30/05/2017 Victoria Derbyshire


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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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A zookeeper killed by a tiger in Cambridgeshire has been described as

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the shining light of the park. Rosa King 's attack at Hamerton Zoo

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yesterday. This was her speaking a year ago.

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We do a lot of work for conservation, a lot of breeding

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to try and save the species, just like the Malayan tiger here -

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there's only about 300 left in the wild and they're being poached.

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Before 10, we'll speak to an eyewitness

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who was there with his family when it happened.

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Plus - we'll talk to a surgeon who treated dozens of seriously

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wounded patients after the Manchester terror attacks

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That's a very good question - a lot of people are

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I'm not very married at the moment, let's put it like that.

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Well, it's good to get to know each other's status before

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I think separated is my legal status.

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That full lunch date with newly separated Ukip-er Nigel Farage

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and journalist Rachel Johnson in the next few minutes.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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A little later, we'll try and find out what's

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going on with golfer Tiger Woods, who's been arrested for driving

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under the influence seven years after he began to try

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and repair his public image after those multiple affairs.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

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A zoo in Cambridgeshire will remain closed while an investigation

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continues into the circumstances surrounding the killing of a keeper

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Rosa King, who was 33, died yesterday at Hamerton Zoo

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Mauled to death by one of the park's tigers.

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Police say the female zoo keeper, who has been named locally

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as Rosa King, was killed inside the animal enclosure.

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It's not known yet exactly what happened.

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Busy with Bank Holiday visitors, several people posted photographs

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Those in the park were led away, although some claimed

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they were allowed back in for a short period before

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the park was closed by zoo officials who later handed out a short

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Nine years ago, a cheetah escaped through a broken electric fence,

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It was later recaptured nearby and no-one was hurt.

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Police say there are no suspicious circumstances and a full

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The zoo says it will remain closed today.

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Ben Ando is at Hamerton Zoo Park with the latest.

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Staff have been arriving for work in sombre mood. They are obviously too

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distressed to talk publicly about what happened. There is an

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investigation under way. Yesterday, the police were here all day. At the

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end of the day, they said there were no suspicious circumstances

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surrounding what happened to Rosa King. But of course, the zoo will

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have some serious questions to ask about how she came to be in the

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enclosure with the tiger that mauled her to death. She has been described

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by friends as a shining light here, someone who in some ways, the park

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revolved around and someone who cared passionately about the animals

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in her care, with an affinity in particular for cheetahs, but for all

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big cats as well. While the investigation is going on, the part

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remains closed. We will talk to an eyewitness who was at the zoo when

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the attack happened later. Joanna is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Manchester Victoria Station has

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reopened this morning after it was damaged in last

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week's bomb attack. Last night, hundreds of people

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gathered for a vigil at St Ann's Square to mark exactly

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one week since 22 people were killed by a suicide bomber

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at the Manchester Arena. Our correspondent Frankie McCamley

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is in Manchester for us now. Joanne, if you can see behind me,

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people are starting to come and go from Manchester Victoria Station.

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This city is now returning to some form of normality, but part of the

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station do still remain closed. The section that connects the station to

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the arena where Ariana Grande was performing when that bomb went off.

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Staff have also been arriving. Those staff members turned into first

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responders when they were the first people on the scene trying to help

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the walking wounded and help people who have been badly hurt in the

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attack. Last night, a vigil took place, a minute's silence marking

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the exact moment that the bomb went off a week ago. Police have also

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released a still of Salman Abedi, the man who set off this bomb last

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Monday. They are looking for a blue suitcase he was carrying in the

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hours leading up to that attack. With just over a week to go until

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the general election, Theresa May will today turn the focus of the

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Conservatives' campaign towards Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn will campaign

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on the issue of childcare as Labour seeks to turn the spotlight on

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public services. Last night, they both faced questions in a live

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television broadcast. This was the first time Theresa May

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and Jeremy Corbyn had appeared at the same venue in front

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of the same audience for a grilling in front of the cameras

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since the election was called. The Labour Leader had wanted

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to debate with the Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn was the first

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to face the audience, the order decided by the toss

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of a coin. He was asked about his determination

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to deal with terror threats. He was also asked about his

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approach to business. This country is badly divided

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between the richest and the poorest. You put corporate tax and tax

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at the top end down, Are you happy that so many of our

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children are going to school So many of our children

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are going to school hungry. Next, it was Theresa May's turn

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and she faced questions over So why, Prime Minister, should

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we and my generation vote for you? So what happens is, people

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are paying for care, people are finding that they are having

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to sell their house, many people are having

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to sell their house to pay those care bills and many find that

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they're not able to leave Now, I want to take those risks away

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and that's what the proposals I've It's about ensuring that nobody

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is going to have to sell their house Afterwards, it was clear

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neither leader had landed The grilling has just ended

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and senior politicians from the political parties are out

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giving their own slant I think Team Corbyn and Team May

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will both be pretty pleased. The two people wanting to be

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Prime Minister after June 8th will have another chance

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to make their case at a BBC Tiger Woods has denied he'd been

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drinking when he was stopped whilst driving his car

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in Florida yesterday morning. Police charged him with being under

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the influence of alcohol - but the golfer has blamed

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an unexpected reaction to some Prince Harry will attend the launch

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of the UK's Invictus Games team and host his first

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Buckingham Palace garden party. The Prince will meet

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the 90-strong team, who will take on the challenge

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of the Paralympic-style competition He's been the driving force behind

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the Invictus Games for injured, wounded and sick servicemen

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and women and veterans. That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30. Coming up in six minutes, the first

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in our series of election blind dates, where we bring two people

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with opposing political views together on a blind date over lunch

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and they see if there are any areas where they agreed, or sparks

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generally fly. What happens when they have a glass of wine or two?

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Today, Nigel Farage and Rachel Johnson. She's a journalist. She has

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a famous brother. Lily tweets if this isn't a joke, I am completely

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speechless. It's coming up in five minutes.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

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Huddersfield Town are on a high after what happened yesterday. What

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can we expect from them in the Premier League? That's right, it has

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been a bit of a sporting soap opera. It is the story of this little-known

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German manager named David Wagner, who lead a squad of relatively

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unknown players to the richest league in the world. This has been a

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fairy tale for fans. This is a team that have been waiting 45 years to

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return to top-flight football. In the end, it took more than 113

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minutes of football, ending in a dramatic penalty shoot out against

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Reading. It was Christopher Schindler scored the decisive

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penalty. It certainly will not be easy for Huddersfield Town in the

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Premier League. The constant pressure of relegation is something

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they will have to get used to, but it is worth keeping an eye on David

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Wagner, a German manager and former assistant to Liverpool manager

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Jurgen Klopp. He was best man at his wedding. He has a meticulous eye for

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detail. We have seen him exploiting the foreign markets with signings

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like Christopher Schindler. It will be interesting to see how he

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develops his existing formula in the Premier League in August.

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Now, Arsene Wenger. We might hear more about his future today. Is he

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going to get another contract at Arsenal? That is the question. We do

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know that Arsene Wenger held a meeting with the owner Stan Kroenke

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yesterday. The outcome remains unclear but the decision will be

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relayed to directors at a board meeting later today. Wenger has of

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course faced unprecedented criticism throughout this season, which ended

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with the gunners finishing outside the top four for the first time in

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20 years. But they did manage to beat Chelsea on Saturday to win the

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FA Cup, which did make Wenger the most successful manager in the

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competition's history. His departure would cause some disruption, but

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things should be clearer later, when Arsenal release a statement and an

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interview with Wenger tomorrow. Britain's sailors, led by Sir Ben

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Ainslie, are quite behind the Americas cup qualifying. Can they

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come back? It is already the halfway stage of this double round

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qualifying series and as you say, Ben Ainslie and his team are fourth

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-- have a fourth consecutive defeat yesterday, beaten by France. That

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was certainly not in the script. It means Great Britain slipped down to

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the third place in the table. They will be hoping to avoid an early

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trip home. After the race, Ben Ainslie went on Twitter to admit it

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wasn't the finest race, but it is time to hunker down, regroup and

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come back fighting. They desperately need a win now. It is not out of the

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question when you think back to 2013, when Ben Ainslie on Bottas

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technician came back from a deficit to claim victory. Today, they will

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face Sweden. That is the one thing they have beaten. But the Swedish

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crew have stepped up their game since losing to GB on Saturday, so

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they will have a fight on their hands. But unless they solve those

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speed issues, the British team will be facing an early exit. More from

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Holly throughout the morning when it comes to sport.

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Over the next few days, we'll be bringing you a blind lunch date

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between two politicians with very different views

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First in the series, journalist Rachel Johnson -

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who joined the Lib Dems because she wants the UK

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to stay in the EU - went for a blind date with former

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Ukip leader Nigel Farage at his private members' club.

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Neither knew who they were meeting in advance -

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but newly separated Nigel Farage told us he was rather

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hoping it would be Boris Johnson's sister,

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So this is how they got on - and a warning - there is some

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There is an election on, and people are talking politics.

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So what happens when you send two people

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I'm nervous, my God, I have not done this for so long!

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We will see people that choose to sign on and it angers me.

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You look gloriously distinguished, slightly hunky.

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When people stand at the dispatch box and

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tell me there is more money in education, I wonder where it has

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gone, because it is not in my children's school.

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I've got to admit that they think of me

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as sister of Boris, which is annoying,

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I joined the Tories, but only for a few years.

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I am very concerned that we don't

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willy-nilly in terms of Brexit,

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because I am thinking about my children and grandchildren,

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waiting for grandchildren, not long now, I hope!

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I was anxious it was going to be Michael Gove.

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It could be possibly Douglas Carswell, he

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regards me with utter disdain, so that could be interesting.

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It would be great fun if it was Nigel Farage,

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but he will drink me under the table.

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I have got to play a tennis match after lunch!

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I am Nigel Farage, I was in business for 20 years, I was

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never involved in politics at all, so I gave up quite a normal life to

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dedicate myself to what was considered to be fringe politics,

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What I do know is I am meeting a fanatical Remainer, I know it

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is a woman, I hope she likes a drink!

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Before we get into your date, tell us what you

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think of this man from what you know of him.

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The problem with Nigel is he is impossible not to adore!

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destroyed the country, turned the Tory party into Conkip

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Nigel Farage, what do you think of Rachel Johnson?

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Clearly deluded on this issue, but over a glass of something we

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That is a very good question, a lot of

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I am not very married at the moment, let's put it like that.

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It is good to get to know each other's status.

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I don't think anything would have survived what I have been doing

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Not that I have been perfect, I am not, but it

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Are you talking about work and infidelity?

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The sheer nastiness and aggro that comes with this, the

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whole hard left movement are now the Remainders.

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That is not the reason for your marriage breakdown.

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No help from the police, no help from the state,

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nothing, so you literally never go out.

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I have a theory, I don't think people cared

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about Project Fear, I don't think people

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care that the Eurozone will

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boom and we are going to go off a cliff.

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It has become an ideology, and all they want is to say, we have

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got our country back, without caring what that means.

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The ideology is to lie to two dozen countries in

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Europe, to tell them they are joining an economic club, and then

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bit by bit to take away their democracy and independence.

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That is the ideology, the flag, the anthem,

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You are talking about democracy, why can't

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Parliament have a proper look at the eventual deal?

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Because Parliament subcontracted it to the British

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We have a parliamentary democracy, this is not

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From where I sat, before we had Brexit, we were not in

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Schengen, we were not in the Euro, we were not in the social chapter,

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The good things were the bits we were not in.

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I think he may have gone to the gents.

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Do you think I have upset him already?

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Send a search party for Nigel Farage.

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Considering that you are on opposite sides of

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the EU argument, this is a bit of a love in.

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It has always had this chemistry, cannot help it!

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There are lots of Remainers I like anyway.

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What I cannot stand are politicians who have been so

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dishonest about the subject all the way through the years.

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The people who used to masquerade as Eurosceptics at

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The referendum sorted people out in the end.

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I could not help overhearing your conversation about potentially

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thinking about standing for the European Parliament if Britain is

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not out of the European Union by 2019.

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If this confirmation that you are both

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Unless I can find myself a seat somewhere else.

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You would fancy a seat in this country at Westminster?

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You have tried to be an MP seven times.

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I was not in politics for that, I was in politics to try to change

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What would your brother think of this

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What does your brother think of you joining

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He takes a very dim view, but I have reassured

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him that for me it is a single issue decision, and it is for this

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I reserve my right to do whatever I like in perpetuity,

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I can have a different political opinion.

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YouGov says 45% want Brexit at any price.

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Walk away tomorrow, two fingers up, go.

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That is a problem, it is like vandalism.

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23% want Brexit to happen but with a good deal.

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What I don't understand is what is so good about

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Why do you feel so strongly about it?

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Leaving aside what is good about it, the fact we

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have had peace and security and prosperity...

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But that there are lots of reasons for that.

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One of them is we are part of the EU, it has kept

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Are you saying the Germans would have invaded again?

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Because of the EU, the Germans have been a real force for

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stability in Europe and an engine of growth.

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Can we talk about something else now?

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I must ask if the story about you snogging

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A page-three model would have been OK!

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What was she doing in business class?

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You can't trust anybody, talk to anybody.

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There I was, sitting at the bar having

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dinner, somebody starts talking to you, what are you going to do?

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You need a nice, steady Brexiter girlfriend, because then

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you don't have to have the conversation with her all the time.

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Like what you said to me, "I don't understand why do you feel so

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You should be exchanging sweet nothings, you know you are

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both on the same page, you both want out.

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I still don't get why you feel so strongly.

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I grew up in Brussels, I worked in Brussels.

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Do you want a United States of Europe?

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I liked what we had, I don't want to lose it.

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Cameron did as much to lose the referendum as anybody else.

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The deal was not good enough, so I almost

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entirely hold him responsible, more than you.

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Then when we went over the waterfall in a

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bucket, he left Downing Street with a song in his heart.

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Over the last 20 years, not much, which is why I am

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It is sad your private life has fallen apart,

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but you have done it for a noble cause.

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You are Nigel Farage, that is the problem.

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You will be fine, you cannot complain, you have

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Douglas Carswell is fantastically smug about what has

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He is one of the unhappiest people I have ever met.

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He does not have your ability to connect with people.

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The other big hobby which I have got, which used

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What should I do with the rest of my life?

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I think I am swimming against the tide

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You will lose this one completely, but that is OK,

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I wonder if I have made a terrible mistake.

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It does not matter I am the butt of ridicule

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from half the Cabinet for

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I was asking Nigel what I should do with the rest of my life.

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Have I destroyed any hope of any serious future?

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How would you sum up your political first date?

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It is interesting, because Rachel is seen in this

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country as being a hardline Remainer,

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but when you talk to her, she would

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Had she told me that she supports a United States of

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Europe and everything else, I would have been

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able to understand why she

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Do you think you have sacrificed your

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I felt that as we were entering a one-party state on an issue

:30:33.:30:40.

I believe to be wrong in every particular...

:30:41.:30:43.

I felt I could not live with myself unless I made a

:30:44.:30:45.

futile gesture and stood up to be counted, if only to be shot down.

:30:46.:31:09.

How would you sum up your date with Nigel Farage?

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Incredibly entertaining and infuriating.

:31:12.:31:12.

I have gone from a Eurosceptic in France to

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We can't afford a European army, but apart from that...

:31:21.:31:32.

There is no point joining the Lib Dems.

:31:33.:31:37.

In ten years, we will see whether it has been the

:31:38.:31:39.

great success that you hoped for, and I hope for too, as I want things

:31:40.:31:43.

In ten years, the EU will not exist anyway, so it will be a

:31:44.:31:47.

On Twitter, they say this blind date is brilliant. Another says blind

:31:48.:32:16.

date was a brilliant idea. Sean says there was definitely chemistry

:32:17.:32:20.

there. Lily says this is vomit inducing, not newsworthy, giving

:32:21.:32:23.

airtime to Farage yet again. He is irrelevant. And Conrad says stop

:32:24.:32:29.

trying to normalise this divisive and hateful prat. Tomorrow, will

:32:30.:32:32.

have the next one. What happened when Made

:32:33.:32:37.

in Chelsea's Georgia Toffolo, better known as Toff,

:32:38.:32:39.

met austerity campaigner and cook Later in the week, we'll bring

:32:40.:32:41.

you dates between Labour MP Jess Phillips and Conservative MP

:32:42.:32:48.

John Whittingdale, historian Mary Beard and Peter Stringfellow

:32:49.:32:50.

who runs a lapdancing club, Gina Miller, who led the Brexit

:32:51.:32:55.

court case against the government and Godfrey Bloom, a former

:32:56.:33:02.

Ukip politician and SNP politician Tommy Sheppard

:33:03.:33:04.

and comedian Stuart Mitchell. Still to come, the SNP will be

:33:05.:33:10.

launching their general election manifesto later this morning. We

:33:11.:33:14.

will talk to one of their senior politicians before 11. And we will

:33:15.:33:17.

try and find out what is going on with Tiger Woods. The golfer has

:33:18.:33:21.

been arrested for driving under the influence, but says alcohol was not

:33:22.:33:22.

involved. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:33:23.:33:25.

with a summary of today's news. A zookeeper who died after a tiger

:33:26.:33:28.

entered an enclosure at a wildlife park in Cambridgeshire has been

:33:29.:33:32.

named as 33-year-old Rosa King. Hamerton Zoo Park in

:33:33.:33:36.

Cambridgeshire will remain closed while an investigation continues

:33:37.:33:38.

into the incident. Manchester Victoria Station has

:33:39.:33:43.

reopened this morning after it was damaged in last

:33:44.:33:45.

week's bomb attack. Last night, hundreds of people

:33:46.:33:49.

gathered for a vigil at St Ann's Square to mark exactly

:33:50.:33:52.

one week since 22 people were killed by a suicide bomber

:33:53.:33:55.

at the Manchester Arena. With just over a week to go

:33:56.:34:00.

until the general election, the Conservatives are focusing

:34:01.:34:02.

on Brexit while Labour focus Last night, the leaders of both

:34:03.:34:07.

parties faced questions Theresa May was questioned by Jeremy

:34:08.:34:10.

Paxman on her stance on Brexit. We gave people the choice,

:34:11.:34:14.

Jeremy, and the British people decided to leave

:34:15.:34:24.

the European Union and I think it's important for them

:34:25.:34:26.

to see their politicians delivering on that choice and

:34:27.:34:29.

respecting the will of the people. Jeremy Corbyn was questioned about

:34:30.:34:43.

his views on drone strikes and Northern Ireland. The Labour leader

:34:44.:34:45.

had offended his stance on corporation tax.

:34:46.:34:48.

This country is badly divided between the richest and the poorest.

:34:49.:34:51.

You put corporate tax and tax at the top end down,

:34:52.:34:54.

Are you happy that so many of our children are going to school

:34:55.:35:02.

So many of our children are going to school hungry?

:35:03.:35:08.

British Airways says it will operate a full schedule at Heathrow

:35:09.:35:10.

and Gatwick today for the first time since the computer failure

:35:11.:35:13.

on Saturday disrupted flights around the world.

:35:14.:35:17.

The airline says its IT systems are now "back up

:35:18.:35:19.

and running" but "significant numbers" of passengers

:35:20.:35:21.

are still without their luggage, which could take some time

:35:22.:35:24.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:35:25.:35:34.

This is just in from the mother of Rosa King, the zookeeper who was

:35:35.:35:40.

killed by a tiger at Hamerton Park Zoo. She has paid tribute to her

:35:41.:35:45.

daughter honour saying of her dedication to her job, she wouldn't

:35:46.:35:48.

have done anything else. It is what she has always done. It is what she

:35:49.:35:54.

has always loved. That is from Rosa King's mum, Andrea King. We will

:35:55.:35:59.

talk to a family member who was at the zoo yesterday when that tragedy

:36:00.:36:05.

unfolded. Let's bring you the sport now. Holly is back. Coming up this

:36:06.:36:12.

hour, it was the ?170 million match that means Huddersfield are in the

:36:13.:36:15.

Premier League for the first time. They beat Reading in a dramatic

:36:16.:36:19.

penalty shoot out to win the championship play-off final

:36:20.:36:22.

yesterday. And in or out - Arsene Wenger's

:36:23.:36:28.

future could become clearer later. Following crucial talks with

:36:29.:36:31.

majority shareholder Stan Kroenke, club directors are expected to find

:36:32.:36:35.

out whether he will be staying at the club.

:36:36.:36:38.

Great Britain's sailors, led by Sir Ben Ainslie, need to come from

:36:39.:36:43.

behind in Americas cup qualifying. They are four down after losing

:36:44.:36:47.

against France and now take on the other five teams again over the next

:36:48.:36:51.

few days, starting against Sweden today.

:36:52.:36:53.

And Andy Murray starts his French Open later. The world number one

:36:54.:36:59.

plays Russia's Andrey Kuznetsov. All that and more coming up at ten

:37:00.:37:00.

o'clock. The people of Manchester paid

:37:01.:37:02.

an emotional tribute last night to those who died in the bombing

:37:03.:37:05.

exactly one week ago. Police investigating

:37:06.:37:40.

the bombing have been searching a rubbish tip

:37:41.:37:42.

on the outskirts of Bury. The city's Victoria train

:37:43.:37:44.

station reopened at 5am. It's been closed since

:37:45.:37:46.

last week's blast. We can speak to two of those people

:37:47.:37:52.

whose courage and determination Lianne Shutt saved a stranger

:37:53.:37:55.

with life-threatening injuries - she's in Salford -

:37:56.:38:04.

and Zaf Naqui, a consultant orthopaedic surgeon at Salford Royal

:38:05.:38:08.

NHS Foundation Trust who treated Lianne, once the attack had

:38:09.:38:24.

happened, you helped your daughter and husband leave, but you returned

:38:25.:38:29.

to help a dad and his daughter. Tell us what you saw. Yes, on Monday

:38:30.:38:34.

evening when leaving the concourse in Manchester Arena, I came across a

:38:35.:38:40.

gentleman and his daughter who was very distressed. I pulled them both

:38:41.:38:50.

to safety on a road facing the main entrance of the MEN. An instinct

:38:51.:38:57.

kicked in and I started to treat the wounds that he had. And what sort of

:38:58.:39:07.

injuries were you helping with? There were several casualties this

:39:08.:39:12.

evening, and the injuries were horrific. Mostly shrapnel wounds.

:39:13.:39:18.

You ended up driving this dad and his daughter at high speed to the

:39:19.:39:23.

hospital. Some have reported it as being 100 miles an hour. I am not

:39:24.:39:26.

sure if that is accurate. Definitely not. I drove there as fast and as

:39:27.:39:35.

safe as possible, given the circumstances with a casualty in the

:39:36.:39:41.

car. And what were you thinking when you were on that journey? It was

:39:42.:39:47.

just instinct to get the gentleman and his daughter, myself and my

:39:48.:39:55.

husband to the nearest hospital and had him treated as soon as possible.

:39:56.:40:02.

Clearly, the ambulances hadn't got to the exit you were at, is that

:40:03.:40:07.

right? Yeah, I believe they were otherwise engaged at the other side

:40:08.:40:10.

of the arena and time seemed to move so fast. We just needed to get these

:40:11.:40:17.

casualties away on the seen and treated. Let me bring in Zaf, a

:40:18.:40:24.

surgeon who volunteered to help in the hours after the Manchester

:40:25.:40:30.

attack. The information you will talk about may upset some people, so

:40:31.:40:35.

I wanted to let people know that. You went into work at 6am, because

:40:36.:40:39.

that was when you new colleagues would have started to get tired.

:40:40.:40:46.

Tell us what you faced when you arrived? First of all, our sympathy

:40:47.:40:52.

and thoughts are still with all the relatives and victims. I had been

:40:53.:41:03.

alerted overnight by a friend in Los Angeles, who said a bomb had gone

:41:04.:41:06.

off. That was the first I knew about it and I had spoken to our on-call

:41:07.:41:15.

team who went in. It rapidly became clear that this was not going to be

:41:16.:41:20.

something we could deal with just overnight, so we decided to stagger

:41:21.:41:23.

our entry into the hospital to relieve other surgeons. So as part

:41:24.:41:29.

of the orthopaedic team, we went in and looked at all the injuries we

:41:30.:41:35.

had on our watch and worked out how best to treat them in terms of the

:41:36.:41:41.

number of staff we had a the number of theatres and what those patients

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required. At Salford royal, we are a major trauma centre. So we received

:41:48.:41:52.

the most severe category of injured patients. This meant that the

:41:53.:41:57.

injuries involve all parts of the body. We had to work with other

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surgeons on these patients in multiple theatres at the same time.

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And you could see the impact of the metal bolts that were embedded in

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people? Yes. The metal bolts were embedded throughout, unfortunately

:42:22.:42:27.

from head to toe, in the brain, the head, face, neck, chest, abdomen,

:42:28.:42:33.

pelvis and all of the limbs. There was no part of the body among the

:42:34.:42:40.

group of patients that wasn't involved. Like I said, we had

:42:41.:42:47.

neurosurgeons, general surgeons, vascular surgeons, orthopaedic and

:42:48.:42:50.

trauma surgeons, plastic surgeons, ENT surgeons, all working together

:42:51.:42:58.

for these patients. How do you reflect on the way that you and your

:42:59.:43:00.

colleagues worked together last week? A week on, there are two

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things that I have considered. Firstly, I am really proud of

:43:11.:43:14.

everyone at Salford Royal and I am sure it is the same in the other

:43:15.:43:17.

hospitals in Manchester, the way we somehow managed to coordinate and

:43:18.:43:25.

collaborate. It was like clockwork. If you consider several hundred

:43:26.:43:30.

people turning up at once, how we managed to organise ourselves is

:43:31.:43:36.

what saved lives, in my opinion. It was something I have ever seen. I

:43:37.:43:41.

have been a doctor for 20 years. It was incredible however one got to

:43:42.:43:47.

work. We had surgeons crisscrossing across the city. The way we managed

:43:48.:43:55.

to communicate and collaborate is probably what saved lives and limbs.

:43:56.:44:04.

That is the first thing. He was a group effort. As a group, the

:44:05.:44:15.

hospital treated dozens of patients and everyone made a contribution.

:44:16.:44:28.

The second thing, when I think about it, is that there has been such a

:44:29.:44:31.

great focus on the surgeons, of course. But actually, when I look

:44:32.:44:42.

back at the first 24 hours, the cleaners, the domestic staff, the

:44:43.:44:47.

caterers, the porters, people on switchboard, our junior doctors, our

:44:48.:44:51.

managers, they all contributed to enable the whole system to work. So

:44:52.:44:56.

in fact, as a simple example, how cleaners had turned up in the middle

:44:57.:45:00.

of the night. They were cleaning cubicles in A like nobody's

:45:01.:45:06.

business. All of these factors, the porters taking patients, contributed

:45:07.:45:09.

to lives being saved. They need to be recognised, because they helped

:45:10.:45:11.

tremendously. A monumental team effort, thank you,

:45:12.:45:23.

I was just wondering Leanne if you had been able to keep in touch with

:45:24.:45:28.

the person you drove to hospital? Yes, we have gained a great

:45:29.:45:32.

friendship which will last for life, I went to see him at hospital on

:45:33.:45:37.

Thursday and he is making a great recovery. That is good to hear,

:45:38.:45:45.

thank you for talking to us. Still to come on the programme, the SNP

:45:46.:45:50.

launch their general election manifesto at 11am, we will look at

:45:51.:45:53.

some of the things which might be included.

:45:54.:45:56.

An investigation's started into the death of a zoo

:45:57.:45:58.

keeper who was killed by a tiger in Cambridgeshire.

:45:59.:46:00.

Rosa King - who was 33 - died when the animal got

:46:01.:46:03.

into an area where she was working at Hamerton Zoo Park.

:46:04.:46:07.

Rosa's mother - Andrea - has been paying tribute

:46:08.:46:10.

to her daughter, saying that she wouldn't have done

:46:11.:46:14.

any other job and it was what she had always loved.

:46:15.:46:17.

Rosa spoke to the BBC last year and was asked what she thought

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about the view that keeping animals in zoos was cruel.

:46:23.:46:33.

My personal opinion is that it is not.

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We do a lot of work for conservation, a lot of breeding

:46:38.:46:40.

to try and save the species, just like the Malayan tiger here.

:46:41.:46:43.

There's only about 300 left in the wild, and they're being poached.

:46:44.:46:46.

We can work on increasing the numbers.

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We can speak to the wildlife expert from the one show, there must be

:46:52.:47:01.

strict protocol for working with animals like these, tell us about

:47:02.:47:07.

the rules which would be in place? First foremast I do not work for the

:47:08.:47:15.

zoo community, and my condolences to the family. I know a lot of

:47:16.:47:22.

zookeepers and work in a lot of zoological communities around the

:47:23.:47:24.

world and I know they are an incredibly passionate bunch and are

:47:25.:47:29.

very knowledgeable and they are mad keen on their animals. Some of the

:47:30.:47:33.

most knowledgeable I have ever met or zookeepers. I have worked on

:47:34.:47:38.

transporting tigers as part of a number of stories, we did a story

:47:39.:47:45.

where we transported a tiger to a Yorkshire wildlife park and I saw

:47:46.:47:49.

their first-hand how incredibly big and ferocious these animals are.

:47:50.:47:56.

Also the very safe precautions they stab go through when working with

:47:57.:48:00.

Tigers. First and foremost, zookeepers have told me that

:48:01.:48:04.

actually the safest job in a zoo is frequently working with big cats

:48:05.:48:09.

because the golden rule is you never go in with them, you have no

:48:10.:48:13.

interactions with them whatsoever. When I have worked in any of the

:48:14.:48:18.

movement of big cats around various zoos around Britain there is a

:48:19.:48:23.

double gate policy, two locked gates between you and the animals and you

:48:24.:48:28.

can only open one gate when the other is closed. I would not like to

:48:29.:48:32.

speculate on what happened but normally they are very, very safe

:48:33.:48:37.

animals to work with because of the strict protocols. Can I ask you more

:48:38.:48:44.

broadly about keeping big cats, Tigers, in what will be to them a

:48:45.:48:49.

very confined space and the stress it may put them under? The tiger is

:48:50.:48:56.

endangered according to the criteria is of how endangered animal is,

:48:57.:49:03.

something like just under 4000 left and they only exist in about 6% of

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their original territory worldwide. But even no bar are only 4000 in the

:49:10.:49:15.

wild there are something like 13,000 in captivity which is astonishing

:49:16.:49:20.

and the vast majority are held in responsible locations where they

:49:21.:49:26.

have protocols in place. But sometimes there can be a huge number

:49:27.:49:31.

held by individuals in less than ideal situations. So there are a

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huge number in captivity and I would say the vast majority are incredibly

:49:36.:49:39.

well looked after but this is an animal that covers huge areas,

:49:40.:49:47.

effectively alone, Tigers are not sociable animals like lions. They

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will frequently have territory, so obviously keeping them, an animal

:49:56.:49:58.

which may be captive bred and may know nothing about living in the

:49:59.:50:05.

wild, in a small area, is potentially, to some people

:50:06.:50:08.

unnatural. I personally think that zoos do great jobs in terms of

:50:09.:50:13.

preservation but you must know what you are doing with the animal and

:50:14.:50:18.

understand its psychology and how to enrich its life. Stay with us, I am

:50:19.:50:26.

going to bring in Stephen, his sister was killed in a tiger attack

:50:27.:50:32.

at the zoo in Cumbria in 2013, thank you for talking to us. Hello. I

:50:33.:50:38.

wonder how you respond to the death of Rosa King? I know what her family

:50:39.:50:49.

is going through right now. It's a rare, unusual situation to lose your

:50:50.:50:52.

life in and because of that it will be all over the news, as we are

:50:53.:51:00.

right now. My thoughts go out to the family, absolutely. Can you remind

:51:01.:51:05.

our audience what happened to your sister? She was in the tiger

:51:06.:51:09.

enclosure for her regular maintenance as part of her job and a

:51:10.:51:14.

system of doors that was supposed to keep the animal separate from her

:51:15.:51:18.

when she was in there did not work, was not maintained properly. It got

:51:19.:51:26.

in there and she lost her life. We don't know what has happened at the

:51:27.:51:33.

Hammerton Park zoo in Cambridge, an investigation is ongoing, they have

:51:34.:51:36.

said in a statement it was a freak accident. Well, that's obviously

:51:37.:51:42.

something else I thought of when I heard the news, when Sarah did four

:51:43.:51:51.

years back, before any investigation the zoo came out and said it must

:51:52.:51:57.

have been her fault. So it's comforting in some ways to cure this

:51:58.:52:02.

zoo claiming it is an accident and sending their thoughts to the

:52:03.:52:05.

family, that is a big difference between this one and when Sarah

:52:06.:52:17.

died. In the end of the zoo in Cumbria was fined because it did not

:52:18.:52:22.

properly assess the risks of a defective bolt on a door? Yes they

:52:23.:52:28.

were found guilty in court despite them trying to put the blame on

:52:29.:52:32.

Sarah initially. It was legally deemed to be their fault. You have

:52:33.:52:43.

said you think zoos do an incredible job because some of these big cats

:52:44.:52:47.

are endangered species but I wonder what impact it does have an animal

:52:48.:52:55.

when it is in captivity? The fact of the matter is that a lot of

:52:56.:53:00.

organisations are trying to breed tigers, there is. Tigers may well

:53:01.:53:07.

be, zoos may well be the saviours of tigers if the habitat destruction

:53:08.:53:11.

and the poaching continues. There has been good news of tigers in the

:53:12.:53:15.

wild, in the last year or so the population in the wild seems to have

:53:16.:53:24.

slightly increased. I think the more zoos can do in terms of education,

:53:25.:53:29.

the days of taking a tiger from the wild and putting it into the zoo is

:53:30.:53:34.

long gone, these are all captive bred animals who have never known

:53:35.:53:38.

anything other than being in a captive location so I think they

:53:39.:53:41.

serve an enormously important function. I just hope there is not

:53:42.:53:45.

an immediate reaction and people realise this is a majestic wonderful

:53:46.:53:51.

animal worth conserving and worth visiting, if you are not lucky

:53:52.:53:59.

enough to go out to Russia or India to try and spot one of these animals

:54:00.:54:04.

in the wild. Thank you, I think we can talk to someone at the zoo with

:54:05.:54:09.

his family when it happened, Pete Davies, can you hear me? Hello.

:54:10.:54:15.

Thank you, tell us what happened from your point of view? We were on

:54:16.:54:22.

a normal family day out, first time visiting the zoo, got there at 10am

:54:23.:54:28.

when it opened and got around to the whole zoo, ending up at the tiger

:54:29.:54:35.

enclosure which was about ten past 11, there was a guy in front of us

:54:36.:54:40.

taking photographs all the way around, we were in one part where

:54:41.:54:44.

the lines were and he was in the park next to us and he came running

:54:45.:54:49.

past as fast as he could and we thought something was going on and

:54:50.:54:53.

he came back 30 seconds later with five, six zoo keepers. All of them

:54:54.:55:00.

running down. We heard a scream and then one of the zoo keepers shouted

:55:01.:55:12.

for us to run. We went to a small office, the whole family inside the

:55:13.:55:15.

office for about ten minutes with some other people, about eight of us

:55:16.:55:20.

altogether. We waited until it was clear to come out, they set tweet

:55:21.:55:28.

said come out, we were working our way up to the top and we were still

:55:29.:55:33.

watching what was going on, all the zoo keepers distressed, heads in

:55:34.:55:40.

their hands, a couple of them had buckets full of meat they were

:55:41.:55:45.

throwing over the enclosure. But yeah, we ended up just having to go,

:55:46.:55:51.

but that is bad for all the people that work there as well as the

:55:52.:55:55.

family because they are all young adults, or most of them are, and to

:55:56.:55:59.

witness something like that will live with them for a long time I

:56:00.:56:05.

would imagine. From what you have described, the initial feeling was

:56:06.:56:07.

potentially that there could have been a big cat that had escaped?

:56:08.:56:15.

Well when somebody tells you to run and you are at the end of a lion

:56:16.:56:19.

enclosure, tiger enclosure, you do what they say. But initially I did

:56:20.:56:23.

not think there was any animals outside. You just run and take cover

:56:24.:56:29.

and then gather your thoughts and then we realised nothing had

:56:30.:56:33.

escaped, it was all inside the enclosure. Yeah, initially, it is

:56:34.:56:41.

worrying when you hear that. Thank you very much. Pete Davies who was

:56:42.:56:49.

at the Hamerton Zoo Park when the attack happened. And thank you Mike,

:56:50.:56:58.

the wildlife expert from One Show. And thank you to Steve and his

:56:59.:57:01.

sister was killed at a tiger attack in a zoo in Cumbria in 2013. Coming

:57:02.:57:08.

up to 10am, the latest news and sport in a moment and the weather

:57:09.:57:11.

but before that thank you for your many messages about election blind

:57:12.:57:17.

dates. Barry says the best piece of coverage I have seen since the

:57:18.:57:21.

election was called, light-hearted fun, just what we need right now.

:57:22.:57:26.

Stevens says brilliant TV, more please. Chris says it is very

:57:27.:57:34.

enjoyable. John says it is funny, even when Nigel Farage is taking

:57:35.:57:39.

part, he comes across as smug, arrogant and vomit inducing. Another

:57:40.:57:45.

says something on the programme which makes Nigel Farage seem nice.

:57:46.:57:50.

Another saying the only problem was looking at and listening to Nigel

:57:51.:57:55.

Farage. Wayne said they were both incredibly charming and

:57:56.:57:59.

entertaining. Victoria a class act. I used to be a waitress in my

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teenage years at a restaurant in Rochdale so I have a lot of

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experience. Tomorrow find out what happened when Toff from Made In

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Chelsea met Jackman row. Time for the weather?

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A bit mild, lots of cloud around, the extent of the cloud on the

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satellite picture but also some breaks, in Worcestershire some

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sunshine, blue skies breaking through, I think the process will

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continue for many of us as we go to the afternoon, brighter skies and

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the odd shower here and there, particularly towards north-western

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parts of the UK. Cold front moving its way through Northern Ireland

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into Scotland, some fresher brighter conditions behind it, less humid

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than the last few days. Sunny spells in Northern Ireland. For Northern

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England shower is particularly across north-western part of

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England, towards the north-east something brighter, sunshine

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breaking through the cloud in central parts of Wales and inland

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parts of England. Temperatures getting up to 20, 21, maybe 22

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Celsius. Clear skies across the North will continue to spread south

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as it does so we will seek older air filtering across many Northern

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areas, comfortable night for sleeping, temperatures down to low

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single figures. Further south we will see mild air hanging on about

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13 or 14 degrees. Into Wednesday high-pressure starting to build from

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the south, as it does so it will settle down and saw a drier and

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brighter day for most of us, cloud towards south Wales and South West

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England, for most lots of sunshine during the afternoon and with it

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feeling quite pleasant with light winds, maximum temperatures up to

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18, 19 degrees, 20, 20 three degrees across the South. For Thursday

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driver most of England and Wales but for Scotland and Northern Ireland we

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have got more rain spreading, 17 Celsius, the breeze picking up,

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further south and east it will be drier with bright spells and again

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feeling quite warm, temperatures up to about 25 degrees.

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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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Our top story: Tributes are paid to Rosa Park,

:00:52.:00:53.

the zookeeper killed by a tiger yesterday.

:00:54.:00:55.

Her mother says she won't have done any other job.

:00:56.:01:03.

When someone says to you run and you're in the end of a lion or tiger

:01:04.:01:19.

enclosure, you do what they say. Heroes of the Manchester tireor

:01:20.:01:25.

attack tell us what they experienced.

:01:26.:01:27.

I was incredible really, how everyone got to work.

:01:28.:01:32.

And we'll be talking to Jonathan Trott about

:01:33.:01:36.

the highs and lows of life as an international cricketer.

:01:37.:01:46.

Now over to the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

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park in Cambridgeshire has been named as 33-year-old Rosa King.

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Hamerton Zoo Park in Cambridgeshire will remain closed

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while an investigation continues into the incident.

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Her family said she was dedicated to her job

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and wouldn't have done anything else.

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Manchester Victoria Station has reopened this morning

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after it was damaged in last week's bomb attack.

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Last night, hundreds of people gathered for a vigil

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at St Ann's Square to mark exactly one week since 22 people

:02:15.:02:17.

were killed by a suicide bomber at the Manchester Arena.

:02:18.:02:22.

With just over a week to go until the general election,

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the Conservatives are focusing on Brexit

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while Labour focus on childcare policies.

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Last night, the leaders of both parties faced questions

:02:30.:02:31.

Theresa May was questioned by Jeremy Paxman on her stance on Brexit.

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We gave people the choice Jeremy and the British

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people decided to leave the European Union and I

:02:47.:02:49.

think it's important for them to see their politicians

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delivering on that choice and respecting the will of the people.

:02:53.:02:56.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn was quizzed about his views on drone strikes,

:02:57.:02:59.

tax-raising plans and past campaigning in Northern Ireland.

:03:00.:03:02.

In a question and answer session with the studio audience,

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the Labour leader defended his stance on corporation tax.

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This country is badly divided between the richest and the poorest.

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You put corporate tax and tax at the top end down,

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Are you happy that so many of our children are going to school

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So many of our children are going to school hungry?

:03:25.:03:30.

British Airways says it will operate a full schedule at Heathrow and

:03:31.:03:33.

Gatwick today for the first time since the computer failure

:03:34.:03:36.

on Saturday disrupted flights around the world.

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The airline says its IT systems are now "back up and running"

:03:40.:03:42.

but "significant numbers" of passengers are still

:03:43.:03:44.

without their luggage which could take some time to sort out.

:03:45.:03:48.

Tiger Woods has denied he'd been drinking when he was stopped

:03:49.:03:51.

Police charged him with being under the influence -

:03:52.:03:55.

but the golfer has blamed an unexpected reaction

:03:56.:03:57.

Prince Harry will attend the launch of the UK's Invictus Games team

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and host his first Buckingham Palace garden party.

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The Prince will meet the 90-strong team, who will take on the challenge

:04:08.:04:10.

of the Paralympic-style competition at the Toronto Games in September.

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He's been the driving force behind the Invictus Games for injured,

:04:14.:04:19.

wounded and sick servicemen and women and veterans.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

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? More messages will election blind dates. "I'd never go to that

:04:31.:04:41.

restaurant. The waitresses are opinioniated. I'm afraid today's

:04:42.:04:46.

engineered meeting is a terrible mistake. It is not a joke and

:04:47.:04:51.

shouldn't be turned into one. Rachel Johnson says this is the man who rue

:04:52.:04:54.

independent the country. We can't make a pet of him while we watch the

:04:55.:04:59.

slow motion car crash which is Brexit. Rachel Johnson to Nigel

:05:00.:05:04.

Farage. Would you go to bed with a remainor. Jo says I'd like my

:05:05.:05:12.

licence fee back. I don't want that image in my head at 9.00am.

:05:13.:05:17.

Brilliant dinner date between Nigel Farage and Rachel Johnson. It's TV

:05:18.:05:22.

gold. Although apparentry I look like someone from hello hello which

:05:23.:05:26.

is true. You're right, James. Thank you for that tweet. Get in touch

:05:27.:05:28.

with us throughout the programme. and if you text, you will be charged

:05:29.:05:30.

at the standard network rate. GM manager David Wagner's described

:05:31.:05:35.

it as a fairytale as Huddersfield reach the top flight for the first

:05:36.:05:42.

time in 45 years. Liam Moore and Jordan Obita missed

:05:43.:05:45.

from the spot for Reading. But it was Christopher Schindler

:05:46.:05:49.

who scored the decisive penalty - sending Huddersfield to the Premier

:05:50.:05:51.

League for the first time. Their promotion is worth around

:05:52.:05:54.

?170 million to the club. This is a fairy tale which is

:05:55.:06:06.

usually not possible. But they've continue it. We are very, very

:06:07.:06:11.

happy. I'm one of the happiest man on this planet at the minute, I

:06:12.:06:15.

think. So proud for what the players have done. I'm happy for everybody

:06:16.:06:19.

who's connected and supported Huddersfield Town. Especially the

:06:20.:06:21.

chairman. We could find out later

:06:22.:06:23.

whether or not Arsene Wenger The board will be told a decision

:06:24.:06:25.

regarding his future - after missing out on the Champions

:06:26.:06:29.

League places for the first time in his 20 years as manager,

:06:30.:06:32.

but winning the FA Cup on Saturday. An announcement is expected

:06:33.:06:35.

from Arsenal later today. Britain's best hopes

:06:36.:06:41.

at the French Open Johanna Konta is playing Jeh Su-wei

:06:42.:06:43.

of Taiwan in their first round tie. Andy Murray meanwhile plays Andrey

:06:44.:06:49.

Kuznetsov hoping to improve his run on clay this season - he's lost

:06:50.:06:55.

as many matches as he's won. Although it's very frustrating, you

:06:56.:07:07.

have to try to enjoy this part of what we do as well. The struggles

:07:08.:07:18.

are part of what make the good times so enjoyable. I need to enjoy my

:07:19.:07:24.

struggle a little bit just now. That will help me get through it quicker,

:07:25.:07:26.

I believe. It's set to be an uphill struggle

:07:27.:07:27.

for Ben Ainslie and his crew - after Great Britain suffered

:07:28.:07:31.

a fourth consecutive defeat The team made an error around

:07:32.:07:34.

the third turn yesterday It means they're now

:07:35.:07:39.

third in the standings. They'll now take on the other five

:07:40.:07:42.

teams again over the next few days - They ground us down and got the win.

:07:43.:07:54.

We're clearly disappointed with that. We have to go away. Look at

:07:55.:07:59.

our development programme, our configuration for the coming days.

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And make improvements. That's the sport. I'll have the latest in

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around 30 minutes' time. The largest party in Scotland

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the SNP is launching its manifesto It includes a plan to invest

:08:11.:08:13.

an additional ?118 billion Nicola Sturgeon will also promise

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to give Scotland a strong voice Our reporter Jim Reed has

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been speaking to voters across the southern

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part of Scotland. We're expect that can launch about

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11.00. Nicola Sturgeon speaking live on the news channel at that time.

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You've touched on some of the things we're expecting to hear. A possible

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increase in the minimum wage. Focus on immigration. If you're wondering

:08:50.:08:54.

why this manifesto launch is coming so late, a week or so ahead of the

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vote, it was meant to take place last Tuesday. Got delayed because of

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those terror attacks in Manchester. Before that date, we spent some time

:09:04.:09:07.

in the southern part of Scotland really interesting area from a

:09:08.:09:10.

political point of view. There's three constituencies or seats there

:09:11.:09:13.

along the border with England in Scotland. Two of them held by the

:09:14.:09:18.

SNP. One by the Conservatives. All very close at the moment. Expect a

:09:19.:09:23.

big fight, tussle, this time round. We spent some time travelling

:09:24.:09:27.

through, speaking to voters. We finished in the very south-west of

:09:28.:09:31.

Scotland in Stranraer. We started further towards the east in the

:09:32.:09:35.

market town of Selkirk in the Scottish Borders.

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We've had five years of not knowing what's going to happen.

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We've have the independence of Scotland, we had Brexit.

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They're so busy ranting on about independence

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It's like they don't want to hear our words,

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it's like they don't want to hear what we have to say.

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A week after the general election, the tradesmen of Selkirk

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will perform at Common Riding, a tradition going back centuries

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In the recent independence referendum, this region voted

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Not everyone, though, is excited about yet

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If they would just tell you there's a general election,

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send you the pamphlets and stuff like that, let you get on with it.

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But it's on the television, every night and day after day,

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I'm interested, I must admit, much more so than normal.

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Purely because I'm very much Unionist rather than Independent,

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and therefore I think this is really important.

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So for you, it's about independence, this?

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It's an area that needs strong local people leading us,

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because we can often be forgotten about, in this neck of the woods.

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Everywhere you look here, you see signs of a rich past,

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giant mills that once drove a thriving textile industry.

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But most of those skilled jobs have gone, replaced by huge call centres.

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Work tends to be short-term, and just above the minimum wage.

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He welcomes the call centre jobs, but worries about the future.

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The disadvantages are that they aren't really permanent,

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they're mostly temporary, they don't really last that long.

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Do you sit there frustrated by that, or do you try to do

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How do you feel about the fact there is less opportunity

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Well, I can't really do anything about the less opportunities.

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All I can really do is have a voice, and my vote really matters.

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Alan is planning to vote for the Scottish National Party next week.

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I voted yes for independence last time, but the referendum isn't

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the main reason for me to vote for the SNP.

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I've got to know my MPs, and locally they are more

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And you don't feel the Conservatives,

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or the Liberal Democrats, or Labour can offer

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Well, Labour only mentioned their plan for Scotland in 115 words

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In fairness to Labour, it has now published a separate

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As for this region, there has been new investment.

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The train line to Edinburgh has reopened.

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But, at a drop-in centre for unemployed young people,

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there's a definite sense of being forgotten by the parties.

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The British elections, the general elections,

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it's like they don't want to hear our words,

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it's like they don't want to hear what we have to say.

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I don't think they are dealing with any of the sort

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You know, like lack of jobs, or anything like that.

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They're just focused on the big issues, like coming out

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It's been overshadowed a lot, and that's not so great.

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The SNP totally dominates Scottish politics at the moment,

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But in this part of the country, the southern part of Scotland,

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The Conservatives have been pushing an anti-independence message very,

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very hard, hoping to hang onto the one Scottish seat

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they currently hold, and maybe pick up a couple of seats

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We drive west to another constituency.

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Dumfries is still a busy market town, but like many high streets,

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We're here to meet two viewers who messaged the programme.

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First up, John Dowson, who's lived here for 30 years.

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He said he cal edge enned to us come to Dumfries.

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Dumfries is suffering from online shopping and supermarkets

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John is part of a community project to buy up disused shops

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For years a Labour supporter, he voted for Scottish independence,

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Brexit is crucial to him, so at 69 years old, he just

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might vote Conservative for the first time.

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I have a difficulty, because I'm tempted to vote Conservative.

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But, I want to vote for independence, that's

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But I don't want to see us gain independence as a Scottish country,

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to get freedom from Westminster, only to become

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So, which way are you thinking at the moment?

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That's between me and the ballot box!

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So, if you did vote Conservative, would this be the first time

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you would've voted Conservative in your life?

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If I do that, yes it would be, and it will be the same

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for many Labour voters, and many SNP voters.

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On the other side, Morag Paterson, who lives in the centre

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Jeremy Corbyn was undoubtedly attacked over

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I think he's stood up to all the criticism really well,

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with a lot of strength, a lot of integrity.

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I believe in what he stands for, and I like his style of politics.

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Here's where it gets complicated again.

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Morag is a strong Jeremy Corbyn supporter.

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She is on the fence on Scottish independence, and voted

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In this election, though, she says she is not voting Labour.

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I've voted for all the parties during my lifetime.

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Well, with the exception of the extreme right.

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But, this time round I'll be voting SNP, because I really

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do not want to see a Tory majority in Westminster.

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As a Jeremy Corbyn supporter, how do you feel about not voting

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I can't vote for him here, because it's a tight race

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I mean, if the polls change in the very close run-up,

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But, I am campaigning for the SNP and Labour using social media,

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because I think for England, Labour is a good answer.

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You know, in Scotland, it's a different situation.

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Dumfries and Galloway is the sixth-largest

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constituency in the whole UK, with a huge farming sector.

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Most voters live a decent drive from the towns.

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28-year-old Colin Ferguson is part of a farming family.

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This place, with around 350 dairy cattle, is

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In a second cow shed, week-old calves are being fed by hand.

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Colin voted to leave the EU last year, a step into the unknown,

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We've had five years of not knowing what's going to happen.

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We've had the independence in Scotland, we've had the Brexit,

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we've made all those decisions, what we need to do now

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So all this talk of a second referendum...

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It's the same as the Scottish independence referendum,

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Brexit, we decided to leave, accept it, move on.

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The longer we sit about not knowing where we're going to be

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in five years' time, the more businesses suffer,

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The farming community in Scotland was split on Brexit.

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Many others are worried about exports and how

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But, on this farm at least, Colin and his father are prepared

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to give the government the benefit of the doubt.

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Do you trust the people there at the moment,

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Theresa May and the government, to get these questions

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We'll tell you after they've done it.

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I don't trust the politicians, but they're there for a reason.

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Seats like this one are complex, so close, with so many unknowns.

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The result here will be watched very carefully,

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We can speak now to Stewart Hosie - the SNP's spokesperson

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on the economy - who joins us ahead of the manifesto launch from Perth.

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How do you view the prospect of a former SNP voters considering voting

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Conservative this time because they do not want a second referendum? I

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think the package you just had was fascinating, Labour voters talking

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about voting SNP tactically, other SNP people sticking with us, others

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concerned about independents or boarding to leave the EU, I think

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the package showed the complexity of real voters in real seats. The

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argument of what we all have to do is make a strong case which covers

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all of the issues. When I hear these things I am not dreadfully

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surprised. What I am confident about is what I am seeing in the polls

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which is ask somewhere around the mid-40s, people satisfied with the

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performance of the Scottish Government and after today's

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manifesto launch enthused about what we will bring to the table at

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Westminster. I wonder how many people are enthused about the fact

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that Scotland recorded its worst ever performance when it comes to

:19:29.:19:34.

education in an international survey last year following from 11th to

:19:35.:19:40.

23rd in Reading, 24th in maths and 19th in science under your party

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leadership? Kill obviously those are disappointing results but what you

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need to understand is that was a Sample survey, not the data for all

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peoples. When you look at pupils across the country you do not get

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the results you saw in that Sample survey, you get 83% or more on or

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above the required standard. Last but survey was disappointing and

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nobody will say it was not, when you look at the whole survey you get

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more accurate data. The waiting time is for hospital admissions have been

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repeatedly missed, what is going on there? There is record funding and

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given the cuts Scotland has had to suffer, about 2.9 billion, that is

:20:39.:20:44.

remarkable, more doctors and consultants and nurses across the

:20:45.:20:45.

piece. it's better than the rest of the UK.

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I have looked at the graphs, they are going down. As with every part

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of the UK there are always challenges when it comes to the

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health service. What I would say to viewers in Scotland, if you think

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the performance in Scotland is bad and it's the best in the UK, I would

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look at the privatised NHS South of the border and ask that you want the

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Scottish National Party pumping record amounts of money into the NHS

:21:31.:21:34.

to protect and preserve it or do you want

:21:35.:21:46.

to see a privatised under somebody like Jeremy Hunt? The answer would

:21:47.:21:50.

be a categorical support for the SNP support. You want control of

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immigration, you want that sector devolved, explain why? Scotland is

:21:53.:21:55.

not full up, our population has risen but we are not full, we need

:21:56.:22:00.

more people to come and grow our economy. The argument about

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immigration in Scotland is different to the argument against immigration

:22:06.:22:09.

south of the border. There is an acceptance by all parties that

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managed immigration, bringing in skilled workers is a good thing for

:22:13.:22:17.

the economy. We want to control that, it is not good enough for

:22:18.:22:22.

Tories to suddenly say Scotland is an unattractive place, bring in more

:22:23.:22:27.

people, by denying us the right to control our own immigration policy,

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it is bonkers. It should be controlled in Scotland to meet

:22:32.:22:35.

Scottish needs. Do you have a target of how many more emigrants you want

:22:36.:22:39.

in Scotland or is it to do with the needs of the economy? You managed

:22:40.:22:45.

immigration on the needs of the economy. The Tories have got it

:22:46.:22:52.

wrong with net figures, you cannot set a target because you don't know

:22:53.:22:56.

how many people believe, you don't know how many pensioners in the

:22:57.:22:59.

south of England might go and live in Spain for example. That impacts

:23:00.:23:05.

your net migration figures, these targets are bonkers which is why

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George Osborne disagreed so profoundly with weak and wobbly

:23:09.:23:16.

Theresa May. Thank you very much, Nicola Sturgeon will be live on the

:23:17.:23:20.

news channel launching her election manifesto, the SNP leader, you can

:23:21.:23:25.

see that at 11am on the BBC News Channel.

:23:26.:23:32.

a dishevelled Tiger Woods, bleary-eyed and unshaven -

:23:33.:23:38.

a picture that will no doubt haunt him for years to come.

:23:39.:23:40.

It was taken after his arrest for driving under the influence.

:23:41.:23:43.

Tiger Woods was one of the world's most successful golfers -

:23:44.:23:46.

he totally dominated the sport winning 14 championships

:23:47.:23:48.

and was the number one for eight of the years he played.

:23:49.:23:51.

But that all collapsed in 2009 when he revealed he had had multiple

:23:52.:23:54.

extra marital affairs and issued this public apology

:23:55.:23:56.

The issue involved here was my repeated irresponsible behaviour. I

:23:57.:24:13.

was unfaithful. I had a fair 's, I cheated. What I did is not

:24:14.:24:19.

acceptable. And I am the only person to blame. I stopped living by the

:24:20.:24:26.

core values that I was taught to believe in. I knew my actions were

:24:27.:24:31.

wrong but I convinced myself that normal rules did not apply. I never

:24:32.:24:39.

thought about who I was hurting. Instead I thought only about myself.

:24:40.:24:46.

I ran straight through the boundaries that a married couple

:24:47.:24:50.

should live by. I thought I could get away with whatever I wanted. I

:24:51.:24:55.

felt I had worked hard my entire life and deserved to enjoy all the

:24:56.:25:02.

temptations around me. I felt I was entitled. Thanks to money and fame I

:25:03.:25:10.

did not have far, I did not have to go far to find them. I was wrong, I

:25:11.:25:16.

was foolish. I don't get to play by different rules. The same boundaries

:25:17.:25:23.

that apply to everyone apply to me. I brought this shame on myself. I

:25:24.:25:31.

heard my wife, my kids, my mother, my wife's family, my friends, my

:25:32.:25:39.

foundation, and kids all around the world who admired me. I've had a lot

:25:40.:25:45.

of time to think about what I have done. My failures have made me look

:25:46.:25:55.

at myself in a way I never wanted to the fore. It's now up to me to make

:25:56.:26:03.

amends and that starts by never repeating the mistakes I've made.

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It's up to me to start living a life of integrity. I once heard, and I

:26:07.:26:15.

believe it's true, it's not what you achieve in life that matters. It's

:26:16.:26:19.

what you overcome. Achievements on the golf course are only part of

:26:20.:26:29.

setting an example. Character, and decency, are what really count.

:26:30.:26:32.

Now he's blamed his arrest in the early hours of Monday morning

:26:33.:26:45.

on an "unexpected reaction to prescribed medication" -

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We can speak now to Former Ryder Cup Captain Bernard Gallacher

:26:48.:26:51.

and David Alexander, a Sports Publicist who worked

:26:52.:26:53.

on a media campaign with Tiger Woods in 2006.

:26:54.:26:55.

Bernard Coll I hope you can hear me OK. I can, thank you,. What do you

:26:56.:27:06.

think of this? When he says it wasn't alcohol, I think we have to

:27:07.:27:10.

believe him. It was a prescription drug, probably painkillers for the

:27:11.:27:16.

back operations he has been having but at the same time, I did not like

:27:17.:27:20.

the look of his mugshot, must be one of the worst that has ever been

:27:21.:27:27.

taken and it has not done him any favours. I don't know how he gets

:27:28.:27:33.

out of this one. But I did not think he was a drinker, he has no

:27:34.:27:38.

reputation for being in a bar or drinking, this was definitely

:27:39.:27:41.

related to the painkilling prescription drugs he is on. Is this

:27:42.:27:49.

the end of his career? We're coming to the end of the Tiger's career

:27:50.:27:53.

whether we like it or not because he's just not fit enough to play the

:27:54.:27:58.

modern game. He had a very athletic golf swing, hit the ball for miles,

:27:59.:28:03.

every part of his game was good. Golf is a twisting rotary type of

:28:04.:28:09.

action and anyone who has this sustained period of back problems

:28:10.:28:13.

and back operations, it's difficult to see him coming back to anywhere

:28:14.:28:17.

near the level he was before. But saying that, he is determined to

:28:18.:28:23.

come back in some sort of way. But it will be in a very limited

:28:24.:28:30.

capacity. Let me bring in David Alexander, sports publicist, what

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advice would you be giving him right now? First of all I think it's

:28:35.:28:37.

surprising he has not put his statement out on all this social

:28:38.:28:42.

media channels, if you look on his website there is no statement. He

:28:43.:28:46.

just gave the statement to USA Today and allowed them to share it with

:28:47.:28:51.

other people. My advice to him would be to talk directly to his fans,

:28:52.:28:55.

because they are the people who at the end of the day are helping hand

:28:56.:28:59.

make as much money as he has even when his career has been slipping.

:29:00.:29:05.

He made $45 million last year which pits in the top 15 in the world. He

:29:06.:29:09.

needs to talk to them directly and not just through one journalist

:29:10.:29:15.

issuing a statement. Do you feel sorry for him? I do not, I think

:29:16.:29:20.

there was an image of Tiger Woods as a robotic, superb golfer. He was the

:29:21.:29:26.

first African-American to break through in a predominantly white

:29:27.:29:31.

sport. Very successful. But we all never saw a sanitised version of him

:29:32.:29:35.

and when you build someone up to such a high degree they are always

:29:36.:29:38.

going to fall further and further and further. He has learnt a lesson

:29:39.:29:42.

already so far by putting out a statement straightaway which he did

:29:43.:29:45.

not do after the problems he suffered in 2009, it took him three

:29:46.:29:50.

months before we got the statement we just saw. But he has only to one

:29:51.:30:00.

journalist. Burner do you feel sorry for him? I do, in a way. Tiger Woods

:30:01.:30:07.

has been a great player, he's got to the very top in golf, all the

:30:08.:30:11.

prejudice in America which went with it. He's just been fantastic. But I

:30:12.:30:18.

agree with what Mr Alexander says, he has brought a lot of this on

:30:19.:30:23.

himself. But we all try to make allowances, I would like to see a

:30:24.:30:29.

great player like Tiger comeback. Golf, the great thing about golf is

:30:30.:30:34.

that golf seems to have got by without Tiger, there was a case not

:30:35.:30:40.

so long ago when he did give up for a file in 2009, TV ratings in

:30:41.:30:46.

America went to the floor when he left the sport and that seems to

:30:47.:30:49.

have recovered now so golf can live without him. But there is nothing I

:30:50.:30:54.

would like better than to see Tiger playing against a Rory McIlroy,

:30:55.:31:02.

Justin Johnson, Jordan Spieth, I would like to see him fighting

:31:03.:31:05.

against those type of players who have taken over his mantle since he

:31:06.:31:10.

dropped out of the game, that is what I would like. I wonder David

:31:11.:31:15.

Alexander as a sports publicist you might suggest he concentrates now on

:31:16.:31:17.

his golf foundation? If you look at his website it says

:31:18.:31:28.

redefining what it means to be a champion. It should be someone

:31:29.:31:32.

setting a great example. Over the last few years we've seen anything

:31:33.:31:38.

but the exemplary behaviour to young people and to inspire them. We also

:31:39.:31:44.

know top sports people, top actors, people are not perfect. Absolutely

:31:45.:31:53.

but you have to position yourself in a way that doesn't portray yourself

:31:54.:31:56.

as perfect which is what he was doing in his early days of success.

:31:57.:32:03.

When I worked with him in 2006, none of the publicists were allowed near

:32:04.:32:07.

him because he wanted to keep a close circle so people didn't really

:32:08.:32:11.

get to understand what the real person was. That's why his fall's

:32:12.:32:15.

been so pronounced. Thank you very much.

:32:16.:32:21.

Still to come. We'll talk to former England cricketer Jonathan Trott

:32:22.:32:29.

about his career highs and lows. And a former rugby league player about

:32:30.:32:34.

the use of painkillers in high impact sports. Some say they pose a

:32:35.:32:36.

bigger threat than doping. Our top story: Tributes

:32:37.:32:45.

are paid to Rosa Park, the zookeeper killed

:32:46.:32:55.

by a tiger yesterday. Her family said Le she was dedicated

:32:56.:33:05.

to her job and wouldn't have done anything else. The Conservatives are

:33:06.:33:13.

focusing on Brexit while Labour focus on childcare pom Sis. The

:33:14.:33:18.

leaders of both parties face questions in a live television

:33:19.:33:21.

broadcast. Theresa May was questioned by Jeremy Paxman with her

:33:22.:33:22.

stance on Brexit. We gave people the choice

:33:23.:33:26.

Jeremy and the British people decided to leave

:33:27.:33:30.

the European Union and I think it's important for them

:33:31.:33:33.

to see their politicians delivering on that choice and

:33:34.:33:35.

respecting the will of the people. Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn was quizzed

:33:36.:33:38.

about his views on drone strikes, tax-raising plans and past

:33:39.:33:41.

campaigning in Northern Ireland. In a question and answer session

:33:42.:33:45.

with the studio audience, the Labour leader defended his

:33:46.:33:47.

stance on corporation tax. This country is badly divided

:33:48.:33:52.

between the richest and the poorest. You put corporate tax and tax

:33:53.:33:56.

at the top end down, Are you happy that so many of our

:33:57.:34:00.

children are going to school So many of our children

:34:01.:34:06.

are going to school hungry? British Airways says it will operate

:34:07.:34:12.

a full schedule at Heathrow and Gatwick today for the first time

:34:13.:34:15.

since the computer failure on Saturday disrupted flights around

:34:16.:34:18.

the world. The airline says its IT systems

:34:19.:34:20.

are now "back up and running" but "significant numbers"

:34:21.:34:23.

of passengers are still without their luggage which could

:34:24.:34:26.

take some time to sort out. Tiger Woods has denied he'd been

:34:27.:34:31.

drinking when he was stopped Police charged him with being

:34:32.:34:34.

under the influence - but the golfer has blamed

:34:35.:34:38.

an unexpected reaction Prince Harry will attend the launch

:34:39.:34:40.

of the UK's Invictus Games team and host his first

:34:41.:34:47.

Buckingham Palace garden party. The Prince will meet the 90-strong

:34:48.:34:50.

team, who will take on the challenge of the Paralympic-style competition

:34:51.:34:54.

at the Toronto Games in September. He's been the driving force behind

:34:55.:34:56.

the Invictus Games for injured, wounded and sick servicemen

:34:57.:35:00.

and women and veterans. That's a summary of

:35:01.:35:04.

the latest BBC News. Andy Murray starts his

:35:05.:35:10.

French Open later. The world number one plays

:35:11.:35:16.

Russia's Andrey Kuznetsov. On Court now in Paris is British

:35:17.:35:20.

women's number one Johanna Konta She's already three-one up in the

:35:21.:35:23.

first set. A victory parade will take place

:35:24.:35:30.

in Huddersfield later for the town's football team, promoted

:35:31.:35:36.

to the Premier League They beat Reading in a dramatic

:35:37.:35:38.

penalty shoot out to win the Championship Playoff Final

:35:39.:35:42.

in a match worth at least In or out - Arsene Wenger's future

:35:43.:35:44.

could become clearer later. Following crucial talks with

:35:45.:35:50.

majority shareholder Stan Kroenke - Club directors are expected to find

:35:51.:35:55.

out whether he'll be Great Britain's sailors,

:35:56.:35:57.

led by Sir Ben Ainslie, need to come from behind

:35:58.:36:00.

in America's Cup qualifying. They're four down after losing

:36:01.:36:02.

against France and now take on the other five teams again

:36:03.:36:07.

over the next few days - England cricketer

:36:08.:36:10.

Jonathan Trott is here. He played professional cricket

:36:11.:36:25.

at the top for over 6 years - making over 3,800 runs -

:36:26.:36:28.

but through parts of his career he was also dealing with mental

:36:29.:36:31.

health challenges which saw him quit an Ashes tour early

:36:32.:36:34.

as a result of stress. We'll talk to him properly

:36:35.:36:37.

in a moment - but first - some facts and figures

:36:38.:36:41.

behind his career. MUSIC: "Every Teardrop

:36:42.:36:46.

Is A Waterfall" by Coldplay. # I turn the music up

:36:47.:37:00.

I got my records on # I shut the world outside until the lights

:37:01.:37:10.

come on to my favourite song # And all

:37:11.:37:14.

the kids they dance All the kids, all night # Until Monday morning

:37:15.:37:26.

feels another life # I turn the music up I'm on a roll this time

:37:27.:37:29.

# And heaven is in sight...#. He's here. The paper back version of

:37:30.:38:00.

his autobiography Unguarded is out now. I'm going to start with the

:38:01.:38:06.

tour you left down under. Describe to our audience what was going on in

:38:07.:38:10.

your head when it came to you thinking about playing for England?

:38:11.:38:14.

It was more of a case of getting into cricket. It was actually the

:38:15.:38:18.

physical challenge of going to the match and playing. I wasn't quite

:38:19.:38:25.

sure what was going on. That was the most confusing thing. I'd wanted to

:38:26.:38:28.

be a cricketer since I was three years old. Suddenly, I was having

:38:29.:38:33.

all these feelings. Feeling almost frozen. Not sure how else to

:38:34.:38:37.

describe it. As a cricketer, a batsman, you need to move quickly. I

:38:38.:38:41.

was feeling I was slow. Other things were taking up my mind. I wasn't

:38:42.:38:46.

able to concentrate or think clearly acid autohe a done previously and

:38:47.:38:51.

successfully. You weren't sleeping the night before. Worried about

:38:52.:38:54.

bowlers running in at you. You were exhausted? Yeah, I think also, there

:38:55.:39:01.

were a few factors. I was perhaps putting a little bit too much on my

:39:02.:39:05.

plate. Trying to hard. Before, I really focussed on my preparation

:39:06.:39:09.

and let playing take care of itself. A little bit of an imbalance.

:39:10.:39:15.

Thoughts of wanting to be do too much. Be the best batsman. Before I

:39:16.:39:21.

focussed on other things. I was putting too much pressure on myself.

:39:22.:39:27.

Well heavy schedules, it took its toll. I wish I could have changed

:39:28.:39:31.

things or go back and do things differently. I certainly learnt from

:39:32.:39:37.

the experience. Comingings through that experience. Leaving that tour

:39:38.:39:42.

and fighting my a place back to the tour of the West Indies 18 months

:39:43.:39:46.

later, I'm very proud of that against all the odds. I'm proud of

:39:47.:39:51.

that, to give it another crack. The team had moved on. Different

:39:52.:39:55.

personnel. Others players had retired. My time as well had run

:39:56.:39:58.

playing international cricket. It was time to get out of the way for

:39:59.:40:03.

younger players we see being so successful today. You talk in the

:40:04.:40:07.

book about ringing your dad. It was really hard to say you were leaving

:40:08.:40:14.

that tour in Australia. A dad who had encouraged and supported you.

:40:15.:40:18.

And, also, made you butter through pressure, possibly, as you were

:40:19.:40:22.

growing up. You said you felt, it was the hardest phone call of your

:40:23.:40:27.

life, to ring him? Certainly. My upbringing's slightly different. I

:40:28.:40:31.

had both very sporty parents. Weekend were spent on the side of a

:40:32.:40:36.

hockey or cricket field. My mother was an international softball

:40:37.:40:40.

player. I was either on the side of a softball pitch or cricket field.

:40:41.:40:44.

They were both fantastic sports people. I luckily got a bit of

:40:45.:40:50.

talent and wanted to make the most of it and make them proud. To phone

:40:51.:40:55.

your dad who was with you every step of the way. You're leaving app Ashes

:40:56.:40:59.

tour, it is something very difficult. One of the hardest things

:41:00.:41:03.

I've ever had to do emotionally to do that and make the decision. I

:41:04.:41:07.

certainly stand by my decision to leave. I certainly felt like I

:41:08.:41:13.

wasn't helping the side in what was a difficult Ashes tour. The other

:41:14.:41:17.

thing which was hard to take was to lose the series as hard as the team

:41:18.:41:22.

did. I'd been lucky enough to be around for successful times. But it

:41:23.:41:25.

is important to be there when the times are tough and you want to help

:41:26.:41:29.

them out of a sticky situation. What would have been the impact on you if

:41:30.:41:34.

you'd stayed? I couldn't have helped but I wish I had been there trying

:41:35.:41:42.

to be able to help. When eventually, the initial England statement was

:41:43.:41:46.

stress related to illness. Later, you gave a statement. People were

:41:47.:41:50.

talking about it and didn't really know. In the interview you talked

:41:51.:41:56.

about burn-out which led former England captain Michael Vaughan to

:41:57.:42:00.

suggest he'd felt he was conneds by the initial statement. How did you

:42:01.:42:07.

react to that? As soon as any ex-cricketer or ex-England captain

:42:08.:42:11.

questions you or your thoughts or how you go about your business

:42:12.:42:14.

playing for England and feeling conned, that's quite hurtful.

:42:15.:42:18.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. The occasion was, the

:42:19.:42:25.

problem was, when I left the tour, we weren't quite sure what was wrong

:42:26.:42:31.

with with me. He said, I'd sign you off for a couple of weeks normally.

:42:32.:42:37.

But on an Ashes tour, doesn't work like that. With help through the ECB

:42:38.:42:45.

I saw a psychologist. After six weeks I woke up feeling better and

:42:46.:42:49.

wanted to play cricket again. I wasn't back in that pressure cooker

:42:50.:42:53.

situation. Speaking to the psychologist, they were saying,

:42:54.:42:58.

typical symptoms of burn-out. I hadn't been put back into that

:42:59.:43:02.

pressure situation. We did the documentary. Went and play another

:43:03.:43:07.

game of the cricket and felt the same. By then it was too late to

:43:08.:43:11.

stop that documentary being aired. I had to try again and sort myself. I

:43:12.:43:17.

played a few Games for Warwickshire. Had another break and Steve Peters

:43:18.:43:23.

helped me get back on the field. Psychiatrists who've helped various

:43:24.:43:26.

other sports people. I want to take you back to the controversy around

:43:27.:43:30.

that. Do you think you would have been better treated if you'd simply

:43:31.:43:36.

had depression? Do people understand depression more? I think nowadays,

:43:37.:43:40.

people are understanding it is quite a broad term. There are lots of

:43:41.:43:47.

things people suffer from. I haven't suffered from bee precious. I

:43:48.:43:50.

suffered anxiety. I was putting too much pressure on myself which caused

:43:51.:43:55.

me to freeze up a little bit. It is very new. I'd always gone out there

:43:56.:43:59.

to express myself and enjoy the situation. Preparing for the game.

:44:00.:44:04.

Letting cricket take care of had testify. Whatever happens, happens.

:44:05.:44:10.

For now, crossing the ropes has become more pressurised. The balance

:44:11.:44:13.

between the game, life and death, changed a bit. It wasn't a case of

:44:14.:44:20.

burn-out. I reeventually got round to getting myself right, playing

:44:21.:44:23.

cricket and enjoying it again. Are you? Absolutely. Very fortunate to

:44:24.:44:33.

be for booed by Warwickshire. I have guys around me who are true friends.

:44:34.:44:39.

Understand my game. Helped me get back to playing for Warwickshire.

:44:40.:44:43.

What did Steve Peters suggest to you in terms of the kind of tricks, if

:44:44.:44:49.

you like, you should do in order to get yourself comfortable around

:44:50.:44:52.

Edgbaston but without necessarily playing cricket? There are various

:44:53.:44:57.

steps. When I first sat down. It is surreal, you go there, know there

:44:58.:45:00.

are lots of other great sportsmen who've been to see him. You have a

:45:01.:45:07.

bit of trust and confidence. He said, I don't see a human, just a

:45:08.:45:12.

computer I need to fix. Speak to me and I'll see what we can do. I

:45:13.:45:19.

remember driving away from the Peak District, phoning my wife, this will

:45:20.:45:22.

be fine. I felt a lot more confident, raring to go and do work

:45:23.:45:27.

with him and try to get better. It was a case of starting in the second

:45:28.:45:33.

team at Warwickshire and learning to accept disappointment, getting out

:45:34.:45:37.

to 17 or 18-year-old try lists getting me out in the nets and being

:45:38.:45:42.

OK with that. Moving on, playing a second team game. Accepting failure.

:45:43.:45:47.

Earning my place back in the Warwickshire first side. Then, being

:45:48.:45:51.

OK with that. Moving on to the international stage again in 2015.

:45:52.:45:56.

It is a long process. But, something very valuable. I learnt a lot of

:45:57.:46:02.

things about myself. And that will certainly help me in today's career.

:46:03.:46:05.

At the end of my career. But going forward in life. Whatever the future

:46:06.:46:11.

holds. How old are you now? 36. How many century for Warwickshire this

:46:12.:46:14.

season so far? A few. Three or four, I think. So modest. How long will

:46:15.:46:22.

you play for? I don't know. Until they get rid of me! Thank you. We're

:46:23.:46:27.

going to talk about painkillers in sport next. There is a doctor

:46:28.:46:33.

suggesting actually you're injured, you have a back injury, you take a

:46:34.:46:37.

painkiller to get through a game. Long-term it can be really bad for

:46:38.:46:41.

your health but you can see why professional sports people use these

:46:42.:46:45.

painkillers. Are they an issue. Do you think physios abuse them to get

:46:46.:46:50.

a player on the pitch? You have to be careful you're not too reliant on

:46:51.:46:54.

them and they mask an injure ary which will do you long-term damage.

:46:55.:46:59.

I've been fortunate with injuries and niggles. I have taken a few to

:47:00.:47:04.

get through a stiff back or knee. You have to sort it out. You have to

:47:05.:47:07.

sort out what the real problem is. So, claims that the misuse

:47:08.:47:22.

and abuse of painkillers by athletes poses a bigger threat to

:47:23.:47:24.

sport than doping. Jiri Dvorak - FifA's former

:47:25.:47:26.

chief medical officer says use of these drugs has reached

:47:27.:47:28.

"epidemic" proportions. I spoke to him earlier

:47:29.:47:30.

and he told me the "abuse" is putting the long-term health

:47:31.:47:33.

of footballers in jeopardy. We have several studies which are

:47:34.:47:48.

indicating the long-term abuse of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory

:47:49.:47:56.

drugs, so-called painkillers, can have adverse effects, particularly

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increasing the risk of myocardial infarction is. So heart attack in

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later stages of life. It seems this risk is dose-related. You are saying

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it could lead to a heart attack in later life? This is correct. This is

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the most recent paper published on a large survey with close to 400,000

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people in Denmark. Players want to play, they have short careers. If

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pain relief can get them few a few games then they are going to take

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the painkillers. Yes, we know that and we have a clear indication that

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the use or I would even say the alarming abuse of those medications

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is almost the entire competition. Why is it abuse? Icy abuse because

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if there is the medical indication and it's not justified, we go from

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already used to abuse. Let's talk to Danny Sculthorpe -

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a former England and Wigan Following complications

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resulting from an injury picked up during training,

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he became addicted to And at the national sports centre

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in Lilleshall is Chris Tomlinson - a team physician with Wolves

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football club and chief medical Danny, tell our audience how you

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came to be addicted to painkillers? I got an infection after being in

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theatre, really bad infection called septicaemia and I put on massive

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amounts of morphine, all the strongest opiates for the pain.

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Massive amounts for a long time and I got addicted. Eventually that

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addiction got worse than the injury. The withdrawal of coming off all

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those strong drugs was horrendous. How do you respond to this warning

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from the former Chief Medical Officer of Fifa, that people using

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these painkillers could end up with long-term problems? Rugby league is

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trying to stop players using these strong painkillers. Paracetamol and

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anti-inflammatories are quite popular in the sport, a lot of

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players taking them before training and after training and sometimes,

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stuff like tramadol and stuff like that players are taking that to

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relax after training and abusing it in that way. Seriously? Yes, some

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players taking these tablets, tramadol and what have you, you

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cannot have a drink to relax after the game so they will take them to

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chill out and watch TV and try to help them sleep. Sleeping tablets

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and painkillers were a major problem when I was playing. I knew a lot of

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players addicted to sleep medication because they found it hard to sleep

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after big games. Chris Tomlinson, thank you for talking to us, the

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professor saying misuse of these painkillers could have potentially

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life-threatening effects, what do you think? I think it's interesting,

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we have to look at the potential long-term affects and that still

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slightly unknown. The study of anti-inflammatories suggesting the

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risk is current when you take anti-inflammatories but the

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long-term effects are not quite known. It is concerning because as

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UK sports doctors we work under a professional code, at the heart of

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that is doing no harm to your patience and that the patient is at

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the centre of any decision-making process. So when you are sharing a

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decision with a patient or athlete aiming to compete in a competition

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or a match at the weekend what you're trying to work out is what

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risk you are putting them under and that can be a short-term risk for an

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injury, could the injury be worse because you are masking pain? Or

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could it have longer term effects, for example cardiac problems later

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in life or arthritis later in life or further damage? Tell me if I am

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wrong, I imagine if I was a professional footballer I would say

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to you, look, as my position, I want to play on Saturday, I am not

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thinking about 20 years down the line. Yes and that is why

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decision-making becomes difficult. Again, there is a lot of pressure on

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professional footballers, playing twice a week for most of the season.

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If they do not play they have problems, they could be out of the

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first team for the next three months. They can be perceived as

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being weak by managers. They are keen to play, so my question is what

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is the underlying cause of the pain and are we doing harm by masking

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that, are we putting them at more danger by treating it or not

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treating it? Have you ever put pressure on a position to give you

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painkillers Danny so you can play in a game? Probably the foremost games.

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I remember when I was at Wigan I dropped some weights on my stern and

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cracked my sternum, for the next six months I was getting local

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anaesthetic injections in my chest before every game because I did not

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want to let my family, my friends, my fans and my team down. You want

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to play every week as a young professional athlete and I would

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play no matter what. Thank you very much gentleman.

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And you can hear more - from Danny as well as former

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Rugby Union England international Lewis Moody - on the

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Gain Without Pain is on File on 4, on Radio 4, at 8pm.

:54:06.:54:16.

Thanks for all your messages saying how much you enjoyed

:54:17.:54:18.

Election Blind Dates - today it was the turn of leading

:54:19.:54:21.

Brexiteer Nigel Farage and journalist Rachel Johnson,

:54:22.:54:23.

Are you single, Nigel? That's a very good question, a lot of people

:54:24.:54:38.

asking that question. I am not very married at the moment. I am married.

:54:39.:54:46.

I know you are! It's good to get to know each other's status before

:54:47.:54:51.

embarking on this date. I think separated is my legal status. How do

:54:52.:54:57.

you feel about that? I don't think anything would have survived what

:54:58.:55:01.

I've been doing for the last five years Brackley. Not that I've been

:55:02.:55:05.

perfect, I am not, but it's been pretty awful. It's been pretty

:55:06.:55:13.

awful. Hellish. Are you talking about work and infidelity? I am

:55:14.:55:16.

talking about the nastiness and aggro that comes with it, that the

:55:17.:55:21.

whole hard left movement are now the remainders. That is not why your

:55:22.:55:29.

marriage broke down. The last time I went out with a family we were

:55:30.:55:33.

assaulted by 80 people. That is the last time we went out as a family.

:55:34.:55:40.

Do you have any security now? No help from the police, the state,

:55:41.:55:45.

nothing. You never go out. That is awful. Are you serious? I am dead

:55:46.:55:53.

serious. Shall we talk about something else? LAUGHTER

:55:54.:56:06.

Could you go to bed with a remainer? I am not going to answer that! Are

:56:07.:56:19.

you only attracted to Brexiters? That's a good question. He has no

:56:20.:56:33.

words. I must ask if the story about you meeting someone on a plane is

:56:34.:56:39.

true. You were snogging a page three model. Ludicrous, the whole thing,

:56:40.:56:46.

page three model would been OK. What was she doing in business class?

:56:47.:56:52.

That is a good question. Where you stitched up? What the episode shows

:56:53.:56:58.

me is you cannot trust anybody, you cannot talk to anybody. That is

:56:59.:57:05.

awful. I don't think you can trust random people. No. There I was

:57:06.:57:12.

sitting at the bar having dinner and someone comes and sits next to you

:57:13.:57:15.

and talks to you, what are you going to do? Snow car. Yes, well.

:57:16.:57:28.

If you want to watch the whole thing you can find it

:57:29.:57:31.

on our programme page - bbc.co.uk/victoria -

:57:32.:57:32.

there was plenty of politics chat in there as well.

:57:33.:57:35.

And tomorrow find out what happened when Toff from Made

:57:36.:57:37.

in Chelsea met austerity campaigner and cook Jack Monroe.

:57:38.:57:39.

Later in the week we'll bring you dates between Labour MP

:57:40.:57:42.

Jess Phillips and Conservative MP John Whittingdale, historian

:57:43.:57:44.

Mary Beard and Peter Stringfellow who runs a lapdancing club,

:57:45.:57:46.

Gina Miller who led the Brexit court case against the govt

:57:47.:57:49.

and Godfrey Bloom a former UKIP politician and SNP

:57:50.:57:51.

politician Tommy Sheppard and comedian Stuart Mitchell.

:57:52.:57:54.

All of your message is quite a lot of them seeing how much you loved

:57:55.:58:03.

it. Good to see humour and everything according to one, another

:58:04.:58:06.

saying they loved it, what we need to lighten up the selection. In

:58:07.:58:12.

today's increasingly aggressive dialogue it's good to see people

:58:13.:58:17.

exchanging different views and agreeing to disagree says another.

:58:18.:58:23.

Politics explained in English says Sarah, one of the many reasons I

:58:24.:58:27.

love your programme is that you explain politics in English. Thank

:58:28.:58:30.

you, more again tomorrow.

:58:31.:58:31.

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