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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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Our top story today - the NHS is expecting further

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problems this morning when thousands of staff log on for

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the first time since the discovery of a ransomware virus on Friday.

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It comes amid warnings further hacks could happen today.

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This bug will be sitting in systems over the weekend and when people

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arrive for work on Monday morning and turn on their computer, I think

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we will see the numbers going up again.

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If you've been affected - do get in touch with us this morning.

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Also on the programme - Theresa May promises the biggest

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expansion of workers' rights by any Conservative Government -

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if her party wins the general election.

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Theresa May and the Conservative Party have the opportunity to reach

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out to parts of the electorate who would never have dreamed of voting

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Conservative. This worker 's rights plan is a great idea. When it comes

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to workers' rights, you simply cannot trust the Tories. This is

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simply empty rhetoric. More reaction throughout

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the programme. Plus - Plaid Cyrmru leader

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Leanne Wood tells this programme for the first time she's

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going through the menopause # You and I know it's all over the

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front page, you give me road rage... There are macro it's up to you, boy,

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you're driving me crazy, thinking you may be losing my mind...

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And the award goes to... The Queen 's 90th birthday. The BAFTA goes to

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the magnificent Sarah Lancashire. The BAFTA fellowship this year is

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awarded to Joanna Lumley CHEERING Hello, welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11 this morning. I say we are alive but I do not feel

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very live having had two hours sleep.

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Thank you s much for all your absolutely lovely

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messages following this - a Bafta award for best news coverage

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- which we won last night - which is for the way we reported

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And this award really is for Andy Woodward, Steve Walters,

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Chris Unsworth and Jason Dunford who spoke to us

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We are very grateful to you and very proud.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

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The computer virus which first hit the health service on Friday

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is still causing serious problems at seven NHS organisations -

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Officials fear that further problems could emerge this morning when staff

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return to work and switch on terminals and equipment

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Our correspondent Richard Galpin reports.

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The computer virus which first hit the Health Service on Friday

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is still causing serious problems at seven hospitals and other NHS

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Particularly the ability to diagnose medical conditions.

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The images from MRI and CT scanning machines, as well as X-rays,

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can no longer be sent via computer to operating theatres.

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But the other big worry this morning is what'll

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happen when medical staff, especially at GP surgeries,

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return to work and switch on their computers

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Organisations that were affected on Friday and over the weekend

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might find that some of the problems have spread.

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That's not to say that the attacks are new.

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It's a repercussion of what happened on Friday.

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This map shows how the malicious software has

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There are now 200,000 victims, including large businesses

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and organisations, in more than 150 countries.

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Microsoft, whose popular computer operating systems

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were the target of the attack, has warned governments,

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what's happened is a wake-up call, particularly for those governments

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deliberately keeping quiet about software vulnerabilities

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so they can exploit these themselves.

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We can go live to Andy Moore who is outside hospital in East London. How

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will they cope this morning? It could be quite a challenge. Here at

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this hospital there are handwritten notes at A saying there is an IT

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failure and there could be serious delays. This is the biggest NHS

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Trust in the camp -- country. They have tried to reduce the number of

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procedures and outpatient appointments being carried out here

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today but they have warned some patients they may turn up here today

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to find out they cannot be helped. This is a situation which has been

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reflected at several other hospitals and GP surgeries around the country.

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We are not quite sure of the extent of the problem. The NHS said last

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night that Severn Trent were acquiring extra support but there

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may be other trusts still having problems. -- seven trusts were

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requiring extra support. Have trusts backed up information as they was

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opposed to? I asked this hospital and they said they have not got that

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information. Also, if you have not got a back-up power to get the vital

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information back again? And then there is a question about whether

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you actually pay the ransom. The guidance from the head of NHS

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security digital saved as a matter for the victim of whether to pay or

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not but NHS Digital and the NCA encourages the public not to pay.

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The advice is try not to but they are not saying explicitly don't.

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There is a president in the states last year. Hollywood hospital in

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California admitted they had to pay thousands of dollars in ransom after

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trying to successfully restore their systems. The question is whether the

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NHS in some circumstances might have to pay up. Having said that, the

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vast majority of the NHS is working as normal today. Patients have been

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told to turn up as normal today unless they have been told otherwise

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but it might be worth checking the local NHS website. Thank you, Andy.

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Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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North Korea says the missile it tested successfully on Sunday

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was a new type of rocket capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

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This footage which has just been released by North Korean state TV

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shows the launch which took place over the weekend.

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The United States says it would be prepared to impose more sanctions

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on the country if it continues to test ballistic missiles.

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The North Korean news agency said leader Kim Jong-Un personally

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Theresa May will today promise the biggest expansion of workers'

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rights of any Conservative administration - if her party wins

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The Prime Minister will outline a series of pledges including worker

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representation on company boards and the legal right to take leave

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Labour has dismissed the plans saying Mrs May is

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Labour says they will spend an extra ?37 billion on the NHS in England

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over the next five years - if they win power.

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The party's "new deal" for the health service includes

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a pledge to take a million people off waiting lists and to upgrade

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IT systems following the cyber-attack on the NHS.

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The Conservatives said they were already increasing health funding.

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Workers in the public sector will receive an average

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pay rise of nearly ?780 if the Liberal Democrats win

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The party is pledging to abolish a cap which has seen pay rises

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for nurses and teachers limited to one percent since 2012.

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Labour's manifesto is also expected to include a promise to get rid

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of the cap but the Conservatives say it is needed to help

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President Trump has been urged to hand over any recordings

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of conversations between him and sacked FBI director

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Senior opposition politicians continue to pressure the president

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over allegations Russia meddled in last year's election.

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They warn destroying any tapes - if they exist -

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The new French President, Emmanuel Macron, is expected

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to name his Prime Minister today - on his first full day in office.

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Mr Macron, who was inaugurated as the country's youngest

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president yesterday, will also travel to Germany

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today for talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel.

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A father has died after falling while walking with his daughter

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Rescue workers say the man, who's believed to be

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from the south of England, slipped on Tryfan in Snowdonia.

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He was airlifted to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

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The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has played down calls the European

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Union could pay a Brexit bill to Britain rather than the other way

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round. In a newspaper interview he said the EU could pay UK after

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Brexit but speaking this morning, the Foreign Secretary said Brexit

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bills are not on the agenda for today's meeting. Nothing is agreed

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until everything is agreed. You have to look at the money, the whole

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thing, the free trade arrangements and everything as a package.

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A company has apologised to a graduate jobseeker

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for calling her a "home educated oddball" in comments accidentally

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Anna Jacobs, from Kent, had applied for a position

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at Tonbridge-based Tecomak Environmental Services.

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But alongside the company's response were comments suggesting

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she was "worth an interview if only for a laugh".

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That's basically like saying, it's going to be a huge waste

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of time but let's just do it for a laugh,

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let's just make up the numbers, sort of thing.

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You know, I believe I've got a lot to offer, and if that's

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all I am to an employer, then please don't invite me

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The leader of the Welsh nationalist party Plaid Cymru,

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Leanne Wood, has revealed to the Victoria Derbyshire

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programme that she has gone through the menopause.

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She also told the programme she felt she did not know

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the real Theresa May, saying the prime minister was

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The Plaid leader also admitted to experimenting

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But when I was younger and a student, I tried a few things.

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I would rather not go into the details of the personal

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The full interview is in a few minutes.

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Joanna Lumley received Bafta's highest honour -

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the fellowship at the Bafta television awards

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The gritty BBC One police drama Happy Valley came

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away with two awards - best drama and best actress

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Damilola, Our Loved Boy was another big winner,

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picking up best single drama and best supporting actress,

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while Planet Earth II's infamous snakes chasing a baby iguana won

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When they played the clip and the iguana eventually escapes, the whole

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room burst into applause and cheered. It was an incredible night.

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We did not expect to win. Victoria Derbyshire, footballers' abuse. If

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you come out with accusations, would anyone believe you?

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Let's get some sport with Hugh Ferris.

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Hugh there were real highs and lows in the Premier league yesterday -

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let's start with the lows and Hull City have been relegated.

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Yes, after nine months or so, it is amazing how quickly everything

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happens in the final moments of the season. Hull join Middlesbrough and

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Sunderland in the Championship. When Marco Silver arrived as the manager

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in January, he managed to fix their away form but not the -- he fixed

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their home form but not the away form. Their result means palace and

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Swansea managed to stay up, Hull are down. Liverpool managed to win at

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West Ham by the same scoreline 4-0. They are up to third. They will

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qualify definitely for the Champions League. Philippe Coutinho scored two

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goals at the London Stadium. Manchester United lost 2-1 at Spurs.

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They will have to win the Europa League instead after their defeat in

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what was the final match at White Hart Lane. A fitting send off for

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Spurs who got the winner in that match through Harry Kane. And then

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queue hours of celebrations, first in the rain and then under a

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rainbow. They won the last 14 in a row in the Premier League.

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Apparently both Chas and Dave were there to say goodbye to a ground

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which they have called home for 118 years. They are only moving 100

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yards away. You can see the cranes in the background building the new

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ground. And hopes of a first British winner

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of cycling's to read Italia was over after a crash on the ninth stage?

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Giro D'Italia. Jared Thomas -- Geraint Thomas was involved in a

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crash. A police motorbike got in the way causing a number of riders to go

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down, Thomas Yates among them. He hurt his right shoulder and needed a

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couple of minutes to get back on his bike. Both those riders are now a

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long way behind the leader. It is not necessarily who goes the

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fastest, it is the person who stays out of trouble who goes on to win

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one of those grand Tours. Thank you.

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This morning, the leader of Plaid Cymru, the Welsh

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nationalist party, reveals that she has taken

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illegal drugs and is going through the menopause.

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Leanne Wood also says she's expecting a Conservative landslide

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in the forthcoming general election, but even though she criticises

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Labour in Wales, she doesn't rule out her party working with Labour

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She's been speaking to us as part of our "van share" series.

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Over the next few weeks I'll be driving various politicians around

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I take this drug called Tamoxifen because I had breast cancer and it

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gives you hot flushes and it's a total pain.

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You're not having the menopause are you, you are younger than me.

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The irony, we are going to whizz out of here and get stuck in traffic

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It's good now there's only one election to deal with.

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So the local elections have gone, that's something

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Yes, it was tricky dealing with two, that was a new one for me.

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I had a bad experience before. So one is easier.

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And how do you think you're going to do?

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Since the referendum, the decision to leave the European Union,

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our voice has almost gone unheard, and we have been neglected,

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so this is an opportunity for us to have a strong voice

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Last time, 2015, you returned three MPs to Westminster that your vote

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flat lined pretty much, went up a tiny bit, 0.9%.

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If that happens this time, do you think it will be you'll

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No, because when I became the leader of Plaid Cymru five years ago,

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it was on the basis of a long-term project.

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But if you don't improve your performance having been this time

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in the general election been leader for five years, surely it's time

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Well, I've got a long-term project to see out and I

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It'll take quite a long time I think to get Wales

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into the position whereby we can talk about having a referendum

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Why do you think Plaid Cymru hasn't replicated the success of the SNP

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Well, we're a different country, different parties

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and we're at different stages on the journey towards our

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One of the big differences obviously between Wales and Scotland

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is the majority of people in Scotland voted to remain

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Why do you think the majority in Wales voted to leave the EU?

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People voted for all kinds of different reasons.

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A number of people that I've spoken to in the Valleys in the south,

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for example, feel left behind, feel ignored, feel as though

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politicians are making plenty of money and living quite nice lives

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Do you think part of it was to do with immigration?

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Some of it was to do with immigration.

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To end the freedom of movement of people?

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Yes, I'm sure some people would have wanted to do that,

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despite the fact that that would be fraught with difficulties of course,

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because everybody's agreed that we don't want a hard border

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between Northern Ireland and the republic.

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So ending free movement would be very, very difficult if we continued

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What do you think is the difference between you -

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What is the difference between you wanting independence

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for Wales and the British people wanting independence

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Well, for me, Wales standing on its own two feet and being

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Continue straight on to Regent Street.

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So at the moment, we don't get a say on so many of the policy areas

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and decisions that are taken that affect Wales.

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It's just what the people voted to leave the European Union said

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isn't it - we want to make our own decisions?

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Well, I can appreciate the sentiment and, you know,

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to be able to take decisions closer to home is something that I support.

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But even if Wales were to be independent and if Scotland

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were to be independent too, there would still be some decisions

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we'd need to make collectively across what is currently the British

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state and even across the European Union and the world.

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It makes sense for countries to cooperate really wherever

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they are and whichever units of cooperation we are talking about.

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Would Plaid Cymru go into coalition with your political rivals, Labour?

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I wouldn't rule anything out because what I want to do is stop

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the Tories wreaking havoc of Wales, but...

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So would you accept seats in a Jeremy Corbyn Cabinet?

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Well, I don't think it's helpful to talk in those terms.

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Well, tell me in a minute. Just answer that.

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Would you accept seats in a Jeremy Corbyn Cabinet?

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I wouldn't rule it out, but I don't think we're going

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I believe and all the polls and results show from last week that

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there's going to be a Tory landslide in England.

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I can't see, given the splits that are in the Labour Party and how

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so many Labour MPs are keen to stab their leader in the back,

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I can't see how people are going to vote for a party

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The question for us is what happens in Wales.

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We can either vote for a majority of Labour MPs,

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like we've done for the last, I don't know, 100 years,

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and continue to be ignored, or we can do something different.

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And if we vote for Plaid Cymru MPs this time, we can make sure that

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What kind of sexist behaviour have you come across in politics?

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Well, it ranges from just the sort of casual sexist comment

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Well, being asked for example by a journalist how I juggle my time

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between being a mother and a politician.

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The kind of question that rarely would be if ever asked to a man.

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I've had quite a lot of misogynistic abuse on Twitter and Facebook.

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I've had to report some to the police.

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Somebody's even gone to prison for threatening

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Do you have, in your house, girl jobs and boy jobs?

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You mix it up? Who puts the bins out?

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Well, my partner does most of the housework

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OK. What do you think of Theresa May?

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I get the feeling I don't know what she is.

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I get the feeling that what we see is a very carefully presented person

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who is trying to appear in a certain way but I don't get the sense

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No evidence has come by way that would convince me that God exists.

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I'm asking you this because the leader of the Liberal Democrats

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was irritated that no other political leaders got asked this.

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OK, I've got some quick fire questions for you

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because we are making good progross in terms of our journey.

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A long time ago, you know, but when I was younger and a student

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I'd rather not go into the details of the personal

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side of things, but yes, I have.

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So in that sense, you have broken the law in the past?

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# You should be making it easy on yourself.

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# You and I know it's all over the front-page,

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When I told my daughter I was doing a car interview, she said,

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"Are you going to do a karaoke, mum?"

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Quick fire, finish off this sentence for me.

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A land of poets and minstrels, famed men.

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Can you name the 58-letter secret password from

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the Jane Fonda film, Barbarella?

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That's not Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndro-

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That's right! Do you know who invented that?

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I can't remember his name. Robert...

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I looked at what you promised in the Welsh Assembly

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Students in Wales who stayed and worked in Wales

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after they graduated due to pay off, write off some of their debts,

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?6,000 a year up to a maximum of ?18,000 which I think you said

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would cost ?48 million in a year, but if you have a look at how many

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students there are in Wales at the moment, 104,000,

:26:22.:26:23.

even if half just stayed in Wales, you'd be spending ?300

:26:24.:26:26.

Is that going to be in your manifesto?

:26:27.:26:32.

So we're still in favour of the principle of tying

:26:33.:26:34.

It doesn't sound like it's going to be in there, does it?

:26:35.:26:40.

In principle we want to see free tuition, but under

:26:41.:26:46.

the existing Assembly budget, that's not possible to deliver.

:26:47.:26:50.

So we're looking at what's possible within the existing budget to try

:26:51.:26:53.

and enable as many students from the poorest backgrounds to go

:26:54.:26:56.

to university and get some return on their investment back

:26:57.:26:58.

OK. Thank you.

:26:59.:27:04.

Thank you so much, thank you for being very honest and frank.

:27:05.:27:07.

And over the next few weeks we'll be driving

:27:08.:27:17.

round politicians from various other political parties.

:27:18.:27:20.

And we're going to be in Bedfordshire on Monday, 29th May

:27:21.:27:23.

If you've made up your mind already who you're going to vote for,

:27:24.:27:29.

still deciding or don't think you'll bother and would like the chance

:27:30.:27:35.

to share your views and grill senior politicians on their policies,

:27:36.:27:38.

More details on our Facebook and Twitter pages.

:27:39.:27:48.

Warnings of further problems in the NHS computer systems. Chelsea

:27:49.:27:58.

Manning the former intelligence analyst is due it leave prison this

:27:59.:28:04.

week after serving seven years of a 35 year sentence for leaking

:28:05.:28:07.

hundreds of thousands of classified American Government documentsful we

:28:08.:28:10.

will bring you an exclusive interview with her lawyer before

:28:11.:28:11.

10am. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:28:12.:28:14.

with a summary of today's news. The Health Secretary will chair a

:28:15.:28:23.

COBRA meeting on cyber security later this morning as the computer

:28:24.:28:27.

virus which hit the Health Service on Friday is reportedly still

:28:28.:28:31.

causing serious problems at a number of NHS organisations including

:28:32.:28:35.

hospitals in England. Some hospitals have chanceled appointments and MI R

:28:36.:28:39.

scans. Officials fear further problems could emerge this morning

:28:40.:28:42.

when staff return to work and switch on terminals and machines.

:28:43.:28:48.

North Korea says the missile it tested successfully on Sunday

:28:49.:28:50.

was a new type of rocket capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

:28:51.:28:55.

This footage which has just been released by North Korean state TV

:28:56.:28:58.

shows the launch which took place over the weekend.

:28:59.:29:00.

The United States says it would be prepared to impose more sanctions

:29:01.:29:03.

on the country if it continues to test ballistic missiles.

:29:04.:29:05.

The North Korean news agency said leader Kim Jong-Un personally

:29:06.:29:08.

Theresa May will today promise the biggest expansion of workers'

:29:09.:29:17.

rights of any Conservative administration if her party wins

:29:18.:29:19.

The Prime Minister will outline a series of pledges including worker

:29:20.:29:23.

representation on company boards and the legal right to take leave

:29:24.:29:26.

Labour has dismissed the plans saying Mrs May is

:29:27.:29:30.

Labour say they will spend an extra ?37 billion on the NHS in England

:29:31.:29:39.

over the next five years if they win power.

:29:40.:29:47.

The party's "new deal" for the Health Service includes

:29:48.:29:50.

a pledge to take a million people off waiting lists and to upgrade

:29:51.:29:53.

IT systems following the cyber-attack on the NHS.

:29:54.:29:54.

The Conservatives said they were already increasing health funding.

:29:55.:30:00.

Throughout the election campaign we'll be taking an in depth look

:30:01.:30:03.

at the key issues that are important to you.

:30:04.:30:05.

Today we're focussing on the economy and we'll be

:30:06.:30:07.

putting your questions live to Paul Johnson from the Institute

:30:08.:30:09.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This

:30:10.:30:15.

or text your questions to 61124 and you can email us as well

:30:16.:30:19.

A father has died after falling while walking with his daughter

:30:20.:30:25.

Rescue workers say the man, who's believed to be

:30:26.:30:28.

from the south of England, slipped on Tryfan in Snowdonia.

:30:29.:30:30.

He was airlifted to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

:30:31.:30:36.

President Trump has been urged to hand over any recordings

:30:37.:30:39.

of conversations between him and sacked FBI director

:30:40.:30:42.

Senior opposition politicians continue to pressure the president

:30:43.:30:46.

over allegations Russia meddled in last year's election.

:30:47.:30:48.

They warn destroying any tapes - if they exist -

:30:49.:30:50.

The new French President, Emmanuel Macron, is expected

:30:51.:30:58.

to name his Prime Minister today - on his first full day in office.

:30:59.:31:01.

Mr Macron, who was inaugurated as the country's youngest

:31:02.:31:03.

president yesterday, will also travel to Germany

:31:04.:31:05.

today for talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel.

:31:06.:31:20.

A 101-year-old war veteran has become the oldest person to complete

:31:21.:31:29.

a skydive. Verdun Hayes beats the previous record set by a man 35 days

:31:30.:31:33.

younger. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:31:34.:31:34.

News - more at 10.00. A quote from Matt, howling at your

:31:35.:31:44.

programme as you sing while driving around. Best bit of TV I have seen

:31:45.:31:49.

in a while. You are clearly easy easily pleased.

:31:50.:31:53.

Now the sport. Just a week left to go

:31:54.:31:56.

of the Premier League season and almost everything

:31:57.:31:59.

has been sorted. For Hull it's relegation after just

:32:00.:32:00.

a year in the top flight. They join Middlesbrough

:32:01.:32:03.

and Sunderland in going down after their 4-0 defeat

:32:04.:32:05.

at Crystal Palace, who along Spurs ended 118 years

:32:06.:32:07.

at White Hart Lane with a 2-1 win over Manchester United,

:32:08.:32:12.

and then a party, as they head to a new stadium just next door

:32:13.:32:14.

after a year at Wembley Lewis Hamilton pulls off a stunning

:32:15.:32:17.

passing move to beat Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel

:32:18.:32:20.

to the Spanish Grand Prix. The Mercedes driver is now just six

:32:21.:32:22.

points behind his rival And a crash on stage nine derails

:32:23.:32:25.

both Geraint Thomas and Adam Yates' chances of contending

:32:26.:32:29.

at the Giro d'Italia. They slipped from podium places

:32:30.:32:34.

to around five minutes behind Much more later on those are the

:32:35.:32:47.

headlines. Thank you.

:32:48.:32:50.

The NHS is expecting further problems with its computer systems

:32:51.:32:52.

today as thousands of staff log on for the first time

:32:53.:32:55.

since the discovery of a ransomware virus on Friday.

:32:56.:32:57.

Seven NHS organisations in England are still experiencing

:32:58.:32:59.

serious disruption - with hospital staff being forced

:33:00.:33:01.

to take images from X-rays and scans into operating theatres

:33:02.:33:03.

because they can't be sent by computer.

:33:04.:33:06.

There are particular concerns about GP surgeries which have been

:33:07.:33:08.

We can speak to Rob Holmes - he works for the

:33:09.:33:19.

US cyber-security firm Proofpoint - who helped find the kill switch

:33:20.:33:21.

Joseph Cox is a journalist for Motherboard, the tech section

:33:22.:33:24.

of Vice, and last year he uncovered that thousands of NHS computers

:33:25.:33:27.

were running on old, unsupported systems.

:33:28.:33:32.

And here to explain what's been happening is Kris McConkey -

:33:33.:33:35.

who runs the cyber security teams for the company PWC.

:33:36.:33:41.

Hello, everybody. Thank you. Chris, what do we now know the sure about

:33:42.:33:48.

this attack and what do we not know? What we know is this outbreak

:33:49.:33:52.

started on Friday. We started receiving calls from PWC -- at PWC

:33:53.:34:01.

from affected clients around at lunchtime. We have two things which

:34:02.:34:07.

have collided. The first is the actual ransomware threat which does

:34:08.:34:14.

what it says on the files, it holds people to ransom and costs

:34:15.:34:21.

approximately ?250,000 to fix. Most ransomware virus are distributed

:34:22.:34:33.

through opportunistic phising. What has happened in this case is the

:34:34.:34:41.

malware is self propagated. It is looking for vulnerable systems

:34:42.:34:45.

across the Internet. That is what has been happening since Friday. We

:34:46.:34:51.

know it has affected some are close to 100 countries, roughly 2000

:34:52.:34:54.

systems at the moment and we know the attackers have obtained at least

:34:55.:34:58.

?30,000 from people paying the ransom. What we do not know is who

:34:59.:35:07.

is precisely behind it. Rob, the hack was halted on Friday, because

:35:08.:35:14.

of a kill switch. Explain a little bit more about that? Again, it was

:35:15.:35:19.

fairly unique and so far there were embedded into the code was a call to

:35:20.:35:29.

a very seemingly random domain name, the domain name being BBC .com or

:35:30.:35:35.

whatever but this one was particularly obscure. What we

:35:36.:35:39.

discovered in conjunction with the cyber Security industry, what we

:35:40.:35:42.

discovered was this malware was unique insofar as it was making a

:35:43.:35:46.

call to this domain name. If the domain name was not registered, it

:35:47.:35:54.

would then go and execute, the exploit to propagate across the

:35:55.:35:58.

system. If the domain was registered it would actually stop there. So the

:35:59.:36:04.

problem was isolated. We helped to discover there was this kill switch

:36:05.:36:09.

and a gentleman known as malware tech registered that domain and

:36:10.:36:13.

effectively isolated the problem. What would have happened if it had

:36:14.:36:21.

not been located? Then exactly as Kris described, it would have

:36:22.:36:25.

continued to propagate and affected more networks and computers. Joseph,

:36:26.:36:30.

tell us what you uncovered last year and how worried people in the NHS

:36:31.:36:37.

should be? So mid last year, I sent Freedom of Information requests to

:36:38.:36:44.

all of the NHS trusts. 42 said they use Windows XP which is clearly an

:36:45.:36:49.

ancient operating system and many of those trusts also said that they do

:36:50.:36:53.

not receive or pay for security updates. That is not to say Windows

:36:54.:36:57.

XP was the reason this ransomware was so effective. There is still a

:36:58.:37:04.

lot of stuff which is unclear, but it is certainly indicative of the

:37:05.:37:09.

cyber security stance of a lot of NHS trusts, running outdated and

:37:10.:37:13.

secure software which leaves them totally open to attack. And from

:37:14.:37:17.

today will leave them open to attack and tomorrow and Wednesday and so on

:37:18.:37:21.

and so forth, until they spend a lot of money on updating their systems,

:37:22.:37:27.

presumably? Microsoft released a patch in March but that was only for

:37:28.:37:32.

operating systems eight etc. Microsoft has taken a really unusual

:37:33.:37:37.

step of publishing a patch for Windows XP and older versions as

:37:38.:37:41.

well. It is there, the NHS can go and get that patch right now, but it

:37:42.:37:45.

depends on whether they have done it or not. There are warnings that this

:37:46.:37:51.

virus could start spreading again today. Is that possible? I think

:37:52.:37:58.

that's highly likely. There will be a lot of people returning to work

:37:59.:38:04.

today who have not had the patches and whenever those systems come back

:38:05.:38:08.

online this morning there will probably be another wave of those

:38:09.:38:12.

reinfection is, particularly amongst corporate networks until all of

:38:13.:38:15.

their systems have the right patch is rolled out. I think it is

:38:16.:38:22.

inevitable. I think it is already happening. I think we are seeing new

:38:23.:38:28.

versions of the ransomware without the kill switch. People should be

:38:29.:38:33.

cautious about not only protecting themselves against those attacks but

:38:34.:38:36.

also making sure they don't fall foul of the secondary crime which is

:38:37.:38:41.

people selling defence against the attack which is already happening.

:38:42.:38:46.

Why would that be a crime? Because they are selling something which

:38:47.:38:51.

does not do what it really does. I think companies need to

:38:52.:38:53.

differentiate between something which has a bone of ID solution to

:38:54.:38:58.

the problem and somebody who is just selling vapourware. -- bona fides

:38:59.:39:05.

solution. How surprised where you, Joseph, when you found parts of the

:39:06.:39:10.

NHS were using those old systems? Not surprised at all, unfortunately.

:39:11.:39:17.

We have done similar investigations around police forces, particularly

:39:18.:39:21.

the Metropolitan Police and other government institutions. More

:39:22.:39:24.

broadly, plenty of government departments do use outdated software

:39:25.:39:29.

and systems, so unfortunately, not surprised that still the urgency

:39:30.:39:32.

that needs to be dealt with came across. And in terms of advice to

:39:33.:39:40.

companies to protect themselves, what would you say today, Chris?

:39:41.:39:47.

Let's start with advice about what they should not be doing. First of

:39:48.:39:51.

all, do not pay the ransom. Unless there is a threat to life then

:39:52.:39:57.

payment funds the ransomware colony. Microsoft has released patches to

:39:58.:40:01.

this which should be applied as an absolute priority, including taking

:40:02.:40:04.

the very unusual step of releasing patches for Windows XP. An secondary

:40:05.:40:09.

to that, there are some relatively straightforward and effective fixes

:40:10.:40:14.

about disabling outdated protocols on IT networks which are being

:40:15.:40:18.

exploited by this malware. In addition I would say we need to

:40:19.:40:22.

raise our general awareness of this. My mum and dad are now asking me

:40:23.:40:28.

what ransomware is. That is a good thing. It is, but I think people

:40:29.:40:34.

should exercise caution. We are not clear where the original infection

:40:35.:40:38.

took place or how it took place, but we do know that by and large

:40:39.:40:41.

ransomware is very much propagated by e-mail, so be cautious about

:40:42.:40:46.

opening that attachment from that individual who you are not sure who

:40:47.:40:50.

they are. Do you think we will find out who is behind this? Hearing it

:40:51.:40:56.

is not a nation state, that do you think we will find out? I think the

:40:57.:41:00.

one thing we can say with absolute certainty as events like this will

:41:01.:41:06.

do more than a lot of things to encourage very good collaboration

:41:07.:41:10.

internationally between law enforcement and intelligence

:41:11.:41:13.

agencies. Because people get scared and they need to do something?

:41:14.:41:17.

Whoever is behind this can put themselves on the radar now and they

:41:18.:41:22.

should expect to be hunted down. I would add to that. This is not just

:41:23.:41:27.

about the Metropolitan Police or the National Crime Agency, when you are

:41:28.:41:33.

affecting hospitals and Internet providers on a global scale, this is

:41:34.:41:36.

when intelligence agencies come in and whoever is behind the attack

:41:37.:41:40.

will be seriously hunted by these agencies. Seriously hunted, yes, of

:41:41.:41:46.

course, but will they find who is behind it? There are significant

:41:47.:41:51.

challenges. One is piecing together the friends that information that

:41:52.:41:55.

would trace it back to an IP address, but there are various

:41:56.:41:58.

mechanisms which the cyber criminal employed to hide their identity,

:41:59.:42:05.

including making the call to the command and control server that is

:42:06.:42:11.

the nerve centre of the attack. That is caught by a highly encrypted

:42:12.:42:15.

mechanism. There are things which will make it very difficult but

:42:16.:42:18.

there will be some pretty smart people working on this to bring them

:42:19.:42:23.

to justice. Thank you very much, all of you. And for those who want to

:42:24.:42:28.

learn more about protecting their PC, here are some tips.

:42:29.:42:34.

The global cyber attack shows how vulnerable we can be online but here

:42:35.:42:37.

are three things we can do to protect yourself. It can be annoying

:42:38.:42:50.

when your phone and says to install the latest updates but it is

:42:51.:42:54.

important to do that to patch any holes in your operating system.

:42:55.:42:59.

Don't click links an e-mail to not and don't download attachments you

:43:00.:43:04.

are not expecting. We should not say that by now but some people are

:43:05.:43:10.

still doing it. If you are running an old operating system which is no

:43:11.:43:14.

longer supported such as Windows XP, you might be more at risk from

:43:15.:43:17.

security problems, so try and upgrade if you can. There you go.

:43:18.:43:23.

Coming up, we'll have a look at who won what at last night's BAFTAs.

:43:24.:43:27.

Chelsea Manning - the former intelligence analyst is due

:43:28.:43:30.

to leave prison this week - after serving seven years of a 35

:43:31.:43:33.

year sentence for leaking hundreds of thousands of classified

:43:34.:43:35.

The decision to release Chelsea Manning -

:43:36.:43:38.

who was born Bradley - early was made by former US

:43:39.:43:41.

President Barack Obama - annoying the then Republican

:43:42.:43:43.

candidate Donald Trump who described her as "an ungrateful traitor".

:43:44.:43:47.

Our reporter Catrin Nye has been speaking exclusively

:43:48.:43:49.

She's obviously excited, she's nervous.

:43:50.:43:55.

Getting out of prison after a long incarceration is not as easy

:43:56.:44:00.

It will take her some time to adjust.

:44:01.:44:14.

She'll be fine and she's got a lot of resilience and a lot

:44:15.:44:18.

that she wants to do, I'm sure.

:44:19.:44:21.

She will start doing it as soon as she has a little bit of time

:44:22.:44:26.

For those people that might not be familiar

:44:27.:44:33.

with the whole background to this, tell me about Chelsea's time

:44:34.:44:36.

in prison, how long it's been and how difficult it's been?

:44:37.:44:39.

She's been in prison now almost seven years, almost seven years.

:44:40.:44:47.

And almost the first year, about 11 months, she was in solitary

:44:48.:44:52.

confinement at Quantico, which is a marine base in Virginia.

:44:53.:44:58.

It was a very, very difficult time for her and there was no reason

:44:59.:45:02.

As you may recall, the European repertoire on torture

:45:03.:45:07.

said that her conditions amounted to torture.

:45:08.:45:13.

It was right after she was sentenced she announced that she was a woman

:45:14.:45:17.

and then she started the transition process after she sued the Army.

:45:18.:45:28.

Ultimately she was given the transition hormones

:45:29.:45:37.

but they continued to fight about her hairline

:45:38.:45:41.

She was not allowed to grow her hair.

:45:42.:45:50.

So we are very relieved that she's out of prison and can

:45:51.:45:53.

finish her transition without the anxiety of constantly

:45:54.:45:54.

What stage is that transition at now?

:45:55.:45:58.

I don't remember when they started, but she has been receiving hormones

:45:59.:46:08.

and I don't know exactly what happens next but that will be

:46:09.:46:11.

And what about gender reassignment surgery?

:46:12.:46:14.

How she'll do it, what she'll do will be after she gets out.

:46:15.:46:18.

Fortunately she won't have to confront that in prison.

:46:19.:46:23.

Chelsea tried to take her own life in prison.

:46:24.:46:25.

How was that moment for you, as her lawyer?

:46:26.:46:29.

Learning that Chelsea had tried to kill herself was a horrible

:46:30.:46:32.

I mean, that's a moment of fragility that I hope nobody

:46:33.:46:41.

And then, for the prison to punish her because she interfered

:46:42.:46:47.

with the good order of the prison by attempting to kill herself

:46:48.:46:51.

and to punish her by putting her in solitary confinement

:46:52.:46:53.

where she tried again to kill herself was just outrageous.

:46:54.:47:01.

I can't think of anything work that the prison could have done

:47:02.:47:04.

to someone who was already showing tremendous depressional anxiety.

:47:05.:47:10.

It took President Obama until three days before he left

:47:11.:47:12.

Difficult pardons often come at the very end

:47:13.:47:22.

I think he had to think long and hard about it.

:47:23.:47:31.

We are very glad that he did. I think it touched the President.

:47:32.:47:35.

I think he realised how difficult her time had been.

:47:36.:47:38.

The other thing the President realised was that her sentence

:47:39.:47:40.

There's no whistleblower in American history who's been

:47:41.:47:46.

sentenced to anywhere near as long as Chelsea.

:47:47.:47:48.

I'm thrilled and really overjoyed that President Obama

:47:49.:47:50.

He is the first person in the military who actually took

:47:51.:47:57.

care of this soldier and it's been something that I've said since

:47:58.:48:01.

the beginning of this case that, the military in this country prides

:48:02.:48:04.

itself on taking care of its soldiers.

:48:05.:48:10.

They always say, we take care of our service members.

:48:11.:48:13.

Nobody ever took care of Chelsea when she was in the military

:48:14.:48:16.

until her Commander in Chief finally took care of her.

:48:17.:48:21.

That moment for me was incredible when he received the phone call.

:48:22.:48:27.

I screamed. I ran down the hall to find Vince.

:48:28.:48:29.

You know, it was an incredible moment.

:48:30.:48:37.

We didn't know until we actually heard from the President himself

:48:38.:48:44.

through his counsel that he'd commuted the sentence

:48:45.:48:46.

and it was literally two minutes before he went on television

:48:47.:48:51.

As soon as I got off the phone, it was all over the news.

:48:52.:48:59.

Chelsea did reveal classified information.

:49:00.:49:02.

Does she acknowledge that some punishment for that was needed?

:49:03.:49:08.

Chelsea pled guilty to some lesser counts at the very beginning of this

:49:09.:49:12.

case and acknowledged that she had slowest classified evidence.

:49:13.:49:22.

case and acknowledged that she had disclosed classified evidence.

:49:23.:49:25.

But she believed and we still believe that her disclosures

:49:26.:49:28.

were in the public interest and that the public had a right

:49:29.:49:31.

to know what she disclosed and that therefore she should not be

:49:32.:49:34.

subjected to this incredible punishment.

:49:35.:49:37.

And so yes, for you, what are the next stages

:49:38.:49:42.

Ultimately we could end up in the Supreme Court

:49:43.:49:46.

Chelsea has some very significant legal issues

:49:47.:49:49.

But it will continue with her by our side.

:49:50.:49:56.

It will make it so much easier because Chelsea's very

:49:57.:50:00.

She was active and tremendously helpful in us writing our brief

:50:01.:50:05.

and it would just be wonderful to do it with her.

:50:06.:50:10.

And away from the legal case, what does Chelsea want

:50:11.:50:12.

A big part of this will be continuing her transition.

:50:13.:50:17.

I look forward to working with this young woman who I've gotten to know

:50:18.:50:25.

and who I will get to know better now that we can walk

:50:26.:50:29.

Have a meal together outside of prison.

:50:30.:50:37.

You know, do those things that one does with people

:50:38.:50:39.

We'll be spending a lot of time together and I really

:50:40.:50:43.

And Chelsea Manning is due to be released on Wednesday.

:50:44.:50:51.

Chelsea Manning's mother released this statement, "I'm so proud of

:50:52.:50:57.

Chelsea and I'm delighted that she will be free again. I'm happy she

:50:58.:51:02.

will be staying in Maryland where she has family to look out for her.

:51:03.:51:10.

Chelsea is so intelligent and talented she has the chance to go to

:51:11.:51:16.

college and do whatever she wants. My message to Chelsea, go girl."

:51:17.:51:23.

News just in, it is to do with the cyber attack. In Lincolnshire there

:51:24.:51:28.

is a call out to you urging you not to go to your GP. That's from the

:51:29.:51:32.

director of the Lincolnshire Medical Committee. Do not go to your GP in

:51:33.:51:37.

Lincolnshire today unless it is an emergency. And that's because all

:51:38.:51:41.

the GPs computers are still shutdown. So they have no access to

:51:42.:51:45.

files or prescriptions or blood test results right across the county. So

:51:46.:51:49.

if you're in Lincolnshire, if you can, please don't go to the GP today

:51:50.:51:54.

unless it's an emergency. That's from the Director of The

:51:55.:51:59.

Lincolnshire medical committee. On a similar note, Jeremy Corbyn is

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saying today that Labour is going to spend an extra ?37 billion on the

:52:03.:52:06.

NHS in England over the next five years if his party wins power. He is

:52:07.:52:11.

due to speak in the next hour at the Royal College of Nursing annual

:52:12.:52:14.

conference where nurses are threat k to hold their first ever strike

:52:15.:52:19.

unless years of pay restraint are ended by whoever forms the next

:52:20.:52:24.

Government. A sum are of protests is being planned by the Royal College

:52:25.:52:27.

of Nursing which says it will ballot for industrial action unless a 1%

:52:28.:52:33.

cap on pay is removed. So what is life like for nurses on

:52:34.:52:38.

the frontline? Let's talk to Heidi who is in Lincoln and is about to

:52:39.:52:43.

rejoin the NHS as a nurse after a stint in the private sector. Hello

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Heidi. Good morning. And Nottingham Newman who has been Nair nurse for

:52:50.:52:54.

five years and has seen the strain on resources grow. Hi Sam? Hi

:52:55.:53:00.

Victoria. Why are you going back into the NHS Heidi? I believe in the

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NHS. That's why I became a nurse. You know, I've wanted to get in for

:53:07.:53:10.

a long time. They are at the point they are so desperate they are

:53:11.:53:15.

having to take into consideration mums that have kids, people who

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don't always have childcare which is my situation, they're taking from

:53:22.:53:24.

abroad, they're taking nurses that have retired and are coming back to

:53:25.:53:28.

practise. They need the nursesment they don't have anyone at the

:53:29.:53:33.

moment. We're a highly skilled set of people. I totally believe in the

:53:34.:53:38.

NHS. I want to go become to it the I want to be part of the team. We're a

:53:39.:53:43.

family at end of the day. I have been working in the NHS as a locum

:53:44.:53:48.

for the last five years, but that's not me, I want to be at the heart of

:53:49.:53:58.

it properly. Sam, as a nurse who is still relatively new what, do you

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see? I see lots of nurses working very hard and in extremely difficult

:54:04.:54:09.

conditions. We've never felt this busy. We a constantly looking for

:54:10.:54:15.

beds. Often we're having to nurse our sickest patients in really ib

:54:16.:54:18.

appropriate places, that might be in A, in a theatre environment or on

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the ward and often patients are moved hots just because there aren't

:54:23.:54:26.

enough intensive care beds for them in their hospital. Would you

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consider voting to take part in industrial action, Sam? I think,

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every nurse that I know will take a sharp intake of breath. It won't be

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particularly palatable for them. But we're being forced into a corner

:54:43.:54:48.

that we can't get out of. We've tried negotiating. We've tried

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telling people what it's really like. But people don't seem to be

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listening. Certainly the people who make those decisions. And releasing

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the restraint on pay would what, sort out the nurses shortage? It

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will certainly help, yes. We've had pay artificially capped at 1% or

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lower for the last seven years and the current administration prop

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Issed to do that until 2020. With increasing workloads, and increasing

:55:23.:55:26.

pressures at work, people still want to nurse, but often they can't

:55:27.:55:30.

afford to. You've heard of nurses that are taking second jobs, they're

:55:31.:55:36.

doing extra overtime and agency work and we know in London that there

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aren't enough nurses. In fact nationwide there are 40,000

:55:42.:55:44.

vacancies, so increasing pay will go some way to helping with

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recruitment, yes. Heidi, you're about to rejoin the NHS after a

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stint in the private sector. Can you imagine voting to take part in

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industrial action because of the pay restraint that has been in the NHS

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for the last few years? It's extremely difficult for any nurse or

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any doctor even when the doctors did it to do that, but we are being

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pushed to the limit. When I qualified eight years ago, it was a

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reasonably good wage. We're still at the same point of wage. I mean, I'm

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going to take a massive pay drop coming back in. You know, but they

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need us. They need the nurses. The problem is, them putting us in the

:56:23.:56:27.

pay bracket that we are now, we, like my childcare is ?45 a day. My

:56:28.:56:33.

colleagues, we all have you know extra jobs. There are several of us

:56:34.:56:37.

that we've got three jobs just trying to make ends meet and I do

:56:38.:56:41.

have colleagues that are using foodbanks. Do you? You actually know

:56:42.:56:47.

nurse who are using foodbanks? Yes, I've given some of my friends food

:56:48.:56:50.

because because they have been so desperate. We are at breaking point

:56:51.:56:57.

as a profession. We want to provide the care for people. That's what we

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do. That's what we're here for. But we also need to live ourselves. OK.

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Thank you both. Thank you very much. I really appreciate you coming on

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the programme. Cheers, thank you. Heidi who is about to rejoining the

:57:13.:57:18.

NHS as a nurse after being in the private sector and Sam Newman who

:57:19.:57:22.

has been an intensive care nurse for five years and Jeremy Corbyn is due

:57:23.:57:28.

to address the Royal College of Nursing college this morning and

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we'll give it to you live. The latest news and sport in a sec,

:57:34.:57:39.

but first the weather. Hi Matt. Rain is with us and what a morning it has

:57:40.:57:43.

been across many parts of the UK so far the scenes very similar to this

:57:44.:57:45.

one captured in Staffordshire earlier the the rain falling down.

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Some heavy bursts, but at least some of the gardeners, and the farlers

:57:50.:57:53.

and also some of our feathered friends are fairly happy about it,

:57:54.:57:58.

but for some, it signifies a big departure what we have seen of late,

:57:59.:58:03.

the hills of south-west and north-west England, you could see

:58:04.:58:07.

more rain in the next 24 hours than you've seen in the past six weeks.

:58:08.:58:13.

Just about all of us. Maybe Shetland the driest place of all, but across

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East Anglia and the South East where we started with sunshine, some

:58:18.:58:22.

owicational splashes of rain, always heaviest with a breeze across the

:58:23.:58:25.

western coasts and hills and that rain will spread across Scotland.

:58:26.:58:29.

Easing off a little bit in Northern Ireland where we have seen an Nigel

:58:30.:58:32.

Farage of rain, 25 mill peters since the early hours of the morning, but

:58:33.:58:36.

not completely rid of the showers, brightest towards the north coast.

:58:37.:58:39.

Sub shine this afternoon and in the breeze across the Moray Firth, could

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hit 20 or 21 Celsius. Contrast that with ten or 11 Celsius aconning the

:58:45.:58:55.

Angus coast. Occasional rain elsewhere across the south and the

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east. Wherever you are, temperatures on the you. Temperatures around 15,

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16 Celsius and they're not going to drop much tonight. The best of any

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breaks - but for most a cloud crisis night. Further rain at times. Misty

:59:12.:59:15.

across the west. And note the temperatures into tomorrow morning.

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Pretty mild and muggy start to your Tuesday morning with lows of 14 or

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15 Celsius. Still got weather fronts on the chart and a breeze to go into

:59:25.:59:28.

Tuesday. This cold front here will bring some of the heaviest bursts of

:59:29.:59:31.

rain working southwards and eastwards across England and Wales

:59:32.:59:34.

the only a few showers in East Anglia and the South East and it is

:59:35.:59:37.

here where the warmest of the air will be come. A few breaks in the

:59:38.:59:41.

cloud, we could see highs of 24 Celsius. Temperatures still in the

:59:42.:59:48.

high teens and maybe low 20s for one or two. So we've got the warmest

:59:49.:59:51.

weather on Tuesday towards the South East corner. This is where we will

:59:52.:59:55.

see the wettest weather as we go into Wednesday. Brightest to the

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north and the west. Turning to sunshine and showers. Feeling a good

:00:02.:00:05.

deal fresher as well and as we finish the week, it will be a case

:00:06.:00:09.

of low pressure with us. A bit of sunshine for all of us, but the key

:00:10.:00:13.

thing is it turns coolermenten joy your day.

:00:14.:00:15.

-- cooler, enjoy your day. Hello, it's Monday it's 10 o'clock,

:00:16.:00:25.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire. As thousands of NHS staff log

:00:26.:00:27.

on for the first time this morning since the discovery of a ransomware

:00:28.:00:30.

virus on Friday, there are warnings there could be

:00:31.:00:32.

further problems today. People in Lincolnshire are being

:00:33.:00:40.

told not to go to their GP unless it is an emergency. We are already

:00:41.:00:44.

seeing new versions of the ransomware without the kill switch.

:00:45.:00:48.

We will bring you the latest. The Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood

:00:49.:00:51.

has revealed she has gone through the menopause

:00:52.:00:53.

and that she has taken Have you ever taken illegal drugs?

:00:54.:01:04.

Yes, cannabis, a long time ago. When I was younger I tried a few things.

:01:05.:01:09.

I would rather not go into details but yes, I have.

:01:10.:01:25.

Oh the BAFTA goes to the Queen's 90th birthday. The BAFTA goes to the

:01:26.:01:33.

magnificent Sarah Lancashire. The BAFTA goes to Joanna Lumley! Our

:01:34.:01:41.

programme won a BAFTA for our footballers abuse story last year.

:01:42.:01:46.

We will talk to Andy Woodward in the next half an hour or so. If you have

:01:47.:01:54.

a message for him, do send it to me and I will read it to him.

:01:55.:02:01.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:02.:02:03.

The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd and Health Secretary,

:02:04.:02:05.

Jeremy Hunt will chair a Cobra meeting on cyber security later

:02:06.:02:08.

this morning as the computer virus which first hit the health service

:02:09.:02:11.

on Friday is reportedly still causing serious problems

:02:12.:02:13.

at a number NHS organisations - including hospitals - in England.

:02:14.:02:20.

The director of Lincolnshire medical committee has advised patients not

:02:21.:02:25.

to visit their GP unless it is an emergency and says all computer

:02:26.:02:28.

systems are shut down. North Korea says the missile it

:02:29.:02:32.

tested successfully on Sunday was a new type of rocket capable

:02:33.:02:35.

of carrying a nuclear warhead. This footage which has just been

:02:36.:02:38.

released by North Korean state TV shows the launch which took place

:02:39.:02:41.

over the weekend. The United States says it would be

:02:42.:02:43.

prepared to impose more sanctions on the country if it continues

:02:44.:02:46.

to test ballistic missiles. The North Korean news agency said

:02:47.:02:48.

leader Kim Jong-Un personally Theresa May will today promise

:02:49.:02:51.

the biggest expansion of workers' rights of any Conservative

:02:52.:02:57.

administration - if her party wins The Prime Minister will outline

:02:58.:02:59.

a series of pledges including worker representation on company boards

:03:00.:03:06.

and the legal right to take leave Labour has dismissed the plans

:03:07.:03:10.

saying Mrs May is Labour says they will spend an extra

:03:11.:03:14.

?37 billion on the NHS in England over the next five years -

:03:15.:03:21.

if they win power. The party's "new deal"

:03:22.:03:24.

for the health service includes a pledge to take a million people

:03:25.:03:26.

off waiting lists and to upgrade IT systems following

:03:27.:03:30.

the cyber-attack on the NHS. The Conservatives said they were

:03:31.:03:33.

already increasing health funding. Throughout the election campaign

:03:34.:03:39.

we'll be taking an in depth look at the key issues that

:03:40.:03:42.

are important to you. Today we're focussing

:03:43.:03:44.

on the economy and we'll be putting your questions live

:03:45.:03:47.

to Paul Johnson from the Institute You can get in touch via Twitter

:03:48.:03:49.

using the hashtag BBC Ask This or text your questions to 61124

:03:50.:03:53.

and you can email us as well President Trump has been urged

:03:54.:03:57.

to hand over any recordings of conversations between him

:03:58.:04:11.

and sacked FBI director Senior opposition politicians

:04:12.:04:13.

continue to pressure the president over allegations Russia meddled

:04:14.:04:17.

in last year's election. They warn destroying any

:04:18.:04:19.

tapes - if they exist - That's a summary of the latest BBC

:04:20.:04:21.

News - more at 11.00. Do get in touch with us

:04:22.:04:35.

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:04:36.:04:37.

and If you text, you will be charged Sport and he was back. Hello, once

:04:38.:04:40.

again, good morning. Hull City manager Marco Silva sez

:04:41.:04:45.

he will meet with the club about his future following their relegation

:04:46.:04:48.

from the Premier League. They needed a win to give them any

:04:49.:04:50.

realistic chance of survival, but made the worst possible start

:04:51.:04:53.

conceding after two minutes, The result keeps Crystal Palace

:04:54.:04:56.

in the league, but sees Hull drop back down to the championship

:04:57.:05:02.

after just a year, and with no idea if their manager will stay

:05:03.:05:05.

on to lead the team next season. It is a sad day for us for our fans,

:05:06.:05:19.

for our boys. It is not a good moment. Now was the moment the club

:05:20.:05:25.

needs the next step and has to understand why this happened and why

:05:26.:05:30.

the club is having many problems this season.

:05:31.:05:32.

Tottenham celebrated their final game at White Hart Lane with a 2-1

:05:33.:05:35.

win against Manchester United, who now can't qualify for

:05:36.:05:37.

Spurs made the perfect start thanks to an early goal

:05:38.:05:41.

That secures them second in the table.

:05:42.:05:45.

Next season they'll play their home games at Wembley

:05:46.:05:47.

Now it's the kind of high-speed overtaking move that makes

:05:48.:05:55.

Trailing Sebastian Vettel despite starting on pole

:05:56.:05:57.

Lewis Hamilton pulled off a pass at around 220 miles per hour to go

:05:58.:06:02.

by the Ferrari driver about two thirds of the way through,

:06:03.:06:05.

and eventually go on to win and reduce Vettel's lead

:06:06.:06:07.

It's already becoming a classic season.

:06:08.:06:12.

Hamilton and Vettel have two wins each so far.

:06:13.:06:17.

Hopes of a first British winner of cycling's Giro d'Italia

:06:18.:06:20.

are effectively over after a crash on the ninth stage.

:06:21.:06:24.

Team Sky's Geraint Thomas and Orica-Scott's Adam Yates

:06:25.:06:26.

were both caught up in a collision with a stationary police motorbike

:06:27.:06:29.

on the roadside nine miles from the finish.

:06:30.:06:32.

The pair, who were second and third going into Sunday's stage -

:06:33.:06:35.

now trail new overall leader Nairo Quintana by five minutes.

:06:36.:06:44.

A pretty bruising sport when it does not go your way. Headlines coming up

:06:45.:06:52.

at 10:30am. Thank you. Let me read some more

:06:53.:06:58.

comments. This from Pauline who says she was refreshed, that is not quite

:06:59.:07:02.

the right word, she was pleased to see Leanne Wood the leader of Plaid

:07:03.:07:06.

Cymru answering in a refreshingly open manner in our interview. She

:07:07.:07:11.

said it impressed me immensely. I wish more MPs would own up to not

:07:12.:07:15.

knowing rather than blustering and blundering and trying to evade the

:07:16.:07:20.

question. And another person says thanks Leanne Wood for being so

:07:21.:07:25.

honest, so refreshing among the current sound bite politicians. One

:07:26.:07:30.

or two of you are wondering how it is possible to drive and concentrate

:07:31.:07:35.

on other things at the same time. It is multitasking. Women do it all the

:07:36.:07:37.

time. Labour and the conservatives

:07:38.:07:39.

are due to launch their manifestos this week -

:07:40.:07:41.

setting out their priorities and promises should they win

:07:42.:07:43.

the general election This morning they've been setting

:07:44.:07:45.

out a little bit more detail on workers' rights and the NHS -

:07:46.:07:48.

and our political guru He is in Liverpool at the Royal

:07:49.:07:57.

College of Nursing conference. Jeremy Corbyn is set to address the

:07:58.:08:02.

conference later. What we get today's Labour's biggest promise of

:08:03.:08:06.

the election campaign. They say they will spend ?37 billion on pumping

:08:07.:08:10.

money into the NHS, to cut waiting times by a million, and they will

:08:11.:08:15.

also introduce a whole load of new targets. If you have a serious

:08:16.:08:19.

injury you would have to be seen in A by one hour and they want to

:08:20.:08:21.

halve the amount of time for Cancer referrals. Big, big

:08:22.:08:38.

promises by Labour on the NHS. We will also hear from the Lib Dem

:08:39.:08:40.

leader Tim Farron and he will talk about ending the pay cap in the

:08:41.:08:43.

health service, and he will also reiterate on how the Lib Dems would

:08:44.:08:46.

look to put a penny on income tax to pay for big changes in the NHS. A

:08:47.:08:49.

lot about the NHS from the two main opposition parties. It is worth

:08:50.:08:51.

saying that the government's spending watchdog the National Audit

:08:52.:08:54.

Office said just for the NHS to stand still they would need an extra

:08:55.:08:59.

?56 billion. That underlines the scale of the challenge facing the

:09:00.:09:03.

NHS. We are an ageing population. Even though both opposition parties

:09:04.:09:08.

are promising more money, that may not be enough. And the Conservatives

:09:09.:09:12.

today are talking about workers' rights, guaranteeing workers'

:09:13.:09:16.

rights. You do not really think of having that in the same sentence,

:09:17.:09:21.

Conservatives, workers' rights. Extraordinary in many ways. I cannot

:09:22.:09:33.

recall a Conservative Party going into an election making a big deal

:09:34.:09:36.

about workers' rights but that is what Theresa May is trying to do.

:09:37.:09:38.

She has come forward with a package of measures saying if you have a

:09:39.:09:41.

sick relative you could take a year off and your job would be guaranteed

:09:42.:09:44.

at the end of it. She also says if you have a child who dies you should

:09:45.:09:47.

be allowed reasonably. If you want to know more about decisions

:09:48.:09:50.

companies are making you should have a right to certain key bits of

:09:51.:09:54.

information and additional protection for people working in the

:09:55.:09:59.

so-called gig economy. That is extraordinary for a Conservative

:10:00.:10:02.

Party. A lot of people will say that is fine and dandy but pay is under

:10:03.:10:04.

pressure, austerity is coming on, this basic

:10:05.:10:22.

nuts and bolts of your working life, that will not change much but it

:10:23.:10:25.

does seem as if Mrs May is trying to encroach on what is traditional

:10:26.:10:27.

Labour territory. We have seen that with a number of her ideas. We saw

:10:28.:10:30.

her suggestion of a cap on energy prices interfering with the free

:10:31.:10:32.

market which the Tories have traditionally stood up for. And at

:10:33.:10:35.

the weekend she said local authorities should be able to buy

:10:36.:10:38.

land at below market rate to build council houses. Some of the papers

:10:39.:10:46.

are fairing to her as red May. We will get reaction to the various

:10:47.:10:54.

announcements today. We have been highlighting the best gas or clock

:10:55.:10:57.

up so far. We need a general election and we need one now. To

:10:58.:11:04.

every city and town we state... Our clear intention. About the future of

:11:05.:11:12.

the country. The question is this... Are voters getting tired of

:11:13.:11:21.

politicians? Let me finish. So you know politicians often dodge

:11:22.:11:25.

answering questions. I guess we have got used to that but what about the

:11:26.:11:29.

quickfire easy questions which are meant to give people a sense of who

:11:30.:11:34.

politicians are? I have to say politicians do not seem to be any

:11:35.:11:38.

better at that. In the last election Gordon Brown was asked on Mumsnet

:11:39.:11:42.

what his favourite biscuit was. Everybody knows what their favourite

:11:43.:11:47.

biscuit is that Gordon Brown was asked five times, he did not answer

:11:48.:11:51.

five times and the next day his press office put out an answer

:11:52.:11:54.

saying he liked something with chocolate on it. What is that?! It

:11:55.:11:59.

could be a chocolate finger, a digestive or edge advocate. It does

:12:00.:12:05.

not mean anything. Theresa May had quickfire questions from students. I

:12:06.:12:12.

have to say, really, we got no answers. We will have the questions

:12:13.:12:13.

on screen. The answer was she had not seen

:12:14.:12:32.

either programme. To the second question she answered depends. An

:12:33.:12:37.

Indian or Chinese takeaway she said, I do not have taken ways, I cook.

:12:38.:12:42.

Theresa May, you are telling us nothing.

:12:43.:12:48.

This is why I am convinced this is one of the most boring elections we

:12:49.:12:51.

have ever covered! What else have you got, Norman? She does not do

:12:52.:13:00.

herself any favours. I also like this picture of Jeremy Corbyn with a

:13:01.:13:12.

little DAX -- actioned. A little dog. Someone put the dog up to him,

:13:13.:13:17.

I think he's called Cody. It looks like he's asking him a difficult

:13:18.:13:22.

question. Another question what are you a cat person or a dog person? It

:13:23.:13:31.

depends! I like both. Thank you very much, Norman. That is a Theresa May

:13:32.:13:35.

answer. Absolutely! Lets get reaction from people. What

:13:36.:13:54.

about workers' rights? Roger, you are a conservative voter. I am a

:13:55.:14:03.

Conservative voter. I think now is a perfect opportunity to try part of

:14:04.:14:07.

the electorate who would not traditionally have thought about

:14:08.:14:11.

voting for the party. I think workers' rights are good for

:14:12.:14:14.

business so I think the Conservatives come around to that,

:14:15.:14:18.

there is a link there to provide good policies that workers would

:14:19.:14:26.

like. Carers leave, I think naturally a lot of people will like

:14:27.:14:31.

that. Not necessarily if you or a boss. We have had maternity leave,

:14:32.:14:36.

shared parental leave and a lot of bosses come around to that. Carers'

:14:37.:14:41.

leave, I think naturally businesses will warm to the idea. Who else

:14:42.:14:47.

would trust Theresa May when it comes to guaranteeing workers'

:14:48.:14:52.

rights? No way! Look at when they tried to ban striking. They are not

:14:53.:14:56.

to be trusted when it comes to workers. This is purely a tactic to

:14:57.:15:00.

try and steal more working-class Labour voters in my opinion. Where I

:15:01.:15:05.

come from, I come from up north, we feel like we are being abandoned by

:15:06.:15:09.

Labour so it is only right that the Conservative Party to try and pick

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up those seats. It might be an open clap adverts but it is something

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that I support. Workers' rights are great.

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Julie is a teacher. She is in Essex and Wayne runs his own business and

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is in Dunstable, hi Wayne. You run your own business, do you employ

:15:30.:15:35.

people? Is it just you? Currently it's just me and a few subject

:15:36.:15:39.

contractors, but this sort of legislation is one of the reasons

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why we don't employ because it just, for a small business it would be

:15:44.:15:46.

unpracticable to have someone to have a year off and keep a job safe.

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Right, OK. So we steer away from employing and basically it stops our

:15:54.:15:58.

growth of the business. Right. Julie, what would your view be on

:15:59.:16:02.

the Conservatives saying that they're going to safeguard workers

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rights and introduce new things, would you trust them on that? I

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wouldn't trust it until I see it to be honest. I don't feel that they

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have a history of supporting workers. And yeah, I think it's just

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another one of those things just to grab those extra votes from those

:16:19.:16:23.

people who would normally vote Labour or are unsure. Who do people

:16:24.:16:28.

trust when it comes to the NHS? The Conservatives. You trust the NHS?

:16:29.:16:32.

Yes. Is that the sail for everybody? Not at all. I think if anything, the

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Lib Dems idea on how to progress with the NHS is better because

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they've set out, we'll do a one pence tax increase and everything

:16:45.:16:49.

from that will go to the NHS, but Labour are throwing out numbers and

:16:50.:16:53.

reducing wait times to an hour. It's never going to happen. They say this

:16:54.:16:59.

is what Labour are announcing today, Jeremy Corbyn is due it speak, we'll

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cross to it live, ?37 billion over the course of the next Parliament

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for the NHS, paid for by raising income tax on those who earn

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?80,000. Let's tax the people who are doing well. Would you not want

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that, if it meant money going to the NHS, Wayne? Of course, we should

:17:20.:17:24.

fund the NHS as much as possible, but again, you're increasing woshers

:17:25.:17:29.

rights and you've got Corbyn saying about taxing people who are doing

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well. There has to be a fine balance, of course, but Labour just

:17:33.:17:35.

seem it attack anybody that's getting on, trying to get grab

:17:36.:17:40.

themselves from below working class to getting higher up and ?80,000,

:17:41.:17:46.

yeah, it's a lot of mub, but you key taxing these type of people and they

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won't be interested in earning more money. There has to be move

:17:50.:17:54.

investment in the NHS Trust infrastructure, did you see not the

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cyber attack? That's a direct result of the Tories cuts, last year the

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Tories took ?1 billion from the capital budget. The infrastructure

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has to be invested in otherwise we will see more crisises. The cuts are

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only there because of the overspending in the 20000s. The

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Conservatives say they've ring-fenced health spending. You're

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a Lib Dem supporter The broad issue here is where Corbyn's policy would

:18:26.:18:30.

bring in more money? If you push taxes up too high then Government

:18:31.:18:34.

revenue deceases and I think what Tim Farron said, putting a penny on

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the income tax is a moderate way about going about it? So it's all

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right for the Leles to put up taxes and not Labour? A penny on income

:18:42.:18:46.

tax is a modest increase, but if you're looking, as the Conservatives

:18:47.:18:50.

talk about going back to the 70s, and when you sort of reform the tax

:18:51.:18:56.

system, one good thing the Thatcher Government did is Government

:18:57.:19:00.

revenues go up, when you look at the NHS issue as a whole and have the

:19:01.:19:04.

conversations, a lot of people are sick and tired of it being used as a

:19:05.:19:08.

political football and not which party has the best policy? You need

:19:09.:19:14.

to look at the people who are involved and remember the humanity

:19:15.:19:17.

involved, we're dealing with lives as well as unless and I think

:19:18.:19:21.

increasing pay is a great thing to do. I think the cap, the 1% cap by

:19:22.:19:26.

the Tories is insulting, the president-elect workers are the

:19:27.:19:29.

lifeblood of our country. Both Labour and the Lib Dems said they

:19:30.:19:35.

would end the 1% cap on president-elect workers? Maybe not

:19:36.:19:39.

100% on where Labour is going it get the money, I think that pay rise is

:19:40.:19:44.

something that I definitely support. There is a certain sense of like

:19:45.:19:50.

unrealism from these governments that... From which governments?

:19:51.:19:56.

From... From all the parties? From Labour and the Lib Dems. They're go

:19:57.:19:59.

against everything that the Conservatives say. The Conservatives

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put a cap on it. They can discuss how realistic it maybe and how it

:20:04.:20:06.

might be neededment Labour is always going to go against it because

:20:07.:20:11.

that's what they do. Certainly in a general election campaign, whatever

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promise a party makes the other parties completely rubbish it and

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then often several years later, take that policy for themselves. I'm

:20:20.:20:25.

going to pause you there because Jeremy Corbyn is speaking in

:20:26.:20:28.

Liverpool at the RCN conference. Here he is. And in our National

:20:29.:20:32.

Health Service for all the work that you do and the way that you often

:20:33.:20:38.

get criticised, but in fact, people working in the National Health

:20:39.:20:41.

Service because they love their work, they love the profession, and

:20:42.:20:45.

they basically do it because they want us all to be healthy. So thank

:20:46.:20:49.

you all very much indeed for everything you do.

:20:50.:20:55.

APPLAUSE And our politicians owe you a great

:20:56.:21:01.

duty. A duty to ensure that you can work with dignity and that you're

:21:02.:21:05.

not held back from providing the best possible standard of service to

:21:06.:21:11.

all of your patients because I do understand the stress that so many

:21:12.:21:16.

of you go through every day. I talk frequently to local GPs in my own

:21:17.:21:20.

area as well as nurses in my local hospital and I have worked in the

:21:21.:21:23.

past in the trade unions in the National Health Service. And so, I

:21:24.:21:29.

want to outline to you today what Labour wants to offer to you in the

:21:30.:21:35.

general election. We're ready to step in and save the NHS from the

:21:36.:21:39.

cuts and privatisation that have happened over the past seven years.

:21:40.:21:46.

Every day I'm, I ensure that our general election team is fully aware

:21:47.:21:50.

of the importance of the National Health Service. At our headquarters

:21:51.:21:55.

in London the walls are decorated with original posters from the 1940s

:21:56.:22:02.

saying Labour's Health Service covers everyone and the Tories voted

:22:03.:22:08.

against it. Nothing embodies our campaign theme for the many, not the

:22:09.:22:11.

few, better than the National Health Service. Universal life long

:22:12.:22:17.

healthcare, free at the point of need. However, our Health Service is

:22:18.:22:23.

actually being dismantled by stealth. Over the past seven years

:22:24.:22:28.

our National Health Service has been driven into crisis after crisis. A

:22:29.:22:34.

departments struggling to cope. Waiting lists soaring. And we saw

:22:35.:22:41.

last week the Tory cuts have exposed patients services to cyber attack. I

:22:42.:22:47.

want to pay a huge tribute to all the NHS staff and the ware they

:22:48.:22:50.

responded to this terrible cyber attack. The stress you must have

:22:51.:22:55.

faced trying to keep patients safe must have been intense and still is.

:22:56.:23:01.

This is just another example of the extraordinary lengths all of you go

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to every day to keep our country healthy.

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APPLAUSE I was talking to doctors and nurses

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at the hospital in Great Yarmouth on Saturday. Like many all its

:23:18.:23:21.

operations had been cancelled because of the cyber attack. Frankly

:23:22.:23:25.

the cyber attack is highway robbery against all of us. We have to have

:23:26.:23:31.

investment in our NHS to protect all the systems so we're not held to

:23:32.:23:36.

ransom by criminals who are doing us all damage and doing us all down.

:23:37.:23:40.

You stepped up to try to protect our patients. Thank you very much for

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what you did. APPLAUSE

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Our NHS is under threat from privatisation which was brought in

:23:53.:23:57.

by the Health and Social Care Act. The privatisation has gone on a huge

:23:58.:24:03.

scale. ?13 billion of taxpayers money handed over the last year to

:24:04.:24:08.

private companies to profit from our NHS services. Bevan said of the

:24:09.:24:16.

National Health Service it will only last as long as there are folk with

:24:17.:24:23.

faith left to fight for it. I say to everyone, remember those words,

:24:24.:24:28.

those pressing words and in all my life, I have been involved in

:24:29.:24:31.

campaigns to support and defend the National Health Service. And I know

:24:32.:24:38.

what every hospital has friends. Every GPs surgeries has friends.

:24:39.:24:41.

Minister millions of people in this country who are utterly determined

:24:42.:24:45.

to defend the principle of a National Health Service free at the

:24:46.:24:49.

point of use for everybody in our society. We're here in Nye's legacy.

:24:50.:25:01.

APPLAUSE And in hospitals, health centres and

:25:02.:25:05.

communities all cross the land there are many people who are listening

:25:06.:25:09.

very carefully to this election and thinking very carefully about their

:25:10.:25:13.

future. People for whom working in the NHS is a privilege, and a

:25:14.:25:19.

pleasure. Like so many, in public service everywhere, people work in

:25:20.:25:23.

it and believe in the principles of the NHS. A service like no other.

:25:24.:25:30.

Not a service which checks your bank balance before it checks your blood

:25:31.:25:35.

pressure. I'm always astonished-I talk to people from the United

:25:36.:25:40.

States. We talk to each other in a normal way about each other's

:25:41.:25:42.

health, that's the normal conversation. Man in the United

:25:43.:25:47.

States talk about the quality of the private health insurance they've

:25:48.:25:50.

got. They lack what we have which is one of the most civilised things

:25:51.:25:53.

about our country, that is our National Health Service. We are

:25:54.:25:58.

utterly determined to defend it. APPLAUSE

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I wanted to say something about the state of nursing. Britain is not

:26:07.:26:12.

being run for the many, it's not being run for the majority and

:26:13.:26:16.

across our country I believe people are being held back. If you're a

:26:17.:26:22.

student nurse, without a bursary, doing a second job, to make ends

:26:23.:26:29.

meet, you're being held back. If you worry about your children because

:26:30.:26:33.

they can't get together a deposit for a home or afford the deposit to

:26:34.:26:38.

rent a private place then you're being held back. If you manage a

:26:39.:26:43.

ward in a hospital, and you can't free up beds because of the cuts in

:26:44.:26:48.

social care, then you have a problem. The Government is holding

:26:49.:26:54.

you back. Stopping you from doing properly the job you were trained

:26:55.:27:00.

and proud to do. We are the sixth ripest country in the world. It

:27:01.:27:04.

cannot be right that we have these problems. It cannot be right that

:27:05.:27:10.

trained nurses are leaving the profession for other jobs. It cannot

:27:11.:27:15.

be right that tax given aways for the very rich and big business have

:27:16.:27:21.

been put in front of the needs of funding our National Health Service,

:27:22.:27:27.

social care, and proper treatment for all NHS staff.

:27:28.:27:32.

STUDIO: OK, let's leave Jeremy Corbyn.

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Some reaction from you. I think the biggest problem with Jeremy Corbyn

:27:39.:27:42.

and this speech is he's looking backwards.s' talking about the past.

:27:43.:27:45.

He mentioned the poster of the 1940s NHS. We know he's looking forwards

:27:46.:27:50.

and promising ?37 billion for the next Parliament... He hasn't laid

:27:51.:27:53.

out any plans. We have seen in the leaked draft this is what they want

:27:54.:27:59.

to do, but I think we're waiting to hear Their manifesto is how.

:28:00.:28:02.

Tomorrow. They keep saying it will be fully costed and it will be in

:28:03.:28:05.

the manifesto so we'll fund out tomorrow. How do you cost that?

:28:06.:28:09.

Because Labour has already said it's not going to tax anyone earning less

:28:10.:28:13.

than ?80,000. Yes, corporation tax is going to go up to 26% by 2022,

:28:14.:28:20.

but ?37 billion, it is not costed. He talks about privatisation of the

:28:21.:28:23.

NHS by stealth. Well, that sounds like the destruction of the United

:28:24.:28:27.

Kingdom by stealth if you ask me. You see that the NHS under the

:28:28.:28:31.

Conservatives has been in huge crisis. You see the junior doctors

:28:32.:28:35.

marching on protest and the Conservatives have had seven years

:28:36.:28:40.

to prove that they were behind the NHS and were planning to reorganise

:28:41.:28:45.

it and have a big formation and they just haven't. But say what you will

:28:46.:28:52.

will investing ?10 million by 2022, at least that's a realistic figure,

:28:53.:28:55.

that something that's costed. This however, is just restoric. Wayne,

:28:56.:29:01.

you want to get in here. Go on. It's all right plebleging all this money,

:29:02.:29:06.

but until we see some facts that show where the money can come from,

:29:07.:29:11.

it's just hot air and that's all Jeremy seems to deliver is hot air

:29:12.:29:14.

promises that the only way to sustain that is by borrowing and

:29:15.:29:19.

look where that got us last time. I think he shot himself in the foot

:29:20.:29:22.

here because he has come out with grand gesture of this amount of

:29:23.:29:28.

money and thens' going on I have to explain how we'll get it later. He

:29:29.:29:32.

shot himself in the foot, we think he has got some under hand New

:29:33.:29:39.

Labour tax that is going ahead. The Leles said one pence. No, he said

:29:40.:29:44.

how they'd pay for it. You mean for the ?37 billion? Yes. Taxing people

:29:45.:29:51.

who earn over ?80,000 and reversing the cuts in corporation tax. The

:29:52.:29:59.

Barnett Formula as well. The Tories have proved they're incompetent when

:30:00.:30:02.

it comes to dealing with the NHS. It is time that Labour took the reigns

:30:03.:30:06.

and made a difference. The NHS is always in crisis. It always has

:30:07.:30:10.

been. It's not Labour. It's not the Conservatives. It's this country. We

:30:11.:30:13.

need to have a national conversation about how we use the NHS. We are

:30:14.:30:18.

reliant upon it to the point of death. It is there to take care of

:30:19.:30:23.

us, but it is not to take care of us whenever we're obese and not there

:30:24.:30:31.

to take care of us because we smoke. Julie what, do you think? I just

:30:32.:30:35.

think from the speech, I think the principles of what he's saying are,

:30:36.:30:39.

you know, great, the fact that he's talking about the are the for the

:30:40.:30:43.

people who work every day in a service that is completely stretched

:30:44.:30:48.

and they're having to manage things that, you know, that are thrown at

:30:49.:30:52.

them every day as well as do their job and I think it's really

:30:53.:30:56.

important to think about, actually these people who are getting the

:30:57.:31:02.

public service workers, they are the people that keep us going and if we

:31:03.:31:06.

don't invest in them, they are the backbone of the country.

:31:07.:31:13.

You know and some people have brought it up, Labour have a

:31:14.:31:18.

reputation for spending and not knowing how they will pay for

:31:19.:31:21.

things, are you finding the explanations about how they will pay

:31:22.:31:26.

for things credible? Yes. Have the Tories increased the debt? Yes, they

:31:27.:31:32.

have. So what is the difference between what Labour are doing and

:31:33.:31:38.

the Tories are doing? The national debt has gone up substantially since

:31:39.:31:43.

2010. But if you look at borrowing levels last month, after the budget

:31:44.:31:48.

borrowing levels fell for the first time to levels seen below the

:31:49.:31:53.

crisis. But the country still has a ?50 billion deficit which the

:31:54.:31:56.

Conservatives have promised to pay off on a number of times and it is

:31:57.:32:02.

still there and debt continues to rise. It is continuing to rise but I

:32:03.:32:07.

don't see any way that Labour will address this in a secure way. And

:32:08.:32:12.

they have no intentions to address this. So debt under the

:32:13.:32:19.

Conservatives is OK but under Labour it is not? Not at all but at least

:32:20.:32:24.

we are honest about where we want to go. Under Labour, the policies they

:32:25.:32:28.

are proposing will increase debt even further. There will be more

:32:29.:32:33.

borrowing. There has to be some sort of Ulster are to put overall,

:32:34.:32:37.

underneath the Conservatives, we are trying to be honest with the public

:32:38.:32:40.

and say it will be a hard road ahead, but this is what we intend to

:32:41.:32:45.

do. With Labour they throw things out. Do you know what Theresa May is

:32:46.:32:52.

intending to do? What do you think she has promised? Look at some of

:32:53.:32:55.

the workers' rights she has promised. I think she is coming from

:32:56.:33:00.

a very genuine, honest leader and she is putting out their... What

:33:01.:33:05.

about the deficit and the debt? Do you have an idea apart from these

:33:06.:33:08.

strong and stable economy mantra, do you have an idea of what a

:33:09.:33:14.

Conservative Theresa May government would do with the economy? I think

:33:15.:33:19.

she is very conscious that she does not want to make it hard for people

:33:20.:33:22.

but the fact is the debt is still there and she will have to address

:33:23.:33:26.

the debt in the long run. And she can only do that if she clears the

:33:27.:33:32.

deficit. You don't help the situation by taxing and increasing

:33:33.:33:37.

costs to small businesses which are the backbone of Great Britain. The

:33:38.:33:41.

butcher cannot afford to add all these workers' rights into his

:33:42.:33:45.

campaign. I am a plumber. I cannot afford to have a skilled plumber for

:33:46.:33:50.

a year. It is impossible. Without companies like mine and small

:33:51.:33:55.

businesses growing, you cannot pay back the deficit. Nothing will grow.

:33:56.:33:59.

That is interesting. Thank you, Wayne, Julie and all of you in the

:34:00.:34:03.

studio. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:34:04.:34:06.

We're going to be in Bedfordshire on Monday, 29th May for a big

:34:07.:34:09.

If you would like to join us, send us an e-mail.

:34:10.:34:36.

This news just in and it is to do with the NHS cyber attack. It is

:34:37.:34:43.

from the National Crime Agency. They have just tweeted, if you are a

:34:44.:34:48.

victim of ransomware, do not pay. There is no guarantee that access to

:34:49.:34:54.

your files will be restored. That is to do with the cyber attack on

:34:55.:35:02.

Friday. Do not pay, say the National Crime Agency. Still to come...

:35:03.:35:10.

As you can see we won a BAFTA on our footballers abuse story. Andy

:35:11.:35:19.

Woodward spoke out and led to hundreds of others coming forward.

:35:20.:35:20.

We will speak to him later. We'll be talking about

:35:21.:35:22.

the controversial teen suicide drama that has prompted warnings

:35:23.:35:25.

from schools to parents. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:35:26.:35:28.

with a summary of today's news. The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd

:35:29.:35:31.

and Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt will chair a Cobra

:35:32.:35:33.

meeting on cyber security later this morning as the computer virus

:35:34.:35:36.

which first hit the health service on Friday is reportedly

:35:37.:35:38.

still causing serious problems at a number NHS organisations -

:35:39.:35:40.

including hospitals - in England. The director of Lincolnshire medical

:35:41.:35:48.

committee has advised patients not to visit their GP unless it is

:35:49.:35:53.

an emergency and says CT and MRI scans across

:35:54.:36:09.

Northumberland have also been cancelled today.

:36:10.:36:13.

North Korea says the missile it tested successfully on Sunday

:36:14.:36:15.

was a new type of rocket capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

:36:16.:36:18.

This footage which has just been released by North Korean state TV

:36:19.:36:21.

shows the launch which took place over the weekend.

:36:22.:36:23.

The United States says it would be prepared to impose more sanctions

:36:24.:36:26.

on the country if it continues to test ballistic missiles.

:36:27.:36:28.

The North Korean news agency said leader Kim Jong-Un personally

:36:29.:36:30.

Theresa May will today promise the biggest expansion of workers'

:36:31.:36:34.

rights of any Conservative administration - if her party wins

:36:35.:36:36.

The Prime Minister will outline a series of pledges including worker

:36:37.:36:40.

representation on company boards and the legal right to take leave

:36:41.:36:43.

Labour has dismissed the plans saying Mrs May is

:36:44.:36:46.

Labour says they will spend an extra ?37 billion on the NHS in England

:36:47.:36:54.

over the next five years - if they win power.

:36:55.:36:57.

The party's "new deal" for the health service includes

:36:58.:36:59.

a pledge to take a million people off waiting lists and to upgrade

:37:00.:37:02.

IT systems following the cyber-attack on the NHS.

:37:03.:37:05.

The Conservatives said they were already increasing health funding.

:37:06.:37:11.

Throughout the election campaign we'll be taking an in depth look

:37:12.:37:14.

at the key issues that are important to you.

:37:15.:37:16.

Today we're focussing on the economy and we'll be

:37:17.:37:18.

putting your questions live to Paul Johnson

:37:19.:37:21.

from the Institute for Fiscal Studies at 11.30am.

:37:22.:37:24.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This

:37:25.:37:27.

or text your questions to 61124 and you can email us as well

:37:28.:37:30.

President Trump has been urged to hand over any recordings

:37:31.:37:38.

of conversations between him and sacked FBI director

:37:39.:37:41.

Senior opposition politicians continue to pressure the president

:37:42.:37:47.

over allegations Russia meddled in last year's election.

:37:48.:37:51.

They warn destroying any tapes - if they exist -

:37:52.:37:53.

A father has died after falling while walking with his daughter

:37:54.:38:00.

Rescue workers say the man, who's believed to be

:38:01.:38:04.

from the south of England, slipped on Tryfan in Snowdonia.

:38:05.:38:06.

He was airlifted to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

:38:07.:38:15.

A 101-year-old war veteran from Devon has become

:38:16.:38:17.

the oldest person in the world to complete a skydive.

:38:18.:38:20.

Verdun Hayes - who fought on D-Day - jumped 15,000 feet from a plane,

:38:21.:38:23.

along with three generations of his family yesterday afternoon.

:38:24.:38:25.

He beats the previous record set by a man 35 days younger.

:38:26.:38:37.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 11.00.

:38:38.:38:42.

Hull manager Marco Silva says he will meet with the club before

:38:43.:38:45.

deciding whether to stay following their relegation

:38:46.:38:46.

Hull lost 4-0 at Crystal Palace to send them down after just

:38:47.:38:50.

They join Middlesbrough and Sunderland in being relegated,

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and after joining in January Silva's yet to commit to the

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Spurs ended 118 years at White Hart Lane with a 2-1 win

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over Manchester United, and then a party, as they head

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to a new stadium just next door after a year at Wembley

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Lewis Hamilton pulled off a stunning passing move to beat

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Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel to the Spanish Grand Prix.

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The Mercedes driver is now just six points behind his rival in the world

:39:21.:39:23.

championship standings AND a crash on stage nine derails both

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Geraint Thomas and Adam Yates' chances of contending

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They slipped from podium places to around five minutes behind

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That is all your support for now. Thank you very much.

:39:36.:39:48.

Joanna Lumley stole the show last night winning

:39:49.:39:51.

Ant and Dec won two awards - as did BBC One police drama

:39:52.:39:57.

Happy Valley - and we picked up an award for our

:39:58.:40:00.

And the BAFTA goes to Victoria Derbyshire, footballers abuse.

:40:01.:40:03.

This is Louisa, our editor and this is Jo who is on our team.

:40:04.:40:24.

This was an interview I did with four men, former footballers,

:40:25.:40:32.

who trusted us enough to talk to our audience about the alleged

:40:33.:40:38.

abuse they experienced as boys, as nine-year-olds, as ten-year-olds,

:40:39.:40:42.

You cannot under estimate the courage it took for them to do

:40:43.:40:49.

As a result of what they did, hundreds of other

:40:50.:41:08.

potential victims came forward to the police.

:41:09.:41:11.

I'd like to thank our amazing editor and team, but most of all,

:41:12.:41:18.

I'd like to thank Andy Woodward, Chris Unsworth, Stephen Walters

:41:19.:41:23.

and Jason Dunford, thank you very much.

:41:24.:41:28.

That story was only possible thanks to the bravery of Andy Woodward

:41:29.:41:31.

who decided to waive his anonymity to speak out about abuse in football

:41:32.:41:34.

Good morning. Hello. Good morning. You were emotional watching it last

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night? Just a bit. The older and I were on the sofa and I had quite a

:41:51.:41:56.

few tears, to say the least. Did you ever imagine the impact speaking out

:41:57.:42:01.

would have? Not this magnitude, no. I expected some reaction but not the

:42:02.:42:06.

magnitude which has come out so far. I think you are still hearing from

:42:07.:42:14.

other alleged victims who have -- continue to get in touch with you or

:42:15.:42:18.

the police after watching that interview? There are still people

:42:19.:42:23.

speaking out and it has gone up to Scotland as well which has been

:42:24.:42:28.

highlighted recently. There are still people talking about and

:42:29.:42:33.

speaking out. And you are now working on plans to safeguard the

:42:34.:42:37.

protection of children in sport, aren't you? Yes, Victoria. In

:42:38.:42:44.

conjunction with the team, we have a holistic solution that is going to

:42:45.:42:49.

try and change the negative past in football. Recently there have been

:42:50.:42:53.

reports in the papers about players and mental health and well-being, so

:42:54.:42:58.

we have a solution and we will speak to the governing bodies. They have

:42:59.:43:02.

assured us they will do that. I want to change a negative past into a

:43:03.:43:06.

positive future for the game because it is the biggest brand in the

:43:07.:43:11.

world, and we want to make sure we protect and safeguard children and

:43:12.:43:16.

obviously help and support players. Thank you, Andy. Victoria, can I

:43:17.:43:24.

just say a quick thing. I want to thank you personally and Louise for

:43:25.:43:28.

the support you have given us ongoing, me and is older, although I

:43:29.:43:31.

threw, and without that I do think we would be in the place that we are

:43:32.:43:37.

now. So thank you to you and the whole show. Bless you. Thank you.

:43:38.:43:41.

So let's talk about some of the other winners of the night.

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So this is so bitter sweet and I'd like to dedicate this to the memory

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of Damilola and his mother Gloria and thank you so much.

:44:00.:44:02.

And the BAFTA goes to People Just Do Nothing.

:44:03.:44:16.

Yeah, I've waited ten years to get this award.

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I used to be up here with Ricky Gervais and The Office

:44:19.:44:21.

You know when people come up and say we never expected to win it?

:44:22.:44:27.

The BAFTA goes to the magnificent Sarah Lancashire.

:44:28.:44:31.

Can I just say that Claire Foy you have given me the best ten hours

:44:32.:44:42.

And the BAFTA is awarded to Adeel Akhtar for Murdered By My Father.

:44:43.:44:58.

I'd like to dedicate this award to my wife and my nine month baby

:44:59.:45:03.

who remind me to be kind and compassionate every day.

:45:04.:45:06.

The BAFTA Fellowship this year is awarded to Joanna Lumley.

:45:07.:45:14.

And I'm standing here with my gorgeous family

:45:15.:45:17.

and my beloved friends and I couldn't be happier.

:45:18.:45:22.

So, all I really want to say is, Jennifer you write it, I just do it.

:45:23.:45:29.

I just want to say actually to you all, you know,

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I asked Joanna Lumley if she'd come on the programme. She has family

:45:39.:45:54.

down from Scotland which is fair enough.

:45:55.:46:04.

And the "must see moment", a prize introduced this year,

:46:05.:46:06.

was won by Planet Earth II: Snakes vs Iguana Chase.

:46:07.:46:08.

This scene from the David Attenborough series

:46:09.:46:10.

beat off competition from Ed Balls's Gangnam Style

:46:11.:46:12.

on Strictly Come Dancing and James Corden's Carpool Karaoke

:46:13.:46:14.

DAVID ATTENBOROUGH: A near miraculous escape.

:46:15.:47:12.

Newsbeat's entertainment reporter Sinead Garvan is here.

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Let's start with Planet Either II. When are we going to see Planet

:47:18.:47:26.

Either Three? They take so long to make. The producers were saying that

:47:27.:47:31.

at least five years. At least five years before we'd see anything. So,

:47:32.:47:39.

we're talking a long time. OK. Let's talk about Netflix's most expensive

:47:40.:47:45.

drama The Crown being nominated and coming away? This is a surprise.

:47:46.:47:51.

Claire Foy has won a Golden Globe and everyone was thinking it would

:47:52.:47:55.

be her night and their night and even all The Happy Valley people

:47:56.:48:04.

they were surprised as well and The Crown wrapped up filming season two

:48:05.:48:07.

the night before. They had a big party on the Saturday night. They

:48:08.:48:10.

were ropey on the red carpet yesterday, but I think they were

:48:11.:48:17.

hoping for it. It was a surprise. Danny Dyer was fun? He was the

:48:18.:48:20.

highlight of my evening. He was brilliant. So, we haven't seen much

:48:21.:48:25.

of him since he took time off from EastEnders. It was his public outing

:48:26.:48:31.

and he won with the team from Who Do You Think You Are his episode was

:48:32.:48:37.

incredible. They found out that he's descended from royalty, actually

:48:38.:48:41.

descended. So when he came into the press conference people were like

:48:42.:48:46.

have you met any of the Royals and he's like, "No, mate. I'd like to.

:48:47.:48:52.

I'd like to meet Harry." He's talking about his wife and saying,

:48:53.:48:56.

"Look, you married into this. " It was nice to see him looking well and

:48:57.:49:02.

happy and Joanna lumy, she cheerful. Was so happy and grateful, wasn't

:49:03.:49:07.

she, to be awarded a BAFTA Fellowship which is the highest

:49:08.:49:11.

accolade? Yes, the list of people on there is incredible and she is so

:49:12.:49:16.

gracious as well. A beautiful looking lady, but everything about

:49:17.:49:19.

her and again, she was very funny when she came up to the conference

:49:20.:49:23.

because she couldn't hold the BAFTA and her glass of champagne so she

:49:24.:49:26.

put the BAFTA down and gave it to one of the reporters and carried on

:49:27.:49:31.

with the champagne and someone said "This is about your whole career, is

:49:32.:49:36.

there one character you love more than the others?" She said "I would

:49:37.:49:44.

be lying if I didn't say it was Patsy." She got into character and

:49:45.:49:48.

we had a laugh. It was lovely. Thank you very much, cheers.

:49:49.:49:57.

Some schools in the UK have written to parents warning them

:49:58.:50:00.

about the controversial Netflix drama 13 Reasons Why.

:50:01.:50:02.

The drama, which focuses on teen suicide, is about a schoolgirl

:50:03.:50:09.

who kills herself, and leaves behind 13 tapes.

:50:10.:50:11.

Each explaining why she decided to take her life.

:50:12.:50:14.

Why didn't you say this to me when I was alive?

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My husband and I, we never got a note.

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Settle in because I'm about to tell you the story of my life.

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And if you're listening to this tape, you're one of the reasons why.

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The programme also includes a graphic depiction of her death,

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leading to criticism from mental health charities and campaigners.

:51:18.:51:20.

Head teachers are urging parents to have conversations

:51:21.:51:22.

with their children about the issues raised in the programme.

:51:23.:51:31.

One of those is Dr Jack Phillips who is the principal

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Lorna Fraser is from the Samaritans, and Mel Ciavucco

:51:35.:51:38.

We asked someone from Netflix to take part this morning, but no one

:51:39.:51:48.

was available. Your concerns Dr Phillips? One was

:51:49.:51:55.

about the suicide itself. We were concerned about the roe mant

:51:56.:51:59.

sization of suicide. The young lady in the show leaves an elaborate

:52:00.:52:09.

suicide letter. It is a serious decision to take one's life. We were

:52:10.:52:12.

concerned about the graphic nature of the suicidement if a student were

:52:13.:52:16.

vulnerable that it could increase the chance that they might

:52:17.:52:19.

self-harm. Lorna Frazer, is it irresponsible

:52:20.:52:24.

this programme? Well, ideally the story could have been presented in

:52:25.:52:27.

quite a different way. Does that mean, yes, it is? It does roe mant

:52:28.:52:34.

size the idea of suicide. Suicide... And that's a bad thing? Yeah, it is.

:52:35.:52:38.

I mean, there is lots of research that's been carried out across the

:52:39.:52:42.

whole world actually over about the last five decades that shows that

:52:43.:52:51.

portraying suicide in a way that could romantacie the idea can be

:52:52.:52:55.

linked to further suicides so we'd rather a story like this be covered

:52:56.:52:58.

in a more responsible way and certainly it's not that we're saying

:52:59.:53:03.

that it shouldn't be uncovered because that's unhelpful too and I

:53:04.:53:06.

think something that this does demonstrate is there is an appetite,

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not only within the target audience being young people, but with parents

:53:13.:53:15.

that there is an appetite for these things to be talked about and drama

:53:16.:53:20.

can be used as a very effective vehicle if you like to do those

:53:21.:53:26.

things. But the important thing is that when producers are putting

:53:27.:53:30.

something like this together, to be aware of the risks and to seek

:53:31.:53:35.

advice from experts like Samaritans, we have our guidelines, we do lots

:53:36.:53:39.

of training and educational work. We advice on scripts. So, you know, to

:53:40.:53:43.

get that expert advice to make sure that you covered the topic sensibly

:53:44.:53:48.

and responsibly. Mel, tell us why you're hooked to

:53:49.:53:52.

this programme? Well, I just loved it from the start. I just, I got

:53:53.:53:58.

sucked into it. There is a lot of Netflix TV shows which are binge

:53:59.:54:03.

watchy, but I realise it does get very difficult to watch at the end.

:54:04.:54:08.

I found it quite difficult during the graphic scene and I did look

:54:09.:54:12.

away, but that didn't mean that I didn't enjoy the show. I think I was

:54:13.:54:18.

still able to watch it, but sort of just take responsibility for knowing

:54:19.:54:21.

I didn't want to see that part and I think that's the important bit of

:54:22.:54:24.

it. There are warnings before it. There is warning before the episodes

:54:25.:54:29.

and there is also an extra programme at the end explaining the reasons

:54:30.:54:35.

why they chose to film it in the way they did. I think it's important to

:54:36.:54:39.

show it, but I understand the concerns.

:54:40.:54:51.

And the main criticism is it's romantacising somebody taking their

:54:52.:54:54.

own life and that's in the a good thing as you just heard from Lorna

:54:55.:55:00.

from the Samaritans? For instance Train spotting came out in the 1990s

:55:01.:55:07.

and I was a teenager and I wanted to watch it and everybody said no

:55:08.:55:13.

because it gam rises heroin and I didn't want to take heroin

:55:14.:55:18.

afterwards and the scene is brutal in 13 Reasons Why and it needs to be

:55:19.:55:25.

to drive the point home. We wouldn't behaving this conversation if we

:55:26.:55:30.

didn't have this show. Sometimes these extreme methods are needed.

:55:31.:55:33.

How do you respond to what Mel is saying? There are warnings through

:55:34.:55:36.

the programme. There is a programme at the end for anybody who has

:55:37.:55:40.

affected by the issues raised. Is that not enough? As I said it really

:55:41.:55:45.

does highlight the issue that, you know, that the appetite for these

:55:46.:55:50.

things to be talked about. We did actually have conversations with

:55:51.:55:55.

Netflix and based on our advice they put the warnings in, they do sign

:55:56.:56:01.

post viewers to Samaritans in the UK as well and that example that's been

:56:02.:56:05.

put together in the UK including the film as a way of trying to really

:56:06.:56:10.

ground viewers and bring viewers back to the reality that's why it

:56:11.:56:14.

has been covered in this way. That model is actually now being copied

:56:15.:56:21.

across the world so all of the countries where this drama series

:56:22.:56:25.

has been launched... That's really interesting. Samaritans had

:56:26.:56:30.

conversation was Netflix. Yet you're still criticising it because it's

:56:31.:56:34.

still, you believe gam rising it? We have concerns about it because of

:56:35.:56:39.

how it has been presented. I think from our prospective, we didn't make

:56:40.:56:42.

a statement that parents and students shouldn't watch the show.

:56:43.:56:44.

In fact, we've accepted the reality that most of our students have been

:56:45.:56:48.

watching it. We want to encourage where conversations between parents

:56:49.:56:51.

and students and if there is any chance that a student was at risk or

:56:52.:56:56.

a parent had questions, we want to provide them with resources like the

:56:57.:57:02.

work that the Samaritans does or other resources that are online.

:57:03.:57:08.

Mel, no concerns at all? No, I do have concerns. I agree with what's

:57:09.:57:13.

being said and parents need to know the number for Samaritans and

:57:14.:57:16.

charities that they can help talk to their children when talking to their

:57:17.:57:20.

children about it. And they need to, I realise that a lot of kids have

:57:21.:57:24.

probably watched it without their parents knowing and it is a

:57:25.:57:28.

important dialogue to have so the letters being sent out to parents

:57:29.:57:31.

are really helpful in that sense. OK. Thank you. Thank you very much,

:57:32.:57:36.

Mel. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

:57:37.:57:48.

And if you or know someone who may need help,

:57:49.:57:54.

You can call them on 116 123 or visit their website

:57:55.:57:58.

It's a completely confidential service.

:57:59.:58:01.

Police have begun a search of garages to try to find the body of a

:58:02.:58:08.

schoolgirl who went missing in 2001. They're looking for Danielle Jones.

:58:09.:58:13.

This is according to the head of Kent and Essex serious crime.

:58:14.:58:17.

They're searching garages in thor ruck. They say it is a credible line

:58:18.:58:22.

of inquiry. Thank you very much for your company today. We're back

:58:23.:58:25.

tomorrow at 9am. Have a good day. Thank you.

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