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Good morning and welcome to Dunstable in Bedfordshire.

With just over a week to go till the general election,

we're here to look at some of the key issues that may influence

I'm very worried about security in the country and I don't trust any

Hello, I am Nasir, I'm a GP in Dunstable, and I'm very concerned

I am Helena from Luton, I run a small business.

I am absolutely fed up with the immature

It is undermining your credibility, please get on with your jobs.

Hi, I am Mark from Luton, I am worried about affordable

housing for local people and building on all

I'm not happy with the choices we have for next Prime Minister.

Jeremy Corbyn - weak leader, weak opposition.

Theresa May - maybe here, maybe there, maybe nowhere.

If she is not prepared to stand on a platform and take questions

from her peers and the audience, then she doesn't deserve our votes.

I have got a progressive option in Scotland.

We're live until 11am this morning with an audience of 120 people,

and live on stage at the Grove Theatre.

You can see the empty auditorium behind us.

We wanted to get everybody together so We've put everybody on stage.

It was 41 days ago that Theresa May surpriseD everyone by announcing

Campaigning was suspended last week, as you know, after Manchester's

devastating terrorist attack which killed 22 people.

Since then, security has dominated the agenda,

with Labour and the Conservatives at the weekend both

promising to bolster counterterrorism measures.

I want to get a snapshot view really from some of the voters here.

In light of what happened in Manchester one week

ago, is anybody going to change their vote?

My name is Charlie, I am from Luton, I run a

I have lived in England for 30 years and the last

Following the Manchester bombing and the subsequent talks between the

parties, I am looking at, I don't want to carry

bombing Middle Eastern countries and theN trying to defend ourselves

It is plainly not working and Jeremy Corbyn is

me that there could be another way and I'm interested in what Labour

I am Derek, on the basis of at least 10,000 new police officers, Jeremy

Corbyn has promised, but where is this money coming from?

Diane Abbott coming out with figures all over the place.

It is a good idea but are the figures going to change

Dominic Raab for the Conservatives, former Justice minister. Your Home

Secretary seem to suggest an interview yesterday that this

country would face greater risk of terrorist atrocity in Jeremy Corbyn

was Prime Minister. Do you agree with? I think that is true. Why?

There are a range of things that we said we would do. Increased

counterterrorism police, bring more than 200 into the

counterintelligence agency is a more vigorous pacing and monitoring of

the online space and also prosecuting UK-based Djabi is that

go out into the battlefield abroad. I think leadership matters and

bluntly as I can and this kind of the as I can, I do not think if you

compare the leadership Theresa May offers, five years as Home

Secretary, can the grass defence of our security with Jeremy Corbyn, who

has had a political lifetime supporting the IRA. In 2009 he

described Hezbollah members as his friends. I do not think a man who is

event of carers is the man to us against terrorists. Emily Thornberry

speaks for the Labour Party. He has been associated in the past but

Gerry Adams. That is a problem for his leadership, isn't it? Jeremy

Corbyn's approach is a clear one and that is that we need to talk to

people when possible. That is in order to find common ground in order

to try and find a way forward. Did you accept his associations... Do

you accept that his past associations means that he had a

problem when it comes to national security? I think for fair minded

people that is not true. People know that he was representing a community

that had a very high proportion of Irish people. Within the 1980s

something had to be done and he was involved in trying to bring people

to the table. Look what happened, we got the Good Friday Agreement. Daesh

is just a death cult. There is no negotiations with guys like that.

When you can find a common purpose, work with people and do not be

afraid. Ryan Evans. Community policing is important because those

policemen have to use to the ground and can build local community

relationships, they have the ear of the local people. -- Diane Evans.

Your policy of wanting to ban the Barker, does that help better

protect them? Not per se but it is about integration. The problem we

have at this debate is that politicians are trying to put

forward very simplistic solutions and none exist. This is something

that we have to tackle at the ground level and from a security

perspective and that the very least make sure that we keep our people

safe, we have to tackle it... As a gentleman said, integrating

communities better and I am pleased to hear you say that there were some

elements of the Muslim community that need to work harder at that. We

have to look at immigration as well because under the Labour government

we opened up the borders to people with diverse views. The bomb last

week was British, born in Manchester. He came here fleeing

Colonel Gaddafi. So we should have known that his offspring would have

ended up...? The NHS and social care is one of

the issues people most care about the of this election and the

political parties know that. We have all promised to various degrees of

extra funding. When your party was in government with the Conservatives

in 2010, you cut ?4.6 billion from social care. How much is that

contributed to the current crisis? Undoubtedly. The cuts in social care

which were started a number of years ago have contributed to the problems

we face today. The question is, what do we do about it? We have said that

we need to put a very specific proposal on tax that funds social

care and health and that is why we are saying there should be 1p on

income tax so that you ring fenced money going into health and social

care that is sustainable in the short-term, in other words, the next

a dedicated health and social care a dedicated health and social care

tax based on national insurance. Everybody is in, everybody benefits.

Love, yes or no, the Lib Dems are proposing 1p on income tax, would

Yes! Yes!

Dominic... You certainly cannot have a solution without money. There

might be other things you need to do but without doubt you need the

money. Dominic Raab, what about Theresa May's capitulation only

social care plan published in a manifesto which she changed a few

days later? I would not characterise that as capitulation. How would you

characterise it then? About dementia, we will ask millions more

over the age of 75. That is happening in the near future. If you

can afford to contribute, that is an important principle. There are two

safeguards, they cannot have those assets come down A-level where you

cannot get ?100,000 to your family. The second safeguard is a cap on...

That is what I am asking you. We have said that we will consult on

that and the reason is that someone always pays for this. And when

people say the state should step in, it is taxpayers who will receive an

increase in income tax. I do not think that the Lib Dem plan is

liable but I respect that they are trying to tackle it. We are the only

ones who have set out a credible financial solvent way of dealing

with this issue. Emily has spent her whole response to the gentleman's

question not setting up the position of the Labour Party. We are the ones

with the costed manifesto, you do not have that. You have no costings

in your manifesto at all. Where is the ?8 billion that you claim you

are going to put into the NHS? You have not even tried. Let us deal

with what the IFS has said. We were the ?8 billion come from for the

NHS? We will have real term increases each year, rising to eight

billion and the last year. Where will that come from? The whole thing

is... I will come back to you, Emily. We have set out a range of

tough decisions and that is why we are getting stick about this Winter

Fuel Allowance. That will pay for the ?8 billion? You look at the

packages on the round. I would expect that overall you have a

sensible package on the finances. We are trying to ease the burden on

families. So some savings from the Winter Fuel Allowance. I am giving

you an illustration of the difficult decisions like telling you that we

would not be subsidising free school lunches for well-off parents, we do

not think that is a great thing to do, we would rather the money went

into teaching and the NHS. We have made the difficult decisions. Does

that add up to ?8 billion? You must look at the savings in the round. We

are taking tough decisions like... Hang on, we mention the IFS, that is

the independent Institute for Fiscal Studies, they have suggested your

plans to raise something like ?49 billion in taxes, you have

miscalculated and if you think having worked it all out, it will be

something like ?41 billion, that is a big shortfall. When you promise

people buildings and tens of billions for the NHS and social

care, you will not be able to raise it. We have said that they are being

very pessimistic about this but we think that our measures will work

and we're happy to talk to the NHS about it. Within our manifesto there

was room as having underestimated the amount we have raised in taxes.

We are happy to talk to them and with our manifesto we would also

like the others for budget responsibility, a government body

and we said this about our previous manifesto and this one, they will

always be fights about this, let the OBR look at our manifesto. -- Office

for Budget Responsibility. It is given this as its job and we have

said we are happy to engage with the IFS or the OBR but that look at both

manifesto is let them see what they have. I am fuel from Aberdeen. I

have a disability activist primarily. There is all of this

talk, you are all talking about numbers and money and there is a

notion of suffering under the act. Oxford University just released

research saying that in 2015 alone in England and Wales alone, there

were 30,000 excess deaths caused by cuts to health and social care. Tens

of thousands of disabled and sick people are dying every year. We are

digging, there have been hundreds of suicides. I spent 48 hours after the

last general election trying to talk people out of killing themselves and

I did not always succeed. People are dying here. And nobody cares. Let

the Conservatives' Dominic Raab respond to that. There are plenty of

heartbreaking stories and no one could fail to be moved by that. We

have put 11,000 more doctors into the NHS, 12,000 more nurses. Hold

on. We have a renewed focus on mental health and also trying to

make sure we take the pressure off of big cost Little Stanney

manifesto. But the real truth is that the money must come from

somewhere and it is very easy... Let him respond. It is very easy and I

can think of lots of things that I would like to avoid making difficult

decisions on and on lots of errors by the NHS and schools where I would

like to put more money in but unless you have a strong economy creating

the revenue, it is a childless wish list. We have tried her best to get

the balance right between responsible public finances and

targeting those crucial errors that you have discussed. So you choose to

sacrifice tens of thousands of disabled people for the sake of

that. This is the second richest country and the world. There is a

choice that people make in Scotland, for example, we have a block grant

and they still manage to create a health service which functions. They

still managed to create a care service that functions. And you are

choosing to sacrifice others. Why would you scrap HS2 and give ?5

billion to the disabled instead? It will only benefit your rich friends

and help you get to read ten minutes quicker. This morning we have talked

about security, the NHS and social care. As you know, it is almost one

year since the UK voted to leave the EU. Setting up the chain of events

which have led to this general election. Talk about Brexit

dominated the early part of the campaign.

Let me ask all of you, we would you find the money to pay our Brexit

liabilities? Brexit costs the country, we will be poor as a

country every week and if we are left without a deal, it will be

catastrophic for some sectors of our economy. So, here, in this part of

the world, if we found ourselves without a deal and had tariffs on

all of the goods going back and forward, making those vehicles, the

impact would be disastrous. How would you pay our Brexit

liabilities? The Brexit liabilities compared to the overall cost of

Brexit are a relatively small part. I am just asking you where you would

get them for, had you can any thought into it? What we would like

to do is, we believe that the chance of getting a deal which is better

than our current position is as near to the role as makes no difference

and therefore the people should decide. OK, I understand, you will

not answer that question. Go ahead. If we get no Deal, we are back to

trading on world organisation terms and if you are talking about

tariffs, that is a windfall of ?12 billion to the Treasury. We are

quids in. You are assuming that it will collapse, even the Financial

Times this week has had to report that investment into the UK has not

fallen as a result of Brexit. This scaremongering must stop. People

voted and it is about time the Lib Dems got behind it. A ?12 billion

windfall to the Treasury, I am tell you. John, the SNP. I have spent

some time in Germany because I sit on the House of Commons Select

Committee and we are doing a report on Brexit. The things concerning the

German politicians is how chaotic the Conservative government

ministers here are in terms of preparation. David Davis turned up

to a House of Commons Select Committee and he said he had not

priced the cost of leaving for the UK. I think we're going to get a

tough Brexit deal, terrible for the UK and the reason that Theresa May

is holding this election now is because she wants to silence

opposition because she knows that when we know the details of Brexit

people will be furious. A quick word about immigration. Suzanne Evans,

pipe -- due to want to bring net migration down to zero over the next

five years, when one person need you will let one hand. That is not how

it works. It is about balanced immigration, zero net immigration to

give our country time to recover and our public services time to recover.

So over a period of five years, we have approximately the same number

of fee will be leaving the country and that is between about 250000 and

300,000 every year and the same coming in. We will still invite to

Britain around about 300,000 people each year and we will choose the

brightest and the best and the people but the skills that we need

and the people who will contribute to the economy and to look after

themselves. The kind of thing that Labour politician Frank Field has

spoken about four years. If Britain need surgeons, we will bring them

on. The problem that we have at the moment... You will not have to wait

for someone to emigrate before you allow a foreign surgeon in? It is

rolling over a five-year period. What about restaurant and bar staff?

What we have discovered... These are jobs that British people can do. Why

are they not doing them now? Because they are being undercut in terms of

wages. Excuse me, can I finish? In Scotland, we have a population that

is full of immigrants, we need immigration. Michael Gove said that

one of the advantages of Britain. Was that we would be able to set our

own immigration policy, not heard much about that since! The latest

net migration figures are 248,000, is that the right level for the Lib

Dems? It does not target the point, it is what the economy needs and the

economy needs doctors, nurses, people working in a horticultural

sector. Good morning, Whitehead. I am Mary Ann and retired and chief

childminder to the family. I just want to say, if things are improving

so much under the Tories, why are so many people using food banks? Go on,

Mark. Like you have said about food banks, also, like you said, you are

the main child carer. This is what people have to do. If it was not for

our parents, my children's grandparents, we would not be

surviving. If it was not for them, their help, you know, you look after

your kids kids, so you are looking after their grandchildren. So, you

know, this is the cost. Dominic Raab, people think that it is really

tough under the Conservatives. In terms of the food bank issue and I

have studied data from the Trussell Trust, what they find is that the

typical user is not someone by wishing in poverty at some of the

cash flow problem. No, it is true. That is what the Trussell Trust is

seeing and its data. The Trussell Trust would be outraged by you

telling us that. A lot of people on low and middle incomes are feeling

the pinch so we have taken 4 million of the lowest paid out of income tax

altogether. ?1000 each year they get altogether. ?1000 each year they get

more than 2010. And we are trying to get the economy that creates the

jobs and wages and make sure that people get more of the money. To

clarify, Dominic, you are telling the country here on this programme

that the Trussell Trust, who deal with poverty, called you personally

that the problem with food banks wasn't people who are on the bread

line and people who are having cash flow problems, I am dying to hear

from them when you have said that. What they do is keep data that the

update quarterly and annually on the update quarterly and annually on the

reason people are coming to their food banks and that is what was

said. People go to the banks because their salaries are not increasing,

people cannot save money, people are in crisis, people are on low wages,

people who are on benefits are having to use food banks. Did you

think anybody in this country should have to use a food bank. We are at

the sixth richest country in the world, it is an absolute disgrace!

disgrace. Emily Thornberry agrees disgrace. Emily Thornberry agrees

with you. But the IFS, we have quoted them a lot, they have pointed

out that if the Labour Party were to win this election, the poorest 30%

of household would suffer a significant hit to their incomes

because of cuts to benefits, many of which you are not promising to

reverse. We are going to raise the minimum wage to a proper living wage

so that those people. So that those people who are in work and getting

benefits as well. You going to reverse cuts to childcare? We have

got ?2 billion each year over a five-year period of the government.

I am trying to answer you, Victoria. I am giving you specific cuts that

the Tories are going to make and I am asking if you will reverse them?

We have to build in pounds set aside each year over a five-year period to

reform the benefit system and to make sure that we stop cuts like we

have talked about specifically, the Debian tax, the benefits cap and the

reason that we have set this money as it is because we need to look

again at the benefit system and the unfairness, the clear unfairness

that we have heard talked about today. Can introduce you, ladies and

gentlemen, can I introduce you to Helen Pankhurst, who is the great

grand daughter of Emmeline Pankhurst? And as you know, the

granddaughter of Sylvia Ankersen, leading lights of the British

suffragette movement. Hello. Thank you for this engaged discussion,

with interesting. There are many difficult issues and so emotive. The

solution is not to not vote. For all of the reasons that in some way I

represent with the positive response that you had which is an epitome of

why we need to have argued how difficult it has been to get your

and we are hoping that baton at the moment and we need to hand it onto

the next generation and we cannot just say it is too complicated, it

is too difficult, we will not it. As individuals, right now, it is a bit

like being in a jigsaw puzzle where everything has been strewn out there

and we are individual bits of that jigsaw puzzle and we either do not

form a collective, we do not form part of democracy or our little

colours and values all slot in and maybe we do not like the overall

picture, but our little voice in their is present and counted and

measured, so please, for the sake of the past, for the sake of the

present, for the sake of the future generations and for being part of

that collective, that one moment where we are asked to really be part

of our democracy, vote. Absolutely. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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much. Do give yourselves a round of applause. Thank you for your time

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