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Hello it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,


Taking back powers from Europe; we'll ask which European laws


will the Government keep after Brexit, which ones will go,


And as the insurance market, Lloyds of London, says it's setting


up a base in Brussels, we'll ask if more big


Also this morning, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge


and Prince Harry release a series of films of celebrities


Here in Westminster, we'll discuss the great repeal bill.


Also this morning, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge


and Prince Harry release a series of films of celebrities


talking about mental health for their Heads Together campaign.


If I start talking about problems, one, the people who followed me


through my career, they're going to turn their backs on me because they


think I'm one thing, everyone's going to think of me differently.


Did that happen? No, it was the complete opposite!


The campaign urges people to open up to a friend or colleague; we'll


speak to people who've done exactly that.


And, as new guidelines on sugar in food are published we'll talk


to industry insiders about how manufacturers are juggling


the pressure to make products more healthy without losing sales.


Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.


Imagine you finally get a statue, and it looks like that!


It's a new statue of Cristiano Ronaldo which has been


unveiled on the Portuguese island of Madeira.


He's putting a brave face on it, but if you were him,


His fans on social media have been less than complimentary!


Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -


use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged


According to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, and Prince Harry, they


believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to talking about


mental health. Do you think the stigma is finally being broken down


or not, let me know. We'll talk a lot about it after 9. 30.


Plans to repatriate powers from the European Union will be


published today in a draft of what's known as The Great Repeal Bill.


Having formally triggered Brexit, ministers are promising


a smooth transition, with the incorporation


of thousands of pieces of EU law into UK legislation.


But this morning the insurance market, Lloyds of London,


said it's setting up a base in Brussels - to maintain a presence


Our political correspondent, Eleanor Garnier, reports.


Cometh the hour, cometh the moment, in Westminster, Belfast,


Edinburgh and Cardiff - the exact moment the UK took


This is an historic moment from which there is no turning back.


The letter, hand-delivered by our man in Brussels, telling


Written in a deliberately conciliatory tone.


But a hint, too, of the steel in Mrs May's stance.


No overt threat to walk away, but a serious warning,


as she wrote "a failure to reach an agreement would mean our


cooperation in the fight against crime and terrorism


We must therefore work hard to avoid that outcome."


A sentence that certainly raised eyebrows, here,


But despite all the difficulties, Mrs May promised our relationship


with the rest of the continent will be just as good after Brexit.


What we are both looking for is that comprehensive trade agreement,


which gives that ability to trade freely into the European


And for them, and for them to trade with us.


It would be a different relationship, but I think it can


have the same benefits in terms of that free access to trade.


Labour insisted it would hold the government


More than ever, Britain needs a government that will deliver


for the whole country, not just the few.


And that is the ultimate test of the Brexit deal


that the Prime Minister must now secure.


Two years to untangle a 40-year relationship,


to unpick all the interwoven regulations and legislation.


That task starts today, with more detail from the government


on how it plans to bring EU powers back to Westminster.


Eleanor Garnier, BBC News, Westminster.


Our Political Guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.


Why are Lloyds of London setting up a base in Brussels? To keep their


options open like a lot of big financial institutions. They want to


see how the negotiations pan out. The real concern is that the sort of


deal they have at the moment where we have so-called passporting rites


which basically means they can sell their services across the EU with no


additional complications, administrative burdens and so on,


that might go out the window and any new EU deal, for that it could mean


a massive headache. So new bases are being set up in Europe in case


things go spectacularly wrong. It chimes with what we know is a good


deal of nervousness in the City about how all this might shape up.


JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, they may possibly have to redeploy thousands


of people in the EU rather than keeping them in Britain. One thing


to say in the letter yesterday which Mrs May sent to the President of the


European Council, Don add tusk, she specifically talks about the


financial sector and what she referred to as network industries --


Donald Tusk. They seem to be moving towards a special deal for the City


and other key industries to make sure that they are not too damaged


or hurt and there's not too much change following Brexit. And this


job of importing thousands and thousands of EU laws, enshrining


them in British law, that is massive isn't it? It's huge. I kind of think


of it about being dropped in the Borneo jungle and having to hack


your way through lots of legislative paperwork. We have got 40 years, 40


years! 40 years of EU rules and regulations which we have got to


translate basically into British law. I heard someone say it was


something like 80,000 different pieces of legislation. That is


colossal. What does that mean? There's not going to be much time


for the Government to do anything else but Brexit. Interestingly, we


heard from the man who was going to be in charge of procedure in the


Commons, the clerk of the Commons, this morning say, this won't take


two years, it could go on for a decade, in other words, for many,


many years after we have even left the European Union.


Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary


A privately-owned helicopter with five people on board has


The aircraft is believed to have been travelling


from Milton Keynes to Dublin, via Caernarfon Bay.


A land search is underway but the aerial search had to be


The weather conditions have not improved and the coastguard can't


continue the search until the weather does improve. The aircraft


is privately owned. There were five individuals on board. It was


destined to arrive in Dublin but it left Milton Keynes yesterday morning


shortly before midday. It was due to stop here at can air van Airport. It


did not arrive. Communications were lost. It went missing from the


radar. The coastguard was alerted immediately -- Caernarfon. The


operation yesterday involved two coastguard helicopters that searched


across North Wales right through to Dublin via land and sea, and


unfortunately, due to the weather conditions, that had to be called


off late last night. Now, the search operation was continued on land by


North Wales police. They've introduced Mountain Rescue Teams, to


seem the land, and that is continuing this morning. We don't


know a great deal about these five individuals, we know that it was a


red helicopter. Members of the public have been asked to dial 999


if they saw that helicopter at any point yesterday afternoon in the


area. Now, the search should be continuing this morning. Time is of


the essence. The coastguard will not allow that search to resume unless


these weather conditions improve significantly in the next few hours.


New guidelines for the amount of sugar that should be in everyday


foods from breakfast cereals to chocolate bars have been


The aim is to cut the amount of sugar children consume by 20%


Our Health Correspondent, Jane Dreaper has the details.


The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry have released


a series of films as part of their Heads Together campaign


designed to encourage people to talk about mental health.


The project aims to help end the stigma around mental health.


The former England cricket captain Andrew Flintoff


and the rapper Professor Green, were among the celebrities who've


The hardest thing for me was initially talking. We don't talk,


I'm from the north of England, a working class family, we don't talk


about our feelings. It was no different for me growing up in a


council estate in East London, it was not something you spoke about.


And Victoria will be speaking to some of the people


featured in the new campaign in a few minutes time.


There's been a big increase in the number of cases of child


sexual exploitation in Greater Manchester.


A report by the Stockport MP, Ann Coffey, says more


than 1700 children have been identified some of them victims,


The figure is four times higher than when the last report


A federal judge in the US state of Hawaii has extended


the suspension of President Trump's travel ban for an indefinite period.


It means Mr Trump will be barred from enforcing his revised ban


on six mostly Muslim states while it is contested in court.


Organisers of the Oscars say they will continue to work


with the accountancy firm, PwC, despite the mistake which led


to "La La Land" being wrongly announced as the winner


of Best Picture, instead of Moonlight.


This is the moment Hollywood realised someone hadn't


followed the script at the ceremony last month.


To make sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year,


there will be an extra accountant on hand, and electronic devices


That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9.30.


Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -


use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged


We'd be really interested if you could share with us the first


conversation you had with us when realising you had problems. Let me


know about the very first conversation you had and we'll share


those with the nation this morning if that's OK with you. You don't


have to give me your name if you don't want to, it's fine if you


prefer to be anonymous. Sport now with Jess. Jo Pavey gets


the medal she's been craving? Yes, and sadly it comes ten years after


the fact. This centred around the 2007 World Championships when the


distance runner finished fourth but because the Turkish athlete that


finished third in the bronze position was found to have failed a


drugs test in competition, retrospectively after her sample was


retested, so that means Pavey has been upgraded to the bronze medal.


You see her after that race, she was exhausted. She crossed the line in


fourth. She was flat on her back and felt she'd let everyone down because


she was out of the medals. Pavey says that athletes who're found to


have doped should have all the results wiped from the records and


that would be the biggest deterrent against doping. From that


experience, Pavey has admitted that she changed her race tactics. What


was to be the biggest result of her career she says is now bitter sweet


because she missed out on her moment on the podium.


Football transfer speculation around, including about Arsenal's


Alexi Sanchez? Yes, interesting quotes coming from the Arsenal star


who's been speaking at an event in Chile. He says he's happy in London,


he hopes to finish his contract at Arsenal, but he wants to be with a


team that has winning mentality. Now, if you take a lack at Arsenal's


form, it's not very good at the moment. They've fallen down to sixth


in the Premier League, four defeats in the last five games. Not sure


that suggests they have a winning mentality at the moment, so they may


well struggle to hold on to the top goal-scorer. We know Sanchez's


contract negotiations are on hold until the summer. Interestingly,


Arsene Wenger has a press conference this morning so we may well get an


update on that or at least some reaction to what Sanchez as said.


Also reaction to Arsene Wenger's future. He said he knows what he


wants to do about his future, we are waiting for him to tell us what it


is. An update on that later this morning. And this statue of


Cristiano Ronaldo, the reaction continues to give us food for


thought? It's been funny on social media. How many people get an


airport named after them. But that's not what's causing the headlines,


it's this statue. So this bust was made in his honour and it's supposed


to look like him. I don't know what you think, but I'm not convinced it


looks anything like him. We have had funny reaction from the world of


social media. Presenter Dan Walker tweeted this: We've had a few other


look-alikes that maybe look like the Bust. How about Mr Incredible, what


do you think? Perfect! Brilliant. That's all the sport, more later.


At least 20% less sugar in biscuits, chocolate bars


and breakfast cereals by 2020 - that's the challenge to the food


and drink industry from health officials in an attempt to reduce


child obesity, which they describe as an "urgent problem".


A number of food manufacturers have already pledged to cut sugar in


their foods. But Public Health England


say things like cakes, yogurts and even some bakery


products such as croissants and croissants are just some


of the products that They say sugar content


can be reduced by... encouraging people to buy low-


or no-sugar alternatives, or changing the recipes


of products to cut down sugar. But alarmingly, even if sugar levels


were reduced by a fifth, youngsters would still be exceeding


the recommended daily A third of children


going to secondary school The group that represents food


and drink manufacturers says they are listening to calls


to reduce sugar in products. We've been reducing salt -


now we're focusing more on sugar. The industry understands


that consumers want more options, and they


are providing them. They are changing


the recipe of products. It's something that's


going to have to be done quite gradually, but it's something that's


going to make a real Particularly for those products


where it's not possible to substitute the sugar,


we are going to see things get smaller, and it's right that


Public Health England are out there today saying to people,


you need to expect that this Obesity, childhood obesity


particularly, is a really serious We've got to tackle it,


and one of the consequences is that we're going to see the recipes of


favourite products change gradually, and we're going to see some


of our favourite products get a bit We can now speak to food sociologist


and advisor at Action on Sugar Professor Jack Winkler,


food consultant Jane Milton, nutritionist Azmina Govinji,


and food taster Jennifer Earle. Health bosses want children


to consume 20% less sugar by 2020. We eat too much? Yes. Yes. It is not


going to be compulsory. That makes it better. Why? Because you don't


have to go through the whole extended legal wrangle of getting


everybody to agree and put it in law. What if they don't do it? They


will do it, though. Manufacturers want to produce proof that people


want to buy, otherwise they would go out of business. If people want food


that has less sugar in it, they will find ways to do that. Do people want


to have foods which are less sugary? We have brought our children up to


enjoy sugary foods, so I think it is a wider issue. There is an emphasis


on the manufacturer, but also, labelling, marketing, enabling


parents to make healthy choices. But I think people know they should be


having less sugar but it is very hard to know. There is too much


information, so if we can make the manufacturers have less sugar, then


at least those choices, they will automatically be reducing the sugar


in their diet. A lot of companies are doing that already. I think


also, you have to understand what sugar does in some things. Sugar


makes chicken dishes that you make at home go brown on top, because you


put a little bit of honey and the source. Or it makes risk it's --


biscuits have a crisp taste. There are roles played by sugar, and we


will have to decide which of those things we are prepared to have


differently, and which we will have less of. Enjoy the things you love,


but have less of it. Exactly, portion size is crucial. I think we


need to target the appropriate foods. If we start targeting chicken


in a sauce... It is pretty much as you would expect, biscuits,


puddings, pastries, ice cream. One of the key points in that whole


document is, they say, focus on the big seven products. If you do that,


then you can have a public health impact. We know that teenagers drink


around 30% of their sugar through soft strings, so that is an easy


way, cut the sugar in soft drinks. I think the unintended consequence of


looking too much at sugar is that we might be demonising food which is


otherwise healthy. A whole-grain breakfast cereal gives you nutrients


and fibre. Yes, we need to reduce the sugar in these so-called kids


cereals, but let's not demonise the food. But there is sugar which has a


purpose, like the Browning or the texture, but then there is sugar


which is added because it is a cheap ingredient. It has been about


reducing the amount of cocoa, adding more sugar, it is only being done


because it is cheap, it does not make the chocolate taste any better.


When you give the kids chocolate which has more cocoa than sugar,


they like it just as much. But it makes the chocolate bar considerably


more expensive. Of course, what they might do is just to make the


chocolate bar smaller. And then buy two of them! Is such a lazy way of


getting around this. It is worse than that. If you make it smaller,


the big issue is that many companies have actually kept the price is the


same, or even raised them. I heard a representative on the radio this


morning, when asked, if you make it smaller, will the price come down?


Well, no, not necessarily. It is a good way to raise prices. There is


always price inflation anyway. If it is chocolate products, cocoa getting


dearer, the prices will go up. But I think although a lot of people have


reformulated soft drinks, people need to change their palate to want


less sugar in their diet. One of the things about switching from sugar to


things like maple syrup or two lower calorie versions of sugar is and


sweeteners, it still makes people want sugary food. And there has to


be a shift to the way we think. Coming out of the Second World War,


people hadn't had that much sugar and they did not have the money to


have it. We are more affluent now so we are able to have more of it. And


so I think we've got to re-educate people. Honey monster puffs, they


have cut the sugar by 41%. They used to be the highest sugar breakfast


cereal. It used to be sugar puffs. Yes, it did. Firstly, they never


said it is lower sugar, and secondly, it took them 25 years to


do it. If we look at assault as the model, we have been really


successful at cutting down the salt over the years, we haven't told the


consumer, but the industry has been fantastic at making these changes.


Bread is much less assaulted and it was ten years ago. And I believe we


can do that with sugar. -- if we look at assault. It is about how


practical it is, and I think this gradual change is what needs to


happen. For the price benefits, we have been trained to expect the


sweetness in our food. Like the salt model, if you reduce the sugar, even


if it is done gradually, change into smaller portions does not change the


core of the problem, that we are addicted to the taste of sugar. What


do you say, Professor, to those who say that because these guidelines


are voluntary for the food and drink industry, and the Government has not


realised how serious the problem is, we have got the sugary drinks levy


being introduced in April, that was from the child obesity plan last


year? We have referred to the most successful policy in Britain since


the Second World War, which was the salt. It was entirely voluntary. The


reason being that they learned from the EU's experience. For decades,


the European Union tried to harmonise, as they call it, food


composition laws, and never got a single one done, because everybody


was defending the way they did it in their country, or their brand.


Voluntary guidelines, at least you can act on them quickly. And the


industry does want to make food that people want to buy. So if there is


demand for it, and that is what we saw with salt, people wanted that to


happen just I also think traffic lighting on products, which makes it


easier to see the composition, will mean that they will not be adding


things which would be dapper mental, according to the traffic light


signals. Thank you all of you. The mother of a man believed


to have left the country after a four-year-old girl


was killed by a car has pleaded Violet Grace Youens died


after being struck by a stolen vehicle while walking


through St Helens, Police are trying to trace 23


year old Aidan McAteer, who is believed to have left


the country hours after the crash. I'm joined by our


correspondent Lisa Hampele. I stolen black Ford Fiesta hit


four-year-old Violet as she was walking in St Helens with her


grandmother. That was on Friday and she died in hospital the next stage


of her grandmother is now in a stable condition in hospital,


serious but stable. We know that Merseyside Police released CCTV


images of two men fleeing the scene shortly afterwards. And there is an


image of a man that they want to trace. What happened is that Alicia


McAteer recognised her son, 23-year-old Aiden McGeady, and she


recognised the picture and she now says that she wants him to come


forward. What I'm feeling is dreadful. But I wake up and the


first thought is that family. And Aidan coming home is not going to


make it better, nothing is ever going to make it better for that


family. But maybe they could get a bit of relief, knowing that the


police have got him. Aidan knows how much I love him. And I know how much


he loves me. We can do this together. No-one else. I will get


him through this, with every last breath I've got, I will get him


through it. I'm not condoning anything, but what has happened has


happened, with him. And obviously, this family have got an horrific


time, an horrific life... She was a little girl, and never going to get


over that, ever. But if you come home, wherever he is, I will be


there every step of the way with him. So that was the mother of Aidan


McAteer. And this is the little girl who lost her life. What has her mum


said? Well, she has posted a message on Facebook Thomas Aiken, my


beautiful little girl has passed away in my arms. She says, though


she is heartbroken, she is very proud because her daughter was able


to donate some of her organs. There has been a court appearance, another


man has appeared before Liverpool Magistrate's Court, Dean Brennan,


charged with theft of a motor vehicle and assisting an offender.


And also a third man was arrested on suspicion of being, carrying a


stolen vehicle, but he has been released pending further enquiries.


Still to come: The high profile campaign to get us talking about


mental health. I came here and interviewed a person with depression


and I could see the person with depression looking at me and


thinking, you are way sicker than I am.


Plans to repatriate over 40 years worth of powers


from the European Union will start this morning with the publication


The Government paper intends to convert thousands of EU


House of Commons officials have described the process as one


of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.


David Davis explained how it would work. What it does is, 40 years of


European law, transfer that into UK law. It's not a straightforward


process but it is a limited process. We have to do that in a way that


works, so all the law works. That means when we start on the new trade


deal, we are many the same place as every other country in Europe. After


that, we'll have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other


things. That will be done substantially by Parliament.


There'll be a number of such laws I think. Parliament will make those


decisions. This is a big transformation. We shouldn't


underestimate that we've got a task to do. It's moment us to but it's


not beyond us. The Insurance Market,


Lloyd's of London, says it will open a new subsidiary in Brussels


in early 2019 because of It's concerned that once the UK has


left the EU it will lose the right to sell its products


across the single market. The Chief Executive said customers


shouldn't be worried about the move. Nothing to worry about. In fact it


helps secure the future of Lloyds. About 5% of our business is impacted


by the UK coming out of the EU and we want to be able to provide


continuous coverage and continue to issue insurance policies for


customers based in the EU hence the need to set up an EU subsidiary.


A privately-owned helicopter with five people on board has


The aircraft is believed to have been travelling


from Milton Keynes to Dublin, via Caernarfon Bay.


A land search is under way but the aerial search had to be


Health officials have published guidelines on the limits of sugar


they believe should be put on foods. It aims to cut the sugar consumed by


children by 20% this decade. Children consume three times more


sugar each day than they should, putting them at risk of serious


illnesses. More from me at 10. Thank you very much for your messages.


This tweet from Nina. When my partner showed he was


non-judgmental, understanding and saw me as a person, not as my eating


disorder, I was able to talk. And this from Simon, I left my mental


health conversation for nearly two decades too long but when I did, my


life began to improve immediately. I've got many more, keep them coming


in. I'm going to read quite a lot of them in the next half hour when we


talk about this. Before that, here is the sport.


Arsene Wenger refused to confirm whether he'll remain as Arsenal


Speaking at a press conference ahead of this weekend's match


against Manchester City, Wenger said he could be at the club


Britain's Jo Pavey says it's a bittersweet feeling to receive


a bronze medal from the 10,000 metres world championships in Japan


She's been upgraded after the athlete who took


the silver medal was retrospectively disqualified for doping.


Johanna Konta is into the semi finals of the Miami Open


after beating Simona Halep in three sets.


She'll face Venus Williams next in the last four, overnight.


And Manchester City's women take a one nil aggregate lead


into their Champions League quarter final second leg at home to Danish


It's City's first season in the competition.


How do you shatter the stigma around mental health?


One way is to simply talk about it according to the Duke and Duchess


of Cambridge and Prince Harry who've released a series of films as part


of their Heads Together mental health campaign.


We're going to talk to some of the people featured in those


films in just a moment; they're here in the studio talking


about the conversations they had with friends,


loved ones, and relatives about their own mental health


issues; but first here's one of the films commissioned


by the Royals, featuring former England cricketer Andrew Flintoff


I think I was born with anxiety. I was brought up by my grandmother, my


mum was 16 when I was born, my mum was the first person to leave when I


was a year old. I was 24 and my dad took his own life and it wasn't


until years later when I did a documentary for the BBC, I had a


conversation with my nan. It's weird this happened for the first time on


camera, but we spoke about it properly. I broke down. I was


petrified. It scared me, people are going to see me at my most


vulnerable in a way that I don't often see myself. But that


conversation changed everything because from that point everything


was out in the open and I was able to then talk to my friends about it


because my friends watched the programme. I knew that something's


not right for a long time. And I ran away from it. This is not me, this


is not happening. I bumbled on for a little bit. Then I started, you


know, living differently. I probably started to drink too much and tried


to escape how I was feeling. Then I did this documentary like you did


and I spoke to Ricky Hatton about this and Neil Lennon and Graham Dot,


the spooker player, I was listening to them identifying and thinking,


I've been through this. Ricky Hatton, actually you've gone through


this, you are one of the hardest people I know and you can talk about


it. I started thinking, if I start talking about problems, one, the


people who followed me through my career, they're going to turn their


backs on me because they think I'm one thing, everyone's going to think


differently. Did that happen? No! It was the complete opposite. It was


like, people come up to me and said, wow, and then they'd start telling


me about how they'd feel. I even had mates that I'd never think about. We


then had different conversations. You have to be honest. Then you have


a conversation with someone and you engage with what you are talking


about, you do unload everything and for me it's never planned, it always


just comes out at a random time but the feeling of relief afterwards...


It does feel like a weight's lifted, doesn't it? Yes. But the hardest


thing for me initially was the hardest thing. I don't talk, I'm


from the north of England, a working class family, we don't talk about


our feelings! Yes, yes, it was no different for me, a council estate


in East London, I'm from, it's not something you spoke about. To me it


seems a shame it's taken us all these years to be open and vocal


about things. It's crazy when it opens up, it just comes from being


vocal. That one time. It's made me a happier person. I have less downs


and more ups with being honest about how I feel. Andrew Flintoff and


Professor Green. Almost half of us have discussed


mental health issues recently, and 8 out of 10 who did,


thought the conversations That's according to a YouGov


survey for Heads Together. Opening up to someone for the first


time about a mental health issue Once that conversation


starts, it could be Let's talk to six people


who've taken that step. Paramedic Dan Farnworth


and his colleague Rich Morton, friends Anni Ferguson


and Naa-Affie Delalande-Zankor and husband and wife,


Julie and Phil Eaglesham. And jst to say our conversations


this morning are going to be frank open and you might find


some details upsetting. Welcome all of you. Thank you so


much for coming on the programme. Dan, what were the warning signs


that something was wrong? For me, it was probably a six-month period of


slow decline. It related to flashbacks from a traumatic incident


that we attended at work which was ultimately the murder of a child


which for anybody would be really difficult to contend and deal with.


But for me, I was having vivid flashbacks, I was having nightmares.


During the day I'd find myself sat there, the TV would be on, I would


be staring at the wall, I wouldn't be talking to anybody, I'd just be


thinking about what had happened. I felt myself slowly getting into a


deeper and darker hole. It got to the point where I felt the world was


passing by above my head. That's where you came in really and the


conversation started. I knew I needed help. I was really scared of


opening up and talking about mental health. I was scared that that would


mean I couldn't do my job any more which is absolutely not the case. I


was scared to open up to my wife, I was scared that she'd think it was a


sign of weakness, you know, how can our men be like that, we are there


to drive everything forward and support the family, how can I admit


there was a problem. So I sent you a text didn't I mate and it developed


from there. You eventually wrote a text, deleted it, wrote it again,


deleted it and it was the third time I think... It was scary. Then you


shoved your phone under the pillow because you didn't know what the


response would be? I was scared. I was admitting for the first time to


somebody that I had an issue, that I needed help. And Rich, what was your


response? I'll come round, have a chat, but it was quite a big deal


for me to get back to you and think about what I'm going to expect when


I get there and what to say to you. So I maybe seen a difference at


work, change in appearance and mood. Normally laughing and joking, but he


went reclusive. I knew something was up because we'd been good friends


for about six-and-a-half years. To actually go round there, I was quite


anxious myself, how do I instigate this conversation. But for me it was


just listen. I know that my feelings weren't, or my anxiety was nowhere


near as much as Dan would be feeling at that time. What did you say to


him? I opened up. It was the hardest conversation I've ever had. But as


soon as Rich arrived at the door, I felt like the weight of the world


was instantly lifted. The relief I already felt before I started


speaking and the funny thing is, I already knew what I had to do, I


just needed somebody to tell me that what I wanted to do was the right


thing and to be there to support me. That was all it took. It changed


everything. Honestly, it was the first day of the rest of my life


talking to Rich about my problems. It's a conundrum, but when we talk


about this, you know, two heads are better than one when it comes to


mental health and this's absolutely the case and it's so true.


Definitely. Wow. I mean, it's really powerful just hearing you two recall


that time and how you say that was the kind of start of the change just


taking that step. Annie, hello. Hi. You were on what should have been a


really fantastic girls holiday in Barcelona. Yes. Tell me what


happened on the beach? Well, Barcelona is my favourite city and


we'd had such a great day, our first day there. We'd had a lot of great


food and a few drinks and it was a couple of hours before the sun set


so we went down to the sun loungers. All of a sudden, I just kind of


crashed and I felt that familiar kind of dark cloud come over me. I


was really frustrated. All our friends were having a good time and


I felt like, why can't I have a good time, why is this happening again,


I'd kind of run away from London so that, you know, I'd be in my


favourite city and be happy. Sometimes I felt like, you know, I


could lose friendships or I was behaving Strangly because I hadn't


expressd to anybody about how I felt and how I saw the world a lot.


That's when I decided to just go to Naaffi and have a conversation with


her about how I was feeling. What did you say? I recognised the signs


having been through something similar myself. I recognised she was


depressed. This time she was owning it, she was the one saying, this is


my last resort, I need to get this off my chest and express how I feel.


So it was firstly I felt honoured that she had that trust in me to


confide in me, then it was just helping and guiding her and letting


her know that you weren't alone, that you've got your friends, your


support network with your family or whoever. But just really to have


that support and actually say to her, what you're feeling at this


moment in time is yours. What was the first thing you said because


people don't know how to express it sometimes. What did you actually


say? I just said I wasn't having a good time, I apologised for bringing


the mood down. I said, I need help, how can I not be having a good time


here. Remained me Rich, of the words tonne text? Can you come round, I


need a chat. Simple as that? It was so simple. Put the kettle on, I'm on


my way, and the relief was unbelievable. It's just taking that


step. It really was the most difficult step to take. But the best


step you ever will take. OK. We are going to hear from Phil and Julie in


a moment and Cooper the dog can make another appearance:th. I want you


all to take a look at this film, Ruby Wax and her husband, Ed. They


talk about the moment when she told him about the state of her mental


health. Secondly that I have been married


twice before. And thirdly, that I was mentally ill. Which one was the


head bash? All three Cilic was like a concussive blow. You can imagine a


grenade went off, and then it had sudden... Then I started laughing.


You laughed. And then I signed the register, best wishes, Ruby wax! And


then we never mentioned it again. No, not really. Did it ever scare


you that I had said that? It wasn't a huge surprise. But it sort of does


things like,, yeah, that might explain this or that. This was when


I knew that you were the best news ever, I had to interview somebody


who was mentally ill in a hospital. Everybody in the institution said,


are you insane? They all cheered me as I left, and then I came here and


interviewed a person with depression. And I could see the


person with depression looking at me and thinking, you are away sick than


I am! And then everybody clapped. Whenever you got depression, you


could see there was a sort of panic because of the confusion about what


was happening in your head. If you're close to somebody with


depression, you've got to help them make the first move, to understand


that they are sick. In your case, it is to be amongst people who suffer


the same thing, so they can compare notes and talk to each other and


support each other. I have seen you talk to other people who have


depression, it is kind of like a unique club. I'm only relieved,


really, when I'm with other people that have mental illness. If I see


the eyes of another, we have this understanding, and that's the


healing. Ruby wax and her husband. Phil I don't think it was your


wedding day when you opened up to Julie, but tell me how can Julie


first discovered you were struggling? I think it went back to


when I had a moment, we were away in Jersey, it was a respite holiday


with the Marines and I started to struggle with being able to get


places, and my disability and being in a wheelchair and things like


that. We ended up coming back and having a family holiday, and Julie


did some research on how I could overdose, or what would be the best


way. And stupidly I probably left it on the iPad and she found it. And


from there, she never let me out of her sight for about six months! I


can't imagine how you would have felt, having seen that your husband


was researching ways to end his life? I was deeply saddened, I was


hurt, I was angry. I thought, how could he contemplate doing something


like this? Did he not think about us? But then it came back to me


realising that he was just thinking about ending the pain he was in, and


struggling to deal with how he was struggling with his own emotions. I


was a different person, really. A completely different person for a


few years, someone I did not even recognise. The things I was saying


didn't make sense to anyone. Like what? I think for that six months


before we actually told someone, I was trying to tell people but not


knowing whether people could understand. Everything I said I


understood in my head but no-one could understand a word. It wasn't


the accent, it was more to do with how I was saying things! Then I


became reclusive, and the more it got worse. Sitting in my seat,


curtains closed, making excuses for everything, just didn't leave the


house. Yes, didn't tell anyone. Julie would hurt herself lifting me


up and I thought I was a burden on her and the kids, not being able to


get on with their life. I thought it would be better at that stage if I


wasn't around. But it's not true. She is stuck with me unfortunately


now. But it was a long period that you wouldn't allow me to tell


anyone. And I think that was through fear of being ashamed. Ashamed, I


thought I was weak. There's that whole stigma around mental health.


If that stigma wasn't there, and what this campaign is trying to do,


I would not have got to that point where I tried to end my life.


Thankfully we've got... Unfortunately, we've got friends and


family who have suffered, and people who are not here today. It is


important to me to get rid of that stigma so that I never go back there


myself, but also my kids and my friends are my family. In the end, I


think you posted on Facebook and you did talk to your best friend, and


then you two had a conversation. Was that the order of it? Yes, I talked


to my best friend at the time, I can't even remember what I said, it


was just, I tried to kill myself. And I think it affected him


massively. This does not affect me, it affects everybody outside of the


family. The next day we told a medical team. I still think we


hadn't talked about it as a Matip was still too difficult to talk to


Julie about. The team recognised I think the symptoms and the warning


signs. But didn't realise how bad Philip had got because he had become


reclusive and wasn't talking to anyone and wasn't letting out how


things truly were. People judge with their eyes, and that is how we live


as a society. We can understand what we see. Because we can't see mental


health, we don't know how people react to it. And that's a big fear.


That it is a physical problem that we are dealing with and getting over


that is very important. We have had some anime messages. I don't


underestimate what it takes for you to talk about this on national


television, and also what it takes for our audience to get in touch and


share their experiences. John says... I had a lady who approached


me as a martial arts instructor, she needed to learn to defend herself


against her ex-husband who was regularly hurting her with beeping


is beatings. She needed help badly. We have now been happily married for


28 years. She still battles her mental health demons and life is not


always easy for her but we love each other more as each day goes by. She


is proof that you can improve your mental health if you take the right


steps and get help. Wow! Pat says this, and this is where you may be


able to help. My 20-year-old granddaughter has been suffering


from depression, night terrors, suicidal thoughts and anxiety. It


started when she was 17. Last year she tried to take her own life.


Apparently part of her treatment is to write a blog. And this went out


yesterday on her Facebook page. We has her grandparents are unsure how


we can help her. Can anyone give us some guidance on doing this? We are


worried and we want to be supported grandparents. What would you say? I


think it's just to be open with her. There is a stigma around the old and


the bold, where we don't talk about it, and it is not an actual fact


that there. But the main thing is, it's not a weakness in anyone. We've


always said, and the people here, dare anyone say that we are weak


now, because the things we have gone through in the past, I am actually


probably a stronger person now than I have ever been. So she will come


out the other end a stronger and better person. So when you say to


Pat, the open with her 20-year-old granddaughter, does that mean


picking up the phone and texting, and saying, do you want to talk to


me, I am here? Yes. I think that blog will be... There will be some


hurtful things in it. Reading that is going to wound whoever loves her.


So I think ultimately what they have to do is read it and not take it as


a criticism, but maybe just turn around and say, OK, we have got the


bigger picture here, we are beginning to understand where she's


coming from, and then offer the support from there. Also, allow her


to say it, because she is not internalising, so allow her to say


whatever is on her mind truly you have to realise as well, you take it


out on your nearest and dearest. I took it out on Julie and my kids.


That was where I was safe to get angry or whatever. So if she gets


angry at her, don't take it personally. It's actually a


condiment because that is who you are more comfortable with. Can I


asked specifically about mental health issues the team it is taboo,


you don't talk about the words depression in your community? Not


really. Why? It seems that mental health issues are an extreme thing.


Especially coming from an African, Ghanaian community, which we both


do, everybody is very supported if, if you say you're depressed or you


have mental health issues, but depression is not necessarily a word


or a concept that we like to use. If you were brought up here, your


parents or a lot of your family struggled back home, and it kind of


seems ungrateful. How can you possibly be depressed in the fifth


richest economy in the world, sort of thing? Yes, what could possibly


be wrong with you? And I think that is a big thing. Also, because most


black people see mental health institutions through coercive means.


Perhaps maybe through prison or through hospital. And because we


don't go early and get help, it kind of escalates. And so, straightaway,


people are sectioned and there's a high amount of the black community


are sectioned. Prince Harry and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge


believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to mental health in


this country - do you agree? Absolutely, we have been in a


position where it has been a taboo subject for a long time. I think


ourselves included, who have experienced mental health problems,


can see the benefit of opening up and talking about it. I think now,


the whole of society is starting to recognise the importance of it but


we have got to really keep driving it and keep the conversation going


and let everybody know that it is important to talk. We understand the


power of that, and I think society as a whole is starting to understand


that. It has been really good that the royal foundation is supporting


this. Tipping point might be the accurate phrase, but there are still


some people who do not understand depression, anxiety, that it is a


real thing. This is from Ian, who texted. I am 35, I live in London, I


have had mental health issues for 20 years. I do believe people need to


open up but unfortunately the stigma still exists. I opened up to my boss


and team in a recent role in the City of London. It actually made


them put up barriers, it created silences. I even got the response


from one colleague who said, I don't talk about emotion and things, so


don't expect me to. It is fear. What should they do, find someone else to


talk to? Yes. I'm on my fourth psychologist. It took the fourth


one, I don't know what he done, whether it was voodoo or whatever.


It is not voodoo, we know that! I don't understand it, what that


talking therapy did, but it was the fourth person. And the point is,


don't give up. Let me read some more messages. Darren says, I am a mental


health nurse working for the NHS. Even us professionals don't talk


enough. In February a beautiful colleague of mine aged 23 took her


own life because of mental health problems. Even with all the experts


around her every day and her friends, no-one knew the pain she


was experiencing. We all need to talk more and be open and honest. It


is her funeral tomorrow. I love her and I miss her dearly. Stuart says,


coming to terms with anxiety and depression was not only difficult


for me to understand but after a few years of feeling alone in thinking


that I was weird and different, I decided to speak to my mum and close


friends and they helped me in the right direction. You go through


stages feeling like you are in the dark and there is no way, but


suddenly, there is light and hope. Have to remember that talking helps,


action to help yourself will also help you. Can you relate to that,


the dark and then the light? I think we all put on some kind of disguise,


a smile when people are around. For me, being in the military, I was


always clean-shaven, and my beard became my disguise, so people would


not recognise me and ask me how I was, so I did not have to put a


smile on. I am sure people here have had that as well. The facade you put


on, the act you put on, to relate to everyday life in situations. It is


just that, it is a mask. It's going to crumble, you need to feel it. I


think even more so in our job is in we are there to look after people.


You don't want to have this facade on that you are well yourself. There


is a big thing in the emergency services. The same in the NHS. You


put your uniform on, it is not a cloak of armour, its not going to


stop you being affected by what you're dealing with. Same for the


Armed Forces. It is a taboo, that we think, this will protect us. It


genuinely will not, and that's why we need to start the conversation,


like Darren said, within the health care industry, we all need to start


looking after ourselves, as well as others. Thank you all of you for


coming in. And thanks to Cooper, we would not have known there was a dog


in the studio! What a beautiful animal! Thank you for bringing him


in as well. Thank you all of you. We can bring you the latest weather


now. There is some good news on the


weather front today, and some news that is not so great. We have some


cloud and rain across western parts of the UK. But the other side of the


country is warming up, so, a tale of two halves today. This is the


weather front. Notice these yellow and orange colours, indicating the


temperature, showing that these up and coming from the south is warm.


This is the satellite picture of the cloud and rain that we have observed


over the last few hours. And this is the warm air wafting up from the


south. For today, we're talking about cloudy skies and some rain


across western areas. Starting with Scotland, because this is where the


air is a little bit fresher today. Bits of rain in Northern Ireland. It


is wet across the Lake District. A bit of rain across western Wales and


down into the south-west of England. A large chunk of England, the


weather is not looking bad at all. Quite a big cut-off there between


the warm and the cooler air. Top temperatures today I think, 22


degrees, in London. A very warm day for this time of the year.


him about the state of her mental health.


Tonight a mild night. Into tomorrow, in the morning there'll be some


cloud and rain but it tends to brighten up a little in the


afternoon. I think somewhat fresher tomorrow, typically around 15, 16.


Again, still a bit of cloud and rain across the north and west. Now the


weekend - looking mixed, that is for sure. On Saturday it's a mixture of


sunshine and April showers. We are into April. Then on Sunday, high


pressure builds once again from the south. You can see it's nosing up


from the south. That means the weather will dry out, there'll be


light winds, more sunshine around, not sky high temperatures, but for


most around 15, but just about 17 there in London. The outlook for


next week is looking relatively promising. Let's get through the


weekend first of all and today of course, enjoy it. Bye.


Hello it's Thursday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.


In just over an hour's time we'll find out the Government's plan


to convert tens of thousands of EU rules into British law


as it publishes details of the Great Repeal Bill.


And we'll be looking specifically at employment law and what kind


Ministers deny Theresa May's threatening to blackmail Europe by


ending security cooperation unless we get a trade deal.


And we'll be looking specifically at employment law and what kind


of working environment we want to create in this country.


We'll look into mental health, we have films on mental health and


we've been hearing how important it is to tell those close to you how


you feel. I I opened up. It was the hardest conversation I'd ever had


but as soon as Rich arrived, I felt the weight had been instantly


lifted. I kind of said, I'm not having a good time, I apologised for


my behaviour because I felt like I was bringing the mood down and I


just said, I need help, how can I not be having a good time here. You


can get in touch and tells your own experiences this morning.


If you humiliate ex-lovers with revenge porn should you go to jail?


In certain circumstances yes, according to new


We'll be discussing what those are and hearing from a woman


who thinks her former partner's sentence didn't reflect


Here is Annita with a summary of the day's news.


Plans to repatriate more than forty years worth of powers


from the European Union will start this morning with the publication


The government paper intends to convert thousands of EU


House of Commons officials have described the process as one


of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.


Retired college lecturer, Neil Conway has lost his High Court bid


to challenge the law on assisted dying. That just in.


The Insurance Market, Lloyd's of London, says it will open


a new office in Brussels in early 2019.


Lloyds says it's concerned that once the UK has left the EU,


it will lose the right to sell its products


across the single market, but its Chief Executive said


customers shouldn't be concerned about the move.


Nothing to worry about. In fact it strengthens our business. We want to


be able to provide continuous coverage and continue to issue


insurance policies for customers based in the EU hence the need to


set up a subsidiary. A helicopter has gone missing. The


aerial search has been suspended due to poor wealth but the land search


continues. Holly Hamilton is in Caernarfon. Weather conditions is


not improved since that search was called off here late last night. We


are waiting for an update on that operation to find out when it will


resume on the search for that missing helicopter. We know that it


left Milton Keynes shortly before midday yesterday morning. It was due


to stop here in Caernarfon, it does not arrive, all contact was lost and


there were no sightings so the UK coastguard was informed immediately.


That search operation was launched just after 4 yesterday afternoon.


That involved two coastguard helicopters that searched across


North Wales right across to Dublin, but because of the poor weather and


the poor visibility here, that search was called off late last


night. Now, North Wales police have resumed the search today on ground,


they've called in Mountain Rescue Teams across Snowdonia, they're


focussing their search on that area. At the minute, we know very little


about the five individuals who're on board that aircraft. We know that it


was a privately-owned twin red helicopter. Members of the public


have been asked to dial 999 if they saw that red helicopter yesterday


afternoon. We are waiting for an update on when the search will


resume. They've said they are unable to start that search again while the


weather remains like this. Unless anything changes, there'll be no


updates in the next while. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge


and Prince Harry have released a series of films as part


of their Heads Together campaign designed to encourage people to talk


about mental health. The project aims to help end


the stigma around mental health. The former England cricket


captain Andrew Flintoff and the rapper Professor Green,


were among the celebrities who've The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,


will hold talks today with senior executives from social media


companies and internet She'll urge them to do more to help


combat terrorist activity. The meeting was arranged


before last week's terror That's a summary of the latest BBC


News, more at 10.30. Thank you to Phillipa who texted


saying, I was able and capable up until two years ago, I never felt


I'd be mentally ill. I've been well supported by friends and family and


the NHS. Since revealing my condition, many friends have


admitted they also struggle with it. It's much more common than we think.


Thank you very much. Do get in touch with us through the next hour of the


programme. You don't have to use your name but


I'm interesting to hear about the conversations you've had about your


mental health, particularly the first conversation.


We're hanging on for a decision from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger


And we're still in suspense, because Wenger refused to confirm


He's been under increasing pressure in recent months,


with Arsenal sitting sixth in the Premier League and four


Here is what he said. I'm very clear in my mind, but anyway, I stay two


months, two years, my commitment will be the same all the time. The


time I've spent here is not influencing my attitude.


Well our reporter David Ornstein was at that press


conference and David, Wenger, seemed very relaxed.


What wiz his demeanour like? He was the most comfortable in a pre-match


news conference that I've seen him in quite a while. He looked


refreshed after the last game, plenty of laughs. I think we know


the direction in which we could be travelling here. It seems that


Arsene Wenger wants to stay as Arsenal manager, the club want him


to remain as Arsenal manager. We have known for a while that there's


been a contract offer on the table for him, a two-year deal. That's


perhaps why he mentioned two months or two years. He also said that it's


not completely sorted out yet. That's why I don't think this is set


in stone, it could go the other way depending on the atmosphere around


the fan base and the result. They play Manchester City at the weekend


and the FA Cup semi-finals towards the end of April, so it looks like


Wenger is probably going to stay as Arsenal manager, sign a new deal,


but that is not set in stone. It's not just speculation about his


future but the future of Alexi Sanchez. He said he's happy but


wants to be at a club with a winning mentality. What do you make of that?


Will we see Sanchez in an Arsenal shirt next season? Wenger was asked


what he made of those quotes which came from Chile where he was away.


Wenger urged caution on the quotes but he said he takes them in a very


positive way, tongue-in-cheek, there's only one team in London so


he's happy is. I think personally he's happy here, I hope he will


stay. You have to be very cautious when people give interviews in their


home country. Now, he also spoke about how in the past Arsenal have


had to sell some of their best players, the likes of van Persie and


Fabregas, was that's not the case any more, he said, and they can keep


hold of them. He reiterated that he hopes Sanchez and Ozil will sign new


contracts. And the demeanour that Wenger gave off suggested he's


pretty confident that both will stay. But it's a crucial two months


now for Arsenal's season and you suppose that could make or break the


future of both Wenger, Sanchez and Ozil. Crucial indeed. Thank you,


David. More sport later. Today Prime Minister Theresa May


will publish details of her plans for what's called


the Great Repeal Bill although it should perhaps be called


the Great Retention Bill because it's all about importing


and retaining thousands and thousands of EU laws


but enshrining them in British law. This process will have consequences


for almost every sector of British business because it will allow


the government to decide what maternity pay, holiday pay


and pensions will look like. Our Political Guru Norman Smith


is in Westminster. This is a huge job to download all


the laws isn't it? It's massive, Vic. I mean, I can't recall anything


as big as that in recent years. I mean, if you think we have been a


member of the EU for over 40 years, during that time there have been


thousands upon thousands, someone estimated 80,000 different EU rules,


regulations, directives, all of which are now going to have to be


rewritten so they apply in British law. So there's a massive


undertaking and it's going to eat up a huge amount of Parliamentary time.


That probably means there isn't going to be much scope for the


Government to be able to do anything else because so much of its


legislative energy will be devoted to this. It also leaves open the


possibility that if MPs wanted to cause Mrs May grief, this Bill, as a


vehicle for Brexit mutiny, it has the potential for MPs who want to


cause trouble to cause trouble. Now, I don't think that's likely to


happen because in the really contentious areas around say


employment law or environment law, the Government already said don't


worry, all that is going to go into British law exactly the same. If you


listen to the man who used to be in charge of the admin of Commons


business, the Clerk to the Commons, this morning he was warning that


getting this done could take years after we have even left the EU. It


won't just be two years. How long will it be? It could go on for a


decade, the tidying up, the instant or the Brexit day arrangements have


obviously got to be made because that is an unmissable deadline, but


there'll be an awful lot to do after that.


Interesting. What is the reaction in Europe about the idea that Mrs May


is trying to potentially or suggesting linking security


cooperation to a trade teal? You know, interestingly, we had that


very conciliatory tone from Theresa May yesterday, the one thing that


really jarred, the real snapth snag, was that linkage around security


cooperation and a future Brexit trade deal. -- the real snag. The


fire hose has been trying to dampen down the fact that they think this


is blackmail central. If a way, when you think about it, they couldn't


really do that. Could you imagine Britain not passing on information


about terrorism and security threats to other EU countries, it's not


really a runner. The point of it was more to sort of politely remind the


rest of the EU of the benefits Britain brings to Europe. I don't


think it was meant as a threat. Listening to David Davis this


morning, in fact, you get the sense that they are determined, not just


to maintain good relations with the rest of Europe, but to do so in


order to ensure what they're hoping is going to be an incredibly


generous and big deal. Have a listen to Mr Davis. The classical approach


for a politician doing a negotiation is to reduce expectation. That's


what people think is the sophisticated way. We are playing


for the national interest here. I'm aiming as high as conceivably


possible. I want the best possible benefits from the European Union,


I'm not going to apologise for aiming for that. Achieving it of


course is a matter of negotiation and negotiations are uncertain, but


that's what we are aiming at. There will have to be big


compromises and concessions. The difficulty faced by Theresa May is,


she will have to bring her package back to Westminster to sell out to


her backbenchers, and of course to ask other public.


Some of Europe's leaders will be discussing Brexit amongst other


things in Malta this morning. What kind of mood do you think they are


in? I mean, there has been discussion of this potential link


between security and trade, but overall, I think when they read the


letter, there was the regret that we finally are leaving. And secondly, a


sense of relief in many ways. The overall tone of the letter was


actually pretty conciliatory, we need to work together, we need to


get a deal which works for everyone. Was none of this, no deal is better


than a bad deal, which we had heard from Teresa me before. What they are


trying to do now is to work out exactly what their first formal


response to the letter will be. Donald Tusk has said that by about


this time tomorrow, he will release draft guidelines which will be


debated in the other 27 Z and agreed in a month's time. Those guidelines


will form the basis for the way the European Commission negotiates with


the UK over the next few months. One thing we heard yesterday from Angela


Merkel and I suspect she will repeat it when she speaks in the building


here later today is that we do have to work on the principles of the


divorce agreement first. That doesn't mean we have to cross every


T and not every i. But we have to agree on that first. After that, we


can then move on to talk about the things which the UK really wants to


talk about, which is the future relationship, and trade and so


forth. So there will be some disagreement about the structure of


the talks, but I don't think it will necessarily be insurmountable.


Reuters reporting, you may know about this, that Francois Hollande,


outgoing French president, has found Teresa me to say pretty much what


you have just said, that the talks must first be about the terms of


withdrawal, dealing with citizens rights and obligations and


commitments of the UK. Yeah. Everything I have heard is


that people in the of EU are pretty united on this point, that this is


the way they want it to be structured. In other words the


commission would be pretty much forbidden to talk about trade at


this stage. David Davis may say, we want to talk about trade now. But Mr


Barnier will say, I've got no mandate to talk about that. We have


to talk about the rights of EU citizens, and UK citizens elsewhere


in the EU, the divorce bill, and possibly also the border between the


Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. It is the only land border


between the UK and a country which will remain in the EU. I think the


European leaders are very aware of the need to address that early on.


Let's talk about workers' rights, then. Much of the rights in this


country are under EU law. They will be downloaded, copied and pasted,


however you want to say it, into British law. Or will they? It is a


concern for some people that not everything will be enshrined.


We speak to Jane Malyon, a small business owner that


employs five people, Schona Jolly who is a leading


employment rights barrister and the TUC's employment rights


Good morning, all of you. Hannah Reed, do you have any concerns?


Well, the Prime Minister has made a commit and, a promised in public,


that all rights from Europe will be protected and will be enshrined in


UK law through the Great Repeal Bill. We will of course be getting


the terms of that bill to make sure that every right is there. What


we're saying to the government is, we need further assurances, that


those rights will be protected for the long-term, and also that the UK


doesn't fall behind the rest of our European partners. UK workers


deserve the same rights as German workers, as those in France, Spain


and Italy. What kind of rights are you talking about? Well, many of us


probably don't realise that many of the rights we presume we have, we


expect we have, come from Europe. The right to paid holidays, the


right for equal treatment for agency workers, the rights for women who


are pregnant to have paid time off to attend antenatal appointments,


and also important and the discolouration laws, making sure


that LGBT workers, black and ethnic minority workers, disabled workers,


are not discrimination against in the workplace. Do you have concerns,


Schona Jolly? I think there are a variety of really serious concerns.


You have Theresa May saying, of course workers' rights will be


protected. On the other hand, you have this great red tape challenge.


And you have a lot of the reasons given by the pro-wreck camp as being


directed. So you have that threat of the regulation, which we have heard


reiterated by Prime Minister may herself. -- by the pro-Brexit camp.


There is an inherent contrition and we have to see how they will square


that circle. But there is also another concern. What we've lost, or


what we will lose by the time that we Brexit, is the protection of the


European institutions, the European laws, they are our floor, they are


not a ceiling, they are a floor. What that means is that we will


never stopped from protecting workers' rights in greater detail.


But what we were stopped from was diminishing them below that floor.


Now, once the Great Repeal Bill is through, once Brexit has taken


place, in 2019 or whenever that is, it is likely that the Government


will then have a sort of pick and mix approach to the laws that


currently have been protected by Europe, that favour workers. So it's


not just about what happens today in this white paper, it's not about


even what happens by 2019, it is about safeguarding the future. Jane,


tell us about the business that you run, Jane Malyon? I run the English


cream tea company out in Essex and we send out afternoon tea hampers


all over Great Britain, the sort that you would get in a London


hotel, that type of afternoon tea, but we also export the delights of


afternoon tea, except of course leaving out the cream and the


sandwiches that would go off before it arrives in America and Australia.


As an employer, in a small business, you have five members of staff, are


there some EU laws that protect workers' rights that you would


actually like to see junked because you regard them as bureaucratic?


Yes. I can put on both hats because I am also a mother, and I have got


sons out of employment, and I want them to have rights. Of course I


love our employees and we want them to be well looked after. But as a


micro-business, some of the laws are very own response on us and would


stop us being able to expand at times. Give us an example. Well,


we've just been through maternity leave with one of our lovely ladies,


and so we want her to be well looked after, and of course, we did


everything we could to help her with her maternity leave but she took a


full year off. And for a tiny business, and at the time she was


one third of our staff, we have expanded since. And so we were left


floundering, not really able to replace her. You have to be careful


with what you're doing. We don't want to go trick or tribunal, and we


want to be fair to her and she is fantastic. But it left us limping


for a year. And so the laws which could apply to larger companies who


could perhaps cope much better with losing a third of their workforce


surely shouldn't apply so rigorously two tiny little businesses? Let me


be clear about that, are you saying that if you're a small business


with, say, five members of staff, or three, as it was, women should have


reduced but energy leave? No, I would like more government help for


the business to support worker in that situation. OK, but you can


claim back the maternity pay that you pay her? You can but it doesn't


cover everything, it really doesn't. What are the other costs, then? It's


covered all the basics, it certainly didn't cover her going off for


medical and so on, and then the holiday leave and the bank holidays


that have had to be accounted for, going forward. So it just didn't


feel like we work with pro Crowe at all. I am sorry to interrupt, I am


just trying to establish the facts - it didn't feel like it was quid pro


quo, but was it? No, I don't believe so. Did you check the box? My


husband runs that side of it, I'm sorry we have not got him sitting


here to answer that. But we have really struggled with this. And do


you think you would still be saying that if you had found someone to


replace that woman? That wouldn't be appropriate because she is coming


back to work as of next week and off we go again. I mean replaced the 12


months, it is a long time to struggle on? It is and we took on


various part-timers but it is never the central it takes a few weeks for


them to hit the ground running and absorb what they have to do. And you


might not get the same commitment from somebody who is only going to


be with you for a short space of time. Hannah Reed, Schona Jolly, a


reaction to that? We believe employment rights are very important


for working people. People would be very hard-pressed to find anyone who


voted to leave the European Union because they wanted to see fewer


worker rights. We recognise that there may be a case for greater


support for small businesses from the Government, for individuals who


take maternity leave and who take time off. But more importantly we


would argue that everybody, regardless of whether you work for a


small large business, should get basic and settlements, including the


ability to take maternity leave. Obviously, there are government


agencies which can support small businesses to help them to recruit


to cover maternity leave. I think what's very interesting about those


comments are that Jane is not asking actually for maternity provisions to


be reduced, she's actually asking the government help. I think that


probably just makes Hannah Reed's point, that actually people are not


looking for a reduction in workers' rights. And so there really does


need to be commitment not just now but beyond 2019 for those rights to


be protected. Thank you all. Good luck with the business. Thank you


very much for all your comments about the conversations you have had


about mental health and your own experiences. This e-mail from


Carol... I'm almost 63 and I've had depression and anxiety for as long


as I can remember. I was born in 1954, my father was a violent


alcoholic. My mum also drank. They both smoked and neither of them


showed us any love. I can only describe my childhood as a refuge of


I'm so glad that people are bringing this situation into the present day


and encouraging others to talk about it. I hope future generations will


get the care and support that my family never got. Sharon says...


Because of the stigma around mental health, my 15-year-old daughter


tried to take her life to stop the voices in her head. I believe if


mental health was talked about more in school, children like my daughter


might not struggle as much and for as long. She's now diagnosed with


psychosis, paranoid episodes and depression. It's going to be a long


road but her mental health team are very good. Thank you very much for


those. I've got so many, I will try to read as many as I can before the


end of the programme. If you want to talk to somebody, if you're


experiencing mental health issues, then you can get more information


and support and advice from the BBC's Action line page. Still to


come... The story of the leading Bitcoin developer who went to fight


in Syria. And should you be jailed for revenge pornography? We will


speak to one young woman who thinks her ex wasn't punished enough.


Plans to repatriate more than forty years worth of powers


from the European Union will start this morning with the publication


The Government paper intends to convert thousands of EU


House of Commons officials have described the process as one


of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.


Brexit Secretary David Davis explained how it will work.


What it does first off so that people understand, it takes all of


the 40 years of European law up to the point when we leave and it puts


it into UK law. That is not a straightforward process but it's a


limited process. We do that in a way that it work, so a that all the law


continues to work. That means when we start on the EU trade deal, we


are in the same place as every other country in Europe. After that, we'll


have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other


things and that will be done substantially by Parliament, though


there'll be a number of such laws I think. Parliament will make those


decisions. This is a big transformation. We shouldn't


underestimate that we've got a task to do. It's moment us to but it's


not beyond us. The Insurance Market,


Lloyd's of London, says it will open a new office in Brussels


in early 2019. Lloyds says it's concerned that once


the UK has left the EU, it will lose the right


to sell its products A retired college lecturer


who is terminally ill has lost a High Court bid to challenge


the law on assisted dying. Neil Conway, who is 67 and has


motor neurone disease, says the 1961 Suicide Act


condemns him to an undignified Some news just in. A man has been


arrested in Dudley after three members of same family were found


stabbed at their home. Police were called to an address in Stourbridge


where they found a man, woman and boy with serious injuries. A car


stolen from outside the house was stopped by police and a man in his


20s was arrested. More on that developing story as we get it. A


privately owned helicopter with five people on board has disappeared over


North Wales. It's believed to have been travelling from Milton Keynes


to Dublin via Caernarfon bay. A land search is under way but the aerial


search has been suspended due to poor wealth. Organisers of the


Oscars say they'll continue to work with the accountancy firm PWC


despite the mistake which led to La La Land being wrongly announced as


winner of Best Picture instead of Moonlight. This is the moment


Hollywood realised someone didn't follow the script last month to make


sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year there'll be an


extra accountant on hand and electronic devices will be banned


backstage. That's a summary of the latest


news - join me for BBC We're hanging on for a decision


from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger And we're still in suspense,


because Wenger refused to confirm He's been under increasing


pressure in recent months, with Arsenal sitting sixth


in the Premier League and four Jo Pavey says it's a bitter sweet


feeling to receive a medal ten years after the race. She was upgraded


after the athlete who took the silver was disqualified for doping.


Johanna Konta is into the semi-finals of the him Mile Open.


She'll face Venus Williams next in the last four, to be played


overnight. Manchester City's women take on a 1-0 aggregate lead into


the Champions League quarter-finals second leg at home to Danish side


Fortuna. Best of luck to them. That's all the sport.


Police can face a backlog of up to five months to analyse computers


linked to suspected paedophiles, a report by an MP has found.


Ann Coffey highlighted the delays as part of a study into child sexual


The report found the number of "known or suspected" child sex


offenders in the region had risen to 1,139, double the number


Probably worth reminding our audience in terms of what you found


in the report, then we can compare and contrast.


What I found was that there were attitudes which blamed the children


for their own sexual exploitation. Some were seen as prostitutes, some


were seen as making a lifestyle choice. Of course, that created


barrier, because victims, if they feel they are not going to be


blamed, are not going to come forward and say they've been


sexually abused. So I looked at some aspects of that report and found


that there was a greater awareness and understanding of child sexual


exploitation among the police, other agencies and the public. That of


course has led to a higher level of reporting of child sexual offences


against children which is shocking when it begins to reveal the extent


of child abuse in Greater Manchester and probably they're still


unreported particularly in relation to child sexual ex-employmentation


of boys. But that increase in the number of people reporting is a good


thing, however it has a knock-on effect for the police and the


resources they can put to this crime and what has been the knock-on oaf?


-- child sexual exploitation. 85% of Child Exploitation begins


online. Now, it's very important to disrupt that activity quickly


because the paedophiles can contact many, many, many children. So any


delay in seizing their computer, examining the evidence, prosecuting


them, means that other children are put in danger. So it's very, very


important that the police have the resources to disrupt this activity


by these paedophiles. According to your report, bliss received just


over 10,000 pieces of intelligence between October 2014 and June 2016,


including anonymous tip-offs in terms of child sexual exploitation.


Almost half of those against girls and boys under the age of 13. If


they don't have the resources to disrupt, as you put it what the


paedophiles are doing, what will be the impact? Well, we really need to


prevent children being sexually abused. Of course, one of the most


important things to do is to give children information. So schools are


very important making sure that children have the information, the


knowledge, so that they understand when they are being groomed. They


themselves can disrupt the activity and reports it to the police. It's


important that the wider community protects children because the police


can't do it alone. This is why these 10,000 pieces of intelligence are


important coming from the community. It's important for the police to use


what they have at their disposal to disrupt activities by people they


suspect trying the groom children to sex abuse them. But the point is,


from what you have discovered, any delay in examining the devices, that


means that the paedophile is potentially continuing to groom and


abuse other children? Of course. They'll continue to do it until


they're arrested and charged and until they're put on the Sex


Offenders' Register where they can be supervised and monitored. So it's


critically important that the police get the resources so ensure that


they can disrupt the activity of paedophiles who're trying to contact


children online as quickly as possible. Of course, because there


is this kind of forensic evidence available on the computer, it leads


to a high number of prosecutions and convictions, meaning more children


are safe. Thank you very much.


Amir Taaki is a leading developer of the online currency Bitcoin.


But now he's revealed to the BBC that he has


been fighting in Syria, and is now under


So why would a computer hacker go to war?


I went there with the mindset that whatever I need to do, I'm willing


But I had to learn how to fight in the war.


What training did you have, and how were


I had no training, and I was given a Kalashnikov and four


The other foreigners, when we were on the way,


Amir Taaki is known for inhabiting the darkest corners of


A master of coding and a hacker, he gained fame building


software to enable anonymous transactions with Bitcoin,


potentially untraceable by governments and banks.


Bitcoin, just like the internet and these other


tools, it's one of these equalising technologies that everybody has


But now, Amir Taaki has revealed that in 2015 he travelled


to Syria and began fighting on the front lines


What had you told your family about where you were going?


I didn't tell them anything, because I didn't want


them to stop me, I didn't want them to tell the police.


So, why would a computer hacker go to war?


The Kurdish units Amir Taaki said he fought


with are recognised as the


West's most important ally in the deadly ground war against IS.


But the Kurds are also creating a new type


They say their revolutionary ideas are creating


communities much freer from state control.


And this, Amir Taaki says, is what inspired him to go.


There's this atmosphere in the Society of


people working for something bigger than themselves.


In the wake of IS terror, their vision, to live with


Eventually, Amir Taaki says he left the fighting and went on to develop


local projects with the Syrian Kurds.


We will build facilities to process collected waste, to make


low-cost, highly efficient fertiliser.


Like this crowdfunding campaign which he says raised money


and then built fertiliser factories to help Syrian farmers grow more


They're trying to create a people's economy, by the people, for


To help establish a decentralised economy, you need


This place is under embargo, so there's no way to


move money in and out, so we have to actually


create our own Bitcoin economy here if we want to establish


But keeping transactions secret has also led to


warnings that Bitcoin could be used to help money-laundering and


And when Amir Taaki returned to the UK, he found


his activities had raised the suspicions


of the authorities, which had a grave effect.


They stopped the plane, and they arrested me and


investigated me for one year under the terrorism act.


They confiscate phones and everything, and they have


an investigation against me that's open indefinitely.


Some might say you've been in a war zone, picked up


Isn't it right that the security services will have


to take an interest in someone like you and find


Sure, but there is a lot of foreigners have gone to join YPG.


Amir Taaki has spent the last 12 months on police bail.


You think, because of your skills as a hacker,


you think the authorities are taking a greater interest in you?


In the eyes of the law, have you become involved in Fort


In the eyes of the law, have you become involved in what


I don't support terrorism or terrorist acts.


Why not just use your other skills right from the start?


I went there with the idea that whatever is


You contributed to violence - how do you


I'm very proud of having fought against Isis.


You've been warned you risk breaking counterterror laws.


This could have very serious consequences for your


You know, if I have to go back, I'll go back.


You could work in Silicon Valley, you could have an


amazing career with your skills - why not take that route?


That's our objective as human beings.


But along with Amir Taaki's vision of a


new world, it's also clear his technology may be of use to


potential extremists as well as to the communities he is trying to


And Emma Vardy, who you saw in that report joins me now.


How many people go to Syria to fight IS?


It's just really difficult to know because some people are very public


about it and others are much more under the radar. Amir says he went


to fight with the YPG. Other people join other Kurdish groups called the


Peshmerga. The YPG claims hundreds of volunteers have fought with them,


people from all over the world. We know Canada, America and even


Australia. The Kurdish group is not banned


here, but that's not This is where it gets politically


difficult. Although the YPG are known to have been successful in


towns and villages, they've taken back IS-held territory, but the


Kurds also have a deep-rooted history of conflict with Turkey.


Turkey does consider the YPG a terror organisation, so for people


going to join this conflict, it's difficult territory. What do the


police say? They say again and again don't go to Syria and the Met Police


have issued warnings saying, if you play any role, you can expect to be


questioned at the very least when you come back. In a statement the


police told me those who've committed criminal offences can


expect to be prosecuted. However any December six on whether to


prosecution will be taken by the CPS on a case by case basis -- however


any decisions on whether to prosecute. It's difficult for us as


journalists to independently verify a story like Amir's and with him,


perhaps the Security Services aren't sure where to place him. We'll see


more cases like this to come. Thank you very much.


Thank you to Laura, who has e-mailed about mental health which we have


been talking a lot about this morning, because of a campaign led


by Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry. Laura says, I was


overjoyed to hear your programme this morning. I was a full-time


working single mum, earning a 6-figure salary, putting my son


through private school and doing bits of charity fundraising through


the marathon and things. Basically on the go, always busy and in pretty


good physical shape. Over a period of around 18 months, I suddenly


found myself struggling to make decisions, losing self-confidence


and generally thinking I was getting dementia. I was incredibly down and


had no-one to speak to. Eventually, on the last night of a holiday with


my son, I couldn't sleep and I sat bolt upright all night long. When I


got back from holiday I went to see my GP. And he simply suggested that


my life as it was was not sustainable. I finally felt like I


had permission to take my foot off the pedal. My lifestyle is very


different today but I am happy and I get to spend much more time now with


my ten-year-old son. My simple mission is to get women talking, and


if I can prevent one woman from going through what I did, all one


boss going through what my boss did, I will know I'm doing the right


thing. Thank you very much for that, Laura. Next on the programme...


For the victims, it's a devastating crime that has led to some people


Yet revenge pornography wasn't made a crime until April 2015.


It carries with it a maximum prison term of two years,


but today, for the first time, guidelines have been drafted


for courts dealing with those convicted of disclosing


Behaviour designed to cause maximum distress -


such as sending images to a victim's family who are very religious,


or to their young siblings - will be dealt with in


But are the sentences tough enough and will the guidelines


With us now are Dr Anne Olivarius, a lawyer who represents revenge porn


victims and Keeley Richards-Shaw, whose ex became the first person


to be convicted of revenge pornography under the new laws.


Thank you very much for talking to us. Starting with you, Keeley


Richards-Shaw, you and your ex have been separated for some time, and


you discovered after sometime separated, that he had photographs


of you naked, how did you discover this? Well, I was made aware by his


then girlfriend, who message me the pictures that he sent to her and


said, you need to know what he's doing, this is it. I saw them and I


did not even know that he had got these pictures. And he just wanted a


reaction from the, really, because I was ignoring him, he wanted a


reaction. And what did he do with the pictures, he shared them with


his then girlfriend and there was one large image and then there was a


laptop with about 15 other images on its. How did it make you feel?


Awful. I was embarrassed, I was degraded, I didn't really know what


to do. Fair enough, I know some people allow pictures to be taken in


relationships, but I would not allow that and I did not even know the


pictures had been taken, it was horrendous. It was part of a broader


pattern I think of behaviour from him, where he was trying to get a


reaction from you, or control you - what was it in the end that made you


want decide to go to the police? People had been saying for a while,


you need to go to the police because there was also stalking offences is


there as well. He would turn up at my house, he would follow me to


work. These pictures was the final thing. Even when I saw them on the


screen, I still didn't really know what to do because I did not want to


go to the police. And then I spoke to my mum about it, and sushi she


said, no, this isn't right. I went to the police not knowing anything


about the new law. So I started with stalking and then gradually got onto


the photographs and that was when they told me about the new law which


had come in. What sentence was he given in the end? He was given a 13


week sentence suspended for 12 months, fined and community service.


But also there was stalking offences in that as well. So it was a 13 week


jail sentence suspended for a period of time. In other words, there was


no custody. No. He also got a restraining the restraining order,


which he broke and it is still to go through court. Let me bring in Dr


Anne Olivarius. Can you tell our audience a little bit about the new


guidelines? As I read them, only if the victim is considered vulnerable


will there be a prison sentence? Of course we don't know how these will


be interpreted yet. It is a very weak law, it hasn't been applied


with vigour and determination. One feels almost its not taken


seriously. From the judicial site, you don't know how they're going to


respond until they start to actually sentence people. But certainly, it


doesn't warm our hearts. Is it weak because of the way it has been


drafted, or is it week because the judges are just not putting it into


practice? The law itself is weak because it focuses on intent. So


there are three parts of a law. If a man, because mostly it is a crime


against women, 90% of the victims are women, so if a man says, I'm


just going to have a good time, I'm having a good time with the lads and


we're just going to to throw these pictures up, it's fine, it's not


against the law. If you say, and then make some money and send these


all over the internet, that's not against the law. It's only if you


say, I'm intending to hurt her feelings, to degrade and humiliate


her, as happened to this good woman here, then that is against the law.


So it's a very narrow interpretation of the law. And it's about what he


intended to do, not about her consent. Did she consent, was she


even aware? So it's not about consent, or distress caused, either.


Exactly, it is all about him, still. My understanding from the


Exactly, it is all about him, still. My understanding from can post


sexual images online and cause major distress and be spared jail. Only if


the victim is considered vulnerable will there be a prison sentence.


Killie, did you consider yourself vulnerable at the time when your ex


went to court? At the time, I did, yeah. It got a lot of publicity as


well. But whether or not you're vulnerable, people put on a good


face sometimes, so no matter how they are shared, or who they are


shared with, I think it should still be the same punishment, because


those pictures are still being shared. I didn't know the pictured


had even been taken, which makes it even worse, really. It's breaking


that trust. But I think they need punishing for sharing pictures with


whoever. By that, do you mean a jail sentence for every revenge


pornography perpetrator? I do, yeah. It has ruined people's lives. I had


the press on my doorstep, and we were trying through the campaign to


keep the names of victims out of the press. But should I think there


needs to be a prison sentence. As a lawyer, Dr Anne Olivarius, what do


we need to improve the conviction rate, a redrafting of the law?


Certainly think you need a civil law, you need to be able to go after


damages, money damages, society understands that. That needs the


victim to pay for that, doesn't it? No, because there are law firms like


ours, we represent victims all the time. If there were damages at the


end which could be collectable, that would make a big difference. The


police attitude has to change. We have a very well-known case, where


she was filmed being raped after she became paralytic drunk with her ex


partner. He filmed her, she didn't know it, he put this up on a website


and we went to the Met and said, laughing we would like to take this


forward under the new law. Their response was, no. And when we


queried it, they said, there was a sex toy which he had put into the


picture and somehow, that was her fault. The second reason which made


us realise we had no chance to have this reconsidered is that she had


shaved her pubic hair, and any girl that did that, clearly had the


intention to give pictures and engage in this behaviour. I cannot


believe that, oh, my god. That is how we felt. There are very few


prosecutions under the law. People say, not enough police services.


Fine. Have the person, if found guilty, pay a fine, and let that


money perhaps even go to pay for the police services to investigate


further. There's no reason that the Government should have to pay for


this. That the system pay for it themselves. Thank you very much.


Killie, thank you very much for coming onto the programme again.


Next, completely changing the tone, let's talk about this statue of


Cristiano Ronaldo. It has been unveiled on the Portuguese island of


Madeira. When they unveiled it, he was putting on a brave face. He did


sort of laugh at it. At the moment where they pulled the Vale of the


bust, he was smiling and trying to look reasonably pleased to. Loads of


people on social media, as you can imagine, have been not very come


from entry, questioning whether it even resembles him. So, some of you


think it looks like Geoff Boycott. It is not the first time works of


art have received attention for the wrong reasons. Andy Murray,


immortalised as a terracotta warrior after winning a tournament in


Shanghai. That looks like Geoff Hurst! In fact, all the statues look


like people whose Christian name is Geoff! And we have got one to


recognise the career of Newcastle United legend Anil Shearer. -- Alan


Shearer. After that, Alan Shearer joked, he liked the almost 9ft tall


statue because it had hair! The owner of Fulham, Mohamed Al Fayed,


put up a 7ft tall statue of Michael Jackson in 2011 which was so


embarrassing for Fulham fans, it is now in the National Football Museum.


And who could forget the work of an amateur art restorer in a small


village in Spain. The woman attempted to fix a fresco of the


face of Jesus. Her work became a national joke, but had the last


laugh as the village saw a huge increase in tourism. I need to read


this e-mail from Dominic. I don't know if I have time it's about


mental health. I found my father dead at our home after he committed


suicide when I was 16. Three years later, shortly after I started


university, I broke down. And then I opened the floodgates to my friends


and was amazed by their reactions. I now have an incredible group of


people that carry me through my toughest days. My friends from


school and others. And most of them are men of we now see talking,


sharing and sharing emotion as the bond that strengthens our emotion.


Thank you very much, dominant. Thanks to all of you who have got in


touch today. We really appreciate it.


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