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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire - | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
A longer wait for routine operations in England. | :00:10. | :00:18. | |
NHS bosses say it's a "trade-off" for improvements in other areas. | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
There are a significant proportion of people | :00:22. | :00:22. | |
who don't need to be there, who don't want to be there, | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
and if we could get them out that would free up something like 2000 | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
to 3000 beds in the NHS, which can be used more | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
effectively for providing quicker elective surgery. | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
Will tough new sanctions against adults who send explicit | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
messages to children be enough to stop the problem of grooming? | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
One woman tells us what happened to her. | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
I didn't want to cause trouble and, like, not be believed. | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
But yeah, I knew I had to say something. | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
And we'll have a special report on why some young voters in France | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning. | :01:02. | :01:24. | |
Are you waiting for a non-urgent operation? | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
If so, we'd love to hear from you this morning about how long | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
Are you one of the many people who've arrived at hospital only | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
to have your operation cancelled on the day? | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
We are going to go and live now to hear from Donald Tusk, the president | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
of the European Council. You can see the podium there, he is waiting to | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
speak in Malta in the next few minutes, he will of course be | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
talking about those Brexit negotiations, so we will go back to | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
that live as soon as it happens, you won't miss anything at all. | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Our top story today - patients will have to wait longer | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
for routine operations, such as hip and knee replacements | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
as a "trade-off", so that improvements can be made in other | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
That's according to the Head of NHS England, Simon Stevens, | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
who says "choices have to be made" because of increasing patient demand | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
Iris Ram is 96 and is recovering from a recent illness. | :02:23. | :02:31. | |
Her GP called a local NHS service based in Nottinghamshire | :02:32. | :02:40. | |
to give her the right care in the right place. | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
The treatment at home has been absolutely wonderful. | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
Iris is well cared for - a priority for the NHS. | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
But it's acknowledged the system is under pressure, and tough | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
Today, NHS England leaders are taking stock of progress | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
since their five-year plan was published in 2014. | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
Aims set out in the new strategy include improving cancer survival | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
rates, increased access to mental health therapies and | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
But with limited resources it means the 18 week target for planned | :03:12. | :03:28. | |
operations is increasingly likely to be missed. Many of these procedures | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
are life changing, some are life-saving. We know that people | :03:34. | :03:41. | |
sometimes die on waiting lists, waiting for heart surgery. The | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
longer you wait, the more likely that is to happen. We know that | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
people are waiting for gall bladder operations, the longer you wait, the | :03:52. | :03:52. | |
more likely it is. Today is about setting out | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
what is possible with the money allocated by the Government | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
to the NHS in England. But, at a time of increased demand, | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
what is not addressed Let's go straight to Malta now where | :04:03. | :04:13. | |
Donald Tusk has begun speaking. As you know, the treaty gives us | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
only two years to reach an agreement. Allow me to outline the | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
main elements and principles of my proposal. We treat them as | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
fundamental and will firmly stand by them. Our duty is to minimise the | :04:31. | :04:39. | |
uncertainty and disruption caused by the UK decision to withdraw from the | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
EU for our citizens, businesses, and member states, as I have already | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
said in essence it is about damage control. We need to think of people | :04:51. | :04:58. | |
first. Citizens from all over the EU live, work and study in the UK. And | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
as long as the UK remains a member, their rights are fully protected. | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
But we need to settle the situation after the withdrawal with | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
reciprocal, enforceable, and non-discriminatory guarantees. | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
Second, we must prevent a legal vacuum for our companies that stems | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
from the fact that, after Brexit, EU laws will no longer apply to the UK. | :05:32. | :05:40. | |
Third, we also need to make sure that the UK offers all financial | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
commitment and liabilities it has taken as a member state. It is only | :05:46. | :05:54. | |
fair towards all those people, communities, scientists, farmers and | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
so on to whom we, all the 28, promised and Bob This Is Money. I | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
can guarantee that the EU, on our part, will honour all under | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
commitments -- all other commitments. Fourth, we will seek | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
flexible and creative solutions aiming at avoiding a hard border | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
between Northern Ireland and Ireland. It is of crucial importance | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
to support the peace process in Northern Ireland. These four issues | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
are all part of the first phase of our negotiation. Once, and only | :06:34. | :06:43. | |
once, we have achieved sufficient progress of the four can we discuss | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
the framework of our future relationship. Starting parallel | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
talks on all issues at the same time, as suggested by some in the | :06:52. | :07:00. | |
UK, will not happen. And when talking about our future | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
relationship, we obviously shared the UK's desire to establish a close | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
partnership between us. Strong ties reaching beyond the economy and | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
including security cooperation remain in our common interest. Let | :07:17. | :07:24. | |
me conclude by saying that the talks which are about to start will be | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
difficult, complex, and sometimes even confrontational. There is no | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
way around it. The EU 27 does not and will not pursue a punitive | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
approach. Brexit in itself is already punitive enough. After more | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
than 40 years of being united, we owe it to each other to do | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
everything we can to make this divorce as smooth as possible. This | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
is also why Prime Minister May and I have agreed to stay in close and | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
regular contact throughout this process. I intend to visit Theresa | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
May in London before the April European Union Council. As rotating | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
presidency, we see the guidelines that have just been submitted by | :08:18. | :08:25. | |
President Tusk as constructive. It will be a very tough negotiation, an | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
unprecedented negotiation for the European Union since previously, in | :08:32. | :08:39. | |
all such negotiations, it was about getting closer, not getting further | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
away from each other. It will be a tough negotiation, but it will not | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
be a war. At the end of the day, the two sides will need to remain close | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
to each other as friends, but it is obvious for the 27 that membership | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
of the European Union is the superior option. The priority, as | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
set out in the draft guidelines which will now be discussed and are | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
just now starting being discussed in Brussels, show very clearly that the | :09:17. | :09:27. | |
first priority is the settling of issues relating to citizens. We need | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
to make sure that our citizens, European citizens in the United | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
Kingdom and British citizens in the European Union, are not used as | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
bargaining chips by any side, so I do believe that there is a wide | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
ranging commitment to settle this issue as quickly as possible. As | :09:48. | :09:55. | |
President Tusk was saying, and has already declared in our initial | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
statements, the 27 see no room for parallel negotiations. First, there | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
needs to be an agreement on the principles of the United Kingdom's | :10:07. | :10:15. | |
orderly withdrawal from the European Union, but once those principles are | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
agreed, and before actually going on with those negotiations, once there | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
is sufficient progress that it will be determined by date European | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
Council alone, negotiations on a new phase, a new relationship, will be | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
able to start by council giving a mandate to the negotiator to do so. | :10:39. | :10:47. | |
It is imperative to stress that, while the European Union and member | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
states are showing flexibility in making it clear that they are ready | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
for transition periods as necessary, those transition periods need to be | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
governed by European institutions, since those are the institutions | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
that would be sovereign in taking decisions. Finally, the issue of | :11:16. | :11:25. | |
Northern Ireland is being given serious and special consideration by | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
the 27. We know the sensitivities that exist on the Irish issue, and | :11:31. | :11:38. | |
we are looking at creative and pragmatic solutions to see that | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
peace and stability on the Irish aisle are not ended. Thank you. | :11:46. | :11:55. | |
Chris Morris from the BBC. President Tusk, your document talks about the | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
fact there will be no separate negotiations between individual | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
member states and the UK. You have talked a lot about unity in the past | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
week, this makes it sound like you are worried that the UK will try to | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
pick of individual countries and have those negotiations. How can you | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
be sure that won't happen? Secondly, the document talks about not moving | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
onto the second phase of the negotiation involving trade talks | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
and future trade relationships until sufficient progress has been made | :12:27. | :12:34. | |
the initial phase, what does sufficient progress mean? Is it | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
simply the European capitals will to find that? And Prime Minister must | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
step, your thoughts on those issues as well, thank you. This is my first | :12:40. | :12:48. | |
divorce and I hope the last one. This is why I want to be very | :12:49. | :12:59. | |
cautious and precise. First of all, when it comes to our unity and | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
solidarity I have no doubt, especially after our summit in Rome | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
and the Rome declaration, that this is not only a declaration, this is | :13:09. | :13:19. | |
the truth, that all 27 will be united during the negotiations, and | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
I have no doubt this is our common interest but also in the interest of | :13:23. | :13:31. | |
the UK. If they want to achieve a constructive agreement, it means | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
that they should discuss and negotiate only with the 27 as a | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
union. This is the only way to achieve anything in this very | :13:42. | :13:49. | |
difficult process. From my side, it is obvious that the British | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
Government is in contact with all member states. I don't think that | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
there is any instruction from Brussels or any institution not to | :13:59. | :14:07. | |
have regular and normal relationship with our British counterparts, so we | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
will continue to engage with the United Kingdom, and I think all | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
member states will, but, and this is a clear demarcation line, when it | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
comes to negotiations on this issue, on Brexit and on future | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
relationships, there is a clear commitment by the 27 to have just | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
one point of contact, and that point of contact is Mr Barnier, that is | :14:32. | :14:39. | |
led exclusively from the European side and I do believe, as Donald has | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
just said, this is not something of a lip service but this is true | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
political commitment from each side. When it comes to your question on | :14:54. | :15:02. | |
sufficient progress, yes, we are seeing that sufficient progress is | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
determined exclusively by the European Council. Yes, I want to be | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
very clear and support Joseph. It must be clear that the EU as 27 | :15:11. | :15:21. | |
decides it's sufficient progress has been achieved. Probably in the | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
autumn, at least I hope so. Robin amateur from Reuters. | :15:24. | :15:41. | |
President Tusk, in the guidelines there is envisaged some sort of | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
transition period in which Britain would continue to pay into the EU | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
budget and be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. -- Robin Emmett from | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
Reuters. Both of these reasons why people voted to leave the EU, I | :15:54. | :16:03. | |
wonder why you included them? Let me say just one thing about | :16:04. | :16:14. | |
money and some impressions on both sides of the Channel. There is no | :16:15. | :16:23. | |
such thing as a Brexiter bill or penalty for leaving. If you want to | :16:24. | :16:35. | |
talk about finance and commitment I have no doubt that for both sides it | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
is really important to demonstrate that we want to be fair to reach the | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
chewing the negotiations. I will add to that that there is no, as someone | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
said, Brexiter bill. I think the letter that Prime Minister Mae has | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
sent acknowledges that the UK has commitments, so what we are setting | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
out in the draft guidelines, and I think there is a broad agreement on | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
the document that Donald has put forward, OK, some things might be | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
added and subtracted, but the essence is there. I do believe that | :17:20. | :17:29. | |
the idea is one which shows and says that those commitments must be | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
respected, and the idea is that we have to come up with the methodology | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
that shows and calculates those commitments and also what Britain | :17:43. | :17:49. | |
needs to take from European assets, as a balance sheet. I do believe | :17:50. | :17:58. | |
that this is very, very obvious. On the ECJ and other European | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
institutions governing transition period, in our books transition | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
period means that you are still Amber, or at used to have access -- | :18:07. | :18:14. | |
are still a member or at least still have access to and Bishop situation. | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
If you have such access it goes without saying that the institutions | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
we have agreed upon need to government. We would obviously not | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
intrude on what happens afterwards within the United Kingdom. Then, | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
when it comes to a free trade agreement, we would have to have | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
negotiations, and those would then determine what type of institutions | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
will govern that new type of arrangement. REPORTER: One last | :18:43. | :18:54. | |
question. Television Malta, to date there has been concerned following | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
Prime Minister May's letter on the link between the trade agreement and | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
future security cooperation. Is this acceptable? Have you received any | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
concerns from member states about Prime Minister May's letter? | :19:10. | :19:18. | |
Know, especially after the terrorist attack in London. -- no, especially | :19:19. | :19:28. | |
after. It is to be clear that terrorism is our common problem and | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
security is our common problem. I know Theresa May well enough and I | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
know her approach to this issue. This is why I rule out this kind of | :19:42. | :19:51. | |
interpretation and speculation to be used as a bargaining chip. It must | :19:52. | :20:03. | |
be a misunderstanding. Our partners are wise and decent partners, this | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
is why I am absolutely sure that no one is interested in using security | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
cooperation as a bargaining chip. I would like to confirm that even | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
though it was something that hit the headlines and really and truly many | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
people, including ourselves, noted, we have had reassurances from the | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
British Government that this is a misinterpretation. We will take, at | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
least my Government, will take the word of the British Government. We | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
do believe that they are decent partners, people who will not | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
bargain on security of any of our citizens, and I do believe that we | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
will start negotiations in this spirit of sincere cooperation. Thank | :20:53. | :21:03. | |
you very much. STUDIO: That was the president of the European Council, | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
Donald Tusk, speaking with Maltese Prime Minister -- the Maltese Prime | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
Minister. They are talking about the Brexit negotiations. He outlined an | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
interesting number of points, he says there will not be | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
conversations, parallel conversations about trade and | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
commitments. That seek to Europe correspondent | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
Damian Grammaticas in Brussels. Interesting that he outlined those | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
four areas that he wanted to be sorted, Donald Tusk, before | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
contemplating a decision about trade. Take us through those? This | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
is what PE you site has identified as the most pressing issues to be | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
settled first of all in this Article 50 exit process -- this is what the | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
EU side has identified. There has been lobbying from citizens, it use | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
it as an living in the UK, UK citizens living in the EU -- EU | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
citizens living in the UK. Those people have rights to live, work, | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
study. What will happen to those rights in the future? The second | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
thing he talked about was preventing a vacuum of laws, that talks about | :22:13. | :22:20. | |
businesses, what certainty they will have, EU, the guidelines we have now | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
here talking about those benefiting from EU money, project extending | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
into the long-term. Backers into the third issue, the UK's financial | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
commitments, he says both sides must honour those. Donald Tusk made the | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
point that this is not a Brexiter bill, this is a settling of | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
accounts. -- this is not a Brexit bill. He said this is payment | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
promised to farmers, scientists, people that obligations have been | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
made to that must be met. The last thing was the Ireland/ Northern | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
Ireland border, we have seen a bigger effort by the Irish | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
Government to press this, it is identified as a key priority. There | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
was recognition that these could be difficult conversations, sometimes | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
confrontational, Donald Tusk said those words. Talking about security | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
cooperation, he said there was misunderstanding about the letter | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
from Theresa May? He said this is a common problem for priority to | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
tackle terror, that is something that must be done together. But I | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
think the take from this whole thing, this document, what we heard | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
Donald Tusk say, which is that the EUG side is very clearly setting the | :23:37. | :23:44. | |
agenda now -- the EU side. The timetable the EU was setting, saying | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
exit talks, there must be sufficient progress, we heard them in that | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
press conference saying it is the EU side, the 27, who will decide when | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
that has been sufficient, where they are happy that enough detail has | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
been nailed down on the Exeter agreement and they will move on to | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
the future relationship and the transition. -- on the exit | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
agreement. From the EU side, they made very clear if there is a | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
transitional period during which the UK continues to access the single | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
market, it will be on the EU's rules, they said. Payment into the | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
EU budget, rules of the Court of Justice applying, the EU laying down | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
its principles and we will see the EU trying to enforce what it sees as | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
how the negotiation must proceed. Donald Tusk very clearly said that a | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
person or people in the UK have been advancing the idea of parallel | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
negotiations on the future status for the UK, along with the | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
withdrawal agreement. The person advocating those is the UK Prime | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
Minister, Theresa May. He said absolutely that will not happen. A | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
very clear message from the EU who now, I think, will be in control of | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
a lot of the dynamic of this. Thank you very much, Damian. | :25:05. | :25:14. | |
We'll also get reaction throughout the programme, we are live until | :25:15. | :25:15. | |
11am. Another story we will talk about is | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
the NHS. Are you on a waiting list for a routine operation? Have you | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
had a routine operation cancelled on the day you have arrived at | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
hospital? You can get in touch with us on Twitter. We want to hear and | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
share your stories as ever. Across the country thousands | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
of children are groomed each year, and while the Government created | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
a law to make this illegal 2 years ago they never put it into force | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
in England and Wales. From Monday that will all change | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
and will mean any message sent by an adult to a child that relates | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
to sexual activity will be considered grooming | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
and therefore illegal. Earlier I spoke to to Molly, | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
which isn't her real name and wants to remain anonymous, who was groomed | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
when she was 15 years old, she's now 21, and Tony Stower | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
from the NSPCC who campaigned So, Molly, just start by telling us | :25:56. | :25:57. | |
how old you were when this began. And who was the person | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
who approached you, It was an adult, a volunteer | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
at a youth club I used to attend. Well, first off, | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
he befriended my dad. Then we used to go | :26:19. | :26:28. | |
round his house and stuff. Then we all added each | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
other on Facebook. And what were the sort of messages | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
that he was sending you? At first, it was just | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
normal conversation. How's your family, how's | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
your dad, all of that. Then it started getting more, | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
where he was using names for me, And then one morning | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
I got up for school, checked my Facebook, | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
as I used to do, and he messaged me, saying he was doing stuff | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
to himself, while his partner So, you know, I just closed my | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
laptop down and went to school. That must have been quite | :27:07. | :27:16. | |
frightening, at 15, to read that? But I just sort of closed my laptop | :27:17. | :27:23. | |
down and carried on with my day. Well, he got my number | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
through Facebook, off So I started getting | :27:29. | :27:39. | |
messages from him when I was He would text me, saying | :27:40. | :27:48. | |
he was outside my house in his car. He used to try to get me to go out | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
and meet him, outside my house. One time I had to get my sisters | :27:54. | :28:02. | |
to close my curtains, so I could crawl around | :28:03. | :28:04. | |
on the floor, so he But he would always do it | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
while my dad was out. Somehow he knew that | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
my dad wasn't home. At what point did you start | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
to feel uncomfortable, Pretty much from the | :28:17. | :28:18. | |
Facebook incident. But the last lot of texts that | :28:19. | :28:26. | |
I got, he was telling me he had feelings for me and stuff, | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
that he had to try Telling me that I looked | :28:31. | :28:32. | |
beautiful, the night before, when I went to the youth club, | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
stuff like that. I just said to him, | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
I don't want this. Telling him this is not what I want, | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
I don't want to be a part of this. I told my best friend at the time, | :28:46. | :28:53. | |
I let it slip to my brother. Between him, my best | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
friend and another friend, they all bullied me into telling my | :28:59. | :29:00. | |
dad what was going on. Did you realise you | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
should tell someone? Was it that you were frightened, | :29:06. | :29:07. | |
or you felt embarrassed? I just didn't want my | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
dad to lose a friend. You know, I didn't | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
want to cause trouble. This is a man who had children | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
the same age as you? So, you told your dad | :29:19. | :29:26. | |
and how did your dad react? He said I should have told him | :29:27. | :29:34. | |
sooner and he could have got But he was calm, he had | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
his head screwed on. He rang the child protection | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
of the youth club that I went to. They got us straight down | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
into the headquarters. They had a read through the messages | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
that I had saved on my phone. Then they advised us | :29:51. | :29:58. | |
to go to the police. How difficult is that, | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
when you are 15, you're worried about whether you're going to be | :30:03. | :30:04. | |
believed, showing those messages? And you went to the police, | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
and the police took your The day that we went to the police, | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
they took a recorded interview. Then I had to go back | :30:18. | :30:28. | |
for video interviews. They had all my logins | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
for my social media, What was that process | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
like, as a 15-year-old? Yeah, considering I was | :30:34. | :30:44. | |
going through my GCSEs and stuff at school, | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
it did have a knock-on I just cracked on with | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
what I had to do. At the end, was at the police | :30:51. | :31:00. | |
who said to you, we can't do Yeah, the CPS, I got a letter | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
from the CPS saying he's What reason did they | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
give you for that? Because there wasn't | :31:09. | :31:15. | |
enough evidence. I think they said they could have | :31:16. | :31:24. | |
got him done for harassment, but it had taken too long | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
for the police to go through all the phone | :31:28. | :31:29. | |
and my social medias. Tony, people listening | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
to this will be amazed that a story like Molly's, | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
where there is obvious It's astonishing to think that it's | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
still not illegal for an adult to send a sexual message to a child | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
in England and Wales, unlike in Scotland | :31:45. | :31:47. | |
and Northern Ireland, where this protection for children | :31:48. | :31:48. | |
is already in place. The NSPCC has been campaigning | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
for three years to change the law to finally make it illegal | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
for adults to send We are really pleased the Government | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
has finally listened. From Monday, children | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
will be protected, just Today, if somebody sends a sexually | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
explicit message to a child, The police just haven't got | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
the tools to step in, until the abuse progresses to be | :32:08. | :32:16. | |
something more dangerous. So, until an adult asks a child | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
to commit a sexual act, We're really clear that | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
waiting until that abuse Children need to be protected | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
from the moment that they go online. You say that this is currently | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
a crime in Scotland Do you have a sense of how many | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
cases have been prevented, how many children have been | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
protected from this? Certainly, in Scotland it has been | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
in operation for about five years. Over the time there, they have | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
recorded about 1500 offences. That means in England, | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
if we scale that up, we think maybe 4000 offences | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
could have been recorded That is 4000 cases that | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
could have been recorded, where the police could have | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
taken action earlier. How did you feel when the police | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
or the CPS turned around to you, Molly, and said, | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
When you'd been through all of that, the interviews, | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
I was heartbroken, really heartbroken. | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
Presumably that's the sort of thing you hear reasonably regularly | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
We know that it can be very distressing for children to get | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
That's exactly how online predators work, by building | :33:31. | :33:37. | |
a relationship of trust, sending increasingly sexual | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
messages with an aim of eventually meeting the child. | :33:40. | :33:41. | |
We need to make sure that the police have the tools and resources | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
so they can step in as early in the process as possible. | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
It's really clear that there are things that parents and children | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
can do to help protect themselves, by making sure they have the right | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
privacy settings, especially in their social media accounts | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
That is what Molly was saying, he got her phone | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
You didn't even realise he could access that? | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
There are steps that parents can take. | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
There's loads of advice on the NSPCC website about it. | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
If anybody's concerned about a child, they can always phone | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
the NSPCC helpline and we will talk them through how they can take steps | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
Molly realised this was wrong, she put a stop to it, | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
there were never any meetings or anything like that. | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
Are we doing enough, as parents, society, teachers, whatever, | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
Because it's an awkward conversation to have with kids, isn't it? | :34:32. | :34:40. | |
They are quite difficult conversations, about the risks | :34:41. | :34:42. | |
of online behaviour and how to protect yourself. | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
We are trying to support parents through the provision of the NSPCC | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
helpline to make sure that parents can have some of those | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
Where those relationships are built and parents can have those | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
conversations in advance, that is the way to help protect | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
children from these predators before the abuse escalates. | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
Because you don't want to frighten young people and say, | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
don't use social media, don't reach out to people. | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
But, from your perspective, Molly, what would have helped you before | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
so that you could have protected yourself better? | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
I mean, it's clearly not your fault, but you understand what I'm saying? | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
Did you feel you had enough information? | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
To recognise the signs of what is going on would | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
If anyone is watching this now, and they think this may | :35:25. | :35:31. | |
be happening to them, it may be in the early stages, | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
what would you say to that young person, or indeed to a parent | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
who may fear it is happening to their child? | :35:39. | :35:40. | |
It's that first step, isn't it, that's often the hardest, to say | :35:41. | :35:55. | |
And that's fantastic advice, actually. | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
If you, as a child, are concerned about any of this, | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
speak to a responsible adult and they'll help you take action. | :36:04. | :36:05. | |
Of course, any of these kind of sexual messages | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
from an adult to a child will be illegal from Monday. | :36:09. | :36:10. | |
It's really important they are reported to the police | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
so the police can step in and stop the abuse before it escalates. | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
How many children do you think this could potentially protect? | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
Is this law going far enough, in your view? | :36:21. | :36:22. | |
Well, this is a really big step forward and we are | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
As I say, we think about 4000 offences could have been recorded | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
But there is clearly more that we can do. | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
We're really pleased that the Government starting to take | :36:33. | :36:34. | |
action on relationships and sex education in schools. | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
And there are organisations, like the NSPCC, who can help | :36:37. | :36:38. | |
with some of the difficult online safety issues for | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
Well, it affected my school life and my GCSE grades. | :36:42. | :36:52. | |
At first it did, I was angry, I used to cry a lot about it and take it | :36:53. | :37:04. | |
But now I don't really think it's had that much of a knock-on effect. | :37:05. | :37:14. | |
Thank you both for coming on, I'm very grateful to both | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
Lots of you are getting in touch about the NHS, the changes which are | :37:18. | :37:28. | |
coming, the head of NHS England has been talking about a trade-off for | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
better facilities and reducing waiting times at A Road but that | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
means waiting longer for operations. Katz said, cancellation of my | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
aneurysm operation twice, I turned up and waited for seven hours and | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
then it was cancelled, my family had taken time off work to look after | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
me, I'm 88. Mark says, I've been waiting for a | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
follow-up appointment with a specialist since April 2016, it has | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
been put back to April 2018 committee-macro years. | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
This one says, my dad have been waiting for a second hip operation | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
the six years, NHS staff do a fabulous job on the ground but this | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
needs sorting out. Ahead of next month's French | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
presidential elections, the Front National has been | :38:20. | :38:20. | |
attracting increasing It's the country's main far-right | :38:21. | :38:22. | |
party, led by Marine Le Pen, who's been a divisive figure | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
in French politics for many years. James Reevell has been spending time | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
in northern France with young activists in order to gain | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
an insight into why they're drawn The contributors in this film | :38:32. | :38:33. | |
express some frank views Front National are | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
France's increasingly They have big hopes of winning next | :38:38. | :39:14. | |
month's presidential election. More and more they are | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
attracting young people, too. We spent a week in northern France | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
with those fighting for the FN, We've been invited out | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
on a protest with the FN's They're supporting the presidential | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
candidate Marine le Pen. Hi, I'm Christophe, | :39:36. | :40:18. | |
I'm 26, and I'm the head Christophe is part of the new | :40:19. | :40:38. | |
generation of activists all believing that the FN's future is | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
now mainstream. Over the last few years, the FN has rebranded itself. | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
They say they are not fascist or racist but realists, they claim the | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
fight is for everyone now. Christophe has taken to a school to | :40:54. | :40:54. | |
spread the message. Hello, I'm Camille, and 22 years | :40:55. | :42:10. | |
old, I'm a law student and I joined Front National more than two years | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
ago. Camille is one of the FN's rising stars, collected as head of | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
the area's youth division. Camille is off to show the area | :42:18. | :42:53. | |
around university, it is diverse, raw, and to her it symbolises what | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
is broken in France. But beyond this, what seems to | :42:56. | :43:21. | |
really resonate with Camille is the FN's widely discredited claim that | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
migrants get a better deal than white French people. | :43:25. | :44:10. | |
Say hello to a group of extreme far right activists. They like Front | :44:11. | :44:23. | |
National but think they are soft on Muslims. Their speciality is making | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
slick videos as they stormed public buildings and display provocative | :44:28. | :44:28. | |
banners. The citadel is basically an old | :44:29. | :44:56. | |
right white Power members cup. It opened in September. -- members | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
club. I just cracked on with | :45:01. | :45:31. | |
what I had to do. Orioli and is short on details of | :45:32. | :45:41. | |
his system. But it seems to boil down to getting Muslims to leave | :45:42. | :45:43. | |
France voluntarily. When you speak to them about the | :45:44. | :46:00. | |
election, you can feel the excitement. They clearly believe | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
that the FN and Marine Le Pen is their big chance. | :46:05. | :46:27. | |
Everyone I had spoken to so far had accused immigrants, and specifically | :46:28. | :46:34. | |
Muslims, of failing to integrate or to really embrace being French. I | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
decided to head to feel's largest Muslim neighbourhood. I wanted to | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
find out what it felt like to be told you do not belong. I am Marian, | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
I'm 25 years old, I am Muslim and I think France is becoming a racist | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
country. Marian was born to immigrant parents | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
in France. She is educated, works for a charity supports the French | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
national football team. We don't have to hide. French is the biggest | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
racist country in Europe -- Francis. They are making many laws against | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
the hijab, mainly against the Muslims. It is racist. The Front | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
National is an extreme party, racist. I don't have words. It is a | :47:22. | :47:29. | |
racist party who thinks that France belongs to the white, but it is not. | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
We used to just be friends, no matter our religion, but now the | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
first question, for example when we choose friends is what is your | :47:42. | :47:43. | |
nationality? Are you French? Face hello, I am William, I am 25 | :47:44. | :48:02. | |
years old. I think the Government have forgotten the people. William | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
is a recent convert to the FN, joining two years ago. A pharmacist, | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
he has swiftly risen through the ranks and is the back-up candidate | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
for his area, a rule and industrial place where the party has always | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
done well. Migration is one key issue, despite the area being | :48:22. | :48:28. | |
largely white. We could be killed right now, it is a remote | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
possibility that it could happen. That is horrible. I don't want to | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
live in fear, I want everyone to be happy. Muslims, Christians, | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
whatever, I don't care. What has become clear after meeting | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
the FN is that their appeal is not just about Islamophobia or racism, | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
it is about loss of jobs, identity and hope. William wants to show me | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
his hometown, unemployment runs Haider and there is little positive | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
about the future. -- unemployment runs high. We are going to the | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
village where I live, it is a village of 1500 people. It is a | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
small village, as you can see, it used to be a place where lots of | :49:14. | :49:21. | |
people left, they were working in the textile industry. | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
This place is a former factory of textiles, textile factory. Long ago | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
they used to be lots of people were working here. You would have come... | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
I was not born, you would have come 40 years ago, there would have been | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
a lot of people right here in the city. Look now, it looks like it is | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
a dead place. That is sad. The village is dying. I really think | :49:47. | :49:53. | |
that what I'm doing is good for me, it is good for my family and friends | :49:54. | :49:59. | |
and the people of France. I do it for a better future. What happens if | :50:00. | :50:06. | |
that future does not come? Well... I think that politicians, most of them | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
are here to give us hope. Because I think without hope we would be | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
drowning in sorrow. We need hope, the human mind needs hope. To think | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
of a good future, a brighter future. NHS bosses warn of delays to routine | :50:24. | :50:34. | |
operations in England - We could see improvements in other | :50:35. | :50:46. | |
areas like Cancer care is waiting times for A We will get the | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
reaction from patients and doctors. Workers on the Government's National | :50:50. | :50:51. | |
Living Wage will see their pay go up Over two million people currently | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
receive the National Living Wage. At the moment, if you're over 24 | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
years old, you get ?7.20 an hour. From tomorrow, that will go | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
up to ?7.50 an hour. The National Minimum Wage will also | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
increase for those under 24 and it could boost the earnings | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
of a typical full-time worker by ?600 a year, | :51:10. | :51:11. | |
which some low paid workers say With us now are Catherine Chapman, | :51:12. | :51:21. | |
director of the Living Wage Foundation, Sarah Steel, | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
director of a small business and Solomon Smith, a youth worker | :51:29. | :51:30. | |
on the National Living Wage. Solomon, just explain the difference | :51:31. | :51:38. | |
this increase will make. It is 30p an hour, will it be significant? It | :51:39. | :51:45. | |
is 30p and hour, you know? At least there is a bit of a change. But | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
there still needs to be more. Even though a lot of people will be like, | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
you know, the money has gone up, it will not really go up as people | :51:57. | :52:03. | |
think it is. You have children, explained the struggle? I have two | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
kids, once payday comes it comes and goes straightaway. How do you get | :52:10. | :52:16. | |
by? Just learning what to pay for, you know? I pay my rent, I pay my | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
school fees. I have been living on the red Koran two years. I want to | :52:22. | :52:30. | |
bring in Sarah, she is an employer. Is this 30p an extra -- extra per | :52:31. | :52:38. | |
hour challenging? It hurts some sectors really hard. We would not | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
doubt that our stuff the King Arthur and educating young children deserve | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
a higher wage. There are two issues, one is about keeping the | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
differential, although we will be moving everybody up to meet the | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
living way, it is important that people who have done more | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
qualifications, we can keep the pay differential between the unqualified | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
and well-qualified. For nurseries, lots of income comes from Government | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
funding for three and four-year-olds, the Government | :53:08. | :53:09. | |
effectively price fixes that, local authorities tell us what they will | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
pay, they will not pay what it costs us. So when the living wage goes up, | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
in order to pay staff more we have to pass on the Costa parents because | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
government will not pay a so the fees go up. That has a knock-on | :53:24. | :53:29. | |
effect. And it will not help people like Solomon... It ends up not worth | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
going to work, it is a complicated system. You are at the other | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
rendered you need the money but it is challenging for employers? | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
Definitely, I have lots of friends who own businesses. I spoke to a | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
friend yesterday and said this is going to absolutely kill my pocket | :53:48. | :53:55. | |
-- and he said. Even though people want more money, the umpires had to | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
pay more. It is a knock-on effect on both sides. -- the employers had to | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
pay more. This is what you have campaigned for, you want a national | :54:06. | :54:13. | |
Living Wage that is sensible. 30p an hour, it is enough of an increase? | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
It is great that there is an increase, it will benefit low paid | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
workers, but for millions of low paid and please the increase is not | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
enough. We calculate a real living way completely separate to this | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
minimum wage, based on what it actually costs to live, that is | :54:32. | :54:38. | |
currently ?8.45 an hour in the UK and ?9.75 an hour in London. That is | :54:39. | :54:45. | |
different to ?7.50, the difference of about ?45 a week in the UK and | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
?95 in London, which makes a huge difference to those on low incomes. | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
We already work with thousands of businesses who are choosing to go | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
forward than the Government minimum wage, this is to the absolute legal | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
floor, you are not breaking the law with this increase. We have | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
employers choosing to go further because they want to make sure that | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
everyone working for them has enough to live on. We have heard it is a | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
challenge and nurseries so how can some businesses say they will pay | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
more? We are increasingly hearing about some of the business benefits | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
of paying better wages, some research tomorrow has fantastic | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
statistics. When people are working for an employer that pays them well | :55:31. | :55:33. | |
and they feel valued, motivation goes up, staff retention rates | :55:34. | :55:40. | |
improve, absenteeism and sickness rates go down, real business | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
benefits as well as being good for stuff, so it can be a win-win for | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
business and society. -- being good for staff. We have seen real | :55:49. | :55:54. | |
movements recently in low paid industry. A few years ago people | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
thought paying the living weight would be really difficult on retail, | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
for example. IKEA had signed up, we have added around 3000 of their | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
co-workers. There is scope for further growth and to pay these | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
higher wages. That is not realistic in your business, Sarah? I would say | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
lots of nurseries already pay... We pay lots of our staff more than the | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
living way. In order to push everybody up and keep those pay | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
differentials, in some areas it is not realistic, in some areas it is. | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
Maybe in nurseries and health care, social care, it is very difficult. | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
For as it is about getting fair funding from the Government, that | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
would make the difference. I agree about the benefits of treating your | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
staff well and wanting them to stay with you. In nurseries, early years, | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
retention of good stuff is a real issue. We pay better, we get better | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
people and they want to stay with us, but it is very hard trying to | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
put that as a blanket across everybody. One size will not fit | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
all. What difference would ?9.45 an hour | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
make to your lifestyle? Are to be absolutely fantastic. Despite me | :57:12. | :57:21. | |
having a degree and a Masters, I never think about degree and Masters | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
wages, I just think about real wages. Can it pay my rent? Just so I | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
can just look into my bank account and I am not in the red. That will | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
be mind blowing. Doing everything I am doing and still feeling like | :57:35. | :57:42. | |
where I am now is absolutely not a good feeling. Sometimes I might go | :57:43. | :57:47. | |
to work and I am just like... You know? Where is the motivation? One | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
of the main things is about motivating staff. I run a homeless | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
organisation and we are strictly on all volunteers. Because I know I | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
can't pay my staff I will do other things, even if it is benefits like | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
the cinema, doing little things like that, you start to see how your | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
staff treat you. Imagine if I could start paying them, you know? It is | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
good for me who experiences this knowing that this is what I would | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
not want for my stuff. But presumably it is dreamland to pay ?9 | :58:21. | :58:32. | |
45? That is the London living wage. But Solomon lives in London. | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
Absolutely. We have seen real growth in London living wage and players. | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
Thousands of those small businesses, small independent firms choosing to | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
pay the higher rate. They want to make sure that people work for them, | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
not having to worry about these challenges you just mentioned. They | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
have the time to devote to the job, nothing to worry about paying the | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
bills all the school uniform at the start of term. It is great to see an | :58:56. | :59:01. | |
increase in the minimum wage, but there is further to go. | :59:02. | :59:04. | |
I am sure it is a conversation that lots of people will get in touch | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
about. Matthew Taylor has the weather. | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
A grey, damp start boss. The rain is soon to depart. It will rain for | :59:12. | :59:23. | |
much of the day in Scotland, showers will arrive later in Northern | :59:24. | :59:26. | |
Ireland, West Wales and Cornwall. Not as warm as the 22 Celsius saw | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
yesterday but pleasant enough for this stage in March. Showers | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
tonight, mainly in the West. Eastern areas will be dry, fairly clear and | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
cooler than recently. Temperatures into the start of the weekend into | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
single figures. A slightly fresh start than over the past few | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
moorings. Morning sunshine for quite a few of view but showers in the | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
West initially will develop more widely through the day, lighter | :59:51. | :59:57. | |
winds so slow-moving, could be heavy inventory, particularly across parts | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
of England and Wales. Between the showers we will see sunshine, in | :00:01. | :00:03. | |
that sunshine temperatures still in the mid to high teens at the very, | :00:04. | :00:06. | |
very best. Cooler through Saturday into Sunday, | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
a chilly start to the second half of the weekend, but much, much drier, | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
showers few and far between, most with sunshine. | :00:15. | :00:22. | |
The president of the European Council, Donald Tusk, | :00:23. | :00:35. | |
rejects Theresa May's request for Brexit negotiations to run side | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
by side with talks on the UK's future relationship with the bloc. | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
Starting parallel talks on all issues at the same time, as | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
suggested by some in the UK, will not happen. | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
We will get the Government's reaction and be live in Malta for | :00:51. | :00:51. | |
the fallout there. A longer wait for routine | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
operations in England. NHS bosses say it's a "trade off" | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
for improvements in other areas. We will get the views of | :00:57. | :01:08. | |
professionals and those on the waiting list in the next hour. | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
And the schoolgirl code breakers taking the cyber | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
Find out why they're poised to become the next James Bonds | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
The president of the European Council, Donald Tusk, has been | :01:17. | :01:36. | |
outlining how the EU intends to carry out Brexit negotiations. | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
Speaking in Malta he warned the talks would be complex and sometimes | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
confrontational, and he said negotiations on future trade | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
relations can only began after sufficient progress has been made on | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
disentangling Britain from the obligations of its 44 year | :01:52. | :01:52. | |
membership of the EU. Only once we have achieved | :01:53. | :02:01. | |
sufficient progress on the withdrawal can we discuss the | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
framework of our future relationship. Starting parallel | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
talks on all issues at the same time, as suggested by some in the | :02:09. | :02:16. | |
UK, will not happen. And when talking about our future | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
relationship, we obviously shared the UK's desire to establish a close | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
partnership with Europe. Strong ties reaching beyond the economy and | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
including security cooperation remain in our common interest. Let | :02:34. | :02:41. | |
me conclude by saying that the talks which are about to start will be | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
difficult, complex, and sometimes even confrontational. There is no | :02:46. | :02:53. | |
way around it. The EU 27 does not and will not pursue a punitive | :02:54. | :02:54. | |
approach. Waiting times will be longer | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
for routine operations, such as hip and knee replacements, | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
as a trade-off for improvements in A performance and better | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
treatment in other areas. That's according to the Head of NHS | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
England, Simon Stevens, who is unveiling a strategy | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
for the NHS over the next two years. He says increasing patient demand | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
and the growth in new treatments MPs say it's unacceptable that | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
residents who pay their own fees at care homes in England are charged | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
on average 43% more than those The Communities and Local Government | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
Committee blames a lack of funding, which it says is threatening | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
the viability of adult The Government says it's already | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
given councils an extra ?2 billion. Hotels, restaurants and tourist | :03:36. | :03:44. | |
attractions have warned ministers of the possible consequences | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
of restricting the movement The British Hospitality Association | :03:47. | :03:47. | |
predicts a shortfall of 60,000 workers a year if immigration | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
is limited from the EU. The Government says it will design | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
a new immigration system That's a summary of the latest BBC | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
News - more at 10:30am. Lots of you getting in touch with us | :04:02. | :04:14. | |
this morning about routine operations being delayed, cancelled. | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
An e-mail, I was the victim of a hit-and-run accident in January, | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
left with a double fracture of the collarbone and four broken ribs. The | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
hospital sent be home the same day and told me to come back the next | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
day to see if a bed was free, there was still no bed the next day. | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
An anonymous text, my son has been waiting for an operation at | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
Birmingham Children's Hospital for two years, he was ready for the | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
operation this week only to be told it was cancelled less | :04:42. | :04:54. | |
than 24 hours before it was due to start because they had no sterile | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
equipment to use in his operation. Keep those coming in, your | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
experiences of routine operations being delayed, we will talk more | :05:01. | :05:01. | |
about that in the next few minutes. If you text, you will be charged | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
at the standard network rate. What a couple of seasons it's been | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
for Manchester City Women. They did the league and cup double | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
last year, now they're through to the semifinals | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
of the Champions League Lucy Bronze headed home | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
the only goal of the match against Fortuna Hjerring, | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
to give them a 2-0 aggregate win Next up City face the | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
reigning champions Lyon. And their captain Steph Horton | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
is excited by the challenge. We don't stop here, we're excited to | :05:25. | :05:35. | |
be involved in the semifinal, we know that Leon are a very | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
experienced team and they have a team full of world-class | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
individuals, but so have weak, and it's going to be an exciting game | :05:43. | :05:43. | |
for sure. A shocking claim from Stoke City | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
striker Saido Berahino. He served an eight week doping ban | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
earlier this season whilst at his former club West Brom, | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
but he says it was because his drink Berahino insists that there was such | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
a small amount in his system, it proves he couldn't have taken | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
the drug intentionally. For me to get banned for something | :06:00. | :06:11. | |
that I really haven't Because if I was going to get high, | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
like talking about whether you wanted to get high, | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
maybe the numbers would have came higher, | :06:21. | :06:22. | |
if it was found in my system. But it was really, really low, | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
so why would you want to take But because I'm in the Premier | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
League, the FA have And you can watch the the full | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
interview on Football Focus clubs feel aggrieved at the lack of | :06:35. | :06:53. | |
recognition for their community work according to Richard Scudamore. He | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
was speaking at the launch of an event to provide resources to | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
thousands of primary schools. We have a power that motivates | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
people, motivate young people particularly, and therefore because | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
we can, we should, and that is what it is about and why we are doing it. | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
The campaign above the line is to make sure schools engage and begged | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
the programme a success, and hopefully hearts and minds will | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
alter in terms of some of the perceptions towards some of the | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
things the Premier League stands for. | :07:21. | :07:20. | |
Tennis now. Joanna Konta continues to impress - | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
she's become the first British woman Konta beat Venus Williams | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
and will now play Caroline Amazing to think Konta was just six | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
years old when Williams first won Konta has said Venus is one | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
of her all time heroes, but dispatched her opponent | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
in straight sets. I'm very happy to have come through | :07:43. | :07:52. | |
that, I wasn't able to serve it out the first time but the second time | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
around I was able to, so I think, yes, relief and obviously excitement | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
that I get to be part of the last day of the tournament. | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
England's Charley Hull is in contention at the first | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
women's major of the year, the ANA Inspiration in California. | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
But the woman grabbing the headlines is this golfer, | :08:11. | :08:18. | |
South Korean amateur Seong Eun-jeong. | :08:19. | :08:19. | |
And she made a hole-in-one at the fifth. | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
What about that? She is only 17, look at her reaction. Brilliant, | :08:25. | :08:32. | |
fabulous to see that from her. That is all the sport by now, I will be | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
back with a headline that about 10:30am. | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
Talks between the EU and UK on Brexit will be difficult and | :08:41. | :08:48. | |
sometimes confrontational according to the president of the European | :08:49. | :08:57. | |
Council, Donald Tusk. He has said there is no desire to punish Britain | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
and has said that parallel negotiations can only begin once | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
sufficient progress is made in the divorce proceedings. | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
Citizens from all over the EU live, work and study in the UK, and as | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
long as the UK remains a member, their rights are fully protected. | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
But we need to settle the status and situation | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
after the withdrawal with reciprocal, enforceable, | :09:21. | :09:21. | |
Second, we must prevent a legal vacuum for our companies that | :09:22. | :09:33. | |
stems from the fact that, after Brexit, EU laws will no | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
Third, we will also need to make sure that the UK honours | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
all financial commitments and liabilities it has | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
It is only fair towards all those people, communities, | :09:45. | :09:57. | |
scientists, farmers and so on, to whom we, all the 28, | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
I can guarantee that the EU, on our part, will honour | :10:00. | :10:15. | |
Fourth, we will seek flexible and creative solutions aiming | :10:16. | :10:25. | |
at avoiding a hard border between Northern | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
It is of crucial importance to support the peace process | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
These four issues are all part of the first phase of our negotiation. | :10:32. | :10:43. | |
Once and only once we have achieved sufficient progress of the four can | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
we discuss the framework of our future relationship. | :10:49. | :10:57. | |
Starting parallel talks on all issues at the same time, | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
as suggested by some in the UK, will not happen. | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
And, when talking about our future relationship, we obviously share | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
the UK's desire to establish a close partnership between us. | :11:07. | :11:15. | |
Strong ties reaching beyond the economy and including | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
security cooperation remain in our common interest. | :11:18. | :11:30. | |
Our political correspondent Iain Watson is in Westminster. | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
Is this a rebuff to Theresa May? The language from Donald Tusk is | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
firm, rather than anything else, but we heard from him saying, look, at | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
times the talks would be confrontational. When it comes to a | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
rebirth, remember this, this is what Theresa May asked of the European | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
Union Council, of which Donald Tusk is president, with the letter | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
triggering Article 50. She said, we believe it is necessary to agree the | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
terms of a future partnership alongside those of our withdrawal | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
from the EU. Today, Donald Tusk has said, almost in terms, no chance, | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
there will be no parallel negotiations. He said the first | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
phase would be the untangling of the relationship with the rest of the | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
EU, and only then would move onto a second phase, which would be looking | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
at the future relationship with trade and so on. But the people who | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
will decide whether that second phase will be triggered will be the | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
European Council themselves, not some independent body, not the UK, | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
but the European Council. No final trade deal will be until Britain has | :12:37. | :12:44. | |
left the European Union, and in addition to that, if there is any | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
transitional arrangement, Britain would have to accept a supervisory | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
role as they do currently as a member, these are not things that | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
Theresa May is in favour of, she wants to leave the European Court of | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
Justice and what's negotiations to run in parallel, and Donald Tusk is | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
very clear that will not happen. In the last few minutes we had Downing | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
Street's reaction, a statement following that press conference by | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
Donald Tusk and following the publication of the draft guidelines. | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
In it they say, effectively stressing these are draft | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
guidelines, we look forward to beginning negotiations once they are | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
formally agreed by the 27 remaining members of the European Union. | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
Downing Street goes on to say, it is clear both sides which to approach | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
the talks constructively and as the Prime Minister said this week we | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
wish to ensure a deep and special partnership between the UK and | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
European union, so Downing Street doing nothing at this stage to fan | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
the flames. They say, in effect, this is a negotiation, this is the | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
opening salvo but we hope to move onto more constructive talks later. | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
To be further, there is some constructive progress, both sides | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
clearly want to sort out the status and rights of EU citizens, they | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
recognise the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
Ireland require special attention, but that the issue, can you have | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
talks on trade going alongside if you like the divorce settlement, the | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
bill we have to pay to leave the European Union, they are in two | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
different places, Theresa May want it to happen together, Donald Tusk | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
and the European Council clear today that they do not. Ian, thank you. | :14:17. | :14:18. | |
Our correspondent Chris Morris is in Malta. | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
You were in the press conference with Donald Tusk, we saw you asking | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
a question there. The tough talk has really started now, hasn't it? | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
Yes, it has. Cast your mind back two days, when Donald Tusk appeared in | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
Brussels with Theresa May's letter, he sounded emotional, genuinely | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
upset. Today it about all about business, this is our response and | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
it will be tough. Clear indication from this press conference, the big | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
thought is that the EU now believes it is in control of the process. For | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
nine months, since the referendum, Theresa May had the timing in her | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
hands, it was her decision went to trigger Article 50. Now that it has | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
been done, it is the EU which says, we are going to set the tone, we | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
will spend another month debating the draft guidelines then have the | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
summit of the 27 leaders to approve them, possibly slightly amended, | :15:13. | :15:24. | |
then they have to be turned into a form of the associated directive, | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
and only then will negotiations start, and they have to start on our | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
terms. The UK could say, we don't accept that, but if the other 27 | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
countries are united in sailing, divorce and separation first then | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
when sufficient progress is made, and they will judge what that means, | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
then we talk about the future, and only when we have made progress on | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
that will we talk about transition from one to the other. That is the | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
EU saying, this is our process, our treaty that the process is being | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
done under, and we are considering things in a cooperative way, very | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
polite and constructive, as a third country with which we are | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
negotiating -- we are considering you in a cooperative way. | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
The woman who found out she was autisic at 45. | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
Find out how the diagnosis changed her life and what's | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
she's doing now to deal with her condition. | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
Waiting up to 18 weeks for surgery, often in pain, | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
But now NHS patients in England are being warned they may have | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
to wait longer for routine operations such as hip and knee | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
replacements, cataract removal, hernia operations and laparoscopies. | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
Speaking to Today on Radio Four, Simon Stevens, the head of NHS | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
England, says it is a "trade off" for improvements in other areas, | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
such as the four hour A target and better cancer care. | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
He says increasing patient demand and the growth in new treatments | :16:36. | :16:37. | |
mean that radical choices have to be made. | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
The NHS has made huge strides over the course of the last ten or 15 | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
years in cutting long waits for operations, and we are | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
So people, I think, would be surprised to remember that, | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
15 years ago, you might be waiting 18 months for your hip | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
or your knee operation, now nine out of ten people it is 18 | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
weeks, the average wait for an operation is ten weeks. | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
What we're saying is that, over the next couple of years, | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
we want to have more funded operations on the NHS, | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
but we recognise that the rate of growth is probably going to have | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
to be a little bit slower than it has been at points in the past, | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
because we also want to make big improvements in cancer care, | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
in GP services, and in mental Health Services as well. | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
But you will know that Claire Marks of the Royal College of Surgeons has | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
said that there is a risk that you will have unacceptably long | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
waits, a return to that, and suggesting that the 18 week | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
target has now effectively been jettisoned. | :17:43. | :17:43. | |
The reality is that there are pressures right | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
across the health service, they are well known, | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
and under those circumstances we have to make a start on sorting | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
out particularly those pressures in A departments which we've seen | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
It's right that we start with the most urgent | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
and pressing problems, but then over the course of the next | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
several years we want to be able to expand or continue to expand | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
the amount of surgery that's being done so that waiting times | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
The fact is that we are already looking | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
after, providing 5000 more operations a day now | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
than we were in 2010, and we've got one of the lowest | :18:22. | :18:23. | |
waiting times for routine nonurgent operations of any | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
Under the current NHS guidelines, 92% of patients with non-urgent | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
conditions should be treated within 18 weeks of | :18:31. | :18:32. | |
The maximum waiting time for suspected cancer is two | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
If a hospital or service cancels your appointment at the last minute, | :18:39. | :18:45. | |
they should offer another date within 28 days. | :18:46. | :18:56. | |
WE were hoping to speak to Hugh Pym, who is not with us now. We can speak | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
to Christine Moon, she is on an NHS waiting list for a single coronary | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
bypass. And we can speak to Tim Briggs, an orthopaedic surgeon and | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
the NHS National clinical director for efficiency and quality. | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
Christine, what is your situation? I saw my cardiac surgeon last | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
November. I was told 18 weeks. At the end of the 18 week period I | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
phoned the hospital to try to find out when I might be admitted and was | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
told they could give me no idea at all, they were completely | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
backlogged, people in critical care beds were blocking beds and I was | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
told nobody in the hospital could give me any idea when my operation | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
was likely to take place. So you just sit and wait for the hospital | :19:52. | :20:01. | |
to give you a date? I have decided to go privately because I just | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
cannot carry on my life waiting for this to happen. It is like having a | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
sword hanging over my head. Are you feeling unwell or is it the simple | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
logistics of feeling like you are in limbo? It is feeling I am in limbo, | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
I am taking six tablets a day to alleviate my systems. I guess lots | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
of people are in much worse position than I am, they have probably been | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
waiting longer than me. 18 weeks means absolutely nothing. I want to | :20:31. | :20:38. | |
bring in Tim Briggs, you are a consultant orthopaedic surgeon. I | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
guess many of your patients are the very people who might be affected by | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
this announcement today? If you look at what the NHS has done in the last | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
50 years to bring down waiting times to the historical lows of the | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
moment, it has been an amazing job by many people. If you look at the | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
National joint Registry founded in 2003, when there were 47,000 joint | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
replacements registered in one year, last year it was over 200,000, it | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
shows you the rising demand, and with the ageing population and the | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
demands on the health service. I think the health service should be | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
congratulated on the actual work it has done in the last few years to | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
bring the waiting times down to the historical lows that we see now, and | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
patients, in terms of quality, timing of the operation is not the | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
only aspiration. It is also getting the best quality outcome. It is a | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
mixture of the two components that produces the best result for | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
patients. That does not help the likes of Christine, she is pulling | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
faces and shaking her head, clearly disagreeing with what you are | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
saying. Lots of people have got into it talking about the delays they are | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
facing already, this will get worse. For people in pain it is no comfort | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
at all. We had to look at what is happening | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
at the moment in the accident and emergency departments, they are | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
under huge pressure. More patients are being admitted to hospitals, | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
delayed transfers of care which I hope has been resolved with the | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
Chancellor's announcement in the budget of the ?2 billion. This means | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
there has been a lot of pressure on beds. If we are going to provide a | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
sustainable health service going forward, to provide excellent, | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
timely care for patients, we have to free up those beds, and we do that | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
by increasing the discharge rates of patients from hospital which has | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
been announced in the Budget with increased funding of ?2 billion for | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
social care, but we also have to sort out the front end of the | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
hospital A departments, reducing the number of patients coming to | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
hospital, to A, the number of patients admitted, sometimes not | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
necessarily. And we have to resolve that to have the bed capacity to | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
provide elective care for the patients. I welcome the report in | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
many ways, I'm an orthopaedic surgeon at the front line, I treat | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
patients, I think patients will understand that we had to try to | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
sort out the system so we can maintain the frequency at which we | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
can deliver the 18 week target for patients, I don't believe it is | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
being jettisoned, actually. What we are trying to do is sort out the | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
system to maintain it as we go forward. Professor Briggs, I would | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
def Chris Dean understands. You say most patients will understand this, | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
Christine, feel free to speak to Tim Briggs. -- Professor Briggs, I | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
wonder if Christine understands. I don't understand, you say you are | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
trying to sort out problems and A, in the area where I live I | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
understand that A is under immense pressure. There is a walk-in unit | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
being established in Corby which I read with absolute horror is now due | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
to close due to lack of NHS spending. Why? To respond to that, I | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
have been in the privileged position in the last two years of visiting | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
every single hospital in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
Ireland, overall the pressure on A departments is huge, they have had | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
huge pressure over the winter months, as we all know. We had to | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
try to resolve that, because the more patients coming through the | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
front door and getting admitted to hospital with delays of transfer | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
means there are not the beds available to do the collective | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
planned surgery. Over the next 24, 36 months, we need to try to resolve | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
that issue. Simon Stevens said today that no one is jettisoning the 18 | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
week targets, we want that to be the norm for patients, but we have to | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
sort out the service at both the front and back end is to mean that | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
we have got the elective capacity and the beds in order to get these | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
elective cases done. I think you should not inform | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
patients about this magical waiting time when clearly it means nothing. | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
I would rather be told you might have your surgery in a year, if we | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
can bring its -- forward we will. Why not be honest upfront? Why not | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
say 18 weeks, when it means nothing? What I would say to that is that I | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
work, as I say, in a provider hospital, all the NHS staff are | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
working tirelessly and very hard to try to make sure that they maintain | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
the elective servers as efficiently and effectively and as high-quality | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
as they can. But we have been under a lot of pressure and we have to | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
have a bit of a breathing space and time to sort out the front and back | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
end of the hospital to free up these beds. I do not want to see, and what | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
will not happen, is going back to historical times of the past when | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
people were waiting three years, 18 months for surgery, but I believe we | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
need breathing space in order to sort out the system so that we can | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
maintain the elective capacity to do elective surgery at the appropriate | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
time, that is what we are trying to do. Thank you, Professor Tim Briggs, | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
and Christine, best of luck. That look the best of luck in getting a | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
date. The NHS says it wants to stop | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
children and young people having to travel far from home to get mental | :26:39. | :26:39. | |
health care. Let's talk now to Marjorie Wallace | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
of the mental health charity Sane. Sally Burke's teenage daughter | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
Maisie was admitted to ten hospitals in the last three years and none | :26:46. | :26:47. | |
of them near her home. Sally, I want to come to you first. | :26:48. | :26:56. | |
Give us a sense of how difficult that has been for you, coping with | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
Maisie being in so many places around the country? It is | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
horrendous, as a family we have not been able to support Maisie at her | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
most vulnerable. It has been very difficult as a parent to know that | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
your child needs you but is at least an hour away, some of the photos I | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
have had from Maisie or the police or the unit I read it difficult to | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
deal with and not be able to take part in trying to help her through | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
that -- some of the phone calls I have had. Presumably you had to | :27:26. | :27:33. | |
travel each time, there is a cost indication? Always a cost. What | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
about the cost to Maisie of being in so many places, was that problematic | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
for her? Absolutely, each admission has caused more problems, none has | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
been helpful in helping her get over her problems. She has become | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
homesick, lost touch with friends in the community, it has had a knock-on | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
effect on all of the aspects in her life including school. Marjorie, you | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
are nodding, is this just about more money, more beds, more units so that | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
people like Maisie can be treated closer to home? Lots of it is but it | :28:10. | :28:16. | |
is about attitude to mental illness as well, so it is treated with the | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
same seriousness as physical illness. We are hearing about | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
waiting times of 18 weeks, in Melton -- in mental illness it is sometimes | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
years and sometimes there are no beds available at all. Sometimes | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
there are no local beds available, we have lost half the number of | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
psychiatric beds 2000. 25,000 beds have been closed down. That means a | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
person who becomes critically ill, like Maisie was, who is self harming | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
and suicidal, they go to A and sent home and it is on a wing and a | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
prayer that the community mental health team comes. Sally, how did | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
you access that care for Maisie? Sometimes we have had to wait up to | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
two weeks for Maisie to be admitted to a bed, it has just been cope at | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
home, if you are not coping, ring the police, that has a knock-on | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
effect because the police are not happy because it is a mental health | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
problem. Really, I have had to fight every system is apparent, challenge | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
every decision. It is not just more money, sending Maisie away to a bed | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
costs a lot more than if they provided proper care at home and | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
supports to keep her at home in the community with the right support and | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
care that she needs. What support and care which you need to stay at | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
home in the community? Experience, trained staff working around the | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
clock with her. At the moment to get her to a steady ground so she can | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
reintegrate back into routine and life. Marjorie, would that be | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
cheaper than sending Maisie to a unit? Not necessarily, you have to | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
have an intensive investment in that person. We are finding again and | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
again at Sane, we get so many calls, people are not admitted to the | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
hospital or units and they are put under the care of the crisis | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
resolution teams, the rate of suicide amongst mental health | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
patients under these teams has trebled in 13 years and is three | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
times as much as in hospital. These community teams, they are having | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
cutbacks, it is not just the closure to beds but the cutbacks in the | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
teams, they don't have the time to spend with people. It puts people | :30:35. | :30:36. | |
who need that time at risk. For you, Sally, what difference will | :30:37. | :30:47. | |
be the extra beds and units make to Maisie if there is another situation | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
where she needs to be admitted? If there was a Bedene. Home, what | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
difference would it make to you and your family? -- a bed near your | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
home. It would mean people could visit her daily, she could come out | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
into the community, take part in a family event instead of feeling | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
isolated and lonely, she could access school, so her routine would | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
continue. Plus, the people in her care when she didn't need a bed | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
would be in our community, so that experience and those professionals | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
would always be at Maisie's doorstep. How is she now? She just | :31:20. | :31:28. | |
came out of a unit last week, she is trying to transition back into | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
normal life, she is up and down, very sad at the moment. Sally, thank | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
you for coming on, best of luck to Maisie, and thank you also Marjorie | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
for joining us. We had an e-mail from healthy about | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
the NHS, I live in Northern Ireland and suffer from glaucoma which could | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
lead to blindness if not managed properly. I was due to see my | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
consultant in December 20 for a once a year checkup. When I rang this | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
morning to see why I have not received an appointment, I was told | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
the consultant had retired and no-one had been put in place to take | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
over the running of the clinic. I was told to consult my GP if I had | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
any further with my eyesight. We have no sitting Government in | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
Northern Ireland at the moment because the elected representatives | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
will not sit down with each other to talk about running the country. My | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
problem is minor but there are others not getting treatment with | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
greater need. Thank you very much, keep those | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
e-mails coming. Diagnosed with autism at 45 - | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
we'll talk to a woman who struggled with the condition for most | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
of her life, without knowing why. And the young girls shaping | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
the future of cyber Find out how their codebreaking | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
skills are impressing the GCHQ The President of the European | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
Council, Donald Tusk, has been outlining how the EU | :32:40. | :33:00. | |
intends to carry out Speaking in Malta, he warned | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
the talks will be 'complex and sometimes confrontational' | :33:03. | :33:15. | |
and he said negotiations on future trade relations can only begin | :33:16. | :33:17. | |
after 'sufficient progress' has been made on disentangling | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
Britain from its 44-year Once and only once we have | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
achieved sufficient progress on the withdrawal can we discuss | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
the framework of our Starting parallel talks | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
on all issues at the same time, as suggested by some in the UK, | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
will not happen. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :33:37. | :33:51. | |
has been giving his reaction. The UK's commitment to the defence | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
and security of this region of Europe is unconditional, and it is | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
not some bargaining chip in any negotiations that may be taking | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
place elsewhere in this capital. We may can unconditional commitment to | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
the defence, to the security of Europe, because we profoundly | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
believe it's in the interests of stability and prosperity of the | :34:15. | :34:15. | |
whole transatlantic area. Waiting times will be longer | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
for routine operations, such as hip and knee replacements, | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
as a trade-off for improvements in A performance and better | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
treatment in other areas. That's according to the Head of NHS | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
England, Simon Stevens, who is unveiling a strategy | :34:26. | :34:27. | |
for the NHS over the next two years. He says increasing patient demand | :34:28. | :34:30. | |
and the growth in new treatments MPs say it's unacceptable that | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
residents who pay their own fees at care homes in England are charged | :34:34. | :34:41. | |
on average 43% more than those The Communities and Local Government | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
Committee blames a lack of funding, which it says is threatening | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
the viability of adult The Government says it's already | :34:51. | :34:52. | |
given councils an extra ?2 billion. Hotels, restaurants and tourist | :34:53. | :35:00. | |
attractions have warned ministers of the possible consequences | :35:01. | :35:02. | |
of restricting the movement The British Hospitality Association | :35:03. | :35:04. | |
predicts a shortfall of 60,000 workers a year if immigration | :35:05. | :35:13. | |
is limited from the EU. The Government says it will design | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
a new immigration system China is closing almost half | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
of its official ivory carving factories and shops today, | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
with the rest due to close The news has been welcomed | :35:26. | :35:27. | |
by conservationists in their ongoing battle against the illegal | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
trade in ivory. Despite a global ban | :35:34. | :35:35. | |
on international sales, a surge in demand has resulted | :35:36. | :35:37. | |
in the deaths of tens of thousands of African | :35:38. | :35:39. | |
elephants in recent years. That's a summary of the latest | :35:40. | :35:41. | |
news, join me for BBC Lots of your comments still coming | :35:42. | :35:55. | |
in about the NHS and those delays which are going to occur to routine | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
operations. An e-mail from Linda, I was diagnosed with severe arthritis | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
in both knees almost 15 months ago, I am in constant pain and still | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
waiting. I will be 70 in June and have been paying income tax and | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
national insurance since I was 15, I have owned the rights to better | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
treatment. Instead I get the feeling it is my fault for living so long. | :36:18. | :36:19. | |
Kathy says, waiting times could be met if | :36:20. | :36:34. | |
patients who are not accident or emergency were diverted to their GP. | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
Blocked beds are due to closing down care of the elderly which allowed | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
people to be discharged and allow rehab to take place. | :36:40. | :36:41. | |
Let's get some sport now with Jessica. | :36:42. | :36:41. | |
Manchester City's women are through to the semi-finals | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
of the Champions League after beating Fortuna Hjorring. | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
Lucy Bronze headed home the only goal of the match. | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
It followed their 1-0 victory over the Danish side in the first leg. | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
Big match up next in the last four, reigning champions Lyon. | :36:52. | :36:53. | |
Johanna Konta's incredible run continues. | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
She beat Venus Williams in straight sets overnight to reach | :36:58. | :36:59. | |
Amazing to think she was just six years old when Venus won this | :37:00. | :37:07. | |
Konta will play Caroline Wozniacki in the final. | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
England's Charley Hull is in contention at the first | :37:12. | :37:13. | |
She was 2-under-par through seven holes before high winds | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
stopped play at the ANA Inspiration in California. | :37:20. | :37:21. | |
Shot of the day though came from South Korean teenage | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
She made a hole-in-one at the fifth. | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
And world number one Mark Selby is into the quarter-finals | :37:33. | :37:34. | |
The defending champion edged out a tense final frame decider | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
Judd Trump and Ding Junhui are also through. | :37:39. | :37:47. | |
That is all the sport for now, I will see you soon. | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
Laura James was 45 with four kids, a loving husband and great career | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
when a surprise diagnosis changed her life. | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
She was told she had autism, and suddenly she felt she had | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
answers after spending years, as she describes it, | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
"trying to hide her weirdness from others." | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
From rigid routines like lining up nail polishes in order of colour | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
to struggling with bright lights, many things Laura had come | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
to think of as normal were suddenly explained. | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
And now she's written about her diagnosis in a new book. | :38:16. | :38:27. | |
alongside Tom Purser from the National Autistic Society. | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
Do you think, saying you were spending years covering your | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
weirdness, did you have an inkling? No, I was unbelievably surprised | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
when autism was diagnosed. I had spent so long trying to work out why | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
I was different, wondered whether I had a mental health problem, it was | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
because I was adopted, I wandered all sorts of things, but eventually | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
life takes over and work happens, kids happen, so I just worked hard | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
every day to try and appear to be nearer typical, really. I read that | :39:01. | :39:07. | |
you found life generally confusing? I think I had to work three times as | :39:08. | :39:16. | |
hard to get through the day as neurotypical people. I didn't | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
understand what people meant when they were not clear about what they | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
were saying, so vague things that happen, when people say, we might do | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
that on Wednesday but we might not, I find that incredibly, incredibly | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
hard to get my head around. Or just other things like having to do | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
boring things like go round the supermarket, it always left me | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
feeling utterly exhausted and completely confused. I was so | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
confused by the sheer array of choice, looking at washing powder, | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
hundreds of them, it overwhelms me. Something like doing the weekly | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
shopping would just completely take it out of me and make me feel | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
utterly overwhelmed and confused, and as if I was failing because | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
surely that is a simple thing everyone can do easily. And things | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
like scenes of socks would come out and feel very prominent to you? Yes, | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
I have a think about clothing, I have to wear very comfortable | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
clothes otherwise I cannot concentrate on anything other than | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
the irritation the clothing is causing. As he said, on the outside, | :40:13. | :40:20. | |
married, four kids, successful career, were people surprised when | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
you got the diagnosis, for example your husband? I think he was | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
initially surprised, lots of people in my life were as well, but I think | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
that is because, lots of people are aware of autism now but we don't all | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
understand what it means. I thought it was very much the stereotype, the | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
boy with his trains, it did not occur to me someone who is a | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
journalist, who communicates for a living, could possibly be autistic | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
but once I started meeting of the autistic women online, reading more | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
about it, it was just so obviously me, as if they had written a | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
description of me, and I think my husband came to terms with it after | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
he read more about it as well. You wrote that it was like -- he broke | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
that it was like coming on the same first aid for 20 years, constantly | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
getting to know you. Yes, he says that, I think I am very easy to | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
know, but because I'm not a neurotypical person and most people | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
are used to neurotypical people, I think he finds me a bit confusing. | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
Like what? I don't really know! And he is not here to answer the | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
question! It was a line that I wrote in the Telegraph a couple of years | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
ago and people keep asking me, and I keep asking him, and he said he | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
can't put his finger on it, but I think we should make him answer the | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
question! You also talked about school being a confusing time for | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
you, trying to understand how to behave as a girl? Yes, I found other | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
girls really confusing because there were all of these unwritten rules, | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
they would be really nice to one person, then she would wander off | :41:55. | :41:57. | |
and they would be really mean about her, and I just couldn't get my head | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
around that sort of thing, I didn't understand the games girls wanted to | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
play, I am not competitive so I didn't understand wanting to win, I | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
didn't get the sporty girls. I couldn't understand wanting to play | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
with dolls or make-believe because it seemed really bizarre because it | :42:14. | :42:24. | |
is not the real world, so I didn't want to do that, and I couldn't | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
understand why everybody in the playground wasn't sitting in the | :42:28. | :42:29. | |
corner reading a book, like I was. Did you feel isolated grubbing up? I | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
did, but I am self-contained so I did not feel it in a hurtful way but | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
I know other autistic women struggle with that, feeling that they wanted | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
to belong. It was less important to me. When people were bullying at | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
school, if it was scary and I thought they might punch me then it | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
was a big deal, but if they were just being mean to me I was lucky | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
that somehow, I could know if it is autism or a personality thing, but | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
somehow I was quite protected from that, I just wanted to be away from | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
them. You said you always had your head in books when you were growing | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
up but you'd used an interesting author to learn about human | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
behaviour? Jilly Cooper is my favourite author, I adored her, she | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
is the first person I ever interviewed, which was awesome, but | :43:11. | :43:13. | |
I genuinely believed her books were a handbook for life! What did you | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
think we were all doingLAUGHTER. Did you find it helps to understand | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
people's behaviour better? She is a brilliant writer, if you read her | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
work you learn an awful lot. I learned about poetry from reading | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
her book, a book about a TV station, and one of the presenters was making | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
the documentary and I learned so much about poetry, she sparked a | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
real passion, but I also learned about human behaviour and | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
relationships, but I think it was confusing because obviously they are | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
not balls and they are grown-ups. My 14-year-old self thought that | :43:50. | :43:57. | |
someone would come in on a horse to rescue me! -- obviously they are | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
novels. You have written about meltdowns that you had and it was | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
actually one of those meltdowns that was in some way what led to the | :44:08. | :44:14. | |
diagnosis? Yes, I have a genetic condition called Ehlers-Danlos | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
syndrome which often occurs with autism, it is starting to be seen, | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
and I was having tests for that and the tests were really quite invasive | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
and difficult and it was the hottest day of the year in London, I | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
couldn't eat for 24 hours before the tests. I went to my room and it was | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
really claustrophobic, there was meant to be a tuna sandwich, the | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
famous tuna sandwich, waiting for me because I had not eaten for so long | :44:39. | :44:46. | |
and it was very bright, there was a child crying, it was just an massive | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
sensory overload and I had an epic meltdown and burst into tears and | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
kind of got, needed to get out, so I announced to the nurse that I was | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
leaving and she said, we should have sorted it out, I'm so sorry, we see | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
a lot of autistic people here and this is not good enough, we should | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
make it better. I thought it was like that thing where you go into | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
hospital and they mistake you for someone else, so I just left it and | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
had the tuna sandwich when it arrived, but I had to stay overnight | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
so I started googling, as you do, googling autism and there were a few | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
things that sort of raised flags with me, but I googled autistic | :45:22. | :45:31. | |
women and it was like finding myself, every description was so me, | :45:32. | :45:33. | |
and I found some online groups on Facebook and talked to some women, | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
and it became completely apparent that was the case with me. Lots of | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
them have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome as well and our experiences were so | :45:40. | :45:40. | |
similar. Tom, how unusual is it for a woman | :45:41. | :45:50. | |
to get to her mid-40s before being diagnosed with autism? Not that | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
unusual, at the National Autistic Society we have more women coming to | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
us, and, like Laura said, finding each other online sharing | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
experiences, because many are coming to diagnose this very late in life. | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
Partly that is because of an increase in awareness in autism, an | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
increase in the ability of diagnostic services but also because | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
women tend to have been missed at a younger age and have tended to be... | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
Have been misdiagnosed with other things throughout their lives as | :46:21. | :46:27. | |
well. Is it a case that women may be better at masking it than men? There | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
is still a lot of research needs to be done around women and their | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
experiences, we know the experiences of autistic women and girls are | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
different to those of boys and men. That masking element and that | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
learning some of the social rules from sources like the novels of | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
Jilly Cooper, for example, it is a perfect example of what girls are | :46:49. | :46:57. | |
good at, perhaps Bob serving some of the social rules and being able to | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
mimic them, masking their behaviours and learning to hide them. The | :47:01. | :47:03. | |
impact of that can be huge for women and girls because they are trying to | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
keep it inside, trying to fit in and they don't necessarily understand | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
why they feel different to others and why it can be so challenging. | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
How has the diagnosis helped you, your relationship with your husband | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
and children? Has it changed anything? It has changed me because | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
I always felt that I was failing, now I don't any more. I felt like a | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
failing your typical woman, now I feel like a successful autistic | :47:31. | :47:38. | |
woman. We are all quite eccentric so I think we all muddle along, my | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
children, but I think it has helped my husband understands me, I can be | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
difficult at times and I think it has given him a reason, he can pin a | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
reason onto why I behave sometimes and it has made it easier for him. | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
He realises that if I seem for not engaged, it is not to do with him | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
but it is because I am in my head. Thank you ever so much for coming | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
in, it has been lovely to meet you both, Laura and Tom. | :48:08. | :48:09. | |
Laura's book, Odd Girl Out, is out next Thursday. | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
Lots of comments on the NHS, Valerie says I returned home and choose stay | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
from a six-week period in hospital with a badly broken leg. I am | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
receiving carers three times a week. My observation of the system is as | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
follows. Excellent medical care, very kind staff, cleanliness and | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
sufficient medication. But a lack of consistency, a lack of | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
communication, a lack of quarter nation, inefficiency, poor | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
management skills, weaker language skills, constant monitoring to catch | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
people out, no praise when the job is done well. It is a clear maxim | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
that you need to say well done ten times to make one criticism | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
effectively otherwise resentment and a lack of involvement quickly set | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
in. Please keep your comments coming in. | :49:01. | :49:01. | |
From Spooks to James Bond, we're fascinated by the secret world | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
Well, GCHQ, the Government's electronic intelligence unit, | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
is now on the look-out for staff in the real world. | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
They're encouraging more women to consider a career in cyber | :49:10. | :49:11. | |
security and recently held a code-cracking competition | :49:12. | :49:13. | |
Out of the 8000 who entered, it was a team of three girls | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
from Lancaster Girls Grammar School who won the coveted prize. | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
And here they are now - Evie Smith, Lauren McHugh | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
and Emily Shackleton, along with their teacher | :49:27. | :49:27. | |
Gareth Hamilton, and Nicola Hudson from the National Cyber Security | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
-- along with their teacher, Gareth Hamilton. And then we will speak to | :49:36. | :49:43. | |
the people involved in the competition as well. Explain what | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
you had to do? To begin with, and online round of the competition | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
involving solving lots of different puzzles. I think we all really | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
enjoyed that because we got to see your progress as we were doing that. | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
Once we got through to the final it came -- we came down to London on | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
Monday to participate with nine other schools, where we had to | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
discover different clues about the hacker of a fictional school | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
website. A few puzzles, I think you slightly underplay it. What were | :50:15. | :50:21. | |
they? Four categories in cryptography, logic and coding, | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
cyber security and networking. What is cryptography? Ciphers and codes. | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
I don't understand any of this. You got through that and got down to | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
London, and in London, are you nervous or worried at this point? I | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
think we were slightly nervous but thought we would do our best and see | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
how it went. What did you had to do? Find out who had hacked this school | :50:49. | :50:54. | |
website. Find out and details about them, their phone number, their | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
address. How do you go about that? Where do you start? First of all we | :50:59. | :51:04. | |
looked at the page for the normal school website. Then we looked at | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
the hacked page left there by the hacker. We looked at things like the | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
source code and the hackers' Twitter, try to make connections | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
between the hacker and their personal Twitter account. We looked | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
at some of the details like the domain name of the website and how | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
it had been registered, that told us things. Do you learn this all at | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
school or outside of school? We learned parts of it at school, but | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
the competition was a lot harder than what we were used to, we were | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
learning as we went along. Gareth Hamilton is head of computing from | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
Lancaster Girls Grammar School. You must be very proud, they are | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
slightly underplaying... Yes, as a teacher this is the stuff of dreams. | :51:53. | :52:00. | |
It is important to get young people into coding, especially girls? They | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
are massively underrepresented in the UK workforce at the moment, and | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
in places like GCHQ, so place is putting the subject area on the map | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
are important with. Nicola works for the National Cyber Security Centre, | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
party GCHQ. Good that you are a woman, promoting this. Are there | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
many other women in this field? 10% of the workforce, the global | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
workforce are women, that is a massive, massive issue for as | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
collectively. Within the National Cyber Security Centre about a third | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
of the workforce are women, about half of the senior management team | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
are women, we are making strides. But the port in thing is what the | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
talent pipeline looks like not just the now Buttin | :52:49. | :52:59. | |
two, five or ten years, it is a massively growing sector, the stakes | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
are really high and if we don't have that diverse workforce and young | :53:04. | :53:05. | |
girls and women with a completely different skill set, we will not be | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
doing the best possible job that we can. It is an enormous achievement, | :53:09. | :53:15. | |
8500 girls doing it and the final with the three of them, big | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
congratulations to them and everybody who took part. As EV said, | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
this is not just about a project they did at school, it took a bit of | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
oomph, and we will work on this in our spare time -- as Evie said. This | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
is girls are showing an interest in cyber security where people really | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
think boy thing, it is not, these girls have shown it really is not. | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
How long did it take you to crack it? We spent some time on the online | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
round, that took about a week of our time, not solid but, you know... You | :53:50. | :53:58. | |
slept and ate a bit! And the final, nine o'clock to five o'clock with a | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
break for lunch. It took us time to work out what to do at the | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
beginning, but it is that moment of revelation when you realise what you | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
need to do, it is very satisfying. Coding is a big thing, I am of two | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
young girls and so many parents are saying it is really important we get | :54:19. | :54:25. | |
the kids into coding. Why? We all use technology very heavily, but | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
very few of us understand how it works. We need the next generation | :54:30. | :54:36. | |
to understand it so they can keep producing the technology and we can | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
keep using it. When you are teaching, do you get the sense that | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
girls are put off because they see it as something that boys do? To | :54:45. | :54:53. | |
some degree. But I think it is changing. If you are looking at the | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
uptake that we have had over the last few years, definitely computing | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
has been a more popular choice, I think it is changing. You talked | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
about diversity, it is not just girls, you need a mixture of people | :55:09. | :55:14. | |
from across society? Exactly, it is critical, when you look at some of | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
these really complex problems it is how you look at them and the | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
different ways that you look to try to solve those. What was really | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
noticeable about the event on Monday was that out of those ten teams with | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
the same problem, they were coming up with different answers because | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
they were looking at it from different perspectives, which is | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
key. One of the things we were really looking at and judging the | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
teams aren't is teamwork, collaboration and how they work | :55:41. | :55:54. | |
together to draw out each individual strengths, they had that in spades, | :55:55. | :55:56. | |
it was brilliant. Congratulations, Ayew interested in a career in this? | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
I think. Definitely taking it for a level, we will see how it goes. | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
We have had lots of e-mails of people getting into a judge with | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
their stories waiting for hospital operations. Pauline, I suffered a | :56:09. | :56:14. | |
stroke in 2015, luckily it only affected my speech. Three months | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
later I started having difficulty eating and swallowing. I was | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
referred to hospital after various tests which showed that I had a | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
small raised bump which constantly gave me a feeling of something being | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
stuck. I went for the consultation in February and told there was no | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
funding. I could wait for the new financial year and start again. I | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
agreed and went back in May but it might not go ahead then. | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
The boss of NHS England, Simon Stevens, will shortly outline his | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
blueprint for the health service waiting times. Let's get more from | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
our health editor Hugh Pym. We know the highlights, | :56:53. | :57:06. | |
some people are unhappy, routine operations likely to be delayed | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
further, but more money for A and cancer services? That's right, we | :57:11. | :57:12. | |
will get the speech in a few minutes in the Aldershot Centre for health | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
behind me. We are here because Simon Stevens wants to make the point that | :57:16. | :57:17. | |
centres like this could help activity in the community away from | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
hospitals, it is one of the largest of its kind in the country, they | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
have scans, pharmacists as well as GP services. More investment in this | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
sort of facility and he says you won't have to refer so many to | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
hospital. But as you have heard, he has conceded that waiting lists will | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
have to rise routine surgery, which is not popular with those affected | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
by it. You will also talk about how generally community care can be | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
enhanced by health and social care around England. | :57:46. | :57:52. | |
Thank you, Hugh We will be bringing you live coverage of that year. Lots | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
of you have been keeping into edge throughout the morning with your | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
experiences of those delays. Delays to routine operations. It is a | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
concern to many, but as we said earlier there will be improvements | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
to mental health services and also A and cancer services. We will | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
continue with the coverage on the NHS story in Bbc Newsroom Live | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
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