16/05/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Welcome to the programme. The top story, Moors murderer Ian Brady has

died. Along with his girlfriend, Myra Hindley, he killed five

children in the nineteen 60s. He did not just destroy five young

children's lives, it was their relentless appeals and false hopes

that they gave the families for more than 50 years, destroyed all of the

families as well, even to this day. Relatives say his death does not end

their nightmare. We will speak to some of those who have met Ian

Brady. Also, the 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds who are trying to make

sure you turn out to vote, even though THEY are too young to do the

century Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May. Theresa May and the strong and

stable leadership... Strong and stable leadership... We will speak

to some of those canvassers after half past nine. And Sex And The City

star Kim Cattrall will be here later. I am counting... And if you

have got a question for her, get in touch this morning. We will talk

about ageism in Hollywood and her incredible career.

Good morning and welcome to the programme. This is the week when

most of the parties set out their manifestos, we get some promises and

some figures. What they say they will do if they win enough votes to

form a government. Labour will launch at 11 o'clock. And Plaid

Cymru will launch their at ten o'clock. We will also talk about the

new McDonald's advertisement about a boy grieving for his father, which

some say is offensive. These get in touch with us. The top

Moors murderer Ian Brady has died. He and his partner tortured and

murdered five children in the '60s. Myra Hindley died in prison in 2002.

Origi, who was believed to be terminally ill with cancer, had been

receiving palliative care at Ashworth Hospital, a high security

psychiatric unit on Merseyside. Keith Doyle reports.

on Saddleworth Moor shocked and horrified the public.

More than 50 years later, the Moors murderer, Ian Brady,

has died at Ashworth High Secure Hospital, on Merseyside.

He had been on hunger strike but force-fed for many years,

These drawings are from the last time he was seen in public,

He died shortly after 6pm last night.

Ian Brady was a petty criminal who grew up in Glasgow.

The couple started a relationship, and Brady led her

Outwardly, a normal couple, they became serial killers,

When Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were arrested, they said nothing,

challenging detectives to prove their guilt.

They remained silent even when police had found three

children's bodies in shallow graves on Saddleworth Moor.

Until her death in 2002, his accomplice blamed him.

In the 1980s, the two killers made full confessions,

and went back to the Moors to help search for other victims.

Pauline Reade's body was eventually recovered,

but Keith Bennett's grave has never been found.

I wanted one of them to come up with the truth, so I could nail

the two of them, nail them for the rest of their life,

I wanted them prosecuted for Keith's death.

His mother, Winnie Johnson, died in 2012, never knowing

Ian Brady's sadistic crimes shocked the nation,

and will be recorded as among the most infamous ever

We can speak to our correspondent Judith Moritz, at Ashworth Hospital.

Greater Manchester Police have released a statement? Yes, in the

last hour, Greater Manchester Police have said that the case of the Moors

murders has not been closed and will not be closed whilst they are still

receiving information about where Keith Bennett's remains are. To

remind you, of the file five child victims, four of them were found,

but Keith Bennett's body was never discovered, and that was the last

piece of information which Ian Brady held over Keith's family and over

his mother, who you saw in that report, who I interviewed in 2012,

she told me that by not knowing where Keith is, that that had put

her through hell, and she wanted Ian Brady to go to hell. Greater

Manchester Police have said today that whilst they are not actively

searching the Moors for Keith's body, they are receiving

information, they say not a week goes by when they do not get

information from people who bought to know where Keith is. That was the

word that the police used. -- people who to know. The only two people

knew for certain, and that was Myra Hindley and Ian Brady.

Jeremy Corbyn will today unveil the Labour Party

general election manifesto, calling it a "radical and

A draft version of the document was leaked last week,

including commitments to strengthen trade union rights and

The BBC now understands the final version will also include a pledge

Plaid Cymru will also launch its manifesto today,

promising to make the best of Brexit for Wales.

The party's promising to invest in hospitals, schools and roads,

and will pledge to ensure European grants to Wales are

Plaid's Leader Leanne Wood wants the Welsh Government to have a say

It is also promising to build new hospitals, schools and railways.

The risk is that an increased Tory mandate, say, an extra 100 seats for

the Tories, that would be devastating for our communities here

in Wales, for our public services and for the very status of our

nation even. So, a Lott is at stake and our action is designed to

provide solutions to some of the challenges that we face.

People setting up new businesses will get help with their living

costs, if the Liberal Democrats are elected to government.

The party will introduce its business programme with a pledge

to introduce a ?100-a-week allowance to help entrepreneurs

in the first six months of a new business venture.

Leader Tim Farron will say the Conservatives are focusing

on helping big business and not small start-ups.

The White House is denying President Trump shared national

security secrets with the Russian foreign minister during his

The Washington Post claims he gave Sergei Lavrov intelligence

One official who was at the meeting said the claims were false. But a

senior senator has said that the administration seems to be in a

downward spiral. The meeting itself was controversial

enough, coming just a day after the President fired his FBI

director over an ongoing investigation into

campaign links to Russia. Now the Washington Post

is reporting that, in the course of their discussions,

the President disclosed classified information that could jeopardise

a crucial source of intelligence on so-called Islamic State,

revealing, it is alleged, not only the specifics

of an IS plot, which is thought to centre on the use of laptop

computers on aircraft, but the city from which that

threat was detected. The nature of the information

that the President provided to the Russians would allow them,

if they - would allow the Russians to reverse-engineer,

essentially, that information, In other words, he said so much that

one could figure it out. Once the meeting was over,

the White House reportedly called senior intelligence chiefs to warn

them of what happened. It now finds itself embroiled

in a far larger damage-limitation exercise, prompting administration

officials to flatly deny At no time, at no time,

were intelligence sources or methods discussed,

and the President did not disclose any military operations that

were not already publicly known. That the President might have shared

classified information with America's prime adversary

is causing concern, even The Police Federation says cuts

to forces in England and Wales have left the service

at "breaking point". Its chairman, Steve White,

will tell its annual conference in Birmingham that officers need

better support, particularly if they're involved in a fatal

shooting or a police pursuit. But the chairman of the Independent

Police Complaints Commission, Dame Anne Owers, has told

the BBC her staff still face resistance when they try

to investigate incidents. The leaders of the main nurses'

union say a fall in the number of full-time school nurses

in England could be putting The Royal College of Nursing also

says there has been a 16% reduction They're also highlighting

a reduction in the number Campaigners say a rare porpoise

is facing imminent extinction unless the Mexican government

extends and enforces a ban on the use of a certain

type of fishing net. There are thought to be just 30

vaquita porpoises left in the Gulf The World Wildlife Fund has called

for urgent action to clamp The porpoises are getting caught

in gillnets, which are hung vertically to trap fish,

despite a ban on their use. That is a summary of the news. On

the McDonald's advertisement, which some people think is offensive, it

is about a little boy coping with the loss of his dad, this tweet

says, we think it is really cute and touching. I lost my dad four years

ago, and it doesn't bother me. Time for the sport now. And the FA

chairman, Greg Clarke, has been talking about the difficulties of

gay players coming out? Gumby absolutely right, not so surprising

but really interesting comments from the Football Association, because

Greg Clarke has admitted that his organisation is actually failing gay

footballers. He says that he is yet to meet one player who felt

comfortable enough to speak to him. He has also admitted that football

is probably as couple of decades away from being as inclusive as the

women's game. He was speaking at a Stonewalled summit in Manchester,

where he was discussing the problems faced by the LBW GT -- by the Audi

BT community in football. His conclusion was that despite attempts

to engage with gay footballers, they have not worked because players are

reticent to talk to him. He did feel that progress had been made but that

the FA now needs to take a lead on homophobia in football and to

redouble its efforts on inclusion. His concern he said was not only for

people at the top level, but also young players coming through the

academies. I am just as worried about the kids in the academies, if

you think, one in 10,000 of us is going to make it to play in the

Premier League, and, they think, I'm not sure how my coach or manager

feels about this, so why would I make it known? Some really

interesting comments from FA boss Craig Clarke come admitting that

there are serious issues in the men's game which need to be

addressed. The Ashes series Down Under could be in doubt, is that

white? Yes, absolutely, it is incredible, really. But that Ashes

series could be in doubt in November because of a players' contract

dispute. In March, Cricket Australia opposed salary increases for men and

women, but this would mean that players no longer receive a

percentage of total cricket revenue. This offer was rejected by the

players. As a result, with contracts running out on the 30th of June,

there is a stand-off between Cricket Australia and the association which

represents the players. Opening batsman David Warner has been

especially vocal about the issue. He said, if it comes to the extreme,

there might not even be an Australian team for the Ashes. He

said there would be uncertainty over what team Australia could field

after the 30th of June. The Ashes is due to take place from November to

January. Straneo's elite female players have shown solidarity with

their male counterparts running the offer from crooked Australia to

double the pay of elite women. Over a period of two

years in the 1960s, Ian Brady and his lover,

Myra Hindley, kidnapped and murdered five children aged between 10 and 17

in north-west England. The details of the crimes shocked

the nation, and continue to, compounded by the complete lack

of remorse either showed during NEWSREEL: The Pennine moorlands,

the scene of one of the most intensive murder hunts

of the century. Police and hundreds of volunteers

continue their gruesome search for the bodies of murder victims,

working on a scant tip-off that the bleak Moors hide

the evidence of a mass murderer. A mobile police headquarters

directs operations. Police and tracker dogs have stepped

up the search since the body of ten-year-old Ann Downey

was found here. She had been missing

since last Boxing Day. Nearby, the hunt also

revealed the grave of Our cameraman was on the spot

when more clues were discovered. Tests may prove them to be

of vital importance. Over the course of the next

few minutes, we'll the details of the way

they died are upsetting. The five children Ian Brady

and Myra Hindley sexually 16-year-old Pauline Reade,

a neighbour of Hindley's who disappeared on her way

to a dance - the couple had planned what they called

her "perfect murder". It was two decades before

her parents found out A 16-minute tape of her murder

was played in court. Four months after Pauline vanished,

12-year-old John Kilbride became the second victim -

Hindley and Brady offered him a lift 12-year-old Keith Bennett

was murdered in a lay-by near Saddleworth Moor -

he'd also been sexually assaulted 10-year-old Lesley Ann Downey,

who the couple approached at a fair by asking her help with

some dropped shopping. They took her back to the house

and raped her before strangling her. Her step-father, Alan West,

died last year, in an interview before his death he had

said this of Brady... An apprentice engineer -

who was beaten to death The body of one of his

victims, Keith Bennett, has never been found

and Ian Brady repeatedly refused Keith Bennett's mother -

Winnie Johnson pleaded with his killers to reveal

where his body had been left so she could give

him a proper burial. I just hope he'll come forward

and let me know where he is, Because I've had enough, I just want

it all over and done with. I've have 40 years of

this, over 40 years. And I wantit coming to an end,

and I want Keith found. I've asked him before,

when I found out that I'd got cancer and I said, "I want to know

where Keith is before anything happens to me," because I didn't

know I was going to live, I didn't know I was going to die,

so wanted the truth. She died never knowing

where her son was buried. In a statement today

Greater Manchester Police say they'll never close

the Moors Murder case and that, "Hardly a week hardly

goes by when we do not receive some information

which purports to lead us to Keith but ultimately only two people

knew where Keith is." Had Brady

and Hindley been caught in the immediate aftermath

of 12-year-old John Kilbride's death they would have hanged as the death

penalty was still in place. But instead authorities were baffled

by what they referred to as the "unrelated" cases,

and were left without a single In the meantime, Brady and Hindley

were intent on a campaign to corrupt Hindley's brother-in-law,

David Smith, and recruit It was David Smith who reported

Brady and Hindley to the police when they called at their home,

they found the body of Edward Evans. Here's David Smith,

speaking in 2011. Not an indication. None whatsoever.

He was a slightly eccentric friend. That's all.

Ian Brady was 79 when he died at Ashworth psychciatric

hospital in Merseyside, 51 years after he was convicted

Speaking about the case of victim Lesley Ann Downey,

former police officer Norman Brennan told of the "grief and torment"

he had seen on the faces of her mother and father.

These two individuals, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady,

they murdered five young children, one of whom was, whose family

And when they murdered her, she was only ten years of age.

She was lost on the moors and they recorded what they

I remember standing with Anne West, her mother and father

a number of times, and I met them dozens of times,

and the grief and torment that I saw in their faces was beyond, probably,

I've met hundreds of families that have had somebody murdered,

and it's always dreadful, there's never a nice way

But to know that your daughter was lost, alone and murdered

and then actually her death was recorded, the grief can never,

And those two individuals, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady,

they didn't just destroy five young children's lives, for their

relentless appeals and false hopes that they gave the families for over

50 years, destroyed all of the families

Ian Brady spent 14 years on hunger strike, but in 2013 it was exposed

as a charade after an inquest heard he made himself toast most mornings

Duncan Staff has made a documentary about Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.

Brendan Pittaway is a journalist who received dozens of letters

from Brady and is in our Salford newsroom.

Some are questioning why we're giving the death of Ian Brady

airtime. What would you say? It's only to be expected. This brings to

a close a traumatic chapter in British criminal history. The events

of the mid-1960s still fascinate media and public alike and I think

that even after Brady's death that may well continue to be the case,

possibly until Keith Bennet's body is recovered from the moors. Duncan

Staff what motivated Ian Brady and Myra Hindley? Ian Brady when he met

Myra Hindley he had a script and he recognised she was somebody that

would be able to help him carry out the script. It and it was the idea

of a perfect murder. He thought he could rise above the rest of the

world. She and Brady viewed themselves as superior and

committing the perfect murder was in a sense a way of confirming that

superiority. And 00 had tried to claim that had been manipulated by

Brady. And taken along by him, that wasn't the case? When Hindley died I

was left her unpublished antibiotic, 30 years of letters and that

revealed how the murders came it pass and also her mindset and she

wasn't manipulated by Brady. He had the script, but she had the

personality that enabled him to live it out and they were locked in this

world together and they, appalling as it is, derived satisfaction from

the murders and she was as much as part of it as he was. She tried to

minimise it because she was trying to get out of prison. Duncan, that's

one thing that comes across in the Brady letters. One of the reasons

why he broke contact with Myra Hindley because he felt at the trial

at inn 1966, he had, for want of a better phrase, tried to take the

wrap and tried to minimise the sentence which she might incur as a

result of the crimes and when she made a bid for parole, and started

to transfer blame to Brady's shoulders, that's when he broke off

contact with her. And there was certainly no love lost between him

and her in the letters which he had written to me which referred to

their relationship. Can you read us some extracts from the letters?

Certainly, one of the interesting passages is in a letter from 1989,

one of 36 letters, some of them were quite short and clipped and curt and

there might be a month's gap between them, others came in flows and it

was almost as though they matched his mood. This one refers to four

other killings that he was claiming credit for. Two in Greater

Manchester. The man on the waste ground behind the station and the

woman in the canal which I detailed to Topping, that's Peter Topping the

police officer who was leading the reopened investigation. He also

says, "I wrote a statement, four pages of full scalp in length to

scrath Clyde Police re the murder in Glasgow and a second above Loch

Long. The responses was re the man in Glasgow, records don't go back

that far. Rethe man in Loch Long there is no record of a missing

person." What did the police say? I spoke to the police to try and match

Brady's account with the actual police record and there was no

definitive answer. I had a conversation, formal conversation

with one officer, who blanched at the mention of Brady's name and

said, "I'll pretend I didn't hear that because with that man comes a

circus." He knew that the attention which might be drawn to an unsolved

case or even an allegedly unsolved case which involved Ian Brady would

generate huge attention and mean a lot of pressure, additional pressure

on Strathclyde Police. Duncan Staff, tell us about the

control that Ian Brady continued to try to maintain from behind bars?

Well, he was very upset as Brendan said when Myra Hindley ended the

relationship and he punished her by revealing there were in fact another

two murders and that helped ensure she would die behind bars. He also,

speaking to psychiatrist Professor Malcolm McCullagh, he said that what

you see in that is the desire for control and the desire for

possession of the body. In his words... You're talking about the

remains of Keith Bennet The remains of Keith Bennet. And Brady never

revealed where they are? In professor McCullagh's view, to use

what Brady's thought pattern is, he said final possession is control of

the body. I know, you don't know, you want to know, and I'm not going

to tell you. There are some papers, are there not, which potentially,

potentially, we don't know because we haven't seen them, could, could

reveal some details, is this true? Brady did send papers out of

Ashworth. Nobody knows what is in the papers. Who did he send them to?

To a contact. The person questioned that person. Who knows if there is

anything in it. Brady said there was, again I return to Malcolm

McCullagh's thought which is the need for control. I don't know if he

would want to give up where Keith Bennet was buried. Brady was a very

controlling figure. Interestingly in some of the letters he does suggest

that he was willing to assist with a more vigorous and reopened

investigation to find the body. He actually points out that one of the

reasons why Greater Manchester Police were limited in his opinion

and the efforts which they made were because he had pointed out that

Keith Bennet's body wasn't on the part of the moors which is covered

by Greater Manchester, but actually in West Yorkshire. He had suggested

that Greater Manchester employ or deploy a squad of 100 officers. He

also offered to under go treatment using sodium, a truth drug in an

effort to assist. But as Duncan refers, and is apparent from the

letters, Brady almost engaged in a game of cat and mouse. It's tease,

throwing out some details, sufficient details to interest, but

not necessarily sufficient to bring the matter to a close.

Can you read us another extract from the letters? Yes, I moon, he

actually says as for Keith Bennet the area of the site is in

Yorkshire, not Lancashire and should have been dealt with by Yorkshire

Police. I have already stated my readiness to questioning under

sodium, so-called truth drug, but not by the Manchester Police. Unlike

Myra Hindley's alleged willingness to be hype know advertised, I am a

patient, not a prisoner and I'm resident in a hospital with the

proper facilities and supervise for such an operation. Of course, hard

to judge from his mental state whether anything he was writing is

true or not? Indeed. There is this fascinating dynamic, the dilemma

between whether someone is mad and bad or both. Certainly, I think that

in the conversation with psychiatrists that I've spoken to

and including some individuals who had previously worked with Brady, he

was clearly psychopathic. There are suggestions that he had been

suffering from progressive schizophrenia in his final years,

but what he did not necessarily lose, despite any failing mental

faculties was his grasp of just how important the case is and his ego

tism made sure that he was not prepared to show his hand and risk

the case itself being relegated. Duncan, they took photos of the

killing scenes. They recorded one of their victims as she died. Why would

they do that? Again, it's about control and ownership. One of the

things that emerged from Myra Hindley's unpublished antibiotic is

the taking of photographs was systematic so they took photographs

of where they were going Bury victims, they took photographs of

the victims once he had been killed and photographs of Myra Hindley

posing on the site afterwards. There was nothing accidental, it was

entirely planned and we talk about Brady hiding the truth, but Hindley

did the same thing. She knew up to the point of her death that the

system existed and it only emerged after her death when her estate

handed me the material to try and answer how these killings had taken

place and to try and help find the final victim.

Right. What have Ashworth Hospital said to you? Well, certainly the

contact has been fairly brief because, of course, the hospital and

the Home Office are keen to make sure that this is just regarded as

another patient, another inmate. They don't necessarily want to

attach any special significance to Brady and his death even though

there is this continuing fascination with the case and the evil deeds of

Brady and his accomplice, Myra Hindley. Thank you very much.

Labour unveils its manifesto this morning,

promising it will govern for the "many not the few".

We'll look at whether policies such as a pay levy on salaries

above ?330,000 a year, more free childcare,

and nationalisation, will be popular with you the voters.

And Sex And The City star Kim Cattrall will join us

in the studio to talk about the work she's doing to try and combat ageism

Greater Manchester Police say they will never close the case

of the Moors Murders, despite the death of

He had been receiving palliative care in a secure unit

at Ashworth Hospital, where he had been

Brady and his partner Myra Hindley tortured and murdered five

children in the 1960s, burying their bodies

Labour will publish its general election

The proposals include charging companies a rising levy on salaries

above ?330,000 a year, and it's thought people earning over

A draft document leaked last week included plans

to nationalise the railways, the National Grid and Royal Mail -

the official manifesto is expected to include plans to nationalise

England's nine regional water companies.

This morning on BBC News, Ben Brown will be putting your questions about

the Labour manifesto to Sarah Champion. And you can get

involved... Plaid Cymru will promise to make

the best of Brexit for Wales when it The party wants the Welsh government

to have a say on any future UK trade deal -

and says it won't rest until "every single penny" of lost EU

funding is replaced. It is also promising to build

new hospitals, schools, roads and railways as part

of a fully-costed The White House has flatly rejected

media allegations that President Trump revealed highly

classified intelligence about the Islamic State group

to the Russian Foreign Minister The claims were made in several

American newspapers including President Trump's team have

dismissed the reports The president did not disclose any

military operations that were not already known, to any other mill

military officials who were present. I was in the room, it didn't happen.

Nursing leaders have warned that cuts to services in England are

jeopardising health. The Royal College of Nursing says the number

of health visitors has fallen by 1000 and the number of school nurses

is down by 16% since 2010. The Conservatives say they are

protecting children by spending more than ?3 billion on public health

last year. And comic actress Miranda has

ruled out making a film Its star, Miranda Hart,

told BBC Radio 4 Extra she had been in talks with BBC Films about making

a movie, but concluded that the transition from studio

sitcom to film rarely works. She said what finally made up her

mind was reading that the writer of Dad's Army, Jimmy Perry,

who died last October, The infection figures are just in.

The rate rose to 2.7% in April, up from 2.3% in March, according to the

Office for National Statistics. Time for the sport now.

Champions Chelsea celebrated with their home fans last night after

beating Watford 4-3 at Stamford, which. Pep Guardiola says he has

been given a second chance at Manchester City, after failing a

trophy. He said if he had been at Bayern Munich or Barcelona, he might

have been sacked by now. David Warner has said that the Ashes

series this year could be in doubt because of a dispute in Australia

over pay. Michael Vaughan said he could expect something similar

possibly in England. Finally, Roger Federer has pulled out of the French

Open and will skip the clay-court season altogether. He is not injured

but says he wants to concentrate on the grass and hard court season,

including Wimbledon which of course he has won seven times.

Next this morning - meet the canvassers who are too

young to vote but are out campaigning on the streets.

Our reporter Catrin Nye spent an evening in Sheffield,

Peterborough and Richmond with the leafleters trying

But after school, they're banging on doors for

May I ask who you're intending on voting for?

We're just checking if you know how you'll be voting yet?

Trying to use their youthful charm...

He's half Sudanese, half Czech, and moved to the UK when he was two.

I think Theresa May, she relates to people like me.

That's why I think she'll be such a great Prime Minister.

I think, in the Conservative Party, it's about working hard,

Provided you do the right thing, support your family, work hard,

you'll go as far as your talents will take you.

He lives in Peterborough with his six brothers and sisters.

The men in the family all share a similar talent.

We leave politics to Hani and we do sport.

My mother was the politician in the family and I think

She was a decorated politician, I could say.

Today he's canvassing for his local Conservative

Strong and stable leadership for the United Kingdom.

Alongside local Tory councillor, John Peach.

100 miles away in Richmond Park in south London...

Hello. Nice to meet you.

Elizabeth is 16 and a committed supporter of the Liberal Democrats,

even though her parents are both Conservative voters.

We're very proud of Elizabeth that she has her own mind.

Both John and myself would vote Tory.

Do you ever think you'll change each other's minds?

I don't think I'll ever be able to persuade dad.

I think there are things that change when you have a family,

Obviously I'd say this but I can't ever see myself becoming

Conservative in, like, any future - ever.

I think the Lib Dems are the only party to stand up for the freedom

of the individual and also the only party, mostly, to stand up

She's out canvassing for Lib Dem candidate Sarah Olney,

who won a by-election here only last December.

It's great to have anybody who's enthused about politics

and people who really want to make a difference.

But, I've noticed, there's quite a lot of young people

who are getting very enthusiastic about politics.

Also 16 and Labour through and through.

Both of Luke's parents are unemployed and he's decided

In government, we had a very, very strong record.

We brought social justice on to the agenda.

We invested in the NHS, we invested in infrastructure.

I think everyone should be able to have that sort of kick start

in life and the best possible beginning for them.

You have to break through the apathy, so it's really helpful

Of course, they've timed the election kind of badly for Luke.

As soon as she called the election, I was like, why has she done it

She knows what a good campaigner for Labour he is,

so she thought she'd take him out of the equation, I think.

Today he's joining a canvassing group to try to persuade people

The party secured a massive 17,000 majority at the last general

election here but are worried about a Lib Dem comeback.

In Elizabeth's Richmond Park, it was a Lib Dem victory last time

but a very tight race with the then Independent, now Conservative,

And in Peterborough, Hani and his team are trying to hold

We've got everybody who's on the electoral register.

Yeah, I'm going to start with number seven.

I'm Elizabeth from the Lib Dems and I'm just calling

I'm calling on behalf of the local Labour Party about the election.

May I ask you who you are intending on voting for?

We're just checking if you know how you're going to be voting yet.

Because I'm liberal and I'm democratic.

No question because what we're getting at the moment

from Theresa May is a lot of empty promises.

The two options are Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May.

Theresa May has shown she has the strong, stable leadership.

Theresa May and the strong, stable leadership.

Theresa May, you've got the strong and stable

The alternative is Jeremy Corbyn and his coalition of chaos,

It's just really about weighing up those...

How many times are you going to say it today?

A yellow Conservative is a likely Conservative but he also might tend

Number eight has some Labour voters that I think can be

They're fun to campus because obviously you have

to try to persuade them to vote for you.

Why aren't you at home looking after your kids?

We're just calling today on behalf of the local Conservative team.

Probably, my husband is at home looking after the children.

It smells like someone is cooking a really nice dinner.

OK. You don't think he should.

Like it or not, Jeremy Corbyn is head of the Labour Party.

I know he's been portrayed very poorly, I think, in the media.

I think they're all as bad as one another, probably.

Mummy with the kids, the man at work.

What if I said he was really happy to do it?

Well, I think you might have talked him into it,

I'm not a fan of Tim Farron, I'm afraid.

Can I ask why you're not a fan of Tim Farron?

I find him to not be a very convincing speaker,

and sometimes he can be little bit petty.

With grammar schools, rather than driving social mobility,

which Theresa May keeps on suggesting they do, actually,

I witnessed first hand. They are fantastic.

I would much rather vote Labour than Tory.

I've never voted Tory, nor will I ever in my life.

I just think this country hasn't got a credible leader

The deal that we get after we triggered Article 50,

I think they don't want to encourage other countries from leaving.

Is that really an organisation we want to be a member of,

if they are petty enough to not want to give...?

They're not being petty, they are trying to make

the project work, which I think is a really good project.

I managed to have a good start in life.

Since the Tory government has come in, life for me and my family has

Let me summarise, the big issues for you...

Exactly. And grammar schools.

Grammar schools, yeah, a big issue for me.

And you don't like Tim Farron. Not a fan of Tim Farron.

Those are like my three issues, but the other way round!

You need to keep this film because he might be Prime Minister.

He said he didn't want to talk about being Prime Minister.

What do you think? Do you think he's got a chance?

If it hadn't been this young man, I would have

I could see he's a young person coming round to do it.

Presumably you want to go into politics at some time?

Hopefully. What's your name again?

I think you might have made a difference there.

And if you want to watch that film again or share it,

please head to our programme page bbc.co.uk/Victoria.

And we're going to be in Dunstable in Bedfordshire on Monday 29th May

If you've made up your mind already who you're going to vote for,

still deciding or don't think you'll bother and would like the chance

to share your views and grill senior politicians on their policies,

[email protected] More details on our Facebook and Twitter pages.

That's Dunstable in Bedfordshire, Bank Holiday Monday, Monday, 29th

May between 9am and 11am if you want to take part and we really, really

hope you do because we need some voters to talk to the senior

politicians. Send me an e-mail. Right, the latest inflation figures

are out. Andy is here. It has gone up? It has. Prices are up by 2.7%.

The Consumer Prices Index, the official measure of inflation is at

its highest in four years. 2.7% is close to where the Bank of England

said it would peak at the end of this year. They said they expected

it to get up to 2.8. So it is nudging that level. The bad news, of

course, is that wages aren't keeping up with the price rises so at the

last count, and that's data from two or three months a the average wage

rise excluding bonuses was up by 2.2%, with inflation up by 2.7%, I'm

afraid the squeeze on living standards, ie people's real income,

their purchasing power falling, that's all back. Explain what

inflation is? It is the rise in prices, the rise in the cost of

living. So the gap between the cost of stuff that we buy, and our

average earnings is getting bigger? Yes. Price are rising faster than

wages and if you want to break down the prices you have some fascinating

detail which we don't go into within the inflation numbers, they have

their basket of goods that they buy, of course. So for example if you

want to frighten yourself, processed fruit is up by 8.2%. There are some

other numbers for example, fish, up by 8.1%. Why is that? Well, a large

part of the reason, not the whole of it, is the weaker pound. The weak

pound can be good economically in the sense that exporters can be more

competitive because dollars or euros buy more pounds so it is easier for

foreign buyers to purchase our goods. Because it's cheaper? But the

flip side is we import most of what we consume and when we're importing

we're paying for pounds and exchanging them for dollars or

euros. Therefore, it costs more and that pushes up the price we pay for

our goods. Some of this imported inflation caused by the devaluation

of the pound before and after the referendum. Thank you very much.

Labour will publish their manifesto in an hour and ten minutes.

The party describes as "radical and responsible".

A draft document leaked last week included plans

to nationalise the the railways, the national grid and Royal Mail.

The official manifesto will also include plans

to nationalise England's nine regional water companies.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is in Bradford for the manifesto

This is a transformational manifesto. It is about building a

fairer Britain for the many, not the few and we've had seven years of

disastrous policy from the Tory Party. They haven't improved

standards and haven't improved the productivity of businesses so we

need to have a new deal for our economy and a fairer deal for

British people. You're planning to spend according to the Institute of

Fiscal Studies upwards of ?75 billion. Why is that a good thing?

Well, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, not that I am aware, have

seen our final manifesto, so I won't comment on what they have seen or

what they have assessed, but I'm sure they will provide a full

reassessment after the manifesto has been published. It will go up, it

will be above ?75 billion. Explain why it's a good thing to spend

upwards of that? Well, I won't comment on specific figures as I've

said. They will be referred in our manifesto when it is launched at

11am. The Government has a duty to ensure that businesses have the

tools that they need to thrive and prosper, infrastructure, skills,

research and development, we need to set-up our economy for the future

and to do that we have to invest. OK. Have you added up all your

spending? We have. We've got a fully costed manifesto. At 11am, there

will abtotal figures for voters to look at and judge you on? There will

be. As I have said, it is a fully costed manifesto. Every spending

commitment we've made has been fully costed and dealt with in the

manifesto itself in terms of tax receipts.

Right, do you know what the total is? Well, I'm afraid you'll have to

wait for that. I'm not asking you what the total, I'm asking you if

know what the total is? I do, but I don't want to ruin the surprise

Victoria. You want to buy back the private water companies. The market

value of money of them is ?12 billion and this not included in the

Institute for Fiscal Studies estimate of what you're going to

spend. Are you sure it's wise to buy back all the regional water

companies? Well, as I said I won't comment on leaks. You'll have to

wait for the full manifesto, but we are examining looking at giving

greater control over the water sector. Now in terms of the water

companies themselves, it's estimated that it will cost a total of over

?32 billion to bring them back into public ownership. Any deal

potentially will be the subject of negotiation between Parliament and

the water companies themselves and let's remember that these water

companies have paid out up to ?18 billion in dividends over the last

ten years. So it's not a case of investing in an industry that isn't

going to make money. It's investing in an industry that's productive and

we want to bring costs down for water payers at the end of that.

You're going to make headteachers and doctors pay thousands more

pounds in tax each year. Yet you're also going to pay the school

dinners, childcare for two to four-year-olds and tuition fees of

not just low income families, but wealthy families, that's incoherent,

isn't it? No, it's not because education should be available to

all. Even people who can pay? Well, we want Britain to be an

aspirational nation and it is not fair to penalise one income group

over the in terms of education. Every child has the right and every

student has the right to a decent education. Low income families will

be subsidising the wealthy families to send their kids to uni? Every

child and every student has the right to an education, Victoria and

it isn't fair to distinguish between income groups. In terms of the tax

that those earning over ?80,000 are going to pay. You will see from the

manifesto that it's a fair taxation system and we've aimed to protect

95% of middle and low income earners, that's 95% of the

population. So are you saying it is fair to make people like doctors and

headteachers pay more? It's fair to have a fair taxation system where

everybody pays a proportion that is fair and that's certainly what we're

setting out to do both in terms of income tax for those over ?80,000

and also in terms of our business taxation system overall. Where is

cutting the deficit on your list of priorities? Well, it's part of our

fiscal rule. We've said that we will reduce the deficit over a five year

period and we'll also reduce the public sector net debts as a

proportion of GDP so it's lower at the end of Parliament than it is at

the start. By which year will the ?52 billion deficit be paid off

under a Labour Government? Well, it's a five year period that allows

for economic shocks and any changes in market conditions to happen. Over

the course in the next Parliament you'll reduce the deficit to zero?

Well, we'll reduce it over a five year rolling period. I'm asking when

you will have wiped tout, when you will have balanced the books, what

year will that be? Well, as I said, we would aim to reduce the deficit

by the end of that five year period, but we give ourselves flexibility to

deal with any unforeseen situations that might occur over that period.

Right. So, and so how will you reduce ?52 billion deficit by 2022?

Well, this is about setting out a new economic deal, Victoria... So

tell us how? Investing in infrastructure, skills, research and

development, we want to grow our businesses. We want to make sure

that the burden on them is reduced so we've put forward proposals in

terms of business rates. We wanted to exempt certain classes of plant

and machinery so businesses were given the ability to grow their

businesses. I have an example of a manufacturer in the north-west who

wanted reshore part of its supply chain and bring a company over from

Poland and it would have created hundreds of jobs, but they were put

off doing that. So, potentially, the economy has been held back and we

are looking to make sure that it can maximise its full potential. Thank

you very much, Rebecca Long-Bailey. Let's talk now to Neil Coyle,

one of the most vocal critics of Jeremy Corbyn on Labour's benches

who has been a Labour MP Joe Twyman, head of social

and political research at YouGov who can explain which of Labour's

plans are popular or otherwise. Joe, the most popular Labour

promises and the least popular? Well, in the stuff that we've tested

we've found things like controlling rent so that the rises can only be

in line with inflation. The majority of people support that. In fact

nearly two-thirds of people support it of the less popular, you have

Britain only leaving the EU if a new trade deal is struck. It is a range

of things, but it is worth pointing out that people don't actually vote

on manifestos generally speaking. Think of it like a restaurant. A

manifesto is a menu and you might like some bits on the machine u, you

might like other bits, but ultimately if the restaurant doesn't

look that good, you probably won't eat there. Is the restaurant Jeremy

Corbyn, is that what you're saying? It's the Labour Party and Jeremy

Corbyn is perhaps the guy at the front. OK. Answer that point Neil

Coyle or respond to that point that actually, you know, it might be the

messenger, some of the promises are really popular, but the idea of

Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister running the Labour Party from ten

Downing Street not? Well, in Bermondsey and Southwark, it is a

Lib Dem-Labour fight and I have yet to meet anyone who would think

Farron would make a nicer restaurant than Corbyn. My team spoke to 1,000

people on Sunday alone and some of the policies and the issues that

Labour are on top of on homes, on education and policing are what

people raise as their primary concerns and want to see addressed.

That's what they need to feel we are on top of. Brexit is still a big

issue and I make no bones about the fact that if I'm re-elected I'll

maintain the position in opposing leaving the European Union. The best

deal the Prime Minister can get... Opposing leaving the European Union

or the single market? The European Union. That's dead and buried, isn't

it? No, I don't believe it is. The reason we have this election now is

because Theresa May knows over the next two years the negotiations

unravel. It becomes clear what the costs and consequences are. We are

already feeling them in terms of university, public sector

recruitment, businesses, already you saw today, inflation, the pound has

dropped. Businesses are feeling that already. They're investing in

Amsterdam instead of London. We need to make sure the Prime Minister is

still held to account for what could be a very disastrous Brexit. There

is no hard or soft Brexit. It is a disastrous Brexit. You're expecting

Theresa May to win? The poll, you've got YouGov sat here, the polling

suggests that she is going to be elected so it is really important

that people are, you know, looking at who will provide the best

opposition and who will keep the focus on. Theresa May has been in

charge of policing as Home Secretary and policing, in Southwark we lost

200 police officers and PSCOs, we have seen knife crime on the rise

and businesses let down because the police cannot investigate, they

don't have the resources to investigate all crime in Southwark.

That is a fundamental failing and Theresa May is totally responsible.

She had seven years with Lib Dem support for five. That's the

dabbling she caused in my constituency and that's one of the

issues that comes up again and again and again on the doorstep. Thank you

very much, Neil and Joe. Coming up, the Welsh Nationalist

party Plaid Cymru is to launch its election manifesto promising

to "overcome threats and seize Let's get the latest

weather update with Carol. Congratulations on your BAFTA. I

thought you were never going to mention it, Carol. Well done.

Today's weather, well it is worth more than a fiver. You can see a

beautiful picture from our Weather Watchers of east Sussex.

Lovely blue skies. Compare that to Cornwall, there is low cloud and

it's damp and then as we head off towards Dudley, again a lot of cloud

around. So a real variation, but one thing that is a common factor is

that it is very muggy to start the day. We're looking at 20 Celsius in

parts of the east. You can see where we've had the rain. Some of it heavy

across Wales. Now, this line of rain here is going to slowly push

south-east wards during the day, but it won't get into the far south-east

where it will remain muggy and sunny and behind it, we've got rain

whipping across Northern Ireland and Scotland moving on from the west to

the east and behind that, we are looking at a mixture of sunshine and

showers and wherever you are, a breezy day. Into the afternoon,

murky across the south-west of Englandment here is the rain pushing

through Devon, Somerset and Dorset and Gloucestershire and for Wales,

the rain will have cleared, but in its wake there will be a lot of

cloud left behind and hill fog and damp conditions. As for Northern

Ireland, where the rain clears you've got a sunny day ahead and

across Scotland it is a mixture of sunshine and showers. If you're

somewhere like the Moray Firth this afternoon, temperatures could get up

to into the high teens and that will feel pleasant.

North-west England, bright spells of sunshine and showers and then we run

into a band of rain heading towards the Midlands. Ahead of it more

cloud. East Anglia, Essex and Kent, and the Isle of Wight hanging on to

sunshine and here is where we will see the highest temperatures, a

sticky 24 or possibly 25 Celsius. In the sunshine further north, it will

still feel pleasant and it will feel that bit fresher.

The evening and overnight, here is our band of rain continuing towards

the South East. Sultry in the south. Clearer skies.

If you are tomorrow, we have got the rain. It will pep up during the

afternoon. As we look behind it for North Wales, Northern England, into

Scotland, and also Northern Ireland, we've got sunshine and again,

showers. Still pleasant in the sunshine and sultry and muggy in the

south. We could see similar temperatures to today. Wednesday

night, we have got heavier rain pushing across us. It will clear

away and on Thursday it is a mixture of sunshine and showers and feeling

fresher. Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10

o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. The notorious Moors Murderer

Ian Brady has died. With the help of his girlfriend,

Myra Hindley, he killed five They saw themselves as superior, and

committing the perfect murder, as they saw it, was part of that.

It is about building a pharaoh Britain, for the many, not the few,

after seven disastrous years of the Tories. We will look at the

McDonald's advert which focuses on child who has lost his father. We

will consider how the advert affects children who have been bereaved.

And Sex And The City star Kim Cattrall will be here. How many

sexual partners have you had? I'm Cohen. If you have a question for

Kim, do get in touch this morning. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. Greater Manchester Police say

they will never close the case of the Moors Murders,

despite the death of He had been receiving palliative

care in a secure unit at Ashworth Hospital,

where he had been Brady and his partner Myra Hindley

tortured and murdered five children in the mid-1960s,

burying their bodies The man who made a documentary told

this programme that Brady had a script in his head when he met my

20. He knew what he wanted to do and he recognised that with Myra

Hindley, it was somebody with the personality which would enable him

to carry out a script. It was his idea of the perfect murder, which

was an American book that he beds. He thought that he could rise above

the rest of the world, he and Brady occupied what they viewed as a world

above, they viewed themselves as superior, and committing the perfect

murder was in a sense a way of confirming that superiority.

Labour is due to publish its manifesto shortly. A draft document

leaked last week included plans to nationalise the railways, the

National Grid and the Royal Mail. The manifesto is expected also to

nationalise the nine English regional water companies as well.

And today at 12.30 on BBC News, Ben Brown will be putting your

questions about the manifesto to Labour's Sarah Champion.

You can get in touch? That's a summary of

Plaid Cymru is due to launch its manifesto within the next few

minutes. The party wants the Welsh government to have a say on any

future UK trade deal. It says it will not rest until every penny of

lost EU funding is replaced. It says it wants to new holes schools,

hospitals and railways. Inflation has risen sharply to its highest

level since September 2013. The rate rose to 2.7% in April from 2.3%

month before. It was partly due to the higher cost of road tax and

clothing. the latest BBC News -

more at 10.30. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - And if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Chelsea will not receive the Premier

League trophy until Sunday, when they take on relegated Sunderland at

Stamford Bridge. But they gave their fans plenty to cheer last night with

another win, a thrilling victory over Watford. John Terry scored the

opener. Watford were 3-1 down but got themselves back into it. But

Cesc Fabregas popped up with two minutes remaining to make it 4-3 to

Chelsea. It was league victory number 29, equalling the record

number of wins in a Premier League season. Football Association

chairman Greg Clarke says his attempts to hold talks with gay

footballers are failing. He says the players are reticent to engage with

him. He says, while a lot of speculation surrounds players coming

out, he is equally concerned by the younger players who might be

affected. I am just as worried about the kids of 16 or 17 in academies

who think, one of 10,000 of us are going to make Premier League players

and I'm not sure how my coach or manager or anybody else feels about

gay people. So why would I make it harder for myself? Roger Federer has

pulled out of the French Open and will skip the clay-court season

altogether. He is not injured but says he wants to concentrate on the

grass and hard court season is to come. He has won Wimbledon seven

times. If he does it again, it would be Major number 19.

Pledges on mental health have been a big part

Labour say they'll spend more money on services,

while Theresa May has promised to abolish a key bit of legislation,

the Mental Health Act, which she described as "flawed".

NHS data crunched by BBC Yorkshire shows there's been a big increase

in the number of detentions under the Mental Health Act

carried out across England in the last five years.

The number of detentions rose by over 10,000 to almost 39,000.

It's been a particularly contentious bit of legislation

because of the way it allows the authorities to forcibly detain

people against their will IF they are thought to be a danger

Mind, the leading mental health charity, is now calling

Let's talk to Oli Refan who suffers from anxiety -

he was detained in a police cell after having serious

Karl Knights, who was detained under the Mental Health Act

as a first-year university student, and Vicki Nash from Mind.

Hello all of you. Vicki, can you explain to the audience the criteria

for detaining somebody under the Mental Health Act? Well, it is an

incredibly compact piece of legislation, so where do you start

with it, really? There is a number of different criteria, but it is

definitely linked to a person's diagnosis and the impact that

diagnosis has on them, but more importantly, the risk, whether that

person is a risk to themselves or considered to be a risk to others.

It is called being sectioned, being admitted to a hospital, whether or

not you agree to it, and that just means, the section of a paragraph

from the actor? Exactly. And there is lots of different types of

sections, so lots of ways you could be detained under the actor. Karl,

you were detained under the actor last year, what happened? I was in

my first year at university and I have suffered from depression for a

long time and I refused treatment and things. Eventually, I caused a

disturbance at my university bar and my university has a security

service, they came by and said, you're causing a disturbance Eddie

Howe was not in a good way, I was screaming and crying and it was just

a very ugly scene. Then the police arrived, and to their credit, they

obviously knew that something was amiss in terms of my mental health

and my general well-being, and then I was detained under section 136 of

the Mental Health Act. And taken where? I was taken to a local

psychiatric unit, where I was assessed and the recommendation was

that I should go into hospital, which I then did. Oli, your

situation was different, tell us about that? Well, I was at home, I

was going through a bad state, had split up with my girlfriend and lost

my, who is I was arguing with my mum at the same time. All of that

together just made me switch and be a different person to what I

normally was. I've, however. Hole through the ceiling, my mum didn't

know how to deal with it, me being quite large lad and my mum not being

too big, she rang the police. She didn't know what to do. So, they

have arrested me and put me in cuffs and put me in the car like a normal

criminal and tried to take me to the local mental health unit. I don't

know whether there was no beds or it was not open all, they just could

not get me in there so I was arrested and put in a cell for more

than 17 hours. And it was one of the most terrifying thing is that I have

ever been through. Having a mental health problem, it is like being in

a cell in your brain anyway. So you are in a cell in a cell, with

nothing which is going to comfort you at all. I was not even allowed

anyone to speak to. I was so bad that I started punching the wall,

writing, help me, in blood, to get some help. If there is anywhere

else, a police cell could be a safe space for you, do you accept that?

Yeah, I do, but there should be someone there. Someone there to

witness whether you are all right, you know? Yeah. A big rise in five

years, what do you put it down to? Actually we're getting need more

research, but it is likely to be related to an issue with bed

management. We know that in some parts of the culturally there are

shortages, others, they are not managing the Bethany Bell.

Anecdotally, we people -- we hear that people are saying, we will

section you because we have not got any voluntary beds available. So

there is a bed, but they are assigned either voluntarily or four

people under the Mental Health Act. If you're feeling unwell, you could

present yourself to a hospital or seek hospital care, but say you do

not want to be detained, you want to be able to go when you're ready. And

what we're hearing anecdotally is that some people, both professionals

and people in a mental health crisis, are saying, the only way

that we can guarantee that you get the support you need and that you

get into hospital is that we'll detain you, even though you don't

necessarily need to be sectioned, but it is the only way we can

guarantee that you will get that treatment, which is obviously

completely unacceptable. If the Mental Health Act is abolished, what

difference will that make? Well, what Mind is calling for is a

fundamental review. But if Theresa May is elected, she says she is

going to scrap it. Yeah, so we have said, whatever the new government

is, a fundamental review. If it was scrapped, what does that mean, is it

a good thing, or might some people end up harming themselves or others?

So, you need to look at how the services interact with legislation.

You will need safeguards for some people. Some people, those

safeguards are really important, so you need to look at how the services

are supposed to work and when the safeguards should kick in. Whether

it is the scrapping or the reviewing of an actor, what we need to look at

is, the current legislation is clearly not fit for purpose and

either the Government can look at improving the legislation that we

have got, and there are so many ways of doing that, for example, there is

a clause about your nearest relative, the person who you say, if

I am in a crisis or I am sectioned, this is the person I want to protect

my interests. That is based on a hierarchical list, it is not the

person closest to you, it could be someone who is even in the abusive

situation you are in. But you go on this ridiculous list, and everyone

agrees that it is nonsensical. That is so old-fashioned! So

old-fashioned and clearly not fit for purpose. Karl, how do you

reflect now on your experience of being detained? At the time it was

very scary and terrifying, because I didn't really understand what was

happening. But in retrospect, I'm immensely grateful, because I really

believe that it saved my life. I would not be sat here today if I had

not been detained, I don't think. It did save my life and it can do that

for some people just being detained isn't necessarily a negative thing

just it's definitely scary at the time, but in retrospect...

Raez Olly, you were detained five years ago and you feel like you

struggle with what happened to you then? Yes, it scares me the fact

that if I ever do anything wrong I'm going to be detained in that manner

rather than he said, it helped him. I'm wondering if I was detained in

the manner that he was, it would have helped me a lot more? But like

you were saying about the abolishing the thing, would that not put more

people in prison because they can't section you? What do you think,

Vicky? Well, it's a really complicated piece of legislation and

we need to make sure that people are getting the right treatment and

support and preferably they get early intervention. We know more

people are seeking help. They end up being sectioned and that's where you

have seen a massive rise. The problem with services is a real

issue and we really need to invest in our services, much more money,

much more priority and making sure that we've got a workforce fit for

purpose. I'm getting some help. I've had seven appointments with two

different sky toll gists, I don't know how much that costs, but surely

that could pay for the treatment getting done and I think there is

too many appointments before you get something done. Olly says, "I told

my GP I was suicidal. They sent the police to my house to section me."

That is coming, that GP is coming from a good place, but it's the

wrong execution if I can put it like that. This GP will have been really

worried and thinks, "What can I do?" Yes. Nate hand, hi, "I suffer from

bipolar and there is so much stigma. I was arrested and detained by the

police and then I was given a fine because they were saying my illness

was wasting police time." Oh my god. But this was back in 2008. That's

still horrific. You would like to think we have progressed in terms of

our knowledge and understanding of mental health issues. Actually the

police have done a to, their credit, some of the police, we have seen

really great strides in them trying to understand mental health a bit

more. So, but it's about how the police work with the health system

and at the moment the police are picking up the problem because the

health system isn't coping. As we know, there is some really

understanding police officers who end up in situations that they

wouldn't really like to be n but they can see someone who is in

desperate need of help and there is no one else, there is no other

safety net. They provide the ultimate back stop. It is a tough

job. Some of the police are more trained than the GPs in mental

health now. That's mad. And you've got five minutes to tell them about

how you're suffering with mental health. I've had problem and they're

like, "You've run out of time now, you've got to go." It's ridiculous.

So you want a review of the Mental Health Act? We do. Whoever wins.

Whoever wins the general election. Labour are promising to spend a lot

more on the NHS including mental health services. The Conservatives

have said they would find 10,000 extra mental health officials,

professionals to work in the sector, but there is no new money to pay for

that. How do you regard these promises in the run-up to an

election in an area that you care so much about? Well, I think a lot of

people my age, we have heard these promises before and in terms of

money being promised and things like say recently in the last Government,

money was promise add it was never ring-fenced and it got spent in

other ways and people my age are seeing perpetual cuts which cuts in

the police picking up the slack. Since 20106700 mental health nurses

and doctors have been cut from the NHS in England and now the

Conservatives are promising 10,000 more mental health professionals? We

should be 3,000 up on what we should be. The workforce is a massive

problem. So we have a really good national mental health plan which is

called the five year forward view for mental health. It was agreed by

the NHS England and by the Government prior to the election.

We're saying as part of the general election, everyone has to recommit

to that plan, but that's a baby step to actually getting where we want to

be which is having mental health on an equal footing with mental health

and that's the bare minimum that we need to do. We're saying at least,

you need at least an extra ?500 million per year after that plan

finishes in order to really start to raise those standards up. I mean we

are a world away from where we need to be, but we have got a clear plan

of where we need to get to, the Government need to cough up to

deliver that. It will cost money. Thank you very much. Thank you all

of you for coming on the programme. We're going to be in Dunstable

in Bedfordshire on Monday, 29th May Join us if you can.

All you need to do is send me an e-mail. It would be really good to

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information on our Facebook and Twitter pages.

Next this morning - meet the canvassers who are too

young to vote but are out campaigning on the streets.

Our reporter Catrin Nye spent an evening in Sheffield,

Peterborough and Richmond with the leafleters trying

But after school, they're banging on doors for

He's half Sudanese, half Czech, and moved to the UK when he was two.

I think Theresa May, she relates to people like me.

That's why I think she'll be such a great Prime Minister.

I think, in the Conservative Party, it's about working hard,

Provided you do the right thing, support your family, work hard,

you'll go as far as your talents will take you.

100 miles away in Richmond Park in south London...

I think the Lib Dems are the only party to stand up for the freedom

of the individual and also the only party, mostly, to stand up

Also 16 and Labour through and through.

Both of Luke's parents are unemployed and he's decided

In government, we had a very, very strong record.

We brought social justice on to the agenda.

We invested in the NHS, we invested in infrastructure.

Plaid Cymru, the Welsh nationalist party, are setting out their general

Leanne Wood, the party leader is speaking.

To Blaenau Gwent and here in the Rhondda, every person in this

country will have a say on the future of Wales and indeed, the

future of the UK. The Valleys, the cities, and the

countryside will all have a choice. The choice is not between the

Conservatives and Labour, the choice is whether we want to put Wales on

the political landscape. The choice is whether we keep voting for

London-based parties or whether we vote for ourselves. For our own

party, for a party which is based in Wales and whose only loyalty is to

the people who live here. For a party which already has the hardest

working MPs in Westminster. We can make a choice in this UK election to

defend Wales, to defend our national interests. We can choose to give

Wales a voice by voting for Plaid Cymru the party of Wales. Friends,

we face grave risks ahead of this election. Our economy, our

communities, even our very identity as a nation is under threat from a

Tory Party that can only be described as cruel and reckless.

After 8th June, the Tories will be handed a blank cheque, that they

will use to rob Wales of millions of pounds. Jobs will be jeopardised,

our tourism and farming industries, plunged into uncertainty, and our

public services will be targeted. Responsibilities currently under

Welsh control will be at risk from a Westminster power grab. Labour is

broken. Too weak and too divided to stop them. They have abandoned ship

and they're now fighting over who gets the life rafts. Labour's Welsh

MPs, who are asking for Welsh votes, refused to even name their own party

leader. They've disowned the Labour manifesto and they're recycling

their policies from the last Assembly manifesto. The left-hand

doesn't know what the right-hand is doing. Labour is a party that has no

hope under these conditions of defending Wales. Who can really be

sure whether a vote for Labour in Wales means a vote for the official

opposition? Who knows what a vote for Labour means? But friends, one

thing is for sure, Wales deserves better. Plaid Cymru will defend

Wales, protecting, preserving, and promoting this nation is the reason

that we exist as a party. Every Plaid Cymru MP that we send to

Westminster will be a tireless champion for their constituents, for

their communities and for our nation. Plaid Cymru MPs don't follow

the Westminster rules. They don't vote to line their own pockets. They

don't vote for endless foreign wars, or for the priorities of the

Westminster establishment. They vote for Welsh jobs and businesses. They

vote to support Welsh farming, Welsh livelihoods. They vote to fund our

NHS and our public services. They vote for fairness, for equality and

to help those in need and they speak out against injustice and

intolerance and scapegoating of minorities. That's what we are about

in Plaid Cymru, defending everyone. I want to say every person in this

country, a Plaid Cymru MP will not let you done. Our record speaks for

itself. Plaid Cymru MPs have always held those to account in power over

the Iraq war, over securing fair pensions for workers, over helping

the victims of crime. They've stood up against funding being stripped

from Wales, against cuts to public spending, and for proposals which

would put more money in our pockets. When the other parties have failed

to turn up, Plaid Cymru has been there always working for Wales. Last

year, Plaid Cymru's MPs made more speeches and asked more questions

than any other party representing a Welsh constituency. The facts speak

for themselves. We are blessed with a fantastic team of Plaid Cymru MPs,

Hywel Williams and Jonathan Edwards. And they are keeping a space on

those green benches for new colleagues to join them, to form a

Welsh bloc there. They're keeping space for Branwen and Mr Jones and

Ben Lake. I can't name them all, but they are keeping space for a big

bloc of new Plaid Cymru MPs. We are determined to build a strong team

and to build on our record. We've got the record. We've got the team.

And with today's manifesto, we've got the vision. Today, we rally

behind something which is much bigger than a manifesto. What we

have today is an action plan. It shows where we are, what Plaid Cymru

will do about whatever problem we face, and where we can be. It's a

forward looking programme which guarantees that Plaid Cymru will

defend Wales. It guarantees that Plaid Cymru MPs will oppose any

attempt to downgrade the powers of the National Assembly. It secures

our nationhood. But it also offers practical steps which will boost the

Welsh economy and get our country back on track to be successful,

prosperous and fair. As the UK leaves the European Union, it is

only Plaid Cymru that will thrust Wales on to the political landscape

when it comes to the economy. We will push for targeted tax discounts

for new and existing businesses in Wales where that would generate the

most new jobs. We would back the Swansea tidal lagoon bringing in an

independently verified Living Wage. We would change procurement rules to

allow more public contracts to be won by Welsh companies. Plaid Cymru

would deal once and for all with the creeking infrastructure that has

been bestowed upon this country. Our ?7.5 billion investment programme on

infrastructure would take advantage of these low interest rates to

borrow and invest. We will press the UK Government to introduce a

comprehensive plan for the steel industry, guaranteeing it's future

outside the European Union. When it comes to health and social

care, Plaid Cymru wants guaranteed extra funding for our NHS after we

leave the European Union. We've already secured an additional ?20

million for mental health services here, but that is only the

beginning. Plaid Cymru MPs will resist plans

for UK Government departments to centralise jobs away from places

like Porth, just down the road. We believe in spreading government jobs

across the country, so that as many communities can benefit as possible.

We would protect pensions, keeping the triple lock and supporting other

trends. And we are pledging action in every other area. A global Wales,

so that we can work with other nations and maintained our

all-important trade links. Action on climate change and improving the

environment, championing rural life, and unsurprisingly, we are pledging

to put Wales at the heart of the negotiations to leave the European

Union Channel 4 final deal reflects the needs of the Welsh economy.

Friends, this action plan contains the priorities of Wales in a UK

election. It is not a rehash of the Assembly election but a programme

which can work for Wales and Westminster, a programme which

enables us to hold the Tories to account, a programme where we, Plaid

Cymru, provide the opposition, while Labour fights amongst itself. Take

it with you today, read the pledges, shout them from the rooftops. As we

are seeing here today in the Rhondda, let's remember one of the

greatest blues of these valleys, and one of the heroes of this political

party, John Davies, the historian. He said that tenacity is the

hallmark of this engined nation. Friends, we've defended Wales

before, and in this election, we must do it all over again. Because

John Hurt, and I quote, the faith and confidence that the nation in

its fullness has yet to be. Let's take that message from here today,

that Plaid Cymru is ready to defend Wales, to defend our nation, to

defend our economy, our people and to develop. Because while Haq clouds

may be covering on the horizon, there is also a ray of hope. We can

be the voice of Wales, we can be that ray of hope. Now is the time to

defy the old and out of touch parties, to show that we believe in

Wales, to defend Wales, to develop Wales, to vote for Wales, to vote

for Plaid Cymru. STUDIO: As the photographs are

taken, let's talk to our correspondent. How would you sum

that up? I think what is clear from the manifesto is that there are a

few crucial words - defend was one of the keywords, cropping up many

times in this manifesto. If end what is rightfully there for Wales, one

of the key pledges from Leanne Wood today, that defence of the money

that comes from the EU, Wales is a huge beneficiary of EU money,

because it is one of the poorest parts, and Leanne Wood trying to say

to the Welsh people, we are the only people that can guarantee that that

money will still come from Westminster. We will do our best to

do so. She has said today that she would like to defend, put a shield

around, the trade deal that the UK has with the European Union. How

exactly it would work, I put it to Leanne Wood earlier and she could

not quite explain it, but that would still be a key pledge for Plaid

Cymru, if they were to get more members elected in parliament in

Westminster. Another key part of the manifesto today, it was interesting

to read that independence was actually on the first page of this

manifesto. In the last one, it was back on page 36. There is not such a

major appetite for independence as there is in Scotland, but of course,

it is still a key part of Plaid Cymru. Leanne Wood herself would

like to see an independent Wales in the future. I put it to her that it

was on the first page this time, and she did not say that it was not a

huge battle for independence in this Westminster campaign. And I think

the third part which stands out in this manifesto today is the attack

on the Labour Party and the Tories. The Labour Party in Wales have been

so dominant for years here, but she says they have not fulfilled what

was originally their purpose, protecting the working people here.

But against the Tories, she's outlining to the Welsh people but

the Tories would damage the people of Wales by cutting back on public

sector jobs workers and things like that. So, she is trying to outline

that Plaid Cymru is the only party which can make a difference for the

people of Wales. Some of those pledges, we have not had the full

details yet. I am struggling to explain how exactly they would work

in principle, when I put it to her earlier.

Sex And The City star Kim Cattrall joins us in the studio to talk

about the work she's doing to try to combat ageism

And a new McDonald's advert depicting a child whose father has

died has been described as inoffensive by some. We will be

discussing that. With the news, here's Joanna

in the BBC Newsroom. Greater Manchester Police say

they will never close the case of the Moors Murders,

despite the death of He had been receiving palliative

care in a secure unit at Ashworth Hospital,

where he had been Brady and his partner Myra Hindley

tortured and murdered five children in the 1960s,

burying their bodies Labour says its election

manifesto will include plans The party says intervention

is needed to tackle sharp It's one of a raft of proposals

to be included in Labour's manifesto, which will be published

at 11 o'clock this morning. Other plans include

nationalising the railways, BBC News will be showing that

manifesto launch live at 11, and then at 12.30, Ben Brown will be

putting your questions Inflation has risen

to its highest level The Inflation rate rose to 2.7%

in April from 2.3% the month before. The rise was partly

due to the higher cost The White House has rejected media

allegations that President Trump revealed highly classified

intelligence about the Islamic State group to the Russian Foreign

Minister in Washington last week. The claims were made in several

American newspapers including President Trump's team have

dismissed the reports That's a summary of the latest

news - join me for BBC Champions Chelsea celebrated with

their home fans for the first time last night since clinching the

title. They beat Watford 4-3 at Stamford Bridge. Antonio Conte is

equalled the Premier League record twice held by Jose Mourinho of 29

victories in a season, and they still have one game left to play.

Pep Guardiola says he has been given a second chance at Manchester City

after failing to win a trophy in his first season. He claimed that his

previous clubs Barcelona were Bayern Munich, might have sacked him by

now. Australia cricket captain David Warner has said that the Ashes this

year could be in doubt because of a dispute over pay. Former England

captain Michael Vaughan says he could see a still a emerging between

the English players and the English border in the future. And Roger

Federer will be skipping the clay-court season. He is not injured

but says he wants to concentrate on the grass and hard court season to

come, including Wimbledon, which he has won seven times.

Next - Kim Cattrall, the actress best known

for playing Samantha in Sex And The City, is here.

She's campaigning for better roles for older women,

saying ageism is rife in the acting industry.

Good morning and thank you very much for coming on our programme.

Before we chat to you properly, let's just remind our audience of

How many sexual partners have you had? I'm counting. My Maria from the

gallery? She's MY Maria now! Yes, ladies, I'm a lesbian. I like young

men. I like their company. I want to learn it to be made my soul

inheritor - everything! Wow! This place is one-of-a-kind! So are you.

This is the last time. It was young evil Knievel, and now it is an

ageing knight rider! What's the matter, don't you like your new

scarf? Not especially. What a funny way to say hello! What's going on?!

My name is... This is a joke, right? It turns out I have cancer. I had a

biopsy done, I'm going to give you all the information, I don't want

you to get upset or start worrying. I'm just telling you now because I

didn't want to accidentally blurt out, I have cancer, in the middle of

Miranda's wedding. Hello and thank you for coming on the programme. The

last time I saw you was at the Baftas. It was! Which is maybe why

you're here this morning! Thank you so much for agreeing to my interview

bid at 12 o'clock at night. You were very cheeky and I appreciated it! It

was interesting to hear you laughing, watching yourself there,

actually, but it is such a diverse bunch of roles that you played. You

say that now, your best roles are working in Europe, why is that? I

think that Europe knows what to do with women of a certain age, more

than America does. Part of it I think is just because America is a

younger country, it is youth oriented. So, I have been lucky

enough to have been born here, my family is all here, so when I come

over and work, I feel there is the support there. I now have a lot of

friends in the UK, so it has really been my second home for the past

almost 20 years now. And I am so happy to be here, I love doing

theatre. It's just part of people's lives here, it is not like an

occasion or spec, like it is for a lot of people in America. Here, you

go to the theatre, it's just what you do. So, I don't do musicals, I

do straight theatre, mostly classical theatre, and there's a

huge audience for it, and also the set designers, the theatre

companies, they are really the best in the world. But it doesn't make

sense, does it, that a whole continent can find roles for older

women, and another continent can't? I think part of it is, there's just

fewer roles. I am not ready to play someone who is grotesque, either

from being fought of as a very, very older woman, you know, at 61 this

year, which I'm not and I don't feel that way. 60 now is different from

my mother's 16 and my auntie's 60. I have really had the advantage of

working out and educating myself further, of travelling, who so many

things which have challenged me mentally and physically and demanded

for me to be youthful, in a way. My spirit feels much more youthful and

I'm not ready for that. So, I just feel that there's very few roles to

begin with. And those roles are either in two categories, of

somebody wanting to be young in a desperate way, or someone who has

given up. That's why I don't depend on Hollywood for jobs any more.

That's why I became an Executive Producer. I found a property almost

ten years ago, and I thought, this is a character I have never seen on

screen, it's a woman who isn't a victim, she's not dying of cancer

but she is at a point in her life, where she's saying, what now? My

roles as a mother are changing, my son has left, my husband and I are

disconnected at this point in my life, but I have 30 or 40 more years

of life ahead of me. Who am I now? Those are questions which women my

age, which is a huge audience out there, I really want to say to

networks, you're missing a big opportunity, the baby boomers are

the biggest generation, and we need entertainment, we really do. And I

want to provide that, I want to those stories. Can you give me some

examples of ageism that you have come across in your world?

Well, it starts off in a little bit of a whisper. Can she come in and

have a meeting? We want to see what she looks like. We want to see her

skin, we want to see where she is at and they really want to kind of

see... They want to see how old you look? Exactly. It is a polite way of

doing that. And then after the age of 35 in Hollywood, this happened to

me personally, the scripts just stop coming. The leading roles because

there is a whole host of new young girls coming up and you know they

put older men with younger women, you know, it's just so wonderful

what's happened with Briget in the French politician's press release,

him coming out and saying, Emmanuel Macron saying this is ridiculous, if

it was the other way around... Because she is 27 years younger than

Emmanuel Macron, sorry older. A slip. I remember when I was offered