30/03/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Taking back powers from Europe; we'll ask which European laws

will the Government keep after Brexit, which ones will go,

And as the insurance market, Lloyds of London, says it's setting

up a base in Brussels, we'll ask if more big

Also this morning, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

and Prince Harry release a series of films of celebrities

Here in Westminster, we'll discuss the great repeal bill.

Also this morning, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

and Prince Harry release a series of films of celebrities

talking about mental health for their Heads Together campaign.

If I start talking about problems, one, the people who followed me

through my career, they're going to turn their backs on me because they

think I'm one thing, everyone's going to think of me differently.

Did that happen? No, it was the complete opposite!

The campaign urges people to open up to a friend or colleague; we'll

speak to people who've done exactly that.

And, as new guidelines on sugar in food are published we'll talk

to industry insiders about how manufacturers are juggling

the pressure to make products more healthy without losing sales.

Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

Imagine you finally get a statue, and it looks like that!

It's a new statue of Cristiano Ronaldo which has been

unveiled on the Portuguese island of Madeira.

He's putting a brave face on it, but if you were him,

His fans on social media have been less than complimentary!

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

According to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, and Prince Harry, they

believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to talking about

mental health. Do you think the stigma is finally being broken down

or not, let me know. We'll talk a lot about it after 9. 30.

Plans to repatriate powers from the European Union will be

published today in a draft of what's known as The Great Repeal Bill.

Having formally triggered Brexit, ministers are promising

a smooth transition, with the incorporation

of thousands of pieces of EU law into UK legislation.

But this morning the insurance market, Lloyds of London,

said it's setting up a base in Brussels - to maintain a presence

Our political correspondent, Eleanor Garnier, reports.

Cometh the hour, cometh the moment, in Westminster, Belfast,

Edinburgh and Cardiff - the exact moment the UK took

This is an historic moment from which there is no turning back.

The letter, hand-delivered by our man in Brussels, telling

Written in a deliberately conciliatory tone.

But a hint, too, of the steel in Mrs May's stance.

No overt threat to walk away, but a serious warning,

as she wrote "a failure to reach an agreement would mean our

cooperation in the fight against crime and terrorism

We must therefore work hard to avoid that outcome."

A sentence that certainly raised eyebrows, here,

But despite all the difficulties, Mrs May promised our relationship

with the rest of the continent will be just as good after Brexit.

What we are both looking for is that comprehensive trade agreement,

which gives that ability to trade freely into the European

And for them, and for them to trade with us.

It would be a different relationship, but I think it can

have the same benefits in terms of that free access to trade.

Labour insisted it would hold the government

More than ever, Britain needs a government that will deliver

for the whole country, not just the few.

And that is the ultimate test of the Brexit deal

that the Prime Minister must now secure.

Two years to untangle a 40-year relationship,

to unpick all the interwoven regulations and legislation.

That task starts today, with more detail from the government

on how it plans to bring EU powers back to Westminster.

Eleanor Garnier, BBC News, Westminster.

Our Political Guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.

Why are Lloyds of London setting up a base in Brussels? To keep their

options open like a lot of big financial institutions. They want to

see how the negotiations pan out. The real concern is that the sort of

deal they have at the moment where we have so-called passporting rites

which basically means they can sell their services across the EU with no

additional complications, administrative burdens and so on,

that might go out the window and any new EU deal, for that it could mean

a massive headache. So new bases are being set up in Europe in case

things go spectacularly wrong. It chimes with what we know is a good

deal of nervousness in the City about how all this might shape up.

JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, they may possibly have to redeploy thousands

of people in the EU rather than keeping them in Britain. One thing

to say in the letter yesterday which Mrs May sent to the President of the

European Council, Don add tusk, she specifically talks about the

financial sector and what she referred to as network industries --

Donald Tusk. They seem to be moving towards a special deal for the City

and other key industries to make sure that they are not too damaged

or hurt and there's not too much change following Brexit. And this

job of importing thousands and thousands of EU laws, enshrining

them in British law, that is massive isn't it? It's huge. I kind of think

of it about being dropped in the Borneo jungle and having to hack

your way through lots of legislative paperwork. We have got 40 years, 40

years! 40 years of EU rules and regulations which we have got to

translate basically into British law. I heard someone say it was

something like 80,000 different pieces of legislation. That is

colossal. What does that mean? There's not going to be much time

for the Government to do anything else but Brexit. Interestingly, we

heard from the man who was going to be in charge of procedure in the

Commons, the clerk of the Commons, this morning say, this won't take

two years, it could go on for a decade, in other words, for many,

many years after we have even left the European Union.

Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

A privately-owned helicopter with five people on board has

The aircraft is believed to have been travelling

from Milton Keynes to Dublin, via Caernarfon Bay.

A land search is underway but the aerial search had to be

The weather conditions have not improved and the coastguard can't

continue the search until the weather does improve. The aircraft

is privately owned. There were five individuals on board. It was

destined to arrive in Dublin but it left Milton Keynes yesterday morning

shortly before midday. It was due to stop here at can air van Airport. It

did not arrive. Communications were lost. It went missing from the

radar. The coastguard was alerted immediately -- Caernarfon. The

operation yesterday involved two coastguard helicopters that searched

across North Wales right through to Dublin via land and sea, and

unfortunately, due to the weather conditions, that had to be called

off late last night. Now, the search operation was continued on land by

North Wales police. They've introduced Mountain Rescue Teams, to

seem the land, and that is continuing this morning. We don't

know a great deal about these five individuals, we know that it was a

red helicopter. Members of the public have been asked to dial 999

if they saw that helicopter at any point yesterday afternoon in the

area. Now, the search should be continuing this morning. Time is of

the essence. The coastguard will not allow that search to resume unless

these weather conditions improve significantly in the next few hours.

New guidelines for the amount of sugar that should be in everyday

foods from breakfast cereals to chocolate bars have been

The aim is to cut the amount of sugar children consume by 20%

Our Health Correspondent, Jane Dreaper has the details.

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry have released

a series of films as part of their Heads Together campaign

designed to encourage people to talk about mental health.

The project aims to help end the stigma around mental health.

The former England cricket captain Andrew Flintoff

and the rapper Professor Green, were among the celebrities who've

The hardest thing for me was initially talking. We don't talk,

I'm from the north of England, a working class family, we don't talk

about our feelings. It was no different for me growing up in a

council estate in East London, it was not something you spoke about.

And Victoria will be speaking to some of the people

featured in the new campaign in a few minutes time.

There's been a big increase in the number of cases of child

sexual exploitation in Greater Manchester.

A report by the Stockport MP, Ann Coffey, says more

than 1700 children have been identified some of them victims,

The figure is four times higher than when the last report

A federal judge in the US state of Hawaii has extended

the suspension of President Trump's travel ban for an indefinite period.

It means Mr Trump will be barred from enforcing his revised ban

on six mostly Muslim states while it is contested in court.

Organisers of the Oscars say they will continue to work

with the accountancy firm, PwC, despite the mistake which led

to "La La Land" being wrongly announced as the winner

of Best Picture, instead of Moonlight.

This is the moment Hollywood realised someone hadn't

followed the script at the ceremony last month.

To make sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year,

there will be an extra accountant on hand, and electronic devices

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9.30.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

We'd be really interested if you could share with us the first

conversation you had with us when realising you had problems. Let me

know about the very first conversation you had and we'll share

those with the nation this morning if that's OK with you. You don't

have to give me your name if you don't want to, it's fine if you

prefer to be anonymous. Sport now with Jess. Jo Pavey gets

the medal she's been craving? Yes, and sadly it comes ten years after

the fact. This centred around the 2007 World Championships when the

distance runner finished fourth but because the Turkish athlete that

finished third in the bronze position was found to have failed a

drugs test in competition, retrospectively after her sample was

retested, so that means Pavey has been upgraded to the bronze medal.

You see her after that race, she was exhausted. She crossed the line in

fourth. She was flat on her back and felt she'd let everyone down because

she was out of the medals. Pavey says that athletes who're found to

have doped should have all the results wiped from the records and

that would be the biggest deterrent against doping. From that

experience, Pavey has admitted that she changed her race tactics. What

was to be the biggest result of her career she says is now bitter sweet

because she missed out on her moment on the podium.

Football transfer speculation around, including about Arsenal's

Alexi Sanchez? Yes, interesting quotes coming from the Arsenal star

who's been speaking at an event in Chile. He says he's happy in London,

he hopes to finish his contract at Arsenal, but he wants to be with a

team that has winning mentality. Now, if you take a lack at Arsenal's

form, it's not very good at the moment. They've fallen down to sixth

in the Premier League, four defeats in the last five games. Not sure

that suggests they have a winning mentality at the moment, so they may

well struggle to hold on to the top goal-scorer. We know Sanchez's

contract negotiations are on hold until the summer. Interestingly,

Arsene Wenger has a press conference this morning so we may well get an

update on that or at least some reaction to what Sanchez as said.

Also reaction to Arsene Wenger's future. He said he knows what he

wants to do about his future, we are waiting for him to tell us what it

is. An update on that later this morning. And this statue of

Cristiano Ronaldo, the reaction continues to give us food for

thought? It's been funny on social media. How many people get an

airport named after them. But that's not what's causing the headlines,

it's this statue. So this bust was made in his honour and it's supposed

to look like him. I don't know what you think, but I'm not convinced it

looks anything like him. We have had funny reaction from the world of

social media. Presenter Dan Walker tweeted this: We've had a few other

look-alikes that maybe look like the Bust. How about Mr Incredible, what

do you think? Perfect! Brilliant. That's all the sport, more later.

At least 20% less sugar in biscuits, chocolate bars

and breakfast cereals by 2020 - that's the challenge to the food

and drink industry from health officials in an attempt to reduce

child obesity, which they describe as an "urgent problem".

A number of food manufacturers have already pledged to cut sugar in

their foods. But Public Health England

say things like cakes, yogurts and even some bakery

products such as croissants and croissants are just some

of the products that They say sugar content

can be reduced by... encouraging people to buy low-

or no-sugar alternatives, or changing the recipes

of products to cut down sugar. But alarmingly, even if sugar levels

were reduced by a fifth, youngsters would still be exceeding

the recommended daily A third of children

going to secondary school The group that represents food

and drink manufacturers says they are listening to calls

to reduce sugar in products. We've been reducing salt -

now we're focusing more on sugar. The industry understands

that consumers want more options, and they

are providing them. They are changing

the recipe of products. It's something that's

going to have to be done quite gradually, but it's something that's

going to make a real Particularly for those products

where it's not possible to substitute the sugar,

we are going to see things get smaller, and it's right that

Public Health England are out there today saying to people,

you need to expect that this Obesity, childhood obesity

particularly, is a really serious We've got to tackle it,

and one of the consequences is that we're going to see the recipes of

favourite products change gradually, and we're going to see some

of our favourite products get a bit We can now speak to food sociologist

and advisor at Action on Sugar Professor Jack Winkler,

food consultant Jane Milton, nutritionist Azmina Govinji,

and food taster Jennifer Earle. Health bosses want children

to consume 20% less sugar by 2020. We eat too much? Yes. Yes. It is not

going to be compulsory. That makes it better. Why? Because you don't

have to go through the whole extended legal wrangle of getting

everybody to agree and put it in law. What if they don't do it? They

will do it, though. Manufacturers want to produce proof that people

want to buy, otherwise they would go out of business. If people want food

that has less sugar in it, they will find ways to do that. Do people want

to have foods which are less sugary? We have brought our children up to

enjoy sugary foods, so I think it is a wider issue. There is an emphasis

on the manufacturer, but also, labelling, marketing, enabling

parents to make healthy choices. But I think people know they should be

having less sugar but it is very hard to know. There is too much

information, so if we can make the manufacturers have less sugar, then

at least those choices, they will automatically be reducing the sugar

in their diet. A lot of companies are doing that already. I think

also, you have to understand what sugar does in some things. Sugar

makes chicken dishes that you make at home go brown on top, because you

put a little bit of honey and the source. Or it makes risk it's --

biscuits have a crisp taste. There are roles played by sugar, and we

will have to decide which of those things we are prepared to have

differently, and which we will have less of. Enjoy the things you love,

but have less of it. Exactly, portion size is crucial. I think we

need to target the appropriate foods. If we start targeting chicken

in a sauce... It is pretty much as you would expect, biscuits,

puddings, pastries, ice cream. One of the key points in that whole

document is, they say, focus on the big seven products. If you do that,

then you can have a public health impact. We know that teenagers drink

around 30% of their sugar through soft strings, so that is an easy

way, cut the sugar in soft drinks. I think the unintended consequence of

looking too much at sugar is that we might be demonising food which is

otherwise healthy. A whole-grain breakfast cereal gives you nutrients

and fibre. Yes, we need to reduce the sugar in these so-called kids

cereals, but let's not demonise the food. But there is sugar which has a

purpose, like the Browning or the texture, but then there is sugar

which is added because it is a cheap ingredient. It has been about

reducing the amount of cocoa, adding more sugar, it is only being done

because it is cheap, it does not make the chocolate taste any better.

When you give the kids chocolate which has more cocoa than sugar,

they like it just as much. But it makes the chocolate bar considerably

more expensive. Of course, what they might do is just to make the

chocolate bar smaller. And then buy two of them! Is such a lazy way of

getting around this. It is worse than that. If you make it smaller,

the big issue is that many companies have actually kept the price is the

same, or even raised them. I heard a representative on the radio this

morning, when asked, if you make it smaller, will the price come down?

Well, no, not necessarily. It is a good way to raise prices. There is

always price inflation anyway. If it is chocolate products, cocoa getting

dearer, the prices will go up. But I think although a lot of people have

reformulated soft drinks, people need to change their palate to want

less sugar in their diet. One of the things about switching from sugar to

things like maple syrup or two lower calorie versions of sugar is and

sweeteners, it still makes people want sugary food. And there has to

be a shift to the way we think. Coming out of the Second World War,

people hadn't had that much sugar and they did not have the money to

have it. We are more affluent now so we are able to have more of it. And

so I think we've got to re-educate people. Honey monster puffs, they

have cut the sugar by 41%. They used to be the highest sugar breakfast

cereal. It used to be sugar puffs. Yes, it did. Firstly, they never

said it is lower sugar, and secondly, it took them 25 years to

do it. If we look at assault as the model, we have been really

successful at cutting down the salt over the years, we haven't told the

consumer, but the industry has been fantastic at making these changes.

Bread is much less assaulted and it was ten years ago. And I believe we

can do that with sugar. -- if we look at assault. It is about how

practical it is, and I think this gradual change is what needs to

happen. For the price benefits, we have been trained to expect the

sweetness in our food. Like the salt model, if you reduce the sugar, even

if it is done gradually, change into smaller portions does not change the

core of the problem, that we are addicted to the taste of sugar. What

do you say, Professor, to those who say that because these guidelines

are voluntary for the food and drink industry, and the Government has not

realised how serious the problem is, we have got the sugary drinks levy

being introduced in April, that was from the child obesity plan last

year? We have referred to the most successful policy in Britain since

the Second World War, which was the salt. It was entirely voluntary. The

reason being that they learned from the EU's experience. For decades,

the European Union tried to harmonise, as they call it, food

composition laws, and never got a single one done, because everybody

was defending the way they did it in their country, or their brand.

Voluntary guidelines, at least you can act on them quickly. And the

industry does want to make food that people want to buy. So if there is

demand for it, and that is what we saw with salt, people wanted that to

happen just I also think traffic lighting on products, which makes it

easier to see the composition, will mean that they will not be adding

things which would be dapper mental, according to the traffic light

signals. Thank you all of you. The mother of a man believed

to have left the country after a four-year-old girl

was killed by a car has pleaded Violet Grace Youens died

after being struck by a stolen vehicle while walking

through St Helens, Police are trying to trace 23

year old Aidan McAteer, who is believed to have left

the country hours after the crash. I'm joined by our

correspondent Lisa Hampele. I stolen black Ford Fiesta hit

four-year-old Violet as she was walking in St Helens with her

grandmother. That was on Friday and she died in hospital the next stage

of her grandmother is now in a stable condition in hospital,

serious but stable. We know that Merseyside Police released CCTV

images of two men fleeing the scene shortly afterwards. And there is an

image of a man that they want to trace. What happened is that Alicia

McAteer recognised her son, 23-year-old Aiden McGeady, and she

recognised the picture and she now says that she wants him to come

forward. What I'm feeling is dreadful. But I wake up and the

first thought is that family. And Aidan coming home is not going to

make it better, nothing is ever going to make it better for that

family. But maybe they could get a bit of relief, knowing that the

police have got him. Aidan knows how much I love him. And I know how much

he loves me. We can do this together. No-one else. I will get

him through this, with every last breath I've got, I will get him

through it. I'm not condoning anything, but what has happened has

happened, with him. And obviously, this family have got an horrific

time, an horrific life... She was a little girl, and never going to get

over that, ever. But if you come home, wherever he is, I will be

there every step of the way with him. So that was the mother of Aidan

McAteer. And this is the little girl who lost her life. What has her mum

said? Well, she has posted a message on Facebook Thomas Aiken, my

beautiful little girl has passed away in my arms. She says, though

she is heartbroken, she is very proud because her daughter was able

to donate some of her organs. There has been a court appearance, another

man has appeared before Liverpool Magistrate's Court, Dean Brennan,

charged with theft of a motor vehicle and assisting an offender.

And also a third man was arrested on suspicion of being, carrying a

stolen vehicle, but he has been released pending further enquiries.

Still to come: The high profile campaign to get us talking about

mental health. I came here and interviewed a person with depression

and I could see the person with depression looking at me and

thinking, you are way sicker than I am.

Plans to repatriate over 40 years worth of powers

from the European Union will start this morning with the publication

The Government paper intends to convert thousands of EU

House of Commons officials have described the process as one

of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.

David Davis explained how it would work. What it does is, 40 years of

European law, transfer that into UK law. It's not a straightforward

process but it is a limited process. We have to do that in a way that

works, so all the law works. That means when we start on the new trade

deal, we are many the same place as every other country in Europe. After

that, we'll have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other

things. That will be done substantially by Parliament.

There'll be a number of such laws I think. Parliament will make those

decisions. This is a big transformation. We shouldn't

underestimate that we've got a task to do. It's moment us to but it's

not beyond us. The Insurance Market,

Lloyd's of London, says it will open a new subsidiary in Brussels

in early 2019 because of It's concerned that once the UK has

left the EU it will lose the right to sell its products

across the single market. The Chief Executive said customers

shouldn't be worried about the move. Nothing to worry about. In fact it

helps secure the future of Lloyds. About 5% of our business is impacted

by the UK coming out of the EU and we want to be able to provide

continuous coverage and continue to issue insurance policies for

customers based in the EU hence the need to set up an EU subsidiary.

A privately-owned helicopter with five people on board has

The aircraft is believed to have been travelling

from Milton Keynes to Dublin, via Caernarfon Bay.

A land search is under way but the aerial search had to be

Health officials have published guidelines on the limits of sugar

they believe should be put on foods. It aims to cut the sugar consumed by

children by 20% this decade. Children consume three times more

sugar each day than they should, putting them at risk of serious

illnesses. More from me at 10. Thank you very much for your messages.

This tweet from Nina. When my partner showed he was

non-judgmental, understanding and saw me as a person, not as my eating

disorder, I was able to talk. And this from Simon, I left my mental

health conversation for nearly two decades too long but when I did, my

life began to improve immediately. I've got many more, keep them coming

in. I'm going to read quite a lot of them in the next half hour when we

talk about this. Before that, here is the sport.

Arsene Wenger refused to confirm whether he'll remain as Arsenal

Speaking at a press conference ahead of this weekend's match

against Manchester City, Wenger said he could be at the club

Britain's Jo Pavey says it's a bittersweet feeling to receive

a bronze medal from the 10,000 metres world championships in Japan

She's been upgraded after the athlete who took

the silver medal was retrospectively disqualified for doping.

Johanna Konta is into the semi finals of the Miami Open

after beating Simona Halep in three sets.

She'll face Venus Williams next in the last four, overnight.

And Manchester City's women take a one nil aggregate lead

into their Champions League quarter final second leg at home to Danish

It's City's first season in the competition.

How do you shatter the stigma around mental health?

One way is to simply talk about it according to the Duke and Duchess

of Cambridge and Prince Harry who've released a series of films as part

of their Heads Together mental health campaign.

We're going to talk to some of the people featured in those

films in just a moment; they're here in the studio talking

about the conversations they had with friends,

loved ones, and relatives about their own mental health

issues; but first here's one of the films commissioned

by the Royals, featuring former England cricketer Andrew Flintoff

I think I was born with anxiety. I was brought up by my grandmother, my

mum was 16 when I was born, my mum was the first person to leave when I

was a year old. I was 24 and my dad took his own life and it wasn't

until years later when I did a documentary for the BBC, I had a

conversation with my nan. It's weird this happened for the first time on

camera, but we spoke about it properly. I broke down. I was

petrified. It scared me, people are going to see me at my most

vulnerable in a way that I don't often see myself. But that

conversation changed everything because from that point everything

was out in the open and I was able to then talk to my friends about it

because my friends watched the programme. I knew that something's

not right for a long time. And I ran away from it. This is not me, this

is not happening. I bumbled on for a little bit. Then I started, you

know, living differently. I probably started to drink too much and tried

to escape how I was feeling. Then I did this documentary like you did

and I spoke to Ricky Hatton about this and Neil Lennon and Graham Dot,

the spooker player, I was listening to them identifying and thinking,

I've been through this. Ricky Hatton, actually you've gone through

this, you are one of the hardest people I know and you can talk about

it. I started thinking, if I start talking about problems, one, the

people who followed me through my career, they're going to turn their

backs on me because they think I'm one thing, everyone's going to think

differently. Did that happen? No! It was the complete opposite. It was

like, people come up to me and said, wow, and then they'd start telling

me about how they'd feel. I even had mates that I'd never think about. We

then had different conversations. You have to be honest. Then you have

a conversation with someone and you engage with what you are talking

about, you do unload everything and for me it's never planned, it always

just comes out at a random time but the feeling of relief afterwards...

It does feel like a weight's lifted, doesn't it? Yes. But the hardest

thing for me initially was the hardest thing. I don't talk, I'm

from the north of England, a working class family, we don't talk about

our feelings! Yes, yes, it was no different for me, a council estate

in East London, I'm from, it's not something you spoke about. To me it

seems a shame it's taken us all these years to be open and vocal

about things. It's crazy when it opens up, it just comes from being

vocal. That one time. It's made me a happier person. I have less downs

and more ups with being honest about how I feel. Andrew Flintoff and

Professor Green. Almost half of us have discussed

mental health issues recently, and 8 out of 10 who did,

thought the conversations That's according to a YouGov

survey for Heads Together. Opening up to someone for the first

time about a mental health issue Once that conversation

starts, it could be Let's talk to six people

who've taken that step. Paramedic Dan Farnworth

and his colleague Rich Morton, friends Anni Ferguson

and Naa-Affie Delalande-Zankor and husband and wife,

Julie and Phil Eaglesham. And jst to say our conversations

this morning are going to be frank open and you might find

some details upsetting. Welcome all of you. Thank you so

much for coming on the programme. Dan, what were the warning signs

that something was wrong? For me, it was probably a six-month period of

slow decline. It related to flashbacks from a traumatic incident

that we attended at work which was ultimately the murder of a child

which for anybody would be really difficult to contend and deal with.

But for me, I was having vivid flashbacks, I was having nightmares.

During the day I'd find myself sat there, the TV would be on, I would

be staring at the wall, I wouldn't be talking to anybody, I'd just be

thinking about what had happened. I felt myself slowly getting into a

deeper and darker hole. It got to the point where I felt the world was

passing by above my head. That's where you came in really and the

conversation started. I knew I needed help. I was really scared of

opening up and talking about mental health. I was scared that that would

mean I couldn't do my job any more which is absolutely not the case. I

was scared to open up to my wife, I was scared that she'd think it was a

sign of weakness, you know, how can our men be like that, we are there

to drive everything forward and support the family, how can I admit

there was a problem. So I sent you a text didn't I mate and it developed

from there. You eventually wrote a text, deleted it, wrote it again,

deleted it and it was the third time I think... It was scary. Then you

shoved your phone under the pillow because you didn't know what the

response would be? I was scared. I was admitting for the first time to

somebody that I had an issue, that I needed help. And Rich, what was your

response? I'll come round, have a chat, but it was quite a big deal

for me to get back to you and think about what I'm going to expect when

I get there and what to say to you. So I maybe seen a difference at

work, change in appearance and mood. Normally laughing and joking, but he

went reclusive. I knew something was up because we'd been good friends

for about six-and-a-half years. To actually go round there, I was quite

anxious myself, how do I instigate this conversation. But for me it was

just listen. I know that my feelings weren't, or my anxiety was nowhere

near as much as Dan would be feeling at that time. What did you say to

him? I opened up. It was the hardest conversation I've ever had. But as

soon as Rich arrived at the door, I felt like the weight of the world

was instantly lifted. The relief I already felt before I started

speaking and the funny thing is, I already knew what I had to do, I

just needed somebody to tell me that what I wanted to do was the right

thing and to be there to support me. That was all it took. It changed

everything. Honestly, it was the first day of the rest of my life

talking to Rich about my problems. It's a conundrum, but when we talk

about this, you know, two heads are better than one when it comes to

mental health and this's absolutely the case and it's so true.

Definitely. Wow. I mean, it's really powerful just hearing you two recall

that time and how you say that was the kind of start of the change just

taking that step. Annie, hello. Hi. You were on what should have been a

really fantastic girls holiday in Barcelona. Yes. Tell me what

happened on the beach? Well, Barcelona is my favourite city and

we'd had such a great day, our first day there. We'd had a lot of great

food and a few drinks and it was a couple of hours before the sun set

so we went down to the sun loungers. All of a sudden, I just kind of

crashed and I felt that familiar kind of dark cloud come over me. I

was really frustrated. All our friends were having a good time and

I felt like, why can't I have a good time, why is this happening again,

I'd kind of run away from London so that, you know, I'd be in my

favourite city and be happy. Sometimes I felt like, you know, I

could lose friendships or I was behaving Strangly because I hadn't

expressd to anybody about how I felt and how I saw the world a lot.

That's when I decided to just go to Naaffi and have a conversation with

her about how I was feeling. What did you say? I recognised the signs

having been through something similar myself. I recognised she was

depressed. This time she was owning it, she was the one saying, this is

my last resort, I need to get this off my chest and express how I feel.

So it was firstly I felt honoured that she had that trust in me to

confide in me, then it was just helping and guiding her and letting

her know that you weren't alone, that you've got your friends, your

support network with your family or whoever. But just really to have

that support and actually say to her, what you're feeling at this

moment in time is yours. What was the first thing you said because

people don't know how to express it sometimes. What did you actually

say? I just said I wasn't having a good time, I apologised for bringing

the mood down. I said, I need help, how can I not be having a good time

here. Remained me Rich, of the words tonne text? Can you come round, I

need a chat. Simple as that? It was so simple. Put the kettle on, I'm on

my way, and the relief was unbelievable. It's just taking that

step. It really was the most difficult step to take. But the best

step you ever will take. OK. We are going to hear from Phil and Julie in

a moment and Cooper the dog can make another appearance:th. I want you

all to take a look at this film, Ruby Wax and her husband, Ed. They

talk about the moment when she told him about the state of her mental

health. Secondly that I have been married

twice before. And thirdly, that I was mentally ill. Which one was the

head bash? All three Cilic was like a concussive blow. You can imagine a

grenade went off, and then it had sudden... Then I started laughing.

You laughed. And then I signed the register, best wishes, Ruby wax! And

then we never mentioned it again. No, not really. Did it ever scare

you that I had said that? It wasn't a huge surprise. But it sort of does

things like,, yeah, that might explain this or that. This was when

I knew that you were the best news ever, I had to interview somebody

who was mentally ill in a hospital. Everybody in the institution said,

are you insane? They all cheered me as I left, and then I came here and

interviewed a person with depression. And I could see the

person with depression looking at me and thinking, you are away sick than

I am! And then everybody clapped. Whenever you got depression, you

could see there was a sort of panic because of the confusion about what

was happening in your head. If you're close to somebody with

depression, you've got to help them make the first move, to understand

that they are sick. In your case, it is to be amongst people who suffer

the same thing, so they can compare notes and talk to each other and

support each other. I have seen you talk to other people who have

depression, it is kind of like a unique club. I'm only relieved,

really, when I'm with other people that have mental illness. If I see

the eyes of another, we have this understanding, and that's the

healing. Ruby wax and her husband. Phil I don't think it was your

wedding day when you opened up to Julie, but tell me how can Julie

first discovered you were struggling? I think it went back to

when I had a moment, we were away in Jersey, it was a respite holiday

with the Marines and I started to struggle with being able to get

places, and my disability and being in a wheelchair and things like

that. We ended up coming back and having a family holiday, and Julie

did some research on how I could overdose, or what would be the best

way. And stupidly I probably left it on the iPad and she found it. And

from there, she never let me out of her sight for about six months! I

can't imagine how you would have felt, having seen that your husband

was researching ways to end his life? I was deeply saddened, I was

hurt, I was angry. I thought, how could he contemplate doing something

like this? Did he not think about us? But then it came back to me

realising that he was just thinking about ending the pain he was in, and

struggling to deal with how he was struggling with his own emotions. I

was a different person, really. A completely different person for a

few years, someone I did not even recognise. The things I was saying

didn't make sense to anyone. Like what? I think for that six months

before we actually told someone, I was trying to tell people but not

knowing whether people could understand. Everything I said I

understood in my head but no-one could understand a word. It wasn't

the accent, it was more to do with how I was saying things! Then I

became reclusive, and the more it got worse. Sitting in my seat,

curtains closed, making excuses for everything, just didn't leave the

house. Yes, didn't tell anyone. Julie would hurt herself lifting me

up and I thought I was a burden on her and the kids, not being able to

get on with their life. I thought it would be better at that stage if I

wasn't around. But it's not true. She is stuck with me unfortunately

now. But it was a long period that you wouldn't allow me to tell

anyone. And I think that was through fear of being ashamed. Ashamed, I

thought I was weak. There's that whole stigma around mental health.

If that stigma wasn't there, and what this campaign is trying to do,

I would not have got to that point where I tried to end my life.

Thankfully we've got... Unfortunately, we've got friends and

family who have suffered, and people who are not here today. It is

important to me to get rid of that stigma so that I never go back there

myself, but also my kids and my friends are my family. In the end, I

think you posted on Facebook and you did talk to your best friend, and

then you two had a conversation. Was that the order of it? Yes, I talked

to my best friend at the time, I can't even remember what I said, it

was just, I tried to kill myself. And I think it affected him

massively. This does not affect me, it affects everybody outside of the

family. The next day we told a medical team. I still think we

hadn't talked about it as a Matip was still too difficult to talk to

Julie about. The team recognised I think the symptoms and the warning

signs. But didn't realise how bad Philip had got because he had become

reclusive and wasn't talking to anyone and wasn't letting out how

things truly were. People judge with their eyes, and that is how we live

as a society. We can understand what we see. Because we can't see mental

health, we don't know how people react to it. And that's a big fear.

That it is a physical problem that we are dealing with and getting over

that is very important. We have had some anime messages. I don't

underestimate what it takes for you to talk about this on national

television, and also what it takes for our audience to get in touch and

share their experiences. John says... I had a lady who approached

me as a martial arts instructor, she needed to learn to defend herself

against her ex-husband who was regularly hurting her with beeping

is beatings. She needed help badly. We have now been happily married for

28 years. She still battles her mental health demons and life is not

always easy for her but we love each other more as each day goes by. She

is proof that you can improve your mental health if you take the right

steps and get help. Wow! Pat says this, and this is where you may be

able to help. My 20-year-old granddaughter has been suffering

from depression, night terrors, suicidal thoughts and anxiety. It

started when she was 17. Last year she tried to take her own life.

Apparently part of her treatment is to write a blog. And this went out

yesterday on her Facebook page. We has her grandparents are unsure how

we can help her. Can anyone give us some guidance on doing this? We are

worried and we want to be supported grandparents. What would you say? I

think it's just to be open with her. There is a stigma around the old and

the bold, where we don't talk about it, and it is not an actual fact

that there. But the main thing is, it's not a weakness in anyone. We've

always said, and the people here, dare anyone say that we are weak

now, because the things we have gone through in the past, I am actually

probably a stronger person now than I have ever been. So she will come

out the other end a stronger and better person. So when you say to

Pat, the open with her 20-year-old granddaughter, does that mean

picking up the phone and texting, and saying, do you want to talk to

me, I am here? Yes. I think that blog will be... There will be some

hurtful things in it. Reading that is going to wound whoever loves her.

So I think ultimately what they have to do is read it and not take it as

a criticism, but maybe just turn around and say, OK, we have got the

bigger picture here, we are beginning to understand where she's

coming from, and then offer the support from there. Also, allow her

to say it, because she is not internalising, so allow her to say

whatever is on her mind truly you have to realise as well, you take it

out on your nearest and dearest. I took it out on Julie and my kids.

That was where I was safe to get angry or whatever. So if she gets

angry at her, don't take it personally. It's actually a

condiment because that is who you are more comfortable with. Can I

asked specifically about mental health issues the team it is taboo,

you don't talk about the words depression in your community? Not

really. Why? It seems that mental health issues are an extreme thing.

Especially coming from an African, Ghanaian community, which we both

do, everybody is very supported if, if you say you're depressed or you

have mental health issues, but depression is not necessarily a word

or a concept that we like to use. If you were brought up here, your

parents or a lot of your family struggled back home, and it kind of

seems ungrateful. How can you possibly be depressed in the fifth

richest economy in the world, sort of thing? Yes, what could possibly

be wrong with you? And I think that is a big thing. Also, because most

black people see mental health institutions through coercive means.

Perhaps maybe through prison or through hospital. And because we

don't go early and get help, it kind of escalates. And so, straightaway,

people are sectioned and there's a high amount of the black community

are sectioned. Prince Harry and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to mental health in

this country - do you agree? Absolutely, we have been in a

position where it has been a taboo subject for a long time. I think

ourselves included, who have experienced mental health problems,

can see the benefit of opening up and talking about it. I think now,

the whole of society is starting to recognise the importance of it but

we have got to really keep driving it and keep the conversation going

and let everybody know that it is important to talk. We understand the

power of that, and I think society as a whole is starting to understand

that. It has been really good that the royal foundation is supporting

this. Tipping point might be the accurate phrase, but there are still

some people who do not understand depression, anxiety, that it is a

real thing. This is from Ian, who texted. I am 35, I live in London, I

have had mental health issues for 20 years. I do believe people need to

open up but unfortunately the stigma still exists. I opened up to my boss

and team in a recent role in the City of London. It actually made

them put up barriers, it created silences. I even got the response

from one colleague who said, I don't talk about emotion and things, so

don't expect me to. It is fear. What should they do, find someone else to

talk to? Yes. I'm on my fourth psychologist. It took the fourth

one, I don't know what he done, whether it was voodoo or whatever.

It is not voodoo, we know that! I don't understand it, what that

talking therapy did, but it was the fourth person. And the point is,

don't give up. Let me read some more messages. Darren says, I am a mental

health nurse working for the NHS. Even us professionals don't talk

enough. In February a beautiful colleague of mine aged 23 took her

own life because of mental health problems. Even with all the experts

around her every day and her friends, no-one knew the pain she

was experiencing. We all need to talk more and be open and honest. It

is her funeral tomorrow. I love her and I miss her dearly. Stuart says,

coming to terms with anxiety and depression was not only difficult

for me to understand but after a few years of feeling alone in thinking

that I was weird and different, I decided to speak to my mum and close

friends and they helped me in the right direction. You go through

stages feeling like you are in the dark and there is no way, but

suddenly, there is light and hope. Have to remember that talking helps,

action to help yourself will also help you. Can you relate to that,

the dark and then the light? I think we all put on some kind of disguise,

a smile when people are around. For me, being in the military, I was

always clean-shaven, and my beard became my disguise, so people would

not recognise me and ask me how I was, so I did not have to put a

smile on. I am sure people here have had that as well. The facade you put

on, the act you put on, to relate to everyday life in situations. It is

just that, it is a mask. It's going to crumble, you need to feel it. I

think even more so in our job is in we are there to look after people.

You don't want to have this facade on that you are well yourself. There

is a big thing in the emergency services. The same in the NHS. You

put your uniform on, it is not a cloak of armour, its not going to

stop you being affected by what you're dealing with. Same for the

Armed Forces. It is a taboo, that we think, this will protect us. It

genuinely will not, and that's why we need to start the conversation,

like Darren said, within the health care industry, we all need to start

looking after ourselves, as well as others. Thank you all of you for

coming in. And thanks to Cooper, we would not have known there was a dog

in the studio! What a beautiful animal! Thank you for bringing him

in as well. Thank you all of you. We can bring you the latest weather

now. There is some good news on the

weather front today, and some news that is not so great. We have some

cloud and rain across western parts of the UK. But the other side of the

country is warming up, so, a tale of two halves today. This is the

weather front. Notice these yellow and orange colours, indicating the

temperature, showing that these up and coming from the south is warm.

This is the satellite picture of the cloud and rain that we have observed

over the last few hours. And this is the warm air wafting up from the

south. For today, we're talking about cloudy skies and some rain

across western areas. Starting with Scotland, because this is where the

air is a little bit fresher today. Bits of rain in Northern Ireland. It

is wet across the Lake District. A bit of rain across western Wales and

down into the south-west of England. A large chunk of England, the

weather is not looking bad at all. Quite a big cut-off there between

the warm and the cooler air. Top temperatures today I think, 22

degrees, in London. A very warm day for this time of the year.

him about the state of her mental health.

Tonight a mild night. Into tomorrow, in the morning there'll be some

cloud and rain but it tends to brighten up a little in the

afternoon. I think somewhat fresher tomorrow, typically around 15, 16.

Again, still a bit of cloud and rain across the north and west. Now the

weekend - looking mixed, that is for sure. On Saturday it's a mixture of

sunshine and April showers. We are into April. Then on Sunday, high

pressure builds once again from the south. You can see it's nosing up

from the south. That means the weather will dry out, there'll be

light winds, more sunshine around, not sky high temperatures, but for

most around 15, but just about 17 there in London. The outlook for

next week is looking relatively promising. Let's get through the

weekend first of all and today of course, enjoy it. Bye.

Hello it's Thursday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

In just over an hour's time we'll find out the Government's plan

to convert tens of thousands of EU rules into British law

as it publishes details of the Great Repeal Bill.

And we'll be looking specifically at employment law and what kind

Ministers deny Theresa May's threatening to blackmail Europe by

ending security cooperation unless we get a trade deal.

And we'll be looking specifically at employment law and what kind

of working environment we want to create in this country.

We'll look into mental health, we have films on mental health and

we've been hearing how important it is to tell those close to you how

you feel. I I opened up. It was the hardest conversation I'd ever had

but as soon as Rich arrived, I felt the weight had been instantly

lifted. I kind of said, I'm not having a good time, I apologised for

my behaviour because I felt like I was bringing the mood down and I

just said, I need help, how can I not be having a good time here. You

can get in touch and tells your own experiences this morning.

If you humiliate ex-lovers with revenge porn should you go to jail?

In certain circumstances yes, according to new

We'll be discussing what those are and hearing from a woman

who thinks her former partner's sentence didn't reflect

Here is Annita with a summary of the day's news.

Plans to repatriate more than forty years worth of powers

from the European Union will start this morning with the publication

The government paper intends to convert thousands of EU

House of Commons officials have described the process as one

of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.

Retired college lecturer, Neil Conway has lost his High Court bid

to challenge the law on assisted dying. That just in.

The Insurance Market, Lloyd's of London, says it will open

a new office in Brussels in early 2019.

Lloyds says it's concerned that once the UK has left the EU,

it will lose the right to sell its products

across the single market, but its Chief Executive said

customers shouldn't be concerned about the move.

Nothing to worry about. In fact it strengthens our business. We want to

be able to provide continuous coverage and continue to issue

insurance policies for customers based in the EU hence the need to

set up a subsidiary. A helicopter has gone missing. The

aerial search has been suspended due to poor wealth but the land search

continues. Holly Hamilton is in Caernarfon. Weather conditions is

not improved since that search was called off here late last night. We

are waiting for an update on that operation to find out when it will

resume on the search for that missing helicopter. We know that it

left Milton Keynes shortly before midday yesterday morning. It was due

to stop here in Caernarfon, it does not arrive, all contact was lost and

there were no sightings so the UK coastguard was informed immediately.

That search operation was launched just after 4 yesterday afternoon.

That involved two coastguard helicopters that searched across

North Wales right across to Dublin, but because of the poor weather and

the poor visibility here, that search was called off late last

night. Now, North Wales police have resumed the search today on ground,

they've called in Mountain Rescue Teams across Snowdonia, they're

focussing their search on that area. At the minute, we know very little

about the five individuals who're on board that aircraft. We know that it

was a privately-owned twin red helicopter. Members of the public

have been asked to dial 999 if they saw that red helicopter yesterday

afternoon. We are waiting for an update on when the search will

resume. They've said they are unable to start that search again while the

weather remains like this. Unless anything changes, there'll be no

updates in the next while. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

and Prince Harry have released a series of films as part

of their Heads Together campaign designed to encourage people to talk

about mental health. The project aims to help end

the stigma around mental health. The former England cricket

captain Andrew Flintoff and the rapper Professor Green,

were among the celebrities who've The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

will hold talks today with senior executives from social media

companies and internet She'll urge them to do more to help

combat terrorist activity. The meeting was arranged

before last week's terror That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 10.30. Thank you to Phillipa who texted

saying, I was able and capable up until two years ago, I never felt

I'd be mentally ill. I've been well supported by friends and family and

the NHS. Since revealing my condition, many friends have

admitted they also struggle with it. It's much more common than we think.

Thank you very much. Do get in touch with us through the next hour of the

programme. You don't have to use your name but

I'm interesting to hear about the conversations you've had about your

mental health, particularly the first conversation.

We're hanging on for a decision from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger

And we're still in suspense, because Wenger refused to confirm

He's been under increasing pressure in recent months,

with Arsenal sitting sixth in the Premier League and four

Here is what he said. I'm very clear in my mind, but anyway, I stay two

months, two years, my commitment will be the same all the time. The

time I've spent here is not influencing my attitude.

Well our reporter David Ornstein was at that press

conference and David, Wenger, seemed very relaxed.

What wiz his demeanour like? He was the most comfortable in a pre-match

news conference that I've seen him in quite a while. He looked

refreshed after the last game, plenty of laughs. I think we know

the direction in which we could be travelling here. It seems that

Arsene Wenger wants to stay as Arsenal manager, the club want him

to remain as Arsenal manager. We have known for a while that there's

been a contract offer on the table for him, a two-year deal. That's

perhaps why he mentioned two months or two years. He also said that it's

not completely sorted out yet. That's why I don't think this is set

in stone, it could go the other way depending on the atmosphere around

the fan base and the result. They play Manchester City at the weekend

and the FA Cup semi-finals towards the end of April, so it looks like

Wenger is probably going to stay as Arsenal manager, sign a new deal,

but that is not set in stone. It's not just speculation about his

future but the future of Alexi Sanchez. He said he's happy but

wants to be at a club with a winning mentality. What do you make of that?

Will we see Sanchez in an Arsenal shirt next season? Wenger was asked

what he made of those quotes which came from Chile where he was away.

Wenger urged caution on the quotes but he said he takes them in a very

positive way, tongue-in-cheek, there's only one team in London so

he's happy is. I think personally he's happy here, I hope he will

stay. You have to be very cautious when people give interviews in their

home country. Now, he also spoke about how in the past Arsenal have

had to sell some of their best players, the likes of van Persie and

Fabregas, was that's not the case any more, he said, and they can keep

hold of them. He reiterated that he hopes Sanchez and Ozil will sign new

contracts. And the demeanour that Wenger gave off suggested he's

pretty confident that both will stay. But it's a crucial two months

now for Arsenal's season and you suppose that could make or break the

future of both Wenger, Sanchez and Ozil. Crucial indeed. Thank you,

David. More sport later. Today Prime Minister Theresa May

will publish details of her plans for what's called

the Great Repeal Bill although it should perhaps be called

the Great Retention Bill because it's all about importing

and retaining thousands and thousands of EU laws

but enshrining them in British law. This process will have consequences

for almost every sector of British business because it will allow

the government to decide what maternity pay, holiday pay

and pensions will look like. Our Political Guru Norman Smith

is in Westminster. This is a huge job to download all

the laws isn't it? It's massive, Vic. I mean, I can't recall anything

as big as that in recent years. I mean, if you think we have been a

member of the EU for over 40 years, during that time there have been

thousands upon thousands, someone estimated 80,000 different EU rules,

regulations, directives, all of which are now going to have to be

rewritten so they apply in British law. So there's a massive

undertaking and it's going to eat up a huge amount of Parliamentary time.

That probably means there isn't going to be much scope for the

Government to be able to do anything else because so much of its

legislative energy will be devoted to this. It also leaves open the

possibility that if MPs wanted to cause Mrs May grief, this Bill, as a

vehicle for Brexit mutiny, it has the potential for MPs who want to

cause trouble to cause trouble. Now, I don't think that's likely to

happen because in the really contentious areas around say

employment law or environment law, the Government already said don't

worry, all that is going to go into British law exactly the same. If you

listen to the man who used to be in charge of the admin of Commons

business, the Clerk to the Commons, this morning he was warning that

getting this done could take years after we have even left the EU. It

won't just be two years. How long will it be? It could go on for a

decade, the tidying up, the instant or the Brexit day arrangements have

obviously got to be made because that is an unmissable deadline, but

there'll be an awful lot to do after that.

Interesting. What is the reaction in Europe about the idea that Mrs May

is trying to potentially or suggesting linking security

cooperation to a trade teal? You know, interestingly, we had that

very conciliatory tone from Theresa May yesterday, the one thing that

really jarred, the real snapth snag, was that linkage around security

cooperation and a future Brexit trade deal. -- the real snag. The

fire hose has been trying to dampen down the fact that they think this

is blackmail central. If a way, when you think about it, they couldn't

really do that. Could you imagine Britain not passing on information

about terrorism and security threats to other EU countries, it's not

really a runner. The point of it was more to sort of politely remind the

rest of the EU of the benefits Britain brings to Europe. I don't

think it was meant as a threat. Listening to David Davis this

morning, in fact, you get the sense that they are determined, not just

to maintain good relations with the rest of Europe, but to do so in

order to ensure what they're hoping is going to be an incredibly

generous and big deal. Have a listen to Mr Davis. The classical approach

for a politician doing a negotiation is to reduce expectation. That's

what people think is the sophisticated way. We are playing

for the national interest here. I'm aiming as high as conceivably

possible. I want the best possible benefits from the European Union,

I'm not going to apologise for aiming for that. Achieving it of

course is a matter of negotiation and negotiations are uncertain, but

that's what we are aiming at. There will have to be big

compromises and concessions. The difficulty faced by Theresa May is,

she will have to bring her package back to Westminster to sell out to

her backbenchers, and of course to ask other public.

Some of Europe's leaders will be discussing Brexit amongst other

things in Malta this morning. What kind of mood do you think they are

in? I mean, there has been discussion of this potential link

between security and trade, but overall, I think when they read the

letter, there was the regret that we finally are leaving. And secondly, a

sense of relief in many ways. The overall tone of the letter was

actually pretty conciliatory, we need to work together, we need to

get a deal which works for everyone. Was none of this, no deal is better

than a bad deal, which we had heard from Teresa me before. What they are

trying to do now is to work out exactly what their first formal

response to the letter will be. Donald Tusk has said that by about

this time tomorrow, he will release draft guidelines which will be

debated in the other 27 Z and agreed in a month's time. Those guidelines

will form the basis for the way the European Commission negotiates with

the UK over the next few months. One thing we heard yesterday from Angela

Merkel and I suspect she will repeat it when she speaks in the building

here later today is that we do have to work on the principles of the

divorce agreement first. That doesn't mean we have to cross every

T and not every i. But we have to agree on that first. After that, we

can then move on to talk about the things which the UK really wants to

talk about, which is the future relationship, and trade and so

forth. So there will be some disagreement about the structure of

the talks, but I don't think it will necessarily be insurmountable.

Reuters reporting, you may know about this, that Francois Hollande,

outgoing French president, has found Teresa me to say pretty much what

you have just said, that the talks must first be about the terms of

withdrawal, dealing with citizens rights and obligations and

commitments of the UK. Yeah. Everything I have heard is

that people in the of EU are pretty united on this point, that this is

the way they want it to be structured. In other words the

commission would be pretty much forbidden to talk about trade at

this stage. David Davis may say, we want to talk about trade now. But Mr

Barnier will say, I've got no mandate to talk about that. We have

to talk about the rights of EU citizens, and UK citizens elsewhere

in the EU, the divorce bill, and possibly also the border between the

Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. It is the only land border

between the UK and a country which will remain in the EU. I think the

European leaders are very aware of the need to address that early on.

Let's talk about workers' rights, then. Much of the rights in this

country are under EU law. They will be downloaded, copied and pasted,

however you want to say it, into British law. Or will they? It is a

concern for some people that not everything will be enshrined.

We speak to Jane Malyon, a small business owner that

employs five people, Schona Jolly who is a leading

employment rights barrister and the TUC's employment rights

Good morning, all of you. Hannah Reed, do you have any concerns?

Well, the Prime Minister has made a commit and, a promised in public,

that all rights from Europe will be protected and will be enshrined in

UK law through the Great Repeal Bill. We will of course be getting

the terms of that bill to make sure that every right is there. What

we're saying to the government is, we need further assurances, that

those rights will be protected for the long-term, and also that the UK

doesn't fall behind the rest of our European partners. UK workers

deserve the same rights as German workers, as those in France, Spain

and Italy. What kind of rights are you talking about? Well, many of us

probably don't realise that many of the rights we presume we have, we

expect we have, come from Europe. The right to paid holidays, the

right for equal treatment for agency workers, the rights for women who

are pregnant to have paid time off to attend antenatal appointments,

and also important and the discolouration laws, making sure

that LGBT workers, black and ethnic minority workers, disabled workers,

are not discrimination against in the workplace. Do you have concerns,

Schona Jolly? I think there are a variety of really serious concerns.

You have Theresa May saying, of course workers' rights will be

protected. On the other hand, you have this great red tape challenge.

And you have a lot of the reasons given by the pro-wreck camp as being

directed. So you have that threat of the regulation, which we have heard

reiterated by Prime Minister may herself. -- by the pro-Brexit camp.

There is an inherent contrition and we have to see how they will square

that circle. But there is also another concern. What we've lost, or

what we will lose by the time that we Brexit, is the protection of the

European institutions, the European laws, they are our floor, they are

not a ceiling, they are a floor. What that means is that we will

never stopped from protecting workers' rights in greater detail.

But what we were stopped from was diminishing them below that floor.

Now, once the Great Repeal Bill is through, once Brexit has taken

place, in 2019 or whenever that is, it is likely that the Government

will then have a sort of pick and mix approach to the laws that

currently have been protected by Europe, that favour workers. So it's

not just about what happens today in this white paper, it's not about

even what happens by 2019, it is about safeguarding the future. Jane,

tell us about the business that you run, Jane Malyon? I run the English

cream tea company out in Essex and we send out afternoon tea hampers

all over Great Britain, the sort that you would get in a London

hotel, that type of afternoon tea, but we also export the delights of

afternoon tea, except of course leaving out the cream and the

sandwiches that would go off before it arrives in America and Australia.

As an employer, in a small business, you have five members of staff, are

there some EU laws that protect workers' rights that you would

actually like to see junked because you regard them as bureaucratic?

Yes. I can put on both hats because I am also a mother, and I have got

sons out of employment, and I want them to have rights. Of course I

love our employees and we want them to be well looked after. But as a

micro-business, some of the laws are very own response on us and would

stop us being able to expand at times. Give us an example. Well,

we've just been through maternity leave with one of our lovely ladies,

and so we want her to be well looked after, and of course, we did

everything we could to help her with her maternity leave but she took a

full year off. And for a tiny business, and at the time she was

one third of our staff, we have expanded since. And so we were left

floundering, not really able to replace her. You have to be careful

with what you're doing. We don't want to go trick or tribunal, and we

want to be fair to her and she is fantastic. But it left us limping

for a year. And so the laws which could apply to larger companies who

could perhaps cope much better with losing a third of their workforce

surely shouldn't apply so rigorously two tiny little businesses? Let me

be clear about that, are you saying that if you're a small business

with, say, five members of staff, or three, as it was, women should have

reduced but energy leave? No, I would like more government help for

the business to support worker in that situation. OK, but you can

claim back the maternity pay that you pay her? You can but it doesn't

cover everything, it really doesn't. What are the other costs, then? It's

covered all the basics, it certainly didn't cover her going off for

medical and so on, and then the holiday leave and the bank holidays

that have had to be accounted for, going forward. So it just didn't

feel like we work with pro Crowe at all. I am sorry to interrupt, I am

just trying to establish the facts - it didn't feel like it was quid pro

quo, but was it? No, I don't believe so. Did you check the box? My

husband runs that side of it, I'm sorry we have not got him sitting

here to answer that. But we have really struggled with this. And do

you think you would still be saying that if you had found someone to

replace that woman? That wouldn't be appropriate because she is coming

back to work as of next week and off we go again. I mean replaced the 12

months, it is a long time to struggle on? It is and we took on

various part-timers but it is never the central it takes a few weeks for

them to hit the ground running and absorb what they have to do. And you

might not get the same commitment from somebody who is only going to

be with you for a short space of time. Hannah Reed, Schona Jolly, a

reaction to that? We believe employment rights are very important

for working people. People would be very hard-pressed to find anyone who

voted to leave the European Union because they wanted to see fewer

worker rights. We recognise that there may be a case for greater

support for small businesses from the Government, for individuals who

take maternity leave and who take time off. But more importantly we

would argue that everybody, regardless of whether you work for a

small large business, should get basic and settlements, including the

ability to take maternity leave. Obviously, there are government

agencies which can support small businesses to help them to recruit

to cover maternity leave. I think what's very interesting about those

comments are that Jane is not asking actually for maternity provisions to

be reduced, she's actually asking the government help. I think that

probably just makes Hannah Reed's point, that actually people are not

looking for a reduction in workers' rights. And so there really does

need to be commitment not just now but beyond 2019 for those rights to

be protected. Thank you all. Good luck with the business. Thank you

very much for all your comments about the conversations you have had

about mental health and your own experiences. This e-mail from

Carol... I'm almost 63 and I've had depression and anxiety for as long

as I can remember. I was born in 1954, my father was a violent

alcoholic. My mum also drank. They both smoked and neither of them

showed us any love. I can only describe my childhood as a refuge of

I'm so glad that people are bringing this situation into the present day

and encouraging others to talk about it. I hope future generations will

get the care and support that my family never got. Sharon says...

Because of the stigma around mental health, my 15-year-old daughter

tried to take her life to stop the voices in her head. I believe if

mental health was talked about more in school, children like my daughter

might not struggle as much and for as long. She's now diagnosed with

psychosis, paranoid episodes and depression. It's going to be a long

road but her mental health team are very good. Thank you very much for

those. I've got so many, I will try to read as many as I can before the

end of the programme. If you want to talk to somebody, if you're

experiencing mental health issues, then you can get more information

and support and advice from the BBC's Action line page. Still to

come... The story of the leading Bitcoin developer who went to fight

in Syria. And should you be jailed for revenge pornography? We will

speak to one young woman who thinks her ex wasn't punished enough.

Plans to repatriate more than forty years worth of powers

from the European Union will start this morning with the publication

The Government paper intends to convert thousands of EU

House of Commons officials have described the process as one

of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.

Brexit Secretary David Davis explained how it will work.

What it does first off so that people understand, it takes all of

the 40 years of European law up to the point when we leave and it puts

it into UK law. That is not a straightforward process but it's a

limited process. We do that in a way that it work, so a that all the law

continues to work. That means when we start on the EU trade deal, we

are in the same place as every other country in Europe. After that, we'll

have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other

things and that will be done substantially by Parliament, though

there'll be a number of such laws I think. Parliament will make those

decisions. This is a big transformation. We shouldn't

underestimate that we've got a task to do. It's moment us to but it's

not beyond us. The Insurance Market,

Lloyd's of London, says it will open a new office in Brussels

in early 2019. Lloyds says it's concerned that once

the UK has left the EU, it will lose the right

to sell its products A retired college lecturer

who is terminally ill has lost a High Court bid to challenge

the law on assisted dying. Neil Conway, who is 67 and has

motor neurone disease, says the 1961 Suicide Act

condemns him to an undignified Some news just in. A man has been

arrested in Dudley after three members of same family were found

stabbed at their home. Police were called to an address in Stourbridge

where they found a man, woman and boy with serious injuries. A car

stolen from outside the house was stopped by police and a man in his

20s was arrested. More on that developing story as we get it. A

privately owned helicopter with five people on board has disappeared over

North Wales. It's believed to have been travelling from Milton Keynes

to Dublin via Caernarfon bay. A land search is under way but the aerial

search has been suspended due to poor wealth. Organisers of the

Oscars say they'll continue to work with the accountancy firm PWC

despite the mistake which led to La La Land being wrongly announced as

winner of Best Picture instead of Moonlight. This is the moment

Hollywood realised someone didn't follow the script last month to make

sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year there'll be an

extra accountant on hand and electronic devices will be banned

backstage. That's a summary of the latest

news - join me for BBC We're hanging on for a decision

from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger And we're still in suspense,

because Wenger refused to confirm He's been under increasing

pressure in recent months, with Arsenal sitting sixth

in the Premier League and four Jo Pavey says it's a bitter sweet

feeling to receive a medal ten years after the race. She was upgraded

after the athlete who took the silver was disqualified for doping.

Johanna Konta is into the semi-finals of the him Mile Open.

She'll face Venus Williams next in the last four, to be played

overnight. Manchester City's women take on a 1-0 aggregate lead into

the Champions League quarter-finals second leg at home to Danish side

Fortuna. Best of luck to them. That's all the sport.

Police can face a backlog of up to five months to analyse computers

linked to suspected paedophiles, a report by an MP has found.

Ann Coffey highlighted the delays as part of a study into child sexual

The report found the number of "known or suspected" child sex

offenders in the region had risen to 1,139, double the number

Probably worth reminding our audience in terms of what you found

in the report, then we can compare and contrast.

What I found was that there were attitudes which blamed the children

for their own sexual exploitation. Some were seen as prostitutes, some

were seen as making a lifestyle choice. Of course, that created

barrier, because victims, if they feel they are not going to be

blamed, are not going to come forward and say they've been

sexually abused. So I looked at some aspects of that report and found

that there was a greater awareness and understanding of child sexual

exploitation among the police, other agencies and the public. That of

course has led to a higher level of reporting of child sexual offences

against children which is shocking when it begins to reveal the extent

of child abuse in Greater Manchester and probably they're still

unreported particularly in relation to child sexual ex-employmentation

of boys. But that increase in the number of people reporting is a good

thing, however it has a knock-on effect for the police and the

resources they can put to this crime and what has been the knock-on oaf?

-- child sexual exploitation. 85% of Child Exploitation begins

online. Now, it's very important to disrupt that activity quickly

because the paedophiles can contact many, many, many children. So any

delay in seizing their computer, examining the evidence, prosecuting

them, means that other children are put in danger. So it's very, very

important that the police have the resources to disrupt this activity

by these paedophiles. According to your report, bliss received just

over 10,000 pieces of intelligence between October 2014 and June 2016,

including anonymous tip-offs in terms of child sexual exploitation.

Almost half of those against girls and boys under the age of 13. If

they don't have the resources to disrupt, as you put it what the

paedophiles are doing, what will be the impact? Well, we really need to

prevent children being sexually abused. Of course, one of the most

important things to do is to give children information. So schools are

very important making sure that children have the information, the

knowledge, so that they understand when they are being groomed. They

themselves can disrupt the activity and reports it to the police. It's

important that the wider community protects children because the police

can't do it alone. This is why these 10,000 pieces of intelligence are

important coming from the community. It's important for the police to use

what they have at their disposal to disrupt activities by people they

suspect trying the groom children to sex abuse them. But the point is,

from what you have discovered, any delay in examining the devices, that

means that the paedophile is potentially continuing to groom and

abuse other children? Of course. They'll continue to do it until

they're arrested and charged and until they're put on the Sex

Offenders' Register where they can be supervised and monitored. So it's

critically important that the police get the resources so ensure that

they can disrupt the activity of paedophiles who're trying to contact

children online as quickly as possible. Of course, because there

is this kind of forensic evidence available on the computer, it leads

to a high number of prosecutions and convictions, meaning more children

are safe. Thank you very much.

Amir Taaki is a leading developer of the online currency Bitcoin.

But now he's revealed to the BBC that he has

been fighting in Syria, and is now under

So why would a computer hacker go to war?

I went there with the mindset that whatever I need to do, I'm willing

But I had to learn how to fight in the war.

What training did you have, and how were

I had no training, and I was given a Kalashnikov and four

The other foreigners, when we were on the way,

Amir Taaki is known for inhabiting the darkest corners of

A master of coding and a hacker, he gained fame building

software to enable anonymous transactions with Bitcoin,

potentially untraceable by governments and banks.

Bitcoin, just like the internet and these other

tools, it's one of these equalising technologies that everybody has

But now, Amir Taaki has revealed that in 2015 he travelled

to Syria and began fighting on the front lines

What had you told your family about where you were going?

I didn't tell them anything, because I didn't want

them to stop me, I didn't want them to tell the police.

So, why would a computer hacker go to war?

The Kurdish units Amir Taaki said he fought

with are recognised as the

West's most important ally in the deadly ground war against IS.

But the Kurds are also creating a new type

They say their revolutionary ideas are creating

communities much freer from state control.

And this, Amir Taaki says, is what inspired him to go.

There's this atmosphere in the Society of

people working for something bigger than themselves.

In the wake of IS terror, their vision, to live with

Eventually, Amir Taaki says he left the fighting and went on to develop

local projects with the Syrian Kurds.

We will build facilities to process collected waste, to make

low-cost, highly efficient fertiliser.

Like this crowdfunding campaign which he says raised money

and then built fertiliser factories to help Syrian farmers grow more

They're trying to create a people's economy, by the people, for

To help establish a decentralised economy, you need

This place is under embargo, so there's no way to

move money in and out, so we have to actually

create our own Bitcoin economy here if we want to establish

But keeping transactions secret has also led to

warnings that Bitcoin could be used to help money-laundering and

And when Amir Taaki returned to the UK, he found

his activities had raised the suspicions

of the authorities, which had a grave effect.

They stopped the plane, and they arrested me and

investigated me for one year under the terrorism act.

They confiscate phones and everything, and they have

an investigation against me that's open indefinitely.

Some might say you've been in a war zone, picked up

Isn't it right that the security services will have

to take an interest in someone like you and find

Sure, but there is a lot of foreigners have gone to join YPG.

Amir Taaki has spent the last 12 months on police bail.

You think, because of your skills as a hacker,

you think the authorities are taking a greater interest in you?

In the eyes of the law, have you become involved in Fort

In the eyes of the law, have you become involved in what

I don't support terrorism or terrorist acts.

Why not just use your other skills right from the start?

I went there with the idea that whatever is

You contributed to violence - how do you

I'm very proud of having fought against Isis.

You've been warned you risk breaking counterterror laws.

This could have very serious consequences for your

You know, if I have to go back, I'll go back.

You could work in Silicon Valley, you could have an

amazing career with your skills - why not take that route?

That's our objective as human beings.

But along with Amir Taaki's vision of a

new world, it's also clear his technology may be of use to

potential extremists as well as to the communities he is trying to

And Emma Vardy, who you saw in that report joins me now.

How many people go to Syria to fight IS?

It's just really difficult to know because some people are very public

about it and others are much more under the radar. Amir says he went

to fight with the YPG. Other people join other Kurdish groups called the

Peshmerga. The YPG claims hundreds of volunteers have fought with them,

people from all over the world. We know Canada, America and even

Australia. The Kurdish group is not banned

here, but that's not This is where it gets politically

difficult. Although the YPG are known to have been successful in

towns and villages, they've taken back IS-held territory, but the

Kurds also have a deep-rooted history of conflict with Turkey.

Turkey does consider the YPG a terror organisation, so for people

going to join this conflict, it's difficult territory. What do the

police say? They say again and again don't go to Syria and the Met Police

have issued warnings saying, if you play any role, you can expect to be

questioned at the very least when you come back. In a statement the

police told me those who've committed criminal offences can

expect to be prosecuted. However any December six on whether to