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Hello. Good morning, it is Wednesday, it's 9am. I'm Victoria | :00:08. | :00:15. | |
Derbyshire. 72 dead, 20 of them children in a suspected chemical | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
attack in north-west Syria. The pictures of dead and dying children | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
are almost impossible to look at. What can be done, if anything? | :00:24. | :00:31. | |
I lost my son, my children, my neighbours, my daughter. They're all | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
gone. I only have got left... We will be live on the ground where it | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
happened and we'll ask whether the attack was carried out on the orders | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
of the Syrian president? Also on the programme, in an exclusive interview | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
a mum whose violent and abusive ex is subject to the first ever court | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
order forcing him to tell authorities if he gets a new | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
girlfriend tells us she hopes it will protect other women. No matter | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
how much fear you have and no match how much blackmailing and | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
intimidation you go for it, because if people judge you and you keep | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
believing what your abuser is saying, at the end you're going to | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
lose yourself and somehow, you can lose your life. | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
We will bring you the full exclusive interview shortly. An investigation | :01:22. | :01:32. | |
by this programme and the Asian Network discover the Muslim women | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
paying to marry, have sex with and then divorce a stranger so that they | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
can get with their first husband. It is very, very regularment so all the | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
time. A lot of people are under the impression that the marriage is | :01:47. | :01:53. | |
over. So as far as are' concerned it is against the religion? It is | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
forbidden. Hello and welcome to the programme. | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
We're live until 11am. We'll bring you the latest breaking | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
news and developing stories. A little later we'll hear how | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
various politicians are working together to try and stop benefit | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
changes which will leave some bereaved spouses | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
and children worse off. It follows our interview with a man | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
called Alan yesterday who has He told us his wife would be better | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
off if he died today Do get in touch on all the stories | :02:26. | :02:40. | |
we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
and If you text, you will be charged The UN Security Council will hold | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
an emergency session later to discuss a suspected chemical | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
attack in Syria which is reported to have killed at least 72 people, | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
many of them children. The US has accused the Assad regime | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
of "barbarism" and joined Britain and France in calling | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
on the United Nations to order The Syrian government denies | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
using chemical weapons and Russia claims that a rebel arms | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
store was hit. You may find images | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
in Sarah Corker's report upsetting. Hundreds of innocent Syrians, | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
including many children, struggling to breathe | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
after a suspected chemical Distressing images and evidence that | :03:20. | :03:20. | |
will no doubt dominate emergency talks held by the UN | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
Security Council later today. Global leaders have called | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
for a rapid investigation Some of the injured were treated | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
across the border in Turkey. Medics wore face masks to protect | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
themselves from the toxic gases. TRANSLATION: We were | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
affected by the gas. We couldn't stand up. | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
I felt dizzy and sick. I suffered from shortness of breath. | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
I couldn't breathe. This apparent chemical strike | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
on a rebel held town has brought The US, Britain and France have | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
all blamed the Syrian I'm appalled by the reports that | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
there's been a chemical weapons and attack on a town south of Idlib, | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
allegedly by the Syrian regime. We condemn the use of chemical | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
weapons in all circumstances. If proven, this will be further | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
evidence of the barbarism Using chemical weapons | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
is a war crime. President Assad's regime denied | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
launching Tuesday's attack, echoing denials it has made over | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
the course of Syria's And just as doctors were treating | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
those who survived, the hospital The attack will overshadow | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
an international conference in Brussels later, discussing aid | :04:42. | :04:51. | |
effort in Syria. Thousands of civilians | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
are still trapped by fighting. What effective action can | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
the international community now take What can the international community | :04:56. | :05:24. | |
do? Well, this is a summit that was called to focus as the title says on | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
the future of Syria, but time and again these world leaders are being | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
forced to the very punishing present reality of the Syrian conflict and | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
right behind me in the last hour, one after another, world leaders | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
went by issuing a strongly worded condemnation of this latest atrocity | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
in Syria and another alleged war crime. And warning of a price to | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
pay, but as always, what will be the price when the Foreign Secretary | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
Boris Johnson passed by here, I asked him for his reaction to the | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
alleged war crime. I have seen nothing to suggest or | :06:00. | :06:09. | |
rather to lead us to think that it is anything but the regime and all | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
the evidence I have and there maybe more to come out of this by the way, | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
all the evidence I have seen REPORTER: What have you seen? All | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
the evidence that I have seen suggests that this was the Assad | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
regime who did it in the full knowledge that they were using | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
illegal weapons in a barbaric attack on their own people. I would like to | :06:35. | :06:41. | |
see those culpable pay a price for this. | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
REPORTER: What is the price? That's been said time and time again. I | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
certainly do not see how a Government like that can continue to | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
have any kind of legitimate administration of the people of | :06:55. | :07:02. | |
Syria. Thank you very much. Another warning of a price to pay, | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
but it is Syrian civilians, including Syrian children, who are | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
paying the heaviest price of all in this conflict. The arguments about | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
who carried out the attack and today and later today in New York, world | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
powers will argue about what is to be done. When the UN secretary | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
general went by I asked him whether it was a defining moment for the | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
international community. He has called it a moment of truth. | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
The last time there was a big chemical attack on Syrian civilians, | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
the then president of the US, President Obama, called it a red | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
line. It wasn't, nothing really happened to President Assad. So, | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
practically, what could be done? Is it simply diplomatic sanctions? Is | :07:48. | :07:54. | |
it economic sanctions? What? Well we'll just go back to the summer of | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
2013 when the British Parliament voted not to take military action in | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
Syria and that played a role in then President Obama's decision also not | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
to use military strikes in order to punish President Assad for the | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
chemical attack in 2013 which let's remind our viewers killed 1,000 | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
people and was confirmed to be the use of the illegal chemical which is | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
sarin gas so we're back at the same place again with the world community | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
discussing whether another red line has been crossed. Nobody, no | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
country, wants to including Britain, wants to send more forces to fight | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
another war in Syria. So they have to look at what kind of military | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
pressure is possible, what kind of sanctions are available, but first | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
of all, they have to conclude, give decisive proof as to who carried out | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
this attack, what were the consequences of it, and what within | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
all the tools available to the international community can be the | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
consequences for those who carried it out? And this is a big attack, | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
but I have come back from spending two weeks in Syria and on an almost | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
daily basis there are accusations that a use of chemicals or | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
chancellor reen gas is used somewhere at some time in Syria. | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
Sometimes we notice them and sometimes we don't and today we're | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
noticing them. Thank you very much Lyse. | :09:23. | :09:30. | |
Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
A woman whose former partner has been convicted | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
of domestic violence offences and has been ordered to inform | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
police about every new relationship he enters into hopes that the court | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
Under the seven-year Criminal Behaviour Order, | :09:45. | :09:52. | |
Kylle Godfrey must inform police if he is in a relationship | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
Scotland Yard says it's the first time that a court order has been | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
used to protect victims of domestic abuse. | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
This programme will be speaking exclusively | :10:04. | :10:05. | |
to Kylle's former partner, Shira. | :10:06. | :10:06. | |
are charging "divorced" Muslim women thousands of pounds to take part | :10:07. | :10:25. | |
in so-called "halala" Islamic marriages - | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
an investigation by this programme and the Asian Network has found | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
In reality they are sham marriage where women pay to marry, | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
have sex with and then divorce a stranger, so they can get back | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
with their first husbands - often leaving women open | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
to financial exploitation, blackmail and even sexual abuse. | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
A child has suffered life-threatening injuries | :10:40. | :10:41. | |
The attack happened in Chatham yesterday afternoon. | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
Two people have been arrested over the incident and the dog | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
The Prime Minister has indicated that free movement of EU citizens | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
across British frontiers may need to continue in some | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
Theresa May explained that while immigration would be under | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
British control from the moment the UK left the EU, there would need | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
The European Parliament will vote later today on a resolution laying | :11:00. | :11:08. | |
out the terms it believes the EU must demand during | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
It says the UK must honour its financial liabilities and abide | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
by EU standards if it wants to maintain a close trading | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
Within the past few minutes, Nigel Farage has been addressing | :11:18. | :11:26. | |
members of the European Parliament where he was quickly | :11:27. | :11:28. | |
You're behaving like the Mafia. You think we're a hostage. We're not. | :11:29. | :11:42. | |
We're free to go. 85, no, I know, I know, I do understand... | :11:43. | :11:51. | |
I do understand... TRANSLATION: Sorry Mr Farage. | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
Listen, I will try and give you the chance to speak and say everything | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
you want to say. If you talk about the Mafia and say this Parliament is | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
behaving like the Mafia, that's not acceptable. | :12:07. | :12:07. | |
APPLAUSE No, I downed stand... I do | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
understand, sir, Mr President, I do understand national sensitivities | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
and I'll change it to gangsters, all right? And that is how, that is how | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
we're being treated. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
News - more at 9.30am. Manchester United are still | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
unbeaten, but they'll be worried about finishing | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
in the top four now. They drew 1-1 with Everton at Old | :12:35. | :12:45. | |
Trafford. I'm sure fans will be worried about that. Here is one of | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
the goals that you don't expect to see from an Everton defender. | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
Phil Jagielka Look at this touch to put them 1-0 up. Ashley Williams was | :12:56. | :13:05. | |
given a red card for handball. Manchester United equalised by a | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
penalty. For Manchester United fans I guess it is whether you consider | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
your glass half empty or half full. Half the matches have been draws and | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
they are four points off fourth place, and they will be worried | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
about the fourth qualification spot for the Champions League. | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
What's the latest with David Moyes and Sunderland after controversial | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
comments earlier this week to a female reporter. | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
He threatened to slap a female reporter during an interview. The FA | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
chairman Greg Clarke has come out to criticise David Moyes. Clarke said | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
it was regrettable and disTAsful and showed a complete lack of respect. | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
He said it is doubly bad to use such a term to a woman because there is a | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
lot of violence against women in society and terms like that just | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
aren't disrespectful. This comes after David Moyes was backed by | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
Sunderland and problems for Sunderland and David Moyes continued | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
on the pitch. They lost 2-0 at Leicester. They're rooted to the | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
bottom of the Premier League table and still eight points from safety. | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
Republic of Ireland's women's football team | :14:17. | :14:18. | |
have threatened to go on strike, what's happened? | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
This centres around player treatment. Now a group of the | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
players have come out publicly and decided to speak out on the lack of | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
support, the lack of finance, and the kind of lack of organisation as | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
part of that team. The players have said that some of them en route to | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
matches have had to change in public toilets. No way for, you know, an | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
elite training environment to take place and they've refused to train | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
today unless the governing body, the FAI hold talks with their | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
representatives. The FAI have said they're disappointed that players | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
would threaten to strike and refuse to play for their country and | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
they've made repeated attempts at payment and compensation. Now, the | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
players, the team, have a match against Slovakia on Monday, but it | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
will be interesting to see if that goes ahead at all Victoria with a | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
breakdown of communication between the two at the moment. | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
OK, thank you very much, Jess. All This morning - an exclusive | :15:19. | :15:27. | |
interview with the mum of two whose violent ex partner is believed to be | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
the first person in England and Wales to be subject to a court | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
order which means he must tell It's intended to protect | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
future victims. Under the seven-year | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
criminal behaviour order, Kylle Godfrey must inform police | :15:49. | :15:49. | |
if he is in a relationship for more than 14 days, | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
officers can then tell new partners about his previous violent | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
behaviour under the domestic In an exclusive interview, | :15:56. | :15:56. | |
his former partner Shira - who was subjected to brutal attacks | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
and controlling behaviour from him over a period of 6 years - | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
told us she hopes the order will protect other | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
women in the future. The 33 year old - who doesn't want | :16:07. | :16:07. | |
us to her full name - moved to this country | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
from the Philippines She has two children | :16:12. | :16:12. | |
with Godfrey, aged 3 and 4. In her only broadcast interview | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
she began by giving her in a way, they said that it would be | :16:18. | :16:33. | |
a bit difficult to get it. -- before we got the order, by the way. | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
Because we have not got it before. But having the order now, it makes | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
me feel more safe and I feel that other women would also be protected | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
by this order because basically if he will inform the police if he has | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
a new girlfriend, the police would be able to speak to that woman, and | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
I think a lot of women out there, not just me, will be protected from | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
domestic violence in the future. But it will be up to him to report | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
himself to the police to let them know he is in a relationship. Yes, | :17:09. | :17:18. | |
it would be up to him but the police said that if he was with someone and | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
he did not record it, and the woman called police on him, like I used to | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
do before, I used to call the police him numerous times, but I did not go | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
to court or press charges, because I kept going back to him. This time, | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
they say that they can't prosecute him straightaway for just breaching | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
that order. I understand that you were with Kyle Godfrey for six | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
years. He regularly would he attack or beat you? -- how regularly. The | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
first two years of our relationship, it happened may be for a longer | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
period, for example 1-4 months or 1-6 months. It depended on his mood | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
or if there was a problem that arise to. But in the latter part of the | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
relationship, it was getting more frequent, and I can see that he is | :18:17. | :18:26. | |
getting out of control, so I can't monitor it any more, or do not know | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
how frequent it is any more. All I remember is that sometimes even | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
little things would actually trigger him, and he could just throw | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
something on my face. Like if he feels like unhappy, if I may say, so | :18:42. | :18:49. | |
that is how it is. But with a six-year relationship, there were a | :18:50. | :18:58. | |
few times where I was really injured, and he destroyed my staff, | :18:59. | :19:06. | |
leaving me with nothing. Can I ask what kind of things he did to you? | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
Punching. He normally punched my chest or the side of my body. | :19:14. | :19:25. | |
Sometimes I feel like it is bullying as well because sometimes he would | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
do some things in front of me that actually scare me, like lighting a | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
lighter with spray, or turning a cooker, and when the alarm goes off | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
in the house, I get scared because the cooker gets really hot. Or | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
flicking a cigarette in front of me. Or even sometimes it went really bad | :19:46. | :19:55. | |
when one time he actually hit me, slapped me really hard and I lost | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
consciousness. And instead of him getting me up, he poured cold water | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
on me, so I would wake up. And there was an occasion, I think, where he | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
smashed your head against the floor. Yes. That was actually the calling | :20:11. | :20:18. | |
that I had because I felt like at that moment, when I was dragged into | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
the kitchen and he was smashing my head on the floor, like four or five | :20:25. | :20:31. | |
times, I can't remember, but that was when I realised, I thought I was | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
going to die that time, to be honest with you, Victoria, because no one | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
was helping me and he cannot control himself any more. So I just had a | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
little prey and I realised that not one deserves to be in that position, | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
and my life is more important than this. I feel like if I am going to | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
die here, what are people going to say? I lost my life with this | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
horrible man? I also thought about my family back home, if something | :21:05. | :21:12. | |
happened to me no one would even know. Goodness, that is such a sad | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
thought that if something happened to you, you feel your family would | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
not find out what he had done to you. Yes, because that's how he | :21:19. | :21:28. | |
makes me feel sometimes. Even though I have been in the UK for a few | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
years now, and I have children with him, it is like I am still a | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
foreigner. It's just sad. Women like me, women out there that are still | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
suffering from domestic violence, you only realise when you are in a | :21:44. | :21:52. | |
life or death situation. I am here to tell children that they are that | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
they should not have to wait to get to that moment because you might not | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
be lucky enough to survive it. Because that time, when he saw me | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
bleeding, he just stood up and realised what he had done. But what | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
if the person will not wake up, or will not stop, and then you end up | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
being dead? Was changed in the end? Why did you work with the police to | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
bring this man to justice? Because I felt like even though I was the | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
victim, I felt like I was the one running away from the police, | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
because there are so many things that have been stuck in my mind, | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
being in a domestic relationship actually takes away your power. At | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
some point you just believe whatever he says, what ever your ex would say | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
to you. When there are so many factors, like everything that | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
surrounds you, you feel like you should not be doing it, and | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
sometimes you feel like you are going to be the bad person, you are | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
going to be the bad mother, and you do not want to do that. Thankfully I | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
had a very persistent police officer, and she never gave up on | :23:05. | :23:14. | |
me. She kept on pushing me, encouragingly, and of course the | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
constant calls and letters and e-mails that I received, plus I have | :23:19. | :23:28. | |
family support, like my cousin came over, so I have a bit more of that | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
push to go to court. In February this year, Godfrey was jailed for | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
three years for his violence against you and another woman whilst he was | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
on bail. How do you feel about that sentence? Well, that sentence, when | :23:43. | :23:51. | |
they did the sentencing I felt relief, because I feel like this is | :23:52. | :24:01. | |
it, you know, I was able to go to the end part. And now I can just | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
concentrate on moving on. In regards to the other matter, his issues with | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
other exes that he has, I cannot really comment about it. But for | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
whatever reason, I think just as a woman like me, sometimes you go to | :24:20. | :24:27. | |
feel like it is too much and for you it is too enough, and you have to do | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
what you have to do, which is to stand yourself. -- stand up for | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
yourself. When he is released from jail, if he ends up in another | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
relationship is supposed to tell the police about it, that is the | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
condition of the order. Do you have faith that he will actually do that? | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
I do not think he will do that. But I think he will be more cautious | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
about it and this order, I hope, will also give him some thinking | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
before he comes -- goes into a relationship. He will have to think | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
that him, or even other men, if you cannot treat the woman right and you | :25:07. | :25:14. | |
cannot cope with yourself with a person rightfully and humanely, then | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
don't go for it. There are other ways for them to go out with a | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
woman. But I have experienced being in an intimate relationship triggers | :25:25. | :25:35. | |
these issues, and domestic issues, that result in violence, then don't | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
go for it. Because now the law has improved in terms of protecting | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
women. But my faith with him, I don't think he will report it, but I | :25:48. | :25:55. | |
think he will think about it first. You have said that you felt at times | :25:56. | :25:57. | |
that you could not escape the relationship with him. I wonder if | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
this order had been imposed when he had met you, how would it have | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
protected you and your children? Well, if this order was placed | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
before me, then I would of course, if the police had talked to me about | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
it, how serious it was before, then maybe it would change more of my | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
life now. But in terms of being in a domestic relationship, sometimes | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
even for myself I cannot explain how I stayed with him that long. Even | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
though there are some people out there like his family, who told me | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
about what happened in his previous relationships, but still you feel | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
like you are in love with the person and the person will change. What | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
would your message be two other victims of domestic abuse who might | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
be watching this interview right now, who may be trapped in such a | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
relationship, frightened to speak out? What would you say to them? | :27:03. | :27:15. | |
Well, I just want to tell them that there is was away to get out of it. | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
It is not going to be easy because at the end of the day you feel like | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
you are out of it, but somehow you were trapped with the memories and | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
the pain that you have gone through. At I hope that they will not wait | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
for them to waste their lives for so many years being with someone that | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
they do not deserve. No one deserves to be in domestic violence. No | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
matter what race you are, where you come from, no matter how long you | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
have been in the country. No one deserves to be in that relationship, | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
especially women with children. They do not deserve to see domestic | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
violence, and I hope that they will come out and stand for it. No matter | :28:06. | :28:13. | |
how much you have and how much intimidation you get, you go for it | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
because at the end of the day, if people judge you and if you keep | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
believing what Europe user is saying, at the end you are going to | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
lose yourself and somehow you can lose your life. All you have to do | :28:26. | :28:35. | |
is just one day wake up and have the strength to run away or turn your | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
back. And just think of the next step, once you are out of the | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
relationship. And don't go back. If you turn your back, don't keep | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
coming back, because the more you come back, the more you put yourself | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
at risk. And you can lose a lot. You can lose your children, you can lose | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
your life, you can lose yourself. Even the smile on your face. That is | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
what I want to tell other women out there. That is such a powerful | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
message from you. Do you feel free now? Yes. I am sorry for crying. I | :29:12. | :29:20. | |
have not tried for so long, in terms of like emotionally. I used to cry | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
when I was with Kyle and now sometimes, I am mostly happy now and | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
I am more peaceful. Victoria, I just want to get this opportunity to tell | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
also people in the position, or people who can actually help these | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
women like I have experienced. Please, we have to help women, not | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
just talking and stuff. We need to push them out of this, they need | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
support. The government should support women, because it was really | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
hard. Sometimes you want to come out but you cannot even go to a refuge, | :30:04. | :30:12. | |
especially like people's corners, because they are not going to | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
respect you if you do not have access to public funds or if you are | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
not a British citizen. Regardless, the government should give more | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
support to women out there so they can go to court and end the | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
proceedings and once and for all move on with their lives. Her | :30:28. | :30:38. | |
ex-partner in is in jail. He is believed to be the first person in | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
England and Wales to be sub to a court order which means he must tell | :30:43. | :30:44. | |
the police if he gets a new girlfriend. | :30:45. | :30:56. | |
If you want to find out help, you can by contacting the BBC's | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
Actionline. Let me read some comments from you. Audrey says, | :31:03. | :31:11. | |
"Bravo to this young lady to help bring this animal to justice." A | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
viewer says, "I experienced domestic violence for 18 years. I'm glad the | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
help is out there for men and women so they don't have to stay with an | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
abuserment I'm so proud of this lady speaking out and I hope it will help | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
others suffering to take back control of their lives." | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
The women who pay thousands to marry, have sex | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
with and then divorce a stranger, so that they can get back | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
After our interview yesterday with Alan - | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
a father of two with terminal cancer - church leaders and politicians | :31:46. | :31:51. | |
have united to say they are going to fight the Government's cuts | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
to support for bereaved parents which come in tomorrow. | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
We'll speak to three of them just after 10am. | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
The UN Security Council is to hold emergency talks | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
following a suspected chemical attack in Syria - which has left | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
at least 58 people dead, including a number of children. | :32:13. | :32:20. | |
The Assad regime denies using chemical weapons. | :32:21. | :32:28. | |
Russia has blamed the poisoning on the rebels. | :32:29. | :32:37. | |
A woman whose former partner has been convicted | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
of domestic violence offences, and has been ordered to inform | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
police about every new relationship he enters into hopes that the court | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
Under the seven-year criminal behaviour order, | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
Kylle Godfrey must inform police if he is in a relationship | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
Scotland Yard says it's the first time that a court order has been | :32:52. | :32:58. | |
used to protect victims of domestic abuse. | :32:59. | :33:05. | |
A child has suffered life-threatening injuries | :33:06. | :33:06. | |
The attack happened in Chatham yesterday afternoon. | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
Two people have been arrested over the incident and the dog | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will attend what's | :33:14. | :33:23. | |
being called "a service of Hope and Reconciliation later", | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
for the victims of the Westminster attack. | :33:29. | :33:29. | |
Around two thousand people are expected to attend the event | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
Families of the victims, faith leaders and representatives | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
from the emergency services will be among the guests. | :33:36. | :33:37. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
Manchester United left it late to earn a draw in last night's | :33:40. | :33:47. | |
Premier League match at home to Everton. | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
The visitors scored in the first-half, | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
but Zlatan Ibrahimovic scored a 94th minute penalty. | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
United are now unbeaten in 20 games but have drawn nine | :33:57. | :33:58. | |
The Football Association chairman Greg Clarke has reportedly described | :33:59. | :34:06. | |
David Moyes' comments to a BBC reporter as "regrettable" | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
Sunderland remain bottom of the Premier League table | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
after a 2-0 loss last night to a resurgent Leicester. | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
Defending champion Heather Watson wasted two match points before | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
eventually winning in three sets at the Monterrey Open | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
The Masters gets underway tomorrow and Danny Willett hopes | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
a return to Augusta can spark a return to form. | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
He has failed to win a tournament since donning | :34:34. | :34:35. | |
That's your headlines. I will be back at 10am. | :34:36. | :34:45. | |
An investigation by this programme and the Asian Network has found that | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
a number of online services are charging "divorced" Muslim women | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
thousands of pounds to take part in what's known as "halala" | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
In reality they are a sham marriage where women pay to marry, | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
have sex with and then divorce a stranger, so they can get back | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
with their first husbands, often leaving women open | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
to financial exploitation, blackmail and even sexual abuse. | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
The controversial practice is believed, by a very small | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
minority of Muslims, to be the only way a divorced woman | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
can get back with her husband after what's known as a triple talaq | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
- that's an instant divorce where a man just needs to say | :35:27. | :35:28. | |
"talaq" three times to his wife in order to divorce her. | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
Athar Ahmad has been investigating for us. | :35:32. | :35:40. | |
I mean, you get ?1,000 for sleeping with a woman in one night. | :35:41. | :35:48. | |
We can go to a hotel or something, and complete that thing. | :35:49. | :35:55. | |
I remember crying all day long, not eating. | :35:56. | :36:05. | |
Three words in a single text message changed her life forever. | :36:06. | :36:31. | |
After being introduced to a potential partner by a family | :36:32. | :36:33. | |
friend when she was in her 20s, she decided to get | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
A few months later the couple were married and planning | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
We have changed her name to protect her identity. | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
What was your relationship with your husband like | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
In the beginning we were struggling to get along with each | :36:46. | :36:53. | |
After my marriage, my in-laws decided I would have | :36:54. | :37:02. | |
So the first year was hard, considerably. | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
She had children with her husband soon after, | :37:07. | :37:08. | |
The first time he was abusive was over money. | :37:09. | :37:15. | |
My parents gave me a lump sum as a wedding present, | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
and he and his parents decided that they wanted it from me, | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
Well, on that occasion he dragged me by my hair through two rooms | :37:23. | :37:34. | |
and tried to throw me out of the house. | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
He has thrown things at me, pulled me by my hair, | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
Slamming me against the wall became so constant, it became a norm. | :37:42. | :37:57. | |
Her husband's behaviour, though, became increasingly unpredictable. | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
Talk me through what happened on the day he divorced you. | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
So I was at home with the children and he was at work, and during | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
a discussion he sent a text, "Talaq, talaq, talaq." | :38:08. | :38:09. | |
My dad said, "Your marriage is over, you cannot go back to him." | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
It's a little-known phrase, triple talaq. | :38:18. | :38:18. | |
If the man says that three times in a row, | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
some Muslims believe that means the marriage is finished, | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
It's banned in most Muslim countries, but still happens, | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
though it is impossible to know how many women are divorced | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
Men sometimes give a triple talaq during an argument or a fight, | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
like in this case, and then later regret it. | :38:39. | :38:48. | |
If you believe in it, it is possible you will also believe in halala. | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
A small minority think it is the only way a divorced couple | :38:53. | :38:54. | |
Halala meets the woman must marry someone else, | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
consummate the marriage and then get a divorce before she is able | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
But arranging a halala marriage is something the vast majority | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
Most imams and clerics said the practice is down to people | :39:08. | :39:16. | |
misunderstanding the laws around divorce and it has nothing to do | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
The Islamic Sharia Council regularly have women dropping in, | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
asking about the finer points of an Islamic divorce. | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
A triple talaq, is that something you accept at the Sharia Council? | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
No, we make it clear that it is not accepted. | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
A lot of people are under the impression the marriage is over, | :39:38. | :39:46. | |
It is harm, it is forbidden, there is no stronger word, | :39:47. | :39:56. | |
But she believes some Muslims have got the wrong idea about divorce, | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
If you are told by your parents, by your imam or your community | :40:03. | :40:11. | |
that the triple talaq is valid, there is no other option. | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
And you have been told the only way you can get back | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
together is through halala, they feel they have no choice. | :40:18. | :40:25. | |
But there are those who are exploiting women's desperation, | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
pushing out halala as a genuine solution, and now it | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
So I have come across a number of different Facebook pages which | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
Most say they will supply a man who is willing to marry a woman, | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
have sex with her and then give her a divorce so she can get | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
So this is from someone who says he is happy to come to the UK | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
and pay for his flights, accommodation and service fees. | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
This other one is asking for our address and how old we are. | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
We then find a UK-based halala service, which says it arranges | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
temporary marriages, and to message them | :41:02. | :41:03. | |
We get in touch with them over Facebook. | :41:04. | :41:14. | |
An undercover reporter posing as a divorced Muslim woman | :41:15. | :41:16. | |
who is looking to get back with her husband. | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
After weeks of talking over Facebook, we finally managed | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
to arrange a meeting and sent our undercover reporter | :41:22. | :41:23. | |
At this stage we have no idea who the person behind | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
It could be someone messing around online, or it could be someone | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
The man behind the account turns up, tells us he has been busy | :41:35. | :41:42. | |
He has a number of other men working with him, | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
all of whom carry out the halala service for a fee. | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
For you, I contacted three guys, in their 40s. | :41:50. | :42:01. | |
They will take 5,000, and they want to keep it | :42:02. | :42:08. | |
Do you have an idea of which mosque in the UK? | :42:09. | :42:25. | |
I will go and see the people, see a few imams, who will do it easily. | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
The man then offers to carry out the halala service himself, | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
claiming it would be cheaper and safer. | :42:35. | :42:35. | |
If you want to get it done in a hotel or something. | :42:36. | :42:55. | |
The imam's costs, the witnesses' costs, we have to pay | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
And for sex, if you want to enjoy it properly... | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
You can go to a hotel or something, complete that thing... | :43:03. | :43:17. | |
He brings up other women he has helped in the past and how much | :43:18. | :43:27. | |
they have paid to go through with the halala marriage. | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
One of them was in a hotel, but she also paid a lot. | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
Some women who go through a triple talaq become desperate | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
and will do anything to try to save their marriage, | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
including considering going through halala. | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
I remember crying all day long, not eating, even suicidal. | :43:51. | :43:58. | |
And even though he was abusive and divorced you over text, | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
you still wanted to get back together with him? | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
When I married him, I imagined forever. | :44:10. | :44:18. | |
My ex-husband was so desperate, we were both desperate | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
to get back together, we knew halala was the only option. | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
So I did a lot of research online in regards to the halala. | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
I started ringing around and through a couple of people | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
I found out that there are certain individuals, imams even, | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
I found it would cost between 500 to ?2,000. | :44:36. | :44:46. | |
I was so in love with him, I was willing to do anything | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
You were willing to marry a stranger, have sex | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
As awful as that sounds, yes, I was willing to do that. | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
Going through halala comes with its risks. | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
The man behind the Facebook account tells us he has had other | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
men working with him, one who refused to divorce a woman | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
After one month, I asked him to divorce. | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
He said, "No, I want to stay for six months." | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
I said, "No, she does not want to, you have to finish it." | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
How do I know you would do that to me? | :45:26. | :45:37. | |
It is a sham marriage, it is misunderstanding | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
the concept of talaq, and the other danger is that this | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
second husband decides, "I have married her now, | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
I have a legitimate marriage certificate, I am not | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
going to divorce her," so she may be stuck with a man that she does not | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
This is adultery, infidelity, prostitution. | :45:54. | :46:06. | |
Because halala is such a secretive issue, it is hard | :46:07. | :46:08. | |
it is, with women often scared their families will find out. | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
It can leave them open to blackmail, financial exploitation | :46:13. | :46:14. | |
You wouldn't really speak about these things | :46:15. | :46:26. | |
to your parents, your siblings, | :46:27. | :46:27. | |
anyone, because if even one person accidentally mentions it, | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
Do you have any idea about who was offering | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
I heard about certain mosques in the UK containing certain imams | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
who were offering their services for a certain amount of money. | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
So I knew of girls who had gone behind family's backs and had it | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
I heard of this one woman who paid for the service, | :46:46. | :46:57. | |
probably lied to her parents and said she was going away | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
went to the mosque - there was apparently | :47:01. | :47:07. | |
where they did this stuff, and had it done. | :47:08. | :47:16. | |
The imam or whoever offered these services slept | :47:17. | :47:25. | |
with her and allowed other men to sleep with her too. | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
It is a horrific experience for the woman to have to sleep | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
with someone she does not love or find someone because her husband | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
decided to say three words that should never have been said. | :47:37. | :47:54. | |
And it's not just ordinary men who are offering | :47:55. | :47:56. | |
This advert on Gumtree is from someone who claims to be | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
a mufti, a Muslim legal expert who gives rulings | :48:00. | :48:01. | |
He says he is offering a private and confidential service. | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
Once again, we pose as a woman who has gone through a divorce | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
He gets back within hours, saying he has helped women before | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
and he can arrange a temporary marriage, sex and then a divorce, | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
And sex is sold as being an important part of | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
He wraps up the meeting by saying he will start looking | :48:21. | :48:56. | |
into arrangements for the wedding, but does not want to put a limit | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
Or how many times our reporter would have to sleep with him. | :49:01. | :49:27. | |
There's nothing to suggest this man is doing anything illegal. | :49:28. | :49:30. | |
He rejects any allegations against him, claiming he has never | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
carried out or been involved in a halala marriage and he made | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
the Facebook account for fun as part of a social experiment. | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
He says he encouraged our reporter to tell other members of her family | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
about the situation and that he had no intention of taking | :49:46. | :49:48. | |
I wanted to see what the Islamic Sharia Council made of the footage. | :49:49. | :49:59. | |
This is the secret film we have recorded. | :50:00. | :50:01. | |
Having seen the footage, what did you make of that conversation? | :50:02. | :50:17. | |
Does it shock you to see someone offering to marry someone, | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
sleep with them and divorce them for thousands of pounds? | :50:21. | :50:31. | |
This is somebody's sister, daughter, that you are talking to. | :50:32. | :50:39. | |
The basic core values of Islam is where you are decent. | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
This is nasty, this is about making money, abusing vulnerable people. | :50:44. | :50:45. | |
What do you think about someone who claims to be able to find imams, | :50:46. | :50:52. | |
find mosques who are willing to carry out these halala marriages? | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
If it is true that these imams know the intention behind this, | :50:56. | :51:04. | |
that it is a halala marriage, then those imams need to be punished. | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
They are selling their faith, they are the worst possible | :51:08. | :51:09. | |
Farah eventually decided against getting back | :51:10. | :51:17. | |
of going through a halala marriage, but she warns there are other | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
women out there like her who are desperate for a solution. | :51:23. | :51:24. | |
It's an easy moneymaking scheme, ?1,000 to sleep | :51:25. | :51:26. | |
I realised my ex-husband wasn't going to change, | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
he very nearly killed me and if I had gone back, | :51:31. | :51:33. | |
Unless you are in that situation where you are divorced | :51:34. | :51:40. | |
and feeling the pain I felt, nobody will understand | :51:41. | :51:42. | |
Later in the programme we'll be talking to a charity | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
which helps women who've been through such attacks. | :51:48. | :51:49. | |
And you can find out more on the story on Asian Network | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
Coming up, Mel B gets a restraining order against her husband | :51:53. | :52:04. | |
Stephen Belafonte - alleging he beat her, | :52:05. | :52:13. | |
Next the situation in Syria - we're going to show you some | :52:14. | :52:20. | |
disturbing images which show the horror of the reality | :52:21. | :52:22. | |
of what is happening in the north west province of Idlib. | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
These images show children struggling to breathe | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
after a suspected chemical attack which has left 72 dead - | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
The UN Security Council will meet in an emergency | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
session this afternoon to discuss the attack. | :52:40. | :52:41. | |
The United States, Britain and France have proposed a UN | :52:42. | :52:43. | |
resolution condemning the attack, which they blame on the Syrian | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
In this morning that all evidence points to President Assad's forces | :52:47. | :52:57. | |
being behind this attack. Boris Johnson said this morning. | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
Hours after the initial attack, air strikes also hit a hospital | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
in the town where doctors were treating victims, | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
bringing down rubble on medics as they worked. | :53:09. | :53:19. | |
Let's get the latest now from Idlib province. | :53:20. | :53:28. | |
Abdul Aziz Ajini is the media officer at the opposition-run | :53:29. | :53:30. | |
Idlib Health Directorate, and Dr Abdulhay Tennari, | :53:31. | :53:32. | |
a lung doctor who treated the injured from a field hospital | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
And in Paris, Ole Solvang is a Director | :53:36. | :53:38. | |
He has been investigating the attack to get to the bottom | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
of what actually killed the 72 people on Tuesday. | :53:43. | :53:57. | |
Dr Abdulhay Tennari, you are a lung doctor and treated some | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
of the affected in Idlib province, can you walk us | :54:01. | :54:02. | |
Yesterday at 6am, I was south of Idlib. Many people died immediately | :54:03. | :54:19. | |
and around 500 people immediately became sick. The Syrian defence | :54:20. | :54:26. | |
started to evacuate them. To secure them. So there were different cases, | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
depending on the amount of gas they had inhaled, and where the rocket | :54:33. | :54:40. | |
exploded. I saw many children sick and many children who had died. 20 | :54:41. | :54:46. | |
children died approximately and 21 women. The rest were men. They were | :54:47. | :54:55. | |
suffering from difficulties breathing, and they had specific | :54:56. | :55:04. | |
signs, which was a constricted breathing. When we see the signs, it | :55:05. | :55:14. | |
is serious. It is similar with the signs of sarin gas, nerve agent that | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
produces severe secretions in the lungs. The patient suffocates | :55:20. | :55:26. | |
because they are respiratory system is full of secretions. So we started | :55:27. | :55:35. | |
to treat them based on these symptoms and we tried to find the | :55:36. | :55:43. | |
antidote. After giving the antidote, there was a very good response, | :55:44. | :55:46. | |
which made us think it was definitely sarin gas. | :55:47. | :55:55. | |
Abdul Aziz Ajini is the media officer at the opposition-run | :55:56. | :55:57. | |
Is it clear to you that this was sarin gas? Well, when we first got | :55:58. | :56:12. | |
information about the suspected chemical attack, we went to | :56:13. | :56:19. | |
hospitals and met doctors there and had some photos and videos of people | :56:20. | :56:26. | |
being carried out. And they told us that this was something new, it was | :56:27. | :56:33. | |
not like previous chlorine attacks. In terms of the symptoms and the | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
respiratory systems, in terms of the nerve systems, there was much | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
difference between the syndrome is of quarrying and maybe other | :56:44. | :56:52. | |
poisonous gases. -- the symptoms of chlorine. That is why we started | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
thinking about other agents like sarin gas or organic phosphorus. | :56:57. | :57:17. | |
Ole Solvang, who do you think is behind this and why? There is no | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
doubt that hundreds of people were exposed to these conditions. The | :57:23. | :57:30. | |
deadliness of the exposure is more deadly than we have seen with other | :57:31. | :57:38. | |
chlorine gas attacks. Some of the pupils of the victims pointed | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
towards a nerve agent like sarin gas. It is impossible to conclude | :57:42. | :57:49. | |
for sure exactly what chemical was used without laboratory tests of the | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
soil or of the victims. But we do not that these people were exposed | :57:57. | :57:58. | |
to some sort of chemical. The other thing that we do now is that the | :57:59. | :58:04. | |
Syrian government forces were conducting attacks in this area at | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
the time, when these people were exposed. What we are trying to | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
figure out and to conclude is what is the relationship between these | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
warplanes and the exposure. There are two main theories. One is that | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
the Syrian government warplanes dropped the chemicals, which then | :58:25. | :58:32. | |
exposed the people. The other theory is that a bomb hit chemicals on the | :58:33. | :58:38. | |
ground and affected lot of people that way. No matter which one of | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
these theories is the right one, what is clear is that chemical | :58:43. | :58:49. | |
attacks in Syria continue and the government continues conducting | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
them. Human Rights Watch has documented numerous chemical attacks | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
by the government and the problem is really that the Security Council has | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
failed to really impose any sort of consequences for that. In February, | :59:04. | :59:06. | |
Russia and China vetoed a resolution imposing sanctions on the government | :59:07. | :59:13. | |
for chemical attacks and it seems obvious that combatants, forces on | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
the ground had taken those vetoes as a green light to continue carrying | :59:18. | :59:26. | |
out chemical attacks. Gentlemen, thank you for your time. The UN | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
Security Council meeting today, of course, and we will see what comes | :59:30. | :59:32. | |
out of that if anything. We appreciate your time. In a couple of | :59:33. | :59:38. | |
minutes, the latest news and sport and a full weather forecast. Let's | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
have a quick look. Also, senior Labour figures criticise the party | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
for not expelling Ken Livingstone over his claims that Hitler | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
supported Zionism. Time for the latest weather. | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
This morning, there has been a chilly start to the day for some | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
parts of England and Wales. The temperatures are picking up nicely. | :00:00. | :00:04. | |
For most of us, the forecast is mainly dry. What is happening, we | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
have high pressure firmly in charge of our weather. The wind across the | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
far north of Scotland and the Northern Isles is tending to ease. | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
After a sunny start, we will notice more cloud moving in from the North | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
West. Most of us will miss these. Equally, we will see some cloud and | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
sunny spells. Starting the forecast for this afternoon in the north of | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
England, you can see the extent of the cloud. In the north-east, there | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
will be some sunshine. Equally, in Scotland there will be some sunshine | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
but towards the west at times, there will be a bit more cloud and some | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
showers. Some showers already for Northern Ireland. A few remaining | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
across the coast. Any sunshine will be limited. Quite a cloudy | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
afternoon. For Wales the cloud will continue to build. South Wales | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
seeing sunshine and in Cardiff, we could see 17 Celsius today. South | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
west England also seeing sunshine. But as we move towards the Midlands, | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
heading into East Anglia, there will be more cloud for Southern counties. | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
Again, we will hang onto that sunshine. Temperature wise, 11-17 | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
generally, particularly if you are away from the cloud. Cardiff, maybe | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
slightly more, 16, the same across certain parts of England and | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
Scotland. Edinburgh may reach 15 as we go through the afternoon. It will | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
be a cold night with a touch of frost and high pressure still firmly | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
in charge during Thursday and Friday. Largely dry with sunny | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
spells and variable cloud. Heading into the weekend, that is when the | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
high pressure really comes in across our shores. Settled conditions | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
except for the north-west where it will be breezy. The weather front | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
will see a bit more cloud around. And also, splashes of rain. One last | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
thing I want to show you is the temperature. Somewhere across | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
central, Eastern or southern England, it could hit 23 but under | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
the influence of the weather front, in the north-west and will be a | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
fresher 13. This is adultery, | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
infidelity, prostitution. Hello. | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
It's Wednesday. Our top story today - many dead - | :02:12. | :02:12. | |
20 of them children in a suspected As the EU and UN meet today | :02:13. | :02:22. | |
to discuss what can be done, A doctor tells us what he saw. I saw | :02:23. | :02:38. | |
many children and many children died and 21 women and the remaining are | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
men. In an exclusive interview | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
we heard from a mother whose violent and abusive former | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
partner has been subject to the first ever court order | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
forcing him to tell authorities She says she thinks it will help | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
and urges women in a similar relationship to find the strength | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
to walk away. You can lose a lot. You can lose | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
your children. You can lose your life. You can lose yourself. Even | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
the smile on your face. So many of you respond to go that | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
interview. This texter says, "What an amazing, clear and inspiring | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
message today. Please make sure you pass on our huge gratitude for her | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
speaking out." Church leaders and politicians | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
from all sides say they are planning to fight Government cuts to support | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
for bereaved parents. It follow our interview with, "Alan | :03:32. | :03:44. | |
"A terminally-ill fatheried. At this point you're contemplating death and | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
you want to go out of this world with dignity, with some grace, with | :03:50. | :04:00. | |
some peace of mind. Not full of financial anxiety and feeling as if | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
the Government has just taken money away from you. | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
The new system of support comes into force at midnight tonight. | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
We will under speaking to some politicians who are vowing to fight | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
them. Joanna is in the BBC | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
Newsroom with a summary The UN Security Council | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
is to hold emergency talks following a suspected chemical | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
attack in Syria which has left at least 72 people dead including | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
a number of children. The Assad regime denies | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
using chemical weapons. Syria's ally, Russia, has blamed | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
the poisoning on the rebels - accusing them of storing toxic | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
agents in a factory which was hit The Foreign Secretary, | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
Boris Johnson, says all evidence points to Assad forces | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
being behind the attack. I have seen absolutely | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
nothing to suggest or, rather, to lead us to think | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
that it is anything but the regime. All the evidence I have, | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
and there may be more All the evidence I have | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
seen suggests that this was the Assad regime | :04:58. | :05:11. | |
who did it in the full knowledge that they were using illegal weapons | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
in a barbaric attack I would like to see those culpable | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
pay a price for this. A woman whose former | :05:17. | :05:24. | |
partner has been convicted of domestic violence offences | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
and has been ordered to inform police about every | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
new relationship he enters into, hopes that the court order | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
will help future victims. Under the seven-year | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
Criminal Behaviour Order, Kylle Godfrey must inform police | :05:39. | :05:39. | |
if he is in a relationship Scotland Yard says it's the first | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
time that a court order has been used to protect victims | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
of domestic abuse. A child has suffered | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
serious injuries The attack happened in Chatham | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
yesterday afternoon. Two people have been arrested over | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
the incident and the dog The European Parliament will vote | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
later today on a resolution laying out the terms it believes the EU | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
must demand during It says the UK must honour | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
its financial liabilities and abide by EU standards if it wants | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
to maintain a close trading The EU's chief Brexit negotiator | :06:14. | :06:22. | |
issued a warning to the UK over its approach to leaving the European | :06:23. | :06:23. | |
Union. The UK letter makes clear that the | :06:24. | :06:32. | |
UK Government will push for negotiations and the withdrawal and | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
the future relations. This is a very risky approach. | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
To succeed we need on the contrary to devolve the first phase of the | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
negotiations exclusively to reachen agreement and the principles of the | :06:50. | :06:50. | |
exit. That's a summary of | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
the latest BBC News. Thank you for your comments about | :06:55. | :07:06. | |
the interview. Emily says, "I would like to say thanks to Sharia. I'm in | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
a controlling relationship and married with two kids. It isn't | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
violent, but I found myself getting depressed in this relationship. I | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
tried to end the relationship, but he always says he will do better. | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
Because I don't want our children to lose their father I keep trying, but | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
I'm at the point where I don't know what is the truth anymore because he | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
tells me that I'm the manipulative one and he is the victim. I'm | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
looking for solutions and seeking help. This interview made me more | :07:36. | :07:44. | |
determined. " Please contact Actionline and they can point you in | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
the right direction. Lin is a on e-mail, "What a brave | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
young woman. Having never been in a vicious violent relationship it is | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
heartbreaking to listen to the years of torment three went through. She | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
is young and so very wise. Let's hope her life has turned around for | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
good." Gayle says, "I feel compelled to comment. It was the most soulful | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
and honest and brave dialogue on the personal subject of domestic abuse. | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
I hope she feels free to enjoy her life and children as she is entitled | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
to and I hope she doesn't feel alone and estranged in this country." | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
This person doesn't leave their name. "Just been listening to that | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
lovely lady talking about domestic. I was crying along with her. I was a | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
victim a long time ago and I know how difficult it is to escape. I | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
would like to say thank you to her, she has probably given courage to | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
women today." "I am a man who was subject to domestic violence from my | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
ex-wife, but being a man, I wasn't ever able to get support." | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
As I say, whether you're male for female go to Actionline and they | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
will be able to give you advice on domestic abuse and violence. If you | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
want to read more about this story and it is clear you do, then go to | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
the BBC News website and you'll find more details there. | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho continued his | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
United rescued a point against Everton to extend their unbeaten run | :09:11. | :09:20. | |
But half of those have been draws, and fourth place now looks | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
Everton took the lead in the first half. | :09:25. | :09:32. | |
Defender Phil Jagielka with the deft touch of a striker. | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
It was Manchester United's Mr Reliable, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
who equalised with a penalty, in the 94th minute. | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
Here's Mourinho after the match, on substitute Shaw. | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
For me his performance was good, but the performance was good because he | :09:47. | :09:58. | |
was on my side and I was thinking for him. If he is on the other side, | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
it wouldn't be the same. That's not possible at this level. He has to | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
grow up. He has to mature and understand the game betterment he | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
has to be more focussed. The chairman of the English Football | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
Association Greg Clarke has reportedly commented on Sunderland | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
manager David Moyes, over his Clarke's been quoted as saying, | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
"it was regrettable, it was distasteful and showed | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
a complete lack of respect". Yesterday Sunderland | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
publicly backed Moyes, but on the field his side | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
are still struggling. They lost 2-0 at Leicester last | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
night and remain rooted to the foot Olympic showjumping champion | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
Nick Skelton has announced his Skelton, who is 59, won Gold | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
at the Rio Games last summer Four years earlier at London 2012, | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
he helped Great Britain In a statement Skelton said | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
the sport has given him more than he could have hoped for over | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
the past 43 years. All the best to Nick in his | :10:57. | :11:05. | |
retirement. That's all the sport for now, I will have the headlines at | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
10.30am. At midnight tonight, | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
cuts are coming in which will leave some bereaved spouses | :11:14. | :11:15. | |
and children worse off. Since we interviewed "Alan" | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
on our programme yesterday, a father of two with incurable | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
cancer who has weeks to live. Church leaders and politicians have | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
united to say they are going to fight the Government's cuts | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
to support for bereaved parents. If "Alan", which isn't his real | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
name, died today, he's calculated his wife and children | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
would receive up to ?60,000 If he dies on Thursday, | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
when Government reforms to these benefits come in, | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
he says his family On our programme yesterday | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
"Alan" described the cuts The Government says it's modernising | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
an outdated system while increasing the initial lump sum for bereaved | :11:50. | :11:57. | |
spouses, and anyone on the payments Listening to Alan's story | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
was a Conservative former Work and Pensions Minister who described | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
the cuts as "unfair", "wrong" and "callous" and promised | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
she would take action. Here's what Alan had | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
to say yesterday. I was shocked that the system | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
of benefits that has been in place, as I understand, for 70 years, | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
since 1946, although it's been renamed, the essence of this support | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
is that when somebody is widowed, there is financial support available | :12:29. | :12:39. | |
for young children up And the fact that that's | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
being taken away seems I'm going to explain | :12:43. | :12:51. | |
to our audience on your behalf, if it's all right, Alan, | :12:52. | :13:00. | |
that the reason that it's difficult for you to talk | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
is because you have cancer which, as I understand it, started | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
in your tonsils before spreading And last December, you were given | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
between one and five months to live. And it essentially means, therefore, | :13:10. | :13:18. | |
that if I were to have died, or still do, in the next couple | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
of days, my family would benefit What conversations have you had | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
with your family about this? I've explained | :13:32. | :13:48. | |
the situation to them. I've said in some ways that it | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
wouldn't be a bad thing if they lost me a couple of days | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
early, because at least there would Of course, even talking in those | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
terms is very, very upsetting. And how do they react | :14:03. | :14:14. | |
when you say that? Well, they're very shocked | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
that the government which, as far as we all understand, | :14:20. | :14:30. | |
talks a good story about being caring and compassionate, | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
but in actual fact has deemed arbitrarily that the period | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
of bereavement, which for 70 years has been set by the government | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
as children up to the age of 19 or 20, suddenly, | :14:44. | :14:51. | |
the whole process of bereavement is no different, for some unknown | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
and unexplained reason. And Theresa May, even yesterday, | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
supported the theory, no support for it whatsoever, | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
that you can acceptably We have all had people, | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
known people, who have had losses. And the losses, and the pain | :15:13. | :15:23. | |
and the anguish, don't suddenly turn So it was perhaps one of the most | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
naive things someone At this point in one's life, | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
you're contemplating death. And you want to go out of this world | :15:36. | :15:46. | |
with some dignity, with some grace, Not full of financial anxiety, | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
feeling as if the government has just taken money away from you that | :15:50. | :15:58. | |
you had earned legitimately. So I would call upon the Lords, | :15:59. | :16:09. | |
the second chamber, to step up now, and call the government to account, | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
because I think they can and should mount a cross-party initiative | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
to stop this terrible situation. I commit to you to try to speak | :16:17. | :16:30. | |
to the other parties across the House, to see if there's | :16:31. | :16:41. | |
anything we can do to extend the period of support | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
for widowed parents, because I'm really upset by the way | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
in which this is being done, Because it is about saving money, | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
and it is about giving more money to parents who are widowed - | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
partners who are widowed, And it is not recognising | :17:01. | :17:02. | |
the devastation that it can cause So I will have discussions | :17:03. | :17:11. | |
with members across the House of Lords in all parties, | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
and see if there is anything we can do to encourage the government | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
to extend the support for parents. Since that interview Baroness Altman | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
has pledged to raise the issue in the House of Lords in an urgent | :17:24. | :17:36. | |
question tomorrow - where a minister is expected | :17:37. | :17:38. | |
to have to respond. We can now speak to Baroness Hollis, | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
the Labour politician who oversaw the introduction of the current | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
bereavement support This was just a year | :17:44. | :17:45. | |
after losing her own husband. She was a Department for Work | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
and Pensions minister Also Dr Alan Smith, | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
the Bishop of St Albans, who wants the government | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
to think again. And finally Lord German, | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
a Lib Dem member of the House of Lords who is working with other | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
party's to reverse the changes. to say to our audience, Baroness | :18:03. | :18:11. | |
Hollis, you are frustrated listening to some of that because you were | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
saying that it is too late. -- I have to say to our audience. It is | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
too late because it is now law. We have had instruments supported in | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
the House of Lords in February, and it has gone through the Commons and | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
takes effect tomorrow. It is too late. Were able to put a pause | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
button on tax credits 18 months ago because it had not become law but | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
this now has become law. The only way forward, it will not happen in | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
the House of Lords because Brexit will take the oxygen out of primary | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
legislation, which would be the normal way that the House of Lords | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
would have a change of mind. I would urge people, bereaved parents and | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
their families, they should go through to their MPs, especially if | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
they have a Conservative MP, because the Secretary of State is a good man | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
and I'm sure he's the one who could mitigate this is possible. Those | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
changes have to come down the other edifices of financial measures. Lord | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
German, you can do nothing according to Baroness Hollis? We are in a | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
position now where the revelations have been made but that does not | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
mean that we should not try to get the government to change its mind. | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
And to build of steam on this matter, it is important that people | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
from all sides of the house joined together to work together and try to | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
mitigate what is both cruel and harsh, and I would like to see a | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
change. I want to see the government changed its mind but the only way we | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
can achieve that is by making sure that sufficient pressure is put on | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
the government, that they see this cause publicly and in Parliament in | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
a way which will make them change their mind. And if there was enough | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
pressure and Damian Green, the Work and Pensions Secretary, listens, | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
despite the fact that it is law, he could extend it from 18 months to | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
five years? He could introduce new legislation. The thing about | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
regulations, it is a fix which can be put in place for a period of | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
time. The government can alter them. They can put in changes to make them | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
happen. He could come back next year with new regulations extending it to | :20:14. | :20:22. | |
three years or seven for the sheltered, to mitigate the pressure | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
and give bereaved parents time in which to come to terms with their | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
family's situation and their finances. But the point I want to | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
make is that it makes me really angry, because it is not only | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
indecent, it is also unnecessary. 75% of bereaved parents are going to | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
be worse off as a result of George Osborne's cuts, yet two thirds, well | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
over half will go back into work within 18 months. You do not need to | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
whip them. But the ones who are not ready to go back to work and who | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
will be hurt, they are to Matt Crooks, those with young children | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
who are badly distressed, having nightmares, bedwetting, not wanting | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
to go to school, and the mother feels she needs to be around to | :21:12. | :21:19. | |
attend to them. To avoid mental health issues later, you need to | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
give them extra care. And the government is saying you cannot have | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
it. If it is so important to you as a Labour peer, why did your own | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
leader not bother to turn up to vote against this in March? Jeremy | :21:31. | :21:38. | |
Corbyn? Yes. I don't know. You must have an opinion about that? I don't | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
know what he was doing. I cannot be accountable to him. But you are his | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
Labour colleagues. I am responsible for policy development in the Lords, | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
and in the Lords, we have been putting in some of these delays and | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
changes. The crucial thing is how that we now get mitigation and | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
changes, and that is to put pressure on Damian Green through Tory | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
backbenchers down the other end, to introduce new regulations. Every | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
family of every bereaved parent should now be putting pressure on | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
Conservative MPs. Let's bring in doctor Alan Smith. Thank you for | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
talking to us. The Bishop of St Albans. You know what the government | :22:18. | :22:25. | |
is arguing? It says that we are updating a really old-fashioned | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
system which is decades old. We are focusing the most financial support | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
in the immediate period of bereavements, and increased lump sum | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
and payments, tax-free, for the first 18 months. Patently right. And | :22:43. | :22:50. | |
of course it is to be welcomed, the lump sum slightly increasing. But | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
whilst the system may be opened, what has not changed is all the | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
research and all our knowledge on what happens when people are | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
bereaved, that children very often need extra time, extra support. And | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
of course if money is not available, it is much more likely that the | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
remaining parent is going to have to go back to work to increase their | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
hours much earlier. They will not be able to give the time and attention | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
to the young children. And this is a crucial thing about investing for | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
them. As we have heard, after bereavement children are very often | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
in a terrible state and need much more support. It is going to be very | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
important that we mobilise people at every level to start talking to | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
members of Parliament about this change, which must be mitigated in | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
some way. And do you believe that general taxpayers will think that | :23:41. | :23:48. | |
this is their to provide support for a longer period of time than 18 | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
months? I think the crucial issue is trauma that children go through when | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
they lose a parent. It is not just short-term. It can emerge later in | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
life, it can emerge in teenage life, and really it is a very difficult | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
time. You have to provide that support. I think if you asked the | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
public, do you think we should provide support in order to mitigate | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
the trauma that these children are going to have, I am pretty sure that | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
they would say yes. And in fact, the extension, through school life, of | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
support, is not actually a huge amount of money in the big scale of | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
things. And I think it is something that people will say is the right | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
thing to do. It is up to us to build up this head of steam across our | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
house and the public, in order to get the public to change their mind. | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
I said in the introduction that you lost your husband one year before | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
you saw the bereavement payments coming in. You experienced grief. Do | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
you still experience that now? Of course. But my sons were grown up. | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
But it is not about me. My situation was relatively supported at the time | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
under the old system. The problem now is that lone parents are being | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
whipped into work as a result of these benefits and cuts, when some | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
of them, particularly as Michael was saying, with very desperate, | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
distressed, needy children, that deeply, deeply need their parents | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
with them. And the government is whipping them into work and treating | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
them as though they do not know what is best for their family and that is | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
indecent and wrong and unnecessary. They can get back to work as soon as | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
they are ready but they are ready when their children are stronger and | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
more able to face the crisis that they have experienced. Thank you all | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
very much. Obviously, we will continue to report on this and see | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
what happens next. Of course we asked with an interview with anybody | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
from the Department of Work and Pensions and they said no. But they | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
stressed in a statement that the new system is simpler, tax-free, easier | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
to understand and does not affect other benefits so families can | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
access wider welfare support. People managing on low income at the end of | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
their bereavement benefit claim could receive means tested benefits. | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
We will bring you more on this tomorrow when the changes come in. | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
Thank you very much to Baroness Hollis, Lord German, and doctor Alan | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
Smith, the Bishop of St Albans. Today marks two weeks since the | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
terror attack in Westminster which saw four people killed and at least | :26:36. | :26:36. | |
50 injured. At 2.40pm, attacker Khalid Masood | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
drove a car over Westminster Bridge, ploughing into pedestrians | :26:40. | :26:48. | |
at more than 70mph. Armed with a knife, he then ran | :26:49. | :26:50. | |
towards Parliament and stabbed to death policeman PC Keith Palmer, | :26:51. | :26:52. | |
before being shot dead. The attack lasted only 82 seconds, | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
but changed lives forever. This afternoon, relatives | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
of the victims will gather in Westminster Abbey for a service | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
of hope - alongside survivors, witnesses and members of the police, | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
fire, ambulance services Prince Harry and the Duke | :27:08. | :27:09. | |
and Duchess of Cambridge Here's a reminder of | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
what happened that day. We have details of a potentially | :27:15. | :27:28. | |
serious incident coming to us from various news agencies, of two people | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
shot outside of the Westminster Parliament. The building is | :27:32. | :27:39. | |
apparently in lockdown. Go, go, go! Gets to cover now! Police are | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
currently evacuating the streets outside Parliament. After reports | :27:46. | :27:54. | |
that someone has been shot. There was blood everywhere. People have | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
been shot or stabbed all over the place. I am now going to suspend the | :28:00. | :28:08. | |
sitting of the house. This house is now suspended but please wait here. | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
We heard gunshots, what we thought were gunshots. We turned around and | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
we saw the car had ploughed into a lady. I think it was a lady, I am | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
not 100% sure but she was underneath the wheel and I could hear screams. | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
On the other side of the road of was a body and when I looked further up | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
the was another body. When I looked over the side of the bridge, there | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
appeared to be a body in the water as well. There were bodies | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
literally... Ten, lying in different places. They had been shot. We | :28:43. | :28:49. | |
declared this as a terrorist incident and the counterterrorism | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
command is carrying out a full-scale investigation into the events today. | :28:52. | :29:15. | |
We will all move forward together. Never giving in to terror. And never | :29:16. | :29:25. | |
allowing the voices of hate and evil to drive us apart. | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
We can now speak exclusively to John-Joe Flynn - | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
a student from Edge Hill University in Lancashire who was visiting | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
the Houses of Parliament when the attack happened. | :29:35. | :29:36. | |
Two of his friends were badly injured. | :29:37. | :29:37. | |
This is his first interview since the attack. | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
Good morning. Thank you for talking to us. As a group of politics | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
students, some of you went to Westminster, some went to the | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
bridge, and you chose to go to Westminster. When were you aware of | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
what had happened? Basically we were just leaving the Palace of | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
Westminster and we had previously been up to Westminster Bridge the | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
night before, so we decided to go and see Westminster Abbey. When the | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
attack unfolded we were walking away from the Palace of Westminster. And | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
when were you aware that something had gone wrong? It was when the | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
shots were fired. We turned around because we had our backs to the | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
Palace of Westminster. And then it was within minutes, the police were | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
rushing in, with fans, and we were being told to move out, get back. | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
When did it become clear that two of your friends had been injured on the | :30:37. | :30:42. | |
bridge? We were standing over by the abbey at this stage behind the | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
police cordons and I received a message on social media from Travis, | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
one of the people injured, saying that he was hurt. I then tried to | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
ring him. It was only on for a few seconds and cut off. After that, we | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
couldn't get in contact with him, but on social media we saw a photo | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
of him posted by a journalist, him and another classmate lying on | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
Westminster Bridge. How are they both now? Good. I will see Travis | :31:14. | :31:21. | |
later on at the Service of Hope and I saw Owen on Friday in our politics | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
lecture. What injuries did they sustain? Owen had a head injury and | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
Travis, I believe, it was a wrist and his leg. I'm guessing, I don't | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
know, most of you are still in shock though? Yes. But the university have | :31:36. | :31:43. | |
been so supportive. Offering different services, even | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
the lectures just speaking to us personally, but yes, everyone is | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
still quite shocked and I think it has brought us together though as a | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
group because we've come through something like this, but yes, it is | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
still, it is deeply shocking. Are you able to rationalise what | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
happened or not? It just all happened so fast. I had taken a | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
photo outside the Palace of Westminster and a few minutes later | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
the next photo on my phone was us behind police cordons. It was just, | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
it was mayhem. We were just, we didn't know what was happening. We | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
were separated. Half of our group were on the bridge. Half of of us we | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
were outside the palace of wem and our lecturer was inside, so it was | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
just the kind of confusion, we're not from London. I personally am | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
from Northern Irelandmed we don't know the area. So it was basically | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
that and trying to get in contact as it was breaking news with our | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
families just to say we were all right, but we didn't know what was | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
happening. Why is it important for you to be at | :33:02. | :33:09. | |
the service of hope today? I think it's important just, just to mark | :33:10. | :33:19. | |
the event as we saw it unfold and it is basically everyone coming out the | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
other side sticking together and looking forward and learning from | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
this kind of thing. What do you think we can learn? I | :33:28. | :33:37. | |
think we can just kind of just to lick stick together. It was, I | :33:38. | :33:44. | |
noticed even after the attack we went to a cafe and it was the kind | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
of comradery of the Londoners, people have this vision of | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
Londoners, but everyone was so welcoming. I had to charge my phone. | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
Someone offered the socket, a simple act like that because I wanted to | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
keep in contact with my parents. It's learning from that and actually | :34:03. | :34:09. | |
saying thank you to the people for being so welcoming because it was | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
utter confusion for us. Thank you very much John-Joe. | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
John-Joe Flynn. The Service of Hope attended | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
by The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge is live from Westminster Abbey | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
on BBC One this morning at 11.30am. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
with a summary of today's news. The UN Security Council | :34:31. | :34:32. | |
is to hold emergency talks following a suspected chemical | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
attack in Syria which has left at least 72 people dead | :34:37. | :34:38. | |
including children. The Assad regime denies | :34:39. | :34:40. | |
using chemical weapons. Syria's ally Russia | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
has blamed the rebels, accusing them of storing toxic | :34:44. | :34:45. | |
agents in a factory which was hit The Foreign Secretary, | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
Boris Johnson, says all evidence points to Assad forces | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
being behind the attack. I have seen absolutely nothing to | :34:52. | :35:07. | |
suggest that or rather to lead us to think that it is anything, but the | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
regime and all the evidence I have and there maybe more to come out of | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
this by the way, all the evidence I have seen | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
REPORTER: Such as? There maybe more to come out. | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
REPORTER: What have you seen? All the evidence I have seen suggests | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
that this was the Assad regime who did it in the full knowledge that | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
they were using illegal weapons in a barbaric attack on their own people. | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
A woman whose former partner has been convicted | :35:38. | :35:39. | |
of domestic violence offences, and has been ordered | :35:40. | :35:41. | |
to inform police about every new relationship he enters into, | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
hopes that the court order will help future victims. | :35:45. | :35:46. | |
Kylle Godfrey must inform police if he is in a relationship | :35:47. | :35:48. | |
Scotland Yard says it's the first time that a court order has been | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
used to protect victims of domestic abuse. | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
There have been sharp exchanges in the European parliament over | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
Britain's exit from the EU, before a non-binding vote | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
The EU's lead negotiator Michel Barnier, said Britain's | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
demand for parallel talks on withdrawal and a new | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
The Ukip MEP Nigel Farage, who led the Brexit campaign, | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
was reprimanded after accusing the Parliament of treating Britain | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC | :36:20. | :36:30. | |
Manchester United left it late to earn a draw in last night's | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
Premier League match at home to Everton. | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
The visitors scored in the first half, | :36:40. | :36:41. | |
but Zlatan Ibrahimovic scored a 94th minute penalty. | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
United are now unbeaten in 20 games but have drawn nine | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
The Football Association chairman Greg Clarke has reportedly described | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
David Moyes' comments to a BBC reporter as "regrettable" | :36:53. | :36:54. | |
Sunderland remain bottom of the Premier League table | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
after a 2-0 loss last night to a resurgent Leicester. | :37:01. | :37:08. | |
And British Olympic showjumping champion Nick Skelton has | :37:09. | :37:10. | |
announced his retirement from the sport. | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
Skelton won Gold at the Rio Games last summer on his horse Big Star. | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
Next the situation in Syria - we're going to show you some | :37:18. | :37:27. | |
disturbing images - which show the horror of what has | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
happened in the north-west province of Idlib. | :37:31. | :37:31. | |
These pictures of children struggling for breath are almost | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
They've been stripped of their clothes - | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
contaminated by whatever chemical was released in the attack | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
at least 72 people died, 20 of them children. | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
The UN Security Council will meet in emergency session today | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
to discuss yesterday's suspected chemical attack in the province | :37:55. | :37:56. | |
The United States, Britain and France have proposed | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
a resolution condemning the attack which the international | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
community has blamed on the Syrian President, | :38:04. | :38:05. | |
This next film contains graphic and distressing images of children | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
We have had serious gas attacks today. | :38:10. | :38:50. | |
These patients have got clear signs of a phosphate chemical attack. | :38:51. | :39:10. | |
The patients keep flooding in from this chemical attack. | :39:11. | :39:20. | |
All the world is watching us, they are supporting Assad. | :39:21. | :41:16. | |
We condemn the use of chemical weapons in all circumstances. | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
More coverage on this throughout the day. Lyse Doucet will be reporting | :41:22. | :41:40. | |
later on. Dozens of Labour Mps have openly | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
criticised the party's decision to only suspend Ken Livingstone | :41:45. | :41:46. | |
for another 12 months An independent panel issued | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
the former London Mayor with a two-year suspension | :41:50. | :41:51. | |
from standing for office or representing the party at any | :41:52. | :41:53. | |
level for two years. He has already served one | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
year of that suspension The suspension is over these | :41:57. | :41:58. | |
comments he made linking This is what Mr Livingston actually | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
said on BBC Radio London last September while defending | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
a colleague against Let's remember when Hitler won his | :42:06. | :42:15. | |
election in 1932 his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six | :42:22. | :42:23. | |
million Jews. He then attempted to defend them | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
on this programme the next day while he was being interviewed | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
about the Labour MP Keith Vaz. There are of dozen and dozens of | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
books by academics looking at the fact that Hitler signed a deal and | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
worked with the Zionist movement throughout the 1930s, I have not | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
even criticised that. The Zionist movement had to deal with the fact | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
that Hitler was running Germany and if they were going to try and save | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
Jews they had to do a deal with him. Are you not bothered by hurting | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
Jewish people by repeating your views? I said at the time if anybody | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
has been offended by what I said, I am truly sorry about that, but I | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
have been struck by the number of people who came up to me on the | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
street saying, "I'm Jewish. I know what you are said is True. Don't | :43:12. | :43:13. | |
give into the bullying." The Chief Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
has accused Labour of failing the Jewish community by not | :43:18. | :43:19. | |
expelling Ken Livingstone Ellie Price has been monitoring | :43:20. | :43:21. | |
reaction at Westminster. In the last few minutes, deputy | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
leader Tom Watson has spoken out. That's right. Plenty of reaction. We | :43:26. | :43:36. | |
have had statement from the deputy leader Tom Watson who says I find it | :43:37. | :43:43. | |
incomprehensible that elected members found Ken Livingstone guilty | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
and then concluded that he could remain a member of the Labour Party. | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
He goes on, "I am ashamed that we have allowed Ken Livingstone to | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
cause such distress. This shames us all and I'm deeply saddened by T my | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
party is not living up to its commitment to have zero tolerance | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
approach to anti-semitism, I will continue to fight to ensure that it | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
does. And I will press my colleagues to do so." There has been plenty | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
reaction too from some of his Parliamentary colleagues on Twitter. | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
Overnight we have heard from Yvette Cooper who said it is not enough to | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
say the words zero tolerance on anti-semitism, Labour has not put | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
them into practise, a shameful decision. Lucy Powell agreed she | :44:27. | :44:35. | |
agreed with her colleague. She said, "An appalling decision. Why is | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
anti-semitism being treated differently from any form of | :44:39. | :44:48. | |
racism?" John Woodcock said, "Labour members do we stand for decency | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
against this or are we part of the decay?" And Anna Turlye, "The Ken | :44:54. | :45:06. | |
ban shows that Labour can look at itself in more difficult times, | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
however painful." She expected more of a strong reaction than that. It | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
is worth saying there are some supporters of Ken Livingstone even | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
in the Jewish community who say it is an issue of freedom of speech and | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
last night he said that he stood by his comments and he said that the | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
hearing had been something out of North Korea. Again, last night, he | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
was back on the airwaves. If he said he was a Zionist, who | :45:31. | :45:40. | |
would not have just apologised, I would have asked my doctor if it was | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
the first sign of dementia. He did a deal with Zionists, and I did not | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
criticise the deal because 66,000 Germans moved to Palestine and if | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
they have not, they would have died in the gas chambers. Launching | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
Labour's local election campaign today, we are talking about Ken's | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
bizarre fascination with the 1930s. It is damaging the Labour Party's | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
reputation. Ken has form, go and read back to his second term as | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
mayor of London, whether it was suggesting dues were not voting | :46:15. | :46:17. | |
Labour any more because they had become wealthy and has formed when | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
it comes to making ill considered and incendiary remarks that offends | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
the Jewish community. Ten years after finishing as Mayor of London, | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
his name comes up on the doorstep in my constituency because he brings | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
the Labour Party into disrepute. He undermines our claims. Why did you | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
ask me to come and campaign for you in the general election then? We | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
were walking around your constituency together. He did not | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
come anywhere near my constituency during the election and you would | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
never be welcome. No words so far from Jeremy Corbyn. Although he has | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
always said that the Labour Party stands against all forms of | :46:56. | :46:56. | |
anti-Semitism. A joint investigation by this | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
programme and the Asian Network has exclusively found online services | :47:01. | :47:03. | |
charging divorced Muslim women thousands of pounds to take part | :47:04. | :47:05. | |
in sham Islamic marriages. We play to the full report earlier | :47:06. | :47:17. | |
and we are going to show you a short extract right now before we have a | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
conversation about it. -- we played you. | :47:21. | :47:32. | |
We have changed Farah's named to protect her identity. He tried to | :47:33. | :47:41. | |
throw me out of the house. He dragged me by the hair. Farah's | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
husband's behaviour became increasingly unpredictable. I was at | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
home with the children and he was at work. During a heated discussion, he | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
sent me a text saying that our marriage was over. He divorced me. | :47:57. | :48:05. | |
Triple talaq is when a man says divorce to his wife three times | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
over. Then sometimes give a triple talaq during an argument or a fight | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
and later regret it. A small minority think that the only way a | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
couple divorced like this is allowed to get back together is through | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
halala. Halala means that a woman must marry someone else, can't you | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
make the marriage and then get a divorce before she is able to marry | :48:26. | :48:28. | |
her husband. It is something the vast majority of models are strongly | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
against. Most say it has nothing to do with religion, as it was | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
something that Farah considered. There are concerns that women are at | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
risk because of making that decision. I have come across a | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
number of different places that offer halala services. Most say that | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
they will send a man to marry her, Kodjia make the marriage and then | :48:56. | :49:02. | |
get a divorce. The man behind this account tells our reporter that the | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
halala service will cost several thousand pounds. | :49:06. | :49:23. | |
He then tells our reporter that he has other men working with him. One | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
who refused to divorced woman after carrying out the service. | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
-- divorced the woman after carrying out the service. | :49:36. | :49:44. | |
There is nothing to suggest the man our reporter meets is doing anything | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
illegal. We contacted him after the meeting. | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
He rejects any allegations against him, claiming he has never | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
carried out or been involved in a halala marriage and he made | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
the Facebook account for fun as part of a social experiment. | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
And that he had no intention of taking | :50:06. | :50:07. | |
I wanted to see what the Islamic Sharia Council made of the footage. | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
This is somebody's sister, daughter, that you are talking to. | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
The basic core values of Islam is where you are decent. | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
This is nasty, this is about making money, abusing vulnerable people. | :50:20. | :50:27. | |
Farah eventually decided against getting back | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
with her husband and the risk of going through a halala marriage, | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
but she warns there are other women out there like her who are desperate | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
Unless you are in that situation where you are divorced | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
and feeling the pain I felt, nobody will understand | :50:43. | :50:44. | |
Let's talk now to Huda Jawad who works for a domestic violence | :50:45. | :50:53. | |
charity and campaigns on womens rights issues. | :50:54. | :51:00. | |
Nusrat Siddiqui runs a Facebook page for single Muslim mums - | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
she wants Muslim women to know their rights when it | :51:04. | :51:05. | |
in Islamic law who was the first woman in the UK to serve | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
Nusrat Siddiqui, your reaction to this investigation? I think it is | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
discussing what goes on. I feel that most men feel that because they can | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
issue the taraq three times in one go in the marriage is over, they can | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
target the most vulnerable women and they are left standing there not | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
knowing what to do. I think a lot of awareness needs to be brought up | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
about this, and their rights. And then, going on, saying that we can | :51:39. | :51:52. | |
get back together by doing halala, which there is no concept of in | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
Islam. It is completely made up. The concept of three talaqs is | :51:58. | :52:03. | |
misunderstood. Men can initiate a divorce proceeding and so can a | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
woman. When a man initiates the proceedings, in the next three | :52:08. | :52:10. | |
months they could get back together without remarriage. They have that | :52:11. | :52:15. | |
time period. Similarly, if there is another divorce, another period of | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
three cycles where they can decide to get back together without | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
actually having a new contract, unless that period lapses, the | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
problem is that people think they can just say those in one setting. | :52:29. | :52:35. | |
The Koran lays out beautifully that there is a time period, that people | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
can actually have a time to negotiate, to come to terms with | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
issues and problems. But unfortunately, seeing it in one | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
sitting, there is some opinion that even though it is sinful and wrong, | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
it is valid. Hence people have this use this. -- have misused this. But | :52:54. | :53:01. | |
the men are supposed to become when they speak this word, because if you | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
speak this word it is such a serious word in Islam, you are not supposed | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
to alter it here and there. Going onto the words halala, there was no | :53:12. | :53:14. | |
mention of that word within the Koranic Scripture or tradition. Why | :53:15. | :53:24. | |
are and women not using British divorce law? To reiterate that this | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
is a really abusive practice, this is another example of domestic abuse | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
that happens. -- why are Muslim women. Abusers will use whatever is | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
available to them to control and exert power over their partners. I | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
think for people of different faith backgrounds and cultures, they want | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
permission from their own traditions of their status, whether it is | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
marriage or divorce or having a child or the rights of death or | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
birth. I think there is a need for people of different faith | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
backgrounds and ethnic community is to have that recognition. That is | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
why we use it. But the clear message today is please recognise that there | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
is no such thing as halala. It is important that the way it is | :54:14. | :54:22. | |
understood, it cannot be preplanned. In the Koran, is there -- if there | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
has been three divorces, a man cannot marry his ex-wife unless she | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
happens to marry somebody else and then there is a natural divorce. | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
Then they may marry again. So it is organic. It is against the teachings | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
of the permanence of marriage. That is a very patriarchal interpretation | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
of a particular teaching or tradition that goes against the | :54:46. | :54:51. | |
spirit of Justice and equality that the Koran talks about. The Koran | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
talks about compassion and mercy and at the core of Islamic law is being | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
compassionate and merciful towards each other. That is in fact not what | :55:00. | :55:05. | |
you see. Thank you very much for your patience. Next. | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
Former Spice Girl Mel B has filed a restraining order | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
against her former husband Stephen Belafonte, claiming | :55:16. | :55:17. | |
that he emotionally and physically abused her throughout much | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
Our reporter Anisa Kadri can tell us more. | :55:20. | :55:31. | |
What are the allegations? In these court papers there is a lot of | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
shocking detail. Mel B claims that Stephen Belafonte emotionally and | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
physically abused her throughout most of their marriage. Let me tell | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
you a little bit more about the marriage. They have a daughter | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
together and Mel B has children from previous relationships as well. In | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
happier times, they were pictured on the red carpet, and Belafonte denies | :55:55. | :56:04. | |
that he has abused and sexually exploited his wife. Mel B has now | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
been granted a restraining order after listing some of the following | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
allegations against them. Physical assault and battery. Verbal threats, | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
stalking and surveying. And she says that this carried on throughout most | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
of her marriage. Surveying? Related to stalking. That is one of the | :56:25. | :56:32. | |
allegations. Anyway, you may ask why did she not leave him if this was | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
going on throughout the marriage? I would not have asked that. Indeed, | :56:37. | :56:43. | |
but she says she tried to many times but that he threatened her with | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
violence and said that he would leak sex tapes to the media if she left. | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
And she talks about being the main earner in these papers file. Indeed. | :56:53. | :57:00. | |
She says that Mel B did not have steady employment and he wanted | :57:01. | :57:08. | |
control over her finances. He access millions of dollars through a joint | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
bank account. And what has Stephen Belafonte said to these allegations? | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
The celebrity sites TMC put some allegations to him on Monday and he | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
said that somebody had set him up to look like the bad guy. -- the | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
celebrity site TMZ. I have some quotes from a film they recorded | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
with him and in it he says that on allegations that she became -- he | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
became very jealous would not be working with Usher, demanding that | :57:37. | :57:43. | |
she had sex with him another women, he said, I'm distraught how this is | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
going to affect our children. I am shocked by the allegations and that | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
is what it is. And now Mel B has filed for divorce last month, citing | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
irreconcilable differences. She has been granted a restraining order and | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
a full hearing will be heard later this month. Thank you very much and | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
thank you for your very many messages about our interview with | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
which we began the programme. You can see the interview again on our | :58:09. | :58:10. | |
programme page. On the programme tomorrow, | :58:11. | :58:11. | |
Olympic silver and bronze medallist Lutalo Mummmed reports for us on how | :58:12. | :58:13. | |
to turn your life to sniff out Britain's | :58:14. | :58:15. | |
most pawsome partnership. We're the same wavelength. | :58:16. | :58:37. | |
He's my friend. Eight hounds and humans | :58:38. | :58:40. | |
go head-to-head. | :58:41. | :58:43. |