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Hello. It's Wednesday. | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
It's 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | :00:09. | :00:09. | |
Strong and stable leadership. Strong and stable Government. Strok and | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
stable leadership. Strong and stable leadership. Strong and stable | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
Government. Strong and stable leadership. | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
The general election campaign gets underway today meaning some | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
of you are going to hear plenty more of those mantras over | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
Whilst others may never get to hear them. | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
REPORTER: Are you aware there is a general election in June? No. They | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
will still mess up the country. The political parties are out | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
in full campaigning force The Tories are warning that voters | :00:48. | :00:56. | |
face a tax bombshell if Jeremy Corbyn wins. Labour say that's a lie | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
and pledge to halt Tory moves to downgrade accident and emergency | :01:02. | :01:02. | |
departments. Plenty more coverage | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
throughout the programme. Plus Portuguese Detectives have told | :01:08. | :01:08. | |
the BBC they never believed Madeleine McCann was taken | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
during a burglary which went wrong. It's ten years since | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
the three-year-old disappeared. And claims that rules which limit | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
the amount of time people can spend on bail won't actually | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
make any difference. You feel like you've had a crime | :01:20. | :01:28. | |
done to you by the State and there is no one to answer for it. And no | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
apology. That full exclusive | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
report before 10am. Hello and welcome to the programme. | :01:37. | :01:46. | |
We're live until 11am. Throughout the morning, | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
the latest breaking news A little later, we'll speak to some | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
of the men in this photo. The 14 men all students | :01:53. | :02:01. | |
at Cambridge University have got together to prove that young black | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
men can go to Cambridge. They were admitted in 2015 and they | :02:06. | :02:16. | |
say it was hard, but if we did it, you can too. | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning. | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
The EU will announce their plans for the Brexit talks this morning | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
and there are signs that Brussels may demand a much higher divorce | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
One newspaper reckons we may face demands for as much | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
Countries including France, Germany and Poland are said to have | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
Let's speak to our politics guru, Norman Smith, in Westminster. | :02:40. | :02:47. | |
How far apart are Britain and the EU 27? Well, what we are seeing, it is | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
like when you get two heavyweight boxers at a weigh-in going eyeball | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
to eyeball, there is a lot of muscle flexing and public posturing. We had | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
yesterday Theresa May warning she is going to be a bloody difficult woman | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
and now, we have the EU hitting back with reports that they could demand | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
we pay 100 billion euros to leave the EU. This follows work done by | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
the FT journalist today in which they say the EU Brexit bill could | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
run to 100 billion euros. The French and the Poles are saying we would | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
like Britain to pay some of our farm subsidies into the future. You get a | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
sense that both sides are trying to position each other to try and play | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
tough. In a way, that's for domestic consumption. Theresa May know it is | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
looks good it present herself as a strong leaderment how many times | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
have we heard her going on about that? There is a view that David | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
Cameron got rolled over when he went into the negotiations because he was | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
a bit too amenable and too co-operative and it makes sense to | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
play hard ball. The risk, of course, if Mrs May doesn't live up to the | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
sort of bloody difficult woman language then she'll be seen and | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
accused of having backed down, of having bottled it. So there are | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
risks in this strategy, albeit this morning the Brexit secretary David | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
Davis was adamant we're not going to be paying 100 billion pounds. They | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
have offered ?50 billion, ?60 billion, ?100 billion, we have not | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
been given an official number. REPORTER: We could be paying ?100 | :04:26. | :04:37. | |
billion? No, that's not the case. We've come to the end of paying vast | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
sums of money every year to the European Union. | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
David Davis the Brexit secretary. So what are the parties up to today? It | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
is a retro election day today because from the Conservatives we | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
get a tax bombshell dossier. I'm old enough to remember successive | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
elections when the Conservatives have repeatedly produced tax | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
bombshell dossiers, the first person to do it was John Major in 1992, | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
today we get another tax bombshell dossier where Labour have got | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
unfunded spending commitments which will cost the taxpayer ?45 billion. | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
Labour are furious and say it's lies, their word, a lot of these | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
so-called spending commitments are not actually party policy, but they | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
have been having their own sort of retro election today by going back | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
to Labour's favoured theme, namely the NHS, saying they would tear up | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
these plans which hospital trusts have been asked to come up with | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
basically to pair back on money, but which could mean A departments | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
being downgraded and they say they'd rip them up and start over again. We | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
have the Tories going on about the tax bombshell and Labour going on | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
about save our NHS. Kind a retro of election. And just how old are you, | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
Norman, just out of interest? Getting close towards 60! Never! | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
Never! Never! Get out of here. No way! More from Norman through the | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
morning and through the next few weeks as we head to that general | :06:12. | :06:20. | |
election. Joanna is in the newsroom. | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
Political parties are taking to the streets in the last day | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
of campaigning ahead of tomorrow's local elections. | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
Nearly five thousand council seats are up | :06:30. | :06:30. | |
for grabs across England, Wales and Scotland. | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
The poll will give voters a chance to deliver their verdicts | :06:33. | :06:34. | |
on the main parties before the general election next month. | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
There are also eight mayoral elections. | :06:39. | :06:38. | |
Today marks ten years since the disappearance | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
The BBC's Panorama programme has learnt that Portuguese detectives | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
never believed the main British police theory that the toddler was | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
The three-year-old went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
Despite extensive international inquiries, no firm leads have been | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
found and the investigations remain open. | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
Ten years since everything changed here. | :07:00. | :07:12. | |
Ten years since a little girl vanished on a holiday | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
It's unbelievable that nothing, there has been nothing. | :07:16. | :07:24. | |
They haven't found the child, they haven't found anything. | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
Jenny Murat remembers it like it was yesterday. | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
She only lives a few yards from the block | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
Back then she set up a stall outside, appealing for information. | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
She never imagined that the case would still be unsolved a decade on. | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
This comes into my mind every day. Every single day. | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
Everything you look at and you see all around you is... | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
It connects somehow to the fact that a little girl disappeared. | :07:52. | :07:59. | |
This week it has been claimed that on the night Madeleine disappeared | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
a mystery woman was seen outside the family's apartment. | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
Jenny told me she saw this woman who is now reported | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
to be a significant part of the investigation. | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
I noticed her and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide. | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
I do remember that she was wearing a plum coloured top. | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
For the first time, Jenny has also told us | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
about a car she saw that night speeding towards the McCann's | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
apartment, heading the wrong way down a one-way street. | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
It was one of the small cars, like a rental car, the normal | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
We just looked at each other and I think he had a very | :08:37. | :08:59. | |
Ten years of unprecedented publicity. | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
Ten years of appeals, but no answers. | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
It has had a huge impact on my personality... | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
Jenny's son Robert was to be named a suspect in the case. | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
A decade on, his name may have been cleared, but he still cannot | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
The internet is full of theories. I'd like to know the truth. | :09:27. | :09:34. | |
I'd like to know the truth, not theories. | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
I just want to know why that was the case. | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
It didn't only lead to me being destroyed, | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
it led to my whole family being destroyed and affected | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
And you are adamant that you were not there that night? | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
Ten years ago this was just another sleepy village. | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
Now it is the place where Madeleine disappeared. | :09:52. | :10:01. | |
Detectives have been given more time to question three young women | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
arrested on suspicion of terror offences. | :10:06. | :10:06. | |
The women, all teenagers, were detained in East London on Monday. | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
The operation was linked to a raid in north-west London last week, | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
during which another woman was shot and wounded by police. | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
Senior police officers and defence lawyers have criticised new rules | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
intended to reduce the amount of time people can be | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
Last month, a new 28-day limit on pre-charge bail was introduced | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
It followed criticism from people who were kept on bail for months | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
or even years during high profile investigations into historical | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
But this programme has been told the new time frame is unrealistic | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
The England footballer Aaron Lennon has been detained under | :10:44. | :10:51. | |
The 30-year-old Premier League star was taken to hospital for assessment | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
amid concerns for his welfare after police found him near the side | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :10:59. | :11:10. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
After 10am, we will talk to four people who never voted. Actually, | :11:16. | :11:26. | |
that's not true, one thinks he voted once, but he's not sure. | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
In the next half an hour or so, we will tell you more about the 30 or | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
so people we spoke to, eight of whom didn't know there was a general | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
election in five weeks time! Only three would go on camera though. | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
Stay tuned for that. Let's get some sport | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
with Hugh Woozencroft. And we're going to talk | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
about Cristiano Ronaldo. He continues to be | :11:48. | :11:56. | |
so impressive at the very I imagine 2017 he will be favourite | :11:57. | :12:06. | |
to make it five. Last night the former England defender, his old | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
team-mate, Phil Neville likened him to Pele or George Best. He was in | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
imperious form to help Real Madrid take a step towards the Champions | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
League final. They beat their city rivals Atletico Madrid thanks to | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
Ronaldo's 4th hat-trick for the club. They have the chance to become | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
the first back-to-back winners of the Champions League as well and | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
that would be a third title in four years in the competition for them. A | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
huge achievement even for a club with so much success. They are | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
11-time winners and their recent history, all of that success would | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
be underpinned by Cristiano Ronaldo himself. Describe how good he is. | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
Well, for Ronaldo the record books continue to be rewritten. If you | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
talk about footballing records, he just about has all of them to his | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
namement if you want to talk about what his footballing legacy will be, | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
he has taken the game to a new level. Aside from his personal | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
accolades, his time at Manchester United and Real Madrid has been | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
underlined by his professionalism on and off the pitch, his work rate in | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
terms of his physical condition and his dedication to his craft. | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
Portugal, his country, to their first international trophy at the | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
European Championship last summerment if you were to mention | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
like beside Maradona and Pele and his team-mate, he wouldn't be out of | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
place in a list like that. There is a strong case as well to call in him | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
the best player who has ever lived and we can look at his stats. Last | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
night, Cristiano Ronaldo scored that hat-trick. He has back-to-back | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
Champions League hat-tricks in knock-out games. He is the first | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
player to achieve that after his five goals against Bayern Munich, he | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
has eight goals in his last three Champions League games. The Atletico | :14:02. | :14:09. | |
fans won't like the next one, he has scored more goals than their club! | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
Another new benchmark as well, Cristiano Ronaldo has become the | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
first player to move beyond 50 goals in the knock-out stages of Champions | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
League. He is up to 52 and 13 of those came in semifinals. I saw a | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
tweet the other day saying the next time you feel sad remember how lucky | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
you were to be around to see Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
play. We have been blessed over the last decade. Amazing stats. Tennis, | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
there is reason to be optimistic for the former Wimbledon champion. Yes, | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
good news yesterday. A great day for her and fer fans as well. The | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
two-time Wimbledon champion returned to a tennis court following severe | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
injuries that were caused by an attack at her home last year. The | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
27-year-old suffered tendon and nerve damage in her left-hand when | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
she was stabbed by an intruder in December. She posted a picture of | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
practise in Monaco saying, "I hope this picture makes you as happy as | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
it makes me." She was expected to be out for six months, but she said she | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
has a chance at playing at the French Open. That starts at the end | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
of this month the best of luck to her with her recovery. Thank you, | :15:17. | :15:17. | |
Hugh. So it may feel like it's been | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
going on for weeks already - but today's the day the general | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
election campaign From today every seat in the House | :15:27. | :15:28. | |
of Commons becomes up for grabs and MPs revert to being plain | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
old candidates - although government ministers | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
keep their titles and their jobs. So over the next 35 days, | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
how many more moments How much would police officers cost? | :15:40. | :16:03. | |
We think it would be about ?300,000. 10,000 police officers, what are you | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
saying? No, I mean, sorry. How much will they cost? They will... It will | :16:09. | :16:24. | |
cost... About, about ?80 million. Mrs Thatcher, why won't the | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
Argentinian battleship was outside the exclusion zone and actually | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
sailing away from the Falklands, why did you give the orders to sink it? | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
It was not sailing away from the Falklands, it was in an area which | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
was a danger to our ships. As you went away, a microphone | :16:42. | :17:14. | |
picked up saying that was a very bigoted woman. Is that what you | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
said? I apologise if I said anything like that. What I think she was | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
raising about me was an issue about immigration, and saying there were | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
too many people from Eastern Europe in the country. I do apologise if I | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
have said anything that has been hurtful and I will apologise to her | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
personally. Someone has just handed me the tape. You should never have | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It is just ridiculous. You | :17:40. | :17:48. | |
can support Man Utd, the Windies and Team GB all of the same time. Of | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
course I would rather you supported West Ham. You have said before that | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
the governors to choose. Do you choose West Ham or Villa? I had what | :17:58. | :18:06. | |
Natalie Wood described as a brain fade, I am a Villa fan, I must have | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
been overcome by something this morning. There we are, these things | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
sometimes happen when you are on the stump. I know how long this campaign | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
has been for all of you. But I would urge you, if you've got anything | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
else to do with the next five days, put it off. Until after May the 7th. | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
DIY, Sarah will be around your house to do video wire after May the 7th. | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
Absolutely. Family weddings Sarah will come to your family weddings | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
after the seventh. You are promising 12 Ilion pound cuts to the welfare | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
bill, you have told people about two billion and you went tell voters the | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
details of the rest because? We have gone into some detail, as you said. | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
But the 10 billion, why when you tell voters the rest? Over the last | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
five years we have managed to make savings in the welfare budget. But | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
the 10 billion you haven't explained, why won't you tell voters | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
about that? Because what we have got to do is as we have in the last five | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
years work through making those savings, and I think we have got a | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
track record... OK, is there anyone here who thinks as a voter they are | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
entitled to hear the details? Yes! Well, all of those clips seem like a | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
lifetime ago, don't they? Later this morning, we'll be | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
speaking to a group of people between the ages of 23 and 50 who've | :19:36. | :19:37. | |
never voted - they'll tell us why. Although one thinks he might have | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
done. Now let's speak to Anne | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
McElvoy, Senior editor at The Economist magazine, | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
Guardian columnist and Labour supporter Owen Jones, | :19:50. | :19:51. | |
and Daniel Finkelstein, Times columnist and | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
Conservative peer. Good morning. What sort of campaign | :19:54. | :20:02. | |
are you expecting over the next few weeks? Spectacularly dull one, in | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
live and by the kind of pratfalls that we saw yesterday, with Diane | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
Abbott. Because once you have put a campaign into a very tight framework | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
of time, and it really is a four-week campaign, everyone has to | :20:16. | :20:17. | |
be Abel the time. There hasn't been the long run-up or preparation. So | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
unless you are really on top of your brief, someone will ask you | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
something very awkward. You're very good take there showed how often | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
that happens historically. So I would expect some ups and downs but | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
Theresa May is its -- she is determined to make it a boring | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
campaign because that is what she needs to get onto the terms she | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
wants. She doesn't want any excitements. What would you say, | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
Owen? It was like you've been framed but less entertaining, that. The | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
Tories strategy at the moment is to say nothing about domestic policy, | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
to stick the slogans over and over again, Lynton Crosby clearly is a | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
pro at this. He is the Tory spinmeister general, he did the last | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
general election, and his whole approach is you just stick the key | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
messages on the basis that most voters phase out and so on. It will | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
be interesting to see if voters find that a bit insulting, where you just | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
hammer away at slogans which are quite awkwardly just thrown into | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
answers without focusing on the substance. What do the Tories have | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
to say on the NHS, which the Red Cross said was in a humanitarian | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
crisis earlier this year? Education, public services, tax. The economy | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
first at the moment we don't have answers. Whether you like labour or | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
not, they are setting up policies. Today they are making this point | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
about the latest top-down NHS reorganisation, whereby 35 Accident | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
Emergency departments are in risk of closure or downgrade. They argue | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
they will make a stop to that. Will the Tories respond to the depth of | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
that, the substance, or will it just be Lynton Crosby slogans? What do | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
you think, Daniel, public services are under pressure, education | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
budgets are stretched, and parts of the NHS seem to be in dire straits. | :22:03. | :22:11. | |
I am sure the Conservative campaign will focus on what they want to do, | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
which will be strong and stable leadership, they know that is an | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
issue people with them. Most election campaigns don't convert | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
people. They start with an opinion, Owen has his opinion and I have | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
mine, it is unlikely anyone is going to say will change that. So what you | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
want to try to do is put to the front of people's minds the issues | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
on what they agree with you. So campaigns have to be disciplined in | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
order to achieve that. Obviously you also get the advantage in an | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
election campaign of unscripted moments. Sometimes, we journalists | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
overestimate the impact that makes. In some ways, it would be lucky if | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
people notice them at all, and certainly yesterday there was all | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
that fuss about Diane Abbott. Yes, it was a performance that would have | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
embarrassed her because I can imagine doing something terrible | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
like that myself. In the end people probably didn't notice it that much. | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
The other thing is we don't always know what is a platform at the time | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
and what is a success. Afterwards we frame things, but if you get | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
something like the Neil Kinnock we are all right, that Sheffield rally. | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
I was speaking to a journalist who is a very successful sketch writer | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
at the time, and he got back on the bus, and everyone said, that was | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
great commie was on fire. It was only when you got away from the | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
scene of the crime, if you like, these were the days before mobile | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
phones, everyone got home and said that is awful. Just remind viewers | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
what the problem was with that, because it was 1992. The problem was | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
hubris. We have seen it a little bit in Emmanuel Macron in France going | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
into his election, a rather inexperienced politician, brilliant | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
guy, after the first two rounds of voting, he sounded like he had it in | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
the bag, he had his arms of the air, said this image is that he has | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
scored the goal. But he hasn't, he has just got a very good pass, and | :24:04. | :24:06. | |
that was the problem for Kinnock and needs to be avoided. That was | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
yesterday, with Diane Abbott, but my worry is that most of the press will | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
be scrutinising the opposition, and I think we need to shift the balance | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
a little bit more. Of your sleeve that was a blooper, but we should be | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
debating Labour Party policy yesterday, that is what the media | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
should do. And plenty of media did. But then you have to have it tested | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
and if the figures don't routinely stand-up, whether it is on the NHS | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
or policemen was, then you can't say you're not being fair to us. But | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
they do stack up, that's the point. Miracle maths. That is not fair. | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
Just to give you an example. Just finish briefly that point about | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
policing. I am sitting here with two pro-government voices here. I am not | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
a pro-government voice. Oh, come on. We invited Anna Calvin to be the | :25:02. | :25:08. | |
neutral one. You are pro-labour and we had a pro-Conservative. Luke | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
beautifully neutral, as the BBC are. The proposals on police are to get | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
10,000 more police officers, which would cost 800 million, so they | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
still have a huge amount of money left over, just so we're clear on | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
that. From the promises we have had so far, the clues we have had so | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
far, the extra police officers, the million more homes from Labour, pay | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
rise for NHS staff, from the Conservatives, VAT won't go up, | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
which means national insurance or income tax might, and the promise of | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
this energy price cap. Do those individual policies add up to a | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
coherent vision for the future of Britain for any of you? Grate I | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
think there is going to be a choice, there is away is a choice between a | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
Labour and Conservative government, extension to buy the position that | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn takes. If Labour is elected it will | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
spend more on public services, tax more and borrow more. I think we | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
have been down that path, it wasn't successful, in the end I think poor | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
people end up paying for it. That is one of our fundamental disagreements | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
because you don't. Sometimes at elections can eliminate that, but we | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
don't have a hypothesis, so a tax system that somebody in notes is a | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
particular tax it gets spent on a particular thing. You have to take | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
an overall view on whether you think Labour or the Tories are likely to | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
be able to balance the books was to take the view that Labour has failed | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
at. Is it wise believing any party figures going into elections. To | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
re-establish my impartiality, we have seen this done repeatedly by a | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
run of Conservative governments, that the target is not a target any | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
more, then there is a deficit reduction target, and frankly if we | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
follow this and feel a little bit sceptical about it, and we are a | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
group of people who have to do this for a living, had we think the | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
voters respond to it? The Tories's record is important here because | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
they said they would wipe out the deficit by 2015, didn't get close. | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
They have added more debt than every Labour government put together. Of | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
course, because the deficit is too high. You have said the poor has | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
suffered the consequences, we have suffered the longest squeeze on | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
living standards for a generation. What Labour have to get clear is a | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
vision because it is not about individual policies, most people | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
don't think like that. It is a case of putting money in your pocket, | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
whether it be a ?10 living wage for example. Labour is the borrowing | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
party and it will borrow more. The reason the Conservatives have done | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
that is even with all the pressure the Conservatives have exerted, all | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
of which you have opposed and labour as opposed, the is still too high. | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
There has been no talk about the deficit yet. 2015 everyone was | :27:50. | :27:57. | |
obsessed with it. I think it is important the Conservatives turn to | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
that, because it is an important part of the public debate and if it | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
was that I was an election strategist they can win on it. If | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
you are strong on the economy, and the Conservatives are far ahead on | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
that. You win on economy full stop the deficit between what we bring in | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
and what we spend and that is where we have the shortfall. There are | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
quite a few people not at all in gauge the yet with this general | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
election. In fact there are quite a few people who don't know that a | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
general election is in a few weeks' time. Have a look at this. | :28:28. | :28:39. | |
Are you aware that there's a general election in June? | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
I'm not aware of anything that is going on. | :28:42. | :28:51. | |
Are you aware of who the Prime Minister is? You are 18, will you be | :28:52. | :29:03. | |
voting in the election? I am so against us like that. I think | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
everyone should vote. You have been given that though so you should | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
definitely vote, regardless of what your opinion is. Vote because it is | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
your right to do so first what do you have the say to that? LAUGHTER | :29:17. | :29:26. | |
I would rather not. I am not so interested in politics because what | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
they say is not going to happen. I don't take no noticeable that, | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
because it doesn't matter whatever, they still mess up the country like | :29:35. | :29:36. | |
they have done anyway. Do you feel your vote is important? | :29:37. | :29:47. | |
No. That's what I'm saying, it is rubbish, one takes over and is | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
supposed to be better, nothing is ever better. We actually talk to | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
about 30 people over 90 minutes or so, eight people did not know there | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
was a general election in June, only three would go on camera. It is | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
worth bearing in mind, isn't it, for both journalists and politicians | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
that actually some people have no idea, not that bothered, and turnout | :30:10. | :30:10. | |
might be an issue. This is something that politicians | :30:11. | :30:20. | |
organising election campaigns have to be aware of. You have got a | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
certain amount of people that won't vote anyway and although you want to | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
put your message out, you can't do much about that, but you are | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
interested in the people that are vaguely aware. The lady said she was | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
sometimes aware of who the Prime Minister was! People used to say | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
that doctors had the question if someone had a blow to the head, it | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
gets confusing when you change Prime Ministers, there is a looser | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
national awareness of what is going on at Westminster than maybe there | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
was 20 or 30 years ago. Can we talk about Brexit? Which party is going | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
to be honest with voters and say, "We are going to have to pay a big | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
bill for leaving the European Union. And we are going to end up with a | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
worst trade deal than we have got now with the European Union." I | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
supported remaining in the European Union for those reasons. We have | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
made the decision to leave the European Union so I think the | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
question people have to decide is what is the most coherent way and | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
the strongest way of negotiating with the European Union? At the end | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
of it, because I think this is one of the choices, are we going to | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
leave the European Union anyway or are we going to have to have a | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
second referendum or a Parliamentary decision that we're not going to | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
leave the European Union? That's the debate in the election campaign. I | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
voted Remain and I take the view we made that decision it has to be | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
respected. The Lib Dems offering a referendum on the final deal. Where | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
are you when it comes to Brexit? We have to just implement what the | :31:45. | :31:47. | |
referendum saidment I supported Remain, but the people made their | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
decision. But the issue is on what terms do you leave? My fear is the | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
premise of this election I'm afraid is fraudulent which is Theresa May | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
says this will strengthen a deal if she gets a bigger majority. Other | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
European countries don't care how many seats she has got. They are | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
interested this their own electorate. The critical point is do | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
we end up crashing out of the European Union without any deal? Do | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
we end up as a tax haven and strip away social provision which makes | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
this country great or do we keep the benefits of the single market and | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
the customs union and defend jobs and the economy? That dividing line | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
has to be made clear because I don't think people in this country are | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
aware of the dangers what of Tories will end up doing? If you want to | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
spend money on public services you will spend it whatever deal you get | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
the the problem for Theresa May and you have seen the hostile reaction | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
from Brussels and from other European countries this week is that | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
having done something, which she has to carry out, is not going to be | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
easy. It won't be easy to get the trade deal and it wobt be easy to | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
make trade arrangements so she is going to have to be very, very | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
tough. She is going to get into Thatcher mark two territory and she | :33:04. | :33:11. | |
has to be prepared to be disliked. The FT report suggests the bill | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
could be up to 100 billion euros. Into it is not a bill. We will be | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
paying some of what we will be paying anyway. It is only a part of | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
what we pay into the EU. So the question is how long will the | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
transition period go? In all fronts in terms of the regulations and in | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
terms of how much we pay into the European Union? These are bills that | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
the European Union say are part of the future payment we have committed | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
to. They are a generous estimates. It is like when the builder comes | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
round and you get the estimate and you would like to knock a bit off | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
it. The Government are arguing we can keep the benefits of the | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
European Union and get rid of the bits we don't like and the | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
Government needs... They are arguing when it come to the single market | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
and the customs union. Labour are saying it doesn't want free movement | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
and the benefits of the single market and it has been said. So | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
you're saying, they will accept free movement if it has to? The European | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
Union has made it clear, and that's, if you are going to have an end to | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
free moment of labour, you are aren't going to be allowed to have | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
the benefits of the single market. What the priority is, what the | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
aspiration, what they are aiming for, according to the polling most | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
people want to stay in the single market in this country if possible. | :34:26. | :34:36. | |
Are the next five weeks going to be about this? | :34:37. | :34:59. | |
Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong and stable leadership. Strong. Strong. | :35:00. | :35:06. | |
Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong and stable leadership. | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
It's a rigged system. It's a rigged Stel. Theresa May's coronation, for | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
her coronation. A rigged committee. We've system that's rigged That's | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
the difference. That's the contrast to ensure that we have that strong | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
and stable leadership. Thank you very much for coming on the | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
programme we may talk again in the next few weeks if you come back, | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
thank you. We will be on the road over the next few weeks. | :35:33. | :35:40. | |
Is it about Brexit, schools and the NHS and a bit of Brexit? You will be | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
able to tell us, debate and talk directly to politicians as well | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
before election day itself, we will be in the Scottish Borders, the | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
Welsh valleys and we will kick off things next week in Cornwall. If you | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
live in or know those areas, they are big areas, then get in touch to | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
give us a better sense of what matters to you and your suggestions | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
of where to visit and people to talk to. Do e-mail us. | :36:05. | :36:12. | |
Ten years after her disappearance, Portuguese detectives tell the BBC | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
they never believed the theory that Madeleine McCann was taken | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
We'll be live in Portugal and we'll speak to the man who got | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
And just why did 14 black Cambridge students | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :36:33. | :36:40. | |
The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, has rejected suggestions that | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
Britain will be forced to pay up to ?100 million as a final | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
The European Commission's chief negotiator Michel Barnier | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
will publish the EU's Brexit negotiating guidelines this morning | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
after a gathering of European leaders at the weekend. | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
Some reports suggest negotiators have increased the size | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
of the so-called divorce bill which the EU will demand | :37:02. | :37:03. | |
We will see have the speech live in the next ten minutes or after 10am. | :37:04. | :37:19. | |
That's coming up shortly. Labour has dismissed Conservative | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
claims that they're planning a "tax The Shadow Chancellor, | :37:24. | :37:25. | |
John McDonnell, has accused the Conservatives of lying, | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
saying the Labour manifesto But the Tories insist | :37:29. | :37:30. | |
there's a ?45 billion gap between what Labour is promising | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
to spend, and what it Political parties are taking | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
to the streets in the last day of campaigning ahead | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
of tomorrow's local elections. Nearly 5,000 council seats are up | :37:43. | :37:44. | |
for grabs across England, The poll will give voters a chance | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
to deliver their verdicts on the main parties before | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
the general election next month. There are also eight | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
mayoral elections. Today marks ten years | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
since the disappearance The BBC's Panorama programme has | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
learnt that Portuguese detectives never believed the main British | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
police theory that the toddler was She went missing from a holiday | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
apartment in Praia da Despite extensive international | :38:11. | :38:22. | |
inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
open. A former Scotland Yard Commissioner | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
has said continuing the search for Madeleine was the right | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
thing to do. Detectives have been given more time | :38:31. | :38:32. | |
to question three young women arrested on suspicion | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
of terror offences. The women, all teenagers, were | :38:36. | :38:36. | |
detained in East London on Monday. The operation was linked to a raid | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
in north-west London last week, during which another woman was shot | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
and wounded by police. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :38:43. | :38:49. | |
News - more at 10am. James says I'm 47. Me and my | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
girlfriend who is the same abling have never voted. My reasons are, I | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
don't have faith in them. They don't warrant me wasting my time and going | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
to vote. John says, "If certain members of the public are confused | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
by the change in Prime Ministers, they shouldn't be voting." One | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
person knows it is a privilege to vote and the other doesn't care. | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
David says people are not aware there is an election, how could you | :39:19. | :39:27. | |
not know? Mike tweets, "This fascinating vox pops, many not | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
knowing there is an election and who is the PM." | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
Atletico stay on course to win the trophy for a third time this four | :39:36. | :39:54. | |
years. Colin Jackson believes his entire | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
career will be tarnished if proposals to scrap athletics | :39:58. | :39:59. | |
world records set before The European Athletics Taskforce | :40:00. | :40:01. | |
thinks erasing records set from before doping samples | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
were retained, could help World number one Andy Murray says | :40:05. | :40:06. | |
he expects Maria Sharapova to be given wildcard entry into this | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
year's Wimbledon qualifiers. Former champion Sharapova recently | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
returned to competition The Salford Red Devils winger | :40:17. | :40:18. | |
Justin Carney has been banned for eight matches | :40:19. | :40:26. | |
after he admitted to racially He was sent off during their win | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
over Toronto Wolfpack That's all the sport for now. I'll | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
have more after 10am. People kept on police bail | :40:32. | :40:44. | |
for months, or even years, say it left them feeling suicidal | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
and unable to move New rules have changed how long | :40:47. | :40:48. | |
people can be bailed for, Our reporter John Owen | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
has been investigating. I live elsewhere, so that I'm not | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
going to be arrested It has driven me very | :40:58. | :41:16. | |
close to the edge. Either my laptop did or didn't | :41:17. | :41:31. | |
upload images to a Flickr account. Pre-charge bail is a police power | :41:32. | :41:43. | |
that allows a suspect to be released from custody whilst | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
a crime is investigated. With an obligation to return | :41:47. | :41:48. | |
for further questioning, Questions around the length of time | :41:49. | :41:50. | |
that suspects spend on pre-charge bail came to public attention | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
after a string of high-profile investigations into phone hacking | :41:57. | :41:58. | |
and historic sex abuse. The police have some | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
questions to answer. How do you feel about three | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
years of your life wasted Suspects complained that they have | :42:05. | :42:06. | |
been subjected to long periods on police bail, | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
and unnecessarily protracted Although it's only recently made | :42:14. | :42:14. | |
headlines, thousands of people spend Some spend many months on the police | :42:15. | :42:22. | |
scrutiny before even A few weeks ago, new restrictions | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
came into effect designed to reduce the length of time that suspects | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
spend under investigation. The new rules say that the length | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
of time a person can be kept on pre-charge bail will be limited | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
to an initial 28 days, but that a senior police officer can | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
extend a person's bail time up After that, a magistrate can | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
grant further extensions. But as the new rules come | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
into effect, this programme has heard concerns that it won't address | :42:50. | :42:52. | |
the problem they are These new rules don't do anything | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
to ensure that investigations in general are going to be | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
resolved more swiftly. In fact, I fear that they | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
may even take longer. As well as concerns | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
from senior police officers We have a police service | :43:07. | :43:08. | |
that is on its knees. 28 days just simply | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
is not realistic. David Prince spent two years under | :43:14. | :43:24. | |
police investigation after being caught up | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
in a complex fraud case. He was unaware of any proceedings | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
against him until ?31,000 suddenly disappeared | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
from his business account. As the investigation progressed, | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
he had almost 50 items of personal property confiscated, | :43:38. | :43:46. | |
and the police froze He described the psychological | :43:47. | :43:47. | |
pressure of spending time It had a terrible effect on my life. | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
I had no money to live off. I'd sold everything that | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
I owned of any value. A lot of the depression kicked | :43:56. | :43:57. | |
in after I was arrested And so a few months after that, | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
I attempted to commit suicide, and for another twice after that | :44:02. | :44:10. | |
I attempted to commit You attempted suicide | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
on three occasions? You must have been | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
in a very dark place. Having your whole life turned | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
upside down, everything taken away from you, | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
your business taken away from you, your personal accounts | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
taken away from you. You feel like you've had a crime | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
done to you by the state. How did the police inform | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
you that there were going to be no Well basically, they sent me | :44:39. | :44:56. | |
a very badly printed So, I can hardly even read this, | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
because it's so badly produced. And you can sort of make out | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
here that there is a cross mark where it says there is insufficient | :45:09. | :45:16. | |
evidence to provide a realistic And that made me feel | :45:17. | :45:18. | |
absolutely awful. Rather than releasing me and saying, | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
innocent, they're saying Well, there is insufficient evidence | :45:23. | :45:24. | |
because there is no evidence And they should at least | :45:25. | :45:31. | |
acknowledge that. There's no empathy in | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
a police investigation. And that's the way you're treated | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
all the way through. And even when you finish | :45:41. | :45:49. | |
the process, you just And that's difficult to live with, | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
and that makes you angry. Steve has spent the last nine months | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
under police investigation. He is currently on pre-charge bail, | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
and has had his bail time For legal reasons, we can't | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
broadcast the full details of his case, or reveal his last | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
name, but Steve has been accused of making explicit images public | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
online without the consent Steve maintains his innocence, | :46:15. | :46:16. | |
and is yet to be charged, still less convicted, | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
of any offence. For the last nine, ten months, | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
I've known at any time I could be arrested again, | :46:28. | :46:30. | |
taken back and put in a cell. You've been on bail | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
for nine months already? When you receive notice that | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
that was going to be extended by an additional three months, | :46:36. | :46:50. | |
you wrote an e-mail to the police. And in that e-mail, you said, | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
this is not a police state. If you want me in three | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
then come and get me. You sound like a man | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
on the edge in that e-mail. I was on the edge there, and I did | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
actually send them an e-mail. The last e-mail I sent | :47:05. | :47:07. | |
to them said, look, this Had I not for the first time gone | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
and seen my GP about this, Talking to friends and telling them | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
the full facts of the case, who has accused me and what I have | :47:15. | :47:24. | |
been accused of. It has driven me very | :47:25. | :47:26. | |
close to the edge. Steve has had his bail time extended | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
on five separate occasions, and has spent months with his life | :47:30. | :47:31. | |
on hold waiting to be I really did believe this time, | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
because the inspector did write to me and say, | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
look, we are going to get it sorted this time for you, | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
the longest one ever Under the new rules, | :47:41. | :47:43. | |
there is going to be a 28-day But of course that doesn't help | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
somebody in your position, does it? No, because I'm already | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
on what they are calling now the old scheme, and I do believe I'm | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
going to be put further and further back, because they've got to deal | :47:55. | :47:57. | |
with people on the new scheme, whereas with me, they can just write | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
to me and put me back again So you are worried | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
that the 28-day limit... As an outspoken critic | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
of the new regulations, vice-chair of the Police Federation, | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
Calum Macleod, shares Steve's concerns, and also believes | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
that the changes will create serious The issue is, 28 days is a very, | :48:14. | :48:15. | |
very short time frame. We have a police service | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
that is on its knees. We are 23,000 officers less | :48:20. | :48:21. | |
than we were in 2009. The pressure that these officers | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
are under is immense. 28 days just simply | :48:25. | :48:26. | |
is not realistic. In some cases, people's lives | :48:27. | :48:28. | |
are really torn apart by being under Do you think the police ought to be | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
more conscious of the fact that their investigations can | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
have a very detrimental effect on the lives of people who have | :48:36. | :48:37. | |
been accused of a crime? I take on board what you're saying | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
in relation to the impact That is right, I sympathise with | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
individuals involved in the process. But sometimes it's simply | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
outwith our control in relation Do you think that the new bail rules | :48:49. | :48:50. | |
will ultimately mean that people accused of a crime will be dealt | :48:51. | :49:01. | |
with more swiftly than Ultimately, I think we're | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
going to end up with a lot What happens to the individuals | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
who are released without bail? What mechanisms are there to ensure | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
that that crime is investigated on the same level as somebody | :49:12. | :49:14. | |
who is on bail? So you're saying that | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
somebody could be released from custody without bail, | :49:22. | :49:23. | |
but still be subjected to a very long police investigation | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
without even the staging post That is exactly the point | :49:27. | :49:27. | |
I'm trying to make. We put this last point to criminal | :49:28. | :49:38. | |
defence lawyer Ruth Harris, and asked if the new rules would put | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
any limit on the length of time a person could spend under police | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
investigation if they are simply No, there is no limit on the length | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
of police investigation for them. What's important to notice that's | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
going to be a really significant proportion of the people | :49:53. | :49:54. | |
who are released while an investigation continues, | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
because the new rules say that there must be a presumption | :49:58. | :49:59. | |
that people who are released pending investigation are not released | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
on bail, and not really subject to any bail conditions, | :50:04. | :50:05. | |
so we going to see probably the majority of people released | :50:06. | :50:07. | |
without any bail at all, and they'll be released with this | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
stench of wrongdoing hanging round them, but no date | :50:11. | :50:12. | |
on which they can imagine that the case is going to be | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
resolved, and no mechanism by which they can challenge | :50:16. | :50:17. | |
tardiness on the part of the police When your clients are subjected | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
to very long police investigations, what kind of an effect does it tend | :50:21. | :50:38. | |
to have on them? Well, in answering that it's | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
important to remember who these people are that are subject | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
to these provisions. These are people that | :50:45. | :50:46. | |
have been identified as suspects by the police, | :50:47. | :50:47. | |
and released under investigation. But often they are identified quite | :50:48. | :50:49. | |
publicly, the suspects. So if you were facing | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
an allegation which you contest, and have no way in which you can | :50:53. | :50:54. | |
clear your name, and no clarity as to when the matter will be | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
resolved, the stress on you can If you work in the criminal justice | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
system, or you've been on bail for a long period of time - | :51:01. | :51:17. | |
do get in touch. When the reform to the pre-charge | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
bail rules came into effect on April 3rd, the Home Office said the change | :51:21. | :51:23. | |
"brings an end to the injustice of people being left to languish | :51:24. | :51:26. | |
on very lengthy periods One today marks the 10-year | :51:27. | :51:41. | |
anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance in Portugal. Since | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
then, many different theories have been investigated by both Portuguese | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
and British police. Last week, the Met, who have been running an | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
investigation since 2011, said they are still pursuing critical lines of | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
enquiry. Madeleine McCann's parents Kate and Gerry have been speaking to | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
Fiona Bruce about how they feel a decade on from their daughter cosmic | :52:05. | :52:06. | |
disappearance. It's that 10-year mark, which makes | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
it more significant I think, that's a reminder of how | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
much time has gone by. I think that the day | :52:13. | :52:14. | |
and the poignancy of it, that we don't tend to go back | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
to the time because it's so draining, but inevitably | :52:20. | :52:21. | |
on the anniversaries and on her birthday | :52:22. | :52:23. | |
they are by far the hardest days. How different is your life now | :52:24. | :52:32. | |
to what you must have imagined It's a hard one, isn't | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
it, because it's such Before Madeleine was taken we felt | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
we'd managed to achieve We had that for a short period | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
and you adapt and have Unfortunately for us a new normality | :52:47. | :52:54. | |
at the minute is a family of four. Last time we talked you told me how | :52:55. | :53:01. | |
you were still buying birthday presents and Christmas | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
presents for Madeleine. After ten years are | :53:06. | :53:06. | |
you still doing that? So you go around the shops and think | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
Madeleine would be this age now, I obviously have to think | :53:09. | :53:19. | |
about what age she is and something that, you know, whenever | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
we find her will But I couldn't not, | :53:25. | :53:26. | |
she's still our daughter, Jon Kay is in Praia Da Luz. It is so | :53:27. | :53:56. | |
familiar this site, we have seen it in news bulletins, and newspapers | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
over the last ten years, but it was just up the pavement on the other | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
side, that is where Kate McCann walked up ten years ago to check on | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
the that win this department block and she discovered that Madeleine | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
missing. In a panorama on BBC One tonight, Richard Bilton will hear | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
from the Portuguese authorities who say they did not believe the | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
suspicions of the British police when the British police got involved | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
that this was a burglary gone wrong. Of course on the other side Scotland | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
Yard were investigating and continued to investigate other lines | :54:29. | :54:33. | |
as well. Investigating some deliberate abduction, whether there | :54:34. | :54:37. | |
was a paedophile network at work. We know is that four local men who were | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
questioned a of years ago as official subjects are no longer | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
suspects, so it seems there are no longer any official suspects. | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
Although police have said there is one significant critical line of | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
enquiry they say that they are pursuing right now. We are not | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
entirely sure what it is but it has been reported that it could be the | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
siting of a woman on this very corner. A middle-aged woman dressed | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
in purple, we have been told. We have also heard from a witness while | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
we have been here in Portugal over the last couple of days who has said | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
that as well as seeing a woman on this corner, she also saw a car | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
speeding on a road towards this apartment in the couple of hours | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
before Madelyn was seen to be missing. Still so many questions and | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
answers and found, unbecoming, and tonight the people of this immunity, | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
holiday-makers and experts will gather to remember not just | :55:31. | :55:39. | |
Madeleine McCann but a service for all of those children who have gone | :55:40. | :55:40. | |
missing over the world. We can speak now to Dr Graham Hill, | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
who advised Portuguese police when Madeleine McCann first | :55:46. | :55:47. | |
disappeared and wrote the review for the Home Office that led | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
to the opening of British police What are your reflections today on | :55:51. | :55:58. | |
that original investigation? I think looking back ten years on the | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
picture was very confusing, as it is with most crimes of this type. But | :56:02. | :56:09. | |
there was a definite sense of the British police response was not | :56:10. | :56:11. | |
particularly welcomed by the Portuguese, and I can understand | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
that, because it's quite difficult to go to someone else's jurisdiction | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
and give some advice about such a high-profile crime. What mistakes | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
were made in the very early days of the investigation, and how has that | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
impacted on what has happened subsequently? These are notoriously | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
difficult crimes to investigate, you have to do things correctly and in a | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
timely fashion, normally within the first 24 hours or 48 hours. If you | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
don't, then the investigation can get away with you, and I think that | :56:41. | :56:43. | |
is very clear that is what happened with this investigation. Certain | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
things weren't done in a timely fashion, and then you have to do | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
them in a very unusual sort of way. The classic example is that the | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
parents should have been eliminated from the investigation as early as | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
possible, not weeks afterwards. Statistics tell us always eliminate | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
close pivot of the child that has gone missing. Then you need to do | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
your investigation thoroughly, your house-to-house investigation, | :57:08. | :57:09. | |
because you never know what information you will be collecting | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
and how important that will be in the future. Classic example of that, | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
there are some research in America that says children that were | :57:17. | :57:19. | |
abducted and murdered within the first 24 hours those cases that were | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
sold, the suspect was actually spoken to by the investigation team. | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
So that tells you how important it is to do those things correctly | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
early. You wrote the review that led to British police opening their own | :57:32. | :57:33. | |
enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. It is still ongoing. | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
Metropolitan Police Service till investigating. ?11 million has been | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
spent up to now, is it worth continuing? Firstly when I read the | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
review, I never envisaged it would still be investigated six or seven | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
years on. What you have to understand is when I wrote the | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
review, the actual investigation was three and a half years old. And it | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
accrued lots of information, some of that hadn't been dealt with | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
correctly, that was very obvious. When it then went to the | :58:07. | :58:08. | |
Metropolitan Police Service to it was nearly four years old. So it is | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
no surprise that they have had to decode and selectively go through | :58:15. | :58:16. | |
all of that information, and then they have accrued a whole new lot of | :58:17. | :58:24. | |
investigation -- from the enquiry on going. So it is no surprise it is | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
still ongoing ten years later. On missing children cases like this, | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
across Europe, are they difficult to investigate? Massively, because they | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
are so rare and there is not a lot of experience across Europe in | :58:39. | :58:40. | |
dealing with these high-profile crimes. The other thing about it, | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
the child rescue alert system that is meant to help recover children | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
that have been abducted, that is very fragmented across Europe. It | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
doesn't work slickly, and there is a whole case for saying what have we | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
learned? If this happened again in 2017, would our response in the UK | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
and across Europe be any different? I'm not so sure it would be. The not | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
so sure we have learned the lessons. The thing is with these crimes, | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
sometimes they take years to get detecting, sometimes they are never | :59:11. | :59:12. | |
detected but the one thing we need to do is learn lessons from them so | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
they don't happen again, what at least when they do we are in a | :59:17. | :59:19. | |
better position to do with them. Thank you very much, Dr Graham Hill. | :59:20. | :59:24. | |
Still to come. The Eu's Chief Negotiator - | :59:25. | :59:27. | |
a man called Michel Barnier - will set out EU guidelines | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
for Brexit talks in We'll bring you what | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
he has to say live. The latest news and sport in a | :59:33. | :59:37. | |
second. Before that, the weather from Carol. It was chilly this | :59:38. | :59:42. | |
morning, not just in London, but across many other parts of the UK it | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
was as well. Especially so when we have a clear skies. Where we have | :59:47. | :59:51. | |
the clear skies is where we started off with some sunshine. The | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
temperatures are now rising quite rapidly. So we take a look at some | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
of our Weather Watchers pictures. This is a beauty from Grimsby, | :59:58. | :00:03. | |
lovely sunrise, lovely too this morning across Yorkshire. Some blue | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
skies. For most of us today will remain mainly dry. I say mainly | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
because there are some rain around was the bid has been raining and | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
still is across parts of Kent and other parts of south-east England as | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
well. On the satellite picture you can see where we have got the cloud, | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
now melting away but this is an area of cloud producing some rain. Not | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
particularly heavy but it is there nonetheless. It will increasingly | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
turn more patchy through the course of the day. You will also notice the | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
wind. It is picking up and it is a cold wind blowing this cloud further | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
westwards. It will be the far north-west of Wales for example by | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
the time we get into the afternoon that will be hanging onto the | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
sunshine. For the rest of Wales, the cloud will continue to build. Moving | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
across the Irish Sea into Northern Ireland, a chilly start. A beautiful | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
one with a lot of sunshine, which prevails through the afternoon. | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Highs of 15 or 16 Celsius. Across Scotland, he too a lot of sunshine, | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
yesterday in the West Highlands, they reached 21 Celsius, making it | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
the warmest day in Scotland of the year so far. Today's temper job | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
would be quite as I've stopped Northern England after a chilly | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
start, lots of sunshine for you and then we run into all this cloud | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
further south and east, thick enough to blog producing some patchy rain | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
showers. That extends over in the direction of the south-west of | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
England, nonetheless we will still see one or two brighter spells as we | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
go through the afternoon. Into the evening and overnight period, we | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
still have this keen wind, still a lot of cloud and some showers. Under | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
clear skies across Scotland and Northern Ireland, it is going to be | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
a cold night. The temperature will dip quite quickly after dark. Then | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
some of the sheltered glens, we could well see a touch of frost. | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
Tomorrow morning, that is why we'll see some sunshine for Scotland and | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
Northern Ireland. Still a noticeable wind, coming off a chilly North Sea. | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
If you are on that east coast will feel cold, even though there will be | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
sunshine around. There will be more cloud across southern parts of | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
England and Wales tomorrow but the wind will help break it up in | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
places. It is still thick enough to produce the odd shower. Temperatures | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
in the West about 14 to 16, still round about ten to 12 as we are in | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
the east. For Friday, a similar story. Still in the East we are | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
exposed to that wind so feeling cold, still quite a bit of cloud | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
around Southern counties, but elsewhere sunny skies, brighter | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
skies and highs up to about 15. Into the weekend, except for the risk of | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
some rain coming into the south-west, it does remain fairly | :02:29. | :02:28. | |
settled. It's Wednesday. It's just after | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
10am. The general election campaign | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
gets underway today. It means more of this. Strong and | :02:39. | :02:50. | |
stable leadership. Strong and stable Government. Strong and staip | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
leadership. Strong and stable Government. Strong and stable | :02:54. | :03:02. | |
leadership. That message isn't reaching everyone | :03:03. | :03:03. | |
though. Are you aware that there's | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
a general election in June? I'm not aware of any | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
thing that's going on. It doesn't matter whatever, | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
they'll still mess up the country like they have done anyway, | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
so it don't really matter to me. We'll be speaking to four | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
young people, three of which who have never voted, | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
one who can't remember We'll speak to some | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
of the men in this photo. The 14 are all students | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
at Cambridge University have got together to prove that young black | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
men can go to Cambridge. And claims that rules which limit | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
the amount of time people can spend on bail won't actually | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
make any difference. You feel like you've had a crime | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
done to you by the state and there Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
with a summary of today's news. The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, | :03:44. | :03:58. | |
has rejected suggestions that Britain will be forced to pay up | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
to ?100 million as a final The European Commission's chief | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
negotiator Michel Barnier will publish the EU's Brexit | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
negotiating guidelines this morning after a gathering of European | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
leaders at the weekend. Some reports suggest negotiators | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
have increased the size of the so-called divorce bill | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
which the EU will demand Today marks ten years | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
since the disappearance The BBC's Panorama programme has | :04:19. | :04:38. | |
learnt that Portuguese detectives never believed the main British | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
police theory that the toddler was She went missing from a holiday | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
apartment in Praia da Despite extensive international | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
open. A former Scotland Yard Commissioner | :04:56. | :04:56. | |
has said continuing the search for Madeleine was the right | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
thing to do. Ten years on, the picture was very | :04:59. | :05:13. | |
confusing as it is with most crimes of this type. But there was a | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
definite sense of the Britis policing response wasn't | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
particularly welcomed by the Portuguese. | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
Detectives have been given more time to question three young women | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
arrested on suspicion of terror offences. | :05:28. | :05:28. | |
The women, all teenagers, were detained in East London on Monday. | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
The operation was linked to a raid in north-west London last week, | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
during which another woman was shot and wounded by police. | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
Senior police officers and defence lawyers have criticised new rules | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
intended to reduce the amount of time people can be | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
Last month, a new 28-day limit on pre-charge bail was introduced | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
It followed criticism from people who were kept on bail for months | :05:49. | :05:57. | |
or even years during high-profile investigations into historical | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
This programme has been told the new time frame is unrealistic | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
We'll have more on this later in the hour. | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
The Sun newspaper says thousands of the new one | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
pound coins have cracked because of flaws | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
The coins, which came into circulation in March, | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
But the newspaper says it's seen evidence that the pound can be | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
warped and in some cases, the distinctive centre | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
The Turner Prize shortlist contains two people over 50. | :06:25. | :06:44. | |
One of Britain's leading black female artists, Lubaina Himid, | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
has become the oldest person to be nominated for British | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
art's most high-profile award, the Turner Prize. | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
At 62, Himid is eligible for the ?25,000 prize after it | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
Another black British artist, 52-year-old Hurvin Anderson, is also | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
The other two artists on the shortlist are | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
German-born Andrea Buttner and Londoner Rosalind Nashashibi. | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
The winner will be announced in December. | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am. | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
Cristiano Ronaldo became the first player to move past 50 goals | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
in the knock-out stages of the Champions League alone, | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
as he helped Real Madrid beat their city rivals Atletico 3-0 | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
in their semi-final first leg at the Bernabeu. | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
Ronaldo scored the winning penalty in last year's final between these | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
sides and he was once again Real's star last night. | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
His hat-trick means Real are still on for their third | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
Champions League title in four years. | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
There have been threats of legal action from athletes who could have | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
their world records taken away. World champion and world record | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
holder Colin Jackson says athletics authorities should | :07:50. | :07:51. | |
get their own house in order before removing records | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
from athletes like him. A controversial anti-doping | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
proposal could see those set Jackson held the 110 metre | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
hurdles world record for 13 years and his mark over | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
60-metres remains unbeaten. Look at your house today and make | :08:01. | :08:10. | |
sure your sport is in order. Eradicating records from the past | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
surely is not going to make any difference to the future in that | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
particular way. They have got to make sure that the doping situation | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
is in hand today. And that's all the sport for now, | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
Victoria. David Davis said the UK will not pay | :08:26. | :08:41. | |
a divorce bill of ?100 million when the UK leave the EU. The figure is | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
higher than previous estimates of around 60 billion euros. There are | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
claims the UK could be asked to contribute to farming payments after | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
leaving the Union. The EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier is setting | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
out his guidelines and we can hear from him right now. | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
The business community in each mother state and trade unions and | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
civil society and we will continue. Our hard work paid off, the result | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
of our collective work is what happened last Saturday, the 27 | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
leaders and president of the three institutions showing their unity by | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
agreeing on clear guidelines for the negotiation. Today the Commission | :09:30. | :09:38. | |
proposes the recommendation that translates these guidelines into | :09:39. | :09:48. | |
negotiating directives. In line with a two-phase approach, these | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
directives are for the first phase of the negotiations onliment our | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
recommendations shows where we want to land when we conclude the first | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
phase of negotiations. Notably on citizens rights, the final | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
settlement and the new external borders. I will pay great attention | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
to the situation in Ireland and I will go to Ireland next week. The UK | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
must put a great deal of energy and thought into these three issues over | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
the next weeks and months and that will increase the chances of | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
reaching a deal. Some have created the illusion that Brexit would have | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
no material I will pact on our lives or that negotiations can be | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
concluded quickly and painlessly. This is not the case. We need some | :10:52. | :11:00. | |
solutions. We need legal precision and this will take time. | :11:01. | :11:22. | |
How good is your French? I think we might just leave it there and maybe | :11:23. | :11:30. | |
Norman can translate because we'll talk to him next. But you got the | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
gist of that anyway. Tell us what would you draw from what would you | :11:36. | :11:45. | |
draw from what he said in sn He is one tough cookie saying anyone who | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
thinks this is going to be easy, it's going to be quick, think again. | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
He said, "Don't be under any illusions, there is going to have to | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
be a lot of change. There is going to have to be legal precision. This | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
is going to take time." What is he going to say about money? Because we | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
know there are suggestions that the EU could demand up to 1 billion | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
euros for us to leave the European Union. A huge bill which the Brexit | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
secretary David Davis has already said no way, we're not paying that. | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
Meanwhile, here in old London town, in the general election campaign, | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
money is also the issue with the Tories today going through what they | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
say are all the policies which senior Labour figures have listed so | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
far, totting them up and saying that money would cost ?65 billion, how | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
are you going to pay for it? They have looked at the taxes and say | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
Labour will change and say that will ropeble raise ?20 billion, | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
therefore, the poor old voter will face ?45 billion of extra taxes and | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
debt if Jeremy Corbyn becomes leader. It was the Chancellor, | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
Philip Hammond, who set out that claim today in a news conference | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
behind me. Have a listen to what he said. His economic policies are a | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
recipe for chaos, instability, uncertainty, and insecurity. Britain | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
simply cannot take the risk of Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
unleashing economic chaos on the country. Just when we need strong | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
and stable leadership for our economy and our country over the | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
crucial next five years, as we negotiate our exit from the EU, and | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
chart a new course in the years beyond, Jeremy Corbyn offers a kay | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
attic and high-risk gamble that would lead to higher taxes, more | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
borrowing and more debt. Just in case you didn't get the | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
message behind Mr Hammond, we can show you the poster which the Tories | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
are launching today. This tax bombshell poster which they say | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
ordinary families would face in taxes and debts if Jeremy Corbyn was | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
elected. That's the poster they want to stick in our minds, but let me | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
say, it is turning into a bit of a retro election because if you wind | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
back the clock, we have been here before. Let me remind you of 1992! | :14:10. | :14:16. | |
Do you remember that election when it was John Major versus Neil kin | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
OK, Norman Lamont and Chris Patten unveiling what looks like a very, | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
very similar poster! Now, how have Labour responded to | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
this charge? Well, frankly, they are furious because they are claiming | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
that a lot of the things which the Tories are saying are Labour Party | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
policy are not in fact Labour Party policy and John McDonnell this | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
morning accused the Tories of lying and of falsehoods. Have a listen. | :14:48. | :14:49. | |
A pack of lies. I don't know why the BBC | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
or the media are giving it I'll just give an example, | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
they've included ?35 billion worth of investment | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
money, capital expenditure. They don't seem to know | :15:05. | :15:05. | |
the difference between All you include in your day-to-day | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
spending on capital expenditure is the interest rates, | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
so it's completely ludicrous. Then they've invented figures | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
in terms of commitments that we've given, which we haven't, | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
and then where we have given commitments they haven't even | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
identified where we have already That is what has been happening on | :15:19. | :15:34. | |
the election campaign. Michel Barnier still on his feet. Let's | :15:35. | :15:42. | |
have a listen. Many organisations, we need to respond by being | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
transparent. This is why we are publishing today our recommendations | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
of the councils negotiation directly, we will be transparent | :15:53. | :15:59. | |
throughout the process. Transparency can help sustaining a constructive | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
public to -- constructive public debate. I think the EU should always | :16:06. | :16:15. | |
remain cool-headed and socially oriented. We should put all of our | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
efforts towards reaching a deal. This is the spirit in which I with | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
the trust of the institutions and Allman the States will continue | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
working. The EU 27 is on track to make sure that the UK's withdrawal | :16:34. | :16:43. | |
opens in an orderly fashion. That has now caused ten months of | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
uncertainty, the UK's decision to leave. We need to remove that. It is | :16:49. | :16:55. | |
high time to start negotiating, as soon as the UK is ready to come to | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
the table, we shall start negotiating. The clock is ticking. | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
And I am ready now to answer your questions. Before we start the | :17:07. | :17:16. | |
remarks, please keep whatever you consider technical for colleagues | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
who are here. Let's tried to cover different sensitivities, not to | :17:22. | :17:30. | |
repeat ourselves. It is not impossible we will be able to answer | :17:31. | :17:39. | |
technical questions as well. TRANSLATION: Good morning | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
Commissioner, two questions firstly on the financial settlement, I | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
understand your argument that there are commitments and projects that | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
are underway and should not be interrupted, but legally speaking, | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
what is the basis for this request? And then a second question on | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
dispute settlement, you are saying this will be taken care of by the | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
European court of justice. If I have understood correctly, as soon as the | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
UK leaves the union, they will no longer be represented by a judge in | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
the court. Do you think you will have to have a specific arrangement, | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
where you ask the UK to bow before the other 27 judges of the court? | :18:24. | :18:33. | |
Thank you. In response to your two points with Sabine and Stefanidi | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
will be able to return to the details of this matter in which I | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
have received and which I will apply with determination rigour. What we | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
have in the guidelines are all the commitments which have been entered | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
into between the UK and ourselves and vice versa. And there are of | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
course certain common undertakings which have been entered into | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
officially and legally for example in 2013 as to the beginning of the | :19:02. | :19:10. | |
budget period, we have a whole range of obligations. Apart from that | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
there are other obligations, these are the turkey. -- with regards to | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
Turkey. We then have the other things which we have covered, | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
macroeconomic assistance to countries such as Ukraine. This all | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
has to be tarted up. We have entered into rigorous and objective work, | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
which should be -- it will have to be totted up. I hear mention of | :19:44. | :19:56. | |
punishment for the Brexit bill, that is not the case. Commitments have to | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
be honoured. Those responsibilities have to be honoured. Imagine for one | :20:03. | :20:09. | |
moment what would happen were this not to happen? I want to reach an | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
agreement on behalf of the 27, and I said in front of the committee of | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
the region is what I see, we are trying to problems, we wish to | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
resolve problems. Michel Barnier, the Brussels top negotiator when it | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
comes to Britain's Brexit talks will stop was talking about Britain's | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
liabilities. Yes, don't be fooled by the diplomatic Suave demeanour of Mr | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
Barnier committee were saying basically bring it on. He says they | :20:44. | :20:52. | |
will tot up the sums, Britain has made common undertakings and there | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
will be an incontestable final amount which Britain will be | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
expected to pay. We did not get clarity on whether it was ?100 | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
billion, but Mr Ban a will be suggesting it is non-negotiable -- | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
Mr Barnier. That gives you a sense of his determination to drive a very | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
hard bargain indeed. Clearly somewhat impatient with the way this | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
has dragged on. He said we have had ten months of uncertainty, the clock | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
is ticking, in other words get on with it. He suggested it will be | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
difficult, Brexit would lead to material consequences for Britain, | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
and he also raised a question about whether Mrs May will be able to get | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
this deal signed, sealed and delivered within two years, saying | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
this can't be done quickly. Be in no doubt Michel Barnier is one tough | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
cookie and he will drive a hard, hard bargain. Yes, he said it is not | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
an exit bill, a punishment, it is just what Britain owes. So Brexit | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
will be a big deal for quite a few people when it comes to the | :21:54. | :22:02. | |
general election in the UK. But how much interest is there broadly in | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
this election? Only 66% of those registered to vote actually bother | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
to do so in the last election two years ago. The last general | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
election. That compares to 84% back in 1950. This morning we are | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
speaking to a group of people who simply don't vote. | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
Chelsea Stewart is a 30-year-old business owner. | :22:27. | :22:27. | |
Josie Cruse is 50, but she says she can't remember ever voting. | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
She's 38 and works for a local radio station and has never voted. | :22:32. | :22:40. | |
Mohamed Sangarie is 23, an accountant and a city trader. | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
He's not sure, but thinks he might have voted once. | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
Also here is Ade Onibada from Bite the Ballot which aims to get young | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
people engaged with politics so they can feel empowered | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
Tell us why you have never voted. My reason for not voting is quite | :22:51. | :23:06. | |
simple. If we are given the power to vote for someone to be in power, I | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
don't understand why we have now say after that. There is this big thing | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
put together in order to get us to vote, but my question after that is | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
what after that? What more power do I have after that? Well, you have | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
local council elections, but broadly speaking you have to wait for the | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
next general election. That's not good for you. That is not good | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
enough for me. I think there is too much say over myself as an | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
individual by people that they do not know, that I do not sit and | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
discuss anything with and who do not know me personally. And they | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
generalise how they are going to govern my life and I just don't | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
agree with that. I completely understand what your grievance is. I | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
know all of the arguments that people who don't vote have. It took | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
a process for me to feel differently about that. I definitely feel | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
politics is in need of shaking up and rebranding, as far as greater | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
accountability. Your MP does have surgery hours but a lot of people | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
don't know that. Once beat you have the opportunity to meet with them as | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
far as what you want to take up with them but I completely understand | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
where you are coming from, as far as not feeling like one person you see | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
once every four years, it is not good enough and I completely agree | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
with you there. Chelsea, what about you, never voted. No. I feel like I | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
don't have enough information to make a decision of that scale. To | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
bring it back down really basic, when I make a decision for my | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
company and my business, I do that based on, you know, facts, and | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
things that can be held accountable. I don't believe a lot of the white | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
noise thrown at me through media. You don't have any real control over | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
it. Everyone is trying to look great when they are fighting for their | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
job, everyone will say exactly what you want to hear. I just like the | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
agendas of the agendas. I am not going to make that much of a | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
difference. As I said, I don't have enough information. I didn't vote | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
for Brexit, because that is such a huge decision, and if I don't have | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
the right information, I don't want to have that responsibility. What | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
did you think of the outcome of the Brexit vote? I didn't think it would | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
happen, I didn't think it would be allowed, I just didn't think it | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
would ever happen. I understand why it happened. People want to change. | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
People are bored. What would you say the Chelsea? As far as not | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
understanding the value of your vote, I completely understand the | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
stop a lot of people think that my one vote won't make a difference. I | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
understand the value of it, and just because you have the right to | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
exercise something doesn't mean you always should. I have the right to | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
eat ten chocolate bars a day, I'm not going to because it is not | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
beneficial. I just think as well if I am going to make a decision that | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
big, I need to have all those facts. I think if you are going to give me | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
the responsibility to vote, you have the responsibility to give me the | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
information to make that informed decision. So you don't feel like MPs | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
are politicians give enough information? I am 30 now, but when I | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
was in school we didn't have that information so readily available. We | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
just weren't educated, it wasn't really important. Maybe if I had | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
heard that from a younger age I would have taken more of an interest | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
in it, I would understand it more. But a lot of the time it is fluff, | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
it is noise. Political literacy is what we are trying to push for. As | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
far as being change-makers or looking for solutions. You can't | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
expect someone to know the language, now the process. I think that is | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
part of it. Regular people like myself are excluded from these | :27:07. | :27:08. | |
things deliberately. They chuck a load of noise and fluff at you to | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
keep you exactly where they want you to be. I would love to be able to | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
say I will want to vote for Labour or Conservative, I would love to say | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
I believe in what they are going to do. I just don't. Don't you think in | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
you making that decision not to vote, you have basically delivered | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
what they want, if you feel like you are being deliberately excluded? I | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
have never said I would never vote. If there was a campaign that touched | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
on things that mean something to me, that can relate to me and my | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
situation, my family, my circles, my lifetime, I would jump on it, of | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
course I would. But you use hospitals to you, schools? Public | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
service is? I do. You run a business, so you pay income tax, | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
national insurance, I mean, these are all things that politicians are | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
talking about. Yes, and unfortunately they say one thing was | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
they are running for election and the complete other thing happens | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
when they are in. Josie and Mohamed, use share something in common new | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
thing you have voted once but you both can't remember. No, I am a bit | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
what has been said here, I am 50 years of age, so I have watched the | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
elections years ago and watched the campaigns, and I decided not to | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
bother, because I think they just lie, to be honest with you. We get a | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
lot of propaganda with it. I choose not to watch it. You think all | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
politicians lie? No, I don't know why that happens, but I just think | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
what we get fed, don't really understand what they are saying. I | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
don't think they always tell the truth with people. It doesn't follow | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
through. Things like with the VAT got decreased for a while and then | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
increased to a high level, and they said it would be put back down for | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
stuff that has stayed the same. So what gets said and what gets done | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
are two different things. I have a small business and it really affects | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
trying to run a business. I just feel what gets promised doesn't | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
happen. So for me, I don't choose to get involved with that. I fully | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
agree. I seem to always see the manifestos, and they never seem to, | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
like, they don't seem to fulfil what they say, what they say they are | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
going to do. So I have kind of lost faith. If you look at history, the | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
government and politicians or whoever, kings and queens, they have | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
never really cared for people, so it is for the people to wake up and | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
realise that these people don't care for you. That is kind of | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
self-explanatory. For me, if you look at history, there has aways | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
been this feud between the poor and the rich between the haves and | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
have-nots. You have to assess it and make your own judgment and see if | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
these people really care. Completely understanding everybody's reverence | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
is on what they have issues with. As far as where you go from promises to | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
what is delivered, that is where we talk about having points of greater | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
accountability, it happens when you vote, when you are part of the | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
process, when you are able to force things. If a party brings you a | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
manifesto that you don't like and if you are part of that party and you | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
say this isn't good enough, you have that voice to say that isn't good | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
enough. I just think point-blank saying that I am going to step aside | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
from this whole system or step back is not part of the solution. | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
Everyone here has an issue. But rather than talking about the | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
issues, then what are the solutions? Would it not be to educate the | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
younger generation about financial literacy... Yes, of course, | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
financial Tracy Porter and political literacy. Wie so why hasn't it been | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
done? So why hasn't it been done? It is part of their manifesto not to do | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
it. If you are not registered to vote and you don't vote, guess what? | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
You are invisible. If you don't do politics, politics will do you. | :31:14. | :31:22. | |
It is probably not the right attitude, we need someone to be | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
running the country. I feel there is a quite a few lies told. Do you care | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
if you're invisible? Yes, but I can't be part of something I don't | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
particularly believe in. Let me read some messages. Mark says, "I | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
despair. It is plain lazy and disrespectful not to vote." Go on, | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
you're laughing Chelsea. It amuses me. Why? It is not lazy in the | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
slightest. I have done research. I've looked into it. I think, you | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
know, you are saying about being invisible. I could vote, I will | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
still be invisible. Nothing is really going to change. | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
Kevin says, "I can't believe the ignorant people on your programme | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
this morning who don't vote." Stupid excuses they are, it won't | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
make a difference or not enough information. | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
Peter, "Non vote, are a disgrace. It should be compulsory." What do you | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
think of that idea? Being forced to vote? That's the reason I don't | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
vote. I have the right and I think people should take that very | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
seriously. Having the right to do or not to do. I think in this country | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
we have a problem with the right. We'll tell somebody they have the | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
right, but then if we're not following the crowd we're wrong. So | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
you say you're exercising a choice? I work for myself. So to not vote | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
doesn't make me lazy. I've exercised a choice the Have you contemplated | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
spoiling your ballot. That's a credible option. I get a lot of | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
people who say nobody on this ballot paper represents me. Nobody has | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
given me something to aspire to or something I want and I say well, | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
spoil your ballot paper and spoil it correctly. Explain how you spoil it | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
correctly? You have to put the X outside the box or you put the X | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
through the entire ballot paper, but what it does, I feel like it sends a | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
better message. A lot of people don't know that though. This is what | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
you do as far as campaigning. So it is just a great big cross like that. | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
How many people can do that? Well, we tell as many young people as we | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
can. That's the existence of Bite The Ballot. Is that something that | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
would appeal to you or not? People are entitled to their opinion, but | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
my opinion stands where it is. Until they shake the system up and shake | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
up our information, carry out promises then I'm going to... | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
Whonchts is going to do the shaking? The people with the money, isn't it? | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
So if you assume that the people with the money are going to do the | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
shaking for you, buff explained they are happy to keep you in the | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
position that you're in... Look at history. It has never been done so | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
what makes you think it will happen in our generation or our time? What | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
makes you think that will be successful? I'm happy that I work | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
with an organisation that's committed to shaking. It starts with | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
individuals like myself who say I'm to the going to sit on the sidelines | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
and be upset with how things are working. Things aren't working in my | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
favour, I'm seeing people receipting me that don't represent me, I don't | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
like the language in Westminster. I don't like politics is so far | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
removed from me. From when you are a business owner and you use services, | :34:56. | :35:03. | |
I wouldn't say voting should be manttry, but being on the voting | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
register should be. Everybody should be registered to vote. Thank you. | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
Good luck with your businesses. Thank you. | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
On the day the election was announced, we took two people | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
who don't really care about politics to parliament for the day. | :35:21. | :35:22. | |
I mean, do you feel Parliament represents you or do you feel | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
it's something that's there as sort of...? | :35:26. | :35:27. | |
I think, I suppose no, we don't really feel it does | :35:28. | :35:29. | |
represent us because we don't understand how it works. | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
That's the thing, you don't learn about politics at school. | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
I personally think maybe people should. | :35:39. | :35:45. | |
We have a peculiar way of speaking to each other | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
Which is I don't refer to you, I refer to the honourable, | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
or Right Honourable lady, which would be you, or member. | :35:56. | :35:57. | |
The reason for that is I speak to you in the third person | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
because it's very difficult to be personally abusive, although some | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
And you can watch that full film - MP For A Day: | :36:04. | :36:11. | |
Who Cares About Politics on the BBC iPlayer page. | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
We've also posted a link on Twitter and Facebook. | :36:14. | :36:21. | |
And we'll be on the road over the next couple of weeks travelling | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
to different corners of the UK to see what you - the voters - | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
Before election day itself we'll be in the Scottish borders | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
But we kick things off next week in Cornwall. | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
So if you live in or know those places then get in touch | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
to give us a better sense of what issues matter to you. | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
We want your suggestions of places to visit and people to talk to. | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
We will speak to the students in this photo. New rules intended to | :36:46. | :36:56. | |
re-Tuesday the amount of time people could be spent on police bail could | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
make things worse. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :36:59. | :37:05. | |
with a summary of today's news. The EU's chief Brexit negotiator, | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
Michel Barnier, has warned that reaching an agreement with the UK | :37:09. | :37:10. | |
over its departure Speaking as he published the EU's | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
plans for the two years of talks, Mr Barnier said Britain should be | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
under no illusion about the process and would have to pay | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
for commitments it has made Some have created the illusion that | :37:21. | :37:37. | |
Brexit would have no material impact on our lives or that negotiations | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
can be concluded quickly and painlessly. This is not the case. | :37:44. | :37:51. | |
Today marks ten years since the disappearance | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
of Madeleine McCann, The BBC's Panorama programme has | :37:54. | :37:55. | |
learnt that Portuguese detectives never believed the main British | :37:56. | :37:57. | |
police theory that the toddler was taken during a burglary gone wrong. | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
The three-year-old went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
Despite extensive international inquiries, no firm leads have been | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
found and the investigations remain open. | :38:07. | :38:13. | |
The Sun newspaper says thousands of the new one | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
pound coins have cracked, because of flaws | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
The coins which came into circulation in March | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
But the newspaper says it has seen evidence that the pound can be | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
warped and in some cases, the distinctive centre | :38:27. | :38:28. | |
That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC | :38:29. | :38:37. | |
Last night was another evening on which Cristiano Ronaldo wowed | :38:38. | :38:50. | |
He scored a hat-trick in Real Madrid's 3-0 | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
Champions League semi final first leg win over city rivals Atletico | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
and stay on course to win the trophy for the third time in four years. | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
Colin Jackson believes his entire career will be tarnished | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
if proposals to scrap athletics world records set before | :39:03. | :39:04. | |
The European Athletics Taskforce thinks erasing records set | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
from before doping samples were retained, could help | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
After appearing at three Olympic Games, the 11-time British javelin | :39:10. | :39:18. | |
Champion Goldie Sayers has announced her retirement | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
She's still waiting to find out if she'll be awarded bronze | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
for the Beijing Games where the athlete ahead of her | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
And world number one Andy Murray says he expects Maria Sharapova | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
to be given wildcard entry into this year's Wimbledon qualifiers. | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
Former champion Sharapova recently returned to competition | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
That's all the sport for now. I will have more in Newsroom Live after | :39:37. | :39:44. | |
11am. "Young black men don't grow up | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
thinking they'll make it here. That was the intended message behind | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
this photo of 14 black male students They got together to | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
pose because in 2015 - of the 3,400 new undergraduates | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
accepted into the university - 23 black women were | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
accepted that year. We can speak now | :40:01. | :40:12. | |
to some of them now. Jimi Babasola is 20, | :40:13. | :40:23. | |
and is an international He studies theology, | :40:24. | :40:25. | |
religion and philosophy. And in our Cambridge | :40:26. | :40:33. | |
studio is Ore Ogunbiyi She's 19 and is currently | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
President of the university's Whose idea was it? I got in touch | :40:38. | :40:48. | |
with the committee. We pulled together a few guys that we knew and | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
I got the ra and I said, "Let's make it happen." Tell us more? I came to | :40:55. | :41:07. | |
the UK for A-levels and diversity. And the message you want to send | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
from this photo? To encourage young black men to believe that they can | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
come here. There is this image basically that they may have about | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
what the average or the typical Cambridge student is like and they | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
feel they won't fit in here. We want to get the message out that they | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
will and there is a place for them here. Peter, what do you think the | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
stereotypical image of a came bridge under graduate is? That's a very | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
good question. Often not people who look like us. I think the archetypal | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
image of a Cambridge student is typically someone who is maybe | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
Caucasian and doesn't come from backgrounds like us so it is | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
important we challenge the stereotypes because perception is | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
key. What is your background, Peter, if you don't mind me asking? I grew | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
up in East Londonment my parents are from Nigeria and that's about it | :42:06. | :42:07. | |
really. Right. What's your experience been like at Cambridge? | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
My experience has been quite interesting. It has been quite | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
interesting. In terms of this issue specifically I feel that there are a | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
lot of initiatives that are being done so we've got the likes of the | :42:19. | :42:26. | |
ACS and the fly network and the race equality which are trying to balance | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
out the under representations of people like myself being at the | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
institution, but my experience has been quite interesting so far. | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
Jimmy, in terms of you wanting to get this message out there, I mean, | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
this photo has been shared, I don't know how many times. So it's | :42:44. | :42:53. | |
working. Yeah. Yes, it is. And it is really important to stress it to | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
everyone. Everyone has the potential to get here should not think they | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
don't have the opportunity because they do and that's the big problem | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
we are having with young people. But you have got to put some work in? | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
Yes, yes, definitely. You must be delighted with the way this has been | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
shared around the world? Yeah, definitely, certainly. It's | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
unprecedented. I don't think we thought we would get this amount of | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
responses. It has been crazy, but we have to obviously, the point is that | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
the university can do all these amazing things, but if we are not | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
encouraging people out there to apply, we won't change the numbers | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
and the message was to empower and we can inspire young black people | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
there and encourage them that Cambridge is within their reach and | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
we have been really proud to have been part of this. Thank you very | :43:43. | :43:44. | |
much for talking to us. Cambridge University have told us | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
in a statement, "We aim to widen participation whilst maintaining | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
high academic standards. We will continue to work hard | :43:54. | :43:54. | |
with all parties to raise aspirations and attainment | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
to improve access The banking giant JP Morgan has | :43:58. | :43:58. | |
announced plans to move hundreds of its London-based bankers out | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
of the UK into other parts of the EU With me is BBC Business | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
Presenter Vishala Sri-Pathma. Tell us more? They are deciding to | :44:10. | :44:24. | |
move hundreds of jobs from their London based banks to their European | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
offices. These are existing office they have in Dublin, Frankfurt, and | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
also Luxembourg. So they're not actually opening more offices in | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
Europe, but they are relocating the balance from London. They are going | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
to do that as soon as we leave the single market here in Britainment | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
they think it is the best way to ensure services are going to be | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
smooth for their clients after we leave. OK. So they are not going to | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
wait for Britain to come up with a trade deal with the other 27 EU | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
nations. They are just taking that decision? That's right. It is not | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
hugely surprising, the boss of JP Morgan did say that he might be | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
relocating up to 4,000 jobs after Brexit. He didn't confirm whether it | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
was going to be more or less in January. It has been a long time | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
coming. We had Deutsche Bank saying last week they would move 4,000 | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
because of Brexit. That's quite a considerable amount and Barclays as | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
well have said they are going to activate their back-up plan in the | :45:24. | :45:25. | |
next six months as well. Thank you very much. | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
Next to the US town of Huntingdon, in the state of West Virginia, | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
where the rate of people dying from drug overdoses is more than ten | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
The local authorities say the city and surrounding county | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
are in the grip of a heroin epidemic, with more than 1 in 10 | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
residents thought to suffer from addiction to prescription | :45:46. | :45:46. | |
drugs, heroin and stronger opioid drugs. | :45:47. | :45:54. | |
They pin the cause of the epidemic on prescription painkillers, | :45:55. | :45:56. | |
which were freely available until recently. | :45:57. | :45:58. | |
They claim that when there was a clamp-down on the pills, | :45:59. | :46:00. | |
Now they're taking legal action against the companies they allege | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
brought addiction to Huntington by the oversupply of | :46:05. | :46:06. | |
Meanwhile, Huntington's emergency services are stretched thin dealing | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
with at times around five overdoses a day. | :46:13. | :46:14. | |
A warning -- this film by our video journalists Tom Bateman | :46:15. | :46:16. | |
and Howard Johnson contains distressing images from | :46:17. | :46:18. | |
the very beginning - it lasts around eight mins. | :46:19. | :46:29. | |
the very beginning - it lasts around four mins. | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
Steve Williams, Mayor of the City of Huntington, West Virginia. | :46:33. | :47:10. | |
Huntington is a town of just under 50,000 people, | :47:11. | :47:13. | |
Yet over a five-year period, just a five-year period, | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
there was over 40 million doses of opiates that were distributed | :47:17. | :47:18. | |
Most of our call-outs now are for drugs. | :47:19. | :47:45. | |
They probably make up somewhere around a third of our calls. | :47:46. | :47:47. | |
Fires, generally, are about 15% to 10% of our calls, | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
of a middle-aged male in a local grocery store. | :47:51. | :48:14. | |
He's been reported 911 and we're currently there now. | :48:15. | :48:23. | |
It's been a while since you've done it? | :48:24. | :48:36. | |
Done it, or you been doing it for a while? | :48:37. | :48:38. | |
Go ahead, stand up here, we're going to stand up | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
Can I just ask you, did you start on opioids first | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
Uh, just, I was, I was on pain pills, and actually I've been | :48:49. | :48:57. | |
I would just as soon be able to hear from these companies that say, | :48:58. | :49:06. | |
we'll come in and we'll partner with you to be able to fight | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
this addiction rather than spend their time saying, | :49:10. | :49:11. | |
it's not our fault, we're just a business. | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
When I was in the investment business, if I was giving advice | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
to somebody that caused harm to them, I would lose my | :49:21. | :49:22. | |
career, lose my licence, and possibly have to pay money. | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
And there's plenty of harm that we can point to all around. | :49:27. | :49:54. | |
The drugs epidemic in the US state of west Virginia. | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
People kept on police bail for months, or even years, | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
say it left them feeling suicidal and unable to move | :50:02. | :50:03. | |
New rules mean people can now only be kept on bail for 28 days but this | :50:04. | :50:10. | |
programme has heard from senior police officers and defence lawyers | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
that in reality it won't change the length of time people | :50:14. | :50:21. | |
are investigated for - and may even be counterproductive. | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
The Police Federation of England | :50:25. | :50:25. | |
is simply unrealistic for complex investigations. | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
We played you our reporter John Owen's full film earlier - | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
Pre-charge bail is a police power that allows a suspect to be | :50:32. | :50:46. | |
released from custody whilst a crime is investigated. | :50:47. | :50:48. | |
With an obligation to return for further questioning, | :50:49. | :50:49. | |
Thousands of people spend time on pre-charge bail every year. | :50:50. | :50:58. | |
Some spend many months under police scrutiny before even | :50:59. | :51:00. | |
A few weeks ago, new restrictions came into effect designed to reduce | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
the length of time that suspects spend under investigation. | :51:05. | :51:11. | |
The new rules say that the length of time a person can be kept | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
on pre-charge bail will be limited to an initial 28 days, | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
but that a senior police officer can extend a person's bail time up | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
After that, a magistrate can grant further extensions. | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
But as the new rules come into effect, this programme has | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
heard concerns that it won't address the problem they are | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
These new rules don't do anything to ensure that investigations | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
in general are going to be resolved more swiftly. | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
Under the old rules would be bailed and given a date | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
Now, that might be an illusory date, but at least there is something | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
for that person to see the police are working to words. | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
There isn't going to be any sort of framework like that | :51:47. | :51:48. | |
for what is likely to be the majority of people released | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
from the police station still under investigation but prior to charge. | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
And I fear that what we are going to find is that investigations | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
overall will actually take longer to resolve than they did | :51:58. | :51:59. | |
As well as concerns from senior police officers | :52:00. | :52:10. | |
We have a police service that is on its knees. | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
28 days just simply is not realistic. | :52:15. | :52:20. | |
David Prince spent two years under police investigation | :52:21. | :52:22. | |
after being caught up in a complex fraud case. | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
He was unaware of any proceedings against him until ?31,000 | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
suddenly disappeared from his business account. | :52:29. | :52:30. | |
As the investigation progressed, he had almost 50 items of personal | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
property confiscated, and the police throws | :52:34. | :52:35. | |
He describes the psychological pressure of spending time | :52:36. | :52:43. | |
I'd sold everything that I owned of any value. | :52:44. | :52:49. | |
A lot of the depression kicked in after I was arrested | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
And so a few months after that, I attempted to commit suicide, | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
and for another twice after that I attempted to commit | :53:00. | :53:01. | |
You attempted suicide on three occasions? | :53:02. | :53:14. | |
You must have been in a very dark place. | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
Having your whole life turned upside down, everything | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
taken away from you, your business taken away from you, | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
your personal accounts taken away from you. | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
You feel like you've had a crime done to you by the state. | :53:29. | :53:37. | |
Let's talk now to former Met Police Chief Superintendent, Dal Babu - | :53:38. | :53:40. | |
he says the Home Office is simplifying the bail process | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
Also David Prince, who you saw in that film who spent two years | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
on police bail and says he became suicidal as a result | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
of the stress and financial ruin that the investigation brought him. | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
Also here is criminal lawyer Nick Barnard - | :53:56. | :53:57. | |
he's encouraged by the cap and says if police investigations | :53:58. | :53:59. | |
were quick enough, the change wouldn't have been needed. | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
Mr Ban at, as a criminal solicitor you are encouraged by this reform? I | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
think it is a start, it is not a silver bullet. Resources need to | :54:07. | :54:08. | |
progress along with attitudes along with it but it is good that the law | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
is recognised that a good place to start addressing it is that the | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
police station. You talked eloquently about the impact | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
physically and mentally. Tell us about the damage to your repetition | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
that prolonged bailed it to you. I worked in quite a small industry so | :54:29. | :54:31. | |
word had got around about the industry and about the case. So I | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
found businesses I had traditionally dealt with and certainly was in | :54:38. | :54:42. | |
negotiations with longer took my call is all returned my calls. So I | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
found my marketplace that I had worked so hard to get, I had no | :54:48. | :54:58. | |
access to any more. Tamme one, what reform tonne difference will this | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
make -- Dal Babu, what difference will dismay? Very little in my view. | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
The average case is 56 days. I think it is a knee jerk reaction from some | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
of the high profile cases, where individuals have been on sale for a | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
long time. -- been on bail. The reality of the situation is pleased | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
that have gone down by 20,000. We are having a system where they are | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
expecting police to complete this to patients in 28 days. I'm not sure | :55:29. | :55:36. | |
they are expecting that, what has changed is this bail bit. An | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
investigation can go on for as long as it goes on for, is that fair? | :55:40. | :55:47. | |
That's right. So in practical terms will it make that much difference | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
the suspects? If you were given the choice to having to say to a | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
customer, and a player, a new partner, yes, I was arrested and I | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
am still on Bale, 30 years, was interviewed but released without | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
condition and the investigation is ongoing, I think the latter is | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
preferable. Do you agree, David? I do. My main concern with the whole | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
process is I was arrested so early on in the process, I think the | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
police should have done more work prior to the arrest. In a way it | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
puts the onus on the police to work harder to get correct information. | :56:30. | :56:36. | |
20,000 less police officers in the last seven years. The reality is | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
forensically sources have been reduced. It is not realistic. I | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
think the difficulty is if you are on Bale, at least you know you are | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
on Bale. There are checks and balances. If you don't know you are | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
on bail, then in some ways you don't actually know what is happening. My | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
concern is it is a knee jerk reaction, the government over simple | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
fight it. I have not met a single police officer who said this is a | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
good idea. You have an National Chief police council, the Police | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
Federation, and I think your clip that you showed really emphasised | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
that they all agree it is not going to be a good idea. As a get out of | :57:15. | :57:23. | |
jail card for the government, effectively we are back to where we | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
are, and then if necessary magistrates can extend it beyond | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
that. It is a poorly thought out programme. They have not really | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
understood the consequences of people who actually are in the | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
business. People in the business say it will not work. Is it going to | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
work? One final point about the safety of people as well. Sometimes | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
you arrest the vote you keep them on Bale. The danger is that you can't | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
those people, those restrictions. They might disappear but they might | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
actually go and attack individuals as well. If there is evidence that | :57:56. | :58:04. | |
suspects are member is of the public, they can still be on Bale. | :58:05. | :58:11. | |
-- on bail. And the suggestion that currently people who are on Bale are | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
somehow better informed than people who are not, think the word used in | :58:16. | :58:21. | |
the clip was that bail boots are illusory. Thank you for the thanks | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
for all of you coming on the programme. Thank you for your | :58:25. | :58:26. | |
company today. Have a good day. Come on, come on, come on, | :58:27. | :58:33. | |
come on, come on! The challenges are about to get | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
a lot tougher. Our nine best cooks | :58:39. | :58:40. | |
all fighting it out because one of them is going | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
to be our champion. | :58:46. | :58:49. |