might be we return to something | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
We'll actually be begging for a minister to go with a call | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
girl, or just something that's a bit more the kind of thing | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
So are you just carving yourself a comedy niche, then? | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
Wouldn't it be easier if you just didn't make jokes | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
Yeah, I was definitely carving a niche. | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
Other kinds of humour, left-wing humour, in a way I admire | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
people doing that kind of comedy because it's a far more crowded | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
People on Twitter, Facebook, all the comedy panel shows, | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
most of the humour comes from that angle so it's almost harder, | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
I think, to make an original joke in that respect, | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
which ultimately I'm only centre-right, really, | :43:49. | :43:50. | |
which is like a lot of the country, but I guess in the context | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
These pictures are the latest weapon in satire's battle | :43:54. | :44:05. | |
Since the birth of social media there's been an explosion in memes, | :44:06. | :44:12. | |
cartoons, drawings and photos made by regular people who've got | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
something funny to say about the world we live in. | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
The very best might get reposted by tens of millions of people, | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
but despite their popularity many meme makers remain | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
I persuaded one of them to speak to me. | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
His name's Jim'll Paint It, and he's agreed to be interviewed | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
on the condition that we don't show his face. | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
My name's Jim, I run Jim'll Paint It, which is an online | :44:36. | :44:45. | |
thing, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, that sort of stuff. | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
People send me their requests and I do my best to sort | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
You've asked to be represented by one of your very, | :44:52. | :44:59. | |
Why do you think that people who make memes, | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
people who make satirical stuff on the internet, are less keen | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
I think maybe it makes them less afraid to say | :45:06. | :45:12. | |
what they want to say, maybe, without repercussions. | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
Obviously that can have a negative effect us because it means you just | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
get trolls and all kinds of unsavoury characters that can | :45:20. | :45:21. | |
Memes, as you say, or things that are on the internet, | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
they are a form of propaganda, in a way, but instead of coming | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
from the Government it's sort of self-perpetuating propaganda, | :45:32. | :45:33. | |
it's made by people and it's spread by people, and I think that's | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
where the strength of memes is, is that it's not something | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
that is sort of broadcast to you, it's something that you pass on. | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
They spread so much quicker than any other form of satire could. | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
There's a lot of turmoil politically, does that mean | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
the submissions that you're getting are different? | :45:53. | :46:02. | |
Something started as a stupid little joke. All of my stuffs the stuff is | :46:03. | :46:14. | |
user generated. Someone put in a request. . | :46:15. | :46:31. | |
Jim'll Paint It started just as a stupid little joke, I just | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
All of my stuff is user-generated, so whatever people are talking | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
about they send to me, and it influences their ideas, | :46:39. | :46:40. | |
There was absolutely no politics for the first | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
maybe one or two years, it was just celebrities | :46:44. | :46:45. | |
I think it's massively changed, and I think people do talk | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
about politics more than they do celebrity gossip and pop culture. | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
That's become water cooler entertainment. | :46:53. | :46:53. | |
Do you think drawing your pictures helps you deal with these things? | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
Yeah, it's therapeutic, total therapy. | :46:57. | :46:57. | |
The one I got the most likes for was drawing a picture | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
of Donald Trump on the toilet on his first day in office, | :47:01. | :47:03. | |
and it was just my way of basically just trying to get through that day | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
Things are ridiculous, things are easily mockable, | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
probably more so than they've ever been, but that is people's | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
way of dealing with it, they just want to sort of channel it | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
into something that they can laugh at. | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
Sometimes we could all do with a little more | :47:18. | :47:19. | |
When news headlines go bonkers, perhaps laughter might be | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
So long as there are people in charge, so long as there | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
are haves and have nots, there will always be jokes to tell | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
Satire is as old as time itself, and in 2017 it's | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
Keeping an eye on the people in charge can only be | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
A world without satire would be no laughing matter. | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
If you want to see that again, it is on the programme page. | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
Parents are being urged to cover prams and pushchairs | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
during the school run to protect their babies | :47:50. | :47:51. | |
That's according to researchers at the University of Surrey who say | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
that particles from exhaust fumes are particularly high at bus | :47:55. | :47:56. | |
It is an issue that mums on the school run this morning said they | :47:57. | :48:06. | |
are very aware of. I did think about it a lot but there is not much we do | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
as we live in central London so there is pollution everywhere. They | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
have but had any chest problems. I thought if they did have problems we | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
might have to move because we live on Euston Road. There is a lot of | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
pollution and I think it is because of the construction, the cars and | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
everything going on. Have you ever thought about putting the roof up | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
because of pollution? Sometimes I put the raincoat on the pushchair | :48:35. | :48:42. | |
just for her to avoid getting the, how would you say, the fumes of the | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
cars, so yes. Say mums on the school run. | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
The research was lead by Dr Prashant Kumar, | :48:52. | :48:53. | |
who happens to be in the Indian capital, Delhi, and he told me | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
We were trying to assess a typical route when parents | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
are carrying their babies, they pass through a different part | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
of the road so it might include the traffic intersections, | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
a road section where you have the traffic flow | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
which is continuous as well as the bus lanes. | :49:14. | :49:20. | |
So what we found is first of all that during the morning hours | :49:21. | :49:28. | |
you get higher exposure to the fine and very fine particles | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
And interestingly, in the afternoon you get higher exposure | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
to the bigger particles as compared to the morning hours. | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
This was quite interesting because it seems to be the fact | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
of the dew during the night when the suspension | :49:46. | :49:47. | |
of these particles is less during the morning, | :49:48. | :49:58. | |
and in the afternoon hours you might see the influence and that | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
could have increased representations. | :50:02. | :50:02. | |
So how dangerous is that environment for a baby? | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
How much risk does it pose to a baby? | :50:07. | :50:17. | |
So I always say that our body is a good doctor, so it can deal | :50:18. | :50:32. | |
with a certain level but for infants, their body | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
is not yet developed, so if they are inhaling a similar | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
sort of concentrations to adults are inhaling, they might have | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
And when we looked into the chemical composure of the particles, | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
there were traces of aluminium and components which look | :50:46. | :50:47. | |
like they're coming from the tyre wheel or the abrasion | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
What could the adverse effects be of all of that? | :50:54. | :51:01. | |
We looked into the toxicology side of these particles | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
which is an important area and I think the results | :51:06. | :51:07. | |
But the studies in the past, they have sold that, | :51:08. | :51:10. | |
if you have the exposure to these particles, they could lead | :51:11. | :51:17. | |
to the cardiovascular as well as respiratory | :51:18. | :51:18. | |
Right now I am sitting in Delhi and this is one of the worst places | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
when it comes to pollution and statistics show that one | :51:24. | :51:26. | |
in three children has got actually some sort of asthmatic problem | :51:27. | :51:28. | |
Why are the toxic particles so concentrated in a pram? | :51:29. | :51:39. | |
Because what happens is normally in the pram, | :51:40. | :51:48. | |
So the prams are at a much lower height and this | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
is pretty close to the height of the tailpipe as well. | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
It is where the emissions are coming and the babies are basically sitting | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
See might expect a higher concentration of those heights | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
compared with the height of an adult person. | :52:07. | :52:17. | |
That was Doctor Prashant Kumar who carried out the research. We can | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
talk to Senia Dedic, a mother in Battersea who is so concerned about | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
the effects of pollution she has set up a campaign group and we have also | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
been joined by Anna Jones from Greenpeace who also is a mother. | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
Senia, tell us why you are concerned and you set up a group? Pollution in | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
Battersea is so high because of this particular tunnel which all of North | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
Battersea has to go through to get to the south Battersea to the | :52:48. | :52:55. | |
shopping area. Prior five primary schools and care homes are involved | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
which have to use the tunnel. And some research was conducted which | :53:02. | :53:04. | |
found that there is a higher pollution in the whole Battersea in | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
that tunnel which everybody using an foot, in addition to 79 is the buses | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
which go through the tunnel and 89 role I, from 18 platforms above the | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
tunnel which are part of Clapham Junction station. I know you have | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
been campaigning to try to address that issue. In terms of practicality | :53:26. | :53:28. | |
is, what are people doing as they go through the tunnel? The advice | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
today's children in prams at school rush hour should be covered over. Is | :53:34. | :53:42. | |
that correct? I'm not surprised at all. Everyone covered their faces | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
with skulls in winter. In summer we are coughing. -- with scarves. | :53:47. | :53:56. | |
People are trying to take the children to Devon, Dartmoor or | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
Dorset in the summer for the summer holidays. I know it is a short while | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
but it really helps, especially with clean air and organic food and | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
children really do notice it when they come back and they have to go | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
through the tunnel at Clapham Junction. Anna Jones, you are from | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
Greenpeace and you are a mum as well, what is your perspective? We | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
have to get to the root cause of this which is primarily diesel | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
vehicles. We now have alternatives available. We need to make the | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
transition away from old polluting vehicles and towards cleaner | :54:31. | :54:32. | |
alternatives if we are going to get to grips with this. Putting a pram | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
cover on might help a little bit today but those children are being | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
exposed every day and children coming after them and we need to get | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
to the root problem and shift the pollution completely away from our | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
streets. Why haven't we talked much about pollution in recent years? I | :54:49. | :54:53. | |
think we have but the scientific studies are coming thick and fast | :54:54. | :55:05. | |
now. More and more people are looking into this, more and more | :55:06. | :55:07. | |
people are becoming aware of what was previously invisible. The more | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
we talk about it the more we realise it is affecting us. The study 's | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
today show what kind of impact it is having, there is more about the | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
diseases that the children might grow up to experience. Things like | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
lung cancer, respiratory and heart diseases. I think finally we are | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
talking about it but what we need is proper action to deal with the | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
problem. You mentioned action on diesel cars, what else would you | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
like to see? We are looking forward to the government's new plan and we | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
hope that will phase out diesel vehicles from our cities. We will | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
put in strong clean air zones to make sure the polluting vehicles are | :55:46. | :55:52. | |
not entering areas which are really bad. I think we should look at | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
measures like they have in Paris where an high pollution days they | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
restrict hammy vehicles are allowed in. -- how many vehicles are allowed | :55:59. | :56:05. | |
in. We have to get to grips with the industry which are continuing to | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
produce vehicles which are producing up to 15 times more pollution than | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
they should be. The BW scandal showed us one company which is | :56:15. | :56:17. | |
cheating the system but what we have learned since then is all vehicle | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
manufacturers are producing vehicles which produce up to 15 times as much | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
produce and -- pollution as they should be. Senia, what would you | :56:29. | :56:35. | |
like to see to address this? I would like to see a electric buses in all | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
of London and possibly solar only car parks where the electric cars | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
and electric buses as well could be charged everywhere in London. We | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
have quite a few shopping zones around here as well and big | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
supermarkets who could have warnings above their car parks with solar | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
powered electric chargers for a electric cars. And it is obviously | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
being discussed, you said there was a strategy forthcoming, do you | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
expect there to be policy change? I think there will have to be. The | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
government has been taken to court twice now and has been told to go | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
and do its homework. We have to keep things to account and we will have | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
to make some tough decisions. This is about a generation of children | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
and those coming after who will be growing up to experience really | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
serious health impacts. That has a big impact on our NHS. The | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
government's on estimate is air pollution is costing us over ?27 | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
billion a year. Thank you both very much. I want to just bring you a | :57:43. | :57:50. | |
couple more comments on school subjects being taken of the syllabus | :57:51. | :57:52. | |
because of Budget cuts. Louisa has e-mailed and said we need to see | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
schools as providing employees of the future. Why deny them the choice | :57:57. | :58:05. | |
where they will switch off. We need all skills, not just academic. | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
Teachers need to be seen as professionals and allowed to do | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
their job without meddling. And, it was also made about payment | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
for after-school clubs, the clubs are used often as a childcare | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
options so they should be paid for by the parents. Thank you for your | :58:23. | :58:26. | |
comments on that and your company today. I will see you soon. Have a | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
lovely weekend. Goodbye. Let's Sing And Dance exploded onto | :58:32. | :58:33. | |
our screens, setting the stage | :58:34. | :58:35. | |
alight...literally. | :58:36. | :58:39. |