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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Martine Croxall -

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This morning, we've a special report on the growing number of children

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in America undergoing electric shock treatment, where a current is passed

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The controversial therapy is being used on severely autistic

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Is it cruel, or does it improve their quality of life?

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There is no doubt that ECT is the only reason that Jonah has any

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quality of life. It is traumatic rain injury, very much like somebody

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who has just had a severe concussion.

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It's been the week of the manifesto, with the main parties

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releasing their plans for how they would rule if

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Has any of it made a difference in the way you're going to vote?

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We are talking to a panel of undecided voters about what they

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think and of course politicians from the major parties.

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You may well have seen Three Girls, the powerful BBC drama

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about the Rochdale child sex abuse ring.

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It was a harrowing, hard watch and has been praised for how close

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There is no such thing as a child prostitute. What there is is a child

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who was being abused. By two? By men who pick on vulnerable girls.

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Well, a little later we'll be talking to Sarah Rowbotham,

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the sexual health worker who blew the lid on the scandal.

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Lots coming up today, that special report on autistic children

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undergoing shock therapy in America, is it cruel or a way of helping them

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have a better life? Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Our top story today -

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Brexit dominated the televised leaders' debate, which was held last

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night despite the absence The ITV event saw little

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disagreement between the Lib Dems, Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP,

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but they repeatedly clashed Our political correspondent

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Tom Symonds reports. Five party leaders took part,

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four support Britain In Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn's

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absence, they turned on the one leader who didn't,

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Ukip's Paul Nuttall, attacking his support for a hard

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Brexit and his tough Theresa May may not have had

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the guts to be here tonight, but her spokesperson in the form

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of Paul Nuttall certainly appears I know immigration is a difficult

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topic for politicians, people have understandable concerns,

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but when we talk about European migrants, we're talking

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about people who work in our National Health Service,

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we're talking about people who serve us in our restaurants,

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we're talking about people The Ukip leader said Brexit

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would offer Britain enormous trade opportunities,

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and controlling immigration One of the reasons that wages have

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stagnated in recent years, and have probably stagnated

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since about 2004, is because of That's the answer to

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everything, isn't it? We have an oversupply

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of labour in this country, The leader of the Greens,

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Caroline Lucas, said there was no question for which the answer

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from Ukip wasn't immigration. Not only did Labour give the Tories

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a blank cheque for a hard Brexit, they basically gave them a lift

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to the bank and helped The Liberal Democrats are offering

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a second vote on whether Britain Their leader, Tim Farron,

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believes it's better the people She's putting together

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a plan which appeases the Paul Nuttalls and Nigel Farages

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but damages our children's future. That is why you should

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have the final say on the Brexit The Plaid Cymru leader, Leanne Wood,

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was concerned that restrictions on trade post-Brexit could harm

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Wales' aerospace companies Do you think they're

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going to stay there? No, of course they're not

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going to stay there. That's 6500 well-paid jobs in Wales

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that you are prepared to just Natalie, we have a huge

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trade deficit... Twice, under fire, Mr Nuttall

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appeared to confuse Audience members asked how

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the leaders would invest in schools, hospitals, social care,

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and the future of younger people. There was general agreement money

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would need to be found, but when Ukip's Paul Nuttall

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insisted there would be a financial benefit to Britain leaving the EU,

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this was the reaction. Is that going to the

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Health Service, or where? A reference to the infamous

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battle bus and its promise The bus is going to come

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driving past any minute! Brexit continues to dominate this

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unexpected election race. Our political correspondent Eleanor

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Garnier joins us now from Westminster. The debate last night,

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you wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May thought they had missed

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a trick by not appearing? It was certainly interesting to hear

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the party leaders that did turn up discuss issues like Brexit,

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migration and social care but of course there was lots of criticism

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for Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn for not turning up. Interestingly

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because four of the party leaders on that stage backed staying in the

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European Union in the referendum last year, most of the attacks ended

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up being directed at Ukip's leader Paul

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Nuttall, but realistically none of those party leaders are going to end

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up in Number Ten after the general election and that is why so much of

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the focus this morning is on the Conservative Party manifesto and

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changes to social care, that people's properties will now be

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included in those means test for care at home. The Conservatives

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saying you will not have to sell your home to papal social care and

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the threshold will rise to ?100,000, nevertheless Labour saying those

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changes are sick and sneaky, Tim Farron for the Liberal Democrats

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calls it at dementia tax. Theresa May did say yesterday there were

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some big and difficult decisions to be made, I think she and her team

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will be well aware that some of these policies could risk ending up

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alienating some of the traditional Tories.

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This week we have seen the manifesto launches by several parties, at

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last. What is going to happen today? We

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will hear more from Labour today, they have a press conference in the

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next hour or so and unsurprisingly they will keep up the attacks on the

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Conservatives, not just on the social care issue but saying the

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Tories did not put out a fully costed manifesto, there was just not

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enough detail in there, they say. One big issue, immigration, we heard

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from the Defence Secretary Michael Fallon last night, of course the

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Conservatives recommitting to bring net migration, the difference

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between those who arrive and those who leave, back down to the tens of

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thousands, Michael Fallon admitting last night they have not done the

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working out on that, they don't know when they will hit that target and

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therefore don't know how much it will cost. John McDonnell Philae but

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this morning saying it is a complete joke. It is true to say that unlike

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Labour and the Liberal Democrats, the Tories, with their manifesto,

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did not put out a single document with the costings in it.

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Thank you very much, Eleanor Garnier in Westminster.

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Annita McVeigh is in the BBC newsroom with the summer of the

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day's news A man who drove a car along

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in New York's Times Square, killing a teenager and injuring

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22 people, said he had "heard voices", according

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Richard Rojas, a US navy veteran who was arrested twice

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previously for drunk driving, is now in custody.

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New York mayor Bill de Blasio said there was "no indication"

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American warplanes operating over Syria have attacked a convoy

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carrying pro-government militia forces.

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The US-led coalition said it was moving towards a base

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used by Western special forces near the border with Iraq.

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Last month, the Americans fired 59 cruise missiles at a Syrian

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But Washington has insisted its latest military action does not

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mean it is stepping up its role in the Syrian war.

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President Trump is set to embark on his first foreign visit

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He's going to Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Vatican.

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he will be hoping to leave behind the controversy over allegations of

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collusion between his campaign team and Russia.

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Last night, he publicly denied asking the sacked FBI director,

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James Comey, to back off an investigation into his

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former National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn.

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Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had

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up-to-date background checks to ensure they are

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BBC analysis of figures obtained under a Freedom

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of Information request showed 90% of officers in one

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The process checks finances, employment history,

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as well as making a detailed search for any convictions.

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In 2012, the Association of Chief Police Officers recommended

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a thorough background vetting for all police officers

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It's a process that takes several months and checks on all aspects

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It's designed to ensure that nobody unsuitable is employed.

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Peter Bunyan was a Devon and Cornwall community support

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officer jailed for misconduct in the 2013 after using the police

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An investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission found

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he would have been rejected if he had undergone proper vetting.

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The Devon and Cornwall Police Force still has more than 100 front-line

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staff who haven't been checked according to the latest guidelines.

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The BBC made a Freedom of Information request asking other

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forces what was the situation in their area.

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It found that a total of almost 14,000 police officers hadn't

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In Northumbria, almost nine out of ten of its officers,

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that's around 3000 people, hadn't been properly vetted.

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The force said a retrospective programme of vetting

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Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary, Mike Cunningham,

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said forces needed to address this matter urgently, while

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the Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file

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officers, said it was disappointed to see such a huge backlog.

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A BBC investigation has found flaws in the voice-recognition

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security used by one of Britain's biggest banks.

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HSBC's system analyses customers' voice patterns to allow them

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The bank says every person's voice is unique and that

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But the Click technology programme has shown that it is possible

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for someone to log into an account that's not their own.

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One of Britain's airports is moving it's control tower

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around 100 miles away from the actual runway.

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London City Airport is to become the first in Britain

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to abandon its bird's-eye view of the runway and use

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digital technology to monitor planes remotely.

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Our transport correspondent Richard Westcott reports.

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Modern airports are dynamic, fast-flowing, hundreds of pieces

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being moved around every minute, and all of those movements must be

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tightly choreographed to keep it safe.

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This is London City Airport, and that is just one of the 300

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or so take-offs and landings that happen here every day.

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Until now, all of those flights have been coordinated by a group

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of controllers who look out of these windows here.

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But in the future those windows are going to be replaced by these

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Controllers won't just see the airport, they will be

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The thing is, this digital control tower is 120 miles

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We've been shown this simulation, but by 2019 controllers will be

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sitting here directing traffic for real, using pictures

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fed from a new camera tower next to the runway.

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Unlike the old tower, they can zoom in for a better view,

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put radar data onto the screen to track aircraft.

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Critically, for safety, the cameras can pick out rogue

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drones near the airport and light the runway at night.

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My initial reaction was sceptical because I'm used

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They give the controller more information in terms

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of what they can see, what they can hear, how

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they can identify targets, how they can track targets.

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The awareness that the controller gets, it's all about being heads up,

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A tower controller's job is we get paid to look out of the window,

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Now I know exactly what you're thinking.

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The number one question I've been asked by everybody

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I've told about this is, what if the TV screens go down,

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The system has been independently stress tested

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We have three cables that are in place between the airport

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If one of those was to fail, there's a back-up.

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And in the event that that fails, there's another cable.

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And they're all routed, taking different routes

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London City is convinced the new system will make

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their operations more efficient and more safe.

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The idea of a control tower miles from the airport may seem odd,

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

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This morning we are talking about political party manifestos and also

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about the BBC drama Three Girls. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Let's take a look at some of the

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sports stories at the moment, Ollie Foster is with us this morning. Some

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dramatic football matches last night?

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Yes, we have had the play-off semifinals over the weekend, a

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couple of days ago Huddersfield and wedding got into that ?200 million

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play-off final in the championship to get into the Premier League, that

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was dramatic in itself just by the fact there is so much riding on

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those play-off semifinals, that is coming up in ten days, something

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like that. A bit lower into League 1 and League 2, two incredible

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play-off semifinals last night. Blackpool had been in a bit of a

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death spent in the Premier League but they have just squeaked into the

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play-offs by a single point in the two, it was 3-2 on the night against

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Luton, 5-4 on aggregate, and look at that, Luton's goalie, Stuart Moore,

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it was an own goal in the end, I think it was coming in, that was in

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stoppage time. Luton finished third in the league, by far the strongest

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team in the play-offs, but that is what the play-offs are all about,

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Blackpool are into the Wembley final and they will be playing Exeter, who

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played Carlisle last night. Very similar, this finished 6-5 on

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aggregate. Carlisle had just equalised, the tie was heading for

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extra time, that man celebrating there, Jack Stacey, he spent a bit

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of time on loan at Carlisle last season, so they are heading to

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Wembley to face Blackpool on May the 28th, nervous occasions, those

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Wembley finals. I meant to ask you about a

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meaningless match in the Premier League involving Leicester!

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Recovered the Leicester story last year, with all those celebrations

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but not much riding on this. Leicester tried to defend their

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title but just hoped to finish in the top half of the table. Spurs,

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some unfinished business, they missed out to Leicester to the title

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last year and they went to the King power last night and absolutely

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thrashed Leicester 6-1. Harry Kane is now top scorer in the league with

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26, two clear of Romelu Lukaku heading into the final game also he

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has 32 in all competitions. These were a couple of his goals. He

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scored four on the night, his fourth hat-trick of the season, the first

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time he has scored four in the game -- Simmons on got the other two. It

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equals Spurs' biggest away win in the top division. This week has had

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a couple of stinking games, Manchester United against

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Southampton was terrible! It had a bit of an end of term feel. But 6-1,

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Spurs really enjoy that. In the Scottish Premiership, that also

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concludes at the weekend, Celtic are still unbeaten, they are up to 103

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points. They beat Partick Thistle 5-0 last night. They are 30 points

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clear of Aberdeen. The last time they went through the whole season

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unbeaten was 1898, that is what is riding on their last match of the

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season. Meaningless but at the same time you always find something to

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play for. 30 points is what they call a

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convincing lead! Thank you. Children in America are undergoing

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electric shock treatment Now known as Electro

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Convulsive Therapy, or ECT, the controversial treatment

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is being used on severely autistic The BBC has been given

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access to film a child Our World's Chris Rogers has

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been to meet parents who say the treatment

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is helping their children, and And just to warn you that the film

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shows children self-harming and undergoing Electro Convulsive

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Therapy - images that some 16-year-old Jonah is about to have

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electroconvulsive therapy, We're doing bilateral

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electro placement, 20%. Our cameras have been invited

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for the first time to film this Modern ECT is a very simple,

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safe, quick procedure. Some call for a total ban

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on ECT for children. Very much like somebody who has just

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endured a severe concussion. But Jonah's mother, Amy,

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is campaigning to allow more children like him

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to have the procedure. There is no doubt that ECT

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is the only reason that Jonah has Jonah is autistic, and before

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the treatment he used to lash But some families feel

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it's their only option. In 2009, US Army intelligence

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officer Chad Calvaresi and his wife Casey travelled to Serbia,

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to adopt five-year-old Sophia. Sophia had spent much of her short

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life suffering neglect and abuse The first day we were with her,

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she hit us all and bit us all and pulled my hair,

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and punched our youngest son. Determined to give Sophia

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a better life, they brought We had great hope that, you know,

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we kept saying I can't wait to see At that point, I was convinced

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that our love would heal her. But over the next few years,

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Sophia became increasingly It just increased and increased

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and increased up to the point that we weren't even sure

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how to keep her safe. It's kind of the worst-case

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scenario, we had to bring This is the last time,

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where she had beat herself so bad her nose was busted

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and was bleeding, her lips It's estimated one in ten autistic

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children seriously self harm. Some theories linking to anxiety,

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caused by an overload Others to frustration -

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autistic children can Behavioural disturbance is very

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common in children with autism. Often times it is readily amenable

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to behavioural treatments, but sometimes those behaviours

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cannot be easily curtailed, and can become quite

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dangerous for the child. In early 2016, for her own safety,

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Sophia had to leave home and go into a secure unit at the renowned

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Kennedy Krieger Institute It often took three highly trained

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care staff using special techniques to prevent Sophia injuring

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herself and others. We have tried years of behavioural

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therapy, years of medication, and we have proven time and again

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that, for Sophia, these So, like every other mum dealing

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with any problem with your kids, I went to Google and said,

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right, Doctor Google. Casey came across author

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and campaigner Amy Lutz, whose own violently autistic son

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Jonah has had ECT for five years. Well, ECT has been transformative

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for Jonah's life and for our life. We went from a period of time

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for years where Jonah was raging, The only reason he is able to be

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home, and with us in Atlantic City, the only reason he is able to do

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that is because of ECT. Some human rights organisations

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call for a total ban. Leading the fight against ECT

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is Doctor Peter Breggan, who has long campaigned

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against the psychiatric After seeing for myself the

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desperation of Sophia's situation, I want to know why he thinks ECT

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should never be an option. The electricity not only travels

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through the front lobes - that's where the electrodes are,

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that's the seat of intelligence It also goes through the temporal

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lobes, just the tip of the temporal You are blasting with an electric

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current the seat of memory. You are damaging the very

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expression of the personality, the character, the individuality,

:24:28.:24:33.

and even if you believe it, Jonah is heading into New York

:24:34.:24:35.

for his latest ECT session. He is one of just a few hundred

:24:36.:24:43.

self injuring children to have the treatment

:24:44.:24:46.

since it was introduced With the long-term effects not

:24:47.:24:47.

known, its use on children is blocked in some countries

:24:48.:24:54.

and in a handful of US states. But Jonah's doctor is so convinced

:24:55.:24:58.

it is effective and safe, for the first time, he is allowing

:24:59.:25:02.

Amy and our cameras to witness it. I think almost all the problem

:25:03.:25:10.

with ECT is misinformation, misunderstanding about what modern

:25:11.:25:15.

ECT is, and continued perpetuation of the sensationalist

:25:16.:25:19.

portrayals of the past. Jonah has had around

:25:20.:25:21.

260 ECT sessions. The modern treatment is carried out

:25:22.:25:30.

under general anaesthetic, with muscle relaxants

:25:31.:25:33.

to prevent violent convulsions. We are doing bilateral electro

:25:34.:25:38.

placement, 20% at 0.5. Doctors admit they don't know

:25:39.:25:44.

exactly how ECT works. There is a lot of interesting

:25:45.:25:49.

new neural imaging research showing that ECT actually reverses some

:25:50.:25:54.

of the brain problems in the major We don't exactly know why it works

:25:55.:25:57.

in people with autism and superimposed mood disorders,

:25:58.:26:03.

but we think it probably re-regulates the circuits

:26:04.:26:11.

in the brain that are deregulated Doctor Kelner administers just

:26:12.:26:13.

an amp of electric current ECT specialists believe this in some

:26:14.:26:17.

way resets the malfunctioning brain. Any thoughts, Amy, now that

:26:18.:26:40.

you have seen it yourself? You know, there is a

:26:41.:26:42.

little bit of movement. I have seen Jonah have a real

:26:43.:26:51.

grand mal seizure before The ECT alleviates Jonah's

:26:52.:26:54.

self injuring behaviour It's generally a very

:26:55.:27:02.

simple and safe, easy, Still, medical experts are very

:27:03.:27:11.

sceptical that ECT does anything in particular for children

:27:12.:27:20.

like Jonah, and that I think those are uneducated

:27:21.:27:22.

criticisms, and the way to counter them is to show people what modern

:27:23.:27:30.

ECT is really like, and show them the results with

:27:31.:27:35.

patients like Jonah. Some doctors say that they can

:27:36.:27:36.

suffer memory loss? Well, we know a lot about long-term

:27:37.:27:40.

effects, because there are patients with more typical indications

:27:41.:27:43.

for ECT who have been getting maintenance ECT for many

:27:44.:27:46.

years, some for decades. There really are no cumulative

:27:47.:27:50.

adverse effects of the treatment, so it seems to be very safe even

:27:51.:27:53.

to continue it for a long period. Worldwide, about 1 million

:27:54.:27:58.

people have ECT each year. Most for severe, often

:27:59.:28:03.

life-threatening depression. Though the severity and even

:28:04.:28:06.

the definition is hotly disputed. Studies by ECT doctors suggest most

:28:07.:28:20.

memory lapses are very short term. With memory function soon

:28:21.:28:23.

returning to normal. Those against ECT have produced

:28:24.:28:26.

surveys showing more than half of patients suffering

:28:27.:28:28.

long-term memory loss. When the person wakes up, they have

:28:29.:28:47.

all the signs, if they can speak, They may not know who they

:28:48.:28:51.

are or where they are, A referee would stop a boxing match

:28:52.:28:56.

if the boxer got hit and looked like somebody coming out of ECT,

:28:57.:29:08.

because they come out concussed. In Baltimore, Sophia has been

:29:09.:29:11.

in the Kennedy Krieger neurobehavioural unit

:29:12.:29:13.

for seven months. One month later, Sofia's doctors

:29:14.:29:16.

give the go-ahead for ECT. Probably after the third

:29:17.:29:28.

or fourth treatment, we really started to see a marked

:29:29.:29:30.

improvement in her mood. And an additional 30 to 40%

:29:31.:29:36.

reduction just in the sheer And in September, having been

:29:37.:29:38.

in the unit all year, Sophia is allowed home to live

:29:39.:29:45.

with her family. The family say they have

:29:46.:29:49.

seen a huge improvement. When she has behaviours,

:29:50.:30:03.

they are much shorter, She used to have bursts of

:30:04.:30:05.

behaviours where she was aggressive, Now it will be a matter of a few

:30:06.:30:11.

minutes for her to calm down. Each week day, Sophia

:30:12.:30:16.

has school lessons with My biggest concern was that she was

:30:17.:30:18.

going to lose quality of life, Now she is back to loving doing

:30:19.:30:27.

multiplication and division. When she started ECT, she was doing

:30:28.:30:32.

zero academic work at all. But later that afternoon,

:30:33.:30:40.

six days after her last ECT, Chad and her carer have to use

:30:41.:30:52.

approved restraint techniques Uptick in any type of aggression

:30:53.:30:59.

usually towards one or two days, a day-and-a-half prior

:31:00.:31:22.

to her usual scheduled ECT. ECT for severely self-injuring

:31:23.:31:27.

autistic children like Sophia And without a long-term

:31:28.:31:34.

scientific study, it remains Right now, Sofia's

:31:35.:31:40.

parents have no regrets. What about the thought

:31:41.:31:50.

of ECT every single week But, what future did

:31:51.:31:58.

she have without it? We have had reaction already do that

:31:59.:32:20.

very powerful film. I tweet says, AST, sensory deficit kids being

:32:21.:32:24.

given an electric shock treatment for self harm is alarming that well

:32:25.:32:27.

covered. Natalie says, my son has ASD and I

:32:28.:32:32.

think this is an evil treatment to give to anyone let alone a child who

:32:33.:32:37.

cannot voice their own opinion. Luis days, I believe ECT is

:32:38.:32:41.

acceptable for autistic children who exhibit severe self harm and only as

:32:42.:32:43.

a last resort. Thank you for those comments.

:32:44.:32:50.

You can see a longer version of Chris Rogers' film,

:32:51.:33:02.

"My Child, ECT and Me", on Our World on the BBC

:33:03.:33:05.

News Channel at 9.30pm on Sunday and on the BBC iPlayer.

:33:06.:33:07.

And later in the programme we'll be discussing whether this therapy

:33:08.:33:10.

should ever be used to treat autistic children here in the UK.

:33:11.:33:13.

After a week of manifesto launches, we'll be having a look

:33:14.:33:19.

at three of the issues you tell us are most important.

:33:20.:33:22.

We'll also be speaking to politicians and later

:33:23.:33:23.

to undecided voters to see if it's made things any clearer.

:33:24.:33:26.

And after the chilling finale to last night's Three Girls,

:33:27.:33:29.

which tells the true story of child sexual abuse in Rochdale

:33:30.:33:31.

by a gang of Asian men, we speak to the woman who blew

:33:32.:33:34.

Here's Annita with a summary of the day's news.

:33:35.:33:41.

Brexit dominated the first televised leaders' election debate,

:33:42.:33:45.

held last night without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.

:33:46.:33:47.

The ITV event saw little disagreement between the Lib Dems,

:33:48.:33:52.

Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, but they repeatedly clashed

:33:53.:33:54.

And at 11.30am on the BBC News Channel, it's your opportunity

:33:55.:34:02.

to put your questions about the election

:34:03.:34:06.

and the NHS to our health editor, Hugh Pym.

:34:07.:34:10.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis,

:34:11.:34:13.

or text your questions to 61124, and you can email us as well

:34:14.:34:16.

A man who drove a car along pavements in New York's Times

:34:17.:34:22.

Square, killing a teenager and injuring 22 people, said he had

:34:23.:34:25.

"heard voices", according to law enforcement sources.

:34:26.:34:27.

Richard Rojas, a US navy veteran who was arrested twice

:34:28.:34:31.

previously for drunk driving, is now in custody.

:34:32.:34:33.

New York mayor Bill de Blasio said there was "no indication"

:34:34.:34:36.

Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had

:34:37.:34:45.

up-to-date background checks to ensure they are

:34:46.:34:46.

Figures obtained by the BBC under a Freedom of Information

:34:47.:34:57.

request showed 90% of officers in one force - Northumbria Police -

:34:58.:35:00.

The Inspector of Constabulary is urging forces to address

:35:01.:35:03.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:35:04.:35:10.

Let's check out all of the sports News now with Ollie.

:35:11.:35:21.

A very dramatic night in the League Two play-off semi-finals

:35:22.:35:26.

Blackpool, who were in the Premier League six years ago,

:35:27.:35:36.

have reached the final after a stoppage-time goal at Luton

:35:37.:35:38.

They will play Exeter after an equally nervy

:35:39.:35:44.

That was also balanced at 5-5 and heading to extra time

:35:45.:35:50.

Harry Kane scored four goals last night in Tottenham's

:35:51.:35:52.

6-1 win at Leicester - he is two goals clear

:35:53.:35:55.

of Romelu Lukaku in the race for the golden boot.

:35:56.:35:57.

Celtic are still unbeaten in the Scottish Premiership with one

:35:58.:35:59.

game to play they beat Partick Thistle 5-0 last night.

:36:00.:36:02.

British rider Geraint Thomas has pulled out of the Giro d'Italia -

:36:03.:36:05.

he was involved in a nasty crash on Sunday, when he was in

:36:06.:36:08.

second place overall, but he injured his shoulder

:36:09.:36:10.

This week three of the main parties have published their manifestos.

:36:11.:36:14.

These are their plans for how they'd run the country if they win

:36:15.:36:17.

Well, all three parties have made bold claims to appeal to

:36:18.:36:23.

Labour would scrap university tuition fees, the Lib Dems

:36:24.:36:26.

want to give dads an extra month of paid paternity leave,

:36:27.:36:29.

and the Conservatives say they'll cut net migration to below 100,000.

:36:30.:36:31.

We've taken three areas - social care, Brexit

:36:32.:36:35.

and welfare benefits - that our viewers have

:36:36.:36:37.

told us are important, and broken down what each

:36:38.:36:39.

We've also invited back some of the undecided voters that we've

:36:40.:36:44.

had on the programme during the campaign to see if any

:36:45.:36:47.

We'll speak to them in about half-an-hour's time.

:36:48.:36:57.

We're going to be talking to Labour candidate for Brent North

:36:58.:36:59.

Barry Gardiner, and Liberal Democrat candidate for Kingston

:37:00.:37:01.

We naturally asked the Conservatives to take part in the discussion,

:37:02.:37:05.

The Conservatives want to leave the single market.

:37:06.:37:12.

They've made no commitments on freedom of movement.

:37:13.:37:14.

Labour say they would rip up the existing plans,

:37:15.:37:17.

and make staying in the single market a priority.

:37:18.:37:20.

They'd also secure the rights of all EU citizens living in the UK.

:37:21.:37:28.

The Lib Dems would offer a second EU referendum,

:37:29.:37:32.

this time on the final Brexit deal, with an option to stay in the EU.

:37:33.:37:41.

Good morning to you both, thank you for joining us. Last night's debate

:37:42.:37:49.

was very much focused at times on Brexit, it has been billed as the

:37:50.:37:53.

Brexit general election campaign. Our relevant, though, when you are

:37:54.:37:57.

campaigning on the doorstep, is Brexit? Interesting, because

:37:58.:38:02.

actually people tend not to bring up Brexit on the doorstep. The things

:38:03.:38:06.

that are coming out on the doorstep of the worries they have over the

:38:07.:38:10.

Conservatives' plans to erode the value of their houses in old age,

:38:11.:38:15.

the way in which the schools are being starved of funding, and, in my

:38:16.:38:23.

area, sometimes it is up to ?1000 per pupil bossed by schools. That is

:38:24.:38:27.

huge and parents are really worried about this, and of course the other

:38:28.:38:32.

things coming up are about the housing crisis, and we need more

:38:33.:38:36.

homes for our young people to be able to even just rent at an

:38:37.:38:40.

affordable cost, so building homes is really, really critical. What

:38:41.:38:44.

about for the Liberal Democrats, how much resonance does Brexit have for

:38:45.:38:50.

you, given that if the Liberal Democrats -- if the Conservatives

:38:51.:38:53.

get the majority they are hoping for, they will be able to do

:38:54.:38:57.

whatever they like with Brexit? In our parliament, if you have a good

:38:58.:39:02.

opposition, people with experience, we can challenge the negotiations of

:39:03.:39:07.

the Tories, expose them, so their threat to pull Britain out of the

:39:08.:39:11.

single market is going to be shocking to people's jobs, people

:39:12.:39:15.

are going to lose jobs hand over fist if they pull us out of the

:39:16.:39:20.

single market and I think if we have Liberal Democrats in parliament to

:39:21.:39:24.

expose that, they will have to change their negotiating position.

:39:25.:39:27.

But this was warned before, the Remain camp said it is going to be

:39:28.:39:31.

disastrous for the economy, it hasn't been so far... We haven't

:39:32.:39:37.

left! People might have to see it to believe it? Possibly but people do

:39:38.:39:42.

like argument and the fact that the Conservatives won't turn up today,

:39:43.:39:45.

didn't turn up to the leaders debate, I have to tell you and your

:39:46.:39:49.

viewers that they keep refusing to turn up to debate, that is the

:39:50.:39:53.

shocking part of the selection, the fact the Tories won't even debate,

:39:54.:39:56.

and the reason they don't want to debate is this, so many of their

:39:57.:40:00.

policies are damaging ordinarily people, taking money from the

:40:01.:40:04.

schools, the health service, from the most vulnerable and poorest

:40:05.:40:11.

people in our society. I'm not surprised they don't want to turn up

:40:12.:40:14.

because it is a shocking policy they have got. And yet they seem to be

:40:15.:40:16.

appealing beyond their normal heartland... It is not the

:40:17.:40:19.

Conservative Party but the Tabriz may party. What they are trying to

:40:20.:40:25.

do is keep the British people that they are just voting for her, like a

:40:26.:40:30.

presidential election. They are not, they are voting for the Conservative

:40:31.:40:33.

Party, right-wing politicians with a right-wing agenda that will hurt

:40:34.:40:37.

most people in our society. The most important thing is to talk about the

:40:38.:40:40.

issue here and the issue about Brexit is this, where we disagree

:40:41.:40:46.

and the Labour Party from the Liberal Democrat if we accept the

:40:47.:40:50.

result of the referendum, we say we are going to leave the European

:40:51.:40:53.

Union but the way in which we do that has to be resolved. The way we

:40:54.:40:57.

disagree with the Conservative Party is simply this, they want to put

:40:58.:41:01.

their immigration policy at the heart of the Brexit negotiations and

:41:02.:41:06.

they will sacrifice our economy, the jobs and the wealth creation that we

:41:07.:41:11.

need, for the immigration policy, and that is why we are saying no, we

:41:12.:41:20.

start with the economy as the main thing, it is people's jobs that are

:41:21.:41:23.

most important and therefore we need to negotiate, we won't be members of

:41:24.:41:26.

the internal market but we need access, we need all the benefits

:41:27.:41:30.

that came from friction free access into those markets both through the

:41:31.:41:33.

single market and the customs union is that we will no longer have.

:41:34.:41:38.

Brexit means we leave but then we have to negotiate the terms not

:41:39.:41:42.

dictated by immigration policy but negotiated by jobs and the economy.

:41:43.:41:47.

Why do you not emphasise what you have in common over Brexit, which

:41:48.:41:52.

may be an acceptance that we leave but why not club together and say,

:41:53.:41:56.

let's give people a second vote on how we leave, the terms under which

:41:57.:42:01.

we leave? There is a problem, the Labour Party voted for Article 50

:42:02.:42:04.

and wanted it to go ahead in the way it is going... Wasn't that just

:42:05.:42:10.

recognising that we have voted to leave in the referendum? No, it

:42:11.:42:14.

wasn't, because it is how you leave, we were not told how you leave and

:42:15.:42:18.

the Liberal Democrats wanted to make sure that the negotiating agreement

:42:19.:42:23.

had to protect the rights of EU citizens. Barry, I have to say, let

:42:24.:42:28.

me finish, you were incorrect about the Liberal Democrat position and

:42:29.:42:31.

people need to know what it is. We accept the result of the referendum,

:42:32.:42:36.

Liberal Democrats would negotiate a Brexit deal and then at the end of

:42:37.:42:39.

those negotiations, which is probably going to take three or four

:42:40.:42:44.

years, possibly longer, at the end of those negotiations, when we

:42:45.:42:47.

eventually know what Brexit means, because we still don't know, we are

:42:48.:42:51.

saying that should be put to the people, it should be decided by the

:42:52.:42:57.

people. This thing started with the people, it should end with the

:42:58.:43:00.

people and not forced on by people like Barry or Theresa May. I want to

:43:01.:43:07.

move on... I'm happy to but can I make one quick point? That is that

:43:08.:43:11.

when they vote, the point is they should not be able to counter the

:43:12.:43:18.

referendum result, and that is... If the Brexit deal is a bad deal... You

:43:19.:43:24.

not to talk over you, Ed. The reason for that is because you and you and

:43:25.:43:29.

I and every other politician during that referendum debate, we went out

:43:30.:43:33.

there and we said, this is important, this is really important

:43:34.:43:36.

because if you vote in the referendum you are deciding what

:43:37.:43:39.

happens to this country... You are interrupting me again. We could

:43:40.:43:45.

decide whether we left or not. We could keep talking about this, or we

:43:46.:43:47.

could examine another issue! All parties have pledged to put

:43:48.:43:49.

billions more into the NHS. The Conservatives say they'll

:43:50.:43:52.

provide free social care but only once people's assets fall below

:43:53.:43:57.

?100,000, and that includes Labour wants to create

:43:58.:43:59.

a National Care Service, and put an extra ?8 billion

:44:00.:44:04.

into social care over The Liberal Democrats plan to add 1p

:44:05.:44:06.

more onto each rate on income tax and spend some of that money

:44:07.:44:12.

on social care. How can it be, then, Ed Davey, that

:44:13.:44:24.

the Conservatives in the last two years, before that Inca religion

:44:25.:44:27.

with your party, have been in charge of the NHS, in charge of social

:44:28.:44:33.

care, people say that they want better social care, they want a fit

:44:34.:44:38.

for purpose NHS, and yet many of them are saying they still trust the

:44:39.:44:42.

Conservatives to do the right thing by it? People waking up today will

:44:43.:44:46.

hear what the Tories announced yesterday in the manifesto, and what

:44:47.:44:50.

they announced in the manifesto is people who worked hard all their

:44:51.:44:55.

lives, bought a house, paid off the mortgage, if they are unlucky in the

:44:56.:44:59.

lottery of life to need a lot of care through maybe not dementia in

:45:00.:45:03.

later life, they will lose all those savings down to the last ?100,000,

:45:04.:45:17.

so basically what the Conservatives have done yesterday is reduce the

:45:18.:45:19.

inheritance tax threshold, which is about ?300,000, and put it down to

:45:20.:45:22.

?100,000, taxing people at 100%, so if you have got home, got a pension

:45:23.:45:25.

and you are old, I would be worried because the Conservatives are coming

:45:26.:45:28.

after you. Your family will have the trauma of having looked after you

:45:29.:45:30.

with your long-term dementia care needs and then they would get any

:45:31.:45:35.

inheritance. This is a tax on saving, a tax on death, a tax on

:45:36.:45:39.

inheritance and when people hear what the Tories proposed yesterday I

:45:40.:45:43.

think they will think twice about voting Tory. But they will be

:45:44.:45:50.

allowed to keep why shouldn't people have to pay for their own social

:45:51.:45:53.

care? Not everybody will need it. The point is this, there was an

:45:54.:45:57.

agreement to cap the cost of social care, it was indeed do not purport

:45:58.:46:00.

and the Government committed itself to its seven years ago. What

:46:01.:46:04.

happened there is they said there would be a feeling of ?76,000,

:46:05.:46:08.

nobody would have to pay more than that, it would rise with

:46:09.:46:12.

inflation... They would get a new mandate this way. That is what they

:46:13.:46:17.

are seeking, they are transferring the burden of your social care from

:46:18.:46:22.

the insurance policy that is our society, that we pay national

:46:23.:46:25.

insurance contributions in order to get, they are transferring the

:46:26.:46:30.

burden of your social care from the society to you, and they are saying

:46:31.:46:35.

that if you have a home, any homeowner receiving care in their

:46:36.:46:38.

own home now, instead of not having to pay if they have less than a

:46:39.:46:42.

certain threshold in cash, will pay the full cost of their care right

:46:43.:46:55.

the way, if that house is worth half ?1 million, in London that is not a

:46:56.:46:58.

very big house, they will pay the full cost of their house down to

:46:59.:47:01.

that last ?100,000. Older people are worried, sitting there thinking, all

:47:02.:47:04.

that I have built up in my life is being eroded, I wanted to pass

:47:05.:47:06.

something onto my children and the only way I can stop this process is

:47:07.:47:13.

by dying. That is appalling! It is absolutely horrific! Old people will

:47:14.:47:18.

be afraid of living too long so that they cannot pass something onto

:47:19.:47:22.

their children, that is what this Conservative Government is doing.

:47:23.:47:26.

I'm going to talk about a related subject which is welfare and

:47:27.:47:30.

benefits. The Conservatives would scrap

:47:31.:47:32.

the current protections on pensions payments and start means testing

:47:33.:47:34.

for winter fuel payments, taking Labour say they would abolish

:47:35.:47:36.

bedroom tax and reverse They'd also freeze

:47:37.:47:40.

the pension age at 66. The Lib Dems would reverse

:47:41.:47:44.

the cuts to universal credit and the cuts to housing benefit

:47:45.:47:47.

for 18-21 year olds. We need to be quite quick on this

:47:48.:47:59.

I'm afraid. Means testing a universal benefit, surely that make

:48:00.:48:07.

some sense, to try to rebalance with the different generations are

:48:08.:48:13.

getting. The benefit cuts the Tories are putting in which you have not

:48:14.:48:15.

covered are probably even more shocking. If you lose your partner,

:48:16.:48:21.

your husband or wife, and you are widowed, they used to be a

:48:22.:48:25.

bereavement benefit to help you and your children deal with that. They

:48:26.:48:29.

are slashing that back in the most extraordinary way. I feel passionate

:48:30.:48:34.

about this, my mother was widowed at 36 with three boys under ten and she

:48:35.:48:38.

died when I was 15 and that bereavement benefit was essential

:48:39.:48:42.

for my family and my mother to look after those children and the

:48:43.:48:46.

Conservatives are taking valuable resources away from people who lose

:48:47.:48:50.

their husband or wife. It is one of the most disgusting things I've ever

:48:51.:48:54.

seen in British politics and the Tory MPs and Theresa May who

:48:55.:48:56.

proposed this should hang their heads in shame. I agree with that

:48:57.:49:02.

and that is why the Labour manifesto said we would put back that

:49:03.:49:09.

bereavement support and reversed that can't. The question was about

:49:10.:49:12.

Winter Fuel Payment, and what is behind that, is if wealthy people

:49:13.:49:19.

should get those payments as well, why it should wealthy people who

:49:20.:49:23.

maybe don't need that allowance get it? The answer is simply this, it is

:49:24.:49:28.

a universal benefit. The importance of universal benefit is quite simply

:49:29.:49:33.

that nobody feels that they are subsidising other people getting

:49:34.:49:36.

things when they are not getting them themselves. We want people to

:49:37.:49:40.

understand that actually we are all part of society and that people who

:49:41.:49:44.

are paying their taxes are getting the same benefit. It is right, not a

:49:45.:49:50.

charity. And if it is means tested, there is the cost of and also, old

:49:51.:49:56.

people say if I have to fill out a form to do this, I don't feel

:49:57.:50:01.

comfortable actually telling people what might income is and what I'm

:50:02.:50:06.

doing. They don't claim it. And that means they would rather go without

:50:07.:50:11.

lunch or a huddle under a blanket than actually feel they are taking

:50:12.:50:19.

what they see as charity. It's not charity, it is your right to be warm

:50:20.:50:25.

in old age and we as a society have to accept that. We have scratched

:50:26.:50:29.

the surface and had not had enough time but thank you very much for

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answering those questions. You can see a full list of advocates

:50:31.:50:40.

for Brent North and Kingston and Surbiton on our website. -- of

:50:41.:50:41.

candidates. And we're going to be in Dunstable

:50:42.:50:44.

in Bedfordshire on Monday 29th May If you've made up your mind already

:50:45.:50:47.

who you're going to vote for, still deciding or don't think you'll

:50:48.:50:56.

bother, and would like the chance to share your views and grill senior

:50:57.:50:59.

politicians on their policies, There are more details

:51:00.:51:02.

on our Facebook and Twitter pages. The last episode of Three

:51:03.:51:18.

Girls aired last night. It's been watched by up

:51:19.:51:21.

to 5 million of you. It tells the story of the young

:51:22.:51:23.

girls who were groomed In 2012, nine men were jailed

:51:24.:51:27.

for their part in it. The men - mostly British Pakistanis

:51:28.:51:33.

- started by giving the girls free alcohol, cigarettes and taxi rides,

:51:34.:51:36.

but then went on to demand sex Here's a clip from Three Girls

:51:37.:51:39.

where the sexual health worker Sara Rowbotham tries to explain

:51:40.:51:46.

to the parents of the one of Holly is categorically

:51:47.:51:49.

not a prostitute. Plus there's no such thing as

:51:50.:52:11.

a child prostitute, what there is... Well, we can speak now

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to the real life woman behind Maxine Peake's character,

:52:20.:52:43.

Sara Rowbotham, the sexual health nurse who blew the whistle

:52:44.:52:45.

on the sex abuse scandal. We're also joined by Alison Worsley,

:52:46.:52:48.

deputy director of policy and public affairs at the children's charity

:52:49.:52:50.

Barnardo's. Good morning, welcome to both of you

:52:51.:52:59.

and thank you for joining us. How accurate portrayal was this drama?

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It was really accurate, absolutely the truth. What the writer was able

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to do was combine all of our truths, the truth of everybody involved in

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the drama, the parents, the young people, Maxine played me but I was a

:53:20.:53:28.

real combination of the team I managed at the time. Everything I

:53:29.:53:36.

said, or rather the character said, was a true reflection and a true

:53:37.:53:43.

scenario. Those events actually happened and it not to me, to one of

:53:44.:53:49.

my team. When we saw that enormous chart of the names of the men who

:53:50.:53:55.

were abusing those girls, how realistic was that, but you are

:53:56.:54:00.

trying to keep all of those notes? Yes, we did do that. It was actually

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really naive, it wasn't anything, it wasn't kind of skilled, we just

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thought that was the best way of trying to collate the information.

:54:15.:54:20.

Alison, how important a drama do you think this will prove to be, an

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important thing for all of us to watch the young people and parents?

:54:28.:54:31.

It is absolutely vital, it was confronting and harrowing but

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everything that Sara has said reflects from what we know from our

:54:36.:54:39.

work across the country. This is happening to boys as well as girls

:54:40.:54:45.

throughout the country, we worked with 5000 last year. To raise

:54:46.:54:48.

awareness and for parents to be able to have a conversation with their

:54:49.:54:54.

children, it is pivotal. You made so many referrals to the police and yet

:54:55.:54:58.

got knocked back. What kept you going? The girls. The girls. We had

:54:59.:55:07.

to make them safe, we had to make it stop and make it safe. We were not

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best placed to be able to do that, there were other people who were

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best placed so of course I had to keep telling people. These cases are

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often described as historical sex abuse cases. How accurate and

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helpful is the word historical for you? It's really not helpful and

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that is one of my continued bugbears. Using the word historical,

:55:33.:55:38.

it provided a level of reassurance to lots of people but this is

:55:39.:55:42.

something that probably happened in the distant past but for us who are

:55:43.:55:49.

involved, or for victims of abuse, there is no history, it is one long

:55:50.:55:55.

continue. It is not something that happened in the distant past that

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you've moved on from easily, it is something that stays with you and it

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is just a continuum, people are affected by daily. Using the word

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historical abuse is really diminishing and dismissive of the

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people who went through it. What struck me was the tenacity with you

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and your team and the bravery of those girls showed when nobody else

:56:22.:56:24.

was believing them but they kept trying to speak up. What happened to

:56:25.:56:30.

you after this case had ended? At the end of the drummer we saw you

:56:31.:56:35.

giving information and evidence to a select committee -- the end of the

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drama. I went to London to the Houses of Parliament and I was able

:56:43.:56:45.

to give evidence to the home abed select committee. -- at the home

:56:46.:56:52.

affairs select committee. It was a traumatic time for me personally and

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I was absent from work because I was quite poorly. The organisation I

:56:57.:57:02.

worked for, the powers that be in other organisations did not feel

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that they wanted my contribution in any future developments. I very

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quickly realised that doors were being closed and I was not invited

:57:16.:57:19.

to make any real contribution at all to the development of future

:57:20.:57:23.

services or to the whole agenda around what should be taking place

:57:24.:57:31.

around child sexual exploitation. Nobody really felt as though I could

:57:32.:57:35.

make a valuable contribution. A lot of people will find that very

:57:36.:57:38.

surprising and today there has been a lot of support for you on social

:57:39.:57:42.

media saying you have been treated appallingly. How have attitudes

:57:43.:57:50.

changed within the police? How far policy is changed, how more likely

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is it for young girls in this predicament to be believed?

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Hopefully, that is the core of this, hopefully young people will be

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believed now, that is what we want to see. If you think back to when we

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first raised this in 1998, child prostitution was still a term on our

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statute books, it did not get removed until 2015. If you think

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about the context that the police were working in then, the language

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that was used, those ingrained attitudes, I would like to think

:58:25.:58:26.

things have changed but this is still one of the biggest child

:58:27.:58:31.

protection issues of our time and we must keep raising awareness, would

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the programme is doing, and educating people and knowledge like

:58:38.:58:41.

Sara as God is vital so we can train people to spot the side of abuse and

:58:42.:58:44.

make sure young people are believed -- that Sara has got. And you have a

:58:45.:58:50.

lot of thought about how communities can be made less susceptible but I

:58:51.:58:54.

want to end on a slightly lighter note. What was it like having Maxine

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Peake, an extraordinary actress, playing your role and bringing

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together all of those efforts that your team made to keep those girls

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safe? It's a bit weird! When Maxine Peake came to my house, I had to

:59:09.:59:15.

stop myself from simply describing her as BAFTA nominated Maxine Peake,

:59:16.:59:21.

would you like a biscuit! BAFTA nominated Maxine Peake! It was a bit

:59:22.:59:31.

awesome, that you are able to say, a film made about you and it was

:59:32.:59:35.

Maxine Peake, the nation's sweetheart, the best actor in the

:59:36.:59:39.

country, who represented me. That's amazing really. I'm not surprised it

:59:40.:59:46.

has made you emotional. Thank you so much for talking to us today and

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thank you for your time as well. Let's catch up with the latest

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weather with Simon. Yesterday turned out to be a very

:59:55.:00:03.

wet day across central and eastern parts of the UK. The rain continued

:00:04.:00:07.

overnight but this morning we have had a lovely start with some blue

:00:08.:00:13.

skies in Port Talbot. Through the day there will continue to be

:00:14.:00:16.

sunshine but also some pretty heavy showers developing. They are already

:00:17.:00:21.

in south-west England and parts of Wales and will continue to develop

:00:22.:00:24.

and get heavier. There will be some thunderstorms in the south-west

:00:25.:00:30.

area. Further north and east, the rain continues to move in that

:00:31.:00:34.

direction and a chilly day on the East Coast of England but sunshine

:00:35.:00:38.

elsewhere and it might feel quite pleasant between the showers.

:00:39.:00:43.

Tonight the rain continues moving northwards into Scotland but

:00:44.:00:46.

elsewhere clear skies into Saturday morning so it could turn chilly in

:00:47.:00:50.

the countryside with temperatures around eight to 10 Celsius. On

:00:51.:00:54.

Saturday we continue with the theme of sunny spells and showers but like

:00:55.:00:58.

today, some showers could be heavy in parts of Wales and southern

:00:59.:01:03.

England and wide showers in northern England, Scotland and Northern

:01:04.:01:05.

Ireland and top temperatures tomorrow 13 to 18 degrees.

:01:06.:01:19.

Our special report on the growing number of children in America

:01:20.:01:25.

The controversial therapy is being used to help children

:01:26.:01:28.

who are severely autistic and self-harm.

:01:29.:01:29.

Is the treatment cruel and unnecessary?

:01:30.:01:31.

My biggest concern was that she was going to lose quality of life,

:01:32.:01:35.

Now she's back to loving doing multiplication and division.

:01:36.:01:43.

When she started ECT, she was doing zero academic work at all.

:01:44.:01:51.

We'll be talking to a father whose son has severe self-harming autism

:01:52.:01:54.

and a doctor who performs the treatment to help

:01:55.:01:56.

Security software designed to prevent bank fraud

:01:57.:02:02.

has been fooled by a BBC reporter and his twin.

:02:03.:02:04.

But a simple experiment with my nonidentical twin

:02:05.:02:12.

My financial details and the ability to transfer

:02:13.:02:23.

BBC Click reporter Dan Simmons and his non-identical twin Joe

:02:24.:02:31.

will be here to tell us how they duped the bank's

:02:32.:02:34.

Grime star Skepta wins two awards at last night's Ivor Novellos,

:02:35.:02:40.

You never think, when you are wrapping and writing, you never

:02:41.:02:52.

think your song is on the pedestal of like Chris Martin, you know what

:02:53.:02:58.

I'm saying? I don't think that. Everything I'm writing... It's very

:02:59.:03:00.

important, isn't it? And we'll be talking live

:03:01.:03:03.

to the winner of best Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:03:04.:03:06.

with a summary of today's news. Brexit dominated the first televised

:03:07.:03:15.

leaders' election debate, held last night without Theresa May

:03:16.:03:23.

and Jeremy Corbyn. The ITV event saw little

:03:24.:03:28.

disagreement between the Lib Dems, Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP,

:03:29.:03:31.

but they repeatedly clashed And at 11.30am on the BBC

:03:32.:03:34.

News Channel, it's your opportunity to put your questions

:03:35.:03:38.

about the election and the NHS to our health editor,

:03:39.:03:40.

Hugh Pym. You can get in touch via Twitter

:03:41.:03:48.

using the hashtag #BBCAskThis, or text your questions to 61124,

:03:49.:03:50.

and you can email us as well The former entertainer Rolf Harris

:03:51.:04:05.

has been released on bail from Stafford prison. He was convicted in

:04:06.:04:10.

2014. He is on trial at Southwark Crown Court accused of indecently

:04:11.:04:16.

assaulting three teenagers between 1981 and 1983. He denies the charges

:04:17.:04:17.

against him. A man who drove a car along

:04:18.:04:19.

pavements in New York's Times Square, killing a teenager

:04:20.:04:22.

and injuring 22 people, said he had "heard voices", according

:04:23.:04:24.

to security sources. Richard Rojas, a US navy

:04:25.:04:30.

veteran who was arrested previously for drink-driving,

:04:31.:04:36.

is now in custody. New York mayor Bill de Blasio said

:04:37.:04:37.

there was "no indication" American warplanes operating over

:04:38.:04:40.

Syria have attacked a convoy carrying pro-government militia

:04:41.:04:44.

forces. The US-led coalition said

:04:45.:04:48.

it was moving towards a base used by Western special forces

:04:49.:04:50.

near the border with Iraq. Russia described the action

:04:51.:04:52.

as "absolutely unacceptable". A 24-year-old man will appear before

:04:53.:04:58.

Manchester magistrates today charged with six counts of raping

:04:59.:05:01.

a child under 13. Osman Ali is accused of raping

:05:02.:05:06.

a child in Rochdale, following an investigation

:05:07.:05:08.

by the multi-agency Rochdale Sunrise That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:09.:05:10.

News - more at 10.30am. Do get in touch with us

:05:11.:05:23.

throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged

:05:24.:05:26.

at the standard network rate. Time for more sports news now,

:05:27.:05:37.

cannot get enough of it! The line-up for the three play-off

:05:38.:05:42.

finals at Wembley is now complete, two very dramatic semifinals in

:05:43.:05:46.

League 2 last night. Blackpool were in the Premier League six years ago

:05:47.:05:50.

and their tie against Luton was heading for extra time until this

:05:51.:05:54.

happened in injury time. It went down as an own goal from the

:05:55.:05:59.

Hatters' goalie. A bit unlucky. Blackpool heading to Wembley after

:06:00.:06:04.

winning 6-5 on aggregate. That was the same score over two

:06:05.:06:07.

legs between Exeter and Carlisle. The Cumbrians had levelled it but

:06:08.:06:16.

that man, Jack Stacey, got the Exeter winner, he spent time at

:06:17.:06:19.

Carlisle on loan last season as well. They will face Blackpool at

:06:20.:06:24.

Wembley on the 20th of May for a place in League 1.

:06:25.:06:27.

Harry Kane looks set to win the Premier League's Golden Boot. He

:06:28.:06:33.

scored 25 last season, up to 26 this one after scoring four against

:06:34.:06:41.

Leicester last night. They won 6-1. He is two goals clear Romalu Lukaku

:06:42.:06:46.

with just one game to play. It is his fourth hat-trick of the season,

:06:47.:06:50.

the first time he has scored four in the league, though. It equals the

:06:51.:06:55.

club's biggest away win in the top division in the club's history.

:06:56.:07:01.

Obviously delighted to get four goals for the first time in my

:07:02.:07:04.

professional career doing that, so a good moment to do it as well because

:07:05.:07:08.

there has been a bit of build-up in the week with the Golden Boot race,

:07:09.:07:12.

so I thought, get one or two tonight to put the pressure on so to get

:07:13.:07:17.

four is an amazing feeling. Celtic are still unbeaten in the

:07:18.:07:21.

Scottish Premiership with one game to play, 1898 was the last time they

:07:22.:07:24.

went through our whole league season without defeat. They

:07:25.:07:42.

only matches back then. Last night they won 5-0 at Partick

:07:43.:07:46.

Thistle. Their 33rd win in 37, it thought them equal their record

:07:47.:07:48.

points tally for a season, 103, 30 points clear of second placed

:07:49.:07:51.

Aberdeen. They have hearts on the last day of the season. Cycling

:07:52.:07:53.

News, British rider Geraint Thomas has pulled out of the Giro d'Italia.

:07:54.:07:56.

He was involved in a nasty crash last weekend, a pilot in the peloton

:07:57.:07:58.

when they collided with a stationary police motorbike. He had been second

:07:59.:08:01.

overall going into that stage, picked up a couple of nasty Nick

:08:02.:08:04.

goals and knocks there on his shoulder but it is his knee that has

:08:05.:08:08.

been giving him trouble in the last couple of stages. He says carrying

:08:09.:08:12.

God would be trying to survive each day rather than racing. -- carrying

:08:13.:08:18.

on. More in the next up an hour. Thank

:08:19.:08:23.

you, some breaking news now regarding Julian Assange, the

:08:24.:08:28.

founder of WikiLeaks. We are hearing that Sweden's Director of Public

:08:29.:08:33.

Prosecutions has decided to discontinue the investigation

:08:34.:08:39.

against Julian Assange. You may recall that Julian Assange has been

:08:40.:08:42.

living for some years in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, since

:08:43.:08:50.

2012, taking refuge there to try to avoid extradition to Sweden over the

:08:51.:08:55.

allegation of rape, which he denies. The public prosecutor in Sweden

:08:56.:09:02.

saying that she will discontinue the investigation into Julian Assange,

:09:03.:09:06.

the founder of WikiLeaks. Whether or not this will make him feel that he

:09:07.:09:10.

can leave the Ecuadorian Embassy any time soon, we will have to find out.

:09:11.:09:15.

So, just how clear are you about who to vote

:09:16.:09:18.

given that the manifestos of all the main parties

:09:19.:09:21.

We have four people joining us who are undecided on who to vote

:09:22.:09:25.

for, and who have all voted differently in the past.

:09:26.:09:28.

We're going to look at some of the key issues -

:09:29.:09:33.

Brexit, the NHS and welfare - and what could help these voters

:09:34.:09:38.

decide on which policies, and party, to back.

:09:39.:09:40.

The Conservatives want to leave the single market.

:09:41.:09:43.

They've made no commitments on freedom of movement.

:09:44.:09:46.

Labour say they would rip up the existing plans,

:09:47.:09:49.

and make staying in the single market a priority.

:09:50.:09:51.

They'd also secure the rights of all EU citizens living in the UK.

:09:52.:09:58.

The Lib Dems would offer a second EU referendum,

:09:59.:10:01.

this time on the final Brexit deal, with an option to stay in the EU.

:10:02.:10:15.

Joining us now, Sam Jennings, Jordan White, Rickael

:10:16.:10:17.

Let's look at the Brexit issue. Jordan, you were concerned because

:10:18.:10:29.

of the potential for there to be the new hard border between Northern

:10:30.:10:34.

Ireland and Ireland. How have the manifesto launches that we have seen

:10:35.:10:39.

this week helped you decide? They haven't helped me decide, they have

:10:40.:10:43.

made me more confident that I want to spoil my ballot. The debate so

:10:44.:10:48.

far is the same rhetoric of what can Brexit secure for Middle England, it

:10:49.:10:55.

has strengthened Nicola Sturgeon's hand in Scotland and have given some

:10:56.:10:59.

life to Plaid Cymru. How far does Brexit have to go, how hard does it

:11:00.:11:02.

have to be before the Northern Ireland Assembly is thought about?

:11:03.:11:06.

There is no assembly in Northern Ireland, no Government, just

:11:07.:11:08.

political talks which have collapsed again because of Theresa May's cool

:11:09.:11:14.

for a general election. Lanre, you voted Remain in the referendum. What

:11:15.:11:19.

about alternative ideas, for example the Liberal Democrats putting

:11:20.:11:22.

forward that they would want to have a second referendum when we know the

:11:23.:11:26.

terms of the deal, is that going to sway you? I think ultimately with

:11:27.:11:31.

the referendum there was a lot of misinformation, there were a lot of

:11:32.:11:35.

people, a lot of rhetoric and who knew what was true and what was

:11:36.:11:40.

going to be the case? We are still in a place of instability,

:11:41.:11:43.

uncertainty, let's fall off a cliff, no deal is a good deal, I don't buy

:11:44.:11:48.

it, it is a dangerous place to be in. Maybe if it is a case of when we

:11:49.:11:52.

know what we are going to be getting into, let's have a vote again, that

:11:53.:11:57.

is maybe a good idea, but I think they're definitely has to be

:11:58.:11:59.

something other than we are just going to go through this and

:12:00.:12:03.

whatever happens happens. Sam, how important would

:12:04.:12:16.

that be for you, or do you feel like a lot of people, we have decided to

:12:17.:12:22.

leave, get on with it? I do think we should get on with it but I like the

:12:23.:12:24.

manifesto that Jeremy Corbyn is saying about protecting the rights

:12:25.:12:27.

of people already here in the EU, so if somebody has established a life

:12:28.:12:30.

peer, they should stay. I don't want to stop immigration, but there does

:12:31.:12:32.

need to be controlled. You were thinking potentially voting

:12:33.:12:33.

Conservative, you have voted Conservative before, are you clear

:12:34.:12:36.

now? No, because I think a lot of the Labour policies are good

:12:37.:12:39.

policies, not sure if they could actually implement them. Some of the

:12:40.:12:46.

Tory policies are OK but I haven't read the full manifesto and nothing

:12:47.:12:51.

has lit me up to jump straight in and vote for them. Rickael, you have

:12:52.:12:59.

voted for Labour in the past, how much clearer Ayew that they could

:13:00.:13:04.

get your vote this time? More, for me it is pretty consistent the sort

:13:05.:13:11.

of thing the Labour tented come up with, you know what you are going to

:13:12.:13:15.

get. My reasons for voting for them in the past was not so much their

:13:16.:13:19.

policies but my local MP, who is very well respected in Hammersmith

:13:20.:13:23.

and Fulham, that has been my reason for voting for Labour in the past.

:13:24.:13:30.

Looking at the two manifestos, I think that, as we have touched on, a

:13:31.:13:34.

lot of these things, there is not a lot of substance behind it, lots of

:13:35.:13:39.

things have been said that we cannot guarantee will happen, especially in

:13:40.:13:43.

such uncertain times. If it is in the manifesto, they are meant to

:13:44.:13:46.

implement it, aren't they? They are meant to! Let's look at social care,

:13:47.:13:52.

some big announcements this week. There was a suggestion that it would

:13:53.:13:57.

be capped at 76,000 per person, I know social care and welfare is a

:13:58.:14:01.

bit of a concern to you, particularly Sam. What do you make

:14:02.:14:05.

of the idea of expecting people to fund their own care until they only

:14:06.:14:11.

have 100,000 in assets left? As somebody who will probably never

:14:12.:14:14.

have 100,000 in assets, I think if somebody has got that much money,

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and that is a lot of money... Even including their property these days?

:14:28.:14:29.

Probably not, with the way the property market is going, but people

:14:30.:14:32.

who have more should pay more. I don't think welfare should be there

:14:33.:14:34.

to help people who already have money in the bank. Lanre, what about

:14:35.:14:37.

the idea of making people pay rather than increasing tax, which is what

:14:38.:14:40.

the Liberal Democrats are saying, but an extra 1p on income tax and

:14:41.:14:44.

then you raise more money and have more money in the bank to pay for

:14:45.:14:48.

this stuff? I do agree in some respects because there are people in

:14:49.:14:52.

that position who can do something but it is means testing and making

:14:53.:14:56.

sure that it is right for the right individual, not this blanket whoever

:14:57.:15:00.

you are because it is putting people in dangerous positions. But the

:15:01.:15:04.

welfare Budget, there are so many different parts of the community

:15:05.:15:07.

that need welfare, the unemployed, if you have a disability, in care,

:15:08.:15:11.

so I think more thought needs to be put into it. If you can pay more

:15:12.:15:15.

than you probably should be the reason for working order life is

:15:16.:15:19.

that you have some money aside to help you in difficult times and it

:15:20.:15:22.

should be reviewed on a regular basis. It is a tough decision, I

:15:23.:15:28.

agree. A slightly connected subject is the issue of welfare benefits, a

:15:29.:15:31.

lot of people who previously would not have voted Conservative are now

:15:32.:15:34.

saying in this election that they trust Theresa May, they'd think she

:15:35.:15:38.

will do the right thing even on welfare benefits, even though some

:15:39.:15:42.

of those people will have seen their welfare benefits cut. How important

:15:43.:15:45.

do you think the leader of the party is in this election as to how people

:15:46.:15:47.

will vote? It is important, especially

:15:48.:15:55.

something like welfare where everybody has an opinion whether you

:15:56.:15:59.

are at the top end and have no need for it, you have an opinion because

:16:00.:16:02.

you are a taxpayer full is up and somebody who relies on those sorts

:16:03.:16:07.

of benefits, who may feel they are constantly being judged, people

:16:08.:16:13.

think they are using or abusing the system, regardless of where you are

:16:14.:16:16.

in the spectrum, you will have an opinion of who you should vote for

:16:17.:16:21.

based on welfare. I think leadership within parties is mostly who can

:16:22.:16:25.

articulate themselves the best and who can afford the best spin doctor.

:16:26.:16:30.

I don't know if you managed to watch the debate but the leaders of the

:16:31.:16:36.

two biggest body did not even turn up. Jeremy Corbyn so far is slightly

:16:37.:16:42.

right in that he wants to debate Theresa May but he has had plenty of

:16:43.:16:46.

times to do that, it is Prime Minister's Questions, and he has

:16:47.:16:52.

said is that line thrown at him to take a hit at her and he has not

:16:53.:16:56.

done it. Theresa May does not want to debate because I feel she is only

:16:57.:17:00.

good when she is fed the line, she repeats the line with somebody made

:17:01.:17:04.

up for her and she can't debate when she's on the spot. I suppose this is

:17:05.:17:10.

a question designed with undecided voters in mind, if you can't find

:17:11.:17:17.

someone to vote for, how ripe is the time for a new party to come to the

:17:18.:17:21.

fore? Like we have seen in France with Emmanuel Macron. How welcome

:17:22.:17:26.

would that be and what would they need to offer you? They would need

:17:27.:17:32.

to listen and understand that we have many different people in our

:17:33.:17:35.

communities and many different needs. You have to do something to

:17:36.:17:40.

meet these different needs and also be true to your word. We have seen

:17:41.:17:45.

similar politicians saying they will do this, not raise tuition fees, you

:17:46.:17:50.

name it, every single one is guilty and you can't trust them. Somebody

:17:51.:17:55.

who is authentic and does what they say and has a proven record of doing

:17:56.:17:59.

that, maybe, just maybe, you might listen to them and follow them. You

:18:00.:18:05.

have a few more days to decide God I hope you manage to decide that there

:18:06.:18:11.

is one that will get your vote -- a few more days to decide, I hope you

:18:12.:18:13.

get one to decide on. We can go back to the news from

:18:14.:18:23.

Sweden about Julian Assange. It has dropped in the last few minutes,

:18:24.:18:27.

what do we know? The Swedish prosecutor had until today to decide

:18:28.:18:31.

whether to renew this arrest warrant for Julian Assange on this

:18:32.:18:35.

allegation of rape or to drop the case and they have is added to drop

:18:36.:18:39.

it. We don't know the reasons, we should understand in the next half

:18:40.:18:43.

hour or so. What does it mean for him? He is not under threat of

:18:44.:18:51.

arrest to be sent to Sweden to face the prosecuting authorities there

:18:52.:18:55.

but he has always said his main concern is actually whether the

:18:56.:18:58.

Swedish authorities when he got that would extradite him to the United

:18:59.:19:01.

States where they are very angry about the fact that WikiLeaks

:19:02.:19:06.

published more than a quarter of a million various official secrets

:19:07.:19:10.

from the bomb and authorities. They want to prosecute him in regard to

:19:11.:19:15.

espionage. He has always said that is his main concern but the British

:19:16.:19:20.

authorities are also just as likely to accept any extradition request

:19:21.:19:23.

from the US as the Swedish authorities. So he might feel he

:19:24.:19:28.

doesn't want to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy yet? We don't know exactly

:19:29.:19:32.

until we hear from him, but that is my sense of it at the moment, that

:19:33.:19:37.

Britain would almost certainly cooperate with an American request

:19:38.:19:40.

for extradition and he would still be liable to arrest by British

:19:41.:19:45.

authorities for being in breach of his bail conditions. It is all about

:19:46.:19:50.

elements that have created a great deal of fascination with this story.

:19:51.:19:56.

Yes, he is seen by many as a litmus test for whether or not speech can

:19:57.:20:02.

be truly free. The Americans and particularly the current Department

:20:03.:20:05.

of Justice have made it clear they believe that what he has done is

:20:06.:20:10.

something that undermined the United States, something that should be

:20:11.:20:14.

prosecuted. Donald Trump has said on record in the past that he believes

:20:15.:20:19.

people who leak state secrets should be executed. Thank you very much.

:20:20.:20:21.

Back to politics now. Leaders of five political parties

:20:22.:20:24.

took part in a live TV election debate last night,

:20:25.:20:27.

without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn who both turned

:20:28.:20:29.

down the invitation. Brexit seemed to dominate

:20:30.:20:32.

as the leaders of the Lib Dems, the Green Party, the Scottish

:20:33.:20:36.

Nationalists and Plaid Cymru repeatedly clashed with

:20:37.:20:38.

Ukip's Paul Nuttall over the issue. Mr Nuttall said the UK should be

:20:39.:20:43.

bold in its Brexit negotiations Of course the deal will be better,

:20:44.:20:45.

because it couldn't be much worse than the deal that we've had

:20:46.:20:55.

whilst we've been within And I encourage the Prime Minister

:20:56.:20:58.

and David Davies, when you go into these negotiations,

:20:59.:21:03.

be bold, have courage. Promote how great our country

:21:04.:21:08.

actually is and accept that, in many ways, the European Union

:21:09.:21:11.

needs us far more than we need it. We have a huge trading

:21:12.:21:16.

deficit with the EU. There are six million

:21:17.:21:19.

jobs on the continent which are dependent

:21:20.:21:21.

on British trade. And I want to say to

:21:22.:21:25.

the Prime Minister, be bold on immigration,

:21:26.:21:28.

because when people voted to leave the European Union they didn't just

:21:29.:21:30.

vote to control our borders, Say no to any divorce bill

:21:31.:21:33.

that is put on the table, because since we've been members

:21:34.:21:41.

of this club we've paid in over ?180 billion

:21:42.:21:44.

in membership fee alone. The deal will be better,

:21:45.:21:47.

but only if Theresa May The SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon,

:21:48.:21:49.

said people should unite against the pursuit

:21:50.:21:57.

of what she called a hard, extreme Brexit, which she claimed

:21:58.:21:59.

would hit tens of thousands I campaigned passionately for the UK

:22:00.:22:02.

and Scotland to stay within the European Union,

:22:03.:22:10.

and I still believe that for all its faults, we are better

:22:11.:22:12.

off in the European Union And I believe - not now,

:22:13.:22:15.

but when the time is right at the end of this process -

:22:16.:22:19.

Scotland should have a choice But the priority now

:22:20.:22:22.

is the Brexit negotiations, because Theresa May is not just

:22:23.:22:25.

pursuing Brexit, she is pursuing Even today when she published her

:22:26.:22:29.

manifesto she threatened again That would be an

:22:30.:22:36.

economic catastrophe. That would cost, in Scotland

:22:37.:22:41.

alone, 80,000 jobs. So my message for people

:22:42.:22:45.

in Scotland, whether you voted Remain or to Leave is to vote SNP

:22:46.:22:49.

to strengthen our hand to get a deal that does not sacrifice Scottish

:22:50.:22:53.

jobs and the economy. Nicola Sturgeon the SNP leader

:22:54.:22:58.

speaking last night. We can speak now to SNP member

:22:59.:23:02.

Stewart McDonald who was watching Thank you for joining us. How

:23:03.:23:12.

worthwhile was that debate without Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn from

:23:13.:23:17.

the biggest parties? It is quite something that the Prime Minister

:23:18.:23:21.

and the lead of the Labour Party cannot turn up to a debate with five

:23:22.:23:25.

other people and yet both of them want us to believe that they are the

:23:26.:23:29.

ones who can deliver up against 27 other EU countries. It shows them to

:23:30.:23:35.

have a complete brass neck but Nicola Sturgeon did the right thing

:23:36.:23:39.

and turned up and made the case for Scotland to have a say in the Brexit

:23:40.:23:45.

deal. Nicola Sturgeon has criticised Theresa May for saying she wants a

:23:46.:23:49.

free hand on Brexit but surely that is what the SNB has been seeking all

:23:50.:23:54.

along for Scotland and potentially a second independence referendum --

:23:55.:23:58.

the SNP. You are right that the primers that what is that once the

:23:59.:24:05.

-- the promised want a free hand but it is not our job to give her one of

:24:06.:24:08.

our job is to provide good solid opposition to make sure that Ukip

:24:09.:24:13.

don't get to hijack the Brexit which they seem to be doing at the minute,

:24:14.:24:17.

and make sure we get a deal that works for all of the UK and in

:24:18.:24:20.

particular from our point of view, for the people of Scotland. How

:24:21.:24:28.

concerned are you and your party that the Conservatives under Ruth

:24:29.:24:32.

Davidson seem to be enjoying greater popularity than ever before? She is

:24:33.:24:36.

encouraging Labour voters to vote for her to keep the SNP out. It is

:24:37.:24:41.

quite something, since the alliance they formed in 2014, the Tories

:24:42.:24:48.

essentially have grabbed all about political ground in terms of the

:24:49.:24:51.

Unionist vote in Scotland and are taking votes away from Labour left

:24:52.:24:57.

right and centre. It shows the mess Labour are in, particularly here in

:24:58.:25:01.

Scotland. But we continue to be popular even after ten years in

:25:02.:25:05.

government, and we will continue to make the message and take it to the

:25:06.:25:10.

people of Scotland that only by voting SNP can you get a strong

:25:11.:25:14.

opposition. Tory MPs will give that three and two Theresa May which even

:25:15.:25:18.

those who voted for Brexit don't want her to have, they want a strong

:25:19.:25:21.

opposition and they will only get that from the SNP. You mentioned the

:25:22.:25:29.

mess that you perceive Labour to be in but Kezia Dugdale, according to

:25:30.:25:31.

one of the polls I have read, is enjoying a boost to her rating. You

:25:32.:25:40.

are snorting at that... Come on! Look at what has happened to

:25:41.:25:44.

Scottish Labour! They have been replaced by the Conservative Party

:25:45.:25:46.

in the Scottish Parliament that they themselves created when last in

:25:47.:25:49.

government, they are in a woeful mess, they have come badly across

:25:50.:25:55.

Scotland in the recent council elections just two weeks ago and

:25:56.:25:59.

they are no longer a major part of the conversation here. It is a

:26:00.:26:02.

straight up fight between the SNP, arguing for progress and fighting

:26:03.:26:07.

the corner of Scotland, and an increasingly right-wing Conservative

:26:08.:26:09.

Party. Stuart McDonald, thank you very much.

:26:10.:26:11.

And we're going to be in Dunstable in Bedfordshire on Monday 29th May

:26:12.:26:14.

who you're going to vote for, still deciding or don't

:26:15.:26:22.

think you'll bother, and would like the chance

:26:23.:26:23.

to share your views and grill senior politicians on their policies,

:26:24.:26:26.

There are more details on our Facebook and Twitter pages.

:26:27.:26:41.

A growing number of children in America are undergoing

:26:42.:26:46.

The controversial therapy is being used on severely autistic

:26:47.:26:51.

We'll be speaking to the father of a severely autistic child

:26:52.:26:55.

and to a psychiatrist who uses the treatment on adults

:26:56.:26:58.

How secure is voice recognition software?

:26:59.:27:04.

A growing number of banks use it, including HSBC,

:27:05.:27:06.

With the news here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

:27:07.:27:22.

Swedish prosecutors have dropped their investigation

:27:23.:27:29.

into the Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, who had

:27:30.:27:30.

Mr Assange is currently holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London

:27:31.:27:34.

The former entertainer Rolf Harris has been released on bail

:27:35.:27:41.

Rolf Harris, who's now 87, was convicted and sentenced in 2014.

:27:42.:27:49.

He's still on trial at Southwark Crown Court,

:27:50.:27:50.

accused of indecently assaulting three teenagers

:27:51.:27:53.

He denies all the charges against him.

:27:54.:28:00.

Brexit dominated the first televised leaders' election debate,

:28:01.:28:02.

held last night without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.

:28:03.:28:06.

The ITV event saw little disagreement between the Lib Dems,

:28:07.:28:09.

Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, but they repeatedly clashed

:28:10.:28:11.

And at 11.30am on the BBC News Channel, it's your opportunity

:28:12.:28:20.

to put your questions about the election

:28:21.:28:22.

and the NHS to our health editor, Hugh Pym.

:28:23.:28:26.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis,

:28:27.:28:29.

or text your questions to 61124, and you can email us as well

:28:30.:28:32.

Russia has described an attack by American warplanes on a convoy

:28:33.:28:40.

in Syria carrying pro-government militia forces

:28:41.:28:41.

The US-led coalition said the convoy was moving towards a base used

:28:42.:28:47.

by Western special forces near the border with Iraq.

:28:48.:28:53.

Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had

:28:54.:28:56.

up-to-date background checks to ensure they are

:28:57.:28:57.

Figures obtained by the BBC under a Freedom of Information

:28:58.:29:03.

request showed 90% of officers in one force - Northumbria Police -

:29:04.:29:06.

The Inspector of Constabulary is urging forces to address

:29:07.:29:10.

Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

:29:11.:29:20.

Thank you very much. More sport now. Hello again, these are the

:29:21.:29:28.

headlines, we now know the full line-up of the play-off finals

:29:29.:29:32.

coming up next week with some dramatic winners in the League 2

:29:33.:29:37.

semifinals last night. Two late winners. Black Bull, who were in the

:29:38.:29:41.

Premier League six years ago, had reached the final after a stoppage

:29:42.:29:45.

time goal at Luton which made it 6-5 on aggregate and they will play exit

:29:46.:29:51.

like -- Exeter after an equally nervy night at St James Park. That

:29:52.:29:55.

was heading to extra time but Jack Stacey got the winner to put them in

:29:56.:30:01.

the final at the end of the month. One match in the Premier League last

:30:02.:30:06.

night and Harry Kane scored four goals in Spurs' 6-1 win at

:30:07.:30:09.

Leicester, he is now two goals clear of Romelu Lukaku in the race for the

:30:10.:30:12.

Golden Boot. Celtic are still unbeaten in his goddess premiership

:30:13.:30:18.

with one game left, having beaten Partick Thistle 5-0. Geraint Thomas

:30:19.:30:21.

has had to pull out of the Giro d'Italia in cycling, he was involved

:30:22.:30:26.

in a nasty crash last weekend and was in second place overall but he

:30:27.:30:31.

injured his shoulder and his knee and has had to pull out of the race

:30:32.:30:35.

altogether. He said he is just surviving day to day rather than

:30:36.:30:40.

actually racing. That is all for now, I'm back on BBC News after 11

:30:41.:30:41.

o'clock. Now, the film we are about to show

:30:42.:31:09.

you, contains some distressing scenes of children self-harming

:31:10.:31:12.

and undergoing electro-convulsive therapy, so if you are watching

:31:13.:31:13.

with children you may not want Children in America are undergoing

:31:14.:31:16.

electric shock treatment Now known as electro-convulsive

:31:17.:31:19.

therapy, or ECT, the controversial treatment is being used on severely

:31:20.:31:22.

autistic children who self-harm. The practice cannot be done

:31:23.:31:25.

on children here in the UK We'll be discussing whether or not

:31:26.:31:28.

it's something the NHS should be considering,

:31:29.:31:31.

but first let's here from one parent in America

:31:32.:31:33.

who is using this technique. Just to warn that it contains images

:31:34.:31:35.

some of you may find upsetting. The family say they have

:31:36.:31:38.

seen a huge improvement. When she has behaviours,

:31:39.:31:41.

they are much shorter, She used to have bursts of

:31:42.:31:42.

behaviours where she was aggressive, Now it will be a matter of a few

:31:43.:31:46.

minutes for her to calm down. Each week day, Sophia

:31:47.:31:51.

has school lessons with My biggest concern was that she was

:31:52.:31:53.

going to lose quality of life, Now she is back to loving doing

:31:54.:31:57.

multiplication and division. When she started ECT, she was doing

:31:58.:32:01.

zero academic work at all. But later that afternoon,

:32:02.:32:06.

six days after her last ECT, Chad and her carer have to use

:32:07.:32:17.

approved restraint techniques Uptick in any type of aggression

:32:18.:32:25.

usually towards one or two days, a day-and-a-half prior

:32:26.:32:49.

to her usual scheduled ECT ECT for severely self-injuring

:32:50.:32:51.

autistic children like Sophia Without a long-term

:32:52.:32:59.

scientific study, it remains Right now, Sophia's

:33:00.:33:03.

parents have no regrets. What about the thought

:33:04.:33:12.

of ECT every single week It's overwhelming,

:33:13.:33:21.

if I think about it. But, what future did

:33:22.:33:28.

she have without it? You can see Chris Rogers' full film,

:33:29.:33:32.

"My Child, ECT and Me", on Our World on the BBC News Channel

:33:33.:33:36.

at 9.30pm on Sunday Let's talk now to Phill Wills,

:33:37.:33:39.

whose son, Josh, has severe self-harming autism,

:33:40.:33:47.

Carol Povey, the director of the Centre for Autism,

:33:48.:33:53.

and Professor George Kirov, a psychiatrist who administers ECT

:33:54.:33:59.

for to help with mental illness. Welcome to you all. Phill, tell us

:34:00.:34:10.

about your son and the kind of issues he and you have to cope with?

:34:11.:34:16.

Hello, sorry for holding my earpiece! Josh is 16 now, but he

:34:17.:34:27.

suffered from, as they suffered, it was horrendous, when he was 11 he

:34:28.:34:31.

was self-harming, self injurious behaviour so badly that he had to be

:34:32.:34:37.

hospitalised. He had several surgeries through the summer of

:34:38.:34:46.

2012. It was classed as life-threatening, so he had to be

:34:47.:34:51.

hospitalised. And then in October 2012, just after his 12th birthday,

:34:52.:34:55.

he was moved to an assessment unit in Birmingham the 12 weeks but he

:34:56.:34:59.

ended up staying there for three years. The care was good in

:35:00.:35:03.

Birmingham, the staff were lovely. It was always about the miles, but

:35:04.:35:10.

he needed specialist treatment that we couldn't give him at home. We

:35:11.:35:15.

fought a very public battle to get in the care back home in Cornwall

:35:16.:35:20.

which he now has, he is here in Cornwall with us, with an

:35:21.:35:24.

organisation called Spectrum. He has proved beyond doubt that the spoke

:35:25.:35:32.

personalised care is the best way to go, and it is slightly off topic but

:35:33.:35:37.

there are still so many children like Josh, and adults, that are

:35:38.:35:42.

being treated away from home in units, it is certainly not as good

:35:43.:35:48.

as Josh received, and that is another big topic at the moment that

:35:49.:35:53.

we need to look into. Phill, Canada's as, when you hear about

:35:54.:35:58.

parents in America, can you understand the despair that makes

:35:59.:36:01.

them feel they need to try anything, even treatments that some people may

:36:02.:36:05.

find controversial or even an acceptable? I can, I mean, I watched

:36:06.:36:19.

my son, we, Josh's family, watch our son deteriorate in front of our

:36:20.:36:22.

eyes, nothing we could do about it. He injured himself severely, he lost

:36:23.:36:27.

the front third of his tongue, he lost most of his bottom lip, I won't

:36:28.:36:33.

go into details, but there are things that I have seen that I will

:36:34.:36:38.

never ever be able to extinguish from my mind. So, how bad does it

:36:39.:36:47.

have to get? How bad does it have to get where you have to choose a

:36:48.:36:52.

treatment like this? It is not a cure, just to briefly run through, I

:36:53.:36:56.

posted it on my Facebook last night just to get a reaction from the

:36:57.:37:00.

circle of autism parents that I am involved with, barbaric, the

:37:01.:37:09.

long-term effect on memory, one parent would want to try it

:37:10.:37:12.

themselves first. What worried me as well, to be honest, is the general

:37:13.:37:20.

anaesthetic. I know the young man, I think he has had it 200 times, I

:37:21.:37:24.

watched Josh being put under general anaesthetic three times in one week,

:37:25.:37:32.

he had to be for surgery, but who knows what that can do? It is

:37:33.:37:36.

unimaginable what you have had to cope with, and those parents in

:37:37.:37:40.

America. Stay with us if you will, we will come back to you. Carol

:37:41.:37:44.

Proby from the Centre Borders, where is the evidence that this will help

:37:45.:37:49.

autistic children and, if there is evidence, should it be available

:37:50.:37:53.

here? There is no evidence at all that it helps, we have no evidence

:37:54.:37:58.

based at the moment, so we certainly would never advise parents to go

:37:59.:38:09.

down this line. But I do recognise, as Josh's dad is saying, the immense

:38:10.:38:15.

despair and distress that whole families go through when they are

:38:16.:38:22.

experiencing what is very extreme and complex self injurious behaviour

:38:23.:38:27.

from some children. But without that evidence base, we don't know what

:38:28.:38:32.

the long-term effects of a treatment like this are, certainly we would

:38:33.:38:35.

always say it should not be used in this country, and it is not.

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Professor Kirov, I understand you'd use ECT on adult in various

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conditions, can you explain how it works and how you would answer

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critics who say it is barbaric therapy? The way ECT works, it does

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look a dramatic treatment, you put electrodes on the head of the

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patient and pass an electric current, it is actually not very

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high voltage, it is a repetitive current but it introduces an

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epileptic fit. The patient is under general anaesthetic and when they

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wake up they don't remember anything of that, so the only distress for

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them at this point is the needle going in the arm. They do get

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confused for, on average, half an hour after the fit, but after an

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hour old two they are able to go home and they are more or less

:39:36.:39:38.

recovered. Some people get confused for a longer time. We know that what

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is therapeutic is the epileptic fit, and actually we want to elicit a

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strong epileptic fit. One criticism of ECT is that epilepsy is a bad

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thing. People who have epilepsy have a problem, but the fix that we

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elicit in the ECT Sweet are controlled, so first of all they get

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oxygen so during the epileptic fit a sufferer might have reduced oxygen

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which can lead to rain damage, they can also fall and injure themselves,

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these things don't happen in the controlled environment. Can I just

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ask how appropriate you think it would be for children with autism,

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as we see it being used in some cases in America? I haven't used it

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in children, I don't know how effective it would be. From what I

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have heard, and these are only stories like the ones we have heard,

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there was also a book published by an American, I'm not sure if this

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was brought up earlier in the interview, but they are anecdotal

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stories that it is effective. I think if it is going to be

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effective, it is not just for autism in general, it will be effective for

:41:11.:41:17.

certain very serious behaviours, so maybe it will be effective for

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severe self injurious behaviour or severe mood symptoms. From what I

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have seen over the years, ECT is most effective when the condition is

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very serious, so the more serious the depression you treat, the more

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likely it is that the patient will recover. Phill, I think you want to

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respond? Well, in this country, I think there is a big problem at the

:41:51.:41:54.

moment with the over medication of children with autism and learning

:41:55.:41:58.

disabilities. Josh was on an anti-psychotic drug for a couple of

:41:59.:42:03.

years before he severely self injured. What we need to do first is

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what we have done with Josh, to understand the person, to develop

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the right support, to get to the root of the cause. Early

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intervention is the key, it didn't happen with Josh and now that he is

:42:17.:42:22.

home, now that he is being looked after nearer to his home with

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family, which he asked for the three years, he has improved physically

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and emotionally. Too many families are going through this at the

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moment. Like I say, it worries me about the general anaesthetic side

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of it but you need to get to the root cause first, and is this a last

:42:43.:42:49.

resort treatment? I'm not sure if you are going to ask me the question

:42:50.:42:53.

about whether Josh would consider it but I don't think I could watch Josh

:42:54.:43:00.

go near the electrodes, lie on the bed and go through that again. Thank

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you very much. Very briefly, Carol, we heard about the importance of

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treating the individual, supporting a family, it seems there is a unique

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set of care packages that need to be put together for people? That is

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absolutely right, every person with autism is completely different and

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at the National Autistic Society we run schools and services and many of

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the young people in our services have very, very complex, very severe

:43:29.:43:33.

self injurious behaviour and with the right support, based around

:43:34.:43:38.

positive behaviours support, they can make enormous strides to develop

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really good lives over time. That will be music to the ears of parents

:43:43.:43:46.

who are struggling with children with these very complex issues.

:43:47.:43:52.

Carol Povey, director of the Centre For Autism, Phill wills, and

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Professor Kirov, we appreciate you joining us today.

:43:56.:44:01.

Some breaking news, British police said Julian Assange will be arrested

:44:02.:44:04.

if he leaves the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Scotland Yard said it was

:44:05.:44:10.

obliged to execute a warrant issued by Westminster it scored for the

:44:11.:44:13.

arrest of Mr Assange following his failure to surrender to the court in

:44:14.:44:18.

June 2012, should he leave the embassy, despite the dropping of a

:44:19.:44:23.

rape investigation by Sweden. There will be more on that on the BBC News

:44:24.:44:24.

Channel at 11am. We'll be looking at last

:44:25.:44:26.

night's Ivor Novello Awards A security software designed

:44:27.:44:35.

to prevent bank fraud has been fooled by a BBC reporter

:44:36.:44:37.

and his twin. Dan Simmons, a reporter

:44:38.:44:41.

for the BBC's technology programme Click, set up an HSBC account

:44:42.:44:44.

and signed up to the their so-called HSBC says the system

:44:45.:44:47.

is secure because each But the bank let Dan Simmons'

:44:48.:44:52.

non-identical twin, Joe, access the account via the telephone

:44:53.:45:00.

after he mimicked After the tone, please

:45:01.:45:02.

complete the phrase "My The balance of your

:45:03.:45:08.

account is ?1.21 credit. Thought it was going to be

:45:09.:45:28.

more than that, Dan! We are joined by Dan

:45:29.:45:36.

and Joe Simmons. Tell us what you did. We thought we

:45:37.:45:49.

would try to break into several biometric security systems, we had

:45:50.:45:56.

time on our hands! It was for Click, the technology show, and we wanted

:45:57.:46:00.

to do different banking applications to see if we could get in and this

:46:01.:46:06.

particular one, HSBC's voice ID decided that it would play ball and

:46:07.:46:11.

let us in. I set up my account and when you set up your account, if you

:46:12.:46:16.

set it up with HSBC, all you have to do is say, my voice is my password

:46:17.:46:22.

five times. When you have done that, the bank has a boy sprint. All that

:46:23.:46:28.

my brother needed to do was take my account number, might sort code --

:46:29.:46:39.

the bank has a voice print. Those things are relatively easy to get

:46:40.:46:43.

hold of, and my date of birth, you know that. I do, because I was born

:46:44.:46:49.

first! You sound different to my ears so how hard was it? My voice is

:46:50.:46:59.

slightly lower, and the film crew said, you don't even sound alike so

:47:00.:47:03.

we are not expecting it and I was full of apologies because I have

:47:04.:47:07.

only had to hours sleep! I thought we were not going to cut the mustard

:47:08.:47:11.

and it was only when the camera crew were out and we were filming on your

:47:12.:47:17.

phone that I relaxed and everything fell into place. You are starting to

:47:18.:47:22.

sound more like each other! And I raised the pitch, a little bit, and

:47:23.:47:28.

my voice is my password and then what you saw. It is reckoned to be a

:47:29.:47:32.

secure system so what have they said in response? HSBC have said the

:47:33.:47:39.

system is very secure. They have said that it helps to prevent fraud.

:47:40.:47:47.

On their posters they say, your voice is unique and that is what

:47:48.:47:53.

makes voice ID secure. Your voice may be unique, that is up for debate

:47:54.:48:00.

by the way, but even if it is unique, it doesn't make the system

:48:01.:48:06.

secure. I think we have proven that. The suggestion is you need more than

:48:07.:48:11.

one security measure, not just your voice. I have had people on Facebook

:48:12.:48:19.

today saying that HSBC are saying, use our voice recognition system and

:48:20.:48:22.

they are saying they are glad they haven't. Maybe the system needs

:48:23.:48:28.

updating. It needs some work. I spoke to some expert who said that

:48:29.:48:33.

you need two factor authentication on anything to do with something

:48:34.:48:38.

like banking. That is about something you know, something you

:48:39.:48:42.

have or something you are. More on Click? Yes, on the show this weekend

:48:43.:48:49.

across the BBC News Channel and on BBC World News. I'm glad you're not

:48:50.:48:56.

identical! Thank you for coming in. John McDonnell is speaking in

:48:57.:49:01.

central London at a live event as part of the Labour election campaign

:49:02.:49:06.

and we can listen in. 95% of tax grows, no increase in VAT or

:49:07.:49:11.

national insurance contributions. Labour plan that will invest in

:49:12.:49:15.

vital public services. That is the choice at this election. A clear

:49:16.:49:20.

threat to working people's living standards or a Labour Party that

:49:21.:49:23.

will stand up for the many, not the few. Let me just mention the issue

:49:24.:49:33.

with regard to older people. Yesterday the Conservative Party

:49:34.:49:37.

abandoned older people. There was a triple whammy. The tearing up of the

:49:38.:49:44.

triple lock, the attack on the winter fuel allowance and yes, the

:49:45.:49:50.

plans on care costs where people could lose control of their homes. I

:49:51.:49:57.

want to mention the issue around the winter fuel allowance. To be frank,

:49:58.:50:02.

I'm angry. I'm one of those people who campaigned against fuel poverty

:50:03.:50:06.

for a number of years and welcomed the introduction of the winter fuel

:50:07.:50:11.

allowance. There are 1 million pensioners and more living in fuel

:50:12.:50:17.

poverty, 30,000 excess deaths a year in winter in this country. It looks

:50:18.:50:23.

as though, as the resolution Foundation has said, the means test

:50:24.:50:29.

could hit those not all on pension credit, 10 million people. We also

:50:30.:50:33.

know that the third, because it is means tested on pension credit, a

:50:34.:50:38.

third don't claim. This is a savage attack on vulnerable pensioners,

:50:39.:50:43.

particularly those who are just about managing. It is disgraceful

:50:44.:50:49.

and we are calling upon the Conservative Party now to withdraw

:50:50.:50:55.

it today, to withdraw it today. We will not stand by and allow our

:50:56.:51:01.

pensioners' winter fuel allowance to be cut in this way and for so many

:51:02.:51:04.

of them to be back in a situation where they have to choose whether

:51:05.:51:10.

they heat or eat. Visit the fifth richest country in the world, we

:51:11.:51:13.

should be able to keep our pensioners safe and warm in winter.

:51:14.:51:21.

Thank you. We have a little time for questions from the media and I will

:51:22.:51:26.

take them in groups of three. We are going to leave it there. That was

:51:27.:51:32.

John McDonnell speaking in central London as part of the Labour

:51:33.:51:35.

election campaign and we will have more on that later on BBC News.

:51:36.:51:42.

Laura Pulp said she felt vindicated for winning album of the year at the

:51:43.:51:51.

Ivor Novello awards -- Laura Mvula. Grime artist Skepta picked up two

:51:52.:51:53.

awards. The awards were yesterday, late

:51:54.:52:04.

afternoon. They celebrate into the night! Who were the winners? The

:52:05.:52:11.

creme de la creme turned up because it is all about the songwriting, the

:52:12.:52:15.

art and creativity about writing songs and composing music. Coldplay

:52:16.:52:22.

beat themselves, they won best performed song for their track Him

:52:23.:52:27.

For The Weekend and were nominated twice in that category alongside

:52:28.:52:33.

Adele. Florence Welch won the International award and she thanked

:52:34.:52:38.

her dad for that and dedicated it to her, who helped her in her early

:52:39.:52:41.

career but Skepta was the big name of the night. Normally the awards go

:52:42.:52:50.

to what some media critics called light of this, with Ed Sheeran and

:52:51.:52:55.

Adele winning before and he was humbled and pleased to win the

:52:56.:52:59.

award. He talked about the fact that he was not somebody who had done

:53:00.:53:03.

this his whole life, he didn't grow up at the age of 14 writing songs or

:53:04.:53:08.

trying to do anything that would build a music career, he other

:53:09.:53:14.

stuff. He was Willie happy that the won an award for songwriter of the

:53:15.:53:16.

year -- really happy. It's surprising because, again,

:53:17.:53:19.

you never think, when you're rapping and you're just writing

:53:20.:53:21.

you never think your songs are like put on a pedestal

:53:22.:53:26.

of like Chris Martin, Now I understand, everything

:53:27.:53:28.

I've been writing, it's So I'm going to take a lot

:53:29.:53:32.

of pride in my next work. And he normally takes his parents

:53:33.:53:47.

with him? At the Mercury awards last year he had his mum on dad -- 's mum

:53:48.:53:54.

and dad on stage but this year the award was presented to him by his

:53:55.:53:58.

sister. He did say that he couldn't imagine what they were thinking

:53:59.:54:03.

about his career right now. Laura Mvula won album of the year and said

:54:04.:54:07.

she felt vindicated. She was actually dropped by her record label

:54:08.:54:11.

in March and she says she is busier than ever and so happy she has been

:54:12.:54:15.

recognised for her talent. Thank you very much.

:54:16.:54:20.

Let's return to the story about Julian Assange and the Director of

:54:21.:54:27.

Public Prosecutions in Sweden who has dropped the investigation into

:54:28.:54:31.

those rape allegations. Our report it in the Stockholm where a news

:54:32.:54:35.

conference on the decision to drop the case is about to happen. It has

:54:36.:54:39.

all happened in the last few minutes? We are expecting the press

:54:40.:54:42.

conference to take place at any moment but there has been a document

:54:43.:54:46.

released by the prosecution service here in Sweden saying the

:54:47.:54:51.

investigation into those sex crime allegations against Julian Assange

:54:52.:54:55.

is not go to continue. All we know so far is that this is the result of

:54:56.:55:00.

him being questioned recently at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London which

:55:01.:55:05.

all happened via translators. We know Swedish prosecutors have looked

:55:06.:55:07.

at the transcripts and they say they continue the investigation and have

:55:08.:55:14.

decided not to continue. They have responded to his lawyers requests to

:55:15.:55:18.

drop the European Arrest Warrant against him and that is now going to

:55:19.:55:22.

be dropped. We are expecting more information from prosecutors in the

:55:23.:55:27.

next few minutes but this is a big development in the case and

:55:28.:55:32.

essentially his future is now unclear. It may be that he can leave

:55:33.:55:36.

the embassy in London although police have said they still want to

:55:37.:55:40.

question him and of course he is still wanted for questioning in the

:55:41.:55:44.

United States over the leak of all those top secret cables through his

:55:45.:55:48.

WikiLeaks website. That was almost what he said, not so much being

:55:49.:55:52.

extradited to Sweden which would trouble him but what might happen to

:55:53.:55:57.

him afterwards. He has always strongly denied the allegations

:55:58.:56:01.

against him which involved molestation and rape. The

:56:02.:56:06.

molestation charges expired under Swedish law in 2015, the rape

:56:07.:56:11.

allegation still stood. He protested his innocence and had long fought

:56:12.:56:15.

for prosecutors to come and question him in London early in the process

:56:16.:56:19.

which has been going on for some seven years now but he did fear that

:56:20.:56:27.

if he landed on Swedish soil it would result in him being extradited

:56:28.:56:30.

to the US. We are watching closely to see what happens later. It has

:56:31.:56:34.

been a big story here with public and media interest but how much

:56:35.:56:37.

attention has there been in Sweden? A lot less, the press room had a lot

:56:38.:56:42.

of international journalists including Swedish ones but generally

:56:43.:56:48.

there has not been as much focus on the amount of taxpayers money that

:56:49.:56:52.

has been spent on this case. It was said in 2016 that ?12 million, and

:56:53.:56:58.

that number would have gone up, we asked police for an updated figure

:56:59.:57:02.

but could not get that before this press conference. It has been lower

:57:03.:57:08.

key in Sweden but it takes sex crimes and rape allegations

:57:09.:57:11.

seriously and the definitions of those crimes are broader than in

:57:12.:57:14.

other countries so that despite that is white prosecutors say they were

:57:15.:57:18.

taking this investigation seriously. -- that is why. It seems to have

:57:19.:57:26.

taken a long time to come to this decision and drop it? Absolutely and

:57:27.:57:28.

that is what the criticism has been from Julius -- von Julian Assange's

:57:29.:57:36.

lawyers. That link the convent is about to start in a few minutes. --

:57:37.:57:41.

at the press conference. Thank you very much. That was from Stockholm

:57:42.:57:49.

where they are waiting for the press conference to start. A reminder that

:57:50.:57:55.

he police in London have said that they would arrest Julian Assange if

:57:56.:58:01.

he left the Ecuadorian Embassy. He has been living there, seeking

:58:02.:58:08.

refuge from arrest since 2012. He is 45 now and has been living there for

:58:09.:58:13.

almost five years. This story is not over by any means.

:58:14.:58:14.

My wife keeps wondering, could she have done better than me?

:58:15.:58:34.

I mean, if she picked you purely romantically,

:58:35.:58:37.

instead of rigorously, you may not be the optimal.

:58:38.:58:39.

if she could date 100 people in her lifetime,

:58:40.:58:43.

she takes the first square root of those, so, 10,

:58:44.:58:47.

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