06/04/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's nine o'clock. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

In the next hour, a landmark court ruling on whether parents in England

can take their children on holiday in term time.

And I will be at the Supreme Court bringing you live reaction to that

judgment. We are expecting it in the next hour.

Cuts to bereavement payments - something we've been talking

about all week on the programme - come into effect today.

We'll hear from a group of parents calling on the government

And how to bounce back from massive disappointment. There is a head shot

in the last second. Olympic silver medallist

Lutalo Mohammed, who missed out on a gold by one second,

has been speaking to others We dropped from the darlings of the

computer industry down to virtually zero. And that was a very, very

tough time. We're live until 11

o'clock this morning. We're also talking about free

school meals this morning. The Labour leader says

if they win the election, they will tax private

school fees and pay for all children in state primary schools

to have free meals. Let us know what you

think of the idea. Or do you think there are better

ways to spend the money? Are you one of the parents paying

school fees who would have Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria live,

and if you text, you will be charged The Supreme Court will rule today

on whether parents can take their children on holiday

in term time, without It's considering the case

of John Platt, who refused to pay a fine after taking his daughter

to Florida for a week in 2015. The decision could mean big changes

for parents across England, as our legal affairs correspondent

Clive Coleman reports In 2015, Jon Platt took his

daughter out of school He was fined ?120 by his local

council on the Isle of Wight. He refused to pay, as his daughter

was regularly attending school. She had a more than 90% attendance

record. One in nine parents received

a truancy penalty last year. That's a staggering number of people

who received these fines last year. My assessment is that any

unauthorised absence was a criminal offence, according to

the Isle of Wight Council. Following concerns that some

families saw term time holidays at cheaper prices as a right, rules

came in in 2013, allowing local councils to fine a parent ?60

per child, doubling to ?120 if not But the fines did not

stop a rise in absences. Last year, more than 80,000 pupils

in England missed one or more sessions of school

for family holidays. That is up more than 100,000

from the previous year. Term-time holidays account

for a quarter of sessions. The Department for Education says

unauthorised absences damage life The chaos caused by a child missing

for an extended period of time, three, four, five days,

two weeks, can be huge. The impact will ripple

on for months afterwards. If coming to school did not make

a difference, we would not send The court case centres

on what amounts to regular A win for Jon Platt would give

parents more confidence to take their children on holiday

during term-time, knowing And you can see Jon Platt right now

arriving at the Supreme Court to hear the ruling. He is the dad at

the centre of this case. There he is outside having his photograph taken

by members of the press. Clive, this is a big deal for parents, teachers

and the Department of education? It is a huge deal. We know that parents

head the fact if you take your child on holiday during the school

holidays, you pay more money. There are many parents... In fact, ending

and last year there were 800,000 children who missed school because

they were taken on holiday by their parents during term time. It is a

really big issue. The Department of education argues that if you do

that, you are damaging your child's chances at GCSE level and indeed

their life chances. Parents on the other hand, like Jon Platt, argue

that if their child is regularly attending, and his daughter had

something like a 90% plus attendance record, then it is legitimate to be

able to take the child on holiday during term time. What casually

centres on is what amounts to regular attendance. And when that is

looked at in terms of whether someone has committed an offence, do

you simply look at the holiday time? Someone is taking a holiday for a

week, clearly there cannot be regularly attending during that

period. But if they have a good attendance records during the term

itself, you could argue they are regularly attending. The court will

determine what is regular attendance and what parents are allowed to do.

We will be back with you as soon as the judgment comes in. We are

expecting it before ten o'clock. As soon as it comes in, we would bring

it alive. Now the rest of the morning's news.

The White House has issued a warning to Russia over its support

of the Syrian regime, following chemical attacks

which killed at least 72 people earlier this week.

Donald Trump condemned the attacks as "an affront to humanity" -

it comes ahead of his meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping

Labour says if it wins the next election, it'll provide every

primary school pupil in England with a free school meal, by charging

Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning that a Labour government

would invest in schools to ensure no child is held back because

But the move has been criticised by the Independent Schools Council,

which claims the sums do not add up.

The Care Quality Commission is to release critical

reports into four online pharmacies in England.

Concerns were raised by the CQC about all four pharmacies.

One pharmacy was found to employ a clinician who wasn't registered

Another pharmacy has been suspended from registered practice.

Victoria will be discussing whether online pharmacies pose potential

dangers later. A mother who went missing

with her two young sons has been Samantha Baldwin was last seen

with six-year-old Dylan and nine-year-old Louis

in Nottingham on the Nottinghamshire Police said

all three have been found There's a call for the drug ketamine

to be used more widely by the NHS Psychiatrists in Oxford say they've

had some success with a human trial using the Class B substance,

which is also used They're now calling for a national

database to be established, so that doctors who prescribe it can

monitor its results, From today, companies that employ

more than 250 staff will be legally required to publish the average

salaries they pay men and women. About half of the UK workforce

will be affected by the new rules. Education Secretary Justine

Greening, who's also the Minister for Women and Equalities,

says the measures are being brought There are many great companies

in our country doing a fantastic job of bringing through

our female talent. We want to see more companies doing

that, but we think transparencies on reporting on that pay gap is part

of figuring out how that happens. Pepsi has pulled its controversial

new advert starring Kendall Jenner, after criticism that it was trying

to commercialise protest movements The company received thousands

of complaints about the tone and the content of the advert,

in which Jenner joins a demonstration and gives

a can of the soft drink Pepsi says it was trying to project

a "global message of unity, peace and understanding",

and apologised for, in its words, A headteacher at a US high

school has resigned, after the student newspaper cast

doubt on her qualifications. The investigation by six

Pittsburg High School students has The head teacher, Amy Robertson,

said she had no comment in response to the questions

about her credentials, saying "their concerns

are not based on facts". A motorcyclist in Australia

had a lucky escape in an unusual traffic

accident, when he was hit by a flying mattress.

The drama was caught on CCTV. The mattress flew off the back

of a van, straight into the path Thankfully, he managed to keep

control - and the mattress did at least give him a soft landing.

No-one was hurt in the incident. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live,

and if you text, you will be charged It looks like Chelsea are going to

win the Premier League this year? I think Chelsea are definitely a step

closer. They have one hand on the trophy, or fingertips at least.

There remain seven points clear at the top of the Premier League table

after beating Manchester City last night. After the shock defeat

against Crystal Palace, they needed a big performance and that is what

they got, particularly from Eden Hazard, who scored his 15th and 16th

goals of the season. Antonio Conte thinks they need six wins from their

last eight games. They have struggling Sunderland and

Middlesbrough still to play. It should be possible. But they have to

go to Manchester United and Everton. They could be potential hurdles. If

you look of the way they play, Chelsea are hard to break down and

know how to grind out a win. It certainly looks as though they may

be on for another Premier League title. Amazing scenes at Newcastle

last night with a referee who didn't know the rules. What was going on? I

don't think anybody knew what was going on. It was chaos. This is

Newcastle, pushing for promotion back into the Premier League. They

are at home to Burton. They knew a win would take them back to the top

of the Championship. Matt Ritchie, the Newcastle midfielder, was given

a penalty which he converted. But the referee was not happy. He feels

that one of the Newcastle players was in the box whilst the penalty

was being taken. Instead, as everyone would expect, for the

referee to command a retake, he gave Burton and indirect free kick. Cue

absolute pandemonium in the stadium. 50,000 fans incensed, not knowing

what was happening, when the referee had given the decision. Look of the

referee. Newcastle manager Rafa Benitez absolutely incensed,

questioning the referee. Very unusually, this hardly ever happens,

the referee ruling body released a statement to set the rules of the

game have been misapplied. The referee has apologised. I am sure he

was relieved to see Matt Ritchie score, Newcastle win and return to

the top of the championship macro. Crazy scenes. And it looks like the

favourite for the Masters could be out after falling down the stairs?

Yes, a freak accident for Dustin Johnson. He is the world number one.

He has won the last three tournaments he has been involved in.

This is the biggest event on the golfing calendar. He has taken a

fall down the stairs and injured his lower back. This was in the house he

is renting during the tournament in Augusta. His manager says he is

resting he is on a of anti-inflammatories with a hope of

still playing. He was the favourite to win. That is seriously in doubt

now. Back injuries are notoriously complicated for golfers, one of the

worst injuries you can suffer. In his favour, he does have one of the

later to times. He doesn't tee off onto three minutes past seven this

evening. Fingers crossed for him. Thank you. More sport later. Good

morning. Welcome to the programme. Today is the day that cuts

made by the government It's also the day a coalition

of charities is setting up a taskforce to try

to fight the changes. From today, any parent

who loses their spouse or civil partner will be able to claim

a maximum of 18 months of financial support -

that's down from 20 years. It also includes an increase

in the initial lump sum from ?2000 to ?3500,

and people without children will On Tuesday, we spoke to Alan -

not his real name - who has incurable cancer,

and has been told he He told us he's worked out

that if he died before the changes came in,

his wife and two children would have Now they will they receive,

he says, up to ?6000. At this point, it wasn't life,

you're contemplating death, and you want to go out of this world

with some dignity, with some grace, with some peace of mind,

not full of financial anxiety, feeling as if the Government has

just taken money away from you. This case was raised in the House of

Lords on Tuesday. Can I urge the Minister to talk to his ministerial

colleagues so that the government can display understanding and

humanity, and allow this brave young man to pass peacefully from this

world, with dignity, in the knowledge that the financial future

of his children is taking care of? Can I first say to my noble friend

how sorry I am to hear about this case of this young man. And to offer

my sympathies both to him and his family. I appreciate the urgency and

I understand that this person may not have long to live. I shall

certainly speak to colleagues as soon as humanly possible and come

back to him with information on the situation.

For the third day running, we asked for someone

from the Department for Work and Pensions to talk to us today,

to explain the reforms on the day they come in.

They gave us the statement they sent us

Conservative peer Lord Pollock the sphere and

Also with us, Be sphere and n Brooks-Dutton,

and widow who lost his wife a year after they married,

leaving him to raise their two-year-old alone.

Georgia Elms is a campaigner for the Widowed and Young charity,

who was pregnant with her daughter when her husband, Jonathan, died

And in Warwick, Beth and eight-year-old Sam.

Beth has asked us not use her surname.

She was left to bring up two boys when her husband, Duncan, died

of an undiagnosed heart condition while playing

welcome all of you. Thank you for coming on the programme. I will talk

to Beth and Sam. Good morning to you. Morning. Good morning. Beth,

the payments you received, how much did you need them and how much the

due continued to use them? I was very fortunate that my husband

Duncan worked for a very large engineering firm, and we have a good

pension. However when I realised that my job was no longer tenable

because I travel round the county are a lot for work as a teacher,

travelling around different schools, and when I and a five-year-old as a

single parent, I had to give up that job. When I went back to work, took

on a job that required me to take a pay drop of nine tenths of our

salary so all of a sudden our income was virtually halved. Consequently

there was very difficult to deal with, so the widowed parents

allowance allowed us to be able to do the things we used to do before

Duncan died and I think that is important that our standard of

living has remained roughly the same but mainly because of his pension.

The widowed parents allowance just gives us a little extra to make sure

we are able to go out and enjoy life as much as we can give on our new

circumstances. Let me ask you this, Beth, because some of our audience

do, do you think it is fair that other taxpayers should pay to the

allowance you have been receiving when you do have Duncan's pension. I

think it is very important to be clear that the widowed parents

allowance is based on Duncan's national insurance contributions, so

he paid in with his employer approximately ?100,000 over the time

he was working for Jaguar Land Rover, semester that would have come

back to him in his state pension, and obviously he is not going to be

able to claim that now, having not live long enough to do so. So

although it is seen as a benefit, it is actually an allowance based on

his national insurance contributions, so the way that other

people claim their state pension, it should be fair that we claim this to

help the boys do what they would be able to have done otherwise. Sam

Connor you have written a letter, who is it too? To Mr Wight. Who is

that? Our MP. Anything you are happy to read us a bit of your letter?

Yes. Go ahead, in your own time. Dear Mr Wight, I am writing to

inform you that reducing the money of the widowed will" panic and

worry. The widowed panic putt allowance, we think it is unfair

that you are taking it away after 18 months. My daddy died when I was

five and my brother Tom was three. The money my mother has received has

helped considerably. Mummy would be more stressed. WPA means that Mum

can still do my drop-offs and pick-ups at school. She can talk to

my teacher if I am feeling sad or poorly. I look forward to a huge

cuddle if I have had a bad day. I sometimes still feel flooded with

sadness nearly four years later. I was to have stated when my daddy

died and others will be too. They deserve to treated better when this

tragedy hits them. Sam, that is so moving, thank you for reading that.

I will just talk to our guests in the studio. You are doing a great

job of listening I know you can't see us will stop Lord Pollock, first

of all, the one and Sam was Mike case, Duncan died four years ago. As

other people have said this week, grief does not simply last 18 months

or it is how long the financial support be from today. Absolutely,

that is why I am absolutely convinced it should work on the

children. In other words while the children are in school or in

full-time education, the money should be there to ensure they would

be able to do, exactly as Sam said, or as Sam's mother said, so do the

things he was able to do before. Sam is not the only one who has written

a letter, you have too. I have, with some colleagues House of Lords we

delivered a letter to the Secretary of State, Damian Green, last night.

The Work and Pensions Secretary. After I raised, and you saw the

clip, and... Do you know him personally? Damian Green? I have

known Damian for 30 years. So it is not that you are both conservatives

come you actually have a connection with him? Yes, I know him and I was

prepared to write a letter to him because he was not involved actually

when this was being discussed. When you go from a theoretical bill to

now, today, the act becomes law, and now we are into the practical. I

don't think anybody had intended when writing the bill and discussing

the bill the consequences of what we have seen what you have been sharing

all week. But that is their job. When you write new laws come you

have to look at the outcomes of peoples lives. Is very difficult and

different going from theoretical to the practical. Now we have an

opportunity, that is why we have written this letter, to say this is

a serious problem. I know myself, my wife is a very close friend of the

wife of Alan and Katie, and I had a first cousin who died in her 30s,

two years after her husband died and left two young daughters to be

brought up by grandparents, so I understand it. Without attacking

government, but we can say the government there is a solution, and

Damian Green does not have a callous or cruel bone in his body. And I

think that given all of the campaigns from people, I think there

may be a solution to be found. Which is? Which is to work on the

children, and hopefully he will see that children are the most

important, and whilst they are in education, full-time education, this

can be looked at. And he has the ability with his other ministers,

who I now also very well, to discuss this now. It is not finished. Even

though it is law, we can give solutions. So you can extend the 18

months. That is what I would like to do, and we do have 18 months, it is

not something that has to be done today, because anybody who is

receiving this money will continue for the next 18 months. Ben, what

you think about the changes? It has been very difficult to deal with

over the past couple of weeks. I was in the film that Rio Ferdinand made,

and I think what people saw, white awareness is up so much is that they

got a glimpse of what it is like for a family to be bereaved. Can we just

play that clip, you are in the kitchen with loads of other dads and

it is very moving. I remember going to my wife's

funeral and everyone said, "Just be strong, you're doing

so well, you're doing so well." On reflection, I thought,

"I'm not, I'm in shock." I was diagnosed with depression

about two years in. I was struggling to be the dad

that my son needed me to be. And then I realised that, actually,

I was depressed before that, I was just depressed

in a very active way. I got a lot of stuff done,

like I was able to run a marathon, So what you as a viewer would have

seen in that film is Rio eventually being able to start to talk to his

children about their grief, but relief of the first time about the

18 month mark, where today the support would stop. Now obviously he

is a wealthy man, but before that are struggling, it is not a linear

process, it is not like it ends. I think what has been happening

recently is it has been very hard for other charities to get people to

really care, because they have not been able to really engage. People

have not been able to engage at that level and this programme has given

them the opportunity to do that, and all the programming you have done

this week. What we are asking for as part of this task force is for

people to maintain that, social, we have created a series of videos that

people can share so that people can really get an insight into what it

is like. I won't speak for Georgia, she has her own very powerful story

about this that we keep hearing time and time again about how actually

children's grief ebbs and flows. And also as parents of grieved children,

we are kind of grieving for more than one person. I find now that I

am in quite a good place but my son has only just Turn. He was two and

his mum was killed, he has only just got back to grips with what death

is. I am struck, and one in the morning I have a very happy child

that can't go to school, and then at the school gates I have a very

melancholy child who feels he is the only person there who has not got a

month. It is very hard to deal with. I have completely changed my life,

cut my working hours, think most people need those choices that is

that is what is stopping today, that choice that to continue. But I am

hopeful we can make a change through this task force, because like you

say, we have 18 months to make this change happen. They doesn't need to

be the end and we don't want to. Georgia, hello, you had a good job

with Mars, which I think you had to give up. So how would you have coped

without the widowed parents allowance? I would have had to go

back to work full-time. What impact would that have had? I would not

have been around for my children. As I say, my husband died on the

Wednesday, and then on the Thursday I found out I was pregnant with my

second daughter. So with the 18 months, she would still have been a

baby when I would have been having to replace my husband's income. And

that is just not fair on my children. Also as Ben said about

grief coming, both my children Daisy and Scarlet did not understand death

until they were six or seven. I had to be available to take them to

bereavement counselling, to pick them up from school, because they

were scared I was not going to pick them up, because daddy had died,

that might happen to me. You can't be a mum or a parent if you are not

there for your children, and I could not have done that with my job. You

know what the government says about this. First of all there are changes

which, for example, widows, widowers who don't have children will benefit

for the first time, they have increased the initial lump sum,

tax-free etc. They also say it is updating a really old-fashioned

system when women did not work, they would rely solely on their husband's

income, and those days are gone because so many women work. What

would you say to that? ?500 a month is not the second income. We're not

saying it is replacing being come, it is just enabling you to go

part-time to be able to be there for the -- not replacing the income. If

they wanted to update it, then why are they not including parents who

are not married? Last year, 50% of children were born to people who

were not married. Those children are not being supported this way. This

is why I say that we should concentrate on the children. That

would cover that situation. I don't believe that anybody intended this,

and I think that now we are in the practical situation of the law being

as it is, I think that without intemperance language that

government and Damian Green and his department will look at these

things. As I say, all parties and groups in the Lords, the front bench

from Labour, from the Liberal Democrats and the bishops, have all

come in to support. There is another question this morning at 11 o'clock

in the House of Lords being put down. With the right pressure,

concentrating on this issue, because there are lots of issues today, but

if we concentrate on this issue, I think that we have a chance of

having somebody like Damien, who is empathetic, sympathetic and I think

we'll look at it carefully. OK, thank you very much. We will see and

we will continue to report on this. Thank you, Lord Pollock, Ben,

Georgia, ten one and Sam Connor you are a star, thank you for coming on

our programme. Still to come - how do

you recover from failure? Lutalo Mohammed - who missed on gold

by one second in the Rio Oympics - And the increasing criticism

of online pharmacies. How lax standards could be

compromising patient safety. The Supreme Court will rule today

on whether parents can take their children

on holiday in term time, It's considering the case

of Jon Platt, who was given a fine of ?120 when he took his daughter

away for a week on an unauthorised term-time holiday to Floriday

in 2015. The White House has issued a warning

to Russia over its support of the Syrian regime,

following chemical attacks which killed at least 72

people earlier this week. Donald Trump condemned the attacks

as "an affront to humanity" - it comes ahead of his meeting

with Chinese president Xi Jinping European Council president Donald

Tusk will meet Theresa May in Downing Street later today. He is

expected to be discussing the way ahead on Brexit, one week after he

set out draft guidelines for negotiations.

Labour says if it wins the next election, it'll provide every

primary school pupil in England with a free school meal, by charging

Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning that a Labour government

would invest in schools to ensure no child is held back because

But the move has been criticised by the Independent Schools Council,

which claims the sums do not add up.

The Care Quality Commission is to release critical

reports into four online pharmacies in England.

Concerns were raised by the CQC about all four pharmacies.

One pharmacy was found to employ a clinician who wasn't registered

Another pharmacy has been suspended from registered practice.

A mother who went missing with her two young sons has been

Samantha Baldwin was last seen with six-year-old Dylan

and nine-year-old Louis in Nottingham on the

Nottinghamshire Police said all three have been found

That is a summary of the latest news. More at ten o'clock. Thanking

you. A couple of comments on the last discussion. Emma Tweets that it

is a disgrace taking money from a bereaved family. Losing a farm --

parent is bad enough. Kirsty says, I hope your item will include a

discussion on the fact and unmarried person receives no such benefit. My

partner died in 2011 and I have not received a penny from the state,

despite the fact we were considered a couple by the state when it suited

them for tax credits. And my partner paid National Insurance on to. It is

a disgrace. John has less sympathy. What differences there between a

single-parent family and a bereaved family? Benefits can't be based on

emotions but fairness. Now the sport.

Good morning. A busy night in the Premier League.

Chelsea manager Antonio Conte says his side need 6 wins

from their last 8 games to win the Premier League.

Chelsea remain seven points clear at the top of the table, after a 2-1

win against Manchester City - Edin Hazard with both goals.

Nearest rivals Spurs secured a late win against Swansea.

At the bottom of the table, a huge win for Hull,

who've now climbed out of the relegation zone

They came from behind to beat relegation rivals

The body which represents referees have apologised after Keith Stroud's

error last night where he failed to instruct Newcastle to retake

a penalty against Burton after players from both sides

Stroud wrongly awarded Burton a free-kick instead.

Dustin Johnson will decide later today if he's fit enough

The world number one fell down the stairs of his rented home

That is all these board for now. -- the sport.

We'll be live at the Supreme Court shortly as they rule

on whether parents can take their children on holiday

This is just going to affect parents in England. It is a big deal. We

will bring you that ruling when it comes in.

Every single day, month after month, year after year,

You are one second away from winning the gold medal.

It happened to Tae Kwon Do athlete Lutaylo Muhammad last summer in Rio.

Beaten in the very last second of his fight with his opponent

from the Ivory Coast, he was inconsolable

He broke down on TV and apologised to the nation.

So how do you cope with failure, bounce back from defeat?

Lutalo wanted to make a film exclusively with us as he comes

to terms with life after Rio and speak to other people who've had

to pick themselves up after being knocked back in life.

I've been to two Olympic Games and I've won two medals

for Team GB in taekwondo, A bronze and a silver,

Something I've been working my entire life for.

I came within a second of completing my dream...

Lutalo Muhammad closes down, blocks and there is a head

I'm so sorry for the people who stayed up late to

How does anyone come back from devastating failure?

I felt like a failure because the one job that you're

meant to do is keep your child safe and protect them for

I felt like a success and within literally six months,

I had gone from that to putting the company into liquidation.

I had a failure, but, you know, you have to move on.

It has been more than six months since the games in Rio.

I am back in training at GB taekwondo's base in Manchester,

but looking back at the Olympic final still hurts.

My friend and team-mate, Mahama Cho, was with me in the hours

I remember the dying seconds because I thought

there is no possible way you're going to lose this fight.

He has got the gold that he has been looking for.

And when it was taken away, really and truly, I could not sleep

until I could actually see you to speak to you.

I was literally waiting for you to get home and when you got

home, I just knocked on the door to see how you was and it was sad.

It felt like a stab in the heart, a little bit, because, obviously,

the training you went through, the trials and tribulations to get

there, the one phrase you used a lot was...

Your dad told you you were actually a prime age

For it to be taken away in the dying second was heartbreaking.

After the Olympics, I didn't notify wanted to carry on in the sport,

so I came to the sports psychologist Dr Amanda Owens.

It is hard to put into words how disappointed I am,

I am proud I contributed to team GB's record-breaking tally but it

should have been a gold medal. Watching that now, does

all the raw emotion come back? Can't watch that without feeling

those same emotions. It's tough to watch because it

takes me back there, that feeling of devastation,

that feeling of, I've come so close to accomplishing what was my life

goal and to have it snatched away, literally at the last

second, it is tough. How long did it take you to deal

with and accept that you came this What have you learned

from this experience? It taught me, I think,

a lot about myself. The next day waking up having to do

the media, the interviews. It was therapeutic in a way

because I was getting to talk But admittedly, the good times

really came when I got off the plane You come out of the

whole Olympic bubble. You have no idea what

is going on back home. To receive the reception I received

from the British public I want them to cry

tears of joy next time. Someone whose failures

than successes have been lived out in the public eye for decades

is businessman Lord Sugar. Who better to come to for

advice on moving on? There was a time in the computer

industry where we were king of the computer market in Europe

and we made a bad range of products that had technical faults on them

and we struggle to the understand In that period of time,

we dropped from the darlings of the computer industry down

to virtually zero. That was a very, very tough time,

very, very tough time. From making profits of ?160 million

a year to losses of 70 million. My personal experience, I lost

at the Olympics in the last second. One of the hardest things

to deal with was knowing In your experience, how

do you deal with that? Failure or something that went

wrong, it is not a good thing. It was not a nice time,

but you just have to deal with it. You can't deal with it by arguing

against it or making excuses I had a failure and people talked

about my failure and all that stuff. But, you know, you have to move

on until you get your next product in the marketplace,

like our satellite dishes, and then suddenly, everything

else was forgotten. Do you think it helps

you in any way? It helped in the sense that

you take no notice of it and it is like the old thing,

it is like yesterday's Our cousins in America have got

a new president who does not seem to have learnt that lesson

which I am absolutely He seems to react to every bit

of criticism that is thrown at him whereas he should not,

really, he should just let it So, all I have to do

is win that gold medal But for some people,

feeling like a failure can have more damaging consequences

than Olympic silver medal. This is the furniture

that I used to import. Naomi Gilmore ran a garden furniture

company worth almost ?1 million. Until suddenly, things

started going wrong. I think my lowest point

came about six months I remember going to see my bank

manager, turned over nearly ?1 million in business,

I really thought I had made it. I had a team of staff,

premises everything seemed to be I remember sitting there,

just couldn't believe that I had made it all and I had

created this growth. Within a six-month period,

to go from that to literally bailiffs knocking on my door one

night to come and take my car away. My kids were just about to go to bed

and they were just screaming and devastated and I sat

on the kitchen floor and to be honest just felt like my soul

had been ripped out. It was just kind of like,

I can't get my kids to school, I've let them down, and I just felt

like a huge failure. Did you feel like a failure

because you felt like you had let Then I think I went into people

judging the mode and felt quite scared wanted to hide away and just

pretend it was not all happening. Paloma Thompson has two

healthy happy boys. But Winter was born premature

and has some learning difficulties. For a long time, Paloma felt

like this was her fault. I felt like a failure

because I think when you are pregnant one job that you meant

to do is keep your child safe and protect them for the full nine

months so that they are born on time and there wasn't any medical reason

or issue with him or myself Just my body let him down

and I failed to do my When you see that tiny body,

no bigger than your hand, He had a cannula in his leg

for antibiotics, he had a cannula drip in his umbilical

cord for caffeine. All wires to monitor blood pressure,

pulse, oxygen levels, and then the UV lamp

for the jaundice. He is inside the incubator

and you cannot touch him, you cannot cuddle him,

say everything is going to be OK. It is just a really awful feeling

that I've let my child down and now he has had to start life

in a really difficult place. Definitely for the first year

of his life and I found it really difficult to talk to people about it

as well because there was always this sense of you just need to try

and be happy and concentrate It is not really about him being OK

and happy, it is more about I feel So how did Naomi and Paloma overcome

feeling like failures? Naomi now runs an online

marketing company. In those days, I think

it was all about turnover and money and premises

and growing the business. I think now very much

I have a successful business but I have a lot of balance

in my life. I am a single mum, I have two girls,

I adore my girls and I am able to work and have success at work

but I am also a success I really feel that I do have

that balance in my life. I absolutely don't feel

like a failure now. I certainly did feel

like a failure at the time but now Around that time, I felt judged

and now I don't feel judged. It is really about me

focusing on my own stuff, the stuff I love, in terms of me

achieving my own success, Paloma was diagnosed with a form

of postnatal depression and has She has also joined a group of mums

with similar feelings. What is your relationship

like with your children now? It is strange now when I look

at Winter and to think that at one point I just felt like I had no

connection with him because I didn't feel like I was worthy

of being his mum because I felt I have been lucky to reach

the top of my sport, but the higher you get,

the further the fall. It took me a while to appreciate

silver but now I can look back Bring on the 2020 Games in Tokyo,

where my next medal will be gold. And Lutalo will be here with me

in the studio just after 10.30. Really, really interested to you to

give me your own stories of how you bounced back from a disappointment

or a failure, whatever it may be, and we will feed that into the

conversation with Lutalo Muhammad after ten past ten. Inside the

Supreme Court right now, we have judges who are delivering their

ruling in the case of dared John Platt, who is arguing it is not

illegal if he takes his daughter out of school in term time. This is a

really significant case, it will affect parents in England, they are

going for the judgment now which means any second now we will find

out if dad John Platt has won or lost. As soon as we know for sure,

because they build up to it, these judges, they know how to create a

sense of drama. It means we may interrupt our next, session, which

is about online pharmacies. A number of online pharmacies

in England have been criticised for lax standards that

could compromise patient safety. The official health watchdog,

the Care Quality Commission, has called for improvements at four

providers, after finding a number of shortcomings, including

prescriptions approved without enough checks

into patient history, a lack of communication

with the patient's GP, and large volumes of asthma

inhalers dispensed at once. Faye Kirkland is a working GP

and one of our health reporters. So, how do the online 's sites offer

it? Mostly patients go in and fill in a simple online form, you ask

basic questions like your date of birth, how much you weigh, you'll

blood pressure, and that gets reviewed by a doctor. And then they

decide whether to prescribe, based on that information. There are also

sites that offer Skype and mobile apps as well. How are they

regulated? By the Care Quality Commission in England, and last

month they produced clear outlines of what they should expect when they

are inspected by them. But in the different parts of the UK there are

different regulators. So they are inspected in a slightly different

way. Any concerns about that? The Royal pharmaceutical Society is

rarely concerned about that, because England is the only place where

there are clear standards for online providers. Theoretically providers

could move their headquarters to the other parts of the UK and not be

inspected so robustly. What should be but watch out for if they are

buying online? It is difficult. The CQC sale or where the site is

registered, do they have a CQC logo? They say if you're going to buy

online, do it with caution, make sure you know the risks and benefits

of anything that you buy. Thank you very much.

Let's talk now to Professor Steve Field, the Chief Inspector

of General Practice at the Care Quality Commission.

Helen Webbereley is a GP who works for two of the sites

Stuart Gale is the Managing Director of Frosts Pharmacy Ltd,

which operates the Oxford Online Pharmacy, another company

Welcome all of you. We may interrupt for some breaking news from the

Supreme Court, so I apologise in advance in case we do. Professor

Field, thank you for talking to us, it is the first time the CQC, your

organisation, has inspected these websites. Why do it now, what has

pumped of this? I am a GPS ball is being chief inspector of general

practice, this is part of our ongoing programme in of regulating

any -- what has prompted this. Regulating any provider, whether

health or social care. We have just completed our programme of all

general practices in England, and we are looking at online providers.

What worries you most? We found that so far we have issued six reports.

At times, these providers are not prescribing appropriately. There are

not the basic checks to make sure the patient they providing for is

that patient. They are not taking a comp rancid medical history,

including what other this patients are on. I as a GP chief inspector

would expect that the standards are the same as if you went into a

general practice anywhere inning on. The point that Faye raised, if

somebody, or if you suspend a website operating out of England,

what is to stop the website popping up in Scotland, Wales, except? Faye

has been great at highlighting these issues and she is absolute right. I

am responsible, and CQC, the regulator, is responsible for sites

in England for patients in England. We are aware of sites that are

operating outside England, and patients can access prescriptions

that way as well. So we are meeting with the other regulators within the

UK, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and we are communicating

with others in Europe and elsewhere. So we are trying to pass information

on. Helen Weatherly, thank you for coming on, your roles of the online

surgery and the online Oxford pharmacy. Professor Philip is not

report says that when patients were requested prescriptions of the

online surgery it took as little as 17 seconds for prescriptions to be

approved. That can't be right, can it? We need to look at this very

clear. We reviewed all of the patient still with on the online

surgery. The 17 second one that seems to have hit the highlight is a

repeat prescription, so actually, I am an NHS discussion as well, -- NHS

GP as well, it is the same there. So no checks are needed for a repeat

perception? Online I would argue it is safer, because I have a computer

screen that shows me a full medical history, all of the medication that

person is taking and it is completely up-to-date because they

have just given me that information. Whereas in a GP surgery they are six

months old. You are saying you can do a repeat description in 17

seconds having checked the patient was like medical history? Yes. I

would never prescribe anything that was not safe, but there are

instances where you can check that a repeat medication is safe for

somebody in the 17 seconds that they are bandying about the moment. It is

not bandying about, it happens, and you say it is fine. On the case that

I examined, that retreat Di repeat prescription was fine. And actually,

Victoria, if you look of the patient that used the services, we have a

delighted cohort of patients. There has never been an instance of any

harm coming to patients. Still, you have been criticised by this CQC,

two of the site you work for. Stuart Gale, the CQC found that frost

pharmacy Ltd was prescribing large quantities of inhalers for asthma

without checking if the patient was my condition was either out of

control or if a diagnosis has been confirmed. The CQC has issued you

with warning notices about that, is that fair enough? Absolutely, yes.

Why was it happening? We were talking about probably five to ten

patients that have had more inhalers than would be normally appropriate

in an NHS setting. So we have spoken to these patients, and actually they

want convenience. 45% of them... You didn't know if some of them had

asthma. Yes, we did, because that was part of the process, we would

know that they had asthma, 78% of them had had an annual asthma review

with their own GP, but 45% of them could not get into their GP. See why

saying it is all right, so I am wondering why the CQC issued you

with warning notices if everything is fine? We are a stream they have

you with the CQC doing this because ultimately safety is another one

priorities and we have no argument with the CQC. We think the whole

process was excellent, our inspectors were very thorough. You

are glad to be issued with warning notices. Threw to be inspected and

given the chance to improve. I am going to pause there, as inspected,

we have the roaring from the Supreme Court but I am very grateful for

your time. -- the ruling. John Platt, the dad who took this case to

court, it affects parents in England. He argued, and it has gone

to the highest court in the land, he argued that parents were not

breaking the law when they took their children out of school during

term time. John Platt has lost his case, that is the breaking news in

the last minute. John Platt has lost his case in the Supreme Court, it

means local authorities can continue to find parents who take their

children out of school. Let's go live -- can continue to fined

parents. They will be breaking the law, parents who do this?

Absolutely. This is a ruling that will upset a lot of parents. It will

delight schools and local authorities, because it is

absolutely crystal clear. This case was all about what amounts to

regular attendance at a school, and in the court below, John Platt had

argued successfully that because his daughter generally had a very good

attendance record, over 90%, he argued that she was regularly

attending school. Even if he was to take her out of school for a whole

week of holiday. Lady Hale who gave the judgment of the court

effectively drove a coach and horses through that. What she said is that

there are two protect the re-interpretations of what regular

attendance means, it either means sufficiently frequently on the one

hand, which is how John Platt had argued it in the courts below and

how it had been interpreted in the courts below, or it means in

accordance with the school's attendance policy, and she came down

very firmly in favour of interpreting it in that way, that

regular attendance means in accordance with the school's

attendance policy, and most schools of course will have a 100%

attendance policy. She said that unauthorised absences have a

disruptive effect not only on the education of the individual child

but also on the work of other pupils and their teachers. If one pupil can

be taken out whenever it suits the parents, then so can others. She

said different pupils may be taken out at different times, multiplying

the disruptive effect. Any education system expects people to come and

keep to the rules. Not to do so is unfair to those obedient parents who

do keep to the rules, whatever the cost or inconvenience to themselves.

So this is a very, firm very ruling from the Supreme Court that you must

obey the attendance rules of the school that your child goes to, and

if they say you cannot take your child out for a week's holiday, two

weeks holiday, then you can't do that without risking having a fine,

and if you don't pay that Tamme one, being prosecuted. -- that fine,

being prosecuted. John Platt's case will now go back to the Magistrates'

Court and he will have two face this charge of failing to secure the

regular attendance of his daughter at school. It is a unanimous

judgment of all five justices, you must obey the schools on attendance.

We will be back with you after the news and sport to get reaction,

because you may be able to speak to John Platt, as he emerges from the

Supreme Court, because he was therefore that ruling. Your reaction

welcome. If you are a parent of children, whether you have taken

them out of school in term time for a holiday or not, what is your

reaction to this very significant ruling? Let me know. It is ten

o'clock, iambic Tory adoption. Within the past few minutes,

the Supreme Court has ruled that Jon Platt,

the father who took his daughter out of school to go on holiday,

should NOT have done so. Unauthorised absences have a

disruptive effect, not only on the education of the individual child,

but also on the work of other pupils and their teachers.

In his first British TV interview, we'll be speaking to Dallas,

the son of Kurt Cochran - who was killed in the Westminster

You can see the full interview later - as he's told us he doesn't

want to think about the terrorist who carried out the attack.

I have seen little pictures here and there but I have chosen to avoid

looking into whatever his story was. It's not going to help me any

knowing who it was or why he did it. Also - we'll be speaking

to Lutalo Mohammad - who missed out on gold by one second

at the Rio Olympics. He's been finding out about turning

failure into success. I won two Medels 13 J.B. In tae kwon

do. -- Team GB. They are not the ones I wanted.

In the last few minutes, the father who refused to pay a fine after

taking his daughter out of school for a non-authorised holiday, has

lost his case at the Supreme Court. Jon Platt was fined when he took his

daughter away for a week in Florida during term time. He refused to pay

because he said his daughter's attendance record was very good. The

Supreme Court has overturned a High Court judgment, saying it was

disruptive to children's education to take them out of school.

Unauthorised absences have a disruptive effect. Not only on the

education of the individual child, but also on the work of other pupils

and of their teachers. If one pupil can be taken out whenever it suits

the parent, then so can others. Different pupils might be taken out

at different times, multiplying the disruptive effect. Any educational

system expects people to keep the rules. Not to do so is unfair to

those obedient parents who do keep the rules, whatever the cost or

inconvenience to themselves. We will be getting more on that

ruling shortly. We are expecting to hear the reaction of Jon Platt and

more detail from Clive Coleman. The European Council President,

Donald Tusk, will meet Theresa May They are expected to discuss the

UK's exit from the European Union a week after Mr Tusk said the

guidelines for negotiations. The White House has issued a warning

to Russia over its support of the Syrian regime,

following the deaths of at least 72 people in what's believed

to be a chemical attack. President Trump condemned the deaths

as "an affront to humanity". His comments come ahead

of his meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping in Florida

today. A mother who went missing

with her two young sons has been Samantha Baldwin was last seen

with six-year-old Dylan and nine-year-old Louis

in Nottingham on the Nottinghamshire Police say

all three have been found, Labour says if it wins the next

election, it'll provide every primary school pupil in England

with a free school meal, by charging Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning

that a Labour government would invest in schools to ensure no

child is held back because But the move has been criticised

by the Independent Schools Council, which claims the sums

do not add up. Pepsi has pulled its controversial

new advert starring Kendall Jenner, after criticism that it was trying

to commercialise protest movements The company received thousands

of complaints about the tone and the content of the advert,

in which Jenner joins a demonstration and gives

a can of the soft drink Pepsi says it was trying to project

a "global message of unity, peace and understanding",

and apologised for, in its words, More at 10:30am. Good morning. Let's

go straight back to the Supreme Court, and Clive Coleman. Tell us

about the significant ruling? It is really significant because we know

that parents hate the fact that if they take their children on holiday

during the school holidays, they often have to pay for Morford doing

it because prices are higher. And so many parents like to take their

children away for a week or two weeks during the school year during

term time, to pay the reduced prices. This case has made that

very, very difficult. What this case says this morning is basically you

must obey the school rules, because it is an offence, a criminal

offence, for a parent to fail to secure the regular attendance of

their child at school. That is what this case was all about. Jon Platt

took his daughter out of school for a week. And in the courts below he

could argue that even though he had done that, she was still attending

school regularly. If you look at her attendance record over the course of

a lengthy period, she had a very good attendance record, even with

the holiday time taken out. It was more than 90%. Therefore, he had not

failed to secure a regular attendance at school. Lady Hale look

that that this morning and she effectively rubbished that the fans.

She said there were two interpretations of what regular

attendance could mean. It could either mean sufficiently frequently,

or it could mean in accordance with the school rules. She said it simply

couldn't mean sufficiently frequently because that would give

parents too much freedom to take their child out of school. If one

child was taken out at one time and another at another, it causes mayhem

within the school system. So what regular attendance must mean is that

it is in accordance with the school rules. Most schools will have a 100%

attendance policy. The effect of that is that parents will have to

bite the bullet. They will have to pay for those more expensive

holidays during the school holiday period. And if they don't and take

their children out of school during term time, they will have to face

the consequences, which are fines. If they fail to pay the fines, they

will be prosecuted. In addition to that, John Platt will have his case

sent back to the magistrates court, where he will be found guilty of the

offence unless he can come within one of three very limited statutory

exceptions. And they really are simply whether the child was sick,

whether there is a religious reason for the absence, or whether the

child is sufficiently far from the school.

I think Jon Platt is coming out. They have all been outstanding

advocates and I cannot thank them enough for their work in this case

over the last two years. Karen Wilkinson, who is here today, who

campaigned on this issue for years, long before I got a penalty notice.

Thank you for your support and hard work. Thank you for the people that

is the people who sent messages of support and to the schoolteacher who

has helped me help parents in the same situation. Thank you to my

family who have had to put up with two years of this because I was too

stubborn to pay a penalty notice. My wife Sally has had to but with this

lunacy. As you all just heard, he Supreme Court has just reversed

decades of judicial precedent. They didn't just say the High Court judge

who heard my case, Lord Jones, misinterpreted the law. They have

concluded that the earlier High Court decision from 2006, and one

from 1969, were also wrong in their interpretation of the law and they

should no longer be followed. Be in no doubt, despite the judgment, I

followed the law precisely, as laid down and interpreted by High Court

judges in two different cases from 69 and 2006. They told me that to

attend regularly was to attend very frequently. So I decided not to pay

a ?60 penalty notice because my daughter had otherwise perfect

attendance at school. The decision of those High Court judges in 1969

and 2006 that decision. But here I stand outside the Supreme Court

having just been told I was wrong to rely on the decision doubles High

Court judges, to guide me on law. With this judgment, those precedents

have been swept away and the consequences can only be described

as shocking. To attend regularly no longer means to attend frequently.

It now means to attend on all the days and all the times that the

school requires it, every un-authorised absence, including

being a minute late to school, is now a criminal offence. If you share

custody of your child, as I do, with a former partner, and they are

linked to school holiday you don't have them, you are liable under a

criminal offence. If you decide to keep a child of school for a day

because you are their parent, you can no longer do that because if the

head teacher second guess is you and marks it as unauthorised, you have

committed a criminal offence. The issue is no longer if ever it was,

but term time holidays. It is about the state taking the rights of

parents away when it comes to making decisions about their children. Many

of you might have thought, given in 2015 when I took my family on this

term time holiday, as I was at that time following the law as laid down

by several High Court judges, that it would be grossly unfair to

retrospectively criminalise me. That was very nearly not the case. What

some of you in the press who have had the briefing this morning did

not know, was that the first draft of this judgment was sent to the

magistrates court with a direct instruction to conflict. There were

not prepared to give me a trial. This case stopped at half-time

because the magistrates said I had no case to answer. But the Supreme

Court were prepared to send this back with a direction to convicted

onto my barristers pointed out they could not do that. This case now has

to go back to the Isle of Wight magistrates to start all over again.

I can tell you, I have absolutely no intention of pleading guilty to this

offence when it goes back to the magistrates court. Deterrence all

over England I say this. The legal battle is now over. There is no

right of appeal beyond this place. It will be a generation or more

before this court revisits this decision, if ever it goes. You can

no longer make a decision to take your child out of school, even for

one morning, without the permission of the state. That does not mean

this is the end of the matter. Petitions have been signed by

hundreds of thousands of parents, Parliament has debated this issue

multiple times and nothing has changed. So I would urge each and

every parent and grandparents that finds the consequences of this

judgment to be utterly shocking, as I do, to vote on the 4th of May in

the local elections. They are not being held everywhere in England but

they are being held in a lot of places. Vote to remove people like

Colin Noble, the head of Suffolk County Council, the Conservative

leader of Suffolk County Council. They have issued more penalty

notices than any other local authority in the country. I think

parents need to say what they think about that on the 4th of May. If

enough parents bothered to vote on the 4th of May and remove people who

have been doing this, something will happen. Something will change. The

government will pass legislation to mitigate the effects of what is

happening. Jon Platt there. He is clearly

really cross about the ruling this morning. Reaction from you. Anita

says public schools have more holiday than state schools and are

not subject to the same regulations. Ian says it is disgusting that Jon

Platt has lost his case. Schools on the care because absence affects

their funding. Declan says, I would still rather pay a ?200 fine than an

extra ?1000 on a holiday. And so it goes on. A few people taking a pop

at teacher training days. Let me introduce you to Jon Platt's lawyer.

Catherina Scott-Hart, who was fined for taking her

children Amelie and Lewis out of school for four days.

In Middlesborough, Dominique Holding was fined ?200 for taking her two

children to see their relatives in Turkey during the school term.

And Patsy Kane, who is a firm believe in school fines

and is the executive headteacher at three second schools

As Jon Platt's lawyer, we could hear the -- clearly hear his passion, his

anger. He is going back to a magistrates court where he will

plead not guilty. There will not be a trial in the Crown Court because

it is not the kind of offence that the crown court hears. What is the

point of him doing that? To be frank, I have not had a detailed

discussion with him about his defence. I think Lady Hale has made

it clear that the Army as open to him the statutory defences. I think

one of the defences he might be arguing is to do with the distance

of the child to the school. That is not something outspoken in detail

about. What is your reaction to his defeat? I wasn't surprised by losing

the case, judging by how it went in the Supreme Court. My reaction is I

suppose it gives certainty, so people know where they stand. One of

Lady Hale's big points was that the law as it currently stands, or stood

before this, was that magistrates would have to decide what was

regular and what was not. The Supreme Court were anxious to find

certainty. But I suppose the flip side of that now is that she has

said that regularly means in accordance with the rules prescribed

by the school. So any breach in attendance all those rules will mean

that the parent has potentially committed an offence.

Dominic Holding, now we have had this ruling, you have been fined in

the past are taking your children out. Would it stop you doing it

again? I have not taken them out since I got fined in the first

place. It would depend on the cost of a holiday, if I'm honest. Rather

than breaking the law? Absolutely. Who is to tell me what I can and

can't do with my children? So if the holiday was cheap enough in term

time, you would rather break the law and pay the ?200 fine? Absolutely.

Let me bring in Patsy Kane, would you said to Dominic Holden? I am

absolutely delighted and pleased and feel supported that the state, in

terms of the highest court in the land, has agreed that attendance at

school is absolutely vital, and I'm sure the vast majority of parents

respect the work of schools, primaries and high schools, across

the country, and are also very pleased that their work is

respected, and it is valued. What would you say to Dominique Holding,

doesn't matter what this ruling is, what she was to look at is the cost

of a holiday and if it is way cheaper in term time she will still

take their children out of school? As educators we would talk and

explain to parents by every single day in school matters. The

curriculum has been extended and enriched, it is more challenging and

every single day really does matter and a whole week out of school is

several hours that you miss of your maths education, your English,

science, primary schools have several hours of English and maths,

they do that every single day, and you are missing whole lessons that

that child will never get back. So this ruling protects the education

of young children. Dominique, how would you respond to Patsy? The

thing you are pointing out is the hours in a day that you school fees

children, yet if I was to take my child out of school and home school

my children, I am not required to school them for six, seven, eight or

nine hours a day for five days over 40 weeks of the year, is it? So how

can you justify a child sitting for six hours a day, schooling, compared

to if I home-schooled, and scored for three hours a day? Dominique, it

is not a debate about home-schooling versus schooling in a traditional

setting, it is about taking your children out of school to go to

Turkey. I understand that, but what the headmistress is saying is that

if they miss a day in school, they have missed six hours of schooling,

which completes their curriculum. But in my eyes, if I was the

home-school my child, I don't have to be six hours a day, so why is it

they can't still fit their curriculum in with five days out of

the term for holidays? Holidays themselves in their own right are

educational visits. My children have been to many countries, they have

been to Turkey, Egypt, Greece, they have seen a lot of monuments and

architecture, and a lot of history and a lot of cultural differences.

Why is that not education in itself? Patsy Kane, that is a good point. I

am not against travel and visiting places of historical interest, it is

great if you can afford that. Schools are still doing their best

to enrich the education. But the fact is there are 13 weeks of

holiday during the year. Know, but the point is Dominique can't afford

to do that in school delays because it is so expensive. I would still

argue that a trip every two years is better, and there are plenty of

places fist Oracle interest in this country that can easily be reached

within 13 weeks holiday a year. Not like going to the old ruins of

Pompeii, but I take your point. E-mail from Jack, brilliant judges,

the father of Charlton to think that he and only he was right by his

actions take charge out of school without consultation or permission

of the head. Roger says it is the right decision by the Supreme Court.

Steve says the supreme court ruling means the holiday companies can

continue to levy excessively high prices during the main summer

holidays. I wonder if John Platt should not have taken the travel

companies to court. I am not sure if he could have an action against the

travel companies, that is not something we have discussed. What is

really important to understand about this is that it is not just about

school holidays. It now says that attendance mean obeying the rules of

what ever the school policy is. So importantly, and Katarina who I was

speaking to just now, there are lots of examples John has collated of

people who have had half a day here and therefore things that most

people might consider to be reasonable weatherhead is not

authorised it and it has resulted in a fixed penalty why prosecution. So

probably it is a divisive issue but a lot of people might agree that a

term time holiday is wrong but it becomes a different issue, family

funerals for example, John has examples of those, where they travel

for a funeral that has not been authorised. The issue goes far

beyond the holidays. Patsy Kane, do you acknowledge that an unauthorised

absence for a family funeral, being fined for that is crazy? I think

there would be unusual. It is, but it has happened. It may have

happened, that would be unusual. Most headteachers would be

compassionate, there are always circumstances that genuinely qualify

as exceptional circumstances. Schools and headteachers do have

some flexibility in that. In my mind, most headteachers would

probably consider that exceptional circumstances, so that would be a

very small minority of cases. John Platt also mentioned when talking

outside the Supreme Court, he said if your child wakes up tomorrow and

they are really tired, you can't as a parent make the decision to let

them have the day off school unless you are prepared to break the law.

Do you think that is right? Part of the responsible to your parents is

ensuring that your child gets to bed at a reasonable hour so they are fit

for school in the morning and they do have a good night's sleep. That

is a duty and responsible at the other parent. Dominique, you are

shaking your head and smiling, tell us why. Whilst I am not against

schooling and that children should be in school, mine are everyday,

what makes me smile and laugh about that is once again that is somebody

telling us how to parent our children. If we are the ones

parenting our children, why can't we make the decision over where they go

on holiday or when they go on holiday? And when they go to bed.

Thank you very much, all of you. Thank you for coming on the

programme, Dominique, and Patsy as well. Lee Peckham, thank you, John

Platt's lawyer. Still to come before the end of the programme, we will be

talking live to Lutalo Muhammad about how you bounce back from a

massive disappointment, in his case what he considered to be a defeat,

when he came within a second of gold medal at last's Olympics.

Next, Melissa Cochrane and her husband Kurt were both hit

by Khalid Masood's car on Westminster Bridge.

Kurt was killed, Melissa suffered a broken leg,

That day had been part of the trip of a lifetime,

they'd travelled from their home in Utah through Europe

to celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary.

Earlier this morning, I spoke with Kurt's son, Dallas,

He says he does not hate Khalid Masood.

He told me how they heard the news at home in Salt Lake City:

I was home alone, and I got a text from my older brother, saying that

my dad and Melissa were involved in the London attacks. I got a few

photos. So that was how I first found out. Of course, it was

unbelievable, I didn't really believe it at first, even after

seeing the pictures, I mean, it was a heavy experience. It is still hard

to take in. We confirmed that it was them, and we were talking through my

aunt, and they were in contact with my grandparents, and they kind of

confirmed everything for us, sent us more photos, and that's how I found

out. For most people, it's unimaginable to lose their dad in

this way. How do you rationalise that? Like I said, it is hard to

rationalise. I still can't believe it is happening. It is so

overwhelming, but I just tried to focus on the positive, and celebrate

the time that I did have with my dad. Tell our British audience a bit

about your dad. My dad was the most loving, giving, humble guy you can

come across. Always a good time, always good hanging out with him,

kids loved him. He always had a smile on his face, it was

contagious, he just have that contagious laugh. He is going to be

missed. He always saw the good in everything. He knew the reason we

are here is just to enjoy the pleasures of life, and I think that

is what he passed on to me, and he has taught me that. That is how we

kind of choose to live our life. He really is an amazing guy. I want to

play you something that your stepmum, Melissa, said in an

interview with the BBC last night. You may have heard it already but I

just want to play this already, if I may. He was probably the most loving

man I've ever met. No hate. Just loved everyone. There was just such

love in his heart. And you can manage to do that yourself, not feel

ill will to the man that has produced in this wheelchair, that

has ended your future together with your husband? You're I don't think I

could feel my injuries or might Dyche myself as a person if I had

hate in my heart, and Kurt wouldn't want that either, so there is no

hate. I can see that you are nodding in agreement with that. Is that

something you feel strongly? I feel very strongly about that, and that

is exactly what my dad would want as well. Just focus on the positive.

There is no reason to hate anybody for this. That is not going to fix

anything, it will not make anybody feel better. So just celebrate the

times that you did have. Have you thought about the man who did this?

Not really at all. I have seen little pictures here and there, but

I have kind of chosen to avoid looking into whatever his story was.

It is not going to help me any summer knowing who it was or why he

did it. I just want to be there for my

stepmum in her recovery to help her out the best I can, and just

remember my dad for what he was, and just focus on that. You and your

family are now trying to raise money for Melissa, your dad's wife, your

stepmum, because she is self-employed, isn't she? Yes, her

and my dad opened up the recording studios they have, built it up from

the ground up, and were self-employed. Just working out of

our house. Predictably, there have been some trolls online, accusing

Melissa of "Faking her injuries" after a photo appeared at her

smiling in hospital. How do you react to people who have suggested

that? I honestly just kind of choose to avoid that. There is a way is

going to be trolls, as you say, there will always be negativity, but

we choose to focus on the positive, and we are just super grateful for

all the money that we have got, it has gone far beyond what we thought

we were going to get. It has been amazing, all the help we have got

from everybody. What has the response been like from people here

in the UK, and in the States? When we were in London, it could not have

been more accommodating. We were escorted everywhere, everything was

sorted for us, we could not have been treated better. Fear, the night

it happened, the FBI was involved, got us on a plane immediately, got

us to where we needed to be, our passports and everything. It could

not have gone more smoothly. And I am very thankful for everybody that

was involved. Your stepmum attended the service of hope yesterday at

Westminster. Do you know when she is going to be able to come home to you

in Salt Lake City? We're not sure exactly. We've been told hopefully

within the week. But that is still on the fence, we are not positive

exactly when, but we are optimistic and hoping that we can have her home

safe soon. That was Kurt Cochran's son, Dallas, talking to us earlier.

Still to come in the last half-hour of the programme.

We'll be talking Live to Lutalo Muhammad -

about turning failure into success - after he came within

a second of a gold medal at last years Olympics.

Also, we will bring you details about the Labour pledge on free

school meals for state primary school pupils, as their leader

Jeremy Corbyn says he wants to make them available to all primary school

kids in England. In the last few minutes,

the father who refused to pay a fine after taking his daughter out

of school for an unauthorised holiday, has lost his case

the Supreme Court. Jon Platt was fined when he took his

daughter away for a week He refused to pay, because -

he said - his daughter's attendance The High Court had originally ruled

that the holiday did not constitute regular absenteeism -

but this morning, the Supreme Court has overturned that judgment,

saying that it's disruptive to children's education

to take them out of school. This is how Lady Hale

announced the ruling. Unauthorised absences

have a disruptive effect. Not only on the education

of the individual child, but also on the work of other pupils

and of their teachers. If one pupil can be taken

out whenever it suits Different pupils might be taken

out at different times, Any educational system expects

people to keep the rules. Not to do so is unfair to those

obedient parents who do keep the rules, whatever the cost

or inconvenience to themselves. In the last few minutes Mr Platt has

been giving his reaction to the judgment. Be in no doubt, despite

the judgment, I followed the law precisely as laid down and

interpreted by High Court judges in two different cases from 69 and

2006. They told me that to attend regularly was to attend very

frequently, so I decided not to pay a ?60 penalty notice because my

daughter had otherwise perfect attendance at school. The decision

of those High Court judges in 1969 and 2006 informed that decision, but

here I stand having just been told I was wrong to rely on the decisions

of those High Court judges to guide me on the law. With this judgment,

those precedents have been swept away and the consequences can only

be described as shocking. To attend regularly no longer means to attend

frequently. It now means to attend on all the days and that all the

times that the school requires it. Every unauthorised absence,

including being a minute late to school, is now a criminal offence.

The Prime Minister will meet the European Council President,

Donald Tusk, at Downing Street this lunchtime.

They're expected to discuss the Uk's exit from the European Union -

a week after Mr Tusk set out the Eu's draft guidelines

A mother who went missing with her two young sons has been

Samantha Baldwin was last seen with six-year-old Dylan

and nine-year-old Louis in Nottingham on the

Nottinghamshire Police say all three have been found,

Labour says if it wins the next election, it'll provide every

primary school pupil in England with a free school meal, by charging

Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning that a Labour government

would invest in schools to ensure no child is held back because

But the move has been criticised by the Independent Schools Council,

which claims the sums do not add up.

Pepsi has pulled its controversial new advert starring Kendall Jenner,

after criticism that it was trying to commercialise protest movements

The company received thousands of complaints about the tone

and the content of the advert, in which Jenner joins

a demonstration and gives a can of the soft drink

Pepsi says it was trying to project a "global message of unity,

peace and understanding", and apologised for, in its words,

That is a summary of the latest news. Join me at 11. Thank you.

Thank you for your reaction to the ruling from the Supreme Court. Linda

says, I think parents have been penalised yet again. We already have

to keep taking endless days of work for teacher training days. These

should be during the school holidays. Parents have little or no

time with their children and should choose when and where to spend it.

Joseph says, we all know the real reason and if the holiday companies

would stop ripping off hard-working parents, this problem wouldn't

arise. There is no reason other than financial gain for the holiday firms

to increase the price of trips during school holidays. Another

Linda says if parents are not allowed to take their children on

holiday during term time, why holidays organised by the school?

Susan says she was delighted with the ruling. So much school time for

her children was disrupted by people taking their children out of town --

school during term time. Setup with these selfish people who think their

child is more important than everybody else's.

Now the sport. Good morning. A busy night in the Premier League last

night. Chelsea are a step closer to another Premier League title after

beating Manchester City 2-1. They recovered from their shock defeat to

Crystal Palace at the weekend and remain seven points clear of nearest

rivals Spurs. Eden Hazard was in great form, scoring his 15th and

16th goals of the season. Manager Antonio Conte has been doing his

songs. There are eight games to go. We must know that Tottenham are

going to win the games. And for this reason we need to take 18 points to

mathematically win the title. Spurs are the only team with any hope of

catching Chelsea. There were 1-0 down against Swansea with two

minutes left. Three goals in six minutes gave them a 3-1 win.

Meanwhile, the bottom of the table, a huge win for Hull. They have

climbed out of the relegation zone for the first time since October.

They came from behind to beat relegation rivals Middlesbrough. The

body which represents referees has apologised after Keith should --

Keith Stroud's Eire last night when he failed to instruct Newcastle to

retake a penalty against Burton after Pat -- players from both sides

encroached into the penalty area. Matt Ritchie's spot kick went in but

the referee wanly awarded Burton a free kick instead of a retake, to

the bemusement of the players. Manager Rafa Benitez and 59,000

Newcastle fans. Ritchie had the final word on the night as his

second-half goal gave Newcastle the win which keeps them top of the

Championship. Also last night, Celtic's 1-1 jaw with Partick

Thistle means they are 23 points ahead of Aberdeen. The Republic of

Ireland's women's team have reached an agreement with the governing body

after allegations from players that they were not been treated properly.

The team are threatened not to train if there were not improved support.

After mediation talks, the FA I confirmed this morning that all

issues have now been resolved and the players will resume training

ahead of Monday's game against Slovakia. Now he might be the world

number one, and have won his last three tournaments, but Dustin

Johnson's brilliant 2017 came to an abrupt halt yesterday. He fell down

the stairs of his rented home near Gloucester. The world number one

injured his back and now could miss the Masters, which starts later

today. Johnson is the favourite to win the green jacket on Sunday and

has been taking anti-inflammatory tablets in a bid to make his tee

time just after 7pm. A race against time. That is the sport. Thank you.

Good morning. He was one second away

from achieving his life's dream - winning a gold medal at the Olympics

- when it all went wrong. Tae Kwon Do athlete Lutalo Muhammad

was beaten in the most dramatic way in his Olympic Final

last summer in Rio. He was inconsolable,

picking up silver instead. He broke down on TV

and apologised to the nation. So how do you cope with failure,

bounce back from such Lutalo's made a film exclusively

with us as he comes to terms Along the way he met people whose

'failures' had been private, but for one very well-known person

in particular - they'd Here is an extract.

Someone whose failures and successes have been left out in the public eye

for decades is businessman Lord sugar. Who better to come to for

advice on moving on? There was a time in the computer industry where

we were king of the computer market in Europe and we made a bad range of

products that had a technical fault on them. We struggled to understand

what those technical faults were. And in that period of time, we

dropped from the darlings of the computer industry, down to virtually

zero. That was a very tough time. A very tough time. We went from making

profits of ?160 million a year to losses of 70 million. Big bank debts

and things like that. That was a very tough time. In my personal

experience, I lost at the Olympics in the last second. One of the

hardest thing to deal with was knowing the entire world was

watching. In your experience, how do you overcome that? Failure,

something that went wrong, it is not a good thing. But it is factually

correct. It wasn't a nice time but you have to deal with it. You can't

deal with it by arguing against it or making excuses. It is factually

right. We had a failure. I had a failure. And people talked about my

failure and all that stuff. But you have to move on until you get your

next product in the marketplace, like our satellite dishes, and

suddenly everything else was forgotten. Did that criticism help

you? It helped in the sense that you take no notice of it. It is like the

old thing, yesterday's newspaper, really. Our cousins in America have

got a new president. He doesn't seem to have learned that lesson. I'm

actually -- absolutely surprised about that. He seems to react to

every bit of criticism that is thrown at him, whereas he shouldn't,

really. It should be water off duck's back. All I have to do is win

the medal and everything will be forgotten? Yeah exactly. And United

do that. -- and you know how to do that. I

have just spoken to Lord sugar and what I have learned is that I can't

focus on the outside noise, I can only focus on what I can control.

Good morning. Good morning. How are you? Really well. Brilliance to be

here. What did you want to get out of this film? A few things. A little

bit of closure. Two, I guess, finally close that chapter. It's

such a big part of my life. I received so much exposure from it.

To be able to move on and get -- and chased the next gold medal in Tokyo.

But also what it gave me that I probably didn't expect was a lot of

perspective. Speaking to people like Lord sugar was an amazing

experience. But also speaking to Naomi and Paloma, who have been

through really, really ruff times. They didn't receive a sink -- silver

medal as consolation for their perceived failure. I felt a lot of

empathy for them. It makes me think about people should never think they

are failures. You should always see the positive in every situation, but

for some people that is harder than others. Butterfat perspective is

key. Let me read you this e-mail. Joshua is 23. He says, I wish to

tell anybody watching that learning how to fail, learning how to fall,

actually, has been my most painful and greatest lesson in my life so

far. I'm 23. My mum took her own life when I was 16 and I had to take

a break from my studies. Being the competitive person I was, I felt I

was a failure as I saw my peers go on to achieve the things I want to.

But grief is a painful thing that you must work with and not against.

Healing time is essential. Having slowly learned to stopping so harsh

on myself and learning more about grief besides, I feel that every

setback I encounter has less of an effect on my progress. This is in

part? To my being far less concerned with -- with what the world thinks

about what I have not achieved, if indeed it really does think