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Hello. It's Wednesday.


It's 9am. I'm Joanna Gosling.


America's former FBI chief claims he was urged


to drop his inquiry into links between the President's ex-national


The Liberal Democrats will launch their manifesto today,


promising a new referendum on Brexit.


There's also more money for housing and education and a promise to lower


Today we're offering huge opportunities for young people where


they can get on the renting ladder for the first time because we'll


give them help with their deposits or they can rent-to-own with a


radical new scheme. We'll have all the details and we'll


be asking if the party has done enough to woo back voters


who abandoned them in 2015. One of Labour's biggest union


backers - Len McCluskey from Unite - says he cannot see Labour


winning the election. Also today, our panel of black


and Asian voters tell us Education, the economy and better


representation in Parliament are all on the list. We will speak to them


in just a moment. The former American


soldier, Chelsea Manning, who passed thousands of confidential


documents to Wikileaks, will be released from


a military prison today. We'll speak to someone


who campaigned for her release. Hello and welcome to the programme.


We're live until 11am. The bad news is there


may be no such thing. Some doctors now reckon it's


impossible to be overweight without increasing your risk


of future health problems. Do get in touch on all the stories


we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live


and if you text, you will be charged In a moment we'll get the latest


on election campaign here. First, though to the US,


where the White House is denying reports that Donald Trump asked


former FBI director James Comey to stop an investigation into alleged


links between an advisor and Russia. Mr Comey, who was sacked last week,


is said to have made the claims in notes taken after a meeting


with the president in February. Following a meeting of his security


advisers back in February, President Trump waited for other


officials to leave the room before taking then FBI director


James Comey to one side. The previous day, his


National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn, had been forced


to resign amid allegations that he misled the vice-president


about conversations According to the New York Times,


the president then asked Mr Comey to shut down an FBI investigation


into General Flynn. But the FBI investigation


into Michael Flynn is still under way, along with one into possible


collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government


to influence the outcome Last week, James Comey was removed


from his post by President Trump. The White House has denied


the New York Times allegations, saying the president never asked


for an end to any investigation, but the suggestion that


James Comey kept detailed notes of his conversations


with President Trump has left some Last week, President Trump


suggested he might have tapes of his conversations with James


Comey. If they exist, those, too,


could be called for, in order to establish whose account


of the discussions is correct. Some Democrats are already saying


this could amount to obstruction of justice on the part


of the president, an unproven allegation, certainly,


but the most serious yet to confront Donald Trump's beleaguered


administration. The Liberal Democrats


will focus on younger voters when they launch their general


election manifesto later. A promise to hold a second EU


referendum will be at the heart of the document but it will also


include pledges to restore housing benefit for younger people


and to make it easier to get Our political guru Norman Smith


is across everything It's a big day for the Lib Dems?


Yesterday, we had the Labour manifesto and today we get the


Liberal Democrats manifesto. Maybe it is a side bar because the Lib


Dems have made pretty clear they're one, big message for this election


is vote Lib Dem and we will have a referendum on the deal that Mrs May


negotiates. In other words, Brexit is their big pitch and they're


appealing to those people who voted Remain. The manifesto becomes not so


important, although, it will contain measures for more money for schools,


hospitals, social care, reversing some benefits, they will be looking


to see where that cash is going to come from. They'll also be a pitch


for younger voters, so they're suggesting there ought to be a


rent-to-own scheme to try and help first-time buyers, they're going to


bring back student grants, but Brexit remains their big theme as


Vicki Young now reports. The Liberal Democrats see this


general election as a chance to change Britain's future


and their message is clearly aimed at those who voted Remain


in last year's referendum. They want voters to have another say


on Brexit once any deal with the European Union has been


finalised and if people don't like it, they should be able


to reject it and keep the UK The Lib Dems hope their pro-EU


argument will encourage Remain voters to swing behind them,


especially in seats But in some of the other former


heartlands in the south-west of England, Brexit is much more


popular, so the party is trying to broaden the appeal


with new policy ideas. The Lib Dems have already


called for extra health and education spending,


paid for by higher income On housing, they want to introduce


a rent to own scheme for tenants and they've pledged to legalise


and regulate cannabis. The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farren,


has admitted his party isn't going to win the election


and says his aim is to replace Labour and be an effective


opposition to the Conservatives. Norman a development in the Labour


campaign? Yes, strange words from Len McCluskey, the leader of the


Unite union and Jeremy Corbyn's key right-hand man, a strong man in the


Labour Party. Suggesting that Labour seem to be on course to lose the


election, but also saying that if Jeremy Corbyn wins just 200 seats,


that would be a success. Now, 200 seats would be Labour's worst result


since the Second World War. Worse even than Michael Foot and yet Len


McCluskey is saying all things considered that would be OK. What is


going on here? Well, I think the truth is, Mr McCluskey, like many of


Mr Corbyn's key allies, is just trying to protect him if in the


aftermath of an election defeat there is a move to oust Mr Corbyn.


So he can turn around and say, "Well, look it has been a very


difficult election. The media were against me. The Parliamentary party


were always attacking me. I've had to deal with two leadership


elections. At least I won 200 seats. And thereby, ensure that Mr Corbyn


carries on as leader even if Labour go down to a pretty dismal defeat.


Thank you very much, Norman. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC


Newsroom with a summary The idea that people can be fat


but medically fit is a myth, according to a study of the medical


records of more than Researchers say being obese


increases the risk of suffering heart disease, stroke


and heart failure. Our health correspondent


Dominic Hughes reports. So just keep your


hands on your hips. The idea that you can be obese,


but still healthy has Previous studies have suggested that


around a third of very They have normal blood pressure


and cholesterol levels despite being classed as obese


according to their Body Mass Index which is a measure of


height versus weight. But a new analysis of the medical


records of 3.5 million UK residents suggests the idea of healthy obesity


is a myth. Compared to those of a normal


weight, it suggests even outwardly, healthy obese people have a 49%


greater risk of developing coronary heart disease,


the risk of heart failure is increased by 96%


and stroke by 7%. What was new for me from this study


was that it showed that people who are overweight or obese


are at an increased risk of heart disease even though they may be


healthy in every other respect. Previously I rather thought that


obesity increased blood pressure and your cholesterol


and it was those factors which increased your risk


of cardiovascular disease. Just being overweight or obese puts


you at increased risk Rugby players are often used


as examples of people who might be classed as obese,


but are healthy. Their Body Mass Index would mean


they are technically overweight, but for the vast majority,


this research suggests being obese Lloyds Bank says the taxpayer has


made a profit of nearly ?900 million after the Government sold the last


of its shares in the banking group. It is almost nine years


since the bank was bailed out at In a statement, Lloyds confirmed


the group has been fully returned The former US soldier,


Chelsea Manning, who passed hundreds of thousands of confidential


diplomatic documents to the website Wikileaks,


will be released later today Born Bradley Manning, she announced


she would be living as a woman, She was expected to remain in jail


until 2045, but Barack Obama commuted her sentence before he left


the White House in January. A police drone has captured


the moment a controlled detonation was carried out


on a Second World War bomb discovered at a building


site in Birmingham. Around 180 people had to be


evacuated from their homes near Aston following its discovery


yesterday morning. The British Army said it was one


of the biggest unexploded devices A pair of diamond earrings have been


sold at auction in Geneva for a record-breaking price of more


than ?44 million. The pear-shaped jewels,


nicknamed Apollo and Artemis, The flawless stones mined


in South Africa are perfectly matched except for their colour -


Artemis is pink and Apollo is blue. That's a summary of


the latest BBC News. Thank you very much indeed. Let us


know this morning what you think about whether it is possible to be


fat and fit because experts are saying it is not. Get in touch with


us. All the usual ways, hashtag Victoria Live and remember texts


will be charged at the standard network rate.


We will be joined by our audience shortly to talk more about the


election and about what matters to them.


Groundbreaking news in horseracing with a first-ever


Yes, good morning, Joanna well, with many sportswomen are under


represented and it is the same in British horse racing. Almost 400


people were interviewed for this report, from all levels, and the BBC


had exclusive access to it. What did we find? A growing number of women


entering horse racing from clebleg courses and that's outnumbering men


by nearly 70-30, but the problem is that women are facing career


stagnation as the report puts it, once they try to progress. It also


found that because of how male dominated some areas of the sport


are, women are being denied certain opportunities and several of the


participants in the study have to deal with inappropriate behaviour


and banter culture. Now the report was commissioned by women in racing


which seeks to develop the profile of women in the sport. Here is their


committee member Suzanna Gill. Young women are coming into the sport, but


then what we're seeing and certainly what came out in the report is that


those women are not necessarily making it through to the middle and


top ranks. So, taking it through the career, if you look at who is on the


senior boards of organisations in race, the average is 16% and we have


several boards in the sport that don't have any women a the top level


at all. So we're seeing a stagnation of career progression and that's


something that certainly has been recognised in other industries as


well and I think we probably moan about it in racing, but it is the


first time we have seen it and talked about and hopefully can now


act upon it. I know you'll have more on this later in the programme with


our sports correspondent, Joe Wilson. Yes, we will be talking


about that later. If people watching at home have got any thoughts on it,


get in touch and let us know your thoughts.


Maria Sharapova is back in the headlines


after her doping ban, she's not having a smooth ride


No, she continues to be a divisive figure. Different tournament


organisers have shown different attitudes. She was given wildcards


to events in Stuttgart, Madrid and Rome, but for the next tournament,


which is the French Open, she will not be given the same privilege. She


is a two-time champion there, but the organisers said their


responsibility to protect the high standards of the game's played


without any doubt on the results, on the other hand, this morning, the


Chief Executive of the women's tennis federation has said that the


French Open had no grounds to penalise Maria Sharapova by denying


her a wildcard. Steve Simon said she already served her sanction. The


next tournament is Wimbledon. Sharapova will need to go through


qualifying because of her low ranking. Alternatively she could


receive a wildcard, but Pat Cash hopes the organisers will send out a


strong message. I would hope that they would stand strong and said no,


you've got to go through play and qualify. Look, Maria at qualifying,


she'll breeze through it on the grass. She is very experienced and


she will probably need some extra matches and she might welcome those


matches. Clearly, she's not physically ready 100% for hard


tennis. She hurt herself this week. I think it will be in the long run,


it might not be a bad thing for her, but I thinkle scat autopsy England


need to stand up and make a stand about this and say we're not


rewarding drug cheats. Well, it will be interesting to see which way the


All England Club go. It is a contentious issue with the fans and


broadcasters wanting the most high-profile names play k, but will


the All England Club want to stand up and be counted in the decision


against doping. An interesting decision to be made.


As politicians start to outline their policies in more


detail ahead of general election, we want to hear what issues


Over the course of the campaign, we're talking to voters


from all over the UK and hearing what different groups


Today, a group of black and Asian voters are here to tell us


what issues are most important to them.


Only about 6% of the politicians in Westminster, in the House


of Commons and the House of Lords are from a minority


That compares to 13% of the general population.


We have an audience of seven voters from different ethnic minority


backgrounds to talk about the issues that are important to


William, I know you feel quite wrongly about representation, we


start with you and tell us what your thoughts are. Yeah, of course. I


think representation is really, really important, especially because


issues pertaining to a certain demographic are never going to be


highlighted or pushed forward if people from that demographic are not


represented within politics at large. I also feel like it


highlights a wider issue around elitism, the fact that people from


certain demographics aren't presented as well so I think it is


very important. I am the chairman of the Asian business council. I am


here to talk about representation to the UK Parliament of the BAA me


community first I have looked at other parliaments, -- representative


of the BAME. The US or Australian parliaments is about two to 3%,


whereas at the UK at 6%, we are still better off. At least we have


those 41 MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds who are representing us,


who are voices in Parliament. More of the MPs from our backgrounds


would be much better. I would say we have people who are standing up and


down the country from the BAME community and we should go out and


vote for them and make sure we see them in Parliament in the coming few


days all week or two. Do any of you feel there should be a mechanism by


which the number of MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds is forcibly


increased? I don't think there needs to be a mechanism or a methodical,


mechanical method, but certainly there is an emerging trend, that


simply planting an ethnic minority face as a candidate is inadequate.


That person needs to be competent, needs to have credibility, needs to


have a track record. We have got up and down the country certain


constituencies where you have an ethnic minority face. Three


elections, still there now, safe seats, the local population gets fed


up with them. They don't reflect the real life, the young life of the


community that they tried to or seek to represent. Therefore, this sort


of somewhat oversimplistic connection that from the seek


community, if you put forward a steak


-- from the Sikh constituency. I am from Coventry. I am an active


campaigner in the Sikh community. There are no Sikh MPs at the moment


in the UK Parliament. That is a big topic in the Sikh community. We need


to have not just ethnic minority representation, which is


fundamentally important, but we need to have the right people, the right


quality of person, representing us. The rest of you, do you feel like


you're MPs are currently representing the issues that matter


to you? Personally, I feel my MP does represent me, however speaking


on the matter of having ethnic minorities in Parliament and


politics, I come from the point of view of educating people from the


ethnic minority backgrounds about ways to get involved in politics,


because in my opinion this is the most tolerant country in the world.


And I think people just need to know what to do, where to go, in order to


access those places. So you say it doesn't matter if the MP is from an


ethnic minority, as long as they are tuned with what is going on? Well, I


think it would be a good thing to have the good representation, so 6%


where there is 13% of the population is not that good. It should be


organic, but in doing that let's provide information from members of


that community to enable them to have access. I am a leadership


development coach. It really does come from education, I think it is a


wider community in society. If all young people were getting the right


education, good teaching, good schools, good opportunities,


naturally those doors would open and you would find a lot more black and


Asian politicians in place, and that is where the issue is. If you wait


until after you have graduated, it's too late. You need to go back when


you are in the school years, three or four years old, and giving them


the support they need. There has been I have found over previous


decades a cultural and political tokenism, in terms of black faces


for that constituency, Sikh faces for that constituency, Muslim faces


her that constituency. That has been purely superficial exercises. The


migrant communities in this country now include fourth and fifth


generation. They have gone through that first oversimplistic,


ineffective process. We are demanding more now. We are demanding


quality, we are demanding authentic representation. We want people from


amongst us to be coming forward to Parliament. So let's broaden it out,


the key issues you are thinking, the forefront of your mind to miss


election, what is of particular concern to you? There are quite a


few, to be honest. We couldn't go overall the things, but for me,


being a regular black woman, British woman, who is a professional, as


much as I know a little bit about politics, I don't really believe


that all the information I need to make really good informed choices


are readily available. And I don't think that is helpful for us to make


the best decision. Who's fault do you think that is? The media's, the


government's, I don't know. I am a regular woman, the person that gets


up in the morning and goes to work, has a family, has to do everyday


things, I represent the everyday British black woman, and I am fairly


intelligent, as I said, I am a professional, and I enjoy


information and I try to get as much information as I can, but the man


next door isn't necessarily the same as me. He isn't able to make certain


choices because the information you need to make from great choice is


just isn't there. The manifestos are coming out this week, would you take


a good look at those? Absolutely, but I am making a concerted effort


to do that. Does the regular man on the street do that, I don't think


so. Let's look at Brexit, people say that word and they don't know what


the actual term means. I think it means Britain's exit, but does it? I


do know, nobody has told me. I am somebody that works all over Europe,


and sometimes internationally, not just throughout Europe, I actually


don't know if Brexit is going to affect my work. I have been working


in Europe to 20 years, and I have been able to move freely and work in


whichever countries have needed to without any concerns. I actually


don't know if, when Brexit becomes our reality, if that will affect


that. It has been a recurring theme, always a recurring theme, voters


saying they don't feel they are necessarily hearing a clear,


factually -based picture, whether it is because of the media coverage or


coming from the politicians. How do the rest of you feel? Brexit is


quite plainly and simply a very grey area, there is no exact action plan.


I am just thinking more generally, we have the NHS, education, every


single issue we are facing, are you clear on which party is


representing? We need to look at who owns the media. That may be a wider


issue. A lot of the media is owned by the elite, by people that want to


perpetuate a certain argument. And I feel they are given the liberty to


push forward certain parties and represent them a bit unfairly. And a


lot of people in general, as she was saying, actually don't read into


policies and they themselves do the research so they just eat up


whatever the media give them that is a major issue. So let's focus on the


specific issues at the forefront of your minds. What is your key, going


into the selection? As you can see, I am a young person, unemployed at


the moment but I have a youth platform in Croydon that encourages


immunity engagement and empowers the voices of young people. For me, the


key thing is what is being done for young people, what is being done to


make them feel they can go out there until they are valued but what in


terms of things specifically? Things like education, dropping statistics,


and tuition fees, but what about things like PSA Chi education,


things that will take them into life skills going forward in life.


Talking about mental health. Talking about knife crime. Building a


respect for each other and that communication. The key thing about


knife crime is people don't always respect each other or respect their


lives, are able to communicate healthily, and just to find a way to


get to the root issues of that. There was a lot of talk about stop


and search, but what about getting to the root of it, working with


people on the ground, the community of organisations, helping them to


help those young people. Interesting you have gone into that, rather than


the bigger picture of the NHS, does that chime with the rest of you? It


is a really big thing. In 2008 I was part of a programme set up by the


Labour government, what they found was that young black men, young


black boys, were overrepresented in the prison system, they weren't


doing well in school, so they thought of what we could do to help


them. They found 20 different young black people in different issues you


were doing well and I was one of those 20. We got to speak to


students in schools, prisons, young offenders institutions, to help


raise their aspirations. When the Conservative government came into


power, that was scrapped, along with other community events and things.


Those are the type of things we need, we need to connect more, build


relationships, communities. It is all very well and good, because


obviously I don't want to pay lots of taxes, I want to do well and have


houses and all that stuff but if your basic community is struggling,


if people are not connected and don't see opportunities, it doesn't


matter if the 5% are doing well if the rest of the country are


struggling. So it is really important we start to


look at really need help, really need support. That should really be


a focus. You are only as good as your lowest common to nominate. If


the people at the bottom are struggling as a country, you are not


a successful country, and we need to look as a whole where do you want to


go to. Do you feel the politicians are talking about the issues that


matter to you? Yes, personally, they are to me. Education is a big one


for me. I have two children. My daughter is 15 and my son is nine.


It is important to me that I know that they have access to a


first-class education, without necessarily having to be rich to


provide that for them. But, beyond that, it is also how my children, as


black children, are treated in school. My daughter is in an


excellent school, so there are no problems there and I appreciate


that, but sometimes I kind of worry about how they place black children,


especially black boys, in a box. When you save a commune in the


schools. The education system, and the schools. They are not allowed to


flourish. That is a concern for me. Why do you think that is the case?


Four example with behavioural issues, a lot of times, they may not


understand the cultural behaviour of young black people. There are quite


a few studies on that. That is that everyone to see. And then they


labelled them immediately from a young age without helping to develop


them in their own truth, if you like. And it may be because there is


not a huge representation of ethnic minority educators who understand


why the children behave the way they do. But it is important to me that a


child is not held back simply because they are poor or they are


black, or their parents are not necessarily into their education. I


think the education system should cater for all. I am a Conservative


voter. Listening to what Mrs May is saying, I believe in her Britain,


that is a Britain that works everyone, regardless of where you


have come from. I don't think any of you have said the economy yet. Who


do you trust on that? What I wanted to say, our local mosque, it has a


volunteer group where we have teachers who come in to teach


children who cannot afford to go to maybe private schools or do not get


the right education. So they are making the housewives busy. That is


a local initiative. So are the politicians doing what you would


want on this? The politicians should encourage this to be rolled out in


other religious places. It could be in the temples. Coming back to the


economy, we need a very strong person to negotiate for Brexit. We


need Mrs May, a person like Mrs May, who will not crumble under the


pressure of 27 leaders of the European macro nations to get us


that good deal with the single market. We need those free trade


agreements with the world. The Commonwelfies able to us. I voted


remain. That bus has departed, we the thing about how we will progress


our economy now. I don't believe that this woman has


any interest in securing the lives, the economical lives, the financial


lives of anybody else in this country apart from those like her


that come from her world, from her financial background, from her


societal background. She does not have the interests of the regular


people like myself and my next door neighbours at heart. Absolutely not.


It shocks me that, I understand that everybody has different thoughts and


everybody has a right to think what they want and choose who they want


who best represents them. But I simply cannot fathom how anybody


could think that Theresa May has the best interests at heart of


everybody. The issue will be deciding your vote


when gu into the ballot box. So let's just in a word, please, we'll


start with you? NHS and economy. Education, those are the key things


for me. Economy and education. Education and investing in the


younger generation. Economy and enterprise and education. For me, UK


foreign policy, specifically in regards to Punjab and Kashmir.


Equality and access for all. Young people and hopefully something about


knife crime and mental health. Thank you very much. Let us know your


thoughts as well. Watching at home. We're going to be in Dunstable in


Bedfordshire on Monday, 29th May. If you've made up your mind who you're


going to vote for or still deciding or don't think you'll bother and


would like the chance to share your views and grill senior politicians,


get in touch to apply for a place at: There are more details on our


Facebook and Twitter pages. We'll speak to someone


who campaigned for the release of Chelsea Manning, the former


American soldier who passed thousands of confidential


documents to Wikileaks. She will be released


from a military prison today. Researchers have cast doubt


on the theory that some people can be healthy,


despite being overweight. We'll be talking to the scientist


behind the research. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom


with a summary of today's news. The White House is denying reports


that Donald Trump asked former FBI director James Comey to stop


an investigation into alleged links Mr Comey, who was sacked last week,


is said to have made the claims in notes taken after a meeting


with the president in February. The White House say the notes are


untrue. The Liberal Democrats are putting


a second EU referendum at the heart of their general election manifesto,


which is formally launched later. The party says it would


"let the people decide" whether Brexit happens once


negotiations have finished. It is also offering pledges to young


people, promising to restore housing benefit for 18 to 21-year-olds


and help people get The head of one of Labour's biggest


union backers has said the party is on course to lose


the general election. Len McCluskey of Unite claimed it


would be a successful campaign A spokesman for leader Jeremy Corbyn


said he was determined to lead Lloyds Bank says the taxpayer has


made a profit of nearly ?900 million after the Government sold the last


of its shares in the banking group. It's almost nine years


since the bank was bailed out at In a statement, Lloyds confirmed


the group has been fully returned That's a summary of


the latest BBC News. You Thank you very much. The


unemployment figures. Unemployment fell by 53,000 to 1.54 million in


the three months to March. Latest official figures just out.


With Manchester, Liverpool and Arsenal all battling


for the final two Champions League spots, the Gunners have


They beat Sunderland 2-0 to keep themselves in the battle for a top


four Premier League finish and qualification for


the Champions League which would be the 21st season


City need just a point from their final match to secure


third place to guarantee their spot after beating West


City are now unbeaten in their last 12 Premier League home games.


Andy Murray's difficult clay court season takes another


turn for the worse - beaten in his first match


at the Italian Open by Italy's Fabio Fognini.


It's likely to be the world number one's last match


before the French Open, which starts at


And Geraint Thomas showed few ill-effects from Sunday's crash


by finishing second in the Stage 10 time trial at the Giro D'Italia.


Holland's Tom Dumoulin now leads the race by over two minutes.


That's all the sport for now. I will have a full update for you at about


10am. Thank you very much, Jess. See you later.


Some time after dawn today at a barracks in Kansas the security


gates will open and Chelsea Manning will be released.


Earlier this week, her lawyer Nancy Hollander told our reporter


She's obviously excited. Erm, she's nervous.


Getting out of prison after a long incarceration is not as easy


It's a transition, there's a period of adjustment.


And it will take her some time to adjust.


But she'll be fine, and she's got a lot of resilience and a lot


that she wants to do, I'm sure.


And she will start doing it, as soon as she has a little bit


It was straight after she was sentenced, she announced


Then she started the transition process.


Ultimately, she was given the transition hormones,


but they continued to fight about her hair length,


which is a huge issue for her - she was not allowed


So, we're very relieved that she's going to be out of the prison


and can finish her transition without the anxiety


of constantly fighting, fighting for what she's entitled to.


What stage is that transition at now?


She has received hormones, I don't know when they started,


And I don't know exactly what happens next, but that will be


Let's speak now to Naomi Colvin who helped campaign


You have been campaigning for her release. So how are you feeling


today knowing that she is actually coming out? It is a really momentous


day. I'm thrilled for Chelsea and thrilled for my friends and


colleagues over the world who campaigned so relentlessly over the


past seven years. It is almost unbelievable. Do you think seven


years is a fair sentence for what she did? No. It's incredibly unfair,


. Serving almost seven years Chelsea will have served longer in prison


than any whistle-blower in US historiment for part of the time she


was treated incredibly poorly. The UN reported torture, it reported her


treatment amounted to cruel and unusual treatment and as Nancy


pointed out, she has not been able to live her life in the way she


should and identify in the way, you know, that she is entitled to. It


has been incredibly difficult for her and I think that, you know, I'm


thrilled that she is being released. It was the right thing for President


Obama to do commute her sentence, but she suffered so much and it is


unjust. White House said that what she did was harmful to national


security. She put out classified diplomatic information and military


records, 750,000 military records which, you know, some say did put


lives at risk? There is always a question of balance here and I think


when you say, "Put lives at risk." It is worth remembering at Chelsea's


trial nobody produced any evidence that was the case and they spent


concerted time looking for it. If military records are put out there,


it is identifying people in a public environment who perhaps should not


be identified in that way? There is always a balance and I think with


some of those military records some were kept back and there were


redactions made, but if you look at the balance between public benefit


and potential harm and Chelsea's release, the balance is very far in


the direction of public benefit in my opinion. So what would you say


has been the public benefit? When Chelsea, the words we have from


Chelsea before she was arrested from chat logs talk about wanting to


generate worldwide debates and reforms and if you look at the


impact what she released I think it goes beyond what she could have


imagined there. The release of the state department cables informed the


revolution in Tunisia which went on to spark off the Arab Spring and the


spate of democratic grass-roots movements which shook the world in


2010, 2011. It is hard to imagine impact on a greater scale I think.


One senator, military veteran, has said, she is a traitor and treated


like a martyr? This, you always see this with whistle-blowers because


the same thing came up with Snowdon as well, hero or traitor. I think


actually outside of the United States very few people think that


Chelsea is a traitor really. Within the United States, there are some


senior figures within the Republican Party who do see it very


differently. John McCain says it devalues the courage of real


whistle-blowers who use proper channels to hold Government


accountable and he also says that the actions endangered the lives of


US troops, diplomats and intelligence sources. But... So,


obviously people can disagree. As I say at Chelsea's trial nobody


managed to produce any evidence that lives had been put at risk by


Chelsea's disclosures and I think that history will judge her very


kindly. Whatever individuals think, she had a tough time going through


what she has been going through with gender dysphoria and being


incarcerated? She is incredibly brave and when you think about it,


she went through this incredible battle to maintain her intellectual


integrity against odds. She joined the military believing it was the


patriotic thing to do and believing what she was told about fighting


terrorism and fighting for democracy in the Middle East. And sort of when


she realised that wasn't quite what was going on, had the convictions to


get the message out the that's one enormous battle and thereafter, she


fought this very battle for transgender rights and for her


gender identity to be respected and you know that's another enormous


battle. Her bravery, I think, is astonishing and I think these a very


modern kind of hero really. Thank you very much.


It's one of the most serious allegations faced


Did he ask FBI chief James Comey to drop an inquiry into links


between his ex-national security adviser and Russia?


In a moment we'll be talking more about the latest twist


in the Trump-Comey tale - but first a reminder of why these


Probably illegal - we'll have to find out


what the FBI says about it - but certainly it was bad judgment.


I just read the report. It's devastating, the report.


Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton


or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing


the handling of classified information, there is evidence


that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive,


Based on what was being said, she was guilty.


Today is the best evidence ever that we've seen that our system


The question of whether that amounts to gross negligence, frankly,


there's no way anyway the Department of Justice is bringing a case


The FBI is reopening their investigation.


That was so bad, what happened originally, and it took guts


for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind


What he did, he brought back his reputation.


The FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission,


is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere


with the 2016 presidential election, and that includes investigating


the nature of any links between individuals associated


with the Trump campaign and the Russian government.


With respect to the President's tweets about alleged wiretapping


directed at him by the prior administration, I have


no information that supports those tweets.


Scott Lucas is a professor of American politics at the University


of Birmingham. We can talk to him now. How serious is this? Very


serious. Even given the day-to-day controversies of the Trump


administration, we have now crossed the line, that is because of


obstruction of justice, claimed in the FBI director's memo, is both a


legal defence, it could lead to criminal charges, and it is a


political offence that could lead to impeachment. So Republicans now


income west I think who have at least stayed back from pushing


against Trump so far will probably be reconsidering their positions. If


they don't, is there anyway that this could sort of the fatal for


Donald Trump? What we are going to see, whether or not the Republicans


shift immediately, is a steady diet of damaging memos, damaging


documents, both in the context, the specific context of Trump, the


investigation into Trump's associates's alleged links with


Russia, and now the specific issue of whether Trump is trying to block


that investigation. That will continue from the FBI, it will


continue from the CIA, the national security agency because Trump is


alienating those agencies. Now at some point, it is like you pull a


brick, each brick from under the White House, at some point the White


House collapses. Will it mean an impeachment immediately, no, but it


means the White House is paralysed. It will not be able to pursue its


domestic projects, such as repealing Obamacare. President Trump is tied


down like a lover but unlike calibre I don't think he will be able to


escape. You say that you are sure certain things emerge, but unless


they do from the FBI investigation that is continuing, we don't


actually know, do we? We have a body of circumstantial evidence, and


let's review, we know that Trump associates met with Russian


officials in 2016. The exact content of those and destinations is what


the FBI is investigating. We know the times of those meetings that


Russia was interfering at the time of the election through hacking and


interference. We know that Michael Flynn the security adviser was


dismissed because of his conversations with the Russian


ambassador, and we now know that President Trump tried to block the


investigation of flint by appealing to Director Comey to just stop. You


add all of that together and it at least makes a case that this is


serious, if indeed as you know it is not yet proven. And adding into this


as well is the conversation that Donald Trump had at the White House


with Russian representatives, where classified intelligence, it seems,


was shared. He says he did share stuff, in the national interest, for


the right reasons. What do you make of that row? To have one controversy


is unfortunate, to have multiple is very careless, and when Trump gave


that information to the Russians, Heerenveen Jude a sensitive


relationship between the US and the Middle Eastern country, probably


Israel, which may damage their intelligence sharing. He damaged US


alliances with other countries, such as European countries, who are


wondering whether they can trust the president, and he reinforced the


perception that he is far closer to Russia than he is the sum of


America's allies. Thank you very much.


A new study appears to suggest the idea that you can be both fat and


medically fit is a myth. Researchers from the University of Birmingham


say obese people who had no initial signs of heart disease, diabetes or


high cholesterol were not protected from ill health later in life. We


can talk to the man behind the study.


And joining me from Portugal is the man behind the study,


He joins us from the European Congress on obesity. That is where


the study is being unveiled. And Professor Tom Sanders from Kings


College London, who is more sceptical of the study. We are


joined in the studio by GPL E Cannon, who can offer us some


insight into -- we are joined in the studio by


Joining me in the studio is Dr Ellie Cannon, a GP.


first you, Rishi. This was a study that looked at people who were


obese, with no metabolic abnormalities, so without aid


history of diabetes or high fat in their blood. We looked at whether


they developed cardiovascular disease, specifically coronary heart


disease, stroke, heart failure, and something called peripheral vascular


disease first up we found that over an average follow-up of 50 years,


that people who were obese and did not have any metabolic abnormalities


were at increased risk of crony heart disease, heart failure and


stroke. That is compared to normal weight individuals with no metabolic


abnormalities. So in a nutshell you do not think it is possible to be


fat and fit? I don't use the term fit. In terms of cardiovascular


health, the study does suggest that it is not, according to the


findings, there is a significant proportion of people, which are


termed metabolically healthy obese that do go on to actually develop


some form of cardiovascular disease. Professor Tom Sanders, what do you


think of this? I think the bottom line is to maintain a healthy


weight, what you are in early adult life, throughout life. I think


people tend to put on weight through life. So if you measure them a long


time ago and then look at follow-up, you are not taking into account


people who are fat when they are young will be even fatter when they


are older. We know that fatness itself is associated with raised


blood pressure, raised blood fat, and diabetes. But the diabetes


normally doesn't manifest itself until people are in their 50s. So


measuring at outset doesn't really tell you that. So the key thing I


think is to keep your weight down and don't think there is a magic


cut-off point from when you can identify someone is having diabetes


or hypertension. We talk about people having pre-hypertension,


prediabetes, they are on that road to getting those disorders. They all


increase the risk. It is important not to be complacent about your


weight, get your weight down, even if you just lose a little bit of


weight, that helps, and take regular exercise. Ellie, you are a GP, is it


possible to think people to be overweight and ridden absolutely.


These are very old-fashioned measurements, looking at BMI, as


opposed to waste consultant -- waist circumference, which is much more


important long-term health. We need look at holistically peoples health,


you talk a lot about people's mental health and people being fit is not


just governed by cardiovascular health and whether you get diabetes,


whether you coronary artery disease. I don't want my overweight patients


to be put off trying to exercise, trying to be healthy, which they


really could be, even with a higher BMI. It is also really important to


point out that this study has not actually been published. It has not


been published in a peer-reviewed journal, so it means that it isn't


the quality of evidence that we have in terms of other scientific


studies. So, yes, we know that being fat is a risk factor, in terms of


disease, along with smoking and other things. But it might actually


still be fine for people to be slightly overweight, as long as they


are exercising and that BP is normal. So, Rishi, how would you put


it, in terms of clear guidance and advice to people, how overweight


would you say somebody could be before health starts to become an


issue, as a result specifically of the weight? I agree with some of the


comments made by Dr Cannon. BMI is a risk of developing cardiovascular


disease, depending on your weight, is along a continuum, that I agree


with. However, in clinical practice, we do tend to use cut-offs, and the


cut-offs we use from the WHO. And so I would be referring to the WHO


cut-offs, if I was practising in a hospital, in a GP practice in order


to give advice. Tell us what they are. The clear advice. For example,


the cut-off for obesity, the BMI that being obese is 30 kilograms per


metre squared, and that is according to the WHO. That is used across the


world, it is used in clinical practice as well as in research


studies, as well. So after that point you are OK, your weight isn't


going to impact on your health? Not necessarily. But these are the


cut-offs defined by the WHO. So there is a risk of developing for


example cardiovascular disease at lower BMIs. That would make all of


our rugby players classified as obese, so the entire rugby teams in


this country would be obese and unhealthy, yet they are quite


obviously very fit from a cardiovascular point of view. That


is why doctors don't use BMI any more, it is an old-fashioned way of


measuring. Thank you all very much. Let us know your thoughts at home on


that as well. Just a reminder, we will be in Dunstable in Beds on


Monday 29th made the big election audience debate. If you have made up


your mind already you will vote for, still deciding ordered think you


will bother, and want the chance to share your views, get in touch to


apply for a place. There are more details on our Facebook and Twitter


pages. Yesterday was a warm day. We saw the


UK top temperature of 26 degrees in Gravesend in the south-east.


Scotland also saw a woman's Day of the year, 22 in the Moray Firth.


Things a little bit cooler today. Still plenty of sunshine in the


north. I will show you this picture from our Weather Watchers. A fresher


feel the things, even a touch of frost across the north-east of


Scotland but compare that to the south-east, a very wet night. A lot


of rain falling, even reports of some localised flooding, minor


flooding across west London. You can see why, the bright colours


indicating that heavy rain, which swept up from the south-west and


more waiting in the wings, which will be driving its way northwards


through the course of this afternoon. We could see some


brightness developing through the south-east. Then temperatures will


really shoot up because it is warm here. Across Scotland and Northern


Ireland, a lovely day into the afternoon. The few heavy showers


getting in May be heavy with some hail and thunder. Eastern Scotland


tending to stay dry, feeling fresher but lovely in the sunshine. Maybe a


bit of brightness getting in towards the north and west of Wales, some


dry weather into the far south-west but the bulk of eastern Wales and


for much of the Midlands, heavy bursts of rain, feeling quite cool


too. Heat and humidity in the south-east means we could see some


heavy, thundery downpours across the south-east, the London area, in the


East Anglia as we head into this evening. Tom Prydie hazardous


driving conditions, lots of standing water around for stock that


continues to push off into the North Sea. It leaves a legacy of cloud and


murkiness through the night. But the south-east where you have clear


skies further north and west. The Thursday, once you lose the cloud


from the south-east, a fresher feel across-the-board. But at least


breakfast are plenty of sunshine around. A scattering of showers


developing and some could be quite heavy with hail and thunder,


potentially Northern Ireland, eastern Scotland, Wales.


Temperatures were they should be, mid to upper teens. This is the


pressure chart Friday, this area will be a player as we head into the


weekend. This weather front in the south-east could graze East Anglia


and the south-east, towards Kent, some patchy rain at times.


Elsewhere, there will be a mixture of sunshine and showers,


temperatures again in the mid-teen sells you. In the Saturday, a day of


sunshine and showers, an area of low pressure firmly in control. Some


showers fairly blustery and the north-west, but feeling pleasant in


the sunshine. For the weekend it feels like it will be a mixture of


sunny spells and showers, some of which will be heavy with hail and


thunder. With light winds and clear skies at night we can expect to


return to some chilly nights. Hello.


It's Wednesday. It's 10am.


and I'm Joanna Gosling. Our top story today -


the Liberal Democrats will launch their manifesto today,


promising a new referendum There's also more money for housing


and education and a promise to lower Today we're offering huge


opportunities for young people where they can get on the renting ladder


for the first time because we're going to give them help with their


deposits or they can rent-to-own with a radical new scheme.


We'll get reaction from liberal democrat voters and Baroness Kramer


from the Lib Dems will be here too to answer yours and their questions.


America's former FBI chief claims he was urged to drop his inquiry


into links between the Trump campaign and Russia


Donald Trump denies the claims. We will have the details.


The first survey into gender in horse racing shows that women are


under represented in the most prominent areas of the sport.


Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.


The Liberal Democrats are putting a second EU referendum at the heart


of their general election manifesto, which is formally launched later.


The party says it would "let the people decide"


whether Brexit happens once negotiations have finished.


It's also offering pledges to young people, promising to restore housing


benefit for 18 to 21-year-olds and help people get


The head of one of Labour's biggest union backers has said the party


is on course to lose the general election.


Len McCluskey of Unite claimed it would be a successful campaign


A spokesman for leader Jeremy Corbyn said he was determined to lead


The head of one of Labour's biggest union backers has said the party


is on course to lose the general election.


The White House has denied reports that Donald Trump asked former FBI


director James Comey to stop an investigation into alleged links


Mr Comey, who was sacked last week, is said to have made the claims


in notes taken after a meeting with the president in February.


The White House says the notes are untrue.


The UK's unemployment rate has fallen to a 32-year low,


as a record number of people are in work, figures show.


The jobless total fell by 53,000 to 1.54 million


in the three months to March, a rate of 4.6%, the lowest


Average weekly earnings ex-excluding, bonuses increased by


2.1%. Lloyds Bank says the taxpayer has


made a profit of nearly ?900 million after the


Government sold the last It's almost nine years


since the bank was bailed out at In a statement, Lloyds confirmed


the group has been fully returned The former US soldier,


Chelsea Manning, who passed hundreds of thousands of confidential


diplomatic documents to the website WikiLeaks, will be released later


today from a military Born Bradley Manning, she announced


she would be living as a woman, She was expected to remain in jail


until 2045, but Barack Obama commuted her sentence before leaving


the White House in January. That's a summary of


the latest BBC News. The Chief Executive


of the Women's Tennis Association says that French Open organisers had


"no grounds to penalise" Maria Sharapova by denying her


a wildcard entry to the tournament, WTA chief Steve Simon says that


Sharapova has complied Shortly after learning


of her Roland Garros snub, Sharapova withdrew injured


from her second-round Italian Open Sharapova could still be given


a wild card to appear in the main draw at Wimbledon next month,


but former champion Pat Cash thinks I would hope that they would


stand strong and say no, you've got to go


through play and qualify. Look, Maria at qualifying,


she'll breeze through it on the She's very experienced and she will


probably need some extra matches and she might


welcome those matches. Clearly, she's not physically ready


100% for hard tennis. I think it will be in the long run,


it might not be a bad thing for her, but I think the All England Club


need to stand up and make a stance about this and say we're not


rewarding drug cheats. Andy Murray continues


to have a tough time He's now lost his Italian Open


title after being beaten It was a straight sets defeat


to Italy's Fabio Fognini, made all the more worrying


because the next major, And that is likely to be Murray's


next competitive match. His Coach Ivan Lendl flies to Europe


this weekend to join Murray's team. Clearly he still has


a lot of work to do. The three-way battle for the top


four in the Premier League will go down to the final day of the season


after Arsenal and Manchester City Arsenal have qualified


for the Champions League for the last 20 seasons and beat


Sunderland 2-0 to keep Alexi Sanchez scored both goals


in the second half to leave Arsene Wenger's side with an outside


chance of overtaking And talking of City,


they look the most likely to secure They had an straight forward 3-1 win


over West Brom last night. Yaya Toure scored


the pick of the goals. A point in their final match


at Watford will guarantee third Geraint Thomas has


moved up to eleventh in the Giro D'Italia


after an impressive second place His chances of winning the race


were ruined by a crash on Sunday, but he pulled some time back


on his rivals yesterday. Holland's Tom Dumoulin now leads


the race by over two minutes. That's all the sport for now,


Joanna. See you at 10.30am. The Lib Dems will launch


their manifesto later. It's their plan for the country


which has a series of pledges designed to attract young voters


and people who wanted They say if they win the election


they'll restore housing benefit to young people,


lower the voting age to 16, and hold a referendum


on the final Brexit deal. The party is hoping these plans


will help reverse the huge losses at the last election


when they went from Some voters felt let down


by the time they spent in coalition Here's a reminder


of what went wrong. And just a warning, there is some


flash photography in this report. Until pretty recently,


the Liberal Democrats were the strong third force


in British politics. In 2007, Nick Clegg, a young MP


who used to work in the EU, His personal popularity soared ahead


of the general election in 2010 So, don't let them tell


you that the only choice is between two old parties who've


been playing pass the parcel with your government for 65 years


now, making the same promises, Making the same old mistakes


over and over again. Despite losing a few seats,


the Lib Dems held the balance of power after the election and went


into joint government It all kicked off with


a love-in out in the back On the steps of Downing Street


yesterday evening, I said that Nick and I wanted to put aside party


differences and work together Coalition government was not kind


to Nick Clegg and his party. Forcing them to go back on some key


policies like cutting tuition fees. And forcing this out


of the party leader. We made a pledge.


We didn't stick to it. Come election night in 2015,


things were looking pretty bad. And so it turned out with the party


dropping from 57 MPs to just eight. Key figures like former


leader Charles Kennedy and Business Secretary Vince Cable


were booted out overnight, He had little choice


but to resign as leader. Clearly, the results


have been immeasurably more crushing and unkind


than I could ever have feared. For that, of course,


I must take responsibility. Therefore, I announce


I will be resigning as leader He eventually handed over to this


man, Tim Farron, whose job it now is to give his party


the Parliamentary boost it That was at rattle through the Lib


Dems fortunes. Let's talk to Baroness Susan Kramer,


a Liberal Democrat peer We're joined by two voters who say


they felt "let down" by the Lib Dems the last time they


were in government. Jess Bowyer voted for


the Lib Dems in 2010 after their promise to abolish


university tuition fees. Now, she says there's no point


in the Lib Dems having good policies Kate Pearson voted for


the Lib Dems in 2010. She says she was "seduced"


by Nick Clegg's charm, but was horrified after


the coalition government. Kate, you were seduced, but then


horrified, what happened? I don't knowment like millions of voters


across the country I watched Nick Clegg in the debates. He seemed to


be the kind of person that I could trust. What were you basing that on?


I live in leafy Kent. A vote for Labour seemed like a wasted vote and


I didn't have a huge amount for Gordon Brown as the leader at that


point. I had always been voting for the Labour Party until that point


and Nick Clegg seemed to be saying nothing but things that I agreed.


There was the hashtag trending, "I agree with Nick." So I gave him my


vote and frankly, was sat in a mask of horror two days later when he


stood in the Rose Garden next to David Cameron and they acted like


best of friends. I spent five years feeling nauseous that my vote in


some way had given value I hadation to the austerity cuts, and the work


capability assessments and the tuition fees and all the other


ghastly things, rising foodbanks and everything and I just felt as if my


vote had given legitimacy to that. I also felt that the Conservative side


of the coalition were doing it because they believed it was right


and I might dishave disagreed, but they were doing it because they


thought it was right and the Liberal Democrats knew that what they were


doing was wrong and they were doing it anyway because they wanted to


stay in power. Well, let's bring in Jess. You felt let down as well.


Tell us why? I voted Lib Dem because I grew up in a Tory-Lib Dem marginal


in Devon and it was very clear you voted Lib Dem to stop the Tories. I


was attracted to the Lib Dems because you know I was 18. It was my


first election. They billed themselves as the party of young


voters, with pledges on tuition fees and that was really attractive to


me. So, it was, it was a huge shock to find, you know, two days later


them going into power with the Conservatives in capitulating on


everything that they claimed to have stood for. The tuition fees for you,


was what, that was the final straw, was it? It was one of the big things


and I think tuition fees has become kind of emblematic with regards to


perceived Lib Dem failures, but for me it is more about the austerity


programme. We have had rises in child poverty, in homelessness and


desmation of the Welfare State and the NHS, all of which have been


facilitate bid the coalition Government and probably wouldn't


have happened without the Lib Dems. So, Susan, how do you feel when you


hear the Lib Dem voters talking like that? I suspect I will never win


back Jess or Kate and I'm sad about that. They are representative of a


lot of people. I'm sad about that. If we go back and look at the


coalition, we need to look forward, but I wouldn't change going into


coalition. I think people have forgotten the fragility of the


economy and the crisis that we faced at that point in time and if we


hadn't had a Government that had a majority to deliver in Parliament,


we would, I mean, the damage that would have happened to people with


their job losses, the collapse in communities, we have seen that in


the past and to have decided, it's good for our party to stay out, but


I'll let this happen to people, I couldn't have done that. So, I


understand the anger. I would ask them not to forget the good things


we did in Government, much of which have been claimed by the


Conservatives, but there are 23 million people who used to pay


income tax and don't. Pupil premium made a fantastic difference in


schools, the der ter ration in the NHS, you can see comes after the


coalition. We managed to hold the frontline services to a very


significant degree during that period. We stemmed the Tories from


savage cuts in welfare which you saw coming as soon as we were no longer


there. There were a lot of things we did. Equal marriage. There were all


kinds of things that were important in that period that I'm proud of,


but not everything, we were the smaller party in a coalition and the


reality, you do a programme for when you're in Government, but that means


you think you're going to be the Government. We were part of a


coalition. Let's see what Jess and Kate think. The bits that Susan is


proud of. Does that mitigate the bits that you don't like? You


mentioned the NHS. What about the massive top down reorganisation of


the NHS that was unmentioned in anybody's manifesto and was opposed


by every medical professional body in the country? That was on your


watch. I have a very dear friend who was a sister in A and she would


argue with you that cuts to National Health Service were going on long


before. Things like waiting lists. The


crunch seems to have come over the last couple of years. I think that


is because the cutting process has continued. So let's look forward. We


have the Lib Dem manifested today. Mental health finally on the agenda,


finally finally, where it has never been before. Yes, it has come


through. The manifesto launch today, trying to appeal to younger voters,


exactly voters like these two. But you said right at the beginning you


have no hope of winning people like back. What other policies that


might? I talk to people on the doorstep. There are some that will


always be disillusioned with us but I have found there are many that


actually are very excited. Satele than the policies. What has been


fascinating is our party membership, half of which under 35 and it is


younger people who have come and said as we look at Lib Dem


principles, we bond to join the party and shape the party, which I


find absolutely fascinating and crucially important. For many of the


young people I talk to, Brexit really is serious. They feel


European, their identity is being taken from them, they planned to do


internships in different places, engineering in Germany, fashion in


France, they thought they were free to work abroad. So Lib Dems is


giving a promise of a second referendum. Yes, that second


referendum will be their chance to see what is the actual deal Theresa


May has managed to negotiate and will you live with this or not. I


hope young people will see that as a really important opportunity to talk


about their feelings. Is that appealing? I would rather set myself


on fire than live through another EU referendum. I don't think results


would be any different. Don't give up, don't give up, we have to go to


the barricades and keep fighting this. I do have Brexit and I think


it can be avoided but I don't want another referendum. For me,


fundamentally, the problem as it is fine to have all these great


policies but why should voters trust you? I voted Lib Dem in 2010 on the


basis of your policies, which never came into action, and you reversed a


lot of things. We delivered a lot of that policy -based. The obvious one


being taking 23 million people at the lower end of income out of tax.


Instead of looking back it would be good on what is coming on the


manifesto. A pledge to allow people to vote from the age of 16. That is


something we really feel is so important because 16-year-olds


should have a voice. My daughter just turned 16, I would love it if


she had a voice, particularly with the European referendum last year. I


think it was absolutely appalling that so many of the younger


generation who would be the most affected by it, particularly people


who might want to study and a couple of years, were not allowed a vote.


Would it make you vote Lib Dem? Personally, I never ever thought I


would vote Lib Dem again. 2015, I swore I would never vote Lib Dem


again and two years later they have my vote. Delighted. They are the


only people representing my views on Brexit. Unfortunately if Theresa May


wants to say this is a Brexit election and this is her mandate to


go in and deliver a hard, Conservative style Brexit, stripping


away employee rights and equal protection under the law, if she


wants it to be a mandate for her hard Brexit, the only party


certainly south of the border whereby I can express my strong


opinion that that is not my mandate is by going to the Liberal


Democrats. What will success look like the Lib Dems in this election,


because you are down to eight MPs? Never I spend my time looking at


numbers. What I want us to do is to be that kind of voice that Kate


talked about. Because I think Theresa May, I will be honest,


Theresa May will get a substantial majority. She will see that as a


mandate to do whatever she chooses, and not just on the Brexit issue. We


have seen a lot of hard right policies being proposed. She is


being careful to shore herself up by bringing in the Ukip vote. You are


not going to give us a figure on what success would be for the Lib


Dems? We are the voice of the election, we will keep that voice


loud and clear, whatever our numbers. But the more people we


have, the more we can push for the second referendum. We are going to


listen to Theresa May right now, I will interrupt you because she is on


the campaign trail and speaking. The UK economy has grown at one of the


fastest rates in the developed world. Employment has increased by


.9 million since Labour were in power, and we should never forget


what those numbers mean for the Merhi working families. They mean a


better future and more security. They mean a better standard of


living for people and more tax revenue to spend on vital public


services, like our NHS, schools and defence. And just today, we have


seen that the work of fixing Labour's economic mess continues.


The government has sold its remaining shares in Lloyds banking


group, as we continue to repair the damage to our banking sector, and


today's employment figures show that our credible policies are delivering


greater security for families across the country. But none of this


happened by accident. Our economic progress has been dearly won, and


could easily be lost if the wrong policies were pursued in the years


ahead. It is frankly all at risk. Any party which asks the British


party to entrust to them the responsibilities of forming the next


government through the crucial years of our Brexit negotiations and


beyond must demonstrate that it has the credible economic plan and the


capable team to safeguard our economic security. Now one could


look at what Jeremy Corbyn and his Labour Party offered yesterday and


concludes that it passed the test. The risk which a Jeremy Corbyn


-based government would pose to our economy has been laid bare, that


manifestos are also a test of something else. They are a test of


leadership. Later this week, I will publish my party's manifesto for the


next five years. Unlike Jeremy Corbyn's fantasy wish list of easy


promises, paid for with imaginary money, I will set out in detail the


five great challenges our country faces over the next five years. And


lay out how we will tackle them. While Jeremy Corbyn and Labour


retreat into an ideological comfort certain, ducking the difficult


challenges which lie ahead, I will be straight with people. I won't shy


away from facing the challenges of our time. Rather, I will set out how


we will tackle them head-on. Because that is what leadership is about.


And on this key test, Jeremy Corbyn has failed once again. If he can't


show real leadership of his party now, how could he lead our country


through Brexit? How could he sit down with the Prime Minister 's,


president and chancellors of Europe and get a good deal for Britain? At


this election, only the strong and stable leadership of me and my team


can deliver the successful Brexit our country needs, face up to the


challenges which lie ahead, and improve the lives of everyone in our


country. It will be strong leadership and credible policies for


a better future. That starts with getting the right Brexit deal for


Britain, which locks in economic security for our country, the


weakness of Jeremy Corbyn and the chaos of the coalition which would


put him into Downing Street would put that at risk, and with it the


future prosperity of families across our country, and the Chancellor will


now say more about that. Thank you, Prime Minister. Yesterday, the


Labour manifesto confirmed what we already suspected, that they do not


have a credible plan for our country's future, and they cannot be


trusted with our country's finances. What we saw yesterday is only the


latest in a catalogue of chaos from Labour. Throughout this campaign,


Labour have shown time and time again that they lack the basic


competence and credibility the government this country. We have


seen Jeremy Corbyn and his closest lieutenancy exposed as being simply


not up to the job. The Shadow Chancellor, the self-confessed


Marxist John McDonnell, doesn't know how big the deficit is. The shadow


secretary Di Shadow Home Secretary at one stage was suggesting you


could employ a police officer to ?30 a year. The Shadow Education


Secretary Angela Rayner couldn't tell us how many children their


class size policy would affect, and yesterday, the Shadow Foreign


Secretary Emily Thornberry was unable to explain Labour's policy on


benefits. Labour have simply become a shambles, and as yesterday's


manifesto showed, their numbers simply do not add up. Now that


Jeremy Corbyn has published his manifesto in full, we have been able


to update the analysis, which David Davis and I published previously. We


can now set out the full damage his nonsensical plans would do to the


nation's finances by 2021-22. The new dossier of analysis we have


published today shows that there is a ?58 billion black hole in Jeremy


Corbyn's plans in just one year alone. Proposal after proposal in


Labour's manifesto mean more borrowing and more debt, two


unexplained threats to seize control of private companies stop these


plans, many of them extremely questionable in themselves, simply


do not add up. Any shred of economic credibility, which Labour had left,


has now been buried by Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes. And this matters


to families across the United Kingdom. The economic chaos, which


would hit our country if Labour were in a position to implement the


shambolic package of policies they unveiled yesterday, would leave


every household in Britain counting the cost. The price of Labour's


chaos would be felt in higher taxes and steeper mortgage bills for


working families. This economic chaos would mean higher


unemployment, robbing families of the peace of mind and security,


which comes with a job. It would mean more borrowing, throwing away


all the hard earned progress of the last seven years, and take us right


back to square one with a growing deficit, growing debt, and


increasing financial uncertainty for the next generation. Labour's


manifesto is a plan for an ideological fuel, which would mean


economic chaos for the many. Only Theresa May and her Conservative


team have a plan to lock in economic security and built a better future


for our country. Dee Stakes at this election could not be higher. A vote


for any other party is simply too big a risk to take. Thank you.


Thank you, very much, Philip, we will now take some questions. Laura?


Thank you very much Prime Minister and Chancellor. You have attacked


the Labour plans, not surprisingly, but if increasing tax and increasing


spending overall is such a bad idea, why has it continued to happen under


a government that you have both been part of for seven years? You have


repeatedly missed your deficit target the new even still have a


black Colin Newell most recent budget, Chancellor. The Chancellor


this morning rather candidly admitted swearing occasionally in


rows with number ten. If after June you are re-elected, will you still


be next neighbours? First of all, I will ask the Chancellor to respond


as well, but first of all let's be clear about what we are saying about


the Labour Party manifesto. It simply doesn't add up. What we see


today is this ?58 billion black hole that we have identified in their


figures. These are large numbers, but what matters is the impact it


has on ordinarily working families, and it means that people will be


paying the price of labour. They will pay the price in higher taxes,


lower wages, higher prices, and an economy which will be in chaos. The


key thing is that over the last seven years we have shown we have


that credible economic plan and we have that credible economic plan for


the future to take us forward, to ensure that we get the right deal


from Brexit but also locked our economic security. And I think it is


true to say that the Chancellor and I and every other member of our team


are focused on the 8th of June. Our focus is on winning this general


election because it matters for the future of our country. What I


candidly admitted this morning, and my family will confirm this, is that


I do occasionally swear. I wasn't referring to any particular, session


but I do occasionally swear. The difference between us and Labour is


that Labour doesn't believe in balancing the budget. The Prime


Minister has said many times that as a country we have to get back to


living within our means, we have to do that in a sensible way, we have


to do that in a measured way that balances the needs of deficit


reduction with the needs for investment in our economy, and the


needs of our public services, but we do have to do it. Labour doesn't


believe in reducing taxes. Labour believes in increasing taxes. We are


a low tax party by instinct. Conservatives will always cost you


less in tax. Well, let's leave Theresa May and


Philip Hammond. Norman Smith is in Westminster.


Today, they are focussing on bashing Labour's offering yesterday. Yes,


this was just an attack press conference to gut and fillet


Labour's manifesto yesterday. Theresa May, Philip Hammond,


focussing on the issue of credibility, saying that Mr Corbyn's


plans simply did not add up. It was described as a catalogue of chaos. A


fantasy wish-list and at the heart of their argument is there is they


say ?58 billion of unfunded commitments made by Mr Corbyn


yesterday. Now, those mostly are the big nationalisations, he talked


about, Team Corbyn are saying we didn't include that because it's


capital spending so we can borrow. Mrs May, also again focus on the


credibility of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. She wants to make it a


tussle about the strong and stable leadership of Theresa May as she


sees it versus Jeremy Corbyn and she accused him of retreating into an


edelogical comfort zone. So this was basically an attack press conference


by the Tories to try and take apart Labour's big manifesto launch


yesterday. And separately, Norman, today, one of Labour big backers is


expressing his doubts about Labour's prospects at the election. Tell us


more? Extraordinary really in a way because come election time normally


all the big political beasts come out and say how wonderful their side


is doing and it's all going very well. No so Len McCluskey who is


Jeremy Corbyn's main man in the union movement and he is political


muscle within the Labour Party. Len McCluskey said, it doesn't look like


we're going to winment in fact, we'll be doing well to win just 200


seats. That would be the worst result Labour have ever had since


the Second World War. Worse than mike al Foot and Len McCluskey seems


to be saying that would not be a bad result. This morning, a different


tune from Mr McCluskey listen. Well, first of all the interview I did was


a conversational piece and it was against the backdrop of if the


opinion polls are to be believed that I made those comments. Of


course, since then Labour have launched their manifesto. It's a


fantastic manifesto. A manifesto for workers, for ordinary working


people. A manifesto that will change Britain for the good. And the


response that we've had from Unite members has been incredible. That's


why I was checking our polls that we do constant polls and the response


has been like something we've never seen before. So I'm full of optimism


if I was having that interview today, I wouldn't be making those


comments. I think also the Labour campaign has been brilliant. It has


outshown the Tories. Jeremy Corbyn has come across as a real man of the


people and a real leader. I'm now full of optimism as to what will


happen in the next two to three weeks. I believe that the opinion


polls will start to move, if our members in Unite are anything to go


by, once people start looking at the policies that Labour have, in their


manifesto, then anything is possible and we believe now that everything


to fight for over the next three weeks and that's what we will be


doing. So you have not had a change of tune? Yes, in many respects I


have. Against the backdrop of the opinion polls, that was the


conversational interview I was having, but Labour's manifesto has


been received certainlily Unite members, very, very enthusiastically


and I think positively and I think if that spreads throughout the rest


of the nation then we could see something really dramatic happening


in the next two to three weeks and that's what we will be fighting for.


Every single vote, Unite, will be there, in every constituency


fighting for Labour to win this election.


You did say in the interview that 200 seats would be a successful


campaign, but that's almost 30 fewer... Yes, against a backdrop of


the current opinion polls and that's why it's always difficult in a


long-ranging interview to pick out specific comments because it's


always against the backdrop of what you were talking about and of


course, I was talking about the opinion polls and how massive a task


lies ahead for Labour. Now, what I'm saying now is, very evidencely, this


manifesto -- efficiently, this manifesto that's come out, the


Americans sometimes refer to it as a Christmas tree, there is a present


for everybody hanging from it and that's true. John McDonnell has been


brilliant in explaining where the cash will come from. And I think now


that that should start to alter things fairly dramatically both in


the polls and Labour's prospects so that's what I'm looking forward. But


if the polls don't change and you're still... Well, let's just wait to


see because I'm now convinced that the polls will change. I'm now


convinced that Labour are in with a real chance and that's what we are


hoping for the that's what the British people need if they could


only examine those particular policies that Labour have put


forward then I think things will begin to change and that's, I'm


ready for the fight. I'm up for the fight. So, there we are. Len


McCluskey had a conversion overnight. A shining light convinced


him that Jeremy Corbyn is now in fact on course for victory. OK,


Norman. Hold the thoughts. You may well know that every day until 8th


June we are highlighting the best gaffe or amaoudsing moment from the


election cal pawn with Norman. We need a general election and we


need one now. To every city, every village, every town. We state a


clear intention. About the future of this country. The big question here


is simply this... At what point... Are voters... Getting tired of


politicians. Let me finish if you don't mind. What have you got today,


Norman? I bring you beards! What do we think of beards? Well, vote, are


not terribly fond of politicians who have beards of the there is a survey


out today saying two-thirds of voters don't like their leaders to


have beards. They view them as unkept and looks as if you kind of


let yourself go, which is not good news for Westminster's famous beard


which belongs to Mr J Corbyn. He won the Beard Of The Year seven years on


the trot. This was him being asked a couple of years ago, how long he had


been growing a beard for? Well, the leader of the beard liberation front


quoted me as saying I wear my beard as my opposition to New Labour, but


that doesn't really work when John himself wears a beard! Look, there


are contradictions in the movement. Now, history is not necessarily on


Mr Corbyn's side, the last Prime Minister to have a beard was the


Marcus of Salisbury in 1900s, 1902, something like that. He had a bushy,


full beard, a bit like that character in Fools And Horses. He


has an uncle Albert beard! Karl Marx, yes he had another very full


beard! Other figures we can think of, well, of course, there was the


US President, Abraham Lincoln. Very successful leader, of course, he had


more of a goatee, I guess we'd call it now. Elsewhere on the range,


Gengis Khan. Beards have a chequered relationship. However, on matters


here, one Liberal Democrat is so enthused by his party, he has got


the words, "Lib Dem" Cut into his hair! Have a look! This is what he


has done on each side. That's how committed he is to the


cause! Maybe I could get the words, "BBC"


Cut into the sides of my hairment I don't think I've got enough hair.


Scrap that idea. Forget it. I think you should do it, Norman.


LAUGHTER So there is an election going on.


We are calling it What's The Chatter? Today we are talking about


echo chambers. What are they? Well, have a look at this.


He's the stats guy at the think-tank, Demos.


And his colleague Jamie Bartlett is here to tell us what the data means.


Welcome. I know that you enjoyed Norman's chat on beards a moment


ago! Let's talk more about the echo chamber because we heard the


principle, Josh and I know you wanted to know if that principle is


going on with the 200,000 supporters you followed. You generated a chart


and explain what we're looking at here? What you're looking, we're


interested in not only people were saying and who they were talking to


and what the conversations were and each of the dots on this graph is a


user on Twitter. And each line represents a conversation. So if I


tweet to you, you will get a notification that I've, I'm talking


to you, but you will be connected by a line on this graph. Now, the only


thing that determines where the users are on this graph is who


they're talking to and how much. We've coloured them by party, but


that's what is determining their position. The really interesting


thing that we have seen coming out here and this is 1.5 million tweets


over the election period is that people are generally grouping by


their parties. This affects kind of various, depending on the parties,


Labour and Conservatives are grouped together, but they're more spread


out than the three other parties that we have been looking at. So


that's specifically then where you're identifying the echo chamber


going on, the Lib Dems, the SNP and Ukip? That's where we have seen this


effect strongest. So you can see and if we remove Labour and Conservative


from the graph, you can see that while there are conversations going


on between these clusters, they're much, much denser within themselves.


So most of the chatter within each of the parties are to the party


faithful, are to people who kind of share the same views. Jamie, tell me


what you've identified about people in the three parties and what they


are sharing? Well, so taking our sort of little clusters and taking


our samples of 200 from each of the parties, we were looking at the


tweets that were the most shared within them. So, I think the first


one comes from the SNP here. So this was the most shared within the SNP


group. And as you can see this is fairly inward looking. Essentially


it is Nicola Sturgeon saying that Alex Salmond was right by saying


that the Labour manifesto is essentially a rip off of some SNP


policies. Very popular amongst SNP supporters. So that was


reverberating around about that, but what about the Liberal Democrats? A


sort of similar one. A self congratulatetry tweet from the


Liberal Democrats. This was the most shared within that cluster and it's


essentially again Tim Farron's vision to change Britain and


apparently the voters were loving it. All Or Now message. What about


Ukip? This was interesting because the Ukip one was not directly about


the election. That was if you like a bit more on the core territory of


Ukip, it was about a terrorism case in court. I don't know what you draw


from that, may be that the focus is not solely on the election the Ukip,


this was a bit of an outlier if you like, it was about a broader issue


than this election. Won interesting. If we look of the tweets they are


sending, the outlook is a bit different. They are engaging in


debate with each other a bit more. And the shape here is interesting,


these clusters are much closer together, much more connecting these


two parties than we saw the other three parties earlier. They were


focusing mainly on the same issues, in this last week, both parties


talking about Eurovision. The Labour manifesto is a big topic of


discussion. There are still groupings but there is more talk


between them. So Jamie. Eurovision is a cross-party issue expat what


else? The big story last week politically was ransomware, which as


we saw was this piece of malware that was infecting computers and


causing trouble particularly for the NHS because it was locking files


that had to be decrypted. Ransomware was being talked about by all of the


parties. One of the most popular tweets of all was this one from Paul


Mason, about should we be upgrading trident Fumic uneven seemed to fix


an exploit of Windows XP. That was the problem which resulted in some


of the ransomware. And this was especially popular with SNP voters,


probably because of the trident aspect. With the cyber attacks seen


as Jeremy Corbyn things. Among Labour supporters it was this one


that was most shared. This is the interesting thing. The received


wisdom in electoral politics as if we are talking about the NHS, Labour


is winning. That is what strategists have always thought. Labour


supporters on Twitter were more likely to be talking about this


ransomware than those from the Conservative Party. They especially


focused on the fact that Jeremy Corbyn had been speaking about a tax


that very morning on the NHS from things like -- speaking about


attacks. The Tories did not engage in any way the same volume. The


Labour Party wants to get the conversation onto the NHS of this


was the way to do it. Where they did talk about this and I think it


reflects the strengths of the different party as they perceive it


themselves, Conservative supporters on twitter were just sharing


information about it being an international cyber attack. It


wasn't only the UK targeted. That kind of puts the conversation onto


national security, where the Conservatives feel more confident.


It is a good place for the Conservatives to take these issues


of the day and spend them in a way that they think it works for them.


What is the biggest tweet of the week? This was picked up by every


party except the Conservative Party, everyone else loved it. Someone has


noticed that the bus to Theresa May is currently touring the country in


is exactly the same bus, if you look at the license plate, that was


flagging up the boat Remain campaign just a few months ago. This is


potentially a side of the campaign Theresa May would like to be


forgotten, obviously she was on the Remain side back then. It is like a


perfect tweet, it is funny and clever and simple. You can't get


away with anything on twitter. One mistake and it will get picked up


and shared widely. Thank you both. We will keep updating with them


throughout the campaign. Horseracing is a sport worth over


?3 billion to the British economy, watched live by six million people


a year in Britain. But if women choose it as career,


are they being held back? The first ever survey


into gender in horse-racing Despite more women than ever before


entering the sport, the research finds they are underrepresented


in the most prominent It highlights examples


of "entrenched prejudice Our sports correspondent,


Joe Wilson, has seen the report. Most other sports have done their


gender survey and come up with a gender survey. Researchers from


Oxford Brookes, they were survey more, ask questions, interviewed. We


should say this is all anonymous. It has enabled a lot of people in the


industry and in the sport to speak more candidly than they have before.


There was a range of views, some people would see racing as a


meritocracy, whereby you get what you put in, hard work is rewarded,


but a lot of people disagree. Most people responded, they were female,


but not all. We have seen comments like I was told specifically not to


ask for promotion, that there was talk of a bullying culture within


yards. And the key bit of it is that women from across the industry


reported being patronised, not taken seriously or being denied


opportunities because of their gender. Those other key aspects of


it. Why has it taken so long for horse racing to be looked at? That


is a good question. A lot of sports that get funding from the lottery,


they have to have this sort of study. Something I hear is that this


is enabling people to say haps what they bottled up for a long time. If


you look at horse racing as a sport, what is interesting is that the


number of people going into it through colleges, trying to get


their first job on it, are women. It is something like a 70-30 split. The


interesting thing is how quickly do they face a ceiling, find a barrier


to aggression within the sport? Tell us about the indications. Jockeys is


one of a high-profile thing. Across-the-board, about 6%, just 6%


of horses that are ridden and races that are ridden by women. If you


look at trainers who have that responsible at E of looking after


horses, turning them into, we went to Newmarket where there are over 70


trainers in that town alone. You will find about of them are women.


We spoke to Amy Murphy, the youngest trainer in the town. When I asked


her specifically whether she felt it was more difficult for a woman to


make progress than a man, she came up with an interesting answer which


hopefully we can hear from now. You have to get the support


I have to support get the support and sometimes I think,


probably, as a woman, you're having to prove yourself


before people want to support you, whereas if you were a man they might


probably, as a woman, you're having to prove yourself


before people want to support you, whereas if you were a man they might


But, you know, we've had great support and great loyalty


Whether I would have had that from day one had I not had


the results we've had already, I'm not sure, but I'm


so, Joe, how have the sport 's governing body respond to this? They


say they welcome the report. They have given me a response. As you


will see, he says it is a stark reminder that while they had been


making progress, there is a lot to do over all areas of diversity. We


are restating our commitment to improve diversity in our sport, they


say. One other element which I think is interesting is if you look at the


boards, the directors, there is a lot of them looking after various


areas. The BH a restructured recently to bring more women in at


director level. But that issue of the people in boardrooms rather than


people in stables, and whether they are women rather than men, is


another key issue. Thank you very much. Susanna Gill, what is your


reaction to this? Good morning, great to be in the show. We are here


to launch this research and it is a great step forward for the sport.


The first time this piece of work has been done. As Joe said, people


have been really honest in their feedback and it has led to a really


great report from the team at Oxford Brookes who have looked at many


other sectors before looking at horse racing. I hope today's report


is just the start of what we want to do, that we now have a commitment


from the BHA and others in the sport to look at diversity and women in


racing can support that. Hopefully, year-on-year, we will see progress


made. As Joe was saying, it is one thing the BHA doing a positive thing


in terms of getting more women on the board but when it comes down to


the individual stables and what is going on at grassroots, how


difficult is it to connect the two? That is right, the BHA has to set an


example from the top. But what we need is to have monitoring and to


know what is going which happened until this report. The BHA are


committed to doing that and setting an example from the top and it has


to be a no tolerance approach to any inappropriate behaviour in the


sport, especially yards, because that is where seven people are


coming into the sport and experiencing it for the first time


in a working environment. Can you give us some anecdotes of the worst


things you have heard? Some of the things you hear is that men's tend


to sometimes dominated, some of the language used, and we have seen it


in other sports, where women have the sort of go along with it rather


than stand up and say actually I am not happy with that. I have done


that in my own environment. In the Oxford Brookes team that looked at


this, you find that type of behaviour in any sector and it is


well reported these days. It is about women having the confidence to


say actually I am not comfortable with that, it is not appropriate and


it went help us get on in our career. Everyone in positions of


influence need to set an example. Why has it gone on so long in horse


racing? Is it so bad in comparison to other sports? It hasn't been


discussed in horse racing before because this research has not been


done. There hasn't been anyone to make it happen. Until women in


racing worked with the Oxford Brookes research team. I don't think


racing is worse than other sports but this has cast a light on it and


allowed us to address the key issues that the report raises. Thank you


very much. Just a reminder, we're going to be


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