24/05/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Troops are to be deployed at key locations and events

after the official terror threat was raised to the highest level

This means that their assessment is not only that an attack remains

remains highly likely, but that a further

The Home Secretary Amber Rudd says it seems highly

likely that the bomber, 22-year-old Salman Abedi,

It's thought that he may have visited Libya very recently

It is somebody who they had known before and I'm sure when this

investigation concludes we will be able to find out more.

The mother of a 15-year-old girl who'd been missing

since the explosion has revealed on Facebook that she was

Olivia Campbell's family had made desperate appeals

French Interior Minister said that the Manchester bomber Salman Abedi

is believed to have been travelled to Syria and had proven links with

so-called Islamic State. This from the French Interior Minister. He

said that the Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, is believed to have

travelled to Syria and had, "Proven links with the Islamic state terror

group." Good morning from Manchester. It's a

cool, grey morning and this is a city that's still grieving, clearly.

A city that's still in shock. So many people have said to me, they

still cannot believe it happened. Let me tell you where we're

broadcasting from this morning. We're in Albert Square. It is in the

centre of Manchester, the heart of the city. We're in front of the town

hall and in this square which is where the vigil was held last night,

collections of flowers have sprung up. This is at the bottom of a

statue of a former Bishop of Manchester from the 19th century

James Frazer, but as you can see messages of sympathy, of condolence,

of solidarity actually to those who lost their lives in this city on

Monday night. With love from your Scouse, mates, Rob and Jess. There

is a light that never goes out. Underneath that, we will not be

divided, we will remain united. Prayers and love from Manchester's

Syrian community. You can see a Manchester United scarf there. Over

here we have got a poster which says love overcomes hate. And that really

was the message from the vigil here last night. A hot evening when

thousands of people filled this square. Thousands and thousands of

people and the Bishop of Manchester spoke and the Chief Constable of

Greater Manchester Police spoke in very moving terms about the city

coming together and how what had happened on Monday night would not

divide the communities of this city. There was huge and heartfelt and

grateful applause for the emergency services, the Chief Constable, Ian

Hopkins saying, "I thank you from the bottom of my heart and your

support means so much to my staff and all emergency services

personnel." There were tears through the minute's silence. And I have

seen on social media some people saying, "Well how does lighting a

candle stop the bombs?" I talked to various people here last night. They

said it makes you feel like we're doing something however futile the

gesture of coming together might be, it makes us feel like we're

supporting the relatives of those who were killed on Monday night.

The moment that really resonated with the crowd here last night was

when Manchester Poet Tony Walsh, who is also known as Long Fella

performed his poem This Is The Place. .

This is the place in the North West of England

It's ace, it's the best and the songs that we sing

From the stands, from our bands set the whole planet shaking

There's nowt we can't make and

We make goals that make souls leap from seats in the stands

And we make things from steel and we make things from cotton

And we make people laugh, take the mick summat rotten

And we make you at home and we make you feel welcome

And we make summat happen, we can't seem to help it

And if you're looking for history then yes, we've a wealth

But the Manchester way is to make it yourself

And make us a record, a new number one

And make us a brew while you're up, love.

And make us feel proud that you're winning the league

And make us sing louder and make us believe it

that this is the place that has helped shape the world

And that this the place where a Manchester girl

Led a Suffragette City with sisterhood pride

And this is the place with appliance of science

We're on it, atomic, we strut with defiance

In the face of a challenge we always stand tall

Mancunians in union delivered it all

Such as housing and libraries, and health, education

And unions and co-ops, the first railway station

But we hope you forgive us - we invented computers!

And this is the place Henry Royce strolled with Rolls

And we've rocked and we've rolled with our own Northern Soul

And so this is the place to do business, then dance

Where go-getters and goal setters know they've a chance

And this is the place where we first played as kids

And me Mam lived and died here, she loved it she did

And this is the place where our folks came to work

Where they struggled in puddles, they hurt in the dirt

And they coughed on the cobbles to the deafening sound

Of the steaming machines and the screaming of slaves

They were scheming for greatness, they dreamed to their graves

And they left us a spirit, they left us a vibe

That Mancunian Way to survive and to thrive

And to work and to build, to connect and create and

Greater Manchester's greatness is keeping it great

And so this is the place now we've kids of our own

Some are born here, some drawn here, but we all call it home

And they've covered the cobbles, but they'll never defeat

All the dreamers and schemers who still teem through these streets

Because this is a place that has been through some hard times

Oppressions, recessions, depressions and dark times

But we keep fighting back with Greater Manchester spirit

Northern grit, northern wit in Greater Manchester's lyrics

And there's hard times again in these streets of our city

But we won't take defeat and we don't want your pity

Because this a place where we stand strong together

With a smile on our face, Mancunians Forever

Because this is the place in our hearts, in our homes

Because this is the place that's a part of our bones

Because Manchester gives us such strength from the fact

It was incredibly moving and you heard the applause for Tony Walsh.

We'll talk to him after 10am here in Albert Square. You can see behind me

possibly people stopping to look at the tributes as they go about their

daily business, but mostly in the square, it's journalists from all

over the world, television trucks, and reporters from everywhere to be

honest. We're going to talk now to Phil and Kim Dick.

They were listening to Tony Walsh. Kim and Phil were waiting in the

foyer of Manchester Arena for their daughter and granddaughter who had

been at the concert on Monday night. Phil and Kim, good morning to you.

Good morning. The bomb went off yards from where you were standing

as you were waiting for your daughter and granddaughter. What do

you recall about what you saw and what you heard? It was just... We

were laughing and waiting for our children to come out, all happy to

tell us about the concert and there was just an almighty bang. There was

a flash and then an almighty bang. And then... And everything changed

then. Everything changed. We were thrown to the floor. People were,

there was rubble in the air. There was ash. It was like an ash snow

falling and smoke. We got up. Our automatic, we got up and we realised

the bomb had gun off, but we thought it had gone off in the arena. We

thought we got the backlash and we just panicked and I just started

screaming, "My babies are in there. My babies are in there." There was

bodies everywhere. It was in chaos and... It was awful. It was awful.

There was an eerie silence and wailing and crying and people just,

people were going, I don't know. It was quite confusing the first second

or two. Astonishly you weren't injured, I understand it, you were

therefore able to help? Yes. You were able to help. One 14-year-old

girl, is that right? Just staggering towards me. There was nobody with

her. She was staggering towards me and I just went forward to her to

hold her because I thought she was going to fall over. I grabbed her

and held her. There was blood coming out of her mouth and down her arm

and leg. Her hair was all burnt on her head and her face and blood

coming out of her mouth. There was a plastic bag that was burnt into her

hair. I just held her and I was going, "My babies. My babies." We

got her out to foyer and out through the doors and on to the walkway. I

said, "You look after this little girl. I'll go and find the girls,

our daughter and granddaughter." So I took her out of the foyer or I was

trying to get her out of the foyer doors and her legs just gave me and

I dragged her out through the doors to get to lean against a wall. I

laid her down and that's when the blood was coming out of her mouth. I

thought I better lift her up. I lifted her up and dragged her

against the wall and slumped her against the wall. I was trying to

keep her you and there was blood pouring out. People were just

running around and I was just screaming, "My babies, my babies in

there." ." The girls were saying, "I'm OK. It's this little girl." I

just had to keep her, I don't know, alive. There was confusion. Another

little girl came walking, staggering everywhere with blood on her leg.

She was crying for her mum. I couldn't reach her and I was holding

the little girl up and telling them help is coming. The ambulance is

coming and just be brave. You're being really brave. And my husband

was running backwards and forwards. I went back into see if our daughter

and granddaughter were there. It was the time we were due to meet them. I

went back into check if they were amongst the injured. So I checked

every single person there, to see if it was our daughter, grand daughter.

And thankfully for us, it wasn't. They weren't there. As my wife said,

we thought the blast was in the arena. And we had caught the

outskirts of it. But I went through the security doors where they check

tickets, and that is when I saw there was no debris, and ash, and

things through there. There was only what I believe to be the remains of

the suicide bomber through there. All the destruction was out in the

foyer. I had not seen my daughter or granddaughter amongst the injured.

And I came back and told my wife. Me, I was trying to comfort this

little girl, I don't know if I should say her name. We tried to

keep her away, kept trying to close her eyes. I told her she was brave,

asking her name and who was coming for her, asking for her dad's name,

telling her she was brave. And the other little girl opposite, she was

crying and crying. She was shaking. She was trying to ring her mum and

her phone kept falling out of her hand. She talked to her mum, and was

crying, I kept telling her she was brave, I am not going to leave you,

trying to comfort her the best I could. Everybody laid there,

people... She was able, she managed to give you her mum's phone number

so you could make contact, and you eventually got through to your own

daughter on the phone, didn't you. And me. It was around 20 minutes, I

was praying my daughter was alive, praying for the injured. I didn't

know they were dead, but I hoped it would all be OK. I was trying not to

be too hysterical, trying to keep this girl comforted, and the other

one. You kept coming back and forth, didn't you, and a mum was in shock,

wandering around. I told her to sit down next to me. She flopped down

and started crying and crying. The staff in the arena were fantastic.

There was no Anderlecht or paramedics at that moment, just a

couple of paramedics on duty for the event, and the security staff. They

had bandages. First aid kits and bandages. Making sure the

compression dresses for the young girls, most obviously, for the worst

wounds, and kept on applying pressure. The blood was pouring. I

kept telling her, we needed an ambulance, we needed help, she was

losing too much blood. The other girl opposite, on her leg as well.

Then the police came. Then the armed police. But my daughter ran... I got

one hand, I was holding the girl up with one hand, I grabbed my phone,

and spoke to my daughter, and I was so relieved. I asked if Sasha was

with her, she said yeah. You were trying to get in the arena, but they

stop people coming out, and they came out of another door. She was

alive, thank God, then I tried to concentrate on this little girl. The

other one opposite me, and it seemed like a lifetime before the

paramedics came. But the armed police whispered that we needed to

check that there were no bombs before sending them up. They were

all outside waiting. But what you did, what you both did, was

remarkable. Thank you. It doesn't feel remarkable. People needed help.

The event security, they were remarkable. They were helping as

many people as they could. All we had were little first aid kits. But

they were making sure they were near every single person that was

injured. We were all looking in. I have seen the pictures online of the

homeless guy that was helping people. He was there, he was running

round to lots of people. He was offering help and comfort to

everybody. He was a hero. The event security staff were heroes. There

were a lot of heroes that day, but I don't... We don't feel like heroes.

We did what any parent would do. People needed help, and you step in

and step up, don't you? I am grateful you spoke to us this

morning. Sorry, Kim, go ahead. It seemed like a lifetime before the

paramedics could come in... We put a little girl on the merchandise

table, I knew her bones were broken, her legs and arms... She was in so

much pain. We were able to ring her mum, she told us her number, and we

let her know that her daughter was alive. We managed through that to

get in touch with the dad, and got her reunited with her dad. We kept

telling her that her dad was coming. I said I wouldn't leave her,

constantly reassuring her, the little girl. That is all I could do.

OK, Kim. Thank you. Think you so much for talking to us this morning.

We can clearly hear the distress and shock still in the way you describe

what you did on Monday night, so we are very grateful to you this

morning. Thank you. Phil and Kim Dyk talking about how their daughter and

granddaughter were safe. We know a further attack may be imminent.

last night when she explained why the independent Joint Terrorism

Analysis Centre, J-TAC, had decided to raise the terror

threat level to "Critical", the highest possible.

We can speak now to Baroness Neville-Jones,

the former security minister, Dr David Lowe, a counter terror

and security expert from Liverpool's John Moores University,

and Sir Chris Fox, the former President of the Association

of Chief Police Officers, who orchestrated the police response

to the 7/7 tube bombings back in London in 2005, and Hamed El-Said

who chaired a UN taskforce on terrorism and radicalisation and

now works at Manchester Metropolitan University.

Good morning to you. Come in, as a former security minister, what is

your reaction to the fact that the terror threat level has been raised

to critical? What the government has done is pretty justified. As I read

the situation, I don't have inside knowledge, but as I read it the

problem is that they have a knowledge gap about where and who

the bomber is, whether he is still at large, and whether he is in the

country. I think they feel they cannot take the risk of not being

ready, and putting in place sufficient protection against

further attacks. These situations don't normally last very long, but

clearly, it is a very critical stage in their interest and is. And they

feel they must give proper coverage to any eventuality. Sir Chris Hoy

Ochs, is it proportionate? I think so. It is a vile attack -- Sir Chris

Foxx. They will visit all the premises and houses they have been

involved in, and presumably find material that makes them wonder

whether or not this guy was acting alone. That on its own, until that

question is answered, then we have got to be very, very, very careful.

You lead a task force on radicalisation, what... You had to

learn, you have to try to understand what would radicalise someone to do

this, to target British children and teenagers in this way? How would you

answer that? Well, it is absolutely very painful and absolutely

unacceptable what happened two nights ago. I was pleased to see

last night everybody coming together to reject this the northern and

forced but we -- reject this phenomenal.

Give us an insight into what you have learned. We know, for example,

this is the fourth wave of terrorism we have faced since the 1980s in

Europe. This has been mostly made up of very young individuals coming

from a subculture of hopelessness and no future. They are troubled in

life, and they are troubling for their families as well. What we know

about this man so far, and it is obviously early stages, he was born

in Manchester, raised in this country, he was a student, he was

reportedly a Manchester United supporter. Correct, that's what we

know. What we don't know is he was a bad student, he had a bad

relationship with his family as well. I spoke to a close family

friend yesterday. He literally told me his parents were trying very,

very hard to bring him back on the right path, and they failed to do

that. Eventually, he was doing very bad at university, at his education,

he didn't complete. They tried to take him back to Libya. He had

difficulties adjusting to European lifestyle. Yes, he was born here,

but he comes from a second generation of immigrants. This

particular type of individual as we now know, they have the most

difficulties in adjusting to Western lifestyles. The prime ministers said

the latest intelligence assessments concluded "It is a possibility we

cannot ignore that there is a wider group of individuals linked to this

attacker." How do you respond to that? I have to take it at face

value. Indeed, the evidence seems to show that the explosives, and the

way the bomb was built were fairly professional, not an amateur affair

this time. You therefore can't exclude that there are active

accomplices, and indeed, the person that made the bomb is still at

large. There may be a further link to other organisations, other

networks through those people. We may be chasing something which in

the end turns out to be fairly small, but it is fairly possible

that this can open up a much bigger network as a result of

investigation. That is what the intelligence services don't know at

the moment, which is why they are being so very cautious about the

level of protection they give us. I know you had to leave us, thank you

for your time. David Lowe, from what we have learned about the individual

that carried out the attack on Monday night, and the kind of

explosive device that he used, what do you draw from that? I am echoing

what the Baroness said there. Clearly, there is a level of

sophistication here, and it looks like it is coming out that he may

not have been acting on his own. You look at this type of attack, and

that has those echoes. But you know, the right thing is happening here

with this investigation, it is keeping all options open. And we

won't have gone to critical for no reason at all. It was emphasised in

your report earlier when you mentioned that JTAC have advised

that we go to this level. There must be information that they are looking

at for that individual, and there is a great threat at the moment. Sir

Chris, we can expect to see soldiers now, potentially, at big stadium,

concerts, football matches, we have the FA Cup final, the Champions

League final next week, the Championship play-offs, Sunday and

Monday, and so on, how alarmed should the British public the? --

should the British public be. There is a difference between being

alarmed and being vigilant. We have gone to this level, because

information when investigating something like this doesn't flow out

instantly, it comes out slowly as you may contact with associates, and

you learn more about it. At the moment, there are questions that

aren't able to be answered. Therefore, the extra security is to

make people feel secure. You have to play your part as well, when you

attend these events, be aware, be alert, and if necessary, speak to

uniformed member of the security teams about anything that worries

you. You will know that her majesty's

Inspectorate of Constabulary in said in March policing in England and

Wales is in a perilous state after 20% budget cuts to police norsz

England and Wales since 2010 -- forces in eng England and Wales

since 2010. Do the cuts make police forces more vulnerable, less able to

prevent and thwart attacks like this? Let's be honest, it's almost

impossible to completely rule out an attack like this in a free modern,

free, European world where people move about in the way that they do.

The problem with policing at the moment the world is becoming so

specialised, technology is changing the whole world of crime and

terrorism as is the use of weapons. So the police are now having to have

lots and lots of specialised officers which is very, very

resource consuming. It consumes lots of money and lots of individuals. So

my guess is now, having to respond to this type of crime and terrorism,

that they are getting very stretched. People wouldn't have

realised how many police officers are involved in this event in

Manchester at the moment, but the world goes on and they are trying to

deal with the other things they normally deal with. My guess is life

is a very, very thin line. David Lowe, you will know that it's

reported that the suicide bomber, Salman Abedi, had returned recently

from Libya. It's understood that his parents are from Libya. What is the

significance of that if it's true? Well, if he has been travelling to

Libya, we are well aware since the fall of Gaddafi it has been an

unstable state. We know there are various factions who have been

fighting a civil war there including Islamic State and they've lost some

major territory in the region a few months ago, but I think this also

looks at what potential there is for trying to help individuals like

this. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I'm thinking about the Prevent

strategy and it shows how difficult this problem is, but you know, we

have to try our best to try so individuals don't get as far as the

attacker got on Monday to try and draw them back and I think greater

support is needed for T it has got its problems because it came to do

with violent extremism. It is all forms of extremism including the

far-right. I think the Government has got to start looking at trying

to support those involved in Prevent, to try and help individuals

before they get to the stage that we saw on Monday. Thank you all of you,

thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it. Good morning.

We're broadcasting to you from Manchester. The Manchester Arena,

scene of the UK's worst terror attack since 2005 remains behind a

police cordon as you'd expect this morning as the investigation

continues. Nearby, this square, around the town hall has become a

focus, although not the only focus for people wanting to commemorate

what happened. Here is a look back at some of the events since the

attack on Monday. After our darkest of nights,

Manchester is today waking up This has been the most horrific

incident that we've ever faced here in Greater Manchester,

and one that we all hoped But this attack stands out,

for it's appalling, Deliberately targeting

innocent, defenceless children and young people,

who should have been enjoying one of the most memorable

nights of their lives. But when I think of Manchester,

the place that I know, I think of the spirit of the people

there - and I'm telling you, a more tight-knit group of people

you would be hard-pressed to find. The audience was a very

young audience, and there were a lot of people

there without their parents, people were requesting

that they could get taxis It was at that point I made

the decision that money isn't everything in life,

and we're part of Manchester and we need to do our part to make

sure that these people get home Well, we can talk now to our

assistant political editor, Norman Smith who is at Downing Street where

a Cobra meeting is taking place right now, Norman. At the Cabinet

Office, do fill us in. This is the third Cobra meeting in

just 24 hours to be chaired by the Prime Minister. We are getting more

details this morning as the meeting begins of some of the key lines of

inquiry and I suppose the top line is that the Government is now

working on the basis that Salman Abedi was not working on his own.

The big question mark is whether he was part of some broader terror

network, what sort of help he had, is there a bomb maker out there who

helped him construct what officials are describing as a relatively

sophisticated device? In other words they do not believe that Abedi was

able to make this bomb on his own. They think there are other people

out there who may have helped him construct it. We know now that

something like 4,000 troops will be made avable to buttress the police.

Now they will be at key installations. I'm told we shouldn't

expect to see hem in Whitehall and Westminster, more likely they will

be at key events and key installations, nuclear power

stations, energy plants, transport links, those sort of things. The

thinking being to release the police who normally guard those sort of

situations so they can focus on the counter-terrorism operation. We also

learn of what sounds like quite a tense conversation between the Home

Secretary Amber Rudd and her US counterparts after crucial

information about the investigation was leaked to the media in the

United States. Amber Rudd got on the blower to US officials and gave them

a piece of her mind. Officials say they are in no doubt about our views

on that. She is publicly described it as irritating. The concern that

it might compromise or have compromised aspects of the

investigation here if it alerted associates of Abedi that the

security forces here knew who they were looking for. We also learn that

the election, the restart of the election I'm told, may well be put

off for "Several days." That is because the alert level has gone

from severe to critical. We now will have troops deployed and while there

is an on going terrorist investigation trying to wrap up a

potential terror network I think the view is the prospects of the

election starting soon are receding so that goes back, I would imagine,

at least to the weekend. So there is a number of new lines emerging from

this meeting taking place behind me. And lastly, we learned that the

Government is going to bolster the so-called Prevent strategy. This is

the antiradicalisation strategy giving more resources to those

Muslim groups, focussed against radicalism, support from local

authorities, taking down from websites inflammatory material and

that sort of thing but it has been hugely controversial Prevent because

there is a view, far from helping the situation, it made it worse by

alienating some sections of the Muslim community. Amber Rudd this

morning insistent more resources will be put in, but just listen to

what Ms Rudd was saying this morning. Critical is the new level

of threat. It means that we think an attack is imminent. We have been at

severe for the past few years which means an attack is highly likely.

It's a specific response to the events that we have seen in

Manchester. We will stay at that level until we are confident that

the operation has been concluded and then the threat level can reasonably

come douvenlt one of the things the public will see potentially,

depending on where they live, is that through Operation Temperer this

now allows the police to access support from the military. So they

may see certain amounts of military presence which will be in areas to

keep them safe. The Home Secretary said she did not

believe there was a need for additional laws, additional powers

of scrutiny for the Security Services, but as I say the Pre vent

strategy will be bolstered and that is controversial, not least, because

the Labour Party has committed in its manifesto to fundamental review

of Pre vent strategy and Jeremy Corbyn has been highly, highly

critical of it. Thank you very much, Norman Smith

for the moment. Albetter square in Central

Manchester where we are this morning in the heart of the city. This is a

square that frankly at the moment is filled with media from all over the

world, although there are small collections of flowers where

residents, workers, commuters, people who attended the vigil here

last night have left them here, have left messages, messages including

# Tag more in common. Messages including stay strong. I saw one

cardboard, hand-made cardboard poster that said, "Isis, you don't

scare us, we're manks." One very moving message, one card said, "To

all the angels heaven has gained. May you rest up there while we fight

through this pain." In St Ann's Square, people were lighting candles

and laying flowers there last night. A Simple Minds concert went ahead

here in Manchester last night, with frontman Jim Kerr

saying that cancelling Every night at this time, we welcome

people and we say thanks for coming But tonight, obviously,

is different. Events last night made

it so - tragically so. This morning, when we woke,

there was a decision to be made. Do we play?

Or do we cancel, leave town? And I'm sure if we had done that,

everyone would have understood. There would have been

a disappointment, but we would have We would have felt cowardly,

just leaving town. Especially Manchester,

a place that has been great to Simple Minds,

since the earliest days. Thanks very much for coming

to see us, but prior to starting, of course, of course,

we just want to take one minute. Meditate, we'll play a bit of music

and think of the victims of last Simple Minds, Jim Kerr at the

Bridgwater Hall last night. I want to ask you how you think

Manchester has responded to this attack? Extremely well. The

emergency services, I don't think we could have asked for better. And the

council stepped in very quickly. Obviously, Government stepped in

very quickly. I don't think anything could have been done any better.

What would you say? I would say the same. I have a taxi

company, we offered free taxis to everybody coming back to South

Manchester. We basically got around 157 people free taxis home. I left

the office at 5:30 myself, we basically had people saying thank

you very much. Everybody was amazed by everybody playing a part in it.

What do you say? I echo the same, brilliantly, superbly, Mancunian

style. A lot of people have said the spirit of Manchester, I have heard

it so many times, I know what that means. Explain to our audience what

that means. Our history serves as well. We are coming up to the

centenary, the people that have come to join us, my father came from

Spain, there are Asian communities, Afro-Caribbean communities, it is

the melting point of what we are, and our history going back,

historically we have lived through worst times. The normality isn't

there, it doesn't by any means feel normal. But social media has been

really pertinent. What the lads did with the taxi services, the

emergency services, it doesn't surprise me. Manchester has really

good services, just about, to see the NHS gets 60 anglers is here was

amazing. Social media has been amazing, contacting people I don't

know, people looking for parents, addressing people they don't know,

if they can come and help, get something they need, that is

Mancunian. Not having the gap between saying hello and not saying

hello, not because someone had a sign, speaking to medical students

away from home, Spanish dude is that said it was worse in Belgium away

they responded. You had a friend caught up in Monday night's attack,

how is she? How wide and impact does it have on her friends and family?

It is shocking, because you never think when you see it in the media,

when it happens, you don't truly think it will happen to you or

friends you know. She is OK, she had a hole in her leg. But she is out of

hospital. It is really, really sad and heartbreaking to see and witness

that someone close to you has been through that, and there is nothing

you can do about it. You have two show your love and support and be

there for them. You work for a charity here in Manchester called

Human Appeal, what have you been able to do in terms of helping?

First and foremost, I want to extend my condolences and sympathy is of

the families bereaved. It is important to understand that Human

Appeal, our players are with the family and that is important. In

terms of the question, since yesterday, the phone has been

ringing, we have galvanised people, there is a fantastic atmosphere,

different religions, different ethnicities. We have also started to

work raising money, raising ?5,000 for families, we are looking to

raise money through BT donate. There is a lot of support and galvanising

of people. I was at an event yesterday, at the British Muslim

Heritage Centre, 200 people are proximally, and two boys that helped

the medical services on the day and the day after, giving food, they

started to break down and cry. 23-year-old Muslim Pakistani lads,

born and brought up here, and they couldn't stop crying. It hits them

so hard. From all backgrounds, to echo what you are saying, what you

are saying, in your own community last night, to see the diversity

again, and the little ones come to see them holding their arms out, and

visibly distraught, there was advice for young people. At the same time,

it is a real experience. And to be able to be with them, and for them

to express that, and understand it is OK to express themselves. You

work at the two Manchester universities. What is the feeling

among young people and students there? I echo my brother in offering

condolences to the bereaved families. Unfortunately, yesterday,

we heard about an attack, a young Muslim student was spat at. With

children, it is fear. Young Muslims are fearful. What are they fearful

of? They are fearful of reprisal. Yesterday, it was beautiful. The

vigil, I was here for it. Mancunian got together, but today, the mood is

changing slightly. I have listened to the radio and there is anger.

That is normal, it is normal to be angry. Who is the anger towards? My

fear it is it is towards the Muslim community. Yesterday, I was

surprised. I was happy what Mancunians did. There were arguments

in the crowd later on, but everybody came together, it disbursed, but I

am fearful of what happens next. This was at 7:30, 8pm. There were

arguments about what was happening. Fingers were pointed. That is my

fear, what happens next? Where do we go from now? That is the next step.

Young people are scared. They are scared. Those of you who were here

as well last night for the vigil, a minute's silence, rightly so. The

most enormous and heartfelt applause when the Chief Constable said, "My

staff will be so comforted by the support that you've shown." It was

extraordinary. People should phone up and show support to GMP for their

thanks. E-mail them, express gratitude to say, what an amazing

response you did. One thing our old Chief const set up many years ago

was that we stand together, here at Manchester Town Hall. It was about a

very diverse community, we learned about each other's religions and

thoughts, and that was set up many years ago and it is still going

strong now. We forget the background, we are a diverse

community in Manchester. Everybody strives to get on with each other.

When an atrocity like this happens, we all stand back in shock. Fingers

being pointed, I have a friend that is a travel wrap in Egypt, he is

Muslim. The abuse he received from English customers yesterday was

absolutely atrocious. To be spat at and sworn at, it's not called for.

We need to stand together and be positive together to get the right

outcome from this. I will pause there, but thank you to you. I

really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you.

A birthday present, their first ever concert,

a treat with friends, the terror attack here in Manchester

which left 22 dead is all the more shocking because it was a deliberate

attack against children and young people.

CBBC'S Newsround programme has been widely praised for their coverage

of the attack and how to talk to children about it.

This is a video they produced to help.

There has been a serious attack in Manchester.

It happened at a concert by singer Ariana Grande.

Some people have lost their lives and others have been injured.

Many more people came to help, offering those who were there lifts

home and places to stay, or just some comfort.

When things like this happen, it's totally normal

To think things like, "Why did this happen?"

"Could this happen to my family and my friends?"

What's important to remember is that although events

like this are very sad, they are also rare.

Worrying stories are often in the news because they don't

So what should you do if you're feeling sad or anxious?

Talk about it - you can speak to your parents,

They can reassure you and help you feel better.

And remember, when things like this happen, most

Professor Rachel Calam is a child trauma psychologist.

When it comes to helping them deal with the trauma of this.

Jan Artingstall is one of the counsellors victims

and families are being referred to, her daughter was caught in the IRA

bombing in Manchester when she was 16-years-old.

Darren Randle, he's a headteacher

from Hollingworth Academy in Rochdale, he's been coordinating

counselling for pupils and sessions for teachers and pupils to talk

How have you dealt with this at school? We looked at a plan to see

how we could look after people, how the staff who are also upset with

with what has happened, identifying children at risk, who have been at

the concert. We don't have a register of what children do on the

Monday night, but we had an assembly to talk about the facts and how

people go through that process. Rachel, what is your advice? Really

to be very calm with children, to be reassuring. We know it is an event

that has created enormous fear, but the actual risk is very low. Parents

should be watching and waiting, really. Looking out for changes in

their children's behaviour, and really trying to deal with those in

a very calm way, listening to what they have to say. What's your advice

and what is your own experience? I echo what Rachel said, being very

calm, let children talk. They might want to ask the same questions over

and over again. And that's OK. Be mindful of the fact that they need a

regular routine, they need things to stay the same. It is about giving

them space, really. Obviously, they will be very confused and in a state

of disbelief. The main question is, my own 10-year old said to me, "An

eight-year-old girl has been killed, why?" What is the answer to that

question? It is a difficult one. We talked about that before we came on

air and we don't know the answer. Is it all right to say we don't know?

Absolutely. An autistic child asked me that question and I said there

wasn't an answer. Coming back to what you said, it is very, very

rare. We emphasised the response to people in terms of what happened, in

terms of Manchester pulling together, and communities coming

together as opposed to being broken apart. That is one thing we focused

on in the day. Your own daughter was caught up in the bombing here 21

years ago, astonishingly, no one was killed on that day. The

infrastructure of the centre of Manchester was devastated, what age

was she then? How did you and she coped with that? She was 15 at the

time and had come into Manchester on a Saturday morning with her friend

to do some shopping, and obviously, we heard on the news that the bomb

had gone off, and it was about half an hour before we knew she was OK.

But one thing I noticed with her shortly after was that she had a

morbid fascination with the news. She wanted to watch all the media

coverage, and all the paper coverage. And I very quickly

thought, she needs to talk to someone, independently. Which I

arranged at the time. At the moment, I work for an organisation in

Manchester called Talk, Listen, Change. They have offered free

counselling for any victim, any person involved in the atrocity on

Monday. Some people, and it is fair enough, some people ask a double --

are sceptical. It is important to talk to people you are comfortable

with. It doesn't have to be a counsellor. It can be a relative, a

teacher, a person the child gets on with, or trusts and feels what she

gets on with. Some people will experience, the feelings made be

overwhelming. Understanding the mind is processing what has happened, and

over the course of weeks, they are likely to settle down. But it is if

it persists. If people experience it months from now, they should check

in, look to get extra help, look for counselling, or talking to a GP

about who might be able to help. Very briefly, what's the situation

with exams? Anybody involved that may have exams coming up? The exam

boards have said that exams should continue as normal, but for schools

to put in special consideration, children should not be

disadvantaged. And that's the right approach, isn't it? I believe so.

Thank you very much. We are grateful for your time. Thank you. The advice

is to explain that this is a very rare event, but it does happen and

there are bad people, but it is rare.

This morning, Manchester defiant in the face of terror.

The Prime Minister is currently chairing the Government's emergency

Cobra meeting in London as the official terrorism threat in the UK

is raised to critical. This means that their assessment

is not only that an attack remains highly likely but that a further

attack may be imminent. It has emerged that the attacker

Salman Abedi was known to the security services and it's

unlikely he was acting alone. The mother of a 15-year-old

girl who'd been missing since the explosion has

revealed that she was Olivia Campbell's family had

made desperate appeals We've been hearing more tales

of heroism and bravery. One couple tell us how they helped

a teenage girl while their own I just held her and I was going,

"My babies, my babies", and you just said, "I'm

going to hold her". We just did what any

parent would do. Good morning. It's just after 10am.

We're live from Manchester. It's a grey, cool, morning. We're

broadcasting to you from the heart of the city, from Albert Square

which is the main square in front of the town hall. This is where the

vigil was held last night, attended by thousands and thousands of

people. This morning in the square, it's mostly journalists, reporters

and media from all over the world, but as you can see collections of

flowers where people have left messages and they have lit candles

as a mark of respect because people want to do something. I can tell you

that another victim has been named by her family, Kelly Brewster from

Sheffield has been confirmed as one of the dead.

Her partner has written, "Kelly Brewster has passed away in the

terror attack. We had so many things planned together. My daughter will

be absolutely devastated like we all are." We have another victim named,

Kelly Brewster from Sheffield. Sheffield.

Well, let's bring you right up-to-date with the very latest

The suspected bomber Salman Abedi was a 22-year-old university

drop-out who was known to security services.

He was born here to Libyan parents and it's thought he may may have

travelled to Libya earlier this month, returning

The priority now is to establish if he acted alone.

The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, has said it was a sophisticated attack

As has been pointed out this, this was a horrific violent event. It was

more sophisticated than some of the horrific events that we have seen in

the past or in other parts of Europe. So people are reasonably

wondering whether he did this on his own? I'm making sure that the police

and intelligence services during that investigation have the support

they need to find out who might be, who might have been working with him

because ultimately our focus is always going to be on making sure

that we keep people safe and making sure they keep them safe is the best

way to do that is to ensure that this operation ends.

The official terrorism threat level in the UK has been raised

to critical which means an attack is expected imminently.

The armed forces will now help police, with troops being posted

at some sites across Britain including Buckingham Palace,

Downing Street, some embassies and the Houses of Parliament.

Soldiers may also be seen at other events

over the coming weeks, such as concerts, working under

Let's talk to Frank Gardner. What do we know about the attacker and the

attack? Well, we probably know less than what MI5 and the police know

about him. But he was born in Manchester in 1994, that he had

spent sometime in Libya. The exact dates are not certain, but it's

thought that he came back in the last few days from Libya and this is

a worrying thing because the device that he detonated was relatively

sophisticated. As well as using a viable explosive that worked

obviously, it contained nuts and bolts, this is a complete sea change

from the kind of low tech rather amateurish attacks that we saw

across Continental Europe last summer. This took planning and it

would have taken reconnaissance, they selected their target

carefully, it maybe no coincidence that it was an American singer so

that's why the Security Service and the police are thinking that there

must be other people involved here possibly an expert bomb maker and

that is their nightmare scenario, that it is somebody who is at loose

in the UK, who is simply not on their radar. That's only one theory

that they're going down. So in terms of this man Abedi, he is from a

Libyan background. His pear was an opponent of Colonel Gaddafi and they

left Libya and he has links, the father, with something called the

LIFG which was an Al-Qaeda linked group that was opposed to Colonel

Gaddafi in the 1990s. He's thought to have returned to Libya. Libya, of

course, is in chaos ever since the overthrow of Gaddafi's regime, the

country turned into a failed state and there are pockets of Isis

controlled territory and Al-Qaeda controlled territory and of course,

it was from Libya that a person emerged with a Kalashnikov and

murdered 30 tourists at Sousse two years ago.

The attack in Manchester is the 13th deadly terrorist incident in Europe

since January 2015. You can see here more people arriving to lay flowers

as a mark of respect. The attack in Manchester is the most deadly in the

UK since the 7th July ballings in London in 2005.

Let's talk to Graham Foulkes whose son David died in the 7th July

Graham now works to steer young people away from extremism.

Tony Scott survived the attack on the Bataclan Theatre in Paris

by escaping to an apartment above the venue.

Thomas Tran Dinh who we spoke to on the programme just

He was a survivor and he was at that gig.

Some of you may remember him for his amazing positivity

Also with us in Manchester, poet Tony Walsh, whose words

at the vigil yesterday sparked a huge reaction from the crowd

Graham, I'm going to begin with you if I may. You, more than most, know

what family and friends have to deal with in the aftermath of a terror

attack. What are your thoughts today? It's hard to describe really

because I remember it so vividly. You just go into complete meltdown.

You spend hours wondering, trying to make sense of something that doesn't

make sense and you spend hours and hours silently screaming. It's not

possible to find words to describe really what's going on in those

people's minds at the moment. We should all be thinking about them.

Let me bring in Tony and also Thomas. Tony, when you first heard

news of what had happened here in Manchester, what went through your

mind? I was just devastated to hear that something like this had

happened again and you know particularly that it was targeted at

young people. I have a 13-year-old girl and she could have been there,

friends could have been there and it's just absolutely tragic and I

know our families went through while we were in Paris and you know I know

what we went through and for me, you know, those people just need all the

support they can get and it's essential and it's one of those

things that won't necessarily come looking for you, you have to go

looking for it. We got very little proactive support when we came back

from Paris. So my advice is if you know somebody that's caught up in

it, make sure that you know you give them the information and don't let

them have to wait and discover it for themselves because you know,

ultimately that's what we had to do, you know. People need that and the

other thing that reflects with me is just the people in Manchester, the

stories I've heard on the news, the people have reached out and have

been absolutely amazing. It's the spirit of people as well. We

witnessed very similar in Paris, you know, the human resolve in such

situations is, you know, absolutely amazing and you know the poem that

was read last night just captures that for me. And you have said Tony

that your experience in Paris in November 2015, you saw the worst of

humanity and you saw the best of humanity? Oh, without a doubt.

Without a doubt. We have to focus on that at times like this because this

is a horrific attack, but those people are a minority and we have to

remember that. Let me bring in Thomas. Thomas, hello to you. Hi.

Thank you very much for talking to us again. You, I mean, you have

drawn a love heart on the whiteboard alongside you. Tell us why. It's for

you, you know, it's for all the poor young hearts that were lost, you

know. It's the first time I got myself on

the news in a year-and-a-half and it's the first time that I felt I

needed to talk with you if I had the chance because we have all been

through rough times to be honest and I know what's ahead of those people,

those young people, and it's hard and as Tony said, sometimes you

don't have good advice. So maybe if I could only help by giving the tips

I have been through, you know, and to help them in the future. So the

heart, I know I said something like love has to prevail, we have to love

each other and I still believe it. No one teaches us how actually. It's

not easy, you know. You have hate is so easy and you can have such a big

impact by doing hateful acts and when you do loveful acts, it is

always more, you know. In our society, we don't cherish the small

things, we cherish the big impacts. Everyone wants to be, I don't know,

but there is that strive to do something big, you know, but we have

to cherish say hi to your neighbours. It seems nothing, it

changes the world. Imagine if all your neighbours do that all the time

on the bus. So it's really hard and we have to build that resilience to

hate, you know and so in many countries in the political elections

we have this struggle between let's say tolerance against intolerance,

but the thing I observe from my tiny spot is sometimes you fight

intolerance by being intolerant yourself and it doesn't work. You

cannot go and say to someone, "You're not a good person." They

won't change. So try to say, "Hello. I hear your position. Let's discuss.

I'd like to understand." But it's hard. But if everyone tries to do

those lilacses every day we'll get somewhere better. I really believe

that, you know. But it's really hard. Let me bring Graham back in.

Sorry to interrupt. I wanted to bring Graham back in who lost his

son, David in the 7/7 bombings. Can you explain, Graham, how it is

possible when you lose a son, how you go on?

I don't know the answer to that. There is no option, you are just

supported so well by friends and family. But you take each day as it

comes, initially. And then you just learn to cope, but it never changes,

it never goes away. When I get up and I leave my bedroom, the first

thing I see is his bedroom door. The last thing at night, I see his

bedroom door. Every day, I try to make sense of what is a senseless

thing. These attacks, all of them now have brought about no change

whatsoever. You wrestle with that conundrum all the time, why are they

doing it when it achieves nothing? Why? It is a difficult thing to do.

What I would say gives, trust in your friends, trust in your

relatives, and take each day, day by day of that is the only option you

have. The victims who have been identified so far, and

eight-year-old girl, Saffie Roussos, Georgina Callander, a 28-year-old,

John Atkinson, John was from Bury. Georgina was from Chorley, and

Saffie Roussos was from near Preston. That goes through the

generations. What it illustrates is, the same as in London, these people

really do not care. They are brutal, they have no humanity at all. And

yet, we are not brutal buying nature, we are humanitarian by

nature. That is the difficult thing we can't cope with. That is in your

head all the time, how can somebody be so cold, brutal, so thoughtless,

so lacking in compassion? All I want to do is live my life with my

children and my family, and my friends. We want to live in a nice,

peaceful, friendly world where we get on with each other. When they

clash, that tension is really very difficult to cope with. I

understand, because I have been there, I suppose, these people will

scream in silent pain at the moment. I would say to any friends and

family helping them, find out who their doctor is, get their GP to go

to them, because you don't sit there thinking, I am in meltdown, I need

help. Help as to come to you. If you are friends and family of one of

these people, get their GP, find their uncle or brother, bring them

round and support them. Let me ask Thomas and Tony before I bring in

Tony Walsh, the poet read his words last night at the vigil, as two

people that have survived terrorist attacks and gone through that trauma

of having to flee to escape gunmen at a gig where you go to have a

brilliant time, when you are on a high, full of joy, how do you deal

with what you have experienced and are just so that you can continue to

live your life? I remember the first days, I was in shock and I didn't

know what would be the next minute or hour. I would recommend anyone to

seek professional help. And as a technique, there is an eye movement,

I don't render, we processing something, it works really well for

the really immediate PTSD. When you already go there, and after that, it

is a long journey. I am still in it, I don't know. It is strange. You

wrote music to try to help yourself. Yeah. With a friend that was with me

that infamous night, we wrote and recorded an album describing our

journey, from dark moment into the light. We wrote it for this case, so

it's sad that we still need to talk about this kind of case. It helps to

write it down and put it behind you, if you can put it behind you. But

moving on, trying to move on is all you have to do. Let me ask Tony,

what would you say? Thomas described it as moving on, it is not always

possible. Is there a way of adjusting, though? For Justine Henin

and icon it was music, going to concerts and gigs. -- just

for us it was something that we didn't want to not do because of

what had happened. We had tickets for a number of gigs following the

article on attack. -- the Bataclan Theatre attack. The first was at

Manchester Arena, we went to see Faithless. For a long time, going

back to gigs, we were extremely on edge. The first thing we would do is

look for exits. We pushed ourselves through a barrier with it. We

weren't going to let the stop us doing what we do. We think about it

all the time, there is no getting away from that. Every gig we go to,

it is still there at the back of your mind. It's a part of our being.

We won't let anybody take that away from us. We are going to an event

this weekend, I am taking my daughter with us as well. We are

still going to do that. Thank you, Tony. Thank you for coming back on

the programme. Thomas, thank you very much, with your message of love

and hope, and resilience. Thomas and Tony were at the Bataclan Theatre in

Paris in November, 2015, when gunmen got into the theatre and started to

shoot. That was part of a co-ordinated series of terrorist

attacks on the French capital, 139 people died, almost 90 were killed

in that theatre at the gig. Graham is still with me. His 22-year-old

son David was killed in the 7/7 bombings. Tony Walsh is also here.

Good morning to you. I was here in the Square last night with thousands

of other people as you read your words. Your poem about Manchester.

Tell us about you and when you wrote that. My name is Tony was, I am a

poet based in Manchester, I am full-time with my work here. I wrote

the poem a fuel years ago. It was commissioned by a charity called

Forever Manchester, they give out money to grassroots organisations.

Lines like, some are born here, drawn here, gaining residents, lines

like there are hard times, gaining new residents. I grew strength from

the gathering here last night. Whatever my challenge was last

night, it has nothing to the challenge of many people, challenges

that people face it. Are you happy to read it again for our audience? I

said goodbye to Thomas and Tony, they are still listening to us. They

haven't necessarily heard your words. Is that all right? Would you

the full piece? If you don't mind. Put your earpiece in and they can

talk to you. This is the place in

the North West of England It's ace, it's the best

and the songs that we sing From the stands, from our bands set

the whole planet shaking There's nowt we can't make

and We make goals that make souls leap

from seats in the stands And we make things from steel

and we make things from cotton And we make people laugh,

take the mick summat rotten And we make you at home

and we make you feel welcome And we make summat happen,

we can't seem to help it And if you're looking for history

then yes, we've a wealth But the Manchester way

is to make it yourself And make us a record,

a new number one And make us a brew

while you're up, love. And make us feel proud that

you're winning the league And make us sing louder

and make us believe it that this is the place that has

helped shape the world And that this the place

where a Manchester girl Name of Emmeline Pankhurst

from the streets of Moss Side Led a Suffragette City

with sisterhood pride And this is the place

with appliance of science We're on it, atomic,

we strut with defiance In the face of a challenge

we always stand tall Mancunians in union delivered it

all Such as housing and libraries,

and health, education And unions and co-ops, the first

railway station But we hope you forgive us -

we invented computers! And this is the place

Henry Royce strolled with Rolls And we've rocked and we've rolled

with our own Northern Soul And so this is the place to do

business, then dance Where go-getters and goal setters

know they've a chance And this is the place

where we first played as kids And me Mam lived and died here,

she loved it she did And this is the place

where our folks came to work Where they struggled in puddles,

they hurt in the dirt And they coughed on the cobbles

to the deafening sound Of the steaming machines

and the screaming of slaves They were scheming for greatness,

they dreamed to their graves And they left us a spirit,

they left us a vibe That Mancunian Way to

survive and to thrive And to work and to build,

to connect and create and Greater Manchester's

greatness is keeping it great And so this is the place now

we've kids of our own Some are born here, some drawn here,

but we all call it home And they've covered the cobbles,

but they'll never defeat All the dreamers and schemers

who still teem through these streets Because this is a place that has

been through some hard times Oppressions, recessions,

depressions and dark times But we keep fighting back

with Greater Manchester spirit Northern grit, northern wit

in Greater Manchester's lyrics And there's hard times again

in these streets of our city But we won't take defeat

and we don't want your pity Because this a place

where we stand strong together With a smile on our face,

Mancunians Forever Because this is the place

in our hearts, in our homes Because this is the place

that's a part of our bones Because Manchester gives us such

strength from the fact Wow. APPLAUSE

Graham, it is moving... It sums up Manchester, beautifully. There is

independence here, a maverick streak here, but ultimately, there is a

spirit of solidarity here. The mood in the Square last night before I

spoke. The mood I was reading was that we were a tolerant, diverse

place and we will not be dragged down into hatred and bigotry, and

intolerance. The end of the poem, choose love was said spontaneously,

it has struck a cause. Choosing love rejects hatred. I hope you can hear

Thomas and Tony. As you were listening to Tony Walsh re-signed

that from of Manchester from the heart of the City, which is grieving

and in shock, how do you respond? It is absolutely spot on. Love not

hate. It always has to be love not hate. Hate will divide us, love will

embrace us. Spot on. As a massive music fan myself, I am moved by the

Bataclan Theatre incident. We go to concerts to celebrate the best of

who we are and what we are. To see and share magnificent music and art,

amazing sporting achievements in an arena. We stand there with family

and friends, and at a community, we bond with strangers, we put children

on our shoulders, and that is what we are about. For that to be

desecrated last night, the day before yesterday, it is

heartbreaking. Thomas, what do you want to say to Tony? It is really

uplifting. It is what we need. We all share this planet, too. Let's

unite, we are all brothers and sisters. I am with you. Everyone

should be with you. It's been very moving to me to start to appreciate

how this poem has resonated with people, not just in Manchester, but

around the world. I am still trying to process the news here, and focus

on those who have lost loved ones. That is what it is about. If the

poem has helped in a tiny way, that is pleasing. Thank you very much.

Thanks for talking to us this morning.

This is BBC News. Victoria Derbyshire with you.

In the past few minutes the first picture of suspected bomber

This is what we know so far about him.

A 22-year-old university drop-out, he was born

It's thought he'd recently travelled to Libya, only returning back

The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, said this morning that he was known

by security services "up to a point" and the priority now is to establish

She said it was a sophisticated attack which could mean

Police have been carrying out a series of raids in areas

of Manchester where he's known to have lived.

Being reported by Reuters that the Palace of Westminster, Britain's

Parliament, will close to the public with immediate effect due to the

increased security threat after the attack here in Manchester. Prime

Minister, Theresa May, saying that Britain faces a critical security

threat meaning that another attack could be imminent according to

Reuters. That is leading to the Palace of Westminster, the House of

Commons and the House of Lords effectively being closed to the

public with immediate effect. As a consequence, all tours, events and

banqueting will be cancelled and this arrangement will remain in

place until the advice changes. This on the Parliament's website. As you

know, Parliament is not currently sitting because of the general

election taking place on 8th June, but general election campaigning is

still suspended and it's not clear when it will resume. And, you may

already have heard Ariana Grande's concerts at the O2 arena in London

have not been postponed or cancelled, but the haven't usay they

are in contact with promoters about a final decision. So at the moment,

Ariana Grande's concerts at the O2 on Thursday and Friday haven't been

postponed or cancelled, but the haven't usay they are in contact

with promoters about a final decision. Good morning, it is

10.32am. My name is Victoria Derbyshire. We're broadcasting live

from the centre of Manchester this morning. We are in the heart of a

city, probably about a mile or so, a mile-and-a-half from where the

attack took place on Monday night. 22 people were killed. 59 people

were injured. Here in this square, this town hall square, this

traditional cobbled town hall square in front of the beautiful old

building, is where a vigil was held last night and thousands came,

thousands came and left flowers. You can see some of the flowers behind

me. There are not loads, but there are different points around the city

where flowers are being left and messages are being left. At least

three points in Albert Square where we are now and also St Ann's Square,

there was many people there and again quieter there, lighting

candles and saying prayers and many people in tears, pupils in school

uniform, they had come from school with their parents to pay their

respects. Three men have arrested in south marriage in connection with

the attack on Monday night. Greater Manchester Police in the last minute

say that three men have been arrested in south Manchester in

connection with the bomb attack on Monday night.

Greater Manchester Police say three men have been arrested in south

Manchester in connection with the bomb attack here on Monday night.

Obviously the investigation continuing and will continue for

many hours, days and weeks ahead. They are trying to find out more,

trying to find out more about the individual who carried out the

attack, 22-year-old Salman Abedi. It is reported that he had recently

returned from Libya the his parents are Libyan, refugees from Libya. He

was born in Manchester. Born and brought up here. Let me introduce

you now to the leader of the Manchester City Council, Sir Richard

Leese. Good morning to you and Beverley Hughes, a former MP, and do

tell me your title now. I have it written down. I'm deputy mayor with

a lead on police and crime. Right, OK. Thank you very much for joining

us here today. Sir Richard Leese as leader of the City Council how do

you think Manchester has responded to this attack? I think they

responded magnificentically and clearly there is a lot of grief and

there is a lot of pain, but even on Monday night and the early hours of

Tuesday morning, Manchester, businesses and individuals came out

to help victims. Yesterday, we saw a vigil of people of all ages, all

colours, all backgrounds, coming together to share, I think, share

hope as much as anything else and what we will see over the coming

days is Manchester, to the extent you can in the face of a tragedy of

this sort, getting back to normal and demonstrating to terrorism

they're not going to win. They're certainly not going to win in this

city, they will not change the way we live our lives and they will not

stop us getting on with our every day lives.

In terms of the response of the police here and emergency services,

personnel, I'm sure you were here last night when there was huge

applause for what emergency services personnel had done, and what the

police had done, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, Ian

Hopkins said, "I thank you from the bottom of my heart." How do you

believe the police responded? Well, I certainly think so far, I would

agree with that. I think the speed of the response, there was an early

responder on the scene within six minutes who was in the vicinity and

all the emergency services, then came on the scene very, very

quickly. But beyond that, the integration of the police here in

Greater Manchester, with the national and regional

counter-terrorism expertise, the backing in of the Health Service,

the local authority, I spoke to the person on Gold Command last night...

That's the person in charge of the operation. She said it has been

remarkable the multi-agency co-ordination and integration and...

That will continue. You are prepared for an event like this, but perhaps

not the scale of this. Is that fair? I think that's probably true to say.

But, you know, the police and the emergency services are prepared.

They practise regularly. And you hope that when if the real thing

happens all of that routine internalalised response kicks in and

the evidence is on this occasion, it clearly did. Sir Richard Leese, this

is a city that's grieving, that is in shock. There was clearly a lot of

defiance last night and a lot of people saying, "We will come

together. We will show solidarity." ." Other people have suggested that

lighting a candle, gathering in a square is not going to stop suicide

bombers. What do you say to that? Well, it's not. Of course, it's not.

Manchester is not officially one of the world's most resilient cities

for nothing. It is because the sorts of things that Beverley have been

talking about have been practised and have been rehearsed that people

know what they're doing, but just like last night we had thousands of

people in the square this morning, I was talking to hundreds of

businesses who clearly want to know what's going on and so on and

delivering the message for them that they need to play their part of

getting business operating normally and it is that that really defeats

terrorism. They want to kill. Their aim was to kill, but they also want

to disrupt the way we live our lives because their aim is to destroy the

way we live our lives. Actually by saying, no, we're not going to let

you do that, we're not going to let you disrupt the way we live our

lives, it is part of the way we beat terrorism. Yes, we need to look at

security and we need to look at policing and we need to be alert, we

need to do all of those things, but at the same time, we have to get on

with living our lives the way we want to in this country, living in

freedom. Thank you very much both of you.

Richard Leese, leader of Manchester City Council and Beverley Hughes,

deputy mayor, thank you very much for your time. To repeat the

breaking news from Greater Manchester Police, three men have

been arrested in south Manchester in connection with Monday's bomb

attack. I can also tell you that the Changing of the Guard at Buckingham

Palace has been cancelled today. That ceremony has been cancelled so

that police officers can be redeployed. That from the Ministry

of Defence. The Changing of the Guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace

has been cancelled today. A Cobra meeting at Whitehall has just broken

up and Norman Smith is there. What can you tell us, Norman? Well, Vic

we're going to get details now of the deployment of the troops who are

going to be made available to replace police officers so police

can get on with the counter-terrorism operation. We're

told there will be 400 to 800 troops made available initially building up

possibly to nearly 4,000. You may not see them on the streets. They

are more likely to be at key facilities, such as power plants,

key transport terminals, that sort of thing to release police. The

other thing, I think, worth saying, the signs are the ceasefire over the

general election is beginning to fray. Ukip announcing they will

resume campaigning tomorrow with the launch of their manifesto. Now,

this, when just talking to figures in Government, they are suggesting

that it should be delayed for several days. Ukip deciding they're

going to go for it anyway. I don't think any of the other main parties

will follow them, whatever their impatience might be, so Ukip saying

that you cannot put democracy on hold. That would be a victory for

the terrorists and therefore, they are going to go ahead with their

launch. A pretty controversial move I would suggest and one which I

think they will probably be taking on their own. Last thing worth

saying, interesting really, there appears to have been quite a severe

spat between the Home Secretary and her American counterpart over the

fact that key he will of the investigation to Manchester were

leaked to the US media. Amber Rudd was on the blower to the US

authorities demanding that there was no repeat of that and her officials

insist they have got the message, but quite unusual really to have a

Home Secretary picking up the phone and giving the US authorities a

piece of her mind. Thank you very much, Norman, Norman

Smith live from Whitehall. Venues across the UK say they are

stepping up their security and people should allow more time when

they go big events. Some people caught up in Monday as attack have

criticised security at the Manchester Arena saying they were

waved through the door without proper bag searches. It isn't the

first time concern has arisen about security at venues.

Here's our entertainment reporter Chi Chi Izundu.

Your instinct was - "My children, my children -

We saw families and staff crying and shaking.

With being told to expect a terrorist attack, and a crowded

venue like a concert was a likely target.

Monday's bomb was the second major fatal incident attributed

to terrorists at a music venue in less than 18 months.

The first was carried out very differently.

I was on the phone to my friend and he could hear

Terrorists were shouting to stay down, don't move.

90 people were killed in the Bataclan Theatre in Paris.

They were there watching the American rock group

The Eagles of Death Metal, when three gunmen stormed into

I've been investigating to see what's changed since that

I think that there are great differences between venues,

and I think some take a lot of trouble to try and put

into place security, and others perhaps don't take much

I do think there are a small number of venues that have potentially

slipped between the cracks, under the illusion they simply

Almost 28 million tickets were sold for live music in the UK last year,

for the thousands of music venues and festivals around the country.

Under health and safety rules, music venues have to have emergency

plans in place in the event of a fire.

But at the moment, it is not the same for a terror threat.

Since 2004, free counterterror advice from the police has been

available to venues and businesses under Project Griffin.

The attack on the Bataclan brought a renewed focus on it and training

Enclosed spaces such as theatres, concert arenas or nightclubs,

So one year on, we wanted to see how UK music venues had reacted

The medium-sized Troxy in east London and one of the busiest

venues in the world, the O2 Arena.

More recently, obviously there is a spotlight on security.

We're trying to refine our processes.

We always change and adapt our security, we don't keep it the same.

Behind the scenes, our security operation is in full swing.

You'll see a lot of our staff around.

We've got plain clothes staff as well and we also

We obviously got in contact with the police after it happened.

The night of the Bataclan in Paris, we had a boxing show

with 1500 people here, and then we had a Russian

So, there was this sort of nervousness that was

However, we did get in contact with the police afterwards and had

a conversation in terms of, is there anything additional

They suggested that we did look at some other measures, we also then

put all of the management team through Operation Griffin,

and we actually had the local counterterrorism team come down

to induct us, basically, and that has been fed down

to the front line team and security here as well.

We, as a decent sized venue, still have quite a small team.

Smaller venues have even smaller teams, and they're probably thinking

more about how they're going to run tonight's show and clear up

from last night's show, and booking staff for next week.

And whilst I'm sure that, you know, terrorism is on the tick list,

whereabouts it fits as a priority sometimes might slip down.

Also, what happens generally with events, is they all get bunched

together, and there's a bit of a lull period.

Then you look back in terms of your processes,

whereas when you're doing back-to-back for 30 days in a row,

it can be quite difficult to prioritise other elements.

Whilst both the Troxy and the O2 Arena have

upgraded their security, there is concern within

the Private Security industry that not everyone is taking advantage

I think everyone has upped their game in the UK.

The police have been incredibly proactive in putting in free

training and advice to venues, venues themselves have

upped their game by putting additional procedures in place,

by putting additional training in place for their staff,

and generally raising the level of awareness within

I think there is a misconception from some of the smaller venue

operators that anything to do with counterterrorism

is horrifically expensive and they simply do not

have the budget for it. In fact, the opposite is true.

There's an incredible amount of absolutely free help

There are standard operational procedures they could implement

I do think there are a small number of venues that have potentially

slipped between the cracks, under the illusion that they simply

Baroness Ruth Hennig, a former head of the regulator

of private security firms, wants to change the law,

to force venues to prioritise counterterror training.

Often, at larger venues I think, but not always only large

venues, who for example, do have airport style security,

who do have metal detectors, who do have very well-trained

security personnel, and they top of this training regularly.

So there are some people out there who are taking

But I think at the other end, there are a lot of venues,

there is a tail of venues, who aren't taking it seriously -

we know this from the police - who don't cooperate,

who don't take up the offers that are made to them,

and where I think there are some concerns.

The issue is, how do you get to that tail of security venues

who are perhaps not doing as much as they should do about security?

And how do you get to them? What is the solution?

All clubs and bars, and similar venues, are licensed under

If you were to make the legislation more specific in terms

of counterterrorism, then these venues would have to show

that they were actually taking security seriously,

In the past hour, a fifth victim of the Manchester bomb attack has been

named, she is Kelly Brewster from Sheffield, and many more are likely

to be identified over the next few hours. The death of 15-year-old

schoolgirl Olivia Campbell was announced by her family after they

spent Tuesday desperately searching for her, and appealing to the public

for help. She was from Bury. Her mum Charlotte wrote on Facebook, RIP my

darling, precious, gorgeous girl, taken far too soon, ghosting with

the angels and keep smiling. Mummy loves you so much. Tributes have

been paid to eight-year-old Saffie Roussos, described by her

headteacher in Lancashire as simply a beautiful little girl in every

aspect of the word. Friends of Georgina Callander has paid tribute

to their beautiful friend. She was a 19-year-old student in Lille and,

where a dedicated support team is supporting students. And John

Atkinson from Bury was 28 years of age. His friends have set up a

fundraising page to support his family, and have described him as

one in a million, and loved by so many. Of the six D4 people treated

at hospital after the attack, 20 remain in critical care across

Manchester -- 64. We will talk more about security at venues with Reg

Walker. head of the Iridium Consultancy,

a ticket security firm. In terms of how security will change

at theatres, football is they do, what will happen? Since the

incident, there has been a review of everyone's security procedures at

all venues across the UK, both large and small. I think there have

already been lessened learned will stop what the Manchester incident

does highlight is that venues need to think more about security in

depth. It's not right that we should simply secure venues up to the

doors, and not beyond that point. That's one of the major changes that

we will see at some venues coming into effect within the coming days.

Right, so from a venue, all the way out to public transport, bus stops

and train stations, that kind of thing? Processes have been in place

for over a decade, there is criminality on the exterior of

events, and security goes right up to transport hubs. That is something

all venues should consider at this time. OK, thank you.

The taxi driver offering free rides, the homeless man who went to help

victims, people giving up rooms in their house for strangers to stay

in, the hotels offering shelter, the queues of people donating blood,

the rabbi who we spoke to yesterday offering free tea and coffee,

medics volunteering to come into work - the people of Manchester

showed the size of their heart and generosity yesterday,

something which former Manchester United legend

To the victims, kids, teenagers, adults, to the families, to their

friends, to all, all of you, all of us... I think to the City of

Manchester, and Mancunians, who I love deeply... I think to this

country, England, the England, who I love deeply, I stand with you. My

heart is with you. I've will feel close to you.

Yesterday, the current Manchester United players observed a minute of

silence for those that were killed on Monday night. Other sports stars

have paid tribute and offered messages of support to the City.

This morning, a fifth victim of the Manchester bomb attack has been

named, Kelly Brewster from Sheffield. We have also heard about

the death of 15-year-old schoolgirl Olivia Campbell, her death announced

by her family after they had spent all of Monday night through into

Tuesday, desperately searching for her, and appealing to the public for

help on Facebook her mother wrote, RIP, my dialling, precious, gorgeous

girl, taken too soon. Sing with the angels. Mummy loves you so much.

Tributes have also been paid to eight-year-old Saffie Roussos,

described by her headteacher in Lancashire as "simply a beautiful

little girl in every aspect of the word".

Friends of Georgina Callander have paid tribute to

She was a 19-year-old student at Runshaw College where

a dedicated support team is supporting other students.

His friends have set up a fundraising page to support this

family and have described him as "one in a million

Of the 64 people being treated at hospital after the attack,

20 remain in "critical care" across Manchester.

You can see more people arriving here to leave flowers and messages

of sympathy. We will talk to our correspondence outside magister,

what is the latest? As we have heard in the last few minutes, three men

have been arrested in connection with this investigation in the South

Manchester area, that was after police were issued with warrants. We

have learned the other man arrested yesterday in connection with this

investigation, a 23-year-old man that was arrested in South

Manchester, he is the brother of the attacker, Salman Abedi. It is a very

fast moving investigation, as we are aware, of course, leading to the

terror threat being raised, and troops being potentially deployed to

the streets. Greater Manchester Police here have said that will

support them in their efforts as they continue with this

investigation. Yesterday, Salman Abedi was identified. Today, Amber

Rudd said he was known to intelligence services up to a point.

It will be crucial to understand what that means. We understand he

has recently returned from Libya. His British passport will have been

checked then. We believe American intelligence services may know

something about him, too. Crucial now to the investigation, was the

acting alone? Amber Rudd said earlier that he was likely to not

have been. But police want to know where the bomb was made, if others

were involved, and if they were, who they are will stop

Thank you very much. June Kelly has confirmed that one of the men

arrested in the last 24 hours is a brother of the suicide bomber. I can

also tell you that a PR manager, Martyn Hett, he has been named, he

died at the Manchester Arena with his friend Stuart Aspinall. His

family were searching for him via social media. Thank you for your

company today. Stay with BBC news throughout the day for more reaction

from Manchester.