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It's Monday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
Our top today: Officers will line the street later as the funeral | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
is held for PC Keith Palmer, who was murdered in the attack | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
Friends and colleagues have been paying tribute. | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
One of the kindest people you'll ever find. | :00:26. | :00:26. | |
Very giving, very loyal, very true friend. | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
I am at Westminster, where tens of thousands are expected to line the | :00:29. | :00:41. | |
route of the funeral. Also on the programme - | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
micro-dosing is illegal, and there's no medical evidence | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
to say what kind of So why do some people think taking | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
a tiny amount of psychedelic drugs A large amount of different pills | :00:50. | :01:00. | |
each of which causes side-effects, and I find these substances give me | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
the benefits without any of those drawbacks. | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
And we'll talk to the woman in this viral photo who stood up | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
to the English Defence League at a protest in Birmingham. | :01:12. | :01:23. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11. | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
And we'll be talking to the wife of Kris Maharaj who has | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
spent 30 years fighting to clear her husband's name | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
after he was convicted of double murder in Florida. | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
New evidence means he could be out of prison by Christmas. | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you will be charged | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
The funeral of PC Keith Palmer, who was murdered in the terror | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
attack in Westminster last month, will be held this afternoon. | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
The 48-year-old was stabbed to death by Khalid Masood as he stood guard | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Officers from across the country will line the route | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
to Southwark Cathedral, where a full police | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
Yesterday, the coffin of PC Keith Palmer was brought | :02:13. | :02:23. | |
to the Palace of Westminster - the place where he worked, | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
the place he had been protecting when he was killed last month. | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
Overnight, an honour guard made up of members of the Parliamentary | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
Yesterday, the coffin of PC Keith Palmer was brought | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
and Diplomatic Protection Command has been watching over his | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
coffin in the chapel of St Mary Undercroft | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
PC Palmer's funeral is to be held at Southwark Cathedral this afternoon. | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Some of his colleagues who worked alongside him have | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
been paying tribute, describing him as hard-working | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
selfless, a dedicated officer who loved his job, | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
One of the kindest people you'll ever find. | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
Very giving, very loyal, a true friend. | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
He was so down-to-earth and so normal. | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
He came to work because he had a family to support. | :03:05. | :03:05. | |
That was all he ever wanted to do, be there for his family. | :03:06. | :03:18. | |
Officers from across the UK are expected to travel to London | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
to line the route of the funeral cortege from Westminster | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
Police forces will be holding two minutes' silence | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
to remember their fallen colleague, while flags on force headquarters | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
Our correspondent Keith Doyle is at Westminster. | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
What is going to happen in the next few hours? From a bright and sunny | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
Westminster, good morning, but it is a sombre day here, because this is | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
where the funeral cortege of PC Keith Palmer will start as it makes | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
it journey to Southwark Cathedral on the South bank of the River Thames. | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
Shortly after one o'clock, his body will be taken from the chapel, the | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
royal chapel in the Palace of Westminster where there has been a | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
police honour guard all night, every hour the guard changed with | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
colleagues standing guard over his coffin throughout the night. The | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
hearse will take his coffin passed the very point where he was stabbed | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
to death a little over two and a half weeks ago, and it will move out | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
of Westminster, passed us right here on College Green and then over | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
Lambeth Bridge and along the South bank of the River past Waterloo | :04:31. | :04:38. | |
station and on towards London Bridge station where Southwark Cathedral | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
is, so it is quite a big police operation here today. Are large | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
crowds expect it? Indeed, they really are. 5000 or more police | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
officers from every force in the country will be here today lining | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
the route, taking part in the service. You can hear the siren | :04:58. | :05:06. | |
Scott Hynd, there are lots of police around, barriers up, on the roads | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
will be closed sometime soon. We expect many thousands of people, | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
some of the estimates saying maybe 50,000 people could be lining the | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
route. Really it goes to show the kind of respect people have for this | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
police officer who was just doing his job, protecting Parliament, and | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
became victim of this terrorist attack. That is why so many police | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
officers are coming from all over the country to pay their respects as | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
well, many of them fear it could have been any of them. | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
Thank you very much. Reeta is in the BBC | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
Newsroom with a summary Foreign Ministers from | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
the G7 leading nations They'll discuss how to persuade | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
Russia to end its military support for Syria's President Assad, | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
following last week's Our diplomatic correspondent | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
James Robbins reports. The next two days in the Tuscan | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
walled city of Lucca will be dominated by a collective search | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
for arguments to persuade Vladimir Putin that he must now end | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
Russia's military support for Syria's President Assad | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
and help to accelerate a negotiated The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | :06:15. | :06:16. | |
is expected to press the case for new sanctions against Russia | :06:17. | :06:25. | |
if they don't give ground. President Trump's Secretary | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
of State Rex Tillerson wants to go on from here to Moscow, | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
able to confront the Russians with a strong set of demands, | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
backed by America's key allies. Our priority is, first, | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
the defeat of Isis. Remove them from access | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
to their caliphate, because that's where the threat to the homeland | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
and to so many homelands of our coalition partners | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
is emanating from. Once we can eliminate the battle | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
against Isis, conclude that, and it is going quite well, | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
then we hope to turn our attention to achieving ceasefire | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
agreements between the regime Russia and Iran, President Assad's | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
key military backers, are threatening retaliation | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
if there are any further It's far from clear that Moscow's | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
attitude has shifted significantly since either the gas attack | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
or America's retaliatory Years of effort trying to find | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
a negotiated settlement have failed, and so the task here in Italy | :07:17. | :07:27. | |
of trying to find a new way to break Egypt has declared a three-month | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
state of emergency after attacks on two churches yesterday left | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
at least 44 people dead. The measures allow the authorities | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
to make arrests without warrants The army will be deployed to help | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
police protect key sites. The so-called Islamic State group | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
said it was behind both blasts. The BBC has uncovered evidence that | :07:47. | :07:55. | |
appears to implicate the Bank of England in the so-called | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
Libor scandal. A secret recording from 2008 | :07:59. | :07:59. | |
obtained by Panorama suggests it repeatedly pressured commercial | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
banks to push down the rates at which they charged | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
each other interest. Here's our economics | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
correspondent Andy Verity. The Libor scandal first blew up | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
in 2012, when Barclays boss Until recently, Libor used to set | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
by a member of staff of the biggest banks, | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
called a submitter, saying what interest rate they thought | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
they'd have to pay to borrow money. An average was taken, called | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
the London Inter-Bank Offered Rate, The submitters were meant to base it | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
only on their own genuine view of the market for borrowing | :08:30. | :08:37. | |
and lending cash. Panorama has uncovered a phone call | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
on October 29th, 2008, during the financial crisis, | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
when a senior Barclays banker, Mark Dearlove, tells the man | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
putting in Libor rates, Peter Johnson, to push | :08:47. | :08:48. | |
down his Libor rates below the true cost of borrowing cash | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
because of pressure from above. We played the recording | :08:53. | :09:20. | |
to Chris Phelps MP, a member If what Dearlove is saying | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
is true, that is shocking. This tape suggests that in fact | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
the Bank of England knew about it and indeed were encouraging | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
or even instructing it. So we need an immediate | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
inquiry to find out exactly what is going on, given what we have | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
just heard on this tape. The Bank of England told Panorama | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
that Libor and other global benchmarks were not regulated | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
in the UK or elsewhere Swedish police are continuing | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
to question a man suspected of driving a hijacked lorry | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
into a crowd of people in Stockholm on Friday, | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
leaving four people dead. The 39-year-old, originally | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
from Uzbekistan, was facing deportation from Sweden and had | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
expressed support for Tens of thousands gathered | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
in the city yesterday to pay tribute to the victims, | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
who included British Police in Manchester have launched | :10:15. | :10:15. | |
extra patrols in the city centre, after receiving a surge in calls | :10:16. | :10:33. | |
about people passing out from taking Greater Manchester Police said | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
they dealt with 31 calls relating to the drug in 24 hours after it | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
launched a two-day banning It's been reported that | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
the substance left some users Australian scientists say two thirds | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
of the Great Barrier Reef has now been devastated | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
by severe coral bleaching. It's caused by rising water | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
temperatures and researchers say surveys show an accelerated rate | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
of damage along the Mass bleaching makes the coral | :10:55. | :10:55. | |
fragile and can kill it. The reef is home to more | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
than 130 species of shark That's a summary of | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. We're going to | :11:03. | :11:21. | |
talk later to Safir Khan, who smiled at an EDL protest, and the | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
photograph was captured and has gone viral on social media. A number of | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
people praising her stance. We will talk to her later. Her dad has | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
explained that he has always taught her and her sister not to back down | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
from prejudice, so it will be interesting to talk to her later on. | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you'll be charged | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
It's all about the golf this morning. | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
Sergio Garcia has finally won a major, and he's done it in style. | :11:58. | :11:57. | |
He certainly did. He is the nearly man no more, at his 74th attempt, he | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
has won his first major tournament with a victory at the Masters. It | :12:03. | :12:13. | |
was neck and neck for much of the final round, if one nipped ahead, | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
the other clawed them back, and so it went to sudden death. The winning | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
putt for Garcia, this is what secured him the green jacket. And | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
six to his knees, you can almost feel the long wait of expectation | :12:29. | :12:40. | |
lift off his shoulders. His idol and late Spanish golfer, Seve | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
Ballesteros, it would have been his 60th birthday, he has tried so hard | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
but even he questioned his mental resilience, but at 37 years old he | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
has come good. I felt the calmest I have ever felt on a major Sunday, | :12:55. | :13:03. | |
and even after making a couple of bogeys, I was still very positive, I | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
still believed that there were a lot of holes that I could get to, and I | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
had some good shots coming in, and I'm so happy. You just want to know | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
that he has won his first major if this will open the floodgates and he | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
could win many more to come. The US open is in June, it will be | :13:24. | :13:24. | |
interesting to see how gets an. Englishman Justin | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
Rose just missing out, Yes, the first thing he did was to | :13:31. | :13:39. | |
go over and hugged him. They have known each other a long time, they | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
are good friends, and Justin Rose said, I would love to be wearing the | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
green jacket, but if it wasn't me, then I'm glad it's him, here is what | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
he had to say. We have been friends for a long time, we have been | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
playing golf against one another since we were 14, so our careers | :13:55. | :14:03. | |
will go on, and call for takeover, I will be disappointed for about a | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
month on golf will take over and we'll carry on. There are many more | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
goals this year, many objective to look forward to this was the | :14:12. | :14:20. | |
highlight of the spring, and I was disappointed to come so close, but | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
the year is only getting going. Reaction has been coming in, social | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
media as always ablaze with congratulations and support, one of | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
his sons said happy birthday, dad, he hoped he could win the Masters. | :14:38. | :14:50. | |
It goes to show just how much of it popular guy Sergio Garcia is on the | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
tour. Whiteman thank you, Jess. More throughout the | :14:59. | :14:59. | |
morning. It's when you take a tiny amount | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
of psychedelic drugs, LSD or magic mushrooms, | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
usually, as part The drugs are illegal, | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
and there's no medical evidence to tell us what the benefits | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
or harms of it may be. But a small community of people | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
in the UK are doing it anyway, Some say it aids creativity | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
and concentration and helps But critics say it's dangerous, | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
and users are putting Our reporter Catrin Nye has been | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
meeting the people that do it. This is only, maybe, 20 mikes - | :15:26. | :15:38. | |
20 milligrams of LSD. So this would be enough | :15:39. | :15:49. | |
to give you a trip? Each morning, I take vitamins | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
with a cup of tea and toast. So in the morning, | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
it's vitamins, tea...? NEWSREEL: These are the faithful | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
of LSD, or Acid-heads - the exposed tip of an iceberg | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
of more sporadic users. Psychedelic drugs, LSD, | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
magic mushrooms, are usually associated with long, | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
mind-bending trips, Instant chemical wisdom | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
obviously doesn't exist. The people I've been meeting, | :16:20. | :16:30. | |
though, are taking the Class A drugs in tiny doses in an attempt | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
to improve their lives. And, in some cases, deal with severe | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
mental health problems. We are in the Great | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
British countryside. And this is actually a place | :16:42. | :16:55. | |
where you can quite easily get hold of psychedelic drugs, | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
because magic mushrooms grow here. I'm off to see someone who's used | :16:59. | :17:06. | |
those to micro-dose. I'm intrigued about | :17:07. | :17:23. | |
your micro-dosing. When I was at university, | :17:24. | :17:31. | |
I like most students, I think I discovered by accident one | :17:32. | :17:46. | |
day when I was very bored that you could take a small amount of LSD | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
and it was really useful And so I had learned | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
that a really useful, nice thing to do with it would be | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
to have it on a day off and have quite a normal day, | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
but the quality of that day on all sorts of fronts | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
would just be a lot better. So I would go for a walk | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
and I would be struck All of those bits of sense data | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
that we often lose to getting stuff done and being outcome focused | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
would be really... There's something really relaxing | :18:23. | :18:24. | |
and grounding about it. It wasn't until moving | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
to the country that Anna Out of curiosity, I was running one | :18:32. | :18:33. | |
day up in the hills and I didn't have to be back anywhere for quite | :18:34. | :18:44. | |
a long time. So I picked a couple | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
of mushrooms and I was curious I was really aware of enjoying | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
moving and enjoying being outside. I went to a friend's house | :18:50. | :19:09. | |
later that day and we had I really wanted to make | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
the house look nice. Again, I had quite an ordinary day | :19:13. | :19:20. | |
and I really enjoyed it. I felt quite happy and calm | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
and grounded and I slept During the time that | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
they were in season, if it was possible to pick a couple | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
then I would. Because I knew that it was making me | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
get more done and sleep better and just having a slightly better | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
quality of life, I guess. The most noticeable thing for me | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
was that I was a lot tidier. I'm a really messy person but I got | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
very fussy about my physical space. So I would find myself | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
suddenly possessed to tidy I would really get into | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
doing the recycling. How do you justify the fact | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
that it is completely illegal? When you're doing something that | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
isn't causing any harm to anybody else or to yourself, | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
there's nothing really that needs I query the relevance and the sanity | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
of the legal frameworks He tells me he had a very abusive | :20:11. | :20:18. | |
childhood and now suffers He micro-doses LSD with his | :20:19. | :20:31. | |
tea in the morning. Erm, every two months, six weeks - | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
a therapeutic dose. Not constantly - if you build up | :20:37. | :20:45. | |
a tolerance to anything, Can you tell me what you're dealing | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
with, and how it helps? Depression and anxiety as a result | :20:52. | :21:03. | |
of this childhood trauma that led to borderline personality disorder | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
and post-traumatic stress disorder. So all of these things together | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
are currently dealt with by GPs with a large amount of different | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
pills, each of which causes more side effects, I find | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
in my personal experience, than the benefits | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
these drugs provide. These substances, I've found, | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
give me the benefits So then me using these | :21:28. | :21:29. | |
substances mean I've been able to view my trauma so it's | :21:30. | :21:38. | |
just an experience. It's a memory like any other. | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
It doesn't hold me hostage any more. These substances can be reused again | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
in the psychiatric toolkit The problem is in terms of credible | :21:44. | :21:56. | |
medical research, there is currently no evidence to back up his | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
experiences. James was recently involved in a pilot trial at | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
Imperial College, London, looking at the use of magic mushrooms in | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
clinical depression. It did not, however look at micro-dosing? At a | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
medical level nothing about. There have been no trials looking at at | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
all and the only way that we can sort out whether or not it works or | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
it doesn't is by doing a blinded pa seen owe controlled randomised | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
trial. What are the dangers of people taking it upon themselves to | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
conduct their own little experiment on themselves with? We have no idea | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
what the effect might be on driving for example, skilled tasks, it is | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
the definition of a micro-dose is you don't notice the sub jective | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
effect, but that doesn't mean it is not having any effect on you. We | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
don't know what risks in the long-term might be. There was some | :22:55. | :23:02. | |
concern before 1970 when the drugs were being used clinically, in | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
people who are liable to develop schizophrenia and psychotic | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
disorders, the drugs might uncover those issues in some people. Some | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
studies showed that might be a risk. Other studies showed it wasn't. | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
Again, it is another area where we don't know. Though we know nothing | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
about, James' work is part of a recent cautious revival in | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
scientific trials involving sick Cadelic drugs. Back this the 50s and | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
60s thousands of patients were treated with sick Cadelics, but that | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
all stopped when governments around the world started to ban | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
recreational drugs. They were used prior to prohibition in the UK in | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
1970 and they seemed to be quite effective for people with treatment | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
resistant forms of depression and anxiety and alcoholism and that's | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
precisely the patient group that I see in my clinic, who aren't getting | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
better with the standard treatments. It's frustrating to see people who | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
don't get better. You have to understand where I was | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
before I took it. The day before I took it, I was thinking about | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
killing myself a lot. Like a lot. Like I was standing in front of | :24:17. | :24:25. | |
medicine cabinet counting pills. I was feeling horrible one day and I | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
did the micro-dose and at first I felt nothing. I thought oh well, | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
this is a failed endeavour. This woman is a successful author and | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
former lawyer who lives in California. She suffers from a mood | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
disorder that had been managed by prescription medication, but she | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
fell into a depression and she was suicidal. She is not a fan of drugs, | :24:46. | :24:54. | |
but says desperation made her try micro-dosing LSD. About 90 minutes | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
later I looked up and I looked out the window and I had a at the time a | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
dogwood tree in my yard. The dogwood in bloom. I thought oh, look. The | :25:06. | :25:14. | |
dogwood is in bloom. It is so beautiful. It wasn't like the | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
blossoms were shimmering, it was just that I hadn't been able to | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
appreciate anything like that in so long. I had been all, but anhidonic. | :25:23. | :25:30. | |
To appreciate beauty was earth shaking. It was a really remarkable | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
treatment for me. It is one I'm sorry I can't do every day because | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
it resolved my depression instandtainiously. Really? Yeah. I | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
wasn't happy. But at least I was no longer contemplating killing myself. | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
I was much less likely to fly off the handle. I got my work done more | :25:53. | :25:59. | |
effectively. It worked the way my psychiatrist had always promised to | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
me that my antidepressants would work. So this is enough more about | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
six weeks? If you're micro-dosing. If you're taking a proper dose, | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
that's one standard average dose. And what are you aiming for? About | :26:15. | :26:23. | |
0.2. So you'd go to work now? I'd go to work. How do you think your | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
colleagues would react? They would be horrified, probably. | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
Obviously Class A drugs like these are illegal, possession could result | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
in up to seven years in prison. Dylan micro-doses every few days | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
with magic mushrooms. His friends know, but his colleagues don't. He | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
works in a well respected profession and so we've changed his name and | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
we're protecting his identity because his habit could lose him his | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
job. Have you found yourself like in work, suddenly feeling like you're | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
tripping because you took too much? Once. On acid. I was trying to | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
micro-dose on acid. That was not pleasant. You realise and you're | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
kicking yourself for not having thought this through. Tell me more | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
about how this will change your day? I can you can float in and out of | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
various situations with an ease and with a comfort level that's just | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
exquisite. It gives you this very calm and relaxed sense of being | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
sensored. Dylan thinks micro-dosing makes him better at his job, more | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
able to concentrate, more creative. It is this belief that means it has | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
become associated with Silicon Valley in the US and there is one | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
man that if you talk to people who micro-dose always gets a mention. | :27:47. | :27:53. | |
Jim has been researching psyche Cadelics since the 60s and offers a | :27:54. | :28:01. | |
website telling people how to micro-dose. He says 900 people have. | :28:02. | :28:08. | |
The most consistent result is people say, "My life seems to be working | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
better. I am more effective." Their sleeping habits improve. Their | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
eating habits improve. They feel better in social situations. These | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
many hundreds of people around the world are either all deluding | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
themselves which seems highly unlikely or the results are valid. | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
Is there not a sense that people enjoy being a bit high? That these | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
guys are having a little bit of the effect they get when they take drugs | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
which some people like? Maybe. I think that's the same question for | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
any stimulant. In our instructions we indicate if you're feeling a | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
little bit high then you need to lower your dose. Do you worry that | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
someone in a less privileged position in terms of legal | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
protection is going to do this and get into real trouble? I'm a white | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
woman living in California with economic resources in the | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
background. If you are a young African-American guy in say Ferguson | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
and you're experiencing the same kind of psychiatric symptoms that I | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
was experiencing, it would be tremendously dangerous for you to do | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
what I did. The other danger, of course, is just how unpredictable | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
the drugs can be. Even while making this film a boy in America has died | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
falling off a roof while on LSD. His family said he had a bad trip. These | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
stories are rare, but they really scare people. This stuff is really | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
powerful. In Durham alone, in the past three years, four years, three | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
students have drowned in our river from alcohol intoxication. That's | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
the same thing, but we don't talk about alcohol is really powerful. I | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
guess history tells us if a drug gets a bad reputation it can damage | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
the science so... Of course, that's and that's something we have to work | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
with, I suppose, but I don't think that's a reason not to do the | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
science. In fact, I think it is a reason to do the scientific | :30:10. | :30:11. | |
research. Rob tweets, surely this is a | :30:12. | :30:35. | |
terrible idea, people do build tolerance to drugs. And on Facebook, | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
I wonder how many people who start taking Micro doses end up getting | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
more and more addicted? What fools, this just leads to more and more | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
problems. If people think it is making their life better, what has | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
it got to do with anyone else? Later in the programme we speak to one | :30:57. | :30:57. | |
expert about the dangers. We'll hear | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
from the daughter of a 70-year-old man killed while he cycled | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
through central London; she's calling for better police training | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
into how to handle cycling deaths. And this image of a woman smiling | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
at an English Defence League protestor in Birmingham | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
has gone viral. We'll talk to her about | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
why she intervened. Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom | :31:16. | :31:24. | |
with a summary of today's news. Thousands of police officers | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
from across the UK are expected at the funeral of PC | :31:29. | :31:30. | |
Keith Palmer, who was killed The 48-year-old was stabbed to death | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
by Khalid Masood as he stood guard A service will be held this | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
afternoon at Southwark Cathedral. Keith didn't hesitate | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
to act when confronted His bravery and his courage are | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
something that all officers are very Also, there's a tremendous sense | :31:47. | :31:54. | |
of sadness and of loss, and a feeling that it could have been | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
anybody, and it was Keith. So, the funeral will | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
also be an opportunity for the police family to come | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
together, to grieve together, but also to show support, | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
in particular to Keith's family, his friends, | :32:09. | :32:10. | |
and his close colleagues. The UK is pushing for | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
new sanctions on Russia if it maintains its staunch support for | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
Syrian President Basher Al-Assad. The Foreign Secretary, | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
Boris Johnson, is meeting with other G7 leaders in Italy | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
to discuss the situation. He has faced criticism | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
over his decision to pull out of talks with Moscow | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
after the chemical attack in Syria last week that | :32:28. | :32:29. | |
left more than 80 dead. Egypt has declared a three-month | :32:30. | :32:37. | |
state of emergency after attacks on two churches yesterday left | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
at least 44 people dead. The measures allow the authorities | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
to make arrests without warrants The army will be deployed to help | :32:46. | :32:47. | |
police protect key sites. The so-called Islamic State group | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
said it was behind both blasts. The BBC has uncovered evidence that | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
appears to implicate the Bank of England in the so-called | :32:58. | :32:59. | |
Libor scandal. A secret recording from 2008 | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
obtained by Panorama suggests it repeatedly pressured commercial | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
banks to push down the rates at which they charged | :33:12. | :33:13. | |
each other interest. Police in Manchester have launched | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
extra patrols in the city centre, after receiving a surge in calls | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
about people passing out from taking Greater Manchester Police said | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
they dealt with 31 calls relating to the drug in 24 hours after it | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
launched a two-day banning It's been reported that | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
the substance left some users Australian scientists say two thirds | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
of the Great Barrier Reef has now been devastated | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
by severe coral bleaching. It's caused by rising water | :33:40. | :33:40. | |
temperatures and researchers say surveys show an accelerated rate | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
of damage along the Mass bleaching makes the coral | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
fragile and can kill it. The reef is home to more | :33:46. | :33:53. | |
than 130 species of shark That's a summary of | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
the latest BBC News. Sergio Garcia has won the 2017 major | :33:56. | :34:24. | |
after beating Justin Rose in an entertaining play-off. Manchester | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
United keep Sunderland at the bottom of the Premier League table after a | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
3-0 win at Stadium of Light. United moved up to fifth. Everton ended | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
Leicester's winning run with a 4-2 victory, Romilly Lukaku scored twice | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
and is the top scorer in the Premier League. And a last-minute try and | :34:43. | :34:51. | |
the last kick of the game as wasps stay stop of the premiership. | :34:52. | :35:00. | |
What needs to happen next to try and find an end to the conflict | :35:01. | :35:07. | |
in Syria which has seen almost half a million people killed? | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
That's something G7 foreign ministers will be discussing | :35:10. | :35:11. | |
The G7 or group of seven, is made up of the world's seven | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
richest industrial countries - Britain, America, Japan, Germany, | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
This next film shows some of the key events of the last few days | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
which will be discussed at that meeting. | :35:23. | :35:24. | |
It contains some distressing images and flashing lights | :35:25. | :35:26. | |
These heinous actions by the Assad regime cannot be tolerated. | :35:27. | :36:05. | |
If proven this will be further evidence of barbarism | :36:06. | :36:07. | |
any chemical weapons. that Syria did not do | :36:08. | :36:30. | |
It does not have any chemical weapons because it has | :36:31. | :36:32. | |
given all its stockpile to the international organisation | :36:33. | :36:34. | |
It was time to say enough, but not only say it, | :36:35. | :37:04. | |
Bashar al-Assad must never use chemical weapons again, ever. | :37:05. | :37:12. | |
TRANSLATION: The attack by the United States | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
is understandable given the extent of the war crime, the suffering | :37:18. | :37:19. | |
of innocent people, and the blockade in the UN Security Council. | :37:20. | :38:11. | |
"From now on we will respond with force". | :38:12. | :38:13. | |
That was the threat from Russia and Iran last night to America | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
after accusing President Trump of crossing "red lines" by striking | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
Let's speak now to Labour's spokesperson on foreign affairs, | :38:21. | :38:28. | |
Sir Tony Brenton, a former British Ambassador to Moscow. | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
who is Syrian and has family living there. | :38:33. | :38:41. | |
Thank you to all of you for talking to us. What should happen next? I | :38:42. | :38:49. | |
think that the only solution in the end is a political settlement, so | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
everything that happens should be seen through the lens of, will this | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
stop the war faster? And what worries me is in the last few days | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
we have had more rhetoric, great headlines, but has it been helping | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
with sorting out this problem and finding a political solution? I | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
don't think it has. Peace talks have been going on for months and years, | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
there has been no progress. The difficulty with Syria is that it | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
isn't just a complicated civil war, it is a regional war, and there are | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
major powers fighting as if there is a proxy war going on, so that is | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
what makes it complex and multilayered, but it can only work | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
if major players are round the table together, and what we have seen is | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
this major falling out between America and Russia pulling the | :39:40. | :39:42. | |
parties apart and further away from the table, and nobody believes that | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
you can win this war, nobody can win the war, there has to be a political | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
settlement, and there has to be a long-term solution, and so by | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
increasing rhetoric and hitting headlines, Boris Johnson me feel | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
good today, but he isn't actually helping with a long-term solution | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
when it comes to what will happen to Syria. Would you have cancelled the | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
trip to Moscow as Boris Johnson has? I think it is a difficult one | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
because it is also important to be involved with the G7, but since the | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
early trip had been cancelled, I think it was important to go, | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
because I think you have to engage the Russians and talk to them. And | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
to be quite honest, it looks yet again like auris is playing second | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
fiddle to the Americans, and in so much of foreign policy, we wait for | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
the Americans and then agree, and with an unpredictable president, | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
that puts our foreign policy in a difficult position. So that makes | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
Boris Johnson Donald Trump's Kudla? I don't think that is appropriate, | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
but I would have gone to Russia and started the talks and started | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
talking about how we are going to sort this out. Assad shouldn't have | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
a long-term future in Syria, so how do we make sure that we move Syria | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
on. Half the population is living abroad, half a million people have | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
died, we are incredibly distressed by these photographs of children | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
being killed in this way, but the only solution is political. How | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
would you describe the Foreign Secretary's relationship with the | :41:21. | :41:22. | |
American administration on this issue? I think we play second fiddle | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
and we don't seem to have... We are a member of the top table at the | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
United Nations, a country that ought to have cloud, and I think that at | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
the moment, it is almost as if we are slightly cowed by it, waiting | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
for America to decide what their policy is, and I feel profoundly | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
uncomfortable about that. I think we should be more confident about | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
ourselves and be prepared to say no to the president when he is wrong, | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
and I think he was wrong to take unilateral action and bombing in the | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
circumstances in Syria. So let Assad get away with the chemical gas | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
attacks on his own people? None of us wanting to get away with it. The | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
way to make sure that he doesn't is first of all to have proof which | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
nobody can argue with, so send in UN inspectors to make sure it can be | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
clear who was gas that was, and then get action across the whole of the | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
international community, not for one party to decide I believe it is him, | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
even though most of us believe that it was, and I, America, and going to | :42:27. | :42:35. | |
send off 56 Tomahawks. We have to do this together as a world through the | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
UN. Let me bring in Sir Tony Brenton, former British ambassador | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
to Washington. When Russia and Iran say they will respond with force, | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
what do you think that means? I don't think we should take it too | :42:49. | :42:59. | |
seriously. Really?! The Russians have already taken once more and | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
dangerous action in ending the arrangements with America in Syria, | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
there is not a huge amount they can do, and what we are watching is | :43:08. | :43:14. | |
noise to cover up the confusion. I broadly agree with what Emily | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
Thornbury has just said, about needing to talk to the Russians | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
about finding a way out of the Syrian mess, but I disagree with her | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
in her feeling that the US air strike was a mistake, I think it has | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
been a useful reality check for Assad obviously but also for the | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
Russians, who have got used to dealing with a week US | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
administration, that there are limits to what the US will tolerate, | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
and that will affect calculations in the future, hopefully in a helpful | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
direction. What is the best way to get President Putin to drop his | :43:49. | :43:58. | |
support of Assad in Syria? The first step is to gauge with the Russians | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
on the way forward. There are pressures on him to get out of | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
Syria, he has a presidential election next year, a population | :44:06. | :44:12. | |
disenchanted with Syria, he would like to find a way out but he won't | :44:13. | :44:20. | |
accept a way which affects what he views as Russia's vital interests | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
there, the crucial one being confidence that Assad will not be | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
replaced by an Islamist regime, and that is a danger to us as well, and | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
as we negotiate a way forward, part of it has to be to find a way to | :44:34. | :44:45. | |
replace Assad but with a dependable northern Islamist alternative. | :44:46. | :44:54. | |
You heard the former British ambassador saying, don't take it too | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
seriously when they say they will respond with force, is he right? To | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
be honest, I think the events in the last week were very unpredictable. | :45:02. | :45:15. | |
So I don't know. To just sit and wait to what the response is going | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
to be, already cancelling the non-conflictual agreement between | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
Russia and America is dangerous, and it could be a cover for what may | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
appear as an accident, a clash between American and Russian | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
aeroplanes over the sky of Syria, it could be something that had been | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
deliberately engineered. In terms of your own family members, what do | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
they want from the international community? Whether it is my family | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
or many other Syrians, what they want is the right conflict? Do they | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
have the right to have their own conflict? The Syrians were making | :45:56. | :46:04. | |
the headlines by going down to the street at the start, but now it is | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
anything but Syrian. They shouldn't be called a Syrian conflict any | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
more. You are discussing superpowers, G7, Nato, even the | :46:13. | :46:20. | |
Geneva talks which involve some from Syria, or are being held on the | :46:21. | :46:29. | |
basis of resolution which no Syria at all have been involved in | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
drafting those resolutions. So there is a huge non-Syrian parliament in | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
this conflict, and most Syrians want this to be out of serious they can | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
sort out their own issues. Don't expect Syrians to reach any solution | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
to be to change things on the ground when you have all these actors | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
involved at the same time. You can't wait for Orbis International debate | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
and restructuring of how the war is going on the Security Council, Nato | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
and everything, we can't wait for this to be resolved over the heads | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
of Syrians, so we just want it out of the scene as much as possible. | :47:09. | :47:24. | |
The mortgage ar shells were falling next to her house. My parents in | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
Homs were concerned about 2,000 people from Homs were deported by | :47:32. | :47:38. | |
force from Homs and dumped in an opposition controlled area. There | :47:39. | :47:41. | |
were different dynamics on the ground happening and all this | :47:42. | :47:49. | |
international attention on the attacks itself, it played no role in | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
changing these events at all. If anything, it was making it worse and | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
more Syrians were being killed every day whether before or after dark. | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
Understood. Emily, finally, your party is split on this issue. Some | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
of your MPs accused your leader of preferring inaction to stopping a | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
murderous tyrant. What would you say to them? Well, I think that we all | :48:11. | :48:17. | |
want to stop a murderous tyrantment we all want peace in Syria. It's a | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
question of how we go about doing that and sometimes people say that | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
the Labour line on this is a weak one. But it's so isn't. It would | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
have been very easy for us to join in the rhetoric and say, "Yes, this | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
is outrageous. Let's get involved in the bombing." But we're not doing | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
that because we're taking a step back and we're saying what is the | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
long game? How do we make sure we get peace in Syria? It will take a | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
while, but the lady has just said, the woman from Syria, saying, you | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
know, it is as if it is not a Syrian conflict anymore, it is a great, big | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
international conflict and we need to get the powers out and we need | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
Syria to find peace. It is right and people need to say that. Do you | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
think there, even if the international players got out, do | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
you think there could be peace with President Assad still president? I | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
think that in the end President Assad has to go, but I think that | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
any calls for him to leave straightaway which the British | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
Government has been doing, I think, is not likely to be realistic. I | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
think, I hope that he has no long-term future in Syria. I think | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
that he is a murderous tyrant. So yes, I want him to go, but when | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
we've talked about regime change in the past, we have talked about it in | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
the context of Iraq or Libya and looked what has happenedment when | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
people say they want regime change the next question must be what do | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
you want in its place and if you don't know wh what you want in its | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
place, you have to think long-term and think we need to work this | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
through and not just be doing knee-jerk politics here. What would | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
President Assad have to do for you to support some kind of military | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
intervention? No. That's not the way to put it. Sorry. What I would say | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
is, I'm not against military intervention if it is part of a | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
larger plan. If someone can say to me, if we intervene here, if we do | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
this, if we kill this number of people then this will happen and | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
then we will be able to move on here and this is the solution. But the | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
difficulty is for politicians is that when terrible things like this | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
happen, if you don't respond with, "Let's get involved in bombing" Then | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
there is criticism that you're being weak, but you're not, you're saying, | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
the pressure is to be seen to be doing something, but you must step | :50:27. | :50:29. | |
back and think what is the long-term plan? You have to have a strategy | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
and at the moment, I very much fear that the international community is | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
falling out big time and we're not talking strategy anymore, we're | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
talking, you know, let's see who can say the strongest thing? Let's be | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
seen to be a strong man. Let's be seen to be Boris Johnson is standing | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
up to the Russians. Really, how does this help us in the long-term? | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
That's what we need to be doing. Thank you very much. | :50:54. | :51:08. | |
Coming up, the 78-year-old British multimillionaire whose been | :51:09. | :51:09. | |
in prison in the United States for more than 30 years | :51:10. | :51:12. | |
He's always maintained his innocence, now new evidence has | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
The daughter of a 70-year-old man killed whilst cycling | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
through central London is calling for better police training into how | :51:26. | :51:27. | |
It's after the woman accused of knocking down and killing | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
Michael Mason was cleared of careless driving | :51:33. | :51:34. | |
in what is the first ever crowdfunded private prosecution. | :51:35. | :51:43. | |
Mr Mason who wasn't wearing a helmet died in hospital days after being | :51:44. | :51:51. | |
hit by a car. Days after his death, his daughter made a film looking | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
into whether police failed to investigate cycling deaths properly. | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
A warning it shows her father seriously ill in a hospital bed | :52:00. | :52:00. | |
before he died. Dad was cycling home this way up | :52:01. | :52:11. | |
a central London road when he was He was in hospital in | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
a coma for three weeks, At the inquest into my father's | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
death, the driver said she She said it was like something | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
falling from the sky. Afterwards, the coroner's verdict | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
was that his death had been Society obviously depends | :52:27. | :52:28. | |
on families joining together. Here's my dad, Mick Mason, | :52:29. | :52:36. | |
in happier times at my wedding. He was a gentle, unassuming | :52:37. | :52:38. | |
Geordie, who often had a My family and I had questions | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
about how the police were investigating my dad's | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
death from very early on. Potential witnesses | :52:46. | :52:47. | |
were not chased as we would have liked and they did not | :52:48. | :52:49. | |
appear to think about what we were One officer even asked | :52:50. | :52:52. | |
us if we wondered whether my dad might be | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
responsible for his own death. The private prosecution was brought | :52:58. | :53:18. | |
by the cyclists defence fund. Anna Tatton-Brown gave us her | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
reaction to the case. I'm not sure that it was the wrong | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
verdict and what was presented in that half-way through the case | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
the other side applied to have the case thrown out | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
as I learn is sometimes customary in cases for lack | :53:35. | :53:36. | |
of evidence saying that the prosecution hadn't | :53:37. | :53:38. | |
presented enough evidence. The judge ruled that there | :53:39. | :53:40. | |
was and that it should go to a jury. So, for us, that was kind | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
of vindication in having brought the case and this case should always | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
have gone in front of a court, He also allocated costs | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
at the end so the cycling charity will get some, if not all, | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
of their money back. Again, further vindication for us | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
that this was always where this So, I kind of like to think of it | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
as the driver was on trial during this case, but the Met's | :54:02. | :54:08. | |
decision was also on trial. While she was found not guilty, | :54:09. | :54:10. | |
the Met, to a certain extent, How difficult was it to listen | :54:11. | :54:19. | |
to some of the evidence? I obviously know this | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
case inside out. I thought that I knew what every | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
witness was going to say and I thought that I was kind | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
of immune to it and that it wouldn't shock me, but it really | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
did and hearing people discuss your father's injuries | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
in a kind of such a matter of fact, scientific way, | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
I mean I know that's how it has got to be, | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
but it's horrible and I was shocked Whilst you accept the verdict, | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
do you want the police to review or look again at the way they deal | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
with cases involving cyclists? I, in the three years | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
since the accident happened and the case came to trial, I have | :55:00. | :55:10. | |
come across quite a few families who have had issues with how | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
the police have handled their cases. So it is not just me. | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
I am by no means an isolated case. We finally got the case to court, | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
but three years have gone by. People's memories aren't as fresh | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
and there are inherent problems The expense that we have had to go | :55:27. | :55:28. | |
to to fight, to get it into the justice system, | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
but also for the driver. She had this hanging | :55:36. | :55:37. | |
over her for three years. And I think that the police need | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
better training with how they deal with evidence at the scene, | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
how they hand... The mentality | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
with which they approach a cycling There were scenarios | :55:51. | :55:52. | |
where they kept saying to me, "Your dad was wearing dark clothing, | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
he wasn't wearing a helmet." And I think that mentality washed | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
over how they treated the case So I think specialist training | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
to help them realise that that maybe the case - | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
he was wearing dark clothing but there are other issues at play | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
here - and I don't think it's I think there are issues about how | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
the whole justice system Our case never got to the CPS | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
so I don't know how the CPS would have handled it, | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
but I've heard of issues with other people once the cases get to the CPS | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
and then the justice system, I'm not questioning | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
the verdict for a moment. But I think there are issues | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
about a jury where almost everyone will drive and, for a moment, | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
one of those people We don't always pay full | :56:45. | :56:46. | |
attention when we drive. I don't always pay full attention | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
100% of the time when I drive. So I don't know how you can separate | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
that in your mind when you're making it a decision about the guilt | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
of someone who does an activity The Met tell us the test | :57:00. | :57:01. | |
for referral to the Crown Prosecution Service as laid down | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
by the Director of Public Prosecutions was applied and found | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
not to meet the required threshold and the evidence was tested | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
in the Coroners' Court and not referred for further investigation | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
or examination by any other agency, Her Majesty's Coroner concluded this | :57:18. | :57:19. | |
was the result of an accident and the investigation | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
supports this finding. From what you've said, | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
it sounds like in a way you think the police | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
perhaps blamed your father He was wearing dark clothing, | :57:34. | :57:35. | |
he wasn't wearing a helmet? But the law of our land says that | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
you have to have lights that are working and are | :57:39. | :57:44. | |
on and reflectors. Regent Street is a street | :57:45. | :57:46. | |
in Central London, He was visible and, so, | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
I don't think it's for them to make a decision whether she should have | :57:52. | :58:01. | |
seen him or not. And they say that it | :58:02. | :58:03. | |
didn't meet the criteria, but a judge has ruled | :58:04. | :58:10. | |
that this case... for this case to have been in court | :58:11. | :58:12. | |
and the jury should make I think that their decision | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
was wrong and I think that I'd like them to, in the light of this, | :58:18. | :58:25. | |
go back and apologise really. Not just to me, but to | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
Gail Purcell, the woman who was driving, and really think | :58:31. | :58:33. | |
about how they handle these cases They've quoted the CPS | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
guildelines there but... I'm not entirely | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
sure of the wording. There is a recommendation in cases | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
of fatalities that there is an | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
automatic referral to the CPS. I don't think it's | :58:51. | :58:52. | |
become a rule yet. When I made the film | :58:53. | :58:54. | |
for you guys, I interviewed Keir | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
Starmer, who was the He said he thought there | :59:00. | :59:01. | |
was a strong argument now for eight direct | :59:02. | :59:04. | |
referral in the case of every fatality | :59:05. | :59:06. | |
that it goes direct to the CPS and | :59:07. | :59:07. | |
the decision I repeat that call, | :59:08. | :59:09. | |
especially in the We will have the latest news and | :59:10. | :59:21. | |
sport shortly. Here is Carol. Gorgeous. People want to know will | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
it the be the same for Easter weekend? | :59:27. | :59:32. | |
It's not, I'm afraid. It won't be as warm, but it won't be a write-off. | :59:33. | :59:41. | |
Look at these lovely pictures from our weather watchers. Some of us | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
have started the day with blue skies as we entered the weekend with a top | :59:47. | :59:54. | |
temperature of 25.5 Celsius in Cambridge yesterday afternoon, | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
making it the warmest of the year so far. But this cooler air is pushing | :59:58. | :00:03. | |
southwards, some of us will still have temperatures above average for | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
this stage in April. A little Fairweather cloud will develop, | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
produce showers especially across Northern Ireland, northern and | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
western Scotland. If you catch a shower in the Midlands, it will be | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
fleeting. Across the south-west, lower temperatures than yesterday, | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
but still nice with the sunshine. Those sunny intervals continuing | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
across East Anglia, Cambridge today instead of 25.5, more likely to be | :00:39. | :00:46. | |
13. Showers continuing across northern and western Scotland, but | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
most of Scotland will be dry with some sunshine coming through. Across | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
Northern Ireland we can't rule out a shower, and as we move back to | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
Wales, again, a lot of dry weather with some sunshine. Heading through | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
the evening and overnight, our next system comes in across the Northwest | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
introducing some rain across Scotland, head of it cloud building | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
for Northern England and Northern Ireland, but for the rest of England | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
and Wales, clearer skies allowing temperatures in the countryside to | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
drop. This represents towns and cities, so there will be frost to | :01:22. | :01:29. | |
start the day. We have the rain continuing across parts of northern | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
and western Scotland tomorrow, a blustery day and the chilly | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
direction the wind is coming from, the Northwest. But moving further | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
south, again we are looking at sunshine. Temperatures tomorrow | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
between 12 and 17 Celsius, in London at this stage in April the averages | :01:49. | :01:55. | |
13. Then we see the weather front sinking southwards, and once again | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
on Wednesday, a mixture of rights bells, sunshine and showers, with | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
the rain slowly coming southwards through the day. | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
It's Monday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
Our top today: Thousands of police officers will line the streets | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
the Westminster terror victim PC Keith Palmer. | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
We've been hearing from those who served with him. | :02:25. | :02:24. | |
Very selfless. He would do whatever was required. | :02:25. | :02:34. | |
One of the kindest people you'll ever find. | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
And I'm in Southwark where the roads have already been closed off for the | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
funeral at the cathedral here this afternoon. The service will be both | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
a public memorial and a private family funeral. | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
Also on the programme: The people who take a tiny dose of psychedelic | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
So-called micro-dosing is illegal, and there's no medical evidence | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
to say what kind of harm it could cause. | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
I had learned that are really useful nice thing to do with it would be to | :03:03. | :03:12. | |
have it on a day off and have quite a normal day, but the quality of | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
that day on all sorts of France would just be a lot better. | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
More from her shortly, and the possible dangers. | :03:25. | :03:32. | |
And this image of a woman standing up to an English Defence League | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
protestor in Birmingham has said she was "surprised" when it went | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
We will speak to Saffiyah Khan before 11. | :03:39. | :03:46. | |
Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
Thousands of police officers from across the UK are expected | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
at the funeral of PC Keith Palmer, who was killed in the | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Westminster terror attack. The 48-year-old was stabbed to death | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
by Khalid Masood as he stood guard outside the Palace of Westminster. | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
Officers from across the country will line the route | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
to Southwark Cathedral, where a full police | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
Danya -- Daniela Relph is there. The roads around Southwark Cathedral | :04:07. | :04:17. | |
have been closed off in preparation for the funeral at two o'clock this | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
afternoon. Police officers have been brought into various compounds. | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
There will be around 5000 places for police officers from around the | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
country to pay their respects to Keith Palmer. Train companies have | :04:31. | :04:38. | |
offered free travel to police officers coming to the funeral | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
today. It is a huge event for the police service. Keith Palmer died a | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
very public death, and there is a sense that today will be in some | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
ways a public memorial, but we also have to remember that this is also | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
going to have to be an intimate, private family funeral for his wife, | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
his daughter, his parents and brothers and sisters who will be | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
here. The very Reverend Andrew Nunn, Dean of Southwark, will be mindful | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
of that when he leaves the service at two o'clock this afternoon. | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
Daniella, many thanks, more on that this afternoon. | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
Foreign Ministers from the G7 leading nations | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
Boris Johnson is meeting with other leaders. Labour's spokesperson on | :05:26. | :05:38. | |
foreign affairs told Victoria the international community needs to | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
focus on the long-term solution. What we have seen is a major falling | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
out between America and Russia which pulls the parties apart and further | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
away from the table, and nobody believes you can win this war. There | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
has to be a political settlement, and there has to be a long-term | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
solution, and so by upping the rhetoric of hitting the headlines, | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
Boris Johnson me feel good today, but he isn't actually helping, I | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
don't think, with a long-term solution when it comes to what will | :06:11. | :06:11. | |
happen to Syria. The BBC has uncovered evidence that | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
appears to implicate the Bank of England in the so-called | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
Libor scandal. A secret recording from 2008 | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
obtained by Panorama suggests it repeatedly pressured commercial | :06:21. | :06:22. | |
banks to push down the rates at which they charged | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
each other interest. Here's our economics | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
correspondent Andy Verity. Police in Manchester have launched | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
extra patrols in the city centre, after receiving a surge in calls | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
about people passing out from taking Greater Manchester Police said | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
they dealt with 31 calls relating to the drug in 24 hours after it | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
launched a two-day banning It's been reported that | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
the substance left some users That's a summary of | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
the latest BBC News. Let me read you some comments on | :06:50. | :07:07. | |
micro-dosing. Gail, an officer at Durham Police, says it is | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
interesting and worrying. Class a possession is unlawful. Alan Taylor | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
says they are idiots and forgetting the stuff stays in your system for | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
life, and Daniel says this is just drug addiction leading torsos of | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
problems. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you'll be charged | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
The big story this morning is from golf, where Sergio Garcia has | :07:33. | :07:41. | |
finally won his first championship. He had to do it via a tense play-off | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
with England's Justin Rose. Garcia is the third Spaniard to win at | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
Augusta on what was a particularly poignant day. Watch out for some | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
flash photography, not as Tim Hague reports. | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
Some things are just written, and Sergio Garcia winning a first major | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
on the day his inspiration, the late Seve Ballesteros, would have turned | :08:05. | :08:12. | |
60, is one of them. To do it on his 60th birthday, and to join him and | :08:13. | :08:23. | |
allow my two idols in golf, it is amazing. I felt the calmest I have | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
ever felt on a major Sunday. I am so happy. The battle he had with Justin | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Rose was among the finest in Masters history. No one Arscott close to | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
them, this was simply a two horse race for the title. But with both an | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
eight under par going to the final nine holes, the Spaniard seemed to | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
collapse, finding trees, rough and even a spot in there. He needed | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
something special on the 15th, and he found it. , Tata and the trees of | :08:52. | :09:00. | |
Augusta -- COMMENTATOR: And the trees of | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
Augusta Shaikh with the noise. And with three holes to play, they | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
were both nine under. Yet these Ryder Cup team-mates kept going, | :09:13. | :09:22. | |
onto the final green equally impressive, neither deserved to | :09:23. | :09:31. | |
lose, and neither would, meaning a sudden-death play-off. This putt for | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
that major. At the 74th attempt, Sergio Garcia | :09:36. | :09:47. | |
has mastered the majors, and he leaves with the green jacket. S | :09:48. | :09:55. | |
Garcia pointing to the sky in honour of Seve, and he certainly had the | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
support of their sons: And of course world number two Rory | :10:01. | :10:16. | |
McIlroy added: So, Garcia is the nearly man no | :10:17. | :10:32. | |
more, and prior to this year, he had finished in the top ten of a major | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
22 times. It has taken him 74 attempts to finally win one, the | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
most of any champion, beating Tom Kite who won the US open after 72, | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
and in terms of prize money, he is ?1.6 million richer today, and maybe | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
a consolation of a Justin Rose, he pockets ?960,000. We have been | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
playing golf against one another since we were 14 years of age, so we | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
are both going to get up tomorrow morning and our careers will go on. | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
He will be happy for a month and then golf will take over, and I will | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
be disappointed for months and then golf will take over and we will | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
carry on. There are many more objectives this year that I will | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
look forward to, the US Open, local championships. This was the | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
highlight of the spring and a target for a long time, and I was | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
disappointed to come so close, but the year is only getting going now. | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
It is indeed, three more majors of the year still to come, the next one | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
is the US open in June. Thank you, Jess. Welcome to the programme if | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
you have just tuned in. Thousands of police officers | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
are expected to line the streets of central London for the funeral | :11:48. | :11:49. | |
procession of PC Keith Palmer who was murdered in the attack | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
in Westminster last month. The 48-year-old father of one | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
was stabbed by Khalid Masood His coffin will be taken | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
from a chapel beneath the Houses of Parliament to Southwark cathedral | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
for a full police service funeral. A two-minute silence will be held | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
by forces across the country. PC Shaun Cartwright and PC | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
Greg Rainey were friends and colleagues of PC Palmer and say | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
he will be greatly missed. As a police officer, | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
I never came across someone There was not a day that went | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
by when Keith would be in work And, at the end of the day, | :12:20. | :12:28. | |
Keith would still be sitting there, The reason Keith came | :12:29. | :12:37. | |
to work was for his family but he was so proud to be | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
a police officer. He came up to join me at the Palace | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
of Westminster and he absolutely He loved the interaction | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
with the public. He had a way of communicating | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
with people from all walks of life, from the Lords and the baronesses | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
that worked up there, He was popular amongst | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
all of the staff up there. Since I've been working back | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
at the Houses of Parliament since, the messages that people | :13:09. | :13:18. | |
from all over the country have given in support of Keith and his family, | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
has been an amazing tribute, I suppose, to Keith, | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
and the way he was and he behaved. Keith could deal with any situation | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
that was thrown at him. You always knew Keith | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
would be there. He was that one who would always be | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
professional, so dedicated. He never sort of took | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
his foot off the gas. It was not just a job to Keith, | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
being a police officer. He was so proud to | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
look out for people. I think that showed | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
as well in his time Very proud to, I suppose, | :14:00. | :14:08. | |
wear the Crown. It was a job he loved | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
doing as a policeman. Chief Constable Sara Thorton | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
is the head of the National She says the scale of the police | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
funeral is unprecedented. I don't think we will ever see a | :14:22. | :14:41. | |
police funeral of this size. Officers are coming from all over | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
the country to line the route. At two o'clock this afternoon, outside | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
police stations across the country, officers will observe two-minutes' | :14:49. | :14:56. | |
silence. We will want to observe the sacrifice he made. How does it | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
affect officers when one of their own is killed in the line of duty? | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
It affect them enormously. There is a tremendous amount of pride. | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
Keith didn't hesitate to act when confronted | :15:08. | :15:09. | |
His bravery and his courage are something that all officers are very | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
But also there's a tremendous sense of sadness and of loss, and a | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
feeling that it could have been anybody, and it was Keith. | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
So, the funeral will also be an opportunity | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
for the police family to come together, to grieve together, but | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
also to show support, in particular to Keith's | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
family, his friends, and his close colleagues. | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
Lying in rest in the Chapel of St Mary Undercroft is a rare honour | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
that needs the Queen's consent. Does this act highlight the strength of | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
feeling? It has had a tremendous impact on colleagues. Officers do a | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
very difficult job every day, and sometimes they can feel it is a | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
thankless task, and the fact that he has laid in rest in the Palace of | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
Westminster is an acknowledgement on behalf of the whole country of the | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
sacrifice that he made, but also the job that officers do day in, day out | :16:10. | :16:16. | |
across the country. Can I ask you where the review of security at the | :16:17. | :16:17. | |
Palace of Westminster is up to now? Starmer I don't know where the | :16:18. | :16:28. | |
review is, but it is right that some people who know all the facts have a | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
look at what happened and see if there are any lessons that can be | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
learnt and things can be done differently. The threat from | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
terrorism is severe which means a threat is likely so we have to | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
remain vigilant. The killing of PC Palmer led some to argue that more | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
police officers should be armed with guns. What's your position on that | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
as head of the national police chiefs council? Well, the British | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
policing model is based on most officers being unarmed and we're | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
proud of that. Every chief constable is responsible for doing a review on | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
the threat and risk in his or her area and making sure there is | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
sufficient armed officers to deal with the threat. I think that we | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
would want to consider very carefully any options which moved | :17:15. | :17:15. | |
away from that. PC Palmer's name will be added | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
to the several thousand other officers who have lost their lives | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
in the line of duty in a special ceremony | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
at the National Police Memorial Denis Rowan is from The Police Roll | :17:27. | :17:28. | |
of Honour Trust will be there, but before he heads along | :17:29. | :17:46. | |
to the service we can speak to him Tell us about adding PC Palmer's | :17:47. | :17:55. | |
name to the Roll of Honour? The police national memorial holds the | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
names of all police officers that have fallen and this morning we're | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
adding PC Palmer's name to the Roll of Honour and in the future we will | :18:04. | :18:11. | |
be placing a memorial as like Yvonne Fletcher and 45 other officers as a | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
permanent reminder of the ultimate sacrifice that these officers have | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
given the citizens of the UK. And you were an officer in Greater | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
Manchester. You worked on the case of murdered PC Stephen Oak. This is | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
another reminder that police officers go to work in the morning | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
and sometimes may not come home? Yes. I wasn't a police officer. I | :18:36. | :18:43. | |
worked with Michael Winner for 45 years, I worked with the | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
Metropolitan Police, but it is true, we've dealt with all the families | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
over the past 40 years and we come up against all the problems of the | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
families and we look after the families and we become personal | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
friends to them like Michael was. It's a very difficult situation for | :19:02. | :19:09. | |
the trust, but we always put the family first when the trust is | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
placed. They come first during the event and afterwards we look after | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
them. We are honoured to this in Michael name. Thank you very much | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
for talking to us morning. Thank you very much. | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
The beautiful, peaceful great barrier reef, but now unprecedented | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
We'll be asking a climate expert what we can do to stop it. | :19:33. | :19:43. | |
Next this morning - the 30-year fight for justice. | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
Kris Maharaj was a multi-millionaire and one | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
of Britain's richest businessmen when he was sentenced | :19:51. | :19:51. | |
for a double murder more than 30 years ago. | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
He's been serving a life sentence in a United States jail since 1986, | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
for the murders of two men in a Miami hotel room, | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
although he has always maintained his innocence. | :20:04. | :20:04. | |
The case is seen by many as a miscarriage of justice, | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
and now, lawyers say they're more confident than ever that his | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
conviction will be overturned and he'll walk out of prison | :20:11. | :20:12. | |
They'll present new evidence to try and prove his innocence at an appeal | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
78-year-old Kris Maharaj's wife, who has stood by him | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
for over 30 years, is desperate to have her husband back | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
Marita Maharaj joins us now from Florida on a phone line. | :20:25. | :20:35. | |
As does Clive Stafford Smith, Kris Maharaj's lawyer | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
who has found evidence to support his client's innocence. | :20:38. | :20:49. | |
Tell our audience about this case and why you say it is a miscarriage | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
of justice? Chris was convicted and sentenced to death back then in 1986 | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
and over the years I've represented him now for 24 years. I had no grey | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
hair at the time I began! And we've gradually developed more and more | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
evidence, first the six alibi witnesses that show he's somewhere | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
else at the time of the crime, but then in the end, we managed to | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
develop a whole number of people who were working for the Columbian drug | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
cartels who say hey, that wasn't Kris Maharaj, that was one of ours. | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
We were the ones who did that murder because the victims were involved in | :21:28. | :21:35. | |
drugs and they owed a lot of money. Why would those involved in drug | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
cartels in Columbia just admit that? Well, it wasn't easy. Let me tell | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
you. I spent a lot of time going around the deep south sh the | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
different prisons and then with help from other people went to Columbia | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
and there are a lot of other people who say this is true, but are not | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
willing to go on the record, but six people did go on the record and they | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
include for example two informants who were working for the federal | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
Government. One was a CIA informant who says that he learned from one of | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
the cartel people at the time of the murders that they'd done the crime | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
and he just couldn't believe that Kris Maharaj had been sent to Death | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
Row for it when the central Government knew all along that he | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
didn't do it. You've worked on this case for as you say, a number of | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
decades now, but why have you always believed in his innocence? Well, I | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
went down at the request of the British Government actually back in | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
1993 to see Chris and I went with my scepticism fully intact and I met | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
Chris. And he just is a straight up guy. I believed him when he told me | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
that he had nothing to do with it. You know one of the most compelling | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
things to me is when the jury came back and convicted him, he passed | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
out. He fainted. He simply could not believe that these 12 jurors had | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
found him guilty, but, of course that was only the very beginning and | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
it was then when I started to investigate the case back then I | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
discovered this mountain of information that the Government had | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
covered up and there were the other bizarre things. Let's face it the | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
trial judge was arrested on day three of the trial because he | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
himself had been involved in a thing where he was taking money from | :23:19. | :23:25. | |
people who purported to be drug cartel folk, but were Florida law | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
enforcement and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs and the | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
trial continued. Just remarkable stuff. This new evidence, haven't | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
you present it had before November 2014 and you had it turned down | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
effectively? We went to State Court, not with all of the evidence, but a | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
certain amount of it and the State judge refused to grant a new trial. | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
I should say in my entire career and I've represented hundreds of people | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
on Death Row, I have never had an elected state judge order a trial | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
through a prisoner on Death Row. That's not to impune them as human | :24:00. | :24:11. | |
beings, but it they are elected. I hope that we're going to get more | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
justice in that courtroom. How optimistic are you? Apart from your | :24:16. | :24:23. | |
sin veer hope? Well, I hate to make promises particularly for his wife | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
and Chris. I have said for so many years, we're going to win. This time | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
the judges will do justice and I really thought notwithstanding my | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
history that the State judge would grant a new trial. So I said to his | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
wife I really hope that we will have you guys home in London by | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
Christmas, but in September 1914, that's what they said about World | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
War I, I don't want to be too optimistic. Optimistic about it. How | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
optimistic are you that this will lead to your husband being freed? | :24:57. | :25:04. | |
Well, I'm very optimistic for Chris. We really believe and hope that this | :25:05. | :25:12. | |
will be the end of our nightmare. You, of course, we are also worried | :25:13. | :25:22. | |
because we have so many times that we thought... That he was coming | :25:23. | :25:35. | |
home, not through the fault of the lawyers, but what happened in court. | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
I was going to ask you if you can tell us or tell our British audience | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
what kind of toll the last 30 years have taken on you, your husband and | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
your wider family? Well, it has been horrible. I cannot explain it | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
because nobody, unless you go through it, I don't think you can | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
understand it and you can believe that the things that we went | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
through. And we are going through at the moment. | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
It's very, very hard. Chris lost his - they took him away | :26:09. | :26:24. | |
for three months. I didn't know if he was dead or alive. A really, | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
really horrible situation and it is a horrible situation. I just try to | :26:32. | :26:39. | |
survive like Chris. We do have hope. We do believe that God will not - | :26:40. | :26:52. | |
will free him. If he is freed, will you both come back to the UK? | :26:53. | :27:03. | |
Immediately. OK, thank you. Clive Stafford-Smith as Kris Maharaj's | :27:04. | :27:05. | |
lawyer, what can you tell us about the man you believe is ultimately | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
responsible for the double murder in the Miami hotel room? Well, this is | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
all a shocking story. One of the witnesses we have to TV was a | :27:17. | :27:24. | |
federal informant who was a pilot for him and in Kris Maharaj, in 1986 | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
he was at his farm and he was telling him you better behave | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
yourself or I'll tell you what's going to happen to you and then he | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
went on to say the same will happen to you as happened to those people | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
who were killed in the hotel in Miami. There is a series of facts | :27:43. | :27:51. | |
like that. Now, you know, the Guy who really did has a nicknamed | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
called The Blade. He was later kidnapped by some other drug cartel | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
opponents. They tortured him and then they fed him through a wood | :28:03. | :28:12. | |
chipping machine. Pretty horrific things went on back then and Kris | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
was collateral damage in the process. We will see what happens. | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
Thank you very much, Clive Stafford-Smith who is Kris Maharaj | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
Kris Maharaj's lawyer and you heard from Kris Maharaj's wife who said if | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
he is finally released, they say, it is a miscarriage of justice, if he | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
is finally released they will return to their home, Britain, immediately. | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
We'll talk to the people who microdose illegal drugs, | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
And this image of a woman smiling at an English Defence League | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
protestor in Birmingham has gone viral. | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
She revealed she wasn't scared in the slightest. | :28:59. | :29:04. | |
We'll talk to Saffiyah Khan about why she intervened. | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
Here's Reeta in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
Thousands of police officers from across the UK are expected | :29:14. | :29:15. | |
at the funeral of PC Keith Palmer, who was killed | :29:16. | :29:17. | |
The 48-year-old was stabbed to death by Khalid Masood as he stood guard | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
Officers from across the country will line the route | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
to Southwark Cathedral, where a full police | :29:30. | :29:31. | |
He had a way of communicating with people from all walks of life, the | :29:32. | :29:44. | |
cleaners, the MPs, the security officers, the people on the streets. | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
Since I have been working back at the Houses of Parliament since, the | :29:49. | :29:56. | |
messages from people all over the country have given in support of | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
Keith and his family, it has been an amazing tribute to Keith and the way | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
that he was and the way that he behaved. | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
The UK is pushing for new sanctions on Russia if it | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
maintains its staunch support for Syrian President | :30:12. | :30:13. | |
The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is meeting with other | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
G7 leaders in Italy to discuss the situation - particularly | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
after last week's chemical attack in Syria that left more | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
The BBC has uncovered evidence that appears to implicate the Bank | :30:22. | :30:30. | |
of England in the so-called Libor scandal. | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
A secret recording from 2008 obtained by Panorama suggests it | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
repeatedly pressured commercial banks to push down the rates | :30:36. | :30:37. | |
at which they charged each other interest. | :30:38. | :30:39. | |
Here's our economics correspondent Andy Verity. | :30:40. | :30:50. | |
Police in Manchester have launched extra patrols in the city centre, | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
after receiving a surge in calls about people passing out from taking | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
Greater Manchester Police said they dealt with 31 calls relating | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
to the drug in 24 hours after it launched a two-day banning | :31:01. | :31:02. | |
It's been reported that the substance left some users | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
Australian scientists say two thirds of the Great Barrier Reef | :31:06. | :31:11. | |
has now been devastated by severe coral bleaching. | :31:12. | :31:13. | |
It's caused by rising water temperatures, and researchers say | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
surveys show an accelerated rate of damage along the | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
Mass bleaching makes the coral fragile and can kill it. | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
Victoria will be discussing this story before 11 this morning. Stay | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
with us for that. Join me for BBC Newsroom | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
live at 11 o'clock. Thank you, Reeta. This person says, | :31:31. | :31:59. | |
with regards to micro-dosing, it is neither addicting nor dangerous, ban | :32:00. | :32:00. | |
alcohol which is both. This person says, I know many people who | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
micro-dose on a basis, and this is the best way to control depression | :32:03. | :32:03. | |
and anti-social tendencies. Sergio Garcia has won his first | :32:04. | :32:18. | |
major. Manchester United keep Sunderland pegged to the bottom of | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
the table and move up to fifth. Everton ended Leicester's winning | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
run with a 4-2 victory, Romelu Lukaku is now the Premier League's | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
top scorer. At wasps left it late against Northampton to win - 30, a | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
last-minute try and conversion with the last kick of the game as wasps | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
stay top of the premiership. That is all your support for today. Thank | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
you, Jess. It's illegal and there's no medical | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
evidence to say what kind of harm it could cause you, | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
so why are some people doing it? We're talking about micro-dosing - | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
when you take a tiny amount of psychedelic drugs - | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
LSD or magic mushrooms usually - Our reporter Catrin Nye has been | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
meeting the people that do it. We played you her | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
full report earlier. Psychedelic drugs, | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
LSD, magic mushrooms, are usually associated | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
with long, mind-bending trips. Some people though are now taking | :33:14. | :33:15. | |
the Class A drugs in tiny doses. They argue it improves their day | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
but also, in some cases, helps deal Anna, whose name I've | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
changed, is a mum of two. She's tried micro-dosing with LSD | :33:22. | :33:34. | |
and magic mushrooms in the past. I had learned that a really useful, | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
nice thing to do with it would be to have it on a day off and have | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
quite a normal day. But the quality of that day, | :33:43. | :33:49. | |
on all sorts of fronts, So, I would go for a walk | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
and I would be struck All those bits of sense data, | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
that I think we often just lose, to getting stuff done | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
and being outcome-focused, would be There's something relaxing | :34:02. | :34:03. | |
and grounding about it. Simpa micro-doses regularly | :34:04. | :34:11. | |
with LSD and says it helps Can you tell me what you're dealing | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
with, and how it helps? Depression and anxiety as a result | :34:14. | :34:22. | |
of this childhood trauma that led to borderline personality disorder | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
and post-traumatic stress disorder. So, all of these things together, | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
are currently dealt with by GPs with a large amount of different | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
pills, each of which causes more side effects, I find | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
in my personal experience, than the benefits | :34:37. | :34:44. | |
these drugs provide. These substances, I've found, | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
give me the benefits There has recently been a cautious | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
revival in scientific trials James Rucker was recently | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
involved in a pilot trial at Imperial College London | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
looking at the use of magic It did not, however, | :35:02. | :35:03. | |
look at micro-dosing. Micro-dosing, we know, | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
at a medical level, There have been no trials looking | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
at micro-dosing at all, so we do not know whether there | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
are any benefits associated with it, or indeed if there are any | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
harms associated with it. The only way that we can sort out | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
whether or not it works or it doesn't is by doing a blinded | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
placebo-controlled randomised trial. The definition of a micro-dose | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
is you don't notice the subjective effect, but that doesn't mean | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
it is not having any effect on you. As well as this, the drugs | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
being used are Class A. Possession can result in up | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
to seven years in prison. How do you justify this fact | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
that it is completely illegal? When you're doing something | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
that is not causing any harm to anybody else, there's nothing | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
really that needs to We can talk now to two | :35:53. | :35:54. | |
people who featured We're not using their full names | :35:55. | :36:06. | |
for obvious reasons. Simpa, who micro-doses | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
LSD and occassionally And "Anna", which isn't her real | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
name, and has tried micro-dosing In our Salford studio | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
we have Harry Sumnall, a Professor in Substance Use, | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
at the Public Health Institute, Simpa, how did you start | :36:20. | :36:31. | |
experimenting with small doses? I experimented with recreational drugs | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
first of all, and then found that these were having almost a positive | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
hangover from the effects, and from there got the inclination to start | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
experimenting with small increments, and stuck to a quite routine I have | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
got to know with LST. What do you mean, a good routine? I divide up a | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
little tablet, cut it into a tour ten pieces, 15-20 milligrams each, | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
and take one of them over a period of a week, one per day, and it | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
revitalises my mood, it invigorates me and helps battle the traditional | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
symptoms go with depression and anxiety. How long have you been | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
doing this for? Two or three years, I would say. A number of people are | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
saying, it starts off with a tiny amount, but it is going to increase, | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
that is what happens with drugs. That is what happens with most rugs, | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
I suppose, but with LST, it doesn't compound. You don't get the | :37:29. | :37:30. | |
tolerance build-up from excessive use. You can't stack it high-dose, | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
you couldn't take one tablet every day, by the third day you wouldn't | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
get the traditional high. Have you tried other ways of getting that | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
kind of mini highlight exercise? I meditate, I do yoga, I am also vegan | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
so I control through diet, and these control similar parts of the brain | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
that these drugs help, so in conjunction with micro-dosing, I | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
find these other activities help. You have no idea long-term what this | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
will do to you? I don't, but I have lived for two decades with | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
depression and other conditions that have been frankly crippling, and | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
through utilising the substances in cannabis and MDMA, I have been able | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
to create a workable daily routine that allows me to maximise the | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
positives of my life while still unfortunately being ill and waiting | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
for psychiatric treatment. What about the fact that it is illegal? | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
Legality isn't a measure of morality in terms of what is legal isn't | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
always right. Slavery was legal. Apartheid was legal. I think in the | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
next decade or two, drug prohibition won't exist the does though, we will | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
understand that the substances are just tools. So you decide which laws | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
you follow? I follow my own moral compost in that if I don't harm | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
anybody else and I'm not harming myself as far as I know, there have | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
been no studies and trials, but LST is being experimented with since it | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
was first synthesised. Let me bring in Harris on the. What are the | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
problems that you can see here? With all drugs, many of the harmful | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
effects are potentially dose-related, so if micro-dosing you | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
are talking about very small doses, but if you look at LST and | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
psychedelics in general, there is a small risk it might unmask latent | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
psychopathology, and with potential health issues to begin with, that | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
can cause a problem, but in general, interesting studies from the United | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
States looking at some of the big health household studies, that has | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
generally shown that people who have a lifetime history of use of the | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
substances don't tend to be reporting more symptoms or seeking | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
more mental health support than people who have never used it. For | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
me, some of the problems, perhaps some of the most pertinent problems | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
are related to the illegal status of the drugs. There are class I drugs | :40:08. | :40:16. | |
that potentially carry a penalty of up to seven years imprisonment and | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
an unlimited fine, but a big issue particularly with LST is where the | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
drug is coming from. Can you be sure of your source? Over the last few | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
years we have had a few concerns over a class of drugs called on the | :40:30. | :40:39. | |
street M-bombs, and they have been associated with a number of deaths, | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
not just here but internationally in the United States and Australia as | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
well, so I think perhaps one of the biggest concerns is buying and using | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
a drug which you didn't intend, a drug which is potentially more | :40:52. | :40:59. | |
harmful than LST itself. And an point, Simpa, you say it doesn't | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
harm anybody else, but you know that when it comes to illegal drugs, all | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
sorts of expectation goes on, plenty of people are harmed, people are | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
exploited, traffic, abused, etc. But those are consequence of | :41:14. | :41:15. | |
prohibition, not the drugs themselves. If these drugs were | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
regulated like caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, the effect that they would | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
have on society would be less, and people would be in these academic | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
institutions open... That they are not legal, so people are abused and | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
exploited, etc. As a consequence of prohibition. But people are being | :41:37. | :41:44. | |
harmed. Yes, but not because of the drug itself. Anna, why did you start | :41:45. | :41:54. | |
micro-dosing? I experienced the positive hangover from recreational | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
drug use when I was much younger, and I alighted on it initially by | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
accident as a student when I had more time to kill. And I realised | :42:04. | :42:13. | |
that taking very small doses of LSD may be a lot happier at a time when | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
I wasn't happy, and it seemed to have a calming and grounding effect | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
on my mood and an ability to enjoy life and feel relaxed and be with | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
people. And later on in life, living somewhere where magic mushrooms grow | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
nearby, I was running a lot, and I noticed that they were there, and | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
just out of curiosity, I tried eating one or two of them, and I | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
found it had a similarly positive grounding levelling effect. And the | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
illegality of it? That wasn't an issue for you, the fact that through | :42:53. | :43:00. | |
the drugs trade, as I was making the point to Simpa, various people are | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
exploited, abused, etc? I completely agree with Simpa about the fact that | :43:05. | :43:12. | |
it is the illegality, the fact that the drugs trade is illegal, that | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
forces those situations. Washrooms don't have to go through a dealer if | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
they are growing on a hill nearby. And I would never keep anything | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
illegal in my home, that is a risk I am not prepared to put up with. But | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
when they were available, opportunistically, it was something | :43:36. | :43:42. | |
that I would do, and it was a positive experience. OK. Harry, in | :43:43. | :43:49. | |
terms of your message about micro-dosing, be clear, what is it? | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
I think with micro-dosing, it is an untested practice. We saw in your | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
film that there are investigations of higher doses of LSD taking place | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
in Imperial college, but these investigations have taken place in a | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
laboratory, with an on-site medical team, in a carefully controlled | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
trial. Some of the stories we have been hearing are interested, and it | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
is deserving of research, but whether it produces these profound | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
changes that people are reporting in the general population, Isaac that | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
requires further research. Thank you very much, thank you for your time, | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
and thank you to Tipuric to and Anna as well. | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
Is the Great Barrier Reef at a terminal stage? | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
We will ask a climate expert what can be done to stop this | :44:42. | :44:43. | |
Now, this photo of a woman smiling at an English Defence League | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
protester in Birmingham has been shared thousands of times | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
around the world since it was taken at the weekend. | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
Saffiyah Khan says she intervened when she saw another woman | :44:56. | :44:57. | |
The EDL claim she interrupted a minute's silence for | :44:58. | :45:05. | |
We can now speak to Saffiyah Khan, who is featured in the photo, | :45:06. | :45:13. | |
Instantaneously Tell us what you did and why? I ended up intervening | :45:14. | :45:25. | |
because I saw a woman surrounded by quite a large group of EDL members | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
and she looked quite intimidated and I don't think she was comfortable in | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
that position and I wasn't comfortable with her being there | :45:33. | :45:39. | |
either. What did you say? This that position, I couldn't really get to | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
her physically so the most I could do was agree with her verbally in | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
that I do believe they are racist as that's what she was saying as well | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
and that's what I ended up doing and then I was identified as someone who | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
opposed the EDL and it stemmed from there my involvement. So what were | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
you saying verbally? I'm trying to imagine the scenario and the | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
atmosphere? Personally I was saying racist scum off our streets. | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
And do you know what was being said to her or what the attitude towards | :46:17. | :46:24. | |
her was that led to you intervening? Yeah, well, it was, you're not | :46:25. | :46:32. | |
British. Kind of, putting a lot of questions about Islam is a religion | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
and the way it is carried out in various ways. She is not a | :46:37. | :46:45. | |
spokesperson for a religion. The moment when you're close up to the | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
EDL protestor, the photograph, shows you smiling. Did you have a | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
conversation with that man? I mean there was very little conversation | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
to be had. I think his aggression can be seen through the picture. I | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
didn't say very much to him and I can't exactly remember what he was | :47:06. | :47:08. | |
saying to me, but I think the puck ture afterwards kind of sums it up | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
because his finger was in my face. It wasn't a pleasant interaction. | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
How is it that you're smiling? Oh, how is it I'm smiling? Oh, I don't | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
know. Sometimes it's more important to smile than to shout. I did a fair | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
bit of shouting I'm under no delusion of that! It is a more | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
powerful message a lot of the time. I read that your dad said he brought | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
you and your sister up always to stand up to prejudice, is that | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
right? 100%, yeah. Yeah. I mean, facing people like this, it's not | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
something that I would want to do. I would love to live in a place where | :47:51. | :47:57. | |
we didn't have vulnerable women put in these situations, but yeah, | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
always stand up to it. I have no fear towards the EDL. | :48:01. | :48:11. | |
Why do you have no fear? Physically, I'm not indim tated by them in the | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
slightest. Its their own ideologies which are flawed and I can't feel | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
intimidated by someone or a group of people who have opinions like that. | :48:22. | :48:28. | |
There is, I don't feel intellectually intimidated. I don't | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
feel fear for them. You know they say apparently you interrupted a | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
minute's silence for terror attack victims. | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
I'd like to make it very clear, people that know me, even at a very | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
low level of understanding would tell you, would vouch for me in | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
saying that a minute's silence held by anybody from either side, whether | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
it be EDL or UDAF, but the video evidence shows it as well, there | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
wasn't a minute's silence whilst I was there. It's a an attempt at | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
smearing because the situation is in my favour. The Birmingham MP Jess | :49:11. | :49:17. | |
Phillips, there are a number of tweets about you and the photograph | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
and the one that's been picked up the most, who looks like they have | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
power, the real Brummie or the EDL who migrated for the day to our city | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
and failed to assimilate? As a message, the image, because of your | :49:32. | :49:39. | |
smile, is powerful, isn't it? Yeah, I think, very unintentionally it | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
became a very, very powerful picture and yeah it has been a strange | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
experience for it to go viral as well. | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
What do you think about the fact that it has gone viral, what does it | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
say? Well, it kind of installs a hope about communities and the power | :49:56. | :50:03. | |
of people who oppose EDL because often we see they are not people we | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
can relate to. They look aggressive, they look like thugs, whereas when | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
you see a girl who is quite young getting involved with things like | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
this, more people are willing to help and support. It has had an | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
amazing response. Thank you very much for talking to us. Saffiyah | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
Khan, thank you very much. In 2016 the Government announced | :50:29. | :50:45. | |
that gay and by sexual men convicted of now abolished sexual offences | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
would receive pardons. George Montague was convicted in 1974 of | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
gross indecency with a manment the conviction was repealed in May | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
2004ment the 93-year-old who has fought for an apology has received | :51:01. | :51:01. | |
one from the Home Office. Actually, understand that we offer | :51:02. | :51:33. | |
this full apology, their treatment was entirely unfair. What happened | :51:34. | :51:40. | |
to these men is a matter of the greatest regret and it should be so | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
to all of us, it really made my day. I was over the moon and the wording | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
is so wonderful and so explicit. Abject apology. | :51:52. | :51:53. | |
From the Government. More on that on the World At One | :51:54. | :52:04. | |
programme on Radio 4. Unprecedented coral bleaching | :52:05. | :52:13. | |
in consecutive years has damaged two-thirds | :52:14. | :52:14. | |
of Australia's Great Barrier Reef, The bleaching, or loss of algae, | :52:15. | :52:16. | |
affects a 900 mile area of the reef. We can speak to Dr James Kerry | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
from the National Coral Bleaching Hopefully we will talk to the owner | :52:24. | :52:43. | |
of a marine and diving business. Good morning from us. Hi there. | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
Explain to our British audience what coral bleaching is and how it | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
happens. Coral bleaching occurs when a coral gets stressed and the coral | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
have very small algae that live within them and they photo | :52:57. | :53:05. | |
synthesise and give the coral food. The algae are colourful so the coral | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
turns this white colour when the algae leave and that's what a | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
bleached coral is. It is a coral without its algae that's begun to | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
starve. Why is the algae getting excited or stressed? It's quite a | :53:20. | :53:28. | |
complex relationship, but basically, when they get too hot, they become | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
hyper reactive and produce toxins, but the coral host doesn't like it | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
and it kicks them out. Why are they getting too hot? Well, we have found | :53:38. | :53:46. | |
that the corals that are bleaching are bleaching in the areas where the | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
seawater is abnormally hot and we believe that is a result of global | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
warming and carbon emissions and that's the primary reason why we're | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
seeing the coral bleaching events occurring more frequently and with | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
more intensity. And why do you believe it is to do with man-made | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
global warming? Well, the science is unequivocal. Carbon ems are causing | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
a rapid increase in global temperatures that is unprecedented | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
and you know there is plenty of information to demonstrate that. | :54:22. | :54:28. | |
John Rumney, owner of Eye to Eye Marine Encounters, | :54:29. | :54:30. | |
which runs diving and fishing tours on the Great Barrier Reef. | :54:31. | :54:32. | |
Hello John. Can you hear me OK? Yes, very well. Welcome everyone. Thank | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
you for talking to us. Tell us what difference you see under the water | :54:39. | :54:46. | |
then? It's absolutely depressing. Last year, when you went out to the | :54:47. | :54:53. | |
dive sites which were featured in the BBC and in the up and coming | :54:54. | :55:00. | |
Blue Planet series, some of the best places on the Barrier Reef, you went | :55:01. | :55:06. | |
back and there was 80% to 90% bleaching which does not mean that | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
they're going to die, but they're certainly under stress and then | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
after about two months of that, we then could really see what the | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
mortality was and we had probably about 40% in this area of mortality | :55:22. | :55:29. | |
of those reefs. So, just in a few months, you know, we basically lost | :55:30. | :55:35. | |
40%, 50% of the healthy reef. So from a tourist prospective, which is | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
your business obviously, what colours are tourists supposed to see | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
and what are they seeing now? Well, there is all sorts of mauves and | :55:46. | :55:55. | |
browns, but a brown coral is a very healthy coral. Depending on which | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
kind of algae is living in the flesh of that coral, helps distinguish its | :56:01. | :56:06. | |
colour. OK. So, first it when it gets stressed it will go this odd | :56:07. | :56:13. | |
colour and then if it keeps stressing it will go white which is | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
where it has expelled all of the algae. If that continues for a | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
period of time, up to two to four weeks then often that coral would | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
die. Let me bring Dr James Kerry back in. | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
When are you going to know the full damage to the reef? When will that | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
be? Yes, you know, this damage comes in phases. So, the corals that die | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
from starvation from the loss of algae, that will become apparent | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
within about six months, but you start to get other impacts like | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
disease, the corals are stressed, they're weak so even the ones that | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
recover from the bleaching maybe more susceptible to other impacts | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
like disease that can actually, you know, cause a second kind of die | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
off. So we're still monitoring the mortality that's occurred following | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
the event last year and now we've got this second bleaching event and | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
so, we need to continue to monitor the Great Barrier Reef over the next | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
few years closely to see what the full I will pact of these two events | :57:24. | :57:26. | |
is. Thank you both very much for coming on the programme. | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
We will show you these pictures of PC Keith Palmer's name being added | :57:33. | :57:40. | |
to the national police memorial in London. It is by Horse Guards | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
Parade. Thousands of police officers from forces across the country will | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
line the streets of Central London this afternoon for the funeral | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
procession of the officer who, as you know, was murdered in last | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
month's Westminster attack. PC Palmer was guarding the Houses of | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
Parliament when he was stabbed on 22nd March. He will have a full | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
police funeral this afternoon. Coverage on BBC News, of course, as | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
you'd expect across the day. PHONE RINGS | :58:08. | :58:32. | |
'Police emergency.' Every two minutes, someone in | :58:33. | :58:35. | |
Britain is reported missing. You feel helpless, like, | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
where do I go, where do I start? Follow missing person | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
investigations as they unfold. | :58:43. | :58:47. |