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Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Martine Croxall - | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
This morning, we've a special report on the growing number of children | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
in America undergoing electric shock treatment, where a current is passed | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
The controversial therapy is being used on severely autistic | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
Is it cruel, or does it improve their quality of life? | :00:24. | :00:33. | |
There is no doubt that ECT is the only reason that Jonah has any | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
quality of life. It is traumatic rain injury, very much like somebody | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
who has just had a severe concussion. | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
It's been the week of the manifesto, with the main parties | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
releasing their plans for how they would rule if | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
Has any of it made a difference in the way you're going to vote? | :00:50. | :00:58. | |
We are talking to a panel of undecided voters about what they | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
think and of course politicians from the major parties. | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
You may well have seen Three Girls, the powerful BBC drama | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
about the Rochdale child sex abuse ring. | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
It was a harrowing, hard watch and has been praised for how close | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
There is no such thing as a child prostitute. What there is is a child | :01:14. | :01:27. | |
who was being abused. By two? By men who pick on vulnerable girls. | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
Well, a little later we'll be talking to Sarah Rowbotham, | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
the sexual health worker who blew the lid on the scandal. | :01:35. | :01:45. | |
Lots coming up today, that special report on autistic children | :01:46. | :01:57. | |
undergoing shock therapy in America, is it cruel or a way of helping them | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
have a better life? Do get in touch on all the stories | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
at the standard network rate. Our top story today - | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
Brexit dominated the televised leaders' debate, which was held last | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
night despite the absence The ITV event saw little | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
disagreement between the Lib Dems, Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
but they repeatedly clashed Our political correspondent | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
Tom Symonds reports. Five party leaders took part, | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
four support Britain In Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn's | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
absence, they turned on the one leader who didn't, | :02:33. | :02:41. | |
Ukip's Paul Nuttall, attacking his support for a hard | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
Brexit and his tough Theresa May may not have had | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
the guts to be here tonight, but her spokesperson in the form | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
of Paul Nuttall certainly appears I know immigration is a difficult | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
topic for politicians, people have understandable concerns, | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
but when we talk about European migrants, we're talking | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
about people who work in our National Health Service, | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
we're talking about people who serve us in our restaurants, | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
we're talking about people The Ukip leader said Brexit | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
would offer Britain enormous trade opportunities, | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
and controlling immigration One of the reasons that wages have | :03:16. | :03:16. | |
stagnated in recent years, and have probably stagnated | :03:17. | :03:25. | |
since about 2004, is because of That's the answer to | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
everything, isn't it? We have an oversupply | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
of labour in this country, The leader of the Greens, | :03:36. | :03:37. | |
Caroline Lucas, said there was no question for which the answer | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
from Ukip wasn't immigration. Not only did Labour give the Tories | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
a blank cheque for a hard Brexit, they basically gave them a lift | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
to the bank and helped The Liberal Democrats are offering | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
a second vote on whether Britain Their leader, Tim Farron, | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
believes it's better the people She's putting together | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
a plan which appeases the Paul Nuttalls and Nigel Farages | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
but damages our children's future. That is why you should | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
have the final say on the Brexit The Plaid Cymru leader, Leanne Wood, | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
was concerned that restrictions on trade post-Brexit could harm | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
Wales' aerospace companies Do you think they're | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
going to stay there? No, of course they're not | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
going to stay there. That's 6500 well-paid jobs in Wales | :04:30. | :04:31. | |
that you are prepared to just Natalie, we have a huge | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
trade deficit... Twice, under fire, Mr Nuttall | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
appeared to confuse Audience members asked how | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
the leaders would invest in schools, hospitals, social care, | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
and the future of younger people. There was general agreement money | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
would need to be found, but when Ukip's Paul Nuttall | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
insisted there would be a financial benefit to Britain leaving the EU, | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
this was the reaction. Is that going to the | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
Health Service, or where? A reference to the infamous | :05:05. | :05:12. | |
battle bus and its promise The bus is going to come | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
driving past any minute! Brexit continues to dominate this | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
unexpected election race. Our political correspondent Eleanor | :05:23. | :05:36. | |
Garnier joins us now from Westminster. The debate last night, | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
you wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May thought they had missed | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
a trick by not appearing? It was certainly interesting to hear | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
the party leaders that did turn up discuss issues like Brexit, | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
migration and social care but of course there was lots of criticism | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
for Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn for not turning up. Interestingly | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
because four of the party leaders on that stage backed staying in the | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
European Union in the referendum last year, most of the attacks ended | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
up being directed at Ukip's leader Paul | :06:08. | :06:20. | |
Nuttall, but realistically none of those party leaders are going to end | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
up in Number Ten after the general election and that is why so much of | :06:24. | :06:26. | |
the focus this morning is on the Conservative Party manifesto and | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
changes to social care, that people's properties will now be | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
included in those means test for care at home. The Conservatives | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
saying you will not have to sell your home to papal social care and | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
the threshold will rise to ?100,000, nevertheless Labour saying those | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
changes are sick and sneaky, Tim Farron for the Liberal Democrats | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
calls it at dementia tax. Theresa May did say yesterday there were | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
some big and difficult decisions to be made, I think she and her team | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
will be well aware that some of these policies could risk ending up | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
alienating some of the traditional Tories. | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
This week we have seen the manifesto launches by several parties, at | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
last. What is going to happen today? We | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
will hear more from Labour today, they have a press conference in the | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
next hour or so and unsurprisingly they will keep up the attacks on the | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
Conservatives, not just on the social care issue but saying the | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
Tories did not put out a fully costed manifesto, there was just not | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
enough detail in there, they say. One big issue, immigration, we heard | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
from the Defence Secretary Michael Fallon last night, of course the | :07:30. | :07:50. | |
Conservatives recommitting to bring net migration, the difference | :07:51. | :07:51. | |
between those who arrive and those who leave, back down to the tens of | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
thousands, Michael Fallon admitting last night they have not done the | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
working out on that, they don't know when they will hit that target and | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
therefore don't know how much it will cost. John McDonnell Philae but | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
this morning saying it is a complete joke. It is true to say that unlike | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
Labour and the Liberal Democrats, the Tories, with their manifesto, | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
did not put out a single document with the costings in it. | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
Thank you very much, Eleanor Garnier in Westminster. | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC newsroom with the summer of the | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
day's news A man who drove a car along | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
in New York's Times Square, killing a teenager and injuring | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
22 people, said he had "heard voices", according | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
Richard Rojas, a US navy veteran who was arrested twice | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
previously for drunk driving, is now in custody. | :08:30. | :08:31. | |
New York mayor Bill de Blasio said there was "no indication" | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
American warplanes operating over Syria have attacked a convoy | :08:35. | :08:43. | |
carrying pro-government militia forces. | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
The US-led coalition said it was moving towards a base | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
used by Western special forces near the border with Iraq. | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
Last month, the Americans fired 59 cruise missiles at a Syrian | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
But Washington has insisted its latest military action does not | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
mean it is stepping up its role in the Syrian war. | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
President Trump is set to embark on his first foreign visit | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
He's going to Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Vatican. | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
he will be hoping to leave behind the controversy over allegations of | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
collusion between his campaign team and Russia. | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
Last night, he publicly denied asking the sacked FBI director, | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
James Comey, to back off an investigation into his | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
former National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn. | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
up-to-date background checks to ensure they are | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
BBC analysis of figures obtained under a Freedom | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
of Information request showed 90% of officers in one | :09:44. | :09:45. | |
The process checks finances, employment history, | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
as well as making a detailed search for any convictions. | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
In 2012, the Association of Chief Police Officers recommended | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
a thorough background vetting for all police officers | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
It's a process that takes several months and checks on all aspects | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
It's designed to ensure that nobody unsuitable is employed. | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
Peter Bunyan was a Devon and Cornwall community support | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
officer jailed for misconduct in the 2013 after using the police | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
An investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission found | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
he would have been rejected if he had undergone proper vetting. | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
The Devon and Cornwall Police Force still has more than 100 front-line | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
staff who haven't been checked according to the latest guidelines. | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
The BBC made a Freedom of Information request asking other | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
forces what was the situation in their area. | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
It found that a total of almost 14,000 police officers hadn't | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
In Northumbria, almost nine out of ten of its officers, | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
that's around 3000 people, hadn't been properly vetted. | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
The force said a retrospective programme of vetting | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary, Mike Cunningham, | :11:00. | :11:10. | |
said forces needed to address this matter urgently, while | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
the Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
officers, said it was disappointed to see such a huge backlog. | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
A BBC investigation has found flaws in the voice-recognition | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
security used by one of Britain's biggest banks. | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
HSBC's system analyses customers' voice patterns to allow them | :11:29. | :11:30. | |
The bank says every person's voice is unique and that | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
But the Click technology programme has shown that it is possible | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
for someone to log into an account that's not their own. | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
One of Britain's airports is moving it's control tower | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
around 100 miles away from the actual runway. | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
London City Airport is to become the first in Britain | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
to abandon its bird's-eye view of the runway and use | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
digital technology to monitor planes remotely. | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
Our transport correspondent Richard Westcott reports. | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Modern airports are dynamic, fast-flowing, hundreds of pieces | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
being moved around every minute, and all of those movements must be | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
tightly choreographed to keep it safe. | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
This is London City Airport, and that is just one of the 300 | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
or so take-offs and landings that happen here every day. | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
Until now, all of those flights have been coordinated by a group | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
of controllers who look out of these windows here. | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
But in the future those windows are going to be replaced by these | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
Controllers won't just see the airport, they will be | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
The thing is, this digital control tower is 120 miles | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
We've been shown this simulation, but by 2019 controllers will be | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
sitting here directing traffic for real, using pictures | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
fed from a new camera tower next to the runway. | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
Unlike the old tower, they can zoom in for a better view, | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
put radar data onto the screen to track aircraft. | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
Critically, for safety, the cameras can pick out rogue | :13:15. | :13:16. | |
drones near the airport and light the runway at night. | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
My initial reaction was sceptical because I'm used | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
They give the controller more information in terms | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
of what they can see, what they can hear, how | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
they can identify targets, how they can track targets. | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
The awareness that the controller gets, it's all about being heads up, | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
A tower controller's job is we get paid to look out of the window, | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
Now I know exactly what you're thinking. | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
The number one question I've been asked by everybody | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
I've told about this is, what if the TV screens go down, | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
The system has been independently stress tested | :13:51. | :13:59. | |
We have three cables that are in place between the airport | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
If one of those was to fail, there's a back-up. | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
And in the event that that fails, there's another cable. | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
And they're all routed, taking different routes | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
London City is convinced the new system will make | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
their operations more efficient and more safe. | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
The idea of a control tower miles from the airport may seem odd, | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :14:33. | :14:41. | |
This morning we are talking about political party manifestos and also | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
about the BBC drama Three Girls. Do get in touch with us | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged | :14:49. | :14:50. | |
at the standard network rate. Let's take a look at some of the | :14:51. | :15:00. | |
sports stories at the moment, Ollie Foster is with us this morning. Some | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
dramatic football matches last night? | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
Yes, we have had the play-off semifinals over the weekend, a | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
couple of days ago Huddersfield and wedding got into that ?200 million | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
play-off final in the championship to get into the Premier League, that | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
was dramatic in itself just by the fact there is so much riding on | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
those play-off semifinals, that is coming up in ten days, something | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
like that. A bit lower into League 1 and League 2, two incredible | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
play-off semifinals last night. Blackpool had been in a bit of a | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
death spent in the Premier League but they have just squeaked into the | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
play-offs by a single point in the two, it was 3-2 on the night against | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
Luton, 5-4 on aggregate, and look at that, Luton's goalie, Stuart Moore, | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
it was an own goal in the end, I think it was coming in, that was in | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
stoppage time. Luton finished third in the league, by far the strongest | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
team in the play-offs, but that is what the play-offs are all about, | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
Blackpool are into the Wembley final and they will be playing Exeter, who | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
played Carlisle last night. Very similar, this finished 6-5 on | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
aggregate. Carlisle had just equalised, the tie was heading for | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
extra time, that man celebrating there, Jack Stacey, he spent a bit | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
of time on loan at Carlisle last season, so they are heading to | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
Wembley to face Blackpool on May the 28th, nervous occasions, those | :16:37. | :16:37. | |
Wembley finals. I meant to ask you about a | :16:38. | :16:45. | |
meaningless match in the Premier League involving Leicester! | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
Recovered the Leicester story last year, with all those celebrations | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
but not much riding on this. Leicester tried to defend their | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
title but just hoped to finish in the top half of the table. Spurs, | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
some unfinished business, they missed out to Leicester to the title | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
last year and they went to the King power last night and absolutely | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
thrashed Leicester 6-1. Harry Kane is now top scorer in the league with | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
26, two clear of Romelu Lukaku heading into the final game also he | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
has 32 in all competitions. These were a couple of his goals. He | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
scored four on the night, his fourth hat-trick of the season, the first | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
time he has scored four in the game -- Simmons on got the other two. It | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
equals Spurs' biggest away win in the top division. This week has had | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
a couple of stinking games, Manchester United against | :17:53. | :17:54. | |
Southampton was terrible! It had a bit of an end of term feel. But 6-1, | :17:55. | :18:03. | |
Spurs really enjoy that. In the Scottish Premiership, that also | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
concludes at the weekend, Celtic are still unbeaten, they are up to 103 | :18:07. | :18:14. | |
points. They beat Partick Thistle 5-0 last night. They are 30 points | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
clear of Aberdeen. The last time they went through the whole season | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
unbeaten was 1898, that is what is riding on their last match of the | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
season. Meaningless but at the same time you always find something to | :18:30. | :18:30. | |
play for. 30 points is what they call a | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
convincing lead! Thank you. Children in America are undergoing | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
electric shock treatment Now known as Electro | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
Convulsive Therapy, or ECT, the controversial treatment | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
is being used on severely autistic The BBC has been given | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
access to film a child Our World's Chris Rogers has | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
been to meet parents who say the treatment | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
is helping their children, and And just to warn you that the film | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
shows children self-harming and undergoing Electro Convulsive | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
Therapy - images that some 16-year-old Jonah is about to have | :19:08. | :19:09. | |
electroconvulsive therapy, We're doing bilateral | :19:10. | :19:21. | |
electro placement, 20%. Our cameras have been invited | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
for the first time to film this Modern ECT is a very simple, | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
safe, quick procedure. Some call for a total ban | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
on ECT for children. Very much like somebody who has just | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
endured a severe concussion. But Jonah's mother, Amy, | :19:43. | :19:50. | |
is campaigning to allow more children like him | :19:51. | :19:52. | |
to have the procedure. There is no doubt that ECT | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
is the only reason that Jonah has Jonah is autistic, and before | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
the treatment he used to lash But some families feel | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
it's their only option. In 2009, US Army intelligence | :20:04. | :20:20. | |
officer Chad Calvaresi and his wife Casey travelled to Serbia, | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
to adopt five-year-old Sophia. Sophia had spent much of her short | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
life suffering neglect and abuse The first day we were with her, | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
she hit us all and bit us all and pulled my hair, | :20:37. | :20:49. | |
and punched our youngest son. Determined to give Sophia | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
a better life, they brought We had great hope that, you know, | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
we kept saying I can't wait to see At that point, I was convinced | :20:59. | :21:08. | |
that our love would heal her. But over the next few years, | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
Sophia became increasingly It just increased and increased | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
and increased up to the point that we weren't even sure | :21:18. | :21:31. | |
how to keep her safe. It's kind of the worst-case | :21:32. | :21:33. | |
scenario, we had to bring This is the last time, | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
where she had beat herself so bad her nose was busted | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
and was bleeding, her lips It's estimated one in ten autistic | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
children seriously self harm. Some theories linking to anxiety, | :21:46. | :21:53. | |
caused by an overload Others to frustration - | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
autistic children can Behavioural disturbance is very | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
common in children with autism. Often times it is readily amenable | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
to behavioural treatments, but sometimes those behaviours | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
cannot be easily curtailed, and can become quite | :22:16. | :22:17. | |
dangerous for the child. In early 2016, for her own safety, | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
Sophia had to leave home and go into a secure unit at the renowned | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
Kennedy Krieger Institute It often took three highly trained | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
care staff using special techniques to prevent Sophia injuring | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
herself and others. We have tried years of behavioural | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
therapy, years of medication, and we have proven time and again | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
that, for Sophia, these So, like every other mum dealing | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
with any problem with your kids, I went to Google and said, | :22:54. | :23:01. | |
right, Doctor Google. Casey came across author | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
and campaigner Amy Lutz, whose own violently autistic son | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
Jonah has had ECT for five years. Well, ECT has been transformative | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
for Jonah's life and for our life. We went from a period of time | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
for years where Jonah was raging, The only reason he is able to be | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
home, and with us in Atlantic City, the only reason he is able to do | :23:26. | :23:33. | |
that is because of ECT. Some human rights organisations | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
call for a total ban. Leading the fight against ECT | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
is Doctor Peter Breggan, who has long campaigned | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
against the psychiatric After seeing for myself the | :23:49. | :23:50. | |
desperation of Sophia's situation, I want to know why he thinks ECT | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
should never be an option. The electricity not only travels | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
through the front lobes - that's where the electrodes are, | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
that's the seat of intelligence It also goes through the temporal | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
lobes, just the tip of the temporal You are blasting with an electric | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
current the seat of memory. You are damaging the very | :24:20. | :24:27. | |
expression of the personality, the character, the individuality, | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
and even if you believe it, Jonah is heading into New York | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
for his latest ECT session. He is one of just a few hundred | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
self injuring children to have the treatment | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
since it was introduced With the long-term effects not | :24:47. | :24:47. | |
known, its use on children is blocked in some countries | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
and in a handful of US states. But Jonah's doctor is so convinced | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
it is effective and safe, for the first time, he is allowing | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
Amy and our cameras to witness it. I think almost all the problem | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
with ECT is misinformation, misunderstanding about what modern | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
ECT is, and continued perpetuation of the sensationalist | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
portrayals of the past. Jonah has had around | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
260 ECT sessions. The modern treatment is carried out | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
under general anaesthetic, with muscle relaxants | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
to prevent violent convulsions. We are doing bilateral electro | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
placement, 20% at 0.5. Doctors admit they don't know | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
exactly how ECT works. There is a lot of interesting | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
new neural imaging research showing that ECT actually reverses some | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
of the brain problems in the major We don't exactly know why it works | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
in people with autism and superimposed mood disorders, | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
but we think it probably re-regulates the circuits | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
in the brain that are deregulated Doctor Kelner administers just | :26:12. | :26:13. | |
an amp of electric current ECT specialists believe this in some | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
way resets the malfunctioning brain. Any thoughts, Amy, now that | :26:18. | :26:40. | |
you have seen it yourself? You know, there is a | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
little bit of movement. I have seen Jonah have a real | :26:43. | :26:51. | |
grand mal seizure before The ECT alleviates Jonah's | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
self injuring behaviour It's generally a very | :26:55. | :27:02. | |
simple and safe, easy, Still, medical experts are very | :27:03. | :27:11. | |
sceptical that ECT does anything in particular for children | :27:12. | :27:20. | |
like Jonah, and that I think those are uneducated | :27:21. | :27:22. | |
criticisms, and the way to counter them is to show people what modern | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
ECT is really like, and show them the results with | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
patients like Jonah. Some doctors say that they can | :27:36. | :27:36. | |
suffer memory loss? Well, we know a lot about long-term | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
effects, because there are patients with more typical indications | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
for ECT who have been getting maintenance ECT for many | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
years, some for decades. There really are no cumulative | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
adverse effects of the treatment, so it seems to be very safe even | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
to continue it for a long period. Worldwide, about 1 million | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
people have ECT each year. Most for severe, often | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
life-threatening depression. Though the severity and even | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
the definition is hotly disputed. Studies by ECT doctors suggest most | :28:07. | :28:20. | |
memory lapses are very short term. With memory function soon | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
returning to normal. Those against ECT have produced | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
surveys showing more than half of patients suffering | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
long-term memory loss. When the person wakes up, they have | :28:29. | :28:47. | |
all the signs, if they can speak, They may not know who they | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
are or where they are, A referee would stop a boxing match | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
if the boxer got hit and looked like somebody coming out of ECT, | :28:57. | :29:08. | |
because they come out concussed. In Baltimore, Sophia has been | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
in the Kennedy Krieger neurobehavioural unit | :29:12. | :29:13. | |
for seven months. One month later, Sofia's doctors | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
give the go-ahead for ECT. Probably after the third | :29:17. | :29:28. | |
or fourth treatment, we really started to see a marked | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
improvement in her mood. And an additional 30 to 40% | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
reduction just in the sheer And in September, having been | :29:37. | :29:38. | |
in the unit all year, Sophia is allowed home to live | :29:39. | :29:45. | |
with her family. The family say they have | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
seen a huge improvement. When she has behaviours, | :29:50. | :30:03. | |
they are much shorter, She used to have bursts of | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
behaviours where she was aggressive, Now it will be a matter of a few | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
minutes for her to calm down. Each week day, Sophia | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
has school lessons with My biggest concern was that she was | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
going to lose quality of life, Now she is back to loving doing | :30:19. | :30:27. | |
multiplication and division. When she started ECT, she was doing | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
zero academic work at all. But later that afternoon, | :30:33. | :30:40. | |
six days after her last ECT, Chad and her carer have to use | :30:41. | :30:52. | |
approved restraint techniques Uptick in any type of aggression | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
usually towards one or two days, a day-and-a-half prior | :31:00. | :31:22. | |
to her usual scheduled ECT. ECT for severely self-injuring | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
autistic children like Sophia And without a long-term | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
scientific study, it remains Right now, Sofia's | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
parents have no regrets. What about the thought | :31:41. | :31:50. | |
of ECT every single week But, what future did | :31:51. | :31:58. | |
she have without it? We have had reaction already do that | :31:59. | :32:20. | |
very powerful film. I tweet says, AST, sensory deficit kids being | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
given an electric shock treatment for self harm is alarming that well | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
covered. Natalie says, my son has ASD and I | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
think this is an evil treatment to give to anyone let alone a child who | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
cannot voice their own opinion. Luis days, I believe ECT is | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
acceptable for autistic children who exhibit severe self harm and only as | :32:42. | :32:43. | |
a last resort. Thank you for those comments. | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
You can see a longer version of Chris Rogers' film, | :32:51. | :33:02. | |
"My Child, ECT and Me", on Our World on the BBC | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
News Channel at 9.30pm on Sunday and on the BBC iPlayer. | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
And later in the programme we'll be discussing whether this therapy | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
should ever be used to treat autistic children here in the UK. | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
After a week of manifesto launches, we'll be having a look | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
at three of the issues you tell us are most important. | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
We'll also be speaking to politicians and later | :33:23. | :33:23. | |
to undecided voters to see if it's made things any clearer. | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
And after the chilling finale to last night's Three Girls, | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
which tells the true story of child sexual abuse in Rochdale | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
by a gang of Asian men, we speak to the woman who blew | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
Here's Annita with a summary of the day's news. | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
Brexit dominated the first televised leaders' election debate, | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
held last night without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
The ITV event saw little disagreement between the Lib Dems, | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, but they repeatedly clashed | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
And at 11.30am on the BBC News Channel, it's your opportunity | :33:55. | :34:02. | |
to put your questions about the election | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
and the NHS to our health editor, Hugh Pym. | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis, | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
or text your questions to 61124, and you can email us as well | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
A man who drove a car along pavements in New York's Times | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
Square, killing a teenager and injuring 22 people, said he had | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
"heard voices", according to law enforcement sources. | :34:26. | :34:27. | |
Richard Rojas, a US navy veteran who was arrested twice | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
previously for drunk driving, is now in custody. | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
New York mayor Bill de Blasio said there was "no indication" | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had | :34:37. | :34:45. | |
up-to-date background checks to ensure they are | :34:46. | :34:46. | |
Figures obtained by the BBC under a Freedom of Information | :34:47. | :34:57. | |
request showed 90% of officers in one force - Northumbria Police - | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
The Inspector of Constabulary is urging forces to address | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am. | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
Let's check out all of the sports News now with Ollie. | :35:11. | :35:21. | |
A very dramatic night in the League Two play-off semi-finals | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
Blackpool, who were in the Premier League six years ago, | :35:27. | :35:36. | |
have reached the final after a stoppage-time goal at Luton | :35:37. | :35:38. | |
They will play Exeter after an equally nervy | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
That was also balanced at 5-5 and heading to extra time | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
Harry Kane scored four goals last night in Tottenham's | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
6-1 win at Leicester - he is two goals clear | :35:53. | :35:55. | |
of Romelu Lukaku in the race for the golden boot. | :35:56. | :35:57. | |
Celtic are still unbeaten in the Scottish Premiership with one | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
game to play they beat Partick Thistle 5-0 last night. | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
British rider Geraint Thomas has pulled out of the Giro d'Italia - | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
he was involved in a nasty crash on Sunday, when he was in | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
second place overall, but he injured his shoulder | :36:09. | :36:10. | |
This week three of the main parties have published their manifestos. | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
These are their plans for how they'd run the country if they win | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
Well, all three parties have made bold claims to appeal to | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
Labour would scrap university tuition fees, the Lib Dems | :36:24. | :36:26. | |
want to give dads an extra month of paid paternity leave, | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
and the Conservatives say they'll cut net migration to below 100,000. | :36:30. | :36:31. | |
We've taken three areas - social care, Brexit | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
and welfare benefits - that our viewers have | :36:36. | :36:37. | |
told us are important, and broken down what each | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
We've also invited back some of the undecided voters that we've | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
had on the programme during the campaign to see if any | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
We'll speak to them in about half-an-hour's time. | :36:48. | :36:57. | |
We're going to be talking to Labour candidate for Brent North | :36:58. | :36:59. | |
Barry Gardiner, and Liberal Democrat candidate for Kingston | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
We naturally asked the Conservatives to take part in the discussion, | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
The Conservatives want to leave the single market. | :37:06. | :37:12. | |
They've made no commitments on freedom of movement. | :37:13. | :37:14. | |
Labour say they would rip up the existing plans, | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
and make staying in the single market a priority. | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
They'd also secure the rights of all EU citizens living in the UK. | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
The Lib Dems would offer a second EU referendum, | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
this time on the final Brexit deal, with an option to stay in the EU. | :37:33. | :37:41. | |
Good morning to you both, thank you for joining us. Last night's debate | :37:42. | :37:49. | |
was very much focused at times on Brexit, it has been billed as the | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
Brexit general election campaign. Our relevant, though, when you are | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
campaigning on the doorstep, is Brexit? Interesting, because | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
actually people tend not to bring up Brexit on the doorstep. The things | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
that are coming out on the doorstep of the worries they have over the | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
Conservatives' plans to erode the value of their houses in old age, | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
the way in which the schools are being starved of funding, and, in my | :38:16. | :38:23. | |
area, sometimes it is up to ?1000 per pupil bossed by schools. That is | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
huge and parents are really worried about this, and of course the other | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
things coming up are about the housing crisis, and we need more | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
homes for our young people to be able to even just rent at an | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
affordable cost, so building homes is really, really critical. What | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
about for the Liberal Democrats, how much resonance does Brexit have for | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
you, given that if the Liberal Democrats -- if the Conservatives | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
get the majority they are hoping for, they will be able to do | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
whatever they like with Brexit? In our parliament, if you have a good | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
opposition, people with experience, we can challenge the negotiations of | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
the Tories, expose them, so their threat to pull Britain out of the | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
single market is going to be shocking to people's jobs, people | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
are going to lose jobs hand over fist if they pull us out of the | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
single market and I think if we have Liberal Democrats in parliament to | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
expose that, they will have to change their negotiating position. | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
But this was warned before, the Remain camp said it is going to be | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
disastrous for the economy, it hasn't been so far... We haven't | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
left! People might have to see it to believe it? Possibly but people do | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
like argument and the fact that the Conservatives won't turn up today, | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
didn't turn up to the leaders debate, I have to tell you and your | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
viewers that they keep refusing to turn up to debate, that is the | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
shocking part of the selection, the fact the Tories won't even debate, | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
and the reason they don't want to debate is this, so many of their | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
policies are damaging ordinarily people, taking money from the | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
schools, the health service, from the most vulnerable and poorest | :40:05. | :40:11. | |
people in our society. I'm not surprised they don't want to turn up | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
because it is a shocking policy they have got. And yet they seem to be | :40:15. | :40:16. | |
appealing beyond their normal heartland... It is not the | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
Conservative Party but the Tabriz may party. What they are trying to | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
do is keep the British people that they are just voting for her, like a | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
presidential election. They are not, they are voting for the Conservative | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
Party, right-wing politicians with a right-wing agenda that will hurt | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
most people in our society. The most important thing is to talk about the | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
issue here and the issue about Brexit is this, where we disagree | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
and the Labour Party from the Liberal Democrat if we accept the | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
result of the referendum, we say we are going to leave the European | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
Union but the way in which we do that has to be resolved. The way we | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
disagree with the Conservative Party is simply this, they want to put | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
their immigration policy at the heart of the Brexit negotiations and | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
they will sacrifice our economy, the jobs and the wealth creation that we | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
need, for the immigration policy, and that is why we are saying no, we | :41:12. | :41:20. | |
start with the economy as the main thing, it is people's jobs that are | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
most important and therefore we need to negotiate, we won't be members of | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
the internal market but we need access, we need all the benefits | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
that came from friction free access into those markets both through the | :41:31. | :41:33. | |
single market and the customs union is that we will no longer have. | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
Brexit means we leave but then we have to negotiate the terms not | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
dictated by immigration policy but negotiated by jobs and the economy. | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
Why do you not emphasise what you have in common over Brexit, which | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
may be an acceptance that we leave but why not club together and say, | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
let's give people a second vote on how we leave, the terms under which | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
we leave? There is a problem, the Labour Party voted for Article 50 | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
and wanted it to go ahead in the way it is going... Wasn't that just | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
recognising that we have voted to leave in the referendum? No, it | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
wasn't, because it is how you leave, we were not told how you leave and | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
the Liberal Democrats wanted to make sure that the negotiating agreement | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
had to protect the rights of EU citizens. Barry, I have to say, let | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
me finish, you were incorrect about the Liberal Democrat position and | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
people need to know what it is. We accept the result of the referendum, | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
Liberal Democrats would negotiate a Brexit deal and then at the end of | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
those negotiations, which is probably going to take three or four | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
years, possibly longer, at the end of those negotiations, when we | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
eventually know what Brexit means, because we still don't know, we are | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
saying that should be put to the people, it should be decided by the | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
people. This thing started with the people, it should end with the | :42:58. | :43:00. | |
people and not forced on by people like Barry or Theresa May. I want to | :43:01. | :43:07. | |
move on... I'm happy to but can I make one quick point? That is that | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
when they vote, the point is they should not be able to counter the | :43:12. | :43:18. | |
referendum result, and that is... If the Brexit deal is a bad deal... You | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
not to talk over you, Ed. The reason for that is because you and you and | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
I and every other politician during that referendum debate, we went out | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
there and we said, this is important, this is really important | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
because if you vote in the referendum you are deciding what | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
happens to this country... You are interrupting me again. We could | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
decide whether we left or not. We could keep talking about this, or we | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
could examine another issue! All parties have pledged to put | :43:48. | :43:49. | |
billions more into the NHS. The Conservatives say they'll | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
provide free social care but only once people's assets fall below | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
?100,000, and that includes Labour wants to create | :43:58. | :43:59. | |
a National Care Service, and put an extra ?8 billion | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
into social care over The Liberal Democrats plan to add 1p | :44:05. | :44:06. | |
more onto each rate on income tax and spend some of that money | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
on social care. How can it be, then, Ed Davey, that | :44:13. | :44:24. | |
the Conservatives in the last two years, before that Inca religion | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
with your party, have been in charge of the NHS, in charge of social | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
care, people say that they want better social care, they want a fit | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
for purpose NHS, and yet many of them are saying they still trust the | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
Conservatives to do the right thing by it? People waking up today will | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
hear what the Tories announced yesterday in the manifesto, and what | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
they announced in the manifesto is people who worked hard all their | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
lives, bought a house, paid off the mortgage, if they are unlucky in the | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
lottery of life to need a lot of care through maybe not dementia in | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
later life, they will lose all those savings down to the last ?100,000, | :45:04. | :45:17. | |
so basically what the Conservatives have done yesterday is reduce the | :45:18. | :45:19. | |
inheritance tax threshold, which is about ?300,000, and put it down to | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
?100,000, taxing people at 100%, so if you have got home, got a pension | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
and you are old, I would be worried because the Conservatives are coming | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
after you. Your family will have the trauma of having looked after you | :45:29. | :45:30. | |
with your long-term dementia care needs and then they would get any | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
inheritance. This is a tax on saving, a tax on death, a tax on | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
inheritance and when people hear what the Tories proposed yesterday I | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
think they will think twice about voting Tory. But they will be | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
allowed to keep why shouldn't people have to pay for their own social | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
care? Not everybody will need it. The point is this, there was an | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
agreement to cap the cost of social care, it was indeed do not purport | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
and the Government committed itself to its seven years ago. What | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
happened there is they said there would be a feeling of ?76,000, | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
nobody would have to pay more than that, it would rise with | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
inflation... They would get a new mandate this way. That is what they | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
are seeking, they are transferring the burden of your social care from | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
the insurance policy that is our society, that we pay national | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
insurance contributions in order to get, they are transferring the | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
burden of your social care from the society to you, and they are saying | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
that if you have a home, any homeowner receiving care in their | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
own home now, instead of not having to pay if they have less than a | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
certain threshold in cash, will pay the full cost of their care right | :46:43. | :46:55. | |
the way, if that house is worth half ?1 million, in London that is not a | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
very big house, they will pay the full cost of their house down to | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
that last ?100,000. Older people are worried, sitting there thinking, all | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
that I have built up in my life is being eroded, I wanted to pass | :47:05. | :47:06. | |
something onto my children and the only way I can stop this process is | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
by dying. That is appalling! It is absolutely horrific! Old people will | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
be afraid of living too long so that they cannot pass something onto | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
their children, that is what this Conservative Government is doing. | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
I'm going to talk about a related subject which is welfare and | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
benefits. The Conservatives would scrap | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
the current protections on pensions payments and start means testing | :47:33. | :47:34. | |
for winter fuel payments, taking Labour say they would abolish | :47:35. | :47:36. | |
bedroom tax and reverse They'd also freeze | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
the pension age at 66. The Lib Dems would reverse | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
the cuts to universal credit and the cuts to housing benefit | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
for 18-21 year olds. We need to be quite quick on this | :47:48. | :47:59. | |
I'm afraid. Means testing a universal benefit, surely that make | :48:00. | :48:07. | |
some sense, to try to rebalance with the different generations are | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
getting. The benefit cuts the Tories are putting in which you have not | :48:14. | :48:15. | |
covered are probably even more shocking. If you lose your partner, | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
your husband or wife, and you are widowed, they used to be a | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
bereavement benefit to help you and your children deal with that. They | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
are slashing that back in the most extraordinary way. I feel passionate | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
about this, my mother was widowed at 36 with three boys under ten and she | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
died when I was 15 and that bereavement benefit was essential | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
for my family and my mother to look after those children and the | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
Conservatives are taking valuable resources away from people who lose | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
their husband or wife. It is one of the most disgusting things I've ever | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
seen in British politics and the Tory MPs and Theresa May who | :48:55. | :48:56. | |
proposed this should hang their heads in shame. I agree with that | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
and that is why the Labour manifesto said we would put back that | :49:03. | :49:09. | |
bereavement support and reversed that can't. The question was about | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
Winter Fuel Payment, and what is behind that, is if wealthy people | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
should get those payments as well, why it should wealthy people who | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
maybe don't need that allowance get it? The answer is simply this, it is | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
a universal benefit. The importance of universal benefit is quite simply | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
that nobody feels that they are subsidising other people getting | :49:34. | :49:36. | |
things when they are not getting them themselves. We want people to | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
understand that actually we are all part of society and that people who | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
are paying their taxes are getting the same benefit. It is right, not a | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
charity. And if it is means tested, there is the cost of and also, old | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
people say if I have to fill out a form to do this, I don't feel | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
comfortable actually telling people what might income is and what I'm | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
doing. They don't claim it. And that means they would rather go without | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
lunch or a huddle under a blanket than actually feel they are taking | :50:12. | :50:19. | |
what they see as charity. It's not charity, it is your right to be warm | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
in old age and we as a society have to accept that. We have scratched | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
the surface and had not had enough time but thank you very much for | :50:30. | :50:30. | |
answering those questions. You can see a full list of advocates | :50:31. | :50:40. | |
for Brent North and Kingston and Surbiton on our website. -- of | :50:41. | :50:41. | |
candidates. And we're going to be in Dunstable | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
in Bedfordshire on Monday 29th May If you've made up your mind already | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
who you're going to vote for, still deciding or don't think you'll | :50:48. | :50:56. | |
bother, and would like the chance to share your views and grill senior | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
politicians on their policies, There are more details | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
on our Facebook and Twitter pages. The last episode of Three | :51:03. | :51:18. | |
Girls aired last night. It's been watched by up | :51:19. | :51:21. | |
to 5 million of you. It tells the story of the young | :51:22. | :51:23. | |
girls who were groomed In 2012, nine men were jailed | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
for their part in it. The men - mostly British Pakistanis | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
- started by giving the girls free alcohol, cigarettes and taxi rides, | :51:34. | :51:36. | |
but then went on to demand sex Here's a clip from Three Girls | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
where the sexual health worker Sara Rowbotham tries to explain | :51:40. | :51:46. | |
to the parents of the one of Holly is categorically | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
not a prostitute. Plus there's no such thing as | :51:50. | :52:11. | |
a child prostitute, what there is... Well, we can speak now | :52:12. | :52:19. | |
to the real life woman behind Maxine Peake's character, | :52:20. | :52:43. | |
Sara Rowbotham, the sexual health nurse who blew the whistle | :52:44. | :52:45. | |
on the sex abuse scandal. We're also joined by Alison Worsley, | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
deputy director of policy and public affairs at the children's charity | :52:49. | :52:50. | |
Barnardo's. Good morning, welcome to both of you | :52:51. | :52:59. | |
and thank you for joining us. How accurate portrayal was this drama? | :53:00. | :53:07. | |
It was really accurate, absolutely the truth. What the writer was able | :53:08. | :53:16. | |
to do was combine all of our truths, the truth of everybody involved in | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
the drama, the parents, the young people, Maxine played me but I was a | :53:20. | :53:28. | |
real combination of the team I managed at the time. Everything I | :53:29. | :53:36. | |
said, or rather the character said, was a true reflection and a true | :53:37. | :53:43. | |
scenario. Those events actually happened and it not to me, to one of | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
my team. When we saw that enormous chart of the names of the men who | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
were abusing those girls, how realistic was that, but you are | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
trying to keep all of those notes? Yes, we did do that. It was actually | :54:01. | :54:10. | |
really naive, it wasn't anything, it wasn't kind of skilled, we just | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
thought that was the best way of trying to collate the information. | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
Alison, how important a drama do you think this will prove to be, an | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
important thing for all of us to watch the young people and parents? | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
It is absolutely vital, it was confronting and harrowing but | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
everything that Sara has said reflects from what we know from our | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
work across the country. This is happening to boys as well as girls | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
throughout the country, we worked with 5000 last year. To raise | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
awareness and for parents to be able to have a conversation with their | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
children, it is pivotal. You made so many referrals to the police and yet | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
got knocked back. What kept you going? The girls. The girls. We had | :54:59. | :55:07. | |
to make them safe, we had to make it stop and make it safe. We were not | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
best placed to be able to do that, there were other people who were | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
best placed so of course I had to keep telling people. These cases are | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
often described as historical sex abuse cases. How accurate and | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
helpful is the word historical for you? It's really not helpful and | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
that is one of my continued bugbears. Using the word historical, | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
it provided a level of reassurance to lots of people but this is | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
something that probably happened in the distant past but for us who are | :55:43. | :55:49. | |
involved, or for victims of abuse, there is no history, it is one long | :55:50. | :55:55. | |
continue. It is not something that happened in the distant past that | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
you've moved on from easily, it is something that stays with you and it | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
is just a continuum, people are affected by daily. Using the word | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
historical abuse is really diminishing and dismissive of the | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
people who went through it. What struck me was the tenacity with you | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
and your team and the bravery of those girls showed when nobody else | :56:22. | :56:24. | |
was believing them but they kept trying to speak up. What happened to | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
you after this case had ended? At the end of the drummer we saw you | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
giving information and evidence to a select committee -- the end of the | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
drama. I went to London to the Houses of Parliament and I was able | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
to give evidence to the home abed select committee. -- at the home | :56:46. | :56:52. | |
affairs select committee. It was a traumatic time for me personally and | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
I was absent from work because I was quite poorly. The organisation I | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
worked for, the powers that be in other organisations did not feel | :57:03. | :57:09. | |
that they wanted my contribution in any future developments. I very | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
quickly realised that doors were being closed and I was not invited | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
to make any real contribution at all to the development of future | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
services or to the whole agenda around what should be taking place | :57:24. | :57:31. | |
around child sexual exploitation. Nobody really felt as though I could | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
make a valuable contribution. A lot of people will find that very | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
surprising and today there has been a lot of support for you on social | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
media saying you have been treated appallingly. How have attitudes | :57:43. | :57:50. | |
changed within the police? How far policy is changed, how more likely | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
is it for young girls in this predicament to be believed? | :57:55. | :58:01. | |
Hopefully, that is the core of this, hopefully young people will be | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
believed now, that is what we want to see. If you think back to when we | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
first raised this in 1998, child prostitution was still a term on our | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
statute books, it did not get removed until 2015. If you think | :58:15. | :58:17. | |
about the context that the police were working in then, the language | :58:18. | :58:24. | |
that was used, those ingrained attitudes, I would like to think | :58:25. | :58:26. | |
things have changed but this is still one of the biggest child | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
protection issues of our time and we must keep raising awareness, would | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
the programme is doing, and educating people and knowledge like | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
Sara as God is vital so we can train people to spot the side of abuse and | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
make sure young people are believed -- that Sara has got. And you have a | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
lot of thought about how communities can be made less susceptible but I | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
want to end on a slightly lighter note. What was it like having Maxine | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
Peake, an extraordinary actress, playing your role and bringing | :59:00. | :59:02. | |
together all of those efforts that your team made to keep those girls | :59:03. | :59:08. | |
safe? It's a bit weird! When Maxine Peake came to my house, I had to | :59:09. | :59:15. | |
stop myself from simply describing her as BAFTA nominated Maxine Peake, | :59:16. | :59:21. | |
would you like a biscuit! BAFTA nominated Maxine Peake! It was a bit | :59:22. | :59:31. | |
awesome, that you are able to say, a film made about you and it was | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
Maxine Peake, the nation's sweetheart, the best actor in the | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
country, who represented me. That's amazing really. I'm not surprised it | :59:40. | :59:46. | |
has made you emotional. Thank you so much for talking to us today and | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
thank you for your time as well. Let's catch up with the latest | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
weather with Simon. Yesterday turned out to be a very | :59:55. | :00:03. | |
wet day across central and eastern parts of the UK. The rain continued | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
overnight but this morning we have had a lovely start with some blue | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
skies in Port Talbot. Through the day there will continue to be | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
sunshine but also some pretty heavy showers developing. They are already | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
in south-west England and parts of Wales and will continue to develop | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
and get heavier. There will be some thunderstorms in the south-west | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
area. Further north and east, the rain continues to move in that | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
direction and a chilly day on the East Coast of England but sunshine | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
elsewhere and it might feel quite pleasant between the showers. | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
Tonight the rain continues moving northwards into Scotland but | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
elsewhere clear skies into Saturday morning so it could turn chilly in | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
the countryside with temperatures around eight to 10 Celsius. On | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
Saturday we continue with the theme of sunny spells and showers but like | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
today, some showers could be heavy in parts of Wales and southern | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
England and wide showers in northern England, Scotland and Northern | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
Ireland and top temperatures tomorrow 13 to 18 degrees. | :01:06. | :01:19. | |
Our special report on the growing number of children in America | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
The controversial therapy is being used to help children | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
who are severely autistic and self-harm. | :01:29. | :01:29. | |
Is the treatment cruel and unnecessary? | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
My biggest concern was that she was going to lose quality of life, | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
Now she's back to loving doing multiplication and division. | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
When she started ECT, she was doing zero academic work at all. | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
We'll be talking to a father whose son has severe self-harming autism | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
and a doctor who performs the treatment to help | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
Security software designed to prevent bank fraud | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
has been fooled by a BBC reporter and his twin. | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
But a simple experiment with my nonidentical twin | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
My financial details and the ability to transfer | :02:13. | :02:23. | |
BBC Click reporter Dan Simmons and his non-identical twin Joe | :02:24. | :02:31. | |
will be here to tell us how they duped the bank's | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
Grime star Skepta wins two awards at last night's Ivor Novellos, | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
You never think, when you are wrapping and writing, you never | :02:41. | :02:52. | |
think your song is on the pedestal of like Chris Martin, you know what | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
I'm saying? I don't think that. Everything I'm writing... It's very | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
important, isn't it? And we'll be talking live | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
to the winner of best Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
with a summary of today's news. Brexit dominated the first televised | :03:07. | :03:15. | |
leaders' election debate, held last night without Theresa May | :03:16. | :03:23. | |
and Jeremy Corbyn. The ITV event saw little | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
disagreement between the Lib Dems, Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
but they repeatedly clashed And at 11.30am on the BBC | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
News Channel, it's your opportunity to put your questions | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
about the election and the NHS to our health editor, | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
Hugh Pym. You can get in touch via Twitter | :03:41. | :03:48. | |
using the hashtag #BBCAskThis, or text your questions to 61124, | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
and you can email us as well The former entertainer Rolf Harris | :03:51. | :04:05. | |
has been released on bail from Stafford prison. He was convicted in | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
2014. He is on trial at Southwark Crown Court accused of indecently | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
assaulting three teenagers between 1981 and 1983. He denies the charges | :04:17. | :04:17. | |
against him. A man who drove a car along | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
pavements in New York's Times Square, killing a teenager | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
and injuring 22 people, said he had "heard voices", according | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
to security sources. Richard Rojas, a US navy | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
veteran who was arrested previously for drink-driving, | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
is now in custody. New York mayor Bill de Blasio said | :04:37. | :04:37. | |
there was "no indication" American warplanes operating over | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
Syria have attacked a convoy carrying pro-government militia | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
forces. The US-led coalition said | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
it was moving towards a base used by Western special forces | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
near the border with Iraq. Russia described the action | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
as "absolutely unacceptable". A 24-year-old man will appear before | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
Manchester magistrates today charged with six counts of raping | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
a child under 13. Osman Ali is accused of raping | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
a child in Rochdale, following an investigation | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
by the multi-agency Rochdale Sunrise That's a summary of the latest BBC | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
News - more at 10.30am. Do get in touch with us | :05:11. | :05:23. | |
throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
at the standard network rate. Time for more sports news now, | :05:27. | :05:37. | |
cannot get enough of it! The line-up for the three play-off | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
finals at Wembley is now complete, two very dramatic semifinals in | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
League 2 last night. Blackpool were in the Premier League six years ago | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
and their tie against Luton was heading for extra time until this | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
happened in injury time. It went down as an own goal from the | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
Hatters' goalie. A bit unlucky. Blackpool heading to Wembley after | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
winning 6-5 on aggregate. That was the same score over two | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
legs between Exeter and Carlisle. The Cumbrians had levelled it but | :06:08. | :06:16. | |
that man, Jack Stacey, got the Exeter winner, he spent time at | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
Carlisle on loan last season as well. They will face Blackpool at | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
Wembley on the 20th of May for a place in League 1. | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
Harry Kane looks set to win the Premier League's Golden Boot. He | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
scored 25 last season, up to 26 this one after scoring four against | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
Leicester last night. They won 6-1. He is two goals clear Romalu Lukaku | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
with just one game to play. It is his fourth hat-trick of the season, | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
the first time he has scored four in the league, though. It equals the | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
club's biggest away win in the top division in the club's history. | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
Obviously delighted to get four goals for the first time in my | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
professional career doing that, so a good moment to do it as well because | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
there has been a bit of build-up in the week with the Golden Boot race, | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
so I thought, get one or two tonight to put the pressure on so to get | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
four is an amazing feeling. Celtic are still unbeaten in the | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
Scottish Premiership with one game to play, 1898 was the last time they | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
went through our whole league season without defeat. They | :07:25. | :07:42. | |
only matches back then. Last night they won 5-0 at Partick | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
Thistle. Their 33rd win in 37, it thought them equal their record | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
points tally for a season, 103, 30 points clear of second placed | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
Aberdeen. They have hearts on the last day of the season. Cycling | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
News, British rider Geraint Thomas has pulled out of the Giro d'Italia. | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
He was involved in a nasty crash last weekend, a pilot in the peloton | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
when they collided with a stationary police motorbike. He had been second | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
overall going into that stage, picked up a couple of nasty Nick | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
goals and knocks there on his shoulder but it is his knee that has | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
been giving him trouble in the last couple of stages. He says carrying | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
God would be trying to survive each day rather than racing. -- carrying | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
on. More in the next up an hour. Thank | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
you, some breaking news now regarding Julian Assange, the | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
founder of WikiLeaks. We are hearing that Sweden's Director of Public | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
Prosecutions has decided to discontinue the investigation | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
against Julian Assange. You may recall that Julian Assange has been | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
living for some years in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, since | :08:43. | :08:50. | |
2012, taking refuge there to try to avoid extradition to Sweden over the | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
allegation of rape, which he denies. The public prosecutor in Sweden | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
saying that she will discontinue the investigation into Julian Assange, | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
the founder of WikiLeaks. Whether or not this will make him feel that he | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
can leave the Ecuadorian Embassy any time soon, we will have to find out. | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
So, just how clear are you about who to vote | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
given that the manifestos of all the main parties | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
We have four people joining us who are undecided on who to vote | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
for, and who have all voted differently in the past. | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
We're going to look at some of the key issues - | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
Brexit, the NHS and welfare - and what could help these voters | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
decide on which policies, and party, to back. | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
The Conservatives want to leave the single market. | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
They've made no commitments on freedom of movement. | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
Labour say they would rip up the existing plans, | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
and make staying in the single market a priority. | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
They'd also secure the rights of all EU citizens living in the UK. | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
The Lib Dems would offer a second EU referendum, | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
this time on the final Brexit deal, with an option to stay in the EU. | :10:02. | :10:15. | |
Joining us now, Sam Jennings, Jordan White, Rickael | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
Let's look at the Brexit issue. Jordan, you were concerned because | :10:18. | :10:29. | |
of the potential for there to be the new hard border between Northern | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
Ireland and Ireland. How have the manifesto launches that we have seen | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
this week helped you decide? They haven't helped me decide, they have | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
made me more confident that I want to spoil my ballot. The debate so | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
far is the same rhetoric of what can Brexit secure for Middle England, it | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
has strengthened Nicola Sturgeon's hand in Scotland and have given some | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
life to Plaid Cymru. How far does Brexit have to go, how hard does it | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
have to be before the Northern Ireland Assembly is thought about? | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
There is no assembly in Northern Ireland, no Government, just | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
political talks which have collapsed again because of Theresa May's cool | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
for a general election. Lanre, you voted Remain in the referendum. What | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
about alternative ideas, for example the Liberal Democrats putting | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
forward that they would want to have a second referendum when we know the | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
terms of the deal, is that going to sway you? I think ultimately with | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
the referendum there was a lot of misinformation, there were a lot of | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
people, a lot of rhetoric and who knew what was true and what was | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
going to be the case? We are still in a place of instability, | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
uncertainty, let's fall off a cliff, no deal is a good deal, I don't buy | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
it, it is a dangerous place to be in. Maybe if it is a case of when we | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
know what we are going to be getting into, let's have a vote again, that | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
is maybe a good idea, but I think they're definitely has to be | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
something other than we are just going to go through this and | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
whatever happens happens. Sam, how important would | :12:04. | :12:16. | |
that be for you, or do you feel like a lot of people, we have decided to | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
leave, get on with it? I do think we should get on with it but I like the | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
manifesto that Jeremy Corbyn is saying about protecting the rights | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
of people already here in the EU, so if somebody has established a life | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
peer, they should stay. I don't want to stop immigration, but there does | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
need to be controlled. You were thinking potentially voting | :12:33. | :12:33. | |
Conservative, you have voted Conservative before, are you clear | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
now? No, because I think a lot of the Labour policies are good | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
policies, not sure if they could actually implement them. Some of the | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
Tory policies are OK but I haven't read the full manifesto and nothing | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
has lit me up to jump straight in and vote for them. Rickael, you have | :12:52. | :12:59. | |
voted for Labour in the past, how much clearer Ayew that they could | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
get your vote this time? More, for me it is pretty consistent the sort | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
of thing the Labour tented come up with, you know what you are going to | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
get. My reasons for voting for them in the past was not so much their | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
policies but my local MP, who is very well respected in Hammersmith | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
and Fulham, that has been my reason for voting for Labour in the past. | :13:24. | :13:30. | |
Looking at the two manifestos, I think that, as we have touched on, a | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
lot of these things, there is not a lot of substance behind it, lots of | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
things have been said that we cannot guarantee will happen, especially in | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
such uncertain times. If it is in the manifesto, they are meant to | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
implement it, aren't they? They are meant to! Let's look at social care, | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
some big announcements this week. There was a suggestion that it would | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
be capped at 76,000 per person, I know social care and welfare is a | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
bit of a concern to you, particularly Sam. What do you make | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
of the idea of expecting people to fund their own care until they only | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
have 100,000 in assets left? As somebody who will probably never | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
have 100,000 in assets, I think if somebody has got that much money, | :14:15. | :14:27. | |
and that is a lot of money... Even including their property these days? | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
Probably not, with the way the property market is going, but people | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
who have more should pay more. I don't think welfare should be there | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
to help people who already have money in the bank. Lanre, what about | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
the idea of making people pay rather than increasing tax, which is what | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
the Liberal Democrats are saying, but an extra 1p on income tax and | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
then you raise more money and have more money in the bank to pay for | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
this stuff? I do agree in some respects because there are people in | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
that position who can do something but it is means testing and making | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
sure that it is right for the right individual, not this blanket whoever | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
you are because it is putting people in dangerous positions. But the | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
welfare Budget, there are so many different parts of the community | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
that need welfare, the unemployed, if you have a disability, in care, | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
so I think more thought needs to be put into it. If you can pay more | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
than you probably should be the reason for working order life is | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
that you have some money aside to help you in difficult times and it | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
should be reviewed on a regular basis. It is a tough decision, I | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
agree. A slightly connected subject is the issue of welfare benefits, a | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
lot of people who previously would not have voted Conservative are now | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
saying in this election that they trust Theresa May, they'd think she | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
will do the right thing even on welfare benefits, even though some | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
of those people will have seen their welfare benefits cut. How important | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
do you think the leader of the party is in this election as to how people | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
will vote? It is important, especially | :15:48. | :15:55. | |
something like welfare where everybody has an opinion whether you | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
are at the top end and have no need for it, you have an opinion because | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
you are a taxpayer full is up and somebody who relies on those sorts | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
of benefits, who may feel they are constantly being judged, people | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
think they are using or abusing the system, regardless of where you are | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
in the spectrum, you will have an opinion of who you should vote for | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
based on welfare. I think leadership within parties is mostly who can | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
articulate themselves the best and who can afford the best spin doctor. | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
I don't know if you managed to watch the debate but the leaders of the | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
two biggest body did not even turn up. Jeremy Corbyn so far is slightly | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
right in that he wants to debate Theresa May but he has had plenty of | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
times to do that, it is Prime Minister's Questions, and he has | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
said is that line thrown at him to take a hit at her and he has not | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
done it. Theresa May does not want to debate because I feel she is only | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
good when she is fed the line, she repeats the line with somebody made | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
up for her and she can't debate when she's on the spot. I suppose this is | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
a question designed with undecided voters in mind, if you can't find | :17:11. | :17:17. | |
someone to vote for, how ripe is the time for a new party to come to the | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
fore? Like we have seen in France with Emmanuel Macron. How welcome | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
would that be and what would they need to offer you? They would need | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
to listen and understand that we have many different people in our | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
communities and many different needs. You have to do something to | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
meet these different needs and also be true to your word. We have seen | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
similar politicians saying they will do this, not raise tuition fees, you | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
name it, every single one is guilty and you can't trust them. Somebody | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
who is authentic and does what they say and has a proven record of doing | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
that, maybe, just maybe, you might listen to them and follow them. You | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
have a few more days to decide God I hope you manage to decide that there | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
is one that will get your vote -- a few more days to decide, I hope you | :18:12. | :18:13. | |
get one to decide on. We can go back to the news from | :18:14. | :18:23. | |
Sweden about Julian Assange. It has dropped in the last few minutes, | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
what do we know? The Swedish prosecutor had until today to decide | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
whether to renew this arrest warrant for Julian Assange on this | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
allegation of rape or to drop the case and they have is added to drop | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
it. We don't know the reasons, we should understand in the next half | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
hour or so. What does it mean for him? He is not under threat of | :18:44. | :18:51. | |
arrest to be sent to Sweden to face the prosecuting authorities there | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
but he has always said his main concern is actually whether the | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
Swedish authorities when he got that would extradite him to the United | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
States where they are very angry about the fact that WikiLeaks | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
published more than a quarter of a million various official secrets | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
from the bomb and authorities. They want to prosecute him in regard to | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
espionage. He has always said that is his main concern but the British | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
authorities are also just as likely to accept any extradition request | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
from the US as the Swedish authorities. So he might feel he | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
doesn't want to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy yet? We don't know exactly | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
until we hear from him, but that is my sense of it at the moment, that | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
Britain would almost certainly cooperate with an American request | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
for extradition and he would still be liable to arrest by British | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
authorities for being in breach of his bail conditions. It is all about | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
elements that have created a great deal of fascination with this story. | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
Yes, he is seen by many as a litmus test for whether or not speech can | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
be truly free. The Americans and particularly the current Department | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
of Justice have made it clear they believe that what he has done is | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
something that undermined the United States, something that should be | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
prosecuted. Donald Trump has said on record in the past that he believes | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
people who leak state secrets should be executed. Thank you very much. | :20:20. | :20:21. | |
Back to politics now. Leaders of five political parties | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
took part in a live TV election debate last night, | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn who both turned | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
down the invitation. Brexit seemed to dominate | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
as the leaders of the Lib Dems, the Green Party, the Scottish | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
Nationalists and Plaid Cymru repeatedly clashed with | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
Ukip's Paul Nuttall over the issue. Mr Nuttall said the UK should be | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
bold in its Brexit negotiations Of course the deal will be better, | :20:44. | :20:45. | |
because it couldn't be much worse than the deal that we've had | :20:46. | :20:55. | |
whilst we've been within And I encourage the Prime Minister | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
and David Davies, when you go into these negotiations, | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
be bold, have courage. Promote how great our country | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
actually is and accept that, in many ways, the European Union | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
needs us far more than we need it. We have a huge trading | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
deficit with the EU. There are six million | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
jobs on the continent which are dependent | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
on British trade. And I want to say to | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
the Prime Minister, be bold on immigration, | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
because when people voted to leave the European Union they didn't just | :21:29. | :21:30. | |
vote to control our borders, Say no to any divorce bill | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
that is put on the table, because since we've been members | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
of this club we've paid in over ?180 billion | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
in membership fee alone. The deal will be better, | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
but only if Theresa May The SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon, | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
said people should unite against the pursuit | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
of what she called a hard, extreme Brexit, which she claimed | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
would hit tens of thousands I campaigned passionately for the UK | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
and Scotland to stay within the European Union, | :22:03. | :22:10. | |
and I still believe that for all its faults, we are better | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
off in the European Union And I believe - not now, | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
but when the time is right at the end of this process - | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
Scotland should have a choice But the priority now | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
is the Brexit negotiations, because Theresa May is not just | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
pursuing Brexit, she is pursuing Even today when she published her | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
manifesto she threatened again That would be an | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
economic catastrophe. That would cost, in Scotland | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
alone, 80,000 jobs. So my message for people | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
in Scotland, whether you voted Remain or to Leave is to vote SNP | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
to strengthen our hand to get a deal that does not sacrifice Scottish | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
jobs and the economy. Nicola Sturgeon the SNP leader | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
speaking last night. We can speak now to SNP member | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
Stewart McDonald who was watching Thank you for joining us. How | :23:03. | :23:12. | |
worthwhile was that debate without Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn from | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
the biggest parties? It is quite something that the Prime Minister | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
and the lead of the Labour Party cannot turn up to a debate with five | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
other people and yet both of them want us to believe that they are the | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
ones who can deliver up against 27 other EU countries. It shows them to | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
have a complete brass neck but Nicola Sturgeon did the right thing | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
and turned up and made the case for Scotland to have a say in the Brexit | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
deal. Nicola Sturgeon has criticised Theresa May for saying she wants a | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
free hand on Brexit but surely that is what the SNB has been seeking all | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
along for Scotland and potentially a second independence referendum -- | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
the SNP. You are right that the primers that what is that once the | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
-- the promised want a free hand but it is not our job to give her one of | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
our job is to provide good solid opposition to make sure that Ukip | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
don't get to hijack the Brexit which they seem to be doing at the minute, | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
and make sure we get a deal that works for all of the UK and in | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
particular from our point of view, for the people of Scotland. How | :24:21. | :24:28. | |
concerned are you and your party that the Conservatives under Ruth | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
Davidson seem to be enjoying greater popularity than ever before? She is | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
encouraging Labour voters to vote for her to keep the SNP out. It is | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
quite something, since the alliance they formed in 2014, the Tories | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
essentially have grabbed all about political ground in terms of the | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
Unionist vote in Scotland and are taking votes away from Labour left | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
right and centre. It shows the mess Labour are in, particularly here in | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
Scotland. But we continue to be popular even after ten years in | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
government, and we will continue to make the message and take it to the | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
people of Scotland that only by voting SNP can you get a strong | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
opposition. Tory MPs will give that three and two Theresa May which even | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
those who voted for Brexit don't want her to have, they want a strong | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
opposition and they will only get that from the SNP. You mentioned the | :25:22. | :25:29. | |
mess that you perceive Labour to be in but Kezia Dugdale, according to | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
one of the polls I have read, is enjoying a boost to her rating. You | :25:32. | :25:40. | |
are snorting at that... Come on! Look at what has happened to | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
Scottish Labour! They have been replaced by the Conservative Party | :25:45. | :25:46. | |
in the Scottish Parliament that they themselves created when last in | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
government, they are in a woeful mess, they have come badly across | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
Scotland in the recent council elections just two weeks ago and | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
they are no longer a major part of the conversation here. It is a | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
straight up fight between the SNP, arguing for progress and fighting | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
the corner of Scotland, and an increasingly right-wing Conservative | :26:08. | :26:09. | |
Party. Stuart McDonald, thank you very much. | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
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think you'll bother, and would like the chance | :26:23. | :26:23. | |
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With the news here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom. | :27:07. | :27:22. | |
Swedish prosecutors have dropped their investigation | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
into the Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, who had | :27:30. | :27:30. | |
Mr Assange is currently holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
The former entertainer Rolf Harris has been released on bail | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
Rolf Harris, who's now 87, was convicted and sentenced in 2014. | :27:42. | :27:49. | |
He's still on trial at Southwark Crown Court, | :27:50. | :27:50. | |
accused of indecently assaulting three teenagers | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
He denies all the charges against him. | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
Brexit dominated the first televised leaders' election debate, | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
held last night without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
The ITV event saw little disagreement between the Lib Dems, | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, but they repeatedly clashed | :28:10. | :28:11. | |
And at 11.30am on the BBC News Channel, it's your opportunity | :28:12. | :28:20. | |
to put your questions about the election | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
and the NHS to our health editor, Hugh Pym. | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis, | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
or text your questions to 61124, and you can email us as well | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
Russia has described an attack by American warplanes on a convoy | :28:33. | :28:40. | |
in Syria carrying pro-government militia forces | :28:41. | :28:41. | |
The US-led coalition said the convoy was moving towards a base used | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
by Western special forces near the border with Iraq. | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
up-to-date background checks to ensure they are | :28:57. | :28:57. | |
Figures obtained by the BBC under a Freedom of Information | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
request showed 90% of officers in one force - Northumbria Police - | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
The Inspector of Constabulary is urging forces to address | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am. | :29:11. | :29:20. | |
Thank you very much. More sport now. Hello again, these are the | :29:21. | :29:28. | |
headlines, we now know the full line-up of the play-off finals | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
coming up next week with some dramatic winners in the League 2 | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
semifinals last night. Two late winners. Black Bull, who were in the | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
Premier League six years ago, had reached the final after a stoppage | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
time goal at Luton which made it 6-5 on aggregate and they will play exit | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
like -- Exeter after an equally nervy night at St James Park. That | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
was heading to extra time but Jack Stacey got the winner to put them in | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
the final at the end of the month. One match in the Premier League last | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
night and Harry Kane scored four goals in Spurs' 6-1 win at | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
Leicester, he is now two goals clear of Romelu Lukaku in the race for the | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
Golden Boot. Celtic are still unbeaten in his goddess premiership | :30:13. | :30:18. | |
with one game left, having beaten Partick Thistle 5-0. Geraint Thomas | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
has had to pull out of the Giro d'Italia in cycling, he was involved | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
in a nasty crash last weekend and was in second place overall but he | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
injured his shoulder and his knee and has had to pull out of the race | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
altogether. He said he is just surviving day to day rather than | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
actually racing. That is all for now, I'm back on BBC News after 11 | :30:41. | :30:41. | |
o'clock. Now, the film we are about to show | :30:42. | :31:09. | |
you, contains some distressing scenes of children self-harming | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
and undergoing electro-convulsive therapy, so if you are watching | :31:13. | :31:13. | |
with children you may not want Children in America are undergoing | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
electric shock treatment Now known as electro-convulsive | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
therapy, or ECT, the controversial treatment is being used on severely | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
autistic children who self-harm. The practice cannot be done | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
on children here in the UK We'll be discussing whether or not | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
it's something the NHS should be considering, | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
but first let's here from one parent in America | :31:32. | :31:33. | |
who is using this technique. Just to warn that it contains images | :31:34. | :31:35. | |
some of you may find upsetting. The family say they have | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
seen a huge improvement. When she has behaviours, | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
they are much shorter, She used to have bursts of | :31:42. | :31:42. | |
behaviours where she was aggressive, Now it will be a matter of a few | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
minutes for her to calm down. Each week day, Sophia | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
has school lessons with My biggest concern was that she was | :31:52. | :31:53. | |
going to lose quality of life, Now she is back to loving doing | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
multiplication and division. When she started ECT, she was doing | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
zero academic work at all. But later that afternoon, | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
six days after her last ECT, Chad and her carer have to use | :32:07. | :32:17. | |
approved restraint techniques Uptick in any type of aggression | :32:18. | :32:25. | |
usually towards one or two days, a day-and-a-half prior | :32:26. | :32:49. | |
to her usual scheduled ECT ECT for severely self-injuring | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
autistic children like Sophia Without a long-term | :32:52. | :32:59. | |
scientific study, it remains Right now, Sophia's | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
parents have no regrets. What about the thought | :33:04. | :33:12. | |
of ECT every single week It's overwhelming, | :33:13. | :33:21. | |
if I think about it. But, what future did | :33:22. | :33:28. | |
she have without it? You can see Chris Rogers' full film, | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
"My Child, ECT and Me", on Our World on the BBC News Channel | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
at 9.30pm on Sunday Let's talk now to Phill Wills, | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
whose son, Josh, has severe self-harming autism, | :33:40. | :33:47. | |
Carol Povey, the director of the Centre for Autism, | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
and Professor George Kirov, a psychiatrist who administers ECT | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
for to help with mental illness. Welcome to you all. Phill, tell us | :34:00. | :34:10. | |
about your son and the kind of issues he and you have to cope with? | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
Hello, sorry for holding my earpiece! Josh is 16 now, but he | :34:17. | :34:27. | |
suffered from, as they suffered, it was horrendous, when he was 11 he | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
was self-harming, self injurious behaviour so badly that he had to be | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
hospitalised. He had several surgeries through the summer of | :34:38. | :34:46. | |
2012. It was classed as life-threatening, so he had to be | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
hospitalised. And then in October 2012, just after his 12th birthday, | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
he was moved to an assessment unit in Birmingham the 12 weeks but he | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
ended up staying there for three years. The care was good in | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
Birmingham, the staff were lovely. It was always about the miles, but | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
he needed specialist treatment that we couldn't give him at home. We | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
fought a very public battle to get in the care back home in Cornwall | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
which he now has, he is here in Cornwall with us, with an | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
organisation called Spectrum. He has proved beyond doubt that the spoke | :35:25. | :35:32. | |
personalised care is the best way to go, and it is slightly off topic but | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
there are still so many children like Josh, and adults, that are | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
being treated away from home in units, it is certainly not as good | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
as Josh received, and that is another big topic at the moment that | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
we need to look into. Phill, Canada's as, when you hear about | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
parents in America, can you understand the despair that makes | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
them feel they need to try anything, even treatments that some people may | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
find controversial or even an acceptable? I can, I mean, I watched | :36:06. | :36:19. | |
my son, we, Josh's family, watch our son deteriorate in front of our | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
eyes, nothing we could do about it. He injured himself severely, he lost | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
the front third of his tongue, he lost most of his bottom lip, I won't | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
go into details, but there are things that I have seen that I will | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
never ever be able to extinguish from my mind. So, how bad does it | :36:39. | :36:47. | |
have to get? How bad does it have to get where you have to choose a | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
treatment like this? It is not a cure, just to briefly run through, I | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
posted it on my Facebook last night just to get a reaction from the | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
circle of autism parents that I am involved with, barbaric, the | :37:01. | :37:09. | |
long-term effect on memory, one parent would want to try it | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
themselves first. What worried me as well, to be honest, is the general | :37:13. | :37:20. | |
anaesthetic. I know the young man, I think he has had it 200 times, I | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
watched Josh being put under general anaesthetic three times in one week, | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
he had to be for surgery, but who knows what that can do? It is | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
unimaginable what you have had to cope with, and those parents in | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
America. Stay with us if you will, we will come back to you. Carol | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
Proby from the Centre Borders, where is the evidence that this will help | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
autistic children and, if there is evidence, should it be available | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
here? There is no evidence at all that it helps, we have no evidence | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
based at the moment, so we certainly would never advise parents to go | :37:59. | :38:09. | |
down this line. But I do recognise, as Josh's dad is saying, the immense | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
despair and distress that whole families go through when they are | :38:16. | :38:22. | |
experiencing what is very extreme and complex self injurious behaviour | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
from some children. But without that evidence base, we don't know what | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
the long-term effects of a treatment like this are, certainly we would | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
always say it should not be used in this country, and it is not. | :38:36. | :38:43. | |
Professor Kirov, I understand you'd use ECT on adult in various | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
conditions, can you explain how it works and how you would answer | :38:48. | :38:49. | |
critics who say it is barbaric therapy? The way ECT works, it does | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
look a dramatic treatment, you put electrodes on the head of the | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
patient and pass an electric current, it is actually not very | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
high voltage, it is a repetitive current but it introduces an | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
epileptic fit. The patient is under general anaesthetic and when they | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
wake up they don't remember anything of that, so the only distress for | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
them at this point is the needle going in the arm. They do get | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
confused for, on average, half an hour after the fit, but after an | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
hour old two they are able to go home and they are more or less | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
recovered. Some people get confused for a longer time. We know that what | :39:39. | :39:49. | |
is therapeutic is the epileptic fit, and actually we want to elicit a | :39:50. | :39:56. | |
strong epileptic fit. One criticism of ECT is that epilepsy is a bad | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
thing. People who have epilepsy have a problem, but the fix that we | :40:01. | :40:11. | |
elicit in the ECT Sweet are controlled, so first of all they get | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
oxygen so during the epileptic fit a sufferer might have reduced oxygen | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
which can lead to rain damage, they can also fall and injure themselves, | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
these things don't happen in the controlled environment. Can I just | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
ask how appropriate you think it would be for children with autism, | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
as we see it being used in some cases in America? I haven't used it | :40:38. | :40:45. | |
in children, I don't know how effective it would be. From what I | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
have heard, and these are only stories like the ones we have heard, | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
there was also a book published by an American, I'm not sure if this | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
was brought up earlier in the interview, but they are anecdotal | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
stories that it is effective. I think if it is going to be | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
effective, it is not just for autism in general, it will be effective for | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
certain very serious behaviours, so maybe it will be effective for | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
severe self injurious behaviour or severe mood symptoms. From what I | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
have seen over the years, ECT is most effective when the condition is | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
very serious, so the more serious the depression you treat, the more | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
likely it is that the patient will recover. Phill, I think you want to | :41:40. | :41:50. | |
respond? Well, in this country, I think there is a big problem at the | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
moment with the over medication of children with autism and learning | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
disabilities. Josh was on an anti-psychotic drug for a couple of | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
years before he severely self injured. What we need to do first is | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
what we have done with Josh, to understand the person, to develop | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
the right support, to get to the root of the cause. Early | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
intervention is the key, it didn't happen with Josh and now that he is | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
home, now that he is being looked after nearer to his home with | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
family, which he asked for the three years, he has improved physically | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
and emotionally. Too many families are going through this at the | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
moment. Like I say, it worries me about the general anaesthetic side | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
of it but you need to get to the root cause first, and is this a last | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
resort treatment? I'm not sure if you are going to ask me the question | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
about whether Josh would consider it but I don't think I could watch Josh | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
go near the electrodes, lie on the bed and go through that again. Thank | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
you very much. Very briefly, Carol, we heard about the importance of | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
treating the individual, supporting a family, it seems there is a unique | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
set of care packages that need to be put together for people? That is | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
absolutely right, every person with autism is completely different and | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
at the National Autistic Society we run schools and services and many of | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
the young people in our services have very, very complex, very severe | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
self injurious behaviour and with the right support, based around | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
positive behaviours support, they can make enormous strides to develop | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
really good lives over time. That will be music to the ears of parents | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
who are struggling with children with these very complex issues. | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
Carol Povey, director of the Centre For Autism, Phill wills, and | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
Professor Kirov, we appreciate you joining us today. | :43:56. | :44:01. | |
Some breaking news, British police said Julian Assange will be arrested | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
if he leaves the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Scotland Yard said it was | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
obliged to execute a warrant issued by Westminster it scored for the | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
arrest of Mr Assange following his failure to surrender to the court in | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
June 2012, should he leave the embassy, despite the dropping of a | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
rape investigation by Sweden. There will be more on that on the BBC News | :44:24. | :44:24. | |
Channel at 11am. We'll be looking at last | :44:25. | :44:26. | |
night's Ivor Novello Awards A security software designed | :44:27. | :44:35. | |
to prevent bank fraud has been fooled by a BBC reporter | :44:36. | :44:37. | |
and his twin. Dan Simmons, a reporter | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
for the BBC's technology programme Click, set up an HSBC account | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
and signed up to the their so-called HSBC says the system | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
is secure because each But the bank let Dan Simmons' | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
non-identical twin, Joe, access the account via the telephone | :44:53. | :45:00. | |
after he mimicked After the tone, please | :45:01. | :45:02. | |
complete the phrase "My The balance of your | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
account is ?1.21 credit. Thought it was going to be | :45:09. | :45:28. | |
more than that, Dan! We are joined by Dan | :45:29. | :45:36. | |
and Joe Simmons. Tell us what you did. We thought we | :45:37. | :45:49. | |
would try to break into several biometric security systems, we had | :45:50. | :45:56. | |
time on our hands! It was for Click, the technology show, and we wanted | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
to do different banking applications to see if we could get in and this | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
particular one, HSBC's voice ID decided that it would play ball and | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
let us in. I set up my account and when you set up your account, if you | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
set it up with HSBC, all you have to do is say, my voice is my password | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
five times. When you have done that, the bank has a boy sprint. All that | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
my brother needed to do was take my account number, might sort code -- | :46:29. | :46:39. | |
the bank has a voice print. Those things are relatively easy to get | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
hold of, and my date of birth, you know that. I do, because I was born | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
first! You sound different to my ears so how hard was it? My voice is | :46:50. | :46:59. | |
slightly lower, and the film crew said, you don't even sound alike so | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
we are not expecting it and I was full of apologies because I have | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
only had to hours sleep! I thought we were not going to cut the mustard | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
and it was only when the camera crew were out and we were filming on your | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
phone that I relaxed and everything fell into place. You are starting to | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
sound more like each other! And I raised the pitch, a little bit, and | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
my voice is my password and then what you saw. It is reckoned to be a | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
secure system so what have they said in response? HSBC have said the | :47:33. | :47:39. | |
system is very secure. They have said that it helps to prevent fraud. | :47:40. | :47:47. | |
On their posters they say, your voice is unique and that is what | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
makes voice ID secure. Your voice may be unique, that is up for debate | :47:54. | :48:00. | |
by the way, but even if it is unique, it doesn't make the system | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
secure. I think we have proven that. The suggestion is you need more than | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
one security measure, not just your voice. I have had people on Facebook | :48:12. | :48:19. | |
today saying that HSBC are saying, use our voice recognition system and | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
they are saying they are glad they haven't. Maybe the system needs | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
updating. It needs some work. I spoke to some expert who said that | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
you need two factor authentication on anything to do with something | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
like banking. That is about something you know, something you | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
have or something you are. More on Click? Yes, on the show this weekend | :48:43. | :48:49. | |
across the BBC News Channel and on BBC World News. I'm glad you're not | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
identical! Thank you for coming in. John McDonnell is speaking in | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
central London at a live event as part of the Labour election campaign | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
and we can listen in. 95% of tax grows, no increase in VAT or | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
national insurance contributions. Labour plan that will invest in | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
vital public services. That is the choice at this election. A clear | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
threat to working people's living standards or a Labour Party that | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
will stand up for the many, not the few. Let me just mention the issue | :49:24. | :49:33. | |
with regard to older people. Yesterday the Conservative Party | :49:34. | :49:37. | |
abandoned older people. There was a triple whammy. The tearing up of the | :49:38. | :49:44. | |
triple lock, the attack on the winter fuel allowance and yes, the | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
plans on care costs where people could lose control of their homes. I | :49:51. | :49:57. | |
want to mention the issue around the winter fuel allowance. To be frank, | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
I'm angry. I'm one of those people who campaigned against fuel poverty | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
for a number of years and welcomed the introduction of the winter fuel | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
allowance. There are 1 million pensioners and more living in fuel | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
poverty, 30,000 excess deaths a year in winter in this country. It looks | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
as though, as the resolution Foundation has said, the means test | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
could hit those not all on pension credit, 10 million people. We also | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
know that the third, because it is means tested on pension credit, a | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
third don't claim. This is a savage attack on vulnerable pensioners, | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
particularly those who are just about managing. It is disgraceful | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
and we are calling upon the Conservative Party now to withdraw | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
it today, to withdraw it today. We will not stand by and allow our | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
pensioners' winter fuel allowance to be cut in this way and for so many | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
of them to be back in a situation where they have to choose whether | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
they heat or eat. Visit the fifth richest country in the world, we | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
should be able to keep our pensioners safe and warm in winter. | :51:14. | :51:21. | |
Thank you. We have a little time for questions from the media and I will | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
take them in groups of three. We are going to leave it there. That was | :51:27. | :51:32. | |
John McDonnell speaking in central London as part of the Labour | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
election campaign and we will have more on that later on BBC News. | :51:36. | :51:42. | |
Laura Pulp said she felt vindicated for winning album of the year at the | :51:43. | :51:51. | |
Ivor Novello awards -- Laura Mvula. Grime artist Skepta picked up two | :51:52. | :51:53. | |
awards. The awards were yesterday, late | :51:54. | :52:04. | |
afternoon. They celebrate into the night! Who were the winners? The | :52:05. | :52:11. | |
creme de la creme turned up because it is all about the songwriting, the | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
art and creativity about writing songs and composing music. Coldplay | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
beat themselves, they won best performed song for their track Him | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
For The Weekend and were nominated twice in that category alongside | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
Adele. Florence Welch won the International award and she thanked | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
her dad for that and dedicated it to her, who helped her in her early | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
career but Skepta was the big name of the night. Normally the awards go | :52:42. | :52:50. | |
to what some media critics called light of this, with Ed Sheeran and | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
Adele winning before and he was humbled and pleased to win the | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
award. He talked about the fact that he was not somebody who had done | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
this his whole life, he didn't grow up at the age of 14 writing songs or | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
trying to do anything that would build a music career, he other | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
stuff. He was Willie happy that the won an award for songwriter of the | :53:15. | :53:16. | |
year -- really happy. It's surprising because, again, | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
you never think, when you're rapping and you're just writing | :53:20. | :53:21. | |
you never think your songs are like put on a pedestal | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
of like Chris Martin, Now I understand, everything | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
I've been writing, it's So I'm going to take a lot | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
of pride in my next work. And he normally takes his parents | :53:33. | :53:47. | |
with him? At the Mercury awards last year he had his mum on dad -- 's mum | :53:48. | :53:54. | |
and dad on stage but this year the award was presented to him by his | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
sister. He did say that he couldn't imagine what they were thinking | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
about his career right now. Laura Mvula won album of the year and said | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
she felt vindicated. She was actually dropped by her record label | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
in March and she says she is busier than ever and so happy she has been | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
recognised for her talent. Thank you very much. | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
Let's return to the story about Julian Assange and the Director of | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
Public Prosecutions in Sweden who has dropped the investigation into | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
those rape allegations. Our report it in the Stockholm where a news | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
conference on the decision to drop the case is about to happen. It has | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
all happened in the last few minutes? We are expecting the press | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
conference to take place at any moment but there has been a document | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
released by the prosecution service here in Sweden saying the | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
investigation into those sex crime allegations against Julian Assange | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
is not go to continue. All we know so far is that this is the result of | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
him being questioned recently at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London which | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
all happened via translators. We know Swedish prosecutors have looked | :55:06. | :55:07. | |
at the transcripts and they say they continue the investigation and have | :55:08. | :55:14. | |
decided not to continue. They have responded to his lawyers requests to | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
drop the European Arrest Warrant against him and that is now going to | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
be dropped. We are expecting more information from prosecutors in the | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
next few minutes but this is a big development in the case and | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
essentially his future is now unclear. It may be that he can leave | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
the embassy in London although police have said they still want to | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
question him and of course he is still wanted for questioning in the | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
United States over the leak of all those top secret cables through his | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
WikiLeaks website. That was almost what he said, not so much being | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
extradited to Sweden which would trouble him but what might happen to | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
him afterwards. He has always strongly denied the allegations | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
against him which involved molestation and rape. The | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
molestation charges expired under Swedish law in 2015, the rape | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
allegation still stood. He protested his innocence and had long fought | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
for prosecutors to come and question him in London early in the process | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
which has been going on for some seven years now but he did fear that | :56:20. | :56:27. | |
if he landed on Swedish soil it would result in him being extradited | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
to the US. We are watching closely to see what happens later. It has | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
been a big story here with public and media interest but how much | :56:35. | :56:37. | |
attention has there been in Sweden? A lot less, the press room had a lot | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
of international journalists including Swedish ones but generally | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
there has not been as much focus on the amount of taxpayers money that | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
has been spent on this case. It was said in 2016 that ?12 million, and | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
that number would have gone up, we asked police for an updated figure | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
but could not get that before this press conference. It has been lower | :57:03. | :57:08. | |
key in Sweden but it takes sex crimes and rape allegations | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
seriously and the definitions of those crimes are broader than in | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
other countries so that despite that is white prosecutors say they were | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
taking this investigation seriously. -- that is why. It seems to have | :57:19. | :57:26. | |
taken a long time to come to this decision and drop it? Absolutely and | :57:27. | :57:28. | |
that is what the criticism has been from Julius -- von Julian Assange's | :57:29. | :57:36. | |
lawyers. That link the convent is about to start in a few minutes. -- | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
at the press conference. Thank you very much. That was from Stockholm | :57:42. | :57:49. | |
where they are waiting for the press conference to start. A reminder that | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
he police in London have said that they would arrest Julian Assange if | :57:56. | :58:01. | |
he left the Ecuadorian Embassy. He has been living there, seeking | :58:02. | :58:08. | |
refuge from arrest since 2012. He is 45 now and has been living there for | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
almost five years. This story is not over by any means. | :58:14. | :58:14. | |
My wife keeps wondering, could she have done better than me? | :58:15. | :58:34. | |
I mean, if she picked you purely romantically, | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
instead of rigorously, you may not be the optimal. | :58:38. | :58:39. | |
if she could date 100 people in her lifetime, | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
she takes the first square root of those, so, 10, | :58:44. | :58:47. |