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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
Caitlyn Jenner is the most famous transgender person in the world. | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
She is also an Olympic gold medal winner, reality TV star from | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
Keeping Up With The Kardashians, and she is with us this morning | :00:24. | :00:25. | |
to talk about her life and what she says is her time now, | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
Get in touch with us if there is anything | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
That's what Donald Trump thinks of James Comey, | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
who was head of the FBI until the president sacked him. | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
In his first interview since the sacking Mr Trump insisted | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
he was not under investigation and that the probe into alleged | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
Russian meddling in the US election was a "charade". | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
You know that, I know that, everybody knows that. | :00:54. | :01:03. | |
You take a look at the FBI a year ago. | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
It was in virtual turmoil, less than a year ago. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
We'll show you more of that interview later in the programme. | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
Swords, axes and air guns, just some of the weapons seized | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
from children in schools across the country. | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
Police chiefs are warning that there has been a worrying rise | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
in the number of young people carrying knives. | :01:25. | :01:37. | |
Caitlyn Jenner is with us this morning. | :01:38. | :01:47. | |
Is there anything you'd like to ask her about her life, | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
We are also talking about the rise in the number of children carrying | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
knives, as police seize thousands of them from schools. | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
If you have school age kids, are you worried for them? | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
If you're getting in touch, use #VictoriaLIVE and text, | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
Donald Trump has been defending his decision to sack | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
In his first extensive television interview | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
since he sacked James Comey, he told the American network NBC | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
News that the former FBI boss was a showboat and a grandstander | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
and reiterated that he wasn't under investigation himself. | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
Our Washington Correspondent Laura Bicker reports. | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
When did Donald Trump decide to sack the towering figure from the FBI? | :02:30. | :02:38. | |
This presidential handshake not an act of friendship, it seems, | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
but the beginning of the end for James Comey. | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
He's a showboater, he's a grandstander. | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
It wasn't on advice from the Deputy Attorney-General, | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
as the White House stated, it came directly from the President. | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
The White House claims that James Comey had little or no | :02:54. | :03:08. | |
The rank and file of the FBI had lost confidence in their director. | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
Not so, said the Acting FBI Director, who was sitting | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
in for his sacked boss before the Senate intelligence committee. | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
Director Comey enjoyed broad support within the FBI, and still does. | :03:20. | :03:32. | |
At the heart of this row is the alleged collusion between | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
The President admits that Russia was on his mind | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
you know, this Russia thing, with Trump and Russia, | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
it's a made-up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
Donald Trump denies any collusion with Russia and insists that, | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
despite sacking the head of the FBI, he wants any enquiry done | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
Now to the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest | :04:03. | :04:14. | |
The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, will this morning give | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
Mr Corbyn will insist he isn't a pacifist and he's prepared to use | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
He will also pledge a "robust", independent foreign policy and says | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
there will be "no hand holding" with US President Donald Trump | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
Brazil has declared an end to a national emergency over | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
the Zika virus after the number of cases dropped 95% | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
between January and April, compared to the same period | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
The virus has been linked to microcephaly where babies are born | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
The threat was at its peak as Brazil prepared to host the 2016 Olympics, | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
and the Zika virus has been linked to severe birth defects | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
Detectives investigating the death of a businessman, | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
who was shot dead during a suspected burglary at his home in Dorset, | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
Police say a 45-year-old man from Poole is being questioned | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
on suspicion of conspiracy to commit aggravated burglary. | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
Three men have been charged with murdering Guy Hedger | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
during the May Day Bank Holiday weekend. | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
A Mexican businesswoman who was known for successfully | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
investigating the kidnap and murder of her daughter by a local | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
drug cartel has been killed by armed intruders. | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Miriam Rodriguez Martinez headed a local association of 600 | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
families who were searching for their disappeared relatives, | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
and the information she gave the police ensured some gang | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
The UN mission in Mexico condemned the attack. | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
Thousands of weapons have been seized in schools | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
They include swords, axes and air-guns. | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
Some of the cases involved children as young as five. | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
Police chiefs said there had been a "worrying" increase in young | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
Some schools have taken to using metal arches to make sure | :06:02. | :06:11. | |
no weapons are brought on to their premises. | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
But figures obtained by the Press Association show | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
that the number of seizures in the last year is up about 20% | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
32 out of 43 police forces in England and Wales responded | :06:20. | :06:28. | |
to Freedom of Information requests about weapons found in schools. | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
The figures showed that 2,579 weapons were found in the two | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
Among them were samurai swords, axes and air guns. | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
At least 47 children were below the age of ten, | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
and one five-year-old was caught with a knife. | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
Just one stab wound, that went straight in his heart. | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
The National Police Chiefs Council said the increase in young people | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
It said it wanted to educate people that carrying a weapon illegally | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
We'll have more on that story at 10:15am. | :07:05. | :07:15. | |
We will speak to several people who work to deal with the issue with | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
children in schools. Proposals to ban parents | :07:20. | :07:48. | |
in Scotland from smacking their children have been put out | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
for public consultation. The move is ahead of a proposed | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
member's bill put forward by Highlands and Islands Green MSP | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
John Finnie in the Scottish Parliament which aims | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
to give children equal The consultation will | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
run until 4th August. In England, Wales and Northern | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
Ireland there is no ban on smacking and parents are allowed | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
to use "reasonable chastisement". However, hitting a child so hard | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
that it leaves a mark, or causes bruising, swelling, cuts, | :08:15. | :08:16. | |
grazes or scratches could result Under Scottish law, | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
parents can claim a defence of "justifiable assault" | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
when punishing their child. The United States says it | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
will consider its own interests first, as it reviews | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
its climate change policy. The US secretary of state, | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
Rex Tillerson, told a meeting of the eight nations with land | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
in the Arctic, which has been meeting in Alaska, | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
that America would not rush to make a decision, but would take | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
their views into account. It comes as President Donald Trump | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
said he may pull the US out of the Paris Accord because he has | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
doubts over the human A London firm which makes virtual | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
reality games has had a massive boost, a ?400 million investment | :08:51. | :09:07. | |
from a Japanese bank. It's one of the largest ever | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
investments in a British The business, called Improbable, | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
was only set up five years ago. I think it is a big vote | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
of confidence in the talent pool that we have here | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
and in the potential for this country to produce | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
world leading technology, and if we are able to enter that | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
category that would be a great ambition for us, | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
and something I would be very One of the UK's oldest | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
swimming baths will reopen for its first public swim in 24 | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
years this weekend. It's part of a fundraising mission | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
to reopen the Edwardian Victoria The pool first opened in 1906 | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
but the council closed the baths in 1993 because of budget | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
pressures. That's a summary of | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
the latest BBC News. Caitlyn Jenner is live | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
in our studio from quarter past. If you've a question | :09:50. | :09:58. | |
you'd like to ask her, or an experience you'd like to share | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
with her, do get in touch with us Use #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
you will be charged Let's get some sport now with Tim, | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
and Manchester United are through to the Europa League | :10:12. | :10:20. | |
final in a couple of weeks, Yes. I am looking forward to that | :10:21. | :10:30. | |
chat. It was a nail-biter at Old Trafford last night, united | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
squeezing through 2-1 on aggregate in the 96th minute. Sell the vehicle | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
had a great chance to is that it on away goals but it is Mourinho's men | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
who will travel to stock on for the final. This goal proved crucial. A | :10:47. | :10:54. | |
brilliant pass from Rushyford to set him up. United looked through but | :10:55. | :11:06. | |
this got Vigo level. United through after six minutes of injury time. | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
Really upsetting, tears for Vigo, Dominic but celebrations for United. | :11:14. | :11:23. | |
I am pleased for the final. Their league finishes on Sunday and they | :11:24. | :11:31. | |
will have 12 days to prepare. Hopefully Crystal Palace does not | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
need the last game. Because in the last game I am going to make a lot | :11:38. | :11:44. | |
of changes. A busy end to the season for Mourinho but one of his former | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
side Chelsea can relax tonight if the win at West Brom. If they do the | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
Premier League title will head back to Stamford Bridge. Not many were | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
predicting that at the start of the season but they are seven points | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
clear with three games remaining. Tickets are going for nearly ?2000. | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
Chelsea fans they did is happening tonight. It could be the first part | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
of a really special season. They are also into the FA Cup final against | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
Arsenal later this month. They beat Tottenham in the semifinal at | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
Wembley in April. The manager loved it. He will love it tonight if they | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
can win. It is the league title that is the first priority and to win | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
that alone would be impressive because it is his first season in | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
English football and only three other managers have won the title in | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
their first season. Fielding practice for a BBC Nottingham | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
commentator. This was fantastic. Durham beat Nottinghamshire by four | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
wickets in the One-Day Cup but it was a huge six from England opener | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
Alex Hales that stole the headlines. He got the Mack sixes in total | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
during an innings of 104. In this one he found the only open window in | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
the Trent Bridge media centre and the ball was picked up by one of the | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
two commentators from the BBC covering the match. That is how it | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
looked. Here is how it sounded. Alex Hales hits this towards me. It is | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
coming towards me! It has come to me. I have got it! How about that? | :13:33. | :13:44. | |
I love it. No swearing at all. Very clean. | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
Olympic gold medal winning decathlete, reality TV star, | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
and over the last two years she's become the most famous transgender | :13:56. | :13:57. | |
Caitlyn Jenner changed her name and transitioned fully to living | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
She's written a book about her own experience | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
of being transgender and how it took her a lifetime to finally | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
How exciting to be in town. How are you? Great. It has been a long road | :14:11. | :14:22. | |
to say the least. I have to admit that after all these years I am | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
probably in the best place I have ever been in my life. I am happiest, | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
most content, people are surprised, my life is so much simpler now. You | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
wake up in the morning and you can be yourself. It is nice. How | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
important is it for you to tell your story? Really important. Every | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
journey is different. If I have learned one thing over the past two | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
years, because two years ago I came out, and I had never met another | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
person who was trans. I did not know anything about the community. In the | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
two years Ireland that every story is different. They put me as a | :15:06. | :15:13. | |
spokesperson for the trans community. I am a spokesperson for | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
my story. Every time I'd tell my story either to my children or | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
friends or to God it is like taking thousands of pounds of weight off of | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
my shoulders. It is freeing and I feel good after it because I do not | :15:29. | :15:30. | |
have to lie to that person anymore. I worked on the book. It was a | :15:31. | :15:44. | |
lifetime in the making. But two years, almost 8000 pages of secrets, | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
memoirs, of experiences I've been through that my family didn't even | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
know. When you struggle with this, you struggle with it in the shadows. | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
I didn't want to be in the shadows any more. I wanted my entire family | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
and the public to know my story. Did you keep meticulous notes? In my | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
head. I'm good at remembering things. I sat down with Buzz and we | :16:10. | :16:25. | |
had a great time writing it. We will on the bestsellers list. I grew up | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
as a poor little dyslexic kit. I am sure my high school English teacher, | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
if she is still around, but probably not, is rolling over in their graves | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
saying, wait a minute, I'm a New York Times bestselling author, that | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
is amazing to me. It was the final chapter that I needed to tell to the | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
public. To tell my story honestly. What was your first memory of not | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
being comfortable as Bruce? At a very young age. I see that picture | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
on the monitor over there. I was looking at it. I'm thinking, wait, | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
there I was, about 18 months old. Maybe that collar was the problem. I | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
keep looking for answers. What was it? Maybe I really liked it. I don't | :17:14. | :17:21. | |
know what it is. When you deal with something like this you deal with it | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
your entire life. It is just how you deal with it. Every person does it | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
differently. Some can identify at a very young age. I did. But when I | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
was growing up in the 50s and 60s, there isn't even a name for it. The | :17:38. | :17:45. | |
only thing you had was a big tabloid thing about a man from Holland, who | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
had surgery done, but I could not identify with that. You point out in | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
the book that the first time the term was used was in 1974. When you | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
were born it wasn't even a term. Yes. I didn't know what it was. I | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
just knew I was different. I found sports. That is a place where I | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
could hide, or could be my distraction. I was good at it. I | :18:17. | :18:29. | |
didn't have any gender issues, I could go out on the football field. | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
That was it. That was at my high school. It was a way for me to cope | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
with myself. To prove my masculinity. Never knowing how far I | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
would go with it. I went a long way with it. I remember the day after | :18:46. | :18:53. | |
the Games. I was in a hotel room in Montreal, I didn't have a strip of | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
clothes on, I had the medal on the bathroom counter. I put it on. I | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
looked in the mirror. And I thought, what have I just done? Because as I | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
looked in the mirror I knew it wasn't me. But I built this | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
character up so big, so masculine, that I am stuck with him for the | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
rest of my life. And it was kind of scary. Did you feel you were | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
trapping yourself? In a lot of ways I was. I note that character so big. | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
I loved playing Bruce. Bruce was a good person. He raised a tremendous | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
family, did a lot of good things. I'm very proud of what I was able to | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
accomplish that way. But I got to the age of 65, after struggling with | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
these issues for so many years. And I was right back where I was | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
starting from. In Malibu, where I was living, me and Kris had gone our | :19:54. | :20:02. | |
separate ways, I raised my wonderful children. I'm still dealing with the | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
same issues I had when I was five. I thought what on earth am I going to | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
do with my life? After long conversations with Lord, with my | :20:11. | :20:17. | |
pastor, with all of my children, I thought, you know what? In God's | :20:18. | :20:25. | |
dies, how does he see how I am doing? And I thought, finally, maybe | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
this is the reason he put me on this earth. -- in God's eyes. I couldn't | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
do it in the 80s when I was really struggling. I couldn't do it. I said | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
maybe I can come forward, number one, live my life honestly, but also | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
in doing that, in having a platform, maybe I can bring some understanding | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
to the world on this issue. And it was very fulfilling. That is what I | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
have been doing for the last couple of years. Take us back to the little | :20:58. | :21:07. | |
boy Bruce, and the first time you... Cross dressed? Yes. That is going | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
way back. I didn't know what I was fascinated by my sister or my mum's | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
closets. I remember going in, fascinated by all of this stuff. But | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
what age? Just getting some clothes. My hair was short, because we are | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
talking the late 1950s. I put a scarf over my head, threw on some | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
lipstick, got into one of my mum's outfits, whatever it was. I went out | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
of the house, we lived in an apartment complex, I walked around | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
it, and little did I know that would be something I would do until I was | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
65 years old. I didn't know why I felt so comfortable in doing that. | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
It felt like me. But it was also the great taboo. I couldn't tell | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
anybody. That set up the pattern. And when you go through something | :22:09. | :22:16. | |
like this, always wonder why is it the excitement of it, is that what | :22:17. | :22:24. | |
it is all about? Am I really trans? Am I a cross dresser? Is this a | :22:25. | :22:32. | |
sexual thing? And I came to the point of realising that this is me, | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
this is who I really am. What was the first conversation you really | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
had with anybody about it? Probably my first ex-wife. After we had been | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
married for a while I said I had some issues. These are the things | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
going through my head. And that was the first time you spoke to anybody? | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
Yes. I couldn't speak to my sister, my family. I think I just saw a | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
picture of you with your family, you were very close. Yes, I am very | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
close with my sister. Even as I went on with Linda, my second marriage, | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
we were only married for four years, I had two wonderful children. I was | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
really struggling at that time during the 1980s. Really, really | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
struggling. We went our separate directions. Then for the next six | :23:19. | :23:26. | |
years, I just dropped out of life. I lived in my house, by myself, I | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
didn't go out, I didn't do anything, I went out to work once in a while. | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
I became a hermit. Secluded. I didn't feel like I fit in anywhere, | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
I did not fit in with the guys, I did not fit in with the girls. That | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
first conversation, when you had to put into words how you were feeling, | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
and the fact you had been in private, just talk us through what | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
you were doing and the fear of somebody actually finding out, | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
potentially, because obviously you were actually going out... That was | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
good, I was good, I never got caught, I am proud of that. After | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
many years of struggling, when Kris and I met, I had been on hormones | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
the years, I had a couple of little things done, because I thought I was | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
going to do this before I was 40. You had taken the decision, hadn't | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
you? Yes, I'm all in, I got started, I was in therapy for five years, | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
preparing for this. I got to 39 and I couldn't go any further. 1989. I | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
just couldn't go any further. How far had you gone? You had the | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
electrolysis. Yes, things like that. You were growing breasts? Yeah, all | :24:46. | :24:54. | |
that kind of stuff. Why did you feel at that point you couldn't go any | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
further? It wasn't time. That's the simple answer. It just wasn't time. | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
Why not? Because of society, because of everything. The only person who | :25:05. | :25:18. | |
had been out there as trans was Renee Richards. At that time I was | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
trying to play on the women's circuit. It wasn't in society. It | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
wasn't accepted. Many years later, after Kris and I had been together | :25:30. | :25:36. | |
for 23 years. We've raised a beautiful family. Wonderful, smart, | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
intelligent, hard-working kids. Really did a great job. Then there I | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
was back in Malibu. The Times had changed at that point. We had other | :25:46. | :25:53. | |
trans people before me. Transparent came out. Laverne Cox from other | :25:54. | :26:03. | |
trans activists out there, who were great, intelligent, articulate | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
women. I thought myself, maybe it is time for me to add my voice to that | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
conversation. Maybe I can make a difference too. So I finally had the | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
courage to get through it. It has been wonderful. As you have | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
described, it has been stopped start throughout your life. Throughout my | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
life. I never thought I would be here living my authentic self. | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
Really? I never thought I would have the guts. I was getting destroyed in | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
the tabloids for years and years. As life went on the stakes got higher. | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
Of course. Because your fame just grew. The reality thing, as well. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
Absolutely. I did not do it for me. I did it for my children. To give | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
them a platform. In opportunity. They have grabbed onto it done | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
extremely well. Yeah... Again, I built this character, I built it up | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
and built it up, then there I was kind of stuck with it. Effectively | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
you sort of found yourself in that by accident. I know when you met | :27:11. | :27:20. | |
Kris she was introduced to you as a mum from Beverly Hills. Exactly. I | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
was honest with her. Did I downplay it? My conditions? Absolutely, I'm | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
sure I did at the time. Because I had been through six years of hell | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
and I was coming back. And he decided he wouldn't do it. And at | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
that point you invested in the marriage. I invested in the | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
marriage. More children. For the next 20 years I had kids around all | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
over town, I was a good parent, I loved it. It never leaves you, who | :27:51. | :27:59. | |
you are. At 1.I said those were distractions that I had. Boy, did I | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
get in trouble with the kids. They could not believe they were just a | :28:06. | :28:16. | |
distraction. -- at one point I said those were distractions. I had to | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
reword it, because they were not really distractions. But I'm sure | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
they knew. How did they know? There was a picture of me, my face on a | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
woman's body, that is what they saw in the tabloids. When do you think | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
they first had an inkling? Well, one time... You know how technology will | :28:41. | :28:48. | |
get you, Kylie, I think it was Kylie or Kendal, one of them had been | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
stealing clothes from the other. Being the sneaky sister they turned | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
on their computer, put that security alert on, so if there was any | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
movement in the room the security would go. And you even know it was | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
going off. Then they would come home. Everybody was gone for six | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
hours, so I had my time to be myself. Kylie had a full length | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
mirror. I took a look at what I had on and I walked back out. Two hours | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
later I hear this screaming from the other room. And I thought, oh no, I | :29:25. | :29:32. | |
got caught, technology got me on this one. Everybody brushed it off. | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
Did they realise, did they speak to you about it? No. Everybody stayed | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
quiet. We didn't speak about it, about two, three years before I came | :29:45. | :29:51. | |
out. Besides my sister who knew, a couple of people knew, a long time | :29:52. | :30:00. | |
before, was Kimberly. Kimberly, who is wonderful, she is always very | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
nosy, she wants to know everything that is going on. She came up to me | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
one day. She had moved out. Had her own house. She said, what the hell | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
is going on with you? At that point I thought, it is time to start | :30:16. | :30:18. | |
talking. Be open. Because everybody knew something was up. I said, I'll | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
come over to your house, we will sit down and talk and I talked about the | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
operations and all of the things I dealt with. She was great talking | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
about it. But for the next two years, we never brought the subject | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
up again. Every time you confess in somebody, pour your soul into it, I | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
thought, finally I can talk to somebody in the family. But we never | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
did again. It always bothered me. I thought, does she think I'm crazy? | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
This and that. Until a couple of years later, we were discussing it. | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
I said, you know that hurt me that you never, I brought it up that | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
time, and you never talked about it again, you never called to ask how I | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
was doing. She said, you know what, I just didn't know if I should. I | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
thought, it's been a secret for so long, maybe I should continue to | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
keep it a secret. I thought, OK, I get that, I understand that, I can | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
see why, she has been a great ally, a great friend. Through all of this. | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
Everybody doesn't quite know how to handle it. The book is called The | :31:24. | :31:32. | |
Secrets Of My Life. We will take a pause for the news, but we will be | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
back with you. There is a very moving scene in the book where you | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
are clearing out your closet later and she comes along and wants to go | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
through it with you. So many moving things and moments in my life. Lots | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
more to talk about. Do stay with us. We will be back to you. We love your | :31:50. | :31:57. | |
experience -- we would love your experiences, and we will put them to | :31:58. | :31:58. | |
Caitlyn. The US president has defended his | :31:59. | :32:19. | |
decision to sack James Comey. He was investigating possible collusion | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
between the Trump campaign officials and Moscow. Mr Trump insisted he is | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
not under investigation by the FBI over alleged links with Russia. | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will insist he isn't a pacifist and he's prepared to use | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
military force as a last resort in a major speech on | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
The Labour leader will also pledge a "robust", independent | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
foreign policy and says there will be "no hand holding" | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
with US President Donald Trump if he's Prime Minister. | :32:50. | :32:59. | |
Brazil has declared an end to a national emergency over | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
the Zika virus after the number of cases dropped 95% | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
between January and April, compared to the same period | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
The virus has been linked to microcephaly where babies are born | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
The threat was at its peak as Brazil prepared to host the 2016 Olympics, | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
and the Zika virus has been linked to severe birth defects | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
Detectives investigating the death of a businessman, | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
who was shot dead during a suspected burglary at his home in Dorset, | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
Police say a 45-year-old man from Poole is being questioned | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
on suspicion of conspiracy to commit aggravated burglary. | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
Three men have been charged with murdering Guy Hedger | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
during the May Day Bank Holiday weekend. | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
Thousands of weapons have been seized in schools | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
Figures provided by 32 police forces to the Press Association show that, | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
in the last two years, more than 2,500 weapons had | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
Police chiefs said there had been a "worrying" increase in young | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
people carrying knives including swords, axes and air-guns. | :34:00. | :34:00. | |
We will have more on that at 10:15am when we speak to people who deal | :34:01. | :34:07. | |
with the issue with children in schools. | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
A Mexican businesswoman who was known for successfully | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
investigating the kidnap and murder of her daughter by a local | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
drug cartel has been killed by armed intruders. | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
Miriam Rodriguez Martinez headed a local association of 600 | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
families who were searching for their disappeared relatives, | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
and the information she gave the police ensured some gang | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
The UN mission in Mexico condemned the attack. | :34:27. | :34:34. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho says winning | :34:38. | :34:48. | |
the Europa League would be the "perfect end" | :34:49. | :34:50. | |
United drew 1-1 with Celta Vigo at Old Trafford last night meaning | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
they're into the final 2-1 on aggregate. | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
Victory in Stockholm against Ajax would see them qualify | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
Chelsea can win the Premier League title tonight. | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
A win at West Brom would give them an unassailable ten point lead over | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
Victory would make Antonio Conte only the fourth manager to win | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
the Premier League in his first season in England. | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
Andy Murray says he's "concerned" after his latest defeat | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
He was knocked out of the Madrid Open in straight | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
sets by Borna Coric, a player ranked 58 places below him. | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
And Masters champion Sergio Garcia hit the shot of the day | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
at the Players Championship at Sawgrass. | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
He hit a hole in one on the 17th hole. | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
But he finished the day six shots behind the leader on 1-over par. | :35:40. | :35:59. | |
You were talking about Kim who asked to two years before you came out | :36:00. | :36:06. | |
what was going on. Sometime later you were out your closet. It was a | :36:07. | :36:13. | |
conversation you had and you did not talk about it for some time | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
afterwards. She came to you when you were clearing out Bruce's clothes. | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
Yes. That was... I knew when her father passed away that she had kept | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
some of the clothes because I remember moving those clothes from | :36:29. | :36:35. | |
one storage area to the next. For me it was kind of tough because first | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
of all I did not think it would be difficult clearing out my closet. I | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
wanted to clean out my closet and bring in fresh stuff all my life but | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
when I got there to clear out the closet it was like, I am throwing | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
away this person who has been part of me all these years. The clothes | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
kind of symbolised a lot of that, and Kim wanted to have some of the | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
clothes that she could distribute within the family, anybody who might | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
wanted, and surprisingly a lot of the kids did want the stuff. It was | :37:07. | :37:17. | |
kind of tough on me. To do that. Those were the milestones. The next | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
was getting name and gender marker change. All the way to, I was born | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
in the state of New York, there are 31 states you cannot change your | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
birth certificate gender marker. Fortunately in New York you could | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
and so I was able to get everything changed all the way back to my birth | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
certificate. I remember when all of that was going on it was almost like | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
you were throwing this person under the bus. He was kind of gone, and | :37:46. | :37:52. | |
honestly I liked Bruce, he was a good person. You felt that. I felt | :37:53. | :38:00. | |
that and the family felt it. How are the leash and ships now? You talked | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
about there being a void with some of the kids. Yes. Relationship is | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
different. I have a lot of kids. In some cases it has got a lot better | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
and in other cases for now it has made little death and. Who has got | :38:16. | :38:22. | |
better with? I would rather not put names or labels on that. A lot of | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
the kids I have gotten closer to. Other ones have struggled more with | :38:29. | :38:36. | |
it. Why? They are facing a loss in the family, loss of Bruce. What I | :38:37. | :38:44. | |
have tried to say to my kids as you did not lose old Bruce, you got me. | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
I am a better person today than Bruce ever was. More understanding, | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
more giving, bigger heart, more comfortable with yourself, happier | :38:54. | :39:01. | |
than Bruce ever was, plus I do not have any secrets with you. I am not | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
hiding anything. I am totally open and that is a wonderful feeling to | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
be in your life, and that is what the book is all about, getting to | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
that point in life. Everybody has staff, things they have to deal with | :39:16. | :39:24. | |
the life that are tough. This is my stuff and the book is about how I | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
dealt with it in all those years in good reason badly then getting to | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
the point where I can live my life honestly. That is a hard transition | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
to make. In the book you say that a couple of the kids asked if they can | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
still call you dad. Do they? Yes. I will always be their dad. Do they | :39:43. | :39:50. | |
all call you dad? It's kind of gets tough dad for that is tough on them, | :39:51. | :39:57. | |
but I am not going to hung up on that. I am there father and have | :39:58. | :40:04. | |
been their father all their life. In the trans community they fight about | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
getting the pronouns right. I am probably more lax than most people | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
because I didn't later in life, I got more baggage, more kids. I am | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
very open with them. If they mess up the mess up. I have messed up in the | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
last two years. We have a question which refers to that. Does anyone | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
ever accidentally referred to you as he or Bruce? How does that make you | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
feel? Of course. Within the trans community that is a no, get it | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
right, I am not that strict. The other day I was at Starbucks and I | :40:42. | :40:49. | |
was walking out and this guy comes walking up, because I take about 30, | :40:50. | :40:59. | |
40, 50 selfies everyday with people, and he actually said, Bruce, can I | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
have the picture? Obviously he messed up. Nobody has called me that | :41:04. | :41:09. | |
in a while. At first I backed up a little bit. I thought that is kind | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
of strange. On the other hand this is kind of the way I feel. Probably | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
95% of the people that come up and say something have never met anybody | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
who is trans. They do not understand the subject. They do not know | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
anything about it. They think we are kind of crazy people on the fringe | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
of society. We are not. We are an integral part of society. I have met | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
some of the most wonderful great smart intelligent people in my | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
community. It is great. When I have something like that I am not going | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
to be confrontational. I said, great, I took the picture and I | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
never mentioned it and moved on. I want that first and maybe only | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
impression of somebody who is trans to be something positive and good. | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
What are the ways you think improvements can be made? We look at | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
the Trump administration, you voted for President Trump. I did! He has | :42:12. | :42:18. | |
withdrawn a piece of federal guidance which allowed students to | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
use whatever bathrooms or changing rooms match the gender they | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
identified with. OK with. I have always been on the Republican side | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
because they are more conservative than my thinking. I am not into | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
massive government. I think the people of her country make the | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
country strong, not the government. The Republicans have been more on | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
that side than the Democrats although they have obviously | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
disappointed me lately. Trump was our candidate so obviously I am | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
going to vote that week but I am not a big supporter of the Republican | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
party or of Donald Trump. I am a big supporter of my community. That is | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
what I am fighting for. Does that make you regret voting for him, what | :43:08. | :43:13. | |
he has done? It does not make me regret my vote but it is very | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
disappointing. I have been very verbal about that. I thought Trump | :43:17. | :43:23. | |
would be better on these issues. Why? Because I talked to him. What | :43:24. | :43:37. | |
conversations did you have? He spoke about the LGBT community and he | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
spoke about a woman who he was in support of and he said that she was | :43:44. | :43:53. | |
totally welcome. He hires a lot of gay people in the LGBT community. I | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
thought he could make some changes. He came in and I think he has | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
probably been influenced a lot by a lot of the people around him not to | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
take away any of his responsibility, because he is the president, he | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
eventually signed that, but Barack Obama had put into place something | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
when the North Carolina bathroom issue came in and hear is indeed | :44:20. | :44:28. | |
that which upset me. I do go back to Washington, DC and I talked to | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
people. Do his actions undermine what he said to you and therefore | :44:32. | :44:38. | |
your faith in him? There is other things... No. For my community, I | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
have to keep a close eye on the sky, yes, but other things he has done, | :44:44. | :44:51. | |
since I am conservative,... Will you have more conversations with him | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
about... Make it easier to do business rates in our country | :44:57. | :44:59. | |
instead of the highest tax rate in the world. Would you try to have | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
more conversations with him about the LGBT community? I will. How? Do | :45:04. | :45:13. | |
you want to be there. My loyalties with my community. Can you pick up | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
the phone to him and have a conversation? I cannot tell you all | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
of my secrets! Can I? I do have communication. I work very closely | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
with a group called the American Unity fund whose mission statement | :45:31. | :45:39. | |
is to help the Republican party do a better job when it comes to LGBT | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
issues. They do a wonderful job. They are on the ground all day long | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
and now where the bodies are buried in the Republican Party and I worked | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
very closely to change the thinking of the Republican Party. I think the | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
best thing the Republican Party can do is do a better job with LGBT | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
issues. Would you go into politics? I have | :45:59. | :46:13. | |
been asked back. I do contribute. As far as my issue, in issues where I | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
have dealing with the Republican party, I could do a better job | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
behind the scenes. I have been asked that question a bit. Over the next | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
year I'm looking into it, to be honest. I have to be smart about | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
this. Where can I do a better job for my community? In bringing the | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
Republican party around all LGBT issues. Is it from the outside? | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
Working in the perimeter? Working with everybody to get the | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
Republicans to change their thinking? Or is it better off to | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
begin the inside? Running the Congress, a Senate seat, wherever it | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
may be, and doing it there? Those are the things I am evaluating. When | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
I did mention that a couple of weeks ago on a show, the next thing you | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
know, of course, the media, I'm running for president, OK? That's | :47:05. | :47:11. | |
cleared up. Could you see yourself ever running for president? I was | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
starting about maybe the Mayor of Malibu. And work my way through the | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
political ranks. Start somewhere. Would you, sort of, say now that | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
that is potentially a goal for you, running one day? Not so much a goal. | :47:29. | :47:36. | |
My goal is to do a better job for my community. I had to figure out where | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
that is. Where can I be to do a better job, to bring understanding | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
to the LGBT community, especially the T portion of that. Rosie has | :47:48. | :47:55. | |
tweeted a question. What would you say to people who look to you as a | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
trans-role model and want to go through it? You know what... I read | :47:59. | :48:06. | |
this report over the last couple of years. The amount of trans people | :48:07. | :48:20. | |
have doubled. And I'm going, Oh! The entrance is very, very difficult. It | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
is a personal decision, what you do. Have I brought a little bit more | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
understanding, besides the people that went before me, did I bring | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
more understanding and maybe show some courage, and how good it is to | :48:36. | :48:43. | |
be able to live your authentic self, and because of that has it inspired | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
other people? Yes, it has. Honestly, people come up to me almost on a | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
daily basis and tell me that. But it is a personal decision. For anybody. | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
It is a major decision. We have such issues in our community. The murder | :49:01. | :49:10. | |
rate for trans people. Nine since the beginning of the year, already | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
this year, 12-macro weeks ago in Miami. Mostly on trans women of | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
colour. That is where a real problem is. -- there was one, that was two | :49:21. | :49:31. | |
weeks ago in Miami. Major, major issues we have out there. We have to | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
solve those problems. Make people feel good about who they are. Being | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
trans-is part of humanity. It does not have borders. -- being trans-, | :49:42. | :49:51. | |
it is part of humanity. Being people, it is who we are, it has | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
been around forever. It is nothing new. Maybe in the last 30 years it | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
has come forward a bit more, but it is nothing new. It has been around | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
forever. I don't want to be responsible for people going through | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
this. Because when you transition it isn't just you. It is the entire | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
family. Every loved one you have. It is a huge, major, major decision in | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
your life. But I would also like to show that if that is what you do, | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
that you are going to make it, it is going to be OK. And hopefully | :50:27. | :50:29. | |
society will accept you and your family will accept you. I am | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
admiring your necklace. Tell us the story of that. Right after the | :50:36. | :50:54. | |
awards were over, the ESPIES, the head of it gave it to me and we've | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
been friends ever since. When you go to bed, what is the last thing you | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
think about that night? You told me earlier in the interview that you | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
did not think you would ever get to this. I had lost enthusiasm for | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
life. Back in the old days when I was training. I wasn't making any | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
money. I was living on a poverty level, $10,000 per year, training, | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
but I would get up every day and I was so excited to get started, I had | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
training to do, competitions coming up. And I thought myself, when I was | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
on my long runs, I never want to lose enthusiasm for life. I always | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
wanted to wake up excited for the day. I lost that. I lost that for | :51:39. | :51:46. | |
many, many, many years. Now I have that enthusiasm for life back. I | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
could live my life authentically. I can put my head on the pillow at | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
night. I know that I have had a good day. I am in a position where I can | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
make a difference. I'm playing the fourth quarter of life. What a great | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
opportunity in life, to be able to play the last quarter of your life | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
with a very, in a lot of ways, with a very marginalised community that | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
is out there which is totally misunderstood. It changed people's | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
lives. Going around the US, going around the world, present yourself | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
in a way, in a very positive way, that can make a difference. Are you | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
scared of anything any more? No, what I've been through, I can handle | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
anything, yes. Great to meet you. Thank you for coming in. Thank you | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
for having me. I am glad you enjoyed the book. It is funny, isn't it? As | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
well as dark moments. We must show the humour in this. Thanks very | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
much. If you would like to see the full interview again, it will be on | :52:48. | :52:48. | |
the web page. Those were the words | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
President Donald Trump used to describe the former FBI | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
Chief James Comey, Mr Comey was leading an inquiry | :52:56. | :52:57. | |
into alleged Russian meddling in the US election and possible | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
collusion between Trump campaign Mr Trump has dismissed | :53:02. | :53:03. | |
the probe as a "charade", a claim directly contradicted | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
by Mr Comey's successor. The FBI's new acting leader | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
contradicted the president's account that the FBI had been in turmoil | :53:09. | :53:10. | |
before he fired Comey. Donald Trump gave his first | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
interview since the sacking to NBC. We talk about that interview - | :53:14. | :53:15. | |
and more - with Blanquita Cullum a Republican journalist | :53:16. | :53:25. | |
and broadcaster, Margie Omero, a Democratic pollster | :53:26. | :53:26. | |
and strategist, and here in the studio with us | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
is Alana Horowitz who's the assignment editor | :53:29. | :53:30. | |
at the Huffington Post. Thank you all very much. Alana, the | :53:31. | :53:42. | |
first, sorry finding my way through the studio to you. It has been quite | :53:43. | :53:48. | |
a week, hasn't it? James Comey got the letter when he was addressing | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
members of his team. How do things stand now finally with Donald Trump | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
speaking about what he did it and how he sees James Comey. Quite | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
chaotic. There have been mixed messages all week from the White | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
House. They have placed the blame on the decision. It was said that while | :54:05. | :54:12. | |
Donald Trump was working from a recommendation he got. Then he said | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
it was his decision and that he was going to do it anyway. People are | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
confused about where this decision is coming from. What is behind it. | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
Americans are concerned about it. How about you? You are a Republican. | :54:23. | :54:46. | |
I thought it was an opinion piece. Unlike what you did, and I enjoyed | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
your interview, by the way, the difference was you allowed a | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
discussion. What they did, what happened with Lester Holt, is, first | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
of all, it was, kind of,'. It was edited. It was cut. -- it was, kind | :54:59. | :55:11. | |
of, edited. Instead of going to a commercial and coming back and | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
continuing with the interview, they went to a White House correspondent | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
who played a lot of excerpts of opinions from people. Away from the | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
style of the interview. When President Trump comes out and says | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
what he said about the former head of the FBI, how do you see that? Do | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
you think he has done the right thing? Do you have some sympathy | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
with James Comey? The difference I have is I was said it confirmed. I | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
had to go through a Senate confirmation. When you were at that | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
level you understand that you serve at the pleasure of the president. | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
The president can fire you any day of the week for any reason. James | :55:51. | :55:57. | |
Comey was different. I know other directors of the FBI. There was | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
Louis Freeh, Sessions, others that have been in place, and they were | :56:03. | :56:10. | |
fired. Sessions was let go. What James Comey did which was | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
different... Sorry to interrupt you, because I would like to bring in | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
Margie who is Democrat. How do you see the sacking? It is embarrassing. | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
The first explanation, they have an aftermath after the firing, it | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
wasn't credible, it wasn't believable. Over the course of the | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
week we have got to a point where there is a believable scenario, | :56:36. | :56:37. | |
which is the president simply did not want him there any more because | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
of the investigations into Russia. That is more believable than a | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
Deputy Attorney General saying, I have a recommendation everybody | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
asked for come here it is, let's go. That wasn't believable. The answer | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
is better. The answer is worse. The answer may be believable, but it is | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
something which is so incredibly inappropriate. Yes, he is allowed to | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
fire the FBI director, that does not mean he should have done it in this | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
case for this reason. Trump's poll numbers were already taking a hit. A | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
new poll came out yesterday and it showed that Trump has a record low | :57:16. | :57:22. | |
approval rating. We will see what happens. There has been no news this | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
week. This is the only thing which has been in the political news this | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
week. Very different respective there, Alana. Undermining what we | :57:30. | :57:37. | |
already knew, Trump has divided America. Polarising in the way | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
people will look at this. Definitely. If we have learnt | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
anything from Trump, he really garners very strong opinions. People | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
love him and people hate him. Right now it seems like he is turning in | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
the direction of disapproval. Just because of the disapproval ratings | :57:57. | :58:04. | |
and what is going on. I think we will see if the Russian | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
investigation affects his polls. How dependent is it on who comes in to | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
replace James Comey? I think that is part of it. With the FBI | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
investigation. I think the White House will probably avoid, as much | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
as they possibly can, trying to, at least, give the appearance they are | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
interfering in it. The don't forget, the FBI was responsible for just one | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
investigation. The Congress and Senate are also investigating it. | :58:35. | :58:42. | |
And they are pretty determined on seeing it through, particularly the | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
Democrats. Right, I think we are going to catch up with the weather. | :58:47. | :58:52. | |
Good morning. Farmers and gardeners will be happy with the forecast. | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
There has been a dry spell across much of the UK. Some areas have had | :58:56. | :59:04. | |
18 days without rain. But that changed last night. And there is | :59:05. | :59:09. | |
more rain to come. It is coming from the south. It has been a wet start | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
for many. Particularly for Wales and West of East Anglia. In its wake | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
there will be brighter skies by nasty thunderstorms for Wales, the | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
Midlands and East Anglia. They could drift into northern England. For | :59:25. | :59:31. | |
parts of Scotland, another sunny and warm one. 21 is possible in the | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
Highlands. That will change. Outbreaks of rain for Scotland, | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
Northern Ireland, West Wales and Northern Ireland. It'll be a mild | :59:40. | :59:41. | |
and muggy night. Especially across Scotland. A great start to Saturday | :59:42. | :59:47. | |
here. Outbreaks of rain in the morning for Scotland, Northern | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
Ireland and northern England. The further east, the brighter the | :59:52. | :59:55. | |
skies. There are showers around. Mainly light. Mainly passing through | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
with the breeze. Lots of sunshine to the south-east coast. Temperatures | :59:59. | :00:06. | |
between 14 to 19 degrees, and not as humid as it has been. There will be | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
a spell of overnight rain pushing off into the North Sea coming into | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
Sunday. But then sunshine and showers for the day. Those showers | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
in the north-west could be heavy and thundery. A full forecast on the | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
website. Enjoy your weekend. Caitlyn Jenner tells this programme | :00:22. | :00:31. | |
how she's now living as her "true self" after her transition to living | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
as a woman. As Bruce she won an Olympic gold | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
medal, raised ten children and became a reality TV star | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
in Keeping up with the Kardashians. She's been telling us | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
about her struggle. I just dropped out of life. I love | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
that my house by myself. I did not quite. I did not do anything. I went | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
out to work every once in a while. I became like a hermit. I did not feel | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
like I fit in anywhere. We've a special report | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
from Baltimore in the United States, where murder rates, especially those | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
of young black men, have been It's like you feel you're teaching | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
in some disenfranchised country that there's this war going on out there, | :01:12. | :01:23. | |
it's like this war that's being waged against our | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
young people, especially It's 20 years since we last won | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
the Eurovision song contest, so what are our chances | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
this time round? Will UK hopeful Lucie Jones | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
lead us to victory? I don't care what I have to do. | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
You're the one that I'm running to # Now to the BBC Newsroom | :01:44. | :02:03. | |
with a summary of today's news. US President Donald Trump has | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
defended his decision to fire former FBI director | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
James Comey, who he called In an interview with NBC News, | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
the president said it was his decision alone to sack Mr Comey, | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
who was leading an inquiry into alleged Russian interference | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
in the US election and possible collusion between Trump campaign | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
officials and Moscow. Mr Trump also insisted he is not | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
under investigation by the FBI over Jeremy Corbyn will insist he isn't | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
a pacifist and he's prepared to use military force as a last resort | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
in a major speech on The Labour leader will also pledge | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
a "robust", independent foreign policy and says | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
there will be "no hand holding" with US President Donald Trump | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
if he's Prime Minister. Brazil has declared an end | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
to a national emergency over the Zika virus after the number | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
of cases dropped 95% between January and April, | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
compared to the same period The virus has been linked to | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
microcephaly where babies are born The threat was at its peak as Brazil | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
prepared to host the 2016 Olympics, and the Zika virus has been linked | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
to severe birth defects Detectives investigating | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
the death of a businessman, who was shot dead during a suspected | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
burglary at his home in Dorset, Police say a 45-year-old man | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
from Poole is being questioned on suspicion of conspiracy | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
to commit aggravated burglary. Three men have been charged | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
with murdering Guy Hedger during the May Day Bank Holiday | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
weekend. Thousands of weapons have | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
been seized in schools Figures provided by 32 police forces | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
to the Press Association show that, in the last two years, | :03:44. | :03:51. | |
more than 2,500 weapons had Police chiefs said there had been | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
a "worrying" increase in young people carrying knives including | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
swords, axes and air-guns. A Mexican businesswoman | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
who was known for successfully investigating the kidnap and murder | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
of her daughter by a local drug cartel has been | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
killed by armed intruders. Miriam Rodriguez Martinez headed | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
a local association of 600 families who were searching | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
for their disappeared relatives, and the information she gave | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
the police ensured some gang The UN mission in Mexico | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
condemned the attack. An untitled Harry Potter prequel, | :04:23. | :04:30. | |
which was handwritten on a postcard by JK Rowling, | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
has been stolen in a The 800-word manuscript, | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
which was written for a charity auction and sold for ?25,000, | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
was stolen along with jewellery This is the Orange County | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
Sheriff's Department. Be advised, State Parks is asking us | :04:45. | :05:16. | |
to make an announcement to let you know you are paddle-boarding | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
next to approximately 15 They are advising that you exit | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
the water in a calm manner. The sharks are as close | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
as the surf line. A woman was bitten in the area at | :05:27. | :05:35. | |
the end of April. How quickly would they have moved? Quite incredible. | :05:36. | :05:43. | |
That made us stop and focus. Can you imagine? You have been getting in | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
touch on the conversation of Caitlin. Jane says it is great to | :05:50. | :05:57. | |
see you on the programme, a beautiful person inside and out. | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
Someone else says we think you are very brave, thank you for making it | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
real. Mark says it is fascinating to hear Caitlyn talks candidly about | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
what it was like to keep her secret so long. Also KT says she is a | :06:13. | :06:20. | |
transgender women aged 64 who only began transitioning three years ago. | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
She says I have had for Catholics support but sadly many transgender | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
Biba do not have the happy transition -- the fantastic support. | :06:31. | :06:38. | |
A difficult life long journey but telling us that in her 60s she is | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
the person she was all is meant to be and she is very happy for it. The | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
interview is on the web page. Also your comments are always welcome. | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
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Leave the water calmly with 15 great white sharks, I think not! | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
Manchester United fans hoping to watch their side take on Ajax | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
in the Europa League Final in Stockholm on May | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
24th will have a tough task getting tickets. | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
That's because, while the Friends Arena in Stockholm has | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
a capacity of 50,000, United have been told they'll get | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
fewer than 10,000 tickets for their supporters. | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
Well, here's how they secured their place in that final last night. | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
United were a goal up from the first leg and a fantastic header | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
from Marouane Fellaini doubled their lead. | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
But Facundo Roncaglia nodded Vigo level with a few minutes remaining | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
before he and Eric Bailly were sent off shortly after. | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
A tense final few minutes but United hung on. | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
Their league finishes on Sunday and they will have | :07:42. | :08:07. | |
Hopefully Crystal Palace does not need the last game. | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
Because in the last game I am going to make a lot of changes. | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
Tickets for Chelsea's match at West Brom this evening | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
are being sold for nearly ?2000, that's because a win would make them | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
Not many were predicting that at the start of the season. | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
But Antonio Conte's side are seven points clear of Spurs, | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
And if they do get the victory, it could be the first part | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
The Blues are also into the FA Cup final | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
Only three other managers have won the title in their first season, | :08:44. | :08:52. | |
and Antonio Conte could become the fourth tonight. | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
There was a bit of fielding practice for a BBC commentator yesterday. | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
Durham beat Nottinghamshire by four wickets in their One Day Cup match, | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
but it was a huge six from England opener Alex Hales that | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
He hit three sixes in total during his innings of 104. | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
But with this one, he found the only open window | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
in the Trent Bridge Media Centre and the ball was picked up by one | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
of the two commentators from the BBC covering the match. | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
Here's how it sounded for Radio Nottingham's Dave Brace-girdle. | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
COMMENTATOR: Hales hits this towards me - | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
It's coming to our commentary position! | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
It never gets boring. He should have packed his cricket helmet. | :09:36. | :09:51. | |
I love how well-behaved he is. No swearing. | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
It's the end of a busy week of campaigning for all the political | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
parties with 26 days to go until the general election. | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith is in Westminster. | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
What is the round-up of the week? It has been a one bam weeks, | :10:03. | :10:13. | |
remorseless. I am worn out and it is weak one. The parties have been | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
going at each other like the clubbers trying to land killer | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
blows. We are beginning to see a pattern emerging were Michael Labour | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
Party are desperately pumping out big policy announcements, unveiling | :10:26. | :10:34. | |
their national education service to stand alongside the NHS. We had | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
their manifesto the other day unfortunately leaked but they tried | :10:40. | :10:41. | |
to take advantage of it with the holistic policies about | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
nationalisation, and today we have Jeremy Corbyn setting out his vision | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
of Labour's foreign policy. Labour putting out big policies and yet | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
Theresa May and the Tory party have been remarkably silent. There have | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
been no major announcements from the Tory party all week and I think that | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
tells us that the Tories are quite happy for Labour to get all the | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
headlines, they want to give them enough rope in the hope that Jeremy | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
Corbyn might hang Labour's election prospects. We have this strange | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
situation where Labour are out campaigning, putting out about | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
policies, getting Jeremy Corbyn making big speeches, quite the | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
reverse of the Tories who want to keep it quite quiet because they | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
know they are miles ahead in the polls and do not have to do much at | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
they are hoping Jeremy Corbyn will trap up. What sort of a week has it | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
been for Jeremy Corbyn? In today's papers, they looked dreadful. But in | :11:46. | :11:54. | |
a funny sort of way the team around Jeremy Corbyn are relaxed because | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
they never expected to win over papers like the Daily Mail and The | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
Sun. Their theory is that the more people get to see and hear him they | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
will see that he is honest, not trying to hide anything, he has his | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
convictions and he is not hiding them. He does not tailor everything | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
to a particular sound bite. He just tells everything as he sees it. They | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
think despite the dismal headlines in the mainstream media is the fact | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
of getting him out there they think might begin to cut through a bit | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
more with the electorate. It is not the sort of general election | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
campaign we are used to. The focus seems to have been mainly on Labour. | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
What can we expect going forward? Next week we get the manifestos or | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
we expect to get all the main parties setting out the manifestos. | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
This is where parties can no longer avoid difficult questions by saying | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
you have to wait for the manifesto. We will have the manifestos and we | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
will be able to see what they are going to do and how they are going | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
to be followed. We will get the entrails of the policies the parties | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
are proposing. There will be no hiding place from now on. We know | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
exactly what they are promising, who is going to have to pay. There will | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
be a moment of clarity I hope next week when we can finally say this is | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
what they are proposing and this is how they think they are going to do | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
it. That would be good. Every day until June 8th we'll be | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
highlighting the best gaffe or highly amusing moment | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
from the election We need a general election and we | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
need one now. What do you have for us? The first | :13:44. | :14:16. | |
Boeing is my kind of ABC for people in the general election campaign | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
appearing before the media. Less than one, if you are making a big | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
entrance or exit, do not repeat do not fall down the stairs. Watch. | :14:27. | :14:40. | |
Ouch! You know that has they have parts. He is a big man and he has | :14:41. | :14:49. | |
taken a big fall. It is one of those moments when you trip over and you | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
cannot say anything. You know sometimes the doorbell goes and you | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
do not answer because you think it is going to be somebody pestering | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
you for money or you are in your pyjamas or you cannot be bothered? | :15:05. | :15:11. | |
Unfortunately this chapter does not answer the doorbell but when he | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
looks on his security camera he has an important visitor. Yes, that is | :15:16. | :15:28. | |
right, it is the Prime Minister. Hurry, tried to get the front door! | :15:29. | :15:39. | |
She is not there any more. I guess the lesson is when someone rings the | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
doorbell you better answer because you do not know who it might be. | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
You know when we want to show how parties are doing, we have brilliant | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
people like Jeremy Vine dancing around on some sort of lit up | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
floorboard. Emily pointing us to where the share of the vote is | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
going. And who can forget Peter Snow with his arms flailing around? They | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
are trumped by the election people of career. I love this. -- election | :16:13. | :16:27. | |
people of Korea. I don't understand this. We need to have this sort of | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
thing. But it needs to be more differentiated. It comes across as a | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
PE class going mad. I think it is fantastic. We should do that our | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
election coverage. Maybe we should get the crazy Koreans into newsroom. | :16:43. | :16:51. | |
Isn't that a dab question mark I absolutely love it. -- isn't that a | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
dab? We're going to be in Bedfordshire | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
on Monday 29th May for a big who you're going to vote for, | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
still deciding or don't think you'll bother - | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
and would like the chance to share your views and grill senior | :17:10. | :17:11. | |
politicians on their policies - [email protected] More details | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
on our facebook and twitter pages. Thousands of weapons have | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
been seized from schools across the country - | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
with samurai swords, axes and air The majority of cases | :17:21. | :17:22. | |
involved children - and in very rare cases some | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
as young as five. That's according to figures released | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
to the Press Association by 32 At least one in five | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
incidents involved knives. Police chiefs said there had been | :17:31. | :17:37. | |
a "worrying" increase in young people carrying knives, | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
but said they're working with schools to help educate young | :17:41. | :17:41. | |
people about why carrying any One of our reporters, | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
Lesley Ashmall, made a film She spoke to Malika - | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
who knows two people who've been stabbed, as well as one person | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
who stabbed someone to death. It's really difficult to the young | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
person and see the victim, and the murderer, to know them both, and do | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
not know what to say. You are saying rest in peace to the person who | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
died. But also the person who did it, you don't know what happened, | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
and how the argument started. Then it is just a little argument, and | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
somebody has died, and the other one is in prison. Dante has never been | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
in a gander admits he has carried a knife in the past. He says boys do | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
it simply because they are scared each other. Everyday, you know you | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
will not be with your friends all the time. You won't have people to | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
back you. It might seem like an alternative to other people. That's | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
probably why they carry in the first place. If they think there is a sign | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
of danger, they will pull something out, and get rid of it. If you are | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
caught with a knife you could go to jail. Does that not put people off? | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
There is people out there who would rather risk it and actually get this | :19:00. | :19:06. | |
in -- would rather risk it and actually get physically hurt. They | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
would take the risk. We can speak now to Damian Castello, | :19:11. | :19:11. | |
who works with kids in schools dealing with the issue of knives, | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
Rob Jackson, a nurse clinician in the emergency department | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
at the Royal Liverpool Hospital who also presents in schools | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
about his work and Carl Ward, the Chief Executive | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
of the City Learning Trust - a group of 10 schools | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
in Stoke-on-Trent. Thank you all for joining us. | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
Damian, kids as young as five, really? Shocking, isn't it. We are a | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
charity organisation that work with young people with a focus on | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
reducing violent behaviour, anti-social behaviour, and reducing | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
crime. Many of the young people we work with talk openly with us about | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
the fact that they do carry weapons. If it is to school, their local | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
community... What we consistently here as a message as they do not | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
feel safe. They are carrying these weapons as self-defence or | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
protection. Not to use them for any criminal activity as such. Or for | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
any gang activity. We hear a lot about young people feeling unsafe. | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
You go into schools and tell kids about the potential impact of what | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
will happen, Rob, or what can happen if knives are carried and used. What | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
sort of things have you seen? In the emergency department in Liverpool we | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
spoken to nearly 70,000 people across Merseyside. We've seen a | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
reduction in the number of people coming in with injuries. Anecdotally | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
we are hearing reports that there is a reduction of people carrying | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
knives. It is important we educate people about the reality if you are | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
involved in a knife attack. We show unpleasant photos to people with | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
their hands hanging off. People who have been stabbed. People who have | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
been killed. We show people and tell people the stories and the reality | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
of what it would be like if they were involved in a knife attack. | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
Also, what it is like the their family, the hospital, the | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
applications. We've spoken to around 700 people. I was in a school | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
yesterday. We started with 150 people. By the time we finished 40 | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
had walked out. The pictures you describe our graphic. Incredibly and | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
I think they have to be. Do they make a difference? The information | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
we get told, yes, we think they do make a difference, we cannot see how | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
they don't. We are not naive, we won't get rid of knife crime, but in | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
Liverpool, with the work of the police officers and the hospital | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
workers, we are making inroads into making people aware of the reality | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
of what is involved in a knife attack. It has to be making a | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
difference, yes. Damien says that kids carry knives because they don't | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
feel safe. That is terrible if they don't think they are safe in | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
schools. What you think the issue is? -- what do you think the issue | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
is? I'm not sure people would say they feel unsafe in school. | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
Safeguarding is one of the top priorities of every school in the | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
country. This is a shocking report. I am a parent. We should all be | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
worried about it in the UK. However, there are 8 million 500,000, | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
approximately, students in the UK as we currently stand. -- however, | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
there are 8.5 million, approximately, students in the UK as | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
we currently stand. A very small percentage have experienced a | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
scenario like this. The student population is growing in the UK by | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
140,000 students... It is a small proportion. But for any kids to be | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
carrying something like a samurai sword, and acts, however few it is | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
deeply shocking and it will be worrying parents. -- and axes, | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
however few it is, it is deeply shocking and it will be worrying | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
parents. Yes. Education and prevention is the answer. Damien, | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
you raised your eyebrows when he said that children do not feel safe | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
in schools, do you think they are? There was a percentage that don't | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
feel safe in school. Many people who attend schools come from different | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
areas which may be in conflict. And therefore feel the need to carry | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
weapons to school. How do you fix that? Education is the key. We need | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
to give young people, first and foremost, the space and opportunity | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
to be heard, to hear what it is like for them. Also, we need to identify | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
what the underlying issues are as to why people are carrying. Who are you | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
hearing from? Within schools, in the community, and the media. A safe | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
environment for young people to talk about how they feel and their | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
experiences. Also what we feel is important is that this problem | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
cannot be tackled by one organisation, one community, and | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
needs to be tackled by everybody as a whole. You describe it as a | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
vulnerable children, children feeling vulnerable, people will look | :24:20. | :24:21. | |
at those children carrying knives and think, no, tough kids, how do | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
you get through to these kids? Giving them a space. Educating them. | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
Raising the awareness of the dangers of carrying weapons. Many children | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
who have carried weapons never intended to hurt anybody. But | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
because they feel a threat this has led to some of them carrying out | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
acts of violence. Karl, what about things like metal detectors, ways | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
actually just not allowing it to happen? These shouldn't be in | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
schools. Surely it should not be that difficult to stop it. It's not. | :24:57. | :25:04. | |
The key point was just made that schools are part of communities. | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
Schools reflect what happens in communities. We work hard to make | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
schools safer places. We should use any means in our -- at our disposal | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
to make sure they are kept safe. If that means a school thinking they | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
need to use a metal detector, that will be up to that individual school | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
to try and ensure that school is kept as safe as humanly possible. In | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
terms of the work you do, Rob, and the difference you say you are | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
making, you said that the beginning, actually, that you are seeing a | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
reduction in your hospital. Talks around the picture, specifically | :25:43. | :25:50. | |
your area. -- talk us the picture. I work in a city centre emergency | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
department. We are busy. The trauma centres up the road in Aintree. The | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
work we have done is showing that we have fewer people and 18 presenting | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
with knife stab wins. We are not naive. The majority of people in | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
cities are good people. The majority of kids are good kids. To tackle the | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
problem we think education is the way forward. We have to show people | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
the reality. The reality is that the majority of these people will not | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
get involved. But we do this to keep people safe by showing them these | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
horrible images and Callum Booth horrible stories. We will continue | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
to do it if it helps. -- by showing them these horrible images and tell | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
them these horrible stories. Do you tell them stories, show images? We | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
don't. We give them a space to talk about their experience. Is it a | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
helpful part? If you don't, this is the consequence... We absolutely | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
talk about the consequences. Many young people are aware of them. They | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
sometimes do not see any other way in which they can keep themselves | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
safe. We work with young people to identify, teach them to raise | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
awareness of how to defend themselves, as opposed to carrying | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
knives. Thanks very much. Some comments on the interview with | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
Caitlyn Jenner, lots of people getting in touch. Jane says my | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
husband of 37 years came out as transgender 18 months ago. There has | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
never been any signs before. When it comes to Mother's Day they get upset | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
because they want to be known as -- because he wants to be known as mum, | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
my son gets upset because it is his dad. Another message says a very | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
honest account and so important to talk about LGBT issues. An e-mail | :27:42. | :27:48. | |
from Marjorie, I was very impressed with her intelligent, articulate, | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
response. I have a more positive image than I had before where I | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
sometimes felt imitated by the preciousness of some trans-people. | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
She should emphasise, as she did in your interview, the massive decision | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
it is and it isn't to be taken lightly. Thank you for your | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
comments. Keep in touch. Coming up: A special report from Baltimore in | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
the United States where murder rates, especially of young black | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
men, have been described as out of control. Sometimes you feel you are | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
teaching in some disenfranchised country. That there is this war | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
going on. And it is like this war that is being waged against our | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
young people. Especially our young black men. | :28:38. | :28:45. | |
For a summary of today's news, let's go to the BBC Newsroom. | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
US President Donald Trump has defended his decision to fire | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
former FBI director James Comey, who he called | :28:51. | :28:52. | |
In an interview with NBC News, the president said it was his | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
decision alone to sack Mr Comey, who was leading an inquiry | :28:57. | :28:58. | |
into alleged Russian interference in the US election and possible | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
collusion between Trump campaign officials and Moscow. | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
Mr Trump also insisted he is not under investigation by the FBI over | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will insist he isn't a pacifist and he's prepared to use | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
military force as a last resort in a major speech on | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
The Labour leader will also pledge a "robust", independent | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
foreign policy and says there will be "no hand holding" | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
with US President Donald Trump if he's Prime Minister. | :29:25. | :29:32. | |
Thousands of weapons have been seized in schools | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
Figures provided by 32 police forces to the Press Association show that, | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
in the last two years, more than 2,500 weapons had | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
Police chiefs said there had been a "worrying" increase in young | :29:42. | :29:48. | |
people carrying knives including swords, axes and air-guns. | :29:49. | :29:58. | |
Tony Blair says he hopes the border between Ireland and the Irish | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
Republic remains much the same when the UK leads the EU as it does now. | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
Speaking to Irish media he said there was a consensus in British | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
politics that the gains of the last few years in Northern Ireland should | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
be retained. He is due to make a major speech in Ireland in the next | :30:16. | :30:16. | |
half an hour. Brazil has declared an end | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
to a national emergency over the Zika virus after the number | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
of cases dropped 95% between January and April, | :30:22. | :30:23. | |
compared to the same period The virus has been linked to | :30:24. | :30:25. | |
microcephaly where babies are born The threat was at its peak as Brazil | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
prepared to host the 2016 Olympics, and the Zika virus has been linked | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
to severe birth defects A Mexican businesswoman | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
who was known for successfully investigating the kidnap and murder | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
of her daughter by a local drug cartel has been | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
killed by armed intruders. Miriam Rodriguez Martinez headed | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
a local association of 600 families who were searching | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
for their disappeared relatives, and the information she gave | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
the police ensured some gang The UN mission in Mexico | :30:56. | :30:57. | |
condemned the attack. Detectives investigating | :30:58. | :31:10. | |
the death of a businessman, who was shot dead during a suspected | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
burglary at his home in Dorset, Police say a 45-year-old man | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
from Poole is being questioned on suspicion of conspiracy | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
to commit aggravated burglary. Three men have been charged | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
with murdering Guy Hedger during the May Day Bank Holiday | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
weekend. An untitled Harry Potter prequel, | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
which was handwritten on a postcard by JK Rowling, | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
has been stolen in a The 800-word manuscript, | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
which was written for a charity auction and sold for ?25,000, | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
was stolen along with jewellery Join me for BBC | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
Newsroom live at 11am. Manchester United fans hoping | :31:47. | :31:55. | |
to watch their side take on Ajax in the Europa League Final on May | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
24th face a tough They'll get fewer than a fifth | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
of the places available United made it there | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
after drawing 1-1 with Celta Vigo at Old Trafford last night, | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
winning the tie 2-1 on aggregate. Victory against Ajax in 12 days | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
would see them qualify Chelsea can win the Premier | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
League title tonight. A win at West Brom would give them | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
an unassailable ten point lead over Victory would make Antonio Conte | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
only the fourth manager to win the Premier League in his first | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
season in England. Birmingham City have confirmed that | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
Harry Redknapp has signed a one year deal to stay on as manager | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
at the club. After Redknapp took over | :32:46. | :32:47. | |
from Gianfranco Zola, Birmingham avoided relegation | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
from the Championship. Andy Murray says he's "concerned" | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
after his latest defeat He was knocked out of | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
the Madrid Open in straight sets by Borna Coric, | :32:59. | :33:05. | |
a player ranked 58 places below him. Murder rates in many US cities | :33:06. | :33:15. | |
are on the rise, particularly Close to half of those killed are | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
from the African American community. In the inner cities, young black men | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
are particularly at risk. Baltimore's mayor has | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
asked the FBI to step in. He's called the situation | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
"out of control". Charlotte Pamment has been | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
to Balitmore to meet the family and community affected by one | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
of these tragic deaths. I just heard this scream, | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
and it was like a howl They blurted out, he | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
was here last night. And Miss Higgins, one | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
of his favourite teachers, Of all the students, | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
I was like, not him. # If you ain't happy here then | :33:49. | :33:56. | |
you should take a flight. # To a happy place, | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
and you should stay the night. # Life is great when you ain't | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
scared of heights. # How are you supposed to fly | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
if you are scared of heights? # And on a surface level, | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
it's really basic, right? # I ain't scared to fail, | :34:10. | :34:20. | |
I ain't scared to fight. You know, this was just | :34:21. | :34:28. | |
like the ultimate storyline. The kid who dropped out, | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
he came back and he came He just said, I'm going to try | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
and go back to school. He said, there's | :34:38. | :34:49. | |
nothing out here to do. We all fall, but we | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
all can get back up. And his slogan to all the kids used | :34:53. | :34:55. | |
to be, slow progress He used to talk about how | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
he was going to show He would say, please, | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
hold your applause, wait to the end. I said, Marco, we'll all be up | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
shouting yes, yes, yes! I can't find a reason in this world | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
why my son did not get I've thought about his mom, | :35:10. | :35:36. | |
and I think one of the things that hurt me more than anything | :35:37. | :35:46. | |
was thinking about his mom. I still can't get over, | :35:47. | :35:55. | |
and can't imagine the pain He was a kid that could have went | :35:56. | :35:57. | |
on and did brilliant things. The potential, we see | :35:58. | :36:05. | |
their potential, and... Unfortunately, there are people out | :36:06. | :36:13. | |
there who don't see that. There's people out there who, | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
you know, they hate themselves, and because they hate themselves, | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
they would rather take This was the fourth student, | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
male student, that I had lost this school year, | :36:26. | :36:36. | |
and it had became a bit To just watch brilliant young | :36:37. | :36:38. | |
men's lives be taken. If I had to just speak | :36:39. | :36:50. | |
about the reality of our existence as teachers in an inner city, | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
well, so be it. It's like you sometimes feel | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
like you're teaching in some disenfranchised country, | :36:58. | :37:07. | |
you know, that there's this war going out there, | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
and it's like this war that's been This past couple of months, | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
all he desired was to get his high school diploma, walk across that | :37:13. | :37:24. | |
stage and talk about what he was going to wear | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
under the cap and gown. He's probably going to still do | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
it, like, for real. He's probably going to walk up | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
to the man and be, like, Even though my mom | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
can't see, I can see. Caitlyn tenor has told this is | :37:38. | :38:02. | |
loving as herself following her transition. I made that character so | :38:03. | :38:12. | |
big. Not that... I loved playing Bruce. Bruce was a good person. He | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
raised a tremendous family and did a lot of good things. I am very proud | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
of what I was able to accomplish that way but I got to the age of 65 | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
after struggling with these issues for so many years and I was right | :38:28. | :38:38. | |
back where I started from, in Malibu, I had raised ten wonderful | :38:39. | :38:46. | |
great children, Kris and I had gone our separate ways, and I was still | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
dealing with the same issues I had had since I was ten. What was I | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
going to do with my life? After long conversations with God, with my | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
pastor, with my children, I thought, you know what? In God's eyes, how | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
does he see how I am doing? And I thought, finally, maybe this is the | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
reason he put me on this earth at this time and at this place in | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
society because I could not do it in the 80s when I was struggling. I | :39:18. | :39:24. | |
said, maybe I can come forward, live my life honestly but also in doing | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
that and having a platform maybe I can bring some understanding to the | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
world in this issue. It was very fulfilling. That is what I have been | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
doing for the past couple of years. Take us back to the little boy Bruce | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
and the first time you... Cross dressed? Yes. That is going way back | :39:48. | :39:55. | |
because I did not know why I was fascinated by either my sister or my | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
mum's closet and I remember going in there fascinated by all of that | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
stuff. At what age? Just getting some clothes, my hair was short, it | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
was in the 50s, I put a scarf over my head, through on a little | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
lipstick, got in my mum's outfits or whatever it was that walked around | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
the apartment complex. Little did I know that would be a pattern I would | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
do all the way until I was 65. I did not know why I felt so comfortable | :40:31. | :40:40. | |
doing that. That it felt like me but it was also the great taboo, I could | :40:41. | :40:48. | |
not tell anybody. That kind of set-up the pattern. When you go | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
through something like this you always wonder why? Is it the | :40:51. | :40:58. | |
excitement, is that what it is about? And I really trans? I might | :40:59. | :41:06. | |
just a cross-dresser? Is it sexual? You go through for all of those | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
years everything in your head and eventually I came to the point where | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
I realise this is me, this is who I am. What was the first conversation | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
you had within a body about it? Probably my first ex-wife. After we | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
had been married for a while I told I had some issues and these were the | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
things going my head. That was the first time you had spoken to | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
anybody? Yes. I could not speak to my sister. We just saw a picture of | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
you and your sister Pam, you were very close. Yes, we continue to be | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
close. Linda, my second marriage, we were only married for four years, we | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
had two wonderful children. I told to her, I was struggling in the 80s. | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
We went our separate directions and for the next six years I just | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
dropped out of life. I lived in my house by myself. I did not go out, I | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
did not do anything, I went out to work once in a while, I became like | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
a hermit, I did not feel like I fit in anywhere. The guys did not fit in | :42:19. | :42:25. | |
with the girls. That was Caitlyn Jenner. You can see the full | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
interview on the programme page. Robert says she comes across as a | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
genuine person, it has definitely opened my eyes. Someone else says it | :42:34. | :42:40. | |
is fascinating to listen to her. She obviously these all sides of | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
people's problems and speaks warmly on life. Well done you. Keep your | :42:47. | :42:54. | |
thoughts coming in. We are expecting to hear from Tony Blair shortly | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
because he has spoken of his desire to get back into politics with | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
Brexit and he is going to be speaking shortly. We are hoping to | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
bring you some coverage of him delivering a speech on Brexit at a | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
meeting, the largest political grouping in the European Parliament, | :43:13. | :43:19. | |
there he is. At the moment we have a common travel area where people can | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
travel freely between Southland north, north and south, on the | :43:25. | :43:33. | |
island of Ireland. The open border between the north and south is, in | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
terms of trade, as on an immense amount for UK Irish trade and | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
commercial relationships and it is important, although there will be | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
difficult challenges in relation to this, that we safeguard as much of | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
that as possible and minimise potential damage. I explained to the | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
EBP that I think whatever disagreements I have with the | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
British government over Brexit or more generally there is a real | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
consensus across the British political system that we must do | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
everything we possibly can to keep the present situation between the | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, south and north, as similar | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
to what we have at the moment as we possibly can, and do all we can to | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
minimise any potential disruption. This is of vital importance for the | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
economic relationships and the political relationships. It was | :44:33. | :44:41. | |
enormously beneficial to be able to talk to the EPP and speak to them | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
about that and broader questions about Europe. I know from what was | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
said yesterday, what Michel Barnier said yesterday as well, and in a | :44:53. | :45:01. | |
sense my presence here today is to say, I think there is a really | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
common desire, whatever other issues there are in relation to Brexit, to | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
make Northern Ireland a special case and make sure we do everything we | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
possibly can to protect the Good Friday Agreement and the peace | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
process and protect the strong relationship between the Republic of | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
Ireland that the UK going forward. Thank you. | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
But Tony Blair speaking at a meeting in Ireland to a gathering of | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
pro-European politicians from across Europe. He was interviewed this | :45:31. | :45:38. | |
morning on Morning Ireland. He was asked about the leadership of the | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
Labour Party. He said it would be best for him to keep a diplomatic | :45:43. | :45:44. | |
silence for the time being. It's that time of the year again, | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
and tomorrow night Ukraine's capital Kiev will play host to the 63rd | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
Eurovision final. It's 20 years since we last | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
won, so what are our Last year Ukraine snatched victory | :45:56. | :45:57. | |
at the last moment with a song by Jamala about Crimean ethnic | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
cleansing under Josef Stalin. The UK's entry "You're not Alone" | :46:02. | :46:03. | |
by Joe and Jake came a pretty disappointing 24th out of 26 | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
countries Former X Factor contestant Lucie Jones | :46:07. | :46:19. | |
is our hopeful for this year. Here's a taster of her song | :46:20. | :46:52. | |
"Never Give Up On You". # Together we're dancing | :46:53. | :46:55. | |
through this storm She has her work cut out. This is | :46:56. | :47:31. | |
the first Eurovision since we voted out of Brexit. Even the Prime | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
Minister is concerned. I am sure you are behind Eurovision. We're not | :47:36. | :47:43. | |
leaving that, as well, are we? No. CHUCKLES | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
Although in current circumstances I'm not sure how many votes we will | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
get. It'll be very interesting indeed. | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
Let's talk now to four superfans all in Kiev for the final. | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
William Lee Adams runs one of the most popular Eurovision fan | :47:57. | :47:58. | |
sites and is hosting parties across Europe to celebrate | :47:59. | :48:00. | |
Alasdair Rendall is head of OAGE International - | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
Lisa Jayne Lewis is a Eurovision expert out in Kiev, who says | :48:05. | :48:12. | |
she's been "married" to the competition since 1993. | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
Samantha Ross, is an American superfan who is working in the press | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
Lisa Jane, you've been married to the competition for a very long | :48:20. | :48:34. | |
time. Why are you such a fan and what does it take to win it? What I | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
say about that statement, I feel like I'm that Eurovision in 1991. We | :48:40. | :48:46. | |
fell in love in 1992. In 1993, since then I've been connected to the | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
contest. What does it take to win? Some of the entries, you could | :48:53. | :48:55. | |
describe them as surreal, some of the winners are, I guess, | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
interesting. What is it? What is the X Factor for a winner in Eurovision? | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
It is a combination of things. It is not just a case of coming with a | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
really good song, or coming with a really good back story, maybe if you | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
are an artist, or staging or styling. You have to get everything. | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
You have to get all of the planets align. That is what makes a winner | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
at Eurovision. It is impossible to say what that thing is. Because it | :49:25. | :49:32. | |
shifts every year. Who knows? All of the planets have to ally. It is a | :49:33. | :49:39. | |
big deal. Alistair, can Lucie do it? We got the best song we've sent in | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
many years. All of the elements are there. It is the 60th song, the 20th | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
anniversary since we last. The first time in many years we have the | :49:49. | :49:54. | |
magical package Lucy Jane was alluding to. We have a great | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
performance. It is a TV shows you that standout performance. She | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
delivers every time. She has been doing fantastic at rehearsals. Good | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
chance last -- good chance this year, much better than | :50:10. | :50:11. | |
you joined the fan club when you attend. You have been watching for a | :50:12. | :50:19. | |
long time. How does she compare to previous entries? It is our best | :50:20. | :50:27. | |
song since 2009. It is a strong song, strong performance. It is a | :50:28. | :50:37. | |
world away from the Eurovision cliches. It is a contemporary sound. | :50:38. | :50:43. | |
That is what we need. William Lee, you will be vlogging, you will be | :50:44. | :50:52. | |
Eurovision, you will be, what do you think? We are really making the most | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
of this. My personal favourites are Portugal. They avoid Eurovision | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
cliches because there are no explosions, they are singing from | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
the heart. When he sings he closes his eyes, the audience is with him | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
all the way. Samantha, you are American but a Eurovision super fan, | :51:14. | :51:22. | |
how did that happen? I basically started as just familiar with the | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
words Eurovision Song contest growing up in a household that | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
watched a lot of Monty Python programmes. Every single spring all | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
of my European friends at university would start talking about who has | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
the better song. I started watching one year. I ended up surpassing them | :51:40. | :51:48. | |
with my fandom for it. I started a personal website. And in 2010I | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
attended it for the first time. Now I am on a delegation for it, so | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
dreams can come true. Lisa Jane, are you worried about the impact of | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
Brexit on voting? Not at all. It'll have absolutely no effect whatsoever | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
on any of the votes coming to the UK. What Alistair said, this is the | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
strongest overall package the UK have brought this year. That is what | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
people will see that is what people will vote on. How can you be so | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
sure? Everybody says voting gets political. That is a misnomer. It is | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
an political voting, it is more cultural voting. You get groups of | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
countries who vote for each other. That is because the singers who are | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
famous in, say Denmark, are likely to be famous in Sweden and Norway. | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
Scandinavian countries. A singer famous in Serbia is likely to be | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
famous in Croatia, Monty Negra, as well. It isn't so much political | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
voting as the British country have been led to believe, it is more of a | :52:49. | :52:55. | |
shared culture and shared music industry, though. -- a singer famous | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
in Serbia is likely to be famous in Croatia and Montenegro. What do you | :52:59. | :53:06. | |
Brexit will not be on your mind. People will be voting for the song | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
they like the most. -- what do you think, Alistair? | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
Some people who may vote in a Brexit way to make a point. But the vast | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
majority of people will be voting for their favourite song. We have a | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
democratic process of choosing our Eurovision entry. How does it work | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
elsewhere? It varies from country to country. | :53:32. | :53:47. | |
INAUDIBLE I'm struggling to hear you. | :53:48. | :53:56. | |
I will go back to Samantha. Samantha, you said you were part of | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
a delegation, you are with the Bulgarian entry. We haven't heard | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
it. Tell us about your entry and what your hopes are. We are | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
incredibly proud of our song. Kristian, 17 years old, he was born | :54:10. | :54:16. | |
after the start of the year 2000, wonderful landmark. The song is a | :54:17. | :54:24. | |
modern ballad with a influence about bringing the world together and | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
accomplishing goals through unity. A Eurovision message with an | :54:29. | :54:31. | |
exceptional singer. We are so proud of him. Seeing our name pulled out | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
of the envelope last night was a massive thrill for the entire | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
delegation. I might be biased, but go bog area. Samantha, a final | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
point. -- but go It takes up a lot of time. It is a | :54:44. | :55:03. | |
massive Saturday night. For most people. I report on the contest year | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
round. I follow the national selection. There is the junior | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
contest in Georgia which I will be going to. There is lots going on. | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
I'm fortunate to be able to turn it into a part-time job, which is | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
wonderful. If you enjoy your job you will never work a day in your life, | :55:22. | :55:29. | |
they say. Absolutely. Enjoy it tomorrow. Thank you very much. We | :55:30. | :55:33. | |
will be in Bedfordshire on the 29th of May for a big election audience | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
debate. If you have already made up your mind on who you will vote for, | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
you are still decide to come all you do not think you will bother, if you | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
would like the opportunity to grill senior politicians on their policies | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
do get in touch to apply for a place. | :55:49. | :55:56. | |
We have some breaking news. The coroner has said a 14-year-old boy | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
died as a result of an allergic reaction to a school lunch. He was | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
being kept back after school when he collapsed. Our correspondent has | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
been at the inquest and has the latest. What happened, Richard? Very | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
sad story. This happened last November. 14-year-old, at a school | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
in east London, he collapsed a couple of hours after having a | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
school lunch. He had a wide range of food allergies. He was also severely | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
asthmatic. When he collapsed he said to the staff he was unable to | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
breathe. They eventually got the medical pack which he had at school, | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
which contained items which should help him in case of an emergency | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
such as this. The coroner found staff didn't really know about his | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
condition. And also that the school nurse had incorrectly listed his | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
condition as mild to moderate when in fact it was severe. The fact that | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
condition had been listed in the way it was meant there was no record is | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
made of the use of an adrenaline shot which was in his first aid kit. | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
When staff got the first aid pack they did not know how to use the | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
adrenaline shot, whether it should be used, they asked for advice from | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
paramedics who also suggested it shouldn't be used just yet. Five | :57:19. | :57:21. | |
minutes later when the paramedics arrived, it still had not been used, | :57:22. | :57:27. | |
four days after that he died of what was listed as a hypoxic brain | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
injury. The coroner made clear this was down to the allergic reaction he | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
suffered from food and the lack of treatment he had after that. Thank | :57:36. | :57:43. | |
you very much. If you want to see the Caitlyn Jenner interview again | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
it is on the programme page. Fascinating to talk to her. She has | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
written a book about transitioning in her 60s, about the struggles | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
through her life, the secrets she kept, but now in her 60s she is | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
completely open with those around her. She talks about the journey, | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
with the comedy aspects of it, as well, that she talks openly about. | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
She wanted to bring the humour through in the way she talks about | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
her life. Great to have her on the show today. Thank you for your | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
company. Enjoy your weekend. Newsroom live is coming up next. I | :58:19. | :58:20. | |
will see you soon. Goodbye. | :58:21. | :58:23. |