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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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Our top story today - a political earthquake in France.

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The two major parties that have ruled the country for decades

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have been swept aside - instead, voters will chose

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between a relative political novice and an anti-immigration,

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Full coverage of the presidential elections

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TRANSLATION: I want to become the president of all the people of

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France, the president of the Patriots, in the face of threats

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from the Nationalists. TRANSLATION: The time has come to get rid of all

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the arrogant people who wanted to dictate to the people what they

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should do. I am the candidate the people.

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Also this morning: caring for an elderly

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relative 24 hours a day - we've been to meet those who give

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up their lives to look after a family member.

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Its chips the person of the personality that they really are. I

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have lost my best friend -- it strips the person of their

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personality. And as Ukip call for a ban

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on full face veils - one woman who wears a niqab tells us

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it will lead to a rise Throughout the programme,

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the latest breaking news and developing stories -

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and as always, really A little later, we'll be

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talking about scoliosis. If you were watching Britain's Got

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Talent on Saturday night, you will have seen Julie, the dancer in the

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middle, talking about her curvature of the spine. That is what scoliosis

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is. As a result of discussing that on prime-time telly on a Saturday

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night, people are learning about it sometimes for the first time.

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If you're affected by scolosis, do get in touch this morning -

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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Voters in France have chosen the two candidates who will go

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through to the final round of the presidential

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They are the independent centrist, Emmanuel Macron, and the leader

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of the far-right National Front, Marine Le Pen.

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It's the first time in six decades that neither of France's main

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left-wing or right-wing parties has had a candidate in the run-off

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to replace Francois Hollande as French leader.

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Our Europe Correspondent, James Reynolds has more.

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Emmanuel Macron is France's newcomer, and now the winner of this

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He is an insider who's run as an outsider.

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The 39-year-old is a pro-EU, pro-business centrist.

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He resigned as a minister in order to form his own political movement.

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TRANSLATION: I hope that in a fortnight,

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His supporters believe that the rest of the country

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This is Emmanuel Macron's first election.

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The French people still hardly know him.

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He is now the favourite to become this country's next president.

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Marine Le Pen, the Front National leader, will fight Emmanuel Macron

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She won more votes than the party has ever won before.

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It matches her father Jean-Marie's achievement 15 years ago in reaching

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TRANSLATION: The French people must take this historic opportunity,

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because the biggest issue is the globalisation that's putting

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In Bastille Square in Paris, some left-wing protesters faced

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These demonstrators were angered by the results of this vote.

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They, and the rest of the country, will have their final say

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These two finalists are offering completely opposite visions of

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France in the future? They are indeed. And what is interesting in

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all of this is how the old left right divide in French politics has

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vote. It is a process which is vote. It is a process which is

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arguably happening in other countries as well, but here it is

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very stark. The old parties, the Republicans on the right and the

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socialists who have dominated politics for 60 years have been

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completely clipped by this new divide which, as you say, is between

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the global and the national. Marine Le Pen is clearly articulating the

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view of the victims or those who have not benefited from

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globalisation, the old white working class, who want more protection and

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a return to national borders and are very much opposed to the globalised

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Europe which has become the norm. And then Emmanuel Macron, who alone

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of all the candidates yesterday has taken up the cudgels for Europe in

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saying yes, it needs to be changed and reformed, but let's not throw

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out the baby with the bath water. out the baby with the bath water.

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Let's keep something that is precious to us and will be necessary

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for future prosperity. So we do have a very divided country. Although

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Emmanuel Macron has emerged as the surprise winner yesterday and must

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be regarded as the favourite, if he does become president, he will have

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to rule a country in which this dividing line between haves and

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have-nots, or beneficiaries and sufferers from the system, will be

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very stark indeed. Joanna is in the BBC

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Newsroom, with a summary A man's been arrested in connection

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with the murder of a former Royal Navy officer thought to have

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been run over by his own car. It's thought Michael

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Samwell - who was 35 - was killed when he confronted

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thieves outside his home in Chorlton in the early

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hours of Sunday morning. How did a disturbance at a house

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in the early hours end Michael Samwell and his wife

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were woken up by a loud noise, and the former Royal Naval Officer

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went downstairs to have a look. The exact sequence of events that

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followed is not clear, but outside, now cordoned off,

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the 35-year-old was run over He was taken to hospital,

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where he later died of his injuries. The vehicle was found

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abandoned a few miles away. You hear a noise downstairs

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and you go and see what it is. It's incredibly tragic

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that he has lost his life. This is described as a quiet

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corner of Manchester. And gathered in silence,

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people came to pay their respects, I am a bit shaken up

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because obviously, One theory is they did

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break in simply to get If that is the case, it's led

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to a far more serious enquiry. Four drivers have admitted falling

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asleep while operating trams in Croydon, where seven people

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were killed when a tram derailed A investigation for

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the Victoria Derbyshire programme has also discovered

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a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle",

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that was not reported to the regulator, and three

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incidents of speeding Tram Operations Ltd,

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which runs the line, said driver fatigue was monitored

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and controls were Jeremy Corbyn is promising to repeal

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what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation brought

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in by the Conservatives The Labour leader is

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making his first campaign visit to Scotland today,

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where his party is trying to claw back support after huge losses

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in the election two years ago. Two men are due to appear in court

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today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub

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in east London on Easter Monday, which left two people

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blind in one eye. Arthur Collins, who's

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24 and the boyfriend of the reality TV star,

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Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one

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count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause

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grievous bodily harm. The Government will go

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to the High Court to try to delay publishing its strategy

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for tackling air pollution. Today was the deadline for ministers

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to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean

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they can't publish sensitive policies before

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the general election. Campaigners say they're trying

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to dodge a difficult issue. Tougher punishments for the most

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serious cases of speeding have come into force in England

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and Wales today. Drivers can now be fined one

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and a half times their weekly that means driving over 50 miles

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an hour in a 30 zone or And a 12-year-old who was trying

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to drive across the entire breadth of Australia has been picked

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up by police. The boy was pulled over

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already 800 miles into his journey in Broken Hill

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in the New South Wales outback on Saturday after a patrol noticed

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the car's bumper dragging Police believe he'd planned to keep

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going all the way to Perth, That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30. Thank you for your comments about

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being carers. Brian says, I gave up my business to care for my mum, who

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has Alzheimer's. I didn't want to go into a care home. Jamie says as a

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carer, you learn to shut yourself down and work 24 hours a day. Chris

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says I was an unpaid care for my dad until he died two years ago. Unpaid

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carers have been saving the care system 's fortunes for years. The

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saving from my family must be in six figures. And Leanne says your report

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looks heartbreaking. Well done, soon. That is the woman we feature

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in our film in the next few minutes. You are doing well and it is OK to

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feel like running. If you are a carer for a relative, get in touch

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and tell us what it is like. Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged It is going to be Arsenal against

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Chelsea in the FA Cup final. Has the pressure eased on Arsene Wenger?

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Probably not. Arsenal fans are celebrating, but many are divided on

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whether they want Arsene Wenger to carry on as manager. He is out of

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contract in the summer, but the big win for him in Wembley. Sergio

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Aguero gave City the lead at Wembley before Nacho Monreal equalised for

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Arsenal, drilling at the far post from Oxlade-Chamberlain's cross, and

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then it went into extra time. 1-1 after 90 minutes. This was Alexi

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scrambling in a winner to book Arsenal and FA Cup final day with

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Chelsea. Hugely significant for both managers. Arsene Wenger, it is not

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often we have seen him smile this season. Seventh in the Premier

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League, with so much speculated about his future, but he is on to

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win the FA Cup for the seventh time. Not so good for this man, Pep

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Guardiola. He will end this season without a trophy, the first time in

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his coaching career that he has done that. We expected special things.

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The former Barca and Bayern Munich boss, no trophy for him and they

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have the Manchester derby on Thursday as well. Barcelona's Lionel

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Messi cannot stop scoring. What a game last night. It was a

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sensational game. He is a freak of nature, no other way to describe

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Lionel Messi. Let's look at the goals from last night. Barcelona

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were trailing 1-0 at the Bernabeu, on enemy territory. This was him

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levelling up to make it 1-1. It then went to 2-2 with Sergio Ramos sent

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off for the home side. Cue an incredible last 15 minutes. That was

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Lionel Messi, sticking away his 500th goal! He's still only 29. A

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casual 47 goals for this season and more importantly for Barcelona, they

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leapfrog Real Madrid at the top of the La Liga title race, which blows

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it wide open. And from the London Marathon yesterday, so many amazing

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stories, but it was quite a day for the Swansea Harriers running club.

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It was. Look at these pictures. 5 million of you watched this. This is

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David Wyatt. You may have seen his brother present the sport on this

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programme. He was struggling to reach the finishing line. His hero

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on the left, Matthew Rees, came to help him. Dave was on for a two-hour

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38 finish, and a starting time. He still managed it in under three

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hours. I have played football with Dave before and seen him doing

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better than that. I texted him last time. He said he has had a big

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burger and is feeling much better. He was on BBC Breakfast this morning

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and is holding his own press conference, very presidential! But

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it is great for Swansea Harriers. Another great story from yesterday

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singer that this is Josh Griffiths, 23 years old. Two hours and 14

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minutes and 54 seconds. He is going to qualify for the World

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Championships. We will hopefully hear from him at ten o'clock. I have

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texted him to see if he will come and have a chat. I don't know how

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anybody wants a marathon! Amazing if anyone -- for anyone who got to the

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end. As the country faces a care crisis,

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several charities have told this programme they want social care

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to be a top priority Alzheimer's Society,

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Independent Age and UK Homecare Association are calling

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for political parties to feature the issue high up

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on their manifestos, with better funding a key

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area they want the next The Government says it's investing

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an extra ?2 billion in social care, This morning, we're going

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to bring you an insight Sue Jenkins says she's basically

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given up her life to care for her mother Patricia,

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who is 88 and needs She has dementia, is doubly

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incontinent and uses a wheelchair. Our reporter James Longman

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has been to meet her. What's it like to spend

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your life looking after To sometimes not sleep, not eat,

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not really have much We spent 24 hours with 88-year-old

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Patricia Jenkins and her daughter She had funding to keep her mum

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at home stopped twice by the authorities,

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but she is battling on. It's 8am and Sue is getting

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Patricia ready for the day. Patricia suffers from Alzheimer's

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and is also disabled. She is doubly incontinent

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and wheelchair bound. Whilst Sue does have carers

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to assist her at different times, her life is wholly dedicated

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to looking after her mother. She has a lot of challenging

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behaviour, screaming, hitting out... That's part of that illness and it

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strips the person of the personality What is it like for you,

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for your mum to hit you, The stress on you must

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be pretty intense. Yes, it's heartbreaking and it can

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make you feel useless. As she is saying that

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you are and it can make you quantity As she is saying that

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you are and it can make you want to run for the hills

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and just run into the night and there have been

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many occasions where I just wanted to run off thinking

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I was a useless carer. Patricia can't spend more

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than a couple of hours away from her daughter before

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she becomes too distressed. People watching might just sort

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of think, you've given up your life. Very outward going person,

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but I take care of my I feel like I'm

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constantly dropping you. OK.

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All right mummy. Sue has one or two carers

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at various times in the week, But even so, her mother

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constantly calls for her. It's clear that Sue

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is finding the going tough. It's horrible to see her

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so distressed like that. She doesn't want to come

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back in half the time. You've got a carer here,

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but it is up and down, People watching this might sort

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of say is it not time And the Government want to encourage

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people to stay in their own homes and nurse people in their own homes

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and say there is support out there for carers

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that there is, but there isn't. It's the most isolating situation

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anyone could find themselves in. And your mother I suppose is the one

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person you should be able Somewhere inside, but you know,

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the person I dearly love and dearly want to talk to about so many things

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has left me already and the thought of losing her fills me with complete

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dread because my life Do you want to go?

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She is shouting for you again. Sweetheart, can you just give us

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a little bit of quiet for a minute? All right, we'll get

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you changedment all right. We gave Sue a camera to show us

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what it's like overnight. She has been highly

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agitated all evening and to the point where we had to go

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for a walk around midnight. The nights are when things

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can get really bad. Her skin needs to be

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prepared for the cold air. We tried to speak to Patricia,

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but she becomes very agitated with people she doesn't know

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and that wasn't possible. OK, we're getting you out,

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don't worry about it. Sue sometimes goes

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without sleep altogether. Tonight pains in her abdomen have

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kept Patricia awake. So we get on and hoist

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her into bed now. We've managed to

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settle mummy in bed. But she's still a

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little bit restless. I've been on the go now all day

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with a pretty bad day. Mother in quite a state and anyway,

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I'm going to go and get another hot-water bottle and see if I can

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get some sleep before It's early morning and

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the routine starts again. We tried to change her because she

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was incontinent which she has been through the night,

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but we couldn't roll her and turn her at all,

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she was quite aggressive So we couldn't actually

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move her physically. She was resisting and then

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grabbing hold of us both and so unfortunately

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because of that, because she has been to the toilet it then spread

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and we've really been trying to clean her up and it

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has been a big clean up Being here, you really get a sense

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of what being a carer is like and I mean just on a couple

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hours sleep, Sue is up every morning looking after her mother, yes,

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she has carers here, but she almost has to manage them

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as well and this is her whole life. I mean, just looking

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after her mum and it has been It costs over ?2,500 a week

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to keep Patricia at home. But Sue says they have twice tried

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to stop that funding in order to force her to put Patricia

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in a home. She says she feels constantly

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hounded by authorities and has been taken to court over payments

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she says she isn't liable for. The hours that have been stolen

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from me over this court case where I have had to e-mail

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after e-mail after e-mail and chase and phone,

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it has taken hours away, hours that belong

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to my mother and I. Six years ago, Sue's husband

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left her when she decided to look I have good friends,

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but the friends that don't understand go by the wayside

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and you find that having any kind of relationship in my situation

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is very difficult too and that can It would take a very understanding

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man to understand my situation. Every so often Sue takes

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her mother on days out. They can't go too far,

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but today it's a trip to the sea. That's for us to drink because we

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haven't had any lunch yet. Do you want me to see

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if I can put some music on? There are those beautiful tender

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moments, the occasional little I think people watching this

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and seeing what you go through will ask themselves well,

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when does this stop, what happens when it is too much,

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when you can't see any enjoyment anymore, when maybe you can't

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look after her anymore? Do you even talk

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about that with her? I don't talk about it with her. It

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is unimaginable that I would never look after. I get the sense of a

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carer that's related to the person they're caring for, you might be

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better equipped to look after them, but then are you really ready to let

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go? No, not really if I'm honest. I don't even want to think about it.

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You can see the bond between Sue and her mother and you can see those

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glimpses of the woman Patricia clearly was of the there is a lot of

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love there, but this whole situation had a big emotional impact

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particularly on Sue and you know this is just a woman who really

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needs help. Over six million people in the UK

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volunteer to care for sick or elderly relatives. Those numbers are

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going up and so are the pressures. It's so moving. It is something that

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affects so many of you judging by the number of comments we're

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receiving. Let's have a look. Karen, "It is

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incredibly hard to be a carer. My mum needs everything doing for her.

:27:14.:27:17.

I share the caring with my brother, mainly over the whole weekendful she

:27:18.:27:21.

does have carers popping in, but not every day and the carers don't have

:27:22.:27:26.

enough time to do what's necessary. So I find myself cleaning up after

:27:27.:27:31.

them. Carers themselves are not looked after enough, not paid enough

:27:32.:27:35.

and have little respect in their own job." This texter says, "I am a

:27:36.:27:39.

carer for my son who has special needs as well as other issues. It is

:27:40.:27:44.

hard work and demanding. You never get time to yourself and when you

:27:45.:27:49.

do, you're mentally drained." That teen says, "I am a full-time carer

:27:50.:27:54.

for my mum. She won't let anyone look after her even for a day."

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Elaine, "I am puzzled, looking after relatives. The unpaid word suggests

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it a state responsibility. Surely it is a family responsibility." Thank

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you for those. Keep them coming in. And after 10:30am, we'll be hearing

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from people around the UK who care If you do - get in touch and give us

:28:16.:28:18.

an insight into your day. Ukip says it would ban full veils

:28:19.:28:23.

worn by some Muslim women 15-year-old Julia Carlile raised

:28:24.:28:28.

awareness of scoliosis when she danced her way

:28:29.:28:44.

through to the semi-finals But the surgery available

:28:45.:28:47.

in the UK to correct it An e-mail from Bethany on this to

:28:48.:29:02.

say, "Peu was dig knowed with this at eight years old. My curvature was

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severe and I had my spinal fusion operation aged ten. My parents

:29:10.:29:12.

didn't think I would walk againment however, I was determined to exceed

:29:13.:29:17.

expectations. I got all As and A stars at dance and drama at school

:29:18.:29:22.

and I have gone on to study per fortunatelying arts and have become

:29:23.:29:29.

a professional performer and dancer and choreographer." Thank you,

:29:30.:29:30.

Bethany. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom,

:29:31.:29:33.

with a summary of today's news. A former banker will take

:29:34.:29:38.

on the anti-immigration far right leader Marine Le Pen in the second

:29:39.:29:40.

round of the French Emmanuel Macron came first

:29:41.:29:43.

in the vote yesterday. He's seen as a political newcomer

:29:44.:29:49.

and ran as an independent. It's the first time in six decades

:29:50.:29:53.

the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run-off to become

:29:54.:29:56.

French president. A man has been arrested

:29:57.:30:00.

in connection with the murder of a former

:30:01.:30:02.

Royal Navy officer thought to have It's thought Mike Samwell -

:30:03.:30:05.

who was 35 - was killed when he confronted

:30:06.:30:09.

thieves outside his home in the Chorlton area of Manchester

:30:10.:30:11.

in the early hours Mr Samwell was asleep with his wife

:30:12.:30:13.

Jessica when the intruders struck. Four drivers have admitted falling

:30:14.:30:17.

asleep while operating trams in Croydon, where seven people

:30:18.:30:19.

were killed when a tram derailed A investigation for

:30:20.:30:22.

the Victoria Derbyshire programme has also discovered

:30:23.:30:28.

a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle",

:30:29.:30:31.

that was not reported to the regulator, and three

:30:32.:30:33.

incidents of speeding Tram Operations Ltd,

:30:34.:30:35.

which runs the line, said driver fatigue was monitored

:30:36.:30:41.

and controls were We'll bring you more on that

:30:42.:30:43.

investigation after 10 o'clock. Jeremy Corbyn is promising to repeal

:30:44.:30:48.

what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation,

:30:49.:30:52.

brought in by the Conservatives, The Labour leader will make

:30:53.:30:55.

the pledge today to trade union members in Scotland,

:30:56.:30:59.

where his party's trying to claw back support after huge losses

:31:00.:31:02.

in the election two years ago. Two men are due to appear in court

:31:03.:31:05.

today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub

:31:06.:31:09.

in east London on Easter Monday, which left two people

:31:10.:31:12.

blind in one eye. Arthur Collins, who's

:31:13.:31:14.

24 and the boyfriend of the reality TV star,

:31:15.:31:18.

Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one

:31:19.:31:21.

count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause

:31:22.:31:24.

grievous bodily harm. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:31:25.:31:30.

News - more at 10.00. Time for the latest sport now.

:31:31.:31:40.

Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey said the team want to win the FA Cup for Arsenal

:31:41.:31:44.

Wenger. It will be an all London final between Arsenal and Chelsea

:31:45.:31:48.

next month. They came from behind to take the tie into extra time before

:31:49.:31:52.

Alexis Sanchez scrambled in that winner. It finished 2-1. Bigelow

:31:53.:31:59.

Kante has won the professional footballers Association Player of

:32:00.:32:03.

the Year award. Tottenham's Dele Alli won the Young player prize for

:32:04.:32:08.

the second successive year. 500 goals now for Lionel Messi in a

:32:09.:32:12.

Barcelona shirt. His side blue La Liga post by title race open with a

:32:13.:32:18.

dramatic victory at Real Madrid, Messi with a stoppage time winner.

:32:19.:32:22.

And they club runner with Swansea Harriers stunned Britain's elite men

:32:23.:32:26.

at the London Marathon to qualify for the 2017 World Championships in

:32:27.:32:31.

London. Josh Griffiths, who is 23, finished in two hours, 14 minutes

:32:32.:32:35.

and 49 seconds on his marathon debut. Victoria Warner speak to him

:32:36.:32:41.

just after ten. -- Victoria Warner speak to him.

:32:42.:32:42.

Ukip says its election manifesto will include a pledge to ban

:32:43.:32:45.

the full face veils worn by some Muslim women.

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The party leader, Paul Nuttall, suggested people

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who continued to wear a niqab or a burqa would be fined.

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A niqab, on the left, allows the eyes to be seen.

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So does this policy amount to an attack on Muslims?

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Let's bring together Sahar Al Faifi, who's worn

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She is a geneticist and assistant Secretary General of the Muslim

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Council of Wales and also with us, Liz Jones, who's on Ukip's National

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Liz Jones, tell Sahar why you would ban what she is wearing right now.

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Two reasons. Firstly, the issue of security. I'm sure you are aware

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that on the 21st of May 2005, one of the London bombers endeavoured to

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escape by wearing the full niqab. So we have a security issue. I am sure

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you are also aware that there was a recent robbery at Selfridges store

:33:48.:33:51.

in London, where all the robbers wore the niqab. I am also sure you

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are aware that there were big issues in student campuses and the

:33:56.:34:03.

dormitories in Cairo, Jordan and Afghanistan with terrorists entering

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those buildings wearing the niqab. So we have a security issue. On that

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point, would you ban motorcycle helmets and balaclavas, because we

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have had robberies with people wearing those? Using the same logic?

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No, because it is about the sharing of public space. You cannot enter

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certain public areas. But you can commit a robbery wearing a

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motorcycle helmet or balaclava. But you are not saying the ban

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motorcycle helmets? No, because there is another element. The second

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element is the issue of integration. We have to accept that the move of

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the 21st century is towards inclusiveness and cohesion within

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the public space. So many people would consider that a woman being

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covered would show that she is separated, whether willingly or

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unwillingly, from society. In fact, I am sure you are aware that in

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2006, Jack Straw, the Labour MP, spoke vociferously against the face

:35:19.:35:21.

veil and he was supported by Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. In January

:35:22.:35:28.

2016, David Cameron reiterated that and said public authorities should

:35:29.:35:31.

have the right to set down reasonable rules with regard to the

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wearing of the face veil. Lets let Sahar respond now. Thank you. First

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of all, I have to explain why I am wearing the face veil. Firstly, it

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is an act of worship. I am a human being on a spiritual journey, trying

:35:47.:35:49.

to connect with God. That is why I wear it. The narrative that the face

:35:50.:35:58.

veil somehow undermine security is a false narrative. Muslim women who

:35:59.:36:07.

choose to wear it are a minority within a minority. And this minority

:36:08.:36:12.

are more than happy to reveal their identity with an ID card whenever

:36:13.:36:18.

needed. So security is a false narrative. With the rise of

:36:19.:36:24.

Islamophobia and the hostile environment around Muslims, there

:36:25.:36:29.

are politicians making irresponsible comments across the political

:36:30.:36:36.

spectrum, not only Ukip. It now sits the context that we live to demonise

:36:37.:36:41.

and scapegoat minorities. And the easiest target for that is the

:36:42.:36:47.

Muslim woman. If we are talking about empowering Muslim women and

:36:48.:36:49.

enhancing their integration, surely you should support their right to

:36:50.:36:54.

express their faith in the way they want. Theresa May said on hijab day

:36:55.:37:01.

in February, what a woman wears is her choice. So when we have people

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telling us it is actually a security issue and undermines integration, we

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have to talk to the women who choose to wear it. I am a geneticist. I

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participate in public life. I campaign for social justice. But

:37:24.:37:28.

when you have the far right like Ukip trying to distract the public

:37:29.:37:32.

from the more important issues like housing, unemployment and creating

:37:33.:37:40.

jobs for youth using this piece of fabric that I'd choose to wear as

:37:41.:37:43.

part of my faith, part of my identity. I have to say, it is not a

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far issue. As I said, in 2006, Jack Straw... He apologised for it. He

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apologised publicly. But he did have the support of Gordon Brown and Tony

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Blair. But he said it was a mistake. Please don't talk at once.

:38:19.:38:21.

I will give each of you the right time. It is not an issue with regard

:38:22.:38:36.

to religion per se because in 2017, the grand mosque in Mecca bandit. It

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is not common to wear it in Iran, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan.

:38:44.:38:50.

Britain is a multicultural society. Of course, that is why in the

:38:51.:38:55.

private sphere, you are free to wear whatever you want. However, because

:38:56.:39:01.

we are a multicultural nation now, the public sphere has to have

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communality so that all segments of society can feel that they belong.

:39:08.:39:18.

Does communality mean everyone has the look the same? This is a

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simulation, not integration. Everyone has the right to express

:39:24.:39:29.

their faith, their sexual orientation, their belief, their

:39:30.:39:31.

views, as long as they don't harm anyone. This is how we live today in

:39:32.:39:38.

a multicultural British society. I am not going to accept to be

:39:39.:39:43.

assimilated into the larger society for the sake of value to my identity

:39:44.:39:52.

or my faith. If we are talking about integration, we should create an

:39:53.:39:56.

equal space for everyone to express whatever they want. Liz Jones, your

:39:57.:40:03.

leader Paul Nuttall said yes, wear it in the privacy of your own home,

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but when you are out and about, you would be fine. How would that work?

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That would be a matter for the police to organise. I understand

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they have organised in France, where it has been illegal since 2011 to

:40:17.:40:21.

wear the burqa. I don't know how the police would manage that. That would

:40:22.:40:26.

be a matter for them. Anti-Muslim sentiment has led to an increase in

:40:27.:40:30.

physical, verbal and online attacks previously in Britain. Do you think

:40:31.:40:36.

the same will happen this time? Not at all. There are many Muslims in

:40:37.:40:42.

this country who would support a burqa ban. We have had well-known

:40:43.:40:46.

Muslims speaking out. Salman Rushdie has spoken out against it. But would

:40:47.:40:52.

it lead to an increase in attacks? By banning it? If the face veil was

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made a criminal offence, or a low-level offence... What do you

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mean? It would be a par with anti-social behaviour, a previous

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Labour initiative. If it were at that level, I don't see why it would

:41:14.:41:17.

result in more attacks, because people would presumably be obeying

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the law in which case the faces would be uncovered. How about I

:41:23.:41:27.

speak to you from my experience? After Brexit, there was a sharp

:41:28.:41:30.

increase in Islamophobic attacks. I am facing so many Islamophobic

:41:31.:41:36.

attacks that it has become part of my life because of your

:41:37.:41:40.

irresponsible comments against Muslims, alienating them all the

:41:41.:41:45.

time for the sake of getting votes. I will give you an example. I did an

:41:46.:41:49.

interview with the BBC in response to the proposed anti-extremism laws

:41:50.:41:55.

by David Cameron and someone passed by, looked fearlessly at the camera

:41:56.:42:00.

and swore at me, you are an F word bummer, because you and the likes of

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you said that I and -- is a Muslim unthreatening society. When people

:42:09.:42:11.

see politicians like you speaking in the media like this, someone in the

:42:12.:42:17.

street had the guts to look at the camera and said, you're an F word

:42:18.:42:24.

bomber. If you are supporting community cohesion, we must reject

:42:25.:42:28.

hate and bigotry. This is what happens in front of camera. You can

:42:29.:42:31.

imagine what happens behind it. Someone like me, who is highly

:42:32.:42:36.

educated, working tirelessly to treat cancer patients, is being

:42:37.:42:38.

abused in the street. Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable to

:42:39.:42:50.

discriminate against anyone? It is not acceptable. It is a criminal

:42:51.:42:55.

offence. Did you report it to the police? Of course. What resulted you

:42:56.:43:02.

get? The result that they could prosecute him. There is a gap in the

:43:03.:43:07.

UK law. Muslims are not protected equally as the black and Jewish

:43:08.:43:10.

community. But that is another discussion. I am saying to you that

:43:11.:43:18.

irresponsible comments by you contribute to demonising Muslims.

:43:19.:43:25.

You are a woman and I am a woman was that we should support each other.

:43:26.:43:32.

If a woman wants to wear a miniskirt, let her wear it. If a

:43:33.:43:35.

woman wants to wear a face veil, let her wear it. An Egyptian feminist

:43:36.:43:40.

took the brave step of going into Tahrir Square, and she removed her

:43:41.:43:47.

face veil in public. That was the launch in Egypt of women's rights. I

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am going to post you there. Thank you, both. These are comments from

:43:55.:44:01.

people watching around the country. Rebekah tweets that the Ukip debate

:44:02.:44:05.

is embarrassing. It is a blatantly racist attack, no matter how they

:44:06.:44:09.

dress it up. This Ukip representative should be ashamed.

:44:10.:44:17.

Alexander says, hardly any crimes occur because someone wore a veil.

:44:18.:44:20.

Terry says I'm sure there would be better integration if Ukip stopped

:44:21.:44:23.

trying to force everyone to be like them. Rob - ask the Ukip woman if

:44:24.:44:29.

face coverings include EDL thugs in balaclavas. Well, it depends where

:44:30.:44:37.

they are wearing balaclavas. Obviously, there would be allowed

:44:38.:44:42.

into a bank or department store. But on the street is fine? It is about

:44:43.:44:48.

being in the public domain. If people find that threatening, it is

:44:49.:44:54.

an issue. So you are not suggesting banning balaclavas in the street? I

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would not suggest putting balaclavas in the manifesto because it is a

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double situation. We have the security situation, and if that said

:45:04.:45:07.

one life, it would be worth doing. The other situation is the

:45:08.:45:11.

integration situation. Do you think it makes it easy for people to

:45:12.:45:16.

integrate with EDL thugs wearing balaclavas? Well, how many of those

:45:17.:45:21.

are there? I have not seen one on my way to this studio today. I have

:45:22.:45:29.

never seen one in my life, have you? Speaking again in about integration,

:45:30.:45:31.

let's talk facts. Muslims contribute ?30 billion to

:45:32.:45:47.

the British economy. 50% of Muslim females or 50% of Muslim students

:45:48.:45:52.

generally are in university in comparison to 38% of the general

:45:53.:45:56.

public. This is what I call integration. Liz Jones, I wanted to

:45:57.:46:02.

get your reaction to the fact that one of the French Presidential

:46:03.:46:06.

candidates going through to the final round is Marie led pen. How do

:46:07.:46:12.

you respond to that? I don't know if she is anti-immigration. She wants

:46:13.:46:15.

to have more secure measures within France and that's a matter for her.

:46:16.:46:19.

I don't seek to make any comment about her policies. I'm in Britain

:46:20.:46:23.

and I'm concerned for the British public. Now I will say... Would you

:46:24.:46:28.

rather she won compared to the independent centrist candidate? I am

:46:29.:46:31.

not going to get involved with the French election. That would be

:46:32.:46:36.

impertinent. Do you have an opinion? Not really. It would be impertinent

:46:37.:46:44.

for me to express. Not really, you have entitled to express an opinion?

:46:45.:46:49.

I wouldn't like it if she was to make remarks about the British

:46:50.:46:53.

election. I'm not asking you to tell people who to vote for. I prefer

:46:54.:46:59.

Marie. She is better looking. Thank you very much for your time.

:47:00.:47:10.

The MP who said femininst zealots really do want

:47:11.:47:13.

to have their cake and eat it will now face the leader

:47:14.:47:16.

of the Women's Equality Party at the ballot box in Shipley

:47:17.:47:19.

We speak to both candidates in the next hour.

:47:20.:47:28.

This is an x-ray of someone with scoliosis -

:47:29.:47:32.

it's where the spine twists and curves to one side.

:47:33.:47:39.

Most people can live a normal life with it,

:47:40.:47:43.

but those who need an operation to correct it can end up

:47:44.:47:46.

It has been brought to wider attention following

:47:47.:47:53.

this stand out moment on Britain's Got Talent.

:47:54.:47:56.

This group came together because I've got scoliosis, so...

:47:57.:47:59.

Scoliosis is like a curvature of the spine.

:48:00.:48:04.

My one's quite rare because it's more common to, like,

:48:05.:48:08.

have an accident and get it but I was born with it.

:48:09.:48:12.

So I have to have surgery soon and after surgery,

:48:13.:48:14.

I won't be able to dance so this is like my last chance because I've

:48:15.:48:17.

You've got an amazing attitude. I've got to tell you.

:48:18.:48:23.

# Like how a single word can make a heart open

:48:24.:48:51.

# I might only have one match but I can make an explosion

:48:52.:48:56.

# And all those things I didn't say were wrecking balls inside my brain

:48:57.:49:02.

# I will scream them loud tonight, Can you hear my voice this time?

:49:03.:49:09.

# And I don't really care if nobody else believes

:49:10.:49:32.

# 'Cause I've still got a lot of fight left in me

:49:33.:49:39.

# I've still got a lot of fight left in me #

:49:40.:49:45.

It really touched me, so much so that I'm going to go...

:49:46.:50:06.

15-year-old Julie Carlile is taking part on Britain's Got Talent

:50:07.:50:33.

in the hope of raising nearly ?80,000 so she can travel

:50:34.:50:36.

to America and receive another type of surgery

:50:37.:50:38.

which could cure her completely and will allow her to

:50:39.:50:40.

This programme has learnt NHS doctors in England already

:50:41.:50:43.

have the expertise to carry out this operation, known as tethering,

:50:44.:50:46.

but currently patients are not allowed it.

:50:47.:50:48.

Let's now talk to Olivia Wingrove. She is 18.

:50:49.:50:51.

She was diagnosed aged 15 with scoliosis -

:50:52.:50:53.

His patients include professional dancers and sports stars.

:50:54.:51:04.

Hello there Molloy. Olivia. Tell our audience what it is like living with

:51:05.:51:12.

scoliosis. It's quite hard because you're very restricted on what you

:51:13.:51:17.

can do. Like even day-to-day tasks like walking long-distances and

:51:18.:51:20.

carrying a heavy bag is very hard and it strains your back. And if I

:51:21.:51:26.

go to the gym or anything, I can only restrict myself in certain

:51:27.:51:29.

things because I can only move so much. Right. Is it painful? Yeah, it

:51:30.:51:34.

is very painful. But I've learnt to cope with the pain. I need to click

:51:35.:51:41.

my back every now and then as a relief of the pain, but it's if I'm

:51:42.:51:46.

sitting in one position for say half an hour, you need to move otherwise

:51:47.:51:52.

it does become very painful. You were diagnosed at 15 Yes. What

:51:53.:51:59.

triggered it? It is from when I heart had my growth spurt, but they

:52:00.:52:04.

are not 100% sure. When you were watching this on Britain's Got

:52:05.:52:07.

Talent on Saturday night, what did you think? I just tried. When she

:52:08.:52:16.

came on and explained her situation. I didn't know anyone with scoliosis

:52:17.:52:20.

would be able to do something like that. And the fact that she is

:52:21.:52:26.

raising awareness and rather successfully so far... Yeah. Is that

:52:27.:52:30.

helpful to people like yourself with this condition? Yes, because not

:52:31.:52:35.

many people know about it. I only met one other person with it. I have

:52:36.:52:40.

written a blog on it to raise awareness because it's like even

:52:41.:52:43.

Simon Cowell didn't know what it was. No one knows. Sean Molloy thank

:52:44.:52:49.

you for talking to us. What leads to scoliosis? Well, it's a combination

:52:50.:52:54.

really of genetic environmental factors. We don't really know the

:52:55.:53:01.

vast majority scoliosis of adolescent scoliosis and that really

:53:02.:53:07.

means we don't know what the cause is. So we're left with a lot of

:53:08.:53:12.

patients who particularly, females in their growth spurt who get a

:53:13.:53:17.

curvature of their spine and we have to try and do something for them.

:53:18.:53:22.

Julia on Britain's Got Talent has to go to America to receive this

:53:23.:53:25.

tethering surgery. What is it and why can't we do it here when

:53:26.:53:29.

surgeons here have the expertise in England? I think one of the simplest

:53:30.:53:33.

things for your audience is many, many years ago, if you had a problem

:53:34.:53:37.

with your hip or knee, you would fuse the hip or knee and that would

:53:38.:53:42.

lead you to have great disability, you couldn't play tennis or squash

:53:43.:53:45.

and what we have been left with in spinal surgery, in scoliosis surgery

:53:46.:53:51.

we still fuse people. The hip replacement and the knee replacement

:53:52.:53:54.

has come along, what we are trying to do is keep people from being

:53:55.:53:59.

fused and therefore they have functional spine. So this is

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evolutionary in terms of our techniques. So instead of fusing

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children like we do at moment we are trying to do a thing called

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tethering which is trying to modulate growth or the type of

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growth that occurs in the spine as you have seen with the images we

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have given to you, they were given from Jason at George's, you can see

:54:22.:54:26.

there is a lateral curvature of the spine which is what scoliosis is and

:54:27.:54:30.

the tether or the growth that you can see have been put on the long

:54:31.:54:33.

side of the spine or the right-hand side of the spine as you look at the

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images and what we're hoping to do is the child as they grow, they will

:54:38.:54:42.

actually grow on the left-hand side of the spine, thereby normalising

:54:43.:54:46.

the actual spine and straightening what you are seeing is three images.

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One preoperatively with a sizeable curve. The middle image shows you

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post-operatively, you might look at it and think it hasn't changed much

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and you would be right in saying it hasn't changed much, but on the

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right-hand side, 12 months done the line, the curvature has reversed and

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we have had a cure of the actual scoliosis itself. That's the main

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aim. Are patients not getting that in this country or are they? The

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most important thing to say is we are cautious in this country like

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everybody should be because, of course, the data is not complete. We

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don't know if this treatment is going to be a long-standing

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treatment for people. It was done first 11 years ago in the United

:55:31.:55:34.

States and there was a case report, but the larger series which are only

:55:35.:55:40.

20 and 32 patients were published in 2014 and 2015. There have been 20

:55:41.:55:44.

cases done at St George's Hospital in London and also we started a

:55:45.:55:49.

programme here a the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital, but for the

:55:50.:55:55.

time NHS England want to have a look at this and decide how this

:55:56.:55:59.

treatment maybe commissioned and how the funding stream will be given for

:56:00.:56:04.

these patients. Thank you very much, Sean. Sean Molloy who is a spinal

:56:05.:56:11.

surgeon. Actually lots of people live with

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scoliosis very successfully and do not need surgery.

:56:16.:56:20.

The general election will see plenty of new faces in parliament -

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and other long serving politicians leaving - including former

:56:24.:56:25.

Conservative Party chairman Sir Eric Pickles who's been

:56:26.:56:27.

in British politics for 25 years, but has announced

:56:28.:56:29.

he won't be seeking re-election in the Brentwood and

:56:30.:56:32.

We can speak to him now in Chelmsford.

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Hello to you. Hello. Why are you leaving? I have decided

:56:34.:56:47.

that this would be my last Parliament and I decide after

:56:48.:56:51.

Theresa's shock announcement whether I wanted to do another and I decided

:56:52.:56:55.

that I didn't, I think it is far better to leave when people are

:56:56.:56:59.

wondering why you step down than to hang around and wonder why you're

:57:00.:57:03.

still there are. In the past you have been involved in drafting four

:57:04.:57:07.

Conservative manifestoes, clearly, you don't know the specifics of what

:57:08.:57:11.

will be in the next one. I'm in the going to ask you about the specifics

:57:12.:57:14.

of the next manifesto, but let me ask you what you think voters should

:57:15.:57:18.

read into your chancellor and the Prime Minister repewsing to rule out

:57:19.:57:22.

tax rises if the Conservatives do win? I think what we should do as

:57:23.:57:31.

what we have done in prior elections is to wait for the manifesto and all

:57:32.:57:39.

will be there. I understand until the manifesto comes out, people are

:57:40.:57:44.

desperate to look at every nuance of what various people are saying and

:57:45.:57:48.

by and large, it is best to wait for the manifesto to come out. But it is

:57:49.:57:53.

interesting from a voter's point of view that so far given several

:57:54.:57:57.

opportunities both have failed to rule out tax rises? Well, they're

:57:58.:58:06.

both Conservatives and this is something that I shared in common

:58:07.:58:11.

and the Conservative Party is committed to reducing taxation.

:58:12.:58:15.

After all, I think, we have taken vast numbers of people out of paying

:58:16.:58:23.

tax and many people on low pay, I think they are ?1,000 better off

:58:24.:58:26.

through the things that we've done. Which makes it even more interesting

:58:27.:58:30.

that they haven't chosen to rule tax rises out out yet anyway. Let me ask

:58:31.:58:34.

you about something else. The Work and Pensions Secretary said

:58:35.:58:36.

yesterday that a future Conservative Government would block a rise in

:58:37.:58:40.

energy prices which would cut household bills by ?100. Do you

:58:41.:58:44.

think that kind of intervention in the market could lead to power

:58:45.:58:51.

shortages? I think that's unlikely, but I can understand why the

:58:52.:58:57.

Secretary of State is thinking that. Given the various rises that have

:58:58.:59:03.

happened, to use a technical legal term the energy companies have been

:59:04.:59:09.

having a laugh. They have been putting up prices without good

:59:10.:59:15.

reason and I think they deserve what they're going to get. The reason I

:59:16.:59:19.

ask because the then leader of Labour, Ed Miliband, when he said he

:59:20.:59:23.

was going to do something similar you said in response, "Power

:59:24.:59:29.

shortages are now a genuine threat." Well, that was a couple of years

:59:30.:59:37.

ago. I think we hadn't seen the action of the power companies and I

:59:38.:59:44.

think we can be reasonably assured that under the Conservatives that we

:59:45.:59:49.

will be able to deliver a reasonable power bill and we will ensure that

:59:50.:59:53.

power remains. You worbed for Margaret Thatcher and you worked for

:59:54.:59:55.

Theresa May. What are the differences? I didn't work for

:59:56.:00:01.

Margaret Thatcher. I knew Margaret Thatcher. Sorry, I should have said

:00:02.:00:07.

that. Yeah. Yeah, I knew her. It many ways Theresa May reminds quite

:00:08.:00:14.

a bit. I have known Theresa for 20 odd years and there is more than a

:00:15.:00:19.

passing resemblance but Theresa is her own person and just because she

:00:20.:00:26.

is a female Prime Minister perhaps it isn't that healthy to continually

:00:27.:00:34.

compare her to Margaret Thatcher who was by any definition a one off.

:00:35.:00:38.

Right, thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us Eric Pickles.

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And he is standing down. Let's get the latest

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weather update with Carol. This morning, we have seen some rain

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and snow. You can see that we have snow falling in Aberdeenshire. We

:00:58.:01:06.

have snow showers across eastern Scotland into the far north-east of

:01:07.:01:13.

England. More cloud will spread south through the course of the

:01:14.:01:16.

afternoon. The wind will also feature. That will be with us

:01:17.:01:21.

tonight, blowing for the showers across northern Scotland into

:01:22.:01:24.

Northern Ireland, parts of Wales and eastern England. Away from this, it

:01:25.:01:27.

will be a cold night. There will also be frost and the risk of ice on

:01:28.:01:32.

untreated surfaces. But a beautiful start to the day tomorrow in terms

:01:33.:01:36.

of sunshine. Still showers at low levels in the north. Still that

:01:37.:01:40.

bitingly cold northerly wind. Here in there, we could see wintry

:01:41.:01:47.

flurries. If you are exposed to that northerly wind, it will feel much

:01:48.:01:51.

colder than those temperatures are suggesting.

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Welcome to the programme. Last night's presidential election in

:01:58.:02:00.

France was historic. Voters abandoned the mainstream

:02:01.:02:15.

parties and it was a shock - the result has sent shock waves through

:02:16.:02:19.

the French political system. I mean, it's just a crushing defeat. The

:02:20.:02:24.

whole French political landscape is being redesigned. Also, after seven

:02:25.:02:30.

people were killed in a tram derailment in Croydon last year,

:02:31.:02:33.

four drivers tell this programme they fell asleep while operating

:02:34.:02:38.

trams on that line. How many drivers do you think have fallen asleep in

:02:39.:02:43.

the cabin? Most drivers have at some point in their careers.

:02:44.:02:47.

We will also hear from those who have given up their lives to look

:02:48.:02:50.

after a family member, as campaigners the last social care

:02:51.:02:54.

must be a priority in the election. It's the most isolating situation

:02:55.:02:58.

anyone could find themselves in. And your mother is the one person you

:02:59.:03:02.

should be able to talk to about that. Yes. And... Can't any more.

:03:03.:03:13.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:03:14.:03:17.

Voters in France have chosen the two candidates who will go

:03:18.:03:20.

through to the final round of the presidential

:03:21.:03:22.

Emmanuel Macron, who is the leader of a brand new political movement,

:03:23.:03:30.

will take on the anti-immigration far right leader Marine Le Pen.

:03:31.:03:33.

It's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had

:03:34.:03:36.

The two frontrunners addressed supporters as the results

:03:37.:03:40.

TRANSLATION: I want to become the president of all the people of

:03:41.:03:52.

France, the president of the Patriots, in the face of the threat

:03:53.:03:59.

from the Nationalists. TRANSLATION: The time has come to get rid of all

:04:00.:04:04.

the arrogant people who wanted to dictate to the population what they

:04:05.:04:06.

should do. I am the candidate for the people.

:04:07.:04:09.

A 21-year-old man's been arrested in Manchester in connection

:04:10.:04:11.

with the murder of a former Royal Navy officer.

:04:12.:04:13.

Mike Samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting

:04:14.:04:18.

intruders who are thought to have struck him with his

:04:19.:04:20.

Mr Samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs

:04:21.:04:26.

to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed.

:04:27.:04:28.

Four drivers say they've fallen asleep while operating trams

:04:29.:04:30.

in Croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed

:04:31.:04:34.

An investigation for this programme also found a failure

:04:35.:04:38.

with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle",

:04:39.:04:41.

that was not reported to the regulator and three

:04:42.:04:43.

incidents of speeding since the crash in November.

:04:44.:04:45.

Tram Operations Ltd, which runs the line,

:04:46.:04:48.

said driver fatigue was monitored and controls were

:04:49.:04:51.

We'll bring you more on that investigation shortly.

:04:52.:04:56.

Jeremy Corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious"

:04:57.:04:59.

trade union legislation, brought in by the Conservatives,

:05:00.:05:01.

The Labour leader will make the pledge today to trade union

:05:02.:05:09.

members in Scotland, where his party's trying to claw

:05:10.:05:12.

back support after huge losses in the election two years ago.

:05:13.:05:14.

Two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection

:05:15.:05:18.

with an acid attack at a nightclub in east London on Easter Monday,

:05:19.:05:21.

which left two people blind in one eye.

:05:22.:05:23.

Arthur Collins, who's 24 and the boyfriend

:05:24.:05:25.

of the reality TV star, Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts

:05:26.:05:28.

of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid

:05:29.:05:30.

with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

:05:31.:05:37.

The Government will go to the High Court to try to delay

:05:38.:05:41.

publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution.

:05:42.:05:42.

Today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans,

:05:43.:05:45.

but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish

:05:46.:05:47.

sensitive policies before the general election.

:05:48.:05:49.

Campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue

:05:50.:05:52.

because of nervousness about increasing tax

:05:53.:05:53.

Tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come

:05:54.:06:03.

into force in England and Wales today.

:06:04.:06:05.

Drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly

:06:06.:06:09.

that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or

:06:10.:06:15.

And a 12-year-old who was trying to drive across the entire breadth

:06:16.:06:21.

of Australia has been picked up by police.

:06:22.:06:23.

The boy was pulled over already 800 miles into his

:06:24.:06:26.

journey in Broken Hill in the New South Wales outback

:06:27.:06:29.

on Saturday after a patrol noticed the car's bumper dragging

:06:30.:06:31.

Police believe he'd planned to keep going all the way to Perth,

:06:32.:06:37.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:06:38.:06:53.

Do get in touch. Your experiences help inform our conversation. We are

:06:54.:06:59.

hearing from many of you who care full-time for a relative. John

:07:00.:07:02.

tweets, I am in the same situation as the brave carer in your film. My

:07:03.:07:08.

wife is 59 and will need 24 hour care for the rest of her life.

:07:09.:07:14.

Juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. I feed her through a

:07:15.:07:18.

tube in her stomach. She needs 24/7 care. I am an unpaid care and

:07:19.:07:23.

keeping my mum alive and it is very hard. Tony says, I am a full-time

:07:24.:07:28.

carer for my severely disabled partner, with cerebral palsy. She

:07:29.:07:32.

will never get better. I have been doing it for 25 years. Constant

:07:33.:07:35.

interference from the government doesn't help. They should accept

:07:36.:07:40.

that some people will never ever be able to work, so they should stop

:07:41.:07:44.

the harassment. Carers save this country billions. I wouldn't change

:07:45.:07:48.

what I do for the world, but the government could make things easier.

:07:49.:07:52.

We will talk more about carers after 10.30.

:07:53.:07:58.

Almost 40,000 runners completed the London Marathon yesterday. There are

:07:59.:08:09.

always so many inspiring stories, but one has generated huge interest.

:08:10.:08:13.

The pictures of runner David Wyeth being helped over the line by a

:08:14.:08:19.

fellow competitor, Matthew Rees, this clip on the BBC Sport Facebook

:08:20.:08:23.

site alone has been viewed more than 5 million times. David received

:08:24.:08:28.

medical attention after the race. Thankfully, he was OK after a big

:08:29.:08:33.

burger, I am told. This morning, the pair were reunited. He was telling

:08:34.:08:38.

me to go on, but I want to make sure he got to the finish line. I didn't

:08:39.:08:42.

want him to not make the end. I am so grateful. You say that others

:08:43.:08:54.

would have stopped, and I am sure you are right, there may have been

:08:55.:08:57.

others, but you persisted. I told you to go and you still didn't. No

:08:58.:09:08.

worries. Matthew, who helped David, is a member of the Swansea Harriers

:09:09.:09:13.

running club. It was a great day for the South Wales team yesterday.

:09:14.:09:16.

They're one of Josh Griffiths was the first Briton home in a time of

:09:17.:09:21.

two hours, 14 minutes and 49 seconds, in his first marathon. We

:09:22.:09:27.

can speak to him now. Where have you been hiding, Josh? I am in a hotel

:09:28.:09:35.

by Tower Bridge. I was supposed to be going home, but my life has taken

:09:36.:09:41.

a bit of a turn. Let's show you some pictures of the start. Here, you are

:09:42.:09:49.

good ten metres back from the start. When did it start to click during

:09:50.:09:52.

the race that you were running past Olympians and that you had a chance

:09:53.:10:00.

of finishing as the top Briton? Around halfway, before I knew it, I

:10:01.:10:06.

was in that group. And all of a sudden, I was starting to move away

:10:07.:10:10.

from the group. It didn't hit me until the later stages that that was

:10:11.:10:17.

happening. Incredibly, you are self coached, Josh. You are studying a

:10:18.:10:20.

Masters degree at Cardiff Metropolitan. What kind of training

:10:21.:10:23.

had you done before this and what were your best times? I had a coach

:10:24.:10:30.

previously when I was racing on the track, but for the marathon I

:10:31.:10:35.

decided to coach myself. So last month, I did a half marathon in

:10:36.:10:42.

Llanelli, where I ran in 65 minutes. And Matthew Rees from Swansea was

:10:43.:10:50.

also second in that race. Incredible, the fact that you are

:10:51.:10:53.

now going to the World Championships in London in the summer. If that's

:10:54.:10:59.

something you definitely want to do? Most certainly. It was not something

:11:00.:11:03.

I had considered before yesterday, but I can't wait to get started with

:11:04.:11:09.

it. That is what you train for. Incredible. There are rumours that

:11:10.:11:14.

you jumped on the Metropolitan Line and the number 63 bus to Tower Hill.

:11:15.:11:24.

Can you deny those? I got to the start with the masses like the rest!

:11:25.:11:32.

It is crazy. Congratulations. Josh Griffiths, heading to the World

:11:33.:11:37.

Athletics Championships in 2017. We will have more headlines at 10.30.

:11:38.:11:41.

In France, the electorate has given a big two fingers up to

:11:42.:11:44.

For the first time in almost 60 years, neither of the two big

:11:45.:11:51.

parties will be in the final run-off for the presidential

:11:52.:11:54.

Which is basically the equivalent of the Conservatives and Labour

:11:55.:11:57.

The two candidates who are through to the next

:11:58.:12:00.

In one corner is Emmanuel Macron, a former banker, who's seen

:12:01.:12:07.

as a political outsider, having never run an election

:12:08.:12:09.

campaign before - his new party only started a year ago.

:12:10.:12:12.

He says he wants to create a new kind of politics,

:12:13.:12:16.

breaking down the divisions between the traditional

:12:17.:12:18.

He's up against Marine Le Pen - leader of the National Front,

:12:19.:12:29.

who wants to slash immigration, clamp down on free trade, and bring

:12:30.:12:31.

She's the daughter of France's former National Front

:12:32.:12:35.

leader Jean-Marie Le Pen - a convicted racist.

:12:36.:12:43.

Let's speak now to Karin Giannone, who is in Paris for us,

:12:44.:12:46.

tell us about the two candidates who are through to the second

:12:47.:12:49.

round run-off on May 7th, and a little bit more

:12:50.:12:51.

Yes, two extremes, particularly in their vision of Europe that you

:12:52.:13:02.

mentioned. The whole country is trying to come to terms with this

:13:03.:13:06.

completely changed political landscape. As you were mentioning,

:13:07.:13:10.

the two main parties are out of the picture completely and the ruling

:13:11.:13:14.

party, the party of the current president Francois Hollande, only

:13:15.:13:20.

managed 6% Iniesta the's election. Imagine if that were replicated in

:13:21.:13:26.

the UK. Emmanuel Macron, the very young centrist candidate at only 39,

:13:27.:13:31.

is the forward-looking globalist who wants to be in a more federal

:13:32.:13:35.

Europe, against Marine Le Pen, who wants to close France's borders, end

:13:36.:13:39.

immigration and bring in protectionist policies. Some are

:13:40.:13:43.

calling this a referendum for France on Europe because of those wildly

:13:44.:13:49.

opposing views about the European Union. So the next 13 days are going

:13:50.:13:56.

to be a critical time. What does the fact that these two are through to

:13:57.:13:58.

the final round say about French society? You might expect that at a

:13:59.:14:05.

time of heightened terror threat, with the attack here on Thursday

:14:06.:14:11.

near the Champs Elysees -- might have turned France towards a more

:14:12.:14:15.

additional candidate like Francois Fillon, who was running for the

:14:16.:14:18.

centre-right. Some might have seen him becoming more the choice of the

:14:19.:14:22.

people as they looked to someone who could reassure them and provide

:14:23.:14:25.

experience. That hasn't happened. They have gone for Emmanuel Macron,

:14:26.:14:30.

the untested, unelected former minister, and Marine Le Pen. That is

:14:31.:14:36.

really being reflected on right now. Many people I have been speaking to

:14:37.:14:40.

have said there is an anger in French society. There is also hope

:14:41.:14:46.

reflected in the Macron voters. There is this sense that the parties

:14:47.:14:49.

who have been in charge for more than 50 years are not doing what

:14:50.:14:53.

they should be doing, a sense that the elite are in charge and the

:14:54.:14:57.

ordinary people are being ignored, and that is really coming through in

:14:58.:15:02.

this election. And I believe you have someone with you? Yes, let's

:15:03.:15:12.

talk to Ann. We were talking about what you can draw from this result

:15:13.:15:15.

about what is going on in French people's minds. Why do they opt for

:15:16.:15:19.

outsiders when they could have had the reassurance and security of a

:15:20.:15:22.

candidate who has been in politics for decades?

:15:23.:15:28.

French people wake up with a total new political landscape and they

:15:29.:15:35.

have to share between different proposals of very different

:15:36.:15:43.

candidates. We have 2-2 Frances which are divided actually and

:15:44.:15:55.

probably Emmanuel Macron will have to be more passive with this part of

:15:56.:16:04.

France which is very critical, very protesting, which have a lot of

:16:05.:16:11.

anger, rage. You spoke about rage. It's really the term and so the next

:16:12.:16:19.

two weeks will be very interesting to see how the French people, the

:16:20.:16:26.

French voters will adapt with this very new political offer. And the

:16:27.:16:30.

contrast between these two candidates almost seems really a

:16:31.:16:35.

crossroads, people to chose more integration with the EU or a

:16:36.:16:39.

withdrawal from the euro at least, completely. It is a new cliff edge.

:16:40.:16:46.

It will be interesting to British viewers as well. It is interesting

:16:47.:16:52.

because in France we have lost the traditional between left and right.

:16:53.:17:02.

We see Europe or non Europe. An open society or closed society and also

:17:03.:17:10.

with issue as immigration and terrorism also which arrive at the

:17:11.:17:21.

first position because it concerns a lot of French population. Thank you

:17:22.:17:26.

very much. So a real contrast in choice now

:17:27.:17:30.

facing the French people. We have had months of relentless

:17:31.:17:33.

campaigning. We've got two more weeks of it now. Thank you very

:17:34.:17:40.

much. Emmanuel Macron described himself as

:17:41.:17:45.

the patriotic choice for France. TRANSLATION: I want to become the

:17:46.:17:49.

president of the whole people of France, the president of the

:17:50.:17:53.

patriots in the face of the threat represented by nationalists.

:17:54.:18:02.

APPLAUSE The president able to protect, to

:18:03.:18:07.

transform, and to build up. A president who is able to allow those

:18:08.:18:13.

who are willing to create, innovate, start work, to do it faster, more

:18:14.:18:22.

easily. I want to be a president who is going to support and help the

:18:23.:18:26.

more fragile among us, those who have been upset by life and do that

:18:27.:18:32.

through help, school, work, solidarity.

:18:33.:18:44.

Marine Le Pen said a vote for her was for the survival of France.

:18:45.:18:51.

TRANSLATION: Without forgetting he friends overseas that trusted me and

:18:52.:18:55.

I'm proud of the confidence they manifested towards me. The time has

:18:56.:19:01.

come to get rid of the arrogant people who want to dictate to the

:19:02.:19:04.

population what they should do. I am the candidate for the people. And it

:19:05.:19:13.

is an appeal to all the sincere patriots wherever they come,

:19:14.:19:16.

whatever their origin, whatever they voted for in the past round, I

:19:17.:19:23.

invite them all to join us and to abandon old-fashioned quarrels and

:19:24.:19:28.

to concentrate on what is the superior interest of our country.

:19:29.:19:32.

That was really essential. Marine Le Pen.

:19:33.:19:37.

Four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams

:19:38.:19:40.

in Croydon, where seven people were killed after a tram

:19:41.:19:42.

Drivers have told this programme a safety device,

:19:43.:19:47.

known as "a dead man's handle", failed to activate

:19:48.:19:49.

Ed Thomas has the story. What have drivers been telling you. The

:19:50.:20:02.

drivers come forward to say first of all, they are falling asleep in the

:20:03.:20:06.

cab in charge of a tram and secondly, that they're concerned

:20:07.:20:09.

over this driver safety device. Victoria, it is difficult to have

:20:10.:20:14.

sympathy for these drivers, but they say, if they're to go to the

:20:15.:20:17.

company, they are in fear of being sacked. Now, the people who operate

:20:18.:20:23.

this tram line, they say driver fatigue is monitored and that these

:20:24.:20:27.

safety devices are fully functional, but this is the story of those

:20:28.:20:31.

drivers and the families of those who died who still want to know what

:20:32.:20:32.

happened. Here, seven people were

:20:33.:20:36.

killed, over 50 injured. For the first time, we hear

:20:37.:20:46.

from drivers who have fallen asleep on duty,

:20:47.:20:53.

their fears over the We reveal the trams still going too

:20:54.:20:55.

fast, and five months on, Yeah, it's happened

:20:56.:21:06.

to me once in ten years. This Croydon tram driver

:21:07.:21:16.

would only speak to us if we protected his identity

:21:17.:21:18.

and changed his voice. How many drivers do you think have

:21:19.:21:20.

fallen asleep in the cab? I would say that most drivers have

:21:21.:21:25.

at some point in their careers. He is admitting what many

:21:26.:21:31.

would consider gross It is called the traction

:21:32.:21:33.

brake controller, or TBC, the driving lever that

:21:34.:21:40.

powers the train. Inside, the safety device known

:21:41.:21:43.

as the dead man's handle. This driver says when he fell

:21:44.:21:46.

asleep, it did not work. That was enough to keep the dead

:21:47.:21:48.

man's handle from being activated. Why aren't drivers telling

:21:49.:22:02.

the operators what is going on? If we were to come forward and say,

:22:03.:22:06.

"Excuse me, I fell asleep", But we're talking about

:22:07.:22:09.

people's lives, here. The most important people

:22:10.:22:14.

are the passengers. Four drivers have told the BBC

:22:15.:22:17.

they have fallen asleep in the cab. I woke up about ten metres

:22:18.:22:32.

after the tram stop. After 16 years,

:22:33.:22:34.

he retired last year. In 2005, his tram rolled

:22:35.:22:37.

through George Street. A person was very fortunate

:22:38.:22:41.

I did not run them over. No, there wasn't any

:22:42.:22:48.

emergency braking. As we were advised that

:22:49.:22:54.

it should have done. We have been told of three other

:22:55.:23:01.

incidents where drivers are believed One was a collision

:23:02.:23:04.

with buffers at Elmers End. Another was a tram driver

:23:05.:23:10.

here at Morden Road, spotted sleeping in a moving tram

:23:11.:23:12.

by ticket inspectors, who had Drivers asked us to watch

:23:13.:23:17.

the footage again. A tram driver who

:23:18.:23:31.

appears to be asleep. There's no alarm,

:23:32.:23:33.

no emergency brakes. Had that been in another

:23:34.:23:40.

location, that could have The alarm should be sounding

:23:41.:23:47.

at the tram should be stopping. That is what the video should be

:23:48.:23:51.

depicting, but it's not. Transport for London

:23:52.:23:54.

is responsible for the line. We asked why the dead man's handle

:23:55.:23:57.

in this video didn't activate. I think you will see

:23:58.:24:01.

that he is in and out He's coming to and starting to doze

:24:02.:24:05.

and coming to and starting to doze. Why was there no alarm?

:24:06.:24:13.

Why was there no braking? Well, because, if he were to

:24:14.:24:15.

completely pass out, if he were to completely lose

:24:16.:24:17.

consciousness, then But it's OK just to slightly doze

:24:18.:24:21.

in a tab like we saw in the clip? The company who operates the trams

:24:22.:24:26.

for TfL, Tram Operations Limited, says driver fatigue is monitored

:24:27.:24:32.

and on the driver safety device, says it is satisfied the controls

:24:33.:24:39.

are fully functional. It is important to consider

:24:40.:24:44.

what these driver safety Designed in part if a driver

:24:45.:24:49.

collapses after a heart attack. But we have found this guidance

:24:50.:24:53.

on the regulator's website, It says, "The DSD should be designed

:24:54.:24:56.

so that it cannot be kept in the operating position other

:24:57.:25:02.

than by a vigilant tram driver". Drivers have also told us

:25:03.:25:09.

about specific faults We have obtained this

:25:10.:25:14.

video of an empty tram, We understand this is an extreme

:25:15.:25:17.

setting and TfL has now rectified The spring was obviously

:25:18.:25:22.

broken in the DSD. This former driver didn't

:25:23.:25:29.

want to be identified. He claims the alarm on the driver

:25:30.:25:35.

safety device first delayed, then completely failed,

:25:36.:25:37.

in May 2016. The engineering department knew

:25:38.:25:39.

about it and they said they were aware of it but it's

:25:40.:25:48.

completely safe to carry on. I had to raise my voice over

:25:49.:25:51.

the recorded radio system and say to them if I had a heart attack

:25:52.:25:56.

or became unconscious, this tram will go through the buffers

:25:57.:26:00.

at Beckenham Junction at 50 Only when I said that,

:26:01.:26:01.

they said, "Take it out This man said other

:26:02.:26:07.

drivers were also aware. Some drivers found it worrying

:26:08.:26:13.

but they found it amusing in a way, that you could drive

:26:14.:26:16.

without using your hands. We have also discovered

:26:17.:26:18.

that the safety regulator wasn't The Office of Rail and Road told us

:26:19.:26:21.

all DSD failures should They should have pulled the entire

:26:22.:26:27.

fleet in and tested every single In a statement, the operators,

:26:28.:26:32.

Tram Operations Limited, said there was not a full failure

:26:33.:26:38.

of the driver safety device. Passengers were not at risk

:26:39.:26:43.

and the tram was examined and the fault was rectified

:26:44.:26:46.

the next day. Transport for London

:26:47.:26:49.

said despite that fault, We can also reveal at least three

:26:50.:26:52.

trams have been recorded speeding One was travelling at 65 kilometres

:26:53.:27:07.

per hour in a 40 zone. Another was speeding close

:27:08.:27:11.

to the disaster site itself. The operator told us it had

:27:12.:27:15.

increased speed checks All we know is that this tram

:27:16.:27:21.

was speeding at 43.5. And still waiting for answers,

:27:22.:27:28.

the families of those who died, people like this lady,

:27:29.:27:31.

who lost her husband, Phil. Everyone that was on that tram that

:27:32.:27:35.

day, it's changed their lives. The others who have managed to walk

:27:36.:27:55.

away are living nightmares. Investigators are trying

:27:56.:28:01.

to answer that question, to piece together a disaster that

:28:02.:28:10.

changed so many lives. Astonishing regarding the equipment.

:28:11.:28:25.

As a passenger you just want the alarm to activate. You want the

:28:26.:28:28.

handle to work, don't you? That's why it is difficult to have that

:28:29.:28:33.

sympathy for drivers who say they're falling asleep and the wife of

:28:34.:28:37.

somebody who died at Sandilands, she speaks for many, when she says, "I

:28:38.:28:43.

just want to know." Drivers say take a look at this driver's safety

:28:44.:28:47.

device. It is not working on some occasions when we are in the trams,

:28:48.:28:50.

but the operators are saying it is fit for purpose. It is tested. There

:28:51.:28:54.

is not a problem. The tram drivers should not be falling asleep. Thank

:28:55.:28:57.

you very much, Ed. Ed Thomas reporting.

:28:58.:29:00.

If you're watching on BBC Two, in a moment you'll be able to watch

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To continue watching our programme turn over

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to the BBC News Channel - where coming up in

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As a campaign calls for making social care a priority in this

:29:11.:29:27.

Our top story today - the leader of a brand new French

:29:28.:29:30.

political movement will take on the anti-immigration far right

:29:31.:29:32.

leader Marine Le Pen in the second round of

:29:33.:29:34.

Emmanuel Macron came first in the vote yesterday.

:29:35.:29:37.

He launched his own centrist movement a year ago, taking

:29:38.:29:39.

It's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had

:29:40.:29:44.

We can speak now to two French voters.

:29:45.:29:47.

We have Davy Rodriguez, a Marine Le Pen supporter.

:29:48.:29:51.

And Margaux Pech, an Emmanuel Macron supporter.

:29:52.:29:59.

For our British audience, Margaux, I wonder if you could expect why you

:30:00.:30:06.

think Monsieur Macron would be right for France? Oh, yes. Emmanuel Macron

:30:07.:30:15.

is my candidate and I think last night, we chose the renewal of

:30:16.:30:22.

ideas, of people and a way of doing politics. I think he has a vision

:30:23.:30:32.

and with his project, we are going to rebuild Europe. This is really

:30:33.:30:37.

important to us and it is important for your British citizens to

:30:38.:30:41.

understand that we want to be a leader in Europe and rebuild this

:30:42.:30:46.

project, because Europe has been on hold for ten years now. This is one

:30:47.:30:55.

of the biggest objectives. Davy, Marine Le Pen is offering the

:30:56.:31:01.

complete opposite. She wants a referendum an in-out referendum on

:31:02.:31:04.

whether France should continue as a member of the European Union, like

:31:05.:31:09.

we had in Britain. She wants out of the euro and she wants to close the

:31:10.:31:12.

borders, the polar opposite of what Monsieur Macron is offering. Why do

:31:13.:31:15.

you say Marine Le Pen should be the next president? That is totally

:31:16.:31:22.

true. We have to different models of what France could be in a few years.

:31:23.:31:28.

I think Marine Le Pen is now leading the way to a Frexit in order to have

:31:29.:31:41.

our own democracy. That is why we are defending two different ideas.

:31:42.:31:52.

From one side, we have the idea of Emmanuel Macron and on the other

:31:53.:31:56.

hand you have Marine Le Pen with real renewal. The renewal is not

:31:57.:32:01.

only about people, it is about ideas, and the ideas of Emmanuel

:32:02.:32:05.

Macron are the same as Francois Hollande, Francois Fillon and the

:32:06.:32:08.

other politics in France for 40 years. Margaux, how divided would

:32:09.:32:20.

you say French people are? I think, yeah, we have some division now in

:32:21.:32:24.

France about Europe, for example. But the thing is that Emmanuel

:32:25.:32:29.

Macron wants to bring this country together with a new way through this

:32:30.:32:39.

century into this open world. Now we see with this election that it is

:32:40.:32:42.

the end of traditional parties both on the left and right sides. So now

:32:43.:32:50.

we want to bring new faces to politics. That is what Emmanuel

:32:51.:32:54.

Macron is doing. I think we have a real vision to bring France to be a

:32:55.:33:07.

leader in our world. So I think with this campaign, focused on education

:33:08.:33:13.

and rebuilding Europe, we can bring together French people. We had some

:33:14.:33:25.

attacks on Emmanuel Macron and people are not realising that his

:33:26.:33:30.

project is the right one. We saw this last night, because he came

:33:31.:33:35.

first in the first round of this presidency. And Davy, what chance

:33:36.:33:46.

does Marine Le Pen have of becoming president in reality? My opinion is

:33:47.:33:55.

that she has a chance of winning this election. The voters who elect

:33:56.:34:08.

people, for example, the voters of Francois Fillon want a cultural

:34:09.:34:14.

division. They want to defend our cultural civilisation and a lot of

:34:15.:34:17.

them are in favour of limiting immigration. Then you have the

:34:18.:34:21.

voters of Jean-Luc Melenchon, who also want to defend our tensions and

:34:22.:34:29.

economy -- they want to defend our pensions. Maybe voters from both

:34:30.:34:32.

sides will vote for Marine Le Pen. Here, we are defending ideas. We are

:34:33.:34:38.

not only changing faces, we are changing the model.

:34:39.:34:47.

With the rest of the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:34:48.:34:49.

A 21-year-old man's been arrested in Manchester in connection

:34:50.:34:51.

with the murder of a former Royal Navy officer.

:34:52.:34:54.

Mike Samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting

:34:55.:34:56.

intruders who are thought to have struck him with his

:34:57.:34:58.

Mr Samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs

:34:59.:35:02.

to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed.

:35:03.:35:09.

Detective Superintendent John Chadwick is from Manchester police.

:35:10.:35:14.

This could have happened to anybody. You hear a noise downstairs and you

:35:15.:35:20.

go and see what it is. It is incredibly tragic. Any information,

:35:21.:35:23.

we need to hear it. Two men are due to appear in court

:35:24.:35:33.

today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub

:35:34.:35:36.

in east London on Easter Monday, which left two people

:35:37.:35:39.

blind in one eye. Arthur Collins, who's

:35:40.:35:41.

24 and the boyfriend of the reality TV star,

:35:42.:35:43.

Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one

:35:44.:35:45.

count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause

:35:46.:35:48.

grievous bodily harm. The Government will go

:35:49.:35:50.

to the High Court to try to delay publishing its strategy

:35:51.:35:53.

for tackling air pollution. Today was the deadline for ministers

:35:54.:35:54.

to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean

:35:55.:35:57.

they can't publish sensitive policies before

:35:58.:35:59.

the general election. Campaigners say they're trying

:36:00.:36:00.

to dodge a difficult issue because of nervousness

:36:01.:36:02.

about increasing tax Tougher punishments for the most

:36:03.:36:04.

serious cases of speeding have come into force in England

:36:05.:36:07.

and Wales today. Drivers can now be fined one

:36:08.:36:09.

and a half times their weekly that means driving over 50 miles

:36:10.:36:13.

an hour in a 30 zone or That's a summary of the latest

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news, join me for BBC Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey

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who's out of contract It'll be an all London final

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throughout the afternoon. He is a Conservative MP who tried to

:37:42.:37:50.

derail legislation to protect women against violence. She is the leader

:37:51.:37:53.

of a new party which campaigns on gender equality. Now they are going

:37:54.:37:57.

head to head in the general election. Sophie Walker says she

:37:58.:38:00.

will stand against Philip Davies in his seat of Shipley. What is it

:38:01.:38:05.

about this man that makes you cross enough to stand against him?

:38:06.:38:10.

I am standing for election in Shipley because I want to protect

:38:11.:38:16.

jobs and pensions. But what is it about Philip Davies that means you

:38:17.:38:20.

have gone to Shipley? Philip Davies has made the privilege of a local

:38:21.:38:24.

MP's job into his own personal national platform to espouse

:38:25.:38:31.

anti-women views. I am running in Shipley because there are a lot of

:38:32.:38:38.

people in Shipley who are fed up with that job being used to do that

:38:39.:38:41.

instead of the work for opportunities for all of the

:38:42.:38:45.

constituents. I want to work for everybody and I want to balance the

:38:46.:38:48.

way we do that. We are not just investing in physical infrastructure

:38:49.:38:54.

like roads and bridges, but we are also investing in social

:38:55.:38:55.

infrastructure jobs. Are you abusing the privilege

:38:56.:39:04.

of being a constituency MP No, well, I've challenged Sophie

:39:05.:39:06.

on a number of occasions to give one quote -

:39:07.:39:12.

I've been an MP for 12 years - one quote from anything I've said

:39:13.:39:15.

publicly, it's all on the record, where I've asked for women to be

:39:16.:39:18.

treated less favourably than men. Let's give Sophie Walker

:39:19.:39:21.

the opportunity. Well, setting aside the fact that

:39:22.:39:25.

Philip consistently frames feminists as extremists rather

:39:26.:39:27.

than campaigners for justice, you have to look at his actions,

:39:28.:39:29.

which are that he attempted to talk out a bill to protect

:39:30.:39:32.

survivors of violence. He took time out of his constituency

:39:33.:39:34.

work to give a speech to a conference organised

:39:35.:39:39.

by an outfit called Justice For Men And Boys,

:39:40.:39:44.

whose website promotes articles like one entitled 13

:39:45.:39:46.

Reasons Women Lie About Rape. He also talked down a bill

:39:47.:39:50.

which would have provided free He has written to the Equality

:39:51.:39:52.

and Human Rights Commission, asking why it is offensive

:39:53.:40:00.

for people to wear blackface. So it is your actions

:40:01.:40:03.

that Sophie is... Well, at least we've clarified it's

:40:04.:40:06.

nothing I've actually said that has ever asked for women to be treated

:40:07.:40:09.

less favourably than men. All I have ever asked for,

:40:10.:40:12.

the speeches that Sophie has taken great exception to,

:40:13.:40:14.

were ones where I have actually asked that men and women

:40:15.:40:17.

are treated exactly the same. That if you go before the court,

:40:18.:40:19.

your gender should be irrelevant. Men and women should

:40:20.:40:22.

be treated the same. But you did campaign

:40:23.:40:24.

against the Combating Yes, exactly, and on the basis that

:40:25.:40:26.

I thought the bill should apply equally to male and female

:40:27.:40:33.

victims of violence. OK, is that not fair enough,

:40:34.:40:35.

the bill should apply There is a very specific clause

:40:36.:40:37.

in that bill that recognises that men and women experience violence

:40:38.:40:41.

against them differently, It actually makes provision for

:40:42.:40:43.

sufficient funding and protection Now, our party has got very specific

:40:44.:40:46.

policies to protect funding to specialist services,

:40:47.:40:54.

for example, services for men Whereas Philip's party is cutting

:40:55.:40:56.

funding to those very important services and making it less likely

:40:57.:41:02.

that many in those positions will I would have much more support

:41:03.:41:05.

and understanding for what Philip is saying if he could back it up

:41:06.:41:10.

with positive examples of positive, constructive legislation

:41:11.:41:15.

that he has presented, rather than this very

:41:16.:41:16.

negative demolishment Well, I mean, the clue

:41:17.:41:18.

was in the bill. It was combating

:41:19.:41:26.

violence against women. It's no good trying to rewrite

:41:27.:41:29.

history and say that this bill It was called the Combating

:41:30.:41:32.

Violence Aginst Women Bill. My view was, and I made it perfectly

:41:33.:41:38.

clear that I would have happily supported the bill if it applied

:41:39.:41:41.

to men and women equally, if you are a victim of crime,

:41:42.:41:44.

it should not matter Why didn't you introduce the

:41:45.:41:47.

Combating Violence Against Men Bill, Well, it is Private Members'

:41:48.:41:50.

Bills, done by ballot. You can't just come along

:41:51.:41:54.

with your Private Members' Bill. In my speech on the bill, I said,

:41:55.:41:56.

let's bring forward a bill, we could have amended the bill

:41:57.:42:03.

to say, let's have it And so, surely the Women's Equality

:42:04.:42:05.

Party, if they believe in equality, should be supporting my stance

:42:06.:42:09.

on saying that we should treat But the outcome of your actions

:42:10.:42:12.

means that you ended up campaigning against a bill

:42:13.:42:16.

which would protect women. Well, it was not going

:42:17.:42:18.

to protect any women. It will not do one thing

:42:19.:42:20.

to protect a woman. I've argued that what we should do

:42:21.:42:25.

is actually have the men who commit domestic violence serve the whole

:42:26.:42:28.

sentence they are given in prison, not let them out halfway through

:42:29.:42:31.

even if they are still a danger. That would be much more useful

:42:32.:42:34.

to victims of violence, and let me One thing I campaign

:42:35.:42:37.

on and I helped Baroness Cox, who is a crossbench human rights

:42:38.:42:40.

peer, about sharia councils, which I went to a meeting that

:42:41.:42:43.

Baroness Cox organised where three very brave women actually

:42:44.:42:47.

gave their testimonies as to how badly they have been

:42:48.:42:49.

treated at sharia councils. I campaigned to end

:42:50.:42:51.

sharia councils... The Women's Equality Party have

:42:52.:42:53.

nothing to say on sharia councils. These are actions that would suggest

:42:54.:42:58.

that Philip Davies is not OK, so on sharia specifically,

:42:59.:43:02.

we have been very clear at the Women's Equality Party

:43:03.:43:06.

that we think there is one form of law in Britain,

:43:07.:43:08.

and that is British law. Sure, but I'm asking

:43:09.:43:11.

you about his actions when it comes But I think it is contradictory

:43:12.:43:13.

to say that you are supporting the discriminatory, rather,

:43:14.:43:22.

you're combating the discriminatory actions of sharia councils and yet

:43:23.:43:24.

voting against a law, the bill we have been talking about,

:43:25.:43:26.

which has specific provisions in it to provide for survivors

:43:27.:43:29.

of honour-based violence So on the one hand, he is saying one

:43:30.:43:31.

thing, and on the other, That bill was only about

:43:32.:43:36.

one particular gender. Clause 2.2 specifically referred

:43:37.:43:43.

to the different kinds of violence. It was called the Combating

:43:44.:43:45.

Violence Against Women Bill. If what you wanted to do

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was change the title, then why didn't you just

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focus on that? I did try and focus on that,

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but no one was interested All of these things should apply

:43:54.:43:56.

equally to men and women. That is all I have ever argued for,

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whether it is sharia councils, which discriminate against women,

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or this legislation, I will campaign for equality,

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irrespective of people's gender. It depends on what you

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mean by a feminist. If feminism is about gender

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equality, then yes, I would support feminism but what my point is,

:44:16.:44:21.

that what we are getting with feminism at the moment

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is that they want to campaign on areas where women

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are disadvantaged, perfectly reasonably, and I will support

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them in that. But they don't want to say anything

:44:30.:44:31.

where men are disadvantaged and as far as I'm concerned,

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we should be equally If the definition is that it's about

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gender equality, then yes I am. Well, it's about the advocacy

:44:37.:44:41.

of women's rights. Well, if it's about equality,

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I'm interested in equality. That's what I think, that men

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and women should be treated... The advocacy of women's

:44:50.:44:52.

rights on the grounds Yes, I agree with the

:44:53.:44:54.

quality of the sexes. Well, on that definition,

:44:55.:44:57.

yes, of course I am. I'm delighted that 24 hours

:44:58.:45:01.

after I entered this race, Philip Davies is declaring

:45:02.:45:04.

himself a feminist. And you'll be able to find a full

:45:05.:45:06.

list of the candidates standing in Shipley on the BBC website once

:45:07.:45:10.

the other parties have announced. Police in Manchester have arrested

:45:11.:45:14.

a 21-year-old man in connection with the murder of a former

:45:15.:45:17.

Royal Navy officer at his home We can speak to correspondent

:45:18.:45:20.

Dave Guest, who is there. Tell us what you know

:45:21.:45:24.

about happened to Mike Samwell. Well, it was the early hours of

:45:25.:45:39.

yesterday morning that Mike, who was 35, awoke to a loud banging noise.

:45:40.:45:43.

He went to investigate and a short time later he was found with severe

:45:44.:45:48.

injuries in this parking area beyond the tapes down there. Now, it

:45:49.:45:52.

appears that someone had been attempting to steal his Audi car and

:45:53.:45:57.

had run over him in that car causing him serious injuries from which he

:45:58.:46:02.

sadly died. Now, of course, this is a quiet residential street. It was

:46:03.:46:07.

the early hours of the morning. It is everybody's worst nightmare what

:46:08.:46:10.

happened to this man and his family are in a deep state of shock. And

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that's the reaction of people who live locally as well? That's right,

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yes. Yesterday around 50 people took part in a vigil. They walked from a

:46:20.:46:23.

local church and came to the street here and laid flowers with messages

:46:24.:46:27.

of sympathy for Mike and his family at the corner of the road here.

:46:28.:46:31.

People have been shocked by what's happened. This is a cliche to say,

:46:32.:46:37.

it is a quiet residential area. It is a reasonably well healed area.

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The black Audi was found in a street not far from here, it has been the

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subject of forensic investigation as has the parking area behind the

:46:48.:46:51.

house where Mike lived. Police have described this, I think, as more

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than criminal? Yes, yesterday they were really trying to appeal to the

:46:58.:47:01.

criminal fraternity to say look there is a line that's been crossed

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here. A man woken from his bed, in the early hours of the morning, goes

:47:05.:47:08.

downstairs as anybody might do to see what is happening and ends up

:47:09.:47:11.

dead in the most terrible of circumstances. The police officer in

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charge of this case has said that basically the advice to people is if

:47:16.:47:19.

you hear a noise downstairs, you shouldn't really go and investigate,

:47:20.:47:22.

you should stay upstairs and barricade yourself into your bedroom

:47:23.:47:25.

and dial 999, but the investigating officer said he could understand why

:47:26.:47:28.

somebody like Mike would want to go and investigate halfs going on.

:47:29.:47:34.

Mike, as we say, a retired naval officer who was working for a

:47:35.:47:38.

company, an engineering company in Warrington and his colleagues there

:47:39.:47:42.

are shocked. The police investigation into this crime is

:47:43.:47:45.

still very much on going. The 21-year-old man arrested on

:47:46.:47:47.

suspicion of murder continuing to be questioned this morning. Dave Guest,

:47:48.:47:51.

reporting live from Manchester, thank you.

:47:52.:47:54.

Several charities have told this programme they want social care

:47:55.:47:56.

to be a top election issue over the next few weeks.

:47:57.:47:59.

This morning we've been hearing from those of you who care full

:48:00.:48:03.

Rory says he has been a full-time carer for the last 20 years.

:48:04.:48:17.

, "My day consists of her caring for her 24/7. I don't go out. I haven't

:48:18.:48:22.

had a holiday in decades. I have no life of my own. I'm 48 years of

:48:23.:48:27.

abling and I spend every spare minute sitting obthe sofa looking

:48:28.:48:31.

out of the window watching the world go by. I'm wishing I would die

:48:32.:48:35.

quickly instead of this long drawn out death of boredom and

:48:36.:48:38.

loneliness." Heather says, "I care for my mum.

:48:39.:48:43.

I'm permanently tired. I have low self esteem. I have lost friends and

:48:44.:48:45.

a relationship is out of the question. I have realised that I

:48:46.:48:49.

cannot go on as I'm becoming ill. I don't eat. I can't sleep. I've done

:48:50.:48:54.

this for five years with no thanks and a whole load of stress. Someone

:48:55.:48:59.

else can have a go rather than criticise me." Dave, "I did this job

:49:00.:49:04.

for my mum for five years. It destroys your life. Even though you

:49:05.:49:07.

try your best to do a job that no one else wants to do. There is no

:49:08.:49:11.

real help out there as the care Stel seems to be broken beyond repair. I

:49:12.:49:15.

really thought it was just me who was going through this. So I started

:49:16.:49:20.

recording and videoing most phone calls and visits. Most phone calls,

:49:21.:49:26.

but I was still alone. I'm trying to get a carer to come and help, trying

:49:27.:49:31.

to get anyone to help you is impossible from adult social

:49:32.:49:33.

services, the NHS, to charities." Our reporter James Longman met

:49:34.:49:42.

Sue Jenkins who's effectively given up her life to care for her mother

:49:43.:49:44.

Patricia, who is 88 and needs She has dementia, is doubly

:49:45.:49:48.

incontinent and uses a wheelchair. We played you the full report

:49:49.:49:51.

earlier - here's a short extract. Let's get mummy changed

:49:52.:49:54.

before she has a She has a lot of changing

:49:55.:50:20.

behaviour, screaming, Yes, she does, and that

:50:21.:50:27.

can't be helped. It's heartbreaking, and it can make

:50:28.:50:32.

you feel useless and that can make you want to run for the hills

:50:33.:50:38.

and just run into the night. But I take care of my

:50:39.:50:41.

mother, and that's it. You know, the person I dearly love

:50:42.:51:01.

and dearly want to talk to about so many things

:51:02.:51:22.

has left me already. And the thought of losing her fills

:51:23.:51:30.

me with complete dread, We can speak to Margaret Dangoor

:51:31.:51:33.

who has been a carer for her husband Eddie who has Alzheimer's

:51:34.:51:50.

for the last ten years. Kate White, whose husband John

:51:51.:51:53.

also has Alzheimer's. She's been his carer since

:51:54.:51:55.

he was diagnosed eight years ago. Rob Burley from the

:51:56.:51:58.

Alzheimer's Society - one the charities calling for social

:51:59.:52:00.

care to be a key issue Welcome all of you. Thank you very

:52:01.:52:11.

much for coming on the programme. Presumably Margaret and Kate you can

:52:12.:52:14.

relate to much of what Sue was saying? Yes, it's heart-rending

:52:15.:52:18.

really to see that sort of situation. It's different for all of

:52:19.:52:23.

us. Every carer is different and every person with dementia is

:52:24.:52:26.

different, but this sort of situation is not unusual. What about

:52:27.:52:31.

you, Kate? Yes, I would agree with Margaret. I think it takes such a

:52:32.:52:37.

toll on people's lives and often they don't know about the kind of

:52:38.:52:40.

support and care that might be there, but what is there is being

:52:41.:52:47.

reduced all the time and I think as Margaret was saying everybody both

:52:48.:52:51.

the person with the condition and their carer are different. So the

:52:52.:52:54.

scenario is some, that we're familiar with, but there are

:52:55.:52:58.

different scenarios as well. Tell us, tell our audience about the

:52:59.:53:02.

impact on you of caring for your husband? Mine is different. I think

:53:03.:53:06.

in comparison with the situation on film. My husband has always been

:53:07.:53:11.

content within his dementia. So... Content? Yes. He has settled into

:53:12.:53:18.

the process if you like comfortably and as long as he is cared for well,

:53:19.:53:24.

and he is in the right surroundings, that makes my caring role a lot

:53:25.:53:29.

easier and also in comparison with the film, we are very fortunate that

:53:30.:53:34.

we have a specialist dementia centre in our locality and he has been

:53:35.:53:38.

going there for many years since 2008. These centres are not

:53:39.:53:42.

fashionable, but for some people, to me, I don't think pedestrian would

:53:43.:53:46.

be alive today, he is in the very advanced stage, if he didn't have

:53:47.:53:50.

the stimulation of going to that seb ter. Other people to mix with and

:53:51.:53:54.

the activities that he's involved with, it really sort of lifts hill

:53:55.:54:00.

up. Yes. Kate, the I will pact on you of looking after your husband? I

:54:01.:54:03.

think I relate to the exhaustion because I think it is a full-on 24/7

:54:04.:54:09.

and there are three eight hour shifts a day. Wow. When you put it

:54:10.:54:15.

like that. Do you mind me asking how old you are? I'm 6. How old is your

:54:16.:54:24.

husband? He's 83. He's not inned advanced stages of Margaret or the

:54:25.:54:28.

person on the film. He's active and he's out and about and doing thicks,

:54:29.:54:32.

but he has to have somebody with him all the tilement he gets very

:54:33.:54:36.

anxious and I see that as his need for attachment and safety that

:54:37.:54:39.

emotionally he needs somebody to help him see where he is in the

:54:40.:54:42.

world because he gets disorientated. Yes. Let me bring in Rob. When Kate

:54:43.:54:50.

puts it like that, it is three eight hour shifts effective by every day?

:54:51.:54:53.

By the end of the next Parliament there will be one million people

:54:54.:54:57.

living with dementia, it is time the next Government steps up to that

:54:58.:55:00.

challenge of the at zileers society is launching a united against

:55:01.:55:05.

Alzheimer's campaign and that's calling for everybody to understand

:55:06.:55:08.

Alzheimer's better and take action to solve the What does that problem.

:55:09.:55:13.

Mean? Fixing a system that isn't working for people with dimecsia.

:55:14.:55:18.

Dementia crisis is a social care crisis. 60% of people use home care

:55:19.:55:27.

Service. What's that? Someone will support someone with dementia and

:55:28.:55:30.

support a carer. Why doesn't everyone get home care if they are

:55:31.:55:34.

looking after a relative with dimecsia? There isn't enough funding

:55:35.:55:40.

in the system and what we heard from Margaret and Kate, there is a

:55:41.:55:43.

postcode Lottery and another challenge we want the next

:55:44.:55:46.

Government to fix is how complex the system is. So having someone to good

:55:47.:55:49.

families and people with dementia through the process would be

:55:50.:55:52.

essential because we were talking in the green room and Margaret and Kate

:55:53.:55:55.

had it teach their carers some of the things about the system because

:55:56.:55:58.

they understand it, but not everyone is in that position. OK. So be

:55:59.:56:03.

really cleared what you want parties to offer. It is more money to pay

:56:04.:56:09.

for home carers to go in, to give respite to peel like Margaret and

:56:10.:56:13.

Kate and Sue on our film and more services like the dementia centre

:56:14.:56:17.

that you referenced Margaret? Better training as well. Only one in three

:56:18.:56:22.

home care workers has any dementia training. Do you have a figure of

:56:23.:56:25.

how much more money political parties should be promising in their

:56:26.:56:30.

manifestos to put into social care? Well, the cost of care for dementia

:56:31.:56:35.

?17 billion is falling on people with dementia themselves. ?17

:56:36.:56:38.

billion a year? That's right. That's falling on carers and their families

:56:39.:56:43.

Exactly right. ?17 million. How have you got to that figure? The cost to

:56:44.:56:50.

the UK is over ?26 billion and ?17 billion falls on people themselves

:56:51.:56:53.

in terms of the care they have to providement if you get a 15 minute

:56:54.:56:58.

care visit a day, the rest of the day, I think, the point about the

:56:59.:57:01.

three eight hour shifts. There is no party going to be suggesting ?17

:57:02.:57:07.

billion a year so, what are you saying? The key thing is better

:57:08.:57:12.

training for staff involved, support through the system, as soon as

:57:13.:57:15.

someone is diagnosed with dementia, being told what the system is and

:57:16.:57:18.

how they can navigate the system. How much would that cost? That's

:57:19.:57:22.

essential. We want to work with whoever is next in power to put

:57:23.:57:27.

people with dementia at the heart of the debate and listen to people like

:57:28.:57:34.

Margaret and Kate and Sue on the film. It is a huge issue, isn't it?

:57:35.:57:39.

Yes. That you have, Rob. Margaret, thank you very much for

:57:40.:57:43.

coming in. We wish you all the best. Kate, thank you very much as well.

:57:44.:57:44.

Thank you very much. Last month 21-year-old James Casling

:57:45.:57:47.

moved so many of you to tears when he told us that football

:57:48.:57:50.

saved his life. Since that interview we've taken him

:57:51.:57:53.

to train with QPR s first team and you can find out how we gets

:57:54.:58:00.

on on the programme tomorrow. I would like to thank the many of

:58:01.:58:13.

you who have got this touch today to tell us that you are a carer. I have

:58:14.:58:18.

read so many of your comments. Let me read this from a viewer, "These

:58:19.:58:24.

carers are real heroes who save the Government billions every year and

:58:25.:58:27.

yet have their own lives turned up side down." Thank you for your

:58:28.:58:30.

company today. We're back tomorrow at 9am. Have a good day.

:58:31.:58:43.

Bold bottom Hello. Good morning to you. Yes, that's a wintry mix and it

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