01/06/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

We speak exclusively to two brothers whose father shot dead their mother

and sister following years of controlling behaviour.

Luke and Ryan Hart, speaking for the first time,

It doesn't hit you in one go and then you have to deal with it,

it seeps into you and it's just really disorientating.

I think for me, there's still a huge amount of confusion

because you obviously still try and make sense, obviously you can't

With just a week to go until the general election -

Theresa May is criticised for staying away from the latest

television debate which saw a series of ill-tempered exchanges.

We will always provide that safety net where it is needed. You try to

take personal independence payment away from people with disabilities

and then turned yourselves around after a few days on that.

Jeremy, I know there is no extra payment you don't want to add to,

Also this morning - the latest in our election blind date series.

Today, Cambridge historian Mary Beard and strip club

You look slightly distinguished, quite hunky. You are quite a pretty

lady. Get that on camera! Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11am. We're also talking about

Ariana Grande's One Love Manchester concert to raise money for people

affected by the Manchester bombing. Tickets go on sale

at 10am this morning. We'll have the details

and we'd love to hear Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Theresa May's political opponents

have criticised her for not taking part in a seven-way

general election debate. She was accused of lacking "guts"

during the 90-minute event. Let's get more from our political

guru Norman Smith... Is it possible to say who one?

It was probably the television volume button as people try to turn

down all of the shouting and interruptions because, let's be

honest, it was a bunfight with seven politicians trying to get their

views over. Were we any wiser by the end of it? Probably not. The big

political question is how damaged was Theresa May by the fact that she

didn't turn up, and did Jeremy Corbyn really managed to exploit the

moment, to seize his chance? The truth is, I don't think really

either happened. Mrs May was damaged before anyone spoke a word because

of the fact she had not turned up, and Jeremy Corbyn really didn't get

the space, maybe he was tired, but it was not a moment when he suddenly

crashed through and had a huge impact. So no real big winners, I

don't think about my colleague Vicki Young was following the debate.

With a week to go, this was a chance for all the parties

to pitch their offer to voters and, at the last minute, Jeremy Corbyn

Theresa May was ridiculed for staying away.

The Prime Minister is not here, she can't be bothered,

Unlike Theresa May, I'm not afraid to defend my principles and values.

It's the most important election in her lifetime and she cannot even

be bothered to come and debate the issues at stake.

It was left to her Home Secretary to fend off the attacks

on cuts to public services, including disability benefits.

I know there is no extra payment you don't want to add to,

no tax you don't want to rise, but the fact is we have

to concentrate our resources on the people who need it most

and we have to stop thinking, as you do, that there's

I would just say this, since Amber Rudd seems so confident

this is a country at ease with itself - have you

Have you seen people sleeping around our stations?

For Amber to say that this is a Government that cares

for those most vulnerable I think is downright insulting to the kind

of people that I see in my constituency surgery.

Tim Farron was keen to make the Liberal Democrat case

for staying in the single market after Brexit.

The Liberal Democrats have got a fully costed manifesto.

I'll tell you what, though, there's a long-term economic plan

underlying the whole of the Liberal Democrat manifesto,

and that is - don't leave the European single

market and throw away ?15 billion every single year in revenue.

While others clashed over immigration, Ukip suggesting Britain

would struggle to cope with rising numbers.

We have to get the population under control, because if we carry

on on the road we're on, we'll have a population

of 80 million by the middle of the century.

Ukip keep using this issue, they want to whip up people's

hatred, division and fear, and that's why they talk

I think this debate shames and demeans us all.

I don't think there's anyone in this room or anybody watching this debate

from Cornwall to Caithness who does not understand the positive

contribution that people have made to this land who've come

from the rest of Europe and the rest of the world,

and demonising those people is totally unacceptable.

This was a crowded field, with seven parties all

And, as the party in Government, it wasn't surprising

that the Conservatives came under sustained attack over their record.

Their response was to say that being in power requires

There were no clear winners in this debate,

My sense is that by and large all the leaders did OK but if I had to

pick out two who I think outperformed the others I would

probably go with Caroline Lucas and Amber Rudd. Caroline Lucas

disproving those who may be the green politicians are friendly, not

going to be two argy-bargy by really going in against Amber Rudd to say

it was downright insulting of the Tories to say they are protecting

the poorest in society. And Amber Rudd stuck to some fairly simple,

effective lines about Jeremy Corbyn having a fantasyland economics,

believing there was a magic money tree to pay for everything, and

amidst all the shouting and arguing those simple minds, I suspect

committed perhaps come through. Thank you very much, Norman.

Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Two brothers whose father shot dead their mother and sister described

him as behaving like a terrorist. Lance Hart killed his wife and

daughter outside swimming pool in Spalding last July before turning

the weapon on himself. His sons Luke and Ryan have told this programme

that domestic abuse is not necessarily defined by violence but

by the mindset of the perpetrator. They describe a lifetime of struggle

in end during their father's controlling behaviour.

The thing we learned in the end with our father, he had the mentality of

a terrorist, willing to kill himself to achieve what he achieved, and

someone who is that fundamental, you cannot stop, and I think that is the

thing that makes our case so difficult for us to comprehend, it

almost feels like we weren't safe whatever we did, you know? If we had

stayed, he was planning to kill us there and given the fact we had

left, you'd then just applied it in different terms.

You can see that full interview later in the programme.

Chinese and European Union leaders are preparing to issue a joint

statement supporting the Paris accord on climate change. They will

declare the agreement is more important than ever and say they are

stepping up plans to cut carbon emissions. President Trump is

expected to announce at 8pm this evening British time whether he is

withdrawing the US from the Paris deal.

A prisoner who overpowered his guards to escape from hospital has

Michal Kisiel, who police described as dangerous,

was spotted by a member of the public yesterday evening.

More than 5500 cases of child sexual abuse linked to the internet

were recorded by police forces in England and Wales

The figures, obtained by the NSPCC, show a 44% rise

The charity is calling for stricter internet safety measures

To ensure that Government is regulating companies in the same way

as they would be regulating cos off-line, and what that looks like

is ensuring that children's privacy online is on as a default when they

are going online, all children, young people under the age of 18,

and we also want to ensure the Government imposes fines on

companies that flout those regulations.

Police investigating the Manchester Arena bombing have

released a 21-year-old man from Nuneaton without charge.

Ten people remain in custody as detectives try to establish

whether the bomber, Salman Abedi, had any help.

Meanwhile, tickets for a benefit concert in aid of the victims

of the attack will go on sale later this morning.

Artists including Katie Perry, Take That, Justin Bieber

and Coldplay will all perform alongside Ariana Grande

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

Thank you very much. If you are getting in touch, you are very

welcome, you can use the hashtag and if you text we will have to charge

you, the standard network rate. Let's get some sport with Holly, a

big few weeks the cricket in this country with the champion/ the?

That's right, if you are a cricket fan you will know this is the second

biggest tournament in global 50 over cricket and this time England are

the favourites. They kick off against Bangladesh at the Oval at

10:30am this morning and while there is a lot of expectation England have

an exciting young team this year but the champion/ Pic is a competition

where everyday matters so teams just cannot

slip up. As well as the champions Trophy in England and Wales we have

the women's World Cup this month so it is an important summer for the

sport. Highlights of the champions Trophy will be on the BBC, which

will ensure the tournament can perhaps reach a wider audience than

it has before and maybe stop the decline of participation among young

people which it has had in recent years, and get more into the public

consciousness. A win for England would certainly get people talking

about cricket. Two days before the British Lions

start their tour and there is talk about the packed schedule?

We heard a lot about this yesterday, they arrived in New Zealand and it

really is quite a gruelling schedule. They have had their first

bull session at the stadium in Albany and we do know that it will

be Sam Warburton who will captain the squad in the opening match

against the barbarians which will happen on Saturday, his first game

since suffering a knee injury back in April. Warburton has said he

feels the talk around this packed schedule has been blown way out of

proportion, and head coach Warren Gatland has said he feels the squad

are ready and he has said that he feels it is very important keeping

the squad together early on and he doesn't want to split up the squad

in the way that perhaps Graham Henry did in Australia in 2001.

It is paramount for these guys at the moment. I know the players

involved with Graham Henry in 2001, he lost half the team on day one

because, you guys over here, you guys over there, and the players

knew straightaway, that is the test side, we are just making up the

numbers. I think it is important these guys feel like they are

putting themselves in the shop window, that they have a chance to

go and prove themselves. The Lions'

first match against the provincial barbarians. It is also worth

mentioning that Warren Gatland's Sun has been confirmed in that team so

we could see some father-son rivalry on Saturday.

Let's hope so. Andy Murray plays again in the French Open in a few

minutes? That is right, that is happening

very shortly, we should see that happening. This follows the much

that happened earlier this week, there was a lot of debate around

Martin Klizan, who had a much earlier this week, he had been

suffering with some calf problems and limped his way through that

first round, his opponent resulted Haka accused him of faking it and

the umpire had to come in and separate them. Andy Murray now have

this much coming up, he himself has been accused of being a bit of a

drama queen in the past, these two have not met since last October so

it could be interesting, definitely one worth watching.

Cheers, Holly, thank you, more from Holly throughout the morning.

I have recorded an interview this morning with two brothers, Luke and

Ryan Hart, one is 27, one is 26, they are speaking for the first time

about the fact that their father last year killed their mother and

their sister, Charlotte, aged 19. There she is. They have never spoken

before, the reason that they want to speak now, there is a picture of

their mum, Claire, the reason they want to speak now is to talk about

the controlling behaviour the family experience at the hands of their

father, Lance Hart, the years and years and the fact that they did not

realise that that was wrong, that it was not normal in most families. So,

do listen, do watch the interview, which is coming up after 10am. They

are two quite remarkable and very courageous young men. That is just

after 10am this morning. Lots and lots and lots of you have

been in touch to say how much you are enjoying our election Blind

dates series, where we bring together two people over lunch, two

people with very different views. Today, TV historian and feminist

Mary Beard meets strip club owner They both claim to be feminists -

but who will win the argument? There is quite a lot of flirting.

This is how they got on. There is an election on and people

are talking politics. So what happens when you send two people

with opposing views on the launch date? I'm well nervous. This has

been so long, literally! Will Sparks fly? You see people who can work and

choose not to. It angers me. You look gloriously distinguished and

slightly hunky. You are quite a pretty lady. Get that on camera!

When people stand at the dispatch box and tell me there is more money

and education, I look around and wonder where it has gone? It is not

in my children's school. I would summarise my politics very

simply as the maverick left and proud. I am merely bearded and I am

a professor of classics at the University of Kent Reg. I do Roman

documentaries on BBC. It has got my face out there for a better or much

worse. I floated around, sometimes voting Labour, sometimes voting Lib

Dem. What is politics about? Days about thrashing things out. Things

don't get thrashed out now. Many of my political opponents are wrong!

But I don't think they are stupid. I'm ready. Put the soft focus on, I

think. It always amazes me that people do know who I am. I'm Peter

Stringfellow. Not Peter, the nightclub guy. Paris, New York,

Miami. I realise that me and the Conservatives have a lot in common.

If you go for lunch with me, you have to be very special. I don't do

lunches. Sex is night-time. Lunch? What do you do with lunch? I don't

know. It does feel a bit like a blind

date, really. And I have been reflecting who it might be.

LAUGHTER. That's OK. I'm happy. How you? I'm

good. I'm very happy. Good. Great place for lunch. I hope you are

impressed! Right, nihilism, you are going to have to remind me of your

full name. Mary Beard. And you? Peter Stringfellow. It is

surprisingly like a blind date. I haven't had a blind date for about

40 years. I was sitting here and I thought, I'm beginning to feel a bit

nervous. I never, ever had a blind date. You are my first. Let's enjoy

it. Two poached eggs on toast. I'm going to have a cheese omelette.

Wait a minute, let me get this right. ?2 40. Reasonable as well.

Reasonable?! I'm going to be the cheapest launch date you have ever

had! The idea of high taxes I don't believe in at all. Taxes lead to a

low economy. I know it is a fact there is a flow down. Forget the

word trickle. My gut instinct is to think there is a prime Facey case

that if you are very rich you haven't paid your taxes. To a

degree. But they have probably found legal loopholes. Let's get back to

real people who vote on aspirations. They want a better house, a better

car, i.e., for instance, paid for my kids' education. We have good

holidays. I own a couple of houses. This is taken me 50 odd years to

get. I have been up and down like a yo-yo. People like me, when we come

down, we have to go back up again. We are not academics. You are a bit

of an academic. That's my day job. There's nothing wrong with that. I

wish I was educated. People like me are not pretending to be the

saviours of the world. We are a bit selfish. We want a better life. But

in our awake, people are making money. They have got jobs. They will

get a better life. Now what is wrong... I'm still working. I'm 76

and I'm still working. What do you say to me? I'm not in your league of

wealth. I have one house, I am comfortably off. And I see no reason

why I should not contribute more from my income, which I can well

afford to do, to people who are doing absolutely vital, necessary

jobs, and are underpaid. We have an obligation to do this. Forgive me if

I say this, I'm assuming something here. You don't create jobs, do you,

with what you do? Addy got a housekeeper? No. You haven't got a

housekeeper?! I thought everybody had a housekeeper! I employ people

within my business. And they rely upon me. And they rely upon my

success. I don't know anybody, maybe you were the first one, who doesn't

want a bigger house, a better house, a better job, a better family. You

don't care about that? My desire is not to be richer. With all respect,

I pay ludicrous amounts of tax. It is my company, I own it. I have a

massive salary which helps keep my family. I keep a lot of people

going. And I contribute to this incredibly -- economy, incredibly.

Absolutely. I'm not trying to impugn your morals. Some people's Moreaux I

would impugn, but yours, no. There is a very simple point about human

justice. I see very, very little sign in what the Tories say or do or

their record, of them recognising and joining me in saying this is

unfair. Poached eggs. I'm having coffee. What are you going to have?

I have a copy you. -- you have a copy. My mother used to hate crumbs.

Let's get on to a bit of the... I can't wait, Mary! What? I am a

feminist. I don't necessarily agree with front line troops being female

but they want to be. Therefore the feminist in me says they must do

what they wish to do. I interpret feminism as being -- saying quite

simply, women can do what they want to do and not be told by a man. So

if they want to take their clothes off? They can. What they do is

entirely up to them within the scope of the law. Then they go on to make

money at your level? Of course not. They make their money and go into

their own businesses. These people are entrepreneurs themselves. They

come from all around Europe. This is one of the reasons I am a Remainer,

of course. That's wonderful! Can I just slightly parody you and say,

I'm a Remainer because I want all of those nice eastern European girls to

come and take their clothes off in my club! I like all those European

people to come and earn money in my club. I don't think you are anything

other than sincere. But I would challenge is your simplistic notion

that feminism is about what women want to do. Because the whole point,

it seems to me, but women's choices is that they are deeply determined

by a whole range of things. They haven't got a free choice. You agree

with it. That is what you are saying. No. I would be interested to

talk to some of your girls. Maybe I will get a chance one day. Why do

you think they would talk to you? Because you feel they have got to?

Would you go up to somebody on the street and say, why are you

painting? Why are you driving this truck? Maybe this BBC team can set

it up like they have today. Let me just tell you something. You are

quite a pretty lady. Get that on camera! Get it on camera! Call me

inconsistent. Call me inconsistent! You have a great smile, lovely

sparkling eyes. I am what I am. I have had a lot of major run-ins with

people who are really saying to me, look darling, you're grey-haired,

why don't you diet? County do something about your teeth? Please

make yourself look prettier for us. I don't know that world. I don't

know the world of people who would say that to you. I don't know those

kind of people. Don't you think you under Pennetta? It is a very

different world for a man with grey hair than for a woman with grey

hair. You look kind of gloriously distinguished, slightly hunky. Hit

me with it. I'm good looking, and I?! If you are a woman with grey

hair, you are constantly told that you should do something about

yourself. Now you might say that has nothing to do with your business,

but I would say that you have to look to what underpins and justifies

that particular way of judging women. And one of the things that

underpins it is your girls in your clubs, who are actually really in

our represent, in normative view of female beauty. No. I've got to say

no. I'll answer it as best I can. Sadly, you have bumped into some

weird people. The women I know will judge young women while they are

young, toll-booths, big boobs, you name it, for a little while. But

women do the same two men. I like a guy with taxes, no hair. Look at me,

I'm 76, coming up 277, I have got two young babies, a gorgeous former

ballerina wife at 34, 35, I hope I have got that right, and I that

judged. Oh my God, she is only with him for the money. It's rubbish. Do

I care? Does my wife care? No. We're not talking about a world in which

nobody judges no one else. But you tend to stop your analysis to quit.

How does power influence money, aspiration, related to those ideas

of judgment? I don't get that at all. Someone like me has grown up

looking at the telly and wrinkly old guys... I'm taking this personal! I

quite like wrinkly old guys. I am looking at wrinkly old guys and

young women with blonde hair, women over 50. One of the commonest things

they say is, I feel invisible now. We judge everything. We judge cars,

we judge everybody. It's no good just saying that. I just want to say

that you... I'd love to teach you, Peter. I'd like to set you an essay

to write. And I would like to have a good real Barney about it. I know

more than you. I have lived longer. I have had more experience than you.

Your experience is quite limited. Mine is massive. You have no idea

about how limited my experience is! I talk about extended my experience

when I say, it would be quite interesting to talk to some of the

women in your club, and you say, why do they want to speak to you? I

didn't say that. I didn't! Merhi, I have enjoyed having lunch with you.

Have you changed my view? Are nothing, to be honest, but it has

been good to learn about you. I am paying! No, this is where political

correctness goes out of the window, I am an old-fashioned guy. If you

are an old-fashioned lady, you will let me have it! It is an

old-fashioned joke. You can keep the change. Mary, it is a draw. We

didn't come in order to win! Oh, yes, we did! After you.

I enjoyed it. So did I. I didn't convince you on anything? Not

really, no. And I think within the UK you do have the opportunity to

aspire and go forth. I think that is where, on reflection, our or

disagreement comes from. I have to say this, I am living proof that you

are wrong. I left school at 15, backstreet of Sheffield, you could

not get any more working-class than me, and I have done it, if I can do

it anyone can. You are living proof that you can do it, you are not

living proof that anyone else can. If you have ambition in the UK, you

can go places. I admire you, your academic qualifications are

incredible, but you are somewhat... Protected, and I haven't been, and

you have been. Once you have been to my club, me and you will agree on

everything! And me and your husband will as well. I am waiting for you,

Robin, that is his name? Yes, it is! I have forgotten what I wanted to

say, you put me off my stride! That is one of my problems in life! I

just imagine what some of my best friends are going to say... Can I

come with you?! No, they are not, Stringfellow, they are going to say,

Mary, you just let him get away with it! I think that you probably ought

to come and see what life is like for a job being working academic in

Cambridge... I'd love to. Because I think people often think this is

ivory tower, privilege, don't face the real world. Come and see. And

then we can have lunch. I think we will keep on being friends. I think

it will be very interesting to know what I think after I have been to

the club. I do not predict that my mind will be much changed, but you

never know. I know you, you are a lady for life, a good live of life,

and I'm sure you will enjoy the nightclub. Thank you! It is a date!

Is that OK, folks? So anyway, Oxford and Cambridge...

Thank you, gentlemen. My mother would turn in her grave, I am from

an era of men... Gabby is not impressed. This is a

carefully constructed bit of propaganda. Just because a classics

scholar, Mary Beard, she said, if I was a member of the Labour Party I

would vote for coping. Can anyone think this is balanced journalism?

What a joke. Another says, Stringfellow and Mary Beard meeting,

he does not half interrupted a lot! And another makes the same point,

clearly loves himself more than anyone else does. Peters says, Peter

Stringfellow is proving the need for tax and taxing more. He is also

under the delusion you can pay for everything yourself. Good luck

buying a motorway, Peter, hospital, a police force, or an army.

Thank you for those, if you are getting in touch, use the hashtag

#VictoriaLIVE. Or there is always Facebook.

And tomorrow, Labour's Jess Phillips and Conservative John Whittingdale

go on an Election Blind Date and talk ambition, heavy metal and -

I was in Wilkinson is buying some bin bags the other day and somebody

was like that, I cannot believe you are in Wilkinsons! I was like, I

have to put things in the bin! I don't have people to put things in

my bins! That is tomorrow.

Tickets for Sunday's memorial concert in Manchester with Ariana

Grande, Justin Bieber and Coldplay, go on sale in about

half-an-hour's time - we'll be talking to someone

who was at the concert when the attack took place,

and has been given a free ticket for the event.

And, in Afghanistan, as residents clear the debris

after yesterday's car bomb attack in Kabul,

we'll be speaking to a man who lost his colleague

in the blast, and Afghanistan's UK ambassador will also be

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Theresa May will again put Brexit at the heart of the Conservative

campaign today as she faces continued criticism for failing

to take part in last night's television debate

The Tories were represented by the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

in an event which saw heated exchanges on a range of issues.

Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn clashed with Amber Rudd over cuts, while she

said only the Conservatives were strong enough to negotiate Brexit.

Today at 3.30pm on BBC News, we will be putting your questions

about issues which affect older people in this election to our

personal finance correspondent and two pensions experts.

If you have a question on the pensions triple lock,

social care, or inheritance tax, you can get in touch via Twitter

using the hashtag #BBCAskThis, or text your questions to 61124,

and you can email us as well at [email protected].

Two brothers whose father shot dead their mother and sister have

described him as behaving like a terrorist. Lance Hart killed his

wife Claire and daughter Charlotte outside a swimming pool in Spalding

last July before turning the weapon on himself. His sons Luke and Ryan

have told this programme that domestic abuse isn't necessarily

defined by violence but by the mindset of the perpetrator. They

describe a lifetime of struggle enduring their father's controlling

behaviour. The thing we learned in the end was,

with our father, he had the mentality of a terrorist,

he was willing to kill himself to achieve what he achieved,

and someone who is that fundamental, you can't stop, and I think

that is the thing that makes our case so difficult for us

to comprehend, it almost feels like we weren't safe

whatever we did, you know? If we had stayed, he was planning

to kill us there and given the fact we'd left, he then

justified it in different terms. President Trump is expected to

announce at 8pm this evening whether he will be withdrawn from the US

from the Paris climate change deal. More than 5500 cases of child sexual

abuse linked to the internet were recorded by police forces

in England The figures, obtained

by the NSPCC, show a 44% rise The charity is calling for stricter

internet safety measures That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10am. Holly is back with the latest board.

Just over an hour to go before the start of the champions Trophy,

cricket's second biggest global 50 over competition. Hosts England are

favourite to win their first major 50 over global title and start this

morning against Bangladesh at the Oval.

Less than 48 hours until the British and Irish Lions' first match of

their tour of New Zealand and head coach Warren Gatland insists he

won't make the same mistake as his predecessor by splitting the squads

for tests and matches. Martina Navratilova has repeated her

call for the Margaret Court Arena at the Australian Open to be renamed,

describing Court is a racist and homophobic following her comments

about homosexuality. And Andy Murray is back in action at

the French Open this morning facing the world number 50 in the second

round. Britain's Kyle Edmund is on court later as well.

Those are the headlines, more after 10am.

Tickets for Ariana Grande's One Love Manchester concert at go on sale

The event at Old Trafford on Sunday will be broadcast on BBC One

and raise money for those affected by the suicide bombing last Monday,

Our entertainment reporter Chi Chi Izundu is here.

It is quite an astonishing line-up. We have the likes of Justin Bieber,

Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, take that, the Black eyed peas also confirmed

they will be performing. Tony Walsh, the poet, who read the Manchester

pairing the day after the attack, he has also agreed to perform, there

will be a performance from a local school choir and there were rumours

of other artists like Madonna, Races, a big rumour about them

reforming because the Black Eyed Peas, one of them accidentally

mentioned them in at Wid but there is no confirmation, we expect other

surprise names to be announced as the days go on.

Tickets go on sale, those who were at the concert a week last Monday

will get a free ticket, we are told...

If they registered by 10pm last night.

What about measures being put in place to stop tickets being resold

on the secondary websites for a profit?

This is an offshoot a lot of people are worried about, website said they

will not allow the resale of charity events on their platforms. StubHub

have said the same. We have tried to contact ViaGoGo, they have not

confirmed they won't allow the resale. So anyone's guess if they

appear on that platform. Are there any estimate as to how

much money this charity concert could raise for families and

relatives of those who were killed and injured?

They are expecting the amount to raise about ?2 million, tickets are

going for about ?40 each that this is just on the ticket sales. Let's

not forget that HMV have said they will donate all the proceeds of the

album that they plan to put together of the artists, Bube Oval match all

of the receipts they get from taking people there and back -- Uber will

match. A lot of artists also getting their fans to donate, like Justin

Timberlake, Tom Hardy, so it should raise in excess of 2 million.

We can now speak to a fan who hopes to be at Sunday's concert.

Vina lives in Manchester and was at the Ariana show last

Monday, and so can register for a free ticket.

Thank you for talking to us. You were at the original gig with your

14-year-old cousin, as I understand it. You were inside the arena when

the explosion happened. When were you aware that an explosion had

happened? My cousin and I heard the bomb exploded, we were confused

because we did not know what it was and we realised it was dangerous

when everyone else started screaming and then we kind of just tried to

run away out of the arena. How has the last week and a half been for

you? Very tough for me. The first four days I just remember crying the

whole time but for the past few days I have been a lot better. Everyone

has been very supportive to me. What do you think about going to this

concert on Sunday? I really want to go, although I'm very scared to go

because you never know what really is going to happen, but I feel like

I need to pay my respects to the ones who unfortunately did pass

away. And what are you expecting from the event, what do you think it

is going to be like? I feel like this is a healing process, so if I

do go there it will be like a first step to join together and be

stronger than we were before. Thank you very much, Vina, thank you for

talking to us. Next, hospitals in the Afghan

capital couple are appealing for blood supplies to treat hundreds of

people injured in yesterday's devastating suicide bombing.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has condemned the attack

in the capital Kabul, which killed at least 90

This was the scene in couple yesterday, the capital of

Afghanistan. A suicide attacker detonated a powerful bomb creating

this huge crater, sending doors and windows flying hundreds of meters.

It was driven into the diplomatic area of the city in a tanker during

morning rush hour. At least 90 people were killed and hundreds more

injured, mostly civilians. The Taliban and so-called Islamic State

are the main suspects. But neither group has claimed responsibility. It

is a city where the Taliban have a long history. In the

late 90s it controlled Kabul and imposed a hardline Islamic rule on

its citizens. Then came 9/11, terrorists attacked the United

States by flying hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and

other targets. The Islamist terror group Al-Qaeda will swiftly

identified as the main suspect. Its leader, Osama Bin Laden, was closely

linked to this Taliban who publicly condemned the attacks. They refused

to release him to international justice. The US invaded Afghanistan

and pushed the Taliban out of Kabul. International forces took

responsibility for security across the country. A new regime was set up

and after it had been in place a decade outside military withdrew. In

2014, control was handed back to Afghan forces. Since then, in surge

has been rising in Afghanistan, there has been a surge in Taliban

activity, along with the number of attacks by so-called Islamic State.

There have been several attacks in Kabul itself.

There are some suggestions that... Let's talk to Afghanistan's are it

in the UK. Also a British Afghan charity workers. And also, someone

who lost their colleague in yesterday's attack. View our

director of Afghanistan's biggest news station and yesterday you lost

one of your engineers, I understand. Tell us about him? It was a very

tragic attack. We were very saddened and horrified that we lost our

colleague in a terrorist attack. We lost seven of our colleagues just

last year. This is the first casualty this year. Certainly very

heartbreaking. He was a very passionate young man and committed

to the future of the country. He was always having a smile on his face,

coming to work so passionate. I used to know him closely. It was

certainly heartbreaking to lose him yesterday. Ambassador, this was a

terrible day for your country? A very difficult day even by Kabul

standards. People were going about their lives, mostly civilians are

civil servants, and they were targeted. Many people died. The

gentleman who died was a father of four. Many others were similar. Your

family are in Kabul. Security is a huge issue. It is not secure enough?

It is. I was there earlier this month. And at times when I met with

young people I felt like Afghanistan is changing, the mood is more

positive, and people are now entering the civil society, the

government and institutions were hopeful. People have returned to

Afghanistan and want to support the development process, but it is the

tax like this are extremely demoralising the young generation.

Although campaigns are set up to support people to stay inside

Afghanistan and not seek refuge outside, I think the regular

occurrence of such attacks can have a devastating attack -- effect for

Afghanistan's future. What can your government to do better protect its

people? For every attack that takes place in Kabul, and yesterday is an

example, we intercept dozens. Do you? Yes, definitely. Hundreds of

suspects have been detained. Dozens of car bombs have been intercepted

in Kabul and other cities. Unfortunately, in some instances,

car bombs or terrorists will make it into the city. That is unfortunate.

That is why yesterday, the president asked for a further national

consultation to further galvanise the support for the Afghan security

forces, and also seek more support for the region for our peace

efforts. Explained to our British audience what you believe the

insurgents... Clearly they are sowing terror across the capital.

But what do they want? They have been fighting for what they proclaim

to be a specific type of government. But what they receive is the

support, logistical and financial, from the region. The fight in

Afghanistan is not just for the sake of Afghanistan, it is for the sake

of the stability of the region and the world. We have seen the Taliban.

Now we see other groups, Isis, Daesh, with more of a fundamentalist

agenda. As you explained in your earlier answer, you regularly face

this threat as you simply try to do your day job. What is your view

about what would make the capital more stable, more safe, more secure,

for you and your colleagues? We have two understand this was a security

failure. If you look at where the blast happened and the proximity of

one kilometre in any direction, you see dozens of police, army,

intelligence checkpoints. A truck full of explosives, now they say

close to 2000 kg, getting into the Green zone. That is certainly a

failure. One has to be accountable. I think the Afghan government

definitely needs to come out. It is plain to the Afghan people... What

we saw yesterday was a clear indication that... There is not the

right security, institutions or leadership.

Ambassador, briefly. How do you respond to that? There is not the

leadership to make the city stable. We are facing similar attacks all

over the world, including city is well organised and protected such as

London. When we're fighting the enemy we had 150,000 troops just a

year ago in Afghanistan... We wouldn't be seeing these kind of

incidents. That is why the government is taking responsibility

and have taken measures. Thank you, all of you. Thank you very much for

talking to us this morning. We appreciate your time.

Still to come, we will speak to to brothers who speak about their own

father, whose shot dead their mother and sister.

You can define the personality, psychopathic lack of empathy. That

give somebody the capacity to do horrible things.

If you have experienced controlling behaviour and you are able to tell

us about that experience, please do get in touch. You can read more

about Luke and Ryan and their experience of growing up with

controlling father, on the BBC site. A discursive the most read article

on the news site. -- it is currently.

At eight o'clock tonight President Trump will tell the world view is

withdrawing from the Paris accord on climate change.

Chinese and EU leaders are coming together to stress the importance

of the Paris climate agreement, after rumours Donald Trump may

The Paris deal is designed to limit the global rise in temperature

195 countries out of 197 agreed to keep global temperature rises

They also agreed to limit greenhouse gases to the level that can

And the plan is to review each country's contribution to cutting

Earlier the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson told the BBC it's not

Let's see what the president actually does. There are a number of

different strokes he could play. But yes, of course, we want to see

America continued to show leadership on climate change and in reducing

CO2 emissions. And we continue to lobby with the Americans to

encourage them to do that. To those who are worried about what the

president might or might not be about to do, and I stress we are not

there yet, I just want to make one point, which is that it is the state

governments at state level that so many of the important games have

been made in the last few years, in reducing CO2. And we will continue

to work as the UK with all levels of government in the United States, we

will continue to work with our friends and partners in the White

House and the federal government, but also of course with the state

governments. America, like the UK, has actually made huge progress in

reducing CO2, very often through a lot of technical fixes of one kind

or another. We want to encourage that process. When I was Mayor of

London, Frexit -- for example, we reduced CO2 by 14%.

The BBC's Environment Correspondent, Matt McGrath, joins me now.

What will he do? It looks like he will take the United States out of

the Paris agreement. He promised it on the campaign trail, he has made

several tweets and comment about it. And now the end of the reality show,

he is going to do something this evening. The belief is that he will

pull out. It wouldn't surprise me if he did something else. But the

belief from sources is that he will pull out. And if he does do that,

what difference will it make? That is a very good question. It will

take him four years to do that. He may well be out of office by then. I

think in practical terms in cutting emissions and things like that, it

will not make that much of a different initially. The US is the

richest country with the second most emissions. It is important they are

at the table. It is the moral sense of leadership that would be missing.

The other countries are content to move on without the US. I suppose

moral leadership, that sense of we are all in it together, small

countries matter, I think that will really hurt the United States and

the deal as well. As I explained in the introduction, he thinks it is

bad for business. Does he acknowledge that temperatures are

rising? He has always been a bit iffy. He says there may be some

contribution from human activity. He has told his campaign, he has told

his base, he was going to do this. In the White House there are a group

of people who are very strong economic nationalists who believe

that climate change is not a problem and that basically the US would be

better off without it. He thinks he can make a good economic argument

for pulling the US out. Some say it detracts from his other problems,

the sacking of James Comey, is son-in-law... It is an easy win

frame. It doesn't change anything straightaway. He gets a lot of pain

in the neck from the rest of the world and that that may play well in

the rest of the United States. News and sport in a moment, before that,

the weather. Today is the start of meteorological

summer and we had a lovely Sunrise this morning. If you are not up at

4:40am, I have got some great pictures. Our Weather Watchers were

out in force. The first one comes in from Norfolk. Look of those dark

reds, the oranges. A beautiful sight. Another one from Hampshire.

This morning we have got some sunshine across some part of the UK.

Further north and west, noticed this area of Cloud, which brings rain to

Northern Ireland and western Scotland. Temperatures getting into

the low 20s today. Where you have got that cloud, it will be a little

bit disappointing. This is the Highlands. With that, there will be

some outbreaks of rain. This cold front will move gradually south and

east. Not making much inroads into England and Wales. Staying largely

drive this afternoon across England and Wales. This is about four

o'clock this afternoon. Sunshine for much of south-west England, in

towards the south-east as well. Temperatures 24 to 26 degrees. Sunny

spells across much of the Midlands. Cloud increasing in Wales. Also

towards Cumbria, Lancashire. Rain from the Isle of Man and much of

Northern Ireland, limited to eastern parts. Rain heavy in the West of

Scotland. Temperatures fresher. For this evening, this area of rain will

just make very gradual process -- progress further east. England and

Wales will have a muggy night. A bit fresher further north and west.

During Friday, this area of rain will continue to move eastward.

Again it will be very slow. It will break up. Behind it, sunny spells

and showers. Fresher conditions in the north and west. Look at the

sunshine in the south-east, temperatures potentially 28 degrees.

Behind that weather front, 14 to 16. That warm air will eventually move

away. It will bring some thunderstorms on Thursday evening.

It will tear. All of us, low pressure in charge in the Atlantic.

That brings the air in from the West. And with it, quite a bit of

cloud. Sunny spells towards eastern parts. Quite heavy showers at times

towards northern and western areas. By Sunday that process continues.

Sunny spells, some showers, bit fresher. Temperatures could get to

21 degrees in the 70s. Good morning, it is just after 10am, it is

Thursday, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Shot dead in a car park -

the man who murdered his wife We'll hear from his two sons,

who say their father It doesn't hit you in one go

and then you have to deal with it, it seeps into you and it's

just really disorientating. I think for me, there's

still a huge amount of confusion because you obviously try and make

sense, obviously you can't Also this morning, loads

of you getting in touch about the latest in our

Election Blind Date series, where a certain nightclub owner

debates feminism and Brexit Peter, this is wonderful! Can I just

slightly parody you and say I am a Remainer because I want all those

nice Eastern European girls to come and take their clothes off in my

club. No, I like all those European people to come and earn money in my

club. The English are more than welcome, as well.

And you can watch the full conversation back on our programme

Hair loss affects 8 million women in the UK. Nadiya someone has spoken

about the life changing effects of losing her hair. He said to me I

actually did have... Do have the balding gene. That's not

funny. I didn't know women could have the balding gene.

We'll hear from Bucks Fizz's Cheryl Baker,

who had her own battle with alopecia and recovered, and from singer

songwriter Nell Bryden, who was completely bald

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Theresa May will again put Brexit at the heart of the Conservative

campaign today as she faces continued criticism for failing

to take part in last night's television debate

The Tories were represented by the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

in an event which saw heated exchanges on a range of issues.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn clashed with Ms Rudd over cuts,

while she said only the Conservatives were strong enough

Today at 3.30pm on BBC News, we will be putting your questions

about issues which affect older people in this election to our

personal finance correspondent and two pensions experts.

If you have a question on the pensions triple lock,

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and you can email us as well at [email protected].

Two brothers whose father shot dead their mother and sister have

described him as behaving like a terrorist.

Lance Hart killed his wife Claire and daughter Charlotte outside

a swimming pool in Spalding last July before turning

His sons Luke and Ryan have told this programme that domestic abuse

isn't necessarily defined by violence but by the mindset

They describe a lifetime of struggle enduring their father's

And you can see Victoria's full interview with Luke and Ryan

in a few minutes' time, just after this bulletin.

Chinese and European Union leaders are preparing to issue a joint

statement supporting the Paris accord on climate change.

They'll declare that the agreement is more important than ever,

and say they're stepping up plans to cut carbon emissions.

President Trump will announce at 8pm this evening

British time whether he's withdrawing the US

More than 5500 cases of child sexual abuse linked to the internet

were recorded by police forces in England and Wales

The figures, obtained by the NSPCC, show a 44% rise

The charity is calling for stricter internet safety measures

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

I have some more comments on election Blind date. Dave, seems a

lot more respect was given to opposing views on election Blind

dates today than anywhere else in this election campaign.

He is not the first make that point Wayne says the BBC should make a

documentary extending the feature, where they swap lives for a week.

Another says, credit to your programme, these features are weird

and wonderful. Another says, it is hilarious, put

it on prime-time BBC One. Anthony Blair says, they would make

a great couple, the best blind date. Another, just switched onto a

election blind dates to the Mary Beard and Peter Stringfellow

discussing the election over poached eggs, I am glued!

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Holly is back with sport. Just half an hour before England begin the

start of their champions Trophy campaign, cricket's second biggest

global 50 over competition. The home side start as favourites as they

face Bangladesh this morning but would be taking it lightly, having

lost to them in two consecutive World Cup matches in 2011 and 2015.

But Captain Eoin Morgan said it is a very different team now. Last time

you played them was a home series for Bangladesh and we know how

strong they are home. It was the first time they were beaten in five

series at home so we take a lot of confidence from that. We know they

are a strong team and this is their first Champions Trophy said that

comes with an element of pressure as well. Eoin Morgan has won the toss

and England will go first at the Oval.

British and Irish live 's head coach Warren Gatland says he won't make

the same mistake as his predecessor by splitting the teams. The squad

has arrived in New Zealand yesterday at the start of their tour. Gatlin

says suggestions the schedule is too tough are overblown and has spoken

about the importance of keeping the squad together for the tests and

matches, unlike Graham Henry in 2001.

It is paramount for these guys at the moment. I know the players

involved with Graham Henry in 2001, he lost half the team on day one

because he went, you guys every year, you guys over here, and the

players knew straightaway, well, that is a test side and we are just

making up the numbers. I think it is important these guys feel like they

are putting themselves in the shop window and have a chance to go and

prove themselves. Former Arsenal and England captain

Tony Adams says manager Arsene Wenger was not the best coach she

ever had, despite the pair winning two Premier League and FA Cup

doubles together. Wenger yesterday was confirmed as staying in charge

at the Emirates with two more years. Adams was speaking on BBC breakfast

this morning. He is a fantastic physiologist, no-one could have done

the change the transition from Highbury to the Emirates, it needed

an economist and he is the best in the game at that. Physical, like I

say, preparation, recovery, best in the game. He is the best. But he has

never been a coach, to me. He is a good coach, don't get me wrong, but

he is not the best I've ever had. There are some fantastic coaches

that taught me how to defend, Arsenal never did that.

Tennis legend Martina Navratilova has accused another former Wimbledon

champion, Margaret Court, of being a homophobia in the wake of the

Australian's controversial comments about the lesbian and gay

communities. Court described tennis as "Full of lesbians" yesterday

after expressing her opposition to same-sex marriage. Navratilova

described Chord as an amazing tennis player, and a racist and homophobic.

She called some of the comment sick and dangerous. Margaret Court's

abuse led to some players this week suggesting a boycott of the Margaret

Court Arena during the Australian open in Melbourne.

Meanwhile Andy Murray plays world number 15 Martin Klizan of Slovakia

in the second round of the French Open later. We will have the latest

on that and the rest of the sport in the next hour.

Thank you very much. On 19th July last year,

a father of three grown-up children, Lance Hart, patiently lay in wait

in a leisure centre car park He knew that his 19-year-old

daughter Charlotte and wife Claire, who had escaped their controlling

marriage four days earlier, As they walked towards the centre,

he ambushed them and shot them both dead, before turning

the gun on himself. In his car he left a 12-page

suicide on a USB stick, You destroyed my life

without giving me a chance. For the first time,

their two remaining sons, Charlotte's older brothers Ryan

and Luke Hart, have decided to speak out about the day that

changed their lives forever. In an exclusive interview with us,

they describe their father as a terrorist, saying his attack

was the culmination of a lifetime There are some details

in their interview with us that Thank you for talking to us, the

stubble. I want to start by asking you to tell us and our audience

about your mum and your sister, Charlotte. Tell us what they were

like. They were the most selfless people I think we've ever met. For

them, helping other people was what they lived for. I think we lived for

them as well. It is hard to find words, really. Mum and Charlotte, as

far back as I can remember, were like my entire world and because of

how much love they gave us, I think we never realised the situation that

we were in. They created our world for us. We still live for them, in a

way, even though they are not here. Tell us about your father and the

way you were brought up, and his controlling behaviour? I think for

most of our lives we didn't realise that we were in that situation. I

think as kids we just detached ourselves, didn't understand, I

guess, the situation we were in. He was very controlling. I think as he

got older he demanded more from the family. It started out as just, I

think, a power thing, he felt like he needed power over us. He

developed financial control and slowly ratcheted away freedoms from

all of us. Luke and I went to university and I think when we left

and it was just mum and Charlotte with him, he started to get worse.

Charlotte is your little sister. You are 27, 26, and she was 19 when she

died. He, as you said, he controlled the money. If you had a McDonald's,

you had to hide that. He kept your mum's passport in a safe, you

wouldn't let her have a smartphone, why? I think we always just, growing

up with an adult like that, you just perceive that is some necessary

control, part of running a family, behind-the-scenes there are things

going on you don't understand. It is normal to you, you know? I think he

was always our masculine role model, just the thing that we understood to

be a father, so to us it just seemed normality, you know? It is only in

retrospect, really, that we can see those sorts of behaviours were all

based on power. It wasn't even that money was an issue and he was being

financially controlling. It cost maybe a pound to go and do

something, maybe take the dogs to obedience training, which Charlotte

used to love to do, and he used to stop it, but he would gamble online,

he would waste whatever money we had doing whatever he wanted. I think

for him it wasn't even about the money, it wasn't about the things,

just the obstruction of control, as long as he felt in control it gave

him, I don't know, that's all he wanted, it didn't matter what he was

doing he just felt that, and the thing that makes it really dangerous

if he was always very self escalating in his behaviour. As his

final act proved, he was incredibly self-destructive and for us it was

always a matter of shaping around him, so we always had to give in, so

after a while we never noticed it because we were so used to giving in

and all based tiny ratcheting things he always did, and because we always

gave in, we got to the point where, like you said, he has mum's keys and

passports and document in the safe and we had no financial capability

to do anything, and we realised that he had slowly taken everything away

from us, and that was when we decided we had to leave. Was their

physical violence? No, and I think that is why we were so blind to our

situation because we were looking out for physical violence, all of us

were, that was I think going to be our sign that it was abuse. So I

think, like Luke said, the ratcheting away over decades, we

didn't realise I guess the situation, we didn't understand it

for what it actually was, so I think that is one of the messages we want

to get out, is that physical violence is not the only sign of

domestic abuse. Quite often there is no physical violence. In our case,

people would have seen it as maybe just a normal family... With a dad

who was a bit angry sometimes? We used the word protective, it was

euphemistic, he was protective but would never let us protect

ourselves, it was protection on his terms, which was just total control

in the end. Had you thought in your own heads or had a conversation

about it, if there was a bruise, we could go to the police? Mum was

recording everything that he did in a diary so we had it all written

down but the things that we had written down were, en masse you

could maybe present a case but as they were it was almost like... It

was very difficult to see it for what it was, I think, and the thing

that we learned in the end with our father, the mentality of a

terrorist, he was willing to kill himself to achieve what he achieved,

and someone who is that fundamental, you can't stop, and I think that

think that is the thing that makes our case so difficult for us to

comprehend, it almost feels like we weren't safe whatever we did, you

know? If we had stayed, he was planning to kill us there and given

the fact that we had left he then justified it on different terms.

Before he attacked your mum and Charlotte, both of you had secretly

managed to get your mum out of the family home into a rented place,

four days before he attacked them. That was, presumably at that point

you were thinking, this is freedom for my mum and Charlotte, finally?

Yes. It was the first time I had ever seen one that happy. We had

worked secretly for the past month to set everything up without him

realising. He had no idea. We had no idea until the last few days it was

going ahead. It felt like a victory on the day. What we didn't realise

were most murders occur after the family has moved out. So in reality

we were less safe after we moved out. It is very important to realise

that you Let your guard down when you move out. Why did you keep it

secret? What did you fear he would do if he discovered your mum was

going to leave, finally? I never once thought he would resort to any

sort of violence. He was always worried about his reputation and how

people saw him. I thought of violence he would never resort to.

But I was always worried he would chorus mum back, find a new way to

trap her if he had found out what we were planning. So we had to keep it

secret, so that day-to-day life could carry on and mum felt

empowered, that she could escape. It was more to get a space between

them, to negotiate what was going on. Our father's behaviour was

always bad. He would drink an entire bottle of alcohol each night. When

you are trying to arrange a separation it is not conducive for

mum to be trapped in that house. For us, we were arranging a more

suitable way for them to discuss the situation as human beings. That is

where we thought we were. We didn't realise three weeks ago he basically

planned to kill all of us. We had no idea that was going on in the

background. How did you know three weeks earlier that he had planned to

kill all of you? From the investigation. On his laptop he had

started drafts of the Martyn Oates, way before we thought of leaving the

house. I don't know of the saw his power diminishing as we became more

independent. He had planned to kill all of us regardless. I thought it

would have been the night that we moved mum out. He was getting

exponentially worse. He started hiding her keys, her passport,

drinking whole bottles of whiskey. Yeah. After your mum had moved into

the rented place, it was four days later that he attacked your mum and

Charlotte in that car park in Spalding. And I think, Ryan, you

first heard something on the news? Yes. Did you think this could be

your family? I think four hours I was in denial. I started out trying

to contact them, Luke, then the police. I don't think it was until,

I don't know, weeks later that I accepted it. Obviously the police

couldn't confirm or deny anything. So it was just hours of getting

signals which -- which suggested it was them, and me subconsciously

trying to ignore them. You rang the police to say that this could be my

family? I ran -- rang and asked. I gave them mum and Charlotte's

descriptions and last them to confirm it wasn't them. I think when

they started getting more interested, asking for contact

details, family members, I think I started to think it probably is

them. I don't know how you cope with that. I think it is a lot of... In a

way you are protected by how little it makes sense. It takes so long to

get into you what happened, it doesn't hit you in one go and then

you have to deal with it. It seeps into you. It is re-disorientating. I

think for me it was just, and it still is, you demand of confusion.

You Make sense of total evil. It is something you have to let B and not

try to rationalise it all the time. It doesn't make any sense at all.

No. Why do you want to talk about this? I think for us we had no idea

of the danger of the situation. That we were in a domestic abuse

situation. I think many people misunderstand what it looks like.

Hopefully by sharing our story we can show people what it looks like

and how serious it could be for them. Hopefully no one else has to

go through what we have been through. That is right. I think we

had always had in our mind a line of what we were expecting before we

would go to the police, before we would just really understand that

now he has crossed a line. But in the -- but that never happened. I

suppose that always made us feel safer than we potentially were. I

think someone like our father, they are defined by their mindset rather

than their actions. It is hard to define what someone is capable of. I

think coercive and controlling behaviour, when you look at it, it

doesn't sound outrageous. You look at the stuff and you think, that

sort of sounds ordinary, but actually I think it defines the

personality, the psychopathic lack of empathy. That gives someone the

capacity to do horrible things. People perhaps don't now realise

that coercive controlling behaviour, you can go to the police to tell

them if someone is controlling you. The deafening hiss -- the definition

of domestic abuse is any incidence pattern of controlling or coercive

behaviour, violence or abuse between those aged 16 or over who are or

have been intimate partners or family members, regardless of gender

Power Mac sexuality. This can encompass but is not limited to

psychological abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, financial abuse and

emotional abuse. And those guidelines help guide prosecutors

and the police when it comes to try to prosecute. It is so important

that you explain that controlling behaviour. As you say, if you took a

couple of incident's, people would think, that is no big deal. But the

cumulative effect over decades is to oppress somebody. Basically domestic

abuse is torture. You and up just... It is in the background. There you

are and you don't see it. The power of it is the manipulation. That is

what you have to be aware of. I have asked permission to read to the

audience some of the words that your father wrote on his computer. You

described it as a murder note, Ryan. You say he began writing this three

weeks before. This is what he said in part. This was released by... In

fact, neither of you have read this 12 page letter in full. I think you

skimmed it. But you have given us permission. The reason I am going to

read some of the words is to give an insight. Also, perhaps this helps to

shape the media narrative afterwards, which is not as accurate

as you have traded today. This is what he wrote. I'm completely

screwed. I had to do this. You destroyed my life without giving me

a chance. Revenge is a dish served cold. Ryan, you know what you have

done. You got what you wished for. Ryan interviewed -- interfered all

the time. Charlotte, you cannot forgive me. I know I am completely

screwed. Right or wrong, I had to do it. You completely destroyed my life

without giving me a chance. So I will destroy yours. I love you all,

always have, always will. What you think of those words? They are the

words of an abuser. Anybody who knows an abuser knows they twist

words, they know how to manipulate people, and they have the ability

just to... His 12 page note is written in cold blood. He tried to

create a narrative ahead of time. He tried to define the narrative. And

that is what abuses do. They spend the whole time shaping your mind. To

us it is disgusting. Anybody who has been in that situation will no wear

these words have come from. It is pure evil. He hated us. That is why

be had to leave. He created that. What did you think about the way

part of the media reported on what had happened to your family? We

avoided the media for quite some time. But when we did read some of

the stories, words like understandable were used to describe

what happened. Many tried to justify it as an act of love. That is not

unique to our situation. Many victims of domestic abuse are

commonly described as an act of love. Love is the one word that does

not fit at all what happened. He was not loving in any way, shape or

form. Describing it as an act of love detracts from the seriousness

of domestic abuse. It almost sympathises with the murderer, which

is hard for us to accept, reading that if you weeks later. I would

imagine people in similar situations reading those words, it would not

make them feel like they were supported or had a way out. Was

there a narrative as well, he snapped? I think so, yeah. That

doesn't help people in a -- domestic abuse situations. It leaves you

looking out for binary incident where he snapped, I need to be

careful. Talking to people in domestic abuse situations, they are

very controlled people. It isn't a case of snapping. They may well

portrayed as snapping as part of their manipulation tactics, you

caused me to do this, this is what you have created, but really they

created it themselves. It is something that exists over decades.

What we wanted to say is that that again is how we expected it to be.

That caused us to be blind to it. The truth is that you need to be on

the lookout for quite often certain signs. When people put that together

as a narrative, it can blind more people to the situation. And it is a

pattern of behaviour. Our father would always apologise and then go

straight back into it over and over again. Yeah, it takes a long time to

build and it exists for a long time. People need to realise it is not

just a one-off event. This happened some months ago. How are you both? I

think we have been taking each day as it comes, to be honest. Slowly

building a life for ourselves. There is still a lot of confusion. Some

weeks and days are still quite hard. We are both trying to adjust to our

new lives. We are living together because we have always been

incredibly independent, gone wrong way and Gunaratne thing. Now the two

of us have two dogs. We spend a lot of time is with our dogs. It is very

strange. Besiktas we are brothers. Being brothers is sometimes a

helpful relationship. You followed, you can get on with it. It makes it

easy to work over things. From an outside perspective, it is quite

odd. But for us it works. It resets your life, I suppose. We spent our

entire lives with mum and Charlotte. Where we are now was meant to be the

rest of our lives together. That has changed. But we still need to live.

It is up to us to create something. Whatever that is. It is the first

time you have spoken publicly about what has happened. I know you have

written about how much you have relied on your younger brother. Can

you tell us little bit about that? Ryan works abroad. He went abroad in

April and his birthday was on the 22nd of April. It was quite hard. As

guys and as brothers. Also, in an environment of abuse, an abuser cuts

your support network. It was hard to talk. Because it was Ryan's birthday

and he was away, I thought, I can communicate indirectly through a

letter. But then I realised if I could write about our experiences

and posted on Facebook, maybe it can help other people. So I posted a

letter on Facebook. Basically explaining how Ryan has always been

the one to take a lot of our father's Araf. In the letter you

quoted that he was targeting Ryan. I was always trying to ameliorate, I

suppose, as an older brother, just moulded altogether and keep it

working. And failing, I suppose. But Ryan was always like there, by

protecting mum and Charlotte, taking it on for what it was, I suppose.

And for me to cope, I suppose, I kind of deluded myself a little bit,

try to manipulate what was there and keep it as manageable as possible.

But Ryan was always home every weekend, even though you were

working in Holland, you came home every weekend to check on mum and

Charlotte. He took all the flak. It is something I have never ever said

thank you for. And I suppose at that moment, it was Ryan's birthday, I

felt I needed to talk. I wanted Ryan to know it was all right to talk. It

was a good time for me to write a letter to say how grateful I was.

How did you take it? In tears, it was quite difficult to

read. And the comments that people posted, from friends and complete

strangers, I read every single one, it has been very helpful, very

difficult to read, and brings back memories of quite difficult times.

Thank you very much for talking to us today, you have spoken with

remarkable courage and we are very grateful, thank you.

Ryan and Luke Hart. If you recognise some of the controlling behaviour

that Brian and Luke described, if you think you might be in

controlling relationship, an abusive relationship, or if you are affected

by any of the issues we talked about in that interview, you can find

information about organisations that can help you from the BBC line.

If you scroll down and click on the link to domestic abuse, you will

find quite a lot of support groups and charities who can help you.

As you can imagine, so many messages about Ryan and Luke.

A discussion on coercive control, these sociopaths creating their own

narratives. It is important to hear this, these brothers are so brave.

Henry on Twitter, huge respect to the two young men sharing this

terrible story, I hope this proves to be one of the many steps to

coping. Jo on Twitter says, the police told

me that I needed proof. Diaries of behaviour and abuse were ignored.

Nine years on I hope that things have changed. Sarah says, what

strength these guys have talking in this way.

Nick clan-based book, how accurate are the words of Luke and Ryan? It

is the Cumulus aspect of so many little incidents. The bruises are on

the inside and cannot be seen. At 51, after 23 years of this plus

physical, I am undergoing counselling. 12 sessions are not

enough, I do not know what I will do when the sessions end.

Jane on Facebook says, watching the two brothers share their story

today, they are brave and generous, given the devastation their cruel

father caused. Thank you very much for all those

comments, and there were many more, actually. Many of you very admiring

of those two brothers. Hair loss affects over

8 million women in the UK, we'll be discussing the effect it

has on their life and It is because of a video released by

broadcaster Nadiya someone. And the rising numbers of women

setting up their own businesses from their kitchens. We will be hearing

from some female entrepreneurs. One week to go until the general

election, one week until you decide. Let's get the latest on the

campaigning with Norman Smith. People are still talking about last

night's TB debate. I watched it from the safety of the

soap and what a Barney it was. I wonder if Theresa May was watching

it in her Downing Street flat with Philip sitting alongside maybe with

some tumblers of something strong because, if she was, she was

probably relieved she wasn't there because it was a bit of a shouting

match, and I suppose the fact she wasn't there almost dominated a lot

of it, and was inevitably picked up by those who had turned up. Have a

listen to the SNP's Angus Robertson. The Prime Minister didn't have the

guts to come along this evening to tell us, so...

APPLAUSE. I would like to challenge Amber

Rudd... Your leader didn't come either. I would like to challenge

Amber Rudd to tell the answer to that question because they must have

costed it, they must know how much money it will bring in, please tell

the pensioners of this country how much they will have to pay to fund

Tory austerities, how much? It went on like that for most of the

evening. I don't think we learned very much. I think attention today

will move to Brexit, I say that because we have a speech from the

Prime Minister at lunchtime where she will say we are all going to be

more prosperous after we leave the EU. Why that is a big claim is

because there are lots of independent forecasters, the Office

for Budget Responsibility and others, who have been warning that,

no, the British economy may well take a hit, trade will be hit,

living standards will be hit, the pound. . This lunchtime Mrs May

trying to change the mood music a bit, trying to strike a more

optimistic note and predict that after Brexit we will be better off.

It will not be a land of milk and honey but things by and large will

be very different and I think that will set the tone of the campaign,

Mrs May wants to get away from the dark, gloomy warnings and strike a

more upbeat tone, a sort of change of gear from Mrs May as she tries to

reboot her campaign after a difficult few days.

Thanks, Norman, for the moment. It's something that affects around

eight million women in the UK - alopecia, otherwise

known as hair loss. For men, baldness is far more

accepted in society, TV presenter Nadia Sawalha has

posted a video online, fighting back tears as she speaks

about losing her hair She revealed a doctor had

told her she was going through the perimenopause,

which is the start of the menopause. Here's what she told fans online

about it's life changing effects. I seem to lose, I think I have lost

a third of my hair. And people do say, oh, my God, your hair is so

thick, so amazing, but it is not. You see here, this is where it is

balding, I am losing it all over. Now, I feel bad even saying this

when people have lost their hair completely to alopecia or cancer

treatment, but... It doesn't really make it any easier, the fact that

I'm losing my hair. I talked about it ages ago on Loose Women,

actually, and lots of people since have said to me, I'm the same, I

think it is the menopause, lost a lot of hair. And in fact I went to

the top hair dye, specialist, trichologist, I think they are

called? And he said to me that I actually do have...

I do have the balding gene. That's funny, that's not funny, I didn't

know that women could have the balding gene.

With me is the singer and songwriter Nell Bryden,

who lost her hair in 2011 due to alopecia.

And former Bucks Fizz member and TV presenter Cheryl Baker -

she's experienced hair loss after the menopause.

I will. With now, what happened, how did it affect you? I woke up one day

and so had on my pillow. I went into the shower and started holding up

clumps of hair. I knew that I had been doing a lot of my career, on

the proverbial treadmill, quite stressed out, but the thing with an

autoimmune thing is you don't know what will happen until sometime in

your life everything changes overnight. So I very little time

between the initial losing my hair and realising I had alopecia and was

going to go completely bald. In that time, I think we set these sort of

markers for ourselves, how am I going to deal with the next step? At

first, I will chop my hair, have a different output. Then I will wear

hats. Then I realised towards the end of it that I was looking in the

mirror and I saw someone who looked ill, I saw someone looking back at

me who didn't look like a healthy person, and I needed to take back

the sense of being a victim in the situation, so I shaved my hair off

and I felt so much better, so much more liberated and like I could

really move on from there. And in control? Exactly. Cheryl, your

experience is different to Nel's? Slightly, I went through the

menopause at about 50 and lost a bit of hair down and kind of put up with

it and I used hairpieces and things but then a few years later my mum

died and I think with that, the shock of my mum dying just made it

much, much worse and, like Nell just said, you look in the mirror and see

somebody else, and you just don't think that women lose their hair,

because that is the general belief, but now I know that it does happen.

And there are all sorts of things, like men, I didn't shave my habit I

bought hairpieces, wore hats, stopped appearing in the public eye

because I felt ashamed of myself, how ridiculous is that? I just did,

it is very, very distressing. And that is something that some people

don't understand, they don't understand the intensity of the

devastation when your hair starts to fall out. Just explain, Cheryl, from

your point of view, why it affects you so much, and I will ask Nell the

same question. You are in disbelief in the beginning because, as Nell

said, there is hair on your pillow and your shower tray pops up and you

pull it out and you see how much I do have lost. It is that he queue in

the face moment when you think, this is my hair, what is going on?! And

you start to do your hair and think, I haven't got as much hair as I used

to have. I was in absolute shock and, like Nadia, I have shed a lot

of tears, it is such a distressing thing to go through and I did

everything, I went and bought a wig, hairpieces, everything you possibly

could to try and address it, I'd backcombed my hair, I did

everything, and then I took the supplement, an internal supplement

that things, it might have been time, it might have been the

supplement, but it did seem to work. After time. Absolutely. Nell, you

have seen Nadia's video, it does help when people share things that,

would you agree? You talking about this now, sitting here with no hair,

how do you think you look now? I think I look like someone who is

comfortable with who I am. There is a tremendous amount of power in that

in life. One of the biggest revelations for me was literally

being that exposed, having that level of vulnerability, like the

whole world can see me without my hair, which is your crowning glory.

As a woman, much of your identity comes from, I was a blonde, that is

how you think of yourself. But once I got past it, and like Cheryl I

also went to trichologist, spent so much money on wigs, went to all

sorts of centres, did everything that was out there, but once I came

to the conclusion that this was the new reality, and that I just had to

somehow be comfortable with who I am, my mother actually was wonderful

because she was the one that said, this is not what you would have

chosen but you, bald, look more like yourself now and then you do in

wigs. People say well-meaning things, but if you don't be in it...

Exactly. It doesn't matter what other people say. I think I had an

interesting moment when I was about a month of the way through, because

I also went under the duvet and cried for about a month, I was

devastated, but then I had an interesting moment when I thought,

it is not what happens to you in life but what you do next that is

important, and there are so many different things, for me I was lucky

it was does a cosmetic thing, and it is hard to remember that is all it

is, a cosmetic issue, but I still have my health, I still was able to

go out and pursue my dreams, and so I poured myself into music, I was

very lucky that I have that outlet. It ended up being the best thing

that ever happened to me, I met my husband and had a daughter, and I

would not have done that if I had not gone through this ordeal. On

Facebook, this person, who does not wish to leave their land, says,

female hair loss is hell and you do not have any help from the health

service, you are assaulted by members of the public and your

confidence about the way and with that goes your mental health. Thank

you very much, Nell, I hope you have inspired some people, and you,

channel, Nell Bryden and Cheryl Baker, thank you.

Loads of messages about today's Election Blind Dates,

with TV historian Mary Beard and strip club owner

Here's a reminder of how they got on

I'm a feminist. I don't necessarily agree with front line troops being

female. But they want to be. Therefore the feminist in me says

they must do what they wish to do. I interpret feminism as saying quite

simply women can do what they want to do and not be told what to buy a

man. So if they want to take their clothes off? They can do. They have

to be smart. What they do is entirely up to them within the scope

of the law. Then you have gone on from this wonderful career start to

make money? Then they go into their own businesses. These people are

entrepreneurs themselves and they are going forward. They come from

all around Europe. This is one of the reasons I am a Remainer. So you

can get girls to take their clothes off! Peter, this is wonderful. Can I

just slightly parody you? I'm a Remainer because I want all those

nice Eastern European girls to come and take their clothes off in my

club? No. I like all those European people to come and earn money in my

club. The English are more than welcome to. I have no reason to

think that you are anything other than sincere. What I would challenge

is what I would say is a simplistic notion that feminism is about what

women want to do, because the whole point about women's choices is that

they are deeply determined by a whole range of sexist structures.

They haven't got a free choice. You say, provided you agree with it. No,

and not. You are quite a pretty lady. Get that on camera! Get it on

camera! Call me inconsistent! You have got a great smile, you're got

lovely sparkly eyes. I am what I am. I've had... You know, I've had a lot

of major run-ins with people who are really saying to me, look darling,

you're grey-haired, why don't you die it? Do something about your

teeth. Please make yourself look prettier for us if you are going to

invade our living rooms. I don't know that world. I don't know the

world of people who would say that to you. I don't know those kind of

people. Don't you think you underpin it? It is very different for a man

with grey hair than for a woman with grey hair. You look kind of

gloriously distinguished. Slightly hunky. I'm good-looking, Dante?! If

you are a woman with grey hair, you are constantly told that you should

do something about yourself. Now you might say that has nothing to do

with your business. But I would say that you have to look to what

underpins and justifies that particular way of judging women. And

one of the things that underpins it is your... The girls in your clubs.

Mary Beard and Peter Stringfellow. And tomorrow, Labour's Jess Phillips

and Conservative John Whittingdale go on an Election Blind Date

and talk ambition, heavy metal and - The world of work is changing

rapidly - and more of us than ever are shunning the traditional 9-5 day

job, looking for more flexibility Over the last ten years, there's

been a 50% increase in the numbers of women who've turned

to self-employment - many choosing to set up their own

small creative businesses. As part of a series of features on

the BBC looking at the bigger picture on the election, we're going

to speak to to women. We can talk now to some women

who turned their careers around, Lets talk to Sue Buckland

and Pippa Currey, who founded a jewellery company together

when their children started school. And Saundra O'Shea

started her own business after she was bankrupted

by illness. Welcome all of you. And here are

some of your amazing products. You started this together a decade ago.

Your children have gone to school. Tell me about the kind of

conversations you had? I previously worked in retail. I really wanted to

make the opportunity of when my youngest started school, of doing

something creative. I signed up for a silversmithing course, loved it.

Called people in the playground and said, you have to have a go. It was

a hobby. It was only when people started looking at things and said,

can you make me one of those? What we making? Personalised stuff? No.

That came later. In those days it was more about nice jewellery.

Personalising it came much later. There was a time when really

personalisation was something that took ages and wasn't really

mainstream. We developed that later on. Described the scene. Are you

literally in your kitchen, on your kitchen table, doing stuff? Yes,

that is how it started. Until your husband came home and decided enough

was enough and he wanted his kitchen table back. What a strange husband,

wanting the kitchen table! He built us a shed in the back garden. We

moved into that. And we worked from their four about three years. We

have our first member of staff join us in there. It did get quite small.

That is how it started. It went from there. That is when we joined the

online selling platform which turned our business around. Sandra, 2009

you had breast cancer. 2010 you were declared bankrupt. 2011 began a

series of operations. Now, tell us about your life now? Now my life is

a million times better than it was, and probably than it ever has been.

I'm enjoying life so much more than I ever did before, really. Even

though I had some quite difficult times, I look at those times now and