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Hello. It's Monday.

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It's 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

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This programme has learnt that a police inquiry into deaths at a

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mental health trust could investigate up to 20 cases. Just

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said Matthew has been found hanging. It doesn't look good. I couldn't

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breathe. I fell to the floor and my partner took the rest of the call.

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Also this morning, the jury overseeing the Bill Cosby

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sexual assault trial will be sworn in today.

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One of his alleged victims tells us the American

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justice system is slanted towards protecting perpetrators.

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He stood so low to pimp the civil rights struggle to hide behind his

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criminality. Bill Cosby denies the charges

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against him. The Conservatives have been warned that their chaltion to

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the social care in England could fail because of variations in how

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some councils administer the payments. We'll bring you all the

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details. Hello and welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11am. Throughout the morning we'll bring

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you the latest breaking news The Green Party launch

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their general election We'll bring that to you live

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and we'll look at how internal Facebook documents appear to show

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that in some cases its moderators tolerates violent threats,

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bullying and self-harm. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

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and if you text, you will be charged Labour is promising English students

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who start university courses in England this autumn won't have to

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pay tuition fees if the party wins the election. Labour has pledged to

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abolish fees from 2018, but says it wants to discourage those sitting

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their exams now from deferring for a year. The Conservatives say more

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students than ever from disadvantaged backgrounds are

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getting into university. Let's talk to Norman Smith who is at

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Westminster. Fill us in then Norman? This is one of Mr Corbyn's big

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stand-out policies. If you had to name the three big Corbyn policies,

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one would be ending austerity and two nationalising the railways and

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three is scrapping tuition fees. Labour is going further. They're not

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merely talking about passing legislation in 2018 to stop students

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afterwards having to pay, they're saying any youngsters going to

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university this autumn would also not have to pay. So their fees for

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the first year before the legislation comes in, would be

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written off. Anyone who is already a student would no longer have to pay

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any fees even though they have begun university and those who have left

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university and are having to pay back a student loan, the interest

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rate they would have to pay would be hacked back from 6% to just

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inflation. That's around 2.7%. So a significant reduction too in their

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costs. On top of that, they're talking about bringing back

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maintenance grants. That's a really sizeable chunky package for

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students, costing a not insignificant ?11 billion. So that's

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a lot of cash, but speaking this morning the Shadow Education

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Secretary said she thought it was just wrong that youngsters starting

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out in the world should begin with such massive debts if though chose

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to go to university. OK. Let me ask you about social care,

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since the Conservatives launched their manifesto, they have faced

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criticism from all sorts of sectors. What's the latest today? Well sh the

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Tory high command, those around May say they are not backing down and

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not going to re-think the policy, there will be a consultation, but

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that was to look at tweaking the fine details. That is, you know,

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trouble down the line, I have to say because there is a lot of disquiet,

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not just amongst the opposition parties obviously but in the

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charities, in the pensioners groups, in think-tanks, they have almost

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universally criticised the policies and in the Tory Party there are

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sounds of disquiet because the policy which Mrs May has come up

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with is quite good news for poorer families because it raises the

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means-test before you have to contribute to ?100,000. However, if

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you are someone who owns an average house around ?250,000 or more, it is

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not good news because you will almost certainly have to pay for

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your care because what they're saying is, you'll have to pay for

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everything until you're only left with ?100,000. If you have a house

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worth ?250,000 say which is the average you will have to pay the

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first ?150,000 of care before you get down to the ?100,000 limit. It

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is a real hit on middle-class and better off families so there is the

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real row brewing over this change. And the Green Party launch their

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manifesto this morning? They do indeed. Some spiky policies. A lot

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of it is about protecting the environment, probably, you know, no

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surprises there. , I think what might get the headlines are their

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other policies which are to the left of Jeremy Corbyn. They are talking

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about reversing all the privatisation in the NHS, they're

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talking about scrapping Trident completely. Of course, Labour is

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committed to carrying on with Trident and to use the money from

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Trident to invest in the NHS, but two of the policies which I think,

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you know, might interest people most is they're talking about a basic

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income for everyone. In other words everyone regardless of their wealth

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should get a basic state income set just a little above Jobseekers

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allowance at ?80. All other benefits with the exception of disability

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benefits would go, but everyone, everyone, would get this basic

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income of ?80 and they are talking about a shorter working week. Their

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argument being that you know people feel under a lot of pressure, a lot

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of stress. If people worked four days and I think that's what they

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are going to suggest, it would provide more scope for people

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looking for work. Those are radical policies. They are talking about

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phasing those in if they were to form a Government. They are not

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saying it should happen immediately. We will bring you the Green Party

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manifesto launch at 10.30am. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary President Trump will arrive

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in Israel this morning, on the second leg of his

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first overseas tour. He's due to meet both Israeli

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and Palestinian leaders with peace The president has called

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an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement "the ultimate deal",

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but so far has been vague After what some called

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an Islamaphobic start on the campaign trail,

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Donald Trump has met Arab and Gulf leaders and spoken of working

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together with Muslim nations This is not a battle

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between different faiths, different This is a battle between barbaric

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criminals who seek to obliterate Drive them out of your holy land

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and drive them out of this earth. The President has been well

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received in Saudi Arabia. Not least because of his

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tough approach on Iran. Now the business mogul wants

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what he calls the ultimate deal. This morning, he's heading

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for Tel Aviv to begin his bid to find peace between Israel

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and the Palestinians. He'll meet Israel's Prime Minister

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today and the Palestinian President tomorrow, having met both

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already in Washington. There is some doubt

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about whether his unconventional, business-like approach can can

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achieve a peace deal where so many others have failed

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but there is optimism. Reports in the Israeli press,

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quoting White House sources, say President Trump will focus first

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on trying to build confidence between the two sides

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so direct talks can resume. A police inquiry into an NHS-run

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mental health unit in Essex is investigating up to twenty

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deaths, this programme has learnt. It follows a fresh probe

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into the death of Matthew Leahy, who was found hanged

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at the Linden Centre His mother Melanie told the BBC

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there was no care plan in place for him when he was admitted

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to the centre. Essex Police say they are

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"conducting initial enquiries into a number of deaths"

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at the centre. You can see more on that story in a

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few minutes time. Two men arrested by Humberside

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Police over the disappearance of a woman who went missing after

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dropping her daughter off at school. They will appear before Hull

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Magistrates Court later today. The woman was last seen walking near her

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home in Hull four weeks ago. Police have searched several addresses in

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the city and have appealed for information about her disappearance.

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9,000 people who lost money on shares in Royal Bank of Scotland

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begin a High Court action today demanding compensation from the bank

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and four former directors including Fred Goodwin.

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The claimants say they were misled by the bank when it sought to raise

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?12 billion from shareholders in April 2008, a few months before

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it had to be rescued by taxpayers because it was running out of money.

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The bank has said it will defend itself vigorously in court.

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A cheaper pound has led to a surge in American

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The travel website Expedia says it's seen an 80% jump in summer bookings

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to the UK from across the Atlantic between January and March, compared

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American visitors are taking advantage of the 13% fall

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in the value of sterling compared with the dollar since the EU

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A diamond ring bought for ?10 at a car-boot sale 30 years ago

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is expected to fetch ?350,000 at auction.

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The owner believed the large white diamond was a piece of costume

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jewellery when she bought it in the 1980s.

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She wore the spectacular stone for decades without

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realising its true value - even doing the chores with it on!

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Drake won 13 billboard muse k awards beating the previous record of

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Adele. It was a disappointing night for British artists with the only

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awards coming from for Zain Malik and Coldplay.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

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We will talk to a woman who alleges she was drugged and raped by Bill

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Cosby. The jury for Bill Crosby's trial is selected today.

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And let's start with the controversy surrounding John Terry's

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This was supposed to be a day of celebrations for Chelsea. It was

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John Terry's final appearance for the club so they thought there must

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be an emotional farewell which we had expected, but perhaps not in the

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way that it happened. What did occur, in the 26th minute in case

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you were wondering, his shirt number, John Terry came off. He was

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substituted at the 26th minute and there was a Guard of Honour which

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has been described by some people as quite odd. Now, this Guard of Honour

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occurred. It took him to the 28th minute before he finally came off

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and it has divided opinion with many people calling it contrived. Others

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saying it undermined the game. Here is what Final Score pundit Gareth

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Crooks had to say. This isn't Hollywood, this is a Premier League

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fixture. This has been set-up. I'm uncomfortable with it to be honest

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with you. I think it is very unusual to see that. I have never seen that

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before. OK, I know he is a unique player, but yeah, 26 minutes he goes

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off, he has number 26. It is the Guard of Honour in the middle of a

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game. I'm not happy with the way it was done. Some strong words, but I

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don't think he was aLondon in that reaction. I heard Robbie Savage

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saying, "What was that about?" Apparently it was John Terry's idea.

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Social media has been ablaze? Huge reaction on Twitter today. We have

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got some tweets that said the game is dead. Strong words from Sean

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Bishop. Sunderland should be ashamed. Testimonial antics in a

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League game. Shameful. David Mc Nally says every Chelsea player

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should have been booked for that pathetic behaviour and for bringing

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the game into disrepute. Some say he was right to do that and that he was

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the sort of player that deserves that type of response. Who knows,

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but in the meantime, it does mean, of course, that was John Terry's

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final game whether or not he likes how he went off, of course. Arsene

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Wenger won't talk about his future, but has been talking about the

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impact, the speculation around his future had on his team? That's

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right. Well, in the end Arsenal finished fifth despite beating

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Everton yesterday 3-1, but it means they have missed out on Champions

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League football for the first time in 20 years. Of course, the fans

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inside the stadium made their disappointment clear and fans have

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been divided over whether Arsene Wenger should stay on when his

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contract expires. There have been many protests against him since the

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season began in January. There was, of course celebration for Manchester

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City and Liverpool. There was a tentative wait for Liverpool fans

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who had to wait until before half-time before they took the lead

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against Middlesbrough before scoring 3-0 and securing fourth place in the

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League. Celebrations across-the-board yesterday and

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disappointment too for Arsenal, but we will have more sport in the next

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half an hour. Thank you very much.

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First this morning, this programme has been told that a police enquiry

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into deaths at a mental health trust could investigate up to 20 cases.

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The Linden Centre in Essex is facing questions into deaths that have

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It follows fresh investigations into the death of Matthew Leahy,

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who was found hanged at Linden Centre in 2012.

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His mother, Melanie Leahy, said her talks with Essex Police

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suggested the cases had taken place in the last 17 years.

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Our reporter Simon Cox has been investigating.

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It was the most unsafe place he could have been.

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I remember him texting me, "Mum, please let me come

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I wouldn't want to be in there, and if I was in there

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I'd want certain people to look after me.

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Why have they left it 17 years to look into these deaths?

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He was great at school, good in maths, good

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Matthew Leahy, a bright, sporty student.

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In his teens, he began smoking cannabis and having hallucinations.

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By 2012, his mental health had spiralled.

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There'd been a situation with his father, and the police were called

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I was told, "Don't come and see him for seven days,

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let him settle onto the ward," so I respected that.

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Matthew was a patient at the Linden Centre,

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run by the North Essex Partnership Trust.

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A week after being admitted, the centre phoned his mum.

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Actually this is the day the lies began.

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The phone rang, it was about 1:30, 1:15, and the doctor...

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"Matthew's been found hanging, it doesn't look good."

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I couldn't breathe, I fell to the floor on my knees,

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and my partner took the rest of the call.

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And there he was on the trolley, and the next instruction was,

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And I asked, "Could I take a cutting of his hair?"

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"No, you're not allowed to touch, he's a crime scene."

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Just 20 when he died, at his inquest the jury

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Each patient supposedly has a care plan, and it came to light that

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Matthew had no care plan, he had no key worker, no-one knew,

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for two days there wasn't even any observation sheets,

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The police report says, "Matthew was taken to a place of safety."

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It was the most unsafe place he could have been.

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I remember him texting me, "Mum, please let me come

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I just said, "No, stay there, these are the professionals,

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they know what they're doing, you need some help."

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The inquest jury said Matthew had been subjected to a series

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of multiple failings and missed opportunities over

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After the inquest, the coroner suggested that the Trust told

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a public inquiry into Matthew's death, but they said it would be too

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expensive and it would take money away from frontline services.

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But Matthew was not the first patient who'd hung himself

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In 2001, Nicola Dordoy was found hanging from a curtain pole.

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Three years later, Denise Gregory hung herself

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Then, in 2008, Ben Morris was found hanging from a wardrobe door.

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We've learned Essex Police have launched an investigation

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into deaths at the Linden Centre going back to the year 2000.

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Now, the police won't say exactly how many cases they're looking at,

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but one source has told us that it could be as many as 20

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This nurse had noticed these problems for many years.

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He spent a decade at the Trust and left last summer.

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He wants us to protect his identity as it could affect his employment.

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The risk of ligature points had been identified many years ago,

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and as a result one would have expected the Trust to have taken

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When senior staff and nurses asked whether those had been dealt with,

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senior management would give them reassurance.

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Did you try and raise concerns or ask managers about,

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are these things being fixed that would minimise people

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As a staff member, yes, on a regular basis.

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If you asked too many questions, you were deemed as a troublemaker.

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If ligature points as a risk had been resolved, there would have

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As a staff member, you can't do anything about that.

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They can say, "When is that door going to be fixed?"

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Do you think if there had those changes that they had been told

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to do, that then maybe some of those patients who died,

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The Essex Partnership Trust said the history of serious incidents

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at the Linden Centre is a matter of great concern that must be

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addressed, and that it places patient safety as a top priority.

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But, to improve safety, this nurse says they'll need

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to tackle a reliance on temporary or agency staff.

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You'd have one qualified member of staff that was a regular staff

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member, and you could have up to three or four agency staff,

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and that would have a profound difficulty because they wouldn't be

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aware of the environment and they need extra supervision.

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Do you think it is a safe place for patients?

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I wouldn't want to be in there, and if I was in there I'd want

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So that's pretty damning, this is you as someone who'd worked

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there for a long time, if you or a relative

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I'd be extremely scared to go in there.

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The Trust said it was improving systems to ensure investigations

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are carried out rigorously and thoroughly, and that

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learning shared across the entire organisation.

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They are also undertaking a full ligature audit,

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removing features that could be used by patients to take their own lives.

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But they've promised to tackle this before.

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In February 2015, the regulator, the Care Quality Commission,

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It found risks on the ward but it was not apparent that actions

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had been fully taken to address these.

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It also said that risk assessments seen lacked detail.

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Inspectors returned to the Trust in August 2015.

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They found "one patient attempted to strangle

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themselves with a ligature during our inspection,"

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and there was still an unacceptable number of ligature risks identified

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A year later when they came back, they found safety

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was still a concern and said, "The Trust must ensure

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action is taken to remove identified ligature risks."

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While the focus is on the Linden Centre, the problems at the Trust

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I think it's heartbreaking for her family.

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Melanie was a devoted mum to her two children and her family,

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who are still reeling from her death.

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Last year, Melanie Lowe was admitted to hospital under the care

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of the North Essex Trust after her mental health

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Melanie took an overdose from pills from her own wash bag

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and was admitted to hospital, where she remained

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However, when she was readmitted some days later back to the ward,

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her observation levels were downgraded from constant watch

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Unobserved, she took her own life, suffocating herself.

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At her inquest last November, once again the Essex coroner heard

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And we heard during the inquest that she'd tried to abscond twice

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while she'd been on constant watch, and the locum psychiatrist

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who reassessed her upon admission didn't have access to

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the observation notes during that time, so didn't know

:24:35.:24:36.

she'd tried to abscond, and she was unaware of the Trust's

:24:37.:24:39.

own policies and guidelines in relation to observation levels.

:24:40.:24:43.

Were you surprised at all by what you heard?

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It seems quite concerning that the Trust don't seem to be

:24:49.:24:51.

Instant reports are prepared just so that families can know that this

:24:52.:24:58.

is being looked into and treated seriously and hope that it can be

:24:59.:25:01.

That's what Melanie Leahy's trying to ensure, by supporting other

:25:02.:25:07.

families going through the same trauma she faced.

:25:08.:25:14.

She's on her way to an inquest of another patient found hanged

:25:15.:25:17.

This was a fight for answers from our own son's death,

:25:18.:25:22.

and I just can't ignore other families that are going

:25:23.:25:24.

through the same stuff and being treated the same way.

:25:25.:25:32.

It's just a club you belong to, and it's the most horrendous club

:25:33.:25:36.

At the coroner's court, she's meeting another member

:25:37.:25:47.

of the club, Lisa Morris, whose son Ben hung himself

:25:48.:25:49.

It's just like reliving a nightmare, because I've tried so hard

:25:50.:25:56.

And along then with Melanie after Matthew died,

:25:57.:26:11.

Melanie came and found me, and I think we've been down every

:26:12.:26:14.

avenue possible to try and stop this happening to anyone else,

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and when you hear that it does happen again, why?

:26:22.:26:25.

When so many recommendations have been made to the Linden Centre

:26:26.:26:32.

of how to put things right, and they're simply not doing them?

:26:33.:26:37.

These people could still be living now if the hospital had listened

:26:38.:26:44.

Well, now we know back to 2001 of a young lady

:26:45.:26:50.

And all these recommendations were made then.

:26:51.:26:53.

It's not just by the CQC and the health and safety,

:26:54.:26:56.

She recommends that that hospital do certain things

:26:57.:27:02.

And this goes round and round, and over and over, and over and over.

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I do believe Ben's death is one of the 20-odd

:27:09.:27:12.

that they are looking into, and that makes me angry as well.

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Ben's - since 2000, Ben's death, that's 17 years ago.

:27:19.:27:21.

Why have they left it 17 years to look into these deaths?

:27:22.:27:25.

Can the police inquiries into deaths at the Linden Centre restore trust

:27:26.:27:40.

for the grieving families, whose relatives died in the place

:27:41.:27:42.

Let me read you this e-mail from Aaron who was watching the film. I

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have been in the Linden Centre three times over the past two make ears

:28:01.:28:03.

are due to attempts to take my own life. The last time was May 28 last

:28:04.:28:10.

year. I put myself into a coma for five days on the last attempt. Since

:28:11.:28:14.

then, I have tried to put it behind me and I'm doing better. The reason

:28:15.:28:18.

for my e-mail is that when you feel like I did at that time, there was

:28:19.:28:21.

pretty much nothing anyone could do to stop me doing what I had done. I

:28:22.:28:27.

made blades, self harming from stones in the Linden Centre garden.

:28:28.:28:33.

I took ligatures from curtain cords and so on. My brain was hell-bent on

:28:34.:28:37.

succeeding. The doctor bluntly said there was nothing he could offer

:28:38.:28:40.

that would change it. It seemed I needed to get it out of my system to

:28:41.:28:44.

move forward. It sounds daft but back then I was not thinking

:28:45.:28:48.

straight, although I thought I was at the time. I felt normal and some

:28:49.:28:53.

days I wish I had succeeded to end the internal pain I am carrying

:28:54.:28:56.

around. I am dealing with it as best I can and I would not condemn the

:28:57.:29:00.

Linden Centre or their staff. They have the hardest job in the world

:29:01.:29:03.

and they never stopped trying to help me. If it was not for them I

:29:04.:29:05.

would not be here. After 10am, we'll talk

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to the daughter of a 76 who took her own life on day

:29:10.:29:11.

release from the centre. If you've been affected by any

:29:12.:29:18.

of the issues raised in that film - you can find support and advice

:29:19.:29:21.

at the bbc action line - And we have a statement from the

:29:22.:29:24.

Essex partnership NHS Trust. They told us: "The history

:29:25.:29:43.

of serious incidents of self-harm at the Linden Centre is a matter

:29:44.:29:45.

of great concern that the Trust has already recognised must be

:29:46.:29:48.

addressed...and that it had set aside significant funding

:29:49.:29:51.

so it was ready to take prompt actions following the results

:29:52.:29:53.

of an audit of risks of patients using ligatures

:29:54.:29:55.

to take their own lives." We will bring you the latest nose in

:29:56.:30:00.

a moment but still to come, once known as America's dad, Bill Cosby

:30:01.:30:02.

was considered a comedy legend. He returns to court today as selection

:30:03.:30:05.

begins for jurors who will decide whether or not he is guilty of

:30:06.:30:08.

sexual assault. And we will get reaction to those leaked internal

:30:09.:30:11.

documents used by Facebook which appear to show that it has

:30:12.:30:15.

instructed its own moderators not to remove controversial content which

:30:16.:30:16.

many would find offensive. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:30:17.:30:24.

with a summary of today's news. Labour is promising English students

:30:25.:30:30.

who start university courses in England this autumn

:30:31.:30:34.

won't have to pay tuition fees Labour has already pledged

:30:35.:30:37.

to abolish fees from 2018, but says it wants to discourage

:30:38.:30:40.

those sitting their exams now The Conservatives say

:30:41.:30:43.

more students than ever from disadvantaged backgrounds

:30:44.:30:46.

are getting into university. Meanwhile, the Conservatives have

:30:47.:30:50.

been warned that their plans to fund social care in England could fail

:30:51.:30:54.

because of problems with how some councils administer the existing

:30:55.:30:57.

system of deferred payments. The insurer Royal London said

:30:58.:31:00.

responses from 140 authorities to a freedom of information request

:31:01.:31:06.

showed that, in some places, people appeared not to be aware

:31:07.:31:09.

they could postpone paying People have until midnight tonight

:31:10.:31:23.

to register to vote. More than two million registered to vote. In the

:31:24.:31:28.

2015 general election nearly 500,000 people left it until the final day

:31:29.:31:30.

to register. Donald Trump will arrive in Israel

:31:31.:31:34.

this morning, on the second leg The US President, seen here leaving

:31:35.:31:37.

Saudi Arabia this morning, will meet both Israeli

:31:38.:31:45.

and Palestinian leaders with peace Mr Trump has called

:31:46.:31:47.

an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement "the ultimate deal",

:31:48.:31:50.

but so far has been vague A police inquiry into an NHS-run

:31:51.:31:52.

mental health unit in Essex is investigating up to 20 deaths,

:31:53.:31:58.

this programme has learnt. It follows a fresh probe

:31:59.:32:01.

into the death of Matthew Leahy, who was found hanged

:32:02.:32:03.

at the Linden Centre His mother Melanie told the BBC

:32:04.:32:05.

there was no care plan in place for him when he was admitted

:32:06.:32:11.

to the centre. Essex Police say they are

:32:12.:32:13.

"conducting initial enquiries into a number of deaths"

:32:14.:32:15.

at the centre. A viewer tweets, "Heartbreaking."

:32:16.:32:33.

Sophie tweets, "It's so important particularly to talk about the rise

:32:34.:32:37.

of agency staff. Sometimes we only had agency staff on a night shift

:32:38.:32:42.

who were very unhelpful. " If you're getting in touch, you're welcome.

:32:43.:32:47.

Use the hashtag Victoria Live or e-mail us:

:32:48.:32:50.

Arsene Wenger says his love for Arsenal cannot be questioned

:32:51.:32:56.

after they failed to finish in the top four for

:32:57.:32:58.

He refused to comment on his future after the match,

:32:59.:33:02.

although he did admit that the constant speculation

:33:03.:33:04.

John Terry has admitted his prolonged farewell in his final

:33:05.:33:10.

The captain received a guard of honour from team-mates

:33:11.:33:18.

as he walked off the pitch in the 26th minute,

:33:19.:33:20.

Celtic are the first side in over a century to go through an entire

:33:21.:33:25.

season in the Scottish top flight without defeat.

:33:26.:33:31.

They signed off with a 2-0 win over Hearts

:33:32.:33:34.

weekend, they could yet win the treble.

:33:35.:33:37.

And Billy Vunipola is out of the Lions tour to New Zealand.

:33:38.:33:40.

He's been managing with a shoulder injury but that now needs more

:33:41.:33:43.

treatment, so his place in the squad goes to Wasps back row James

:33:44.:33:46.

I will have more sport in the next hour.

:33:47.:33:51.

Bill Cosby will return to court today as selection begins

:33:52.:33:54.

for the jurors who will decide whether or not he is

:33:55.:33:56.

The 79-year-old entertainer, who became known as "America's Dad"

:33:57.:34:02.

throughout decades as a national treasure is expected to attend

:34:03.:34:05.

every day of jury selection hearings at a court in Pennsylvania.

:34:06.:34:10.

Bill Cosby is a US comedian and actor once seen

:34:11.:34:13.

as the all-American dad for his portrayal of

:34:14.:34:17.

Dr Cliff Huxtable in the hit sitcom The Cosby Show in the 80s

:34:18.:34:20.

He'll stand trial for a charge of three counts of indecent assault

:34:21.:34:25.

alleged by one woman, former colleague and basketball

:34:26.:34:27.

It's the only criminal case Mr Cosby faces related to sexual assault

:34:28.:34:35.

The point of this is that it was intoxicating to her

:34:36.:34:43.

That's the charges that we're bound over,

:34:44.:34:52.

and we look forward to handling this in court.

:34:53.:34:55.

Over those years, nearly 60 women have come forward accusing

:34:56.:34:57.

His behaviour was like that of a predator.

:34:58.:35:03.

I woke up in the back of my car, alone.

:35:04.:35:05.

My clothes were a mess, my bra was undone.

:35:06.:35:12.

35 of them told their stories to New York magazine.

:35:13.:35:16.

Cosby has always maintained the encounters were consensual.

:35:17.:35:18.

Ms Constand's case is the only one that has fallen

:35:19.:35:21.

within the time-limit known as the statute of limitations,

:35:22.:35:25.

a US law that shields people from prosecution after a certain

:35:26.:35:28.

time by imposing an expiry date for allegations of crimes.

:35:29.:35:34.

The jury selection begins today, as prosecutors say Bill Cosby

:35:35.:35:37.

drugged and molested Ms Constand at his home in Cheltenham,

:35:38.:35:39.

Judge Steven O'Neill has said he plans to screen about 125 jurors

:35:40.:35:47.

Lili Bernard alleges Bill Cosby drugged and raped her

:35:48.:36:02.

after she starred in the eighth and final series of the Cosby Show.

:36:03.:36:05.

She told me what her initial impressions of him where.

:36:06.:36:12.

Initially I felt that he was a brilliant mind who was instrumental

:36:13.:36:20.

in lifting the image of the black family.

:36:21.:36:31.

I believed he was a philanthropist. Later on I discovered that was a

:36:32.:36:39.

smoke screen to divert attention from his depravity and his

:36:40.:36:43.

criminality, but I was duped like the rest of the world. He was a

:36:44.:36:56.

whole Somme person, that he was Dr Huxstable. He denies all charges.

:36:57.:37:03.

Insisting that all his encounters were consensual and he and his

:37:04.:37:07.

family have suggested that some of the claims against him are down to

:37:08.:37:14.

racism? Would you like my comment on that? Yes, please. I have evidence

:37:15.:37:22.

to prove that my relationship with him was not romantic. That it was

:37:23.:37:29.

professional and paternal and purely platonic. That he was mentoring me

:37:30.:37:35.

from the prospective of a father figure, that he often told me that

:37:36.:37:41.

he loved me and cared for me as if I were one of his daughters. He often

:37:42.:37:46.

said to me, "You're one of my kids." With regard to the bogus and

:37:47.:37:54.

despicable claim that he has been rationally targeted. On 2nd May

:37:55.:38:02.

2015, it was the day after I first came public about the abuse I

:38:03.:38:06.

suffered at the hands of Bill Cosby and I attended a protest protest

:38:07.:38:17.

near Georgia where Bill Cosby gave his last performance and two weeks

:38:18.:38:21.

later Bill Cosby donates money to the Black Belt Fundation in Alabama

:38:22.:38:30.

and he stages this mock march over the bridge and the bridge is a

:38:31.:38:35.

signifier of a very important historic moment in the civil rights

:38:36.:38:40.

struggle. I sent e-mails and made lots of phone calls to the school

:38:41.:38:44.

which the Black Belt Foundation was involved in because the Black Belt

:38:45.:38:52.

Foundation is a great organisation that provides assistance to

:38:53.:38:56.

disadvantaged marginalised youth in Alabama and I beconed them to please

:38:57.:39:00.

not allow the children, particularly the teenage girls to get near Bill

:39:01.:39:05.

Cosby because he is a dangerous, sexual predator and that I am a

:39:06.:39:08.

victim of his raping, drging and threats. I sent letters to the Black

:39:09.:39:15.

Belt Foundation staff and board of directors, to the school and the

:39:16.:39:21.

principal and to the teachers and no one returned my e-mails and my phone

:39:22.:39:25.

calls and there is information online where you can see that

:39:26.:39:30.

entertainment tonight did a report on it. So, to me, when Bill Cosby

:39:31.:39:38.

staged that march with those children two weeks after I came

:39:39.:39:42.

public about the abuse that I endured at his hands and I mentioned

:39:43.:39:49.

Martin Luther King that was a slap in my face. It is a spit in the face

:39:50.:39:55.

of all the other great civil rights activists who marched over that

:39:56.:40:04.

bridge in 1965 and... Sorry to interrupt, Lili, he is saying the

:40:05.:40:06.

kind of accusations that you are making against him are simply

:40:07.:40:12.

because he is a black man? Right. So we have been also likened parallel

:40:13.:40:18.

by his attorneys and him to lynch mobs and when Bill Cosby calls us a

:40:19.:40:29.

mob, it's den owe grating the souls of the real lynch victims. All it

:40:30.:40:37.

does is reveal his depravity that he would stoop so low to pimp the souls

:40:38.:40:42.

of rape victims in order to hide from, you know, to hide behind his,

:40:43.:40:47.

you know, criminality. It's disgusting. He denies all charges.

:40:48.:40:53.

You told people around you what you say happened to you back then. And

:40:54.:40:58.

you didn't go to the police until many years later. Right. Can you

:40:59.:41:05.

explain why that was? Because he threatened serious consequences to

:41:06.:41:10.

my life. When I approached him and confronted him about being drugged

:41:11.:41:15.

and raped by him, when I told him that I would call the police and go

:41:16.:41:20.

to the hospital and find out what he put in my drink, my sparkling apple

:41:21.:41:24.

cider he told me that the minute that I went to the police that he

:41:25.:41:27.

would go to the police stags after me and file a police report against

:41:28.:41:32.

me for false accusation and then he would sue me for defamation and make

:41:33.:41:38.

sure that I would end up in prison for a long time and that he would

:41:39.:41:43.

ruin my career. He said he would tell all of Hollywood that I was

:41:44.:41:47.

nothing but a slut and I was trying to sleep my way to the top and I was

:41:48.:41:54.

a no good actress and he said I better watch my back, all it takes

:41:55.:41:58.

was one phone call, that's why I didn't call the police because I

:41:59.:42:02.

feared for my life and I became suicidal and, but it doesn't take a

:42:03.:42:07.

threat such as the ones that Bill Cosby inflicted upon me, the serious

:42:08.:42:12.

threats to my life which I interpreted as death threats for

:42:13.:42:17.

aville to not talk about their rape or to report a rape and you have to

:42:18.:42:23.

could be tend with the reality that this invasion, this unwholly

:42:24.:42:28.

invasion can cause you your life because you can contract diseases,

:42:29.:42:32.

sexually transmitted diseases like AIDS that could kill you, it can

:42:33.:42:36.

also determine whether or not you're going to become pregnant and you

:42:37.:42:41.

have to possibility of becoming pregnant with your perpetrator's

:42:42.:42:44.

child or the devil's child or you have to contend with the possibility

:42:45.:42:48.

of now having to face abortion or giving up this child for adoption.

:42:49.:42:54.

It's a life changing, highly traumatic crime that often goes

:42:55.:42:59.

unreported. It's not just victims of be loved celebrities that typically

:43:00.:43:05.

don't report, but victims of people, perpetrators hom they trust, their

:43:06.:43:12.

uncles, their teachers, their boy scout leaders, their coaches, it is

:43:13.:43:15.

a common phenomenal that rape victims do not report crimes. I

:43:16.:43:21.

understand that you know of at least four other women who you say won't

:43:22.:43:27.

come forward. I know personally four other women who were also abused by

:43:28.:43:32.

Bill Cosby and three of them I knew while they were being abused by him

:43:33.:43:35.

and they will not come forward and I understand why they don't because it

:43:36.:43:40.

comes with grave consequences, you wish for retaliation for Bill Cosby

:43:41.:43:45.

by the women. He has sued several of the women. We are constantly, I and

:43:46.:43:53.

the other survivors are constantly being blamed and shamed online. I

:43:54.:43:59.

received so many comments and messages and e-mails from adorning

:44:00.:44:05.

die hard Cosby fans who take every opportunity to attack me. So after I

:44:06.:44:09.

appear on your show for example I will receive a plethora of hate

:44:10.:44:13.

mail, but more importantly, is that I receive an abundance of supportive

:44:14.:44:20.

comments from people across the globe who are also survivors and who

:44:21.:44:25.

thank me for helping to empower them it speak out because through my

:44:26.:44:31.

example of speaking out against such a powerful perpetrator they felt

:44:32.:44:37.

empowered to file a police report against the priest who abused them

:44:38.:44:41.

when they were centre or against their uncle or against their teacher

:44:42.:44:46.

who impregnated them. It's worth it. You know, it's worth receiving all

:44:47.:44:52.

the hate and the vitriol from these die hard Cosby fans and rape

:44:53.:44:57.

apologists in order to positively, you know, impact so many survivors.

:44:58.:45:02.

Again, just to say that Bill Cosby denies the charges against him. I

:45:03.:45:06.

know you haven't been able to take your case to court because of a time

:45:07.:45:11.

limit. What's known as the statute of limitations, ie the time in which

:45:12.:45:15.

a case can be heard has run out. What do you think of that? Well, I

:45:16.:45:23.

have a prepond rans of hardcore evidence against Bill Cosby and I

:45:24.:45:30.

took this evidence with me along with contact information of several

:45:31.:45:35.

witnesses to the Atlantic City detectives on 30th April when I felt

:45:36.:45:42.

safe enough to report the crime because 46 other women had come

:45:43.:45:46.

public before me and therefore, I feared less that Bill Cosby would

:45:47.:45:51.

target me for retaliation. So empowered by these other 46 women

:45:52.:45:55.

and now there are 60 who have gone public I brought my evidence with

:45:56.:45:57.

me. I brought the contact information. I waited for the

:45:58.:46:02.

detectives and the prosecutors to contact my witnesses, they were not

:46:03.:46:07.

contacted and then I found out that the prosecutor in New Jersey

:46:08.:46:11.

couldn't even consider prosecuting Bill Cosby. Couldn't consider

:46:12.:46:15.

pressing charges against Bill Cosby despite the evidence that I brought,

:46:16.:46:22.

the compelling evidence that I brought, despite my witness

:46:23.:46:25.

testimonies because the witness occurred a few months outside of the

:46:26.:46:27.

statute limitations. But I took advantage evidence, along

:46:28.:46:38.

with video taped testimony, which included my agent, and the therapist

:46:39.:46:44.

whom I was assigned in 1992 when I came out of the hospital, having

:46:45.:46:48.

been admitted for suicide attempts. And I even put some production

:46:49.:46:56.

assistance from the Cosby show in video stats, and I took this

:46:57.:47:00.

evidence with me this video testimonies of my witnesses to the

:47:01.:47:06.

legislative offices in Sacramento, California, the Senate and Council

:47:07.:47:10.

officers and I showed them when we were lobbying and campaigning, to

:47:11.:47:16.

abolish the statute of limitations on rape prosecution in California,

:47:17.:47:21.

to show them the absolute travesty that a rape victim, no matter how

:47:22.:47:26.

much time has passed, can still have hard evidence like me, because I am

:47:27.:47:31.

an archivist, and yet be barred by this arbitrary timeline from

:47:32.:47:36.

achieving justice. What we pointed out as part of our argument is that

:47:37.:47:40.

abolishing the statute of limitations does not change the

:47:41.:47:46.

burden of proof. You still have to have, as a victim, you still have to

:47:47.:47:50.

have enough evidence to prove your case beyond any reasonable doubt. So

:47:51.:47:59.

all this speaking out that I and the other 60 Cosby survivors have done,

:48:00.:48:04.

even if it doesn't affect a positive result for us in the trial, even if

:48:05.:48:13.

Bill Cosby is found innocent, at the very least what we have done is that

:48:14.:48:22.

we have empowered other rape survivors, changing antiquated,

:48:23.:48:24.

patriarchal, misogynistic law. We will also eliminate the fact that

:48:25.:48:28.

the American justice system is slanted towards protecting the

:48:29.:48:32.

perpetrator. The jury selection begins today. We're going to leave

:48:33.:48:36.

that they are. That was Lily Brainard.

:48:37.:48:37.

Coming up, the Green Party has accused the Conservatives

:48:38.:48:39.

of "launching a war on young people".

:48:40.:48:40.

Conservative plans to change how social care is funded in England

:48:41.:48:46.

could be derailed by councils, a former minister has warned.

:48:47.:48:49.

The party wants to include the value of someone's home when deciding how

:48:50.:48:52.

much they must pay towards care at home - but allow them

:48:53.:48:55.

Our political guru Norman Smith is here.

:48:56.:48:57.

This hinges on whether councils allow people to defer their

:48:58.:49:03.

payments. Yes. Under the package of reforms unveiled by Theresa May, she

:49:04.:49:08.

is saying that people ought to be able to meet their care costs by in

:49:09.:49:12.

effect using their home to pay for it but there are home not having to

:49:13.:49:17.

be sort of salt until after they have died. That would mean the local

:49:18.:49:21.

authority is basically having the wherewithal to put that sort of

:49:22.:49:25.

process in place, and all the research that has been done by the

:49:26.:49:28.

former pensions minister suggests that many local authorities need to

:49:29.:49:32.

get up to speed to implement those reforms. And that really is on top

:49:33.:49:37.

of what we have seen is a huge row over the reforms unveiled by Mrs

:49:38.:49:43.

May, which many in her own party seemed to be deeply uncomfortable

:49:44.:49:48.

about. Certainly many in the charitable sector, pensions groups,

:49:49.:49:51.

they are deeply uneasy. And the reason is this. Everyone by and

:49:52.:49:55.

large has signed up to the idea of having a cap on the amount that

:49:56.:49:58.

people would have to pay for their care costs. Andrew Dilnot was told

:49:59.:50:04.

to think what to do about the social care problem and is and serve was

:50:05.:50:08.

putting a cap on the amount that people have to pay, because at the

:50:09.:50:13.

moment you could keep paying literally hundreds of thousands of

:50:14.:50:18.

pounds. There was a broad political consensus, let's go for a cap of

:50:19.:50:22.

about ?72,000 and after that the staple will step in. After that,

:50:23.:50:28.

Theresa May has torn that up saying that we will not go for a cap but we

:50:29.:50:32.

will go for a floor. What that means is that ?100,000 will be the new

:50:33.:50:39.

means test. In other words if you have less than ?100,000, you are

:50:40.:50:43.

fine, and the state will pay for you. However, if you have got more

:50:44.:50:47.

than ?100,000, everything above that will have to be spent on social care

:50:48.:50:52.

until you are only left with ?100,000. Why is there a row about

:50:53.:51:00.

this? Well, because for most homeowners, not massively wealthy

:51:01.:51:03.

homeowners, that means they will end up paying for their care. How so?

:51:04.:51:07.

Well, if you think that the average house price is about ?250,000, so

:51:08.:51:13.

not a massively extravagant house, that is the average value. ?250,000,

:51:14.:51:18.

you would have to spend ?150,000 of the value of your house until you

:51:19.:51:24.

were left with just ?100,000, at that means test level. So the big

:51:25.:51:30.

row is the way middle-class, better off families, homeowners, they would

:51:31.:51:34.

by and large been left picking up the tab themselves and poorer

:51:35.:51:37.

families, yes, they will receive some protection because the means

:51:38.:51:41.

test has been raised to ?100,000, but the other thing about it is that

:51:42.:51:47.

this tends to penalised people suffering from one particular

:51:48.:51:52.

illness, predominantly dementia, because if you suffer from cancer or

:51:53.:51:55.

other conditions like that, the NHS will pile in and look after you. If

:51:56.:51:59.

you suffer from mental health problems, and you have a house, you

:52:00.:52:04.

are pretty much on your own. It is hugely controversial. Talking to

:52:05.:52:09.

those around Mrs May this morning, they are adamant that they will not

:52:10.:52:14.

back off and the policy will stay. There will be consultation to look

:52:15.:52:18.

of minor tweaks but they are determined not to rethink the

:52:19.:52:22.

fundamentals of this policy. Thank you very much, Noren. -- Normanton.

:52:23.:52:29.

Well we did ask the Conservatives to take part in a discussion

:52:30.:52:32.

But they released a statement saying:

:52:33.:52:35.

"Our plan strengthens the Social Care system with more

:52:36.:52:37.

and sustainable funding to cope with these long term pressures -

:52:38.:52:40.

and ensures nobody has to sell their home to pay

:52:41.:52:42.

Not to act or just to play politics with the issue is irresponsible.

:52:43.:52:50.

Instead, we have chosen to act in the national interest. Let's talk to

:52:51.:52:51.

Catherine West from Labour. And Norman Lamb is the Lib Dems'

:52:52.:52:56.

health spokesman and our political guru Norman Smith

:52:57.:53:00.

is in Westminster. The issue today hinges on whether

:53:01.:53:08.

councils will allow people to defer their payments. According to the

:53:09.:53:11.

freedom of information requests, some councils in England have not

:53:12.:53:15.

signed any agreements to allow people to do that and in some other

:53:16.:53:19.

areas, more than 100 have been signed. It is a real patchwork and

:53:20.:53:23.

that is part of the problem. Since 2010, local authorities have not

:53:24.:53:28.

really been equipped to design a system which works. So we have a

:53:29.:53:32.

postcode lottery. That is why we read like to see it much there in

:53:33.:53:40.

the taxpayer system, in the same way that NHS services are paid for, so

:53:41.:53:44.

that people with long-term conditions do not have to suffer

:53:45.:53:47.

disproportionately compared to people with other illnesses. Norman

:53:48.:53:50.

Lamont, why should people not paid for their own pay costs when they

:53:51.:53:59.

have assets like houses. -- Norman Lamb. Well, I think that what Andrew

:54:00.:54:03.

Dilnot said was that this was a market failure. In every aspect of

:54:04.:54:07.

our lives, we are able to protect ourselves against catastrophic loss

:54:08.:54:11.

but here, we're not. The great value of the cap on care clause, which I

:54:12.:54:16.

took through Parliament, and I did it with Jeremy Hunt, but they have

:54:17.:54:23.

now abandoned it. The value of the cap on care costs was that everyone

:54:24.:54:27.

was protected against catastrophic loss. That has now been abandoned by

:54:28.:54:31.

the Conservatives and all those people who are receiving care at

:54:32.:54:34.

home, very many of them who are currently receiving it for free or

:54:35.:54:41.

at a low-cost, they now face charges of ?15,000 a year, typically, if you

:54:42.:54:46.

have complex fees, it could be way higher than that. The great

:54:47.:54:50.

unfairness is that if you are a millionaire with cancer, you will

:54:51.:54:53.

get all of your health costs paid for through the NHS, but if you are

:54:54.:54:58.

someone with dementia, perhaps in a small semi, you lose everything you

:54:59.:55:05.

have got. You do not lose everything at all. Your assets, ?100,000 will

:55:06.:55:11.

be protected. You can pass that on to your beneficiaries. But here is a

:55:12.:55:14.

thing. Is it really protected? Because they have answered no

:55:15.:55:18.

questions and it is extraordinary that they have not come on to debate

:55:19.:55:22.

this this morning. They have said nothing about whether the hundred

:55:23.:55:26.

thousand pounds will have to be used to pay for ongoing accommodation

:55:27.:55:30.

costs. That was not included in the cap. So you could end up paying

:55:31.:55:35.

loads more money, you could pay interest charges on the loan that

:55:36.:55:38.

you have taken out to cover these costs. And so I have no belief at

:55:39.:55:46.

all but ?100,000 will actually be genuinely protected. OK, well that

:55:47.:55:50.

is what they say, they say assets of ?100,000 and under will be

:55:51.:55:56.

protected. Well, that is care costs but what about the accommodation

:55:57.:55:58.

costs and other costs? If anybody wants to challenge this can sign --

:55:59.:56:06.

anybody wants to challenge this can sign up to our website to end this

:56:07.:56:11.

outrageous tax. Catherine West, what the Conservatives say is that this

:56:12.:56:15.

is finally a sustainable solution. They have tackled a really, really

:56:16.:56:20.

difficult issue which successive governments have ducked, effectively

:56:21.:56:23.

and finally they have come up with a solution. It's true that the Tory

:56:24.:56:26.

spokesman yesterday on the BBC said yesterday that he thought ?100,000

:56:27.:56:30.

was about right. If you have four or five children, that is about right

:56:31.:56:38.

but is it really in the government's remit to be saying what people

:56:39.:56:41.

should inherit or not? That is not a Tory idea. It is odd for him to be

:56:42.:56:45.

laying down the law as to what people can and cannot inherit. I

:56:46.:56:49.

think this tax is very damaging and it takes away the sense that we all

:56:50.:56:52.

contribute as well because we do not know who will get dementia, who will

:56:53.:56:56.

have a long-term mental health problem. I think part of the problem

:56:57.:56:59.

is that when Norman Lamb was in government they cut about ?4 billion

:57:00.:57:06.

from the purse, from social care, so that is why we have this crisis now.

:57:07.:57:10.

Had we continued to fund that properly, we would not be in this

:57:11.:57:14.

mess. Do you accept that the Lib Dems are partially responsible for

:57:15.:57:18.

taking out ?4.6 billion from social care from 2010 onwards? In 2010 we

:57:19.:57:24.

were faced by a deficit of ?160 billion a year and if you carry on

:57:25.:57:27.

without addressing that, it is always the most vulnerable people in

:57:28.:57:30.

society who will suffer the most. But it was the Lib Dems who

:57:31.:57:34.

negotiated to introduce the cap on care costs, to protect people

:57:35.:57:38.

against catastrophic loss. That has now been abandoned. It is the Lib

:57:39.:57:42.

Dems who are now saying that ?6 billion extra for the NHS and care,

:57:43.:57:49.

through a penny on tax... You cannot have it both ways as a Liberal

:57:50.:57:53.

Democrat, be honest. I have been straightforward. We went through

:57:54.:57:57.

tight budget settlements in those first few years to get the budget

:57:58.:58:02.

deficit sorted out. But now it is absolutely clear that the NHS is on

:58:03.:58:06.

its knees. That is why we are seeing an extra penny on income tax for the

:58:07.:58:10.

NHS and the care system, but we are also seeing implement the cap on

:58:11.:58:16.

care costs. We did what we were advised to do by Andrew Dilnot and

:58:17.:58:19.

now the Conservatives have abandoned it. Theresa May is due to come to

:58:20.:58:23.

Norfolk soon. I challenge her to meet with me, to debate these issues

:58:24.:58:29.

and to answer key questions that affect very many older people who

:58:30.:58:33.

now face substantial costs. Thank you very much. Norman Lamb,

:58:34.:58:41.

Catherine West, thank you. I know that Andrew Neale is due to

:58:42.:58:44.

interview the Prime Minister this week and no doubt he will ask about

:58:45.:58:48.

that. We asked the Conservatives to take part in our conversation this

:58:49.:58:51.

morning but they said they were not able to. They released a statement

:58:52.:58:56.

saying they have chosen to act in the national interest.

:58:57.:58:57.

By the way we're going to be in Dunstable in Bedfordshire

:58:58.:58:59.

on Monday 29th May for a big election audience debate.

:59:00.:59:02.

If you've made up your mind already who you're going to vote for,

:59:03.:59:11.

you're still deciding or don't think you'll bother voting,

:59:12.:59:13.

and would like the chance to share your views and grill senior

:59:14.:59:16.

politicians on their policies - get in touch to apply for a place.

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More details on our facebook and twitter pages.

:59:20.:59:22.

Let's get the latest weather update - with Ben Rich.

:59:23.:59:24.

Good morning. Thank you very much. If you like warm weather, I think

:59:25.:59:30.

you will like this week. By the end of the week, some places could be

:59:31.:59:34.

close to 30 degrees. It certainly started off in a promising fashion

:59:35.:59:38.

with this weather watcher in north-east Scotland. Some beautiful

:59:39.:59:42.

Sunrisers across the country. It will be largely drives through the

:59:43.:59:46.

week ahead. As I have mentioned, it will be turning very warm. Pretty

:59:47.:59:50.

warm through the rest of the day. The best of the sunshine towards

:59:51.:59:54.

southern and south-eastern areas. More cloud across North England and

:59:55.:59:58.

Wales. Maybe the odd splash of rain across Northern Ireland will bring

:59:59.:00:04.

rain at times. 17 degrees in Glasgow but maybe 25 or 26 in London.

:00:05.:00:08.

Through this evening we will see heavy rain across the northern part

:00:09.:00:13.

of Scotland. Some gusty winds as well. Further south, largely dry.

:00:14.:00:20.

Thicker cloud pushing him. That means that tomorrow across parts of

:00:21.:00:24.

Wales it will be grey and murky for costs and hills. Away from here,

:00:25.:00:29.

largely dry story with some sunshine. Not as warm as today but

:00:30.:00:32.

by the end of the week, those temperatures will be up into the

:00:33.:00:35.

high 20s and maybe close to 30 degrees.

:00:36.:00:39.

Hello. It's Monday.

:00:40.:00:42.

It's 10am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:43.:00:44.

Our exclusive investigation has found that a police inquiry

:00:45.:00:46.

into deaths at a mental health trust could look into up to 20 suicides.

:00:47.:00:56.

The police report says Matthew was taken to a place of safety. He was

:00:57.:01:04.

it was the most unsafe place he could have been and I remember him

:01:05.:01:09.

texting me saying, "Mum, please let me come home. I'm in hell here."

:01:10.:01:14.

We'll be talking to a woman whose mum took her own life on day release

:01:15.:01:18.

Facebook guidelines for moderators have been leaked to The Guardian.

:01:19.:01:22.

They appear to show some tolerance of bullying, violent threats

:01:23.:01:24.

And rap star Drake scooped 13 prizes at last night's Billboards awards,

:01:25.:01:28.

Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:01:29.:01:38.

The Conservatives have been warned that their plans to fund

:01:39.:01:50.

social care in England could fail, because of problems with how some

:01:51.:01:53.

councils administer the existing system of deferred payments.

:01:54.:01:55.

The insurer Royal London said responses from 140 authorities

:01:56.:01:57.

to a freedom of information request showed that - in some places -

:01:58.:02:00.

people appeared not to be aware they could postpone paying

:02:01.:02:03.

Labour is promising that English students who start university

:02:04.:02:06.

courses in England this autumn won't have to pay tuition fees -

:02:07.:02:09.

Labour has already pledged to abolish fees from 2018,

:02:10.:02:13.

but says it wants to discourage those sitting their exams now

:02:14.:02:15.

The Conservatives say more students than ever

:02:16.:02:18.

from disadvantaged backgrounds are getting into university.

:02:19.:02:28.

People have until just before midnight tonight to register to vote

:02:29.:02:31.

More than two million people have joined the register in the month

:02:32.:02:35.

since Theresa May revealed there would be a snap election.

:02:36.:02:37.

In the 2015 general election, nearly half a million people left it

:02:38.:02:40.

Donald Trump will arrive in Israel this morning, on the second leg

:02:41.:02:50.

The US President will meet both Israeli

:02:51.:03:06.

and Palestinian leaders - with peace talks dominating the agenda.

:03:07.:03:08.

Mr Trump has called an Israeli-Palestinian peace

:03:09.:03:10.

agreement "the ultimate deal", but so far has been vague

:03:11.:03:13.

A police inquiry into an NHS-run mental health unit in Essex

:03:14.:03:16.

is investigating up to twenty deaths, this programme has learnt.

:03:17.:03:19.

It follows a fresh probe into the death of Matthew Leahy,

:03:20.:03:22.

who was found hanged at the Linden Centre

:03:23.:03:23.

His mother Melanie told the BBC there was no care plan in place

:03:24.:03:29.

for him when he was admitted to the centre.

:03:30.:03:31.

Essex Police say they are "conducting initial enquiries

:03:32.:03:33.

into a number of deaths" at the centre.

:03:34.:03:35.

Two men arrested by Humberside Police over the disappearance

:03:36.:03:37.

of a woman who went missing after dropping her daughter off

:03:38.:03:40.

at school have been charged with conspiring to cause grievous

:03:41.:03:42.

Majid Mustafa and Robert Lipinski will appear before Hull Magistrates'

:03:43.:03:46.

Renata Antczak was last seen walking near her home in Hull

:03:47.:03:50.

Police have searched several addresses in the city and have

:03:51.:03:55.

appealed for information about her disappearance.

:03:56.:04:00.

A diamond ring bought for ?10 at a car-boot sale 30 years ago

:04:01.:04:04.

is expected to fetch ?350,000 at auction.

:04:05.:04:09.

The owner believed the large white diamond was a piece of costume

:04:10.:04:13.

jewellery when she bought it in the 1980s.

:04:14.:04:15.

She wore the spectacular stone for decades without

:04:16.:04:17.

realising its true value - even doing the chores with it on.

:04:18.:04:22.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:04:23.:04:26.

Some more messages from you about being treated at various mental

:04:27.:04:35.

health trustsment Laura on Facebook says, "I was treated appallingly at

:04:36.:04:40.

a hospital unit in London and I was later diagnosed with PDST. It

:04:41.:04:43.

devastates me to hear of others coping with a lack of care and the

:04:44.:04:47.

suicides that families have had to endure."

:04:48.:04:54.

"I feel frustrated that nothing is being done." Lynn says, "My husband

:04:55.:05:02.

was in the Linden and whilst there a woman walked out and took her own

:05:03.:05:10.

life. My son went to the Linden Centre. They sent him away so many

:05:11.:05:16.

times. They begged him to help him. I feel they have let him down."

:05:17.:05:19.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:05:20.:05:24.

use the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text, you will be charged

:05:25.:05:27.

Arsene Wenger says his love for Arsenal cannot be questioned

:05:28.:05:37.

after they failed to finish in the top four for

:05:38.:05:39.

They finished fifth despite beating Everton 3-1 yesterday.

:05:40.:05:43.

Wenger once again refused to comment on his future after the match,

:05:44.:05:45.

although he did admit that the constant speculation

:05:46.:05:47.

We had a spell during the season where it was very difficult. My

:05:48.:05:54.

personal situation had certainly an influence at some stage on the group

:05:55.:05:59.

as well and we played in a very hostile environment through the

:06:00.:06:04.

second part of the season and that didn't help and overall I believe

:06:05.:06:08.

that the players came back in a very strong togetherness.

:06:09.:06:11.

Liverpool held on to fourth place, thanks to a 3-0 win over

:06:12.:06:13.

Middlesbrough, so they'll go into Champions League qualifying

:06:14.:06:15.

We fought for each yard the whole season. I'm really happy about this.

:06:16.:06:30.

I thought that's a sign. We should have given all our supporters a

:06:31.:06:36.

round and what a wonderful day for us.

:06:37.:06:40.

A lot of discussion around this this morning.

:06:41.:06:42.

it was always going to be an emotional farewell

:06:43.:06:44.

for John Terry yesterday - his final game for Chelsea -

:06:45.:06:46.

but in reality it all became rather theatrical.

:06:47.:06:48.

The game was halted in the 26th minute -

:06:49.:06:52.

Terry's shirt number in case you were wondering -

:06:53.:06:54.

But as he left the pitch, he was given a guard of honour.

:06:55.:06:58.

Afterwards, he admitted, it was all his idea.

:06:59.:07:00.

Incredible for the players to do that. I've got the relationship with

:07:01.:07:05.

the manager to be able to kind of have them discussions anyway and to

:07:06.:07:10.

go out on 26th minute of my shirt number, to leave the way I'm

:07:11.:07:16.

leaving. If ever there was a case to be leaving, this is the way.

:07:17.:07:19.

Celtic are the first side in more than a century to go an entire

:07:20.:07:22.

season without losing a game in the Scottish top flight.

:07:23.:07:25.

They secured the title some seven weeks ago and they signed off

:07:26.:07:28.

with a 2-0 win over Hearts, before getting their hands

:07:29.:07:30.

Celtic are still in line to win the treble with the Scottish Cup

:07:31.:07:34.

Wicketkeeper Sarah Taylor has been named in the England squad for

:07:35.:07:38.

She rejoined the camp last month after taking a year-long break

:07:39.:07:43.

Heather Knight has been named as captain.

:07:44.:07:46.

England's first match is against India on 24th June.

:07:47.:07:51.

There's been a huge blow to the British and Irish Lions

:07:52.:07:54.

as they prepare to head out on their tour of New Zealand.

:07:55.:07:56.

Number eight Billy Vunipola will not be going.

:07:57.:08:01.

He has been managing a shoulder injury but it now

:08:02.:08:04.

Wasps and England back row James Haskell will

:08:05.:08:07.

I'll have more in the next half hour.

:08:08.:08:15.

This programme has been told that a police inquiry into deaths

:08:16.:08:24.

at a mental health trust could investigate up to 20 cases.

:08:25.:08:28.

It follows fresh investigations into the death of Matthew Leahy,

:08:29.:08:34.

who was found hanged at Linden Centre in 2012.

:08:35.:08:36.

His mother, Melanie Leahy, said her talks with Essex Police

:08:37.:08:39.

suggested the cases had taken place in the last 17 years.

:08:40.:08:44.

Our reporter Simon Cox has been investigating.

:08:45.:08:48.

We played you his full report earlier, here's a short extract.

:08:49.:08:51.

Matthew Leahy, a bright, sporty student.

:08:52.:09:00.

In his teens, he began smoking cannabis and having hallucinations.

:09:01.:09:03.

By 2012, his mental health had spiralled. Matthew was a patient

:09:04.:09:11.

at the Linden Centre, run by the North Essex

:09:12.:09:13.

A week after being admitted, the centre phoned his mum.

:09:14.:09:28.

"Matthew's been found hanging, it doesn't look good."

:09:29.:09:32.

I couldn't breathe, I fell to the floor on my knees.

:09:33.:09:35.

Just 20 when he died, at his inquest the jury

:09:36.:09:38.

Each patient supposedly has a care plan, and it came to light that

:09:39.:09:42.

Matthew had no care plan, he had no key worker, no-one knew,

:09:43.:09:45.

for two days there wasn't even any observation sheets,

:09:46.:09:47.

The police report says, "Matthew was taken to a place of safety."

:09:48.:09:58.

It was the most unsafe place he could have been.

:09:59.:10:06.

I remember him texting me, "Mum, please let me come

:10:07.:10:09.

The inquest jury said Matthew had been subjected to a series

:10:10.:10:13.

of multiple failings and missed opportunities over

:10:14.:10:14.

After the inquest, the coroner suggested that the Trust told

:10:15.:10:18.

a public inquiry into Matthew's death, but they said it would be too

:10:19.:10:21.

expensive and it would take money away from frontline services.

:10:22.:10:26.

We've learned Essex Police have launched an investigation

:10:27.:10:29.

into deaths at the Linden Centre going back to the year 2000.

:10:30.:10:32.

Now, the police won't say exactly how many cases they're looking at,

:10:33.:10:36.

but one source has told us that it could be as many as 20

:10:37.:10:39.

The Trust said it was improving systems to ensure investigations

:10:40.:10:47.

are carried out rigorously and thoroughly, and that

:10:48.:10:50.

learning shared across the entire organisation.

:10:51.:10:53.

They are also undertaking a full ligature ordered,

:10:54.:11:00.

They are also undertaking a full ligature audit,

:11:01.:11:06.

removing items that could be used by patients to take their own lives.

:11:07.:11:09.

That's what Melanie Leahy's trying to ensure, by supporting other

:11:10.:11:12.

families going through the same trauma she faced.

:11:13.:11:14.

At the coroner's court, she's meeting another member

:11:15.:11:16.

of the club, Lisa Morris, whose son Ben hung himself

:11:17.:11:19.

I do believe Ben's death is one of the 20-odd

:11:20.:11:28.

that they are looking into, and that makes me angry as well.

:11:29.:11:35.

Since 2000, Ben's death, that's 17 years ago.

:11:36.:11:37.

at the Linden Centre restore trust for the grieving families,

:11:38.:11:48.

whose relatives died in the place they were supposed to be safe?

:11:49.:11:58.

Essex Partnership University NHS Foundation Trust which was

:11:59.:12:03.

the North Essex Partnership NHS Trust at the time of the deaths told

:12:04.:12:06.

us, "The history of serious incidents of self-harm

:12:07.:12:08.

at the Linden Centre is a matter of great concern that the Trust has

:12:09.:12:14.

already recognised must be addressed and that it had set

:12:15.:12:16.

aside significant funding so it was ready to take prompt

:12:17.:12:18.

actions following the results of an audit of risks

:12:19.:12:24.

of patients using ligatures to take their own lives."

:12:25.:12:27.

Her mum Valerie took her own life in October 2015 while on day release

:12:28.:12:33.

from a different hospital run by what was then

:12:34.:12:35.

Deborah Coles is from the charity Inquest which contributed

:12:36.:12:41.

to a Care Quality Commission enquiry into hospital deaths

:12:42.:12:43.

And Sean Duggan is the Chief Executive Officer

:12:44.:12:47.

of the Mental Health Network which represents NHS Trusts.

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Tanya has joined us too. It is not her real name. She is a former nurse

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who worked at the Linden Centre. Tanya, thank you very much for

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getting in touch with us. Tell us your own experience. I just want to

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say firstly this doesn't relate to all psychiatric nurses across the

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area. We have a really, really hard job. My experience dates back to

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when the Linden Centre first opened and I worked there. I pointed out on

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various occasions that there are many flaws where people could

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self-harm. In fact, I now suffer from post traumatic distress after a

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violent incident after discovering someone who had died and I have not

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worked since and I have been ill myself. I had no support in the day

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we had a debriefing After the incident. A consultant said, "As

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long as we don't... INAUDIBLE

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Sorry, I didn't hear the last sentence. As long as we have no more

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than three deaths we have met our quota. As long as it had no more

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than three deaths a year? Yes. And I'm waiting to go to the doctor now.

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I have only come out of hospital myself recently again after trying

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to take my own life, but because I was in hospital, it reminded, the

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smells remachineded me of the Linden Centre that it wasn't doing me any

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favours in there. Tanya, thank you very much. Thank you for getting in

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touch. Not all nurse are bad though. No. No. No. Oh my gosh, absolutely.

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That goes without saying. Thank you very much, Tanya.

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Essex Partnership University NHS Foundation Trust which was

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the North Essex Partnership NHS Trust at the time of the deaths told

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us, "The history of serious incidents of self-harm

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at the Linden Centre is a matter of great concern that the Trust has

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already recognised must be addressed."

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President Trump has landed in Israel and we may interrupt our

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conversation to show you live pictures.

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'S depression. It got worse in about 2013. -- tell us about your mother's

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depression. It had been ongoing and never diagnosed about exactly what

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it was. But it was a recurrent depressive disorder, definitely. And

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she did attempt suicide in 2013. She was a hospital until 2015, when she

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did commit suicide. On day release. And trust have investigated the

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circumstances. Have you had the outcome of that report yet? There

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was one serious incident report that was found to be inadequate, which

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cost us a lot of stress and went on for a long time. It was not really

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independent. That was investigated by Verita and was found to be not

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adequate for purpose. That impeded on the inquest because we had no

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incident reports to take to the inquest, so there were problems

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there. They were just going to leave it at that and say they had learnt

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lessons but we insisted they redo the inquest, the serious incident

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report, to make sure it was done properly, to make sure they could

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actually do it. We are still waiting and we have just actually been put

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back again on it, so we wrote a big complaint, which now hopefully we

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will meet someone higher up in the trusts to see why they cannot even

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do a serious incident report. And Deborah, how shocking is it that

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this number of people have been able to take their own life at a

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particular centre run by one mental health trust? I think the family

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summed it up. You expect to go into a mental health setting and be safe.

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For repeated deaths to happen under similar circumstances, to me that

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highlights the fundamental problems with the way in which these deaths

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are investigated. The fact that they are not independently investigated,

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that families are very often not involved, but importantly it shows a

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shocking lack of learning and accountability, and a failure of

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governance and leadership. And that, I think, also begs questions about

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the regulator, the Care Quality Commission. Bipin for various

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recommendations for this particular trust to improve. They did, but you

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have to monitor and ensure that those recommendations have been

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commented. I think that is the biggest frustration and distress for

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the families, to know that they have suffered a death and they hoped

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action would be taken to prevent similar deaths, only to find out

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that another person has died in almost identical circumstances.

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There are questions across the NHS, and for the CQC, as to how the

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situation at this hospital was able to happen. Sean Dodd, what is the

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situation with staffing at these mental health units? They have a lot

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of staff, and many hospitals have the required amount of nurses and

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hospital doctors. But in other parts, they're finding it difficult

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to recruit. Staffing is a difficult issue for many services. And some

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are understaffed. Some are using more agencies and we would like in

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the balance between that is important. If you have permanent

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staff, but now the patients, that is something we would strive for, but I

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would like to say little bit about the mental health context because I

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think it is important to set the scene on how we resolve things

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moving forward. It has been known for decades that mental health has

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been an underinvested part of the health in total. And that successive

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governments, three years ago there was an independent task force around

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mental health, that was supposed to look at issues like this, preventing

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suicide, better health care for children, and that came up with a

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five-year plan. We are to make years into that and there has been some

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difficulty in getting the money into NHS trusts. But it is now starting

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to come through. For the next government, it is absolutely

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essential that that is committed to. And the investment needs to go

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through because it is linked directly with workforce. There is a

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lack of money, of course, which makes it more difficult to get the

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workforce right. This is not going to be a reassurance to Sofia and I

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am sorry about that but that is the context of mental health. Let me

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read an e-mail from Cassie. She says I spent a brief amount of time in

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the Linden Centre four years ago and they saved my life. I cannot fault

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the environment. I feel sad for the families who have lost loved ones,

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and ogle the centre should be a safe place, it will not stop someone

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determined to end their life. They will do anything they can. -- and

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although the centre. Sandra says, my son was admitted to the Linden

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Centre on many occasions over the last ten years. My son was left

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unattended and the staff were disengaged. He was at high risk. The

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patients also had to sleep on the floor under were not enough beds.

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Aaron us as well. Good morning. You are at the Linden Centre three

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times. Tell us about the care that you received. I cannot praise them

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enough. It is an extremely difficult job for them to do. Because when you

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are hell-bent on trying to commit suicide, nothing will stop you. It

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is really, really horrible. It is not a nice place to be, and the

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staff themselves were lovely. But like I say, you cannot get into the

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brain of the person who is trying to do it to just give them instructions

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to stop. It took me out of normal life. And it does calm me down a

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lot, but you cannot live there forever. Sure, but do you feel that

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if it was not for the way you were cared for at the Linden Centre, you

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perhaps would not be here now? That's right. I would say that

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without their help I most probably would not be here. Thank you very

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much for getting in touch. I have one more message here from Alice.

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Depression and suicidal behaviour are a far bigger issue than society

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would like to admit. The blame falls on caregivers and failing

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institutions with a real conversation is being ignored.

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Treatments are ineffective and often the side effects outweigh the

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benefits. Psychological intervention is not accessible enough and is not

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offered and young enough ages. We need to take a long, hard look at

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how we treat this type of illness because the numbers keep rising and

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resources are becoming more scarce. Becky very much, all of you. I'm

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sorry, did you want to say something? I would like to say that

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there is this myth that people cannot be stopped from committing

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suicide. That is the problem. Years ago, there used to be a silence that

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were places of safety, and they would have long-term care. Nowadays,

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there is no long-term care. And also, people are left. My mother was

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a voluntary patient and although there have been things with law, and

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nobody is protecting the voluntary patient. They can come and go with

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impunity, which is what happened with my mother. Although some of the

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staff are brilliant and some lives are saved, there is definitely more

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that can be done. And in history, we look back and say, what was going

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on, why were so many people dying he did not have to die in this time.

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Thank you all of you for coming on the programme.

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The deadline to register to vote closes at midnight tonight -

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with fresh warnings that young people won't be properly represented

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when the UK goes to the polls - because not enough have either

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register or say they're even going to vote.

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Radio 1 Newsbeat's politics editor Jonathan Blake is here.

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Actually... In your opinion, how do you think Brexit will affect you and

:23:26.:23:31.

other young people in the next ten years? There is plenty of passion

:23:32.:23:35.

for politics here in Cardiff. In exchange for free coffee, these

:23:36.:23:38.

young voters are talking about the issues most important to them.

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Democracy cafe events have been held around the UK as a way of

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encouraging younger people to register to vote. I think the main

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reason young people do not vote is because they feel as though they do

:23:52.:23:54.

not know enough or they feel as though they have not had enough life

:23:55.:23:57.

experience to merit being able to vote. We are easy to leave out. We

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are easy to let down because we do not kick up a fuss. We should be let

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down if we are not on the register because let's be honest, why would

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they allow us to have those if we do not register? A lot of people in

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Brexit, they surround themselves with group of friends who were all

:24:18.:24:20.

remainders or were all going to leave. Everybody was surprised by

:24:21.:24:27.

the result. We are keeping in our own safe spaces, and we are not

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challenging each other. But for a lot of young people politics is

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still a no-go zone. This drum and bass group, currently working on a

:24:37.:24:40.

new album, are taking time out to encourage younger people to register

:24:41.:24:44.

to vote, hoping that music will help them get the message. When I was

:24:45.:24:47.

young I did not feel like we could do much. I did not feel like I had

:24:48.:24:50.

much control to change anything because so many people are voting,

:24:51.:24:55.

and I think it is important for me to educate myself, and work out what

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options I had. That took a while and I did not really thought until I was

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26. I never voted myself and this is the first time I will be voting. I

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think if we can show our fans, the people that follow us, that it is

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actually, you can make a difference. I was really inspired and I think it

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is important to at least look at what is out there. Politics is so

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important, it seems like such a horrible word, but what it means is

:25:26.:25:29.

our everyday lives, it is the way our lives are going to be governed,

:25:30.:25:34.

the way we're to live. So to vote, to use your vote, to register to

:25:35.:25:42.

vote is everyday life. Rage is key to rap. You have to understand that.

:25:43.:25:46.

You have that fire in your belly.. Brown often talks politics on stage

:25:47.:25:52.

and tries in his music to reflect real life. -- Doc Brown. He is

:25:53.:25:58.

trying to use his voice to encourage people to vote. It is something

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close to my heart and I feel like kids and people in their late teens

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and early 20s, these are the freshest voices in the country.

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These are people that might actually have some good ideas on where we go

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next. Regardless of what government it is, Labour, Conservative, Ukip,

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whoever runs the country, we are inevitably ruled by people in the

:26:23.:26:25.

latter stages of their life. No disrespect to people of that age,

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but they do things in a certain way. And it would be quite interesting to

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see what people under 25 want to say and want to do, and how they view

:26:38.:26:40.

our country, how they view our future, because they are the future.

:26:41.:26:49.

This site, its job is to give you an overview of what the options are in

:26:50.:26:52.

the election. Technology is playing a part in making some people -- up

:26:53.:26:59.

in some people make up their mind. This site is one of many helping

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voters to cut through the noise and find out how effective they are

:27:03.:27:06.

thought to be. In this instance a nurse and has entered their vote and

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they want to go for a hard Brexit. This is compiling a number of pieces

:27:13.:27:17.

of information, matching your view, looking at the chances of success

:27:18.:27:21.

and weighing up what could or could not happen, and giving you a total

:27:22.:27:25.

score. If you want to cast a vote on June eight, there is a good chance

:27:26.:27:28.

that you would achieve what it is you wanted to do. The parties

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epitope manifestos telling us what they will do in government and

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people can read those, but it seems like you have found a gap, which is

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cutting through all that information, those promises, and

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people need that and want it, it seems. This is commonly known as

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voter advice applications or VAAs, but they are not new. They have been

:27:52.:27:55.

around since the 1980s but we think they have come into the fourth front

:27:56.:27:59.

because we can do this faster, or previously we would have needed a

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massive team of researchers to do this. -- they have come into the

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forefront. This election is, as a shock and many are hoping that the

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number of voters taking part will also be a surprise. How many adults

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bother to vote? Not many. In the last election in 2015, we concede

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that among 18-24 year olds, 43% of people turned out to vote. If you

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compare that with pensioners, 78% over-65s. The overall turnout, 66%.

:28:31.:28:35.

Young people voting with below the average numbers. In terms of those

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registering, which will give us an indication of how many might vote

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this time around, since the election was called, 2 million people in

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total, roughly, have registered to vote and around 600,000 under 25 is.

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We would expect a larger proportion of those registered to be younger

:28:53.:28:57.

because they have turned 18, perhaps they have moved away to university

:28:58.:29:01.

or back home. But the Electoral Commission estimates that there are

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7 million people in total who are not registered so that deadline is

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coming tonight. There may well be a last-minute rush. 7 million people

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will not register by midnight. They might struggle. We might see

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problems with the website to that happens. But we have seen a spiked

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because they by Dave the government has been updating the figures online

:29:20.:29:23.

for the number of people registering. If we look at this

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snapshot from yesterday, we can see a big spike. 90,000 people under 25

:29:27.:29:31.

registering to vote yesterday alone. So as the midnight deadline

:29:32.:29:35.

approaches, we will probably see that rising higher. The first past

:29:36.:29:39.

the post system is one reason why people often say, there is no point

:29:40.:29:43.

because Marvel does not count. Explain what the first past the post

:29:44.:29:47.

system is and why it affects voter numbers. The system is what we have

:29:48.:29:55.

in this country, or by one party has to get past more than half the seats

:29:56.:29:59.

of Parliament to form a government. As soon as they have done that, they

:30:00.:30:03.

are in charge. What we hear from you people talking about politics is

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just that. I'm not going to vote because it will make no difference.

:30:07.:30:10.

If you live in an area which is a safe Conservative seat or a safe

:30:11.:30:13.

Labour seat, you might think that you like what the greens or Ukip as

:30:14.:30:17.

to say it one of the smaller parties, and your vote may not make

:30:18.:30:20.

a difference because it might make a dent in the majority but it will not

:30:21.:30:24.

be reflected nationally. Obviously arguments for the first past the

:30:25.:30:29.

post system say that it helps us with directorate hesitation in each

:30:30.:30:33.

constituency across the UK. That is one thing that comes up time and

:30:34.:30:37.

time again. If we look at the split from the last general election in

:30:38.:30:41.

2015, you can see why the parties argue differently on this because in

:30:42.:30:46.

terms of Conservative support, it is by far and away from older voters

:30:47.:30:51.

over 65. Almost half. And it has almost flipped between younger

:30:52.:30:56.

voters under 25, almost half to four Labour. And a good deal more support

:30:57.:31:02.

for the smaller parties. How younger people being encouraged to register

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to vote this time? There is less time it get younger

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people engage and get them to register to vote. We have seen

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several campaigns online, takeover of Twitter and Facebook and

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Instagram if you have tried to post a selfie you might have noticed a

:31:22.:31:25.

special filter coming in encouraging you to register to vote and ways

:31:26.:31:30.

online of trying to engage young people through the issues rather

:31:31.:31:32.

than the parties because that's the way than more than likely they will

:31:33.:31:36.

get encouraged to be involved in politics and to actually be

:31:37.:31:46.

motivated to vote. And you're taking part in the Newsbeat vote? Yes, we

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will be in Manchester on 6th June with an audience of 120 young

:31:54.:31:58.

people, representatives from the seven major parties and we will be

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live on the BBC One after the news that night.

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President Trump has arrived in Israel. He is due to meet Israeli

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and Palestinian leaders and visit a until of holy sites. Let's watch

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some of it with our correspondent who is there for BBC World.

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Israelis are going to mark Jerusalem Day. That's the day when they

:32:19.:32:24.

celebrate the anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem as they

:32:25.:32:28.

see it when it was captured in the 1967 Middle East war. This year,

:32:29.:32:32.

because it is the 50th anniversary, Mr Trump will see from his hotel in

:32:33.:32:36.

Jerusalem that there are celebrations taking place with a

:32:37.:32:39.

nightly light show for example. So it will be hard for him to miss that

:32:40.:32:43.

and hard for him to miss the significance of that, but the

:32:44.:32:46.

indications are from officials at the moment on the American side that

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there will not be the embassy move at this time. We have been closely

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following, of course... We have got the live pictures. We are watching

:32:59.:33:03.

closely. I wonder if we can keep you with us for a moment what the

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reaction was in Israel to President Trump's visit to Saudi, particularly

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the comments he made, the criticism that he made of Iran yesterday?

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Well, of course, Israel sees Iran as being it's enemy. It is extremely

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worried about its nuclear programme although there was concern among

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Israeli politicians about the arms deals that President Trump was

:33:31.:33:34.

signing with Saudi Arabia, at the same time, there was some acceptance

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that this could be something that's important to Israel as well. I think

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that's something that President Trump will be trying to stress on

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this trip, but there are common security concerns between the Sunni

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Arab countries in the Gulf and also between Israel. He's trying to

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already achieve some kind of thawing in the diplomatic freeze that there

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has been between them. They have never recognised the Arab countries

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apart from Jordan and Egypt, the existence of Israel as a state. So,

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if he can achieve something in terms of finding common ground between

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them that will be very important. Already, there are some suggestions

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that security, intelligence is shared when it comes to Iran for

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example. That's something President Trump is really going to be building

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on as he continues the political meetings. I should mention too that

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the Palestinian president was among those leaders who were in Riyadh.

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That's been cited as another reason why his trip to Bethlehem and to the

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West Bank will just be a very short one. Of course, Mahmoud Abbas was at

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the White House earlier this mon. So lots has been going on behind the

:34:52.:34:55.

scenes in advance of this visit to ease things now and we should get a

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much clearer idea of the shape of US policy towards this part of the

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Middle East. Absolutely, we're just seeing the

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red carpet and we can see the Prime Minister and his wife Sarah and the

:35:08.:35:12.

president there too waiting for Mr Trump. But Mr Trump has a large team

:35:13.:35:19.

with him including his incredibly influential son-in-law. What kind of

:35:20.:35:23.

views does he have on the Middle East Peace Process and how could

:35:24.:35:30.

they influence his father-in-law? Well, his son-in-law is senior

:35:31.:35:38.

advisor. He is here with his wife Ivanka Trump. His family is said to

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have had close relations with the family. His family as well as the

:35:55.:36:03.

family of the new US ambassador to Israel appointed by Mr Trump, his

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former lawyer, well, they have close associations actually with solicitor

:36:09.:36:12.

of the settlements. In particular, one which is close to ra mullah in

:36:13.:36:17.

the West Bank. So that caused a lot of concern also about what this new

:36:18.:36:22.

administration's policy could be when it comes to settlements and

:36:23.:36:27.

early on, not long after Mr Trump took office we saw thousands of

:36:28.:36:31.

homes being announced in the West Bank and East Jerusalem by the

:36:32.:36:39.

Israelis. That continued until we had that visit of Netanyahu at the

:36:40.:36:45.

White House. That's when Mr Trump said he wanted Mr Netanyahu to hold

:36:46.:36:50.

back a little as he tried to revive peace efforts. It is interesting to

:36:51.:37:01.

see the involvement and one of Mr Trump's aides. He has been here in

:37:02.:37:05.

advance of the visit trying to set-up the political meetings that

:37:06.:37:08.

will take place and go through many of the details. He has been in the

:37:09.:37:11.

region. It was at the Arab summit when I was there a few weeks ago in

:37:12.:37:17.

Jordan at the Dead Sea, having private meetings with the different

:37:18.:37:20.

Arab leaders. So this all gives you a sense of how much this new

:37:21.:37:26.

administration is prioritising this long-standing Middle East conflict

:37:27.:37:30.

as something that it wants to address, even though, of course,

:37:31.:37:32.

there are many other problems in this region that the US has to

:37:33.:37:38.

address as well and of course, despite President Trump's

:37:39.:37:40.

considerable domestic difficulties too. It is a long-standing

:37:41.:37:52.

commitment by the US towards Israel support.

:37:53.:37:58.

Can you tell our viewers about that relationship, about just how much

:37:59.:38:08.

the US supports Israel militarily. There is huge support despite the

:38:09.:38:12.

strange relations between Mr Netanyahu and the previous

:38:13.:38:16.

president, Barack Obama, it was announced during his time in office,

:38:17.:38:22.

a deal that gives $38 billion to Israel over the course of a decade

:38:23.:38:26.

in terms of military aid. So that military...

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STUDIO: We're going to leave that. Clearly, we were waiting for

:38:30.:38:32.

President Trump to walk down the steps on to the red carpet, but

:38:33.:38:36.

we're leaving that because the Green Party are launching their manifesto

:38:37.:38:43.

this morning. Here is the co-leader. A future that we can all be proud

:38:44.:38:51.

of. Confident because we're creating a resilient and diverse and people

:38:52.:38:56.

powered economy that allows us to live larger lives and cope with the

:38:57.:39:03.

challenges ahead. Caring because we're redefining the Welfare State.

:39:04.:39:08.

Striving to end inequality and committed to redistricting both

:39:09.:39:15.

wealth and power. We have the fifth largest economy in the world. In

:39:16.:39:21.

such a country no renter should have to live in damp, cold or neglected

:39:22.:39:26.

accommodation. No parent should have to compete with other parents to

:39:27.:39:32.

find their child a decent school. No one should have to wait ten hours in

:39:33.:39:37.

an emergency ward before getting the care and attention they need. When I

:39:38.:39:43.

go to my children's school I walk in to the foyer and I'm presented with

:39:44.:39:47.

a huge board right in the middle of the school. Everyone sees it when

:39:48.:39:52.

they come in and on that board are three circles. In those circles is

:39:53.:39:58.

every picture of every child in the school with their name underneath

:39:59.:40:01.

and those children that have made three levels of progress are there

:40:02.:40:05.

in the centre, that's where two of my children are. Those children that

:40:06.:40:09.

have made no progress are pictured on the outside of those circles.

:40:10.:40:15.

Stigmatised for everyone to see. None of my children want that. None

:40:16.:40:19.

of the teachers in their heart of hearts want that. They want an

:40:20.:40:23.

education system that works for everyone. I go to a hospital, as I

:40:24.:40:30.

did last year, and I go with my son as a regular user, I don't want to

:40:31.:40:35.

have to have my hospital appointment cancelled three times, my operation

:40:36.:40:38.

cancelled three times for my son. It's not fair on him. It's not fair

:40:39.:40:44.

on the others. When I go to a basic hospital appointment I don't want to

:40:45.:40:49.

want to wait two hours only for that appointment to be cancelled. We can

:40:50.:40:55.

have a different future. One where we all have the security and the

:40:56.:41:00.

choices we deserve. For a basic income which allows us to fulfil our

:41:01.:41:03.

potential and yes, let's say it, our dreams. No one should tell you that

:41:04.:41:09.

your voice doesn't matter. But when it comes to the biggest decision

:41:10.:41:13.

this country has faced in generations, you will not get a say

:41:14.:41:19.

on whether having seen what life outside the EU will look like we

:41:20.:41:23.

should choose that future or choose to remain. The media, with respect,

:41:24.:41:30.

and the old parties, will tell you that there are only two options on

:41:31.:41:35.

the ballot paper at they election. It's not true. That is a disservice

:41:36.:41:43.

to our democracy. If you believe in a welcoming Britain, a country of

:41:44.:41:47.

compassion, a fair economy where those with the most contribute more,

:41:48.:41:53.

the protection of our countryside, a nation confident enough to build

:41:54.:41:58.

bridges, not walls, then you have a choice. If you believe things can

:41:59.:42:04.

change for the better and that the next generation must be defined by

:42:05.:42:09.

fairness, not foodbanks, then we will give you that choice. If you

:42:10.:42:14.

believe that our future will be defined not by the size of our

:42:15.:42:19.

nuclear arsenal, but by harnessing the enormous potential of the people

:42:20.:42:23.

who live right here in this country, then join us and stand up for what

:42:24.:42:30.

really matters. And on 8th June, choose a positive future and vote

:42:31.:42:35.

Green for a confident and caring Britain.

:42:36.:42:43.

Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan. I'm very, very

:42:44.:42:49.

proud to introduce Caroline Lucas. She's defending to be re-elected as

:42:50.:42:58.

MP for Brighton Pavilion for the second time and she just gets more

:42:59.:43:02.

and more popular as far as I can tell. Thank you very much, Sian.

:43:03.:43:04.

Thank you to everyone for being here. I'm delighted to be with

:43:05.:43:10.

Jonathan and launching this wonderful Green Guarantee and first

:43:11.:43:24.

of all I want to thank Yra. They have been getting behind bold,

:43:25.:43:31.

creative new ideas and shaping the future through brave leadership and

:43:32.:43:37.

by being here today we're choosing a future of opportunities for pioneers

:43:38.:43:42.

and inowe vai fors like them. -- innovators. We are here choosing a

:43:43.:43:47.

new type of economy that meets people's needs and makes sure we

:43:48.:43:50.

protect the environment. A confident and caring Britain that reaches for

:43:51.:43:55.

a bigger future that we can be proud of. The Green Guarantee is about

:43:56.:44:02.

hope and we need hope now like never before. I can't remember a time in

:44:03.:44:09.

my own lifetime where the future has felt more uncertain with Brexit,

:44:10.:44:15.

with accelerating climate change, with an NHS in crisis. We face

:44:16.:44:19.

challenges that we can't possibly pretend to fix in the next 100 days

:44:20.:44:26.

or the next 1,000. Threats to our economic future, threats to our

:44:27.:44:30.

security, threats to our planet. But ours is a message of hope because we

:44:31.:44:35.

believe that if we stand together for what matters, we can change the

:44:36.:44:41.

course of historiment we can meet these enormous challenges. So while

:44:42.:44:45.

other parties ignore the environment, the Greens will protect

:44:46.:44:49.

it. We will continue to set the agenda with bold policies to

:44:50.:44:53.

transform people's lives, with things like a pilot for a basic

:44:54.:44:57.

income scheme and a shorter working weekment we'll protect the NHS.

:44:58.:45:01.

We'll properly fund it, yes, but crucially, we'll also take the

:45:02.:45:05.

private sector out of it. We'll repeal the Health and Social Care

:45:06.:45:13.

Act and replace it with the NHS Eninstatement Act, that's a Bill I

:45:14.:45:16.

have had the pleasure of promoting to Parliament a couple of times.

:45:17.:45:19.

We'll proudly stand up for free movement and we'll give the British

:45:20.:45:24.

people an explicit option to remain part of the EU as part of a

:45:25.:45:28.

ratification referendum on the Brexit deal. Let

:45:29.:45:32.

say a few more words about Brexit, this huge challenge that is facing

:45:33.:45:39.

us. And in our view, this huge threat facing us in terms of the

:45:40.:45:43.

extreme Brexit which Theresa May is pressuring. Let me make this plane,

:45:44.:45:48.

she has no mandate for the type of Brexit Shias pursue in, out of the

:45:49.:45:53.

customs union, leaving key environmental protections behind,

:45:54.:45:56.

leaving the free movement. That was not on the ballot paper. Yes, there

:45:57.:46:00.

was a vote to leave but it is not clear what that leave looks like in

:46:01.:46:04.

practice, which is why we say it is right for the British public to have

:46:05.:46:08.

a vote to leave but it is not clear what that leave looks like in

:46:09.:46:10.

practice, which is why we say it is right for the British public to have

:46:11.:46:13.

the final say on the deal, not just MPs, as Theresa May would have it.

:46:14.:46:16.

It was the British people that started this process and we should

:46:17.:46:19.

be able to look at the small print of the final deal, and if we like

:46:20.:46:22.

it, fine. But if they do not, then they should have, we should have the

:46:23.:46:25.

right to remain inside the EU. And that is what the Green Party is

:46:26.:46:29.

offering. We are also saying to EU nationals who have made their lives

:46:30.:46:32.

here in good faith, that of course your future here should be

:46:33.:46:37.

guaranteed immediately and now, not using them cynically as bargaining

:46:38.:46:41.

chips, as Theresa May is doing. And we are the one party that is proud

:46:42.:46:46.

to stand up for the wonderful gift that is free movement. It is an

:46:47.:46:50.

extraordinary and precious gift to be able to work on travel and live

:46:51.:46:54.

and learn and love in 27 other member states. I want my kids to

:46:55.:46:59.

benefit from that and I want everyone's kids to benefit from

:47:00.:47:03.

that. I want to broaden that out so everyone can benefit. And I feel

:47:04.:47:06.

that in particular it is young people who have been betrayed by

:47:07.:47:10.

this Brexit vote because we know the majority of young people want to

:47:11.:47:15.

stay in side the EU. And in our guarantee today we are talking

:47:16.:47:19.

particularly to young people. We're making a pitch to them saying not

:47:20.:47:23.

just that we think they have been betrayed by the decision on this

:47:24.:47:27.

extreme Brexit, but also they are being burdened by debt. That is why

:47:28.:47:31.

we would scrap tuition fees and we are delighted Labour have caught up

:47:32.:47:35.

with us on that one. It is also why we want to see a genuinely

:47:36.:47:41.

affordable housing, including rent caps and longer tenancies. We are

:47:42.:47:45.

setting up our living rent commission to figure out what would

:47:46.:47:48.

be a reasonable rent, given the cost of living in different areas, rather

:47:49.:47:51.

than making it clear that young people will never be able to save up

:47:52.:47:55.

enough for any kind of deposit because they're possibly paying rent

:47:56.:47:59.

over the odds. But also one of the biggest ways we are letting down

:48:00.:48:03.

young people is on the environment. Last year was the hottest year on

:48:04.:48:08.

record. The 2016 state of nature report said that 60% of species in

:48:09.:48:13.

the UK are in long-term decline and 15% and risk of disappearing from

:48:14.:48:17.

our assurers altogether. We launched an environment manifesto

:48:18.:48:22.

specifically last month and in that we pledged a new environment

:48:23.:48:25.

protection act which would safeguard and enhance the environment upon

:48:26.:48:29.

which we depend for literally everything. It sets out our approach

:48:30.:48:36.

to keep threats like air pollution in check. It is a public health

:48:37.:48:41.

emergency links to the premature deaths of 40,000 in this country and

:48:42.:48:46.

yet it hardly even made it into the Tory manifesto. It sets out the kind

:48:47.:48:51.

of policies we have around investment in renewables, and energy

:48:52.:48:54.

efficiency, keeping fossil fuels in the ground. But crucially it sets

:48:55.:48:57.

out how we would protect that body of EU law that currently protects

:48:58.:49:02.

the environment and which we need to have safeguarded and enhanced in a

:49:03.:49:04.

post-Brexit world. We are talking about making sure that that

:49:05.:49:10.

legislation is not from the EU to the UK statute books but that it is

:49:11.:49:14.

properly enforceable. We need the legal architecture there to make

:49:15.:49:18.

sure that in the absence of a European Commission or the European

:49:19.:49:21.

court of justice, we can enforce that law. So Brexit, the

:49:22.:49:28.

environment, the NHS in crisis, we face huge challenges but I am proud

:49:29.:49:35.

that the Green Party is at least beginning to ask those questions and

:49:36.:49:38.

get some of the answers as well. We want to have a debate with you about

:49:39.:49:42.

the kind of answers to these questions that we face today. This

:49:43.:49:45.

election is about what kind of future we want for our children. It

:49:46.:49:51.

is about protecting our values of openness and compassion, of

:49:52.:49:54.

cooperation. It is about our promise that a competent and caring future

:49:55.:49:59.

is possible, if we work together, if we do politics differently, and if

:50:00.:50:04.

we dare to be more ambitious. So the guarantee says that we are ready and

:50:05.:50:08.

we hope you will join us by putting green on June the 8th. Applause.

:50:09.:50:18.

Caroline Lucas will be taking part in a car share later in this

:50:19.:50:20.

programme this week. Drake toppled Adele's record

:50:21.:50:23.

for the most prizes in a single night at the Billboard Music Awards

:50:24.:50:27.

with a total of 13 awards. There is a fantastic photograph of

:50:28.:50:37.

him with all of the awards and it looks like he has Photoshopped them,

:50:38.:50:42.

that is how ridiculous this is. A few years ago, Adele got 12 but now

:50:43.:50:46.

he walks away with 22 nominations, going into this, and he seemed very

:50:47.:50:51.

humbled, as well. We have a clip of him coming up. His head down, he

:50:52.:50:58.

cannot believe it. And then Nicky Minaya, there was a bit of beef

:50:59.:51:05.

between them in the past, -- template. He name checked from the

:51:06.:51:12.

stage. Not many winners apart from them. Beyonce won a few, the female

:51:13.:51:18.

categories, and 21 Pilots in the rock categories. And to be met, she

:51:19.:51:25.

had her 71st birthday on Saturday, and her court was, I was 71

:51:26.:51:31.

yesterday and I can do a five-minute plank, just saying. How brilliant is

:51:32.:51:39.

that! Do we have a clip of Drake? I have my whole family appear, look at

:51:40.:51:43.

my dad looking sharp. I have got the man that is responsible for me being

:51:44.:51:47.

here. I have a lot of my life up here, too. And I just want to say

:51:48.:51:53.

the mottled tight, Adele, because when the new thing drops, you will

:51:54.:52:04.

come back to take your record back. Not a good night for a British

:52:05.:52:12.

artists. Yes, you tend to see year-on-year that one artist

:52:13.:52:15.

dominates. But as far as the big prizes, all Americans, although Ed

:52:16.:52:20.

Sheeran performed. Internal documents used by Facebook, who

:52:21.:52:24.

trained staff to moderate internal content appears to show that the

:52:25.:52:29.

engine giant is in some places tolerant of violent threats, forms

:52:30.:52:34.

of bullying and live videos of self harm. The information matters

:52:35.:52:40.

because a quarter of the world's population uses Facebook, which

:52:41.:52:43.

seems astonishing. Let's speak to Rory Cellan-Jones. And doctor Rachel

:52:44.:52:48.

O'Connell, an internet safety expert. And a former child safety

:52:49.:52:58.

operator for social networking site, Bebo. Rory, dockers through what has

:52:59.:53:04.

been leaked on what we have learned from these documents. Well, what has

:53:05.:53:08.

been leaked is the internal training documents that are given to these

:53:09.:53:13.

moderators. They are often freelancers, outsourced to different

:53:14.:53:21.

companies, and they are given this course. What is clear is the line

:53:22.:53:27.

that they have to tread between free speech and content which is going to

:53:28.:53:30.

be incredibly offensive to a lot of people. One interesting thing, if

:53:31.:53:36.

you say that someone should Trump, that would be deleted. If it is

:53:37.:53:43.

aimed as a head of state, it is seen as illegal. If you say you want to

:53:44.:53:46.

kill your boyfriend, believed that up because you do not say that --

:53:47.:53:54.

because that does not appear credible. A lot of people will find

:53:55.:54:00.

this disturbing, but if you put videos of physical abuse to

:54:01.:54:03.

children, nonsexual physical abuse, even that may be allowed up as long

:54:04.:54:10.

as it is not seen as celebrating sadism. So a lot of difficult winds

:54:11.:54:15.

to tread, and what this says to me is that this is the biggest problem

:54:16.:54:19.

Facebook faces, and it is exactly the same kind of problem that a

:54:20.:54:24.

media company faces every day. At the BBC and other big media

:54:25.:54:27.

organisations, we have guidelines, detailed guidelines of what is and

:54:28.:54:31.

isn't allowed. They do, too, and they say they are not a media

:54:32.:54:35.

company. Everybody else will say, yes, you are. On that point, what do

:54:36.:54:39.

you think, because Mark Zuckerberg repeats the refrain that they are

:54:40.:54:43.

not a media company but they publish content and they have guidelines.

:54:44.:54:49.

Exactly, and some other things Rory has pointed out, if you are a parent

:54:50.:54:52.

and you have been reporting that there is a video of your child being

:54:53.:54:56.

abused by other kids, you would be really distressed to find out that

:54:57.:55:01.

that distressed is not really matter and is not taken into account. Also,

:55:02.:55:04.

there seems to be a spurious assumption rather than evidence

:55:05.:55:10.

based, an assumption that a video of a violent death somehow raises

:55:11.:55:13.

awareness of mental illness. That is highly problematic and what the BBC

:55:14.:55:19.

and organisations like the Guardian, for example do, they have a set of

:55:20.:55:22.

content standards which has been developed in partnership with mental

:55:23.:55:26.

health experts. They are transparent about them and the decision-making

:55:27.:55:31.

that underpins those. So Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook's assumption

:55:32.:55:34.

that they are platform and they are not responsible for the content that

:55:35.:55:38.

is put up on their site, that is no longer tenable. If you look at the

:55:39.:55:42.

Leave campaign last year, they spend ?4.7 million on targeted ads

:55:43.:55:48.

directed at people because Facebook has up to 92 different data points

:55:49.:55:54.

about you as a person, your relationship, a psychographic

:55:55.:55:57.

profile of your political leanings and sexuality, and they use that to

:55:58.:56:02.

target people. So on the one hand you cannot be taking money on the

:56:03.:56:06.

basis that you can target information, and at the same time

:56:07.:56:10.

say that we cannot be held responsible because we are just a

:56:11.:56:16.

platform. How do you read these guidelines, what do you take from

:56:17.:56:21.

it? I think you see that it is impossible not to make arbitrary

:56:22.:56:23.

decisions around a lot of this content. I think actually these are

:56:24.:56:28.

really hard decisions to make and you are going to upset people one

:56:29.:56:32.

way or the other. Some of these things, like censorship, censoring

:56:33.:56:38.

something that somebody is saying about Donald Trump, that they want

:56:39.:56:44.

to shoot him, that seems to violate someone's free speech because they

:56:45.:56:47.

are almost certainly making a joke. But it isn't surprising that this

:56:48.:56:50.

stuff is arbitrary. We have known it for years. We have that censorship

:56:51.:57:01.

of Vietcong massacre is, we have had censorship of female breast-feeding,

:57:02.:57:06.

because it shows a nipple. All of this is kind of order. But what are

:57:07.:57:13.

they meant to do at the same time? Well, what do Facebook say in

:57:14.:57:17.

response? They do not say much in public. They say we do our best to

:57:18.:57:23.

tread this line and we have hired another 3000 moderators. Off the

:57:24.:57:26.

record, they are saying that actually what these documents show

:57:27.:57:32.

is how thoughtful a process this is, how much emphasis they have put on

:57:33.:57:36.

getting it right. And I think they would point to last year where they

:57:37.:57:40.

got in trouble for not publishing something disturbing, that famous

:57:41.:57:43.

photograph of that naked girl running down the road in Vietnam,

:57:44.:57:47.

having been hit by napalm. They were slammed for not pushing that, and

:57:48.:57:53.

they change their policy. Thank you, all of you. Before we go, just time

:57:54.:57:57.

to show you some footage of the moment young girl is grabbed by a

:57:58.:58:00.

sea lion in Canada. She was sitting on a dark at the Fishermans wharf in

:58:01.:58:06.

British Columbia before being pulled underwater by the Sea lion. As you

:58:07.:58:12.

can hear, onlookers screamed as the girl momentarily disappeared before

:58:13.:58:14.

she was rescued and pulled to safety. On the programme tomorrow,

:58:15.:58:25.

we will be live in Stranraer. We will hear the issues that matter

:58:26.:58:28.

most to voters there, head of the election next month. Thanks for

:58:29.:58:31.

watching. Have a good day. We're back at 9am.

:58:32.:58:34.

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:58:35.:58:38.

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