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It's Monday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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Our top today: Officers will line the street later as the funeral

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is held for PC Keith Palmer, who was murdered in the attack

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Friends and colleagues have been paying tribute.

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One of the kindest people you'll ever find.

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Very giving, very loyal, very true friend.

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I am at Westminster, where tens of thousands are expected to line the

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route of the funeral. Also on the programme -

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micro-dosing is illegal, and there's no medical evidence

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to say what kind of So why do some people think taking

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a tiny amount of psychedelic drugs A large amount of different pills

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each of which causes side-effects, and I find these substances give me

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the benefits without any of those drawbacks.

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And we'll talk to the woman in this viral photo who stood up

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to the English Defence League at a protest in Birmingham.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

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Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news

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And we'll be talking to the wife of Kris Maharaj who has

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spent 30 years fighting to clear her husband's name

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after he was convicted of double murder in Florida.

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New evidence means he could be out of prison by Christmas.

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Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you will be charged

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The funeral of PC Keith Palmer, who was murdered in the terror

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attack in Westminster last month, will be held this afternoon.

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The 48-year-old was stabbed to death by Khalid Masood as he stood guard

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Officers from across the country will line the route

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to Southwark Cathedral, where a full police

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Yesterday, the coffin of PC Keith Palmer was brought

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to the Palace of Westminster - the place where he worked,

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the place he had been protecting when he was killed last month.

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Overnight, an honour guard made up of members of the Parliamentary

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Yesterday, the coffin of PC Keith Palmer was brought

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and Diplomatic Protection Command has been watching over his

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coffin in the chapel of St Mary Undercroft

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PC Palmer's funeral is to be held at Southwark Cathedral this afternoon.

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Some of his colleagues who worked alongside him have

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been paying tribute, describing him as hard-working

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selfless, a dedicated officer who loved his job,

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One of the kindest people you'll ever find.

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Very giving, very loyal, a true friend.

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He was so down-to-earth and so normal.

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He came to work because he had a family to support.

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That was all he ever wanted to do, be there for his family.

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Officers from across the UK are expected to travel to London

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to line the route of the funeral cortege from Westminster

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Police forces will be holding two minutes' silence

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to remember their fallen colleague, while flags on force headquarters

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Our correspondent Keith Doyle is at Westminster.

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What is going to happen in the next few hours? From a bright and sunny

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Westminster, good morning, but it is a sombre day here, because this is

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where the funeral cortege of PC Keith Palmer will start as it makes

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it journey to Southwark Cathedral on the South bank of the River Thames.

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Shortly after one o'clock, his body will be taken from the chapel, the

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royal chapel in the Palace of Westminster where there has been a

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police honour guard all night, every hour the guard changed with

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colleagues standing guard over his coffin throughout the night. The

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hearse will take his coffin passed the very point where he was stabbed

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to death a little over two and a half weeks ago, and it will move out

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of Westminster, passed us right here on College Green and then over

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Lambeth Bridge and along the South bank of the River past Waterloo

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station and on towards London Bridge station where Southwark Cathedral

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is, so it is quite a big police operation here today. Are large

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crowds expect it? Indeed, they really are. 5000 or more police

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officers from every force in the country will be here today lining

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the route, taking part in the service. You can hear the siren

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Scott Hynd, there are lots of police around, barriers up, on the roads

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will be closed sometime soon. We expect many thousands of people,

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some of the estimates saying maybe 50,000 people could be lining the

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route. Really it goes to show the kind of respect people have for this

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police officer who was just doing his job, protecting Parliament, and

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became victim of this terrorist attack. That is why so many police

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officers are coming from all over the country to pay their respects as

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well, many of them fear it could have been any of them.

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Thank you very much. Reeta is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Foreign Ministers from

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the G7 leading nations They'll discuss how to persuade

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Russia to end its military support for Syria's President Assad,

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following last week's Our diplomatic correspondent

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James Robbins reports. The next two days in the Tuscan

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walled city of Lucca will be dominated by a collective search

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for arguments to persuade Vladimir Putin that he must now end

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Russia's military support for Syria's President Assad

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and help to accelerate a negotiated The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

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is expected to press the case for new sanctions against Russia

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if they don't give ground. President Trump's Secretary

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of State Rex Tillerson wants to go on from here to Moscow,

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able to confront the Russians with a strong set of demands,

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backed by America's key allies. Our priority is, first,

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the defeat of Isis. Remove them from access

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to their caliphate, because that's where the threat to the homeland

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and to so many homelands of our coalition partners

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is emanating from. Once we can eliminate the battle

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against Isis, conclude that, and it is going quite well,

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then we hope to turn our attention to achieving ceasefire

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agreements between the regime Russia and Iran, President Assad's

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key military backers, are threatening retaliation

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if there are any further It's far from clear that Moscow's

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attitude has shifted significantly since either the gas attack

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or America's retaliatory Years of effort trying to find

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a negotiated settlement have failed, and so the task here in Italy

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of trying to find a new way to break Egypt has declared a three-month

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state of emergency after attacks on two churches yesterday left

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at least 44 people dead. The measures allow the authorities

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to make arrests without warrants The army will be deployed to help

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police protect key sites. The so-called Islamic State group

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said it was behind both blasts. The BBC has uncovered evidence that

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appears to implicate the Bank of England in the so-called

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Libor scandal. A secret recording from 2008

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obtained by Panorama suggests it repeatedly pressured commercial

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banks to push down the rates at which they charged

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each other interest. Here's our economics

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correspondent Andy Verity. The Libor scandal first blew up

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in 2012, when Barclays boss Until recently, Libor used to set

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by a member of staff of the biggest banks,

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called a submitter, saying what interest rate they thought

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they'd have to pay to borrow money. An average was taken, called

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the London Inter-Bank Offered Rate, The submitters were meant to base it

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only on their own genuine view of the market for borrowing

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and lending cash. Panorama has uncovered a phone call

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on October 29th, 2008, during the financial crisis,

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when a senior Barclays banker, Mark Dearlove, tells the man

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putting in Libor rates, Peter Johnson, to push

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down his Libor rates below the true cost of borrowing cash

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because of pressure from above. We played the recording

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to Chris Phelps MP, a member If what Dearlove is saying

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is true, that is shocking. This tape suggests that in fact

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the Bank of England knew about it and indeed were encouraging

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or even instructing it. So we need an immediate

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inquiry to find out exactly what is going on, given what we have

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just heard on this tape. The Bank of England told Panorama

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that Libor and other global benchmarks were not regulated

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in the UK or elsewhere Swedish police are continuing

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to question a man suspected of driving a hijacked lorry

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into a crowd of people in Stockholm on Friday,

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leaving four people dead. The 39-year-old, originally

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from Uzbekistan, was facing deportation from Sweden and had

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expressed support for Tens of thousands gathered

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in the city yesterday to pay tribute to the victims,

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who included British Police in Manchester have launched

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extra patrols in the city centre, after receiving a surge in calls

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about people passing out from taking Greater Manchester Police said

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they dealt with 31 calls relating to the drug in 24 hours after it

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launched a two-day banning It's been reported that

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the substance left some users Australian scientists say two thirds

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of the Great Barrier Reef has now been devastated

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by severe coral bleaching. It's caused by rising water

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temperatures and researchers say surveys show an accelerated rate

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of damage along the Mass bleaching makes the coral

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fragile and can kill it. The reef is home to more

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than 130 species of shark That's a summary of

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the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. We're going to

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talk later to Safir Khan, who smiled at an EDL protest, and the

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photograph was captured and has gone viral on social media. A number of

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people praising her stance. We will talk to her later. Her dad has

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explained that he has always taught her and her sister not to back down

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from prejudice, so it will be interesting to talk to her later on.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

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Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you'll be charged

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It's all about the golf this morning.

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Sergio Garcia has finally won a major, and he's done it in style.

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He certainly did. He is the nearly man no more, at his 74th attempt, he

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has won his first major tournament with a victory at the Masters. It

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was neck and neck for much of the final round, if one nipped ahead,

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the other clawed them back, and so it went to sudden death. The winning

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putt for Garcia, this is what secured him the green jacket. And

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six to his knees, you can almost feel the long wait of expectation

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lift off his shoulders. His idol and late Spanish golfer, Seve

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Ballesteros, it would have been his 60th birthday, he has tried so hard

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but even he questioned his mental resilience, but at 37 years old he

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has come good. I felt the calmest I have ever felt on a major Sunday,

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and even after making a couple of bogeys, I was still very positive, I

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still believed that there were a lot of holes that I could get to, and I

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had some good shots coming in, and I'm so happy. You just want to know

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that he has won his first major if this will open the floodgates and he

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could win many more to come. The US open is in June, it will be

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interesting to see how gets an. Englishman Justin

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Rose just missing out, Yes, the first thing he did was to

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go over and hugged him. They have known each other a long time, they

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are good friends, and Justin Rose said, I would love to be wearing the

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green jacket, but if it wasn't me, then I'm glad it's him, here is what

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he had to say. We have been friends for a long time, we have been

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playing golf against one another since we were 14, so our careers

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will go on, and call for takeover, I will be disappointed for about a

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month on golf will take over and we'll carry on. There are many more

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goals this year, many objective to look forward to this was the

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highlight of the spring, and I was disappointed to come so close, but

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the year is only getting going. Reaction has been coming in, social

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media as always ablaze with congratulations and support, one of

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his sons said happy birthday, dad, he hoped he could win the Masters.

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It goes to show just how much of it popular guy Sergio Garcia is on the

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tour. Whiteman thank you, Jess. More throughout the

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morning. It's when you take a tiny amount

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of psychedelic drugs, LSD or magic mushrooms,

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usually, as part The drugs are illegal,

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and there's no medical evidence to tell us what the benefits

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or harms of it may be. But a small community of people

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in the UK are doing it anyway, Some say it aids creativity

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and concentration and helps But critics say it's dangerous,

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and users are putting Our reporter Catrin Nye has been

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meeting the people that do it. This is only, maybe, 20 mikes -

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20 milligrams of LSD. So this would be enough

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to give you a trip? Each morning, I take vitamins

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with a cup of tea and toast. So in the morning,

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it's vitamins, tea...? NEWSREEL: These are the faithful

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of LSD, or Acid-heads - the exposed tip of an iceberg

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of more sporadic users. Psychedelic drugs, LSD,

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magic mushrooms, are usually associated with long,

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mind-bending trips, Instant chemical wisdom

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obviously doesn't exist. The people I've been meeting,

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though, are taking the Class A drugs in tiny doses in an attempt

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to improve their lives. And, in some cases, deal with severe

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mental health problems. We are in the Great

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British countryside. And this is actually a place

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where you can quite easily get hold of psychedelic drugs,

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because magic mushrooms grow here. I'm off to see someone who's used

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those to micro-dose. I'm intrigued about

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your micro-dosing. When I was at university,

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I like most students, I think I discovered by accident one

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day when I was very bored that you could take a small amount of LSD

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and it was really useful And so I had learned

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that a really useful, nice thing to do with it would be

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to have it on a day off and have quite a normal day,

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but the quality of that day on all sorts of fronts

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would just be a lot better. So I would go for a walk

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and I would be struck All of those bits of sense data

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that we often lose to getting stuff done and being outcome focused

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would be really... There's something really relaxing

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and grounding about it. It wasn't until moving

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to the country that Anna Out of curiosity, I was running one

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day up in the hills and I didn't have to be back anywhere for quite

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a long time. So I picked a couple

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of mushrooms and I was curious I was really aware of enjoying

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moving and enjoying being outside. I went to a friend's house

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later that day and we had I really wanted to make

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the house look nice. Again, I had quite an ordinary day

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and I really enjoyed it. I felt quite happy and calm

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and grounded and I slept During the time that

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they were in season, if it was possible to pick a couple

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then I would. Because I knew that it was making me

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get more done and sleep better and just having a slightly better

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quality of life, I guess. The most noticeable thing for me

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was that I was a lot tidier. I'm a really messy person but I got

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very fussy about my physical space. So I would find myself

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suddenly possessed to tidy I would really get into

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doing the recycling. How do you justify the fact

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that it is completely illegal? When you're doing something that

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isn't causing any harm to anybody else or to yourself,

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there's nothing really that needs I query the relevance and the sanity

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of the legal frameworks He tells me he had a very abusive

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childhood and now suffers He micro-doses LSD with his

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tea in the morning. Erm, every two months, six weeks -

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a therapeutic dose. Not constantly - if you build up

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a tolerance to anything, Can you tell me what you're dealing

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with, and how it helps? Depression and anxiety as a result

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of this childhood trauma that led to borderline personality disorder

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and post-traumatic stress disorder. So all of these things together

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are currently dealt with by GPs with a large amount of different

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pills, each of which causes more side effects, I find

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in my personal experience, than the benefits

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these drugs provide. These substances, I've found,

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give me the benefits So then me using these

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substances mean I've been able to view my trauma so it's

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just an experience. It's a memory like any other.

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It doesn't hold me hostage any more. These substances can be reused again

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in the psychiatric toolkit The problem is in terms of credible

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medical research, there is currently no evidence to back up his

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experiences. James was recently involved in a pilot trial at

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Imperial College, London, looking at the use of magic mushrooms in

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clinical depression. It did not, however look at micro-dosing? At a

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medical level nothing about. There have been no trials looking at at

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all and the only way that we can sort out whether or not it works or

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it doesn't is by doing a blinded pa seen owe controlled randomised

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trial. What are the dangers of people taking it upon themselves to

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conduct their own little experiment on themselves with? We have no idea

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what the effect might be on driving for example, skilled tasks, it is

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the definition of a micro-dose is you don't notice the sub jective

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effect, but that doesn't mean it is not having any effect on you. We

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don't know what risks in the long-term might be. There was some

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concern before 1970 when the drugs were being used clinically, in

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people who are liable to develop schizophrenia and psychotic

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disorders, the drugs might uncover those issues in some people. Some

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studies showed that might be a risk. Other studies showed it wasn't.

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Again, it is another area where we don't know. Though we know nothing

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about, James' work is part of a recent cautious revival in

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scientific trials involving sick Cadelic drugs. Back this the 50s and

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60s thousands of patients were treated with sick Cadelics, but that

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all stopped when governments around the world started to ban

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recreational drugs. They were used prior to prohibition in the UK in

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1970 and they seemed to be quite effective for people with treatment

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resistant forms of depression and anxiety and alcoholism and that's

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precisely the patient group that I see in my clinic, who aren't getting

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better with the standard treatments. It's frustrating to see people who

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don't get better. You have to understand where I was

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before I took it. The day before I took it, I was thinking about

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killing myself a lot. Like a lot. Like I was standing in front of

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medicine cabinet counting pills. I was feeling horrible one day and I

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did the micro-dose and at first I felt nothing. I thought oh well,

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this is a failed endeavour. This woman is a successful author and

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former lawyer who lives in California. She suffers from a mood

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disorder that had been managed by prescription medication, but she

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fell into a depression and she was suicidal. She is not a fan of drugs,

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but says desperation made her try micro-dosing LSD. About 90 minutes

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later I looked up and I looked out the window and I had a at the time a

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dogwood tree in my yard. The dogwood in bloom. I thought oh, look. The

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dogwood is in bloom. It is so beautiful. It wasn't like the

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blossoms were shimmering, it was just that I hadn't been able to

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appreciate anything like that in so long. I had been all, but anhidonic.

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To appreciate beauty was earth shaking. It was a really remarkable

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treatment for me. It is one I'm sorry I can't do every day because

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it resolved my depression instandtainiously. Really? Yeah. I

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wasn't happy. But at least I was no longer contemplating killing myself.

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I was much less likely to fly off the handle. I got my work done more

:25:53.:25:59.

effectively. It worked the way my psychiatrist had always promised to

:26:00.:26:05.

me that my antidepressants would work. So this is enough more about

:26:06.:26:10.

six weeks? If you're micro-dosing. If you're taking a proper dose,

:26:11.:26:14.

that's one standard average dose. And what are you aiming for? About

:26:15.:26:23.

0.2. So you'd go to work now? I'd go to work. How do you think your

:26:24.:26:27.

colleagues would react? They would be horrified, probably.

:26:28.:26:33.

Obviously Class A drugs like these are illegal, possession could result

:26:34.:26:39.

in up to seven years in prison. Dylan micro-doses every few days

:26:40.:26:43.

with magic mushrooms. His friends know, but his colleagues don't. He

:26:44.:26:47.

works in a well respected profession and so we've changed his name and

:26:48.:26:50.

we're protecting his identity because his habit could lose him his

:26:51.:26:56.

job. Have you found yourself like in work, suddenly feeling like you're

:26:57.:26:59.

tripping because you took too much? Once. On acid. I was trying to

:27:00.:27:06.

micro-dose on acid. That was not pleasant. You realise and you're

:27:07.:27:11.

kicking yourself for not having thought this through. Tell me more

:27:12.:27:18.

about how this will change your day? I can you can float in and out of

:27:19.:27:22.

various situations with an ease and with a comfort level that's just

:27:23.:27:27.

exquisite. It gives you this very calm and relaxed sense of being

:27:28.:27:34.

sensored. Dylan thinks micro-dosing makes him better at his job, more

:27:35.:27:38.

able to concentrate, more creative. It is this belief that means it has

:27:39.:27:42.

become associated with Silicon Valley in the US and there is one

:27:43.:27:46.

man that if you talk to people who micro-dose always gets a mention.

:27:47.:27:53.

Jim has been researching psyche Cadelics since the 60s and offers a

:27:54.:28:01.

website telling people how to micro-dose. He says 900 people have.

:28:02.:28:08.

The most consistent result is people say, "My life seems to be working

:28:09.:28:15.

better. I am more effective." Their sleeping habits improve. Their

:28:16.:28:20.

eating habits improve. They feel better in social situations. These

:28:21.:28:26.

many hundreds of people around the world are either all deluding

:28:27.:28:33.

themselves which seems highly unlikely or the results are valid.

:28:34.:28:37.

Is there not a sense that people enjoy being a bit high? That these

:28:38.:28:41.

guys are having a little bit of the effect they get when they take drugs

:28:42.:28:46.

which some people like? Maybe. I think that's the same question for

:28:47.:28:53.

any stimulant. In our instructions we indicate if you're feeling a

:28:54.:28:57.

little bit high then you need to lower your dose. Do you worry that

:28:58.:29:00.

someone in a less privileged position in terms of legal

:29:01.:29:05.

protection is going to do this and get into real trouble? I'm a white

:29:06.:29:11.

woman living in California with economic resources in the

:29:12.:29:15.

background. If you are a young African-American guy in say Ferguson

:29:16.:29:20.

and you're experiencing the same kind of psychiatric symptoms that I

:29:21.:29:24.

was experiencing, it would be tremendously dangerous for you to do

:29:25.:29:28.

what I did. The other danger, of course, is just how unpredictable

:29:29.:29:31.

the drugs can be. Even while making this film a boy in America has died

:29:32.:29:35.

falling off a roof while on LSD. His family said he had a bad trip. These

:29:36.:29:40.

stories are rare, but they really scare people. This stuff is really

:29:41.:29:46.

powerful. In Durham alone, in the past three years, four years, three

:29:47.:29:51.

students have drowned in our river from alcohol intoxication. That's

:29:52.:29:54.

the same thing, but we don't talk about alcohol is really powerful. I

:29:55.:29:59.

guess history tells us if a drug gets a bad reputation it can damage

:30:00.:30:03.

the science so... Of course, that's and that's something we have to work

:30:04.:30:06.

with, I suppose, but I don't think that's a reason not to do the

:30:07.:30:09.

science. In fact, I think it is a reason to do the scientific

:30:10.:30:11.

research. Rob tweets, surely this is a

:30:12.:30:35.

terrible idea, people do build tolerance to drugs. And on Facebook,

:30:36.:30:41.

I wonder how many people who start taking Micro doses end up getting

:30:42.:30:47.

more and more addicted? What fools, this just leads to more and more

:30:48.:30:51.

problems. If people think it is making their life better, what has

:30:52.:30:56.

it got to do with anyone else? Later in the programme we speak to one

:30:57.:30:57.

expert about the dangers. We'll hear

:30:58.:31:01.

from the daughter of a 70-year-old man killed while he cycled

:31:02.:31:05.

through central London; she's calling for better police training

:31:06.:31:07.

into how to handle cycling deaths. And this image of a woman smiling

:31:08.:31:10.

at an English Defence League protestor in Birmingham

:31:11.:31:13.

has gone viral. We'll talk to her about

:31:14.:31:15.

why she intervened. Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom

:31:16.:31:24.

with a summary of today's news. Thousands of police officers

:31:25.:31:28.

from across the UK are expected at the funeral of PC

:31:29.:31:30.

Keith Palmer, who was killed The 48-year-old was stabbed to death

:31:31.:31:33.

by Khalid Masood as he stood guard A service will be held this

:31:34.:31:38.

afternoon at Southwark Cathedral. Keith didn't hesitate

:31:39.:31:44.

to act when confronted His bravery and his courage are

:31:45.:31:46.

something that all officers are very Also, there's a tremendous sense

:31:47.:31:54.

of sadness and of loss, and a feeling that it could have been

:31:55.:31:59.

anybody, and it was Keith. So, the funeral will

:32:00.:32:02.

also be an opportunity for the police family to come

:32:03.:32:05.

together, to grieve together, but also to show support,

:32:06.:32:08.

in particular to Keith's family, his friends,

:32:09.:32:10.

and his close colleagues. The UK is pushing for

:32:11.:32:15.

new sanctions on Russia if it maintains its staunch support for

:32:16.:32:18.

Syrian President Basher Al-Assad. The Foreign Secretary,

:32:19.:32:20.

Boris Johnson, is meeting with other G7 leaders in Italy

:32:21.:32:22.

to discuss the situation. He has faced criticism

:32:23.:32:25.

over his decision to pull out of talks with Moscow

:32:26.:32:27.

after the chemical attack in Syria last week that

:32:28.:32:29.

left more than 80 dead. Egypt has declared a three-month

:32:30.:32:37.

state of emergency after attacks on two churches yesterday left

:32:38.:32:42.

at least 44 people dead. The measures allow the authorities

:32:43.:32:45.

to make arrests without warrants The army will be deployed to help

:32:46.:32:47.

police protect key sites. The so-called Islamic State group

:32:48.:32:53.

said it was behind both blasts. The BBC has uncovered evidence that

:32:54.:32:57.

appears to implicate the Bank of England in the so-called

:32:58.:32:59.

Libor scandal. A secret recording from 2008

:33:00.:33:08.

obtained by Panorama suggests it repeatedly pressured commercial

:33:09.:33:11.

banks to push down the rates at which they charged

:33:12.:33:13.

each other interest. Police in Manchester have launched

:33:14.:33:16.

extra patrols in the city centre, after receiving a surge in calls

:33:17.:33:19.

about people passing out from taking Greater Manchester Police said

:33:20.:33:22.

they dealt with 31 calls relating to the drug in 24 hours after it

:33:23.:33:25.

launched a two-day banning It's been reported that

:33:26.:33:28.

the substance left some users Australian scientists say two thirds

:33:29.:33:32.

of the Great Barrier Reef has now been devastated

:33:33.:33:39.

by severe coral bleaching. It's caused by rising water

:33:40.:33:40.

temperatures and researchers say surveys show an accelerated rate

:33:41.:33:42.

of damage along the Mass bleaching makes the coral

:33:43.:33:45.

fragile and can kill it. The reef is home to more

:33:46.:33:53.

than 130 species of shark That's a summary of

:33:54.:33:55.

the latest BBC News. Sergio Garcia has won the 2017 major

:33:56.:34:24.

after beating Justin Rose in an entertaining play-off. Manchester

:34:25.:34:26.

United keep Sunderland at the bottom of the Premier League table after a

:34:27.:34:31.

3-0 win at Stadium of Light. United moved up to fifth. Everton ended

:34:32.:34:36.

Leicester's winning run with a 4-2 victory, Romilly Lukaku scored twice

:34:37.:34:42.

and is the top scorer in the Premier League. And a last-minute try and

:34:43.:34:51.

the last kick of the game as wasps stay stop of the premiership.

:34:52.:35:00.

What needs to happen next to try and find an end to the conflict

:35:01.:35:07.

in Syria which has seen almost half a million people killed?

:35:08.:35:09.

That's something G7 foreign ministers will be discussing

:35:10.:35:11.

The G7 or group of seven, is made up of the world's seven

:35:12.:35:16.

richest industrial countries - Britain, America, Japan, Germany,

:35:17.:35:18.

This next film shows some of the key events of the last few days

:35:19.:35:22.

which will be discussed at that meeting.

:35:23.:35:24.

It contains some distressing images and flashing lights

:35:25.:35:26.

These heinous actions by the Assad regime cannot be tolerated.

:35:27.:36:05.

If proven this will be further evidence of barbarism

:36:06.:36:07.

any chemical weapons. that Syria did not do

:36:08.:36:30.

It does not have any chemical weapons because it has

:36:31.:36:32.

given all its stockpile to the international organisation

:36:33.:36:34.

It was time to say enough, but not only say it,

:36:35.:37:04.

Bashar al-Assad must never use chemical weapons again, ever.

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TRANSLATION: The attack by the United States

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is understandable given the extent of the war crime, the suffering

:37:18.:37:19.

of innocent people, and the blockade in the UN Security Council.

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"From now on we will respond with force".

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That was the threat from Russia and Iran last night to America

:38:14.:38:17.

after accusing President Trump of crossing "red lines" by striking

:38:18.:38:20.

Let's speak now to Labour's spokesperson on foreign affairs,

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Sir Tony Brenton, a former British Ambassador to Moscow.

:38:29.:38:32.

who is Syrian and has family living there.

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Thank you to all of you for talking to us. What should happen next? I

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think that the only solution in the end is a political settlement, so

:38:50.:38:52.

everything that happens should be seen through the lens of, will this

:38:53.:38:57.

stop the war faster? And what worries me is in the last few days

:38:58.:39:01.

we have had more rhetoric, great headlines, but has it been helping

:39:02.:39:05.

with sorting out this problem and finding a political solution? I

:39:06.:39:10.

don't think it has. Peace talks have been going on for months and years,

:39:11.:39:16.

there has been no progress. The difficulty with Syria is that it

:39:17.:39:20.

isn't just a complicated civil war, it is a regional war, and there are

:39:21.:39:26.

major powers fighting as if there is a proxy war going on, so that is

:39:27.:39:31.

what makes it complex and multilayered, but it can only work

:39:32.:39:35.

if major players are round the table together, and what we have seen is

:39:36.:39:39.

this major falling out between America and Russia pulling the

:39:40.:39:42.

parties apart and further away from the table, and nobody believes that

:39:43.:39:48.

you can win this war, nobody can win the war, there has to be a political

:39:49.:39:52.

settlement, and there has to be a long-term solution, and so by

:39:53.:39:56.

increasing rhetoric and hitting headlines, Boris Johnson me feel

:39:57.:40:01.

good today, but he isn't actually helping with a long-term solution

:40:02.:40:04.

when it comes to what will happen to Syria. Would you have cancelled the

:40:05.:40:09.

trip to Moscow as Boris Johnson has? I think it is a difficult one

:40:10.:40:13.

because it is also important to be involved with the G7, but since the

:40:14.:40:19.

early trip had been cancelled, I think it was important to go,

:40:20.:40:22.

because I think you have to engage the Russians and talk to them. And

:40:23.:40:27.

to be quite honest, it looks yet again like auris is playing second

:40:28.:40:31.

fiddle to the Americans, and in so much of foreign policy, we wait for

:40:32.:40:38.

the Americans and then agree, and with an unpredictable president,

:40:39.:40:44.

that puts our foreign policy in a difficult position. So that makes

:40:45.:40:48.

Boris Johnson Donald Trump's Kudla? I don't think that is appropriate,

:40:49.:40:54.

but I would have gone to Russia and started the talks and started

:40:55.:40:57.

talking about how we are going to sort this out. Assad shouldn't have

:40:58.:41:03.

a long-term future in Syria, so how do we make sure that we move Syria

:41:04.:41:07.

on. Half the population is living abroad, half a million people have

:41:08.:41:12.

died, we are incredibly distressed by these photographs of children

:41:13.:41:15.

being killed in this way, but the only solution is political. How

:41:16.:41:20.

would you describe the Foreign Secretary's relationship with the

:41:21.:41:22.

American administration on this issue? I think we play second fiddle

:41:23.:41:29.

and we don't seem to have... We are a member of the top table at the

:41:30.:41:32.

United Nations, a country that ought to have cloud, and I think that at

:41:33.:41:37.

the moment, it is almost as if we are slightly cowed by it, waiting

:41:38.:41:41.

for America to decide what their policy is, and I feel profoundly

:41:42.:41:46.

uncomfortable about that. I think we should be more confident about

:41:47.:41:50.

ourselves and be prepared to say no to the president when he is wrong,

:41:51.:41:54.

and I think he was wrong to take unilateral action and bombing in the

:41:55.:42:00.

circumstances in Syria. So let Assad get away with the chemical gas

:42:01.:42:03.

attacks on his own people? None of us wanting to get away with it. The

:42:04.:42:06.

way to make sure that he doesn't is first of all to have proof which

:42:07.:42:13.

nobody can argue with, so send in UN inspectors to make sure it can be

:42:14.:42:18.

clear who was gas that was, and then get action across the whole of the

:42:19.:42:21.

international community, not for one party to decide I believe it is him,

:42:22.:42:26.

even though most of us believe that it was, and I, America, and going to

:42:27.:42:35.

send off 56 Tomahawks. We have to do this together as a world through the

:42:36.:42:40.

UN. Let me bring in Sir Tony Brenton, former British ambassador

:42:41.:42:44.

to Washington. When Russia and Iran say they will respond with force,

:42:45.:42:48.

what do you think that means? I don't think we should take it too

:42:49.:42:59.

seriously. Really?! The Russians have already taken once more and

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dangerous action in ending the arrangements with America in Syria,

:43:03.:43:07.

there is not a huge amount they can do, and what we are watching is

:43:08.:43:14.

noise to cover up the confusion. I broadly agree with what Emily

:43:15.:43:17.

Thornbury has just said, about needing to talk to the Russians

:43:18.:43:22.

about finding a way out of the Syrian mess, but I disagree with her

:43:23.:43:27.

in her feeling that the US air strike was a mistake, I think it has

:43:28.:43:32.

been a useful reality check for Assad obviously but also for the

:43:33.:43:35.

Russians, who have got used to dealing with a week US

:43:36.:43:38.

administration, that there are limits to what the US will tolerate,

:43:39.:43:44.

and that will affect calculations in the future, hopefully in a helpful

:43:45.:43:48.

direction. What is the best way to get President Putin to drop his

:43:49.:43:58.

support of Assad in Syria? The first step is to gauge with the Russians

:43:59.:44:02.

on the way forward. There are pressures on him to get out of

:44:03.:44:05.

Syria, he has a presidential election next year, a population

:44:06.:44:12.

disenchanted with Syria, he would like to find a way out but he won't

:44:13.:44:20.

accept a way which affects what he views as Russia's vital interests

:44:21.:44:23.

there, the crucial one being confidence that Assad will not be

:44:24.:44:28.

replaced by an Islamist regime, and that is a danger to us as well, and

:44:29.:44:33.

as we negotiate a way forward, part of it has to be to find a way to

:44:34.:44:45.

replace Assad but with a dependable northern Islamist alternative.

:44:46.:44:54.

You heard the former British ambassador saying, don't take it too

:44:55.:44:57.

seriously when they say they will respond with force, is he right? To

:44:58.:45:01.

be honest, I think the events in the last week were very unpredictable.

:45:02.:45:15.

So I don't know. To just sit and wait to what the response is going

:45:16.:45:20.

to be, already cancelling the non-conflictual agreement between

:45:21.:45:24.

Russia and America is dangerous, and it could be a cover for what may

:45:25.:45:29.

appear as an accident, a clash between American and Russian

:45:30.:45:36.

aeroplanes over the sky of Syria, it could be something that had been

:45:37.:45:42.

deliberately engineered. In terms of your own family members, what do

:45:43.:45:45.

they want from the international community? Whether it is my family

:45:46.:45:50.

or many other Syrians, what they want is the right conflict? Do they

:45:51.:45:55.

have the right to have their own conflict? The Syrians were making

:45:56.:46:04.

the headlines by going down to the street at the start, but now it is

:46:05.:46:08.

anything but Syrian. They shouldn't be called a Syrian conflict any

:46:09.:46:12.

more. You are discussing superpowers, G7, Nato, even the

:46:13.:46:20.

Geneva talks which involve some from Syria, or are being held on the

:46:21.:46:29.

basis of resolution which no Syria at all have been involved in

:46:30.:46:33.

drafting those resolutions. So there is a huge non-Syrian parliament in

:46:34.:46:37.

this conflict, and most Syrians want this to be out of serious they can

:46:38.:46:40.

sort out their own issues. Don't expect Syrians to reach any solution

:46:41.:46:47.

to be to change things on the ground when you have all these actors

:46:48.:46:52.

involved at the same time. You can't wait for Orbis International debate

:46:53.:46:57.

and restructuring of how the war is going on the Security Council, Nato

:46:58.:47:02.

and everything, we can't wait for this to be resolved over the heads

:47:03.:47:08.

of Syrians, so we just want it out of the scene as much as possible.

:47:09.:47:24.

The mortgage ar shells were falling next to her house. My parents in

:47:25.:47:31.

Homs were concerned about 2,000 people from Homs were deported by

:47:32.:47:38.

force from Homs and dumped in an opposition controlled area. There

:47:39.:47:41.

were different dynamics on the ground happening and all this

:47:42.:47:49.

international attention on the attacks itself, it played no role in

:47:50.:47:52.

changing these events at all. If anything, it was making it worse and

:47:53.:47:57.

more Syrians were being killed every day whether before or after dark.

:47:58.:48:02.

Understood. Emily, finally, your party is split on this issue. Some

:48:03.:48:07.

of your MPs accused your leader of preferring inaction to stopping a

:48:08.:48:10.

murderous tyrant. What would you say to them? Well, I think that we all

:48:11.:48:17.

want to stop a murderous tyrantment we all want peace in Syria. It's a

:48:18.:48:21.

question of how we go about doing that and sometimes people say that

:48:22.:48:24.

the Labour line on this is a weak one. But it's so isn't. It would

:48:25.:48:29.

have been very easy for us to join in the rhetoric and say, "Yes, this

:48:30.:48:32.

is outrageous. Let's get involved in the bombing." But we're not doing

:48:33.:48:36.

that because we're taking a step back and we're saying what is the

:48:37.:48:40.

long game? How do we make sure we get peace in Syria? It will take a

:48:41.:48:44.

while, but the lady has just said, the woman from Syria, saying, you

:48:45.:48:48.

know, it is as if it is not a Syrian conflict anymore, it is a great, big

:48:49.:48:53.

international conflict and we need to get the powers out and we need

:48:54.:48:57.

Syria to find peace. It is right and people need to say that. Do you

:48:58.:49:01.

think there, even if the international players got out, do

:49:02.:49:04.

you think there could be peace with President Assad still president? I

:49:05.:49:08.

think that in the end President Assad has to go, but I think that

:49:09.:49:12.

any calls for him to leave straightaway which the British

:49:13.:49:15.

Government has been doing, I think, is not likely to be realistic. I

:49:16.:49:19.

think, I hope that he has no long-term future in Syria. I think

:49:20.:49:23.

that he is a murderous tyrant. So yes, I want him to go, but when

:49:24.:49:27.

we've talked about regime change in the past, we have talked about it in

:49:28.:49:31.

the context of Iraq or Libya and looked what has happenedment when

:49:32.:49:34.

people say they want regime change the next question must be what do

:49:35.:49:39.

you want in its place and if you don't know wh what you want in its

:49:40.:49:42.

place, you have to think long-term and think we need to work this

:49:43.:49:46.

through and not just be doing knee-jerk politics here. What would

:49:47.:49:50.

President Assad have to do for you to support some kind of military

:49:51.:49:54.

intervention? No. That's not the way to put it. Sorry. What I would say

:49:55.:49:59.

is, I'm not against military intervention if it is part of a

:50:00.:50:03.

larger plan. If someone can say to me, if we intervene here, if we do

:50:04.:50:07.

this, if we kill this number of people then this will happen and

:50:08.:50:10.

then we will be able to move on here and this is the solution. But the

:50:11.:50:13.

difficulty is for politicians is that when terrible things like this

:50:14.:50:17.

happen, if you don't respond with, "Let's get involved in bombing" Then

:50:18.:50:21.

there is criticism that you're being weak, but you're not, you're saying,

:50:22.:50:26.

the pressure is to be seen to be doing something, but you must step

:50:27.:50:29.

back and think what is the long-term plan? You have to have a strategy

:50:30.:50:34.

and at the moment, I very much fear that the international community is

:50:35.:50:38.

falling out big time and we're not talking strategy anymore, we're

:50:39.:50:42.

talking, you know, let's see who can say the strongest thing? Let's be

:50:43.:50:45.

seen to be a strong man. Let's be seen to be Boris Johnson is standing

:50:46.:50:48.

up to the Russians. Really, how does this help us in the long-term?

:50:49.:50:53.

That's what we need to be doing. Thank you very much.

:50:54.:51:08.

Coming up, the 78-year-old British multimillionaire whose been

:51:09.:51:09.

in prison in the United States for more than 30 years

:51:10.:51:12.

He's always maintained his innocence, now new evidence has

:51:13.:51:18.

The daughter of a 70-year-old man killed whilst cycling

:51:19.:51:25.

through central London is calling for better police training into how

:51:26.:51:27.

It's after the woman accused of knocking down and killing

:51:28.:51:32.

Michael Mason was cleared of careless driving

:51:33.:51:34.

in what is the first ever crowdfunded private prosecution.

:51:35.:51:43.

Mr Mason who wasn't wearing a helmet died in hospital days after being

:51:44.:51:51.

hit by a car. Days after his death, his daughter made a film looking

:51:52.:51:55.

into whether police failed to investigate cycling deaths properly.

:51:56.:51:59.

A warning it shows her father seriously ill in a hospital bed

:52:00.:52:00.

before he died. Dad was cycling home this way up

:52:01.:52:11.

a central London road when he was He was in hospital in

:52:12.:52:14.

a coma for three weeks, At the inquest into my father's

:52:15.:52:19.

death, the driver said she She said it was like something

:52:20.:52:22.

falling from the sky. Afterwards, the coroner's verdict

:52:23.:52:26.

was that his death had been Society obviously depends

:52:27.:52:28.

on families joining together. Here's my dad, Mick Mason,

:52:29.:52:36.

in happier times at my wedding. He was a gentle, unassuming

:52:37.:52:38.

Geordie, who often had a My family and I had questions

:52:39.:52:41.

about how the police were investigating my dad's

:52:42.:52:45.

death from very early on. Potential witnesses

:52:46.:52:47.

were not chased as we would have liked and they did not

:52:48.:52:49.

appear to think about what we were One officer even asked

:52:50.:52:52.

us if we wondered whether my dad might be

:52:53.:52:57.

responsible for his own death. The private prosecution was brought

:52:58.:53:18.

by the cyclists defence fund. Anna Tatton-Brown gave us her

:53:19.:53:20.

reaction to the case. I'm not sure that it was the wrong

:53:21.:53:22.

verdict and what was presented in that half-way through the case

:53:23.:53:28.

the other side applied to have the case thrown out

:53:29.:53:34.

as I learn is sometimes customary in cases for lack

:53:35.:53:36.

of evidence saying that the prosecution hadn't

:53:37.:53:38.

presented enough evidence. The judge ruled that there

:53:39.:53:40.

was and that it should go to a jury. So, for us, that was kind

:53:41.:53:43.

of vindication in having brought the case and this case should always

:53:44.:53:47.

have gone in front of a court, He also allocated costs

:53:48.:53:51.

at the end so the cycling charity will get some, if not all,

:53:52.:53:56.

of their money back. Again, further vindication for us

:53:57.:53:59.

that this was always where this So, I kind of like to think of it

:54:00.:54:01.

as the driver was on trial during this case, but the Met's

:54:02.:54:08.

decision was also on trial. While she was found not guilty,

:54:09.:54:10.

the Met, to a certain extent, How difficult was it to listen

:54:11.:54:19.

to some of the evidence? I obviously know this

:54:20.:54:23.

case inside out. I thought that I knew what every

:54:24.:54:27.

witness was going to say and I thought that I was kind

:54:28.:54:31.

of immune to it and that it wouldn't shock me, but it really

:54:32.:54:35.

did and hearing people discuss your father's injuries

:54:36.:54:38.

in a kind of such a matter of fact, scientific way,

:54:39.:54:43.

I mean I know that's how it has got to be,

:54:44.:54:46.

but it's horrible and I was shocked Whilst you accept the verdict,

:54:47.:54:49.

do you want the police to review or look again at the way they deal

:54:50.:54:55.

with cases involving cyclists? I, in the three years

:54:56.:54:59.

since the accident happened and the case came to trial, I have

:55:00.:55:10.

come across quite a few families who have had issues with how

:55:11.:55:13.

the police have handled their cases. So it is not just me.

:55:14.:55:16.

I am by no means an isolated case. We finally got the case to court,

:55:17.:55:20.

but three years have gone by. People's memories aren't as fresh

:55:21.:55:26.

and there are inherent problems The expense that we have had to go

:55:27.:55:28.

to to fight, to get it into the justice system,

:55:29.:55:35.

but also for the driver. She had this hanging

:55:36.:55:37.

over her for three years. And I think that the police need

:55:38.:55:41.

better training with how they deal with evidence at the scene,

:55:42.:55:46.

how they hand... The mentality

:55:47.:55:50.

with which they approach a cycling There were scenarios

:55:51.:55:52.

where they kept saying to me, "Your dad was wearing dark clothing,

:55:53.:55:59.

he wasn't wearing a helmet." And I think that mentality washed

:56:00.:56:04.

over how they treated the case So I think specialist training

:56:05.:56:07.

to help them realise that that maybe the case -

:56:08.:56:12.

he was wearing dark clothing but there are other issues at play

:56:13.:56:15.

here - and I don't think it's I think there are issues about how

:56:16.:56:18.

the whole justice system Our case never got to the CPS

:56:19.:56:24.

so I don't know how the CPS would have handled it,

:56:25.:56:28.

but I've heard of issues with other people once the cases get to the CPS

:56:29.:56:32.

and then the justice system, I'm not questioning

:56:33.:56:35.

the verdict for a moment. But I think there are issues

:56:36.:56:39.

about a jury where almost everyone will drive and, for a moment,

:56:40.:56:44.

one of those people We don't always pay full

:56:45.:56:46.

attention when we drive. I don't always pay full attention

:56:47.:56:50.

100% of the time when I drive. So I don't know how you can separate

:56:51.:56:54.

that in your mind when you're making it a decision about the guilt

:56:55.:56:59.

of someone who does an activity The Met tell us the test

:57:00.:57:01.

for referral to the Crown Prosecution Service as laid down

:57:02.:57:08.

by the Director of Public Prosecutions was applied and found

:57:09.:57:11.

not to meet the required threshold and the evidence was tested

:57:12.:57:14.

in the Coroners' Court and not referred for further investigation

:57:15.:57:17.

or examination by any other agency, Her Majesty's Coroner concluded this

:57:18.:57:19.

was the result of an accident and the investigation

:57:20.:57:25.

supports this finding. From what you've said,

:57:26.:57:30.

it sounds like in a way you think the police

:57:31.:57:33.

perhaps blamed your father He was wearing dark clothing,

:57:34.:57:35.

he wasn't wearing a helmet? But the law of our land says that

:57:36.:57:38.

you have to have lights that are working and are

:57:39.:57:44.

on and reflectors. Regent Street is a street

:57:45.:57:46.

in Central London, He was visible and, so,

:57:47.:57:51.

I don't think it's for them to make a decision whether she should have

:57:52.:58:01.

seen him or not. And they say that it

:58:02.:58:03.

didn't meet the criteria, but a judge has ruled

:58:04.:58:10.

that this case... for this case to have been in court

:58:11.:58:12.

and the jury should make I think that their decision

:58:13.:58:17.

was wrong and I think that I'd like them to, in the light of this,

:58:18.:58:25.

go back and apologise really. Not just to me, but to

:58:26.:58:30.

Gail Purcell, the woman who was driving, and really think

:58:31.:58:33.

about how they handle these cases They've quoted the CPS

:58:34.:58:36.

guildelines there but... I'm not entirely

:58:37.:58:41.

sure of the wording. There is a recommendation in cases

:58:42.:58:47.

of fatalities that there is an

:58:48.:58:50.

automatic referral to the CPS. I don't think it's

:58:51.:58:52.

become a rule yet. When I made the film

:58:53.:58:54.

for you guys, I interviewed Keir

:58:55.:58:59.

Starmer, who was the He said he thought there

:59:00.:59:01.

was a strong argument now for eight direct

:59:02.:59:04.

referral in the case of every fatality

:59:05.:59:06.

that it goes direct to the CPS and

:59:07.:59:07.

the decision I repeat that call,

:59:08.:59:09.

especially in the We will have the latest news and

:59:10.:59:21.

sport shortly. Here is Carol. Gorgeous. People want to know will

:59:22.:59:26.

it the be the same for Easter weekend?

:59:27.:59:32.

It's not, I'm afraid. It won't be as warm, but it won't be a write-off.

:59:33.:59:41.

Look at these lovely pictures from our weather watchers. Some of us

:59:42.:59:46.

have started the day with blue skies as we entered the weekend with a top

:59:47.:59:54.

temperature of 25.5 Celsius in Cambridge yesterday afternoon,

:59:55.:59:57.

making it the warmest of the year so far. But this cooler air is pushing

:59:58.:00:03.

southwards, some of us will still have temperatures above average for

:00:04.:00:08.

this stage in April. A little Fairweather cloud will develop,

:00:09.:00:13.

produce showers especially across Northern Ireland, northern and

:00:14.:00:19.

western Scotland. If you catch a shower in the Midlands, it will be

:00:20.:00:24.

fleeting. Across the south-west, lower temperatures than yesterday,

:00:25.:00:30.

but still nice with the sunshine. Those sunny intervals continuing

:00:31.:00:38.

across East Anglia, Cambridge today instead of 25.5, more likely to be

:00:39.:00:46.

13. Showers continuing across northern and western Scotland, but

:00:47.:00:49.

most of Scotland will be dry with some sunshine coming through. Across

:00:50.:00:56.

Northern Ireland we can't rule out a shower, and as we move back to

:00:57.:01:00.

Wales, again, a lot of dry weather with some sunshine. Heading through

:01:01.:01:05.

the evening and overnight, our next system comes in across the Northwest

:01:06.:01:09.

introducing some rain across Scotland, head of it cloud building

:01:10.:01:13.

for Northern England and Northern Ireland, but for the rest of England

:01:14.:01:17.

and Wales, clearer skies allowing temperatures in the countryside to

:01:18.:01:21.

drop. This represents towns and cities, so there will be frost to

:01:22.:01:29.

start the day. We have the rain continuing across parts of northern

:01:30.:01:32.

and western Scotland tomorrow, a blustery day and the chilly

:01:33.:01:37.

direction the wind is coming from, the Northwest. But moving further

:01:38.:01:41.

south, again we are looking at sunshine. Temperatures tomorrow

:01:42.:01:48.

between 12 and 17 Celsius, in London at this stage in April the averages

:01:49.:01:55.

13. Then we see the weather front sinking southwards, and once again

:01:56.:01:59.

on Wednesday, a mixture of rights bells, sunshine and showers, with

:02:00.:02:01.

the rain slowly coming southwards through the day.

:02:02.:02:09.

It's Monday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:02:10.:02:16.

Our top today: Thousands of police officers will line the streets

:02:17.:02:20.

the Westminster terror victim PC Keith Palmer.

:02:21.:02:24.

We've been hearing from those who served with him.

:02:25.:02:24.

Very selfless. He would do whatever was required.

:02:25.:02:34.

One of the kindest people you'll ever find.

:02:35.:02:39.

And I'm in Southwark where the roads have already been closed off for the

:02:40.:02:44.

funeral at the cathedral here this afternoon. The service will be both

:02:45.:02:49.

a public memorial and a private family funeral.

:02:50.:02:53.

Also on the programme: The people who take a tiny dose of psychedelic

:02:54.:02:56.

So-called micro-dosing is illegal, and there's no medical evidence

:02:57.:02:59.

to say what kind of harm it could cause.

:03:00.:03:02.

I had learned that are really useful nice thing to do with it would be to

:03:03.:03:12.

have it on a day off and have quite a normal day, but the quality of

:03:13.:03:16.

that day on all sorts of France would just be a lot better.

:03:17.:03:24.

More from her shortly, and the possible dangers.

:03:25.:03:32.

And this image of a woman standing up to an English Defence League

:03:33.:03:35.

protestor in Birmingham has said she was "surprised" when it went

:03:36.:03:38.

We will speak to Saffiyah Khan before 11.

:03:39.:03:46.

Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:03:47.:03:49.

Thousands of police officers from across the UK are expected

:03:50.:03:51.

at the funeral of PC Keith Palmer, who was killed in the

:03:52.:03:54.

Westminster terror attack. The 48-year-old was stabbed to death

:03:55.:03:56.

by Khalid Masood as he stood guard outside the Palace of Westminster.

:03:57.:04:02.

Officers from across the country will line the route

:04:03.:04:04.

to Southwark Cathedral, where a full police

:04:05.:04:06.

Danya -- Daniela Relph is there. The roads around Southwark Cathedral

:04:07.:04:17.

have been closed off in preparation for the funeral at two o'clock this

:04:18.:04:23.

afternoon. Police officers have been brought into various compounds.

:04:24.:04:28.

There will be around 5000 places for police officers from around the

:04:29.:04:30.

country to pay their respects to Keith Palmer. Train companies have

:04:31.:04:38.

offered free travel to police officers coming to the funeral

:04:39.:04:42.

today. It is a huge event for the police service. Keith Palmer died a

:04:43.:04:48.

very public death, and there is a sense that today will be in some

:04:49.:04:52.

ways a public memorial, but we also have to remember that this is also

:04:53.:04:56.

going to have to be an intimate, private family funeral for his wife,

:04:57.:05:01.

his daughter, his parents and brothers and sisters who will be

:05:02.:05:07.

here. The very Reverend Andrew Nunn, Dean of Southwark, will be mindful

:05:08.:05:12.

of that when he leaves the service at two o'clock this afternoon.

:05:13.:05:16.

Daniella, many thanks, more on that this afternoon.

:05:17.:05:23.

Foreign Ministers from the G7 leading nations

:05:24.:05:25.

Boris Johnson is meeting with other leaders. Labour's spokesperson on

:05:26.:05:38.

foreign affairs told Victoria the international community needs to

:05:39.:05:43.

focus on the long-term solution. What we have seen is a major falling

:05:44.:05:47.

out between America and Russia which pulls the parties apart and further

:05:48.:05:52.

away from the table, and nobody believes you can win this war. There

:05:53.:05:57.

has to be a political settlement, and there has to be a long-term

:05:58.:06:03.

solution, and so by upping the rhetoric of hitting the headlines,

:06:04.:06:06.

Boris Johnson me feel good today, but he isn't actually helping, I

:06:07.:06:10.

don't think, with a long-term solution when it comes to what will

:06:11.:06:11.

happen to Syria. The BBC has uncovered evidence that

:06:12.:06:16.

appears to implicate the Bank of England in the so-called

:06:17.:06:18.

Libor scandal. A secret recording from 2008

:06:19.:06:20.

obtained by Panorama suggests it repeatedly pressured commercial

:06:21.:06:22.

banks to push down the rates at which they charged

:06:23.:06:25.

each other interest. Here's our economics

:06:26.:06:27.

correspondent Andy Verity. Police in Manchester have launched

:06:28.:06:34.

extra patrols in the city centre, after receiving a surge in calls

:06:35.:06:37.

about people passing out from taking Greater Manchester Police said

:06:38.:06:40.

they dealt with 31 calls relating to the drug in 24 hours after it

:06:41.:06:43.

launched a two-day banning It's been reported that

:06:44.:06:46.

the substance left some users That's a summary of

:06:47.:06:49.

the latest BBC News. Let me read you some comments on

:06:50.:07:07.

micro-dosing. Gail, an officer at Durham Police, says it is

:07:08.:07:12.

interesting and worrying. Class a possession is unlawful. Alan Taylor

:07:13.:07:17.

says they are idiots and forgetting the stuff stays in your system for

:07:18.:07:20.

life, and Daniel says this is just drug addiction leading torsos of

:07:21.:07:25.

problems. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

:07:26.:07:29.

Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you'll be charged

:07:30.:07:32.

The big story this morning is from golf, where Sergio Garcia has

:07:33.:07:41.

finally won his first championship. He had to do it via a tense play-off

:07:42.:07:48.

with England's Justin Rose. Garcia is the third Spaniard to win at

:07:49.:07:51.

Augusta on what was a particularly poignant day. Watch out for some

:07:52.:07:55.

flash photography, not as Tim Hague reports.

:07:56.:08:00.

Some things are just written, and Sergio Garcia winning a first major

:08:01.:08:04.

on the day his inspiration, the late Seve Ballesteros, would have turned

:08:05.:08:12.

60, is one of them. To do it on his 60th birthday, and to join him and

:08:13.:08:23.

allow my two idols in golf, it is amazing. I felt the calmest I have

:08:24.:08:29.

ever felt on a major Sunday. I am so happy. The battle he had with Justin

:08:30.:08:33.

Rose was among the finest in Masters history. No one Arscott close to

:08:34.:08:36.

them, this was simply a two horse race for the title. But with both an

:08:37.:08:42.

eight under par going to the final nine holes, the Spaniard seemed to

:08:43.:08:48.

collapse, finding trees, rough and even a spot in there. He needed

:08:49.:08:51.

something special on the 15th, and he found it. , Tata and the trees of

:08:52.:09:00.

Augusta -- COMMENTATOR: And the trees of

:09:01.:09:07.

Augusta Shaikh with the noise. And with three holes to play, they

:09:08.:09:12.

were both nine under. Yet these Ryder Cup team-mates kept going,

:09:13.:09:22.

onto the final green equally impressive, neither deserved to

:09:23.:09:31.

lose, and neither would, meaning a sudden-death play-off. This putt for

:09:32.:09:35.

that major. At the 74th attempt, Sergio Garcia

:09:36.:09:47.

has mastered the majors, and he leaves with the green jacket. S

:09:48.:09:55.

Garcia pointing to the sky in honour of Seve, and he certainly had the

:09:56.:10:00.

support of their sons: And of course world number two Rory

:10:01.:10:16.

McIlroy added: So, Garcia is the nearly man no

:10:17.:10:32.

more, and prior to this year, he had finished in the top ten of a major

:10:33.:10:39.

22 times. It has taken him 74 attempts to finally win one, the

:10:40.:10:43.

most of any champion, beating Tom Kite who won the US open after 72,

:10:44.:10:48.

and in terms of prize money, he is ?1.6 million richer today, and maybe

:10:49.:10:53.

a consolation of a Justin Rose, he pockets ?960,000. We have been

:10:54.:11:00.

playing golf against one another since we were 14 years of age, so we

:11:01.:11:04.

are both going to get up tomorrow morning and our careers will go on.

:11:05.:11:09.

He will be happy for a month and then golf will take over, and I will

:11:10.:11:13.

be disappointed for months and then golf will take over and we will

:11:14.:11:17.

carry on. There are many more objectives this year that I will

:11:18.:11:24.

look forward to, the US Open, local championships. This was the

:11:25.:11:27.

highlight of the spring and a target for a long time, and I was

:11:28.:11:31.

disappointed to come so close, but the year is only getting going now.

:11:32.:11:34.

It is indeed, three more majors of the year still to come, the next one

:11:35.:11:38.

is the US open in June. Thank you, Jess. Welcome to the programme if

:11:39.:11:42.

you have just tuned in. Thousands of police officers

:11:43.:11:47.

are expected to line the streets of central London for the funeral

:11:48.:11:49.

procession of PC Keith Palmer who was murdered in the attack

:11:50.:11:52.

in Westminster last month. The 48-year-old father of one

:11:53.:11:55.

was stabbed by Khalid Masood His coffin will be taken

:11:56.:11:57.

from a chapel beneath the Houses of Parliament to Southwark cathedral

:11:58.:12:02.

for a full police service funeral. A two-minute silence will be held

:12:03.:12:05.

by forces across the country. PC Shaun Cartwright and PC

:12:06.:12:08.

Greg Rainey were friends and colleagues of PC Palmer and say

:12:09.:12:10.

he will be greatly missed. As a police officer,

:12:11.:12:17.

I never came across someone There was not a day that went

:12:18.:12:19.

by when Keith would be in work And, at the end of the day,

:12:20.:12:28.

Keith would still be sitting there, The reason Keith came

:12:29.:12:37.

to work was for his family but he was so proud to be

:12:38.:12:42.

a police officer. He came up to join me at the Palace

:12:43.:12:47.

of Westminster and he absolutely He loved the interaction

:12:48.:12:50.

with the public. He had a way of communicating

:12:51.:12:56.

with people from all walks of life, from the Lords and the baronesses

:12:57.:12:59.

that worked up there, He was popular amongst

:13:00.:13:03.

all of the staff up there. Since I've been working back

:13:04.:13:08.

at the Houses of Parliament since, the messages that people

:13:09.:13:18.

from all over the country have given in support of Keith and his family,

:13:19.:13:21.

has been an amazing tribute, I suppose, to Keith,

:13:22.:13:24.

and the way he was and he behaved. Keith could deal with any situation

:13:25.:13:32.

that was thrown at him. You always knew Keith

:13:33.:13:36.

would be there. He was that one who would always be

:13:37.:13:39.

professional, so dedicated. He never sort of took

:13:40.:13:44.

his foot off the gas. It was not just a job to Keith,

:13:45.:13:48.

being a police officer. He was so proud to

:13:49.:13:52.

look out for people. I think that showed

:13:53.:13:59.

as well in his time Very proud to, I suppose,

:14:00.:14:08.

wear the Crown. It was a job he loved

:14:09.:14:12.

doing as a policeman. Chief Constable Sara Thorton

:14:13.:14:19.

is the head of the National She says the scale of the police

:14:20.:14:21.

funeral is unprecedented. I don't think we will ever see a

:14:22.:14:41.

police funeral of this size. Officers are coming from all over

:14:42.:14:44.

the country to line the route. At two o'clock this afternoon, outside

:14:45.:14:48.

police stations across the country, officers will observe two-minutes'

:14:49.:14:56.

silence. We will want to observe the sacrifice he made. How does it

:14:57.:14:59.

affect officers when one of their own is killed in the line of duty?

:15:00.:15:04.

It affect them enormously. There is a tremendous amount of pride.

:15:05.:15:07.

Keith didn't hesitate to act when confronted

:15:08.:15:09.

His bravery and his courage are something that all officers are very

:15:10.:15:13.

But also there's a tremendous sense of sadness and of loss, and a

:15:14.:15:19.

feeling that it could have been anybody, and it was Keith.

:15:20.:15:22.

So, the funeral will also be an opportunity

:15:23.:15:24.

for the police family to come together, to grieve together, but

:15:25.:15:27.

also to show support, in particular to Keith's

:15:28.:15:30.

family, his friends, and his close colleagues.

:15:31.:15:37.

Lying in rest in the Chapel of St Mary Undercroft is a rare honour

:15:38.:15:44.

that needs the Queen's consent. Does this act highlight the strength of

:15:45.:15:49.

feeling? It has had a tremendous impact on colleagues. Officers do a

:15:50.:15:56.

very difficult job every day, and sometimes they can feel it is a

:15:57.:16:00.

thankless task, and the fact that he has laid in rest in the Palace of

:16:01.:16:05.

Westminster is an acknowledgement on behalf of the whole country of the

:16:06.:16:09.

sacrifice that he made, but also the job that officers do day in, day out

:16:10.:16:16.

across the country. Can I ask you where the review of security at the

:16:17.:16:17.

Palace of Westminster is up to now? Starmer I don't know where the

:16:18.:16:28.

review is, but it is right that some people who know all the facts have a

:16:29.:16:31.

look at what happened and see if there are any lessons that can be

:16:32.:16:36.

learnt and things can be done differently. The threat from

:16:37.:16:40.

terrorism is severe which means a threat is likely so we have to

:16:41.:16:45.

remain vigilant. The killing of PC Palmer led some to argue that more

:16:46.:16:48.

police officers should be armed with guns. What's your position on that

:16:49.:16:51.

as head of the national police chiefs council? Well, the British

:16:52.:16:57.

policing model is based on most officers being unarmed and we're

:16:58.:17:03.

proud of that. Every chief constable is responsible for doing a review on

:17:04.:17:07.

the threat and risk in his or her area and making sure there is

:17:08.:17:10.

sufficient armed officers to deal with the threat. I think that we

:17:11.:17:14.

would want to consider very carefully any options which moved

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away from that. PC Palmer's name will be added

:17:16.:17:21.

to the several thousand other officers who have lost their lives

:17:22.:17:23.

in the line of duty in a special ceremony

:17:24.:17:26.

at the National Police Memorial Denis Rowan is from The Police Roll

:17:27.:17:28.

of Honour Trust will be there, but before he heads along

:17:29.:17:46.

to the service we can speak to him Tell us about adding PC Palmer's

:17:47.:17:55.

name to the Roll of Honour? The police national memorial holds the

:17:56.:17:58.

names of all police officers that have fallen and this morning we're

:17:59.:18:03.

adding PC Palmer's name to the Roll of Honour and in the future we will

:18:04.:18:11.

be placing a memorial as like Yvonne Fletcher and 45 other officers as a

:18:12.:18:16.

permanent reminder of the ultimate sacrifice that these officers have

:18:17.:18:23.

given the citizens of the UK. And you were an officer in Greater

:18:24.:18:28.

Manchester. You worked on the case of murdered PC Stephen Oak. This is

:18:29.:18:32.

another reminder that police officers go to work in the morning

:18:33.:18:35.

and sometimes may not come home? Yes. I wasn't a police officer. I

:18:36.:18:43.

worked with Michael Winner for 45 years, I worked with the

:18:44.:18:46.

Metropolitan Police, but it is true, we've dealt with all the families

:18:47.:18:53.

over the past 40 years and we come up against all the problems of the

:18:54.:18:57.

families and we look after the families and we become personal

:18:58.:19:01.

friends to them like Michael was. It's a very difficult situation for

:19:02.:19:09.

the trust, but we always put the family first when the trust is

:19:10.:19:13.

placed. They come first during the event and afterwards we look after

:19:14.:19:19.

them. We are honoured to this in Michael name. Thank you very much

:19:20.:19:22.

for talking to us morning. Thank you very much.

:19:23.:19:29.

The beautiful, peaceful great barrier reef, but now unprecedented

:19:30.:19:32.

We'll be asking a climate expert what we can do to stop it.

:19:33.:19:43.

Next this morning - the 30-year fight for justice.

:19:44.:19:48.

Kris Maharaj was a multi-millionaire and one

:19:49.:19:50.

of Britain's richest businessmen when he was sentenced

:19:51.:19:51.

for a double murder more than 30 years ago.

:19:52.:19:54.

He's been serving a life sentence in a United States jail since 1986,

:19:55.:20:00.

for the murders of two men in a Miami hotel room,

:20:01.:20:03.

although he has always maintained his innocence.

:20:04.:20:04.

The case is seen by many as a miscarriage of justice,

:20:05.:20:07.

and now, lawyers say they're more confident than ever that his

:20:08.:20:10.

conviction will be overturned and he'll walk out of prison

:20:11.:20:12.

They'll present new evidence to try and prove his innocence at an appeal

:20:13.:20:17.

78-year-old Kris Maharaj's wife, who has stood by him

:20:18.:20:21.

for over 30 years, is desperate to have her husband back

:20:22.:20:24.

Marita Maharaj joins us now from Florida on a phone line.

:20:25.:20:35.

As does Clive Stafford Smith, Kris Maharaj's lawyer

:20:36.:20:37.

who has found evidence to support his client's innocence.

:20:38.:20:49.

Tell our audience about this case and why you say it is a miscarriage

:20:50.:20:55.

of justice? Chris was convicted and sentenced to death back then in 1986

:20:56.:21:00.

and over the years I've represented him now for 24 years. I had no grey

:21:01.:21:06.

hair at the time I began! And we've gradually developed more and more

:21:07.:21:10.

evidence, first the six alibi witnesses that show he's somewhere

:21:11.:21:13.

else at the time of the crime, but then in the end, we managed to

:21:14.:21:20.

develop a whole number of people who were working for the Columbian drug

:21:21.:21:24.

cartels who say hey, that wasn't Kris Maharaj, that was one of ours.

:21:25.:21:27.

We were the ones who did that murder because the victims were involved in

:21:28.:21:35.

drugs and they owed a lot of money. Why would those involved in drug

:21:36.:21:40.

cartels in Columbia just admit that? Well, it wasn't easy. Let me tell

:21:41.:21:44.

you. I spent a lot of time going around the deep south sh the

:21:45.:21:48.

different prisons and then with help from other people went to Columbia

:21:49.:21:51.

and there are a lot of other people who say this is true, but are not

:21:52.:21:56.

willing to go on the record, but six people did go on the record and they

:21:57.:22:00.

include for example two informants who were working for the federal

:22:01.:22:05.

Government. One was a CIA informant who says that he learned from one of

:22:06.:22:10.

the cartel people at the time of the murders that they'd done the crime

:22:11.:22:13.

and he just couldn't believe that Kris Maharaj had been sent to Death

:22:14.:22:18.

Row for it when the central Government knew all along that he

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didn't do it. You've worked on this case for as you say, a number of

:22:22.:22:26.

decades now, but why have you always believed in his innocence? Well, I

:22:27.:22:30.

went down at the request of the British Government actually back in

:22:31.:22:36.

1993 to see Chris and I went with my scepticism fully intact and I met

:22:37.:22:40.

Chris. And he just is a straight up guy. I believed him when he told me

:22:41.:22:45.

that he had nothing to do with it. You know one of the most compelling

:22:46.:22:49.

things to me is when the jury came back and convicted him, he passed

:22:50.:22:54.

out. He fainted. He simply could not believe that these 12 jurors had

:22:55.:22:59.

found him guilty, but, of course that was only the very beginning and

:23:00.:23:02.

it was then when I started to investigate the case back then I

:23:03.:23:06.

discovered this mountain of information that the Government had

:23:07.:23:10.

covered up and there were the other bizarre things. Let's face it the

:23:11.:23:14.

trial judge was arrested on day three of the trial because he

:23:15.:23:18.

himself had been involved in a thing where he was taking money from

:23:19.:23:25.

people who purported to be drug cartel folk, but were Florida law

:23:26.:23:29.

enforcement and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs and the

:23:30.:23:32.

trial continued. Just remarkable stuff. This new evidence, haven't

:23:33.:23:36.

you present it had before November 2014 and you had it turned down

:23:37.:23:41.

effectively? We went to State Court, not with all of the evidence, but a

:23:42.:23:45.

certain amount of it and the State judge refused to grant a new trial.

:23:46.:23:50.

I should say in my entire career and I've represented hundreds of people

:23:51.:23:54.

on Death Row, I have never had an elected state judge order a trial

:23:55.:23:59.

through a prisoner on Death Row. That's not to impune them as human

:24:00.:24:11.

beings, but it they are elected. I hope that we're going to get more

:24:12.:24:15.

justice in that courtroom. How optimistic are you? Apart from your

:24:16.:24:23.

sin veer hope? Well, I hate to make promises particularly for his wife

:24:24.:24:27.

and Chris. I have said for so many years, we're going to win. This time

:24:28.:24:32.

the judges will do justice and I really thought notwithstanding my

:24:33.:24:34.

history that the State judge would grant a new trial. So I said to his

:24:35.:24:40.

wife I really hope that we will have you guys home in London by

:24:41.:24:45.

Christmas, but in September 1914, that's what they said about World

:24:46.:24:49.

War I, I don't want to be too optimistic. Optimistic about it. How

:24:50.:24:56.

optimistic are you that this will lead to your husband being freed?

:24:57.:25:04.

Well, I'm very optimistic for Chris. We really believe and hope that this

:25:05.:25:12.

will be the end of our nightmare. You, of course, we are also worried

:25:13.:25:22.

because we have so many times that we thought... That he was coming

:25:23.:25:35.

home, not through the fault of the lawyers, but what happened in court.

:25:36.:25:39.

I was going to ask you if you can tell us or tell our British audience

:25:40.:25:44.

what kind of toll the last 30 years have taken on you, your husband and

:25:45.:25:50.

your wider family? Well, it has been horrible. I cannot explain it

:25:51.:25:56.

because nobody, unless you go through it, I don't think you can

:25:57.:26:00.

understand it and you can believe that the things that we went

:26:01.:26:04.

through. And we are going through at the moment.

:26:05.:26:08.

It's very, very hard. Chris lost his - they took him away

:26:09.:26:24.

for three months. I didn't know if he was dead or alive. A really,

:26:25.:26:31.

really horrible situation and it is a horrible situation. I just try to

:26:32.:26:39.

survive like Chris. We do have hope. We do believe that God will not -

:26:40.:26:52.

will free him. If he is freed, will you both come back to the UK?

:26:53.:27:03.

Immediately. OK, thank you. Clive Stafford-Smith as Kris Maharaj's

:27:04.:27:05.

lawyer, what can you tell us about the man you believe is ultimately

:27:06.:27:10.

responsible for the double murder in the Miami hotel room? Well, this is

:27:11.:27:16.

all a shocking story. One of the witnesses we have to TV was a

:27:17.:27:24.

federal informant who was a pilot for him and in Kris Maharaj, in 1986

:27:25.:27:31.

he was at his farm and he was telling him you better behave

:27:32.:27:34.

yourself or I'll tell you what's going to happen to you and then he

:27:35.:27:37.

went on to say the same will happen to you as happened to those people

:27:38.:27:42.

who were killed in the hotel in Miami. There is a series of facts

:27:43.:27:51.

like that. Now, you know, the Guy who really did has a nicknamed

:27:52.:27:58.

called The Blade. He was later kidnapped by some other drug cartel

:27:59.:28:02.

opponents. They tortured him and then they fed him through a wood

:28:03.:28:12.

chipping machine. Pretty horrific things went on back then and Kris

:28:13.:28:18.

was collateral damage in the process. We will see what happens.

:28:19.:28:22.

Thank you very much, Clive Stafford-Smith who is Kris Maharaj

:28:23.:28:27.

Kris Maharaj's lawyer and you heard from Kris Maharaj's wife who said if

:28:28.:28:31.

he is finally released, they say, it is a miscarriage of justice, if he

:28:32.:28:37.

is finally released they will return to their home, Britain, immediately.

:28:38.:28:44.

We'll talk to the people who microdose illegal drugs,

:28:45.:28:47.

And this image of a woman smiling at an English Defence League

:28:48.:28:54.

protestor in Birmingham has gone viral.

:28:55.:28:58.

She revealed she wasn't scared in the slightest.

:28:59.:29:04.

We'll talk to Saffiyah Khan about why she intervened.

:29:05.:29:10.

Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:29:11.:29:13.

Thousands of police officers from across the UK are expected

:29:14.:29:15.

at the funeral of PC Keith Palmer, who was killed

:29:16.:29:17.

The 48-year-old was stabbed to death by Khalid Masood as he stood guard

:29:18.:29:23.

Officers from across the country will line the route

:29:24.:29:29.

to Southwark Cathedral, where a full police

:29:30.:29:31.

He had a way of communicating with people from all walks of life, the

:29:32.:29:44.

cleaners, the MPs, the security officers, the people on the streets.

:29:45.:29:48.

Since I have been working back at the Houses of Parliament since, the

:29:49.:29:56.

messages from people all over the country have given in support of

:29:57.:30:00.

Keith and his family, it has been an amazing tribute to Keith and the way

:30:01.:30:05.

that he was and the way that he behaved.

:30:06.:30:08.

The UK is pushing for new sanctions on Russia if it

:30:09.:30:11.

maintains its staunch support for Syrian President

:30:12.:30:13.

The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is meeting with other

:30:14.:30:17.

G7 leaders in Italy to discuss the situation - particularly

:30:18.:30:19.

after last week's chemical attack in Syria that left more

:30:20.:30:21.

The BBC has uncovered evidence that appears to implicate the Bank

:30:22.:30:30.

of England in the so-called Libor scandal.

:30:31.:30:32.

A secret recording from 2008 obtained by Panorama suggests it

:30:33.:30:35.

repeatedly pressured commercial banks to push down the rates

:30:36.:30:37.

at which they charged each other interest.

:30:38.:30:39.

Here's our economics correspondent Andy Verity.

:30:40.:30:50.

Police in Manchester have launched extra patrols in the city centre,

:30:51.:30:53.

after receiving a surge in calls about people passing out from taking

:30:54.:30:56.

Greater Manchester Police said they dealt with 31 calls relating

:30:57.:31:00.

to the drug in 24 hours after it launched a two-day banning

:31:01.:31:02.

It's been reported that the substance left some users

:31:03.:31:05.

Australian scientists say two thirds of the Great Barrier Reef

:31:06.:31:11.

has now been devastated by severe coral bleaching.

:31:12.:31:13.

It's caused by rising water temperatures, and researchers say

:31:14.:31:15.

surveys show an accelerated rate of damage along the

:31:16.:31:18.

Mass bleaching makes the coral fragile and can kill it.

:31:19.:31:23.

Victoria will be discussing this story before 11 this morning. Stay

:31:24.:31:26.

with us for that. Join me for BBC Newsroom

:31:27.:31:30.

live at 11 o'clock. Thank you, Reeta. This person says,

:31:31.:31:59.

with regards to micro-dosing, it is neither addicting nor dangerous, ban

:32:00.:32:00.

alcohol which is both. This person says, I know many people who

:32:01.:32:02.

micro-dose on a basis, and this is the best way to control depression

:32:03.:32:03.

and anti-social tendencies. Sergio Garcia has won his first

:32:04.:32:18.

major. Manchester United keep Sunderland pegged to the bottom of

:32:19.:32:22.

the table and move up to fifth. Everton ended Leicester's winning

:32:23.:32:30.

run with a 4-2 victory, Romelu Lukaku is now the Premier League's

:32:31.:32:35.

top scorer. At wasps left it late against Northampton to win - 30, a

:32:36.:32:39.

last-minute try and conversion with the last kick of the game as wasps

:32:40.:32:43.

stay top of the premiership. That is all your support for today. Thank

:32:44.:32:46.

you, Jess. It's illegal and there's no medical

:32:47.:32:50.

evidence to say what kind of harm it could cause you,

:32:51.:32:53.

so why are some people doing it? We're talking about micro-dosing -

:32:54.:32:56.

when you take a tiny amount of psychedelic drugs -

:32:57.:32:58.

LSD or magic mushrooms usually - Our reporter Catrin Nye has been

:32:59.:33:01.

meeting the people that do it. We played you her

:33:02.:33:05.

full report earlier. Psychedelic drugs,

:33:06.:33:07.

LSD, magic mushrooms, are usually associated

:33:08.:33:13.

with long, mind-bending trips. Some people though are now taking

:33:14.:33:15.

the Class A drugs in tiny doses. They argue it improves their day

:33:16.:33:18.

but also, in some cases, helps deal Anna, whose name I've

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changed, is a mum of two. She's tried micro-dosing with LSD

:33:22.:33:34.

and magic mushrooms in the past. I had learned that a really useful,

:33:35.:33:37.

nice thing to do with it would be to have it on a day off and have

:33:38.:33:42.

quite a normal day. But the quality of that day,

:33:43.:33:49.

on all sorts of fronts, So, I would go for a walk

:33:50.:33:51.

and I would be struck All those bits of sense data,

:33:52.:33:55.

that I think we often just lose, to getting stuff done

:33:56.:34:01.

and being outcome-focused, would be There's something relaxing

:34:02.:34:03.

and grounding about it. Simpa micro-doses regularly

:34:04.:34:11.

with LSD and says it helps Can you tell me what you're dealing

:34:12.:34:13.

with, and how it helps? Depression and anxiety as a result

:34:14.:34:22.

of this childhood trauma that led to borderline personality disorder

:34:23.:34:25.

and post-traumatic stress disorder. So, all of these things together,

:34:26.:34:30.

are currently dealt with by GPs with a large amount of different

:34:31.:34:33.

pills, each of which causes more side effects, I find

:34:34.:34:36.

in my personal experience, than the benefits

:34:37.:34:44.

these drugs provide. These substances, I've found,

:34:45.:34:49.

give me the benefits There has recently been a cautious

:34:50.:34:52.

revival in scientific trials James Rucker was recently

:34:53.:34:57.

involved in a pilot trial at Imperial College London

:34:58.:35:01.

looking at the use of magic It did not, however,

:35:02.:35:03.

look at micro-dosing. Micro-dosing, we know,

:35:04.:35:07.

at a medical level, There have been no trials looking

:35:08.:35:09.

at micro-dosing at all, so we do not know whether there

:35:10.:35:15.

are any benefits associated with it, or indeed if there are any

:35:16.:35:19.

harms associated with it. The only way that we can sort out

:35:20.:35:21.

whether or not it works or it doesn't is by doing a blinded

:35:22.:35:25.

placebo-controlled randomised trial. The definition of a micro-dose

:35:26.:35:31.

is you don't notice the subjective effect, but that doesn't mean

:35:32.:35:34.

it is not having any effect on you. As well as this, the drugs

:35:35.:35:37.

being used are Class A. Possession can result in up

:35:38.:35:40.

to seven years in prison. How do you justify this fact

:35:41.:35:43.

that it is completely illegal? When you're doing something

:35:44.:35:48.

that is not causing any harm to anybody else, there's nothing

:35:49.:35:52.

really that needs to We can talk now to two

:35:53.:35:54.

people who featured We're not using their full names

:35:55.:36:06.

for obvious reasons. Simpa, who micro-doses

:36:07.:36:10.

LSD and occassionally And "Anna", which isn't her real

:36:11.:36:12.

name, and has tried micro-dosing In our Salford studio

:36:13.:36:15.

we have Harry Sumnall, a Professor in Substance Use,

:36:16.:36:19.

at the Public Health Institute, Simpa, how did you start

:36:20.:36:31.

experimenting with small doses? I experimented with recreational drugs

:36:32.:36:34.

first of all, and then found that these were having almost a positive

:36:35.:36:37.

hangover from the effects, and from there got the inclination to start

:36:38.:36:42.

experimenting with small increments, and stuck to a quite routine I have

:36:43.:36:46.

got to know with LST. What do you mean, a good routine? I divide up a

:36:47.:36:53.

little tablet, cut it into a tour ten pieces, 15-20 milligrams each,

:36:54.:36:59.

and take one of them over a period of a week, one per day, and it

:37:00.:37:04.

revitalises my mood, it invigorates me and helps battle the traditional

:37:05.:37:08.

symptoms go with depression and anxiety. How long have you been

:37:09.:37:13.

doing this for? Two or three years, I would say. A number of people are

:37:14.:37:17.

saying, it starts off with a tiny amount, but it is going to increase,

:37:18.:37:21.

that is what happens with drugs. That is what happens with most rugs,

:37:22.:37:28.

I suppose, but with LST, it doesn't compound. You don't get the

:37:29.:37:30.

tolerance build-up from excessive use. You can't stack it high-dose,

:37:31.:37:37.

you couldn't take one tablet every day, by the third day you wouldn't

:37:38.:37:42.

get the traditional high. Have you tried other ways of getting that

:37:43.:37:48.

kind of mini highlight exercise? I meditate, I do yoga, I am also vegan

:37:49.:37:53.

so I control through diet, and these control similar parts of the brain

:37:54.:37:56.

that these drugs help, so in conjunction with micro-dosing, I

:37:57.:38:00.

find these other activities help. You have no idea long-term what this

:38:01.:38:05.

will do to you? I don't, but I have lived for two decades with

:38:06.:38:09.

depression and other conditions that have been frankly crippling, and

:38:10.:38:13.

through utilising the substances in cannabis and MDMA, I have been able

:38:14.:38:17.

to create a workable daily routine that allows me to maximise the

:38:18.:38:24.

positives of my life while still unfortunately being ill and waiting

:38:25.:38:27.

for psychiatric treatment. What about the fact that it is illegal?

:38:28.:38:32.

Legality isn't a measure of morality in terms of what is legal isn't

:38:33.:38:39.

always right. Slavery was legal. Apartheid was legal. I think in the

:38:40.:38:43.

next decade or two, drug prohibition won't exist the does though, we will

:38:44.:38:47.

understand that the substances are just tools. So you decide which laws

:38:48.:38:53.

you follow? I follow my own moral compost in that if I don't harm

:38:54.:38:56.

anybody else and I'm not harming myself as far as I know, there have

:38:57.:39:00.

been no studies and trials, but LST is being experimented with since it

:39:01.:39:05.

was first synthesised. Let me bring in Harris on the. What are the

:39:06.:39:15.

problems that you can see here? With all drugs, many of the harmful

:39:16.:39:20.

effects are potentially dose-related, so if micro-dosing you

:39:21.:39:24.

are talking about very small doses, but if you look at LST and

:39:25.:39:29.

psychedelics in general, there is a small risk it might unmask latent

:39:30.:39:36.

psychopathology, and with potential health issues to begin with, that

:39:37.:39:41.

can cause a problem, but in general, interesting studies from the United

:39:42.:39:44.

States looking at some of the big health household studies, that has

:39:45.:39:49.

generally shown that people who have a lifetime history of use of the

:39:50.:39:52.

substances don't tend to be reporting more symptoms or seeking

:39:53.:39:57.

more mental health support than people who have never used it. For

:39:58.:40:03.

me, some of the problems, perhaps some of the most pertinent problems

:40:04.:40:07.

are related to the illegal status of the drugs. There are class I drugs

:40:08.:40:16.

that potentially carry a penalty of up to seven years imprisonment and

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an unlimited fine, but a big issue particularly with LST is where the

:40:21.:40:24.

drug is coming from. Can you be sure of your source? Over the last few

:40:25.:40:29.

years we have had a few concerns over a class of drugs called on the

:40:30.:40:39.

street M-bombs, and they have been associated with a number of deaths,

:40:40.:40:42.

not just here but internationally in the United States and Australia as

:40:43.:40:45.

well, so I think perhaps one of the biggest concerns is buying and using

:40:46.:40:51.

a drug which you didn't intend, a drug which is potentially more

:40:52.:40:59.

harmful than LST itself. And an point, Simpa, you say it doesn't

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harm anybody else, but you know that when it comes to illegal drugs, all

:41:03.:41:08.

sorts of expectation goes on, plenty of people are harmed, people are

:41:09.:41:13.

exploited, traffic, abused, etc. But those are consequence of

:41:14.:41:15.

prohibition, not the drugs themselves. If these drugs were

:41:16.:41:21.

regulated like caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, the effect that they would

:41:22.:41:26.

have on society would be less, and people would be in these academic

:41:27.:41:30.

institutions open... That they are not legal, so people are abused and

:41:31.:41:36.

exploited, etc. As a consequence of prohibition. But people are being

:41:37.:41:44.

harmed. Yes, but not because of the drug itself. Anna, why did you start

:41:45.:41:54.

micro-dosing? I experienced the positive hangover from recreational

:41:55.:42:00.

drug use when I was much younger, and I alighted on it initially by

:42:01.:42:03.

accident as a student when I had more time to kill. And I realised

:42:04.:42:13.

that taking very small doses of LSD may be a lot happier at a time when

:42:14.:42:17.

I wasn't happy, and it seemed to have a calming and grounding effect

:42:18.:42:22.

on my mood and an ability to enjoy life and feel relaxed and be with

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people. And later on in life, living somewhere where magic mushrooms grow

:42:30.:42:36.

nearby, I was running a lot, and I noticed that they were there, and

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just out of curiosity, I tried eating one or two of them, and I

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found it had a similarly positive grounding levelling effect. And the

:42:47.:42:52.

illegality of it? That wasn't an issue for you, the fact that through

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the drugs trade, as I was making the point to Simpa, various people are

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exploited, abused, etc? I completely agree with Simpa about the fact that

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it is the illegality, the fact that the drugs trade is illegal, that

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forces those situations. Washrooms don't have to go through a dealer if

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they are growing on a hill nearby. And I would never keep anything

:43:25.:43:29.

illegal in my home, that is a risk I am not prepared to put up with. But

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when they were available, opportunistically, it was something

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that I would do, and it was a positive experience. OK. Harry, in

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terms of your message about micro-dosing, be clear, what is it?

:43:50.:43:55.

I think with micro-dosing, it is an untested practice. We saw in your

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film that there are investigations of higher doses of LSD taking place

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in Imperial college, but these investigations have taken place in a

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laboratory, with an on-site medical team, in a carefully controlled

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trial. Some of the stories we have been hearing are interested, and it

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is deserving of research, but whether it produces these profound

:44:20.:44:24.

changes that people are reporting in the general population, Isaac that

:44:25.:44:29.

requires further research. Thank you very much, thank you for your time,

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and thank you to Tipuric to and Anna as well.

:44:34.:44:37.

Is the Great Barrier Reef at a terminal stage?

:44:38.:44:41.

We will ask a climate expert what can be done to stop this

:44:42.:44:43.

Now, this photo of a woman smiling at an English Defence League

:44:44.:44:48.

protester in Birmingham has been shared thousands of times

:44:49.:44:51.

around the world since it was taken at the weekend.

:44:52.:44:55.

Saffiyah Khan says she intervened when she saw another woman

:44:56.:44:57.

The EDL claim she interrupted a minute's silence for

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We can now speak to Saffiyah Khan, who is featured in the photo,

:45:06.:45:13.

Instantaneously Tell us what you did and why? I ended up intervening

:45:14.:45:25.

because I saw a woman surrounded by quite a large group of EDL members

:45:26.:45:29.

and she looked quite intimidated and I don't think she was comfortable in

:45:30.:45:32.

that position and I wasn't comfortable with her being there

:45:33.:45:39.

either. What did you say? This that position, I couldn't really get to

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her physically so the most I could do was agree with her verbally in

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that I do believe they are racist as that's what she was saying as well

:45:49.:45:52.

and that's what I ended up doing and then I was identified as someone who

:45:53.:45:58.

opposed the EDL and it stemmed from there my involvement. So what were

:45:59.:46:05.

you saying verbally? I'm trying to imagine the scenario and the

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atmosphere? Personally I was saying racist scum off our streets.

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And do you know what was being said to her or what the attitude towards

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her was that led to you intervening? Yeah, well, it was, you're not

:46:25.:46:32.

British. Kind of, putting a lot of questions about Islam is a religion

:46:33.:46:36.

and the way it is carried out in various ways. She is not a

:46:37.:46:45.

spokesperson for a religion. The moment when you're close up to the

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EDL protestor, the photograph, shows you smiling. Did you have a

:46:51.:46:55.

conversation with that man? I mean there was very little conversation

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to be had. I think his aggression can be seen through the picture. I

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didn't say very much to him and I can't exactly remember what he was

:47:06.:47:08.

saying to me, but I think the puck ture afterwards kind of sums it up

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because his finger was in my face. It wasn't a pleasant interaction.

:47:15.:47:18.

How is it that you're smiling? Oh, how is it I'm smiling? Oh, I don't

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know. Sometimes it's more important to smile than to shout. I did a fair

:47:25.:47:29.

bit of shouting I'm under no delusion of that! It is a more

:47:30.:47:35.

powerful message a lot of the time. I read that your dad said he brought

:47:36.:47:40.

you and your sister up always to stand up to prejudice, is that

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right? 100%, yeah. Yeah. I mean, facing people like this, it's not

:47:48.:47:50.

something that I would want to do. I would love to live in a place where

:47:51.:47:57.

we didn't have vulnerable women put in these situations, but yeah,

:47:58.:48:00.

always stand up to it. I have no fear towards the EDL.

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Why do you have no fear? Physically, I'm not indim tated by them in the

:48:12.:48:17.

slightest. Its their own ideologies which are flawed and I can't feel

:48:18.:48:21.

intimidated by someone or a group of people who have opinions like that.

:48:22.:48:28.

There is, I don't feel intellectually intimidated. I don't

:48:29.:48:33.

feel fear for them. You know they say apparently you interrupted a

:48:34.:48:37.

minute's silence for terror attack victims.

:48:38.:48:42.

I'd like to make it very clear, people that know me, even at a very

:48:43.:48:48.

low level of understanding would tell you, would vouch for me in

:48:49.:48:52.

saying that a minute's silence held by anybody from either side, whether

:48:53.:48:59.

it be EDL or UDAF, but the video evidence shows it as well, there

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wasn't a minute's silence whilst I was there. It's a an attempt at

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smearing because the situation is in my favour. The Birmingham MP Jess

:49:11.:49:17.

Phillips, there are a number of tweets about you and the photograph

:49:18.:49:21.

and the one that's been picked up the most, who looks like they have

:49:22.:49:26.

power, the real Brummie or the EDL who migrated for the day to our city

:49:27.:49:31.

and failed to assimilate? As a message, the image, because of your

:49:32.:49:39.

smile, is powerful, isn't it? Yeah, I think, very unintentionally it

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became a very, very powerful picture and yeah it has been a strange

:49:43.:49:46.

experience for it to go viral as well.

:49:47.:49:49.

What do you think about the fact that it has gone viral, what does it

:49:50.:49:55.

say? Well, it kind of installs a hope about communities and the power

:49:56.:50:03.

of people who oppose EDL because often we see they are not people we

:50:04.:50:08.

can relate to. They look aggressive, they look like thugs, whereas when

:50:09.:50:13.

you see a girl who is quite young getting involved with things like

:50:14.:50:18.

this, more people are willing to help and support. It has had an

:50:19.:50:23.

amazing response. Thank you very much for talking to us. Saffiyah

:50:24.:50:28.

Khan, thank you very much. In 2016 the Government announced

:50:29.:50:45.

that gay and by sexual men convicted of now abolished sexual offences

:50:46.:50:50.

would receive pardons. George Montague was convicted in 1974 of

:50:51.:50:57.

gross indecency with a manment the conviction was repealed in May

:50:58.:51:00.

2004ment the 93-year-old who has fought for an apology has received

:51:01.:51:01.

one from the Home Office. Actually, understand that we offer

:51:02.:51:33.

this full apology, their treatment was entirely unfair. What happened

:51:34.:51:40.

to these men is a matter of the greatest regret and it should be so

:51:41.:51:45.

to all of us, it really made my day. I was over the moon and the wording

:51:46.:51:51.

is so wonderful and so explicit. Abject apology.

:51:52.:51:53.

From the Government. More on that on the World At One

:51:54.:52:04.

programme on Radio 4. Unprecedented coral bleaching

:52:05.:52:13.

in consecutive years has damaged two-thirds

:52:14.:52:14.

of Australia's Great Barrier Reef, The bleaching, or loss of algae,

:52:15.:52:16.

affects a 900 mile area of the reef. We can speak to Dr James Kerry

:52:17.:52:23.

from the National Coral Bleaching Hopefully we will talk to the owner

:52:24.:52:43.

of a marine and diving business. Good morning from us. Hi there.

:52:44.:52:47.

Explain to our British audience what coral bleaching is and how it

:52:48.:52:52.

happens. Coral bleaching occurs when a coral gets stressed and the coral

:52:53.:52:56.

have very small algae that live within them and they photo

:52:57.:53:05.

synthesise and give the coral food. The algae are colourful so the coral

:53:06.:53:11.

turns this white colour when the algae leave and that's what a

:53:12.:53:15.

bleached coral is. It is a coral without its algae that's begun to

:53:16.:53:19.

starve. Why is the algae getting excited or stressed? It's quite a

:53:20.:53:28.

complex relationship, but basically, when they get too hot, they become

:53:29.:53:34.

hyper reactive and produce toxins, but the coral host doesn't like it

:53:35.:53:37.

and it kicks them out. Why are they getting too hot? Well, we have found

:53:38.:53:46.

that the corals that are bleaching are bleaching in the areas where the

:53:47.:53:50.

seawater is abnormally hot and we believe that is a result of global

:53:51.:53:56.

warming and carbon emissions and that's the primary reason why we're

:53:57.:54:00.

seeing the coral bleaching events occurring more frequently and with

:54:01.:54:04.

more intensity. And why do you believe it is to do with man-made

:54:05.:54:10.

global warming? Well, the science is unequivocal. Carbon ems are causing

:54:11.:54:18.

a rapid increase in global temperatures that is unprecedented

:54:19.:54:21.

and you know there is plenty of information to demonstrate that.

:54:22.:54:28.

John Rumney, owner of Eye to Eye Marine Encounters,

:54:29.:54:30.

which runs diving and fishing tours on the Great Barrier Reef.

:54:31.:54:32.

Hello John. Can you hear me OK? Yes, very well. Welcome everyone. Thank

:54:33.:54:38.

you for talking to us. Tell us what difference you see under the water

:54:39.:54:46.

then? It's absolutely depressing. Last year, when you went out to the

:54:47.:54:53.

dive sites which were featured in the BBC and in the up and coming

:54:54.:55:00.

Blue Planet series, some of the best places on the Barrier Reef, you went

:55:01.:55:06.

back and there was 80% to 90% bleaching which does not mean that

:55:07.:55:11.

they're going to die, but they're certainly under stress and then

:55:12.:55:15.

after about two months of that, we then could really see what the

:55:16.:55:21.

mortality was and we had probably about 40% in this area of mortality

:55:22.:55:29.

of those reefs. So, just in a few months, you know, we basically lost

:55:30.:55:35.

40%, 50% of the healthy reef. So from a tourist prospective, which is

:55:36.:55:40.

your business obviously, what colours are tourists supposed to see

:55:41.:55:45.

and what are they seeing now? Well, there is all sorts of mauves and

:55:46.:55:55.

browns, but a brown coral is a very healthy coral. Depending on which

:55:56.:56:00.

kind of algae is living in the flesh of that coral, helps distinguish its

:56:01.:56:06.

colour. OK. So, first it when it gets stressed it will go this odd

:56:07.:56:13.

colour and then if it keeps stressing it will go white which is

:56:14.:56:18.

where it has expelled all of the algae. If that continues for a

:56:19.:56:24.

period of time, up to two to four weeks then often that coral would

:56:25.:56:30.

die. Let me bring Dr James Kerry back in.

:56:31.:56:35.

When are you going to know the full damage to the reef? When will that

:56:36.:56:42.

be? Yes, you know, this damage comes in phases. So, the corals that die

:56:43.:56:49.

from starvation from the loss of algae, that will become apparent

:56:50.:56:53.

within about six months, but you start to get other impacts like

:56:54.:56:57.

disease, the corals are stressed, they're weak so even the ones that

:56:58.:57:01.

recover from the bleaching maybe more susceptible to other impacts

:57:02.:57:05.

like disease that can actually, you know, cause a second kind of die

:57:06.:57:11.

off. So we're still monitoring the mortality that's occurred following

:57:12.:57:14.

the event last year and now we've got this second bleaching event and

:57:15.:57:19.

so, we need to continue to monitor the Great Barrier Reef over the next

:57:20.:57:23.

few years closely to see what the full I will pact of these two events

:57:24.:57:26.

is. Thank you both very much for coming on the programme.

:57:27.:57:32.

We will show you these pictures of PC Keith Palmer's name being added

:57:33.:57:40.

to the national police memorial in London. It is by Horse Guards

:57:41.:57:43.

Parade. Thousands of police officers from forces across the country will

:57:44.:57:46.

line the streets of Central London this afternoon for the funeral

:57:47.:57:50.

procession of the officer who, as you know, was murdered in last

:57:51.:57:54.

month's Westminster attack. PC Palmer was guarding the Houses of

:57:55.:57:58.

Parliament when he was stabbed on 22nd March. He will have a full

:57:59.:58:03.

police funeral this afternoon. Coverage on BBC News, of course, as

:58:04.:58:07.

you'd expect across the day. PHONE RINGS

:58:08.:58:32.

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:58:33.:58:35.

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where do I go, where do I start? Follow missing person

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