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Winter fuel payments will be stopped for wealthier pensioners

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and changes will be made to the way people are assessed for social care.

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Two of the headline policies in the Conservative manifesto to be

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Everyone will have the security of knowing they can pass on one

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hundred thousand pounds to their children and grandchildren.

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At the moment you can be cleaned out to as little as ?23,000,

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Other promises include a renewed pledge to cut immigration

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to the tens of thousands and plans to end free school meals for

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Also in the programme, Lauren Sandell was 18 when she died

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of meningitis W in her first term at university.

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Her mother will tell us why it's vital that sixth-formers get

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And the double Olympic champion Nicola Adams

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is with us this morning to talk about about

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turning professional, getting engaged to fellow top boxer

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Marlen Esparza and about her life growing up in Leeds.

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I was just thinking I want to win a gold medal. The whole being a role

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model came with it. Politicians like it out in front of

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sceptical voters. You left a note telling the country you spent all

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the money. You are punching harder. Nicola Adams will be with us

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after ten, so if you have any questions for her then do

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get in touch. We'd also love your comments on the

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Conservative Party manifesto - especially if you or your parents

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are likely to be affected by new Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and If you text, you will be charged An end to winter fuel payments

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for wealthier pensioners, new measures to curb immigration

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and cuts to free school meals, are some of the policies

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in the Conservative Party's manifesto being

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published this morning. Let's get more from our political

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Guru, Norman Smith. Finally we get to hear what is in

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it. Welcome from the Tory manifesto launch was not what I am expecting

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is a pretty bold package. Not quite a run at five bar gate but it is

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ambitious. There will be some pain for pensioners, some painful

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business. Old Cameron policies will be junked as Therese me tries to set

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out own very distinctive agenda pitched predominantly at lower

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income voters are not the middle classes, as my colleague reports.

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When her manifesto is unveiled, Theresa May promises to create

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greater fairness between the generations and to offer help

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Previous Conservative commitments to protect pensioner incomes

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If re-elected, the pensions triple lock would become a double

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The state pension would rise in line with earnings,

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or prices, but a minimum 2.5% annual increase would not be guaranteed.

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Winter fuel payments would be means tested to help meet the costs

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For the first time, many elderly people receiving

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care in their own home would have to make

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The full cost would only be applied to people

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Payment could be deferred until after death.

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At the other end, schools in England would be protected from any losses

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Free school meals for infants would be canned.

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Schools would have to provide breakfasts and children from poor

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backgrounds would be provided free meals.

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Theresa May hopes this will demonstrate that she is willing

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to take big, difficult decisions and provide proof

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that her premiership would not be defined by the phrase,

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Martin, what we learned from this are two things. To recent me is

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determined to set out an ambitious, non-Brexit agenda. She does not just

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want to be defined by Brexit. She wants other landmark policies that

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she now feels she is at the peak of her powers, maximum Me. If she's

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going to push through these changes, now is the time to do it, not in a

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few years' time if she wins the election and she is in the rough and

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tumble of government and her authority eroded away. She does not

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have political capital to push through these changes. The mood

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music we are getting from her is now is the time to try to do some of

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these big changes. We will talk more about peak Theresa May later. Thank

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you very much. Annita is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary A former head of the FBI,

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Robert Mueller, has been appointed to investigate allegations

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that Russia interfered Calls for an independent

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investigation have been growing since President Trump fired the FBI

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director James Comey. As part of the inquiry Congress

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and the FBI will look into potential links between Mr Trump's campaign

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team and the Russian regime. Many GP surgeries across the UK

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are on the "brink of collapse" because of underfunding

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and staff shortages, The Conservatives say there are more

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doctors and they have increased funding to the NHS,

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but the head of the British Medical Association's GP committee warns

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a record number of practices The GP service is a very precious,

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overstretched service. It needs to be used responsibly. More than

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anything else you need resources to be able to provide a proper health

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service if you are too tried to deliver aims of any civilised

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nation. The former First Minister of Wales

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and Labour MP, Rhodri Morgan, Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru have

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suspended election campaigning today Colleagues have described him

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as Welsh through and through. James Williams reports

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from Cardiff. Charismatic, intelligent,

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controversial. In an era of political soundbites,

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Rhodri Morgan spoke Does a one-legged duck

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swim in a circle? And yet he was a political animal

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to the core, first elected in 1987. But after the creation

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of the Welsh Assembly he had his heart set

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on taking the helm in Cardiff. After two failures to do so,

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it would be the third time lucky. I think most of all,

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his great achievement was in bringing devolution

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into practical effect and helping it to grow and become popular at a time

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when it was on very shaky ground During his time as First Minister

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he would lead a Labour administration and

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entered two coalitions. One with the Liberal Democrats,

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the other with Plaid Cymru. In office he pursued a strategy

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of putting clear water between his ministers in Cardiff

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and Tony Blair's New Labour. Paying tribute, the former

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Prime Minister said that Mr Morgan was an outstanding servant

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of Wales, the United Kingdom His successor says that Wales has

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not just lost a great politician The former First Minister of Wales

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and Labour MP, Rhodri Morgan, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn

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will be absent as Britain's political leaders take part

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in a prime time TV debate. The ITV event will see

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Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron, Ukip's Paul Nuttall and the SNP's

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Nicola Sturgeon lock horns. Plaid Cymru's Leanne Wood and Green

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co-leader Caroline Lucas will also take part in the two-hour show

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being broadcast from Salford. The Prime Minister has refused

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to take part in TV debates and the Labour leader said

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he would not participate The broadcaster has said

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the invitation to take part remains open until the programme

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starts at 8pm. A group representing dozens

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of recycling organisations has named and shamed the six products

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in your shopping trolley that Pringles and Lucozade topped

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the list, while black plastic meat trays were also highlighted

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as a problem by the Our environment analyst

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Roger Harrabin reports. We are running short

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of holes in the ground Yet landfill sites are peppered

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with product that are supposed The trouble is that so many products

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nowadays have several different types of materials

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in their packaging. That can make them almost

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impossible to recycle. The foil interior, the cardboard

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sleeve, the metal bottom. There are different plastics

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in the base of the bottle Black plastic is virtually

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useless for recycling. So what will stop us dumping complex

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packages straight into the bin? Well, Prince Charles is launching

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a $2 million prize to stimulate new and more environmentally

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friendly designs and packaging. If the competition works,

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it will be easier in the future to shop for items that

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do not fill a landfill. Pringles says the packaging protects

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the crisps and saves waste while Lucozade insists the firm does

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care for the environment. Almost 2,000 species of plants have

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been discovered in the past year but many are already at risk

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of extinction. The Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew has

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released its annual assessment of the state of the world's plants

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and is calling for more to be They include species used for food,

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medicine and timber. A member of Japan's Royal

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family, Princess Mako, is to surrender her royal status

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by marrying a former Princess Mako, who is the eldest

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granddaughter of Emperor Akihito, is getting engaged to 25-year-old

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law firm worker, Kei Komuro. Japan's imperial law requires

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a princess to leave the royal family The move is expected to re-ignite

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debate on royal succession, as the 83-year-old emperor

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is expected to abdicate soon. That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30am. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged I understand what is being called as

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the most lucrative game in the world, Huddersfield beating

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Sheffield Wednesday on penalties. We would here it is the most expensive

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game. It was a dramatic night last night. That show you some of these

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pictures. This is Danny Ward, the Huddersfield goalkeeper saving in a

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penalty shoot out. The figure, ?200 million is through team that

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finishes bottom of the Premier League next season. The team that is

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relegated within a year will make upwards of ?80 million in parachute

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payments was then you have kicked and shirt branding details. That is

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the Huddersfield owner in the crowd for that he'll be counting the coins

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ahead of a Premier League season. David Wagoner ahead of a premiership

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play-off final. Match day earnings of at least ?1 million increased

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from the championship. That adds up to nearly ?200 million. Huddersfield

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already will earn at least ?290 million if they avoid relegation

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next season. Huge amounts of money. Plenty of places to spend it.

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They'll be needing some new players ahead of the premiere season --

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Premier League season. Another record held by Cristiano Ronaldo. He

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is only 31 years old he has broken the 46 year European scoring record

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held by Jimmy Greaves. He did it last night when rearm adrift the

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Celta Vigo. This was his 367th goal. -- real Madrid. He then got a

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second. 4-1 it finished. They will clinch the La Liga title with a draw

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at Malaga on Sunday. Barcelona, the nearest rivals, need to beat Eibar.

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The headlines in half an hour. We'll also be speaking to best treble ten

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o'clock. Thank you. Policies designed to

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"confront the challenges of our time" - that's how

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the Conservatives are selling their manifesto,

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which sets out what they will do Theresa May says she will take "big

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and difficult" decisions, So, let's have a look

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at some of them. Up to ?300 in winter fuel payments

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will be lost by wealthy pensioners. More elderly people will have

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to pay for their care. But they won't have to sell

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their homes before they die, and can pass on at least ?100,000

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to their relatives. A new pledge to curb immigration,

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including a re-statement of the commitment to cut net

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migration to under 100,000 per year. And increasing school

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funding by ?4 billion, including a promise to scrap free

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school lunches for infants to pay for free breakfasts

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for all primary pupils. Norman Smith is waiting with more

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details. Here we are, blast off day for Theresa May's manifesto. This

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manifested junks key bits of the camera in years and takes on many of

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those groups and interests shielded in the Cameron years from the full

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force of posterity. Top of the pile, pensioners, who will use their

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winter fuel allowance. Better off pensioners will lose it. They will

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lose the triple lock on pensions and there will be no guarantee the state

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pension will increase by at least 2.5%. That is similarly with

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business. They will face more regulation, more bills, more red

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tape to enhance employee rights. Today they are getting another bill.

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If they want to take in migrant labour from outside the EU. The cost

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of that will double. The most contentious area centres on the huge

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issue of social care. For years politicians have been dodging it.

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Today, Theresa May tries to grapple with it. One almighty Barney has

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blown up over the Tory plans. What are they? Theresa May has junked

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David Cameron's pledge of a cap on the amount you would have debate

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before the state stepped in to paper your care costs. That was set at

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around ?72,000. She is suggesting a floor of ?100,000. What does that

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mean question that means you would have to pay everything until your

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assets came down to ?100,000. She says that is generous and you can

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pass on ?100,000 of your wealth to your children. Critics say, in the

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real world, it means most families who own a home will have to pay for

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all their care costs. An average house costs ?250,000. You would have

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to fund ten, 20, 30, 40, 50, right down to ?100,000 of that careful

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that many ordinary families would a bigger the drab. This morning Health

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Secretary Jeremy Hunt defended the plans on the grounds of

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intergenerational fairness. Why should younger taxpayers have to

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pick up the tab for older people in need of care? Have a listen. What we

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are saying is if you want everyone to have the security to pass on,

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that will cost around ?2 billion a year, so it is a significant amount.

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We are saying the fairway to pay for that is not through taxes that have

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to be paid by younger people often struggling to make ends meet, but by

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removing some of the entitlements for older people, better off

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pensioners who currently get the winter fuel allowance, who won't now

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get it under these proposals. But those same pensioners will have the

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security of knowing that whatever happens to them and their care

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costs, they will be able to pass a significant sum of money onto

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children and grandchildren. Massive pressure on the health service, what

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are you going to do about it and what will this manifesto offer? The

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NHS has done magnificently well in incredibly challenging

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circumstances. We recognise we need more doctors, more nursing and more

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funding. We will be increasing funding to the NHS beyond what we've

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currently committed to do. But other parties are promising to do that as

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well, and the choice is which party is most likely to be able to deliver

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on that promise to increase funding to the NHS. So more cash for the

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NHS. We know Labour are promising ?7 billion for the health service, the

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Liberal Democrats a similar sum. Puel wait see what the Tories are

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promising. Stepping into the ring is the man charged by the government

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for coming up with a strategy for solving social care and he

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originally said we need a cap, we need to cap people's costs so they

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don't face unlimited care charges. This morning he said he was

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disappointed by the Tory package. If you are somebody who at the moment

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is in a residential care home, so you have moved out of your own home

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and are being looked after in a residential facility, you will be

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able to keep more of your money than used to be the case. That was a

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crucial part of the recommendations that are commission made. They

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proposed increasing the threshold actually to ?125,000. But there is

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another group who will be made worse off, and those people are getting

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care in their own homes, because for the first time the value of their

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house is now going to be taken into account, so they would have to start

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paying in a way they haven't done so far. At the big problem is that

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although the government is saying what it would do is that everybody

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would be able to get support once they were down to their last

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?100,000, many people have much more than that, and face no way of

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controlling their care costs, which can run into many many hundreds of

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thousands of pounds each, so the lack of any form of pooling of risk

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of social insurance is a huge problem. It means still people will

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not be able to take control of this vital area of their lives. The

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winter fuel allowance at the moment costs about ?2.1 billion a year, so

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some fraction of that could be saved if it was to be taken away for

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better off pensioners was that my own sense is that pensioners are not

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opposed to some actions in the value of that, if what they were being

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offered in return was a deal that meant they could take control of

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their own lives. I don't think pensioners wanted more money, they

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wanted this terrible market failure solved. That has not been solved and

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I think some pensioners will be pretty cross that they are losing

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something without feeling they are getting much in return. So what we

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see this morning? We see the Theresa May basically going for it, this is

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Max made. And we are seeing a tilt the lower income groups and away

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from the, they lose winter fuel allowance, free school meals for

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that Hull their children, a move away from Middle England the

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ordinary working families. Thank you very much.

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With us now to discuss that, and more, is Ryan Gray,

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who works for a charity, previously voted Conservative,

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but may not this time around; Daniel Rushton,

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a former Labour and Ukip voter, who's going to vote Conservative;

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and Sean Worth, a former adviser to ex-Prime Minister, David Cameron,

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and the current Director of the Westminster Policy Institute.

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Good morning, welcome to all of you, thank you for joining us. First of

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all, Sean, a lot of focus on social capital stock who will Theresa May

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and the Conservative Party, it is not just about her, who will they be

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trying to appeal to? That particular policy I think will appeal to

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people's sense that the system is kind of being made fairer,

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generally. I don't think it will be terribly popular because it is quite

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a tough measure. Social care is incomplete crisis, has been for a

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long time, no politician has gripped it. This is an attempt to save his

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not fair for working age people to continue to pay more and more and

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more for the social care costs of a group of people who have become

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richer at least an assets terms progressively since the 1960s. So it

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is a technical policy. I think it is very fair and the right thing to do.

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I don't think it will be massively popular. But then remember that most

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pensioners tend to vote Conservative, so you are not taking

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a huge political risk in doing something like this. Daniel, you

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have moved from Labour to Ukip to the Conservatives. What about what

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you have heard so far in this manifesto would keep you voting

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Conservative this time? I don't think it is so much about what is

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just in the manifesto, I think it is the whole leadership issue for me as

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well. And I don't mean to steal the Theresa May's tag line but she seems

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to be the stronger and more stable of the choices at the moment. So

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what she has in the manifesto is issues to all of us, but I just

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believe Labour can deliver on anything they are promising, and I

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certainly wouldn't go down the Liberal Democrat route either. We

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have had a text message, saying regarding the social care social,

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those who have saved a small month old age get hit again. -- social

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care measures. Don't save, spend it instead, is that the message you

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would take away from it? I don't think the youth of today understand

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about saving anyway so that would fall on deaf ears. But I do think

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that is the case at all. Yes, you do still need to save and plan for your

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future and I think the idea that we can see until our retirement and

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hoped there would be something there would be naive anyway to not put

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away a nest egg for yourself and your family. So I think it is the

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right thing to do. Ryan, and you have been wavering about whether to

:25:00.:25:02.

vote Conservative this time, which way are you wearing the moment? For

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me, it is more a question of whether I vote Conservative or whether I

:25:09.:25:12.

spoil my ballot. I don't think Labour are in a credible position, I

:25:13.:25:16.

don't think the Lib Dems are, and Ukip and greens, I don't consider

:25:17.:25:19.

them a possibility of being in government so I feel it would be a

:25:20.:25:22.

first -- a waste of a vote for myself. So far what has come out the

:25:23.:25:28.

manifesto of what will come out, sorry, sounds quite promising.

:25:29.:25:32.

Intergenerational inequality is quite big on my agenda and I think

:25:33.:25:36.

it is something that successive governments have failed to tackle. I

:25:37.:25:41.

voted Conservative in 2015 and I was quite disappointed, that Osborne and

:25:42.:25:44.

Cameron, it was not on their agenda, it is something that has been in

:25:45.:25:48.

crisis for a long time and needs to be addressed. An e-mail from Daphne

:25:49.:25:52.

saying Sir Alan Sugar didn't need his winter fuel allowance and

:25:53.:25:57.

founder was no way to return May has made a brave decision, absolutely

:25:58.:26:01.

right. -- he found there was no way to return it. Mrs May has made a

:26:02.:26:06.

brave decision. You may have elderly relatives affected by this? In all

:26:07.:26:12.

honesty, I do know if my relatives will be affected. I can imagine it

:26:13.:26:16.

will be quite unpopular with some people, taking money away tends to

:26:17.:26:20.

be unpopular but what we have to acknowledge is that the gap between

:26:21.:26:23.

quite a lot of people now who are in work, who are in poverty. We have an

:26:24.:26:27.

issue with the triple lock on which I know the manifesto talks about

:26:28.:26:32.

making a double lock. And we need to address that in work and pensioners,

:26:33.:26:36.

how much each other getting. Because I remember reading about it that

:26:37.:26:40.

pensioners are doing better than people in work and I think that has

:26:41.:26:44.

to be addressed. How can I or another taxpayer be paying into a

:26:45.:26:47.

system where someone who is doing better than I am who is working and

:26:48.:26:50.

paying those taxes for that pension system to exist at the moment. Sean,

:26:51.:26:56.

in the past, the real fault line for the Conservatives has been Europe.

:26:57.:26:59.

We now know we have voted for Brexit and we are going to leave, whatever

:27:00.:27:06.

form that is in, so where are the new four lines? Might it be this

:27:07.:27:09.

sense of interventionism Theresa May is hinting at? I think the real

:27:10.:27:12.

issue for the Conservative Party, you are right, Europe has been a

:27:13.:27:15.

fault line for a long time and David Cameron brought it to a head with

:27:16.:27:18.

the referendum and that decision has been made to the public and they

:27:19.:27:23.

made a decision. Both your voters there are looking at this election,

:27:24.:27:27.

it reflects more broadly in the electorate as well, not necessarily

:27:28.:27:32.

about the technicalities of bits of policies and whether four lines are

:27:33.:27:35.

but leadership. The big fault line Theresa May has to cross, the big

:27:36.:27:40.

threshold is broadening the Conservative Party's appeal beyond,

:27:41.:27:45.

and this is a big player she is making today, beyond the core voters

:27:46.:27:50.

it has enjoyed for a long time. In areas in the north of England, among

:27:51.:27:54.

poorer income groups, the kinds of people who vote Conservative but not

:27:55.:27:59.

enough in those areas to return a government traditionally, return MPs

:28:00.:28:02.

in those areas traditionally, sorry. And the big test for her is can

:28:03.:28:07.

cheapish the Conservative Party appeal much more broadly than it has

:28:08.:28:12.

been so far? Because she has been accused of being rather presidential

:28:13.:28:15.

about it and it all coming from her. How much involvement will the wider

:28:16.:28:18.

Conservative Party have had in putting together this manifesto,

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given that she seems to play her cards quite close to her chest? I

:28:23.:28:26.

have been involved in manifestos in the past and I gather the process

:28:27.:28:29.

was similar in this one. There is input from others, from the Cabinet,

:28:30.:28:34.

from policy teams that are made up of MPs and then the party more

:28:35.:28:38.

broadly. So there is, but you are right that she takes what some

:28:39.:28:41.

people would call the presidential style, but the big player in this

:28:42.:28:45.

election is about her versus Jeremy Corbyn. You have seen this say by

:28:46.:28:53.

herself. Why not have a campaign run on that basis? But some of the

:28:54.:28:58.

policies that she seems to be likely to hear about could easily have come

:28:59.:29:02.

from labour, and Labour seem in some people's minds to have been more

:29:03.:29:05.

generous with what they are promising. The energy cap, that is

:29:06.:29:09.

exactly what Ed Miliband promise not so long ago. Has she no shame?

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LAUGHTER It is a good policy. Her fundamental

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position on questions like that is not that she is retreating from a

:29:20.:29:23.

belief in markets and competition and all of that that conservatives

:29:24.:29:27.

have offended over the years, but it is the proposal that does produce a

:29:28.:29:34.

good economy and choice of consumers, but if you have some

:29:35.:29:38.

companies getting too big that they can treat customers unfairly or

:29:39.:29:41.

whatever, that market is not working and that belief in markets, in

:29:42.:29:45.

competition and business effectively, will leach away and

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that is something you have got to protect by policing it a bit tougher

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in certain areas the stop you don't see her actually taking on a great

:29:54.:29:56.

deal of what Jeremy Corbyn is saying. Jeremy Corbyn's manifesto is

:29:57.:30:00.

genuinely massively radical compared to what we will probably see from

:30:01.:30:04.

the Conservatives today. I think her plans are pretty bold and they will

:30:05.:30:07.

have to be, to broaden her appeal, but they are not so radical that she

:30:08.:30:11.

is departing from core conservative values. Thank you all very much. We

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will of course find out much more about the manifesto at 11 o'clock.

:30:22.:30:25.

Just a reminder, we're going to be in Dunstable in Bedfordshire

:30:26.:30:28.

on Monday 29th May for a big election audience debate.

:30:29.:30:31.

If you've made up your mind already who you're going to vote for,

:30:32.:30:34.

still deciding or don't think you'll bother - and would like the chance

:30:35.:30:37.

to share your views and grill senior politicians on their policies -

:30:38.:30:40.

More details on our facebook and twitter pages.

:30:41.:30:51.

Still to come. A mother tells us her teenage daughter might still be

:30:52.:30:59.

alive if she had been vaccinated against meningitis W. Politicians

:31:00.:31:06.

fight it out in the ring, trying to score points from sceptical voters.

:31:07.:31:12.

Tuition fees are 9000 and rising, the health service is on its knees

:31:13.:31:16.

and the emergency services, ambulance, police and fire brigade

:31:17.:31:17.

have been cut to ribbons. Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom

:31:18.:31:22.

with a summary of todays news. The Conservatives have an veiled

:31:23.:31:35.

plans that would see many more people in England pay the care in

:31:36.:31:44.

their own home. For the first time the value of a person's property

:31:45.:31:49.

over ?100,000 would be taken into account as to whether they would be

:31:50.:31:52.

eligible for free care if they continue living there. The Tory

:31:53.:31:58.

manifesto also includes to end a guarantee that the state pension

:31:59.:31:59.

will rise by at least 2.5% a year. A former head of the FBI,

:32:00.:32:06.

Robert Mueller, has been appointed to investigate allegations

:32:07.:32:09.

that Russia interfered Calls for an independent

:32:10.:32:11.

investigation have been growing since President Trump fired the FBI

:32:12.:32:13.

director James Comey. As part of the inquiry,

:32:14.:32:16.

Congress and the FBI links between Mr Trump's campaign

:32:17.:32:18.

team and the Russian regime. Many GP surgeries across the UK

:32:19.:32:23.

are on the "brink of collapse" because of underfunding

:32:24.:32:26.

and staff shortages, The Conservatives say there are more

:32:27.:32:27.

doctors, and they have increased funding to the NHS,

:32:28.:32:35.

but the head of the British Medical Association's GP committee warns

:32:36.:32:37.

a record number of practices Two of the UK's most popular snacks,

:32:38.:32:57.

Pringles and Lucozade, have been criticised by the industry as being

:32:58.:33:03.

almost impossible to recycle. Pringle said protect the crisps and

:33:04.:33:06.

saves waste while Lucozade save the company does care for the

:33:07.:33:10.

environment. The Commons were made as Prince Charles is about to launch

:33:11.:33:14.

a ?1.5 million prize for designs that are both effective and

:33:15.:33:15.

recyclable. A member of Japan's Royal

:33:16.:33:23.

family, Princess Mako, is to surrender her royal status

:33:24.:33:25.

by marrying a former Princess Mako, who is the eldest

:33:26.:33:27.

granddaughter of Emperor Akihito, is getting engaged to 25-year-old

:33:28.:33:31.

law firm worker, Kei Komuro. Japan's imperial law requires

:33:32.:33:33.

a princess to leave the royal family The move is expected to re-ignite

:33:34.:33:36.

debate on royal succession, as the 83-year-old emperor

:33:37.:33:39.

is expected to abdicate soon. That's a summary of

:33:40.:33:48.

the latest BBC News. Huddersfield Town are one game away

:33:49.:34:03.

from promotion to the Premier League after a 1-1 draw with Sheffield

:34:04.:34:08.

Wednesday. They won on penalties last night to book a showdown with

:34:09.:34:13.

Reading. It is being labelled the ?200 million match. In the Premier

:34:14.:34:17.

League last night Southampton were left to rue missed chances. There

:34:18.:34:20.

was a dull goalless jaw with Manchester United. If United win

:34:21.:34:26.

their remaining games it would be their lowest tally of wins in a

:34:27.:34:32.

single season. The Chelsea winning run came to an end last night.

:34:33.:34:39.

Arsenal and a 2-2 draw. They are second, six of leaders Liverpool

:34:40.:34:43.

with a couple of games in hand. Kyle Edmond has followed Andy Marion

:34:44.:34:48.

making an early exit from the Rome Masters. -- Andy Murray. I will be

:34:49.:34:59.

back at ten o'clock when Beth treble joins us live.

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Lauren Sandell was just 18 years old when she died of Meningitis W

:35:03.:35:05.

She had just gone off to university and had no idea how ill she was -

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initially putting her symptoms down to stress or food poisoning.

:35:12.:35:15.

Lauren could have been saved by a simple vaccine,

:35:16.:35:17.

but although teenagers are untitled to get it, take up is very low

:35:18.:35:20.

In some areas, take-up is as low as ten percent.

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Let's speak now to Lauren's mother, Sharon Sandell.

:35:28.:35:30.

Also joining us is Claire Wright, who works in prevention at

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Good morning to both of you. I know it is very war for you is still so

:35:34.:35:46.

we are especially grateful that you have come to talk to us about it.

:35:47.:35:52.

Lauren just went off to university. When did you get an idea she was

:35:53.:35:56.

really poorly? On Thursday afternoon she said she had got stressed at

:35:57.:36:00.

university and given herself a really bad headache. She was on the

:36:01.:36:04.

phone to me and was quite stressed about university and whether she

:36:05.:36:08.

wanted to stay. I tried to calm her down and she said she felt sick.

:36:09.:36:14.

Afterwards, she said she thought she had given herself food poisoning. I

:36:15.:36:21.

text is heard to say, if you need anything, give me a call. She woke

:36:22.:36:26.

up saying she had a headache, a bit then a cake and backache. She had

:36:27.:36:30.

had a net cake twice in the summer, so I was not that concerned. -- neck

:36:31.:36:37.

ache. Her boyfriend was going to stay with her at uni that evening

:36:38.:36:41.

and she was cooking a meal. She did go to a pharmacy to try to get

:36:42.:36:48.

something stronger. She was with her boyfriend and I did not speak to her

:36:49.:36:52.

again until he phoned at four o'clock the next morning saying she

:36:53.:36:58.

was shaking. I thought her blood sugar levels might be low and the

:36:59.:37:08.

shaking said it could be -- and I researched shaking and it said it

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could be a side-effect of food poisoning. He said she was hot all

:37:12.:37:15.

over but nothing bad. About ten minutes later I called him again and

:37:16.:37:20.

he said, it she is OK, she stopped shaking. I never spoke to her again

:37:21.:37:26.

until one o'clock the next day. She said, we got up late, so we missed

:37:27.:37:31.

the train back home. The only thing she said on the Saturday was that

:37:32.:37:36.

her legs hurt. They travelled home and then when she got to Waterloo

:37:37.:37:40.

she said they were hungry and she was going to get something to eat

:37:41.:37:43.

and they would be home later. They were stuck on the tube. She was

:37:44.:37:48.

frustrated on the cheap. I ended up having to drive to get them. When I

:37:49.:37:53.

saw her, she just looked pale and tired and I knew she was really

:37:54.:37:58.

stressed about whether she wanted to stay at university. She came home,

:37:59.:38:02.

she went to the shop with my husband. She at half the dinner. All

:38:03.:38:07.

she said was about her legs. I ran her a bath. She was shaking again in

:38:08.:38:14.

the bathroom. I felt her leg and her head and it was cool. It was not

:38:15.:38:19.

hot, so I did not think she had a temperature. We spoke about

:38:20.:38:22.

university and it was going to be the first anniversary with her

:38:23.:38:25.

boyfriend in a couple of weeks' time she came down, watched the film and

:38:26.:38:33.

was ill. My husband told her to come up to get into bed with me. She was

:38:34.:38:38.

restless, went to the toilet, and said her eyes were a bit blurry.

:38:39.:38:43.

When I picked her up, I noticed that her hands and feet were really cold

:38:44.:38:48.

she had bad circulation so I was not massively alerted to that. She got

:38:49.:38:52.

back into bed and we were talking about moving to a London University.

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I was looking them up. Some of these symptoms you could pass off as

:38:59.:39:01.

belonging to a range of other diseases. What happened right in the

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end? I thought she was having a panic attack because her breathing

:39:09.:39:12.

got bad. I totally assumed she was so stressed about university that

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she was having a panic attack. My husband and my son left half an hour

:39:17.:39:22.

before she actually collapsed. That is what I thought I was dealing

:39:23.:39:27.

with. Her breathing got worse. You could be tribute these symptoms to a

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variety of different things, couldn't you? Stress in particular.

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Why is it that this group is so susceptible to Meningitis W and we

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do not know much about in the community? This particular strain of

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meningitis is particularly virulent. The symptoms are more subtle than

:39:50.:39:54.

other types of meningitis. That is why it is important for teenagers to

:39:55.:40:00.

be aware. That is why the meningitis foundation has put an eligibility

:40:01.:40:03.

check up online 90 people can go online and see if they are eligible

:40:04.:40:07.

for the vaccine could if they are, it tells them where to get it from.

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There has been a poor take-up in 17 to 20-year-olds from the GP. If any

:40:13.:40:17.

parents are out there with a 17 to 20-year-old they can go online, on

:40:18.:40:22.

the website, and see if that child is eligible for the vaccine. To make

:40:23.:40:27.

it more of a tragic story view, you had arranged for a vaccine for

:40:28.:40:34.

Lauren, haven't you? I went to the doctor myself on the Tuesday of the

:40:35.:40:36.

week Lauren went to university. I mentioned that my daughter was going

:40:37.:40:43.

to university on the Sunday that she had meningitis. She said they were

:40:44.:40:46.

snogging each other and they are calling it the kissing flu. I said,

:40:47.:40:50.

Lauren has a boyfriend that she won't be doing. She is in now. She

:40:51.:40:57.

said, I only have five and they were allocated. They did not have a jab

:40:58.:41:04.

for her. We have had a statement from the Royal College of GPs. They

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say it is quite confusing picture about who is eligible. Different

:41:09.:41:11.

rules and different sponsor Bluetooth applied for vaccinating

:41:12.:41:15.

different age groups. They do recognise there is a need for a long

:41:16.:41:20.

running, high profile campaign, so we all know what to look for to

:41:21.:41:25.

increase awareness. When will that happen? It is happening now. We have

:41:26.:41:30.

our eligibility check up online. This is a programme that has been

:41:31.:41:40.

ongoing over time. Just to emphasise, you have a 14 to

:41:41.:41:45.

20-year-old. Some younger age groups are being immunised at school. The

:41:46.:41:50.

17 to 20-year-olds will be immunised to reduce peak of that there has

:41:51.:41:56.

been a lower uptake. One third of those eligible have taken up. If you

:41:57.:42:03.

are a parent please go online and check eligibility. How available

:42:04.:42:08.

will the vaccine be at your GP surgery? Sharon tried to get it for

:42:09.:42:14.

Lauren and I only had five. Vaccine should be available. If your GP says

:42:15.:42:19.

there is a problem, do not take that for an answer. Just persist. You can

:42:20.:42:23.

come to the website or call the helpline for assistance if you're

:42:24.:42:27.

having trouble. Parents in your position want to do something

:42:28.:42:30.

useful, don't they question right you being here today is all about

:42:31.:42:39.

you wanting to raise awareness. How else are you trying to do that to

:42:40.:42:42.

get the message out? I did a video, a presentation in sixth form

:42:43.:42:44.

assembly at Lauren's school. They made a video and went out to all the

:42:45.:42:49.

schools. I just feel it is imperative we let parents know and

:42:50.:42:52.

give them the chance to get their child in collated. I think it has

:42:53.:42:58.

just been so shocking there were so many of us who did nothing about it

:42:59.:43:03.

and there was not a danger to the children. Your organisation will

:43:04.:43:08.

have lots of information. How can people get more details about the

:43:09.:43:12.

disease and how to prevent it? Just go online to the website. Just

:43:13.:43:18.

quickly tell us what Lauren was like. An amazing girl. She had a

:43:19.:43:23.

real spirit full really hard-working. She loved football and

:43:24.:43:31.

running. Running was her passion. She was a really wonderful girl.

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Thank you very much for coming in and talking to us today.

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The double Olympic champion Nicola Adams is with us this morning -

:43:42.:43:51.

to talk about about turning professional - getting engaged

:43:52.:43:53.

to fellow top boxer Marlen Esparza and about her life growing

:43:54.:43:55.

Do get in touch if there's a question you'd like answered.

:43:56.:43:59.

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Next, the controversy over the Russia connection. Now a former FBI

:44:10.:44:16.

boss has been brought in to oversee the inquiry into alleged Russian

:44:17.:44:18.

meddling in the US presidential election. A top lawyer has a long

:44:19.:44:25.

history with investigations and prosecutions for that he had just

:44:26.:44:28.

taken over charge of the FBI when hijacked planes were blown into New

:44:29.:44:39.

York and Washington. He was also James Comey's predecessor. He is

:44:40.:44:46.

widely seen as a safe, independent pair of and respected by Democrats

:44:47.:44:50.

and Republicans. Let's get some reaction

:44:51.:44:55.

a Republican journalist and broadcaster.

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thank you for joining us. How much of a surprise or shop is this going

:45:00.:45:08.

to have been to the White House? I think probably the White House was

:45:09.:45:13.

caught a bit unawares. Actually, I have to think they had been

:45:14.:45:17.

expecting it. They have been the target pretty hard. The president

:45:18.:45:22.

has been facing a number of forces. He has had the media that has been

:45:23.:45:28.

against him, excepting a lot of leaks from deep state, where these

:45:29.:45:33.

are unelected bureaucrats, that our intelligence that have been

:45:34.:45:38.

presented to them these anonymous sourced pieces of information. I

:45:39.:45:42.

think he has been expecting it was you talked about the former director

:45:43.:45:47.

of the FBI, mother, he is a decent guy. The military Marine. He served

:45:48.:45:55.

a couple of presidents on both the Democrats and Republicans side. I do

:45:56.:45:58.

not think he is worried. There are no charges are. What is so

:45:59.:46:07.

interesting about this is it is an open investigation. Some people

:46:08.:46:14.

would say, oh, my gosh! They will be on a fishing expedition. You never

:46:15.:46:16.

know what they will come up with. What a lot of people are concerned

:46:17.:46:21.

about on the Democratic side of the aisle is, who might be affected?

:46:22.:46:27.

Will it be Hillary Clinton, the former Attorney General, Loretta

:46:28.:46:31.

Lynch? Will you see the issue of the 30,000 e-mails of the classified

:46:32.:46:35.

documents? Will they be brought up? They have nothing right now to

:46:36.:46:43.

really conflict. In our country you are innocent until proven guilty.

:46:44.:46:48.

How it works with an impeachment has to go through the house and then be

:46:49.:46:55.

House has to represented to the Senate. The house is controlled by

:46:56.:46:59.

the Republican Party and so is the Senate. I do not think it will go

:47:00.:47:02.

anywhere. I think it will be good to clear it up. Either good guy.

:47:03.:47:11.

Indeed, it is a very high bar to cross, but from the reports we get

:47:12.:47:16.

this now morning in Britain, I disagree, and suggest that if the

:47:17.:47:19.

Trump campaign was in contact with Moscow in anyway, if President Trump

:47:20.:47:25.

said he wanted this investigation to stop, that will raise eyebrows

:47:26.:47:31.

certainly. Eyebrows are one thing you are going to raise eyebrows in

:47:32.:47:34.

Washington the matter what you do. No matter the old line, about a

:47:35.:47:39.

friend in Washington is one that stabs you in the heart are not the

:47:40.:47:43.

back. It is a tough town. So eyebrows are raised over time. He

:47:44.:47:47.

has not at this point, and both sides will agree to it. I think the

:47:48.:47:53.

most amazing statement I heard yesterday was from a friend of mine,

:47:54.:47:57.

a former Democratic member of Congress by the name of Dennis

:47:58.:48:01.

Kucinich, who is extremely worried that he believes that the deep state

:48:02.:48:06.

right now, meaning the intelligence community, is posing a clear and

:48:07.:48:09.

present danger to the Republic of the United States, because basically

:48:10.:48:14.

they are manipulating the scene and providing information to the fourth

:48:15.:48:19.

estate, meaning the press, and trying to influence the public. Now

:48:20.:48:24.

here's the thing that Dennis Kucinich said and also several

:48:25.:48:33.

republic -- several Republicans, it will backfire, even if you like or

:48:34.:48:37.

dislike come, it will create a martyr. The fact of the matter is

:48:38.:48:41.

yesterday I was with a lot of activists, talking about grassroot

:48:42.:48:46.

Republicans, and they are very unhappy, very mistrustful of the

:48:47.:48:54.

media, and they are just shutting off the mainstream press. So I think

:48:55.:48:58.

it is a bigger problem than just trying to get rid of Trump. Who gets

:48:59.:49:03.

hurt in this? Does the public get hurt, do we have another arm of the

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government trying to control the American people, meaning the

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intelligence community, that think if you don't do it our way, you are

:49:11.:49:15.

out, we will fix it so you are gone? And what happens to the media? We

:49:16.:49:20.

need to have a free press in our country, I know you do in the UK,

:49:21.:49:23.

and the fact of the matter is when that is compromised it really

:49:24.:49:27.

affects our free society. And I think many people are worried about

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that. Another way of looking at it might be that the security services

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are trying to uphold the rule of law. Blanquita, just one final quick

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question to you if you were just very briefly. How much unease and

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impatience is there with President Trump within the Republican party?

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It depends, remember it is not just one linear thought. Within the

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establishment, the ones that like things nice and safe, there is a bit

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of concern about it, but those who understand the American people

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elected him because they really did want to change the way Washington

:50:05.:50:07.

does business, because a lot of people believe that people get

:50:08.:50:10.

elected and they forget who hired them. They talk about the forgotten

:50:11.:50:16.

man, the forgotten woman, who is out there struggling right now, trying

:50:17.:50:19.

to get jobs and work and worried about their security, those

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Republican elected officials are very much behind President Trump.

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Blanquita with thank you very much. Republican broadcaster and

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journalist, Blanquita Kalam. Keep the questions coming in the Nicola

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Adams, we are talking to her after ten.

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But not content with leaving the boxing to Nicola,

:50:41.:50:42.

we thought we'd get the politicians involved, as where better to let

:50:43.:50:45.

them fight it out in front of voters than in a ring?

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Watch how four of the parties landed their punches,

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The countdown to election day is underway.

:50:51.:51:01.

With just weeks to go, parliamentary candidates

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are fighting to convince undecided voters their party has what it takes

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I'm fighting for the Labour Party to persuade people to vote Labour.

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Because it would be, in my view, better for the country than letting

:51:14.:51:20.

the Conservatives carry on with the policies they've been

:51:21.:51:22.

Economic stability, no matter what any of the other parties

:51:23.:51:26.

tell you, is all fantasy, because they have no idea

:51:27.:51:29.

You can say you will spend money in the NHS and education.

:51:30.:51:38.

If you crush the economy, it simply won't happen.

:51:39.:51:40.

That referendum was built on lies and deceit, and although some people

:51:41.:51:43.

knew what they were voting for, some didn't.

:51:44.:51:45.

I'm fighting to try and get a different voice into the houses

:51:46.:51:48.

of parliament, to hold the current government to account on Brexit,

:51:49.:51:52.

and to get some different thinking and not just have the main three

:51:53.:51:55.

parties dominating politics on every single issue.

:51:56.:51:56.

Since being crowned heavyweight champion of the world,

:51:57.:52:01.

Anthony Joshua has become the global face of boxing, and the popularity

:52:02.:52:04.

So we brought together four parliamentary candidates to throw

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Watching them is an expert, and two undecided voters,

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Ishmael and Natalie, who say they still don't know

:52:17.:52:18.

If they want my vote, they need to get in the ring,

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talk the talk and let me see, OK, I'm going to vote for you.

:52:24.:52:26.

We're used to politicians running round in circles and telling lies,

:52:27.:52:29.

so we want to actually see politicians stand for something

:52:30.:52:31.

today and say what they want to say in order to win our votes.

:52:32.:52:34.

The majority of the candidates have no experience inside a ring,

:52:35.:52:38.

but the opportunity to show that politicians can pack a punch was one

:52:39.:52:41.

In the red corner, hoping to land a punch for his party, is the former

:52:42.:52:50.

Labour MP and government minister, Jim Fitzpatrick.

:52:51.:52:59.

For Ukip, it's Daniel Woolf, who is on a mission

:53:00.:53:01.

to prove his party is still an electoral real force.

:53:02.:53:04.

In the blue corner is Shaun Bailey, former Downing Street

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And on a campaign to overturn the status quo

:53:07.:53:10.

for the Liberal Democrats, it's Keith Angus.

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With the big majority Theresa May has got in Parliament,

:53:18.:53:20.

and the big majority for triggering Article 50, why did

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Because the British people want a chance to express their views

:53:23.:53:28.

Now they've got another chance now, shall get a big majority to get

:53:29.:53:34.

Now they've got another chance now, she'll get a big majority to get

:53:35.:53:37.

through what she needs to get done...

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We'll have another election next year.

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With the state of the economy, and Corbyn having absolutely no

:53:42.:53:45.

plans how to run our finances, how do you expect to support

:53:46.:53:47.

Theresa May, you know she's calling this election to try and gain more

:53:48.:53:53.

power and to try and bring Brexit through, but she's a Remain MP.

:53:54.:53:56.

She said she was and you can't just change your spots

:53:57.:53:58.

If she wants to give people a say, why isn't

:53:59.:54:03.

she going to give them a say

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Because she gave them a say in the referendum and they know

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So they're going to vote for a hard divisive Brexit?

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Let's remind everyone how we got to the referendum.

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It was our party who pushed for the referendum and we wouldn't

:54:18.:54:20.

be in this situation at all if it wasn't for the courage of our party

:54:21.:54:24.

Most people say the referendum was last year, they want to know why

:54:25.:54:29.

?3 billion has been wiped off the education budget,

:54:30.:54:31.

why has the health service on its knees, why have we lost

:54:32.:54:34.

What are you offering the British people domestically?

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Forget Brexit, that's done and dusted.

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All of Labour's plans for the public services are a fantasy.

:54:39.:54:42.

How are you supporting young people by increasing tuition fees?

:54:43.:54:49.

1.8 million children go to a better school than under

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It was the Labour government who introduced tuition fees.

:54:57.:54:59.

?3 billion have been wiped off the education budget,

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schools across the country are losing money.

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Why are you destroying young people's future by pulling us out

:55:06.:55:08.

With the hardest most divisive form of Brexit?

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There is no such thing as a hard Brexit.

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There is no such thing as a hard Brexit?

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So why was it bandied around by the Prime Minister herself?

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It was never bandied around by the Prime Minister.

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And for Ukip, the most irrelevant political party

:55:24.:55:25.

in the history of everything, to say that is incredible.

:55:26.:55:29.

If we didn't exist, we would not be having that referendum.

:55:30.:55:34.

You might turn around and say Ukip doesn't have a mandate any more

:55:35.:55:37.

but I'll turn around and say this, until the ink is dry on the paper,

:55:38.:55:40.

until we are actually out of the European Union,

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we need to have people holding the government to account.

:55:44.:55:46.

People want to know what is going to happen to their public services.

:55:47.:55:50.

Ukip voters have a choice of supporting more cuts to public

:55:51.:55:56.

services or supporting the protection of public services.

:55:57.:55:58.

What about Corbyn and the droves of Labour supporters

:55:59.:56:06.

who are on the fence and sayin to know what, I might vote Ukip

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because it is a party for working people who can't vote Conservative.

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Do you think young kids care about this stuff?

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Yes, they do because it's the services that young

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people will be working for and that serve them.

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Do you think they care about their future or a home

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Both you guys in this room now, you made a massive U-turn.

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You said you weren't going to raise tuition fees and you did.

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I had to pay ?9,000, right, to go to university.

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The students that I educated have to pay ?30,000.

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They don't have to pay a penny until they earn 21K.

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If you want to get doctors and nurses into the NHS,

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if you want to train home grown talent...

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Maybe welcome them from the European Union instead of telling

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Recruitment is in a crisis in the NHS because EU workers

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We should not be poaching talent from other countries.

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We should be growing our own before taking it from other

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Seven years you've been in power, seven years, and the health service

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is in crisis every single year since you'd been in power.

:57:14.:57:18.

The last Labour government left power, you left a note telling

:57:19.:57:21.

the country that you had spent all the money and

:57:22.:57:23.

You're punching harder, you're punching harder, pack it in,

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Do you realise you're punching harder?

:57:28.:57:36.

Because of your industrial policy, your economic policies fantasy

:57:37.:57:38.

figures that will drive us into the ground and it doesn't

:57:39.:57:41.

matter what you want, you cannot pay for it if you don't

:57:42.:57:44.

So you can't answer the question, Sean, after seven years in power,

:57:45.:57:57.

there are ?3 billion, ?3 billion coming out

:57:58.:57:59.

of education, tuition fees are at 9000 and rising...

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The health services on its knees and the emergency services,

:58:02.:58:04.

ambulance , police and fire brigade have been cut to ribbons.

:58:05.:58:09.

The candidates have had their say, but it's not about them.

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It's about voters like Natalie and Ishmael who have yet

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I do feel like politicians are perceived to be quite rigid

:58:16.:58:19.

and quite formal but I feel this discussion was really open and it

:58:20.:58:22.

did have a lot of opinions there so that was interesting to see

:58:23.:58:25.

them going head-to-head and fighting for our vote.

:58:26.:58:27.

Seeing them in the ring individually, literally fighting it

:58:28.:58:30.

out for the own policies and what they believe

:58:31.:58:32.

in and what they think they can bring to the party,

:58:33.:58:34.

and why I should vote for them, I think it made it more accessible.

:58:35.:58:38.

So why do so many people across the country feel

:58:39.:58:40.

Rachel Farrington runs a website encouraging young people to vote.

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Even if you don't agree with any of the parties,

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you should still go out and spoil your ballot blank vote

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and it shows you are engaged and you're there for your vote to be

:58:52.:58:55.

won but politicians just have to change a little to win it.

:58:56.:59:02.

If you stay at home, you just become another figure.

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If these four can agree on anything, it's this, it is your choice

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But just remember, if you're not registered by May

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timid, some of those punches, but it is hard to talk and Fox, I suppose.

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Noel Phillips reporting and you can share that film

:59:30.:59:31.

from our programme page - bbc.co.uk/victoria

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Coming up, Nicola Adams will be with us just after ten. She will be

:59:34.:59:39.

taking your questions and talking about turning pro, and life outside

:59:40.:59:44.

boxing. See you in a minute. Now the latest weather update with Simon

:59:45.:59:45.

King. I know many of us needed the rain

:59:46.:59:52.

but yesterday was a wash-out for most of us, a really miserable day.

:59:53.:59:56.

Today, thankfully, much improved. This is the recent satellite

:59:57.:59:59.

picture, lots of sunshine through this morning and we will continue to

:00:00.:00:04.

see that most of us into the afternoon. There will just be a

:00:05.:00:07.

fuchsia was starting to develop. They will be heaviest across

:00:08.:00:11.

Scotland and west in Northern Ireland, there could be the odd

:00:12.:00:14.

rumble of thunder here later this afternoon. For most, really, a dry

:00:15.:00:24.

day. Sunshine continuing, temperatures 15 to 20 Celsius,

:00:25.:00:26.

feeling fresher than it has done compare the recent days in the

:00:27.:00:29.

south-east. Overnight tonight, more rain coming in across the south-east

:00:30.:00:33.

of England, East Anglia, some really intense rainfall for a time

:00:34.:00:36.

overnight tonight. Some of that extending its way a bit further

:00:37.:00:42.

westwards. There could be a touch of frost westward. During Friday, the

:00:43.:00:46.

rain will continue to move its way northward, eventually coming out

:00:47.:00:49.

into the East of Scotland. Elsewhere, some sunnier spells and

:00:50.:00:53.

showers. Top temptress tomorrow about 11 to 15.

:00:54.:00:58.

The Conservatives are launching their general election manifesto

:00:59.:01:07.

with a pledge that nobody will have to sell their property

:01:08.:01:10.

in their lifetime to fund their care but the cost will be recouped

:01:11.:01:13.

when they die the party insist the policy is not a death tax.

:01:14.:01:16.

Everyone will have the security of knowing they can pass on ?100,000 to

:01:17.:01:19.

Another group will be made worse off than they are people getting care in

:01:20.:01:32.

the own homes. The first time the value of their house will be taken

:01:33.:01:33.

account. We'll be talking to a health think

:01:34.:01:36.

tank to see what the proposals Double Olympic champion Nicola Adams

:01:37.:01:40.

has turned professional and wants She wants to make women's Inc as big

:01:41.:01:53.

as men's will also be talking about her plans to get married and life in

:01:54.:01:55.

Leeds. It's estimated the Syria war has

:01:56.:02:04.

claimed 450,000 lives. Tomorrow, the world's biggest centre

:02:05.:02:06.

for children who have lost their parents in the conflict

:02:07.:02:08.

will be opening in Turkey. We'll be speaking to

:02:09.:02:11.

the people who set it up. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:02:12.:02:13.

with a summary of today's news. The Conservatives have unveiled

:02:14.:02:24.

plans that would see many more people in England pay for care in

:02:25.:02:27.

their own home. They are promising though one would be forced to sell

:02:28.:02:31.

their home in order to meet the cost of care. For the first time, the

:02:32.:02:37.

value of a person's property, more than ?100,000, would be taken into

:02:38.:02:41.

account in assessing whether they are eligible for free care if they

:02:42.:02:45.

remain living there. The Tory manifesto also proposes to introduce

:02:46.:02:49.

means testing for winter fuel pavements and end a guarantee that

:02:50.:02:54.

the pension will rise by 2.5% every year. Robert Miller has been

:02:55.:02:59.

Former head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, has been appointed

:03:00.:03:07.

to investigate allegations that Russia interfered

:03:08.:03:09.

Calls for an independent investigation have been growing

:03:10.:03:12.

since President Trump fired the FBI director James Comey.

:03:13.:03:14.

As part of the inquiry Congress and the FBI will look into potential

:03:15.:03:17.

links between Mr Trump's campaign team and the Russian regime

:03:18.:03:19.

Many GP surgeries across the UK are on the "brink of collapse"

:03:20.:03:23.

because of underfunding and staff shortages, according

:03:24.:03:25.

doctors and they have increased funding to the NHS,

:03:26.:03:30.

but the head of the British Medical Association's GP committee warns

:03:31.:03:32.

a record number of practices are being forced to close.

:03:33.:03:37.

US musician Chris Cornell has died aged 52.

:03:38.:03:39.

The singer who gained fame as the lead singer of Soundgarden

:03:40.:03:42.

and later Audioslave died on yesterday in Detroit.

:03:43.:03:49.

he had been touring with Soundgarden when he died suddenly yesterday.

:03:50.:04:01.

Two of the UK's most popular products, Pringles and Lucozade,

:04:02.:04:04.

have been named and shamed by the Recycling Association

:04:05.:04:06.

It says the packaging for the products contains too many

:04:07.:04:09.

Pringles says it protects the crisps and saves waste.

:04:10.:04:13.

While Lucozade says the firm does care for the environment.

:04:14.:04:15.

The comments were made as Prince Charles is about to launch

:04:16.:04:18.

a ?1.5 million prize for designs that are both effective

:04:19.:04:20.

That is a summary of the latest BBC News.

:04:21.:04:28.

Dig into touch about anything we have been discussing this morning.

:04:29.:04:37.

-- do get in touch. LIVE and If you text,

:04:38.:04:46.

you will be charged Here's some sport

:04:47.:04:49.

now with Will Perry. The triple world champion Beth

:04:50.:05:03.

twiddle has become the newest member on the board of switch the

:05:04.:05:08.

enterprise. It focuses on athlete transition. It works with Premier

:05:09.:05:15.

League football clubs and rugby clubs. Tell us specifically what

:05:16.:05:23.

switch the play does? We are trying to help athletes have a smooth

:05:24.:05:26.

transition. It can be quite daunting when you come to the end of your

:05:27.:05:31.

career. Sometimes it is planned and sometimes not. You'd think, what

:05:32.:05:35.

will I do with my life question I want to be able to give that person,

:05:36.:05:40.

I have been through it and know how you are feeling, give that personal

:05:41.:05:46.

touch. I am joining a former England international rugby player who has

:05:47.:05:50.

been through it as well. Hopefully we can help athletes who have been

:05:51.:05:54.

through it. After watching you win the medals, it seems you have been

:05:55.:06:00.

through so much. How hard was the transition? I did find it hard. Now

:06:01.:06:05.

I think I found it harder than I realised. There are things going on

:06:06.:06:09.

in the background put up my parents were keen on me keeping my education

:06:10.:06:15.

up. When I finished my final bar routine in London 2012, everyone

:06:16.:06:19.

knew around me, they knew it was my last competition. For me, I was back

:06:20.:06:23.

in the gym training for another year. I did not know what to do. To

:06:24.:06:30.

take that away from me was quite daunting, quite an anxious time.

:06:31.:06:36.

Even though I had other things that up. Also, given how much athlete

:06:37.:06:42.

welfare, mental health issues, duty of care is an issue right now,

:06:43.:06:48.

topically, this is crucial. It is. It is helping athletes think,

:06:49.:06:52.

actually you can start thinking about it while you're still playing

:06:53.:06:56.

and competing for the 10% of your downtime but it could be thinking

:06:57.:07:01.

about what courses you could do. I did a course in sports massage and

:07:02.:07:04.

thought it could be something I could go into. And I did it I

:07:05.:07:08.

realised I did not want to do that every day that at getting work

:07:09.:07:14.

experience and volunteering in different companies thinking, is

:07:15.:07:17.

something I would like to go into once I retire? Looking at an Olympic

:07:18.:07:22.

medal or Premier League medal or premiership rugby medal, that is

:07:23.:07:26.

currency in terms of building peoples brands and lives posed

:07:27.:07:31.

sport. It is. Gymnastics taught me more than winning medals. It taught

:07:32.:07:36.

me a whole range of life skills. I thought I had nothing to put on my

:07:37.:07:42.

CV. My dad told me I had so much to put on my CV for things like the

:07:43.:07:46.

zillions, perseverance, determination. All of that is what

:07:47.:07:52.

an employer would look at. When you look at some athletes now, you have

:07:53.:07:57.

the Aaron Lennon story with mental health issues. You look at the likes

:07:58.:08:02.

of Paul Gascoigne and Ricky Hatton. High-profile athletes struggling

:08:03.:08:06.

with issues. Had they had something like this in place, do you think

:08:07.:08:12.

this would not have happened? For me, there was that support around in

:08:13.:08:16.

British gymnastics. There is support that and it is raising awareness to

:08:17.:08:21.

athletes that support network is there. Find out about it and start

:08:22.:08:25.

talking about it. It is not something you need to think, I

:08:26.:08:29.

cannot think about this until I retire. Some athletes worry if they

:08:30.:08:33.

think about it they will lose focus with what they are doing at that

:08:34.:08:37.

current moment in their sport. It is saying to them, it is never too

:08:38.:08:42.

early to think about it, temp ascent of your downtime, and have a go at

:08:43.:08:49.

it. Martine, and Olympic medallist but the newest member on the board

:08:50.:08:53.

of switch the play. In just over an hour's time

:08:54.:08:57.

the Conservatives will pledge to "confront the challenges

:08:58.:08:59.

of our time" with a manifesto of what they'll do

:09:00.:09:01.

if they re-elected in June. Theresa May says she will take "big

:09:02.:09:04.

and difficult" decisions So let's have a look

:09:05.:09:06.

at some of them. Up to ?300 in winter fuel payments

:09:07.:09:14.

will be lost by wealthy pensioners. More elderly people will have to pay

:09:15.:09:19.

for their care. They will not have to sell their homes before they die

:09:20.:09:24.

and they can pass on at least ?100,000 to their relatives. A new

:09:25.:09:27.

pledge to curb immigration, including a restatement of the

:09:28.:09:31.

commitment to cut net immigration to under 100,000 a year. And increasing

:09:32.:09:36.

school funding by ?4 billion, including a promise to scrap free

:09:37.:09:40.

school lunches for infants to pay for free breakfasts for all primary

:09:41.:09:45.

pupils. Let's get more from Norman Smith. Not long to wait. Almost

:09:46.:09:52.

there. We have an insight into the nuts and bolts of this manifesto. It

:09:53.:09:58.

represents a clear break with the camera in years with Mrs May taking

:09:59.:10:02.

on some of the issues, some of the sections of society who are shielded

:10:03.:10:08.

by Mr Cameron from the full blast of posterity. Pensioners lose. The

:10:09.:10:20.

winter -- austerity. Business takes another hit. They will have to pay

:10:21.:10:26.

more if they want to bring in migrants from outside of the EU.

:10:27.:10:30.

Social care is where the real argy-bargy is this morning that Mrs

:10:31.:10:34.

May's unit tried to personas of their big idea. They have scrapped

:10:35.:10:42.

Mr Cameron's pledge to scrap the cap on the maximum amount of care you

:10:43.:10:47.

have to pay. They have put in a floor, below which you will get some

:10:48.:10:51.

state support for that if you spend all your assets down to ?100,000,

:10:52.:10:56.

you will get state support. Critics are saying, good for lower income

:10:57.:11:01.

families and no help for many middle-class families who have a

:11:02.:11:05.

house. The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, said it was all about

:11:06.:11:10.

intergenerational fairness. Why should younger taxpayers have to

:11:11.:11:14.

bail out old people to pay for their care costs?

:11:15.:11:22.

If we want everyone to have security --

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What we are saying is if we want everyone to have the security

:11:35.:11:37.

of knowing that they can pass on whatever their care costs are,

:11:38.:11:40.

?100 those to their children and grandchildren, that will cost

:11:41.:11:42.

around ?2 billion a year so it's a significant amount.

:11:43.:11:44.

But we are saying that the fair way to pay for that is not through taxes

:11:45.:11:48.

that have to be paid by younger people, often struggling to make

:11:49.:11:51.

ends meet, but by removing some entitlements for older people,

:11:52.:11:54.

better off pensioners who currently get the winter fuel allowance

:11:55.:11:56.

who won't now get it under these proposals but those same pensioners

:11:57.:11:59.

will have that security of knowing that whatever happens to them

:12:00.:12:02.

and their care costs, they'll be able to pass

:12:03.:12:04.

a significant amount of money on to their children

:12:05.:12:06.

Massive pressure on the Health Service A departments,

:12:07.:12:09.

what are you going to do about it and what is this

:12:10.:12:12.

Well, the NHS has done magnificently well in incredibly challenging

:12:13.:12:15.

We recognise that we need more doctors, nurses and funding.

:12:16.:12:19.

We will be increasing funding to the NHS beyond what we've

:12:20.:12:23.

But other parties are promising to do that as well.

:12:24.:12:29.

The choice is, which party is most likely to be able to deliver on that

:12:30.:12:33.

promise to increase funding to the NHS.

:12:34.:12:42.

we will find out surely whether the Tories will match the commitments

:12:43.:12:48.

made by Labour and the NHS to plough an extra 7 billion into the health

:12:49.:12:52.

service. The main rumpus this morning is over social care. Into

:12:53.:12:58.

the phrase steps Andrew Dill Mott. He was charged by the Government to

:12:59.:13:02.

come up with a master plan for social care. He suggested we needed

:13:03.:13:09.

a cap. David Cameron picked up his idea which has been chucked away by

:13:10.:13:14.

Theresa May. This morning he was not impressed by her plans for social

:13:15.:13:16.

care. If you're somebody at the moment

:13:17.:13:18.

who is in a residential care home, so have moved out of the your own

:13:19.:13:21.

home and have been moved to a residential facility,

:13:22.:13:25.

you'll be able to keep more That was a crucial part

:13:26.:13:27.

of the recommendations Actually it proposed increasing

:13:28.:13:31.

the threshold to ?125,000. There's another group

:13:32.:13:34.

who'll be made worse off, those are people who at the moment

:13:35.:13:35.

are getting care in their own homes because for the first time the value

:13:36.:13:39.

of their own house will be taken into account so they'll have

:13:40.:13:42.

to start paying in a way The big problem is that

:13:43.:13:45.

although what the Government is saying it would do is to say

:13:46.:13:49.

everybody would be able to get support once they were down

:13:50.:13:53.

to their lost ?100,000, many people have much more

:13:54.:13:55.

than that and face no way of controlling their care costs

:13:56.:13:57.

which could run into So the lack of any form

:13:58.:14:00.

of pooling of risk of social It means still people will not be

:14:01.:14:05.

able to take control of this vital The winter fuel allowance at

:14:06.:14:11.

the moment costs about ?1.2 billion. So some fraction of that could be

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saved if it was to taken away My sense of this is that pensioners

:14:18.:14:21.

are not opposed to some reductions in the value of something like that,

:14:22.:14:26.

not opposed to the idea of paying more for some forms of social care

:14:27.:14:29.

if what they were being offered in return was a deal that meant

:14:30.:14:33.

that they could take I don't think pensioners wanted more

:14:34.:14:37.

money, they wanted this terrible That's not being solved and I think

:14:38.:14:41.

some pensioners will be pretty cross that they're losing losing something

:14:42.:14:45.

without feeling they're We have about another hour to go

:14:46.:15:01.

before the blast off of the manifest. I have the Labour version

:15:02.:15:07.

of the Tory manifesto. One manifesto, two years of failure and

:15:08.:15:11.

50 broken promises. That is the way it works nowadays. They are quick

:15:12.:15:14.

off the block. Thank you. At 10.30, pensioners and charities

:15:15.:15:18.

give us their reaction to the Conservative Party's plans

:15:19.:15:20.

for social care. Double Olympic champion, world

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champion, Commonwealth Champion, European champion,

:15:23.:15:27.

Nicola Adams has already But not content with that,

:15:28.:15:28.

she turned professional and is focused on winning

:15:29.:15:36.

a world title next. Nicola Adams has written a book

:15:37.:15:40.

about the story of her life so far and she's here to talk

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about it today. Good morning, Nicola, see you in a

:15:44.:15:46.

second. If you've got a question

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for Nicola, get in touch now. Lets have a look at some

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of her greatest moments # 'Cause I am a champion and you're

:15:54.:16:04.

gonna hear me roar... and to think that I've finally done

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it and I'm finally here with all this support,

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you know, it's really, And the incredibly tight gold

:16:40.:16:41.

medal bout, Nicola Adams, the first woman to win two Olympic

:16:42.:16:53.

titles in the boxing ring. When I first went in

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to win a gold in 2012, I was just thinking,

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yeah, I just want to win a gold medal and then the whole

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being a role model came with it. If you win a gold medal

:17:27.:17:30.

in the boxing, are you guaranteed I guess it just depends

:17:31.:17:40.

whether you want to stay amateur There's a lot of goals

:17:41.:17:56.

in the professional ranks to achieve, becoming a world

:17:57.:18:09.

champion and European champion, raising the game again and just

:18:10.:18:11.

making or hopefully trying to make women's boxing on a par

:18:12.:18:14.

with the men's. Nicola Adams is here. While we watch

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and that you said oh, I have done quite a lot, does it surprise you

:18:40.:18:46.

when you look back on it? Yes, a big surprise to revisit, I have been

:18:47.:18:50.

busy. Your book is called Believe, and it is launched today. It must at

:18:51.:18:55.

some point refer hard you got into boxing and that all-important trip

:18:56.:18:58.

to the leisure centre when you're mum went to the class and you got

:18:59.:19:02.

attracted by something else that was going on. Yes, it does, and I hope

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it will inspire the next generation to show that, with hard work and

:19:07.:19:09.

perseverance and dedication, you really can achieve anything. You

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were only about 13, I think it was, and you realised this was what you

:19:15.:19:17.

really wanted to devote yourself to. Was that some kind of daydream? What

:19:18.:19:23.

kind of plan did you have? I just wanted to win an Olympic title.

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Foremost, that would have seemed rarely strange, especially because

:19:29.:19:31.

women's boxing was not even an Olympic sport, so I had a lot to

:19:32.:19:36.

contest but I was determined. I was like no, this is going to happen,

:19:37.:19:40.

this is my dream commute just watch full stop you were born at the right

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time then, won't you? Because in previous generations as you say,

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women could not have taken part. I was reading that women's boxing was

:19:48.:19:53.

banned because premenstrual tension made is unstable. I know, and that

:19:54.:19:58.

was only in 1996, not that long ago. You also managed to win round Frank

:19:59.:20:03.

Warren, your promoter, because he was a bit iffy about women's boxing.

:20:04.:20:08.

What didn't he like it, and what changed? He didn't think the levels

:20:09.:20:12.

were good enough, that it was popular enough, and he said whenever

:20:13.:20:16.

he got into a taxi after 2012 and 2016, he said I was the first boxer

:20:17.:20:21.

that they spoke to him about. He was looking at my fights and he was

:20:22.:20:26.

really impressed with my technical level of boxing. We had a meeting

:20:27.:20:29.

and he said he would love to sign me. And here we are. The unlikely

:20:30.:20:33.

pair. CHUCKLING How difficult was it, though, for

:20:34.:20:38.

you as a girl in your teens to find people to fight? Because you were

:20:39.:20:41.

probably, I would imagine, in a great minority in most of the boxing

:20:42.:20:45.

clubs in this country at that stage. I was, I had one, Tish and when I

:20:46.:20:49.

was 13, and then I didn't get another one until I was 17, when I

:20:50.:20:57.

was 17. When I was senior. It was years of being patient, waiting to

:20:58.:21:01.

compete. There is a lot of patients linked to being a boxer. Now you are

:21:02.:21:05.

professional, how easy will it be to find an opponent worth fighting,

:21:06.:21:08.

that will actually come and the kind of person you would be prepared to

:21:09.:21:14.

fight for? It is a lot easier now. I am really enjoying the professional

:21:15.:21:19.

ranks. We do three minute rounds. We do ten rounds as welcome which is

:21:20.:21:23.

different from the amateurs who only do a maximum of four. And you have

:21:24.:21:29.

to pick your own team as well. On Team GB, you have a team

:21:30.:21:33.

straightaway, coaches, nutritionist, strength and condition coaches. Now

:21:34.:21:38.

I have picked my own team, which I have quite enjoyed. I have found a

:21:39.:21:43.

team of people that work well together. I am really enjoying

:21:44.:21:48.

things, onward and upward, and get that world title. It is probably the

:21:49.:21:52.

title rather than money want to do it for. But with that said tennis,

:21:53.:21:56.

for a long time of the women did not the same as the men. So what kind of

:21:57.:22:04.

money will be invested in women's boxing? Will you be fighting for the

:22:05.:22:07.

same kind of prize money? Yes, I hope so, in the future, when I'm

:22:08.:22:13.

headlining shows, and hopefully get my shot in Vegas. Who knows, the

:22:14.:22:20.

sky's the limit. Of course, and based on your track record you will

:22:21.:22:23.

absolutely get there. But how different is it, going into the ring

:22:24.:22:28.

as a professional, compared with being an amateur? Because of course

:22:29.:22:31.

you do not have the head guard on and you are fighting for money and a

:22:32.:22:34.

professional title, so it must change the way people approach it?

:22:35.:22:38.

Yes, it is very different but I like the fact that every time I step out

:22:39.:22:44.

into the crowd, it is a big crowd, a big arena, and I also liked the fact

:22:45.:22:50.

that I am not just fighting for me, I am fighting to change as well, I

:22:51.:22:55.

am fighting to lift the sport, the professional side of the women's

:22:56.:22:59.

boxing, so that when the next generation go to think about turning

:23:00.:23:03.

pro or turn pro, they know that the path is already laid out for them,

:23:04.:23:07.

and they don't have to think about the pressures of making sure that

:23:08.:23:12.

they literally good when they are performing. Because if I don't do

:23:13.:23:19.

good now, there will be no women's professional boxing in Britain. How

:23:20.:23:25.

great are those barriers? This idea that boxing is not very ladylike,

:23:26.:23:32.

not what we should be doing? It is not as bad as it was before but

:23:33.:23:37.

there is still a way to go. I want to help to improve that in the

:23:38.:23:41.

professional side. Inevitably come you have had to be a trailblazer but

:23:42.:23:45.

also because you have always been honest and open about your

:23:46.:23:50.

sexuality, and you have got engaged to your partner, congratulations.

:23:51.:23:55.

Thank you. You inevitably, I suppose, have had to be a

:23:56.:23:59.

trailblazer for that, that openness about sexuality in sport, which the

:24:00.:24:03.

lot of men and women have probably found quite difficult in the past.

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Yes, it is quite difficult for some people. It is not something I say

:24:08.:24:15.

everybody should come out, but I do say that people should find a way to

:24:16.:24:20.

try and be themselves and I'm hoping I'm inspiring them to be. I am so

:24:21.:24:25.

sorry, I lent into the shot, and spoiled everything, Barry, it is my

:24:26.:24:28.

first morning, as if you didn't know! You have probably just found

:24:29.:24:33.

that out, sorry to unnerve you. Taylor says please ask Nicola watch

:24:34.:24:37.

things of LGBT rights in the UK at the moment, not just in sport, but

:24:38.:24:42.

more widely I guess. How well do you think we are doing this country? I

:24:43.:24:48.

think we are doing really well. In sport as well, I think it is better

:24:49.:24:54.

and getting better all the time. I have to ask you about your fiance,

:24:55.:25:01.

she is a boxer as well, how competitive are you with each other?

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We don't fight each other or anything but we are quite

:25:06.:25:14.

competitive. We have a rivalry on, to see who will have the first world

:25:15.:25:18.

title on the mantelpiece. Would it ever come to you having to fight

:25:19.:25:24.

each other for it? No, we are in different weight divisions. How

:25:25.:25:28.

helpful is it having a fiance in the same business as you? Really

:25:29.:25:40.

helpful. We know the pressures, when we are dieting, we don't rarely want

:25:41.:25:43.

to talk. We have that understanding. We know what the other person is

:25:44.:25:49.

going through, so it is nice. Vincent asks if you and your partner

:25:50.:25:54.

have had your first row yet? Yes, we have had a few of them. All settled

:25:55.:26:03.

and -- all settled amicably with no fights. Yes. You were diagnosed with

:26:04.:26:09.

ADHD when you were in your teens, and you will always have to take

:26:10.:26:12.

medication for it. How do you manage it and how do you advise other

:26:13.:26:16.

people the same condition who find it get in the way of what they want

:26:17.:26:22.

to do? Yes, forgetfulness, lack of attention, focus, it is really tough

:26:23.:26:26.

to deal with. But with the tablets, it is a lot easier, and I can find

:26:27.:26:33.

that I can focus, and read come and get a lot of things done. Another

:26:34.:26:40.

couple of tweets, Ollie says congratulations on your engagement.

:26:41.:26:45.

Thanks. Do you ever get anxious or panicky before a fight, what helps

:26:46.:26:49.

to settle you? I get nervous before a fight. I think I would be more

:26:50.:26:54.

worried if I was not nervous before a fight because I would feel like I

:26:55.:26:57.

was not taking my opponent that seriously. I normally listen to

:26:58.:27:03.

music and have a laugh and a joke with the coaches before I go into

:27:04.:27:08.

the ring. Important that the right people around you. Definitely.

:27:09.:27:13.

Angela says we love Nicola, your smile melts our hearts, carry on,

:27:14.:27:16.

you are a hero. It must hear that all the time. Thank you. How do you

:27:17.:27:22.

keep yourself motivated then, the training is extraordinary and have

:27:23.:27:27.

to keep your weight under control up to the fight. Yeah, I keep my vote

:27:28.:27:33.

-- my motivation going by having goals to achieve. Pretty much every

:27:34.:27:38.

time I step into the ring I am creating some kind of history so it

:27:39.:27:42.

is nice to have that kind of goal. It helps me keep me very motivated.

:27:43.:27:48.

It is a lot easier to train when you know you are creating history and

:27:49.:27:51.

long after you have gone that history will still be there. So many

:27:52.:27:55.

people know who you are because you have been the first. How do you

:27:56.:28:02.

inspire young before them, it may not be boxing, it may be other

:28:03.:28:05.

things. Everyone comes across obstacles along the way, what advice

:28:06.:28:11.

do give them? I tell them to persevere, to stay dedicated and you

:28:12.:28:15.

have to believe in yourself. That is why I did the book, I wanted them to

:28:16.:28:21.

see that it doesn't matter where you come from, as long as you work hard,

:28:22.:28:25.

you can find something that you are really interested in and passionate

:28:26.:28:28.

about, you really can achieve anything. What do you do when you

:28:29.:28:32.

are not boxing? It is so all-consuming. Yeah. You can't just

:28:33.:28:38.

sit back, eat chocolate and drink the wine. I watch TV box sets, go to

:28:39.:28:44.

the movies. Normal stuff. Yes, normal stuff. Go-karting. What will

:28:45.:28:52.

come after boxing? I am not suggesting you will retire any time

:28:53.:28:56.

soon, what you see fit yourself beyond the ring? I know you have

:28:57.:29:00.

done some acting. I would love to do some more acting, and some

:29:01.:29:05.

commentating, as well. Where does this self belief, and you have

:29:06.:29:09.

called the book Believed, it is clearly an important thing. Where

:29:10.:29:14.

did it come from, a lot of people particularly in our teams, we are

:29:15.:29:17.

riddled with self doubt a lot of the time, you don't seem to have

:29:18.:29:21.

struggled with that. It is all about believing in yourself, being

:29:22.:29:25.

confident in yourself. When you can finally do that, the confidence will

:29:26.:29:28.

stay with you and you will be able to be confident around other people

:29:29.:29:34.

as well. You spend your time between here and the United States, because

:29:35.:29:38.

Marlon is based in San Francisco. And I coaches are there as well. Are

:29:39.:29:44.

they? How do different is it there, the boxing scene, compared to over

:29:45.:29:51.

here? Not that much different. The training I do over there is

:29:52.:29:53.

different to my amateur training I used to do before. But, yeah, I'm

:29:54.:29:58.

enjoying it, I'm loving the weather as well for stock I bet you are too.

:29:59.:30:07.

The book is launched today. Is it available on Kindle as well, nobody

:30:08.:30:13.

just buys books these days. Yes, Amazon, Waterstones, Audible, the

:30:14.:30:18.

audio book as well for stock you were going to be busy, great to meet

:30:19.:30:22.

you, the best of luck not just with the book but with your next fight.

:30:23.:30:23.

Nicola Adams, thank you. Still to come: we will speak to a

:30:24.:30:36.

health think tank to find out what the Tory pledges on social health

:30:37.:30:43.

care thinks. And we'll be talking to the person

:30:44.:30:46.

who has set up the world's largest centre for children

:30:47.:30:49.

who have lost their parents With the news, here's Anita

:30:50.:30:51.

in the BBC Newsroom. Senior politicians have arrived in

:30:52.:31:08.

West Yorkshire ahead of the manifesto launch due to take place

:31:09.:31:11.

in the next hour. The parties promising no one will be full is to

:31:12.:31:15.

sell their home in order to meet the cost of care. For the first time,

:31:16.:31:21.

the value of a person's to, over ?100,000, will be taken into account

:31:22.:31:25.

in assessing whether they will be eligible for free care if they

:31:26.:31:29.

remain living there. The Tory manifesto proposes introducing means

:31:30.:31:34.

testing for winter fuel payments and to end a guarantee that the pension

:31:35.:31:36.

will rise by 2.5% a year. Rolf Harris is to be released

:31:37.:31:39.

from Stafford Prison. The judge has told his

:31:40.:31:44.

indecent assault trial at Southwark Crown Court

:31:45.:31:46.

that the veteran entertainer He is standing trial accused of

:31:47.:31:54.

assaulting three teenage girls in the 70s and 80s.

:31:55.:31:57.

A former head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, has been appointed

:31:58.:32:00.

to investigate allegations that Russia interfered

:32:01.:32:01.

Calls for an independent investigation have been growing

:32:02.:32:04.

since President Trump fired the FBI director James Comey.

:32:05.:32:11.

As part of the inquiry, Congress and the FBI will look

:32:12.:32:14.

into potential links between Mr Trump's campaign team

:32:15.:32:16.

Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will be absent as Britain's

:32:17.:32:22.

political leaders take part in a prime time TV debate.

:32:23.:32:24.

The ITV event will see Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron,

:32:25.:32:26.

Ukip's Paul Nuttall and the SNP's Nicola Sturgeon lock horns.

:32:27.:32:29.

Plaid Cymru's Leanne Wood and Green co-leader Caroline Lucas will also

:32:30.:32:31.

take part in the two-hour show being broadcast from Salford at 8pm.

:32:32.:32:36.

The Prime Minister has refused to take part in TV debates

:32:37.:32:39.

and the Labour leader said he would not participate

:32:40.:32:41.

US musician Chris Cornell has died aged 52.

:32:42.:32:48.

The singer, who gained fame with Soundgarden

:32:49.:32:50.

He also performed the theme to the James Bond movie,

:32:51.:32:55.

Cornell had been touring with Soundgarden in Detroit

:32:56.:33:01.

That is a summary of the latest news.

:33:02.:33:14.

Here's some sport now with Will Perry,

:33:15.:33:17.

Huddersfield Town are one game away from promotion

:33:18.:33:22.

to the Premier League for the first time.

:33:23.:33:27.

After a 1-1 draw in their Championship playoff

:33:28.:33:29.

with Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield won on penalties last

:33:30.:33:30.

night to book a Wembley showdown with Reading a week on Monday,

:33:31.:33:33.

a game that's being labelled the 200 million pound match

:33:34.:33:36.

In the Premier League last night, Southampton were left

:33:37.:33:38.

to rue a missed chance - as they had a penalty saved

:33:39.:33:41.

in what was a dull goalless draw with Manchester United.

:33:42.:33:43.

Even if United win their remaining game, this will be their lowest

:33:44.:33:46.

tally of wins in a single Premier League season

:33:47.:33:48.

Chelsea's 100 percent record in the Women's Super League Spring

:33:49.:33:51.

England midfielder Jordan Nobbs scored in stoppage time

:33:52.:33:57.

The point still lifts Chelsea to second -

:33:58.:34:04.

6 off leaders Liverpool with a couple of games in hand

:34:05.:34:05.

And Britain's Kyle Edmund has followed Andy Murray in making

:34:06.:34:07.

He was knocked out at the second round stage

:34:08.:34:08.

by Juan Martin Del Potro in straight sets.

:34:09.:34:11.

Johanna Konta is the only Britain left in either draw,

:34:12.:34:19.

More sport on the BBC News Channel later this afternoon.

:34:20.:34:24.

Even before the Conservatives' manifesto is published

:34:25.:34:26.

in the next hour, they've been forced to deny that

:34:27.:34:28.

plans to reform social care amount to a "death tax".

:34:29.:34:31.

They're promising that no-one would be forced to sell their home

:34:32.:34:33.

But for the first time the value of a person's property,

:34:34.:34:38.

over ?100,000, would be taken into account

:34:39.:34:40.

in assessing whether they're eligible for free care

:34:41.:34:41.

There's also a pledge to means-test winter fuel payments,

:34:42.:34:46.

meaning more wealthy pensioners will lose up to ?300 per year.

:34:47.:34:58.

Iain Duncan Smith is at Westminster. He joins us now. Thank you for

:34:59.:35:05.

joining us. Why is your party not being more radical and suggesting a

:35:06.:35:10.

cap on the cost of social care? That has been suggested and has had quite

:35:11.:35:17.

widespread support. I do not know what will be in the manifesto

:35:18.:35:20.

because we only have elements of it so far. We have seen the Government

:35:21.:35:25.

attempting to grapple with the big issue which goes on in every single

:35:26.:35:29.

community, the cost of social care and how you afford it. What they

:35:30.:35:33.

have actually looked at across a wide perspective is to say, look,

:35:34.:35:40.

for those on higher incomes, winter fuel for example, there is no reason

:35:41.:35:44.

why they should be receiving a universal benefit like this. That

:35:45.:35:49.

money can be used to help to fund social care. We have changed the

:35:50.:35:53.

nature of the link on pensions which, over the years, was the right

:35:54.:35:57.

thing to do. It lifted the pensioners up and has improved their

:35:58.:36:02.

annual income by over ?1000. Now it is right to have it linked to

:36:03.:36:07.

earnings or inflation, so it always stays at the right level but does

:36:08.:36:11.

not increased at a clear head of those. Those areas will allow the

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Government the flexibility to be able to say we can spend more and

:36:16.:36:19.

focus on target more money on social care, ensuring people who need that

:36:20.:36:23.

care, particularly those in low income brackets will be able to get

:36:24.:36:27.

the social care they need when they need it. That is the big challenge

:36:28.:36:37.

facing all of us. Eight UK says means testing could be quite

:36:38.:36:39.

disastrous in terms of the number of people who die as a result of the

:36:40.:36:42.

cold weather we have in the winter. Those most vulnerable and in need of

:36:43.:36:47.

the payment are least likely to actually collect it. How do you

:36:48.:36:51.

avoid that? You ensure what you do is you target better. When I was

:36:52.:36:56.

sitting at the Department it was a constant area of frustration for us

:36:57.:37:00.

that we shovelled out the door a lot of money, a huge amount of it, to

:37:01.:37:06.

people who used to complain they did not need it. Most of that money was

:37:07.:37:12.

not spent on an increase in terms of their fuel. For many of those people

:37:13.:37:15.

who had sufficient monies, used to spend it on other things. They

:37:16.:37:20.

admitted as much. There was no mechanism to hand it back. It was

:37:21.:37:25.

impossible for that to happen. Many papers argued that it was time to

:37:26.:37:30.

actually target the money better. The whole point about means testing

:37:31.:37:35.

is you make sure that those who need it, those who are eligible for it,

:37:36.:37:41.

actually receive it. There is plenty of ability for us to be able to

:37:42.:37:44.

target that group properly. We looked at that when I was there. It

:37:45.:37:49.

was quite clear it was feasible to do this properly. The problem you

:37:50.:37:54.

have, in the past, the ability to do that was not so great. Universal

:37:55.:37:58.

payments, whatever they are, cost you a lot of money because you spend

:37:59.:38:02.

a lot of money giving to people who do not need the money. Those who do

:38:03.:38:06.

need it could get more money. That is the key elements as you get more

:38:07.:38:10.

support to those who live on marginal incomes and those who do

:38:11.:38:14.

not need that money, therefore, do not need to receive it. Some would

:38:15.:38:22.

argue that means testing is an expensive way of doing it as well.

:38:23.:38:25.

The Conservatives have been very keen to criticise Labour in saying

:38:26.:38:28.

the sums do not add up. Can you give us some idea of who exactly will

:38:29.:38:33.

lose and what the savings will be? Of course I can't. I am not in the

:38:34.:38:40.

Government. I am not therefore privileged to the manifesto and all

:38:41.:38:44.

the details. This process we are engaged in today, announcements have

:38:45.:38:48.

been made, they will be seen in a wider balance of what is available

:38:49.:38:52.

in the overall manifesto and taxation. Then we will be able to

:38:53.:38:57.

say where we are. My general sense about all of this is that the

:38:58.:39:00.

Government is looking to reallocate the money. At the moment it could be

:39:01.:39:07.

with winter fuel which is spent on people who do not need it.

:39:08.:39:11.

Reallocate in that kind of spending to those who do, hence the issues

:39:12.:39:17.

around capping the level on ?100,000 and ownership of a house. About

:39:18.:39:21.

those who need the care getting that money. Cannot give you the exact

:39:22.:39:25.

figures. I am not privileged to the details. Your party is saying there

:39:26.:39:32.

is going to be a generous increase in how much money people will be

:39:33.:39:37.

able to retain and receive social care. This idea that people will be

:39:38.:39:42.

left with ?100,000 to pass onto their families, how is that an

:39:43.:39:48.

incentive for anybody save, to recruit wealth, if it will all be

:39:49.:39:52.

soaked up by social care, which could've been avoided if you put a

:39:53.:39:57.

cap on the costs? The whole idea is the vast majority do not and will

:39:58.:40:01.

not need that level of social care. The reality is, for those that do,

:40:02.:40:05.

one of the great warriors they always had is, first of all, they

:40:06.:40:09.

will have to divest themselves of all of this money while they are

:40:10.:40:13.

alive which makes it complicated and difficult for them. The second area

:40:14.:40:17.

is they have no way of protecting the amount of money they might wish

:40:18.:40:22.

to pass on legitimate to their families, or at least have available

:40:23.:40:26.

to their families, after they die. That is the area that the Government

:40:27.:40:31.

is looking at protecting and giving them that assurance. By extending

:40:32.:40:36.

this whole policy to care at home, which is all part of that, you want

:40:37.:40:43.

to keep people at home as much as you possibly can, that enables the

:40:44.:40:46.

market to look at a wider range of products to help people invest over

:40:47.:40:49.

the years toward supporting their own care in later life so they would

:40:50.:40:53.

not have to fall back on the cost of their housing. That is the key area

:40:54.:40:58.

we needed to do, getting people are more flexible savings regime and

:40:59.:41:05.

allowing for care in a home and care in the community. The idea of

:41:06.:41:09.

staying in your home to be cared for my appeal to a lot of people. How do

:41:10.:41:14.

we make sure there are enough carers with the right quality and paid

:41:15.:41:22.

enough to go around? This is where the minimum wage rise to the living

:41:23.:41:29.

wage comes into effect. We heard the present government wants to take it

:41:30.:41:34.

even higher. The minimum wage will help enormously with people at the

:41:35.:41:38.

bottom end of the pay scale and that is very much the case for people who

:41:39.:41:43.

do caring responsibilities. This will make companies think very

:41:44.:41:46.

carefully about how they use staff. That would be the greatest

:41:47.:41:52.

protection. That commitment, it was a Conservative government that is

:41:53.:41:54.

committed to that and has seen through with the rise, that will

:41:55.:41:58.

mean more for people on low pay than anything else. The other area is,

:41:59.:42:02.

the Government has already taken millions out of taxation by raising

:42:03.:42:06.

the threshold where you start to pay tax and eventually it will arrive at

:42:07.:42:12.

?12,500. That is a halving of the numbers. That means a doubling of

:42:13.:42:18.

the amount you can earn before you will actually have to pay tax. That

:42:19.:42:22.

takes a lot of people in the low pay area out of tags in the early part

:42:23.:42:26.

of their income. Thank you very much for joining us.

:42:27.:42:31.

So, is this good news or bad news for families with elderly relatives?

:42:32.:42:34.

We are joined by Hugh Alderwick, who is a senior policy adviser

:42:35.:42:37.

for the health think tank, the Kings Fund.

:42:38.:42:39.

Jane Vass is head of policy and research for Age UK -

:42:40.:42:44.

Alison Holt is our social affairs correspondent.

:42:45.:42:51.

She is trying to work out what it means for her. Alison, a lot of

:42:52.:43:02.

reaction at first seemed to suggest it could have been a lot more

:43:03.:43:05.

radical and they have missed a trick. That is the feedback I have

:43:06.:43:11.

been getting. I think people are ready for a complete overhaul of the

:43:12.:43:16.

system. It is a general feeling it is badly broken and has been under

:43:17.:43:21.

serious pressure, under huge demand and overstretched. In time. I think

:43:22.:43:27.

there was an appetite for something fairly radical but also something

:43:28.:43:31.

happening fairly quickly. Their care cap idea introduced by the do not

:43:32.:43:34.

commission some years ago was already in there just are aged --

:43:35.:43:41.

legislation. The cap limiting the highest care costs and a raising of

:43:42.:43:45.

the threshold. The cap has been scrapped. We have got this raising

:43:46.:43:50.

of the threshold. The key thing here is that the raising of the threshold

:43:51.:43:56.

to allow people to keep ?100,000 in saving for assets is generous

:43:57.:43:59.

compared to what it is at the moment, which is ?23,250. But, they

:44:00.:44:07.

are... It will particularly help people who might be in residential

:44:08.:44:11.

care. In terms of home care, at the moment, the value of someone's 's is

:44:12.:44:18.

not included in how you would calculate the assets. Under these

:44:19.:44:21.

plans it would in the future. Thank you very much. Let's speak to

:44:22.:44:28.

Sharon. Hopefully you are hearing to what Iain Duncan Smith was saying

:44:29.:44:31.

was that we are hoping to get all of the details in the manifesto. What

:44:32.:44:36.

do you think of the social care idea and how you would be affected? I am

:44:37.:44:42.

very worried. Contrary to what a lot of people, especially a lot of young

:44:43.:44:47.

people, it seemed to think, that all pensioners are really well. Myself

:44:48.:44:50.

and my husband, I cannot work because I am not well enough. I am

:44:51.:44:55.

61. My husband is talking about working till he is 68 because we

:44:56.:45:00.

still have a mortgage to pay off. If we find we have paid our house off

:45:01.:45:04.

and should we need care, we would have to sell our property, which is

:45:05.:45:08.

worth less than the average cost of a house these days. It would be

:45:09.:45:13.

ludicrous. Would we be expected to sell our house to live in rented

:45:14.:45:17.

accommodation so we could afford care question that would be totally

:45:18.:45:20.

self-defeating for the Government because it would cost them more

:45:21.:45:26.

money than paying as benefits, presumably, to be able to afford to

:45:27.:45:30.

rent somewhere. I'm worried about how I will pay rates, let alone if

:45:31.:45:36.

we had to have care. The future is just so black for people in our

:45:37.:45:44.

situation. There are many pensioners who are not well off at all.

:45:45.:46:18.

I am thinking of voting Lib Dem, though I realise they probably won't

:46:19.:46:23.

get in, but I can't bring yourself to vote for the Conservatives now

:46:24.:46:26.

because I don't think they will be any help to people like my husband

:46:27.:46:32.

and myself. When they talk about not paying benefits to certain people, I

:46:33.:46:36.

think there should be a much higher figure. People who have houses,

:46:37.:46:42.

earning enough money that they can sell and downsize. Sharon, thank you

:46:43.:46:50.

very much for your thoughts. Jane Wass from Age UK, what are your

:46:51.:46:53.

thoughts? We haven't got all the details yet, but you will, no doubt,

:46:54.:46:59.

have a reaction already? Of course we haven't seen the detail, so there

:47:00.:47:04.

is a health warning there, but sadly we don't think it will help. Our

:47:05.:47:17.

particular concern is around introducing the house into the means

:47:18.:47:21.

test for a carer at home. What about the winter fuel test -- the winter

:47:22.:47:26.

fuel payment being means tested as well. That is a real concern as

:47:27.:47:33.

well. That is not just about wealthy pensioners, as you said there are a

:47:34.:47:36.

lot of people who are entitled to claim benefits like pension credit,

:47:37.:47:40.

around one in three not claiming it now. Partly because of the

:47:41.:47:43.

difficulty of doing so, partly because of the stigma. The DWP has

:47:44.:47:48.

been tried to get them to claim more over many years and we haven't

:47:49.:47:50.

really been able to increase that number. But it is not just people

:47:51.:47:56.

who are entitled to claim who don't. That is also people who are just

:47:57.:47:59.

above the limit for claiming it. They will be very badly hit by

:48:00.:48:06.

losing the winter fuel payment. Inevitably there is with someone

:48:07.:48:09.

close to that threshold. What would you have hoped to have heard about

:48:10.:48:17.

social care? From our point of view it is deeply disappointing. There

:48:18.:48:21.

are a few points to make. As has been talked about, the move from a

:48:22.:48:26.

ceiling, a cap on care costs, to a floor, means that actually it will

:48:27.:48:30.

be very difficult for some people together care they need, and they

:48:31.:48:34.

won't have the certainty of having someone cover the catastrophic care

:48:35.:48:39.

costs. The second point is about care in the home, the changes we

:48:40.:48:44.

have talked about will mean many more people are going to have to pay

:48:45.:48:49.

for that care. But this is a major missed opportunity for fundamental

:48:50.:48:54.

reform of the social care system, which is currently failing to many

:48:55.:48:58.

people, particularly the poorest in society, who often rely on a

:48:59.:49:01.

threadbare social care system. So we haven't seen that more fundamental

:49:02.:49:06.

reform we were hoping for. What is wrong, though, with asking people

:49:07.:49:11.

who have wealth, in whatever form, be it savings or assets, to pay for

:49:12.:49:17.

their own care? To try, as a lot of people have said, is to bring about

:49:18.:49:20.

a rebalancing between the generations when a lot of people

:49:21.:49:25.

feel it is the older generation who have had it pretty good. If you

:49:26.:49:35.

don't get below the floor of ?100,000 which includes the value of

:49:36.:49:40.

your home, you don't have any certainty or security for spiralling

:49:41.:49:43.

care costs for things like dementia. So actually it is not so much about

:49:44.:49:52.

how big should the floor be, it is a separate set of issues. We have seen

:49:53.:50:02.

fewer people access publicly funded social care. The question is where

:50:03.:50:09.

is the plan for sustainable this system? How sustainable would be the

:50:10.:50:15.

idea of insurance which could be quite costly for people. At the

:50:16.:50:29.

moment it is very much down to luck as to whether or not you get

:50:30.:50:33.

dementia and you may have to pay out the carer for ten years. Most

:50:34.:50:47.

pensioners are not on very good incomes. They

:50:48.:50:51.

are on a modest pension. Even though they have housing wealth they may

:50:52.:50:54.

find themselves pushed into using that and potentially restricting

:50:55.:50:55.

their own futures. One of the questions is if the block having to

:50:56.:50:58.

use their housing wealth, will they be able to move into housing that is

:50:59.:51:04.

more suitable for their wealth? Some big questions. Thank you for joining

:51:05.:51:08.

us. We have not seen the detail yet, that might change a little bit.

:51:09.:51:13.

Sharon in Dorset, to the King 's fund, Jane Wass from Age UK.

:51:14.:51:18.

Allison, thank you very much. The BBC news channel will provide full

:51:19.:51:22.

coverage of the Conservative's manifesto launch winner gets

:51:23.:51:27.

underway sometime after 11:15am. We are going to be in Dunstable in Beds

:51:28.:51:34.

on Monday 29th of May. That is for a big election audience debate. If you

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have made up your mind already who you will vote for, still deciding

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don't think you will even bother and would like the chance to share your

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views and grill senior politicians on their policies, get in touch with

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us and apply for a place. There will be more details on our Facebook page

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and our Twitter page. The Syrian war has been raging for 6

:51:55.:51:59.

years, and the current death toll shows nearly half a million people

:52:00.:52:02.

have lost their lives. The devastation shows

:52:03.:52:04.

no sign of letting up, leaving a whole generation

:52:05.:52:06.

of children that have only More than 15,000 unaccompanied

:52:07.:52:08.

and separated children have crossed Syria's borders,

:52:09.:52:17.

into countries like Turkey. Authorities say orphans

:52:18.:52:19.

there are at risk of substance abuse and prostitution at the hands

:52:20.:52:22.

of human traffickers. Now a village that will house more

:52:23.:52:24.

than a thousand orphans has been built in the south of Turkey,

:52:25.:52:27.

and the first set of children are moving into their homes

:52:28.:52:30.

which opens today. He's Deputy President of IHH -

:52:31.:52:32.

the Turkish NGO that has set-up He hopes the project will help

:52:33.:52:36.

educate the next generation And Mohamed Najjar is a Syrian

:52:37.:52:39.

doctor here in the UK. He's lost family members

:52:40.:52:50.

and friends in the conflict. Mohamed and Huseyin, thank you for

:52:51.:53:00.

joining us. Mohamed, let's start with you. How has your family been

:53:01.:53:08.

affected by six years of war in Syria? Well, thank you for inviting

:53:09.:53:14.

me to this show. In fact, many Syrian families are going through

:53:15.:53:19.

the same suffering. My family is separated between several countries.

:53:20.:53:22.

Some of them are still in Syria, some of them in Turkey, in Saudi

:53:23.:53:29.

Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Sweden, Germany, Austria and

:53:30.:53:35.

Britain. And the number of children affected is ready quite

:53:36.:53:38.

catastrophic. An entire generation is growing up only ever having known

:53:39.:53:43.

conflict and displays them. That's right. As the United Nations report,

:53:44.:53:48.

and Save the Children and many organisations have stated, I do

:53:49.:53:56.

quote a number of statistics done in 2015, talking about 800,000 children

:53:57.:54:02.

that have lost their families, whether they are a father or a

:54:03.:54:06.

mother, and they are without proper care, no access to education, they

:54:07.:54:12.

have no one to look after them, especially from the psychological

:54:13.:54:15.

point of view. I think these children deserve to live a normal

:54:16.:54:22.

life, after the Mass loss they have heard through family and their

:54:23.:54:27.

environment. Huseyin in Turkey, tell us a little bit more about your

:54:28.:54:31.

village for these orphans, what it aims to do. Because what they will

:54:32.:54:37.

want more than anything is a normal life, like Mohamed suggests. Yes,

:54:38.:54:41.

thank you very much. Now we are in the inauguration programme of the

:54:42.:54:47.

most biggest orphan care centre. It is really very important. As Mohamed

:54:48.:54:56.

says, we have 1 million orphaned children from Syria, almost half of

:54:57.:55:01.

them living in Turkey. Now we are giving shelter education of all the

:55:02.:55:07.

needs of these orphans, and we are hoping for the future of Syria,

:55:08.:55:14.

education of these orphaned children will be very important. It is one of

:55:15.:55:22.

the biggest investments for the Syrian refugees, but not only

:55:23.:55:27.

limited the Syrians. It is one of the biggest investments for the

:55:28.:55:32.

orphans of the region. It will be almost 100 firm -- 1000 students

:55:33.:55:44.

will be educated. They will continue to the university degrees. But only

:55:45.:55:50.

giving food and shelter for the others, also it is a time we need to

:55:51.:55:54.

start investing for the future of Syria. The main purpose of this

:55:55.:56:03.

facility is to train, educate for the future of Syria. Huseyin how

:56:04.:56:08.

important will the psychological support be for these children. They

:56:09.:56:15.

must be immensely traumatised. Definitely, all of the children,

:56:16.:56:21.

many of them, they have abuse, they have faced very big difficulties,

:56:22.:56:27.

not only in losing families, also life is very difficult for them.

:56:28.:56:38.

Itself, the facility is very important for them. They lose their

:56:39.:56:44.

parents and they are alone now, but in this facility they will live in

:56:45.:56:51.

their own home. You will see the villas on the back. Each villa is

:56:52.:56:55.

350 square metres, and they will live in this, in each villa 18

:56:56.:57:04.

students will be there, and they already there. Huseyin, it sounds

:57:05.:57:08.

very ambitious, and we wish well with your project. Mohamed, when you

:57:09.:57:12.

hear about this, is this the kind of future you want to see for Syrian

:57:13.:57:16.

orphans? Because there has been criticism that countries like

:57:17.:57:19.

Britain have not taken as many children as they could have.

:57:20.:57:24.

Absolutely, I would like to see Syrian children in education,

:57:25.:57:27.

successfully participating in the rebuilding of Syria, but the big

:57:28.:57:31.

question is we have accommodated 1000 children in this facility. What

:57:32.:57:37.

about the 1.5 or the 2 million left behind? No access to education and

:57:38.:57:42.

they are deprived. I think the best help for Syrian people and the

:57:43.:57:45.

Syrian kids is to keep them at home, is to stop the barrel bombs, stop

:57:46.:57:50.

the chemical attacks, stopped all of the atrocities and barbaric crimes

:57:51.:58:01.

being perpetrated on a daily basis. Thank you both very much.

:58:02.:58:06.

A lot of comments coming in about our interview with Nicola Adams,

:58:07.:58:11.

people very pleased to see her on screen. Alastair says what a truly

:58:12.:58:16.

inspirational woman. I am not a boxing fan, but when she speaks, I

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listen. BBC Newsroom Live is coming up next with full coverage of the

:58:21.:58:23.

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