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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
Our top story today - after 44 years of membership, | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
Britain will today formally serve notice on Brussels that it's | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
Here is what voters think. I'm happy that we're moving in the right | :00:21. | :00:32. | |
direction. I want to see the Government hold their nerve and not | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
buckle under pressure from the EU. It is a historic mistake and two | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
years is not long enough in negotiations. I hope we get the best | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
deal for Britain. Don't we all? In Downing Street the Prime Minister | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
calls for an end to the disunity and division that scarred the Brexit | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
referendum as Britain begins its departure from the European Union. | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
Also on the programme today, ex-royal Marine Alexander Blackman | :01:00. | :01:09. | |
has spoken of his "profound sense of his "profound sense | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
of relief" after his sentence for shooting dead a wounded Taliban | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
fighter in Afghanistan was reduced - he'll be out in weeks and we'll | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
speak to his wife Claire Blackman Relief initially. I think it took a | :01:17. | :01:24. | |
little while for the news to sink in, but absolutely delighted. The | :01:25. | :01:25. | |
result we were hoping for. And the dangers of co-sleeping | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
with your new baby. When I woke up, I'd discovered that | :01:29. | :01:39. | |
she wasn't breathing. I remember like lifting her up and then just | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
running through to Andy and screaming that she was gone. | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
Health professionals tell us they fear parents are lying | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
about sleeping with their children for fear of being judged. | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
We'll bring you the full story before 10am. | :01:54. | :02:11. | |
Hello and welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am. | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
Throughout the morning really keen to hear your views as Article 50 | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
is triggered and a little later in the programme we'll introduce | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
you to an incredible man - this is 53-year-old Bill Kochevar - | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
he's paralysed - but he's been able to feed himself | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
by using his thoughts to send messages from implants | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
Well bring you his full story before 11am. | :02:34. | :02:41. | |
Do get in touch on everything we're talking about this morning - | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
Our top story today - Theresa May has signed the letter | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
that will formally begin the UK's departure from the European Union. | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
The letter will be delivered by hand to the President | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
of the European Council, Donald Tusk, at 12.30 | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
At the same time, the Prime Minister will make a statement to the Commons | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
in which she'll urge the country to come together as it embarks | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
More than four decades ago the UK first signed up | :03:10. | :03:18. | |
Today, those years of membership will start to come to an end. | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
David Cameron's promise back in 2013 was key in getting to this point. | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
He said Britain would get to choose whether to stay in or leave | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
the European Union, hoping to end years of debate | :03:36. | :03:37. | |
It is time for the British people to have their say. | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
It is time for us to settle this question about Britain and Europe. | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
So last year, politicians of all persuasions took | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
to Britain's streets, making the case for Leave | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
and Remain and then in June, the country decided. | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
The British people have spoken and the answer is we're out. | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
I think the country requires fresh leadership to take | :04:00. | :04:12. | |
The new Prime Minister pledged from the start to honour | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
Brexit means Brexit and we're going to make a success of it. | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
And that process will begin in earnest today with a letter sent | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
from here to Brussels formally saying the UK wants to leave the EU. | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
Then some two years of negotiations will follow for a whole host | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
Everything from the rights of EU citizens living here and elsewhere | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
to Britain's financial commitments to the EU and its future trading | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
relationship and there are decades of EU legislation and regulations | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
The process of leaving is unprecedented. | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
It will be complex and at times, uncertain. | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
There will be challenges and opportunities and with | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
the Prime Minister's signature on this letter, it all begins today. | :05:02. | :05:21. | |
In a moment we'll speak to our Correspondent, Dan Johnson | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
who's at the European Council buildings in Brussels - | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
but first let's head to Downing Street and our political | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
There is a Cabinet meeting going on. Presumably that's when Theresa May | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
is telling her colleagues what's in the letter? This letter has been a | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
closely guarded secret which Mrs May and only her closest circle have | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
been involved in. So for many Cabinet Ministers this is the first | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
time to see what Mrs May has written. A lot of the letter, I | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
think, we can guess. It's going to be a beefing up of what Mrs May has | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
already said about taking back control of immigration, not being | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
part of the single market, those sort of things will be familiar. The | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
really interesting part of the letter will be what it doesn't say. | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
Are those areas where there is May is vague or ambiguous because those | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
are the area where she has got flex and room to give, those are the | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
areas where she is prepared to do a deal. The sort of things we will be | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
looking at today is whether there is any talk about money or financial | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
contributions or will Mrs May be prepared to make some bill, pay a | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
bill for the Budget. People are going in and out. That was Boris | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
Johnson just leaving there. Will she be prepared to make financial | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
contributions to ensure key sectors of the British economy can still | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
trade with the single market? What will she actually say about | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
immigration? Will EU nationals continue to be able to come here for | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
the next couple of years? Might they be given priority in any new | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
immigration rules? Will the European Court of Justice still have some | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
sort of role perhaps as a trade body and I suppose lastly, will there be | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
any room for a transitional time? In other words we won't have to leave | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
in two years, it could be a slightly slower process. So we will be | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
examining that letter in minute detail to get some clues as to the | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
sort of areas where Mrs May might be prepared to strike a deal and a | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
compromise. Thank you, for the moment, Norman, more from Norman | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
throughout the morning here on the programme. | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
Let's go to Brussels. It has to bear a wet signature. So the stroke of | :07:27. | :07:34. | |
Mrs May's pen. Dan Johnson, wubz the letter is received. What is after | :07:35. | :07:42. | |
that? -- once the letter is received, what happens after that? | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
We will get reaction from politicians in Brussels, EU | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
politicians about what is in the letter and what they think about it, | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
but we won't get detail until a few weeks down the line when the other | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
European nations have had a chance to consume what's in the letter to | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
think about what their in thing position is going to be and then to | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
come up with a set of guidelines that they want to be implemented as | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
this negotiation goes forward. Hopefully, that signature has dried | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
on that letter, the UK's ambassador to the EU has come into the council | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
building with a bag, we don't know if the letter is in that, but we | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
suspect it is. He has got a couple of meetings to attend and then he | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
has got a small window when he will physically hand over the letter to | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
Donald Tusk, the Connell president and that's the moment when the clock | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
starts tick that the two years of negotiation begin, unless everyone | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
can agree on an extension. Lots of politician in Brussels think that | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
two years isn't long enough to get the detail worked out and to reach a | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
deal so it's possible they will seek an extension, but everyone would | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
have to agree on that. If they can't agree then in two years time the UK | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
would drop ut of the EU, suddenly the so-called hard Brexit, that's | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
what everyone is trying to avoid. They say they want to negotiate a | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
deal, and they want a smooth divorce, but there is so much | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
complex detail to be worked out. It will be tough and it will take a | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
long time and there is a lot of talking to go on and most of it will | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
go on behind closed doors after the symbolism and the images that will | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
go on around the world, we won't hear a lot of what is going on in | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
the negotiations. In two years time, we will have a deal on the table. | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
Supposedly for politicians to approve or not. And than that will | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
be it, Britain will be out of the EU. So although practically, nothing | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
actually changes today, no one will notice any difference, there is a | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
huge change on the way in two years time and it all starts here today. | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
Cheers, Dan. We will talk to voters in the next half an hour. | :09:38. | :09:49. | |
Let us know your views. How are you feeling today? Once the letter is | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
received from Theresa May in Brussels at 12.30. Let us know. Get | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
in touch in the usual ways. Community leaders and children plan | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
to link hands across Westminster Bridge this afternoon | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
as a memorial to those killed and injured in | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
the attack there a week ago. Khalid Masood ran over | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
and killed three pedestrians, before stabbing a policeman to death | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
outside the Houses of Parliament. Inquests into his victims' deaths | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
will also begin today. The former boss of the language | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
school in Luton where Khalid Masood taught for two years, | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
has told the BBC that he doesn't believe the attack was motivated | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
by religious extremism. The man, who wishes | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
to remain anonymous, has not seen Masood since 2012, | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
but says he wouldn't have believed him to be | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
capable of such violence. An American man, who was paralysed | :10:32. | :10:40. | |
from the shoulders down, has been able to feed himself | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
and hold onto a cup of coffee, after surgeons placed implants | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
in his brain and arm. Bill Kochevar was unable | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
to use any of his limbs, after he hit a lorry | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
while riding his bike. Doctors say it is the first time | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
that implants controlled by the brain have been used to help someone | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
reach and grab objects once again. Health professionals have told this | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
programme they think parents are lying to them about sleeping | :11:10. | :11:11. | |
with their babies for fear In the UK, just under 300 babies die | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
suddenly and unexpectedly in their sleep every year and NHS | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
guidelines say there is an "association" between those | :11:19. | :11:20. | |
sudden deaths and co-sleeping. The language being used by the | :11:21. | :11:34. | |
Health Service is simply gobbledygook. It means the public | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
don't understand what is going on. Conservationists say they've found | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
a new breeding population of a critically endangered | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
species of tiger. Hidden cameras filmed a small | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
population of the Indochinese tiger. A mother and at least six cubs | :11:49. | :11:50. | |
were found in the jungle That's a summary of the latest BBC | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
News - more at 9.30am. You are telling us your views today | :11:54. | :12:18. | |
as Article 50 is triggered. Get in touch using Twitter. | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
Let's get some sport now with John - and the video referee played a key | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
part in the match between France and Spain last night. | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
Following another successful trial in the match between France and | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
Spain. The outcome could have been different were it not for the use of | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
the technology employed by the on-field referee. France thought | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
they had taken the lead when they scored and that goal was given by | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
the on-field referee, but as you can see it was overturned following some | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
assistance by the video referee who sat in a truck outside the ground. | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
The second one was that one, as well, that goal was given for off | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
side, but was then overturned using that technology which meant Spain | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
came away with a 2-0 win. It would have been very different had the | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
technology been used. It goes to show that it is likely it will be | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
used going forward quite considerably. | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
Do you think we will see it in the British game? There is talk of that, | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
yes. The FA said they would be really interested in using the | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
technology, a trial of their own, from the third round of the FA Cup | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
onwards next year and as well, the Fifa president, desperate as well to | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
implement this at the next Cup. You might remember, of course, there was | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
that big incident, wasn't there? We all remember it, the goal from Frank | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
Lampard at the 2010 World Cup, that led to the introduction of goal-line | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
technology. They want to go a step further and we could see the use of | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
this technology and an ouf field referee being able to overturn the | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
decisions on the field of play, and not just goals, but red card | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
incidents. We could see it at the World Cup as well. | :14:09. | :14:18. | |
Cheers, John. A viewer, "Brexit Day. Wonderful. | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
Independence once again. Europe needs us more than we need them. A | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
day of history, today marks the day when the UK serves its divorce maips | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
on the rest of the EU." The Prime Minister has already signed the | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
letter. A day of history, of freedom, | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
of stepping into the unknown - call it what you want - | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
today marks the day when the UK serves its divorce papers | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
on the rest of the EU. The Prime Minister has already | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
signed the letter that will trigger Article 50 and our two year | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
countdown to exiting the EU - and it'll be delivered to the EU | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
in just over three hours' time. We'll reflect a range | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
of your views throughout But first, are we heading | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
towards a conscious uncoupling Brexit, Britain's divorce from | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
the European Union. As seismic for the country | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
as this marriage split, as closely watched as theirs, | :15:08. | :15:09. | |
will it be as smooth Or will it be a bitter | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
break-up instead? There is a lot to sort | :15:14. | :15:21. | |
out, like money. The EU is likely to slap an exit | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
bill on the table for money the UK has already promised to pay to EU | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
coffers, and Brussels' opening bid More specifically, EU citizens | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
living in the UK and UK Are they going to be able | :15:33. | :15:42. | |
to stay where they are Both sides say they want this | :15:43. | :15:55. | |
side of the divorce deal OK, so we are splitting up, | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
but what sort of future relationship How will the UK and | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
the EU do business? A full trade agreement | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
between the two is going to take years to figure out, | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
but if there is a divorce deal that might help | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
smooth over the split. This is also a divorce | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
with a deadline. There are just two years to hammer | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
this out, and the clock It's 279 days since the UK | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
voted to leave the EU - at the time there were lots | :16:20. | :16:32. | |
of promises about what lay Let's speak to our political guru | :16:33. | :16:34. | |
Norman Smith who is in Downing Street for us - | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
where Theresa May has been It has just finished. Fill us in. | :16:40. | :16:49. | |
Thank you very much. It is blast of day, the big day when we begin our | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
departure, but what sort of deal might we get? What is it that Brexit | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
Britain might look like? Well, to get an idea, we have to go back and | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
look at some of the promises that were made to voters in the run-up to | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
the referendum about how Britain might be different and the sort of | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
opportunities and benefits we might gain from leaving the EU. Here is a | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
brief reminder. There it is, five things we could do | :17:16. | :17:30. | |
on day one. We can reform our immigration system so it is fair and | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
balanced, and keeps the numbers down to a sustainable level. Threw if we | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
want to cut VAT to help families who their homes, we should be free to do | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
so. We want our country back. If we leave the European Union, can we | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
give the NHS millions more each week? Yes we can. Can we create more | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
trade deals? Yes we can. Can we have a new fair points-based immigration | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
system? Can we deport dangerous foreign criminals, can we deport the | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
very poorest in our society by making | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
-- give them a tax cut that will transform their lives for the | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
better? Yes we can. # Promises, promises, promises, that | :18:19. | :18:27. | |
is all I get from you. Let's go through those pledges in a bit more | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
detail to nail them down. Legend one was money, the famous pledge to get | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
?350 million every week to put into health service. Pledge number two | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
was the economy, that we would be able to strike our own trade deals | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
with countries beyond the EU to create new job opportunities. Pledge | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
number three, Borders, to take back control of immigration. So it is the | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
British government to decide soon comes in and we end EU freedom of | :18:57. | :19:04. | |
movement. Pledge number four, security, we would be able to kick | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
out violent foreign criminals because they could no longer use EU | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
rules to stay here. Lastly, taxes. We would be able to cut VAT on | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
domestic fuel which at the moment EU stops is doing. But how easy will | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
that be to deliver? I suppose one of the big difficulties facing purposes | :19:26. | :19:33. | |
may, we know that European leaders are cobbling together a Brexit bill | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
for our departures, some suggesting it could even come to ?50 billion to | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
leave the EU. Listen to the president of the European | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
Commission, shall claw Junker, when pressed about that recently. -- | :19:48. | :19:55. | |
Jean-Claude Juncker. There will be no sanctions, no punishment, nothing | :19:56. | :20:03. | |
of that kind. Britain has to now and I suppose the government does know | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
it, they have two on the former commitments. To the June ?50 | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
billion? It is around that, but that is not the main story. We have to | :20:14. | :20:21. | |
calculate scientifically what the British commitments were and then | :20:22. | :20:22. | |
the bill has to be paid. The immigration publication would | :20:23. | :20:44. | |
mean that there would be fewer immigrants coming in but ministers | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
are much more cautious about that because they are worried about what | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
in fact it may have on the National Health Service. Listen to David | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
Davis suggesting that far from going down, immigration might at times go | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
up. Have a listen. I think most people are in favour of migration, | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
so long as it is managed and the point is it will need to be managed. | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
My job is to bring the job back and it is for the Home Secretary to | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
decide on what the policy will be but I can imagine it will not be in | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
anything other than the national interest. For time to time, we will | :21:20. | :21:28. | |
need more, and from time to time we will need less migrants. That is in | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
everybody's interests, for the migrants and for the United Kingdom. | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
Timing could be a problem for Mrs May. We know that she wants us out | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
in two years' time, so by the spring of 2019 we should be out, but a lot | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
of people are worried is it going to be possible to do all this in two | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
years because the EU are not going to sit down and negotiate with us | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
seriously until probably after the summer, the French and German | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
elections, which means it could only be about 12 months to nail down a | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
massive, massive deal. Some people are suggesting actually come you | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
know what, we might happen to have a transitional time to give us a bit | :22:09. | :22:15. | |
more space to engineer our departure from the European Union. Have a | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
listen to Foreign Office diplomat Simon Fraser. It is certain we will | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
not have resolved everything in the period before the expiry of the | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
Article 50 process. As we know, the EU side want to start with | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
negotiating the terms of the separation, and the British side on | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
top of that wants to move rapidly to discuss the future relationship, | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
both political and economic, between Britain and the EU. And that is a | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
very complex second set of negotiations. There is no way in my | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
view that we will complete all of that in years. The truth is we know | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
what we were promised in the referendum that we now into an | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
entirely different ball game, it we are into deal-making and negotiation | :23:02. | :23:09. | |
and compromise, a sort of tough series of talks with EU leaders who | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
have a very different set of pirate is, which inevitably means we will | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
not get what we want probably. Significantly this morning we heard | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
from the Chancellor Philip Hammond, who in a direct contradiction of the | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said this morning, you cannot have your | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
cake and eat it. In other words, we will get some things but we won't | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
get other things. This is what Stuart says. Brexit will be | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
fantastic. Carl in Surbiton says I'm feeling utter despair, sadness and | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
disbelief that the UK is actually going down this road. Those who | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
voted to leave will rue the day that they stupidly decided to vote for | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
it. Those of us who can clearly see the benefits of staying in our being | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
dragged into a messy, divisive, reclusive and selfish process. | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
Stuart in Bedford says I am fed up with the gutless moaners spreading | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
doom and gloom, they need some backbone and British spirit. | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
Let's speak to former cabinet minister, and Conservative | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
MP Iain Duncan Smith, who was a prominent Leave campaigner. | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
I have slightly moved on because we have been knowing that this day has | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
been coming and in a sense it is a formality because the rest is about | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
how that relationship between the EU and the UK settles in the next two | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
years and what are the arrangements we have to make. I must say I did | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
find that Norman's statements today were really quite depressingly | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
negative. The reality is, we always look at it from the UK side, this is | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
what they want, their troubles and problems. The truth is the European | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
Union also has to arrive at a position weather don't want to | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
damage themselves in the course of this. What we are getting, the | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
finance Minister of Germany the other day said let's be absolutely | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
clear, this has to be a proper arrangement, we don't want a | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
stand-off with the UK, we absolutely need to continue levels of trade, | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
and he said importantly that the City of London, the financial | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
services are vital for the European Union for cheap capital. We want to | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
give them like that. So there might be some special arrangements for the | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
City of London for example. A general sense building among the | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
nations of Europe as opposed to some of those characters of the | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
commission saying hang on a second, the UK is arguably the single most | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
important trading partner for us we want to make sure that continues. | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
Yes, they are leaving but it does not mean that we end up having some | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
kind of war between us -- some kind of wall. Pascal Lambie in France | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
said exactly the same in the IMF previously, he said at the end of | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
two years we want zero tariffs and access on financial services and we | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
can sort the rest out as we go along. Just explain why the EU would | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
be likely to give us something pretty close to what we have now | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
when they sort of have to to show EU membership mean something? I | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
disagree. This is again be completely narrow view about what | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
does the EU represent? We have chosen to leave, and the reality for | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
most neighbours of the EU, it is a political project. Only in this | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
country do we settle and spend our time talking about the marketplace. | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
The marketplace was always a device to drive this coming together of | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
nation states where the point where there is a supranational process. | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
That is what they want, those people that believe in the EU. So for them, | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
they already think that the UK is taking away into a direction because | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
they are not going to be a part of the supranational is taking place. | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
The rest about access to markets is a wholly different issue to settle. | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
My point here is they don't believe by the way that other nations of | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
Europe will want to abandon the European Union, because they believe | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
in the project. We don't. That means it is a different discussion that | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
takes place as a result. What is the goal? Immediately to settle the | :27:14. | :27:23. | |
discussions and what they are about. The German finance minister has said | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
Inbee .com you can't have a settlement, because the two are | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
completely in the related and you will find that is exactly how the | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
discussions will pan out. The goal at the end of it is that we leave | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
the European Union, out of the customs union and the single market | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
as members, but actually accessing and having a relationship with the | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
EU and then with us in terms of free trade, and also in terms of the | :27:51. | :27:58. | |
services industry. More importantly, this is already grasped by various | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
national leaders, they need the UK involved in the exercises on | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
defence, anti-terrorism and intelligence, so we have to remain | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
good friends, cooperating and trading, but just not as direct | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
members of the EU, thus a slightly different path lies ahead of us than | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
it does for the European Union. Should Theresa May go ahead and | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
agree quickly the Brexit Bill, whatever it may be, 50 billion | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
euros, 60 billion euros, in a show of good faith? Actually I think that | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
is a back of the envelope John -- job done by the Commissioner. It is | :28:32. | :28:38. | |
not going to be like that. There is no legal device why we have to pay | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
any money at all to the European Union, but at the end of it all | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
there is another pursuit us. We have put a lot of money into the European | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
Union, half ?1 trillion. Therefore we have invested in assets that are | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
wholly-owned by us of the European Union, such as intellectual property | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
rights, elements of things we have built, invested in. There is a | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
corresponding question for us which is have you valued the assets that | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
we own in the European Union? When you get down to this kind of | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
discussion about money, you have two balance assets versus supposedly | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
abilities before you come to a figure so this is not quite so clear | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
cut as the commission might lead you to believe. Do you get cross when | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
you hear the Chancellor Philip Hammond saying you cannot have your | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
cake and eat it. I have never really understood that phrase. He is saying | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
we are going to have to compromise. Of course, but that doesn't mean to | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
say you can't do what you want. I have not heard the interview so I | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
don't really know. My point about this is that you move away from this | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
phraseology and ask ourselves what is this all about at the end of the | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
day. It is about what the EU thinks is good for them and what the UK | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
thinks is good for us come and the coming together of those to of the | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
overlaps. The requirements from both sides are beginning to become very | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
clear. We both I think at the end of it all want to have good easy access | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
to the market, they do more trade with us, one million jobs in Bavaria | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
alone rely on their car exports to the UK, so there is an overlap of | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
genuine common interest, financial services, they are the ones that | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
mostly come to the city for their capital. They need cheap capital. It | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
is important to them to continue to do that, so the these things begin | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
to settle down, then we ask ourselves the question, as we leave | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
the EU doesn't the EU want to make sure they have full support and | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
access to our markets and also arrangements with us on a wider | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
range of issues about defence, international relations, problems | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
over Russia? So I think those things begin to become the main principles | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
that lie behind what is at the end of the day a good agreement. The | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
good agreement to finish is a one where both sides say we have got | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
something out of it and that is what we will do now. David says it is sad | :30:57. | :31:10. | |
and apprehensive. Consumer confidence kept the economy going so | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
far, but it is no guarantee this will continue. I predict we will be | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
worse off. Debbie in Luton says, "We are pleased that today has arrived | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
without being successfully scuppered by those who don't want to leave the | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
EU. Well done Theresa May. Hello world." Says Debbie in Luton. What | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
do we think of that? By trying to pose that this is making us look | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
more global, you're not fooling anybody. It is this protectionist | :31:38. | :31:48. | |
mentality makes us look more insular. It has been very much more | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
a focus on immigration and I think that is something hasn't | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
disappeared. I think you can be patriotic withouting in | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
nationalistic in view. I disagree there. I'd like to see Britain being | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
more international. We're not pulling up any draw bridges. I mean | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
for a start we should renew our relationship with the old | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
Commonwealth countries. We should look to major markets. I see the | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
Britain I want as being an International UK sort of thing. I | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
just think overall I just feel anxious about it. There is no... Is | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
there That your overriding emotion today, anxiety? There is no real | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
plan. A bunch of kids, "I really want to do it. I really want to do | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
it." And suddenly mum says, "You can do it." And they're like, "I don't | :32:43. | :32:51. | |
know what to do." You voted leave? I think there is a lot for them to get | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
through and we will watch it closely and see how they go about it, but | :32:56. | :33:02. | |
I'm hopeful and excited. I'm really concerned for politicians to think | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
about what will be best for as many people as possible. Not just about | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
what is best for us in Britain where they get votes, but if we can form | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
trade deals where people in the poorest parts of the world will get | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
more for their produce for example rather than just keeping all the | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
wealth in Europe as we have been doing for a long time. I would like | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
to see some of these billions of pounds that are going on admin going | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
to the people in the world who are really, really suffering right now | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
because we've pretty well off in the UK in general. Britain can try and | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
make trade deals with whichever country it wants to, it is just that | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
it will take a bit of time. We have got this trade deal with the EU at | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
the moment because we're part of it, we will withdraw from that and we | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
will start to negotiate that trade deal and about 50 or 60 others. I | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
would like to see tariffs, money going to people producing the things | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
rather than EU bureaucrats. I take huge issue with the premise of the | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
contribution that we received online. For me, the European Union | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
is not necessarily us trying to work with other nations, but as Iain | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
Duncan Smith might have suggested broadening our conception of what we | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
see as home. We have four fundamentals freedoms as an EU | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
member state, goods, services, workers and capital and when you do | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
that, you're almost creating a new country across which you don't have | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
any of these tariff barriers and regulations. So what are you worried | :34:26. | :34:35. | |
about most of all? I was a remain voter because the EU is a creates a | :34:36. | :34:46. | |
state as Iain Duncan Smith might have suggested. So that's why this | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
is worrying for me. Can I just in? Yes, of course you can. I don't | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
think anybody has taken into contribution that Europe is a | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
shrinking Continent. It is the only shrinking Continent in the world so | :35:01. | :35:10. | |
in terms of trade partners Europe is smaller than Asia and, America, | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
China. So in terms of getting better trade deals I think we're doing the | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
right thing by leaving. Over here, what do you think? How how feeling | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
today? Excited, but anxious at the same time. My hope is the Government | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
will negotiate a good deal for Britain that will give jobs and | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
services in this country and keep more of the money we were giving to | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
the EU into Britain. Invest in things we need, the NHS is a big | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
thing. We always talk about it and also education, the Police Service, | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
all the functions of Government will be better. So you're excited and | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
anxious. What about the gentleman next to you? I'm excitedment you | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
think it will be good for Britain. All the doom and gloom is around | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
what the bureaucrats in Brussels are saying because they want to keep | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
their project together. Countries have said regardless of what the EU | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
says they are going to push for what's right for their citizens as | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
well. Economic self interest will override the poll Tesco's of it all, | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
and the EU will come up with a deal that works for BT of us and in the | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
enwe can start looking towards these emerging economies across the world. | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
I take issue it is a noble project because there is a large section, I | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
think a lot of people who voted Brexit, I think it is like a cry for | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
help in a sense because there is a lot of people who feel that they | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
have been left behind and they haven't got a voice in modern | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
politics. What about change? How will those people suddenly get a | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
voice? I just hope they will be included. Why the British Prime | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
Minister? By the politicians... At the moment, you know, you look at | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
the likes of Nick Clegg and all that, there is like a denial there | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
that some people have been left behind by Europe and I think that's | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
why Brexit won and I think politicians have got it start | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
speaking up for the people who actually vote for them rather than | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
their own agenda. I think it is misguided to think all of these | :37:23. | :37:24. | |
problems will be solved by us leaving the EU. People that are | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
feeling behind is not a direct result of our membership of the EU. | :37:28. | :37:34. | |
I think giving Parliament more powers, that does not necessarily | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
mean that the people who are disenfranchised are going to get | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
more of a voice. Shall we read some more messages from the people around | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
the country. Kelly says, "Today, I feel ashamed to be British. I will | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
never unite behind Brexit." It will be the theme of Theresa May's | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
address to the Commons. This person says, "I have decided to leave the | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
UK and emigrate as a proud European and British citizen. This is a sad | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
day." John says, "Why should anyone be worried? This country has ruled | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
itself in the past. Get a backbone, everyone." Thank you very much | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
everyone. Thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you. | :38:14. | :38:25. | |
Co-sleeping with your baby, but there are fears that the danger of | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
doing so aren't getting through. Many parents feel the only way | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
to get their baby to sleep is by lying in the same bed as them | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
- but there are fears that warnings about the danger of doing | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
so aren't getting through. In the UK, just under 300 babies die | :38:44. | :38:45. | |
suddenly and unexpectedly in their sleep every year - | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
NHS guidelines say there is an "association" between those | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
sudden deaths and co-sleeping. Now health professionals have told | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
this programme they think parents are lying to them about doing it | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
for fear of being Our reporter Amber Haque has been | :38:56. | :38:57. | |
speaking to people who co-sleep, and meets one mother whose baby | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
daughter died as they slept together - you may find some | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
of the details upsetting. About 90% of people that | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
I mention we co-sleep to look Most parents will do it at some | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
point, not thinking that For some mums, sleeping | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
with their baby can feel like the most-natural | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
thing in the world. But are warnings about the dangers | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
of doing so getting through? When I woke up, I had | :39:20. | :39:26. | |
obviously discovered Do parents feel they can't tell | :39:27. | :39:28. | |
the truth to professionals So in the end, I just ended up lying | :39:29. | :39:36. | |
to the health visitors because they were putting | :39:37. | :39:44. | |
so much stress. She told me that they would not | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
give me any information because they don't want | :39:47. | :39:48. | |
you doing it. So you don't tell anyone. | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
You keep it to yourself. She's been part of you for | :39:52. | :40:09. | |
the past nine months. So to have her close is just | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
the most-natural thing in the world. Dawn Barclay and her partner Andy | :40:18. | :40:25. | |
had their second child Fern in 2014. I just loved her before | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
she was even born. A tiny baby, Fern would only sleep | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
by her mum's side for the first I just gave Fern me, | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
and what she wanted was to lie cuddled in with me, and it's | :40:38. | :40:47. | |
just what I did for her. I tried every night to try to put | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
her to sleep in her Moses basket. So to let her have sleep and be | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
settled and feel safe and secure, In the bed, yes, I did it | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
the safest way possible. Can you take me back | :41:02. | :41:10. | |
to the night when it happened? Fern had slept quite well | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
that night in her Moses We both had fallen back asleep, | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
but we were lying on the couch. When I woke up, I had obviously | :41:21. | :41:42. | |
discovered that she was I remember lifting her up and just | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
running through to Andy Andy was amazing. | :41:47. | :41:58. | |
He started doing CPR. I thought he had managed | :41:59. | :42:10. | |
to bring her back. He managed to get the colour | :42:11. | :42:20. | |
to come back in her cheeks. So her daddy gave | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
her her last breath. And I just remember falling | :42:29. | :42:36. | |
to the ground and just screaming. I didn't understand | :42:37. | :42:45. | |
what else was going on, apart from I thought | :42:46. | :42:47. | |
I had killed my baby. Fern was eight weeks | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
old when she died. The cause of death | :42:52. | :42:53. | |
was recorded as sudden unexpected death in infancy | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
associated with co-sleeping. Like an underlying | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
condition with her brain. For them to put down | :43:03. | :43:13. | |
on her death certificate that it was to do with | :43:14. | :43:15. | |
co-sleeping is really unfair. It's having it down | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
in black and white about the co-sleeping, | :43:18. | :43:27. | |
and then all of the guilt came back. There have been all these | :43:28. | :43:29. | |
studies done about the I was quite naive. | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
You think it will not happen to you. Thinking about it now, | :43:33. | :43:52. | |
my entire chest aches The NHS estimates that just | :43:53. | :43:54. | |
under 300 babies die unexpectedly in their sleep every | :43:55. | :44:03. | |
year as a result of Sudden Infant Half of those are thought to be | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
related to co-sleeping. It's difficult to say | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
what exactly causes it, but NICE guidelines say there | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
is an association between sleeping together and sudden death | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
in babies under one. Health visitors are told to lay out | :44:24. | :44:25. | |
the risks of co-sleeping to parents and stress that it is | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
particularly dangerous in some So what are some of | :44:31. | :44:32. | |
the dos and don'ts? The NHS advice says to place | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
your baby on their back A baby sleeping on their front | :44:40. | :44:41. | |
is up to six times more The safest place for your baby | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
is in a crib or Moses basket in the same room | :44:47. | :44:53. | |
as you for the first six months. Don't sleep with your | :44:54. | :45:03. | |
baby on a sofa or in an armchair, it can increase the chance | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
of Sids by up to 50 times. You should not sleep | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
in the same bed as your baby if you smoke | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
or if you have drunk Do not sleep in the | :45:12. | :45:13. | |
same bed if you are really tired or if your baby | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
was born prematurely. And finally, remove all | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
pillows and thick duvets. In the UK, it's | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
estimated that half of all mothers have slept with their | :45:25. | :45:33. | |
babies by the time they are About 90% of people I mention | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
co-sleeping to look horrified. It is a strange thing, it is | :45:37. | :45:51. | |
completely natural for us to want our babies next to us and for them | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
to want to be near their mothers. How much does it worry you that | :45:55. | :46:04. | |
something could happen? Any first-time parent is worried | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
something will happen to the baby, If anything would happen, | :46:08. | :46:09. | |
you could not live with yourself, It goes back to making | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
sure you do it safely. Everybody says to persist | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
putting her down, leave her crying. But it gets to the point where | :46:21. | :46:30. | |
I say, I'll leave her half an hour, and listen to her crying, | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
and after 15 minutes it is horrible, she starts choking herself | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
and coughing, she is clearly not happy, so I would rather my baby be | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
happy in my arms whilst I am awake and happy with me in bed whilst | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
we are sleeping than Health visitors need to be impartial | :46:44. | :46:45. | |
from their own opinions. I spoke to my friend | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
about co-sleeping, and I had no information from my health visitor | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
or midwife, she said they would not give information | :46:58. | :46:59. | |
because they do not want If parents are going to co-sleep, | :47:00. | :47:01. | |
regardless of the warnings, That parents are not telling | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
the truth to the health visitor. Elaine McInnis advised health | :47:08. | :47:25. | |
watchdog NICE about their guidelines Three years on, she says | :47:26. | :47:27. | |
there's a concern parents are not being truthful, | :47:28. | :47:39. | |
and the guidelines on how to do it Can you put a number on how many | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
parents you think are lying to their health visitor | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
about co-sleeping? It is | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
a difficult question to measure. But we put these questions out | :47:52. | :48:04. | |
to the health visiting community, and we have a 6000 reach | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
on that very question. Overwhelmingly, the responses we had | :48:08. | :48:09. | |
from health visitors across the country was, | :48:10. | :48:11. | |
yes, they were afraid that parents They would go as far as to say | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
that they are scared that they would be told | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
they are a bad mother and have their children | :48:19. | :48:20. | |
taken away from them, Do you think that health visitors | :48:21. | :48:22. | |
themselves can do more? Health visitors are doing the best | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
that they can possibly do. But the issue is the numbers | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
of health visitors that we have on the front line is reducing | :48:33. | :48:34. | |
on a daily basis. No parent would want | :48:35. | :48:45. | |
to lose a child. There are 200 plus babies a year | :48:46. | :48:55. | |
that die unintentionally of SIDS, we have no idea why, | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
and that should be no babies, no parents should go | :48:59. | :49:00. | |
through the trauma. Is it the fear of that potential | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
trauma that makes parents feel Sophie co-slept with both her | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
daughters as babies. I really was upset by my | :49:11. | :49:25. | |
decisions to co-sleep. But I was breast-feeding | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
at the time, and I could not see It did not make sense, | :49:29. | :49:31. | |
so in the end I ended up lying to the health visitors, | :49:32. | :49:40. | |
because they were putting so much stress, and they can | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
really undermine you, because you are in a very | :49:47. | :49:48. | |
vulnerable situation. But nowadays they are just so scared | :49:49. | :49:50. | |
about giving out the wrong advice. It is just creating this awful | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
atmosphere between the health care professionals and the families, | :49:54. | :50:03. | |
and it is not doing anyone any good. Five years on, Sophie | :50:04. | :50:15. | |
still co-sleeps and breast-feeds her She and partner Chris sleep | :50:16. | :50:17. | |
with the girls in two double We would never have imagined five | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
years on we would be shoving two double beds together and sleeping | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
all together as a family. We do not normally tell | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
people that we co-sleep, because we have had so much judgment | :50:31. | :50:46. | |
over the years, the judgment just gets greater, | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
the older a child gets. We enjoy it the way it is, | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
we feel it brings us I think you have to be more | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
creative when it comes You would not want to be all | :50:59. | :51:08. | |
intimate with the kids right there. It does, but you do not | :51:09. | :51:20. | |
have the time, the two kids. We are married, so that goes out | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
the window anyway, doesn't it! The cards that were given | :51:26. | :51:36. | |
when she was born, and outfit she was meant to wear at Christmas, | :51:37. | :51:38. | |
her first hat and toy. It has been over two years | :51:39. | :51:46. | |
since Dawn lost her baby girl, Fern. To have that taken away, | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
at such a young age, he did not understand | :51:50. | :52:13. | |
where his baby had went. 13 months later, Dawn had | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
another baby, called Faye. Faye knows that if she waves | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
of the windows, she is saying hi There are loads of bits and pieces | :52:20. | :52:25. | |
of her all over the house. We have had a patchwork quilt made | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
with her old clothes. A hat I have got, a teddy made | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
with one of her old outfits. Anyone can get a leaflet | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
or guidelines about how your baby should sleep, but without putting | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
a face to it, to make people realise that it does happen, | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
it is still tearing She has made an impact | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
on so many lives. But I wish people would | :52:51. | :52:59. | |
learn from my mistakes We have heard lots of comments from | :53:00. | :53:25. | |
you on this, as you would expect. Thank you. Cam is baffled about why | :53:26. | :53:33. | |
it is so controversial. Their baby sleeps in the super king-size, | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
sleeps in the middle, no pillows or sheets on him, we have a bedroom | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
thermometer and a ceiling fan, and bed cards and a video monitor -- bed | :53:44. | :53:51. | |
guards. If either me or my house and have had a drink with friends, that | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
person will sleep on the sofa. We all sleep better. On Facebook, Nikki | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
says I am a nurse on a neonatal intensive care unit and I have said | :54:01. | :54:08. | |
perfect babies having intensive care treatment because of co-sleeping. It | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
is not judgment, it is concern the baby's life. This one says babies | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
need to be with their mums, we are sanitising motherhood. Bev says my | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
heart goes out to the lady on your film. It is common sense if you just | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
think a little, it is dangerous to fall asleep with your baby next to | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
you or on top of your tummy. The best thing you can do is to start | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
your baby out in their own crib was Moses Barker from the day they come | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
home. -- basket. There is an abundance of information available | :54:42. | :54:49. | |
to reduce the risk of SIDS, so please use common sense. | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
And if you've been affected by any of the issues in that report, | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
there are details of organisations who can help. | :54:58. | :54:59. | |
Just go to our website: bbc.co.uk/actionline. | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
There are 3.3 million EU citizens living in the UK. | :55:05. | :55:12. | |
Over the next two years, as negotiations on Brexit take place, | :55:13. | :55:14. | |
decisions will be made about whether they will be | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
able to stay in the UK, whether they will have to apply | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
for visas, like non-EU residents, or be kicked out altogether? | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
Many are worried about what the future holds for them, | :55:23. | :55:24. | |
especially when it comes to immigration, job security, | :55:25. | :55:26. | |
social services and how welcome they'll be in a place | :55:27. | :55:28. | |
Though the chancellor Philip Hammond has made it clear today | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
that there will be no cut-off from today to the rights of EU | :55:34. | :55:36. | |
Let me introduce you to various people. | :55:37. | :55:45. | |
Fatime Al-Badri is a Dutch Student who has lived in the UK | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
Olivia Vicol is Romanian and a PhD candidate at Oxford. | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
Conor Sheridan is an Irish actor who has lived in the UK for 16 years | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
And Tanja Bueltmann, a German Professor, who says she has | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
been abused in the street since the referendum. | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
All are EU residents and would have voted to remain had they had a vote | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
in the referendum and all are worried about how they will get | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
Because that is your aim Comey want to continue to stay here? I did have | :56:16. | :56:23. | |
a vote, by the way. I voted to remain. Very important thing to do | :56:24. | :56:32. | |
so. And you want to remain? Absolutely, there are so many issues | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
we don't have time to talk about. Try us. It is not just about | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
economics, it is about social situation, world wars, people forget | :56:42. | :56:44. | |
that this has happened as a result of world wars in the 40s and was | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
agreed in 1957. There is a whole lot of things and it is about being | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
together, and the importance of that. Brexit has unleashed an awful | :56:54. | :57:02. | |
lot of differences in people. Racism and fascism. I think it is very | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
unhealthy. I think it is very sad, and I don't think our government are | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
telling us the entire truth, and I don't think they are dealing with it | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
particularly well. You are all effectively going to be bargaining | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
chips in these negotiations. Theresa May is giving her cards close to her | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
chest. You know, first of all, how do you feel about being part of the | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
negotiations, the bargaining chips, if you like? It is very hard to feel | :57:30. | :57:37. | |
passive, especially as an academic, somebody who researches migration, | :57:38. | :57:39. | |
all of this conversation happens above our heads effectively and we | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
can only sit back and listen to it and be alert and try to become | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
secure on our own as much as possible, secure our savings, | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
perhaps establish the more connections back home or elsewhere. | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
But yes, it is very frustrating just to witness it from a passive | :57:55. | :58:01. | |
position. I think Theresa May needs to provide some sort of reassurance | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
will stop people are uncertain in general, let alone the EU citizens | :58:07. | :58:09. | |
living here. We already know that the MPs refused to amend the motion | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
to protect EU citizens and allow them the definite right to stay. I | :58:16. | :58:24. | |
think that the Mayor of London has already gone to France and has | :58:25. | :58:27. | |
requested that too is that reassurance to the citizens. And I | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
think that in order to protect what we currently have here in the UK, I | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
think that reassurance needs to be provided. Tanja Bueltmann, you are | :58:38. | :58:45. | |
bargaining chips because Theresa May knows we have about a million EU | :58:46. | :58:51. | |
citizens living in other European countries, so until their status is | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
sorted, those cannot be sorted. That is the logic. I think it is | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
extremely illogical. We came here in good faith, that is my view. I came | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
to the UK to contribute to society here, that was the choice, I am sure | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
everyone else would agree with that. So we contribute to live here every | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
day. If the government can't do the decent thing and not actually make | :59:15. | :59:17. | |
as part of the negotiations, I think that sends a really clear message to | :59:18. | :59:25. | |
us. You have experienced racism in the street, I think, as a German in | :59:26. | :59:33. | |
the UK. Tell us about that. I was speaking in German on the mobile | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
phone to my mother, and I got shouted at two F off back to my | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
country. I think this is a new thing. It did not happen before. | :59:42. | :59:47. | |
Also connected to that, certainly we are all often cast as foreigners. | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
They have never been called a foreigner before 2016. All of this | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
was stirred up in the referendum, and now this limbo status makes it | :59:58. | :59:59. | |
worse because it basically tells racists that our status is not clear | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
so they are pushing that to push their xenophobic agenda. What is it | :00:08. | :00:19. | |
like living in a limbo state? I personally feel like I have to be | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
very alert. To what? Nobody knows what is going to happen, it looks | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
like this government will prioritise migration over everything else, | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
which means that the pound will probably continue to fall, as it has | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
so far. My job as an academic, a wannabe academic at least, is not | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
secure because much funding comes from the European Union, so I feel | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
like I have to constantly engineer ways of becoming secure, thinking | :00:46. | :00:46. | |
where I will work. What is it you? In what sense? You are still no | :00:47. | :01:00. | |
clearer? Nobody is clear. There was a lot of lies in the referendum | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
campaign. A lot of spin. I mean watching Question Time the other | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
night, watching David Davis, David Davis says one thing, one minute and | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
another, another. He acknowledged that immigration may go up, as well | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
as go down? He doesn't know. He says one thing one minute and Boris, I | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
mean, he was then inof the Leave. I think he is a disaster. He is a bit | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
of an embarrassment. He doesn't answer questions and just laughs | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
things off as if it doesn't matter. Your country, your Union is divided | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
politically and socially. Scotland has a chance to leave. Northern | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Ireland, the DUP are only one seat ahead of Sinn Fein now in the | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Northern Ireland elections as we found out two weeks ago. I think we | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
can see a united Ireland sooner than we may. The United Kingdom, and one | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
thing to say nobody talked if France wants to leave the EU, France leaves | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
the EU. If the UK wants to leave the EU, you're four countries, two of | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
which wants to stay, two of which want to leave. Nobody has spoken | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
about that and nobody had a contingency plan. We live in a | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
country, in England, that's a culture of contingency. People did | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
talk about that. We talked about it on this programme. What's the plan? | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
I don't know what the plan is. I'm just a humble journalist. | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
Regarding that feeling of disunity from Conor and others, Theresa May | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
will talk about that in the Commons later when she address her fellow | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
MPs after Prime Minister's Questions at 12.30pm which is the moment of | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
Brexit because that's when the letter is handed over to Donald | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
Tusk. News and sport are on the way. | :02:49. | :02:49. | |
Before that, the weather. Good morning. It is grey skies for | :02:50. | :03:06. | |
most today. North-east Scotland should stay dry. Sunshine here. We | :03:07. | :03:13. | |
could hit around 17 or 18 Celsius. Temperatures will hold up through | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
tonight. We've got south to south-westerly winds. Still bringing | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
outbreaks of rind across Scotland and western England and Wales and | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
later Northern Ireland. Coldest of all, Shetland at four Celsius, but | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
temperatures will rise into tomorrow. After starting 10, 11, 12 | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
Celsius Celsius, southerly winds tomorrow and we have got sunshine | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
across central and eastern areas. It means that things will warm up | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
quickly. An isolated chance of a shower across the South East corner. | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
Another cloudy day. Further rain especially West Wales and Lancashire | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
and Cumbria. In the sunshine in the South East we could hit 22 Celsius. | :03:53. | :03:54. | |
Bye for now. Our top story today - | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
the triggering of Article 50. The Prime Minister will today | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
formally start the process to take What do voters think? I think it is | :04:08. | :04:16. | |
this protectionist mental crit. It makes us look more insular. I would | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
like to see Britain being more international. We're not pulling up | :04:20. | :04:27. | |
any draw bridges. This morning, the Chancellor tells colleagues we | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
cannot have our cake and eat it. In other words there have to be | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
compromise, but Britain will get a Brexit deal. | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
Also on the programme, ex-Royal Marine Alexander Blackman | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
could be home in a matter of weeks, after having his sentence | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
for shooting dead a wounded taliban fighter reduced. | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
His wife, Claire Blackman, tells us about his reaction to the outcome. | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
I spoke to him shortly afterwards and I think it took a little longer | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
for the realisation to hit. I think he'd worked very hard to prepare | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
himself for not such good news. So, once it had finally dawned on us | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
that we were going to be together soon, we were very happy. | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
And the dangers of co-sleeping with your new baby. | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
You think it's not going to happen to you. Still thinking about it my | :05:15. | :05:22. | |
entire chest aches with just the pain of it. | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
Health professionals tell us they fear parents are lying | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
about sleeping with their children for fear of being judged. | :05:29. | :05:40. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
Theresa May has signed the letter that will formally begin the UK's | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
The letter will be delivered by hand to the President | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
of the European Council, Donald Tusk, at 12.30 | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
At the same time, the Prime Minister will make a statement to the Commons | :05:56. | :06:06. | |
in which she'll urge the country to come together as it embarks | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
Let's join Ben Brown. A carefully choreographed day? Very much so, | :06:10. | :06:19. | |
Joanna. We know the choreography very much. Tim Bar owe, who is | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
Britain's permanent representative at the European Union, he is in his | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
offices over there in the European Council buildings in Brussels. He | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
has got that letter with him that Theresa May signed last night in | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
Downing Street. We gather it is several pages long and sets out | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
Theresa May's vision of how the Brexit negotiations will go. The | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
broad parameter she set out in January in her Lancaster House | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
speechment he at 1.20pm, 12.20pm your time, will walk over to the | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
president of the European Council, Donald Tusk and hands him that | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
letter and it is when Donald Tusk acknowledges that he received that | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
letter that Article 50 is triggered. We gather he will acknowledge | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
receipt of that letter with a tweet and a video statement later on, but | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
his formal response and much more detailed response won't come for | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
another 48 hours, until Friday, and that's when he sets out his | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
parameters and he will send that out to the other 27 leaders, but the | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
negotiations themselves, they may not really get going until May or | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
June and may not get going in earnest until after the French and | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
German elections in May and September. So it may all not really | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
start properly the negotiating until the autumn. So a will the of people | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
here are saying the time frame is very tight indeed because the | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
negotiations have to be completed by October of 2018 in order for the | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
agreement to be ratified by the European Parliament. | :07:57. | :07:57. | |
? Thank you very much, Ben. We'll have live coverage | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
of the Theresa May's statement on triggering Article | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
50 to the Commons. That's on the BBC News | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
Channel at 12.30pm. An American man who was paralysed | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
from the shoulders down, has been able to feed himself | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
and hold onto a cup of coffee, after surgeons put implants | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
into his brain and arm. Bill Kochevar had paralysis | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
in all four of his limbs, after his bicycle ran into the back | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
of a lorry. Doctors say it's the first time | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
implants controlled by the brain have been used to help someone reach | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
and grab objects once again. The family of Mark duggan whose | :08:25. | :08:40. | |
shooting by police marksmen sparked riots have lost a court case that he | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
was lawfully killed. There was another successful trial | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
of video technology which was used to correct two wrong decisions | :08:53. | :09:03. | |
in Spain's 2-0 win over France in their friendly | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
in Paris last night. Antoine Griezmann thought he'd put | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
France ahead but the video referee Gerard Deulofeu scored Spain's | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
second and was flagged offside, but again the video was checked | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
and the goal was given. The FA have said they want | :09:17. | :09:29. | |
to trial the technology from the third round onwards in next | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
year's FA Cup. Brazil have become the first | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
country to qualify for They went through with four games | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
to spare after Uruguay's Sale Sharks winger Denny Solomona | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
said he had the support of his family and coach | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
after declaring himself available Solomona represented Samoa | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
in Rugby League and was playing for Castleford in Super League | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
when he controversially switched He's eligible for England, | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
after completing his Roger Federer's impressive start | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
to 2017 shows no signs of faltering. He's lost only one match this | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
year after returning from five months out | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
and he's through to the quarter-finals of the Miami Open | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
after beating Spain's Roberto His fellow Swiss, top seed | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
Stan Wawrinka is out, though. Maria Sharapova will return | :10:15. | :10:24. | |
to the women's Tour at next month's Stuttgart Open having served a 15 | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
month doping ban. Her last professional tournament | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
was the 2016 Australian Open where she failed a drugs test | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
and she's happy to have I am at an age and a stage where you | :10:39. | :10:47. | |
are closer to thend than you are to the beginning, you always want to | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
end your career or a chapter in your life on your terms and in your | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
voice. That's why I fought so hard for the truth to be out. You don't | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
realise how much you love something and how much something means to you | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
until you lose it for sometime. She is set to return next month. | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
That's all the sport. Britain takes a step | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
into the unknown today when it formally serves notice on leaving | :11:15. | :11:16. | |
the European Union. For some it's a day of jubilation, | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
for others a day of dread, but there's pretty much | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
no going back. Whatever happens - very little | :11:26. | :11:26. | |
will change immediately - as we're faced with two years | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
of negotiations and wrangles. Our reporter Jim Reed has been | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
talking to voters in Luton. If we want Brexit to bring better | :11:32. | :11:43. | |
opportunities for young people, young people need to make | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
their voices heard, and we can appeal to Parliament | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
about what that should be. I am a Masters student at Warwick | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
University, I voted to leave. We did not get chance to | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
have a democratic vote for 40 years. The EU was becoming a much bigger | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
organisation than we signed up to. I am 50, I am a freelance PR | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
and event consultant I thought some of the legislation | :12:04. | :12:13. | |
and regulations were prohibitive to business and we could do it | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
better, so I voted to leave. What questions would have made | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
the difference for people, I have lived in the UK for 13 years, | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
I am a proud British citizen. The people have spoken, | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
this was not an opinion poll, it is a command to Parliament, | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
so I am on board. What does it mean, instead of just | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
saying these are possibilities, It is important to move on now, | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
there is no use throwing a tantrum and getting upset | :12:45. | :12:56. | |
about what people voted for. Theresa May has two | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
things going for her. She came to office after the vote | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
was taken, so she is not sullied by the mudslinging that went on, | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
even though she did not say a lot. In her public statements so far, | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
she seems to be quite We're not going to go off the rails | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
one way or the other. I think it is either the case | :13:16. | :13:33. | |
that only now has a real plan begun to develop, | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
or there is not one, as I believe what the Government is trying to do | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
is hide its negotiation as much I have been very concerned, | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
I cannot lie, with Theresa May. She did come at a very difficult | :13:45. | :13:53. | |
time, and I do not envy her, but I feel as though she did not | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
stand as the leader I would have hoped to have had | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
in such an uncertain time. With Brexit we have to make sure | :14:02. | :14:10. | |
we do not throw the baby out with the bath water, | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
and to keep the parts of the EU The Government needs to make sure | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
that there are easy routes open for international students to come | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
here and for British people to go Mine is from a business point | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
of view, it is free trade. We have international clients. | :14:25. | :14:32. | |
I work overseas a lot. So I need to be able to travel | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
quickly and easily and nothing too People need to feel | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
they have control of their We need to feel we are making laws | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
in this country that, if we don't like the law, | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
we can evict the lawmaker. And the management of migration, | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
find the best resource At the moment it is | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
being overplayed. You have people saying | :14:57. | :15:08. | |
that they want to be independent from the UK, | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
but they wanted be part of the EU. If you want to be independent, | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
why rush to join the EU? I hope that it does not break up | :15:14. | :15:22. | |
the UK, we need to stick together I voted to leave, | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
but I am pro-European, I do not see why it should result | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
in any more break-up. What you were saying, | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
"I am pro-Europe but I do not want to be in Europe," | :15:35. | :15:42. | |
that frustrates me. You can't say we want as part of | :15:43. | :15:51. | |
Europe. If you are going to say Brexit means | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
Brexit, sever the arm off. Now we have got | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
to deal with leaving. But I voted to leave, | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
I did not vote to cut our arm off, I did not vote to have no | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
tie at all. I think a second | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
referendum is unnecessary. The people gave Parliament | :16:06. | :16:14. | |
an instruction. It is not up to former | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
Prime Ministers to tell us that we were too intellectually | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
lightweight to understand what we were doing and that we should | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
now have to rethink it. Graeme because we have been led into | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
a fool's paradise. The argument that David Cameron | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
should not have even offered a referendum to the British people, | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
since it has not been on the ballot The British people deserve | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
the chance to rethink their membership of the EU, | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
they have not had it before, If we are to say, could we have | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
another referendum, let people know That is the bit that | :16:54. | :17:05. | |
frustrates me, the uncertainty. Be clear on what it is, be truthful, | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
let people vote for a reality. The main criticism is we do not | :17:11. | :17:17. | |
have enough information, so if there were to be a second | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
referendum, we would need a lot more information, | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
things would have to be different, So at 12.30 today the divorce | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
papers will be served by hand to the President | :17:26. | :17:37. | |
of the European Council, Actually, at 12:20pm, | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
we are now told. As it's delivered, | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
the Prime Minister will make a statement to the Commons | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
in which she'll urge the country to "come together" as it embarks | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
on a "momentous journey". Here we have four MPs to discuss | :17:53. | :17:54. | |
what they think will happen once They are the Labour MP Gisela Stuart | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
who campaigned to leave the EU, Hannah Bardell from the SNP | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
who campaigned to stay in the EU, Anne Marie Morris who wanted Britain | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
to leave the European Union and is a Conservative MP, | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
Sarah Olney who won a byelection for the Liberal Democrats, | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
after campaigning on the issue of Brexit and ousting | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
the sitting MP, Zac Goldsmith, Are you desperate to get your hands | :18:13. | :18:22. | |
on this letter that Mrs May has written? I don't think it is going | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
to give us any clues. The more important thing to remember is that | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
there are 19,000 articles according to the Commons library, pieces of | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
legislation, that will be coming back from Europe. The greatest cut | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
and paste job we have ever seen. EU legislation that we will import into | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
British law? We are not going to do that until we get the great reform | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
bill. It is about the trigger, but then will be the great reform bill | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
or the great power grab. A number of academics have said they are very | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
concerned of the fact that the government will change legislation, | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
bring back power from places like Scotland, a bone of contention, and | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
there is a question about whether we will get to properly scrutinise that | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
legislation and have proper debate and vote on it. There were 147 | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
amendments to the Scotland act. Scotland Bill. We had the ability to | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
push seven votes and it took the electric over two and a half hours. | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
So you are worried about time and lack of scrutiny. What are you | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
looking forward to today? I am less worried about what I think is the | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
challenge, but we don't have to solve it overnight. For me it is a | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
great opportunity for trade, for large business. We will have | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
international trade agreements with countries we have never been able to | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
have bilateral agreements with before. For our smaller businesses, | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
they get a win as well because they will need to start recreating supply | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
chains within the United Kingdom for some of our larger companies who | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
want now to build in Britain rather than import parts for the main | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
product into the UK. We also have an opportunity for import substitution | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
and the food industry has been looking at it very carefully. We | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
have not really been able to pull together all of our food businesses | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
and let at how we can industrialise, and I don't mean make it into a | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
factory but I may make it efficient, bring in some of the high-tech, | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
which we can do but together we can applaud it. -- afford it. There is a | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
huge opportunity. I can see your buoyancy and your joy. I was going | :20:40. | :20:47. | |
to say that today is the start of a process but the problem is we don't | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
know what the end is. Anne-Marie is talking about all this marvellous | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
things that will happen but we just don't know. Today we start the | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
process of a negotiation. At some point there will be some agreement | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
but we still don't know who will make the decision about whether we | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
accept those terms or not. We have always said we think it should be | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
the people, they should get the final vote on the terms but Theresa | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
May hasn't used to make any commitment on this and I think that | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
is rarely important because yes, the country voted to leave the European | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
Union last June, but we still don't know what they were voting for. We | :21:21. | :21:22. | |
still don't know what our future looks like. Let's ask the zealous | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
Stuart, a Labour MP, do you know what people voted for -- Gisela | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
Stuart. We were quite clear that it was about taking control over your | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
borders, taxes, laws and trade negotiations. What will happen after | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
today is both the United Kingdom and the European Union will have to take | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
a new fresh look at itself. It is a huge opportunity for National | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
renewal but also for the European Union to address some of their | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
problems. If we are grown up about these negotiations, then we will | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
take things like workers' rights, all of those things currently | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
enshrined in EU legislation, take them in UK legislation. A process of | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
saying we have the final say on this. But the final endgame for me | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
is we have to take those communities who voted in large numbers to leave | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
far more resilient so they can actually withstand the threat of | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
globalisation. On the Food Drink industry, and I have met with the | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
food and Rincon industry and federation. They are very concerned | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
about regulation because of the moment we have unified regulation. | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
Which means we can easily import and bring stuffing. Exactly. Two of the | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
biggest exports from Scotland, salmon and the ski, if there is not | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
unified regulation and systems, we will have stuff stuck at the border. | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
It seems somewhat extraordinary. You talk about trade deals, they can | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
take years. Now they don't take years. They do, that is not doom and | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
gloom, they do. Only because you have been talking about trade deals | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
that take 28 countries to agree. It will be relatively straightforward, | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
I am not saying walk on the part, but you said earlier these are | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
things we could do before that is simply not right. We could not enter | :23:15. | :23:17. | |
into bilateral agreements with other people. Mrs May wants today to | :23:18. | :23:26. | |
effectively draw a line under the divisions caused by the referendum. | :23:27. | :23:33. | |
Can that happen? It very much depends on her approach. I think one | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
of the things that really concerns me is the agenda at the moment has | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
very much been driven by the Brexiteers, the right-wing levers. I | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
think if she is being honest about wanting to be more consensual then | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
she needs to start listening to the voices of those who wanted to | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
remain. Does at how the Chancellor has signalled today there will be no | :23:56. | :24:03. | |
cut-off today, today is not being seen as a cut-off point. Is that a | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
softening of her position? I guess so. What we have always asked for is | :24:09. | :24:16. | |
a unilateral degree -- agree for the rights of EU citizens to stay in | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
this country and we think there would be an excellent way to start | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
off, because it would show Britain is serious about maintaining good | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
relations with the EU. Is a Conservative MP, doesn't make across | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
when you hear your Chancellor say we can't have your cake and eat it? | :24:32. | :24:39. | |
Give me a context. He is making it clear that there will be a lot of | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
compromises over the next couple of years. Sometimes when you listen to | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
Leave campaigners, they make the negotiation sound like a walk in the | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
park. I don't think it will be a walk in the park but I don't think | :24:52. | :24:54. | |
we have the doom and gloom scenario that we will have to give away a lot | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
to get the freedom we have fought for. I think the focus on this 60 | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
billion. The so-called exit bill. Exactly, that is completely unreal. | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
The figure is far from clear. But you accept that Britain has to pay | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
its liabilities. I think you will find that in any divorce, and I'm | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
sure many of us have experienced this. Speak for yourself! What we | :25:20. | :25:29. | |
actually do is we look at what the liabilities are and the assets and | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
look at what is fair but what I don't think is fair is that we in | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
the UK should be paying for benefits that we are not going to receive | :25:36. | :25:43. | |
after we have left. What about paying in order to get access for a | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
particular sector in this country, like the City of London? I think | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
paying from ship of some of the science research schemes, they are | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
well worth it, but this regard for the city, we are incredibly strong | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
there and to think that we are in the weaker bargaining position, in | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
terms of forward about the city is not the right position to take. | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
Thank you all very much. PMQs at midday followed by Theresa May, the | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
Prime Minister, standing up to address the Commons with a letter to | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
Donald Tusk and what it says in it, and giving some more clues about her | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
negotiating position when it comes to sorting out that Brexit deal over | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
the next couple of years. Next - the wife of the former | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
Royal Marine who shot dead a wounded Taliban soldier in Afghanistan tells | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
this progrmame of her relief and delight that he'll | :26:34. | :26:35. | |
be released in weeks. Sgt Alexander Blackman - | :26:36. | :26:37. | |
who was inititially known as Marine A - | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
has been in prison for three But after his original conviction | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
for murder was reduced to manslaughter, his | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
sentence was also cut. Sgt Blackman and his men were | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
on a tour in Afghanistan in 2011 After being targeted by the Taliban, | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
he found an injured Footage from a helmet-mounted camera | :26:53. | :27:05. | |
showed him shooting him Obviously, this doesn't | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
go anywhere, fellas. I've just broken | :27:09. | :27:16. | |
the Geneva convention. Sergeant Blackman's wife Claire led | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
the campaign for his murder conviction to be re-examined, | :27:20. | :27:28. | |
and yesterday their lawyer said "she kept the flame alive | :27:29. | :27:30. | |
when the legal system had completely abandoned her husband", | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
and described her as "the lioness In her first TV interview | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
since the case, she told us of her huge relief | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
and delight at his release. Relief initially. I think it took a | :27:42. | :27:57. | |
little while for the news to sink in that absolutely delighted, the | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
result we were hoping for. And your husband was there via video link. | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
What was his reaction? The same actually. I spoke to him shortly | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
afterwards and I think it took a little longer for the realisation to | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
hit. He had worked very hard to prepare himself for not such good | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
news, so want it had finally dawned on us that we were going to be | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
together soon, we were very happy. So he had braced himself for the | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
worst westerner that is generally our way of coping with things, | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
Professor the worst and you never know we might get a better result | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
than that. What have you been told about when he will be free? We are | :28:41. | :28:48. | |
hoping in the next day or so. But you are expecting it at the next | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
couple of weeks or so? The sentence was just over seven years and he's | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
just over three years, five months, so it should be imminent. Is it true | :28:59. | :29:05. | |
on video link you manage to get in that he loved you yesterday? The | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
court staff have been absolutely fantastic. We have been a regular | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
appearance in court and the staff have got to know us and look after | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
us very well. They allow us at the end of the video link to have a | :29:20. | :29:21. | |
quick word with each other on camera. I did warn him that the | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
court had not yet cleared, but yes, he did tell me he loved me. I wonder | :29:27. | :29:35. | |
if you could give our audience and insight into the mental state of | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
your husband? He done so many tours of duty in very dangerous places, | :29:42. | :29:50. | |
what condition was he in? I never get to see the side of him that is | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
under incredible stress at work. He is obviously thousands of miles away | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
in a war zone and I will speak to him once a week by satellite phone. | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
My role is to make sure that he knows that I am safe and well and he | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
is not having to worry about anything, other than the job he is | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
tasked to do. So I think as we have talked throughout this whole | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
process, only have I come to understand just what incredible | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
circumstances our servicemen and women are expected to operate in. | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
Width at a previous hearing, judges described your husband as an | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
exemplary soldier. The judges said although his responsibility was | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
diminished, Alexander Blackman still retained a substantial | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
responsibility for the deliberate killing of the telephone insurgent. | :30:46. | :30:53. | |
Is that fair? He has never suggested anything else, he has always taken | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
responsibility, he has always regretted his actions, we now know | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
they were the actions of a man suffering from combat stress | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
disorder. If you asked him would he turned back the clock to undo that | :31:08. | :31:14. | |
incident, absolutely he would. They went on to say that his actions | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
could be used as a propaganda tool by insurgents. I think there are so | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
many aspects of this case that if not carefully taken in context can | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
be described as propaganda tools. The video clips themselves have not | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
been made available for exactly the same reason. I am not in a position | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
to try and second-guess what terrorist organisations may or may | :31:41. | :31:41. | |
not use. Your husband has been dismissed from | :31:42. | :31:52. | |
the Royal Marines. Would he want to rejoin? That's a really important | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
point. He has been dismissed. The previous sentence that was | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
overturned was dismissed with disgrace and that's something that | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
we found very difficult because of his exemplary career and the love of | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
his time at the Royal Marines so to have that simply a dismissal is a | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
fantastic relief. He has in the been reduced to rank so he retains his | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
rank of sergeant going forward which is important to him and to us. | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
Would he want to serve again? I think that now is the time to look | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
forward, to spend sometime together, to be a married couple and to | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
reassess what it is that he wants to do for the rest of his career. | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
That's interesting. On his behalf, you're not ruling that out, that | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
desire out? We have not really had that conversation. We have been | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
focussed on getting yesterday's result and I can't answer on his | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
behalf. What has been the lowest point for you in the last few years | :33:00. | :33:07. | |
would you say? I think it has to be that day when the conviction was | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
announced, the sentence was given for the original murder conviction, | :33:12. | :33:20. | |
having snapped through a court martial process that we know the | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
Criminal Cases Review Commission has described as flawed and has | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
criticised the previous defence team and the judge advocate general. We | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
knew that that decision was unfair and unjust, but it was the lowest | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
point and yesterday saw that completely overturned. Did you ever | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
believe, I mean, did you ever really think in your heart of hearts that | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
yesterday would come? We obviously hoped and we continued to work and | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
fight for that day and we had incredible support as you have seen | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
from thousands of people who also felt that that day should come, but | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
hes not to say there weren't days when we really wondered if it would | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
ever happen. Do you feel you and your husband have been let down by | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
the Army? In some ways, yes, absolutely. I think it is very clear | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
that out on that tour the support that he needed and should have had | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
was not there. He has had and continues to have a great deal of | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
support and friendship from former colleagues and some of whom are very | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
senior, but there has been a lack of support from other aspects of the | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
Royal Marine Corps. And what do you think about that? I think it is | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
inevitable to be honest. We were in a court martial process on | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
effectively opposing sides and that saddens me because what we should | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
have done and should now do is work together to make sure that the | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
lessons from this case are learned. Well, what lessons would you draw | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
from your husband's case then? There are many. And they start with the | :34:59. | :35:04. | |
support that the men need in situations that they find themselves | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
and a process that makes sure that that support is in place and is | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
recorded, but there are also huge lessons to be learnt from the court | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
martial process which failed him significantly in the original | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
hearings and that needs to be addressed. | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
When your husband is finally free, what will be the first thing you say | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
to him? What will be the first thing you do together? I think we'll just | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
have a huge hug and spend sometime together, making sure that we set | :35:38. | :35:46. | |
off on our re-established married life together and doing whatever it | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
is that we decide we want to do. Thank you very much. Thank you very | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
much for talking to us, Clare. A pleasure. | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
Phil says the way the authorities treat our soldiers are appalling. | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
I'm really surprised they put their lives on the line for these | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
unthankful people. A viewer says, "Murder is murder. There is no | :36:10. | :36:17. | |
excuse." Audrey says, "I wish Clare and Alexander Blackman happiness | :36:18. | :36:18. | |
going forward." As many as half of all babies | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
in England have slept in the same bed as their parents by the time | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
they are six months old. But this programme has been told | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
that many parents who co-sleep are so fearful about being judged | :36:31. | :36:32. | |
they are not telling Experts say they're concerned that | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
guidance on how to minimise Our reporter Amber Haque bought | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
you her full report an hour ago. She's been part of you for | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
the past nine months. So to have her close is just | :36:44. | :36:56. | |
the most-natural thing in the world. Dawn Barclay and her partner Andy | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
had their second child Fern in 2014. Can you take me back | :37:00. | :37:07. | |
to the night when it happened? Fern had slept quite well | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
that night in her Moses We both had fallen back asleep, | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
but we were lying on the couch. When I woke up, I had | :37:15. | :37:34. | |
obviously discovered So I remember lifting her up | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
and just running through to Andy Andy was amazing. | :37:41. | :37:48. | |
He started doing CPR. I thought he had managed | :37:49. | :37:59. | |
to bring her back. He managed to get the colour | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
to come back in her cheeks. So her daddy gave | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
her her last breath. The NHS estimates that just under | :38:11. | :38:19. | |
300 babies die unexpectedly in their sleep every year | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
as a result of Sudden Half of those are thought | :38:26. | :38:27. | |
to be co-sleeping. Elaine McInnis advised health | :38:28. | :38:53. | |
watchdog NICE about their guidelines Three years on, she says | :38:54. | :38:55. | |
there's a concern parents are not being truthful, | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
and the guidelines on how to do it They would go as far as to say | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
that they are scared that they would be told | :39:02. | :39:12. | |
they are a bad mother and have their children | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
taken away from them, 13 months later, Dawn had | :39:16. | :39:17. | |
another baby, called Faye. Anyone can get a leaflet with | :39:18. | :39:37. | |
guidelines, but putting a face to it, it is still tearing families | :39:38. | :39:47. | |
apart. Poppy says my son could have died | :39:48. | :39:54. | |
when co-sleeping between my husband and I. I woke to find him very hot | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
and red. This is from a doctor, I resuscitated babies in the emergency | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
department. I co slept with my first daughter because she would never | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
sleep in her crib. She would sleep on my chest and owicationly under | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
covers breaking every rule. It was never my intention, just the result | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
of exhaustion. It was clearly risky and I once found her under the | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
covers on her head in a position that could have compromised her | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
airway and breathing, fortunately she was OK. Now, with my second | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
child, every night, I'm adamant she will stay in her crib, but | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
exhaustion often gets the better of me and she is frequently sleeping on | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
me by the morning. Mothers need advice and support, not to feel | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
judged and scared to talk to their health visitor. | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
Let's talk to Alison Walsingham a mum of two who shares her bed each | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
night with both her eight-month-old and her four-year-old. | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
Let's talk to Alison Walsingham a mum of two who shares her bed each | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
night with both her eight-month-old and her four-year-old. | :40:54. | :40:55. | |
Elaine McInnes who advised the health watchdog NICE | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
Let's talk to Alison Walsingham a mum of two who shares her bed each | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
Tell us why you sleep with your eight-month-old and four-year-old | :41:04. | :41:12. | |
children? I would class myself as a lazy parent in that I don't want to | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
have to get out of bed to feed my child. I found with my son | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
especially when I tried to put him in the cot, he was distraught. And | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
the only time he was happy was when he was in the bed next to me. So for | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
me, it made logical sense to have him in my bed with me. With my | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
daughter, that was just the way we did things. How do you sort the room | :41:36. | :41:44. | |
out? My other half as a full-time job. He doesn't want to be woken up | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
by the baby feeding or being kicked. I have the children either side of | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
me. At no point would the children be allowed to be in the bed on their | :41:55. | :41:57. | |
own. And you have a duvet and sheets. Where are the pillows? My | :41:58. | :42:04. | |
son who is four shares a duvet, but the eight-month-old has her own | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
blanket and no pillows. It is almost like two separate beds, but they're | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
together, the beds on the floor so they can't roll out and... Dud feel | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
judged? Absolutely. Do you? I feel that with most of my parenting and I | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
work with a lot of parents who talk about sleep problems with children | :42:25. | :42:26. | |
and how sleep would be so much easier if they could bring their | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
baby into their bed with them, but they can't because you get the | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
usual, oh you'll never get your baby out of your bed or you're going to | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
kill your baby if you bring them into the bed. So people do judge you | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
because it is not seen as a society norm. | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
Even though we are all doing it. We're not all doing t are we? There | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
is a proportion that are doing it, as your e-mails have said, you know, | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
it might not be purposely, but at some point most parents have shared | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
their bed with their child. Elaine, what's the advice to parents? The | :43:04. | :43:14. | |
advice to parents is, the lullaby guidelines. So for the six months of | :43:15. | :43:24. | |
baby's life they sleep in their own cot on their back in your room. | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
There is 700,000 babies born aier and half of them, half of them, | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
will, whether it is intentionally or non intentionally have co slept with | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
one or both parents within the first three months. Is that safe? There is | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
associated risks and that's what the NICE, the update of the guidelines | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
three years ago through extensive evidence, looking at the evidence | :43:52. | :43:58. | |
base, they found no direct correlation between co-sleeping and | :43:59. | :44:07. | |
SIDs, but there was associated risks which if parents are smoking, | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
drinking, drug tacking, and the baby is premature, or the baby is | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
premature, it could be any one of those four points, a premature baby | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
is a baby born before 37 weeks of pregnancy. | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
Have you lied to a medical professional or a health visitor | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
about the fact that you sleep in the same bed with your children? I did | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
with my first. I was convinced if I was honest that they would take my | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
baby away. Really? The fear that you have when you're sat in front of a | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
health visitor and they are saying, "Where does your baby sleep?" When | :44:46. | :44:55. | |
you say they sleep in a cot. No one said, "Oh you're bed sharing, would | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
you like to do this safely?" With my daughter I was aware of how to do it | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
safely I was confident in my decision to say, yes, I share a bed | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
with my children and di-it safely and I'm fully aware of the risks and | :45:09. | :45:15. | |
how to prevent those risks. Jenny, how do you react to what Alison | :45:16. | :45:24. | |
does? We have got clear guidance that's there and health | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
professionals have a good discussion with points and you have taken a | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
really informed decision which is absolutely what all of us want to | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
happen. We don't want anyone to be lying to health professionals. They | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
know the advice that's out there, what we want parents to be doing is | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
to realise that you are not a safe bed sharer is 100% of the time. You | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
can have it really the safest way that you can do that co-sleeping and | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
then that night you have a glass of wine, suddenly you are in the high | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
ricks situation and everybody agrees the baby should not be in the bed | :45:55. | :46:03. | |
Are you saying it is OK for people like Alison to co-sleep, because she | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
has made an informed decision? We are saying it is her choice to make | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
that. We will always say the safest places in the cot in the room. Want | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
the babies to be close. But if you are aware of those risks and | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
minimise them as them as much as possible then that is your decision. | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
It is a slight increased risk, but if you take out all of those | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
high-risk factors, it is a small risk. I was just cant say that we | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
missed the point there are associated risks, no matter how your | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
baby sleeps, even if baby sleeps in a cot. They are put down the runway | :46:38. | :46:44. | |
there is a risk for them having SIDS in a cot. There is not anything that | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
is risk-free. There is no way of your baby sleeping risk-free. Every | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
night whether you put your baby in a cot or next to you, you put your | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
fingers crossed and hope that you make it through the night. But you | :46:57. | :47:03. | |
remove the risk. Exactly. Of having had that glass of wine if the baby | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
is in the crib. I suppose there might be fewer risks? There are | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
fewer risks. They estimate half of SIDS are associated with co-sleeping | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
and of those that 90% are co-sleeping with high risks. Angela | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
says I am a health visitor who has been shared since birth, now seven | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
months at work I always inform parents of the safe sleep | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
guidelines. Ashley, I co-slept with my daughter, we had no duvet just a | :47:33. | :47:43. | |
blanket. Responses are that the health visitors help, I think they | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
push more stress on to you, explaining your child could die due | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
to co-sleeping. Perhaps they should explain the percentage to first-time | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
parents. Elaine, have you come across anecdotal evidence that | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
parents lie about the fact they sleep in the same bed? Absolutely, | :48:00. | :48:05. | |
anecdotal evidence from other health visitors and parents too. Exactly as | :48:06. | :48:12. | |
Alison said, there is still a stigma in this day and age that parents | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
think we will take babies away, we will judge them, they will be bad | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
parents. Actually, health visitors are the only service in the lives of | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
every single parent in this country who has a baby, has a health | :48:25. | :48:31. | |
visitor, Alliance to them. So that is a key person for five years | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
potentially they can build a really good relationship with, and building | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
a trusting relationship with your health visitor means that you should | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
be able to have those open and honest discussions and not feel | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
judged. Question, which I know you will have been asked a million times | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
but I am really interested, your husband is in a separate room, at | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
what point do you wean your children into their own beds? When they are | :48:55. | :49:01. | |
ready. Eight, ten? I will say when my son is 18 he will not want to | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
share a bed with me but if he is eight or ten and that makes | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
uncomfortable. Does it impact on your relationship with your husband? | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
I wouldn't say that when I have a new baby, clearly not! It is about | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
being a bit more imaginative with your relationship. It is about | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
putting your children first, but you can find ways to be intimate with | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
your partner, you don't have to be in a bedroom where your children are | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
sleeping. It is just one of those things that people assume if you | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
have your baby in your bed then you can't be intimate with your partner, | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
which is completely untrue. Thank you for being so honest, I was not | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
expecting you to be as honest as you have, but I really appreciate it, | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
because I know people will be thinking what is the deal? That's | :49:47. | :49:53. | |
all right. If people are confused at all, where can they go to look for | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
the latest up-to-date advice? There is loads on the Lullaby trust's | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
website, we have a helpline if you have any particular concerns but | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
also speak to the health visitors. The vast majority now this advice | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
and want to have honest discussions with parents and make sure they are | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
aware of risks, and have made that informed decision. Engage, and there | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
are lots of us out willing to do that. Thank you all very much, thank | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
you for coming on the programme. If you have been affected by any of the | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
issues we have talked about from our film, there are details of | :50:29. | :50:30. | |
organisations that can help. PMQs first and then the reason gets | :50:31. | :50:48. | |
up and makes her address to her colleagues about the letter she has | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
written, which the process of Britain leaving the European Union. | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
Don says we voted to leave without knowing the possible outcome. Just | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
accept the consequences and move on because what is done is done. Voted | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
remain but so sick of the squabbling. No one knows what will | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
happen post-Brexit, not even the politicians. Stephen said I voted | :51:10. | :51:12. | |
remain, I can't believe this government is going forward with | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
such a small majority towards a catastrophe that would leave Britain | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
as a cold, damp, overcrowded island on the edge of Europe with no close | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
friends. We were cold and damp in Europe, we will continue to be cold | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
and that once we leave the European Union! | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
Next - this really is an incredible story. | :51:32. | :51:33. | |
A paralysed man has been able to feed himself | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
by using his thoughts to send messages from implants | :51:36. | :51:37. | |
53-year-old Bill Kochevar, who's from Ohio in the States, | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
It the first time anyone with complete paralysis has ever | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
been able to restore brain-controlled | :51:49. | :51:49. | |
I remember up to the accident and then after that, | :51:50. | :52:16. | |
I was following a mail truck and I was keeping my distance pretty | :52:17. | :52:30. | |
good, but then it stopped to deliver a package. | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
I ran right into the back of the mail truck. | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
People have to do stuff for me that I can't do myself. | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
They have to turn me every two hours. | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
If I want water, they have to give me water. | :52:43. | :52:44. | |
This research has enhanced my ability to be able to do things. | :52:45. | :52:55. | |
The participant also uses a mobile arm support | :52:56. | :52:57. | |
to support his arm against gravity, but that mobile arm support | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
is also under cord control meaning by thinking about, | :53:02. | :53:03. | |
he causes mobile arm support to raise and lower his shoulder. | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
I'm still wild every time I do something amazing. | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
One day they had some mashed potatoes and lo and behold | :53:13. | :53:22. | |
I was able to eat the mashed potatoes really well. | :53:23. | :53:44. | |
Raquel Siganporia is a paraplegic and speaks | :53:45. | :53:46. | |
Professor Kevin Warrick is from the University of Reading | :53:47. | :53:53. | |
He was the first person to have a similar implant, is this right? Yes, | :53:54. | :54:08. | |
in an experiment 15 years ago back in Reading, and it was very | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
successful. I had it in my peripheral nervous system to show | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
what was possible. Explain how it works, then? In this case, someone | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
who is paralysed through an injury, they have a break in the nervous | :54:22. | :54:23. | |
system, but they still have the thoughts about moving in their motor | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
cortex, in their brain. So the implant consists of a bunch of | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
electrodes, it looks a bit like a very small hairbrush, fired into | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
that part of the brain, so that when they think about moving, the | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
electrodes pick up those signals, and they transmit them via a | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
computer to electrodes in the nervous system. So it is like | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
rewiring the nervous system over the break that was caused by the | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
accident. We are showing pictures of it now. Raquel, how do you react to | :54:54. | :55:00. | |
this? I mean, it is fascinating, isn't it, to think how far | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
technology has come, that you can move your arm, which through thought | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
control alone, it is a bit mind-boggling. But it is one person, | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
or very few people who do benefit from this. It is about being | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
cautious. No one can go out tomorrow and get it ruled out. For the 1200 | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
people that get it -- get it real doubt. As a trustee for the spinal | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
injuries Association, we want to help people who have become | :55:31. | :55:32. | |
paralysed, and if this technology can take off and be real doubt | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
nationally, that would be amazing for everyone. How does your | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
organisation help people? We support people from the moment they first | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
become injured by going in, giving support to both the person who was | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
injured but also their families because it is their family mothers | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
who have to pick up the pieces at the very early stages. It is about | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
guiding them through what they can expect, this is what your injury | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
means, this is how you can still work, how you can get benefits if | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
you knew the benefits to support you in those early stages. And this is | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
how you rebuild your life. We are here, you can use us as much or as | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
little as you want but we are your port of call until whenever you need | :56:15. | :56:21. | |
us. But there will be people who have become paralysed two will see | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
this story, and will say I need what he has got. Absolutely, and there is | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
nothing more devastating, I have a client who was 15 when she became | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
paralysed and she can't move her arms, she can't put her make-up on, | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
she can't put keys through the doors. I can't begin to imagine the | :56:39. | :56:46. | |
level of independence taken away from you when you can't do something | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
as simple or basic as putting eyeliner on. For people like her, | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
she will want to watch this and see what can we do to get it rolled out | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
to benefit? Professor Warwick, what are the chances of it being -- | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
Professor Warrick, what are the chances of it being rolled out? It | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
is very experimental at this stage, it was 15 years ago would the first | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
experiments with this and it is already taking a look longer than it | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
should do and it hurts me when I see people who are paralysed and they | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
can't do things knowing that the technology is there that can help | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
them. It is a case of money and research to make it happen. How many | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
more years do you think? It is how much money. It could be a whole load | :57:37. | :57:44. | |
of people, the technology works. This is the latest experiment. A | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
year ago, there was another man who had signals passed to the outside, | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
to stimulate the outside of his arm. Now this is another step forward but | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
particularly for hand movement, like movements are a bit more difficult | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
because the legs have to support the body, so they need extra power | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
requirements. But for our movements, we can see what is possible from | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
this latest experiment. Thank you very much -- arm movements. | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
Thank you both. Thank you very much for your company today. Stay with | :58:14. | :58:27. | |
BBC News for coverage of the triggering of Article 50 at about 20 | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
past 12 this lunchtime. | :58:31. | :58:32. |