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Hello, it's Monday, it's nine o'clock.

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Police investigating a violent attack on a teenage asylum-seeker

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in south London release images of three people

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We'll have the latest from the scene.

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We have a special report on the financial challenges faced

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by young people when they leave the care system at 18.

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"That's it, we no longer need to be in contact with you,

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you've now hit that age where you can live by yourself

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independently, and there you go, off you go into

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and there was not much preparation for that.

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And will your child's nursery be one of those which says it can't offer

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30 hours of free childcare because it's too expensive?

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on how the new system for nurseries in England will work.

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am.

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Showed profits from the so-called tampon tax go to an anti-abortion

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group? The group says it is providing essential housing support

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for women who decide to keep their babies, but the MP who champion the

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scheme says they should have to give the grand back, let us know what you

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think about that. Our top story today,

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detectives investigating an attack on a teenage asylum-seeker

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which left him seriously injured have released images of three people

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they want to question. The two men and a woman

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are being sought about the attack on the 17-year-old boy at Croydon

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in south London on Friday night. Anisa Kadri is following

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the story for us. What is the latest? Well, eight

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people are actually in Kas today now, police are questioning them on

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suspicion of attempted murder, and as you mention, three images have

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been released this morning by police, people they want to speak

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to. Police believe up to 20 people could have been involved. As for the

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victim, 17 years old, Kurdish-Iranian, police are treating

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it as a suspected hate crime, they believe his race was integral to the

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reason that he was attacked. And a... They are treating this, as I

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say, as a hate crime. He is said to be in a serious but stable condition

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at the receiving repeated kicks and punches and sustaining serious head

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injuries. Tell us more about what has been police together about the

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attack. -- pieced together. On Friday night, this victim was

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waiting at a bus stop in Croydon with friends when a group is said to

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have come up to him, and police say they ask them, you know, where are

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you from? It was then that he said he was an asylum seeker, and they

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chased him down the street and began kicking him, punching him. Many

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people saw this happen, some alerted 999, and the victim was left lying

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there, and it was at that point, of course, that the emergency services

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got involved and realised that this needed to be, you know, attended to,

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so to speak. Anisa, thank you. Annita is in the BBC

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newsroom with a summary Donald Trump has warned that the US

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will solve the North Korean nuclear In an interview with

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the Financial Times, "If China is not going to solve

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North Korea, we will." Mr Trump confirmed he was referring

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to direct unilateral action. The comments come ahead

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of a visit to the US Significant restrictions on the use

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of bail by police in England The amount of time a suspect

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released from custody can remain on bail will be limited to 28 days

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in most cases. The decision is in response

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to concerns that people were being left in limbo for months

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or even years. as our home affairs correspondent

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June Kelly reports. Famous faces who've been under

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police investigation, finally told they wouldn't

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be facing charges, They were among the 5000

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still on bail after a year. The Government says the system

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needed rebalancing. Well, what's happened in the past

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is people could be put on bail with no end in sight and no check

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or balance, which means we had thousands of people could be on bail

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for 12 months or more. In fact, there were examples

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of people on for several years, We've got to make sure

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we've got a proper system that It's part of an overhaul of the

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bail system in England and Wales. From now on, some suspects won't be

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subject to police bail at all. For those who are bailed, in most

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cases, the limit will be 28 days. But a senior police officer

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will be able to grant one three-month extension

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in complex cases. The police will have to seek

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the permission of a magistrate The Police Federation, which

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represents rank-and-file officers, 28 days, in the cycle

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of a police officer, is not a long time for to

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investigating a crime. You've also got to bear in mind,

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in relation to external inquiries, what we tend to have is external

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resource, so we have got the Forensic Science Service, CPS,

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and 28 days is not realistic for them to come back to us

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with the information The Police Federation said

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the old system protected complainants and victims and helped

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prevent further offending. Europe is becoming the global hub

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for the hosting of child sexual abuse images and videos,

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according to a new report. The Internet Watch Foundation found

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that 60% of worldwide abuse material was now in Europe,

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an increase of 19%. of European nations

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hosting the illegal content. Improved reporting and policing

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in North America are believed

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to have driven the shift. The Spanish Foreign Minister has

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said there is no need to lose tempers over Gibraltar. He was

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speaking after the chief minister of Gibraltar insisted that the

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territory would be used as a bargaining chip in negotiations over

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Britain's exit from the European Union.

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The EU's guidelines on the Brexit talks suggest that Spain over

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which claims overeignty over the Gibraltar, might be able

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to veto decisions that affect the territory.

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But yesterday, Theresa May assured the people of Gibraltar

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that her government remained committed to them,

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and that the sovereignty of the Rock was not up for grabs.

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Tom Burridge is at the Gibraltar border with Spain this morning

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you can probably make out a flow of traffic,

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a lot of people walking out of southern Spain into Gibraltar,

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because thousands of people work, sorry, live over that side

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The free movement of people is guaranteed because Gibraltar

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and Britain are members of the European single market.

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Now, when Britain comes to negotiate its Brexit deal

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with the rest of the European Union, in theory now, according

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to the European Union, Spain will have a say

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on whether the deal can apply to Gibraltar or not.

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And what is possible is that Spain might say that, actually,

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aspects of any deal can't apply to Gibraltar, and it might do

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so on economic grounds, because Spain has always complained

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that taxes are much lower on this side of the border

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Of course, Britain and Gibraltar putting on a united front,

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saying any deal for Britain is a deal for Gibraltar,

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take it or leave it, that is the kind of poker game we are in.

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Rescue teams in Colombia are continuing to search

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through tonnes of mud and debris for anyone who might have survived

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the devastating mudslides in the south of the country.

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In the last few hours, the president has said 254 people

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are known to have died, 43 of them children.

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The mudslide engulfed the town of Mocoa,

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Hopes of finding anyone alive in the debris are fading.

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The political parties in Northern Ireland will begin

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fresh talks today at Stormont aimed at restoring

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Power-sharing collapsed in January because of a row between Sinn Fein

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and the Democratic Unionists about a botched green energy scheme.

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Last week, a deadline to form a new administration

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Police are looking for a dog on the loose in Bolton after armed police

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shot dead two pit bull type dogs after an attack on a man and a woman

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in a street. Police were told five dogs were out of control. A woman

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was bitten on the hand, a man suffered injuries to his legs. Two

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dogs were captured, a fifth managed to escape. Police are warning people

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to be on the lookout for a large dog with short hair and of a muscular

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build. That is a summary of the latest BBC News.

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In a few moments, a special report on the financial challenges faced by

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young people when they leave care at the age of 18. Caroline has tweeted

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to say, I am really pleased to see this as being featured by the

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programme, and Natalie says, so glad councils are offering more support.

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There are calls for council tax to be waived for care leavers, and some

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are doing it, but not all. Let's get some sport

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with Hugh Woozencroft. And we start with a rather

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incredible story in golf. I still can't decide

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whether this story is the good or bad side of sport,

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because I'm pedantic, and if a player breaks

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the rules in a sport, then does it really matter

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who has pointed it out? OK, maybe I'm being harsh,

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because Lexi Thompson, the American golfer,

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must be heartbroken after an eagle-eyed television

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viewer called in to say they'd spotted

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an infringement. But the heartbreak will be

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even harder to take because it was the first women's

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golf major of the year, Thompson held a two-shot lead

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in the tournament when she was told. She only found out with six holes

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to play, and the infringement happened a full

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24 hours beforehand. She was left in tears

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when she was approached Calling it ridiculous, she was

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handed a four-stroke penalty, and eventually the title

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as well in a play-off. The decision hasn't

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gone down too well. Finally, Lexi Thompson herself

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took to Instagram a few hours ago, saying, "Well, it was an emotional

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day here for me, first off I do want to say what I had done was 100%

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not intentional at all, I played amazing today, probably the

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best I have played all week. I wasn't expecting that on whatever

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hole it was, I did not intentionally do that. So to the officials or

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whoever called in, that was not my purpose. I didn't realise I did

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that. But you know, I fought hard coming in, I didn't give up, I knew

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I could still win. But so many players played great,

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congratulations micro. Rather understandably upset.

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The LPGA have defended their decision, one official said

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she wouldn't have been able to sleep if she'd have let it slide.

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But it does beg the questions what if they'd have noticed

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Would they have taken victory away from the 22-year-old?

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What did she actually do? Well, essentially, she marked ball

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on the 17th green in her third round with a coin, just before she was

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going to putt. When she replaced the ball, it had moved just over to the

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side, essentially, she didn't play from where the ball had landed,

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which is watching as to do. She could have been looking for a better

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lie, and that is why you get a penalty, two strokes moving the

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ball, two for signing for the wrong score after her third round. So

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yeah, really difficult one to take. Let's move onto tennis, Roger

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Federer. Well, Roger Federer is defying

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all the odds at the moment. At the age of 35,

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he's won the Miami Open. and he's playing as well as anyone

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in the world right now. But the body does need some

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tender love and care at his age. He now says he'll take nearly

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two months off and probably not play

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again until the French Open. He beat Spain's Rafa Nadal

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in straight sets to lift the title, 24 hours after Britain's

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Johanna Konta won the women's event. Federer moves up to fourth

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in the world rankings, adding Miami to big wins

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at the Australian Open and And before we go,

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we must mention Celtic. It may be only the first

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week of April, but Brendan Rodgers' side

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have clinched the Scottish Premiership

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again, after beating which helped put them 25 points

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clear of second-placed Aberdeen. And they're still on for

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the domestic treble as well, so congratulations and good luck

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to Celtic and their fans While most teenagers are living

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at home when they turn 18, are suddenly thrust

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into a grown-up world. They can find themselves

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alone in a flat with all Managing money is one of the biggest

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challenges, and a new scheme - so far adopted by 14 councils -

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aims to help. Our reporter Ashley John-Baptiste,

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who was himself in care, There's no ifs, buts, maybes -

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this bill has got to be paid then. About 2000 across

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different companies. Council tax bill's

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really the worst one. Like thousands of kids

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across the UK, I grew up in care. From the age of two, I lived

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with four different foster families, and I also spent two years

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in a care home. I remember like it was yesterday

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the time I had to leave care When I was 18, I left care

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and I moved into a council Really nervous, because I haven't

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been back here for at least, say, five years, and it brings

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back a bit of emotion. But this is the flat I moved

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into when I left care, when I had to sort of fend

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for myself as an adult. I can see the flat,

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it's a bit crazy! That's the window of the flat that

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I lived in nearly ten years ago now, that I moved into this council flat

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at 18, as a care leaver. Back then, I felt very isolated

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and I'm thinking, "What the heck? I've got to go and live

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independently, by myself, And I remember the toughest weekend,

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potentially, of my life was when I had 37p to live off

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for a weekend, and all I could afford was an onion,

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and I had a bit of tuna and I made I remember the first night that

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I moved into this flat. The flat wasn't decorated,

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and I just slept on a mattress, and I felt extremely lonely,

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vulnerable, and unprepared It is crazy to think that,

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at 18 years old, when friends I think I've blocked a lot

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of that out of my head. I think so, because I remember

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asking for your iron. You've asked for my

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iron, Hoover, eggs. Oh, my gosh, that's

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really embarrassing! Did you know, did you know that,

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when I moved here, I had left care? Then, I had no idea

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of where my life was going, and I didn't have a mum or dad,

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and I had these bills, and I had council tax,

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but I didn't necessarily have the means to get by,

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so I'm very, very happy that I'm not in the position that

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I was in when I moved here. You gave me a lot to think

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about, actually, yeah. Because I didn't really realise half

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of the stuff that you just told me, so I'm really proud to see that

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you've accomplished a lot of things. I know I wasn't alone in finding it

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difficult to leave care, Research suggests well over half

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of care leavers struggle to pay That's why, as of this month,

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some councils have decided to stop charging care leavers council tax

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until they're older. In reality, only a small number

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of care leavers will benefit. The councils that are doing this

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hope it will ease the sudden As tough as it was, within months

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I then went off to university, and with all the trauma

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and difficulty that I experienced, I'm in East London today to meet

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a care leaver who's 23, and she's really, really transparent

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about the struggle she's having Tiffany was taken into care

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on Christmas Eve when she was five. Growing up, she was moved 15 times,

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all over the country. Tell me what happened

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when you went into care? It was the most traumatising thing

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you could be put through, I'd say, Nothing prepares you for being

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placed in a car and put outside someone's front door,

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and then obviously when they open They officially went, "That's it,

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we no longer need to be in contact with you,

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you've now hit that age where you can live by yourself

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independently, and there you go, off you go into the

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world," kind of thing. There was not much

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preparation for that at all. So, no-one told you,

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no foster parent or social worker told you about the bills and council

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tax that you would have to pay? No, I mean obviously they pointed

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out the obvious ones, obviously, food, gas,

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electric, TV licence, But it was never a case of, "Oh,

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but also, council tax." When you got your first council tax

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bill, did you pay it? Yeah, because it was actually

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quite a low amount, so I was like, "Yeah,

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OK, I'll pay that." And then I thought, "Oh, right,"

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I didn't think anything of it, then the next one came

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round and I was like, I just didn't understand

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that they came year by year. And, you know, it

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made no sense to me. And then obviously when I got older,

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you know, when you watch TV more, then you work out where it actually

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comes from, where the money goes. Because other than that you're only

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just left with a guessing game Did you ever struggle

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with those payments? "We're aware that you

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couldn't make payment..." Can I have a read?

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Do you mind? "Were you aware that we couldn't

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make some of your payments because there were not enough

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available funds in your account?" So you've had direct debits go

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through that clearly haven't About 2000 across different

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companies, so... Council tax bill's

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probably the worst one. About ?500 now, but that's not

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the figure it was last Well over a grand, I'd say,

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in court fines, then obviously So yesterday I met Tiffany,

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lovely care leaver who's doing a great job, actually,

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in looking after her two-month-old daughter and maintaining

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the responsibilities of her flat. The only thing, I think,

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is that, at some point, she will have to pay off her council

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tax there, and it's inevitable that the bailiffs will approach her,

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and I just wonder how on earth I'm in Grimsby today to meet

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another care leaver, Jodie. She's a student, but she does have

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some outstanding council tax debt, and she has a few weeks to pay it

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off before the bailiffs visit her. This is, this is my place that

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nobody can take away from me. Jodie was taken into care

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when she was eight, She was upset to leave,

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but says she was also excited at the prospect

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of being independent. See, I always hear that, I hear

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about care leavers being quite excited about the independence

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of being a care leaver, leaving care, and the opportunity

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to have a flat and sort of do But, for me, I was

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actually really scared. Because I just wanted to be

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a normal 17, 18-year-old. I remember the first night that

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I moved into my flat, it was almost like being put

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in a prison cell. It was like, "This is your flat,

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here you are," doors closed. I had nightmares for

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the first few weeks. I'd probably become a bit

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depressed, to be fair. Yeah, not to the extent where I had

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to go on medication or anything, but to the extent where sometimes

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I didn't want to get out of bed, How did you cope with the pressures

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of being an adult - If I didn't open the post,

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I didn't have to deal with it. Some councils have decided to scrap

:24:07.:24:15.

council tax for young care leavers, some councils it's until you're 22,

:24:16.:24:28.

some until you're 25, to help them Do you think this is a measure that

:24:29.:24:31.

will help care leavers? Yeah, I do, because it gives them

:24:32.:24:39.

the chance to adjust to life of not being in care and not having

:24:40.:24:47.

the parents being a local authority that haven't had to think

:24:48.:24:50.

about anything before. But some might say, why should care

:24:51.:24:52.

leavers benefit from this but not I understand, I understand why

:24:53.:24:55.

people might say that, but until you've walked in the shoes

:24:56.:25:05.

of a care leaver, how do you know Other people that come from a normal

:25:06.:25:08.

family have that, "Mum, can I just borrow 20 quid,"

:25:09.:25:15.

whereas other care leavers don't. There's been times where I've

:25:16.:25:18.

literally had nothing in the cupboards and I've gone

:25:19.:25:20.

hungry because I've had nobody Leaving home and moving

:25:21.:25:23.

into your own place is a learning curve for anyone, and of course

:25:24.:25:31.

no-one enjoys paying bills. But meeting other people

:25:32.:25:33.

who were in care and revisiting my old flat has reminded me how abrupt

:25:34.:25:36.

the transition from care So, on one hand, many care leavers

:25:37.:25:38.

will benefit from this measure. Care leavers like Jodie

:25:39.:25:51.

and Tiffany could certainly do without the pressure of having

:25:52.:25:53.

to pay council tax when they've just But, on the other hand,

:25:54.:25:56.

many people will question why should these young,

:25:57.:26:01.

vulnerable care leavers benefit from this when other

:26:02.:26:03.

young people don't? If you want to watch that again, you

:26:04.:26:26.

can see it on our programme page. Karen texted, "I work with children

:26:27.:26:30.

in care and it upsets me when we're told we can only support our care

:26:31.:26:33.

leavers for a few weeks and sometimes not at all, especially

:26:34.:26:36.

when we have been main key workers in the time they have spent with

:26:37.:26:42.

us." Peter says, "It is an excuse for the adult to fail." Natalie

:26:43.:26:47.

says, "This shows the realities and challenges many care leavers face."

:26:48.:26:50.

We can now speak to Labour MP Clive Betts.

:26:51.:26:52.

He's chair of the Communities and Local Government Committee

:26:53.:26:55.

which has recommended that all councils exempt care leavers

:26:56.:26:57.

Thank you for joining us. So far, 14 councils are doing it. Is that good

:26:58.:27:07.

enough for you? Well, it isn't, but actually our recommendation was that

:27:08.:27:11.

Government should bring in a national policy for care leavers.

:27:12.:27:16.

So, from the age of 18 to 21, a young person leaving care wouldn't

:27:17.:27:22.

have to pay council tax to help them with what has been describe as a

:27:23.:27:26.

cliff-edge. One minute they are in the local authority care, the local

:27:27.:27:28.

authority does everything and pays everything for them and the next

:27:29.:27:32.

minute they're left by themselves with no support at all to help them.

:27:33.:27:36.

So that will be one way of giving them some assistance to get back

:27:37.:27:40.

into independent living. How do you answer the question that was put in

:27:41.:27:46.

in Ashley's report? That it is why should care leavers benefit

:27:47.:27:52.

financially with council tax exemption where other people might

:27:53.:27:56.

be struggling? We understand and many people struggle financially for

:27:57.:28:00.

different reasons, but when we did our report into homelessness, we

:28:01.:28:04.

talked to young people who had been homeless and found that a lot of

:28:05.:28:08.

young homeless people had been in care in the first place. They had

:28:09.:28:10.

difficult lives and difficult experiences so talking to them, what

:28:11.:28:14.

they described to us was a situation where they came out of care. Young

:28:15.:28:20.

people and other circumstances may have family to support them, maybe

:28:21.:28:24.

able to stay at home for a bit longer, if they leave home, they may

:28:25.:28:27.

get financial support from their family. That isn't open to young

:28:28.:28:33.

people in care. They are in care because they haven't got a family to

:28:34.:28:36.

support emthis. It is a challenging set of circumstances and just that

:28:37.:28:39.

little bit of help and it wouldn't cost us much money to say to the

:28:40.:28:43.

young people who come out of care, you're coming out. You have had

:28:44.:28:46.

difficult lives. Difficult experiences, you're on your own now,

:28:47.:28:50.

but we'll give you that bit of helpment don't way the council tax

:28:51.:28:55.

for the first three years until you're 21 and hopefully that will

:28:56.:28:59.

prevent these young people getting into debt and losing their homes.

:29:00.:29:05.

Does it delay the inevitable though? Putting yourself in the shoes of the

:29:06.:29:08.

young people and we took evidence and talked to young people in these

:29:09.:29:11.

circumstances. A lot of challenges. They're sudden from being in the

:29:12.:29:14.

local authority care, from having everything done for them, they're by

:29:15.:29:18.

themselves with a tiny bit of support maybe. In that situation,

:29:19.:29:23.

just taking one pressure off them, one additional responsibility, one

:29:24.:29:25.

bill coming through the door that they don't have to deal with, just

:29:26.:29:29.

helps them adjust to a situation where eventually they will take

:29:30.:29:32.

responsibility and they will pay their council tax in full.

:29:33.:29:37.

And in terms of the cost of it and the impact on comes, you say it is

:29:38.:29:42.

small cost... Yes. In proportion to other costs. However, it is money

:29:43.:29:46.

that would have to be covered somewhere else in the budget? Of

:29:47.:29:51.

course you cans it is. We call them central Government to do it and it

:29:52.:29:55.

is a tiny drop in the Chancellor's resources. And in the end, if it

:29:56.:30:00.

helps these young people get back into a stable life, a stable way of

:30:01.:30:05.

living, once they have left care, then that actually would probably

:30:06.:30:09.

mean less demand on other services, less demand for help with the debts

:30:10.:30:13.

they get into and hopefully they won't get evicted and end up

:30:14.:30:16.

homeless with the local authority. It could mean savings in term of the

:30:17.:30:20.

pressure that they're going to put on other services to help them out

:30:21.:30:24.

and I think it is just a proper and humane thing to do, to say to these

:30:25.:30:28.

young people, "Look, you have had a difficult life. Here is one way

:30:29.:30:33.

society can help you get back into independent living and hopefully not

:30:34.:30:36.

get into the same problems that we heard many young people get into

:30:37.:30:40.

once they leave care and are left to themselves with the responsibilities

:30:41.:30:44.

and the bills. If there isn't the national strategy, is there anything

:30:45.:30:48.

that can make councils do this? Councils can look at it and see

:30:49.:30:53.

whether perhaps in their own locality and Connells are challenge

:30:54.:30:55.

for resource at present. They have had 40% of the their Government

:30:56.:30:59.

grant taken away since 2010, but if they can find a little bit of mub to

:31:00.:31:03.

help maybe it means those young people don't become a burden and an

:31:04.:31:08.

extra pressure on local services if they get into difficulties and debt

:31:09.:31:11.

and find that they lose their home. So I very much welcome what you said

:31:12.:31:15.

that 14 councils have decided to do this, but in then come on

:31:16.:31:18.

Government, let's find this bit of money to help these young people.

:31:19.:31:23.

Thank you very much. Later, we will be talking to two young people who

:31:24.:31:26.

are benefiting from the new scheme. Two young care leavers and also a

:31:27.:31:32.

council leader of a council that has introduced that policy.

:31:33.:31:40.

Sima says, I can relate to this, I didn't know light bulbs. Thank you

:31:41.:31:44.

for your comments. Still to come, we spoke to them

:31:45.:31:47.

back in March about their battle to save the life of their baby boy

:31:48.:31:50.

Charlie, who receives 24-hour care Half of nurseries in England say

:31:51.:31:53.

they might be unable to provide the full 30 hours of free

:31:54.:31:57.

childcare from September, We'll be discussing why

:31:58.:31:59.

with parents and nurseries. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:32:00.:32:07.

with a summary of today's news. Detectives investigating an attack

:32:08.:32:14.

on a teenage asylum seeker, have released images of three people

:32:15.:32:16.

they want to question. The two men and a woman

:32:17.:32:20.

are being sought about the attack on the 17-year-old boy at Croydon

:32:21.:32:23.

in south London on Friday night. Nine people have

:32:24.:32:28.

already been arrested. One was later released

:32:29.:32:30.

without charge. Police believe up to 20 people

:32:31.:32:32.

were involved in the attack. Donald Trump has warned

:32:33.:32:36.

that the US will solve the North Korean nuclear threat

:32:37.:32:38.

under his leadership. In an interview

:32:39.:32:40.

with the Financial Times, "If China is not going to

:32:41.:32:43.

solve North Korea, we will." Mr Trump confirmed he was referring

:32:44.:32:48.

to direct unilateral action. The comments come ahead of a visit

:32:49.:32:53.

to the US Significant restrictions on the use

:32:54.:32:55.

of bail by police in England The amount of time a suspect

:32:56.:33:01.

released from custody can remain on bail will be limited

:33:02.:33:07.

to 28 days in most cases. According to the Home Office,

:33:08.:33:10.

the move will end the injustice of people left in limbo for months

:33:11.:33:12.

or even years. the change will be unrealistic

:33:13.:33:15.

in complex investigations. Spain's Foreign Minister has said

:33:16.:33:33.

there is no need to lose tempers over Gibraltar. The chief minister

:33:34.:33:36.

of Gibraltar had insisted it would not be used as a bargaining chip in

:33:37.:33:40.

negotiations over Britain's exit from the European Union.

:33:41.:33:43.

The EU's guidelines on the Brexit talks suggest that Spain,

:33:44.:33:46.

which claims sovereignty over the territory,

:33:47.:33:47.

could be able to veto decisions that affect it.

:33:48.:33:50.

But yesterday, Theresa May assured the people of Gibraltar

:33:51.:33:52.

that her government remained committed to them,

:33:53.:33:53.

and that the sovereignty of the Rock was not up for grabs.

:33:54.:33:56.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:33:57.:33:59.

They won the Scottish Premiership title with room to spare,

:34:00.:34:12.

Scott Sinclair's hat-trick helped them to a 5-0 win at Hearts

:34:13.:34:15.

They now need the Scottish Cup title to seal a domestic treble

:34:16.:34:19.

in Brendan Rodgers' first season as manager.

:34:20.:34:22.

The pressure eased slightly on Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger,

:34:23.:34:24.

as his side drew 2-2 with Manchester City

:34:25.:34:29.

protests against him before the match

:34:30.:34:35.

and Wenger insists his future will be revealed soon.

:34:36.:34:50.

Lexi Thompson was punished in the ANA Inspiration golf after a viewer

:34:51.:35:01.

spotted an infraction. Roger Federer has moved up to four the world after

:35:02.:35:05.

winning in Miami, that is all the sport for now, back with more just

:35:06.:35:07.

after ten o'clock. The parents of baby Charlie Gard,

:35:08.:35:10.

who suffers from a rare genetic condition, are hoping to persuade

:35:11.:35:13.

a High Court judge to let them Connie Yates and Chris Gard

:35:14.:35:16.

have now raised over ?1.2 million for the treatment,

:35:17.:35:20.

but UK doctors have opposed Victoria spoke to Connie Yates

:35:21.:35:22.

and Chris Gard last month. It's not really been fine

:35:23.:35:27.

since the day we found At the end of the day, we just

:35:28.:35:30.

want him to be given a chance. You're never going to find

:35:31.:35:38.

treatments or cures for these things What we're asking to give

:35:39.:35:41.

him are not poisons. They're naturally occurring

:35:42.:35:48.

compounds that me and you can produce, and unfortunately he's

:35:49.:35:51.

deficient in them and he can't So, you know, there's no real known

:35:52.:35:54.

side effects to these medications so I kind of think the whole time,

:35:55.:36:03.

why not try? It's just something that

:36:04.:36:07.

his body requires, you know? I know people will say

:36:08.:36:15.

it's very different. If a diabetic doesn't have insulin,

:36:16.:36:19.

then they're in trouble. Insulin is known

:36:20.:36:24.

to be safe in humans. Who was the first

:36:25.:36:28.

person to try this? We feel like because he's got

:36:29.:36:32.

a rare disease, then he hasn't got any treatment at the moment,

:36:33.:36:35.

but he's only number 16. He always has been and always

:36:36.:36:39.

will be our number one priority, but we know how it feels to have

:36:40.:36:46.

someone born with this disease, so if anyone else in the future

:36:47.:36:49.

is born with this disease, we want something that can

:36:50.:36:52.

help this, and we want to find a treatment

:36:53.:36:55.

and cure for the disease. We want parents taken

:36:56.:36:58.

into the side room to say, "We've got something for you,

:36:59.:37:01.

something you can take." We don't want that devastating news

:37:02.:37:04.

of, "There's nothing we can do." Our correspondent Daniel Boettcher

:37:05.:37:10.

is outside the High Court. What happens today, Daniel? Well,

:37:11.:37:23.

Joanna, we expect a judge to hear detailed arguments from both sides

:37:24.:37:29.

in this case. Now, Charlie was born last August, initially he seemed

:37:30.:37:33.

perfectly healthy, but after about six weeks as parents noticed that he

:37:34.:37:37.

was losing weight. When he was eight weeks old, he was taken to a local

:37:38.:37:40.

hospital, initial tests couldn't establish what the matter was. In

:37:41.:37:46.

October, he was then taken to Great Ormond Street Hospital, and he has

:37:47.:37:48.

been diagnosed with a very region and a condition, which is a type of

:37:49.:37:53.

mitochondrial depletion syndrome, and his parents believe he is only

:37:54.:37:58.

the 16th person to be diagnosed with this particular form. The

:37:59.:38:02.

mitochondria are the power units of the cells, if you like, they power

:38:03.:38:06.

various functions of cells, and this condition leads to muscle weakness,

:38:07.:38:13.

progressive muscle weakness, so Charlie is being treated in the

:38:14.:38:17.

intensive care unit at Great Ormond Street Hospital, and the doctors

:38:18.:38:20.

there say that there is no accepted queue. They now believe that

:38:21.:38:25.

withdrawal of life-support treatment is in his best interests, but his

:38:26.:38:29.

parents want to take him to America, where they hope that he can receive

:38:30.:38:32.

treatment. As you have erred, in that interview with them, and at a

:38:33.:38:39.

hearing last month a judge was told that an American hospital will

:38:40.:38:42.

accept him for treatment being trialled there so long as they can

:38:43.:38:45.

pay for it. So is parents have been raising funds, and an online

:38:46.:38:52.

donation page shows that they have already exceeded an initial ?1.2

:38:53.:38:57.

million target, but whether he can be taken to the United States now

:38:58.:39:02.

depends firstly on practicalities, but primarily it will depend on the

:39:03.:39:07.

decision of a judge here, once he has heard both sides of the

:39:08.:39:12.

argument. He will decide what is in Charlie's best interests. Thank you

:39:13.:39:16.

Ray Mutch, Daniel. Lots of you reacting to Ashley's report about

:39:17.:39:22.

the financial pressures on care leavers. Stewart says, good news

:39:23.:39:26.

that councils are reacting to this. Khalid tweets, thank you for your

:39:27.:39:31.

report highlighting these important matters. Tom tweets, councils have

:39:32.:39:40.

legal parenting responsibilities to care leavers, what would any other

:39:41.:39:44.

reasonable parents do to support their child? Robert tweets, their

:39:45.:39:47.

lives have been hard enough, anything to help is a blessing, good

:39:48.:39:51.

luck to them all. Jude says, we need more stories putting the spotlight

:39:52.:39:57.

on what care leavers have to face. Thank you for your comments, we will

:39:58.:40:01.

be talking about that more later with two care leavers who are

:40:02.:40:05.

benefiting from the decision by their councils to wave council tax.

:40:06.:40:08.

It's one year since a British charity worker was was sentenced

:40:09.:40:11.

to five years in jail by a secret Iranian court.

:40:12.:40:13.

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a project manager at

:40:14.:40:19.

the Thomson Reuters Foundation, has been imprisoned in Iran

:40:20.:40:21.

since April, when she was arrested and accused of attempting

:40:22.:40:23.

In a moment, we'll talk to Nazanin's husband Richard, who's here,

:40:24.:40:26.

but first here's a quick reminder of what's happened so far.

:40:27.:41:17.

Let's now speak to Richard Ratcliffe, who's with us.

:41:18.:41:25.

Thank you very much, another anniversary, if you can call it

:41:26.:41:32.

that, tell us what the latest is an Nazanin. Yes, that is right, the

:41:33.:41:37.

latest is she is still in prison, she is still waiting for hospital

:41:38.:41:42.

treatment, so she was very ill back in February, she saw a neurological

:41:43.:41:45.

specialist who said that she needed to be admitted to hospital, but the

:41:46.:41:50.

judge decided it was not going to happen. We have been waiting for

:41:51.:41:55.

that to progress. What the health issues? Is this something that has

:41:56.:41:59.

come about since she was in custody? Yes, she has had a problem with her

:42:00.:42:03.

neck, back and shoulder, and she been passing out, and also not been

:42:04.:42:09.

able to move her arms. At different times, we have at this but don't

:42:10.:42:21.

like -- we have had different reports. She has spasms of pain that

:42:22.:42:30.

sometimes are not so bad, sometimes terrible, and sometimes she is not

:42:31.:42:35.

able to lie down. So I don't know, that is the honest answer. That is

:42:36.:42:40.

obviously physically debilitating what about her mental state? It has

:42:41.:42:45.

been very tough, obviously she was in solitary confinement for the best

:42:46.:42:49.

part of 18 months, moved to general cells after Christmas, and in some

:42:50.:42:53.

ways it is about the legacy of that coming through, she talks about

:42:54.:42:56.

panic attacks, not being able to sleep. One of the things of the

:42:57.:43:00.

interrogation is pressure, threats, and those comeback. -- and those

:43:01.:43:10.

comeback. For me, the hardest part will be the psychological part, that

:43:11.:43:15.

is where the scars will be long-term. Yesterday we mark the

:43:16.:43:19.

anniversary, at a tree in our local park we put loads of messages for

:43:20.:43:23.

what people would do with one day of freedom. The idea of it, really, was

:43:24.:43:28.

to keep an eye on that hope for tomorrow, and when you come out,

:43:29.:43:32.

that there are things we can do together, simple things like go to

:43:33.:43:37.

the beach, have a coffee or watching Gabriella sleep, things we all took

:43:38.:43:42.

for granted. And talking to other prisoners who have come out of the

:43:43.:43:45.

other side, what you lose is the ability to choose, the ability to

:43:46.:43:49.

feel anything other than stress, so to have a list of things to do can

:43:50.:43:55.

help. And are you now resigned to the fact that she has been sentenced

:43:56.:43:58.

to five years and it will be five years? Are their options to get out

:43:59.:44:05.

soon? I can't cope with five years, I was battling very hard to bring

:44:06.:44:08.

her home for Christmas, and that didn't happen, and then there was a

:44:09.:44:13.

bit of a lull, and now I am battling until the summer, I am working in

:44:14.:44:21.

blocks of six months, like a staircase. This was the mark of a

:44:22.:44:27.

new start. In terms of how long, we had a trial, she wasn't allowed to

:44:28.:44:30.

speak at the trial, sentenced to five years. We had an appeal where

:44:31.:44:34.

the sentence was confirmed, she was allowed to say a few words, but it

:44:35.:44:38.

was confirmed, and lies were told. There is a final High Court appeal,

:44:39.:44:43.

no date set, the papers are there for that to happen. So the legal

:44:44.:44:49.

process continues, and the political and diplomatic process continues.

:44:50.:44:52.

And you have a daughter, Gabriella, who is nearly three. And she is

:44:53.:44:57.

there, being looked after by her grandparents. With this situation is

:44:58.:45:02.

so uncertain, in terms of how long Nazanin might be there, can you

:45:03.:45:06.

bring her back? We have been asking for her passport back, the Iranian

:45:07.:45:12.

authorities still have her passport, that is a technicality, but the one

:45:13.:45:15.

thing that is important for Nazanin is to be able to see Gabriella. At

:45:16.:45:21.

the moment, it is once a week, so back in the autumn I was exploring

:45:22.:45:24.

whether I should bring her home, and she said, please don't take my baby

:45:25.:45:29.

away, I live for senior. I made a promise to her that it is a choice,

:45:30.:45:36.

we will keep trying to get the passport back, but fundamentally, if

:45:37.:45:39.

Nazanin can control nothing in this, at least she can decide what happens

:45:40.:45:44.

to Gabriella. Tobias Ellwood, the Minister for the Middle East, has

:45:45.:45:50.

raised the case with Iran and is also supporting you directly. What

:45:51.:45:54.

support our view had? It has got better, we have met with the Foreign

:45:55.:45:58.

Office quite frequently recently, very caring and sympathetic. I

:45:59.:46:07.

suppose my criticism would be of the Government is that there is a glass

:46:08.:46:11.

ceiling, it has never been raised by the Foreign Secretary, and there has

:46:12.:46:18.

never been any criticism. Nazanin was on holiday, held in secret

:46:19.:46:23.

charges, a five-year sentence - you know, all of these Iranian and

:46:24.:46:27.

international laws were broken, and the Government has never said,

:46:28.:46:30.

listen, we don't treat a British citizen like that, it is not

:46:31.:46:31.

acceptable. Do you think what the Government is

:46:32.:46:39.

doing will make any difference then? I want them to bring her home and it

:46:40.:46:43.

would be good for them to stand up for her. Thank you very much,

:46:44.:46:44.

Richard. Thank you. This is about 12 months of growth

:46:45.:46:54.

since chemo finished and it has come Victoria says goodbye

:46:55.:47:06.

to her wig in her latest video diary charting her recovery

:47:07.:47:12.

from breast cancer. From September, some children

:47:13.:47:17.

in England will be eligible for 30 It's double what's

:47:18.:47:20.

currently on offer. But we've been told that about half

:47:21.:47:24.

of nurseries are either uncertain if they'll be offering the scheme

:47:25.:47:27.

or have decided already to opt out. The Government says 390,000

:47:28.:47:30.

three and four-year-olds in England will be eligible,

:47:31.:47:31.

but some say it could be closer to 500,000, meaning

:47:32.:47:34.

a shortage of spaces. Research from the Pre-School

:47:35.:47:42.

Learning Alliance, a charity representing childcare providers,

:47:43.:47:44.

suggests that over 36% of nurseries are unsure if they will offer

:47:45.:47:54.

the 30 hours scheme, while almost 20% say

:47:55.:47:56.

they are definitely opting out. The majority of providers say

:47:57.:47:58.

government funding falls short of the actual hourly cost of looking

:47:59.:48:01.

after a child and there are fears many nurseries could be forced

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to close under the new scheme. Let's talk now to Neil Leitch,

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who is the chief executive of the Pre-School Learning Alliance

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who carried out this research. Liz Burnett, whose nursery

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won't be offering 30 hours. Jane Jones, who is unsure

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if their nursery can or not. Luisa Element, a mother of two whose

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youngest son is eligible but his nursery doesn't know

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if they can offer it. Vanessa Warn, a nursery owner

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from York who was part of the government trial,

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and with her Jill Campbell, a mother who's child goes

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to Vanessa's nursery and under 30 Thank you very much for joining us.

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Neil, you have been carrying out the research. Tell us more about what

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you have found in terms of how many private providers will be offering

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the 30 hours? Well, the difficult thing is we already know that many

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providers are reluctant to participate. This research which was

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over 1300 participants, around 44% only have said that they would

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participate so we are left with a huge void in terms of the number of

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places that are likely to be available come September and that is

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pretty poor news for parents who think they can knock on the door and

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come in and a place will be available. The research is saying

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that's not the case. Liz, you are one of those saying you will not

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offer the 30 hours, why not? We are a village pre-school. We're only

:49:34.:49:39.

open for 30 hours a week. And we are under funded on the 15 hours

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currently. So therefore, we will have lost about ?24,000 this year in

:49:46.:49:51.

terms of offering the 15 free hours. Therefore, with under funding, still

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an issue as of September, to offer the 30 would be financial suicide

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for us. Would you go bust, would you? Yeah, we would be unable to

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keep the doors open, but by not offering it, we are, you know,

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perhaps going to be losing parents who are looking for the 30 hours

:50:10.:50:15.

offer. Jane, you're not sure if your nursery will be able to offer the 30

:50:16.:50:20.

hours. What are the considerations for you? It is the same as Liz, it

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is the finance. We have the capacity, but we have been under

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funded since 2015. We were about ?17,000 short 2015/2016 so we're

:50:34.:50:37.

thinking about maybe offering five places and have some policy in place

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to decide which parents would get that. Possibly if they previously

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had two-year-old funding and had got into work, but as we have trustees,

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we need to look at and see what's the best option for us. Let's go to

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Vanessa, your nursery was part of the Government trial. Did it work

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out? How did it work financially? It worked extremely well for York. York

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has a strong partnership with its local authority and we were allowed

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to charge additional services with the bletsing of the Department of

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Education. So we were able to not lose any money basically, we were

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able to communicate with our parents to explain that the Government gave

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us ?4 an hour, my nursery charges ?5. So we were able to charge our

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parents ?1 for additional services like food and nappies, forest school

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and then that actually was met really positively by our parents and

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we didn't lose any money. Jill, you're sitting a long side Vanessa.

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You are one of those parents, how did you feel about paying towards

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what was billed as free childcare? Because the childcare funding had

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made such an I will pact to our monthly bills, I didn't see it as

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having to pay towards the daily cost of my daughter having to attend the

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nursery. I had already seen it as a massive benefit being able to access

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the funding so I was more than willing to pay the additional pound.

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Liz and Jane, is that something you could consider to make it viable? At

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the moment, our children bring packed lunches in. I know that some

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nurseries have been charging for lunches and things like that, but we

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don't have facilities to provide a meal as such so... What about

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nappies? Again, families bring their own nappies in and things so the

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children arrive each day with a bag which has nappies and things like

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that. So we are really quite stuck on where we could charge for extras.

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Our only options being potentially to open for an extra hour of the

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day, but we have staff who have children themselves and therefore,

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you know, they're dropping them off at quarter to nine and picking up at

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just gone 3pm, to stretch our day from 8.30am to 3.30pm would create a

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big impact on our staffing arrangement. Jane, what about you?

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We are the same. We are on a school site, and they can have a hot meal

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and a That would be charged at the same rate as the school. We take

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children from two. We don't have that many in nappies and those

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parents bring those. And also parents bring something for snack

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time for us as well. So we don't have really any scope for charging

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extra. You have got a two-year-old boy who will be eligible for the 30

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hours from September, but you don't know if his nursery will offer it?

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What have they said? I've asked them a number of times now and they keep

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saying they are having meetings about it, but they haven't decided

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which means that in the moon time, we're if limbo waiting for a

:53:57.:54:00.

decision because we're faced with having to find another childcare

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provider for one year before my son goes to school. I'm fully expecting

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them to say that it is not financially viable, but until we get

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a des we are just waiting. What options do you have? Well, the

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school that my oldest son goes to have already said they were not

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going to offer the 30 hours in their nursery. So the option we have, I

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guess, is to either leave him where he is and take the hit and not get

:54:27.:54:30.

the 30 hours funding that we are entitled to or find somewhere else

:54:31.:54:34.

that does offer the 30 hours, but that's another issue because we

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don't know yet where is going to be offering it because lots of people

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haven't decided yet. So it's tricky. Neil, local authorities have to

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offer the 30 hours for free, don't they? There is always an option?

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They have an obligation to offer it, but at the end of the day, it is

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down to the provider and I think what we really need to remember here

:54:54.:54:58.

is held out to be free childcare, so the real crit is that parents

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shouldn't have to pay additional charges and if Government haven't

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put enough money in, they should make up the difference. There is no

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such thing as free childcare, there is subsidised childcare. They need

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to be honest and say that's what it is. When the policy was announced a

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couple of weeks before the election, no consultation. The Government had

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no idea of what it would cost. They had no idea of whether there was

:55:21.:55:23.

capacity within the sector to deliver it and when you look at

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numbers, when they announced it pre-election, they said 630,000

:55:29.:55:33.

parents would benefit. When it came to post election, only 390,000, I'd

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suggest if you walked into any business, commercial environment,

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put an offer like that on the table, you would be laughed out of the

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building, yet we as providers are expected to make up for a poor

:55:46.:55:50.

policy. When there is criticism of charges, it won't fall on

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Government. It will be on Liz and Jane. It would be be on ministers.

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How many parents would you estimate would actually end up not being able

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to access it or having to pay an element? 44% of providers. At the

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moment we estimate 200,000 of those parents will not find a place as it

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stands and Government recognises that. Hidden in the last Budget...

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That's 50%? 50% roughly speaking. Hidden in the last Budget Government

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said we're not going to have to spend the same amount of free

:56:27.:56:32.

extended 15 hours. They recognise it. They just won't put enough money

:56:33.:56:38.

in. Jill, you said that at least it has mitigated your childcare costs,

:56:39.:56:42.

but in terms of a policy where you're told you're going to get free

:56:43.:56:45.

childcare and then you have to pay towards it. How do you feel about

:56:46.:56:51.

that? I think, every parent would be different. For me personally, I was

:56:52.:57:00.

more than willing to contribute towards my daughter's daily cost at

:57:01.:57:05.

nursery because I wouldn't want any nursery to have to suffer and

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therefore the child have to suffer because of an inability for the

:57:12.:57:17.

nursery to be able to survive on the reduced funding that they receive

:57:18.:57:20.

from the local authorities. If you had to pay, how would you

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feel about that? Well, we're paying already

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obviously. But having been told, you're eligible for 30 free hours

:57:32.:57:39.

and you may not get that? Obviously I would prefer not to

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prefer for the hours that we are entitled. We have to see how that's

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going to pan out. It is not looking particularly good for us, yeah, of

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course, I would like to take up the 30 hours that we're entitled to.

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What's it like, Liz, when you've got parents coming to you saying, "Hang

:57:58.:58:04.

on, I'm entitled to this." And you're telling them you're not

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offering it? We're lucky and we have supportive parents and the withins

:58:09.:58:11.

that we have spoken to and explained the situation and told them how

:58:12.:58:15.

under funded we actually are on a per child per hour cost have

:58:16.:58:20.

actually said well, we understand and we appreciate why you are unable

:58:21.:58:25.

to do so. They are disappointed. Obviously from their prospective

:58:26.:58:29.

they would like to have us offering the full 30 hours, we are three

:58:30.:58:35.

times outstanding sort of facility. Our parents are really happy with

:58:36.:58:40.

what we do, but they do appreciate that financially we are unable to

:58:41.:58:45.

carry that cost. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us.

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The Department for Education told us they are putting a record ?6 billion

:58:50.:58:52.

into childcare per year by 2020, including ?300 million

:58:53.:58:54.

to increase the hourly funding rates paid to nurseries,

:58:55.:58:56.

They said, "The vast majority of providers will see their funding

:58:57.:59:00.

rate increase and councils will have to pass 95 % of this funding

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Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

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We have had fog. Some frost and sunshine and rain. Most of the fog

:59:20.:59:25.

will lift during the course of the next couple of hours. But there will

:59:26.:59:29.

be some sea fog lapping on shore as we go through the course of the day.

:59:30.:59:34.

It will hold the temperature back. We have got rain coming across

:59:35.:59:39.

Northern Ireland and Scotland. And pushing towards the South East

:59:40.:59:42.

overnight. Overnight. Behind it, there will be cloud and for England

:59:43.:59:45.

and Wales not as cold a night as it was last night, but a cooler night

:59:46.:59:48.

across Scotland and Northern Ireland. So this is how we start

:59:49.:59:50.

tomorrow with a weather front in the south-east. Still producing rain,

:59:51.:59:56.

albeit patchy. That clears away, leaving residual cloud with the odd

:59:57.:59:59.

spot of drizzle coming out of that, but for most it will be dry and

:00:00.:00:02.

bright and there will be somebody shine. A lot of showers blowing in

:00:03.:00:06.

on a gusty wind across the north of Scotland. In Shetland some of those

:00:07.:00:12.

could be wintry, and our temperature eight Celsius in the north to 15

:00:13.:00:14.

Celsius in the south. Hello, it's Monday,

:00:15.:00:18.

I'm Joanna Gosling, in for Victoria. Police say they want to question

:00:19.:00:23.

three more people over the vicious beating of a teenage asylum

:00:24.:00:26.

seeker in Croydon. There have been eight

:00:27.:00:28.

arrests so far. Police are due to hold a news

:00:29.:00:30.

conference in the next half hour. We take a look at the financial

:00:31.:00:33.

challenges faced by young people when they leave the care system

:00:34.:00:36.

at 18 and the local "That's it, we no longer need

:00:37.:00:38.

to be in contact with you, you've now hit that age

:00:39.:00:42.

where you can live by yourself independently, and there you go,

:00:43.:00:45.

off you go into the world," kind of thing, and there was

:00:46.:00:47.

not much preparation for that. Outrage after ?250,000

:00:48.:00:56.

of tampon tax money is used to help fund

:00:57.:01:00.

an anti-abortion charity. One MP tells us the ground should be

:01:01.:01:10.

stopped. The tampon tax fund was about empowering women, it is one of

:01:11.:01:13.

the biggest awards to a charity which takes choice away from women.

:01:14.:01:20.

Surely women, if we do believe in choice, must have more than one

:01:21.:01:23.

choice. That interview in full at half-mast. Also coming up...

:01:24.:01:33.

How brilliant is he?! He is 11 years old and from Nottingham.

:01:34.:01:38.

last night as the world's youngest orchestra conductor

:01:39.:01:44.

We will talk with him and his mum live a little later this hour.

:01:45.:01:50.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:51.:01:58.

Detectives investigating an attack on a teenage asylum seeker,

:01:59.:02:00.

Have now charged five people. Police investigating the attack last Friday

:02:01.:02:12.

believe up to 20 people were involved in the attack.

:02:13.:02:16.

Donald Trump has warned that the US will solve the North Korean nuclear

:02:17.:02:19.

In an interview with the Financial Times,

:02:20.:02:21.

"If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will."

:02:22.:02:25.

Mr Trump confirmed he was referring to direct unilateral action.

:02:26.:02:28.

The comments come ahead of a visit to the US

:02:29.:02:35.

Significant restrictions on the use of bail by police in England

:02:36.:02:39.

The amount of time a suspect released from custody can remain

:02:40.:02:43.

on bail will be limited to 28 days in most cases.

:02:44.:02:46.

The decision is in response to concerns that people

:02:47.:02:48.

were being left in limbo for months or even years.

:02:49.:02:51.

as our home affairs correspondent June Kelly reports.

:02:52.:02:55.

Famous faces who've been under police investigation,

:02:56.:02:58.

finally told they wouldn't be facing charges,

:02:59.:02:59.

but only after long months on bail.

:03:00.:03:03.

They were among the 5000 still on bail after a year.

:03:04.:03:06.

The Government says the system needed rebalancing.

:03:07.:03:09.

Well, what's happened in the past is people could be put on bail

:03:10.:03:13.

with no end in sight and no check or balance, which means we had

:03:14.:03:17.

thousands of people could be on bail for 12 months or more.

:03:18.:03:20.

In fact, there were examples of people on for several years,

:03:21.:03:22.

We've got to make sure we've got a proper system that is

:03:23.:03:27.

It's part of an overhaul of the bail system in England and Wales.

:03:28.:03:31.

From now on, some suspects won't be subject to police bail at all.

:03:32.:03:34.

For those who are bailed, in most cases, the limit will be 28 days.

:03:35.:03:38.

But a senior police officer will be able to grant one three-month

:03:39.:03:43.

The police will have to seek the permission of a magistrate

:03:44.:03:48.

The Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers,

:03:49.:03:51.

28 days, in the cycle of a police officer,

:03:52.:03:56.

is not a long time for investigating a crime.

:03:57.:03:58.

You've also got to bear in mind, in relation to external inquiries,

:03:59.:04:01.

what we tend to have is external resource, so we have got

:04:02.:04:05.

the Forensic Science Service, CPS, and 28 days is not realistic

:04:06.:04:08.

for them to come back to us with the information

:04:09.:04:11.

The Police Federation said the old system protected

:04:12.:04:16.

complainants and victims and helped prevent further offending.

:04:17.:04:20.

Spain's Foreign Minister has said this morning

:04:21.:04:25.

that there's no need to lose tempers over Gibraltar.

:04:26.:04:28.

He was speaking after Gibraltar's chief minister insisted yesterday

:04:29.:04:30.

that the territory won't be used as a bargaining chip

:04:31.:04:34.

in negotiations over Britain's exit from the European Union.

:04:35.:04:37.

The EU's guidelines on the Brexit talks suggest that Spain,

:04:38.:04:39.

which claims sovereignty over the Gibraltar,

:04:40.:04:42.

might be able to veto decisions that affect the territory.

:04:43.:04:50.

This morning, Boris Johnson said there would be no change in the

:04:51.:04:55.

status of Gibraltar without the consent of its people. Well, I think

:04:56.:05:01.

the position of the Government is very clear, which is that the

:05:02.:05:04.

sovereignty of Gibraltar is unchanged, and it is not going to

:05:05.:05:08.

change, and cannot conceivably change without the express support

:05:09.:05:12.

and consent of the people of Gibraltar, and the United Kingdom,

:05:13.:05:15.

and that is not go the change will stop thanks a lot!

:05:16.:05:17.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:05:18.:05:19.

Loads of you getting in touch about the financial pressures on care

:05:20.:05:28.

leavers, Christian has e-mailed, students are exempt from council

:05:29.:05:32.

tax, so no reason why we shouldn't give care leavers the same support.

:05:33.:05:36.

Although 18 is the legal age for adults and, the transition from

:05:37.:05:39.

adolescence varies from person to person. Those who have been in

:05:40.:05:45.

institutional care likely to cope than other teenagers, this is

:05:46.:05:53.

sensible. Robina says, as well as exemption from council tax, it would

:05:54.:05:57.

be good to have a centre whereby such Kellie Wells can live together

:05:58.:06:02.

and be given a bit of targeted support if necessary. -- such care

:06:03.:06:09.

leavers can live together. Melnicescu and this needs to be

:06:10.:06:14.

combined with improved training. -- Melanie says. Many services are

:06:15.:06:25.

under too much pressure or not delivering adequate support to the

:06:26.:06:30.

children. Michael has e-mailed, care leavers deserve all the help they

:06:31.:06:34.

need because the effect of being in care can last throughout their

:06:35.:06:37.

lives. I was in care for ten years and lived in several children's

:06:38.:06:40.

homes, when it was time to leave, it was deemed I was not capable of

:06:41.:06:45.

living on my own because I was institutionalised, and instead I was

:06:46.:06:49.

put into a hostel. Despite spending most of my life in care, it was as

:06:50.:06:53.

if I had never been in care, eyelid in the hostel for ten years, not

:06:54.:06:59.

sure what to do. -- I lived. I attempted to kill myself, I spent a

:07:00.:07:03.

week in intensive care, but fortunately I survived, I am glad I

:07:04.:07:08.

did, I am a single parent with two beautiful girls. Gina says, I am an

:07:09.:07:12.

81-year-old pensioner who gets no help from the state and my biggest

:07:13.:07:16.

worry is paying my council tax bill. But I have a well furnished home and

:07:17.:07:20.

enough money to pay the rest of my bills, these young men and women

:07:21.:07:25.

need all the help they can get, they seem to have been forgotten in the

:07:26.:07:30.

space of things. Come on, they should be given a free grant, it is

:07:31.:07:36.

disgusting how young adults are left like this. And Julie says, I have no

:07:37.:07:39.

contact with my family after leaving home at the age of 17. Thank you for

:07:40.:07:48.

your thoughts and comments, do get in touch. Texts will be charged at

:07:49.:07:49.

the standard network rate. Let's get some sport

:07:50.:07:52.

with Hugh Woozencroft. Good morning and very good if you

:07:53.:07:56.

are a fan of Celtic. It may be only the first week of

:07:57.:08:01.

April, but Brendan Rodgers side have clinched the Scottish Premiership

:08:02.:08:05.

again after beating Scott Sinclair scored a hat-trick,

:08:06.:08:06.

which helped put them 25 points clear of second-placed Aberdeen,

:08:07.:08:11.

and they're still on for the domestic treble -

:08:12.:08:17.

having won the League Cup, they are also into the last four

:08:18.:08:19.

in the Scottish Cup. I am very honoured and very

:08:20.:08:29.

privileged to manage Glasgow Celtic. When you support a team like this as

:08:30.:08:32.

a boy, and you know the history of the club, I was happy to take on the

:08:33.:08:39.

responsibility to make the supporters dream and make the

:08:40.:08:43.

supporters happy. This coming season, and hopefully for years to

:08:44.:08:44.

come. Manchester United defender

:08:45.:08:47.

Luke Shaw's future at the club is in doubt following

:08:48.:08:49.

a stinging attack from his manager,

:08:50.:08:51.

Jose Mourinho. He thinks the England international

:08:52.:08:52.

isn't even deserving saying Shaw lacks commitment,

:08:53.:08:54.

focus and ambition. He's only played 15 times

:08:55.:08:58.

the season, with his boss claiming he is a long way behind his

:08:59.:09:03.

competition for a place in the team. Lexi Thompson, the American golfer,

:09:04.:09:07.

must be heartbroken after an eagle-eyed television

:09:08.:09:09.

viewer called in to say they'd spotted an infringement

:09:10.:09:11.

that cost her a major title. It happened at the first women's

:09:12.:09:16.

golf major of the year, with Thompson holding

:09:17.:09:18.

a two-shot lead in tournament. She only found out

:09:19.:09:23.

with six holes to play, and the infringement happened

:09:24.:09:29.

a full 24 hours beforehand. She was left in tears,

:09:30.:09:35.

calling it ridiculous, as she was handed a four-stroke

:09:36.:09:37.

penalty, losing her lead and eventually the title as well

:09:38.:09:39.

in a play-off to So Yeon Ryu The 14-time Major winner

:09:40.:09:43.

Tiger Woods tweeted, "Viewers at home should not be

:09:44.:09:47.

officials wearing stripes." Former US Open winner

:09:48.:09:51.

Graeme McDowell said, "Another rough day for the deep dark

:09:52.:09:53.

complex rules of golf, simplification cannot

:09:54.:09:55.

come quick enough." Finally, Lexi Thompson herself took

:09:56.:09:57.

to Instagram a few hours ago, saying, "Well, it was an emotional

:09:58.:10:02.

day here for me, first off I do want to say what I had done

:10:03.:10:06.

was 100% not intentional." I played amazing today, probably the

:10:07.:10:18.

best golf I played all week. I wasn't expecting that on whatever

:10:19.:10:22.

hole it was, I did not intentionally do that, so to the officials or

:10:23.:10:26.

whoever called in, that was not my purpose. I didn't realise I did

:10:27.:10:32.

that. But you know, I fought hard coming in, I didn't give up, I knew

:10:33.:10:37.

I could still win, but so many players played great, so congrats.

:10:38.:10:42.

Things went slightly better for Roger Federer.

:10:43.:10:46.

He says he'll have some time off after winning the Miami Open.

:10:47.:10:49.

He beat Spain's Rafa Nadal in straight sets to move up

:10:50.:10:53.

to fourth in the world rankings but won't play most of the clay

:10:54.:10:57.

court season and will probably next appear at the French Open

:10:58.:10:59.

That is all the sport for now, we will be back with more at around

:11:00.:11:04.

10:30. While most teenagers are living

:11:05.:11:06.

at home when they turn 18, are suddenly thrust

:11:07.:11:09.

into a grown-up world. They can find themselves

:11:10.:11:12.

alone in a flat with all Managing money is one of the biggest

:11:13.:11:15.

challenges, and a new scheme, so far adopted by 14 councils,

:11:16.:11:19.

aims to help. Our reporter

:11:20.:11:22.

Ashley John-Baptiste, who was himself in care,

:11:23.:11:23.

has this report. and I moved into a council

:11:24.:11:28.

flat on this street. I'm really nervous,

:11:29.:11:34.

because I haven't been back here for at least,

:11:35.:11:36.

say, five years. But this is the flat I moved

:11:37.:11:39.

into when I left care when I had to fend for myself as an adult,

:11:40.:11:47.

and I can see the flat. I remember thinking,

:11:48.:11:51.

"What the heck?" "I've got to go and live

:11:52.:11:56.

independently by myself I remember the toughest weekend

:11:57.:11:58.

potentially of my life was when I had 37p to live off

:11:59.:12:06.

for a weekend, and all I could afford was an onion,

:12:07.:12:12.

and I had a bit of tuna, and I made pasta tuna

:12:13.:12:16.

and lived by myself. I know I wasn't alone in finding it

:12:17.:12:28.

difficult to leave care, Research suggests well over half

:12:29.:12:32.

of care leavers struggle That's why as of this month some

:12:33.:12:38.

councils have decided to stop charging care leavers council tax

:12:39.:12:44.

until they are older. In reality, only a small number

:12:45.:12:49.

of care leavers will benefit. The councils that are doing this

:12:50.:12:55.

hope it will ease the sudden Tiffany was taken into care

:12:56.:12:58.

on Christmas Eve when she was five. Growing up, she was moved 15 times

:12:59.:13:13.

all over the country. They officially went,

:13:14.:13:18.

"That's it, we no longer need to be in contact with you,

:13:19.:13:24.

you've now hit that age when you can live by yourself

:13:25.:13:26.

independently and there you go, off you go into the world,"

:13:27.:13:29.

kind of thing, and there was not much

:13:30.:13:31.

preparation for that. It's my bank.

:13:32.:13:34.

Do you know what it says? "We are aware that you

:13:35.:13:36.

couldn't make payment." Can I have a read?

:13:37.:13:40.

Do you mind? About 2000 across

:13:41.:13:44.

different companies. Council tax bills

:13:45.:13:51.

are probably the worst one. This is my place that

:13:52.:13:53.

nobody can take away from me. Jodie was taken into care

:13:54.:14:14.

when she was eight but said she was also excited at

:14:15.:14:16.

the prospect of being independent. How did you cope with the pressures

:14:17.:14:27.

of being an adult, If you don't open the post,

:14:28.:14:30.

then you don't have to deal with it. Some councils have decided to scrap

:14:31.:14:39.

council tax for young care leavers. Do you think this is a measure

:14:40.:14:45.

that will help care leavers? Yeah, I do.

:14:46.:14:49.

It gives them the chance to adjust. But some might say why should care

:14:50.:14:55.

leavers benefit from this, but not other vulnerable groups

:14:56.:14:58.

in society? People who come from a normal family

:14:59.:15:03.

have that, "Can I borrow 20 quid?" There have been times when I've got

:15:04.:15:08.

literally nothing in the cupboards, and I've gone hungry

:15:09.:15:13.

because I have nobody to lend me We can now speak to

:15:14.:15:16.

Tiffany Bacchus, who is 20 She spent two years in care

:15:17.:15:29.

from the age of 16. She has struggled to pay her council

:15:30.:15:33.

tax in the past but is now exempt. Ria Roberts is from west

:15:34.:15:37.

London and was in care She's now 21 and has just moved

:15:38.:15:39.

into her own council flat, and a change on 1st April means

:15:40.:15:44.

she won't have to pay council tax. Claire Ward is a housing

:15:45.:15:49.

advice officer for care Stephen Cowan is the leader

:15:50.:15:51.

of Hammersmith and Fulham council, he's a Labour councillor

:15:52.:15:55.

and who have just stopped charging Thank you for joining us. Tiffany

:15:56.:16:09.

you went into care from 16 to 18. At 18 you went into your own flat. Tell

:16:10.:16:14.

us what that was like and how you coped? It was a shock going in from

:16:15.:16:19.

so much help to taking a step back and having to manage all your bills

:16:20.:16:22.

and get a straight head on things very quickly. And how did you cope

:16:23.:16:29.

with bills? Just budgeting plans and getting as much help as k and not

:16:30.:16:34.

being scared to ask for help and looking into what you are entitled

:16:35.:16:39.

to. You have to be quite savvy? Yeah. When bills are coming in and

:16:40.:16:43.

you're fearing you haven't got the money to pay them, it must be

:16:44.:16:46.

frightening? It worries and then you're not able to think about the

:16:47.:16:52.

other smaller bills. So they get out of control sometimes. We are talking

:16:53.:16:56.

today about care leavers being exempt from council tax. That does

:16:57.:17:01.

come in in your area, but before that came in, how much of a burden

:17:02.:17:06.

was council tax? It was a worry. No one likes to have debt on their

:17:07.:17:09.

back... You had a debt, did you have? Yes and to have that there at

:17:10.:17:14.

the time was just a worry, I couldn't focus and feel like I could

:17:15.:17:18.

go out and have fun just for the fact that was at the back of my

:17:19.:17:22.

mind. Were you being pursued for the debt? Yes, I was being pursued. I

:17:23.:17:30.

didn't know I was entitled, to North Somerset Council to help me pay.

:17:31.:17:35.

Were you being pursued by bailiffs? Yes, I was. You were 18. Yeah, I was

:17:36.:17:41.

18 when they came to the door. It was like, "You've got six hours to

:17:42.:17:46.

get it all sorted." Luckily Clare Ward and the team in North Somerset

:17:47.:17:52.

Council said, "She is a care leaver. You can't be going knocking on

:17:53.:17:57.

doors." Sometimes they don't believe the situation and that's their jobs

:17:58.:18:03.

to pursue that. Clare, you were able to help Tiffany and how many others

:18:04.:18:06.

in this situation? I'm not sure of the numbers, but part of what North

:18:07.:18:11.

Somerset do is with the care leavers, we don't take legal action.

:18:12.:18:17.

They stop any legal action for any previous debt so there won't be any

:18:18.:18:22.

bailiffs turning up. So we are getting this sorted out. It came in

:18:23.:18:28.

in 1st April 2016. This is our first full year. It has been a learning

:18:29.:18:32.

curve, but it is working really well. What was your prospective

:18:33.:18:36.

previously on the impact of council tax on care leavers? I came in just

:18:37.:18:44.

before it came in last year, my prodesesor, but we are their

:18:45.:18:47.

corporate parents and these young people don't have a parent to lend

:18:48.:18:52.

them the odd ?50 or ?60. We felt this was something we had a little

:18:53.:18:57.

bit of control over, that we could help them financially to ease them

:18:58.:19:00.

into the independent living. And that's the approach that you've

:19:01.:19:06.

taken as well, Stephen Cawan at Hammersmith and Fulham Council. How

:19:07.:19:10.

would you define the role of a council in terms of parenting kids

:19:11.:19:15.

in care? We're the corporate parent and any parent anywhere has a

:19:16.:19:18.

responsibility to make sure their children have the best possible

:19:19.:19:21.

start in life, but too often care leavers don't have that, so we have

:19:22.:19:25.

been working with some of the care leavers and looking at policies we

:19:26.:19:30.

can implement to make the transition into adulthood easier and getting

:19:31.:19:33.

rid of council tax just seemed an obvious step, but I would stress we

:19:34.:19:36.

see that as the start. We want children in our care to go on and

:19:37.:19:40.

have the best possible life and we know that any corporate parent

:19:41.:19:44.

should be there for them throughout just as much as parents are for

:19:45.:19:50.

their own children. So, you're benefiting from what's happening in

:19:51.:19:54.

Hammersmith and Fulham. Tell us about your situation. Because I'm

:19:55.:20:00.

working part-time I don't get a lot of money. I think I save about

:20:01.:20:08.

?3,000 over the next four years, I'm 21 now. It ends when I'm 25. It is

:20:09.:20:12.

amazing to have that. Like I can spend money on going on holiday or

:20:13.:20:16.

anything else. You mentioned other things that might help people. What

:20:17.:20:21.

more do you think? We are looking at how we can help children get into

:20:22.:20:26.

internships, Ria wants to work at somewhere like the BBC. Parents

:20:27.:20:29.

normally go the extra mile and we are looking at what we can do to

:20:30.:20:33.

help facilitate a child's ambitions to have the type of life they want.

:20:34.:20:38.

We think it is a critical part of being a parent and that's what we

:20:39.:20:42.

intend to do. The question was put in Ashley's report, what about other

:20:43.:20:47.

vulnerable people? How much does all of this cost the council and where

:20:48.:20:52.

do you get, where do you take the money from? There will be 35

:20:53.:20:56.

children leaving, becoming over the age of 18 this year, and therefore

:20:57.:20:59.

applicable to council tax normally. It will cost us ?49,000 a year to

:21:00.:21:03.

abolish that for them. We think it is a good investment and we think

:21:04.:21:06.

anyone who is in a difficult position needs our help which is why

:21:07.:21:11.

we're investing in foodbanks and why we are the only council to take

:21:12.:21:16.

children out of bed and breakfast accommodation. These children did

:21:17.:21:19.

not ask to come into our care, they were put in for specific reasons and

:21:20.:21:23.

we owe them and we are taking that seriously. Give us your personal

:21:24.:21:29.

prospective on that Ria? I'm lucky because I have a lot of support from

:21:30.:21:34.

my whole experience in care. Being able to volunteer abroad and along

:21:35.:21:40.

with other things. So now hearing if I want to apply for an

:21:41.:21:45.

apprenticeship, these guys are going to back me and help me with. That's

:21:46.:21:51.

amazing. How about you? I agree with the amount of support you get. Just

:21:52.:21:54.

to have that, OK not to worry, calm do you think we'll sort it out and

:21:55.:21:58.

then if everything goes well, we will see what else we can aim for.

:21:59.:22:04.

Lots of comments coming in from viewers who watched Ashley's report

:22:05.:22:10.

and are watching now. A tweet from Vonnie, "After leaving care and

:22:11.:22:14.

entering the homeless system, I have been in debt my entire adult

:22:15.:22:20.

livment" A viewer says, "All the best to both of them. They deserve

:22:21.:22:25.

the best." A social worker says, "I have worked for foster carers and I

:22:26.:22:30.

would be horrified if I found a foster carer was not providing a

:22:31.:22:35.

foster child with the necessary skills." ""There are many reasons

:22:36.:22:43.

why young people need to leave home. Family can't afford to keep them.

:22:44.:22:48.

Bad family relationships. No chance of work in their area, I could go

:22:49.:22:52.

on." What's your reaction to the last comment, Clare? Yeah. Like I

:22:53.:22:58.

said, we are the corporate parent. I think, it's not just financial

:22:59.:23:01.

support that parents give, it is a emotional support. So, you know,

:23:02.:23:06.

your child might pick up the phone and say, "Mum, dad, can you help

:23:07.:23:10.

with this?" We help with emotional support. We are always there, our

:23:11.:23:13.

office has a room where the young people can come, where they can do

:23:14.:23:18.

their washing and cook meals and use the computer and use the phone.

:23:19.:23:21.

There is always someone there to talk to, a friendly face, that's

:23:22.:23:26.

important. The financial side is very important, but that emotional

:23:27.:23:30.

side is also important, I think. We're hearing from you representing

:23:31.:23:34.

councils where this is being done, this level of support is being

:23:35.:23:38.

given. It may not be the same everywhere. It is not the same

:23:39.:23:43.

everywhere, is it? No, it's not. And it's up to those councils to make

:23:44.:23:47.

the decisions that are right for their resident. I do thank the

:23:48.:23:51.

Children's Society who have been pushing this. This is the right

:23:52.:23:54.

thing to do and no matter where there is hardship, where we need to

:23:55.:23:58.

try and fix, we should make sure that we take council tax away from

:23:59.:24:03.

children in care if that's possible and I'm glad we have been able to do

:24:04.:24:07.

it. You want to go in the media and work at the BBC. I'm sure we can, I

:24:08.:24:12.

don't know, I'm sure we can help you. We will do our best. We would

:24:13.:24:16.

love to help you. Tell us more about your am bishings? Yes, so, I'm

:24:17.:24:22.

studying film and television at the moment and hopefully in September I

:24:23.:24:26.

can get on to an apprenticeship and I don't know, start from there. It

:24:27.:24:33.

be a runner, but my dream is to be a writer/film director. Dream big.

:24:34.:24:37.

Follow your dreams. What about you Tiffany? I'm aiming to go on the

:24:38.:24:46.

midwifery side of things, but I'm an adventurous person, support worker,

:24:47.:24:49.

care worker to midwife and see where that takes me. Good luck. It is

:24:50.:24:54.

great to have you all in. Thank you very much.

:24:55.:24:58.

Keep your comments coming in. So many of you getting in touch. We

:24:59.:24:59.

appreciate those comments. As you know, Victoria has

:25:00.:25:03.

been keeping a video diary for this programme,

:25:04.:25:06.

having been diagnosed The diaries have chronicled her

:25:07.:25:07.

mastectomy, chemotherapy and radiotherapy to try and help

:25:08.:25:10.

demystify the treatment. Following chemotherapy,

:25:11.:25:12.

Victoria lost quite a lot of her hair and has been wearing

:25:13.:25:14.

a wig for the last 16 months. OK, so it's time to stop wearing

:25:15.:25:17.

a wig, which I have been wearing since December 2015,

:25:18.:25:23.

since I had chemotherapy And probably about half my hair,

:25:24.:25:25.

maybe three-quarters of my hair, fell out as a result of that

:25:26.:25:35.

treatment, and I have to say losing my hair was the worst bit

:25:36.:25:38.

about cancer treatment for me. And I'm grateful to this wig,

:25:39.:25:41.

actually, because it helped me get on with things,

:25:42.:25:50.

go to work, live my life This is about 12 months of growth

:25:51.:25:53.

since chemo finished. And it's come back as thick

:25:54.:26:18.

as it was, if not thicker. Slightly more ringlety

:26:19.:26:21.

than it was before. But I am actually apprehensive

:26:22.:26:33.

about it, about taking my wig off, But I know it doesn't really matter

:26:34.:26:36.

what my hair looks like. The point is this is proof,

:26:37.:26:45.

if proof were needed, that once chemotherapy is complete,

:26:46.:26:48.

your hair does grow back, and when you're in some of those

:26:49.:26:50.

dark moments during chemo, you do doubt that, as irrational

:26:51.:26:56.

and absurd as that sounds. But your body does slowly renew

:26:57.:27:00.

itself once chemo is complete, and there's something really

:27:01.:27:03.

optimistic about that. You can watch all of Victoria's

:27:04.:27:17.

video diaries via our programme Lots of you getting in touch on help

:27:18.:27:34.

for care leavers. A tweet from LJ "Preparation for adult life needs to

:27:35.:27:37.

be part of school learning. Preventative work is a better

:27:38.:27:43.

approach." Buddy says, "Council tax should be abolished and replaced

:27:44.:27:49.

with a local form of taxation." LJ says, "It is ridiculous taking

:27:50.:27:55.

people to court and adding bailiffs is awful." Fiona says, "Many care

:27:56.:28:00.

leavers want to stay put." Thank you. Keep them coming.

:28:01.:28:05.

Money raised from the tampon tax is being used

:28:06.:28:09.

We speak to one MP who wants the grant stopped.

:28:10.:28:13.

The world's youngest conductor at the age of 11.

:28:14.:28:16.

We speak to Matthew Smith fresh from his record-breaking performance

:28:17.:28:18.

with the Nottingham Symphony Orchestra.

:28:19.:28:29.

We will talk to his proud mum as well.

:28:30.:28:32.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:28:33.:28:35.

Detectives investigating an attack on a teenage asylum seeker,

:28:36.:28:38.

which left him seriously injured, have now charged five people.

:28:39.:28:43.

In the past few minutes police investigating the attack last

:28:44.:28:45.

Friday night in Croydon, say that three others

:28:46.:28:47.

Police believe up to 20 people were involved in the attack.

:28:48.:28:53.

Donald Trump has warned that the US will solve the North Korean nuclear

:28:54.:28:57.

In an interview with the Financial Times,

:28:58.:28:59.

the President is quoted as saying, "If China is not going to solve

:29:00.:29:02.

Mr Trump confirmed he was referring to direct unilateral action.

:29:03.:29:06.

The comments come ahead of a visit to the US by the Chinese

:29:07.:29:09.

Significant restrictions on the use of bail by police in England

:29:10.:29:19.

The amount of time a suspect released from custody can remain

:29:20.:29:23.

on bail will be limited to 28 days in most cases.

:29:24.:29:26.

According to the Home Office, the move will end the injustice

:29:27.:29:29.

of people left in limbo for months or even years.

:29:30.:29:31.

But the Police Federation has warned the change will be unrealistic

:29:32.:29:34.

Spain's Foreign Minister has said that there's no need to lose

:29:35.:29:40.

He was speaking after Gibraltar's chief minister insisted yesterday

:29:41.:29:45.

that the territory won't be used as a bargaining chip

:29:46.:29:49.

in negotiations over Britain's exit from the European Union.

:29:50.:29:51.

The EU's guidelines on the Brexit talks suggest that Spain,

:29:52.:29:53.

which claims sovereignty over the Gibraltar, might be able to veto

:29:54.:29:56.

This morning the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said

:29:57.:30:01.

that there would be no change in the status of Gibraltar

:30:02.:30:04.

Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

:30:05.:30:13.

They won the Scottish Premiership title

:30:14.:30:25.

Scott Sinclair's hat-trick helped them to a 5-0 win at Hearts

:30:26.:30:29.

They now need the Scottish Cup title to seal a domestic treble

:30:30.:30:34.

in Brendan Rodgers' first season as manager.

:30:35.:30:37.

Manchester United defender Luke Shaw's future at the club

:30:38.:30:39.

is in doubt, following a stinging attack from his manager,

:30:40.:30:42.

He's claimed the ?27 million signing isn't even deserving

:30:43.:30:46.

of a place on the bench, saying Shaw lacks commitment,

:30:47.:30:48.

American Lexi Thompson was penalised four strokes that cost her the first

:30:49.:30:54.

With six holes to play, she was told she would be

:30:55.:30:58.

punished for an infringement in her previous round.

:30:59.:31:00.

It came after a television viewer emailed the LPGA saying

:31:01.:31:02.

And Roger Federer plans to take a short break from tennis

:31:03.:31:12.

after beating Rafa Nadal to win the Miami Open.

:31:13.:31:14.

He's moved up to number four in the world but says he's unlikely

:31:15.:31:17.

to play again until the French Open at the end of May.

:31:18.:31:25.

That is all the sport from me for this morning, I will be back after

:31:26.:31:28.

11. Labour MP Paula Sheriff has told

:31:29.:31:30.

this programme she plans to confront the Government over why ?250,000

:31:31.:31:33.

from the tax on women's sanitary products has been awarded to Life,

:31:34.:31:35.

an anti-abortion group in the UK. which is now re-allocated

:31:36.:31:38.

into a fund to support women. The Government announced on 24th

:31:39.:31:47.

March that 70 organisations across the country would share

:31:48.:31:50.

?12 million from this tampon-tax fund, which it said would improve

:31:51.:31:52.

the lives of disadvantaged women Earlier, I heard from both

:31:53.:31:55.

sides of the debate. We can speak now to

:31:56.:32:07.

the Labour MP Paula Sheriff. Ann Scanlon, who is

:32:08.:32:09.

education director at Life. Paula Sheriff first of all,

:32:10.:32:14.

you say you will be raising Why are you so against

:32:15.:32:18.

Life getting money? I'll be raising this as soon

:32:19.:32:22.

as I return back to the House of Commons, and I believe

:32:23.:32:25.

the minister has some serious questions to answer about this

:32:26.:32:27.

charity which offers no Essentially, it is going against

:32:28.:32:29.

the very concept of the tampon tax, which is to empower

:32:30.:32:36.

and offer equality and this charity It refers to abortion

:32:37.:32:39.

as the death penalty, I understand their website has been

:32:40.:32:44.

taken down this morning, which does have

:32:45.:32:51.

that comment on there. And equally the tampon tax fund

:32:52.:32:54.

was about empowering women. It is quite ironic that this

:32:55.:32:57.

is a tax that women pay for their own biology

:32:58.:33:03.

which has then been awarded, and, in fact, it is one

:33:04.:33:07.

of the biggest awards to a charity that takes

:33:08.:33:10.

choice away from women. Ann Scanlon, ?250,000,

:33:11.:33:13.

it is one of the biggest awards. It will be spent directly

:33:14.:33:16.

on helping women, and I mean some of the most

:33:17.:33:20.

vulnerable women in our society. This is going to be used

:33:21.:33:28.

in our west London area where we deal with asylum seekers,

:33:29.:33:31.

women who are fleeing domestic violence, women who have been

:33:32.:33:33.

trafficked into this country I am really surprised

:33:34.:33:36.

by this outcry. Surely, if we really do

:33:37.:33:38.

truly believe in choice, surely women must have

:33:39.:33:44.

more than one choice. We give ?10 million every year

:33:45.:33:46.

to the abortion industry, and we are saying that ?250,000

:33:47.:33:51.

spread over three years is too much to help women who perhaps wants

:33:52.:33:54.

to carry on with their pregnancies. Yes, we are a pro-life organisation.

:33:55.:33:58.

We are very transparent about that. Our application for the money

:33:59.:34:00.

made that absolutely clear. But it doesn't in any way

:34:01.:34:04.

influence the fact that what we want to do

:34:05.:34:06.

is open choices for women. The women who come to us

:34:07.:34:09.

all say they feel they have got to have an abortion

:34:10.:34:14.

because they feel they have no choice, and we don't want

:34:15.:34:17.

any woman to be in that position. So when you say they come

:34:18.:34:20.

to you wanting an abortion... No, they come to us looking

:34:21.:34:22.

for help, But when they go to

:34:23.:34:24.

abortion providers, there is actually

:34:25.:34:28.

only one thing on offer. When they come to us, of course,

:34:29.:34:29.

any woman who comes to us is free to go and have an abortion,

:34:30.:34:33.

but should she want to keep her baby, we can offer

:34:34.:34:35.

practical help and support. We are one of the largest providers

:34:36.:34:38.

of supported accommodation for pregnant women and new mums

:34:39.:34:42.

with their babies. And this money will be specifically

:34:43.:34:44.

spent on that and not campaigning? Absolutely.

:34:45.:34:47.

How can you guarantee that? I myself am involved in the

:34:48.:34:48.

advocacy side of the organisation. 90% of what we do is direct

:34:49.:34:54.

hands-on help for women. Even our campaign.

:34:55.:35:03.

We do education work in schools. We have reached the stage

:35:04.:35:05.

where the entire pro-life voice Surely people need to know both

:35:06.:35:07.

sides of the debate. That is not what we

:35:08.:35:11.

are dealing with here. We are dealing with hands-on help

:35:12.:35:13.

for women, vulnerable women. I think if you were

:35:14.:35:17.

truly pro-choice, Paula Sheriff, do you accept this

:35:18.:35:19.

is about helping vulnerable, It is about hands-on help

:35:20.:35:25.

and not about campaigning? I spoke to one of Ann's colleagues

:35:26.:35:29.

on BBC Radio last night, We put the question to her that

:35:30.:35:32.

should one of those women who came to their organisation then decide

:35:33.:35:38.

to go on and have an abortion, her colleague wasn't actually able

:35:39.:35:43.

to tell me what would happen She basically said the housing

:35:44.:35:45.

and support wouldn't be available It is not true to say that

:35:46.:35:55.

other organisations, including the British Pregnancy

:35:56.:35:58.

Advisory Service and other such charities do not offer

:35:59.:36:00.

a range of services. That absolutely isn't true.

:36:01.:36:02.

I've met them myself. They do of course offer abortion

:36:03.:36:06.

counselling, but they also offer the other options available,

:36:07.:36:09.

and that is why I am pro-choice. It is about offering

:36:10.:36:11.

women the choice It is 2017,

:36:12.:36:13.

and a website that refers which may be in very traumatic cases

:36:14.:36:18.

including rape, including sexual assault,

:36:19.:36:22.

is referred to as the death penalty. If someone faces losing a home

:36:23.:36:28.

that you are offering them, if they then

:36:29.:36:30.

decide they want an abortion, that is not giving

:36:31.:36:32.

them a free choice. We support women.

:36:33.:36:34.

Every woman that comes to us. No, we are not abortion providers,

:36:35.:36:36.

and we talk about BPAS. BPAS don't hold a woman's

:36:37.:36:39.

hand for nine months should she want to carry

:36:40.:36:41.

on with the pregnancy. and decided they did

:36:42.:36:43.

ultimately want an abortion? that is probably the majority

:36:44.:36:47.

of the women that we see. Lots of women who come to us

:36:48.:36:51.

will end up having abortions, and the last thing we say to them

:36:52.:36:54.

when they leave is, "Please, whatever decision you make,

:36:55.:36:57.

please know that you are welcome to come back and speak

:36:58.:36:59.

to us at any time." Many of those women do come back

:37:00.:37:02.

to us, and it's actually the stories we hear in the counselling room

:37:03.:37:05.

about women who felt railroaded down the abortion

:37:06.:37:08.

route who are often very, Actually, that is what firmly

:37:09.:37:10.

made up my mind that abortion is not

:37:11.:37:13.

in a woman's best interest. as to what would happen

:37:14.:37:15.

if somebody wanted an abortion. She says the majority do end up

:37:16.:37:19.

going off and having an abortion. But it is absolutely clear

:37:20.:37:24.

from what she is saying that those women would therefore not be offered

:37:25.:37:27.

the housing, support and any other If they are going off and having

:37:28.:37:30.

a termination, they don't obviously

:37:31.:37:33.

need that support. They may still need support,

:37:34.:37:34.

absolutely. In fact as much

:37:35.:37:36.

as any of the other women. Sorry, this is specifically

:37:37.:37:40.

about giving support to vulnerable pregnant women who don't have

:37:41.:37:44.

someone else to live. If they decide they are having

:37:45.:37:46.

a termination, they don't specifically need

:37:47.:37:48.

that support from this charity. But it isn't true suggest that only

:37:49.:37:51.

the charity can offer that support. but doesn't the same apply

:37:52.:37:55.

to a lot of charities? This money is being spread

:37:56.:38:00.

among 70 different charities. I am not here to talk

:38:01.:38:07.

about whether abortion It is every woman's decision

:38:08.:38:11.

to make that choice But my issue is with the Government

:38:12.:38:16.

giving money to an organisation which is pro-life, which takes

:38:17.:38:22.

the choice away from women. It is clear that Life charity do not

:38:23.:38:30.

offer women who approach them There are many more causes

:38:31.:38:33.

which would have been better, which would have

:38:34.:38:40.

received this money. I held a debate last week

:38:41.:38:42.

in the Houses of Parliament WE're hearing about schoolgirls

:38:43.:38:44.

playing truant from school because they don't have

:38:45.:38:49.

sanitary protection They didn't receive any money

:38:50.:38:51.

as a result of the tampon tax fund. Surely something like that

:38:52.:38:55.

would have been a much better I want to get Ann Scanlon's

:38:56.:38:58.

reaction to that. Absolutely. They would absolutely

:38:59.:39:01.

have been deserving. Is Paula suggesting

:39:02.:39:03.

that they applied and didn't get it? Really, we cannot

:39:04.:39:06.

have a situation... and we were very clear about

:39:07.:39:09.

how that money would be used. Period poverty,

:39:10.:39:15.

absolutely it is a worthy cause. And really somebody should have

:39:16.:39:20.

helped those people There was ?12 million being given

:39:21.:39:22.

to help vulnerable women, and I believe that we do

:39:23.:39:27.

that every day. It is up to the Government

:39:28.:39:37.

to explain exactly what the criteria was for awarding money

:39:38.:39:40.

from the tampon tax fund. I know from the feedback I received

:39:41.:39:42.

just in the last 24 hours, and I have received hundreds

:39:43.:39:45.

of emails, only literally four or five emails out of those hundreds

:39:46.:39:48.

actually supported the campaign that Life were running, and the vast

:39:49.:39:50.

majority of women, and let's not forget it is the women contributing

:39:51.:39:53.

to the tampon tax fund from sanitary products they provide,

:39:54.:39:56.

were firmly opposed to this measure. So you are saying that

:39:57.:39:59.

you want clarity Absolutely, and I will be asking

:40:00.:40:01.

the Government to rescind the money

:40:02.:40:04.

that they are giving to Life. Is there a mechanism to do that?

:40:05.:40:07.

I don't know. Obviously, when I return

:40:08.:40:10.

to Parliament, I will be making

:40:11.:40:12.

those inquiries urgently. How do you react to that

:40:13.:40:13.

if the money were taken back? I can't imagine why it would be,

:40:14.:40:17.

because we were absolutely transparent about how the money

:40:18.:40:21.

would be used and when they analysed the help and support

:40:22.:40:24.

they were going to give to women, I think it would be outrageous

:40:25.:40:27.

if it was removed. I really cannot believe in a country

:40:28.:40:30.

that spends ?10 million on abortion, we are suggesting that a quarter

:40:31.:40:34.

of a million pounds is too much to help women who might

:40:35.:40:37.

want to keep their children. Final thought, Paula Sheriff,

:40:38.:40:40.

on the overall policy? You initially wanted

:40:41.:40:43.

an end to the tampon tax. Overall, if it is doing good,

:40:44.:40:46.

are you happy to see it continue? Obviously, our objective

:40:47.:40:50.

is to have the tampon tax cancelled so sanitary products are not

:40:51.:40:53.

considered as luxury items. While there is still a tax

:40:54.:40:55.

on sanitary protection, it is absolutely right

:40:56.:40:57.

that the money should not go into the Treasury, and it should be

:40:58.:41:01.

used for good causes, but like I say we need to understand

:41:02.:41:05.

what the Government's criteria is for awarding that money,

:41:06.:41:08.

because I do not believe that giving money to a charity that does not

:41:09.:41:11.

provide choice is the right idea. Paula Sheriff, Ann Scanlon,

:41:12.:41:17.

thank you very much. A Department for Culture,

:41:18.:41:24.

Media and Sport spokesperson told us are benefiting from this

:41:25.:41:27.

year's tampon tax fund. They said, "Life has been awarded

:41:28.:41:31.

?250,000 to fund a specific project in West London that will help

:41:32.:41:36.

homeless and other at-risk women who are pregnant

:41:37.:41:38.

by providing housing, counselling and

:41:39.:41:42.

life-skills training." For years, it has been rumoured that

:41:43.:41:56.

somebody has been going out late at night correcting bad punctuation on

:41:57.:42:00.

Bristol shop fronts. The self-proclaimed grammar vigilantes

:42:01.:42:03.

goes out in the dead of night, correcting street signs and shop

:42:04.:42:06.

fronts where apostrophes are in the wrong place. Jon Kay met him.

:42:07.:42:20.

This is just wrong, it's not meant to be like this.

:42:21.:42:49.

I do think it's a cause worth pursuing.

:42:50.:43:03.

I have felt extremely nervous, my heart has been thumping.

:43:04.:43:30.

Gibraltar is insisting it won't be used as a bargaining chip

:43:31.:43:33.

in negotiations about Britain's exit from the European Union.

:43:34.:43:35.

The EU's guidelines on the Brexit talks suggest that Spain,

:43:36.:43:38.

which claims sovereignty over the territory,

:43:39.:43:39.

could be able to veto future decisions that affect it.

:43:40.:43:45.

The UK Government is rejecting that

:43:46.:43:46.

and says it's committed to the territory.

:43:47.:43:49.

Meanwhile, the Spanish Foreign Minister

:43:50.:43:55.

has urged people not to lose tempers over the issue.

:43:56.:43:57.

Speaking to reporters in Luxembourg in the last hour,

:43:58.:43:59.

the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson,

:44:00.:44:01.

has reiterated that the sovereignty of Gibraltar is non-negotiable.

:44:02.:44:03.

Well, I think the position of the Government is very clear,

:44:04.:44:07.

which is that the sovereignty of Gibraltar is unchanged,

:44:08.:44:09.

and it is not going to change, and cannot conceivably change

:44:10.:44:12.

without the express support and consent of the people of Gibraltar,

:44:13.:44:17.

and the United Kingdom, and that is not going to change.

:44:18.:44:20.

Marlene Hassan Nahon is an independent member

:44:21.:44:26.

She joins me via webcam from Gibraltar.

:44:27.:44:35.

How do you are act to all of this? Good morning! Well, we always knew

:44:36.:44:43.

that Brexit was going to be a nightmare for Gibraltar, that is why

:44:44.:44:48.

we were the one centre that voted overwhelmingly to remain. What we

:44:49.:44:53.

didn't expect was this clause 22, whether EU council has accepted the

:44:54.:44:59.

argument by Spain that Gibraltar should be singled out for separate

:45:00.:45:04.

treatment. Now, we know that Spain has a BDO, but then Suso the other

:45:05.:45:12.

26 member states. -- has a veto, but then so do the other 26 member

:45:13.:45:16.

states. But what is worrying is that Spain has shown its cards in terms

:45:17.:45:20.

of wanting to have a say over any future deals, which is something

:45:21.:45:25.

that the UK needs to factor in in terms of their exit package.

:45:26.:45:32.

You said you always knew that Brexit would be a nightmare for Gibraltar.

:45:33.:45:41.

96% of people in gi bratter voted Remain, but a higher percentage of

:45:42.:45:46.

people in Gibraltar want to remain part of the UK. So, under the

:45:47.:45:54.

auspices of the UK. So how do you square those two things with Brexit?

:45:55.:46:00.

Well, it is very difficult. And we had the EU under Secretary of State

:46:01.:46:05.

coming over to speak to us and we made it clear that this could happen

:46:06.:46:10.

and this could be a real crit and Spain could start being the

:46:11.:46:14.

belligerent neighbour to the north that she has been historically and

:46:15.:46:17.

this is why we have been lobbying and trying to explain to the United

:46:18.:46:22.

Kingdom that it has to be very clear that the deal has to include the

:46:23.:46:28.

best interests of Gibraltar. We have a land frontier with Spain which is

:46:29.:46:32.

an access to Europe and we need to know what the frontier is free

:46:33.:46:39.

flowing and that moving forward the directives and any deal going

:46:40.:46:44.

forward will be favourable to Gibraltar in terms of European

:46:45.:46:51.

working with Europe and collaborating and an ex-clues of

:46:52.:46:54.

deals relating to trade and aviation is something that we need Britain to

:46:55.:47:00.

fight our corner for. So this is the question now, will Britain be

:47:01.:47:06.

willing to come roe mice on deals? Will they be ready derailed in the

:47:07.:47:12.

process for the rest of the UK in favour of Gibraltar? This is what we

:47:13.:47:19.

need to be fighting now and I understand Lord Howard's comments

:47:20.:47:21.

over the weekend. I know that talking about war is a ril bit

:47:22.:47:29.

upping the stakes, but I'm grateful that as a British ex-leader and

:47:30.:47:36.

friend of Gibraltar he has made it very clear that the Britons would go

:47:37.:47:40.

to war for us. It doesn't mean that we are going to have a war, but to

:47:41.:47:43.

feel that love from the United Kingdom is a very good sign for gi

:47:44.:47:48.

bratter because we can see they are committed to our cause and to the

:47:49.:47:50.

difficulties that we face at this present time.

:47:51.:47:56.

Let's listen to the Spanish Foreign Minister who has been speaking in

:47:57.:48:00.

the past few minutes. TRANSLATION: It is not the Spanish

:48:01.:48:04.

Government's job to respond to each and every comment by any British

:48:05.:48:10.

politician past or present. In any case, the Spanish Government

:48:11.:48:16.

is a little surprised by the tone of comments regarding Gibraltar coming

:48:17.:48:20.

out of Britain which is a country known for its composure.

:48:21.:48:27.

Calm down everyone is effectively the message from Spain. How do you

:48:28.:48:31.

react to that? Yeah, it is very easy for them to say calm down, but they

:48:32.:48:38.

made it very, they made very sure to have manipulated the EU council to

:48:39.:48:47.

write a separate clause just which involves Spain and the United

:48:48.:48:50.

Kingdom. So, of course, they can be calm. They can be calm because they

:48:51.:48:55.

don't have the worries that the Gibraltarians have and they still

:48:56.:48:59.

remain in the European Union. So, effectively, one could say that they

:49:00.:49:02.

have the upper hand. We're leaving and they are staying and as a member

:49:03.:49:07.

state, they will do their best clearly, we have seen already, early

:49:08.:49:11.

on, to let us know that they want to have the upper hand. So, of course,

:49:12.:49:15.

it is easy for them to be cool, but it is not so easy for us to be cool

:49:16.:49:20.

when we're trying to negotiate our future. The way that the

:49:21.:49:26.

Gibraltarians are looking are opposites, one to the UK, the other

:49:27.:49:31.

to the EU. If there are no special terms for Gibraltar, which way do

:49:32.:49:36.

you jump because of all of the economic concerns around freedom of

:49:37.:49:40.

movement and the other economic issues arising from Brexit? Well, I

:49:41.:49:46.

know that Theresa May, the British Government have been saying no, no

:49:47.:49:54.

deal is better than a bad deal. We like to count ourselves in that. A

:49:55.:49:59.

bad deal with Spain would be very bad for Gibraltarment so we would

:50:00.:50:02.

hope that the UK will stick up for us and prefer to have no deal than a

:50:03.:50:08.

bad deal for Gibraltar. In that basket of negotiations. But, of

:50:09.:50:14.

course, you know, there is a lot of negotiations to continue happening.

:50:15.:50:17.

Let's just remember that this is just a draft and you know, there is

:50:18.:50:24.

no reason to worry in the sense that there are 26 other member states

:50:25.:50:30.

which I hope will be more humane towards Gibraltar, more reasonable

:50:31.:50:36.

towards Gibraltar and will want to help Gibraltar and an exiting UK to

:50:37.:50:40.

secure a good deal moving forward for the sake of a collaborative

:50:41.:50:45.

future for the Gibraltarians. So I remain optimistic and I also think

:50:46.:50:53.

that Spain, by playing this card so early on, has almost let us all know

:50:54.:50:57.

what they, you know, what they're planning or what they're after and

:50:58.:51:02.

perhaps that will give us more time to foster better negotiations and

:51:03.:51:07.

terms looking forward. Marlene Hassan Nahon Thank you very

:51:08.:51:10.

much. Thank you.

:51:11.:51:17.

Lauren has been in touch over the financial difficulties for care

:51:18.:51:20.

leavers. She says, "A degree of responsibility is needed. I was

:51:21.:51:24.

homeless at 16 and yes, you was helped with benefits whilst still in

:51:25.:51:27.

high school, but you are forced to cope in that situation. At 18 I was

:51:28.:51:31.

given a council flat and I researched ways of dealing with

:51:32.:51:34.

bills. There are more than just care leavers needing help. I was forced

:51:35.:51:38.

to pay council tax within my rent to the hostel. Driving my monthly rent

:51:39.:51:43.

up to ?706 for a room, bathroom and shared kitchen, that's hard and I

:51:44.:51:46.

was still in full-time accommodation. I learned the hard

:51:47.:51:50.

way, scrimp and save and don't splurge on anything. I have never

:51:51.:51:55.

been on holiday. This move should be means-tested and more education

:51:56.:51:58.

needs to be put in place within our schools. It should not be the

:51:59.:52:03.

State's fault if one cannot learn how to handle one's finances."

:52:04.:52:08.

Thank you very much, Lauren and keep all of your comments coming in on

:52:09.:52:09.

that and everything else. Now, he's an 11-year-old

:52:10.:52:13.

boy from Nottingham, but last night he became a world

:52:14.:52:15.

record holder when he became the youngest person

:52:16.:52:18.

to conduct an orchestra. Matthew Smith led the 75 piece

:52:19.:52:19.

Nottingham Symphony orchestra through the overture

:52:20.:52:22.

to Johann Strauss's operetta Die Fledermaus,

:52:23.:52:26.

entirely from memory. In a moment we'll speak to Matthew

:52:27.:52:27.

but first let's take MUSIC: Die Fledermaus

:52:28.:52:30.

composed by Johann Strauss. I'm pleased to say that Matthew

:52:31.:53:15.

joins us now with his mum We're also joined by his music

:53:16.:53:20.

teacher Derek Williams. Thank you for joining us. Matthew,

:53:21.:53:25.

what was it like doing that? Very exciting. And you knew it all from

:53:26.:53:30.

memory. How long did it take you to learn it? Not that long.

:53:31.:53:37.

I already, because I already had like it in my head so it want really

:53:38.:53:44.

that hard to remember it. You're a remarkable 11-year-old boy. When did

:53:45.:53:47.

you decide that's what you wanted to do? Well, I first I never really

:53:48.:53:54.

wanted to conduct until, well, I never really knew what it was until

:53:55.:54:02.

Derek, one day he told me to learn this piece. He was playing the same

:54:03.:54:13.

piece that I played yesterday, the Die Fledermaus and he told me to

:54:14.:54:17.

learn it and he gave me a lesson, but on the lesson I knew the song

:54:18.:54:21.

since I learnt it from memory. We'll talk to Derek in a moment. I want to

:54:22.:54:27.

bring in your mum. You got him involved, didn't you, in the whole

:54:28.:54:34.

situation, to help your son. Tell us what the role was of Derek and what

:54:35.:54:44.

you did? Matthew said he was interested in playing the violin and

:54:45.:54:48.

because I work at the high school and there is music teachers there,

:54:49.:54:53.

but I just went over to the music department and I didn't know what

:54:54.:54:58.

happened, I just chose Derek to teach Matthew and there was other

:54:59.:55:03.

music teachers there, but I chose Derek and from there Derek just

:55:04.:55:08.

said, his first lesson, he said he never seen anyone like this before

:55:09.:55:20.

from many years of teaching. So we kept pushing Matthew to do more. So

:55:21.:55:25.

She told you about her boy and when you met him, what did you think?

:55:26.:55:29.

Well, I could tell how much talent he had just really the first lesson.

:55:30.:55:34.

I put all the, all his fingers on the string, which you don't normally

:55:35.:55:39.

do in the first lesson. I gave him a bow, the violin itself wasn't great,

:55:40.:55:48.

but he had this ability of finding the best notes. You don't get

:55:49.:55:53.

seven-year-olds doing that. How would you describe his talent?

:55:54.:55:57.

Outstanding. I haven't come across a talent like his more about 30 years.

:55:58.:56:02.

Music comes out of every pore of his body. And chance that he came to

:56:03.:56:06.

you. Could that talent have been overlooked? Oh yeah, easily. We

:56:07.:56:14.

don't know how many more Matthew Smiths' there are in the country.

:56:15.:56:18.

There isn't the opportunity for the children now a days. Matthew, what

:56:19.:56:25.

do you want to do in the end? I don't know because I might want to

:56:26.:56:31.

carry on keep on doing my music career or I might want to change and

:56:32.:56:34.

do something else. Leave music completely? Pardon? I won't leave it

:56:35.:56:45.

completely because I would like to keep on playing my vio listen and I

:56:46.:56:49.

might join an orchestra and I will keep on playing my guitar and my

:56:50.:56:54.

other instruments in a band. I won't leave it at all though.

:56:55.:57:00.

How do you feel when Derek says that you're an exceptional talent. He

:57:01.:57:04.

hasn't seen a seven-year-old as you were when you first went to him in

:57:05.:57:08.

his entire 30 years of teaching music? I feel like, well, I feel

:57:09.:57:17.

that he knows I have a great talent and he has pushed me to do lots of

:57:18.:57:24.

different stuff because you've done Grade 8 scales, because he keeps on

:57:25.:57:30.

pushing me to do different things at different times. How proud are you

:57:31.:57:34.

of your son? Very, very proud of him. Happy for him as well and I'm,

:57:35.:57:44.

I do owe Derek a lot for what he has done for Matthew and I'm grateful

:57:45.:57:48.

for the opportunity that he gave to Matthew. Well, really good luck in

:57:49.:57:53.

your career, Matthew. That's an extraordinary thing to be saying to

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an 11-year-old boy, you know where you're going. Good luck with

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everything and thank you very much for joining us. Thank you.

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You're welcome, thank you. We are about out of time. But we

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have had so many comments from you an Ashley's report on care. You can

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see that whole report again on our programme page if you would like to

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see it. A very powerful personal report by Ashley today about the

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difficulties for kids leaving care. BBC Newsroom live is coming up.

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Thank you for your company. I will see you soon. Victoria is back

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tomorrow. Every two minutes, someone in

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Britain is reported missing. You feel helpless. Like,

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"Where do I go? Where do I start?"

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