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Hello. It's Monday. | :00:08. | :00:08. | |
It's 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | :00:09. | :00:09. | |
This programme has learnt that a police inquiry into deaths at a | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
mental health trust could investigate up to 20 cases. Just | :00:20. | :00:31. | |
said Matthew has been found hanging. It doesn't look good. I couldn't | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
breathe. I fell to the floor and my partner took the rest of the call. | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
Also this morning, the jury overseeing the Bill Cosby | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
sexual assault trial will be sworn in today. | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
One of his alleged victims tells us the American | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
justice system is slanted towards protecting perpetrators. | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
He stood so low to pimp the civil rights struggle to hide behind his | :00:57. | :01:12. | |
criminality. Bill Cosby denies the charges | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
against him. The Conservatives have been warned that their chaltion to | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
the social care in England could fail because of variations in how | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
some councils administer the payments. We'll bring you all the | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
details. Hello and welcome to the programme. | :01:27. | :01:36. | |
We're live until 11am. Throughout the morning we'll bring | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
you the latest breaking news The Green Party launch | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
their general election We'll bring that to you live | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
and we'll look at how internal Facebook documents appear to show | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
that in some cases its moderators tolerates violent threats, | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
bullying and self-harm. Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Labour is promising English students | :02:01. | :02:11. | |
who start university courses in England this autumn won't have to | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
pay tuition fees if the party wins the election. Labour has pledged to | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
abolish fees from 2018, but says it wants to discourage those sitting | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
their exams now from deferring for a year. The Conservatives say more | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
students than ever from disadvantaged backgrounds are | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
getting into university. Let's talk to Norman Smith who is at | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
Westminster. Fill us in then Norman? This is one of Mr Corbyn's big | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
stand-out policies. If you had to name the three big Corbyn policies, | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
one would be ending austerity and two nationalising the railways and | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
three is scrapping tuition fees. Labour is going further. They're not | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
merely talking about passing legislation in 2018 to stop students | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
afterwards having to pay, they're saying any youngsters going to | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
university this autumn would also not have to pay. So their fees for | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
the first year before the legislation comes in, would be | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
written off. Anyone who is already a student would no longer have to pay | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
any fees even though they have begun university and those who have left | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
university and are having to pay back a student loan, the interest | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
rate they would have to pay would be hacked back from 6% to just | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
inflation. That's around 2.7%. So a significant reduction too in their | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
costs. On top of that, they're talking about bringing back | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
maintenance grants. That's a really sizeable chunky package for | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
students, costing a not insignificant ?11 billion. So that's | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
a lot of cash, but speaking this morning the Shadow Education | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
Secretary said she thought it was just wrong that youngsters starting | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
out in the world should begin with such massive debts if though chose | :04:01. | :04:10. | |
to go to university. OK. Let me ask you about social care, | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
since the Conservatives launched their manifesto, they have faced | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
criticism from all sorts of sectors. What's the latest today? Well sh the | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
Tory high command, those around May say they are not backing down and | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
not going to re-think the policy, there will be a consultation, but | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
that was to look at tweaking the fine details. That is, you know, | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
trouble down the line, I have to say because there is a lot of disquiet, | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
not just amongst the opposition parties obviously but in the | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
charities, in the pensioners groups, in think-tanks, they have almost | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
universally criticised the policies and in the Tory Party there are | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
sounds of disquiet because the policy which Mrs May has come up | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
with is quite good news for poorer families because it raises the | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
means-test before you have to contribute to ?100,000. However, if | :05:02. | :05:08. | |
you are someone who owns an average house around ?250,000 or more, it is | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
not good news because you will almost certainly have to pay for | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
your care because what they're saying is, you'll have to pay for | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
everything until you're only left with ?100,000. If you have a house | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
worth ?250,000 say which is the average you will have to pay the | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
first ?150,000 of care before you get down to the ?100,000 limit. It | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
is a real hit on middle-class and better off families so there is the | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
real row brewing over this change. And the Green Party launch their | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
manifesto this morning? They do indeed. Some spiky policies. A lot | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
of it is about protecting the environment, probably, you know, no | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
surprises there. , I think what might get the headlines are their | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
other policies which are to the left of Jeremy Corbyn. They are talking | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
about reversing all the privatisation in the NHS, they're | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
talking about scrapping Trident completely. Of course, Labour is | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
committed to carrying on with Trident and to use the money from | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
Trident to invest in the NHS, but two of the policies which I think, | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
you know, might interest people most is they're talking about a basic | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
income for everyone. In other words everyone regardless of their wealth | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
should get a basic state income set just a little above Jobseekers | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
allowance at ?80. All other benefits with the exception of disability | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
benefits would go, but everyone, everyone, would get this basic | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
income of ?80 and they are talking about a shorter working week. Their | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
argument being that you know people feel under a lot of pressure, a lot | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
of stress. If people worked four days and I think that's what they | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
are going to suggest, it would provide more scope for people | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
looking for work. Those are radical policies. They are talking about | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
phasing those in if they were to form a Government. They are not | :07:00. | :07:08. | |
saying it should happen immediately. We will bring you the Green Party | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
manifesto launch at 10.30am. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
Newsroom with a summary President Trump will arrive | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
in Israel this morning, on the second leg of his | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
first overseas tour. He's due to meet both Israeli | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
and Palestinian leaders with peace The president has called | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement "the ultimate deal", | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
but so far has been vague After what some called | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
an Islamaphobic start on the campaign trail, | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
Donald Trump has met Arab and Gulf leaders and spoken of working | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
together with Muslim nations This is not a battle | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
between different faiths, different This is a battle between barbaric | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
criminals who seek to obliterate Drive them out of your holy land | :07:51. | :07:58. | |
and drive them out of this earth. The President has been well | :07:59. | :08:13. | |
received in Saudi Arabia. Not least because of his | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
tough approach on Iran. Now the business mogul wants | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
what he calls the ultimate deal. This morning, he's heading | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
for Tel Aviv to begin his bid to find peace between Israel | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
and the Palestinians. He'll meet Israel's Prime Minister | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
today and the Palestinian President tomorrow, having met both | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
already in Washington. There is some doubt | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
about whether his unconventional, business-like approach can can | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
achieve a peace deal where so many others have failed | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
but there is optimism. Reports in the Israeli press, | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
quoting White House sources, say President Trump will focus first | :08:47. | :08:48. | |
on trying to build confidence between the two sides | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
so direct talks can resume. A police inquiry into an NHS-run | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
mental health unit in Essex is investigating up to twenty | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
deaths, this programme has learnt. It follows a fresh probe | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
into the death of Matthew Leahy, who was found hanged | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
at the Linden Centre His mother Melanie told the BBC | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
there was no care plan in place for him when he was admitted | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
to the centre. Essex Police say they are | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
"conducting initial enquiries into a number of deaths" | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
at the centre. You can see more on that story in a | :09:21. | :09:32. | |
few minutes time. Two men arrested by Humberside | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
Police over the disappearance of a woman who went missing after | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
dropping her daughter off at school. They will appear before Hull | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
Magistrates Court later today. The woman was last seen walking near her | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
home in Hull four weeks ago. Police have searched several addresses in | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
the city and have appealed for information about her disappearance. | :09:56. | :10:06. | |
9,000 people who lost money on shares in Royal Bank of Scotland | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
begin a High Court action today demanding compensation from the bank | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
and four former directors including Fred Goodwin. | :10:13. | :10:13. | |
The claimants say they were misled by the bank when it sought to raise | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
?12 billion from shareholders in April 2008, a few months before | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
it had to be rescued by taxpayers because it was running out of money. | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
The bank has said it will defend itself vigorously in court. | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
A cheaper pound has led to a surge in American | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
The travel website Expedia says it's seen an 80% jump in summer bookings | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
to the UK from across the Atlantic between January and March, compared | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
American visitors are taking advantage of the 13% fall | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
in the value of sterling compared with the dollar since the EU | :10:40. | :10:58. | |
A diamond ring bought for ?10 at a car-boot sale 30 years ago | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
is expected to fetch ?350,000 at auction. | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
The owner believed the large white diamond was a piece of costume | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
jewellery when she bought it in the 1980s. | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
She wore the spectacular stone for decades without | :11:09. | :11:09. | |
realising its true value - even doing the chores with it on! | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
Drake won 13 billboard muse k awards beating the previous record of | :11:13. | :11:24. | |
Adele. It was a disappointing night for British artists with the only | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
awards coming from for Zain Malik and Coldplay. | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am. | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
We will talk to a woman who alleges she was drugged and raped by Bill | :11:40. | :11:48. | |
Cosby. The jury for Bill Crosby's trial is selected today. | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
And let's start with the controversy surrounding John Terry's | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
This was supposed to be a day of celebrations for Chelsea. It was | :11:58. | :12:08. | |
John Terry's final appearance for the club so they thought there must | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
be an emotional farewell which we had expected, but perhaps not in the | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
way that it happened. What did occur, in the 26th minute in case | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
you were wondering, his shirt number, John Terry came off. He was | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
substituted at the 26th minute and there was a Guard of Honour which | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
has been described by some people as quite odd. Now, this Guard of Honour | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
occurred. It took him to the 28th minute before he finally came off | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
and it has divided opinion with many people calling it contrived. Others | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
saying it undermined the game. Here is what Final Score pundit Gareth | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
Crooks had to say. This isn't Hollywood, this is a Premier League | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
fixture. This has been set-up. I'm uncomfortable with it to be honest | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
with you. I think it is very unusual to see that. I have never seen that | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
before. OK, I know he is a unique player, but yeah, 26 minutes he goes | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
off, he has number 26. It is the Guard of Honour in the middle of a | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
game. I'm not happy with the way it was done. Some strong words, but I | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
don't think he was aLondon in that reaction. I heard Robbie Savage | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
saying, "What was that about?" Apparently it was John Terry's idea. | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
Social media has been ablaze? Huge reaction on Twitter today. We have | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
got some tweets that said the game is dead. Strong words from Sean | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
Bishop. Sunderland should be ashamed. Testimonial antics in a | :13:40. | :13:48. | |
League game. Shameful. David Mc Nally says every Chelsea player | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
should have been booked for that pathetic behaviour and for bringing | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
the game into disrepute. Some say he was right to do that and that he was | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
the sort of player that deserves that type of response. Who knows, | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
but in the meantime, it does mean, of course, that was John Terry's | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
final game whether or not he likes how he went off, of course. Arsene | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
Wenger won't talk about his future, but has been talking about the | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
impact, the speculation around his future had on his team? That's | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
right. Well, in the end Arsenal finished fifth despite beating | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
Everton yesterday 3-1, but it means they have missed out on Champions | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
League football for the first time in 20 years. Of course, the fans | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
inside the stadium made their disappointment clear and fans have | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
been divided over whether Arsene Wenger should stay on when his | :14:41. | :14:49. | |
contract expires. There have been many protests against him since the | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
season began in January. There was, of course celebration for Manchester | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
City and Liverpool. There was a tentative wait for Liverpool fans | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
who had to wait until before half-time before they took the lead | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
against Middlesbrough before scoring 3-0 and securing fourth place in the | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
League. Celebrations across-the-board yesterday and | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
disappointment too for Arsenal, but we will have more sport in the next | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
half an hour. Thank you very much. | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
First this morning, this programme has been told that a police enquiry | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
into deaths at a mental health trust could investigate up to 20 cases. | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
The Linden Centre in Essex is facing questions into deaths that have | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
It follows fresh investigations into the death of Matthew Leahy, | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
who was found hanged at Linden Centre in 2012. | :15:42. | :15:52. | |
His mother, Melanie Leahy, said her talks with Essex Police | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
suggested the cases had taken place in the last 17 years. | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
Our reporter Simon Cox has been investigating. | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
It was the most unsafe place he could have been. | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
I remember him texting me, "Mum, please let me come | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
I wouldn't want to be in there, and if I was in there | :16:09. | :16:18. | |
I'd want certain people to look after me. | :16:19. | :16:20. | |
Why have they left it 17 years to look into these deaths? | :16:21. | :16:34. | |
He was great at school, good in maths, good | :16:35. | :17:01. | |
Matthew Leahy, a bright, sporty student. | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
In his teens, he began smoking cannabis and having hallucinations. | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
By 2012, his mental health had spiralled. | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
There'd been a situation with his father, and the police were called | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
I was told, "Don't come and see him for seven days, | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
let him settle onto the ward," so I respected that. | :17:15. | :17:16. | |
Matthew was a patient at the Linden Centre, | :17:17. | :17:24. | |
run by the North Essex Partnership Trust. | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
A week after being admitted, the centre phoned his mum. | :17:31. | :17:38. | |
Actually this is the day the lies began. | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
The phone rang, it was about 1:30, 1:15, and the doctor... | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
"Matthew's been found hanging, it doesn't look good." | :17:44. | :18:05. | |
I couldn't breathe, I fell to the floor on my knees, | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
and my partner took the rest of the call. | :18:09. | :18:10. | |
And there he was on the trolley, and the next instruction was, | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
And I asked, "Could I take a cutting of his hair?" | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
"No, you're not allowed to touch, he's a crime scene." | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
Just 20 when he died, at his inquest the jury | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
Each patient supposedly has a care plan, and it came to light that | :18:30. | :18:37. | |
Matthew had no care plan, he had no key worker, no-one knew, | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
for two days there wasn't even any observation sheets, | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
The police report says, "Matthew was taken to a place of safety." | :18:45. | :19:01. | |
It was the most unsafe place he could have been. | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
I remember him texting me, "Mum, please let me come | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
I just said, "No, stay there, these are the professionals, | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
they know what they're doing, you need some help." | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
The inquest jury said Matthew had been subjected to a series | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
of multiple failings and missed opportunities over | :19:19. | :19:20. | |
After the inquest, the coroner suggested that the Trust told | :19:21. | :19:30. | |
a public inquiry into Matthew's death, but they said it would be too | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
expensive and it would take money away from frontline services. | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
But Matthew was not the first patient who'd hung himself | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
In 2001, Nicola Dordoy was found hanging from a curtain pole. | :19:39. | :19:57. | |
Three years later, Denise Gregory hung herself | :19:58. | :19:58. | |
Then, in 2008, Ben Morris was found hanging from a wardrobe door. | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
We've learned Essex Police have launched an investigation | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
into deaths at the Linden Centre going back to the year 2000. | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
Now, the police won't say exactly how many cases they're looking at, | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
but one source has told us that it could be as many as 20 | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
This nurse had noticed these problems for many years. | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
He spent a decade at the Trust and left last summer. | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
He wants us to protect his identity as it could affect his employment. | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
The risk of ligature points had been identified many years ago, | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
and as a result one would have expected the Trust to have taken | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
When senior staff and nurses asked whether those had been dealt with, | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
senior management would give them reassurance. | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
Did you try and raise concerns or ask managers about, | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
are these things being fixed that would minimise people | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
As a staff member, yes, on a regular basis. | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
If you asked too many questions, you were deemed as a troublemaker. | :20:52. | :20:59. | |
If ligature points as a risk had been resolved, there would have | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
As a staff member, you can't do anything about that. | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
They can say, "When is that door going to be fixed?" | :21:09. | :21:17. | |
Do you think if there had those changes that they had been told | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
to do, that then maybe some of those patients who died, | :21:22. | :21:23. | |
The Essex Partnership Trust said the history of serious incidents | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
at the Linden Centre is a matter of great concern that must be | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
addressed, and that it places patient safety as a top priority. | :21:33. | :21:34. | |
But, to improve safety, this nurse says they'll need | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
to tackle a reliance on temporary or agency staff. | :21:38. | :21:45. | |
You'd have one qualified member of staff that was a regular staff | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
member, and you could have up to three or four agency staff, | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
and that would have a profound difficulty because they wouldn't be | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
aware of the environment and they need extra supervision. | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
Do you think it is a safe place for patients? | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
I wouldn't want to be in there, and if I was in there I'd want | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
So that's pretty damning, this is you as someone who'd worked | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
there for a long time, if you or a relative | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
I'd be extremely scared to go in there. | :22:14. | :22:21. | |
The Trust said it was improving systems to ensure investigations | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
are carried out rigorously and thoroughly, and that | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
learning shared across the entire organisation. | :22:30. | :22:39. | |
They are also undertaking a full ligature audit, | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
removing features that could be used by patients to take their own lives. | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
But they've promised to tackle this before. | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
In February 2015, the regulator, the Care Quality Commission, | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
It found risks on the ward but it was not apparent that actions | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
had been fully taken to address these. | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
It also said that risk assessments seen lacked detail. | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
Inspectors returned to the Trust in August 2015. | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
They found "one patient attempted to strangle | :23:04. | :23:04. | |
themselves with a ligature during our inspection," | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
and there was still an unacceptable number of ligature risks identified | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
A year later when they came back, they found safety | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
was still a concern and said, "The Trust must ensure | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
action is taken to remove identified ligature risks." | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
While the focus is on the Linden Centre, the problems at the Trust | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
I think it's heartbreaking for her family. | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
Melanie was a devoted mum to her two children and her family, | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
who are still reeling from her death. | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
Last year, Melanie Lowe was admitted to hospital under the care | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
of the North Essex Trust after her mental health | :23:50. | :23:51. | |
Melanie took an overdose from pills from her own wash bag | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
and was admitted to hospital, where she remained | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
However, when she was readmitted some days later back to the ward, | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
her observation levels were downgraded from constant watch | :24:05. | :24:05. | |
Unobserved, she took her own life, suffocating herself. | :24:06. | :24:17. | |
At her inquest last November, once again the Essex coroner heard | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
And we heard during the inquest that she'd tried to abscond twice | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
while she'd been on constant watch, and the locum psychiatrist | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
who reassessed her upon admission didn't have access to | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
the observation notes during that time, so didn't know | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
she'd tried to abscond, and she was unaware of the Trust's | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
own policies and guidelines in relation to observation levels. | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
Were you surprised at all by what you heard? | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
It seems quite concerning that the Trust don't seem to be | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
Instant reports are prepared just so that families can know that this | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
is being looked into and treated seriously and hope that it can be | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
That's what Melanie Leahy's trying to ensure, by supporting other | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
families going through the same trauma she faced. | :25:08. | :25:14. | |
She's on her way to an inquest of another patient found hanged | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
This was a fight for answers from our own son's death, | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
and I just can't ignore other families that are going | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
through the same stuff and being treated the same way. | :25:25. | :25:32. | |
It's just a club you belong to, and it's the most horrendous club | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
At the coroner's court, she's meeting another member | :25:37. | :25:47. | |
of the club, Lisa Morris, whose son Ben hung himself | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
It's just like reliving a nightmare, because I've tried so hard | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
And along then with Melanie after Matthew died, | :25:57. | :26:11. | |
Melanie came and found me, and I think we've been down every | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
avenue possible to try and stop this happening to anyone else, | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
and when you hear that it does happen again, why? | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
When so many recommendations have been made to the Linden Centre | :26:26. | :26:32. | |
of how to put things right, and they're simply not doing them? | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
These people could still be living now if the hospital had listened | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
Well, now we know back to 2001 of a young lady | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
And all these recommendations were made then. | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
It's not just by the CQC and the health and safety, | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
She recommends that that hospital do certain things | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
And this goes round and round, and over and over, and over and over. | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
I do believe Ben's death is one of the 20-odd | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
that they are looking into, and that makes me angry as well. | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
Ben's - since 2000, Ben's death, that's 17 years ago. | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
Why have they left it 17 years to look into these deaths? | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
Can the police inquiries into deaths at the Linden Centre restore trust | :27:26. | :27:40. | |
for the grieving families, whose relatives died in the place | :27:41. | :27:42. | |
Let me read you this e-mail from Aaron who was watching the film. I | :27:43. | :28:00. | |
have been in the Linden Centre three times over the past two make ears | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
are due to attempts to take my own life. The last time was May 28 last | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
year. I put myself into a coma for five days on the last attempt. Since | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
then, I have tried to put it behind me and I'm doing better. The reason | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
for my e-mail is that when you feel like I did at that time, there was | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
pretty much nothing anyone could do to stop me doing what I had done. I | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
made blades, self harming from stones in the Linden Centre garden. | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
I took ligatures from curtain cords and so on. My brain was hell-bent on | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
succeeding. The doctor bluntly said there was nothing he could offer | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
that would change it. It seemed I needed to get it out of my system to | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
move forward. It sounds daft but back then I was not thinking | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
straight, although I thought I was at the time. I felt normal and some | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
days I wish I had succeeded to end the internal pain I am carrying | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
around. I am dealing with it as best I can and I would not condemn the | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
Linden Centre or their staff. They have the hardest job in the world | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
and they never stopped trying to help me. If it was not for them I | :29:04. | :29:05. | |
would not be here. After 10am, we'll talk | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
to the daughter of a 76 who took her own life on day | :29:10. | :29:11. | |
release from the centre. If you've been affected by any | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
of the issues raised in that film - you can find support and advice | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
at the bbc action line - And we have a statement from the | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
Essex partnership NHS Trust. They told us: "The history | :29:25. | :29:43. | |
of serious incidents of self-harm at the Linden Centre is a matter | :29:44. | :29:45. | |
of great concern that the Trust has already recognised must be | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
addressed...and that it had set aside significant funding | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
so it was ready to take prompt actions following the results | :29:52. | :29:53. | |
of an audit of risks of patients using ligatures | :29:54. | :29:55. | |
to take their own lives." We will bring you the latest nose in | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
a moment but still to come, once known as America's dad, Bill Cosby | :30:01. | :30:02. | |
was considered a comedy legend. He returns to court today as selection | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
begins for jurors who will decide whether or not he is guilty of | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
sexual assault. And we will get reaction to those leaked internal | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
documents used by Facebook which appear to show that it has | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
instructed its own moderators not to remove controversial content which | :30:16. | :30:16. | |
many would find offensive. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :30:17. | :30:24. | |
with a summary of today's news. Labour is promising English students | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
who start university courses in England this autumn | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
won't have to pay tuition fees Labour has already pledged | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
to abolish fees from 2018, but says it wants to discourage | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
those sitting their exams now The Conservatives say | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
more students than ever from disadvantaged backgrounds | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
are getting into university. Meanwhile, the Conservatives have | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
been warned that their plans to fund social care in England could fail | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
because of problems with how some councils administer the existing | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
system of deferred payments. The insurer Royal London said | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
responses from 140 authorities to a freedom of information request | :31:01. | :31:06. | |
showed that, in some places, people appeared not to be aware | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
they could postpone paying People have until midnight tonight | :31:10. | :31:23. | |
to register to vote. More than two million registered to vote. In the | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
2015 general election nearly 500,000 people left it until the final day | :31:29. | :31:30. | |
to register. Donald Trump will arrive in Israel | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
this morning, on the second leg The US President, seen here leaving | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
Saudi Arabia this morning, will meet both Israeli | :31:38. | :31:45. | |
and Palestinian leaders with peace Mr Trump has called | :31:46. | :31:47. | |
an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement "the ultimate deal", | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
but so far has been vague A police inquiry into an NHS-run | :31:51. | :31:52. | |
mental health unit in Essex is investigating up to 20 deaths, | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
this programme has learnt. It follows a fresh probe | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
into the death of Matthew Leahy, who was found hanged | :32:02. | :32:03. | |
at the Linden Centre His mother Melanie told the BBC | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
there was no care plan in place for him when he was admitted | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
to the centre. Essex Police say they are | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
"conducting initial enquiries into a number of deaths" | :32:14. | :32:15. | |
at the centre. A viewer tweets, "Heartbreaking." | :32:16. | :32:33. | |
Sophie tweets, "It's so important particularly to talk about the rise | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
of agency staff. Sometimes we only had agency staff on a night shift | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
who were very unhelpful. " If you're getting in touch, you're welcome. | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria Live or e-mail us: | :32:48. | :32:50. | |
Arsene Wenger says his love for Arsenal cannot be questioned | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
after they failed to finish in the top four for | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
He refused to comment on his future after the match, | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
although he did admit that the constant speculation | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
John Terry has admitted his prolonged farewell in his final | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
The captain received a guard of honour from team-mates | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
as he walked off the pitch in the 26th minute, | :33:19. | :33:20. | |
Celtic are the first side in over a century to go through an entire | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
season in the Scottish top flight without defeat. | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
They signed off with a 2-0 win over Hearts | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
weekend, they could yet win the treble. | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
And Billy Vunipola is out of the Lions tour to New Zealand. | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
He's been managing with a shoulder injury but that now needs more | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
treatment, so his place in the squad goes to Wasps back row James | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
I will have more sport in the next hour. | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
Bill Cosby will return to court today as selection begins | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
for the jurors who will decide whether or not he is | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
The 79-year-old entertainer, who became known as "America's Dad" | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
throughout decades as a national treasure is expected to attend | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
every day of jury selection hearings at a court in Pennsylvania. | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
Bill Cosby is a US comedian and actor once seen | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
as the all-American dad for his portrayal of | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
Dr Cliff Huxtable in the hit sitcom The Cosby Show in the 80s | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
He'll stand trial for a charge of three counts of indecent assault | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
alleged by one woman, former colleague and basketball | :34:26. | :34:27. | |
It's the only criminal case Mr Cosby faces related to sexual assault | :34:28. | :34:35. | |
The point of this is that it was intoxicating to her | :34:36. | :34:43. | |
That's the charges that we're bound over, | :34:44. | :34:52. | |
and we look forward to handling this in court. | :34:53. | :34:55. | |
Over those years, nearly 60 women have come forward accusing | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
His behaviour was like that of a predator. | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
I woke up in the back of my car, alone. | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
My clothes were a mess, my bra was undone. | :35:06. | :35:12. | |
35 of them told their stories to New York magazine. | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
Cosby has always maintained the encounters were consensual. | :35:17. | :35:18. | |
Ms Constand's case is the only one that has fallen | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
within the time-limit known as the statute of limitations, | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
a US law that shields people from prosecution after a certain | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
time by imposing an expiry date for allegations of crimes. | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
The jury selection begins today, as prosecutors say Bill Cosby | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
drugged and molested Ms Constand at his home in Cheltenham, | :35:38. | :35:39. | |
Judge Steven O'Neill has said he plans to screen about 125 jurors | :35:40. | :35:47. | |
Lili Bernard alleges Bill Cosby drugged and raped her | :35:48. | :36:02. | |
after she starred in the eighth and final series of the Cosby Show. | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
She told me what her initial impressions of him where. | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
Initially I felt that he was a brilliant mind who was instrumental | :36:13. | :36:20. | |
in lifting the image of the black family. | :36:21. | :36:31. | |
I believed he was a philanthropist. Later on I discovered that was a | :36:32. | :36:39. | |
smoke screen to divert attention from his depravity and his | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
criminality, but I was duped like the rest of the world. He was a | :36:44. | :36:56. | |
whole Somme person, that he was Dr Huxstable. He denies all charges. | :36:57. | :37:03. | |
Insisting that all his encounters were consensual and he and his | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
family have suggested that some of the claims against him are down to | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
racism? Would you like my comment on that? Yes, please. I have evidence | :37:15. | :37:22. | |
to prove that my relationship with him was not romantic. That it was | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
professional and paternal and purely platonic. That he was mentoring me | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
from the prospective of a father figure, that he often told me that | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
he loved me and cared for me as if I were one of his daughters. He often | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
said to me, "You're one of my kids." With regard to the bogus and | :37:47. | :37:54. | |
despicable claim that he has been rationally targeted. On 2nd May | :37:55. | :38:02. | |
2015, it was the day after I first came public about the abuse I | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
suffered at the hands of Bill Cosby and I attended a protest protest | :38:07. | :38:17. | |
near Georgia where Bill Cosby gave his last performance and two weeks | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
later Bill Cosby donates money to the Black Belt Fundation in Alabama | :38:22. | :38:30. | |
and he stages this mock march over the bridge and the bridge is a | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
signifier of a very important historic moment in the civil rights | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
struggle. I sent e-mails and made lots of phone calls to the school | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
which the Black Belt Foundation was involved in because the Black Belt | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
Foundation is a great organisation that provides assistance to | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
disadvantaged marginalised youth in Alabama and I beconed them to please | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
not allow the children, particularly the teenage girls to get near Bill | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
Cosby because he is a dangerous, sexual predator and that I am a | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
victim of his raping, drging and threats. I sent letters to the Black | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
Belt Foundation staff and board of directors, to the school and the | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
principal and to the teachers and no one returned my e-mails and my phone | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
calls and there is information online where you can see that | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
entertainment tonight did a report on it. So, to me, when Bill Cosby | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
staged that march with those children two weeks after I came | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
public about the abuse that I endured at his hands and I mentioned | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
Martin Luther King that was a slap in my face. It is a spit in the face | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
of all the other great civil rights activists who marched over that | :39:56. | :40:04. | |
bridge in 1965 and... Sorry to interrupt, Lili, he is saying the | :40:05. | :40:06. | |
kind of accusations that you are making against him are simply | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
because he is a black man? Right. So we have been also likened parallel | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
by his attorneys and him to lynch mobs and when Bill Cosby calls us a | :40:19. | :40:29. | |
mob, it's den owe grating the souls of the real lynch victims. All it | :40:30. | :40:37. | |
does is reveal his depravity that he would stoop so low to pimp the souls | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
of rape victims in order to hide from, you know, to hide behind his, | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
you know, criminality. It's disgusting. He denies all charges. | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
You told people around you what you say happened to you back then. And | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
you didn't go to the police until many years later. Right. Can you | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
explain why that was? Because he threatened serious consequences to | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
my life. When I approached him and confronted him about being drugged | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
and raped by him, when I told him that I would call the police and go | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
to the hospital and find out what he put in my drink, my sparkling apple | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
cider he told me that the minute that I went to the police that he | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
would go to the police stags after me and file a police report against | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
me for false accusation and then he would sue me for defamation and make | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
sure that I would end up in prison for a long time and that he would | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
ruin my career. He said he would tell all of Hollywood that I was | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
nothing but a slut and I was trying to sleep my way to the top and I was | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
a no good actress and he said I better watch my back, all it takes | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
was one phone call, that's why I didn't call the police because I | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
feared for my life and I became suicidal and, but it doesn't take a | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
threat such as the ones that Bill Cosby inflicted upon me, the serious | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
threats to my life which I interpreted as death threats for | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
aville to not talk about their rape or to report a rape and you have to | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
could be tend with the reality that this invasion, this unwholly | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
invasion can cause you your life because you can contract diseases, | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
sexually transmitted diseases like AIDS that could kill you, it can | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
also determine whether or not you're going to become pregnant and you | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
have to possibility of becoming pregnant with your perpetrator's | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
child or the devil's child or you have to contend with the possibility | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
of now having to face abortion or giving up this child for adoption. | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
It's a life changing, highly traumatic crime that often goes | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
unreported. It's not just victims of be loved celebrities that typically | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
don't report, but victims of people, perpetrators hom they trust, their | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
uncles, their teachers, their boy scout leaders, their coaches, it is | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
a common phenomenal that rape victims do not report crimes. I | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
understand that you know of at least four other women who you say won't | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
come forward. I know personally four other women who were also abused by | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
Bill Cosby and three of them I knew while they were being abused by him | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
and they will not come forward and I understand why they don't because it | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
comes with grave consequences, you wish for retaliation for Bill Cosby | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
by the women. He has sued several of the women. We are constantly, I and | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
the other survivors are constantly being blamed and shamed online. I | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
received so many comments and messages and e-mails from adorning | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
die hard Cosby fans who take every opportunity to attack me. So after I | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
appear on your show for example I will receive a plethora of hate | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
mail, but more importantly, is that I receive an abundance of supportive | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
comments from people across the globe who are also survivors and who | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
thank me for helping to empower them it speak out because through my | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
example of speaking out against such a powerful perpetrator they felt | :44:32. | :44:37. | |
empowered to file a police report against the priest who abused them | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
when they were centre or against their uncle or against their teacher | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
who impregnated them. It's worth it. You know, it's worth receiving all | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
the hate and the vitriol from these die hard Cosby fans and rape | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
apologists in order to positively, you know, impact so many survivors. | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
Again, just to say that Bill Cosby denies the charges against him. I | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
know you haven't been able to take your case to court because of a time | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
limit. What's known as the statute of limitations, ie the time in which | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
a case can be heard has run out. What do you think of that? Well, I | :45:16. | :45:23. | |
have a prepond rans of hardcore evidence against Bill Cosby and I | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
took this evidence with me along with contact information of several | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
witnesses to the Atlantic City detectives on 30th April when I felt | :45:36. | :45:42. | |
safe enough to report the crime because 46 other women had come | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
public before me and therefore, I feared less that Bill Cosby would | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
target me for retaliation. So empowered by these other 46 women | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
and now there are 60 who have gone public I brought my evidence with | :45:56. | :45:57. | |
me. I brought the contact information. I waited for the | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
detectives and the prosecutors to contact my witnesses, they were not | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
contacted and then I found out that the prosecutor in New Jersey | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
couldn't even consider prosecuting Bill Cosby. Couldn't consider | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
pressing charges against Bill Cosby despite the evidence that I brought, | :46:16. | :46:22. | |
the compelling evidence that I brought, despite my witness | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
testimonies because the witness occurred a few months outside of the | :46:26. | :46:27. | |
statute limitations. But I took advantage evidence, along | :46:28. | :46:38. | |
with video taped testimony, which included my agent, and the therapist | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
whom I was assigned in 1992 when I came out of the hospital, having | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
been admitted for suicide attempts. And I even put some production | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
assistance from the Cosby show in video stats, and I took this | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
evidence with me this video testimonies of my witnesses to the | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
legislative offices in Sacramento, California, the Senate and Council | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
officers and I showed them when we were lobbying and campaigning, to | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
abolish the statute of limitations on rape prosecution in California, | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
to show them the absolute travesty that a rape victim, no matter how | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
much time has passed, can still have hard evidence like me, because I am | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
an archivist, and yet be barred by this arbitrary timeline from | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
achieving justice. What we pointed out as part of our argument is that | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
abolishing the statute of limitations does not change the | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
burden of proof. You still have to have, as a victim, you still have to | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
have enough evidence to prove your case beyond any reasonable doubt. So | :47:51. | :47:59. | |
all this speaking out that I and the other 60 Cosby survivors have done, | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
even if it doesn't affect a positive result for us in the trial, even if | :48:05. | :48:13. | |
Bill Cosby is found innocent, at the very least what we have done is that | :48:14. | :48:22. | |
we have empowered other rape survivors, changing antiquated, | :48:23. | :48:24. | |
patriarchal, misogynistic law. We will also eliminate the fact that | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
the American justice system is slanted towards protecting the | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
perpetrator. The jury selection begins today. We're going to leave | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
that they are. That was Lily Brainard. | :48:37. | :48:37. | |
Coming up, the Green Party has accused the Conservatives | :48:38. | :48:39. | |
of "launching a war on young people". | :48:40. | :48:40. | |
Conservative plans to change how social care is funded in England | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
could be derailed by councils, a former minister has warned. | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
The party wants to include the value of someone's home when deciding how | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
much they must pay towards care at home - but allow them | :48:53. | :48:55. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith is here. | :48:56. | :48:57. | |
This hinges on whether councils allow people to defer their | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
payments. Yes. Under the package of reforms unveiled by Theresa May, she | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
is saying that people ought to be able to meet their care costs by in | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
effect using their home to pay for it but there are home not having to | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
be sort of salt until after they have died. That would mean the local | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
authority is basically having the wherewithal to put that sort of | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
process in place, and all the research that has been done by the | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
former pensions minister suggests that many local authorities need to | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
get up to speed to implement those reforms. And that really is on top | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
of what we have seen is a huge row over the reforms unveiled by Mrs | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
May, which many in her own party seemed to be deeply uncomfortable | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
about. Certainly many in the charitable sector, pensions groups, | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
they are deeply uneasy. And the reason is this. Everyone by and | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
large has signed up to the idea of having a cap on the amount that | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
people would have to pay for their care costs. Andrew Dilnot was told | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
to think what to do about the social care problem and is and serve was | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
putting a cap on the amount that people have to pay, because at the | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
moment you could keep paying literally hundreds of thousands of | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
pounds. There was a broad political consensus, let's go for a cap of | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
about ?72,000 and after that the staple will step in. After that, | :50:23. | :50:28. | |
Theresa May has torn that up saying that we will not go for a cap but we | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
will go for a floor. What that means is that ?100,000 will be the new | :50:33. | :50:39. | |
means test. In other words if you have less than ?100,000, you are | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
fine, and the state will pay for you. However, if you have got more | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
than ?100,000, everything above that will have to be spent on social care | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
until you are only left with ?100,000. Why is there a row about | :50:53. | :51:00. | |
this? Well, because for most homeowners, not massively wealthy | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
homeowners, that means they will end up paying for their care. How so? | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
Well, if you think that the average house price is about ?250,000, so | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
not a massively extravagant house, that is the average value. ?250,000, | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
you would have to spend ?150,000 of the value of your house until you | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
were left with just ?100,000, at that means test level. So the big | :51:25. | :51:30. | |
row is the way middle-class, better off families, homeowners, they would | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
by and large been left picking up the tab themselves and poorer | :51:35. | :51:37. | |
families, yes, they will receive some protection because the means | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
test has been raised to ?100,000, but the other thing about it is that | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
this tends to penalised people suffering from one particular | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
illness, predominantly dementia, because if you suffer from cancer or | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
other conditions like that, the NHS will pile in and look after you. If | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
you suffer from mental health problems, and you have a house, you | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
are pretty much on your own. It is hugely controversial. Talking to | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
those around Mrs May this morning, they are adamant that they will not | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
back off and the policy will stay. There will be consultation to look | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
of minor tweaks but they are determined not to rethink the | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
fundamentals of this policy. Thank you very much, Noren. -- Normanton. | :52:23. | :52:29. | |
Well we did ask the Conservatives to take part in a discussion | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
But they released a statement saying: | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
"Our plan strengthens the Social Care system with more | :52:36. | :52:37. | |
and sustainable funding to cope with these long term pressures - | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
and ensures nobody has to sell their home to pay | :52:41. | :52:42. | |
Not to act or just to play politics with the issue is irresponsible. | :52:43. | :52:50. | |
Instead, we have chosen to act in the national interest. Let's talk to | :52:51. | :52:51. | |
Catherine West from Labour. And Norman Lamb is the Lib Dems' | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
health spokesman and our political guru Norman Smith | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
is in Westminster. The issue today hinges on whether | :53:01. | :53:08. | |
councils will allow people to defer their payments. According to the | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
freedom of information requests, some councils in England have not | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
signed any agreements to allow people to do that and in some other | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
areas, more than 100 have been signed. It is a real patchwork and | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
that is part of the problem. Since 2010, local authorities have not | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
really been equipped to design a system which works. So we have a | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
postcode lottery. That is why we read like to see it much there in | :53:33. | :53:40. | |
the taxpayer system, in the same way that NHS services are paid for, so | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
that people with long-term conditions do not have to suffer | :53:45. | :53:47. | |
disproportionately compared to people with other illnesses. Norman | :53:48. | :53:50. | |
Lamont, why should people not paid for their own pay costs when they | :53:51. | :53:59. | |
have assets like houses. -- Norman Lamb. Well, I think that what Andrew | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
Dilnot said was that this was a market failure. In every aspect of | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
our lives, we are able to protect ourselves against catastrophic loss | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
but here, we're not. The great value of the cap on care clause, which I | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
took through Parliament, and I did it with Jeremy Hunt, but they have | :54:17. | :54:23. | |
now abandoned it. The value of the cap on care costs was that everyone | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
was protected against catastrophic loss. That has now been abandoned by | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
the Conservatives and all those people who are receiving care at | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
home, very many of them who are currently receiving it for free or | :54:35. | :54:41. | |
at a low-cost, they now face charges of ?15,000 a year, typically, if you | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
have complex fees, it could be way higher than that. The great | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
unfairness is that if you are a millionaire with cancer, you will | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
get all of your health costs paid for through the NHS, but if you are | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
someone with dementia, perhaps in a small semi, you lose everything you | :54:59. | :55:05. | |
have got. You do not lose everything at all. Your assets, ?100,000 will | :55:06. | :55:11. | |
be protected. You can pass that on to your beneficiaries. But here is a | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
thing. Is it really protected? Because they have answered no | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
questions and it is extraordinary that they have not come on to debate | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
this this morning. They have said nothing about whether the hundred | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
thousand pounds will have to be used to pay for ongoing accommodation | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
costs. That was not included in the cap. So you could end up paying | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
loads more money, you could pay interest charges on the loan that | :55:36. | :55:38. | |
you have taken out to cover these costs. And so I have no belief at | :55:39. | :55:46. | |
all but ?100,000 will actually be genuinely protected. OK, well that | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
is what they say, they say assets of ?100,000 and under will be | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
protected. Well, that is care costs but what about the accommodation | :55:57. | :55:58. | |
costs and other costs? If anybody wants to challenge this can sign -- | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
anybody wants to challenge this can sign up to our website to end this | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
outrageous tax. Catherine West, what the Conservatives say is that this | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
is finally a sustainable solution. They have tackled a really, really | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
difficult issue which successive governments have ducked, effectively | :56:21. | :56:23. | |
and finally they have come up with a solution. It's true that the Tory | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
spokesman yesterday on the BBC said yesterday that he thought ?100,000 | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
was about right. If you have four or five children, that is about right | :56:31. | :56:38. | |
but is it really in the government's remit to be saying what people | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
should inherit or not? That is not a Tory idea. It is odd for him to be | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
laying down the law as to what people can and cannot inherit. I | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
think this tax is very damaging and it takes away the sense that we all | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
contribute as well because we do not know who will get dementia, who will | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
have a long-term mental health problem. I think part of the problem | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
is that when Norman Lamb was in government they cut about ?4 billion | :57:00. | :57:06. | |
from the purse, from social care, so that is why we have this crisis now. | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
Had we continued to fund that properly, we would not be in this | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
mess. Do you accept that the Lib Dems are partially responsible for | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
taking out ?4.6 billion from social care from 2010 onwards? In 2010 we | :57:19. | :57:24. | |
were faced by a deficit of ?160 billion a year and if you carry on | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
without addressing that, it is always the most vulnerable people in | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
society who will suffer the most. But it was the Lib Dems who | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
negotiated to introduce the cap on care costs, to protect people | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
against catastrophic loss. That has now been abandoned. It is the Lib | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
Dems who are now saying that ?6 billion extra for the NHS and care, | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
through a penny on tax... You cannot have it both ways as a Liberal | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
Democrat, be honest. I have been straightforward. We went through | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
tight budget settlements in those first few years to get the budget | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
deficit sorted out. But now it is absolutely clear that the NHS is on | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
its knees. That is why we are seeing an extra penny on income tax for the | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
NHS and the care system, but we are also seeing implement the cap on | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
care costs. We did what we were advised to do by Andrew Dilnot and | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
now the Conservatives have abandoned it. Theresa May is due to come to | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
Norfolk soon. I challenge her to meet with me, to debate these issues | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
and to answer key questions that affect very many older people who | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
now face substantial costs. Thank you very much. Norman Lamb, | :58:34. | :58:41. | |
Catherine West, thank you. I know that Andrew Neale is due to | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
interview the Prime Minister this week and no doubt he will ask about | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
that. We asked the Conservatives to take part in our conversation this | :58:49. | :58:51. | |
morning but they said they were not able to. They released a statement | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
saying they have chosen to act in the national interest. | :58:57. | :58:57. | |
By the way we're going to be in Dunstable in Bedfordshire | :58:58. | :58:59. | |
on Monday 29th May for a big election audience debate. | :59:00. | :59:02. | |
If you've made up your mind already who you're going to vote for, | :59:03. | :59:11. | |
you're still deciding or don't think you'll bother voting, | :59:12. | :59:13. | |
and would like the chance to share your views and grill senior | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
politicians on their policies - get in touch to apply for a place. | :59:17. | :59:19. | |
More details on our facebook and twitter pages. | :59:20. | :59:22. | |
Let's get the latest weather update - with Ben Rich. | :59:23. | :59:24. | |
Good morning. Thank you very much. If you like warm weather, I think | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
you will like this week. By the end of the week, some places could be | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
close to 30 degrees. It certainly started off in a promising fashion | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
with this weather watcher in north-east Scotland. Some beautiful | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
Sunrisers across the country. It will be largely drives through the | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
week ahead. As I have mentioned, it will be turning very warm. Pretty | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
warm through the rest of the day. The best of the sunshine towards | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
southern and south-eastern areas. More cloud across North England and | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
Wales. Maybe the odd splash of rain across Northern Ireland will bring | :59:59. | :00:04. | |
rain at times. 17 degrees in Glasgow but maybe 25 or 26 in London. | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
Through this evening we will see heavy rain across the northern part | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
of Scotland. Some gusty winds as well. Further south, largely dry. | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
Thicker cloud pushing him. That means that tomorrow across parts of | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
Wales it will be grey and murky for costs and hills. Away from here, | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
largely dry story with some sunshine. Not as warm as today but | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
by the end of the week, those temperatures will be up into the | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
high 20s and maybe close to 30 degrees. | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Hello. It's Monday. | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
It's 10am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
Our exclusive investigation has found that a police inquiry | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
into deaths at a mental health trust could look into up to 20 suicides. | :00:47. | :00:56. | |
The police report says Matthew was taken to a place of safety. He was | :00:57. | :01:04. | |
it was the most unsafe place he could have been and I remember him | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
texting me saying, "Mum, please let me come home. I'm in hell here." | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
We'll be talking to a woman whose mum took her own life on day release | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
Facebook guidelines for moderators have been leaked to The Guardian. | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
They appear to show some tolerance of bullying, violent threats | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
And rap star Drake scooped 13 prizes at last night's Billboards awards, | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :01:29. | :01:38. | |
The Conservatives have been warned that their plans to fund | :01:39. | :01:50. | |
social care in England could fail, because of problems with how some | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
councils administer the existing system of deferred payments. | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
The insurer Royal London said responses from 140 authorities | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
to a freedom of information request showed that - in some places - | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
people appeared not to be aware they could postpone paying | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
Labour is promising that English students who start university | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
courses in England this autumn won't have to pay tuition fees - | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
Labour has already pledged to abolish fees from 2018, | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
but says it wants to discourage those sitting their exams now | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
The Conservatives say more students than ever | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
from disadvantaged backgrounds are getting into university. | :02:19. | :02:28. | |
People have until just before midnight tonight to register to vote | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
More than two million people have joined the register in the month | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
since Theresa May revealed there would be a snap election. | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
In the 2015 general election, nearly half a million people left it | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
Donald Trump will arrive in Israel this morning, on the second leg | :02:41. | :02:50. | |
The US President will meet both Israeli | :02:51. | :03:06. | |
and Palestinian leaders - with peace talks dominating the agenda. | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
Mr Trump has called an Israeli-Palestinian peace | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
agreement "the ultimate deal", but so far has been vague | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
A police inquiry into an NHS-run mental health unit in Essex | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
is investigating up to twenty deaths, this programme has learnt. | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
It follows a fresh probe into the death of Matthew Leahy, | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
who was found hanged at the Linden Centre | :03:23. | :03:23. | |
His mother Melanie told the BBC there was no care plan in place | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
for him when he was admitted to the centre. | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
Essex Police say they are "conducting initial enquiries | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
into a number of deaths" at the centre. | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
Two men arrested by Humberside Police over the disappearance | :03:36. | :03:37. | |
of a woman who went missing after dropping her daughter off | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
at school have been charged with conspiring to cause grievous | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
Majid Mustafa and Robert Lipinski will appear before Hull Magistrates' | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
Renata Antczak was last seen walking near her home in Hull | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
Police have searched several addresses in the city and have | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
appealed for information about her disappearance. | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
A diamond ring bought for ?10 at a car-boot sale 30 years ago | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
is expected to fetch ?350,000 at auction. | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
The owner believed the large white diamond was a piece of costume | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
jewellery when she bought it in the 1980s. | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
She wore the spectacular stone for decades without | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
realising its true value - even doing the chores with it on. | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
Some more messages from you about being treated at various mental | :04:27. | :04:35. | |
health trustsment Laura on Facebook says, "I was treated appallingly at | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
a hospital unit in London and I was later diagnosed with PDST. It | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
devastates me to hear of others coping with a lack of care and the | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
suicides that families have had to endure." | :04:48. | :04:54. | |
"I feel frustrated that nothing is being done." Lynn says, "My husband | :04:55. | :05:02. | |
was in the Linden and whilst there a woman walked out and took her own | :05:03. | :05:10. | |
life. My son went to the Linden Centre. They sent him away so many | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
times. They begged him to help him. I feel they have let him down." | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
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Arsene Wenger says his love for Arsenal cannot be questioned | :05:28. | :05:37. | |
after they failed to finish in the top four for | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
They finished fifth despite beating Everton 3-1 yesterday. | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
Wenger once again refused to comment on his future after the match, | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
although he did admit that the constant speculation | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
We had a spell during the season where it was very difficult. My | :05:48. | :05:54. | |
personal situation had certainly an influence at some stage on the group | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
as well and we played in a very hostile environment through the | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
second part of the season and that didn't help and overall I believe | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
that the players came back in a very strong togetherness. | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
Liverpool held on to fourth place, thanks to a 3-0 win over | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
Middlesbrough, so they'll go into Champions League qualifying | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
We fought for each yard the whole season. I'm really happy about this. | :06:16. | :06:30. | |
I thought that's a sign. We should have given all our supporters a | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
round and what a wonderful day for us. | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
A lot of discussion around this this morning. | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
it was always going to be an emotional farewell | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
for John Terry yesterday - his final game for Chelsea - | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
but in reality it all became rather theatrical. | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
The game was halted in the 26th minute - | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
Terry's shirt number in case you were wondering - | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
But as he left the pitch, he was given a guard of honour. | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
Afterwards, he admitted, it was all his idea. | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
Incredible for the players to do that. I've got the relationship with | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
the manager to be able to kind of have them discussions anyway and to | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
go out on 26th minute of my shirt number, to leave the way I'm | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
leaving. If ever there was a case to be leaving, this is the way. | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
Celtic are the first side in more than a century to go an entire | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
season without losing a game in the Scottish top flight. | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
They secured the title some seven weeks ago and they signed off | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
with a 2-0 win over Hearts, before getting their hands | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
Celtic are still in line to win the treble with the Scottish Cup | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
Wicketkeeper Sarah Taylor has been named in the England squad for | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
She rejoined the camp last month after taking a year-long break | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
Heather Knight has been named as captain. | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
England's first match is against India on 24th June. | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
There's been a huge blow to the British and Irish Lions | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
as they prepare to head out on their tour of New Zealand. | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
Number eight Billy Vunipola will not be going. | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
He has been managing a shoulder injury but it now | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
Wasps and England back row James Haskell will | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
I'll have more in the next half hour. | :08:08. | :08:15. | |
This programme has been told that a police inquiry into deaths | :08:16. | :08:24. | |
at a mental health trust could investigate up to 20 cases. | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
It follows fresh investigations into the death of Matthew Leahy, | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
who was found hanged at Linden Centre in 2012. | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
His mother, Melanie Leahy, said her talks with Essex Police | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
suggested the cases had taken place in the last 17 years. | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
Our reporter Simon Cox has been investigating. | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
We played you his full report earlier, here's a short extract. | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
Matthew Leahy, a bright, sporty student. | :08:52. | :09:00. | |
In his teens, he began smoking cannabis and having hallucinations. | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
By 2012, his mental health had spiralled. Matthew was a patient | :09:04. | :09:11. | |
at the Linden Centre, run by the North Essex | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
A week after being admitted, the centre phoned his mum. | :09:14. | :09:28. | |
"Matthew's been found hanging, it doesn't look good." | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
I couldn't breathe, I fell to the floor on my knees. | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
Just 20 when he died, at his inquest the jury | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
Each patient supposedly has a care plan, and it came to light that | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
Matthew had no care plan, he had no key worker, no-one knew, | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
for two days there wasn't even any observation sheets, | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
The police report says, "Matthew was taken to a place of safety." | :09:48. | :09:58. | |
It was the most unsafe place he could have been. | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
I remember him texting me, "Mum, please let me come | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
The inquest jury said Matthew had been subjected to a series | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
of multiple failings and missed opportunities over | :10:14. | :10:14. | |
After the inquest, the coroner suggested that the Trust told | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
a public inquiry into Matthew's death, but they said it would be too | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
expensive and it would take money away from frontline services. | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
We've learned Essex Police have launched an investigation | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
into deaths at the Linden Centre going back to the year 2000. | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
Now, the police won't say exactly how many cases they're looking at, | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
but one source has told us that it could be as many as 20 | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
The Trust said it was improving systems to ensure investigations | :10:40. | :10:47. | |
are carried out rigorously and thoroughly, and that | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
learning shared across the entire organisation. | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
They are also undertaking a full ligature ordered, | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
They are also undertaking a full ligature audit, | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
removing items that could be used by patients to take their own lives. | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
That's what Melanie Leahy's trying to ensure, by supporting other | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
families going through the same trauma she faced. | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
At the coroner's court, she's meeting another member | :11:15. | :11:16. | |
of the club, Lisa Morris, whose son Ben hung himself | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
I do believe Ben's death is one of the 20-odd | :11:20. | :11:28. | |
that they are looking into, and that makes me angry as well. | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
Since 2000, Ben's death, that's 17 years ago. | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
at the Linden Centre restore trust for the grieving families, | :11:38. | :11:48. | |
whose relatives died in the place they were supposed to be safe? | :11:49. | :11:58. | |
Essex Partnership University NHS Foundation Trust which was | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
the North Essex Partnership NHS Trust at the time of the deaths told | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
us, "The history of serious incidents of self-harm | :12:07. | :12:08. | |
at the Linden Centre is a matter of great concern that the Trust has | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
already recognised must be addressed and that it had set | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
aside significant funding so it was ready to take prompt | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
actions following the results of an audit of risks | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
of patients using ligatures to take their own lives." | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
Her mum Valerie took her own life in October 2015 while on day release | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
from a different hospital run by what was then | :12:34. | :12:35. | |
Deborah Coles is from the charity Inquest which contributed | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
to a Care Quality Commission enquiry into hospital deaths | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
And Sean Duggan is the Chief Executive Officer | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
of the Mental Health Network which represents NHS Trusts. | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
Tanya has joined us too. It is not her real name. She is a former nurse | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
who worked at the Linden Centre. Tanya, thank you very much for | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
getting in touch with us. Tell us your own experience. I just want to | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
say firstly this doesn't relate to all psychiatric nurses across the | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
area. We have a really, really hard job. My experience dates back to | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
when the Linden Centre first opened and I worked there. I pointed out on | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
various occasions that there are many flaws where people could | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
self-harm. In fact, I now suffer from post traumatic distress after a | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
violent incident after discovering someone who had died and I have not | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
worked since and I have been ill myself. I had no support in the day | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
we had a debriefing After the incident. A consultant said, "As | :13:45. | :13:53. | |
long as we don't... INAUDIBLE | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
Sorry, I didn't hear the last sentence. As long as we have no more | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
than three deaths we have met our quota. As long as it had no more | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
than three deaths a year? Yes. And I'm waiting to go to the doctor now. | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
I have only come out of hospital myself recently again after trying | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
to take my own life, but because I was in hospital, it reminded, the | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
smells remachineded me of the Linden Centre that it wasn't doing me any | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
favours in there. Tanya, thank you very much. Thank you for getting in | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
touch. Not all nurse are bad though. No. No. No. Oh my gosh, absolutely. | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
That goes without saying. Thank you very much, Tanya. | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
Essex Partnership University NHS Foundation Trust which was | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
the North Essex Partnership NHS Trust at the time of the deaths told | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
us, "The history of serious incidents of self-harm | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
at the Linden Centre is a matter of great concern that the Trust has | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
already recognised must be addressed." | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
President Trump has landed in Israel and we may interrupt our | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
conversation to show you live pictures. | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
'S depression. It got worse in about 2013. -- tell us about your mother's | :15:10. | :15:18. | |
depression. It had been ongoing and never diagnosed about exactly what | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
it was. But it was a recurrent depressive disorder, definitely. And | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
she did attempt suicide in 2013. She was a hospital until 2015, when she | :15:30. | :15:41. | |
did commit suicide. On day release. And trust have investigated the | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
circumstances. Have you had the outcome of that report yet? There | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
was one serious incident report that was found to be inadequate, which | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
cost us a lot of stress and went on for a long time. It was not really | :15:54. | :16:01. | |
independent. That was investigated by Verita and was found to be not | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
adequate for purpose. That impeded on the inquest because we had no | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
incident reports to take to the inquest, so there were problems | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
there. They were just going to leave it at that and say they had learnt | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
lessons but we insisted they redo the inquest, the serious incident | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
report, to make sure it was done properly, to make sure they could | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
actually do it. We are still waiting and we have just actually been put | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
back again on it, so we wrote a big complaint, which now hopefully we | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
will meet someone higher up in the trusts to see why they cannot even | :16:35. | :16:43. | |
do a serious incident report. And Deborah, how shocking is it that | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
this number of people have been able to take their own life at a | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
particular centre run by one mental health trust? I think the family | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
summed it up. You expect to go into a mental health setting and be safe. | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
For repeated deaths to happen under similar circumstances, to me that | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
highlights the fundamental problems with the way in which these deaths | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
are investigated. The fact that they are not independently investigated, | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
that families are very often not involved, but importantly it shows a | :17:15. | :17:16. | |
shocking lack of learning and accountability, and a failure of | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
governance and leadership. And that, I think, also begs questions about | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
the regulator, the Care Quality Commission. Bipin for various | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
recommendations for this particular trust to improve. They did, but you | :17:31. | :17:38. | |
have to monitor and ensure that those recommendations have been | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
commented. I think that is the biggest frustration and distress for | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
the families, to know that they have suffered a death and they hoped | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
action would be taken to prevent similar deaths, only to find out | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
that another person has died in almost identical circumstances. | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
There are questions across the NHS, and for the CQC, as to how the | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
situation at this hospital was able to happen. Sean Dodd, what is the | :18:06. | :18:14. | |
situation with staffing at these mental health units? They have a lot | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
of staff, and many hospitals have the required amount of nurses and | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
hospital doctors. But in other parts, they're finding it difficult | :18:23. | :18:30. | |
to recruit. Staffing is a difficult issue for many services. And some | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
are understaffed. Some are using more agencies and we would like in | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
the balance between that is important. If you have permanent | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
staff, but now the patients, that is something we would strive for, but I | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
would like to say little bit about the mental health context because I | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
think it is important to set the scene on how we resolve things | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
moving forward. It has been known for decades that mental health has | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
been an underinvested part of the health in total. And that successive | :18:56. | :19:03. | |
governments, three years ago there was an independent task force around | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
mental health, that was supposed to look at issues like this, preventing | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
suicide, better health care for children, and that came up with a | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
five-year plan. We are to make years into that and there has been some | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
difficulty in getting the money into NHS trusts. But it is now starting | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
to come through. For the next government, it is absolutely | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
essential that that is committed to. And the investment needs to go | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
through because it is linked directly with workforce. There is a | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
lack of money, of course, which makes it more difficult to get the | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
workforce right. This is not going to be a reassurance to Sofia and I | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
am sorry about that but that is the context of mental health. Let me | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
read an e-mail from Cassie. She says I spent a brief amount of time in | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
the Linden Centre four years ago and they saved my life. I cannot fault | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
the environment. I feel sad for the families who have lost loved ones, | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
and ogle the centre should be a safe place, it will not stop someone | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
determined to end their life. They will do anything they can. -- and | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
although the centre. Sandra says, my son was admitted to the Linden | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
Centre on many occasions over the last ten years. My son was left | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
unattended and the staff were disengaged. He was at high risk. The | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
patients also had to sleep on the floor under were not enough beds. | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
Aaron us as well. Good morning. You are at the Linden Centre three | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
times. Tell us about the care that you received. I cannot praise them | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
enough. It is an extremely difficult job for them to do. Because when you | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
are hell-bent on trying to commit suicide, nothing will stop you. It | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
is really, really horrible. It is not a nice place to be, and the | :20:53. | :21:00. | |
staff themselves were lovely. But like I say, you cannot get into the | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
brain of the person who is trying to do it to just give them instructions | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
to stop. It took me out of normal life. And it does calm me down a | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
lot, but you cannot live there forever. Sure, but do you feel that | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
if it was not for the way you were cared for at the Linden Centre, you | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
perhaps would not be here now? That's right. I would say that | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
without their help I most probably would not be here. Thank you very | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
much for getting in touch. I have one more message here from Alice. | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
Depression and suicidal behaviour are a far bigger issue than society | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
would like to admit. The blame falls on caregivers and failing | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
institutions with a real conversation is being ignored. | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
Treatments are ineffective and often the side effects outweigh the | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
benefits. Psychological intervention is not accessible enough and is not | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
offered and young enough ages. We need to take a long, hard look at | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
how we treat this type of illness because the numbers keep rising and | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
resources are becoming more scarce. Becky very much, all of you. I'm | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
sorry, did you want to say something? I would like to say that | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
there is this myth that people cannot be stopped from committing | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
suicide. That is the problem. Years ago, there used to be a silence that | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
were places of safety, and they would have long-term care. Nowadays, | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
there is no long-term care. And also, people are left. My mother was | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
a voluntary patient and although there have been things with law, and | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
nobody is protecting the voluntary patient. They can come and go with | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
impunity, which is what happened with my mother. Although some of the | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
staff are brilliant and some lives are saved, there is definitely more | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
that can be done. And in history, we look back and say, what was going | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
on, why were so many people dying he did not have to die in this time. | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
Thank you all of you for coming on the programme. | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
The deadline to register to vote closes at midnight tonight - | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
with fresh warnings that young people won't be properly represented | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
when the UK goes to the polls - because not enough have either | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
register or say they're even going to vote. | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
Radio 1 Newsbeat's politics editor Jonathan Blake is here. | :23:18. | :23:25. | |
Actually... In your opinion, how do you think Brexit will affect you and | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
other young people in the next ten years? There is plenty of passion | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
for politics here in Cardiff. In exchange for free coffee, these | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
young voters are talking about the issues most important to them. | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
Democracy cafe events have been held around the UK as a way of | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
encouraging younger people to register to vote. I think the main | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
reason young people do not vote is because they feel as though they do | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
not know enough or they feel as though they have not had enough life | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
experience to merit being able to vote. We are easy to leave out. We | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
are easy to let down because we do not kick up a fuss. We should be let | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
down if we are not on the register because let's be honest, why would | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
they allow us to have those if we do not register? A lot of people in | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
Brexit, they surround themselves with group of friends who were all | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
remainders or were all going to leave. Everybody was surprised by | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
the result. We are keeping in our own safe spaces, and we are not | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
challenging each other. But for a lot of young people politics is | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
still a no-go zone. This drum and bass group, currently working on a | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
new album, are taking time out to encourage younger people to register | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
to vote, hoping that music will help them get the message. When I was | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
young I did not feel like we could do much. I did not feel like I had | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
much control to change anything because so many people are voting, | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
and I think it is important for me to educate myself, and work out what | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
options I had. That took a while and I did not really thought until I was | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
26. I never voted myself and this is the first time I will be voting. I | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
think if we can show our fans, the people that follow us, that it is | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
actually, you can make a difference. I was really inspired and I think it | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
is important to at least look at what is out there. Politics is so | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
important, it seems like such a horrible word, but what it means is | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
our everyday lives, it is the way our lives are going to be governed, | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
the way we're to live. So to vote, to use your vote, to register to | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
vote is everyday life. Rage is key to rap. You have to understand that. | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
You have that fire in your belly.. Brown often talks politics on stage | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
and tries in his music to reflect real life. -- Doc Brown. He is | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
trying to use his voice to encourage people to vote. It is something | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
close to my heart and I feel like kids and people in their late teens | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
and early 20s, these are the freshest voices in the country. | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
These are people that might actually have some good ideas on where we go | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
next. Regardless of what government it is, Labour, Conservative, Ukip, | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
whoever runs the country, we are inevitably ruled by people in the | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
latter stages of their life. No disrespect to people of that age, | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
but they do things in a certain way. And it would be quite interesting to | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
see what people under 25 want to say and want to do, and how they view | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
our country, how they view our future, because they are the future. | :26:41. | :26:49. | |
This site, its job is to give you an overview of what the options are in | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
the election. Technology is playing a part in making some people -- up | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
in some people make up their mind. This site is one of many helping | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
voters to cut through the noise and find out how effective they are | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
thought to be. In this instance a nurse and has entered their vote and | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
they want to go for a hard Brexit. This is compiling a number of pieces | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
of information, matching your view, looking at the chances of success | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
and weighing up what could or could not happen, and giving you a total | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
score. If you want to cast a vote on June eight, there is a good chance | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
that you would achieve what it is you wanted to do. The parties | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
epitope manifestos telling us what they will do in government and | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
people can read those, but it seems like you have found a gap, which is | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
cutting through all that information, those promises, and | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
people need that and want it, it seems. This is commonly known as | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
voter advice applications or VAAs, but they are not new. They have been | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
around since the 1980s but we think they have come into the fourth front | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
because we can do this faster, or previously we would have needed a | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
massive team of researchers to do this. -- they have come into the | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
forefront. This election is, as a shock and many are hoping that the | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
number of voters taking part will also be a surprise. How many adults | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
bother to vote? Not many. In the last election in 2015, we concede | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
that among 18-24 year olds, 43% of people turned out to vote. If you | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
compare that with pensioners, 78% over-65s. The overall turnout, 66%. | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
Young people voting with below the average numbers. In terms of those | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
registering, which will give us an indication of how many might vote | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
this time around, since the election was called, 2 million people in | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
total, roughly, have registered to vote and around 600,000 under 25 is. | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
We would expect a larger proportion of those registered to be younger | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
because they have turned 18, perhaps they have moved away to university | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
or back home. But the Electoral Commission estimates that there are | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
7 million people in total who are not registered so that deadline is | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
coming tonight. There may well be a last-minute rush. 7 million people | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
will not register by midnight. They might struggle. We might see | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
problems with the website to that happens. But we have seen a spiked | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
because they by Dave the government has been updating the figures online | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
for the number of people registering. If we look at this | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
snapshot from yesterday, we can see a big spike. 90,000 people under 25 | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
registering to vote yesterday alone. So as the midnight deadline | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
approaches, we will probably see that rising higher. The first past | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
the post system is one reason why people often say, there is no point | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
because Marvel does not count. Explain what the first past the post | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
system is and why it affects voter numbers. The system is what we have | :29:48. | :29:55. | |
in this country, or by one party has to get past more than half the seats | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
of Parliament to form a government. As soon as they have done that, they | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
are in charge. What we hear from you people talking about politics is | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
just that. I'm not going to vote because it will make no difference. | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
If you live in an area which is a safe Conservative seat or a safe | :30:11. | :30:13. | |
Labour seat, you might think that you like what the greens or Ukip as | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
to say it one of the smaller parties, and your vote may not make | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
a difference because it might make a dent in the majority but it will not | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
be reflected nationally. Obviously arguments for the first past the | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
post system say that it helps us with directorate hesitation in each | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
constituency across the UK. That is one thing that comes up time and | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
time again. If we look at the split from the last general election in | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
2015, you can see why the parties argue differently on this because in | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
terms of Conservative support, it is by far and away from older voters | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
over 65. Almost half. And it has almost flipped between younger | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
voters under 25, almost half to four Labour. And a good deal more support | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
for the smaller parties. How younger people being encouraged to register | :31:03. | :31:03. | |
to vote this time? There is less time it get younger | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
people engage and get them to register to vote. We have seen | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
several campaigns online, takeover of Twitter and Facebook and | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
Instagram if you have tried to post a selfie you might have noticed a | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
special filter coming in encouraging you to register to vote and ways | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
online of trying to engage young people through the issues rather | :31:31. | :31:32. | |
than the parties because that's the way than more than likely they will | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
get encouraged to be involved in politics and to actually be | :31:37. | :31:46. | |
motivated to vote. And you're taking part in the Newsbeat vote? Yes, we | :31:47. | :31:53. | |
will be in Manchester on 6th June with an audience of 120 young | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
people, representatives from the seven major parties and we will be | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
live on the BBC One after the news that night. | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
President Trump has arrived in Israel. He is due to meet Israeli | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
and Palestinian leaders and visit a until of holy sites. Let's watch | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
some of it with our correspondent who is there for BBC World. | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
Israelis are going to mark Jerusalem Day. That's the day when they | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
celebrate the anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem as they | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
see it when it was captured in the 1967 Middle East war. This year, | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
because it is the 50th anniversary, Mr Trump will see from his hotel in | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
Jerusalem that there are celebrations taking place with a | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
nightly light show for example. So it will be hard for him to miss that | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
and hard for him to miss the significance of that, but the | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
indications are from officials at the moment on the American side that | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
there will not be the embassy move at this time. We have been closely | :32:51. | :32:58. | |
following, of course... We have got the live pictures. We are watching | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
closely. I wonder if we can keep you with us for a moment what the | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
reaction was in Israel to President Trump's visit to Saudi, particularly | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
the comments he made, the criticism that he made of Iran yesterday? | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
Well, of course, Israel sees Iran as being it's enemy. It is extremely | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
worried about its nuclear programme although there was concern among | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
Israeli politicians about the arms deals that President Trump was | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
signing with Saudi Arabia, at the same time, there was some acceptance | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
that this could be something that's important to Israel as well. I think | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
that's something that President Trump will be trying to stress on | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
this trip, but there are common security concerns between the Sunni | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
Arab countries in the Gulf and also between Israel. He's trying to | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
already achieve some kind of thawing in the diplomatic freeze that there | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
has been between them. They have never recognised the Arab countries | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
apart from Jordan and Egypt, the existence of Israel as a state. So, | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
if he can achieve something in terms of finding common ground between | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
them that will be very important. Already, there are some suggestions | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
that security, intelligence is shared when it comes to Iran for | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
example. That's something President Trump is really going to be building | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
on as he continues the political meetings. I should mention too that | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
the Palestinian president was among those leaders who were in Riyadh. | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
That's been cited as another reason why his trip to Bethlehem and to the | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
West Bank will just be a very short one. Of course, Mahmoud Abbas was at | :34:44. | :34:51. | |
the White House earlier this mon. So lots has been going on behind the | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
scenes in advance of this visit to ease things now and we should get a | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
much clearer idea of the shape of US policy towards this part of the | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
Middle East. Absolutely, we're just seeing the | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
red carpet and we can see the Prime Minister and his wife Sarah and the | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
president there too waiting for Mr Trump. But Mr Trump has a large team | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
with him including his incredibly influential son-in-law. What kind of | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
views does he have on the Middle East Peace Process and how could | :35:24. | :35:30. | |
they influence his father-in-law? Well, his son-in-law is senior | :35:31. | :35:38. | |
advisor. He is here with his wife Ivanka Trump. His family is said to | :35:39. | :35:54. | |
have had close relations with the family. His family as well as the | :35:55. | :36:03. | |
family of the new US ambassador to Israel appointed by Mr Trump, his | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
former lawyer, well, they have close associations actually with solicitor | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
of the settlements. In particular, one which is close to ra mullah in | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
the West Bank. So that caused a lot of concern also about what this new | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
administration's policy could be when it comes to settlements and | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
early on, not long after Mr Trump took office we saw thousands of | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
homes being announced in the West Bank and East Jerusalem by the | :36:32. | :36:39. | |
Israelis. That continued until we had that visit of Netanyahu at the | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
White House. That's when Mr Trump said he wanted Mr Netanyahu to hold | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
back a little as he tried to revive peace efforts. It is interesting to | :36:51. | :37:01. | |
see the involvement and one of Mr Trump's aides. He has been here in | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
advance of the visit trying to set-up the political meetings that | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
will take place and go through many of the details. He has been in the | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
region. It was at the Arab summit when I was there a few weeks ago in | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
Jordan at the Dead Sea, having private meetings with the different | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
Arab leaders. So this all gives you a sense of how much this new | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
administration is prioritising this long-standing Middle East conflict | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
as something that it wants to address, even though, of course, | :37:31. | :37:32. | |
there are many other problems in this region that the US has to | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
address as well and of course, despite President Trump's | :37:39. | :37:40. | |
considerable domestic difficulties too. It is a long-standing | :37:41. | :37:52. | |
commitment by the US towards Israel support. | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
Can you tell our viewers about that relationship, about just how much | :37:59. | :38:08. | |
the US supports Israel militarily. There is huge support despite the | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
strange relations between Mr Netanyahu and the previous | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
president, Barack Obama, it was announced during his time in office, | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
a deal that gives $38 billion to Israel over the course of a decade | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
in terms of military aid. So that military... | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
STUDIO: We're going to leave that. Clearly, we were waiting for | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
President Trump to walk down the steps on to the red carpet, but | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
we're leaving that because the Green Party are launching their manifesto | :38:37. | :38:43. | |
this morning. Here is the co-leader. A future that we can all be proud | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
of. Confident because we're creating a resilient and diverse and people | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
powered economy that allows us to live larger lives and cope with the | :38:57. | :39:03. | |
challenges ahead. Caring because we're redefining the Welfare State. | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
Striving to end inequality and committed to redistricting both | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
wealth and power. We have the fifth largest economy in the world. In | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
such a country no renter should have to live in damp, cold or neglected | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
accommodation. No parent should have to compete with other parents to | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
find their child a decent school. No one should have to wait ten hours in | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
an emergency ward before getting the care and attention they need. When I | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
go to my children's school I walk in to the foyer and I'm presented with | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
a huge board right in the middle of the school. Everyone sees it when | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
they come in and on that board are three circles. In those circles is | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
every picture of every child in the school with their name underneath | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
and those children that have made three levels of progress are there | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
in the centre, that's where two of my children are. Those children that | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
have made no progress are pictured on the outside of those circles. | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
Stigmatised for everyone to see. None of my children want that. None | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
of the teachers in their heart of hearts want that. They want an | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
education system that works for everyone. I go to a hospital, as I | :40:24. | :40:30. | |
did last year, and I go with my son as a regular user, I don't want to | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
have to have my hospital appointment cancelled three times, my operation | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
cancelled three times for my son. It's not fair on him. It's not fair | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
on the others. When I go to a basic hospital appointment I don't want to | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
want to wait two hours only for that appointment to be cancelled. We can | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
have a different future. One where we all have the security and the | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
choices we deserve. For a basic income which allows us to fulfil our | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
potential and yes, let's say it, our dreams. No one should tell you that | :41:04. | :41:09. | |
your voice doesn't matter. But when it comes to the biggest decision | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
this country has faced in generations, you will not get a say | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
on whether having seen what life outside the EU will look like we | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
should choose that future or choose to remain. The media, with respect, | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
and the old parties, will tell you that there are only two options on | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
the ballot paper at they election. It's not true. That is a disservice | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
to our democracy. If you believe in a welcoming Britain, a country of | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
compassion, a fair economy where those with the most contribute more, | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
the protection of our countryside, a nation confident enough to build | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
bridges, not walls, then you have a choice. If you believe things can | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
change for the better and that the next generation must be defined by | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
fairness, not foodbanks, then we will give you that choice. If you | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
believe that our future will be defined not by the size of our | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
nuclear arsenal, but by harnessing the enormous potential of the people | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
who live right here in this country, then join us and stand up for what | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
really matters. And on 8th June, choose a positive future and vote | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
Green for a confident and caring Britain. | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan. I'm very, very | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
proud to introduce Caroline Lucas. She's defending to be re-elected as | :42:50. | :42:58. | |
MP for Brighton Pavilion for the second time and she just gets more | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
and more popular as far as I can tell. Thank you very much, Sian. | :43:03. | :43:04. | |
Thank you to everyone for being here. I'm delighted to be with | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
Jonathan and launching this wonderful Green Guarantee and first | :43:11. | :43:24. | |
of all I want to thank Yra. They have been getting behind bold, | :43:25. | :43:31. | |
creative new ideas and shaping the future through brave leadership and | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
by being here today we're choosing a future of opportunities for pioneers | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
and inowe vai fors like them. -- innovators. We are here choosing a | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
new type of economy that meets people's needs and makes sure we | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
protect the environment. A confident and caring Britain that reaches for | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
a bigger future that we can be proud of. The Green Guarantee is about | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
hope and we need hope now like never before. I can't remember a time in | :44:03. | :44:09. | |
my own lifetime where the future has felt more uncertain with Brexit, | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
with accelerating climate change, with an NHS in crisis. We face | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
challenges that we can't possibly pretend to fix in the next 100 days | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
or the next 1,000. Threats to our economic future, threats to our | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
security, threats to our planet. But ours is a message of hope because we | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
believe that if we stand together for what matters, we can change the | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
course of historiment we can meet these enormous challenges. So while | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
other parties ignore the environment, the Greens will protect | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
it. We will continue to set the agenda with bold policies to | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
transform people's lives, with things like a pilot for a basic | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
income scheme and a shorter working weekment we'll protect the NHS. | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
We'll properly fund it, yes, but crucially, we'll also take the | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
private sector out of it. We'll repeal the Health and Social Care | :45:06. | :45:13. | |
Act and replace it with the NHS Eninstatement Act, that's a Bill I | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
have had the pleasure of promoting to Parliament a couple of times. | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
We'll proudly stand up for free movement and we'll give the British | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
people an explicit option to remain part of the EU as part of a | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
ratification referendum on the Brexit deal. Let | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
say a few more words about Brexit, this huge challenge that is facing | :45:33. | :45:39. | |
us. And in our view, this huge threat facing us in terms of the | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
extreme Brexit which Theresa May is pressuring. Let me make this plane, | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
she has no mandate for the type of Brexit Shias pursue in, out of the | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
customs union, leaving key environmental protections behind, | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
leaving the free movement. That was not on the ballot paper. Yes, there | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
was a vote to leave but it is not clear what that leave looks like in | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
practice, which is why we say it is right for the British public to have | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
a vote to leave but it is not clear what that leave looks like in | :46:09. | :46:10. | |
practice, which is why we say it is right for the British public to have | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
the final say on the deal, not just MPs, as Theresa May would have it. | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
It was the British people that started this process and we should | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
be able to look at the small print of the final deal, and if we like | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
it, fine. But if they do not, then they should have, we should have the | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
right to remain inside the EU. And that is what the Green Party is | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
offering. We are also saying to EU nationals who have made their lives | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
here in good faith, that of course your future here should be | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
guaranteed immediately and now, not using them cynically as bargaining | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
chips, as Theresa May is doing. And we are the one party that is proud | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
to stand up for the wonderful gift that is free movement. It is an | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
extraordinary and precious gift to be able to work on travel and live | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
and learn and love in 27 other member states. I want my kids to | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
benefit from that and I want everyone's kids to benefit from | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
that. I want to broaden that out so everyone can benefit. And I feel | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
that in particular it is young people who have been betrayed by | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
this Brexit vote because we know the majority of young people want to | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
stay in side the EU. And in our guarantee today we are talking | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
particularly to young people. We're making a pitch to them saying not | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
just that we think they have been betrayed by the decision on this | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
extreme Brexit, but also they are being burdened by debt. That is why | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
we would scrap tuition fees and we are delighted Labour have caught up | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
with us on that one. It is also why we want to see a genuinely | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
affordable housing, including rent caps and longer tenancies. We are | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
setting up our living rent commission to figure out what would | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
be a reasonable rent, given the cost of living in different areas, rather | :47:49. | :47:51. | |
than making it clear that young people will never be able to save up | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
enough for any kind of deposit because they're possibly paying rent | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
over the odds. But also one of the biggest ways we are letting down | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
young people is on the environment. Last year was the hottest year on | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
record. The 2016 state of nature report said that 60% of species in | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
the UK are in long-term decline and 15% and risk of disappearing from | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
our assurers altogether. We launched an environment manifesto | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
specifically last month and in that we pledged a new environment | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
protection act which would safeguard and enhance the environment upon | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
which we depend for literally everything. It sets out our approach | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
to keep threats like air pollution in check. It is a public health | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
emergency links to the premature deaths of 40,000 in this country and | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
yet it hardly even made it into the Tory manifesto. It sets out the kind | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
of policies we have around investment in renewables, and energy | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
efficiency, keeping fossil fuels in the ground. But crucially it sets | :48:55. | :48:57. | |
out how we would protect that body of EU law that currently protects | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
the environment and which we need to have safeguarded and enhanced in a | :49:03. | :49:04. | |
post-Brexit world. We are talking about making sure that that | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
legislation is not from the EU to the UK statute books but that it is | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
properly enforceable. We need the legal architecture there to make | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
sure that in the absence of a European Commission or the European | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
court of justice, we can enforce that law. So Brexit, the | :49:22. | :49:28. | |
environment, the NHS in crisis, we face huge challenges but I am proud | :49:29. | :49:35. | |
that the Green Party is at least beginning to ask those questions and | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
get some of the answers as well. We want to have a debate with you about | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
the kind of answers to these questions that we face today. This | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
election is about what kind of future we want for our children. It | :49:46. | :49:51. | |
is about protecting our values of openness and compassion, of | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
cooperation. It is about our promise that a competent and caring future | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
is possible, if we work together, if we do politics differently, and if | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
we dare to be more ambitious. So the guarantee says that we are ready and | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
we hope you will join us by putting green on June the 8th. Applause. | :50:09. | :50:18. | |
Caroline Lucas will be taking part in a car share later in this | :50:19. | :50:20. | |
programme this week. Drake toppled Adele's record | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
for the most prizes in a single night at the Billboard Music Awards | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
with a total of 13 awards. There is a fantastic photograph of | :50:28. | :50:37. | |
him with all of the awards and it looks like he has Photoshopped them, | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
that is how ridiculous this is. A few years ago, Adele got 12 but now | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
he walks away with 22 nominations, going into this, and he seemed very | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
humbled, as well. We have a clip of him coming up. His head down, he | :50:52. | :50:58. | |
cannot believe it. And then Nicky Minaya, there was a bit of beef | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
between them in the past, -- template. He name checked from the | :51:06. | :51:12. | |
stage. Not many winners apart from them. Beyonce won a few, the female | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
categories, and 21 Pilots in the rock categories. And to be met, she | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
had her 71st birthday on Saturday, and her court was, I was 71 | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
yesterday and I can do a five-minute plank, just saying. How brilliant is | :51:32. | :51:39. | |
that! Do we have a clip of Drake? I have my whole family appear, look at | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
my dad looking sharp. I have got the man that is responsible for me being | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
here. I have a lot of my life up here, too. And I just want to say | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
the mottled tight, Adele, because when the new thing drops, you will | :51:54. | :52:04. | |
come back to take your record back. Not a good night for a British | :52:05. | :52:12. | |
artists. Yes, you tend to see year-on-year that one artist | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
dominates. But as far as the big prizes, all Americans, although Ed | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
Sheeran performed. Internal documents used by Facebook, who | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
trained staff to moderate internal content appears to show that the | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
engine giant is in some places tolerant of violent threats, forms | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
of bullying and live videos of self harm. The information matters | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
because a quarter of the world's population uses Facebook, which | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
seems astonishing. Let's speak to Rory Cellan-Jones. And doctor Rachel | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
O'Connell, an internet safety expert. And a former child safety | :52:49. | :52:58. | |
operator for social networking site, Bebo. Rory, dockers through what has | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
been leaked on what we have learned from these documents. Well, what has | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
been leaked is the internal training documents that are given to these | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
moderators. They are often freelancers, outsourced to different | :53:14. | :53:21. | |
companies, and they are given this course. What is clear is the line | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
that they have to tread between free speech and content which is going to | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
be incredibly offensive to a lot of people. One interesting thing, if | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
you say that someone should Trump, that would be deleted. If it is | :53:37. | :53:43. | |
aimed as a head of state, it is seen as illegal. If you say you want to | :53:44. | :53:46. | |
kill your boyfriend, believed that up because you do not say that -- | :53:47. | :53:54. | |
because that does not appear credible. A lot of people will find | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
this disturbing, but if you put videos of physical abuse to | :54:01. | :54:03. | |
children, nonsexual physical abuse, even that may be allowed up as long | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
as it is not seen as celebrating sadism. So a lot of difficult winds | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
to tread, and what this says to me is that this is the biggest problem | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
Facebook faces, and it is exactly the same kind of problem that a | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
media company faces every day. At the BBC and other big media | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
organisations, we have guidelines, detailed guidelines of what is and | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
isn't allowed. They do, too, and they say they are not a media | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
company. Everybody else will say, yes, you are. On that point, what do | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
you think, because Mark Zuckerberg repeats the refrain that they are | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
not a media company but they publish content and they have guidelines. | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
Exactly, and some other things Rory has pointed out, if you are a parent | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
and you have been reporting that there is a video of your child being | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
abused by other kids, you would be really distressed to find out that | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
that distressed is not really matter and is not taken into account. Also, | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
there seems to be a spurious assumption rather than evidence | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
based, an assumption that a video of a violent death somehow raises | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
awareness of mental illness. That is highly problematic and what the BBC | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
and organisations like the Guardian, for example do, they have a set of | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
content standards which has been developed in partnership with mental | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
health experts. They are transparent about them and the decision-making | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
that underpins those. So Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook's assumption | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
that they are platform and they are not responsible for the content that | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
is put up on their site, that is no longer tenable. If you look at the | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
Leave campaign last year, they spend ?4.7 million on targeted ads | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
directed at people because Facebook has up to 92 different data points | :55:49. | :55:54. | |
about you as a person, your relationship, a psychographic | :55:55. | :55:57. | |
profile of your political leanings and sexuality, and they use that to | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
target people. So on the one hand you cannot be taking money on the | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
basis that you can target information, and at the same time | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
say that we cannot be held responsible because we are just a | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
platform. How do you read these guidelines, what do you take from | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
it? I think you see that it is impossible not to make arbitrary | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
decisions around a lot of this content. I think actually these are | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
really hard decisions to make and you are going to upset people one | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
way or the other. Some of these things, like censorship, censoring | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
something that somebody is saying about Donald Trump, that they want | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
to shoot him, that seems to violate someone's free speech because they | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
are almost certainly making a joke. But it isn't surprising that this | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
stuff is arbitrary. We have known it for years. We have that censorship | :56:51. | :57:01. | |
of Vietcong massacre is, we have had censorship of female breast-feeding, | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
because it shows a nipple. All of this is kind of order. But what are | :57:07. | :57:13. | |
they meant to do at the same time? Well, what do Facebook say in | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
response? They do not say much in public. They say we do our best to | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
tread this line and we have hired another 3000 moderators. Off the | :57:24. | :57:26. | |
record, they are saying that actually what these documents show | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
is how thoughtful a process this is, how much emphasis they have put on | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
getting it right. And I think they would point to last year where they | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
got in trouble for not publishing something disturbing, that famous | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
photograph of that naked girl running down the road in Vietnam, | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
having been hit by napalm. They were slammed for not pushing that, and | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
they change their policy. Thank you, all of you. Before we go, just time | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
to show you some footage of the moment young girl is grabbed by a | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
sea lion in Canada. She was sitting on a dark at the Fishermans wharf in | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
British Columbia before being pulled underwater by the Sea lion. As you | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
can hear, onlookers screamed as the girl momentarily disappeared before | :58:13. | :58:14. | |
she was rescued and pulled to safety. On the programme tomorrow, | :58:15. | :58:25. | |
we will be live in Stranraer. We will hear the issues that matter | :58:26. | :58:28. | |
most to voters there, head of the election next month. Thanks for | :58:29. | :58:31. | |
watching. Have a good day. We're back at 9am. | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
..team them up with a Michelin starred chef, | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
putting their reputation on the line. | :58:39. | :58:41. |