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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,
A breast surgeon accused of playing God and carrying out unnecessary
operations on patients is due to be sentenced at Nottingham Crown Court
this morning. Paterson exploited me
as a person for his own ends. There were hundreds of female
victims. We'll be hearing from some
of his other victims later. Also on the programme -
the latest in our election On the picket line with banners,
it's just not me, sorry! . And Wiltshire Police say they're
hunting a "dangerous" prisoner - believed to be armed with a razor
blade - who escaped from hospital Welcome to the programme,
we're live until 11am. Any minute now Labour leader
Jeremy Corbyn is due to give a speech in London focussing
on the NHS and education - And a little later in the programme
we'll talk about a rise in bullying for online gamers -
if you've got expereince do get in touch - use the hashtag
#VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged
at the standard network rate. Our top story today,
police say a "dangerous" prisoner, believed to be armed with a razor
blade, is on the run after escaping Michal Kisiel, who's 30,
had been taken to hospital in Salisbury with a head injury
before fleeing from guards Police are warning the public
not to approach him. Greg Dawson is here
with more details. What happened? Last night Michal
Kisiel was found in his cell at HMP Erlestoke prison. They decided he
needed hospital treatment so he was taken to a hospital in Salisbury.
Police say they believe he overpowered two prison guards and he
escaped with a razor blade. They are concerned he is dangerous and they
are warning the public to stay away from him. If they see him to call
999. We have a fuse still images, they say he's around five or six
with noticeable tattoos on his neck. He was wearing grey tracksuit
bottoms, a blue T-shirt and trainers. The most noticeable thing
is he had a head injury. Police say he is not local to the area, he
doesn't have any money or a phone, so there is a possibility he will be
spotted by members of the public. Why was he in prison? He was
sentenced last year after he held a mother and teenage daughter at
knife-point in their own home and threatened them. He was sentenced to
five years at HMP Erlestoke. Police are concerned he might encounter a
member of the public so if anyone does see him, dial 999 and don't
approach in. Thank you. Now the rest of the morning's news. A huge car
bomb in Coble has killed at least 80 people and killed 350. It happened
in the diplomatic quarter of the city -- Kabul. Our correspondent is
at the scene and sent this report. This is the scene of today's attack
here in Kabul the Afghan capital. Police have cordoned off this area.
Nobody is allowed to go further than this. But, as you can hear,
ambulances and police troops are arriving to the scene, some are
leaving the scene. They are taking some injured people. SIRENS. You can
see this vehicle has taken people who are hurt. It is a chaotic scene.
It was a massive, massive blast. People tell me they haven't seen
anything like this in many years. As you can see, all the windows and
some doors are shattered. Nobody has yet taken responsibility for the
attack. But in spite of several demands from the international
community, the insurgents and the Taliban have not said yes to stop
violence in the holy month of Ramadan.
A 30-year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder,
after the bodies of a woman and two children were discovered
The discovery was made by officers investigating reports of a fuel leak
Police say they're not looking for anyone else.
The NHS could have to raise an extra half a billion pounds a year,
if British pensioners living in other EU countries have to return
That's the warning from a health charity this morning.
The Nuffield Trust says the cost of treating them on home soil rather
than abroad could be almost a billion pounds, as
For many British pensioners it is the appeal of retirement
in the sunshine that attracts them to move to countries
But having the same health care rights as the locals
It's part of a reciprocal scheme which the UK pays around
That covers nearly 200,000 British expatriates living
But it's a deal potentially under threat when Brexit happens,
People, if they had to return from countries where they live
in the EU to here, retired people, could cost the NHS more money.
Beyond that we probably would need more hospital beds and more nurses
to give those people the standards of care they require.
Unless a deal is struck the trust says pensioners
If they will return to Britain for treatment it could cost
Last year, spending on the NHS in England was around ?102 billion.
The Nuffield trust estimates the NHS would need around 1600 more doctors,
nurses, and other workers to provide this care.
In response, the Conservative Party say protecting the rights of UK
nationals in the EU is one of their priorities
But the Liberal Democrats say this report is evidence that
Theresa May's extreme version of Brexit will be a disaster
for the NHS, putting huge pressure on hospitals.
Labour are yet to comment but have previously accused the Conservatives
For the first time, a British police force is to recruit people directly
to become detectives - without them having to first work
The Metropolitan Police hopes the scheme will fill some of the 600
detective vacancies in the force, and attract people with different
skills and backgrounds who might not otherwise want to join.
Abuse and bullying in the online gaming world is a growing problem
according to new research from anti-bullying
Of the 2,500 young gamers they surveyed, half had been
Here's our technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones.
For 16-year-old Bailey, video games have been a big part
of his life and were once an escape when he was getting
He enjoys pitting his skills against other players online,
but what he doesn't like is the abuse he sometimes
He first experienced bullying in games when he was ten and it's
If I'm playing a game and I score a goal, I've literally been
If you're being bullied at home, you come home and play your computer
and you are just getting more abuse thrown at you.
It's just going to put you off doing anything social.
The charity Ditch The Label surveyed 2,500 young gamers.
57% said they had been subjected to hate speech in an online game.
47% had received threats and 40% had had unwanted sexual contact.
What's changed over the last decade is that more and more games
are played online and that means young gamers are encountering
anonymous people from around the world and chatting with them.
That can of course, be very positive, but it also lays them open
for the kind of dangers we've seen elsewhere in the online world.
The anti-bullying charity worked with the online game
Habbo Hotel to research young gamers' experiences.
I think what's so shocking is the fact that it's
We had gamers telling us this was just part
Bailey says he has now learned not to let abuse get to him,
but he wants the games companies to do more to watch over
what happens online and to act to stop the bullies.
And we'll have more on that story later in this programme
when Victoria will speak to some young gamers who have
been at the receiving end of bullying online.
Olivia Newton-John has revealed she has breast cancer again,
25 years after recovering from her original diagnosis.
The Grease star has postponed her upcoming tour dates
after discovering that the disease has spread to her spine.
The singer and actress is undergoing treatment,
and expects to return to the stage later this year.
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30.
Thank you for your messages already about bullying while gaming. This
e-mail says "I've been an avid gamer for years, bullying and harassment
is ever present. Where young children are playing 18 rated games,
ultimately resulting in them being exposed to the behaviour when
competition causes friction. However, the simple solution is to
join a different game session where it may be friendly, or to block
horrible people". "My 16-year-old brother is autistic and is often
bullied online for his speech impediment". And this tweet, "The
gaming community should be a place of togetherness, people who bully
others online should be ashamed, it is deplorable". We are waiting for
Jeremy Corbyn to attend an event where he will refer to the party's
promises on the NHS and education. You can see he's being introduced,
it looks like he's being introduced. You'll be there any second so we
will bring you some of his speech live.
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -
use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged
Let's get some sport now with Holly Hamilton,
and it seems football's best-kept secret will finally
We are just waiting for this to be rubber-stamped by the board today.
As we were talking about yesterday it might not be a popular decision
with some fans. He's faced so much criticism over the past season, a
season that saw Arsenal fail to make the top four in 20 years. But
remember they did beat Chelsea on Saturday to win the FA Cup.
Now, here is Jeremy Corbyn. Our NHS, our children's schools is anything
but strong and stable. Over the last seven years they've starved public
services who rely on those resources because the Conservatives have
chosen at every turn tax giveaways for the few over public services for
the many. Patients are suffering ever longer waits and crowded wards.
Those who need care are left without it. A and maternity units are
threatened with closure. Children are crammed into overcrowded and
crumbling classrooms. Schools are sending home begging letters to the
parents. It has is to change. Together, we have the power to make
it change on the 8th of June. Labour will invest in our people's schools
and hospitals. We will cut school class sizes not cut schools. Take 1
million people of the National Health Service waiting lists, not
add millions more. Ensure that people get the care that they
deserve, and guarantee the dedicated staff a pay rise. Another five years
of the Conservatives would be disastrous for our public services.
If they carry on as they are now, then by 2022, there could be 5.5
million people on the NHS England waiting list. 1.5 million older
people with an met care needs. 650,000 people crammed into primary
classes of over 30. Families left almost ?450 worse off her child as
the result of the Tories' plan to scrap free school meals to 1.7
million of our children. That's the Conservative vision for Britain.
Don't take my word for it. Last week, the IFF is made clear the
Conservative manifesto promises no new money to the National Health
Service, and a real terms cut in pupil funding for school. That
vision doesn't have to become a reality. On the 8th of June, there's
only one party that will improve our public services for the many, not
the few. That is the Labour Party. We can do better than this. Labour
will build an NHS and social care system for the many. We'll invest 37
billion into our NHS, and take 1 million people off the waiting list
by 2022. We'll invest 8 billion in social care over the next five years
and lay the foundations for a National Care Service to integrate
health and social care. Labour will build a national education service
and invest in our children's futures. We will cap class sizes at
34 five, six and seven-year-olds. Labour will provide free school
meals to all primary school children. The Conservative Party
will Take That away and replace it with a thimble full of rice crispies
for each child. In the fifth Richards country of the world it's
not acceptable to leave people languishing in A departments on
trolleys in hospital corridors without care at all.
We believe that those who can afford it should pay just a little bit more
to fund care, dignity and opportunity for all. It now gives me
great pleasure to introduce our Health Secretary, John Ashworth, to
take you through the details of our concerns over the National Health
Service. We will leave Jeremy Corbyn there, leader of the Labour Party,
reiterating his party's promises ahead of the general election. Cut
class sizes, from school meals for primary school children, take a
million people of NHS waiting lists, and the paper that he will reverse
cuts in corporation tax, and tax what Labour says will only be the
top 5% of earners. More reaction to come later on. Next this morning,
part two of our new series, election Blind dates.
Every day this week, we'll be bringing you a blind date
over lunch between two people with very different views -
will they come to blows or walk away friends?
Up today are Georgia Toffolo, better known as "Toff"
from the Channel Four TV series Made in Chelsea, and anti-austerity
One lives a champagne lifestyle, the other was once on the breadline.
So this is how they got on - and there is the occasional strong
There's an election on and people are talking politics.
So, what happens when you send two people with opposing
I'm, like, oh my God, this has been so long.
You see people that are sat there that can go and work
and choose not to, they choose to go and sign on, it angers me.
When people stand at the dispatch box and tell me there's
more money in education, I look around and I
Because it's not in my children's school.
How would I describe myself politically?
I'm Jack Munro, and I'm a food writer
And when I went back to work I couldn't work
I ended up in quite a shoddy personal situation.
It's something that never leaves you.
Not eating for three days in a row so you can feed your child,
or sitting opposite him, hoping he leaves some of his dinner
We've been texting my friend about fox hunting.
He's, like, belting, belting, marvellous.
It's the number one issue facing Britain apart from inheritance tax.
I'm best known for being on a TV programme called Made In Chelsea.
I'm very lucky, I went to a nice school and I live
But I'm not, I don't know, I'm not stuck up.
But when people do think of me, and also my name,
my nickname is Toff, which is, like, a joke
So people have so many, you know, thoughts about me before
I'm a member of the Conservative Party,
and I have been for about eight years now.
I can't comprehend why anyone my age would support a Labour Party.
I'm trying to remember what I'm like on a date.
I'm, like, oh my God, it's been so long, literally.
Yeah, good, fine, quite nervous, but hungry.
First things first, right, so, on the political spectrum
So, centre, left-wing, right-wing, I'm about here.
OK, so we're equally divergent from the centre.
Yeah, not horribly right wing, but definitely not centre.
OK, fine, we've established where we are.
I'm awkwardly wriggling out of my coat for a second.
I truly believe we should remain in the European Union.
And I got to a point where the weight of the decision
literally felt like it was entirely mine, so I thought, you know what,
I'm just going to leave it to people who are either more qualified
to make the decision, or think they're more qualified,
to do it, and I'll just go with the will of
Oh my goodness, but I think we're so lucky to have
Referendums are, like, political engagement at their highest.
I really regret it, I voted to remain, I wish that I'd have...
Enough other people voted to leave that you've got what you wanted.
I think it's a really positive thing for our country that we're leaving.
Every time I go eat something, or make a point at the same time,
I can imagine that our views on social
I think what the Conservatives have done in the past seven years,
with scaling back welfare payments, is overwhelmingly positive.
And their support has been cut left, right, and centre.
I've got friends who are in bed 23 hours a day, cannot
look after themselves, and have to rely on two separate
care appointments where someone turns up for ten minutes
Imagine being locked in your bedroom for 22 hours a day.
I completely understand, but this is where I think
No, that's the result of Conservative cuts.
There's only a certain amount of welfare that they
I watch television programmes and you see people that are sat
there who, you know, are clever, you know,
I think with any system, every system is open to abuse.
Until I was actually in that situation myself,
physically freezing, starving, heating turned off,
not eating for three days in a row, trying to top myself and my bathroom
because I didn't want to carry on, basically.
Yet, but does not and you also that some of the funding that could have
gone to you when you were really in need was going to people
I think less than 1% of benefit payments are fraudulent.
I'd have brought it, but I didn't think...
Yeah, but you're not going to own up to being a benefits cheat, are you?
Why watch benefit cheats, if you think that's the right term
for them, carefully, and not people who are avoiding large amounts
of tax, scribbling their money in the Cayman Islands?
I agree, but I think all of it needs to be watched.
It's not just, like, a one issue kind of thing.
I think a flat rate of tax is a lot better.
And you work really hard for what you earn.
If you tip over a tax bracket, it's as though the government
Do you think we all just need a certain amount to live on,
I think in this country, right, if you work hard
You don't agree that in the UK right now if you work your EXPLETIVE off
No, I know loads of people who work their EXPLETIVE off,
cleaning shops, cleaning trains, driving trains.
I also know people who've got their jobs through family connections,
you basically swan around drinking in private members
It's not a stereotype, I know these people.
And you think, why should the health care assistant
wipe their EXPLETIVE on 11 grand a year, and the guy
who was basically born into the banking role the earning
who was basically born into the banking role be earning
I don't think hard work and income are equivalent in this country.
And if I see, you know, when I look at my accounts,
if I think, oh gosh, if I earn more next month
I'm going to have pay even more to the taxman, it angers me.
Do you ever turn jobs down just because you don't
Of course not, but it doesn't make me think, oh, God,
I think we do all need a certain amount to live on.
And if you learn more you should contribute.
You see, that's where our political ideologies are so different.
So, tell me, what are your views on fox hunting?
I think if somebody came up with it now as a sport, and went, I know,
we're going to get a pack of dogs to chase an animal through
the woods, they'd be, you know, they'd be tried and sent
These foxes need to be culled anyway.
Because they're out of control in the countryside.
Come on, people like fox hunting because it's a chance to put
all the gear on and get on your horse and have a good
It's a great, old, British tradition.
But there are a lot of great old British...
Slavery was a great, old British tradition.
I just think that it's disingenuous to suggest that people are partaking
in fox hunting to help the farmers out.
But do you agree that, you know, in the democracy that we live in,
Theresa May is not wrong for putting it to the House of Commons?
You know, it's a free vote, all the MPs can vote on it.
People who vote on it, and I'd like to think
So, I read somewhere this morning the Lib Dems,
They were, like, sorry, that was mean.
But, they were talking about legalising cannabis.
For me, you know, smoking cannabis is an addiction.
It is definitely true that it does cause mental problems if you smoke
So, for me, I think I'd find it deeply distressing
I don't know, because, cards on the table, I'm
Yeah, stone cold sober, I was drinking a bottle
But I could go into my local corner shop and buy a bottle of whiskey
and the guy behind the counter would joke about how much I drank,
I think I would have done myself a lot less damage if I could have
Than downing a bottle of whiskey to go to bed.
You know, drugs are drugs for a reason.
I know, I'm not saying I have a spliff in the evening,
but I think I would've done myself a lot less damage.
What's your views, then, you said on security,
surveillance, the fact that, apparently, the government can hack
into our mobiles at any time, how do you feel about that?
If it's helping to keep us safe, I think, go ahead.
I don't think I'd want Theresa May looking through my selfies.
I don't think I'd want Diane Abbott being head of MI5, but, you know,
Quick, let's find something else we agree on.
I was mortified, the first time I saw the picture of her,
have you seen her Russell and Bromley shoes...
I nearly wore them today, actually, but they didn't go with my trousers.
I love that, you and Theresa May have got the same shoes.
Oh, my God, it's worse than that, we've got about four or five
I know it's awful for me to say that, but, it's a shame
that he is the leader of the Labour Party.
I think he was a very good campaigner.
It's great for me, as a Tory, I'm loving it, they're
getting away with murder, but, you know, in the Commons,
the standing party that's in power must be scrutinised and questioned.
And I worry Jeremy Corbyn isn't doing that.
I think my vote for Labour is for good Labour MPs who deserve this.
Have you got any other political heroes, historically?
I know, I was looking at your badge, and I thought, rude,
It's such a shame that I wasn't around then.
See, I take the opposite view of that.
I skipped school on the day of her funeral so that I could go.
Yeah, I went, yeah, amazing, amazing lady.
I'm what's known as non-binary transgender.
I was born a woman, and I'm a female, but I went through a phase
of taking testosterone to basically make myself more masculine.
I'm in a really girly phase at the moment,
so it's really hard to, kind of, like, explain.
It really is day to day, how you feel?
It's been a bit of an odd one when, like, with people and dating
because they've started dating, like, a really feminine version
of me, and then I wander downstairs one morning with,
like, a chest binder on, and, like, a suit and a waistcoat and a tie.
Oh, by the way, sometimes I like to dress up as a man.
Yeah, yeah, it's fine, it's, like, nine quid, it's fine.
And you're not horribly left wing, and I'm not horribly right-wing.
But, where we at now, have I moved you along a bit?
I've shuffled a bit more to the centre.
And actually, I must say, I hate to admit it, maybe
you have a little bit, because you said a few
things and I thought, wow, I've never thought of that.
If we go out again, we might end up somewhere in the centre.
Go and see my friends, and they'll be, you've changed.
Yeah, they'll be, like, what happened to you?
I feel like I'm sending a personal hero of yours.
If you could just put your arms over each other.
I didn't know what to expect, because I was, like,
super, super nervous, and, yeah, I had a nice time.
You said a few things that I'm a kind of, hit home a bit,
because I hadn't given some of the things you brought
So, it's quite thought-provoking for me.
Because I think often you can be quite ignorant,
politically, I think, and I think I'm guilty of that.
I've got friends were quite conservative,
They are, like, my Nan and her friends, something like,
So, it was quite nice for me to meet a young person
When I think about, I don't know, kind of, benefits, I think,
bearing in mind what you said, that's really stuck in my head.
Do you think you're going to come out hunting
I'm not sure I'm ready to go out on horseback.
And then go right some awful piece for the Guardian about how terrible
I like that, though, I like that about you.
You'll never find me on one of those.
See, I was going to say, I would take you to volunteer
at a food bank, but now you said a march, I'm going to
paint you a placard, and we can go out writing.
No, over the picket line, with banners, that's just not me.
Do you think, would you go for lunch again?
It is, will have a Made In Chelsea, lefty spin off, or something?
And they are friends, extraordinary! This USA's "Election blind dates is
genius is great. A viewer says "She is showing herself up here". Another
viewers a survey agree with Jack Munro. Another viewer says I pay
around 30 K and still play a lot of tax and National Insurance. I don't
think hard work and income are equivalent in this country. Nurses
would agree. Your posh guest is so far aloof of reality, this is
embarrassing. Another viewer says, much more enlightening breakfast
conversation than yesterday with Nigel Farage. That posh girl needs a
dose of real life. And tomorrow, strip club owner
Peter Stringfellow has lunch with TV historian and vocal feminist
Mary Beard...here's a sneak Later in the week we'll bring
you dates between Labour MP Jess Phillips and Conservative MP
John Whittingdale and Gina Miller who led the Brexit court case
against the govt and Godfrey Bloom Still to come, Ian Paterson -
the breast surgeon who carried out multiple unnecessary operations -
is due to be sentenced today. We'll be talking to some
of his victims in a moment. And we'll be discussing the reported
rise in abuse and bullying in online A huge car bomb in the Afghan
capital Kabul has killed at least 80 The huge explosion happened
in the diplomatic quarter of the city near the German embassy
during morning rush hour. Last month, the Taliban announced
the start of a major spring offensive, saying their main focus
would be foreign forces. Police say a dangerous prisoner
believed to be armed with a razor blade is on the run after escaping
offices in Wiltshire. Michal Kisiel, 30, had been taken to hospital in
Salisbury with a head injury before overpowering prison guards. Police
are warning the public not to approach him.
A 30-year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder,
after the bodies of a woman and two children were discovered
The discovery was made by officers investigating reports of a fuel leak
Police say they're not looking for anyone else.
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:00.
We now know he is staying and the decision has been getting a mixed
response. We'll be getting reaction from Arsenal fans ahead of an
official announcement confirming at least two more years of Arsene
Wenger. And how's this for a welcome? The British and Irish Lions
have arrived in Auckland for their tour of New Zealand, receiving a
traditional Maori welcome. Their first four matches this Saturday.
And, he needs their help, Jack Nicklaus has been speaking out about
Tiger Woods after the former world number one was arrested on a charge
of driving under the influence on Monday. And it was a good start Andy
Murray at the French Open yesterday, he faces world number 50 in the
second round at Roland Garros tomorrow. Thank you for joining us.
A breast surgeon - accused of playing God and carrying
out unnecessary operations on patients - is due to be sentenced
at Nottingham Crown Court today, for intentionally wounding nine
Lawyers say it's possible that hundreds of Ian Paterson's patients
could have undergone surgery for no medical reason.
Some victims are calling for him to be given the maximum punishment -
Over a hundred more women have come forward since April to say he may
have exaggerated or invented cancer risks in them.
We can talk now to three of those women affected,
Bethan Waite and Lynn Rollinson, who're outside the Crown Court
in Nottingham, waiting for that sentencing,
Sarah Jane Downing is in Birmingham this morning, all three women
And in the studio is solicitor, Tom Jones, from Thompson's,
the firm who represent the majority of Paterson's victims.
Jane, Paterson has been found guilty of 17 counts of wounding with
intent. What would be an appropriate sentence for this man? Victoria,
it's so difficult. I don't know how we could ever really measure what he
did to so many people. And it quite that to a sentence. I think it has
to be the maximum but I'm not even sure if that's enough, to be honest.
He performed an unnecessary lumpectomy or new, wider you think
he did that? I don't know. He knew how terrified I was of the idea of
surgery, he knew how I absolutely didn't want to have an operation,
and then he spent a lot of time convincing me and terrifying so
that, well, I agreed, against my better judgment. He said that if I
left it much longer the lump was growing really rapidly. It would be
a huge problem. And it would be so much worse to fix and reconstruct if
it was about to get much bigger. So, have it done quickly and have a
smaller operation, all white and have something much worse. So I felt
the only option was to go for the smaller one. Of course. How
difficult has it been to try and rationalise the fact you had been
put through surgery for no reason? I can't rationalise it. It's too much
to be able to process. I've been distracting myself by thinking about
the campaign and starting the support group, and trying to do
something adjacent, rather than actually address it because I don't
know how to address it. Tom James, you represent many of his victims.
What do you want to see, what do they want to see when it comes to
sentencing today? I think in terms of sentencing it's part of the
closure process for those who have had their lives devastated by this
man. It's important he is punished in a way that is appropriately
dramatic. It isn't a light sentence, that's absolutely right, because
hundreds of women and men have been affected by his absolute callousness
against them. It is quite unfathomable what he did. What's
your view about why he did it? It's difficult to gauge. I wonder whether
it was money, he was being paid for these operations privately. Whether
it was him being in charge, he was apparently charming but bullying. I
think there's a whole host of factors, but whatever it was, he got
away with it for a very long period of time. Your firm is launching a
campaign called patients before profits, because you claim through
this case there is a divide between how NHS patients are treated and
private patients are treated. There is a very clear divide. The NHS in
these cases, they basically put their hands up, said there was a
mistake and suspended him as soon as there were suspicions. They have
paid compensation where it is appropriate and those cases are now
closed. The private health provider, Spire, simply hasn't done that. We
are now in a situation where they say that they rented him a room and
have no responsibility and they are not going to pay. We have a
situation in which the -- they advertised as being available, they
promoted him, the after-care was carried out on those premises and
yet they are saying they will not pay out for those people butchered
by him. What levels of compensation had been paid out by the NHS? It
varies depending on how the women were dealt with. It may be a futile
and, it can be potentially tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.
There are women who have died as a result of his failures. The scandal
is huge. The issue has to be that the private health care sector has
to have the same responsibilities and deal with patients in the same
way as the NHS. It is true to say that you've had another 100 patients
come forward since his trial began in April. That's right. A lot of
people wouldn't necessarily have realised, you are treated by a
doctor, you wouldn't necessarily have thought it was him. Then you
see his face and you think, he did me. That's why we have people coming
forward even today as a result of this. Sarah Jane, I've spoken to a
number of patients previously who said they would like to see a public
enquiry into how this happened, how it was allowed to go on for so long
and affect so many women and men. Would you like to see that?
Absolutely. I think it really is necessary to know just exactly who
did what and why they turned a blind eye for so long. I think people were
probably colluding because they were making a lot of profit. But profit
was going to Spire health care. We want to know exactly what was done
and how and why. We know some people's bills were padded with
things they didn't have a have. There is a lot there to be looked
at, I think. How do you feel today as you awake this sentence? Very,
very emotionally on edge, very stressed. It's so difficult to know
what's going to happen. I'm deeply worried that it won't be anywhere
near enough. I deeply worried everyone will be really upset. It's
difficult today. I understand. Thank you for talking to us. Thank you
very much, Sarah Jane Downing and Tom Jones from Thompsons. That
sentencing is at Nottingham Crown Court today and we will bring it to
you and BBC News as soon as it happens.
Caroline Lucas is next to go for a drive with me in my white van. Hear
her talk about drugs, tears and bath before 10:30am. I suppose the Green
Party and the broader Green movement, I think we haven't done
nearly as well as we needed to do. That is that about 10:15am. Every
Wednesday we are looking at how the election is playing out on twitter.
Every Wednesday up until the election, we're looking at how
it's playing out on Twitter, with data crunchers from think tank,
Demos, who've been analysing millions of tweets since
Let's talk now to our two chaps from Demos - Josh Smith -
he's the techy one - and Carl Miller - he'll look
beneath the data to tell us what it all means.
We have been interested in opening up the Democratic Abeid, letting
people contact politicians who want to represent them. Then we found
there is 1400 candidates we have been following on twitter since the
campaign started. From conservatives, labour, Lib Dems,
Ukip and the SNP. We have been looking at the way they have been
tweeting and engaging people, but this potential for people to contact
candidates and say I am not sure about this policy, I thought you
were really good. To actually talk to people it only works if it is a
two-way street. What we are looking at is the candidates from those
parties who have been the best at replying to people on the platform,
who have got back to people's concerns, and we have a top five of
the top candidate from each party who was replying the most. Let's
have a look. So Richard Gadsden is the top reply,
the number one on the list. That's right, Richard Gadsden, the most
prolific reply of all, a Liberal Democrat candidate in Manchester. It
was that perhaps one of the reasons he replies so much is that he uses
Twitter to talk to his mates. He is outspoken isn't he? Very. We looked
at his tweets, if we have a second general election this year, I
getting I can stand, will have some sort of a breakdown. This was 11
hours ago, this is a tired candidate, is it not? I need a
break. I have no clue about anything any more. Exactly, this is Twitter
showing as the man behind the candidate, someone who has ran
ragged on the campaign trail, is exhausted, nervous, fighting for
history of being a politician. It is really showing us something you just
wouldn't see in the airbrushed PR releases of the past. And it has
definitely not gone through Lib Dem HQ Kamui thing. These are the best
at replying on Twitter. Dr Teck Khong from Ukip is interesting. He
is a recent defector from the Conservatives. You can see him
laying into his former party. What is interesting about the way he
engages with people, the replies here sending on twitter, is very
much toeing the party line. He sees it as a platform to get the hashtags
wants to get out there, to use the official party hashtags, and a lot
of his replies are just people saying thank you for the follow,
please vote for me. So much more formal. Much less personal. Carl,
Will Quince is the top Tory twitter. He does get into arguments on big
issues. Will Quince, our top Tory reply. But what really Bill -- Will
Quince has been engaging in the rough-and-tumble world of digital
politics, a world that is in the sense of poorer and more immediate.
It only takes a second to send a tweet. Candidates perhaps tired like
Richard Gadsden can also sometimes lose their temper and get stuck into
the issues and debates with candidates and members of the
public, many of whom disagree with them from all over the country.
Next, Jess Phillips from Labour, tell us about her. We have talked a
bit about disagreements, one of the interesting things about social
media com you get trolled. Especially if you are a public
figure. People occasionally lay into you. Jess Phillips is interesting
because she responds to those attacks, she tells people to get
back under your rock, she is very verbose. We looked at the tweets she
was sending that aren't retweets, and seven Dibusz under the tweets
she sent herself are actually replies to people. We will see some
hopefully. What does this tell us about her? That she is not afraid on
social media to show us a side of what her personality is. Looking
through her Twitter feed get an idea of what she might be like as a
person and that is another really interesting thing that people
haven't necessarily been able to do. Let's have a look. Hi Jess, are you
able to do anything to project this? OK, you can see her personality
coming through, clearly they have not been through Labour HQ. Full VSM
PE, John Nicolson is the most engaged. He is interesting because
he is the link between social and mainstream media. He often replies
to shows that cover politics. He is a candidate chipping in. This is a
tweet from your show itself on Monday.
This is representing how social and mainstream media is mixing in
strange and sometimes mysterious ways to both come together to
produce the kind of public debate we are having in the country. So which
candidates exist in a social media desert? We looked at people who are
tweeting a lot but never replying, never using this ability to directly
reach out to people and to respond to things. We had our top guns,
these are the five worst candidates. So I think the big difference
between the top and bottom five is the top five early understand
something about five don't, that social media is a new kind of two
-ish treat, a place to listen and a place to talk, as well as a place to
broadcast. That is probably a good thing. We did research back in 2015
in the height of the last election in the UK. We did a poll of social
media users and we found that over 70% of them thought the Democratic
debate was being in some way improved by what was happening on
social media, they could understand the candidates on the issues and
then you better what the party stood for. About half of social media
expected and wanted their candidates to be on social media. Replying to
candidates and engaging with constituents. That is the big
question between the bottom five. Why does it matter if they are all
not putting all our war on replying? As Carl said, they are potentially
missing an opportunity to engage with people straight into the own
timelines to respond to issues being raised. It is about whether politics
is a conversation or a pin board. Is it about politician shouting out and
trying to frame issues as they want or is this a channel that can be
used to wield power better too, for politicians to be a bit too listen
more easily and readily to people all over the UK and respond to the
issues and concerns we have got? That is the heart of what we are
trying to talk about today. You have talked about the abuse some
politicians get. A Jeremy Corbyn tweet last night didn't go down too
well with plenty of Conservatives. Yes, the reaction to this tweet
perhaps explains why people are reticent to put themselves out there
on social media, especially if you are in a position like Jeremy
Corbyn. Here we have a tweet. The response to this has been really
interesting, in that people have replied saying, surely we don't need
Jeremy Corbyn in order to further these people's, to unlock these
people's talents? So the potential for putting that message out there
and it being just laid upon and kind of attack is always there. It is
quite a dangerous potentially environment for especially
politicians. OK, we are going to show James cleverly's response and
some other responses. James cleverly is a Conservative candidate and what
he has done is effectively taken photographs of many other black
Asian and minority ethnic candidates and said for example here a
Conservative MP and a conservative assembly member waiting for our
potential to be unlocked by Jeremy Corbyn. All of these are obviously
sarcastic. Shaun Bailey, another candidate potentially. Said Kemal,
leader of the Conservatives reformist group. And so it goes on.
Gentlemen, thank you very much. You are
Jeremy Corbyn has been claiming the future of the NHS and England's
schools are at stake in this election. Let's talk to Norman
Smith. Mr Corbyn actually looking pretty relaxed this morning as he
was setting up what he claims are the risks patients and the elderly
will face from another five years of Conservative government. They have
produced this dossier here which they think details the fact that
something like 1.5 million people will be waiting for care if the
Tories win, and there will be 1.8 million people more waiting for
hospital treatments, and something like 650,000 schoolchildren in
classes over 30 or so. Labour by contrast, he says, would plough 37
billion into the NHS, 8 billion into social care, and really you sense it
is trying to crank this election back on the Mr Corbyn's favoured
territory, which of course is public services. Labour will invest in our
people, schools and hospitals. We will cut school class sizes, not
schools. Take a million people off the National Health Service waiting
list, not add millions more. Ensure that people get the care they
deserve, and guarantee the dedicated staff a pay rise. Another five years
of the Conservatives would be disastrous for our public services.
If they carry on, as they are now, then by 2022 there could be 5.5
million people on the NHS England waiting lists. 1.5 million older
people with unmet care needs. 650,000 people crammed into primary
school classes of over 30. Families left almost ?450 worse off per child
as a result of the Tories's plan to scrap free school meals to 1.7
million of our children. One of the tricks in an election is to talk
about what you want to talk about but not necessarily what the media
want you to talk about. I guess a lot of us this morning wanted to
press Mr Corbyn about that leak of the discussion paper, which was put
for Mr Corbyn, setting out some proposals on immigration, and one of
them was this idea of allowing unskilled workers in from outside
the EU. Now that is currently blocked, the so-called Tier three
access is blocked, but this is cash and paper was apparently put before
Mr Corbyn. Team Corbyn say it is not part of their policy but they
wouldn't really engage with what were their policies this afternoon.
In contrast, Theresa May, of course, when she was pressed about this
leaked document was more than happy to talk about it. Just listen. From
day one as Prime Minister, I'd been clear that I want to ensure we are
supporting and looking after British people, and if we look at people who
are living in the European Union, I'm clear that I want to see an
agreement where their rights are protected. Of course it's reciprocal
for EU citizens living here in the UK. That's why it's so important. We
haven't just given those rights to EU citizens here in the UK, we are
looking after UK citizens living in the European Union. I want to see
reciprocal arrangements so we can look after them. As British Prime
Minister I have a care for British people living in the EU. It is a
funny thing, we are now immigration is a massive issue but trying to get
detailed answers from either of the main parties about what they will
draft a freedom of movement has ended is proving a hopeless cause.
But I want to be seen to spell out the details, even though it is such
a huge election issue. Now the latest weather. I know you
are fascinated by my domestic heating arrangements, I am in limbo
at the moment, what's going on? Keep your heating off just now because
temperatures are rising. These are the current temperatures we have.
Look at that already, in London it is 17. Temperatures set to rise over
the next few days and we will see a fair bit of sunshine. This Weather
Watchers picture is from King frankly. -- Kings Langley. The
forecast for today is a bit of a mixture. Mostly dry with one or two
showers and some sunny spells. This morning we have just that, a real
variety of weather. In the south we've got this cloud and also some
sea fog in the English Channel and the Irish Sea. We've got the cloud
melting away across Northern Ireland and Scotland. A fair bit of sunshine
here as we go through the course of the day. If you are out of the
breeze it will feel quite pleasant. We'll see some brighter breaks in
the cloud and we will see showers from mid Wales down towards South
Kent. Some of that sea fog that is in the Irish Sea may lap onshore in
the far south-west of Scotland. It will not make a lots of inland
penetration. Still some cloud around with the odd shower. Sunny spells
across south-west England. Temperatures are beginning to climb
into the high teens. As we drift through Gloucestershire, if you
showers in the Midlands towards Kent. It will be cloudy at times but
will break and we will see some sunny spells or at worst, some
sunshine. Highs of 23-25. Somewhere like Glasgow could hit 19-20.
Through this evening and overnight will see cloud across Scotland,
northern England, Northern Ireland. It won't be such a chilly start to
the day. Fog in the English Channel moving in sure. Fog patches forming.
Then another weather front coming in from the West. That will drift
slowly south east accompanied by gusty winds. The heaviest rain will
be on the hills. At lower levels it's more likely to be drizzly in
nature but the cloud will build ahead of it. For England and Wales
we are at sunny skies and dry conditions. Temperatures tomorrow
could hit 26 in the south-east but we have fresher conditions coming
into the Northwest. Ahead of it quite a muggy feel and with so much
energy in the atmosphere we could see one or two thunderstorms
developing. Especially in the south-east and East Anglia. Behind
that, back to bright spells, sunshine and showers.
Hello, it's 10:00am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.
Ian Paterson - the breast surgeon who carried out multiple
unnecessary operations - will be sentenced later today.
He knew how terrified I was of the idea of surgery. He knew how I
absolutely didn't want to have an operation. Then he spent a lot of
time convincing me and terrifying me, so that I agreed, against my
better judgment. A new report finds that half of all online gamers are
believed. -- bullied. Well be talking to a victim
of online gaming abuse in a moment. We'll hear from Caroline
Lucas just after 10:30. What do you think sets you apart
from other middle-class, privately educated MPs in their 50s? LAUGHTER
That's a very good question! We will hear from Caroline Lucas at around
10:15am. Good morning. Now the latest news with Joanna.
A huge car bomb in the Afghan capital Kabul has killed at least 80
The huge explosion happened in the diplomatic quarter
of the city near the French embassy during morning rush hour.
It's unclear who carried out the attack.
In a statement, the Taliban denied involvement.
People tell me they haven't seen anything like this in many years.
As you can see, all the windows and some doors are shattered.
Nobody has yet taken responsibility for the attack.
But in spite of several demands from the international community,
the insurgents and the Taliban have not said "yes" to stop violence
Police say a "dangerous" prisoner, believed to be armed with a razor
blade, is on the run after escaping officers in Wiltshire.
Michael Kisiel, who's 30, had been taken to hospital
in Salisbury with a head injury before overpowering prison
Police are warning the public not to approach him.
Tens of thousands of expat pensioners may return to the UK
to use the NHS after Brexit - unless a deal can be done to let
them keep receiving care abroad, a health charity has warned.
The Nuffield Trust estimates the cost of treating them on home
soil, rather than abroad - could double to ?1 billion pounds.
At the moment, the UK gives around 500 million a year to EU
countries that care for Brits who have retired overseas.
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30.
We will be talking about bullying and a report that suggests more than
half of online gamers are bullied. It's unbelievable.
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -
use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged
Good morning. We are still waiting for this to be rubber-stamped by the
board today. We heard yesterday that Arsene Wenger will be staying put as
manager of Arsenal for another two years. He's received a lot of
criticism throughout the season, so what do fans make of the decision?
Let's speak to an Arsenal supporter and vlogger. What was your initial
reaction when you heard yesterday? Not a surprise. I think it's been
the worst kept secret that he was going to sign a new deal. Not a
surprise, just wondering to myself why it's taken so long and has been
so drawn out, for them to announce it now. Not a surprise. We had seen
the banners, we've heard all the criticism. I think even Arsene
Wenger himself had been quite surprised by how much criticism it's
received -- he has received throughout the season. Did he
deserve it? INAUDIBLE The performances this season in the
Premier League and in the Champions League were, to be quite frank, very
poor. In the Premier League we lost nine games, we finished way off
Chelsea, and out of the top four, didn't make the Champions League. In
the Champions League itself, we suffered two humiliating defeats to
Bayern Munich 5-1. The team we were told we were moving to the Emirates
Stadium to become the new Bayern Munich. We realised how far away and
how far off we were. I think, compounded on that, the fact there
was no announcement, nothing was said, every time the club was asked
about what was happening, so I think people who wanted him out so it has
an opportunity to really do a lot of protests and lots of banners, and
trying to put as much pressure on as possible to try and get him to
leave. I think the indecisiveness and performances have all led to the
criticisms and have made it worse. Those fans aren't going anywhere,
there is still a level of anger, they aren't going to change their
minds, are they? Results change minds. Even at the weekend, the
victory over Chelsea in the FA Cup, I wouldn't say it's changed people's
minds. But it makes people feel a bit better about the club. There
were fans who were very pleased with the performance, not just the fact
we beat Chelsea but the manner of how we did it. If the season gets
underway and we are putting in good performances and playing good
football, you know, the fans will warm to that. However, the problem
is is that those fans won't go away. If on the other hand you have three
bad performances and bad losses, the banners and things like that might
come back out again. But, for me, is the big fear for next season. Thank
you. The British and Irish Lions squad have arrived in New Zealand
for their tour which takes in three Test matches. The first matches this
Saturday. How is this for a welcome? The Lions were treated to a
traditional Maori welcome at Auckland airport. The squad
responded by singing a Welsh hymn. Apparently they were practising for
weeks! That's all the sport for now, the latest in the next half an hour.
Thank you for your many, many comments about election on blind
dates. Broadly speaking most of you absolutely love it. "That Was so
good, we have totally different political views and we have been
friends for over 20 years". "Big Up for showing people can calmly and
politely debate with the other side". "Exceptional Blind dates
today, a stroke of genius". "This Is genius, opposing views being shown
respectfully and light-heartedly". "I Quite enjoyed this edition of
election blind dates, that is how to do civil political discussion". "
Brave to do the programme and you fought the blue corner well". "This
Is winding me up, I don't need this so early in the morning! " "It Shows
we have more in common than divides us, please keep this going after the
election!" OK, we'll try! Almost three quarters of young
people say they've been trolled while playing an online game and one
in two say they've either been bullied, sent hate messages
or threats by other online gamers. The figures have been described
as "shocking" by anti bullying charity Ditch The Label,
here's our reporter Chi Chi Izhundu. Young people are being bullied
online and it is in a place where they should be having fun
and engaging in different conversations with people
from all around the world. To explain exactly how
and what it is, let's leave Broadcasting House
for just a minute. Here we are on the edge
of our virtual city. It is places like this that exist
on online video games. In gaming, other users
can access this space, but it is also the place
where bullying and abuse can happen. This abuse is coming from another
gamer, and they can be absolutely Because they are hiding behind
the screen, they can say Luckily, here in my virtual world,
I can get rid of them. But for a lot of people,
that is just not possible. A new report shows the scale
of bullying young people face when it comes to online gaming
and how widespread it is. The charity Ditch The Label spoke
to 2,500 people aged between 12 and 26 and found they were regularly
subjected to hate The report also found the problem
is exacerbated because a lot of the virtual games are based
on high levels of They also found that seven out
of ten young people say online-gaming bullying is an issue
that needs to be taken more seriously, and they want
more human moderators. The charity's aim is to bring
the gaming community together to stop malicious trolling
and bullying online. Let's talk to Daniel Moran,
who's 16 and received homophobic Zane Morris, a gamer who has
received racial abuse. Liam Hackett, CEO of charity Ditch
the Label who published this report. Also Aofie Wilson, a gaming
journalist for Eurogamer. Thank you for coming on the
programme. Tell us about the kind of abuse you've received. I'm 23 now
but this happened when I was 15, 16, that age range. I was playing online
competitively. Great environment to meet new people, have conversations.
But in one particular case I started to receive racial slurs. I had my
social media in my description. They didn't really bother me as such.
Then I started to receive torrents of e-mail saying that my account had
been reported for spam and for abuse and eventually my account got close
down and there was nothing I could do about it. Now, as someone who has
been a game of all my life, this obviously annoyed me but I had other
options, I could go out and play with my band, be with friends, there
were so many other opportunities. I worry for my nieces and nephews now,
the roles have switched, they are now whether you're watching the
cultural differences, gaming has exploded. Nowadays there is a lot
more casual gamers, people who wouldn't normally get involved and
now they are. I just really hope that the internet can stay safe with
them as well because they are the most impressionable, the people that
take the swear words and the racial slurs they hear on their headsets
and go forth and said. As adults we are less at risk but it is a worry.
Leon, as Zane says, it has exploded, so in that sense it is a microcosm
representative society. The more some people get involved, the more
abuse there will be, do we have to accept it? No. We see bullying as a
societal behaviour, it is a behaviour. We know that they usually
are experiencing stressful and traumatic experiences. In this
research we found that one in five had admitted to bullying somebody in
the game, and we had a lot of kids telling us that if they were being
bullying Orton pollute themselves or they were going something -- they
were being bullied themselves. We absolutely should not accept this.
This is a cultural thing. Gamers were telling us that this is normal
behaviour, they would go into games at expect to be treated this way.
Look at uniting this way. The unfortunate thing of this research
is that it is completely unsurprising to be. Yes, a lot of
people will look at this and say it is not bullying, it is just the way
it is. I think it is a cultural issue in gaming. Unfortunately it is
a very vocal minority, the majority of experience in my gaming has been
overwhelmingly positive but there is more we can do to make sure young
people especially aren't being desensitised to this kind of
language. It has very real impacts, kids were telling us it was making
them feel depressed, giving them anxiety, and we never people who are
being bullied off-line are more likely to play games to escape it,
and then if they are being abused on that as well it amplifies the
impact. Can I ask you what you think of this research from Liam's charity
that people who are doing the bullying online are often not always
being bullied themselves, do you buy that? I do. I haven't necessarily
thought about it with such depth as I am now, but me personally, I grew
up with my mum working long hours. For myself, gaming as an escape, not
escaping bullying but it was a way I could entertain myself and to myself
engaged for those hours. I also know I had friends who went through
similar things but they were not being bullied. We have grown out of
it. But without doubt sometimes you don't have anywhere else to put it.
These people don't have anywhere else to go out. There is definitely
a worry online. From my experience, a fairly visible person within the
gaming industry and my pocket of the gaming industry, so I find that the
challenging and engaging these people often you will find that they
don't really think that far ahead. And if they see their words are
having an impact, actually they will think more about it. What abuse have
you experienced doing your job? Explain your job. Iamb eight games
journalist but I am also quite visible on YouTube and I write a lot
of articles about gaming, hopefully celebrating games for the most part.
But people think that gamers look a certain way, I'm very aware I don't
fit that mould. As a woman, sometimes people think that you
don't quite belong there. So you get some misogynistic abuse but I
personally find it quite easy to let that slide. But I am very aware that
I want to make it clear to young women that they don't have to pick
it up with that. My best tools for dealing with trawls is humour for
one, but also disinterest will completely disarmed them as well. So
don't respond? Don't respond, or if they know they are getting the year
that is a win in their book. If I am ever playing over and watch and I
say, "No one cares, broken". That will shut them up. Here is a tweet,
anyone who has played Fifa online has been abused by some uppity
American five-year road. With all due respect, it is not news. That
someone who thinks it happening. This one says I am amused by the
lack of comments from the gaming companies who irresponsibly design
systems to allow online communication to take place during
gaming with zero monitoring. We are getting better at that actually. I
mentioned Over watch, an online game I play a lot, and Blizzard have done
a lot to tackle negative communities and environment springing up. That
is one way to curb IM better venue, the competitiveness that comes out,
but also they added a tool not long back that turned a derogatory
message into something completely different. Which people can find
ways around that but it means they are taking a stance on that
language. It is such an interesting discussion because of course the
games titles are a huge stakeholder in this and they have a jerky of
care to their users but what we are looking at is how users are -- a
duty of care. But if you say children who play 18 rated games, it
is their parents's responsibility on whether there child can handle
certain types of content and bullying. And that most online games
are competitive in nature. When that is the environment, there will be
trash talk. On that topic, there has technically been a huge shift in
gaming culture towards competitive gaming. There was a lot more focus
on cooperative gameplay, which I have a lot of memories playing with
my brother. The whole split screen side of thing is gone, everyone
against each other. Now you have almost a football type mob behaviour
where you have the key stars saying swear words. Tribal behaviour, in a
way. This e-mail from Brian says Victoria, I have a 13-year-old son,
an online gamer, a Facebook user, I have a feeling he is experiencing
some kind of bullying and peer pressure but he puts on a front that
everything is OK. I wish he would talk about it and not get angry or
keep it in. I dislike this new technology generation, it is
changing society. I always say it is so important for parents and
guardians to have fully open and honest relations with their
children. But this online life is very real. It is important to talk
about are just as you would off-line, talk about it around the
dinner table, ask what they are doing online, what they enjoy about
the internet but also we have the largest online support hub for
anyone experiencing bullying. They can speak to one of our mentors
anonymously and get advice and support. That is a resource for
anyone impacted by these issues. There are games getting better at
providing resources. Life is strange, when it dealt with stories
of suicide and bullying, at the end of the game it actually provided
websites the kids to check out. So I think games are aware now of the
reach they have, and also the difficulty is that a lot of their
players have. Though Di Stefano list rent in the message of telling kids
that if they are being bullied it is because the person they are
bullying, their dad could be beating up their mum, then and could have
passed away come you don't know what is going on in that young person's
life. The result is a root cause. I am not sure there is always a root
cause. No we have the data that says it is. OK. Some of it is so casual
though, that they don't even seem to know they are doing it. These nice
middle-class kids with nothing to complain about being vile online. It
is the anonymity that allows people to say anything they like. You get
some taunts meant in jest. I am not saying people who are doing that I
going through something difficult by people who are obsessively
perpetrating these behaviours, to the extent where it is unhealthy,
there is a lazy root cause. Thank you very much for a really
interesting discussion, let's hope it -- there was always a root cause.
Wiltshire Police say they are looking for a dangerous prisoner
believed to be armed with a razor blades. Let's talk to our
correspondent, Andy Moore. The latest information is that the
police perhaps think this was preplanned? We have just had an
updated press release from the police, and they are saying this may
have been preplanned, and he may have had assistance. So the more we
hear about this, the more serious the case becomes. We heard last
night he had escaped from hospital about 7pm last night. At the time,
we were told that he had given his guards the slip. Now we have heard
in fact that he overpowered his guards. Two guards was it? I am not
sure, but he overpowered his guards and made his escape. He was taken to
hospital for a head wound sustained somehow or other in his cell. So
there is now the possibility that the head wound was deliberately
inflicted in some way so he could get the hospital, and then perhaps
with some sort of assistance escape. We are now hearing more about his
background. The police and the Ministry of Justice won't comment at
all on his background. But in fact he was jailed for five years last
year in Luton for a terrible attack on a mother and her daughter. He
actually tied up both victims for eight hours, and he threatened to
kill the mother, holding a large knife to her throat. And we now know
that he has a blade of some sort with him as he is on the loose, and
police say he is dangerous, and there is a very large operation
underway to find him. We have been showing images of him but give us
the description and what the advice to members of the public is if they
think they spot. He is white, five tall with blonde hair, originally
from Poland. Of medium build with very distinctive tattoos on his
neck. He was wearing grey tracksuit items and the black T-shirt with
blue trainers. He didn't have any idea on him or any money, but if he
has assistance of course, that may not be such a big problem. The
advice from the police is not to approach, just call immediately.
Thank you very much. Next to Kabul, let's get the latest on that car
bomb that has exploded in the diplomatic quarter, killing at least
80 people and wounding 300 others. Our correspondence from the BBC
Afghan service, tell us what you know at this stage. The latest is
that we now no that about 80 people have been killed and 350 are
injured. Four of our staff have also had minor injuries, and
unfortunately we lost one of our support staff, who was a driver. Oh
my goodness, I didn't realise that, as well. What do we know about who
might be behind this car bomb? The Afghan president, he has been asking
that in the month of Ramadan there should not be explosions, let's stop
violence but nobody responded to that, insurgent group. This
particular attack will be difficult for the insurgents to take
responsibility because of the level of civilian casualties. This is
normally the case when civilian casualties are high. Insurgent
groups don't take responsibility for it. If it is the security forces
casualties are high, then the response is instant. Apart from
spreading terror, what is it that the insurgents want, ultimately? At
the end of 2017, they announce that this year at least, the Taliban at
least, announced they will be targeting foreign troops and
pressurising the Afghan government. So I guess it is that operation,
that think they are carrying on. They want foreign soldiers out of
the country? That's right, and we see evidence from that at the start
of this year, we have had one incident like this almost every
month. Thank you very much, thank you. It is half past ten, let's
bring you the latest news. A huge car bomb in Kabul has
happened in the diplomatic quarter of the city near the French Embassy
in morning rush-hour. It's unclear who carried out the attack. In a
statement, the Taliban in tick-macro denied involvement. Police say a
prisoner on the run may have had assistance in a preplanned escape.
Michal Kiesel had been taken to hospital before overpowering prison
guards yesterday evening. Police are warning the public not to approach.
Tens of thousands of pensioners in the EU may return to the UK to use
the NHS after Brexit, unless a deal can be done to let keep receiving
care abroad. The Nuffield Trust estimates the cost of treating them
on home soil could double to ?1 billion. At the moment the UK gives
around ?500 million a year to EU countries that care for British
pensioners. A 30-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder
after the bodies of a woman and two children were discovered in a flat
in Liverpool. The discovery was made by officers investigating reports of
a fuel leak in Toxteth. Police say they aren't looking for anyone else.
That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom
Good morning. We now know he's staying put, a decision that has
divided opinion among Arsenal fans. We are expecting an official
announcement from the club in the next half an hour confirming that
Arsene Wenger will remain at Arsenal for another two years. How's this
for a welcome? The British and Irish Lions have arrived in Auckland,
receiving a traditional Maori welcome. They will play three tests
against the all Blacks, their first four matches on Saturday. He needs
our help, Jack Nicklaus has spoken out about his friend Tiger Woods
after the former world number one was arrested on a charge of driving
under the influence on Monday. It's been a good start for Andy Murray at
the French Open, he faces world number 50 Martin Klizan in the
second round at Roland Garros tomorrow. I'll have all that and
more in the next half an hour. This morning the joint leader
of the Green Party tells this programme she'll cry if the Greens
only return one MP after next In a wide ranging interview
Caroline Lucas also tells us why she believes some drugs should be
legalised and prostitution She joined me in an electric
white van for part of our van share series -
with different politicians from some In this interview -
which was recorded before the manchester terror attacks -
she also says talks should happen with so-called Islamic State,
but she's not naive enough to think IS will send a representative
to any talks. Let's start by talking
about your manifesto. You want to scrap
university tuition fees. And you want to write off
all existing student debt. We think it is wrong that young
people get saddled with this huge amount of debt as they are starting
in their working lives, and also that we think education
should be a public good, Our guarantee about tuition fees
would cost between 8 billion, according to the IFS,
or 11 billion, according to other aspirational estimates
that have been done. We would not be spending money,
for example, on Trident nuclear weapons, HS2,
the Hinckley nuclear-power station. We would say that people
with the broadest shoulders Why do you want to use the taxes
from low-income families to pay the tuition fees of wealthy
students, and ultimately to pay off We would not be addressing
our tax rises to people We have policies like the universal
basic income that would help people on the lowest incomes
and on no income. We say that we want a country
where we can afford good public services for everybody,
and those are the political We the fifth-biggest
economy in the world, and so it is up to us how
we make those choices. You are happy to pay the tuition
fees of wealthier students If they are wealthy, they will pay
more into the tax system ultimately. Yes, because they will pay
more ultimately through You want to give a citizens'
income to everybody. I am not sure you
are calling it that. We need to have a debate
about the future of work. That would be a payment
you would want to pay to everybody, including Premier League
footballers, property For people earning more,
like your football players, But there will be some people
who think that is just bonkers, because that will cost,
if it is 80 quid a week, You would also not be paying
lots of the benefits. It would not be on top
of existing benefits. You scrap existing benefits, 160
billion, it is still 140 billion, It will be a pilot, and combined
with more-progressive taxation. As a result, those people who do not
need it will pay more anyway, It guarantees basic
security to people. People might think this is not
the right answer, and that is fine, but at least the question
is being asked by us, how is it that in the fifth-richest
country in the world we have a situation where 4 million
kids are living in poverty, where people are dependent on food
banks, nurses, because they cannot have enough money to
put food on the table? In that context, it is right
to ask the questions. One challenge is
protecting the planet. You have failed to get people
talking about the environment. Nobody is talking about the green
agenda in this election. I suppose the Green
movement has not done I don't think the fault
is entirely ours. We launched an environment
manifesto ten days ago, and although we had some journalists
there and TV cameras, none of it cut through,
you would not have seen it on your TV screens,
so it is an enormous challenge. It feels as if the whole political
debate now is being so stifled We are not going to be
the next Government, I hope we will have some more Green
MPs who will put pressure on the next Government,
but what we can do is broaden the terms of the debate,
having the debate about how we cope with a future where fewer people
are going to be having the kind of nine-to-five secure jobs
that they might have expected Do you accept that voters do
like to know how things are going to be costed and need
a credible answer? Voters will be pleased
to know that somebody is thinking about the future,
about what the world of work Why do you think the loudest
anti-Brexit parties are plummeting I don't think it is as a result
of saying that we believe the people should have the final say
on the referendum. I do not think we are saying,
"Don't get on with it," but when you come back with a final
deal, does that go to Parliament It was the people that
started off the debate, and given the magnitude
of the decision that we are taking, given the fact that so much
of what we were promised has proved not to be the case, ?350 million
to the NHS, Turkey joining, the fact we are supposed
to the keeping the same economic arrangements now as we had
when we were part of the EU, all of that has
unravelled spectacularly. If people voted no to that final
deal, Britain would stay in the EU? Would you set a limit for the number
of immigrants allowed into Britain? We are standing up for free
movement, we would not The economy sets how
many people come here, and we think it is the most-precious
gift that people can work and retire and study and live and love
and learn in 27 other member states. It is amazing, and I feel so sad
that my kids now will not have the benefits that
I did from that. Should people who support so-called
Islamic State or become a member of Al-Qaeda,
should they be prosecuted? Previously you have
said they should not. Natalie once misspoke
on a BBC politics programme, but the Green Party is clear,
any kind of involvement in any kind of violence like that is utterly
a criminal offence and should be Talking is normally what gets
solutions, as it was in Ireland. It is hard to think
who your interlocutor is. So, yes to talks, but not to be
naive that IS will nominate You are happy for Green candidates
to stand aside in some seats if it is going to split the vote
and therefore potentially allow Is that not skewing
democracy somewhat? Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and no
party are coming together to say, come on, let's try to just be a bit
more savvy about this voting system, which we know is on course to be
handing, if the polls are right, How can we ensure that
different voices are heard, how can we put aside narrow tribal
interests just for once? It is a difficult thing
to ask parties to do, but there was a huge appetite for it
at a local level, including at It was not reciprocated
at a national level, but I still feel it was the right
thing to do. On your website you say
you are not a typical MP. What do you think sets you apart
from other middle-class, I think it is a combination
of being prepared to think the unthinkable as part
of the Green Party, I think it is willing to put your body
where your mouth is, the preparedness to take non-violent
direct action when other That sense of being prepared
to stand up for what you believe in without compromising
is relatively rare. We want an evidence-based drugs
policy, and what we have under this Government and the successive ones
has been an evidence-free policy. There is such an
ideological reaction. Even if it were the case to be
proven that a different policy could keep far more people safe
from drugs, it's not What we are saying is,
let's start with cannabis, let's start by making that
available, if you are over 18 The parents I have spoken
to in Brighton support this issue. It is one I have stood up
for in Brighton very strongly. They will be pleased that once
they are 18 their children can turn around to their parents and say,
"Look, it is regulated now, Many people under 18 are already
getting hold of those drugs, becoming addicted,
and because we have a criminal-justice system that treats
addiction as a criminal offence rather than as a health
problem, there is no way We believe, again,
a decriminalisation, both of the buyer of sex
and of the seller, is a way Would you describe
yourself as a feminist? Are you pleased we have a second
female Prime Minister? Only because I hate her policies,
but of course we need whoever is doing the policies,
I would rather more women Your most-expensive purchase,
not including a car or a home? I think I cried last week, just out
of exhaustion and frustration. If you only return one MP again
this time, yourself... I want Molly to be elected
in Bristol West, I want Vix Lowthion It would be brilliant,
and it would not just be tears because I am sad,
I would be heartbroken that we have not managed to get people
like them into Parliament, How much is the PiP disability
benefit? Hole I can't remember now. Is it ?80 from something like that?
It is about ?65. To be honest, that is a nice way of catching me out,
but the most important thing is to make sure that people with
disabilities are looked after. The most embarrassing thing you have
done when you were drunk? It is not necessarily when I am drunk, but I
figured people's names and faces. Do you sing in the shower,
and if so, what? I assume it is a shower
rather than a bath? We like our occasional
baths as well! My favourite singer
is Regina Spektor, I would try to sing some of her songs,
she is wonderful. I don't know her, can
you sing to me a little bit? I so wish I had my son's Keita with
me, and then she may have had to sing, although I cannot play it.
And more van share with other politicians to come
The Metropolitan Police is going to recruit people directly
as detectives without them spending time in uniform.
We can speak now to Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary,
Zoe Billingham, and Leroy Logan who is a former Metropolitan Police
Superintendent and retired after 30 years' service
How bad is the shortage of detectives? Very bad. We put in our
most recent report there is a national crisis in the shortage of
detectives and we have called on forces to take all sorts of
innovative action, like the Met are doing, to make sure that skilled
people are investigating very serious crimes. OK, but you are now
going to have people with skills in other areas but not policing.
Someone who has never arrested someone, someone who has never
sought a crime, going straight in as a detective? What you wouldn't
believe that the moment is that we have people who have no detective
experience at all who are police officers investigating rapes and
even in one incident a homicide. What we want to be happening is a
proper training course for people necessarily coming in from outside
of policing if that is what the Met thinks is important, they get the
appropriate training, they learn how to investigate a crime, they used
their forensic intelligence well and they bring offenders to justice.
That is preferable to forces using a patchwork approach and not having
the right skilled people investigating very, very serious
crimes against people. OK, Leroy Logan, what do you think about this?
There are certain things you can't learn from a book or online. There
are certain skills that you develop through on-site learning. Sorry to
interrupt, Zoe Billingham says there are people investigating crimes as
serious as murder and rape because of the shortage. It is because there
is a shortage, and I think it is really near-sighted that they
haven't understood when you have a high caseload of officers, and the
fact that they are leaving in their droves, and it is so difficult to
get into the tech -- the detective system that it has left a crisis. It
feeds into the narrative that it is just one crisis after another.
People are sensing they are not getting the service they deserve.
OK, why couldn't a graduate with a degree in, I don't know, English
literature take a course to learn some of the skills to become a
detective, and then go on to become a successful detective? I'm not
saying that they can't do it, the only thing is the time between them
being a graduate - I was a graduate when I joined the net but there were
certain skills are developed, interacting with the public, knowing
when someone is lying to you, getting an understanding of how you
map out the process of investigation. That doesn't come
just online or through a website. So I believe there is going to be a bit
of a risk when it comes to this transition to them being effective
detectives. Briefly, Zoe Billingham, what about those skills you pick up
that Leroy Logan has just talked about? These folks are not going to
be thrown in at the deep end, they will be recruited, they will have
the right skills, they will go through intensive training, they
will work alongside other very senior detectives for a period of
time working on perhaps less complex crimes to start with and then
working at the more conflicts crime areas. If they have the right skills
and qualities in order to be to do so. The public must be kept safe, at
the end of the day, and this training needs to be intensive and
conference. They have to be properly supervised, that is key. If they are
not, and not the current situation where you have a higher ratio of
constables, Detective constables and detective sergeants. They won't have
the intrusive supervision to ensure it is not just a rubber stamp, go
on, move on, they actually have the skills that they speak about. Will
they be properly supervised? Absolutely, supervised all the way
through their training and for many years into their qualifications as
well. Does that reassure you, briefly? The jury's out. Thank you
both of you. Tens of thousands of expat
pensioners may return to the UK to use the NHS after Brexit,
unless a deal can be done to let them keep receiving care abroad,
a think tank has warned. The Nuffield Trust estimates
the cost of treating them on home soil, rather than abroad,
could double to ?1 billion. Currently, the UK gives around
?500 million a year to EU countries that care for Brits
who have retired abroad. Jean Moore originally
from the West Midlands is one of the 190,000 pensioners living
in the EU. I spoke to her in Spain a short
time ago about the care I get excellent care here,
and I am frightened. I didn't vote for Brexit,
because I couldn't vote. And I'm frightened if I come back
now, or when Brexit occurs, My arthritis has flared up
really badly lately, and the hospital were worried,
so they are going to start me on a new treatment,
but they have to get permission I feel if I come back to the UK,
I will not get this treatment. I'm 74 on June 10th, and if I have
a seizure, I can't walk. My sons in England
are worried about me. Fortunately, for me,
I have a wonderful carer in my husband, who is 83 in August,
and he helps me an awful lot. So the reason we're talking
to you today, obviously, is because this report from a think
tank suggesting that people like yourself might have to come
back to the UK to use the NHS after Brexit, unless a deal can be
done that allows you to continue receiving your care abroad,
in Spain where you are right now. How hopeful are you that that sort
of deal can be done? Well, I always look on the bright
side and think, well, Britain will come through for us,
because there's a lot of people in Spain who work in the UK,
a lot of Spanish people. They will want their treatment
the same, so if the UK and Spain reciprocate one another,
we'll get on well. But if they go for a hard Brexit,
and they refuse this NHS thing, I'm done for, I might as well go
and get the funeral plan out Oh, Jean, you don't
mean that, do you? I tell you what it is,
I can't tell you how painful this It's like a silent disease,
you look really healthy, but it's a crippling disease
on the joints, and I'm just frightened that
if I go back to the UK, Well, that was Jean, God bless her,
her husband is her carer. He is 83. With me is Mark Dayan,
who carried out the research, he's from the health charity
the Nuffield Trust. Hello to you, Mark. So how real is
this possibility that somebody like gene might have to come back to the
UK for treatment? I hope a deal can be done, but we are some how going
into the unknown with this. There are some countries outside the EU
that have set up a reciprocal arrangement with the UK, Australia
is one. When you consider how many countries there are across the EU to
come to some sort of arrangement with. Yes, exactly, how many
countries, and also a reciprocal arrangements are foreigners who are
living here. Although relatively few EU migrants refuse to retire to
Britain for reasons of cost and perhaps the weather, but certainly
we would want that to be seen as a priority in Brexit negotiations. I
think that is one of a range of issues where the NHS will be
affected by Brexit, and what we want to see is it remaining at the centre
of the government's minds as they come to these difficult
negotiations. If a deal is reached, how much of an impact will it have
on the NHS? There are a number of things that might be tricky for the
NHS. Firstly, you would have these pensioners potentially having to
return to Britain to get the care they need. That will cost a bit of
extra money. Perhaps more importantly, added pressure on beds
and nurses which are very stretch at the moment, it has been very
inconvenient for pensioners like gene who probably like living where
they are, and getting the care they do. Then there is the impact on
staffing. At the moment the NHS is quite reliant on migrants from the
EU to fill but unfortunately due to bad planning has become a big gap
particularly around nursing. Lastly there is the market for medicine. At
the moment the NHS really benefits from being able to buy medicine from
across the EU, because it is all under the same pricing scheme.
Right, and in terms of the nursing shortage, what is the situation
right now? We already have a shortage of tens of thousands of
nurses. An analysis by the Department of Health which was
leaked show they think that could widen to as much as 20 to 50,000
more unfilled posts by 2025, if all nursing migration was cut off after
Brexit, which I don't think we want to see. And that is unlikely to see,
because pretty much all the parties have said whether they want to bring
net migration down or not, most of them have said it depends on the
needs of the economy. So if we need nurses, you would like to think we
would encourage nurses from abroad if we haven't got them here. That's
what we are saying, and we are encouraged by the both main parties
showing signs they have heard that concern. What I would say is in the
past when there was a crackdown from migration from outside the EU, that
really did push down the numbers, and the salaries weren't quite high
enough to meet some of the standards. I am in Carriage Gate
will be addressed but it is quite a real concern. Thank you very much.
-- I am encouraged that it will be addressed. Thank you for your many
comments on election blind dates. Mark on Facebook says I love these
election dates, listening to normal people having sensible, constructive
political discourse. What I love most is that the participants are
actively listening to each other and having a normal conversation. Our
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follow-up, the right wing young lady should go on a life swap with a
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